January 26, 2025 • 68 mins
TTATRM is back, baybeee! And what is there an endless sea of? “What Ifs” and that is exactly what we cover today are three random “What Ifs” that were very close to becoming realities. Did the world miss out on these, or did we all collectively dodge some bullets? We weigh in and give our thoughts, but so can you! Tell us what you think. Or just enjoy! But you have to enjoy. Chris says so.
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Hello film friends, friends of film and everyone in between. Welcome to the Film
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Folklore Podcast. I am Jed Props and I'm joined today by Justin Sound. Hello. And
Zoe Props. Hey. So Chris is not here, which is not a shock, and I'm gonna, well, I'm
gonna kick this off not with a rumor but an announcement. So basically we got two
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weeks in a row with announcements, big announcement, so we're gonna make a
change here at FFL and I'm just gonna rip the band-aid off. I don't know a really
great way to go about saying it, but Joe will no longer be with us. I mean he will
because we all work with each other and he will still be a guest from time to
time. He's still alive. Yeah, he is alive. Yeah, let's be clear. And he is our friend,
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but he's got too many commitments, blah blah, and it's just it's been a lot for
him. So we love you Joe, don't worry, and we are going to segue that with a new
co-host. Should I leave it a surprise? I could leave it a surprise. I don't know.
Yeah, let's leave it a surprise. We'll leave it a surprise. Here, I'll give a hint. We're really excited to have them
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back. So there you go. We narrowed the pool to 20-something people. Shitty hint. I mean I
agree. But yeah, so tune in next week to see or hear who that's gonna be, but
we're excited about that. And yeah, so that's that. And getting into today, well
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I guess, you know, real quickly, let's follow tradition first.
Zoe, where's Chris? Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris. He's taking grave digger shifts.
Zoe works nights and actual grave digging. Actual grave digging. To be clear. Yeah, not the cutesy
term of just working overnight. Actual grave digging. The irony is that here in
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New Orleans, we do above ground. Well, he's at the one lot that's underground. But maybe that's why Chris isn't very
good at the job because he keeps digging holes. What, you want me to dig up? You know a better way to dig up.
You let me know. Yeah, that all tracks. All right, so today we are returning to our segment
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Tea Time at the Rumor Mill and this is our first one for season two. We are excited. We're gonna get into
something a little fun that we can explore in other episodes as well. But essentially, cinematic sliding doors.
And what I mean by that is today I'm gonna have three fun what-if scenarios that are based on almost the
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ended up change. For better, for worse is for y'all to discuss. But essentially these are all things that
basically were in the process of happening at some stage of development or even shooting and then ultimately
they're not there in the final product. So everybody ready to get into this? Oh, I'm ready. Let's do it. All right.
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So we're gonna start off with classic movie. Has everyone here seen Titanic? You're familiar with Titanic?
I feel if there's a movie Zoe has seen it's Titanic. I've seen Titanic. Finally got one. The only movie I have seen.
This is on us. Because it's low on the historical. It's also basically three movies in one. That's true.
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Because she's watching in story date order. Yeah, you're still going in order. Idiots. How do y'all feel about Titanic?
Is that a beloved movie? You like it, dislike it? Yeah, let's say I do. Yes, I like the Titanic.
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There are things that I don't like about the Titanic. What's something you don't like about Titanic? It's long.
It's unnecessarily long. It is a very long movie. Also, this I mean, you know, the story. Why? Why?
Why didn't she talk about this guy for like 80 years? Why? Why did she take his last name and never mention a word of him?
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That's all fair point. She's the villain. I was also surprised that it wasn't about the iceberg so much.
No, not even a little bit. Because I was just going like, well, we kind of know how this movie ends.
And then seeing it, you're going, oh, it's a love story that tracks. That was before stadium seating.
I saw it in high school with a bunch of friends, guys and girls. We were in this big group and the only seats available.
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I was on the front row far left and it was not there was no intermission.
I mean, a movie, if a movie ever needed an intermission, it was Titanic. And even in like youthful good shape.
I remember leaving the theater like, ah, my neck, my neck.
And you've just been stuck in a position trying to watch a movie for so long.
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And I remember that more than the movie because it was so uncomfortable.
I remember it was a big hit at our church. A lot of Christian people were seeing it. Interesting.
Which I didn't really think. But that was like the movie that was being talked about in this church.
I didn't go see the theaters, but I remember my mom took my sister. I was pretty young.
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But I remember watching it eventually and being like, why? Yeah. Why was this?
It was a big and this was like a pretty it was a church, a Christiany ass church.
It was really big. It was big in the church for whatever reason. I don't know. I didn't really.
There's a lot of stuff in there that is not very churchy, as I recall.
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Not really nude painting, I believe. I mean, that's it, though.
That's literally it. Yeah. You know. Huh. OK.
Justin, you've seen Titanic, right? Sure. Yeah. Yeah.
On and off over the many years since it came out, I was never really super into it either, I think.
And so, you know, when it first came out, I think, you know, family was watching it on VHS, you know, at the house.
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And I probably walked in and, you know, saw that it was on, probably watched it for half hour or so
and then went off to do something else for a while and probably caught bits and pieces over the years
until I finally decided to sit down and watch. However long it is, five or six hours.
Yeah, you gave me very long. You gave me the image of like a dad that's that's finding excuses to be busy.
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So he just kind of keeps coming in out of the room.
And each time he walks by, he's like, still sinking, huh? All right. I forgot to go fix that line.
That whole movie is just sinking, you know.
But Leo does a good job. And was it Billy Zane? It's Zane.
You should listen to your friend Billy Zane. Yeah. Yeah. Billy Zane.
I mean, that's too later, but.
He's just dressed like the guy from Panic! at the Disco the entire movie. Why? Why? What is this?
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That's a funny reference.
So Titanic, which were by the way, we're going to eventually cover Titanic as a movie separately for Legendary Lore,
because there's plenty of things to talk about with Titanic, about the making of it.
But for today, we're going to segue into some almost that kind of happened in Tide to Titanic.
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Real quick, though, just to kind of get everybody's head wrapped around the scale of what it was at the time.
Justin, can you read that Collider little article snippet I put there? Sure.
The 1997 film Titanic cost 200 million dollars to produce, making it the most expensive film at the time.
This breaks down to over 100 million per minute of screen time.
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Titanic was a box office success, grossing over two billion dollars worldwide.
It was the highest grossing film in Paramount Pictures history until Top Gun Maverick,
which is pretty crazy that it was the new. Yeah, basically up until last year, essentially.
Good for Titanic. Go for Leo. Yeah, poor Leo.
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Go for Kate Winslet. Go for Kate Winslet. We'll have Kate Winslet.
Don't forget Cameron. You know, he's so humble.
Billy Zane. And Billy Zane.
Isn't Kathy Bates in that movie too? Sure. Why not?
Is she in Titanic? Does anybody remember that? Yeah, I think I feel like she is.
Well, all our listeners out there, let me know. I'm not going to look it up.
Was Jessica Tandy the older Kate Winslet or am I just remembering Fire Green Tomatoes because you said Kathy Bates?
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I think no. I think it's just some random old lady. I do not recognize that bride.
Well, they should have gotten Jessica Tandy. That's on them.
Yeah, no, they dug up a corpse for that one.
Anyway, too many tangents.
OK, so like true Hollywood fashion, this level of success of something that is a big success like this always comes with a lot of things like plagiarism, I suppose.
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And people are trying to capitalize on the, you know, ride the wave.
I was trying to I'm sure there's an official term for it that I just couldn't think of.
But essentially, a question to you all, what would you say or guess are the typical types of, say, plagiarism or capitalization of a project after a film or TV has success?
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Like, what would be in the sense of like like I'll give you an example, like a sequel is likely coming a lot of times when something is an unexpected success.
Then they go like, oh, how can we make a sequel to this movie now?
You know, it's that capitalizing on the term of documentaries or could that or just like I feel like sometimes I feel like every 10 to 12 years, all of a sudden, all films are like Greek God lore.
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You know what I mean? Like this, like, you know, like Troy 300, this kind of like, why are all the movies kind of just about this now?
Or a la War of the Worlds or zombies where all of a sudden there's like pirates.
Yeah, yeah. Just five movies out in a couple of years.
They're just like, why is this all the same movie?
Gosh, I was watching trailers the other day and two of the trailers were nerdy, unsuspecting dudes that were actually tough and saving something.
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I was like, who is this for? Like, just like scrawny nerds saving the day.
One of those gladiator to like, I don't know.
But no, no, you're you're absolutely right.
That counts as an example.
No, no, it does. And to your point, you see it a lot in TV world where you look at a show like ER was so successful that it spawned a million other medical dramas and things.
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You know, that that is to your point.
Yeah. And you get like lesser versions that you find on Hulu or Netflix that never made it to theaters. And it's like, why? Why does this movie exist?
Like we mentioned zombies or pirates.
Like you'll go through these kind of fad sort of things and people just kind of crop on the similar ideas.
But yeah, that's that's what I was looking for.
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You get copycats, you get rip off.
Sometimes people just want to merchandise the shit out of something to try to make profit of it.
You're kind of like I'm sure a lot of people listening have seen the Toys That Made Us, which is wonderful docu series on Netflix.
But they they talk about Star Wars toys and that and how it was so behind the eight ball in the beginning.
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They were just slow to make toys for it.
And that's how this small toy company Kenner.
Anyway, it's a great documentary.
You should go watch it. But there's always someone trying to make a buck off of that.
That whole thing. And to the point, the one thing that we have not talked about for a purpose is what we're going to talk about today, which is parody of a big success.
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So apparently and not shocking, Titanic had multiple parodies that came very close to being made.
There's two main ones we're going to talk about here, and one of them is called or was going to be called Gigantic.
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And the other one was a working title called Titanic 2 T O O colon.
It missed the iceberg.
I wish gigantic was colon too much Titanic.
In fact, Titanic 2 had another working title called Deep Titanic colon Armageddon.
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Now, what this kind of gets into, which will also sort of answer your question that you had, Zoe, very conveniently that because it ties in perfectly.
It's so the Titanic 2 was written by one of the screenwriters of The Naked Gun, a guy named Pat Proft.
And there were, of course, rumors that Leslie Nielsen and Priscilla Presley were both attached to do the project.
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Then what happens in a lot of these situations is competing studios will often race to beat the competitors to similar projects.
And an example of something I worked on, I worked on Olympus has Fallen, Jerry B.
Hell, yeah, I just watched that actually.
And the name of the game making that movie, they knew that there was a Jamie Foxx movie happening called White House Taken.
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And the name of the game was to get this movie out first.
That's that's what the ultimate goal was.
Just beat them to the box office.
And that is a tale as old as time that these studios will be racing each other to get theirs out first to capitalize on that thing.
And that's a little bit what was happening here.
And oh, you know, actually, real quick, I want to also mention optioning because that's something we haven't really talked about.
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Do you all know what optioning a script is?
You're all familiar with that.
A lot of times this is I don't know how much it's happens today with the streaming world and everything.
This is where like a producer would be a good person to ask.
But kind of in the pre streaming world, a lot of times studios would buy scripts with the intent to never actually make them.
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It would be to prevent someone else from making it sometimes, which is kind of a weird thing.
But there's a lot of writers out there in the world that have made a lot of money off of things not actually happening because you can have a screenplay.
Maybe like two hundred thousand dollars is the optioning fee.
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So that writer made two hundred thousand dollars for a script that will never see the light of day, which is kind of weird.
But they'll do it sometimes as a prevention.
Sometimes they'll do it because they just want to hold on to it because maybe they want to do something with it and they haven't made up their mind.
So that's called optioning a script is basically they're paying for those rights to hold on to that thing.
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But I just thought I'd mention that since we're talking about studio competition.
So anywho's this situation was very much in the vein of what we're talking about, where you have competing studios.
So while Titanic to colon it missed the iceberg was likely of the Zucker Brothers Abrams camp,
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that's the people that did airplane naked gun mafia top secret and pretty much every other slapstick I liked.
Then not shockingly gigantic was co-written by writer Mike Bender, who was a co-writer for Not Another Teen movie,
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which same people that did scary movie and that whole series.
So you can see where these two kind of comedy camps are sort of competing to get theirs out first.
And the likely death nail for the projects was too much time had passed from concept to development to trying to get them off the ground.
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And neither project would have been ready until around 99 or 2000.
So you're starting to get pretty far removed from Titanic.
So you're kind of window to ride the wave or at least back when they cared because I mean, God,
since then we've seen what dumb or dumb and dumber or I think was made like what 15 years after the original movie, if not longer, maybe 20 years.
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I mean, now it seems like they don't care anymore.
But there was a time that you're like, when does close?
So I think that's what this was.
I don't know, though, it kind of doesn't matter.
Sometimes we when movies are big enough, it's like especially for this one.
Right. Because it really didn't lose momentum until a few years ago.
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I guess the idea you think about what was the one that parodied 300 Meet the Spartans, Meet the Spartans, which I think was done in Louisiana.
At least part of it was.
But that's that I think that's kind of how they felt about this, where you think about that movie, which I haven't actually seen Meet the Spartans.
