December 25, 2025 • 51 mins
What if part of your fatigue, brain fog, or poor recovery isn’t coming from training or nutrition—but from your environment? Coach Chris Newport sits down with Jen Heller, host of the Homes That Heal podcast, to explore how our home environments impact detoxification, sleep, nervous system regulation, and long-term health.
Jen shares her powerful personal journey—from heavy metal toxicity and thyroid dysfunction to infrared sauna therapy, environmental detox, and ultimately redefining what it means to truly heal.
We discuss:
- How heavy metals and environmental toxins affect the body
- Infrared vs traditional saunas for detox and recovery
- Why sleep and digital detox are non-negotiable for healing
- EMFs, light exposure, and nervous system overload
- Simple ways to turn your home into a healing sanctuary
- Why “getting back to basics” may be the most powerful strategy
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Coach Carlie (02:00):
So if you've ever met someone and they're a total
stranger and yet somehow youfeel like you've shared these
uncanny journeys and have thesesynchronicities that suddenly
you're fast friends.
Well, that's how I feel about myguest today.
Her name is Jen Heller.
She's the host of the Homes ThatHeal podcast.
(02:22):
Now, let me get this straight.
She didn't start there.
And in fact, that's what a lotof today's podcast is about.
Her journey from going tocorporate America to now doing
amazing things for all of herlisteners through this Homes
That Heal podcast.
So when Jen was havingchallenges in her health, she
didn't necessarily set outlooking for holistic or
(02:45):
unconventional solutions.
In fact, wellness found herafter she had a moment where the
traditional route didn't fullyexplain what was going on in her
body.
This conversation isn't aboutone right way or replacing
conventional medicine.
It's about listening, curiosity,and understanding that every
person's healing journey looksdifferent, especially when
(03:09):
you're truly ready for change.
So if you're open to learninghow environment, heat therapy,
relationships, and simplelifestyle shifts can support
recovery, sleep, andperformance, this episode will
meet you right where you are.
Let's do it.
(03:31):
All right.
Welcome back to the Find YourEdge podcast.
I am your host, Coach ChrisNewport, and I am here today
with an amazing guest.
I'm so excited to bring her on.
It's Jen Heller.
And y'all, I'm excited for thisconversation because we we were
just kind of joking that weliterally did a podcast prior to
recording this on somethingprobably totally, maybe totally
(03:55):
different than what we're goingto talk about.
I don't know.
We'll see.
So a little on topic, off topic.
Yeah.
Uh so Jen, you have an amazingpodcast.
It's called Homes That Heal.
And the reason why I wanted tointroduce you to our listeners
is that the home is an amazingspace, and we spend a lot of
(04:18):
time there.
And, you know, for our folks,maybe they're sitting on their
bicycle trainer or on theirtreadmill and being exposed, if
you will, to all these differentthings.
And then, of course, we dogenetic testing and we look and
we see the propensity forpeople's ability to detoxify is
a real thing.
So I wanted to introduceeverybody to Jen and get her to
(04:43):
tell her story and then get alittle bit more into all kinds
of amazing things.
So y'all buckle up.
It's gonna be awesome.
So, Jen, start us off with yourstory.
SPEAKER_00 (04:54):
Oh gosh.
First of all, thank you so muchfor the opportunity.
It's an honor, and we alwayshave so much fun talking.
And, you know, my story, Ialways like to say that wellness
found me.
I wasn't exactly seeking it, tobe quite honest.
I worked in corporate, I wasworking in HR management,
Coca-Cola, you know, very justhustle and grind.
(05:16):
I got that job right out of highschool.
Actually, I started at Coke whenI was 19, went into business
school, like did all the things,got married, um, built a house,
like living kind of like what Iwould say a pretty picture
perfect life, so to speak.
Like we were very happy.
And the one thing that was kindof in the background was like my
health.
I wouldn't say like growing up,I was I was not a thin child.
(05:38):
I I I was always kind of chunkyor stout or stocky, but
something changed in my 20s andin my late teens and 20s, and I
was gaining a significant amountof weight.
And I I just couldn't quitefigure out why, um, other than I
knew I was just like I had a jobwhere I was sitting a lot.
And so um I just kind of chalkedit up to that.
(06:00):
And I didn't really think toomuch of it, but I was actually
secretly struggling a lot, likejust really, ugh, I mean
swimsuit shopping, you know,hanging out with girlfriends.
I wasn't feeling comfortable inmy own skin.
And so one day I decided I wasgoing to dig a little bit deeper
into how I could, you know, loseweight.
(06:22):
I tried all the things, ofcourse.
I mean, if Walgreens had a punchcard for weight loss pills, I
definitely, you know, maxed thatout.
But something shifted in me.
And I guess, I mean, the realoverarching the catalyst for it
was one night I was out withsome girlfriends.
We were at a bar, um, havingsome drinks, having some fun,
and a stranger came up to me andhe was drunk.
(06:43):
So, you know, you could youcould chalk it up as whatever.
But this guy just startedcalling me fat, calling me fat
over and over and over and allthese names.
And he just kept using the termfat.
And I was, he was actually beingrude to the bartender.
He was just like one of thosebelligerent people in the bar
that everyone's like, what isthis guy doing?
Like, who?
But for some reason, he lockedeyes with me.
(07:07):
And we, I was just like, I knewthe bar owner, and I was like,
You're not gonna act like thisin my friend's bar.
Like, we locked eyes and just hetore into me and embarrassed me
in front of everybody and justkind of shredded me on my
personal appearance.
And Chris, I went into thebathroom.
I was like, I'm fine, I'm fine.
I'm like, I just took a minute,I went into the bathroom, and
(07:30):
something in me completelyshifted, and I just bust into
tears.
And I just like did the wholelike back up against the
bathroom wall, slid down to thefloor, and just started sobbing
in my sweatshirt, which arm,like I something I was shaking.
Something in me was like this onthis perfect stranger sees
(07:52):
somebody that like I'm afraidof, right?
Like I just felt so out of body.
That was actually the pivotalpoint for me to the next day.
I was like, I am going to becomethe CEO of my health.
Like, I am going to decide thatI'm gonna figure out how I can
lose weight and get healthierand be healthier.
So I made some appointments withthe doctor, I got some blood
(08:15):
work done and just startedcollecting data, collecting
information.
And I I I convinced myself therehad to be something wrong with
me.
And and so I was looking forthose answers.
So all this blood work cameback, and the doctor said
basically, like, well, you havea thyroid issue, and you're but
(08:35):
everything else seems to beokay.
Maybe we should take yourthyroid out and have certain,
you know, remove your thyroid.
Something seems to be amiss, anduh, and then we'll go from
there.
And I just thought, I remembergoing out to my car and sitting
in the parking lot and startedcrying.
I was like 20, I don't evenknow, 26, 27 at this time.
And I remember thinking, like,God gave me a thyroid.
(08:57):
Like, why would somebody wantto, why would they cut it out?
Like they didn't even give me ananswer for that.
And I just thought, well, whatwould be the purpose of that?
And the explanation was I waslike, well, your body's not
detoxing properly, yourmetabolism's sludged up, like
your whole system isn't working.
This is what we need to do.
And I just thought, what do youmean my body's not detoxing?
(09:17):
Like, I I don't, I don't, Idon't understand that.
I I want more information.
And they just couldn't give itto me.
So I just decided that I wasn'tgonna do that surgery.
And I was telling one of mygirlfriends um that night, I was
like, I'm like, I just can't, Idon't understand.
Like, do you just take likeforgive me for being naive, but
(09:38):
do you just remove organs ifthey're supposedly not working
for you?
Like, I just didn't quiteunderstand.
I've never been in like thescience background.
I was always, you know, uhinterested in other things.
And so I didn't quite understandthe human anatomy.
Like, how does this work?
And so my girlfriend was like,hmm, that's interesting.
She's like, I have this friend,or I have this friend in
(10:00):
resources clinic here in townthat does nutrition response
testing, NRT.
Have you ever heard of it?
And I was like, no, what isthat?
And she said, Well, my husbandis going to see her, this woman,
her name is Ashley, because hehas Lyme disease, and his body
is not processing, you know,like there's some detoxification
and some issues going on, andhe's been struggling.
(10:22):
Well, here I'd been friends withthis woman for 15 years.
I did not know her husband hadLyme disease.
Like, so this was the firstconversation.
So she starts opening up to meabout some of the struggles and
what he's been going through.
And I so we just had this reallygreat, vulnerable, open
conversation about how, youknow, another path, right?
(10:43):
A different way of which youcould test the body.
And so I didn't know what NRTwas.
Um, I went home that night.
She's like, Well, I happen tohave one of these cards for a
free consult.
If you're interested, you couldgo see her and just see what
happens, right?
And I was like, okay, maybe I'llmaybe I'll check that out.
So I went home that night,looked into NRT, which I said is
nutrition response testing.
(11:03):
Okay, well, full disclosure, I'mnot of a practitioner of NRT, so
I'm gonna probably butcher thisdescription.
So I'm gonna give you the bestdescription on how it was used
for me or how it was explainedto me.
So I made an appointment on herschedule and went into her
office.
And I'll I'll be honest, Ididn't really tell her a whole
lot about my symptoms and what Iwas struggling with.
I just thought, I'm gonna see ifshe can figure out like what's
(11:26):
going on.
Maybe I want to see if she comesto the thyroid.
Like I want to kind of see.
I basically said, I'moverweight, because at this
point I was over 100 poundsoverweight.
I was like, well, I'moverweight, obviously.
I've got some unhealthy habits,I need some help, and I want to
lose weight.
She's like, okay, get on thetable.
Basically, like just kind ofimagine like a massage table.
You're laying on your back, putyour arm up, your right arm up,
(11:47):
and she proceeds to go through.
She's like, I'm gonna use yourarm as the gauge.
And um, she's like, just holdstrength.
She's like, your job is just tohold the strength, and I'm gonna
use your arm and push on it, andyou just continue to resist me.
You basically are workingagainst me.
And I was like, okay, I can dothat.
So she wasn't talking a lot, andso we went through this whole
(12:08):
five, 10, 15-minute analysis,and she's putting all these
different things on my body,like all these little vials.
And I'm like, Well, I don't knowwhat that is, but interesting.
I'm just gonna let her carry on.
And all of a sudden, she put uha couple of vials like on my
chest, my arm was straight up inthe air, and all of a sudden it
just boom, it like drops down.
(12:29):
Like I couldn't control it.
I I felt it and I was like, ooh,that's interesting.
What is that?
And she's like, Oh, she's like,You felt that?
And I'm like, Yeah, what wasthat?
I'm like, do that again.
And so we did it again.
Fast forward, turns out it waslead and mercury, it was two
different heavy metals.
And she said, Um, again, this islike 15, 16 years ago, so I
(12:53):
don't, I'm just you know,ad-libbing here.