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But I remember the trailer where he's the Jerry B, not Jerry B guys kicking multiple people down the hole that keeps getting more and more exaggerated.
It's probably the funniest in the movie. That's why they showed it.
I've never seen it. That's good. Exactly. That's good comedy right there.
So I think something maybe along those lines where that came out pretty quickly after 300.
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So they felt like it's still fresh enough because it's such a specific schtick type thing versus like maybe The Naked Gun, which is more timeless because it's just a cop general spoof.
That's just me speculating. Any producers or experts can feel free to email us, contact us and tell us where I'm wrong.
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But I'm trying to look up because I will admit that I first found this in a Reddit thread.
And I was like, well, I don't know if I can talk about if it's in a Reddit thread.
But I did manage to find an Entertainment Weekly from 1998 that is actually talking about all this.
And Zoe, if you would, this is the part of the article that's relevant for what we're talking about.
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All right. Just that when he thought it was safe to go back on the cruise ship, along comes Titanic, the spoofs.
No less than three takeoffs on the biggest box office boat of all time are getting the thumbs up.
And in one case, many thumbs up Titanic to to spell T.O.O. by the way, it missed the iceberg stars parody paragon's.
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How's that word? Leslie Nielsen and Priscilla Presley, whose sorry ass ship bypasses the iceberg only to ram into other hazards.
The 25 million project is written and directed by Naked Gun and Hotshots writers at Pat Prof.
Gigantic tells the tale of a Titanic's slightly shorter by two inches sister ship, which gets no publicity when it bashes into a wimpy coral reef on its maiden voyage.
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Mike Bender, 22, and his brother, Chris, 27, wrote the film for New Line.
Hands down, though, the weirdest and most buzzed about Titanic spoof is thumb Tannic from director Steve Odeckirk, Ace Ventura, When Nature Calls.
Set to wrap by year's end, the 22 and a half minute film.
OK, it's not bad.
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Most likely direct to video recreates the nautical disaster with a cast of human thumbs.
Why? Odeckirk's thumb plays a Leonardo DiCaprio like role.
The other thumbs are unknowns, but the director still hands it to them.
The performances are incredible.
The effects. You won't believe it.
Odeckirk insists the thumbs faces look just like real faces.
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Yeah, but those fingers will have to be triple jointed if any of the Titanic spoofs are going to float.
The summer's gag fest mafia godfathers send up and wrongfully accused a fugitive spoof were laughed out of theaters, earning 19.9 million and 9.6 million.
I'd watch a fugitive spoof.
Respectively, Odeckirk thinks spoofs work if you offer the public something they haven't seen before.
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Producer Hal Liberman, who's making the mockumentary New Jersey Turnpikes, agrees, adding that each parody should be judged on a case by case basis.
After seeing what happened to this summer, the public seems to be saying, I've had my fill of parodies.
Looks like our idea of pie Tannic about a ship of doomed math wizards is dead in the water.
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So a lot there.
I want to see Titanic to miss the iceberg.
Titanic to sounds amazing.
I love the idea that they miss the storied iceberg, but then the whole movie is them hitting other hazards.
It's so stupid.
And Zoe, I have seen wrongfully accused once.
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I saw it in the theater.
I do not remember it being good.
Leslie Nielsen is the main guy.
I mean, probably not.
I just love the fugitive no matter.
I wouldn't. I know.
Maybe I wouldn't like it.
I like the fugitive too much.
I remember it being because Leslie Nielsen kind of had I don't want to call it a downfall.
That's not the right term.
But he did a series of comedies that were definitely past the prime where like they weren't they weren't solid scripts.
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They weren't they were.
You know, and that was in that vein.
He also he had a spy one that I can't remember the name that was really bad.
Dracula Dead and Loving It was in that time period, which wasn't great.
That might be Mel Brooks weakest.
Yeah, I mean, there's a reason why comedy is not come back in a big, big way and is now just masked by drama and other things.
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Comedy is not back.
Yeah, comedy is dead.
We need to bring slapstick back.
It's time for a turn to slapstick.
But yeah, the thumb stuff was also a thing for excuse me, a hot minute.
The thumb thing is hilarious.
That guy knows what he's doing.
That is fucking hilarious.
I never realized that he's he was the Ace Ventura guy.
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So he went on from an Ace Ventura thing to a thumb thing.
That's great and weird.
And I get that.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
And then gigantic.
What was it?
It's it's two inches shorter than the other ship and it hits a lackluster coral reef instead.
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I mean, that sounds funny, too.
I would I would I would maybe give that a watch of these three and Justin, that might have been your official vote.
I don't know. But of these three, what do you think sounds the most interesting that you would want to watch?
Oh, Titanic 2. I want to see what else it hits.
Right. Besides the iceberg.
Plus, it's Liz and Nielsen and and it's Zucker Brothers.
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So you know that each Zucker Brothers were very good at anything in a series getting comically bigger.
You know, if you think of an airplane, the good example is, you know, it starts with looks like I picked the wrong way to quit smoking.
I picked the wrong way to quit smoking cigarettes.
And then by the end, it's like, looks like I picked the wrong way to quit sniffing glue.
He's like upside down on the ceiling.
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They're very good at that kind of escalation.
And I would imagine that the items that it hits would be increasingly absurd.
Yeah, it's perfect. Yeah, it is perfect for that.
Bummer that it was not because it I mean, according to this Entertainment Weekly article, it sounds like they they were all green light ready to go.
I mean, they're reporting it as if it's ready to hit production. So it sounds like it got very close.
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All right. Anything else about Titanic or there there?
We did giggle, but it is a pretty bad joke.
They're Titanic. I like that one.
Yeah. Math wizards.
That's hilarious. I want Titanic to also be the thumb movie.
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So they're thumb math wizards. I'd watch that.
I don't know. Is it is it three point one four miles long?
Yeah. Sure. Why not? Yeah.
Three point one four years. I don't know.
All right. So twenty one.
The next thing that we have that we're going to cover today is we're going to get into the Jurassic Universe.
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Are you all fans of the Jurassic Park franchise?
Yeah. Big time. Well, no, the first one.
Not the franchise. Just the first one. Just the first one.
Yeah. It's hard to beat the second one.
The third one. If you got it, if you got it.
But no, right. The third one is the third one.
The third one that drinks his pee.
I remember the pee drinking.
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That was maybe the fourth one. Jeff Goldblum.
The third one. Are you sure it wasn't a porn parody? It might have been the fourth one. I don't know. This kid. It's a kid.
He's pee. Jurassic piss.
He ends up stuck on this island. I think they're parasailing through.
His maybe dad dies or something.
And he ends up stuck.
And I remember, I don't know, or maybe he pees and jars and the dinosaurs don't like.
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I remember there being pee in it. I don't know.
Nobody. Maybe I need to go back and watch that.
You could be right. It's before all that. It was definitely before all the Chris Pratt stuff.
We're talking about Lost World. Yeah.
No, there's Jurassic Park 1, 2, with Jeff Goldblum still in it.
There's a third one that I don't remember. And I think maybe a fourth one where there's a kid in pee.
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The fourth one. Well, the fourth one is Jurassic World.
That's getting into the Pratt, the newer stuff.
OK, so then the third one. Yeah. The third one.
Yeah, it's all before Chris Pratt.
Macy is the dad and they're going to look for their son. That's the third one.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that one. OK. I don't hate that one.
And the son is pissing a lot, apparently. Yeah.
I don't know. I just remember there being a pee thing in it.
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And I was confused as a child. And then I watched it as I was older.
I was like, oh, I get it now. He didn't drink the pee.
He just peed in these jars. That was like a deterrent for the dinosaurs.
They don't like pee. I don't know.
But before, four was the Lost World.
And that's when I get into Chris Pratt just yet.
That was the first Lost World where it was like not to be confused with Jurassic World.
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Right. Correct. Yeah.
So because what this is calling Jurassic Park for is calling it Jurassic World.
But it's not Jurassic Park for us, really. Jurassic World.
But I'm so confused. I don't know anymore.
But you just brought up a good point because what we're about to say is that where this information came out was back around 2002 and 2003.
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So that actually would have been in the Lost World time period, wouldn't it?
Yeah. Yeah.
It could have been an article mistake because this is a combination of a few different articles.
But it specifically did say Jurassic Park for, aka Jurassic World.
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So we're going to say it's Lost World because that is going to, I think, make more sense with what we're about to say.
Lost World is the second one with Jeff Goldblum, right?
Well, now I'm confused. This is saying Jurassic Park for is Chris Pratt. I don't know what the fuck.
OK. So we'll just say, are we talking about Chris Pratt here?
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I thought we were talking about Pratt, Pratt, Pratt, Pratt, which I think is his Instagram.
But I thought we were talking about Pratt. But it's just when you said that, I was like, well, this information is from 2002, 2003.
However, it's concept related. So things can be in development for years.
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So it's possible that this is the very beginning of what became Chris Pratt, Jurassic World, which was far later.
So, I mean, roughly a decade. But anyway, we'll get into it.
Let's chat about it.
So, and you know what? Write us and tell us what we're wrong. Sure.
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So in the original script and concept for Jurassic Park for a.k.a.
Jurassic World, as this says, was that it was originally written to have human dinosaur hybrids in it.
Because as we know, the Jurassic series is all about bad science decision making.
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And and there is also a human death toll that never fully gets brought out in this world.
But I've always thought about like, hey, you remember when my cousin took his family to that island?
They never came back. Did you notice that?
I just realized my cousin and his family never came back. Do you think they stayed over there?
That's kind of weird. Anyway, you know, it's like, how do you keep that under wraps?
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Wait for the first one?
Well, I'm saying once you get to like Jurassic World where they open the park, you know, people are getting like there are pterodactyls picking up people and I'm pretty sure killing them.
They got to sign stuff before they go to that park. You know what I mean?
Like they're risking their lives.
Lloyds of London would not ensure this. I mean, there is anyway.
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So they're always tampering with science and nature and everything.
It's not shocking that they were looking at a human dinosaur hybrid type idea.
DNA strand and all that. Sure.
Even though I'm not a science nor doctor, I'm pretty sure that's impossible. But whatever.
If y'all were to guess what three dinosaurs they specifically were focusing on story wise to make into the hybrids, which three dinosaurs would you choose?
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The Laceraturs for sure. That's definitely one.
The flying ones, right? Yeah. No, no, no, no. The smaller killing.
Oh yeah. Classic. The raptor. The classic raptor. Tapping on the door and fucking with those kids. Yeah.
Going with that theme, then you would also need to have the most famous dinosaur of all.
The big one. T-Rex. T-Rex. There you go. T-Rex. T-Rex. There you go.
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And then I'll give you all the third one because it's too much to guess, but Triceratops was the third one. The flying one.
No, no, no. That's the one with the big plates going down the spine.
That's going to be my third guess. Teradactyl. Triceratops. That's going to be my third guess.
No, it's going to be pterodactyl. Yeah.
So I can post. I did find a little bit of evidence of the concept art that made it to where else? Jurassic Wiki.
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Because of course there's a Wiki for Jurassic Park. It's a big enough world now.
Yeah. So according to Jurassic Wiki, the concept art was made around 2002.
And there was an interview in 2003 where a producer had alluded to it.
And then later there was an interview with the actual artist that did the concept art. His name is Carlos Hontay.
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I hope I said that correctly.
So he said, according to him, as soon as execs from Amblin saw the artwork, they immediately nixed the idea dead right there in the water.
I think it's cool looking. And I'm sorry I should have included it here.
That's not why anyone is going to watch any of the Jurassic Park, Jurassic World movies. No, that's disgusting. That is a freak show.
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We go to see dinosaurs and dinosaurs eating people and people surviving. That's what we want to see.
Not freak show, hybrid, whatever. And real dinosaurs, please. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. No, we don't want that. Classic brontosaurus. None of this bullshit. Yeah.
The concept art was cool, but I agree it didn't look right in a Jurassic Park universe.
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Yeah, I'm sure great for like a Spider-Man movie or like a comic book.
But yeah, well, first of all, it was much more scarier, menacing looking than just like, which is weird to say, than a regular dinosaur.
But you're kind of looking at going like, can I just get killed by a T-Rex, like conventional? Yeah, I just want a regular.
I don't want to get mauled by whatever that thing is. Yeah. But yeah, they had a cool look.
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Like, I mean, they're all, you know, just imagine, like I said, I can pull up the artwork and we'll post it later. But, you know, humanoid dinosaurs is essentially what you're looking at.
One actually went as far as they were referring to him as Raptor Man, which I'm hoping was going to be the official name because it's so terrible.
He sounds like a sexual predator. I hate it.
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Raptor Man. I don't know why I'm putting the emphasis on the Raptor. Raptor Man. Raptor Man.
All right. Anyway, so so I think y'all are y'all are universally saying that it's a good thing that this didn't happen. Yes. Yeah.
Maybe it's a cartoon. I could see it animated. That could be fun. Not even that. Jurassic Park. Because they did the Transformers dinosaurs.
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Oh, yeah. They had Transformers dinosaurs along. So they were metal? It was a cartoon. Yeah. They were metal.
When they combined like Voltron and when they'd combine, sorry, like Power Rangers for your generation, when they combined, they made a giant construction robot or no, no, no, no, no.
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It's a giant dinosaur. No, no, no, no. Sorry. But I'm close. Sorry. It's been a long time.
It's just a blue collar. No, no, it's me blending two things. The Decepticons. It's an oil reference. Yeah, right. That's on me.
The Decepticons had little construction guys that when they got together formed a giant construction robot.
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And then I believe it's in the Transformers movie, which is amazing.
So when you can see, I'm imagining a construction worker and like one of the cars doesn't transform. It's just his lunchbox.
No, it's like a bulldozer and a steamroller and all these things. And then they all combine together and they form one very large lunch pail.
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Oh yeah. Beast Wars. Beast Wars. From Transformers. And they have various. Grimlock. That's the main. He's the leader of the Dinobots. Oh, it's coming back. Yeah.
Dinos. But also they have. Also their English is terrible because they're dumb and dinosaurs. So it's like Grimlock hungry. Yeah. You know that kind of dumb. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, like, but you're you're a robot. Why is your anyway.
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You had a gorilla in there. They need oil and stuff. That I guess existed at the same time as a T-Series. Yeah, Beast Wars got a little crazy.
Yeah, that. Boy, that's a whole. Yeah, you're having a memory over there. I do love the Transformers movie.
It's comically. I mean, it's a fun movie. If you're a fan of the series or whatever. But who this Snyder? No, no, no, no. I'm talking about the animation.
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It's like circa 1986. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it had this all star cast of voice actors.
But back then in 1986, voice acting with celebrities wasn't really a thing yet. So again, comedy's dead. Voice acting's dead. Listen to this.
This list I'm about to give you of these names. So Orson Welles did a voice on it.
Leonard Nimoy did a voice on it. Robert Stack Unsolved Mysteries, an airplane. He did a voice on it.
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Judd Nelson that shows you the time period we're in. He was one of the main voices.
Who else was in that? But it was all these people. You're like, what? This is an insane.
I mean, great for the Kevin Bacon. How else am I going to get Judd Nelson, Orson Welles in the same anyway?
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So it's an absolute bonkers cast list for it.
But I also think that they somehow confused and tricked them into doing it because those are with the exception of maybe Judd Nelson.
None of those guys are voice actors. No way, though. Voice acting rules.
And now everybody's all about it. Every actor wants to do voice acting and loves it.
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Yeah, it's easy money. Yeah. Easy money. No makeup. You can wear your pajamas. Have fun.
You know what I mean? You don't work 12 hours. Little known fact, actors are always in pajamas when they're not working.
Yeah. Oh, those slouchy Uggs. And Crocs. Crocs and Uggs. Yeah.
Combination of Crocs and Uggs. So point being no hybrid dinosaurs. No hybrid dinosaurs.
Yes. Thank you, Justin, for moving us along. Oh, yeah.
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So for our final installment, I saved a fun, more familiar one for last.
I'm pretty sure everyone's going to remember this. And to segue us into this, how do you all feel about this?
This is a big question. How do you feel about the newer Star Wars installments? Like beyond the original three?
Whatever, dude. I don't care about anything. Rogue One, I whatever. Mandalorian, fine.
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That one about the guy. I don't know. I don't know. They're all the same thing. The guy that flies the ship.
Yeah. Yeah, the one and he's got stuff. He's doing something. It's kind of Mandalorian-y.
I don't know. I tried. I don't think I care at all about any of it. New word, Mandalorian-y. Same.
It's kind of Mandalorian-y. Yeah, it's just I don't I don't know.
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It feels like we should just come up with new ideas and move on. I wanted to hate. But it's fine. Yeah, it's fine.
It's fine. Exactly. It's fine. Let let people enjoy it. You know, all that kind of stuff.
I wanted to really hate them in the beginning. And now because there's been so much, you know, since the early 2000s,
I'm kind of in that same boat of like, whatever, at this point, I can't keep up.
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Shout out to one of my besties, Jonathan. He, I thought, had a really good take is that basically the original three movies is canon.
And then everything after that, you just assume is fan fiction.
And then it sort of makes you kind of OK with all of it because that tracks.
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But for this, I want to ask you all if you remember back in the early aughts that there was a rumor about Lucas, George Lucas,
wanting in sync to be in Star Wars. Do you remember this? No.
Dude, I thought you might remember. Hell, yeah.
Them dancing up in one of those little bars that they drink their blue drinks in or whatever the hell. I don't know.
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I had always heard. I had only imagined them in the bar.
Yeah. Where else would they be?
Right. Yeah.
The cantina there. Yeah.
That's Backstreet Boys.
It's all the same. It's all one direction of thing.
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So anyway, it's it's I remember the episode one had come out.
It was a giant disappointment to a lot of people that were fans of the original franchise.
And then when they were talking about episode two, that rumor had come out around that time that George Lucas wanted in sync
because his daughters were big fans of the band.
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And I remember people moaning and groaning at the time going like, I mean, you are you're shitting on the whole thing with episode one.
Now you're going to bring on fucking in sync with it. Yeah.
So you can imagine. So I kind of had forgotten about it all this time had passed.
So I'm going I'm looking for it and everything. And sure enough, it was a thing.
And this is kind of odd, but I can rely on yet again, Entertainment Weekly for my source on this.
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They're giving you what you want, man.
Collider is usually like my breadwinner for for info.
But today it's it's it's mostly Entertainment Weekly.
So there is truth to this.
It three of the five members of in sync.
So you want to rattle them off real quick. Oh, yeah.
Joey Fatone. Don't look. Wait.
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Justin Timberlake. Lance. Yeah. Joey. Uh huh.
There's only one, Joey. But yeah, you got him.
And two other ones that are less important that I don't remember.
J.C. Chavez and Chris Kirkpatrick. I would not have known that.
No. Yeah, I wouldn't know either. Maybe the Backstreet Boys.
I think I could tell you about the Backstreet Boys.
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But no, not in sync. I was it's like, yeah, Justin Timberlake, Lance Bass.
I remember their names. Joey Fatone. I kind of remember his names.
But you're right. The other two bummer for them.
They they they didn't get the same tier. Yeah.
Yeah, there's background, which makes sense.
Three guys in the front, two guys in the back. OK.
So they went as far as to put it was so is Joey Fatone, J.C. Chavez and Chris Kirkpatrick
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that they actually put them through sword choreography training.
They got hair and makeup designs and everything.
And they got all the way to actually shooting.
And they shot two small scenes where they were minor Jedi roles that were fighting in Attack of the Clones.
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And then I learned that Justin Timberlake and Lance Bass were apparently butthurt upon.
And that's quote butthurt upon learning that the others got cast and not them.
Probably because they're two. They were like those were they were the big ones. Right.
Lance and Lance and what's his face? The other one.
Yeah, I'm imagining that it was really just, you know, what is it, J.C. or Chris going, you know,
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they're kind of like itching their arm like a heroin addict, like, come on, George, I need it.
Yeah, give me something. Yeah.
It was not Lucas, though, as I went and looked as the rumor had always persisted.
It's actually it was another producer on Star Wars named Rick McCollum that got in seek a board because his daughter was a huge fan.
But Lucas did, however, direct the two scenes that they eventually shot that got cut.
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And just take him to a concert and take him backstage.
Well, you got to put him in. You know what?
The world of producers, it's their highs and lows.
We'll move on.
But yeah, Justin, if you want to read this is from the article, the entertainment weekly article,
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but it's just basically going into detail about in sync and their opinions of how it went down.
Yeah. Timberlake says he and Bass were so butthurt
when they learned that Joey Fatone, J.C.
Chavez and Chris Kirkpatrick had been tapped for small Jedi roles without them.
After they went to Lucas's Skywalker Ranch, industrial light and magic in the early 2000s,
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neither Timberlake nor Bass were present at the tour.
I would think that makes I don't know.
That makes sense if if that sounds like I know the producers call,
but I can imagine Lucas being something along the lines of well, Timberlake and and Lance
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and Bass were two recognizable. Right.
You know, we can't have them as Jedi.
That would just be to to out there.
We can have the other three because you're speaking as if George Lucas is talking from a place of making sense.
Sure. Right. No, that's what he did in the 2000s.
Again, he didn't make this decision.
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But I agree that I think you're right that they happen to be touring through the facilities
at just kind of there because they they're important enough.
They can have a private tour of that world, which would be really cool to go through.
And then at some point it gets brought up like maybe you guys could actually be in it.
And then that's kind of maybe the impetus of how it's these three and not the whole band.
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Something to that effect, maybe.
And and I should also mention the article is from 2023 because all this got revealed on Hot Ones,
which is a great show.
You can catch it on YouTube if you've never seen Hot Ones, but it's a fun little show.
And if you continue, Justin. Sure.
We've got so when asked on the latest episode of Hot Ones to confirm rumors that they had been cast for the guest roles,
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Timberlake quipped, Now we're getting to the nitty gritty questions.
A few of us. Yeah. Chavez confirmed adding that the chosen trio had to train for some sword choreography.
I remember us getting a call like you've never you're never going to believe what happened.
Timberlake said me and Lance were so butthurt.
Again with the barbers. Why did your butt hurt so bad?
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You should go to a doctor. Yeah.
At which point Bass interjected, but they got cut out anyway.
Timberlake joked about his and Bass's joy when they found out about the scrap scenes prompting laughter from the group.
Fatone confirmed that the cameos were indeed cut during a panel at Fandemic Tour Atlanta last year,
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confirming revealing that he and two of his bandmates recorded two scenes,
including one as extras during the movie's Battle of Geonosis.
Right. Yeah.
We were SAG-AFF remembers he said at the time, usually they have to pay the SAG rights to it.
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We only signed a confidential thing, but they had to cut us out of it.
They put us in wardrobe. I had a padawan tail.
Oh, like the ponytail. Fatone added.
He also noted that George Lucas himself came out and directed us, which was really cool.
Somebody somebody was taping this.
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So as producer Rick McCallum, how do you get this footage?
He's like, I can't give it to you. So there's actually footage of it.
During the Hot Ones segment, Fatone once again implored to McCallum to send them the shelves of material.
Let's get that footage, please. I want to see it.
So somewhere, somewhere there is the recorded footage of them fighting.
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I mean, there could be a ton of reasons why it never saw the light of day.
I would think that it's sort of a cooler heads prevail, not that it was necessarily an argument,
but just a little time to sit out and go like, yeah, I don't know.
Maybe this is a little too off brand for us to be putting cameo type stuff.
Yeah, it doesn't really seem like Star Wars is thing.
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But also, I'm like, I don't know. Star Wars fans hate Star Wars.
So throw it in. Who gives a shit?
Put it in a new episode or something.
They're going to hate all the other, you know what I mean?
I'm like, throw them in. I know I'd actually see them just have a whole new one of all of them.
Can we get Trump as the emperor? I think that's fitting.
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Let's put him in Palpatine look. Yeah, yeah.
Put him in like a bag, a full bag of goo or something.
You know, and you pale him up a little bit or just deny him his tan cream that he probably puts on.
I think it's in Rick McCallum's daughter's private collection somewhere.
Yeah, actually, that's a high probability where it's living.
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Yeah, probably. Yeah. She's got it. She shows it to friends every now and then.
This is also that obnoxious. I mean, this is beyond VIP.
This is just like, you know, and I get that there are celebrities and all that part, but it is.
It's kind of like, you know, it was at a fatone, aka fat one that he I'm sure he's never heard that.
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But, you know, it's really cool that George Lucas came out himself in Dragon.
It's like, yeah, he probably had to. Yeah, but also I'm like, oh, that's kind of cute.
Like they were just excited to be there. Like they're not actors.
And they were in a boy band. They were asked to do this thing. They're clearly Star Wars fans.
They went out and they thought it was cool that I'm like, you know, whatever.
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I don't know anything about those people, but I'm sure he's a nice boy. He's a nice boy.
He was excited to be there. He was excited about his ponytail.
Yeah, yeah. Padawan tail. Yeah, whatever.
You know, actually, when I first read it, Backstreet Boys, I had the same reaction you did.
You did Padawan tail. Oh, wait, the hair. I had the same reaction.
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Like, is it attached to his tail? That's what I was imagining too.
But right. That's their thing. Like if they're not quite Jedi's yet, they've got their dorky little ponytail.
Yes. Whatever. Yeah. It's like a side rat tail because the hair is kind of short.
But then the tail seems to be coming off the side, not really the back.
No, it's not. And they chop it off with a lightsaber.
It's literally just a regular low ponytail. Is it? It's like it's like a little mini.
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It's like a little mini, mini low ponytail that homeboy has and the thing.
I'm sorry. I don't remember anything. The movie where Anakin's not like a baby anymore.
And he's like kind of like rapey with homegirls being a little creepy.
He's got that little teeny tiny pony. It's like it's a rat tail. It's a fucking rat tail.
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OK. All right. I agree with the rat tail. It's a rat tail. It's a straight up rat tail.