But um, she was basically like,Do you do you have any major
exposure to mercury and leadthat you're aware of?
And I said, No, not that I'maware of.
Why what's going on?
And she put her hands right hereon my thyroid.
And as soon as she put her handson my thyroid, my arm went down.
Like I couldn't control it.
Like she pushed it down and Icouldn't hold it up.
And she's like, Well, she'slike, You have heavy metal
(13:14):
toxicity.
It's trashed your thyroid, it'scrossed the blood brain barrier.
And she just went on and, youknow, she's like, You, she's
like, This is probably one ofthe highest levels I've ever
seen.
She's like, You're in trouble.
And I was like, Oh, okay,interesting.
Uh, you know, so now I'm justlike speechless, and I'm like,
okay, well, what do I do?
(13:35):
So again, fast forward.
So that was basically the thecatalyst for me to a understand
there's another path and way inwhich you can test the body,
work with the body, understandwhat's going on, versus just
using blood work, right?
Not not throwing anything underthe bus here, but like just
different energetics.
Coach Carlie (13:52):
Yeah, it sounds it sounds more what I'm familiar
with as being kinesiology.
So that that kinesiologists willwill test, you know, you kind of
hold your arm out and then youknow, some resistance.
And yeah.
So clearly this is this haswoken some stuff up for you.
SPEAKER_00 (14:09):
Yeah.
And so essentially she was theone who said, Are you familiar
with sauna therapy?
And I said, Well, I everybodyknows what a sauna is.
I grew up in Wisconsin, ofcourse I do.
And she said, Well, we're gonnahave we're gonna talk about some
different ways in which thatwe're gonna start detoxing the
body, but you've got to getthese metals out.
She's like, You're you're introuble.
Like this is not uh, this is notideal.
(14:30):
And um, so we started talking alittle bit about some
neurological issues that couldcome up.
And sure enough, some of thethings that she was suggesting
of talking about, I wasexperiencing like memory loss
and some things, but just somethings I had kind of written
off.
But it's like, oh, okay, sleepdisruption, you know, fatigue,
uh, memory loss, feeling likeyou're in a fog, you know, like
(14:52):
your head weight's a thousandpounds.
Like I was experiencing allthese things, but I didn't
realize it.
So I think what's interesting islike we can get comfortable.
Coach Carlie (15:00):
It's almost your norm, right?
SPEAKER_00 (15:02):
We can get comfortable managing something
until we realize that it's notnormal or that it gets
corrected, or somebody points itout and it's like, oh yeah,
actually that isn't normal.
So she's actually the one who,again, you know, this opened up
the doors of infrared saunas forme.
And I started down the path ofnow I'm like blinders on.
(15:22):
First of all, I left that place.
I gave her the hugest hug, andwe've been friends ever since,
obviously.
But I remember leaving feelingso empowered.
I was scared.
I was like, where did thesemetals come from?
Like all these emotions weregoing on, but I was like, I
found somebody that I can trustthat I can like I've got a
(15:45):
ground zero pivot point where Ican come back to for different
measurements and different wways in which I can I can fix
this.
And she's gonna help me.
And that's what she said.
She's like, we can fix this,it's no problem.
We see this all the time.
It's environment, you know,probably some environmental
toxicity stuff.
And here are some of the thingswe're gonna do.
And so that kind of set me on mypath of like, I am so intrigued
(16:11):
on how the human body works andhow to open up these detox
pathways, how I can improve mysleep, what do I need to do to
feel better?
All the things.
So that's kind of the that'sthat's what set me on the path
in a nutshell.
Coach Carlie (16:27):
Um amazing.
Did she do any, just out of mynutrition curiosity brain, did
she do any chelating therapies,or did she mostly send you into
more sauna-based detoxification?
Like, did you take anythingorally at all?
SPEAKER_00 (16:41):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, we did some chelation.
Um, I'll be honest, like tothink back, this is probably one
of the most common questions Iget asked.
And I probably should actuallyjust maybe go back and ask her
because I'm sure she has arecord of it.
But like, what did I do exactlyto start the process of the
metals?
I will say that when I leftthere that day, there were a
handful of things, and I reallyappreciated the fact that she
(17:02):
didn't give me a thousand thingsto do because I felt very
overwhelmed with the informationthat she was giving me.
But she gave me a few things todo.
First thing was is that wetalked about my diet and some of
the food I was eating.
She immediately wanted to knowlike my sugar consumption and my
eating habits, and I had toclean some things up.
(17:23):
For example, evening snacking,you know, I had a problem with
eating ice cream.
I was kind of like, that waskind of a go-to thing.
There were a few habits thatwere not serving me well.
And she very much looked me inthe eye and said, if you want to
heal and you want to get better,you're gonna need to set that
stuff down.
She's like, You're gonna need tobreak up with ice cream.
And I was like, okay, all right,I can do that.
(17:45):
Um, so she gave me a handful ofthings to get rid of ice cream,
snacking.
I needed some more greens.
She really wanted me tointroduce some more um
nutrient-dense like greens.
Um, cilantro was one that Iremember, you know, just getting
some more uh like cabbage andvegetables and things in.
So I needed to clean up my diet,which I knew I needed to
(18:07):
anyways, but she just reallygave me the resources to do so,
and some specific foods thatwere really good um for
detoxification.
So the food was one.
She really uh one other thing Ican say for sure was that I told
her that I had a TV in my roomand that I would fall to sleep
to a TV.
Because she was asking all thequestions, like, walk me through
(18:29):
your life.
And I was it's like from morningtill night.
And the TV in the bedroom wasone of the things she said, get
rid of it.
She's like, You you cannot bestaring at screens and expect
that that melaton, like yourbrain, you're sending a signal
to the brain to wake up.
No, I know for a lot of peoplelistening, a lot of people are
like, Well, it makes my eyestired.
Okay, yeah, it probably makesbut it make your eyes tired, but
(18:51):
really actually what it's doing,it's putting strain on the
brain.
And so she's like, you have tostop watching TV at night.
Like, that's not a way to go tosleep.
She's like, either take the TVout of the bedroom or watch TV
in the living room.
And when it's time to go to bed,you need to shut it down.
No phones, no blue light, youknow, read, meditate, whatever
it is you need to do, sit withyourself.
But she said, no TV going tobed.
(19:13):
And I was like, hmm,interesting.
Okay.
Um, so that was another thingthat I had to change.
And to this day, I don't, Ihaven't had TV in my bedroom
since.
Like it's just that made such ahuge difference.
And then to answer your questionback to the supplements, there
were a few key supplements thatI took particularly to bind the
metals.
One was called metal free.
(19:35):
And that was, I believe, uh thecompany's body health.
I believe they still sell thator they still offer that.
That was a very powerful binder.
And I was taking anothersupplement from Standard Process
called Thytrophine, which wasreally supportive for the
thyroid, and then a few otherspecific heelators that she
started me on.
But I would see her every twoweeks and we would dose and we
(19:56):
would test and we would dose andwe would test.
And we were really just likelistening to the body and
letting the body tell the storyand say what it likes, what it
needs, and what it doesn't need.
So um, it was just fascinatingto me.
It was absolutely fascinating.
Such a cool journey.
Coach Carlie (20:14):
Oh my goodness.
So, okay, so let's get into thesaunas.
So you're in, because you're inWisconsin, and like you said,
you're no stranger to needing tostay warm.
Did you start into like aregular sauna or did you go into
infrared sauna?
Because I know you're really bigon infrared.
So talk a little bit about yourjourney with that, and then
leaning into like pros and consmaybe of each and how that fit
(20:38):
into your process.
SPEAKER_00 (20:41):
So, yes, Wisconsin, like saunas were not new to me.
You know, heat therapy has beenaround forever.
It's ancient wisdom, right?
Most people know sauna bathing,it's fantastic, purging,
detoxing, so many beautifullongevity studies on sauna
therapy.
One of the things that changedmy life was Ashley invited me to
go with her to an event inCalifornia.
(21:03):
Um, it was an event forpractitioners, and she was
allowed to bring a guest and I,and she asked me if I would go.
I think she was just, we becamefast friends, but she was also
kind of enamored at my casebecause the levels of metal in
my body and and how I wasfunctioning and tolerating it
was, I think, very interestingto her.
Um, looking back at it now, Imean, we're it was very scary,
quite honest, but she keptsaying, like, I don't know how
(21:25):
you're functioning.
And as you know, fast forward,we'll get to it.
I did end up, I had a stroke andwas paralyzed on the left side
for a few years.
So this journey was a bumpy one,and we'll get into that in a
minute.
Um, that actually started, thathappened after I started
therapies and started workingwith the detox.
But Ashley invited me to go toCalifornia and attend this
event, and it completely openedmy eyes.
(21:46):
It was a whole event ondetoxification.
There was, there was holisticdentists there.
There was all these differentways in which that you could
look at the body as a holisticenergetic being.
There were practitioners thereteaching on the different ways
in which you can use energy.
Energy healing, um light energy,all these different modalities
on how just out I don't want tosay outside of mainstream, but
(22:08):
it was just all under one roof.
And infrared clear lightinfrared saunas was one of the
speakers and vendors there.
And they had a sauna on uhdisplay so that you could sit in
it and use it.
And so while we were there, andAshley had educated me a little
bit because she had said youneed an infrared sauna, and
here's why.
An infrared sauna is a lightenergy that actually is so
(22:31):
similar to the sun, but withoutdangerous UV, it's actually
sending a light energy into thebody, uh penetrates through the
skin and muscle tissue about aninch, inch and a half or so,
depending on the wavelength andthe sauna, of course.
And the purpose is to elevateyour core body temperature so
that you sweat from the insideout, versus a traditional sauna
heats the airspace.
So it stops at skin surfacelevel.
(22:53):
And so it's a different heatapplication.
And in my opinion, there's noright or wrong.
There's no good or bad.
There's no one better over theother, in my opinion.
I just think they have benefitsof each, they each have their
own benefit.
For my case, in the sense ofdetoxing heavy metals and like
actually tapping into the fatcells where these metals were
(23:13):
hanging out in the cellularsystem, I needed the light
energy to actually tap into thebody, raise my core temperature
about two to three degrees.
So essentially self-inducing afever and pushing the metals
out, forcing, forcing thelymphatic system to do its job,
because that was also part of myproblem was the metabolism
wasn't firing.
(23:33):
The lymph no, the lymph systemwasn't working.
Like the best way I coulddescribe it, and Ashley always
says, she's like, Your system issludged up, everything's backed
up.
Like we need to just get thingsmoving and working out.
I wasn't even breaking a sweatworking out.
And so we knew something wasn'tfunctioning right.
So the infrared essentiallyelevates core body, forcing the
(23:55):
body to sweat, gets the bloodflow going, vasal dilation,
circulation is moving, and thetemperatures are a bit lower.