That's what I in my memory. It was on the side, but maybe it was just he had it over the shoulder or something like that.
Yeah, no, that your memories failed you. No.
Well, you know what? Y'all's memory wasn't too good on Jurassic.
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All right. So that makes the score even. And yeah.
So, I mean, I think I'm feeling where you all are at on this one. Are we better off without the cameo?
Or I mean, outside of I think we all have the same curiosity level, like I totally want to see the footage.
Yeah, no, I think it should have been. I'm with Zoe. I think it should have been in there.
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It should have been. Why not? Yeah, why not?
It would be less distracting than Jar Jar Binks, that freak. Yeah.
What do you mean? Throw it in. Whatever. Yeah, it doesn't matter.
That's it. None of it makes sense anyway.
That's the man. Episode one. Geez, that was bad. Yeah.
Jar Jar is Jar Jar seems kind of like minor in comparison when you really deep dive what all's wrong with that movie.
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But anyway, I like that I like that. And I can't take credit to this friend years ago said it when the movie had come out.
But Jar Jar, who's like a buffoon, bumbling, clumsy guy throughout the entire movie basically.
And he's just this sad comic relief that's not comic relief.
But then when he when they're on their way to go to his people, he does like an Olympic triple Lutz dive into the pool.
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And you're like, where did that come from? This dude's like he ends up being like on some Senate, right?
Later. Yeah, yeah. Later, he's which is a joke, too, because it's like, no, you can't have this guy in a series.
But the way he's like, you know what I mean? Like he should not be in charge of anything.
No, no, no. He's so much. Yeah, it's horrible.
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I would watch his public execution. I can't. Yeah. You know, I pay money for that.
Yeah, actually, I agree with you on that. All right. So I would have made it better with let's put Leo in it.
And Jeff Goldblum. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They're in love fighting Lance Bass. Yeah, yeah. Why not? Why not?
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Yeah, I think I'm with you all with the why not of it.
A dinosaur gets loose on the Titanic. Leo and Jeff Goldblum have to tame it with lightsabers, human human hybrid.
Human hybrid. There we go. There we go.
Because everyone wants to see Raptor Man. Yeah. With the lightsaber.
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Yeah, that's also Jeff Goldblum. Call us, Cameron.
I'm also a dinosaur. The lower half of me is a dinosaur.
So as usual, I forgot to prompt you all ahead of time to give you a heads up. So it's typical of me.
So apologies for that. But this is usually the segment where I ask you all for any kind of story memory or anything like that.
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I was I was thinking because I've definitely worked on a lot of projects where things changed over the course of the project or something like that.
And for mine, I guess, give you all a second to think if you all if you all have anything.
But something I thought of kind of going into the sliding doors of this episode theme, I was working on a show that the parent company Millennium, which is a whole story about them.
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But anyway, they are the ones behind the Expendables franchise. And I was working on a non Expendables movie. But the show I was doing with the concept artists that we had had done concept art for Expendables three, which was like at its very beginning stages in development at the time.
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And she Nicole shout out to her wonderful and her husband, William, as well. But she had this really cool.
I mean, Expendables is so whatever, you know, but her thing that was really cool and it ended up, I don't think it became the thing, but it was basically like a battle train where the whole movie would be more or less taking place on this train that kind of had, you know,
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let's let's be butt heads for a second. Jerry B feel to it where like, you know, this sensitive cargo has to get from point A to point B and nothing can stop this train from making its destination.
You know, meanwhile, that's my kind of movie. Yeah, there's a highly advanced terrorist group that somehow has the schematics for the train.
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They have all this detailed information that they somehow have collected. And then you get that out. Bullet train. Is that not the no bullet train is there's on a train.
They're simply on a train. Yeah. Bullet train is just fun. They're on a train in Japan.
That is very, very, very bad.
And and the concept art, you know, had like a I think they call them cattle guards, you know, that sometimes like cars and trains will have in the front of them. So if you think like a kind of a cattle guard type thing and had extra plating on it and all this.
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So it looked really cool. And I'm looking at going like, I mean, I could kind of, you know, the Expendables come or go. But at the same time, looking at going like, I mean, check out a battle train.
Yeah. And then and then I never saw Expendables three, but I'm pretty sure there's no battle train.
And and that's just kind of how it goes. You know, that's exactly what concept art is, is that they're trying to put a visual to an idea and see if it's going to work for everybody.
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And that's going back to the human dinosaur hybrids.
Yeah. Understandable why the Amblin execs were like, oh, no, absolutely not. That's worse than I imagined. Yeah, that's a goddamn freak show. Yeah. Yeah. That looks like an island of Dr. Moreau with dinosaurs.
But but yeah, that's a very common thing that happens. Things get changed all the time.
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I'm going to throw in another short one that's I was on a low budget movie that part of the movie took place in Africa. And what's great about low budget sometimes is you'll have these things happen where in the script it's raining and he needs to or he runs under a tree for protection to get out of the rain.
But the tree he runs under is a bow about tree, the African trees that look like trees turned upside down kind of. And even to make a section of that would have cost around ten thousand dollars.
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And I even went so far as to like I looked up where the fountain was made because the tree in the fountain kind of had a similar look, which it was apparently made in Quebec.
So I'm calling like Montreal and Quebec City and trying to track down this thing. So go through all these hoops to basically come back and say, all right, if we want to do this, it's going to cost ten grand.
That show was very practical location. It didn't have a lot of construction to it. So the whole construction budget was 30 grand.
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And so one third of the construction budget would have been to do this tree. So everyone's like, thank you for this information. Very useful.
The next day, new pages. And guess what? He runs under the eve of a house.
That's what created in low budget world. Yeah, I don't care. Like if it costs ten thousand, twenty thousand, make the tree happen. God damn it.
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Yeah. I worked on a Disney thing and first of all, there were a couple of scenes that we shot shot all day in the scene.
And then they didn't like the set, rebuilt the set, reshot all of that, which is like, I was like, oh, that's very interesting.
But then I found out in this there was supposed to be a an animated character, an animated rabbit throughout.
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I mean, this is a kids movie. Yeah, by the way. But, you know, there was a movie with James Marsden that was that he was live action and the movie's live action.
But there is an animated rabbit in it. It's an Easter bunny movie. It's weird. I caught it on TV at a hotel.
So kind of all of that, like everything is live action and they're supposed to be this this rabbit running running around.
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Again, it was a Disney movie. So you can guess what rabbit right. It may have been you before you said rabbit.
You made me think of the Pabdool music video opposites attract. And I was thinking of the cartoon Alley Cat that's in the music.
Yeah, that but probably more like live action where like the fur looks like fur and whatever.
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But I don't know. I just thought that was interesting that there's supposed to be this whole this whole ass thing.
There's like we can afford it, man. Like also, I think you could could have afforded.
I mean, you are. Yeah, you're Disney. Yeah.
So I saw you're sort of like, I don't know how much some of these people are making the rabbit in.
Put the rabbit in. I want the rabbit. I'm not even a little kid. But yeah, that's that's wild.
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I mean, yeah, sometimes the choices to cut are financial. Sometimes they're intellectual, whatever creative.
And that's one of those ones where sometimes I don't I don't know the script or anything like that.
But sometimes you'll as a crew person, you'll go, that's weird. They kept this.
That doesn't make sense. But then they they skipped over this thing that would have been cool.
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But I'm not a producer. I'm just here to work. Yeah. Here's your stuff. Yeah.
Either way, either way, I don't have to give props to an imaginary character. Am I right? Yeah.
Exactly. Sounds good without the rabbit. Yeah. I was like, oh, that would have been cute. Yeah.
What about you, Justin? I'm still trying to figure out who this rabbit is.
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I have no idea. Well, very particular Disney owned rabbit.
Which one? I don't know what you're talking about. There's a clock. Why can't you just say it?
I guess I can. You know, one of the Wonderland rabbits. Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm late.
I'm late for a very important date. Yeah. Gotcha. OK. And James Marsden?
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No, this is I was saying, Allah, that James Marsden. There is a James Marsden movie about Easter
and the Easter bunny. And he has lineage of being
the family of the Easter bunny. So Allah that. And there's a stupid bunny.
He plays Cyclops. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For some reason, there's this bunny.
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It's Cyclops from the X-Men in an Easter drama. Yeah. Yeah.
Forget the James Marsden movie. I don't even know. I can't.
I can't unhear that. It's weird. It probably has like a 20 percent on Rotten Tomatoes.
But I caught it on TV. Fantastic. Sounds like a Russian movie.
All right. Yeah, no, those are more like prop things.
I don't I don't run into those sorts of situations as much.
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I guess dialogue cuts would be a standard thing. Oh, yeah.
Super standard. Even just rumors though. I'd be talking. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Great for you. I love eavesdropping on set.
I'm listening left and right. Yeah.
I'm closing up to Producers Village. That's something that. Acting busy.
PAs are usually in better spots to catch the hot goss.
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And and because they're the they're kind of the lowest on the totem pole,
there's also like the least amount of liability for them to spread what they hear.
But you're always like, but if you're working on the show, you got to be kind of careful and everything.
But if you're if you make friends with your friendly PAs, which you should,
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then they also tell you some good stuff sometimes. Yeah.
You'll go like, oh, I can't I can't repeat that. Yeah. That is saucy.
In fact, work for the guy. Zoe has has said some things that we've got to keep off air.
Me. Yeah. I'll tell you about it when we're off air. I know you have one of my favorite ones.
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I know such a tease and don't tell it. I love gossip.
What would be another I'm trying to think what would be besides, say, dialogue, additions, cuts, things like that?
Maybe. Well, things get cut because of sound.
You know, like, that's true props because of sound, because they make too much noise.
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Yeah. Oh, I can't tell you how many times we get into the ice debates.
And it's I am totally the friend of sound when it comes to these things for two reasons.
One, who cares? It's not about the drink. So if it's more sound friendly, then make it more sound friendly.
And then two, it's just the thing of if if it's if it's indifference on my end and it doesn't push the story, like I was just saying,
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and sounds going, that's horrible. Can you guys switch it out for anything else?
And if anyone's paying attention, that's why you see so many people drinking whiskey neat scotch neat and that kind of stuff,
because we are fake ice world is kind of weird. Our softer acrylic ice is not as great.
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Even though it's more sound friendly, it's not as great.
Sometimes it's you're not even supposed to be drinking with it in there, depending on the quality of it.
But our better looking ice is plastic. And so depending on the glass, depending on how the actor is doing and everything, yeah, you're going to have a rattling.
You know, it's going to it's going to sound like ice, essentially. At that point, you might as well have the real thing.
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Yeah. Wine, whiskey or beer is usually the that's a lot friendlier. Yeah.
And and yeah, you know, you'll get sometimes every now and then you might get a director, an actor that's insistent on something,
which usually not always, but it's usually a sign that they're kind of novice to maybe that gag.
And that's why they're pushing for something that shouldn't matter.
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But yeah, I mean, if there's something that can help another department simultaneously, especially make your life easier, why not do it?
To me, that's about as common sense as you can get. But yeah, the you guys have there's a material Moleskin, which we use sometimes in props as well.
But sound has this plus an arsenal of like, how can I say dampeners dampeners? Exactly.
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That's thank you. Thank you, sound man.
That can help suppress some of the noise in certain situations like what would be a shoes, I guess would be a good example.
Girls heels. Yeah, we have, you know, rubber things that stick on the bottom of shoes.
And, you know, we put rugs down and things like that.
Will you tell it because it's fun to watch. Will you tell how y'all go about finding the noisy shoes when it's a bunch of BG?
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How do you mean? Well, like there's there's someone in your department that's with the crowd that's talking back to you.
And you're asking them to. It's funny. The operator is just moving around with with their boom microphone, pointing it in different directions.
Find it like a radar detector kind of thing that I like a metal detector for sound.
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Yeah, I imagine the second seconds helping, though. Yeah. You know what I mean?
Oh, yeah. They know when when shit is loud, they're like, yep, I hear it.
That woman right there, clobbering around all over the place. Why is she wearing clogs? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Some boom operators will just go and tell an 80, hey, can you tell everybody to shut the fuck up?
Yeah. Take their shoes off. Yeah.
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It's funny. The reason I was asking is it's funny to watch when you see it's almost like because you'll see like a boom operator with poles sort of lurking like a hunter.
Like you think kind of like Elmer Fudd with his gun going after Bugs Bunny sort of thing.
But they're kind of lurking with it as they're sending the pole around trying to figure out, you know, it's it's just a thing of like, I know it's around here somewhere.
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So a lot of times that's that's to like try to find where a distant noise is coming from.
Right. And so it could be pointing in a direction, trying to figure out what a specific noise is.
Maybe a refrigerator or something. Yeah, could be a refrigerator.
Shoes are easy. Right. Shoes are easy. You can look around. You can see that the sneakers are, you know, to me, it's almost always going to be heels or clogs.
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You know what I mean? But a random like, well, you know, to me, generator or like a random like jingling, you know, could be someone's necklace, bracelet, keys in their pocket, whatever.
Yeah. Yeah. Keys. That's another one. Keys. I have them together. Yep. All right.