Generally, uh traditional saunaslike 170 to 200 degrees, some
are even as hot as 220 if you'repouring the water on the hot
rocks, which I love, by the way.
Um, I'm a heat warrior all daylong.
This was a different way inwhich I could put less stress on
(24:17):
my body.
So not the high heat, heavy,hard debris steam.
I literally just needed to sitthere, which is easy.
And the light energy was goingto do the work.
And so I also, Clear Light wasalso speaking at that event and
really just, you know, did amuch better description of what
I just shared, but ultimatelyyou know, really talked about
(24:39):
how our energetic light beanswork with this light energy and
how it's a perfect harmoniousmatch in order for the body to
release and open up these detoxpathways.
So I sat in the sauna for fiveor 10 minutes.
It felt amazing.
I felt like, you know, ofcourse, I didn't break a sweat
and I didn't do a full session,but I remember sitting in that
(25:02):
sauna for the first time.
In fact, I have a picture of itstill on my phone to this day.
I remember sitting in that saunathinking, this feels like a
healing sanctuary to me.
So it felt different.
It it felt like a space where Icould go, where I could go and
(25:23):
be with myself and sit withmyself and really release.
And yes, there were medals, butI don't know how to describe it,
Chris.
Like we were at this venue,right?
There's people everywhere, butwe went in, they had music
playing.
It was like Native Americanflute music or something.
It was like the most peace, likesomething you hear at a spa.
(25:44):
And I remember just sitting inthere and like feeling the
warmth.
And I was like, oh, this is whatmy body needs.
This is what my body needs.
Okay.
And so, I mean, the rest ishistory.
Got a sauna, came home, startedusing it.
The protocol was to use it everyday for a period of time,
pairing it with some of thesupplements, hydration, you
(26:08):
know, and then and then thewheel just started.
Like the wheel, the wellnesswheel just started slowly but
surely down this hill ofprogression.
So that is how I found in FredSaunas.
Coach Carlie (26:23):
Yeah, no, that's so cool.
Uh well, what I appreciate aboutthat story is that there was a
level of awareness that you wereable to tap into to say this
feels good.
And I think, especially in thepopulation that we're speaking
to, is hard-driving enduranceathletes, high achievers, like
(26:47):
go, go, go, ignore everything,including the fact that you're
not sleeping well or that you'rein pain, or that something just
doesn't feel right.
SPEAKER_00 (26:57):
Yeah.
Coach Carlie (26:58):
That it is good to be aware and to tap into what
your body is telling you.
And I also find thatfascinating, sort of circling
back to that gentleman in thebar who was like, I'm gonna make
you feel something.
And boy, did you feel somethingand and set you onto this path
(27:19):
of starting to tune in.
I'm always fascinated, also,like you had mentioned, like
Ashley saying, How are youfunctioning?
I've seen some labs like that.
I'm like, literally, yeah, howare you functioning?
Like, I don't, you know, thesethese numbers are bananas.
Alarming.
SPEAKER_00 (27:38):
Yeah, that's what she said.
And I was like, Well, my momalways said I was a high
achiever.
I'm like, I guess I'm a reallygood sick person too.
I don't know.
Uh, I don't know how I wasfunctioning.
Um, the best way I can describeit is that you just keep going.
And like I said, at the time, Iwas in a hustle and grind job.
(27:58):
Like you just don't stop.
And so, to your point, I thinkthat's what was really uh
interesting in that moment whenI sat in the sauna for the first
time and was like, I kind ofjust checked out of everything
else and just tuned in for justfive minutes.
I just tuned into myself and I'mlike, yeah, this feels good.
(28:23):
This feels like something mybody needs and the quiet and the
disconnection.
Like, I've always been a natureperson.
Like I take solo trips, like Ido, you know, I'm a very solo
person and can be in my ownquiet.
I love it.
But there was something aboutthis where it was the mind-body
connection for some reason.
It felt different.
And the light energy does that.
(28:44):
Like, that's something I mean,if you listen to my show, I'm
constantly talking about likeyour sauna is just not a hot box
for you to go in and sweat.
It's like sit in meditation,like pray, like listen to
yourself, like sit with yourselfand think about what do I need
to do today?
How do I want to feel?
Like, don't make it anothertask, another thing you need to
(29:06):
do.
Like, really tap into what isgoing on with your body.
And what I found is after,because of that feeling that I
felt that day, sitting in thesauna for the first time, every
time I sat in it afterwards athome, like I remembered to
remember.
(29:27):
Yes.
I remembered to remember that Iwasn't gonna bring a bunch of
noise into the sauna with me.
It was going to be this is gonnabe my gen time, like serious gen
time.
And that is what I mean, theheat therapy, yes, it detoxed
me.
I lost over 100 pounds, youknow, it, you know, all of these
(29:47):
beautiful physical thingshappened, the metals were
removed, everything.
But what really happened in thathot box, Chris, was that I found
myself.
I found myself.
I listened to my heartbeat, Ilistened to my body on days when
I needed to turn the temperaturedown a little bit, I honored
that and I turned it down.
If I had to open the door alittle bit, I opened the door
(30:08):
and got some fresh air insteadof like hustling and muscling
through it.
If I, if I needed to sit therefor an extra 10 minutes and cry,
because I would, I mean, whichis always happens in the sauna
because you're crying and you'rereleasing and you're just like,
oh, no one's watching, just likelet it go.
But it was, it just became thisrelease and this like so call it
detoxification, but it was likethis purge and this release of
(30:31):
everything.
And then I started getting clearon like, do I really like my
job?
Am I really happy in thismarriage?
Like, what's going on?
Like, we can do a whole show onlike what I did after, you know.
But it's like it really got metuned in to my mind, my heart,
my body.
Like, how did I get myself intothis space?
(30:51):
How am I functioning withMercury sitting on my brain at a
level of which I should die?
And which, of course, you know,as I said, I had a stroke.
It ultimately did create asituation, too much stress
because I did make some verywicked changes in my life.
Um, got divorced, quit the job,did all these things, slung
myself into entrepreneurship.
You know, next lesson for me wasokay, I did all these
(31:15):
detoxification things, but I dida little too much at one time.
The body let me know it.
That's another warning shot.
You know, fast forward, thatjust set me on another path of
some more healing, more journey,you know, more things.
But really, what mydetoxification process truly was
(31:36):
about was just like coming hometo myself and really
understanding what was notserving me and like live
literally living in my body andhow how I needed to remove it.
Coach Carlie (31:47):
Oh, that's that like gives me chills.
So good.
You had mentioned that Ashleywanted your sleep routine to be
better and to remove your TB.
And then you're mentioning howin the infrared sauna it's your
gen time.
So tell me a little bit aboutdigital detox.
(32:08):
Is that a clear boundary thatyou have for yourself or your
loved ones, for your space?
And what does that look like?
SPEAKER_00 (32:18):
Yeah, great question.
So, one of the things, I thinkone of the biggest overarching,
beautiful things that happenedin all of this, even the stroke,
like I'm grateful for all of it,was that over the last 15, 16
years, however many years it'sbeen now, is I have created, I
(32:38):
have leaned into understandingthat our home is our sanctuary
space.
And that, you know, I travel allover, you know, we're on planes,
we're here, we're there, butlike home base for me needs to
be sanctuary.
And so I have spent a lot oftime and money and energy into
harmonizing my home into a spacein which it's literally a
(33:00):
healing space everywhere in ourhouse.
And so I don't live like anomad.
I don't live in a year with notechnology.
Obviously, I'm in my office andwe have this, you know, I have
all this stuff, you know, toproduce.
But there are very clearboundaries that I realized that
I needed to create for myself.
The TV was just one of them.
That was just the start.
(33:20):
But what that did was it kickedthe door open for me to
understand where else am Icompletely like sucking the
energy out of my life?
Like, where else are theseelectronics in my home?
Where's the router for our Wi-Fisystem?
Like, where's the smart meter?
If the smart meter is up againstyour bedrooms or your kiddos'
bedrooms, like figure out waysin which that you can deter
(33:43):
those frequencies becausethey're constantly pinging us,
pinging, pinging, pinging, likelife-sucking energy out of us.
So I started moving myselfaround my entire house and just
doing different things indifferent areas of the different
areas of the home to harmonizeit.
And when I say harmonize it, Ijust mean minimize EMFs,
minimize the exposure, and thencreate very clear areas where
(34:05):
there's no EMF, which is ourmap, like our bedroom.
There's no TV, no electronics,like the Wi-Fi, everything is
completely on the other side ofthe house.
I have different crystals andstones and things for
mitigation.
Um, we have it, I have an oldschool alarm clock, the sunrise
alarm clock.
So if I have to wake up, I wakeup to the birds chirping and
it's just run off of a batteryand plugs into the wall.
Literally no electronics in mybedroom anywhere near it.
(34:30):
And my husband, who, you know,likes to sometimes break the
rules and bring his phone in thebedroom a little bit just to do
some what I call doom scrollingbefore night once in a while,
like that's fine.
But that phone is gonna go backout of the room when we go to
sleep.
That that is a hundred percentboundary.
And anybody who knows me, evenmy mom, when I go to her house,
(34:50):
like that's a wicked boundarythat I set because when I go to
sleep, my body is resting andrestoring.
It's recharging its batteries,resting, digesting.
I'm asking the body to work forme when I'm resting.
What I don't need to do is giveit 75 hurdles and a ring of fire
to jump through while doing it.
Because if I do, I'm gonna wakeup mediocre or I'm gonna wake up
(35:12):
tired because the body couldn'tdo what God asked it to do or
just given us to do.
So you give it the tools or youremove some of these tools that
are around our home and give itthe space to create and give it
the space to feel good.
I mean, I can tell you within aweek or two of not having a TV
(35:35):
in my room, I did feel morerested.
When you start tuning into thesethings and you're like, hmm,
yeah, I actually woke up and Ididn't have a headache, or I
actually woke up and my I couldopen my eyes instead of like
peeling them open.
It completely makes adifference.
And so, yeah, that's anon-negotiable.
Anybody guests who come to ourhome, you know, there's certain
(35:56):
things, you know, we don't havelike TVs, we have no smart
devices.
Like, I shouldn't say no, wehave a couple smart TVs, but
very few devices in this house.
Like it's it's harmonized to ina way where you walk in here and
it's feels different than mostplaces, I would say, because
I've energetically created aspace where we're not being
(36:19):
pinged all the time.
Coach Carlie (36:21):
That's so cool.
And I'm I'm glad you mentionedthat because we were talking
about this before we came on thepodcast.
I was like, oh, we need to startrecording.
I think that that is somethingthat we are likely trained out
of recognizing is the energy ina space.
SPEAKER_00 (36:39):
Yep.
Coach Carlie (36:40):
So, I mean, I'll give you guys an example.
Like, if you walk into like abig conference room and there's
a lot of people, like you canfeel that there is a certain
energy in there.
It doesn't necessarily have tobe bad or good, it's just a
different energy, right?
And then let's say you walk intosomebody's house and they're
arguing, like you can feel thatenergy.
(37:03):
And you know, granted, perhapssome people are less intuitive
than others, and that's fine.
But I also think that part ofthat is training that we have
trained ourselves out ofrecognizing some of those things
and like trusting our gut andtrusting our intuition and
sensing whether a place feelsright to us.
(37:23):
So your house sounds amazing.
It sounds like it's one of thosethat you just like you just go,
it's like walking to a spa, youknow, we're just like, oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (37:34):
Well, that's what it is.
And that's honestly like I'm soglad you brought that up because
that's actually what I tellpeople.
They're like, oh, your housesounds fabulous.
And I'm like, but everybody'shouse can do it.
It's literally like we pay to goto the spa.
Why don't we just create itunder our roof?
Like, I want to create a life Idon't need a vacation from.
Like every day is a day at thespa.
(37:54):
I mean, it's not all rainbowsand unicorns over here.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm living regular life, justlike we all are.
But we've created a space umwhere it gives us the tools so
that we can disconnect.
I can tap in when I'm in myoffice.
I'm I'm full, I'm aroundelectronics all day long in my
office, but then the rest of thehouse isn't pinging.
And so what's also interestingto me, too, and you know, I work
(38:20):
with a lot of professionalathletes.
Like I've been in the saunabusiness now for many years,
working in red light therapy.
I've been so grateful.
You know, I quit that corporatejob and I opened up a wellness
center and started, you know,detox and wellness center
started helping people on theirown journey and have been doing
this now for years.
I work with some amazingathletes, professional uh people
of all kinds, celebrities,singers, like people who are
(38:43):
high-level performers and wantlike they need to be on, on, on,
on.
And there's all these tools andthere are all these gadgets,
like the ring, aura rings, andlike all these different things.
And we think that we need all ofthose because we want to collect
the data.
But what I always tell people islike, it's fine to have the
data, but like, where are yougoing to like get away from
(39:04):
that?
Like, when does the body get abreak from all of the things
that you're throwing at it?
Like, most of us, if we look atscreen time or if we look at the
amount of time that we're awayfrom digit, like the digital
detox, so to speak, it is notcommon for people to think that
they can function and livewithout these things.
(39:27):
And I just think I think there'sa shift happening where people
are starting to be get attunedto like they don't want all of
these like gadgets and things inand around them because they can
start to feel that they don'tfeel great around them, lights,
you know, all even all thesedifferent things.
But it's interesting how lesssometimes is better, like just
(39:49):
simplifying it.
And, you know, Morgan, my niece,who I, you know, we've talked a
bit about Morgan as my19-year-old niece that lives
with us.
And, you know, talk about ageneration that's like grow up
on their phones, right?
Like she doesn't even know, youknow, when she came to live here
with us, and I was like, hereare the rules, here's how this
is gonna go.
You're not sleeping with yourphone.
This is the kind of alarm clock.
(40:10):
Like, and she was just likeflatlined, like, what?
What is happening?
Like, no, I I need my phone.
I'm like, no, you actuallydon't.
You actually don't.
And I'm gonna show you how andwhy you actually don't need to
live on this thing or be thattethered to it, because that's
not healthy.
That's a codependency.
So, you know, she would feelanxious about something, or
she'd like have something sheneeded to work on, but like, go
(40:32):
lay out in the grass, go out inthe grass.
So now she knows if she asks mewhat my first qu my first answer
is gonna be, I don't know.
Did you go lay out in the grass?
Did you go lay under the sun andfigure like figure it out?
Like Earth's energy, pulse pulp,pulse pemph energy, it's in the
earth, literally, bare feet,body on the earth.
That's the best charge you'reever gonna get.
Coach Carlie (40:55):
And it's it's not woo.
I know a lot of people might belike, oh, well, whatever.
No, like take a meter, stick itin the ground.
Yeah, there is some definitehealing energy.
SPEAKER_00 (41:09):
Yeah, well, the earth has a heartbeat.
You know, Mother Earth does havea heartbeat.
I don't, I think we can allagree on that.
Um, you know, if you followSchumann resonance, great.
If you don't, look it up, it'sinteresting.
But, you know, the earth has apulse, it has a heartbeat, just
as we do.
And I think when we get backinto rhythm with that, whatever
we're trying to do in your goalsfor training, whether it's jobs
(41:32):
or focus or balancing lifestuff, when we get into rhythm
with that, we feel like we'remore in flow.
We can actually get clear, makebetter decisions.
So that has actually been one ofmy go to's, especially after my
stroke.
I mean, that was another wholelike, oh, interesting.
What I needed, I mean, I spent aton of time like grounding and
earthing, like I had to becauseI was um a stroke is a
(41:56):
neurological condition,obviously.
Uh, and For me, it was actuallyum a couple of things.
It was the metals, the residualfrom some metals.
And then also when I was 15, Iwas uh unfortunately there was
an explosion, an accidentalexplosion that I was a part of
or was witness to, uh, and itwas massive.
I mean, my boyfriend, my then myhigh school sweetheart was
(42:19):
killed that day.
It was very unfortunate, verytraumatic.
I fortunately was somewhatsheltered.
I shouldn't say fortunately,another person.
Uh, I was in an area which I wassheltered from any metal
shrapnel and glass in the blast.
Um, I took very little impactfrom it, but I was thrown about
eight to 10 feet from the impactfrom the from the um blast.
(42:42):
And it was on the right side ofthe brain.
So that was actually the realreason, the real major reason
for the stroke is because I hadmassive brain damage from that
day that went untreated.
It was a massive concussionbecause I was one of the least
injured that day and it waschaos.
Um, I never went to thehospital, I was never treated.
So it turns out after thestroke, we did some MRIs, we did
(43:03):
some things like where did thiscome from?
Combination of the metals andthe stress, but it was the
damage on the brain.
So I just want to clarify that.
So people aren't thinking I hada stroke due to mercury or lead.
It was that was a piece of thepuzzle, but really what it was
was a massive concussion anddamage to the brain that just
was the perfect storm, you know,15 years later.
And so again, getting grounded,like how do I heal my body?
(43:27):
How can I put it back intorhythm?
And I needed to get back to somebasics.
Coach Carlie (43:33):
So speaking of basics, are there any specific
basic things that you get to doon either a daily basis, a
weekly basis, call it a routine,call it a ritual?
SPEAKER_00 (43:47):
Well, as you know, and as you know, anybody who's
landed on my site or listened tomy show, my house is what I
would consider kind of awellness fortress.
So I have a lot of differentmodalities and things, and I
literally could spend all daydoing a morning routine.
And I think that's where somepeople get hung up a little bit
is like, oh, I need to do allthese things.
You know, some days, you know,maybe like my weekends look a
(44:09):
little different than myweekdays, to be quite honest.
Like I do have somenon-negotiables in the morning
where just consistency is key.
I start with a few things likemy prayer, my meditation, my
gratitude, my grounding, youknow, drinking some water.
Um, lemon, warm lemon water hasbeen something I've been doing
since day one.
Ashley mentioned that to meyears ago.
Just kind of kicks the liver ina little bit when you first get
(44:29):
up in the morning.
So that's definitely justsomething I do to kind of get
the body moving and rolling.
I do sit in a lot of stillnessin the morning.
I like my quiet time.
And uh, I have a machine calledthe brain tap machine that I use
quite frequently.
Actually, that's uh that's alight frequency machine.
I don't know.
Are you familiar with brain tap?
Coach Carlie (44:47):
I am not, but I'm getting introduced to one on
Friday at my chiropractor.
So Oh, you are?
She's got like this littlerecovery room.
She's like, you can use all thethings.
I'm like, I don't even knowwhere to start.
Yes.
And that's going to be my nextquestion.
Like, where do we start if we'relike at ground zero?
Or what might be ground zero?
SPEAKER_00 (45:04):
Yeah.
So, like I said, I guess for me,my routine's a little bit
different because you know, whenyou chase your health backwards,
and this is one of the reasonswhy I've created my show.
This is one of the reasons why Ido what I do, you know, open my
center, continue to teach, islike I chase my health backwards
after I've got it to a level ofapparently I was managing it,
but I it wasn't, it wasn't agood situation.
And so being more proactive andjust kind of putting the hands
(45:26):
on the wheel of your life and,you know, bringing in some of
these modalities are are great,but also just getting clear on
slowing down a little bit andgetting some routines in your
morning to kind of set your day,to set your day so that it's not
chaotic.
I sauna almost every day.
I do cold therapy, whether it bein my cold plunge or I just, you
(45:47):
know, cold cool shower kind ofwakes me up a bit.
Like I said, my grounding and myoutside time.
Something we didn't talk about aton, but I want to mention is
our circadian rhythm.
That was another thing.
Going back to the sleep thing iswhen we're looking at artificial
light, it's it's really sendingsignals to the brain to confuse
it.
And that's just kind of theeasiest way to say it.
(46:09):
So getting our bodies back inharmony with natural sunlight,
um, sunrise and sunset.
You know, years ago she hadmentioned, you know, people love
to see a sunrise and a sunset.
And it's because the red light,the the red, the natural
wavelengths that come off of thesun during that time.
If you can get outside and getyour eyes on sunlight in the
morning, you have no idea howmuch how beneficial that is for
(46:32):
you, just to help balance thehormones, harmonize it.
It's sending the signal to thebody, it's time to wake up, it's
time to be awake and alert forthe day.
And then the same at night is asunset, you know, you're kind of
sending the signal to the bodyto calm down, relax.
It's time for rest and restore,which is again why stimulating
ourselves with TVs and iPads andcomputers and phones after dark,
(46:57):
it's it's sending the wrongsignal to the brain.
So just finding some of theserhythms and and working with
nature and working with thebody, those are really my daily
non-negotiables, actually.
Like if I do nothing else, it'sjust get some sunlight, uh, put
the phones down before bed, youknow, drink plenty of water,
which is great.
But it's just kind of going backto some ancient wisdom, like
(47:20):
ancient legit ancient wisdom.
Coach Carlie (47:24):
That's so cool.
And I was gonna actually ask youlike, what are your three main
takeaways for everybodylistening?
And I think I think you beat meto the punch there.
SPEAKER_00 (47:33):
Oh, three main takeaways.
Yeah, I think you know, anybodywho's interested, the heat
therapy is amazing.
As you know, that's been in mythat that was it saved my life.
And Fred Sauna saved my life.
And I don't say that lightly, itliterally saved my life.
Like I sat in that sauna andwatched the metals pour out of
my body while I sobbed and criedand wondered, how did I get to
(47:54):
this point?
Um, we did find out the uh themercury was coming from cavities
in my mouth, which I'veobviously since had removed and
did that whole chelationprocess, working with a holistic
dentist.