Anyway, so with that said, thank you all for joining us today. And we're going to get out of here as soon as Zoe lets you all know what's the what's.
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I've got something to say. And here she goes.
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Hello film friends, friends of film and everyone in between. Welcome to the Film
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Folklore Podcast. I am Jed Props and I'm joined today by Justin Sound. Hello. And
Zoe Props. Hey. So Chris is not here, which is not a shock, and I'm gonna, well, I'm
gonna kick this off not with a rumor but an announcement. So basically we got two
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weeks in a row with announcements, big announcement, so we're gonna make a
change here at FFL and I'm just gonna rip the band-aid off. I don't know a really
great way to go about saying it, but Joe will no longer be with us. I mean he will
because we all work with each other and he will still be a guest from time to
time. He's still alive. Yeah, he is alive. Yeah, let's be clear. And he is our friend,
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but he's got too many commitments, blah blah, and it's just it's been a lot for
him. So we love you Joe, don't worry, and we are going to segue that with a new
co-host. Should I leave it a surprise? I could leave it a surprise. I don't know.
Yeah, let's leave it a surprise. We'll leave it a surprise. Here, I'll give a hint. We're really excited to have them
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back. So there you go. We narrowed the pool to 20-something people. Shitty hint. I mean I
agree. But yeah, so tune in next week to see or hear who that's gonna be, but
we're excited about that. And yeah, so that's that. And getting into today, well
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I guess, you know, real quickly, let's follow tradition first.
Zoe, where's Chris? Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris. He's taking grave digger shifts.
Zoe works nights and actual grave digging. Actual grave digging. To be clear. Yeah, not the cutesy
term of just working overnight. Actual grave digging. The irony is that here in
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New Orleans, we do above ground. Well, he's at the one lot that's underground. But maybe that's why Chris isn't very
good at the job because he keeps digging holes. What, you want me to dig up? You know a better way to dig up.
You let me know. Yeah, that all tracks. All right, so today we are returning to our segment
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Tea Time at the Rumor Mill and this is our first one for season two. We are excited. We're gonna get into
something a little fun that we can explore in other episodes as well. But essentially, cinematic sliding doors.
And what I mean by that is today I'm gonna have three fun what-if scenarios that are based on almost the
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ended up change. For better, for worse is for y'all to discuss. But essentially these are all things that
basically were in the process of happening at some stage of development or even shooting and then ultimately
they're not there in the final product. So everybody ready to get into this? Oh, I'm ready. Let's do it. All right.
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So we're gonna start off with classic movie. Has everyone here seen Titanic? You're familiar with Titanic?
I feel if there's a movie Zoe has seen it's Titanic. I've seen Titanic. Finally got one. The only movie I have seen.
This is on us. Because it's low on the historical. It's also basically three movies in one. That's true.
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Because she's watching in story date order. Yeah, you're still going in order. Idiots. How do y'all feel about Titanic?
Is that a beloved movie? You like it, dislike it? Yeah, let's say I do. Yes, I like the Titanic.
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There are things that I don't like about the Titanic. What's something you don't like about Titanic? It's long.
It's unnecessarily long. It is a very long movie. Also, this I mean, you know, the story. Why? Why?
Why didn't she talk about this guy for like 80 years? Why? Why did she take his last name and never mention a word of him?
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That's all fair point. She's the villain. I was also surprised that it wasn't about the iceberg so much.
No, not even a little bit. Because I was just going like, well, we kind of know how this movie ends.
And then seeing it, you're going, oh, it's a love story that tracks. That was before stadium seating.
I saw it in high school with a bunch of friends, guys and girls. We were in this big group and the only seats available.
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I was on the front row far left and it was not there was no intermission.
I mean, a movie, if a movie ever needed an intermission, it was Titanic. And even in like youthful good shape.
I remember leaving the theater like, ah, my neck, my neck.
And you've just been stuck in a position trying to watch a movie for so long.
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And I remember that more than the movie because it was so uncomfortable.
I remember it was a big hit at our church. A lot of Christian people were seeing it. Interesting.
Which I didn't really think. But that was like the movie that was being talked about in this church.
I didn't go see the theaters, but I remember my mom took my sister. I was pretty young.
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But I remember watching it eventually and being like, why? Yeah. Why was this?
It was a big and this was like a pretty it was a church, a Christiany ass church.
It was really big. It was big in the church for whatever reason. I don't know. I didn't really.
There's a lot of stuff in there that is not very churchy, as I recall.
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Not really nude painting, I believe. I mean, that's it, though.
That's literally it. Yeah. You know. Huh. OK.
Justin, you've seen Titanic, right? Sure. Yeah. Yeah.
On and off over the many years since it came out, I was never really super into it either, I think.
And so, you know, when it first came out, I think, you know, family was watching it on VHS, you know, at the house.
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And I probably walked in and, you know, saw that it was on, probably watched it for half hour or so
and then went off to do something else for a while and probably caught bits and pieces over the years
until I finally decided to sit down and watch. However long it is, five or six hours.
Yeah, you gave me very long. You gave me the image of like a dad that's that's finding excuses to be busy.
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So he just kind of keeps coming in out of the room.
And each time he walks by, he's like, still sinking, huh? All right. I forgot to go fix that line.
That whole movie is just sinking, you know.
But Leo does a good job. And was it Billy Zane? It's Zane.
You should listen to your friend Billy Zane. Yeah. Yeah. Billy Zane.
I mean, that's too later, but.
He's just dressed like the guy from Panic! at the Disco the entire movie. Why? Why? What is this?
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That's a funny reference.
So Titanic, which were by the way, we're going to eventually cover Titanic as a movie separately for Legendary Lore,
because there's plenty of things to talk about with Titanic, about the making of it.
But for today, we're going to segue into some almost that kind of happened in Tide to Titanic.
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Real quick, though, just to kind of get everybody's head wrapped around the scale of what it was at the time.
Justin, can you read that Collider little article snippet I put there? Sure.
The 1997 film Titanic cost 200 million dollars to produce, making it the most expensive film at the time.
This breaks down to over 100 million per minute of screen time.
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Titanic was a box office success, grossing over two billion dollars worldwide.
It was the highest grossing film in Paramount Pictures history until Top Gun Maverick,
which is pretty crazy that it was the new. Yeah, basically up until last year, essentially.
Good for Titanic. Go for Leo. Yeah, poor Leo.
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Go for Kate Winslet. Go for Kate Winslet. We'll have Kate Winslet.
Don't forget Cameron. You know, he's so humble.
Billy Zane. And Billy Zane.
Isn't Kathy Bates in that movie too? Sure. Why not?
Is she in Titanic? Does anybody remember that? Yeah, I think I feel like she is.
Well, all our listeners out there, let me know. I'm not going to look it up.
Was Jessica Tandy the older Kate Winslet or am I just remembering Fire Green Tomatoes because you said Kathy Bates?
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I think no. I think it's just some random old lady. I do not recognize that bride.
Well, they should have gotten Jessica Tandy. That's on them.
Yeah, no, they dug up a corpse for that one.
Anyway, too many tangents.
OK, so like true Hollywood fashion, this level of success of something that is a big success like this always comes with a lot of things like plagiarism, I suppose.
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And people are trying to capitalize on the, you know, ride the wave.
I was trying to I'm sure there's an official term for it that I just couldn't think of.
But essentially, a question to you all, what would you say or guess are the typical types of, say, plagiarism or capitalization of a project after a film or TV has success?
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Like, what would be in the sense of like like I'll give you an example, like a sequel is likely coming a lot of times when something is an unexpected success.
Then they go like, oh, how can we make a sequel to this movie now?
You know, it's that capitalizing on the term of documentaries or could that or just like I feel like sometimes I feel like every 10 to 12 years, all of a sudden, all films are like Greek God lore.
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You know what I mean? Like this, like, you know, like Troy 300, this kind of like, why are all the movies kind of just about this now?
Or a la War of the Worlds or zombies where all of a sudden there's like pirates.
Yeah, yeah. Just five movies out in a couple of years.
They're just like, why is this all the same movie?
Gosh, I was watching trailers the other day and two of the trailers were nerdy, unsuspecting dudes that were actually tough and saving something.
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I was like, who is this for? Like, just like scrawny nerds saving the day.
One of those gladiator to like, I don't know.
But no, no, you're you're absolutely right.
That counts as an example.
No, no, it does. And to your point, you see it a lot in TV world where you look at a show like ER was so successful that it spawned a million other medical dramas and things.
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You know, that that is to your point.
Yeah. And you get like lesser versions that you find on Hulu or Netflix that never made it to theaters. And it's like, why? Why does this movie exist?
Like we mentioned zombies or pirates.
Like you'll go through these kind of fad sort of things and people just kind of crop on the similar ideas.
But yeah, that's that's what I was looking for.
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You get copycats, you get rip off.
Sometimes people just want to merchandise the shit out of something to try to make profit of it.
You're kind of like I'm sure a lot of people listening have seen the Toys That Made Us, which is wonderful docu series on Netflix.
But they they talk about Star Wars toys and that and how it was so behind the eight ball in the beginning.
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They were just slow to make toys for it.
And that's how this small toy company Kenner.
Anyway, it's a great documentary.
You should go watch it. But there's always someone trying to make a buck off of that.
That whole thing. And to the point, the one thing that we have not talked about for a purpose is what we're going to talk about today, which is parody of a big success.
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So apparently and not shocking, Titanic had multiple parodies that came very close to being made.
There's two main ones we're going to talk about here, and one of them is called or was going to be called Gigantic.
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And the other one was a working title called Titanic 2 T O O colon.
It missed the iceberg.
I wish gigantic was colon too much Titanic.
In fact, Titanic 2 had another working title called Deep Titanic colon Armageddon.
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Now, what this kind of gets into, which will also sort of answer your question that you had, Zoe, very conveniently that because it ties in perfectly.
It's so the Titanic 2 was written by one of the screenwriters of The Naked Gun, a guy named Pat Proft.
And there were, of course, rumors that Leslie Nielsen and Priscilla Presley were both attached to do the project.
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Then what happens in a lot of these situations is competing studios will often race to beat the competitors to similar projects.
And an example of something I worked on, I worked on Olympus has Fallen, Jerry B.
Hell, yeah, I just watched that actually.
And the name of the game making that movie, they knew that there was a Jamie Foxx movie happening called White House Taken.
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And the name of the game was to get this movie out first.
That's that's what the ultimate goal was.
Just beat them to the box office.
And that is a tale as old as time that these studios will be racing each other to get theirs out first to capitalize on that thing.
And that's a little bit what was happening here.
And oh, you know, actually, real quick, I want to also mention optioning because that's something we haven't really talked about.
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Do you all know what optioning a script is?
You're all familiar with that.
A lot of times this is I don't know how much it's happens today with the streaming world and everything.
This is where like a producer would be a good person to ask.
But kind of in the pre streaming world, a lot of times studios would buy scripts with the intent to never actually make them.
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It would be to prevent someone else from making it sometimes, which is kind of a weird thing.
But there's a lot of writers out there in the world that have made a lot of money off of things not actually happening because you can have a screenplay.
Maybe like two hundred thousand dollars is the optioning fee.
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So that writer made two hundred thousand dollars for a script that will never see the light of day, which is kind of weird.
But they'll do it sometimes as a prevention.
Sometimes they'll do it because they just want to hold on to it because maybe they want to do something with it and they haven't made up their mind.
So that's called optioning a script is basically they're paying for those rights to hold on to that thing.
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But I just thought I'd mention that since we're talking about studio competition.
So anywho's this situation was very much in the vein of what we're talking about, where you have competing studios.
So while Titanic to colon it missed the iceberg was likely of the Zucker Brothers Abrams camp,
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that's the people that did airplane naked gun mafia top secret and pretty much every other slapstick I liked.
Then not shockingly gigantic was co-written by writer Mike Bender, who was a co-writer for Not Another Teen movie,
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which same people that did scary movie and that whole series.
So you can see where these two kind of comedy camps are sort of competing to get theirs out first.
And the likely death nail for the projects was too much time had passed from concept to development to trying to get them off the ground.
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And neither project would have been ready until around 99 or 2000.
So you're starting to get pretty far removed from Titanic.
So you're kind of window to ride the wave or at least back when they cared because I mean, God,
since then we've seen what dumb or dumb and dumber or I think was made like what 15 years after the original movie, if not longer, maybe 20 years.
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I mean, now it seems like they don't care anymore.
But there was a time that you're like, when does close?
So I think that's what this was.
I don't know, though, it kind of doesn't matter.
Sometimes we when movies are big enough, it's like especially for this one.
Right. Because it really didn't lose momentum until a few years ago.
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I guess the idea you think about what was the one that parodied 300 Meet the Spartans, Meet the Spartans, which I think was done in Louisiana.
At least part of it was.
But that's that I think that's kind of how they felt about this, where you think about that movie, which I haven't actually seen Meet the Spartans.
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But I remember the trailer where he's the Jerry B, not Jerry B guys kicking multiple people down the hole that keeps getting more and more exaggerated.
It's probably the funniest in the movie. That's why they showed it.
I've never seen it. That's good. Exactly. That's good comedy right there.
So I think something maybe along those lines where that came out pretty quickly after 300.
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So they felt like it's still fresh enough because it's such a specific schtick type thing versus like maybe The Naked Gun, which is more timeless because it's just a cop general spoof.
That's just me speculating. Any producers or experts can feel free to email us, contact us and tell us where I'm wrong.
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But I'm trying to look up because I will admit that I first found this in a Reddit thread.
And I was like, well, I don't know if I can talk about if it's in a Reddit thread.
But I did manage to find an Entertainment Weekly from 1998 that is actually talking about all this.
And Zoe, if you would, this is the part of the article that's relevant for what we're talking about.
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All right. Just that when he thought it was safe to go back on the cruise ship, along comes Titanic, the spoofs.
No less than three takeoffs on the biggest box office boat of all time are getting the thumbs up.
And in one case, many thumbs up Titanic to to spell T.O.O. by the way, it missed the iceberg stars parody paragon's.
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How's that word? Leslie Nielsen and Priscilla Presley, whose sorry ass ship bypasses the iceberg only to ram into other hazards.
The 25 million project is written and directed by Naked Gun and Hotshots writers at Pat Prof.
Gigantic tells the tale of a Titanic's slightly shorter by two inches sister ship, which gets no publicity when it bashes into a wimpy coral reef on its maiden voyage.
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Mike Bender, 22, and his brother, Chris, 27, wrote the film for New Line.
Hands down, though, the weirdest and most buzzed about Titanic spoof is thumb Tannic from director Steve Odeckirk, Ace Ventura, When Nature Calls.
Set to wrap by year's end, the 22 and a half minute film.
OK, it's not bad.
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Most likely direct to video recreates the nautical disaster with a cast of human thumbs.
Why? Odeckirk's thumb plays a Leonardo DiCaprio like role.
The other thumbs are unknowns, but the director still hands it to them.
The performances are incredible.
The effects. You won't believe it.
Odeckirk insists the thumbs faces look just like real faces.
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Yeah, but those fingers will have to be triple jointed if any of the Titanic spoofs are going to float.
The summer's gag fest mafia godfathers send up and wrongfully accused a fugitive spoof were laughed out of theaters, earning 19.9 million and 9.6 million.
I'd watch a fugitive spoof.
Respectively, Odeckirk thinks spoofs work if you offer the public something they haven't seen before.
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Producer Hal Liberman, who's making the mockumentary New Jersey Turnpikes, agrees, adding that each parody should be judged on a case by case basis.
After seeing what happened to this summer, the public seems to be saying, I've had my fill of parodies.
Looks like our idea of pie Tannic about a ship of doomed math wizards is dead in the water.
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So a lot there.
I want to see Titanic to miss the iceberg.
Titanic to sounds amazing.
I love the idea that they miss the storied iceberg, but then the whole movie is them hitting other hazards.
It's so stupid.
And Zoe, I have seen wrongfully accused once.
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I saw it in the theater.
I do not remember it being good.
Leslie Nielsen is the main guy.
I mean, probably not.
I just love the fugitive no matter.
I wouldn't. I know.
Maybe I wouldn't like it.
I like the fugitive too much.
I remember it being because Leslie Nielsen kind of had I don't want to call it a downfall.
That's not the right term.
But he did a series of comedies that were definitely past the prime where like they weren't they weren't solid scripts.
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They weren't they were.
You know, and that was in that vein.
He also he had a spy one that I can't remember the name that was really bad.
Dracula Dead and Loving It was in that time period, which wasn't great.
That might be Mel Brooks weakest.
Yeah, I mean, there's a reason why comedy is not come back in a big, big way and is now just masked by drama and other things.
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Comedy is not back.
Yeah, comedy is dead.
We need to bring slapstick back.
It's time for a turn to slapstick.
But yeah, the thumb stuff was also a thing for excuse me, a hot minute.
The thumb thing is hilarious.
That guy knows what he's doing.
That is fucking hilarious.
I never realized that he's he was the Ace Ventura guy.
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So he went on from an Ace Ventura thing to a thumb thing.
That's great and weird.
And I get that.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
And then gigantic.
What was it?
It's it's two inches shorter than the other ship and it hits a lackluster coral reef instead.
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I mean, that sounds funny, too.
I would I would I would maybe give that a watch of these three and Justin, that might have been your official vote.
I don't know. But of these three, what do you think sounds the most interesting that you would want to watch?
Oh, Titanic 2. I want to see what else it hits.
Right. Besides the iceberg.
Plus, it's Liz and Nielsen and and it's Zucker Brothers.
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So you know that each Zucker Brothers were very good at anything in a series getting comically bigger.
You know, if you think of an airplane, the good example is, you know, it starts with looks like I picked the wrong way to quit smoking.
I picked the wrong way to quit smoking cigarettes.
And then by the end, it's like, looks like I picked the wrong way to quit sniffing glue.
He's like upside down on the ceiling.
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They're very good at that kind of escalation.
And I would imagine that the items that it hits would be increasingly absurd.
Yeah, it's perfect. Yeah, it is perfect for that.
Bummer that it was not because it I mean, according to this Entertainment Weekly article, it sounds like they they were all green light ready to go.
I mean, they're reporting it as if it's ready to hit production. So it sounds like it got very close.
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All right. Anything else about Titanic or there there?
We did giggle, but it is a pretty bad joke.
They're Titanic. I like that one.
Yeah. Math wizards.
That's hilarious. I want Titanic to also be the thumb movie.
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So they're thumb math wizards. I'd watch that.
I don't know. Is it is it three point one four miles long?
Yeah. Sure. Why not? Yeah.
Three point one four years. I don't know.
All right. So twenty one.
The next thing that we have that we're going to cover today is we're going to get into the Jurassic Universe.
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Are you all fans of the Jurassic Park franchise?
Yeah. Big time. Well, no, the first one.
Not the franchise. Just the first one. Just the first one.
Yeah. It's hard to beat the second one.
The third one. If you got it, if you got it.
But no, right. The third one is the third one.
The third one that drinks his pee.
I remember the pee drinking.
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That was maybe the fourth one. Jeff Goldblum.
The third one. Are you sure it wasn't a porn parody? It might have been the fourth one. I don't know. This kid. It's a kid.
He's pee. Jurassic piss.
He ends up stuck on this island. I think they're parasailing through.
His maybe dad dies or something.
And he ends up stuck.
And I remember, I don't know, or maybe he pees and jars and the dinosaurs don't like.
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I remember there being pee in it. I don't know.
Nobody. Maybe I need to go back and watch that.
You could be right. It's before all that. It was definitely before all the Chris Pratt stuff.
We're talking about Lost World. Yeah.
No, there's Jurassic Park 1, 2, with Jeff Goldblum still in it.
There's a third one that I don't remember. And I think maybe a fourth one where there's a kid in pee.
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The fourth one. Well, the fourth one is Jurassic World.
That's getting into the Pratt, the newer stuff.
OK, so then the third one. Yeah. The third one.
Yeah, it's all before Chris Pratt.
Macy is the dad and they're going to look for their son. That's the third one.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that one. OK. I don't hate that one.
And the son is pissing a lot, apparently. Yeah.
I don't know. I just remember there being a pee thing in it.
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And I was confused as a child. And then I watched it as I was older.
I was like, oh, I get it now. He didn't drink the pee.
He just peed in these jars. That was like a deterrent for the dinosaurs.
They don't like pee. I don't know.
But before, four was the Lost World.
And that's when I get into Chris Pratt just yet.
That was the first Lost World where it was like not to be confused with Jurassic World.
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Right. Correct. Yeah.
So because what this is calling Jurassic Park for is calling it Jurassic World.
But it's not Jurassic Park for us, really. Jurassic World.
But I'm so confused. I don't know anymore.
But you just brought up a good point because what we're about to say is that where this information came out was back around 2002 and 2003.
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So that actually would have been in the Lost World time period, wouldn't it?
Yeah. Yeah.
It could have been an article mistake because this is a combination of a few different articles.
But it specifically did say Jurassic Park for, aka Jurassic World.
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So we're going to say it's Lost World because that is going to, I think, make more sense with what we're about to say.
Lost World is the second one with Jeff Goldblum, right?
Well, now I'm confused. This is saying Jurassic Park for is Chris Pratt. I don't know what the fuck.
OK. So we'll just say, are we talking about Chris Pratt here?
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I thought we were talking about Pratt, Pratt, Pratt, Pratt, which I think is his Instagram.
But I thought we were talking about Pratt. But it's just when you said that, I was like, well, this information is from 2002, 2003.
However, it's concept related. So things can be in development for years.
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So it's possible that this is the very beginning of what became Chris Pratt, Jurassic World, which was far later.
So, I mean, roughly a decade. But anyway, we'll get into it.
Let's chat about it.
So, and you know what? Write us and tell us what we're wrong. Sure.
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So in the original script and concept for Jurassic Park for a.k.a.
Jurassic World, as this says, was that it was originally written to have human dinosaur hybrids in it.
Because as we know, the Jurassic series is all about bad science decision making.
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And and there is also a human death toll that never fully gets brought out in this world.
But I've always thought about like, hey, you remember when my cousin took his family to that island?
They never came back. Did you notice that?
I just realized my cousin and his family never came back. Do you think they stayed over there?
That's kind of weird. Anyway, you know, it's like, how do you keep that under wraps?
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Wait for the first one?
Well, I'm saying once you get to like Jurassic World where they open the park, you know, people are getting like there are pterodactyls picking up people and I'm pretty sure killing them.
They got to sign stuff before they go to that park. You know what I mean?
Like they're risking their lives.
Lloyds of London would not ensure this. I mean, there is anyway.
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So they're always tampering with science and nature and everything.
It's not shocking that they were looking at a human dinosaur hybrid type idea.
DNA strand and all that. Sure.
Even though I'm not a science nor doctor, I'm pretty sure that's impossible. But whatever.
If y'all were to guess what three dinosaurs they specifically were focusing on story wise to make into the hybrids, which three dinosaurs would you choose?
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The Laceraturs for sure. That's definitely one.
The flying ones, right? Yeah. No, no, no, no. The smaller killing.
Oh yeah. Classic. The raptor. The classic raptor. Tapping on the door and fucking with those kids. Yeah.
Going with that theme, then you would also need to have the most famous dinosaur of all.
The big one. T-Rex. T-Rex. There you go. T-Rex. T-Rex. There you go.
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And then I'll give you all the third one because it's too much to guess, but Triceratops was the third one. The flying one.
No, no, no. That's the one with the big plates going down the spine.
That's going to be my third guess. Teradactyl. Triceratops. That's going to be my third guess.
No, it's going to be pterodactyl. Yeah.
So I can post. I did find a little bit of evidence of the concept art that made it to where else? Jurassic Wiki.
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Because of course there's a Wiki for Jurassic Park. It's a big enough world now.
Yeah. So according to Jurassic Wiki, the concept art was made around 2002.
And there was an interview in 2003 where a producer had alluded to it.
And then later there was an interview with the actual artist that did the concept art. His name is Carlos Hontay.
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I hope I said that correctly.
So he said, according to him, as soon as execs from Amblin saw the artwork, they immediately nixed the idea dead right there in the water.
I think it's cool looking. And I'm sorry I should have included it here.
That's not why anyone is going to watch any of the Jurassic Park, Jurassic World movies. No, that's disgusting. That is a freak show.
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We go to see dinosaurs and dinosaurs eating people and people surviving. That's what we want to see.
Not freak show, hybrid, whatever. And real dinosaurs, please. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. No, we don't want that. Classic brontosaurus. None of this bullshit. Yeah.
The concept art was cool, but I agree it didn't look right in a Jurassic Park universe.
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Yeah, I'm sure great for like a Spider-Man movie or like a comic book.
But yeah, well, first of all, it was much more scarier, menacing looking than just like, which is weird to say, than a regular dinosaur.
But you're kind of looking at going like, can I just get killed by a T-Rex, like conventional? Yeah, I just want a regular.
I don't want to get mauled by whatever that thing is. Yeah. But yeah, they had a cool look.
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Like, I mean, they're all, you know, just imagine, like I said, I can pull up the artwork and we'll post it later. But, you know, humanoid dinosaurs is essentially what you're looking at.
One actually went as far as they were referring to him as Raptor Man, which I'm hoping was going to be the official name because it's so terrible.
He sounds like a sexual predator. I hate it.
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Raptor Man. I don't know why I'm putting the emphasis on the Raptor. Raptor Man. Raptor Man.
All right. Anyway, so so I think y'all are y'all are universally saying that it's a good thing that this didn't happen. Yes. Yeah.
Maybe it's a cartoon. I could see it animated. That could be fun. Not even that. Jurassic Park. Because they did the Transformers dinosaurs.
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Oh, yeah. They had Transformers dinosaurs along. So they were metal? It was a cartoon. Yeah. They were metal.
When they combined like Voltron and when they'd combine, sorry, like Power Rangers for your generation, when they combined, they made a giant construction robot or no, no, no, no, no.
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It's a giant dinosaur. No, no, no, no. Sorry. But I'm close. Sorry. It's been a long time.