You know, if you're gonna do orgo down that path, make sure
you're finding a dentist thatfollows those protocols.
Very, very important.
A lot of information online.
In fact, I interviewed afantastic whole um dentist,
(48:15):
holistic dentist earlier thisyear that just really talked
about the evolution of thedental industry and why so many
people have mercury, you know,how that is causing issue.
Um, and then the lead, we justdiscovered that was just some
lead-based paint that I wasexposed to and some things that
were environmental.
And so, again, just going intodiscovery and figuring out what
those things are.
(48:36):
But all of this stuff, you know,a lot of different gadgets and
things uh that I've used overthe years.
Um, I've tested a lot of thingsand a lot of things worked, many
of which are, you know, on mywebsite.
But really, my main takeawaysare for people are get back to
basics and eliminate the thingsthat are causing stress and
noise in your life.
What I like to say is on a scaleof one to 10, if it's a five or
(49:00):
higher in the noise category orbringing stress to your life,
you should probably find a wayto set it down, let it go, bless
and release, or find areplacement.
That was huge for my life.
Like I had to get rid of somestress.
Number two was bring in a coupleof key modalities into my home
so they were under my roof.
So I had access to them at alltimes, and I didn't have to be
(49:20):
on someone else's schedule ordeal with traffic or somehow
talk myself into saying I wasn'tgonna put myself on my schedule
today.
If it's under my roof, it's it'savailable to you at all times
and you should be using it.
And so finding out what thosekey things are for you is
important.
And then number three, justprotecting your sleep and your
peace and just getting enoughrest.
(49:41):
I worked myself to the bone andthen was like, oh, why is this,
you know, why is why am Ioverweight?
Why is this not working for me?
It's because I wasn't giving mybody the rest to restore that it
needed to get up and perform forme the next day.
And so those are probably thethree, my three biggest
takeaways.
Coach Carlie (50:00):
Ah, so great.
That was lovely.
Um, all right.
So, Jen, how can people learnmore about you?
Learn more about your show,learn more.
You want to learn more?
SPEAKER_00 (50:11):
That wasn't enough.
Um so my show is Homes thatHeal.
Like I said, it's really just uma lot of great conversations,
some solo shows and some withsome other people that have
helped me along the way.
That's Homes that Heal.
Uh, my website's probably thebest way to find me, jen
HellerLifestyle.com.
That has all my Jen recommendsthings that I have, home health
(50:32):
um books, connections.
You know, if you're looking forthe pe some of the people I've
mentioned today, they're mostlikely on my website.
That's kind of the storefront,if you will, of everything, Jen
Heller.
So Jen Heller Lifestyle.
Coach Carlie (50:45):
That's awesome.
Yeah, because I I feel likepeople can get very overwhelmed
in this space.
And they're like, oh my gosh,how many thousands of dollars am
I gonna spend?
But it sounds like your uh pushis just to protect their sleep,
you know, start small, and thenbecause we've done like kitchen
(51:06):
detoxes with folks and they'relike, oh my gosh, you're asking
me to throw away all my pans andbuy all new pans.
I'm like, well, it can happen.
I think of it like a ball ofwax.
You know, like start small andthen maybe you throw a few away,
maybe you buy one here or onethere, or you know.
But it's like like you had said,it's been a 15 year plus journey
(51:30):
of creating this new space.
So cool.
Awesome.
All right, well, all of yourgoodness will be in the show
notes, and Jen Heller, thank youso much for joining us.
SPEAKER_00 (51:43):
Thank you, Chris.
It's a pleasure.
So if you've ever met someone and they're a total
stranger and yet somehow youfeel like you've shared these
uncanny journeys and have thesesynchronicities that suddenly
you're fast friends.
Well, that's how I feel about myguest today.
Her name is Jen Heller.
She's the host of the Homes ThatHeal podcast.
(02:22):
Now, let me get this straight.
She didn't start there.
And in fact, that's what a lotof today's podcast is about.
Her journey from going tocorporate America to now doing
amazing things for all of herlisteners through this Homes
That Heal podcast.
So when Jen was havingchallenges in her health, she
didn't necessarily set outlooking for holistic or
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unconventional solutions.
In fact, wellness found herafter she had a moment where the
traditional route didn't fullyexplain what was going on in her
body.
This conversation isn't aboutone right way or replacing
conventional medicine.
It's about listening, curiosity,and understanding that every
person's healing journey looksdifferent, especially when
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you're truly ready for change.
So if you're open to learninghow environment, heat therapy,
relationships, and simplelifestyle shifts can support
recovery, sleep, andperformance, this episode will
meet you right where you are.
Let's do it.
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All right.
Welcome back to the Find YourEdge podcast.
I am your host, Coach ChrisNewport, and I am here today
with an amazing guest.
I'm so excited to bring her on.
It's Jen Heller.
And y'all, I'm excited for thisconversation because we we were
just kind of joking that weliterally did a podcast prior to
recording this on somethingprobably totally, maybe totally
(03:55):
different than what we're goingto talk about.
I don't know.
We'll see.
So a little on topic, off topic.
Yeah.
Uh so Jen, you have an amazingpodcast.
It's called Homes That Heal.
And the reason why I wanted tointroduce you to our listeners
is that the home is an amazingspace, and we spend a lot of
(04:18):
time there.
And, you know, for our folks,maybe they're sitting on their
bicycle trainer or on theirtreadmill and being exposed, if
you will, to all these differentthings.
And then, of course, we dogenetic testing and we look and
we see the propensity forpeople's ability to detoxify is
a real thing.
So I wanted to introduceeverybody to Jen and get her to
(04:43):
tell her story and then get alittle bit more into all kinds
of amazing things.
So y'all buckle up.
It's gonna be awesome.
So, Jen, start us off with yourstory.
SPEAKER_00 (04:54):
Oh gosh.
First of all, thank you so muchfor the opportunity.
It's an honor, and we alwayshave so much fun talking.
And, you know, my story, Ialways like to say that wellness
found me.
I wasn't exactly seeking it, tobe quite honest.
I worked in corporate, I wasworking in HR management,
Coca-Cola, you know, very justhustle and grind.
(05:16):
I got that job right out of highschool.
Actually, I started at Coke whenI was 19, went into business
school, like did all the things,got married, um, built a house,
like living kind of like what Iwould say a pretty picture
perfect life, so to speak.
Like we were very happy.
And the one thing that was kindof in the background was like my
health.
I wouldn't say like growing up,I was I was not a thin child.
(05:38):
I I I was always kind of chunkyor stout or stocky, but
something changed in my 20s andin my late teens and 20s, and I
was gaining a significant amountof weight.
And I I just couldn't quitefigure out why, um, other than I
knew I was just like I had a jobwhere I was sitting a lot.
And so um I just kind of chalkedit up to that.
(06:00):
And I didn't really think toomuch of it, but I was actually
secretly struggling a lot, likejust really, ugh, I mean
swimsuit shopping, you know,hanging out with girlfriends.
I wasn't feeling comfortable inmy own skin.
And so one day I decided I wasgoing to dig a little bit deeper
into how I could, you know, loseweight.
(06:22):
I tried all the things, ofcourse.
I mean, if Walgreens had a punchcard for weight loss pills, I
definitely, you know, maxed thatout.
But something shifted in me.
And I guess, I mean, the realoverarching the catalyst for it
was one night I was out withsome girlfriends.
We were at a bar, um, havingsome drinks, having some fun,
and a stranger came up to me andhe was drunk.
(06:43):
So, you know, you could youcould chalk it up as whatever.
But this guy just startedcalling me fat, calling me fat
over and over and over and allthese names.
And he just kept using the termfat.
And I was, he was actually beingrude to the bartender.
He was just like one of thosebelligerent people in the bar
that everyone's like, what isthis guy doing?
Like, who?
But for some reason, he lockedeyes with me.
(07:07):
And we, I was just like, I knewthe bar owner, and I was like,
You're not gonna act like thisin my friend's bar.
Like, we locked eyes and just hetore into me and embarrassed me
in front of everybody and justkind of shredded me on my
personal appearance.
And Chris, I went into thebathroom.
I was like, I'm fine, I'm fine.
I'm like, I just took a minute,I went into the bathroom, and
(07:30):
something in me completelyshifted, and I just bust into
tears.
And I just like did the wholelike back up against the
bathroom wall, slid down to thefloor, and just started sobbing
in my sweatshirt, which arm,like I something I was shaking.
Something in me was like this onthis perfect stranger sees
(07:52):
somebody that like I'm afraidof, right?
Like I just felt so out of body.
That was actually the pivotalpoint for me to the next day.
I was like, I am going to becomethe CEO of my health.
Like, I am going to decide thatI'm gonna figure out how I can
lose weight and get healthierand be healthier.
So I made some appointments withthe doctor, I got some blood
(08:15):
work done and just startedcollecting data, collecting
information.
And I I I convinced myself therehad to be something wrong with
me.
And and so I was looking forthose answers.
So all this blood work cameback, and the doctor said
basically, like, well, you havea thyroid issue, and you're but
(08:35):
everything else seems to beokay.
Maybe we should take yourthyroid out and have certain,
you know, remove your thyroid.
Something seems to be amiss, anduh, and then we'll go from
there.
And I just thought, I remembergoing out to my car and sitting
in the parking lot and startedcrying.
I was like 20, I don't evenknow, 26, 27 at this time.
And I remember thinking, like,God gave me a thyroid.
(08:57):
Like, why would somebody wantto, why would they cut it out?
Like they didn't even give me ananswer for that.
And I just thought, well, whatwould be the purpose of that?
And the explanation was I waslike, well, your body's not
detoxing properly, yourmetabolism's sludged up, like
your whole system isn't working.
This is what we need to do.
And I just thought, what do youmean my body's not detoxing?
(09:17):
Like, I I don't, I don't, Idon't understand that.
I I want more information.
And they just couldn't give itto me.
So I just decided that I wasn'tgonna do that surgery.
And I was telling one of mygirlfriends um that night, I was
like, I'm like, I just can't, Idon't understand.
Like, do you just take likeforgive me for being naive, but
(09:38):
do you just remove organs ifthey're supposedly not working
for you?
Like, I just didn't quiteunderstand.
I've never been in like thescience background.
I was always, you know, uhinterested in other things.
And so I didn't quite understandthe human anatomy.
Like, how does this work?
And so my girlfriend was like,hmm, that's interesting.
She's like, I have this friend,or I have this friend in
(10:00):
resources clinic here in townthat does nutrition response
testing, NRT.
Have you ever heard of it?
And I was like, no, what isthat?
And she said, Well, my husbandis going to see her, this woman,
her name is Ashley, because hehas Lyme disease, and his body
is not processing, you know,like there's some detoxification
and some issues going on, andhe's been struggling.
(10:22):
Well, here I'd been friends withthis woman for 15 years.