It's just a blue collar. No, no, it's me blending two things. The Decepticons. It's an oil reference. Yeah, right. That's on me.
The Decepticons had little construction guys that when they got together formed a giant construction robot.
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And then I believe it's in the Transformers movie, which is amazing.
So when you can see, I'm imagining a construction worker and like one of the cars doesn't transform. It's just his lunchbox.
No, it's like a bulldozer and a steamroller and all these things. And then they all combine together and they form one very large lunch pail.
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Oh yeah. Beast Wars. Beast Wars. From Transformers. And they have various. Grimlock. That's the main. He's the leader of the Dinobots. Oh, it's coming back. Yeah.
Dinos. But also they have. Also their English is terrible because they're dumb and dinosaurs. So it's like Grimlock hungry. Yeah. You know that kind of dumb. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, like, but you're you're a robot. Why is your anyway.
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You had a gorilla in there. They need oil and stuff. That I guess existed at the same time as a T-Series. Yeah, Beast Wars got a little crazy.
Yeah, that. Boy, that's a whole. Yeah, you're having a memory over there. I do love the Transformers movie.
It's comically. I mean, it's a fun movie. If you're a fan of the series or whatever. But who this Snyder? No, no, no, no. I'm talking about the animation.
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It's like circa 1986. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it had this all star cast of voice actors.
But back then in 1986, voice acting with celebrities wasn't really a thing yet. So again, comedy's dead. Voice acting's dead. Listen to this.
This list I'm about to give you of these names. So Orson Welles did a voice on it.
Leonard Nimoy did a voice on it. Robert Stack Unsolved Mysteries, an airplane. He did a voice on it.
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Judd Nelson that shows you the time period we're in. He was one of the main voices.
Who else was in that? But it was all these people. You're like, what? This is an insane.
I mean, great for the Kevin Bacon. How else am I going to get Judd Nelson, Orson Welles in the same anyway?
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So it's an absolute bonkers cast list for it.
But I also think that they somehow confused and tricked them into doing it because those are with the exception of maybe Judd Nelson.
None of those guys are voice actors. No way, though. Voice acting rules.
And now everybody's all about it. Every actor wants to do voice acting and loves it.
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Yeah, it's easy money. Yeah. Easy money. No makeup. You can wear your pajamas. Have fun.
You know what I mean? You don't work 12 hours. Little known fact, actors are always in pajamas when they're not working.
Yeah. Oh, those slouchy Uggs. And Crocs. Crocs and Uggs. Yeah.
Combination of Crocs and Uggs. So point being no hybrid dinosaurs. No hybrid dinosaurs.
Yes. Thank you, Justin, for moving us along. Oh, yeah.
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So for our final installment, I saved a fun, more familiar one for last.
I'm pretty sure everyone's going to remember this. And to segue us into this, how do you all feel about this?
This is a big question. How do you feel about the newer Star Wars installments? Like beyond the original three?
Whatever, dude. I don't care about anything. Rogue One, I whatever. Mandalorian, fine.
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That one about the guy. I don't know. I don't know. They're all the same thing. The guy that flies the ship.
Yeah. Yeah, the one and he's got stuff. He's doing something. It's kind of Mandalorian-y.
I don't know. I tried. I don't think I care at all about any of it. New word, Mandalorian-y. Same.
It's kind of Mandalorian-y. Yeah, it's just I don't I don't know.
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It feels like we should just come up with new ideas and move on. I wanted to hate. But it's fine. Yeah, it's fine.
It's fine. Exactly. It's fine. Let let people enjoy it. You know, all that kind of stuff.
I wanted to really hate them in the beginning. And now because there's been so much, you know, since the early 2000s,
I'm kind of in that same boat of like, whatever, at this point, I can't keep up.
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Shout out to one of my besties, Jonathan. He, I thought, had a really good take is that basically the original three movies is canon.
And then everything after that, you just assume is fan fiction.
And then it sort of makes you kind of OK with all of it because that tracks.
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But for this, I want to ask you all if you remember back in the early aughts that there was a rumor about Lucas, George Lucas,
wanting in sync to be in Star Wars. Do you remember this? No.
Dude, I thought you might remember. Hell, yeah.
Them dancing up in one of those little bars that they drink their blue drinks in or whatever the hell. I don't know.
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I had always heard. I had only imagined them in the bar.
Yeah. Where else would they be?
Right. Yeah.
The cantina there. Yeah.
That's Backstreet Boys.
It's all the same. It's all one direction of thing.
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So anyway, it's it's I remember the episode one had come out.
It was a giant disappointment to a lot of people that were fans of the original franchise.
And then when they were talking about episode two, that rumor had come out around that time that George Lucas wanted in sync
because his daughters were big fans of the band.
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And I remember people moaning and groaning at the time going like, I mean, you are you're shitting on the whole thing with episode one.
Now you're going to bring on fucking in sync with it. Yeah.
So you can imagine. So I kind of had forgotten about it all this time had passed.
So I'm going I'm looking for it and everything. And sure enough, it was a thing.
And this is kind of odd, but I can rely on yet again, Entertainment Weekly for my source on this.
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They're giving you what you want, man.
Collider is usually like my breadwinner for for info.
But today it's it's it's mostly Entertainment Weekly.
So there is truth to this.
It three of the five members of in sync.
So you want to rattle them off real quick. Oh, yeah.
Joey Fatone. Don't look. Wait.
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Justin Timberlake. Lance. Yeah. Joey. Uh huh.
There's only one, Joey. But yeah, you got him.
And two other ones that are less important that I don't remember.
J.C. Chavez and Chris Kirkpatrick. I would not have known that.
No. Yeah, I wouldn't know either. Maybe the Backstreet Boys.
I think I could tell you about the Backstreet Boys.
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But no, not in sync. I was it's like, yeah, Justin Timberlake, Lance Bass.
I remember their names. Joey Fatone. I kind of remember his names.
But you're right. The other two bummer for them.
They they they didn't get the same tier. Yeah.
Yeah, there's background, which makes sense.
Three guys in the front, two guys in the back. OK.
So they went as far as to put it was so is Joey Fatone, J.C. Chavez and Chris Kirkpatrick
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that they actually put them through sword choreography training.
They got hair and makeup designs and everything.
And they got all the way to actually shooting.
And they shot two small scenes where they were minor Jedi roles that were fighting in Attack of the Clones.
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And then I learned that Justin Timberlake and Lance Bass were apparently butthurt upon.
And that's quote butthurt upon learning that the others got cast and not them.
Probably because they're two. They were like those were they were the big ones. Right.
Lance and Lance and what's his face? The other one.
Yeah, I'm imagining that it was really just, you know, what is it, J.C. or Chris going, you know,
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they're kind of like itching their arm like a heroin addict, like, come on, George, I need it.
Yeah, give me something. Yeah.
It was not Lucas, though, as I went and looked as the rumor had always persisted.
It's actually it was another producer on Star Wars named Rick McCollum that got in seek a board because his daughter was a huge fan.
But Lucas did, however, direct the two scenes that they eventually shot that got cut.
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And just take him to a concert and take him backstage.
Well, you got to put him in. You know what?
The world of producers, it's their highs and lows.
We'll move on.
But yeah, Justin, if you want to read this is from the article, the entertainment weekly article,
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but it's just basically going into detail about in sync and their opinions of how it went down.
Yeah. Timberlake says he and Bass were so butthurt
when they learned that Joey Fatone, J.C.
Chavez and Chris Kirkpatrick had been tapped for small Jedi roles without them.
After they went to Lucas's Skywalker Ranch, industrial light and magic in the early 2000s,
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neither Timberlake nor Bass were present at the tour.
I would think that makes I don't know.
That makes sense if if that sounds like I know the producers call,
but I can imagine Lucas being something along the lines of well, Timberlake and and Lance
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and Bass were two recognizable. Right.
You know, we can't have them as Jedi.
That would just be to to out there.
We can have the other three because you're speaking as if George Lucas is talking from a place of making sense.
Sure. Right. No, that's what he did in the 2000s.
Again, he didn't make this decision.
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But I agree that I think you're right that they happen to be touring through the facilities
at just kind of there because they they're important enough.
They can have a private tour of that world, which would be really cool to go through.
And then at some point it gets brought up like maybe you guys could actually be in it.
And then that's kind of maybe the impetus of how it's these three and not the whole band.
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Something to that effect, maybe.
And and I should also mention the article is from 2023 because all this got revealed on Hot Ones,
which is a great show.
You can catch it on YouTube if you've never seen Hot Ones, but it's a fun little show.
And if you continue, Justin. Sure.
We've got so when asked on the latest episode of Hot Ones to confirm rumors that they had been cast for the guest roles,
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Timberlake quipped, Now we're getting to the nitty gritty questions.
A few of us. Yeah. Chavez confirmed adding that the chosen trio had to train for some sword choreography.
I remember us getting a call like you've never you're never going to believe what happened.
Timberlake said me and Lance were so butthurt.
Again with the barbers. Why did your butt hurt so bad?
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You should go to a doctor. Yeah.
At which point Bass interjected, but they got cut out anyway.
Timberlake joked about his and Bass's joy when they found out about the scrap scenes prompting laughter from the group.
Fatone confirmed that the cameos were indeed cut during a panel at Fandemic Tour Atlanta last year,
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confirming revealing that he and two of his bandmates recorded two scenes,
including one as extras during the movie's Battle of Geonosis.
Right. Yeah.
We were SAG-AFF remembers he said at the time, usually they have to pay the SAG rights to it.
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We only signed a confidential thing, but they had to cut us out of it.
They put us in wardrobe. I had a padawan tail.
Oh, like the ponytail. Fatone added.
He also noted that George Lucas himself came out and directed us, which was really cool.
Somebody somebody was taping this.
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So as producer Rick McCallum, how do you get this footage?
He's like, I can't give it to you. So there's actually footage of it.
During the Hot Ones segment, Fatone once again implored to McCallum to send them the shelves of material.
Let's get that footage, please. I want to see it.
So somewhere, somewhere there is the recorded footage of them fighting.
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I mean, there could be a ton of reasons why it never saw the light of day.
I would think that it's sort of a cooler heads prevail, not that it was necessarily an argument,
but just a little time to sit out and go like, yeah, I don't know.
Maybe this is a little too off brand for us to be putting cameo type stuff.
Yeah, it doesn't really seem like Star Wars is thing.
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But also, I'm like, I don't know. Star Wars fans hate Star Wars.
So throw it in. Who gives a shit?
Put it in a new episode or something.
They're going to hate all the other, you know what I mean?
I'm like, throw them in. I know I'd actually see them just have a whole new one of all of them.
Can we get Trump as the emperor? I think that's fitting.
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Let's put him in Palpatine look. Yeah, yeah.
Put him in like a bag, a full bag of goo or something.
You know, and you pale him up a little bit or just deny him his tan cream that he probably puts on.
I think it's in Rick McCallum's daughter's private collection somewhere.
Yeah, actually, that's a high probability where it's living.
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Yeah, probably. Yeah. She's got it. She shows it to friends every now and then.
This is also that obnoxious. I mean, this is beyond VIP.
This is just like, you know, and I get that there are celebrities and all that part, but it is.
It's kind of like, you know, it was at a fatone, aka fat one that he I'm sure he's never heard that.
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But, you know, it's really cool that George Lucas came out himself in Dragon.
It's like, yeah, he probably had to. Yeah, but also I'm like, oh, that's kind of cute.
Like they were just excited to be there. Like they're not actors.
And they were in a boy band. They were asked to do this thing. They're clearly Star Wars fans.
They went out and they thought it was cool that I'm like, you know, whatever.
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I don't know anything about those people, but I'm sure he's a nice boy. He's a nice boy.
He was excited to be there. He was excited about his ponytail.
Yeah, yeah. Padawan tail. Yeah, whatever.
You know, actually, when I first read it, Backstreet Boys, I had the same reaction you did.
You did Padawan tail. Oh, wait, the hair. I had the same reaction.
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Like, is it attached to his tail? That's what I was imagining too.
But right. That's their thing. Like if they're not quite Jedi's yet, they've got their dorky little ponytail.
Yes. Whatever. Yeah. It's like a side rat tail because the hair is kind of short.
But then the tail seems to be coming off the side, not really the back.
No, it's not. And they chop it off with a lightsaber.
It's literally just a regular low ponytail. Is it? It's like it's like a little mini.
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It's like a little mini, mini low ponytail that homeboy has and the thing.
I'm sorry. I don't remember anything. The movie where Anakin's not like a baby anymore.
And he's like kind of like rapey with homegirls being a little creepy.
He's got that little teeny tiny pony. It's like it's a rat tail. It's a fucking rat tail.
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OK. All right. I agree with the rat tail. It's a rat tail. It's a straight up rat tail.
That's what I in my memory. It was on the side, but maybe it was just he had it over the shoulder or something like that.
Yeah, no, that your memories failed you. No.
Well, you know what? Y'all's memory wasn't too good on Jurassic.
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All right. So that makes the score even. And yeah.