I did not know her husband hadLyme disease.
Like, so this was the firstconversation.
So she starts opening up to meabout some of the struggles and
what he's been going through.
And I so we just had this reallygreat, vulnerable, open
conversation about how, youknow, another path, right?
(10:43):
A different way of which youcould test the body.
And so I didn't know what NRTwas.
Um, I went home that night.
She's like, Well, I happen tohave one of these cards for a
free consult.
If you're interested, you couldgo see her and just see what
happens, right?
And I was like, okay, maybe I'llmaybe I'll check that out.
So I went home that night,looked into NRT, which I said is
nutrition response testing.
(11:03):
Okay, well, full disclosure, I'mnot of a practitioner of NRT, so
I'm gonna probably butcher thisdescription.
So I'm gonna give you the bestdescription on how it was used
for me or how it was explainedto me.
So I made an appointment on herschedule and went into her
office.
And I'll I'll be honest, Ididn't really tell her a whole
lot about my symptoms and what Iwas struggling with.
I just thought, I'm gonna see ifshe can figure out like what's
(11:26):
going on.
Maybe I want to see if she comesto the thyroid.
Like I want to kind of see.
I basically said, I'moverweight, because at this
point I was over 100 poundsoverweight.
I was like, well, I'moverweight, obviously.
I've got some unhealthy habits,I need some help, and I want to
lose weight.
She's like, okay, get on thetable.
Basically, like just kind ofimagine like a massage table.
You're laying on your back, putyour arm up, your right arm up,
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and she proceeds to go through.
She's like, I'm gonna use yourarm as the gauge.
And um, she's like, just holdstrength.
She's like, your job is just tohold the strength, and I'm gonna
use your arm and push on it, andyou just continue to resist me.
You basically are workingagainst me.
And I was like, okay, I can dothat.
So she wasn't talking a lot, andso we went through this whole
(12:08):
five, 10, 15-minute analysis,and she's putting all these
different things on my body,like all these little vials.
And I'm like, Well, I don't knowwhat that is, but interesting.
I'm just gonna let her carry on.
And all of a sudden, she put uha couple of vials like on my
chest, my arm was straight up inthe air, and all of a sudden it
just boom, it like drops down.
(12:29):
Like I couldn't control it.
I I felt it and I was like, ooh,that's interesting.
What is that?
And she's like, Oh, she's like,You felt that?
And I'm like, Yeah, what wasthat?
I'm like, do that again.
And so we did it again.
Fast forward, turns out it waslead and mercury, it was two
different heavy metals.
And she said, Um, again, this islike 15, 16 years ago, so I
(12:53):
don't, I'm just you know,ad-libbing here.
But um, she was basically like,Do you do you have any major
exposure to mercury and leadthat you're aware of?
And I said, No, not that I'maware of.
Why what's going on?
And she put her hands right hereon my thyroid.
And as soon as she put her handson my thyroid, my arm went down.
Like I couldn't control it.
Like she pushed it down and Icouldn't hold it up.
And she's like, Well, she'slike, You have heavy metal
(13:14):
toxicity.
It's trashed your thyroid, it'scrossed the blood brain barrier.
And she just went on and, youknow, she's like, You, she's
like, This is probably one ofthe highest levels I've ever
seen.
She's like, You're in trouble.
And I was like, Oh, okay,interesting.
Uh, you know, so now I'm justlike speechless, and I'm like,
okay, well, what do I do?
(13:35):
So again, fast forward.
So that was basically the thecatalyst for me to a understand
there's another path and way inwhich you can test the body,
work with the body, understandwhat's going on, versus just
using blood work, right?
Not not throwing anything underthe bus here, but like just
different energetics.
Coach Carlie (13:52):
Yeah, it sounds it sounds more what I'm familiar
with as being kinesiology.
So that that kinesiologists willwill test, you know, you kind of
hold your arm out and then youknow, some resistance.
And yeah.
So clearly this is this haswoken some stuff up for you.
SPEAKER_00 (14:09):
Yeah.
And so essentially she was theone who said, Are you familiar
with sauna therapy?
And I said, Well, I everybodyknows what a sauna is.
I grew up in Wisconsin, ofcourse I do.
And she said, Well, we're gonnahave we're gonna talk about some
different ways in which thatwe're gonna start detoxing the
body, but you've got to getthese metals out.
She's like, You're you're introuble.
Like this is not uh, this is notideal.
(14:30):
And um, so we started talking alittle bit about some
neurological issues that couldcome up.
And sure enough, some of thethings that she was suggesting
of talking about, I wasexperiencing like memory loss
and some things, but just somethings I had kind of written
off.
But it's like, oh, okay, sleepdisruption, you know, fatigue,
uh, memory loss, feeling likeyou're in a fog, you know, like
(14:52):
your head weight's a thousandpounds.
Like I was experiencing allthese things, but I didn't
realize it.
So I think what's interesting islike we can get comfortable.
Coach Carlie (15:00):
It's almost your norm, right?
SPEAKER_00 (15:02):
We can get comfortable managing something
until we realize that it's notnormal or that it gets
corrected, or somebody points itout and it's like, oh yeah,
actually that isn't normal.
So she's actually the one who,again, you know, this opened up
the doors of infrared saunas forme.
And I started down the path ofnow I'm like blinders on.
(15:22):
First of all, I left that place.
I gave her the hugest hug, andwe've been friends ever since,
obviously.
But I remember leaving feelingso empowered.
I was scared.
I was like, where did thesemetals come from?
Like all these emotions weregoing on, but I was like, I
found somebody that I can trustthat I can like I've got a
(15:45):
ground zero pivot point where Ican come back to for different
measurements and different wways in which I can I can fix
this.
And she's gonna help me.
And that's what she said.
She's like, we can fix this,it's no problem.
We see this all the time.
It's environment, you know,probably some environmental
toxicity stuff.
And here are some of the thingswe're gonna do.
And so that kind of set me on mypath of like, I am so intrigued
(16:11):
on how the human body works andhow to open up these detox
pathways, how I can improve mysleep, what do I need to do to
feel better?
All the things.
So that's kind of the that'sthat's what set me on the path
in a nutshell.
Coach Carlie (16:27):
Um amazing.
Did she do any, just out of mynutrition curiosity brain, did
she do any chelating therapies,or did she mostly send you into
more sauna-based detoxification?
Like, did you take anythingorally at all?
SPEAKER_00 (16:41):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, we did some chelation.
Um, I'll be honest, like tothink back, this is probably one
of the most common questions Iget asked.
And I probably should actuallyjust maybe go back and ask her
because I'm sure she has arecord of it.
But like, what did I do exactlyto start the process of the
metals?
I will say that when I leftthere that day, there were a
handful of things, and I reallyappreciated the fact that she
(17:02):
didn't give me a thousand thingsto do because I felt very
overwhelmed with the informationthat she was giving me.
But she gave me a few things todo.
First thing was is that wetalked about my diet and some of
the food I was eating.
She immediately wanted to knowlike my sugar consumption and my
eating habits, and I had toclean some things up.
(17:23):
For example, evening snacking,you know, I had a problem with
eating ice cream.
I was kind of like, that waskind of a go-to thing.
There were a few habits thatwere not serving me well.
And she very much looked me inthe eye and said, if you want to
heal and you want to get better,you're gonna need to set that
stuff down.
She's like, You're gonna need tobreak up with ice cream.
And I was like, okay, all right,I can do that.
(17:45):
Um, so she gave me a handful ofthings to get rid of ice cream,
snacking.
I needed some more greens.
She really wanted me tointroduce some more um
nutrient-dense like greens.
Um, cilantro was one that Iremember, you know, just getting
some more uh like cabbage andvegetables and things in.
So I needed to clean up my diet,which I knew I needed to
(18:07):
anyways, but she just reallygave me the resources to do so,
and some specific foods thatwere really good um for
detoxification.
So the food was one.
She really uh one other thing Ican say for sure was that I told
her that I had a TV in my roomand that I would fall to sleep
to a TV.
Because she was asking all thequestions, like, walk me through
(18:29):
your life.
And I was it's like from morningtill night.
And the TV in the bedroom wasone of the things she said, get
rid of it.
She's like, You you cannot bestaring at screens and expect
that that melaton, like yourbrain, you're sending a signal
to the brain to wake up.
No, I know for a lot of peoplelistening, a lot of people are
like, Well, it makes my eyestired.
Okay, yeah, it probably makesbut it make your eyes tired, but
(18:51):
really actually what it's doing,it's putting strain on the
brain.
And so she's like, you have tostop watching TV at night.
Like, that's not a way to go tosleep.
She's like, either take the TVout of the bedroom or watch TV
in the living room.
And when it's time to go to bed,you need to shut it down.
No phones, no blue light, youknow, read, meditate, whatever
it is you need to do, sit withyourself.
But she said, no TV going tobed.
(19:13):
And I was like, hmm,interesting.
Okay.
Um, so that was another thingthat I had to change.
And to this day, I don't, Ihaven't had TV in my bedroom
since.
Like it's just that made such ahuge difference.
And then to answer your questionback to the supplements, there
were a few key supplements thatI took particularly to bind the
metals.
One was called metal free.
(19:35):
And that was, I believe, uh thecompany's body health.
I believe they still sell thator they still offer that.
That was a very powerful binder.
And I was taking anothersupplement from Standard Process
called Thytrophine, which wasreally supportive for the
thyroid, and then a few otherspecific heelators that she
started me on.
But I would see her every twoweeks and we would dose and we
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would test and we would dose andwe would test.
And we were really just likelistening to the body and
letting the body tell the storyand say what it likes, what it
needs, and what it doesn't need.
So um, it was just fascinatingto me.
It was absolutely fascinating.
Such a cool journey.
Coach Carlie (20:14):
Oh my goodness.
So, okay, so let's get into thesaunas.
So you're in, because you're inWisconsin, and like you said,
you're no stranger to needing tostay warm.
Did you start into like aregular sauna or did you go into
infrared sauna?
Because I know you're really bigon infrared.
So talk a little bit about yourjourney with that, and then
leaning into like pros and consmaybe of each and how that fit
(20:38):
into your process.
SPEAKER_00 (20:41):
So, yes, Wisconsin, like saunas were not new to me.
You know, heat therapy has beenaround forever.
It's ancient wisdom, right?
Most people know sauna bathing,it's fantastic, purging,
detoxing, so many beautifullongevity studies on sauna
therapy.
One of the things that changedmy life was Ashley invited me to
go with her to an event inCalifornia.
(21:03):
Um, it was an event forpractitioners, and she was
allowed to bring a guest and I,and she asked me if I would go.
I think she was just, we becamefast friends, but she was also
kind of enamored at my casebecause the levels of metal in
my body and and how I wasfunctioning and tolerating it
was, I think, very interestingto her.