So, I mean, I think I'm feeling where you all are at on this one. Are we better off without the cameo?
Or I mean, outside of I think we all have the same curiosity level, like I totally want to see the footage.
Yeah, no, I think it should have been. I'm with Zoe. I think it should have been in there.
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It should have been. Why not? Yeah, why not?
It would be less distracting than Jar Jar Binks, that freak. Yeah.
What do you mean? Throw it in. Whatever. Yeah, it doesn't matter.
That's it. None of it makes sense anyway.
That's the man. Episode one. Geez, that was bad. Yeah.
Jar Jar is Jar Jar seems kind of like minor in comparison when you really deep dive what all's wrong with that movie.
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But anyway, I like that I like that. And I can't take credit to this friend years ago said it when the movie had come out.
But Jar Jar, who's like a buffoon, bumbling, clumsy guy throughout the entire movie basically.
And he's just this sad comic relief that's not comic relief.
But then when he when they're on their way to go to his people, he does like an Olympic triple Lutz dive into the pool.
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And you're like, where did that come from? This dude's like he ends up being like on some Senate, right?
Later. Yeah, yeah. Later, he's which is a joke, too, because it's like, no, you can't have this guy in a series.
But the way he's like, you know what I mean? Like he should not be in charge of anything.
No, no, no. He's so much. Yeah, it's horrible.
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I would watch his public execution. I can't. Yeah. You know, I pay money for that.
Yeah, actually, I agree with you on that. All right. So I would have made it better with let's put Leo in it.
And Jeff Goldblum. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They're in love fighting Lance Bass. Yeah, yeah. Why not? Why not?
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Yeah, I think I'm with you all with the why not of it.
A dinosaur gets loose on the Titanic. Leo and Jeff Goldblum have to tame it with lightsabers, human human hybrid.
Human hybrid. There we go. There we go.
Because everyone wants to see Raptor Man. Yeah. With the lightsaber.
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Yeah, that's also Jeff Goldblum. Call us, Cameron.
I'm also a dinosaur. The lower half of me is a dinosaur.
So as usual, I forgot to prompt you all ahead of time to give you a heads up. So it's typical of me.
So apologies for that. But this is usually the segment where I ask you all for any kind of story memory or anything like that.
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I was I was thinking because I've definitely worked on a lot of projects where things changed over the course of the project or something like that.
And for mine, I guess, give you all a second to think if you all if you all have anything.
But something I thought of kind of going into the sliding doors of this episode theme, I was working on a show that the parent company Millennium, which is a whole story about them.
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But anyway, they are the ones behind the Expendables franchise. And I was working on a non Expendables movie. But the show I was doing with the concept artists that we had had done concept art for Expendables three, which was like at its very beginning stages in development at the time.
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And she Nicole shout out to her wonderful and her husband, William, as well. But she had this really cool.
I mean, Expendables is so whatever, you know, but her thing that was really cool and it ended up, I don't think it became the thing, but it was basically like a battle train where the whole movie would be more or less taking place on this train that kind of had, you know,
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let's let's be butt heads for a second. Jerry B feel to it where like, you know, this sensitive cargo has to get from point A to point B and nothing can stop this train from making its destination.
You know, meanwhile, that's my kind of movie. Yeah, there's a highly advanced terrorist group that somehow has the schematics for the train.
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They have all this detailed information that they somehow have collected. And then you get that out. Bullet train. Is that not the no bullet train is there's on a train.
They're simply on a train. Yeah. Bullet train is just fun. They're on a train in Japan.
That is very, very, very bad.
And and the concept art, you know, had like a I think they call them cattle guards, you know, that sometimes like cars and trains will have in the front of them. So if you think like a kind of a cattle guard type thing and had extra plating on it and all this.
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So it looked really cool. And I'm looking at going like, I mean, I could kind of, you know, the Expendables come or go. But at the same time, looking at going like, I mean, check out a battle train.
Yeah. And then and then I never saw Expendables three, but I'm pretty sure there's no battle train.
And and that's just kind of how it goes. You know, that's exactly what concept art is, is that they're trying to put a visual to an idea and see if it's going to work for everybody.
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And that's going back to the human dinosaur hybrids.
Yeah. Understandable why the Amblin execs were like, oh, no, absolutely not. That's worse than I imagined. Yeah, that's a goddamn freak show. Yeah. Yeah. That looks like an island of Dr. Moreau with dinosaurs.
But but yeah, that's a very common thing that happens. Things get changed all the time.
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I'm going to throw in another short one that's I was on a low budget movie that part of the movie took place in Africa. And what's great about low budget sometimes is you'll have these things happen where in the script it's raining and he needs to or he runs under a tree for protection to get out of the rain.
But the tree he runs under is a bow about tree, the African trees that look like trees turned upside down kind of. And even to make a section of that would have cost around ten thousand dollars.
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And I even went so far as to like I looked up where the fountain was made because the tree in the fountain kind of had a similar look, which it was apparently made in Quebec.
So I'm calling like Montreal and Quebec City and trying to track down this thing. So go through all these hoops to basically come back and say, all right, if we want to do this, it's going to cost ten grand.
That show was very practical location. It didn't have a lot of construction to it. So the whole construction budget was 30 grand.
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And so one third of the construction budget would have been to do this tree. So everyone's like, thank you for this information. Very useful.
The next day, new pages. And guess what? He runs under the eve of a house.
That's what created in low budget world. Yeah, I don't care. Like if it costs ten thousand, twenty thousand, make the tree happen. God damn it.
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Yeah. I worked on a Disney thing and first of all, there were a couple of scenes that we shot shot all day in the scene.
And then they didn't like the set, rebuilt the set, reshot all of that, which is like, I was like, oh, that's very interesting.
But then I found out in this there was supposed to be a an animated character, an animated rabbit throughout.
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I mean, this is a kids movie. Yeah, by the way. But, you know, there was a movie with James Marsden that was that he was live action and the movie's live action.
But there is an animated rabbit in it. It's an Easter bunny movie. It's weird. I caught it on TV at a hotel.
So kind of all of that, like everything is live action and they're supposed to be this this rabbit running running around.
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Again, it was a Disney movie. So you can guess what rabbit right. It may have been you before you said rabbit.
You made me think of the Pabdool music video opposites attract. And I was thinking of the cartoon Alley Cat that's in the music.
Yeah, that but probably more like live action where like the fur looks like fur and whatever.
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But I don't know. I just thought that was interesting that there's supposed to be this whole this whole ass thing.
There's like we can afford it, man. Like also, I think you could could have afforded.
I mean, you are. Yeah, you're Disney. Yeah.
So I saw you're sort of like, I don't know how much some of these people are making the rabbit in.
Put the rabbit in. I want the rabbit. I'm not even a little kid. But yeah, that's that's wild.
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I mean, yeah, sometimes the choices to cut are financial. Sometimes they're intellectual, whatever creative.
And that's one of those ones where sometimes I don't I don't know the script or anything like that.
But sometimes you'll as a crew person, you'll go, that's weird. They kept this.
That doesn't make sense. But then they they skipped over this thing that would have been cool.
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But I'm not a producer. I'm just here to work. Yeah. Here's your stuff. Yeah.
Either way, either way, I don't have to give props to an imaginary character. Am I right? Yeah.
Exactly. Sounds good without the rabbit. Yeah. I was like, oh, that would have been cute. Yeah.
What about you, Justin? I'm still trying to figure out who this rabbit is.
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I have no idea. Well, very particular Disney owned rabbit.
Which one? I don't know what you're talking about. There's a clock. Why can't you just say it?
I guess I can. You know, one of the Wonderland rabbits. Oh, yeah. Oh, I'm late.
I'm late for a very important date. Yeah. Gotcha. OK. And James Marsden?
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No, this is I was saying, Allah, that James Marsden. There is a James Marsden movie about Easter
and the Easter bunny. And he has lineage of being
the family of the Easter bunny. So Allah that. And there's a stupid bunny.
He plays Cyclops. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For some reason, there's this bunny.
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It's Cyclops from the X-Men in an Easter drama. Yeah. Yeah.
Forget the James Marsden movie. I don't even know. I can't.
I can't unhear that. It's weird. It probably has like a 20 percent on Rotten Tomatoes.
But I caught it on TV. Fantastic. Sounds like a Russian movie.
All right. Yeah, no, those are more like prop things.
I don't I don't run into those sorts of situations as much.
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I guess dialogue cuts would be a standard thing. Oh, yeah.
Super standard. Even just rumors though. I'd be talking. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Great for you. I love eavesdropping on set.
I'm listening left and right. Yeah.
I'm closing up to Producers Village. That's something that. Acting busy.
PAs are usually in better spots to catch the hot goss.
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And and because they're the they're kind of the lowest on the totem pole,
there's also like the least amount of liability for them to spread what they hear.
But you're always like, but if you're working on the show, you got to be kind of careful and everything.
But if you're if you make friends with your friendly PAs, which you should,
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then they also tell you some good stuff sometimes. Yeah.
You'll go like, oh, I can't I can't repeat that. Yeah. That is saucy.
In fact, work for the guy. Zoe has has said some things that we've got to keep off air.
Me. Yeah. I'll tell you about it when we're off air. I know you have one of my favorite ones.
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I know such a tease and don't tell it. I love gossip.
What would be another I'm trying to think what would be besides, say, dialogue, additions, cuts, things like that?
Maybe. Well, things get cut because of sound.
You know, like, that's true props because of sound, because they make too much noise.
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Yeah. Oh, I can't tell you how many times we get into the ice debates.
And it's I am totally the friend of sound when it comes to these things for two reasons.
One, who cares? It's not about the drink. So if it's more sound friendly, then make it more sound friendly.
And then two, it's just the thing of if if it's if it's indifference on my end and it doesn't push the story, like I was just saying,
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and sounds going, that's horrible. Can you guys switch it out for anything else?
And if anyone's paying attention, that's why you see so many people drinking whiskey neat scotch neat and that kind of stuff,
because we are fake ice world is kind of weird. Our softer acrylic ice is not as great.
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Even though it's more sound friendly, it's not as great.
Sometimes it's you're not even supposed to be drinking with it in there, depending on the quality of it.
But our better looking ice is plastic. And so depending on the glass, depending on how the actor is doing and everything, yeah, you're going to have a rattling.
You know, it's going to it's going to sound like ice, essentially. At that point, you might as well have the real thing.
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Yeah. Wine, whiskey or beer is usually the that's a lot friendlier. Yeah.
And and yeah, you know, you'll get sometimes every now and then you might get a director, an actor that's insistent on something,
which usually not always, but it's usually a sign that they're kind of novice to maybe that gag.
And that's why they're pushing for something that shouldn't matter.
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But yeah, I mean, if there's something that can help another department simultaneously, especially make your life easier, why not do it?
To me, that's about as common sense as you can get. But yeah, the you guys have there's a material Moleskin, which we use sometimes in props as well.
But sound has this plus an arsenal of like, how can I say dampeners dampeners? Exactly.
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That's thank you. Thank you, sound man.
That can help suppress some of the noise in certain situations like what would be a shoes, I guess would be a good example.
Girls heels. Yeah, we have, you know, rubber things that stick on the bottom of shoes.
And, you know, we put rugs down and things like that.
Will you tell it because it's fun to watch. Will you tell how y'all go about finding the noisy shoes when it's a bunch of BG?
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How do you mean? Well, like there's there's someone in your department that's with the crowd that's talking back to you.
And you're asking them to. It's funny. The operator is just moving around with with their boom microphone, pointing it in different directions.
Find it like a radar detector kind of thing that I like a metal detector for sound.
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Yeah, I imagine the second seconds helping, though. Yeah. You know what I mean?
Oh, yeah. They know when when shit is loud, they're like, yep, I hear it.
That woman right there, clobbering around all over the place. Why is she wearing clogs? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Some boom operators will just go and tell an 80, hey, can you tell everybody to shut the fuck up?
Yeah. Take their shoes off. Yeah.
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It's funny. The reason I was asking is it's funny to watch when you see it's almost like because you'll see like a boom operator with poles sort of lurking like a hunter.
Like you think kind of like Elmer Fudd with his gun going after Bugs Bunny sort of thing.
But they're kind of lurking with it as they're sending the pole around trying to figure out, you know, it's it's just a thing of like, I know it's around here somewhere.
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So a lot of times that's that's to like try to find where a distant noise is coming from.
Right. And so it could be pointing in a direction, trying to figure out what a specific noise is.
Maybe a refrigerator or something. Yeah, could be a refrigerator.
Shoes are easy. Right. Shoes are easy. You can look around. You can see that the sneakers are, you know, to me, it's almost always going to be heels or clogs.
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You know what I mean? But a random like, well, you know, to me, generator or like a random like jingling, you know, could be someone's necklace, bracelet, keys in their pocket, whatever.
Yeah. Yeah. Keys. That's another one. Keys. I have them together. Yep. All right.
Anyway, so with that said, thank you all for joining us today. And we're going to get out of here as soon as Zoe lets you all know what's the what's.
(01:08:08):
I've got something to say. And here she goes.
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Maybe you have an idea or suggestion for topics you want to hear about?
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