Um, looking back at it now, Imean, we're it was very scary,
quite honest, but she keptsaying, like, I don't know how
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you're functioning.
And as you know, fast forward,we'll get to it.
I did end up, I had a stroke andwas paralyzed on the left side
for a few years.
So this journey was a bumpy one,and we'll get into that in a
minute.
Um, that actually started, thathappened after I started
therapies and started workingwith the detox.
But Ashley invited me to go toCalifornia and attend this
event, and it completely openedmy eyes.
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It was a whole event ondetoxification.
There was, there was holisticdentists there.
There was all these differentways in which that you could
look at the body as a holisticenergetic being.
There were practitioners thereteaching on the different ways
in which you can use energy.
Energy healing, um light energy,all these different modalities
on how just out I don't want tosay outside of mainstream, but
(22:08):
it was just all under one roof.
And infrared clear lightinfrared saunas was one of the
speakers and vendors there.
And they had a sauna on uhdisplay so that you could sit in
it and use it.
And so while we were there, andAshley had educated me a little
bit because she had said youneed an infrared sauna, and
here's why.
An infrared sauna is a lightenergy that actually is so
(22:31):
similar to the sun, but withoutdangerous UV, it's actually
sending a light energy into thebody, uh penetrates through the
skin and muscle tissue about aninch, inch and a half or so,
depending on the wavelength andthe sauna, of course.
And the purpose is to elevateyour core body temperature so
that you sweat from the insideout, versus a traditional sauna
heats the airspace.
So it stops at skin surfacelevel.
(22:53):
And so it's a different heatapplication.
And in my opinion, there's noright or wrong.
There's no good or bad.
There's no one better over theother, in my opinion.
I just think they have benefitsof each, they each have their
own benefit.
For my case, in the sense ofdetoxing heavy metals and like
actually tapping into the fatcells where these metals were
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hanging out in the cellularsystem, I needed the light
energy to actually tap into thebody, raise my core temperature
about two to three degrees.
So essentially self-inducing afever and pushing the metals
out, forcing, forcing thelymphatic system to do its job,
because that was also part of myproblem was the metabolism
wasn't firing.
(23:33):
The lymph no, the lymph systemwasn't working.
Like the best way I coulddescribe it, and Ashley always
says, she's like, Your system issludged up, everything's backed
up.
Like we need to just get thingsmoving and working out.
I wasn't even breaking a sweatworking out.
And so we knew something wasn'tfunctioning right.
So the infrared essentiallyelevates core body, forcing the
(23:55):
body to sweat, gets the bloodflow going, vasal dilation,
circulation is moving, and thetemperatures are a bit lower.
Generally, uh traditional saunaslike 170 to 200 degrees, some
are even as hot as 220 if you'repouring the water on the hot
rocks, which I love, by the way.
Um, I'm a heat warrior all daylong.
This was a different way inwhich I could put less stress on
(24:17):
my body.
So not the high heat, heavy,hard debris steam.
I literally just needed to sitthere, which is easy.
And the light energy was goingto do the work.
And so I also, Clear Light wasalso speaking at that event and
really just, you know, did amuch better description of what
I just shared, but ultimatelyyou know, really talked about
(24:39):
how our energetic light beanswork with this light energy and
how it's a perfect harmoniousmatch in order for the body to
release and open up these detoxpathways.
So I sat in the sauna for fiveor 10 minutes.
It felt amazing.
I felt like, you know, ofcourse, I didn't break a sweat
and I didn't do a full session,but I remember sitting in that
(25:02):
sauna for the first time.
In fact, I have a picture of itstill on my phone to this day.
I remember sitting in that saunathinking, this feels like a
healing sanctuary to me.
So it felt different.
It it felt like a space where Icould go, where I could go and
(25:23):
be with myself and sit withmyself and really release.
And yes, there were medals, butI don't know how to describe it,
Chris.
Like we were at this venue,right?
There's people everywhere, butwe went in, they had music
playing.
It was like Native Americanflute music or something.
It was like the most peace, likesomething you hear at a spa.
(25:44):
And I remember just sitting inthere and like feeling the
warmth.
And I was like, oh, this is whatmy body needs.
This is what my body needs.
Okay.
And so, I mean, the rest ishistory.
Got a sauna, came home, startedusing it.
The protocol was to use it everyday for a period of time,
pairing it with some of thesupplements, hydration, you
(26:08):
know, and then and then thewheel just started.
Like the wheel, the wellnesswheel just started slowly but
surely down this hill ofprogression.
So that is how I found in FredSaunas.
Coach Carlie (26:23):
Yeah, no, that's so cool.
Uh well, what I appreciate aboutthat story is that there was a
level of awareness that you wereable to tap into to say this
feels good.
And I think, especially in thepopulation that we're speaking
to, is hard-driving enduranceathletes, high achievers, like
(26:47):
go, go, go, ignore everything,including the fact that you're
not sleeping well or that you'rein pain, or that something just
doesn't feel right.
SPEAKER_00 (26:57):
Yeah.
Coach Carlie (26:58):
That it is good to be aware and to tap into what
your body is telling you.
And I also find thatfascinating, sort of circling
back to that gentleman in thebar who was like, I'm gonna make
you feel something.
And boy, did you feel somethingand and set you onto this path
(27:19):
of starting to tune in.
I'm always fascinated, also,like you had mentioned, like
Ashley saying, How are youfunctioning?
I've seen some labs like that.
I'm like, literally, yeah, howare you functioning?
Like, I don't, you know, thesethese numbers are bananas.
Alarming.
SPEAKER_00 (27:38):
Yeah, that's what she said.
And I was like, Well, my momalways said I was a high
achiever.
I'm like, I guess I'm a reallygood sick person too.
I don't know.
Uh, I don't know how I wasfunctioning.
Um, the best way I can describeit is that you just keep going.
And like I said, at the time, Iwas in a hustle and grind job.
(27:58):
Like you just don't stop.
And so, to your point, I thinkthat's what was really uh
interesting in that moment whenI sat in the sauna for the first
time and was like, I kind ofjust checked out of everything
else and just tuned in for justfive minutes.
I just tuned into myself and I'mlike, yeah, this feels good.
(28:23):
This feels like something mybody needs and the quiet and the
disconnection.
Like, I've always been a natureperson.
Like I take solo trips, like Ido, you know, I'm a very solo
person and can be in my ownquiet.
I love it.
But there was something aboutthis where it was the mind-body
connection for some reason.
It felt different.
And the light energy does that.
(28:44):
Like, that's something I mean,if you listen to my show, I'm
constantly talking about likeyour sauna is just not a hot box
for you to go in and sweat.
It's like sit in meditation,like pray, like listen to
yourself, like sit with yourselfand think about what do I need
to do today?
How do I want to feel?
Like, don't make it anothertask, another thing you need to
(29:06):
do.
Like, really tap into what isgoing on with your body.
And what I found is after,because of that feeling that I
felt that day, sitting in thesauna for the first time, every
time I sat in it afterwards athome, like I remembered to
remember.
(29:27):
Yes.
I remembered to remember that Iwasn't gonna bring a bunch of
noise into the sauna with me.
It was going to be this is gonnabe my gen time, like serious gen
time.
And that is what I mean, theheat therapy, yes, it detoxed
me.
I lost over 100 pounds, youknow, it, you know, all of these
(29:47):
beautiful physical thingshappened, the metals were
removed, everything.
But what really happened in thathot box, Chris, was that I found
myself.
I found myself.
I listened to my heartbeat, Ilistened to my body on days when
I needed to turn the temperaturedown a little bit, I honored
that and I turned it down.
If I had to open the door alittle bit, I opened the door
(30:08):
and got some fresh air insteadof like hustling and muscling
through it.
If I, if I needed to sit therefor an extra 10 minutes and cry,
because I would, I mean, whichis always happens in the sauna
because you're crying and you'rereleasing and you're just like,
oh, no one's watching, just likelet it go.
But it was, it just became thisrelease and this like so call it
detoxification, but it was likethis purge and this release of
(30:31):
everything.
And then I started getting clearon like, do I really like my
job?
Am I really happy in thismarriage?
Like, what's going on?
Like, we can do a whole show onlike what I did after, you know.
But it's like it really got metuned in to my mind, my heart,
my body.
Like, how did I get myself intothis space?
(30:51):
How am I functioning withMercury sitting on my brain at a
level of which I should die?
And which, of course, you know,as I said, I had a stroke.
It ultimately did create asituation, too much stress
because I did make some verywicked changes in my life.
Um, got divorced, quit the job,did all these things, slung
myself into entrepreneurship.
You know, next lesson for me wasokay, I did all these
(31:15):
detoxification things, but I dida little too much at one time.
The body let me know it.
That's another warning shot.
You know, fast forward, thatjust set me on another path of
some more healing, more journey,you know, more things.
But really, what mydetoxification process truly was
(31:36):
about was just like coming hometo myself and really
understanding what was notserving me and like live
literally living in my body andhow how I needed to remove it.
Coach Carlie (31:47):
Oh, that's that like gives me chills.
So good.
You had mentioned that Ashleywanted your sleep routine to be
better and to remove your TB.
And then you're mentioning howin the infrared sauna it's your
gen time.
So tell me a little bit aboutdigital detox.
(32:08):
Is that a clear boundary thatyou have for yourself or your
loved ones, for your space?
And what does that look like?
SPEAKER_00 (32:18):
Yeah, great question.
So, one of the things, I thinkone of the biggest overarching,
beautiful things that happenedin all of this, even the stroke,
like I'm grateful for all of it,was that over the last 15, 16
years, however many years it'sbeen now, is I have created, I
(32:38):
have leaned into understandingthat our home is our sanctuary
space.
And that, you know, I travel allover, you know, we're on planes,
we're here, we're there, butlike home base for me needs to
be sanctuary.
And so I have spent a lot oftime and money and energy into
harmonizing my home into a spacein which it's literally a
(33:00):
healing space everywhere in ourhouse.
And so I don't live like anomad.
I don't live in a year with notechnology.
Obviously, I'm in my office andwe have this, you know, I have
all this stuff, you know, toproduce.
But there are very clearboundaries that I realized that
I needed to create for myself.
The TV was just one of them.
That was just the start.
(33:20):
But what that did was it kickedthe door open for me to
understand where else am Icompletely like sucking the
energy out of my life?
Like, where else are theseelectronics in my home?
Where's the router for our Wi-Fisystem?
Like, where's the smart meter?
If the smart meter is up againstyour bedrooms or your kiddos'
bedrooms, like figure out waysin which that you can deter
(33:43):
those frequencies becausethey're constantly pinging us,
pinging, pinging, pinging, likelife-sucking energy out of us.
So I started moving myselfaround my entire house and just
doing different things indifferent areas of the different
areas of the home to harmonizeit.
And when I say harmonize it, Ijust mean minimize EMFs,
minimize the exposure, and thencreate very clear areas where
(34:05):
there's no EMF, which is ourmap, like our bedroom.
There's no TV, no electronics,like the Wi-Fi, everything is
completely on the other side ofthe house.
I have different crystals andstones and things for
mitigation.
Um, we have it, I have an oldschool alarm clock, the sunrise
alarm clock.
So if I have to wake up, I wakeup to the birds chirping and
it's just run off of a batteryand plugs into the wall.
Literally no electronics in mybedroom anywhere near it.
(34:30):
And my husband, who, you know,likes to sometimes break the
rules and bring his phone in thebedroom a little bit just to do
some what I call doom scrollingbefore night once in a while,
like that's fine.
But that phone is gonna go backout of the room when we go to
sleep.
That that is a hundred percentboundary.
And anybody who knows me, evenmy mom, when I go to her house,
(34:50):
like that's a wicked boundarythat I set because when I go to
sleep, my body is resting andrestoring.
It's recharging its batteries,resting, digesting.
I'm asking the body to work forme when I'm resting.
What I don't need to do is giveit 75 hurdles and a ring of fire
to jump through while doing it.
Because if I do, I'm gonna wakeup mediocre or I'm gonna wake up
(35:12):
tired because the body couldn'tdo what God asked it to do or
just given us to do.
So you give it the tools or youremove some of these tools that
are around our home and give itthe space to create and give it
the space to feel good.
I mean, I can tell you within aweek or two of not having a TV
(35:35):
in my room, I did feel morerested.
When you start tuning into thesethings and you're like, hmm,
yeah, I actually woke up and Ididn't have a headache, or I
actually woke up and my I couldopen my eyes instead of like
peeling them open.
It completely makes adifference.
And so, yeah, that's anon-negotiable.
Anybody guests who come to ourhome, you know, there's certain
(35:56):
things, you know, we don't havelike TVs, we have no smart
devices.
Like, I shouldn't say no, wehave a couple smart TVs, but
very few devices in this house.
Like it's it's harmonized to ina way where you walk in here and
it's feels different than mostplaces, I would say, because
I've energetically created aspace where we're not being
(36:19):
pinged all the time.
Coach Carlie (36:21):
That's so cool.
And I'm I'm glad you mentionedthat because we were talking
about this before we came on thepodcast.
I was like, oh, we need to startrecording.
I think that that is somethingthat we are likely trained out
of recognizing is the energy ina space.
SPEAKER_00 (36:39):
Yep.
Coach Carlie (36:40):
So, I mean, I'll give you guys an example.
Like, if you walk into like abig conference room and there's
a lot of people, like you canfeel that there is a certain
energy in there.
It doesn't necessarily have tobe bad or good, it's just a
different energy, right?
And then let's say you walk intosomebody's house and they're
arguing, like you can feel thatenergy.
(37:03):
And you know, granted, perhapssome people are less intuitive
than others, and that's fine.
But I also think that part ofthat is training that we have
trained ourselves out ofrecognizing some of those things
and like trusting our gut andtrusting our intuition and
sensing whether a place feelsright to us.
(37:23):
So your house sounds amazing.
It sounds like it's one of thosethat you just like you just go,
it's like walking to a spa, youknow, we're just like, oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00 (37:34):
Well, that's what it is.
And that's honestly like I'm soglad you brought that up because
that's actually what I tellpeople.
They're like, oh, your housesounds fabulous.
And I'm like, but everybody'shouse can do it.
It's literally like we pay to goto the spa.
Why don't we just create itunder our roof?
Like, I want to create a life Idon't need a vacation from.
Like every day is a day at thespa.
(37:54):
I mean, it's not all rainbowsand unicorns over here.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm living regular life, justlike we all are.
But we've created a space umwhere it gives us the tools so
that we can disconnect.
I can tap in when I'm in myoffice.
I'm I'm full, I'm aroundelectronics all day long in my
office, but then the rest of thehouse isn't pinging.
And so what's also interestingto me, too, and you know, I work
(38:20):
with a lot of professionalathletes.
Like I've been in the saunabusiness now for many years,
working in red light therapy.
I've been so grateful.
You know, I quit that corporatejob and I opened up a wellness
center and started, you know,detox and wellness center
started helping people on theirown journey and have been doing
this now for years.
I work with some amazingathletes, professional uh people
of all kinds, celebrities,singers, like people who are
(38:43):
high-level performers and wantlike they need to be on, on, on,
on.
And there's all these tools andthere are all these gadgets,
like the ring, aura rings, andlike all these different things.
And we think that we need all ofthose because we want to collect
the data.
But what I always tell people islike, it's fine to have the
data, but like, where are yougoing to like get away from
(39:04):
that?
Like, when does the body get abreak from all of the things
that you're throwing at it?
Like, most of us, if we look atscreen time or if we look at the
amount of time that we're awayfrom digit, like the digital
detox, so to speak, it is notcommon for people to think that
they can function and livewithout these things.
(39:27):
And I just think I think there'sa shift happening where people
are starting to be get attunedto like they don't want all of
these like gadgets and things inand around them because they can
start to feel that they don'tfeel great around them, lights,
you know, all even all thesedifferent things.
But it's interesting how lesssometimes is better, like just
(39:49):
simplifying it.
And, you know, Morgan, my niece,who I, you know, we've talked a
bit about Morgan as my19-year-old niece that lives
with us.
And, you know, talk about ageneration that's like grow up
on their phones, right?
Like she doesn't even know, youknow, when she came to live here
with us, and I was like, hereare the rules, here's how this
is gonna go.
You're not sleeping with yourphone.
This is the kind of alarm clock.
(40:10):
Like, and she was just likeflatlined, like, what?
What is happening?
Like, no, I I need my phone.
I'm like, no, you actuallydon't.
You actually don't.
And I'm gonna show you how andwhy you actually don't need to
live on this thing or be thattethered to it, because that's
not healthy.
That's a codependency.
So, you know, she would feelanxious about something, or
she'd like have something sheneeded to work on, but like, go
(40:32):
lay out in the grass, go out inthe grass.
So now she knows if she asks mewhat my first qu my first answer
is gonna be, I don't know.
Did you go lay out in the grass?
Did you go lay under the sun andfigure like figure it out?
Like Earth's energy, pulse pulp,pulse pemph energy, it's in the
earth, literally, bare feet,body on the earth.
That's the best charge you'reever gonna get.
Coach Carlie (40:55):
And it's it's not woo.
I know a lot of people might belike, oh, well, whatever.
No, like take a meter, stick itin the ground.
Yeah, there is some definitehealing energy.
SPEAKER_00 (41:09):
Yeah, well, the earth has a heartbeat.
You know, Mother Earth does havea heartbeat.
I don't, I think we can allagree on that.
Um, you know, if you followSchumann resonance, great.
If you don't, look it up, it'sinteresting.
But, you know, the earth has apulse, it has a heartbeat, just
as we do.
And I think when we get backinto rhythm with that, whatever
we're trying to do in your goalsfor training, whether it's jobs
(41:32):
or focus or balancing lifestuff, when we get into rhythm
with that, we feel like we'remore in flow.
We can actually get clear, makebetter decisions.
So that has actually been one ofmy go to's, especially after my
stroke.
I mean, that was another wholelike, oh, interesting.
What I needed, I mean, I spent aton of time like grounding and
earthing, like I had to becauseI was um a stroke is a
(41:56):
neurological condition,obviously.
Uh, and For me, it was actuallyum a couple of things.
It was the metals, the residualfrom some metals.
And then also when I was 15, Iwas uh unfortunately there was
an explosion, an accidentalexplosion that I was a part of
or was witness to, uh, and itwas massive.
I mean, my boyfriend, my then myhigh school sweetheart was
(42:19):
killed that day.
It was very unfortunate, verytraumatic.
I fortunately was somewhatsheltered.
I shouldn't say fortunately,another person.
Uh, I was in an area which I wassheltered from any metal
shrapnel and glass in the blast.
Um, I took very little impactfrom it, but I was thrown about
eight to 10 feet from the impactfrom the from the um blast.
(42:42):
And it was on the right side ofthe brain.
So that was actually the realreason, the real major reason
for the stroke is because I hadmassive brain damage from that
day that went untreated.
It was a massive concussionbecause I was one of the least
injured that day and it waschaos.
Um, I never went to thehospital, I was never treated.
So it turns out after thestroke, we did some MRIs, we did
(43:03):
some things like where did thiscome from?
Combination of the metals andthe stress, but it was the
damage on the brain.
So I just want to clarify that.
So people aren't thinking I hada stroke due to mercury or lead.
It was that was a piece of thepuzzle, but really what it was
was a massive concussion anddamage to the brain that just
was the perfect storm, you know,15 years later.
And so again, getting grounded,like how do I heal my body?
(43:27):
How can I put it back intorhythm?
And I needed to get back to somebasics.
Coach Carlie (43:33):
So speaking of basics, are there any specific
basic things that you get to doon either a daily basis, a
weekly basis, call it a routine,call it a ritual?
SPEAKER_00 (43:47):
Well, as you know, and as you know, anybody who's
landed on my site or listened tomy show, my house is what I
would consider kind of awellness fortress.
So I have a lot of differentmodalities and things, and I
literally could spend all daydoing a morning routine.
And I think that's where somepeople get hung up a little bit
is like, oh, I need to do allthese things.
You know, some days, you know,maybe like my weekends look a
(44:09):
little different than myweekdays, to be quite honest.
Like I do have somenon-negotiables in the morning
where just consistency is key.
I start with a few things likemy prayer, my meditation, my
gratitude, my grounding, youknow, drinking some water.
Um, lemon, warm lemon water hasbeen something I've been doing
since day one.
Ashley mentioned that to meyears ago.
Just kind of kicks the liver ina little bit when you first get
(44:29):
up in the morning.
So that's definitely justsomething I do to kind of get
the body moving and rolling.
I do sit in a lot of stillnessin the morning.
I like my quiet time.
And uh, I have a machine calledthe brain tap machine that I use
quite frequently.
Actually, that's uh that's alight frequency machine.
I don't know.
Are you familiar with brain tap?
Coach Carlie (44:47):
I am not, but I'm getting introduced to one on
Friday at my chiropractor.
So Oh, you are?
She's got like this littlerecovery room.
She's like, you can use all thethings.
I'm like, I don't even knowwhere to start.
Yes.
And that's going to be my nextquestion.
Like, where do we start if we'relike at ground zero?
Or what might be ground zero?
SPEAKER_00 (45:04):
Yeah.
So, like I said, I guess for me,my routine's a little bit
different because you know, whenyou chase your health backwards,
and this is one of the reasonswhy I've created my show.
This is one of the reasons why Ido what I do, you know, open my
center, continue to teach, islike I chase my health backwards
after I've got it to a level ofapparently I was managing it,
but I it wasn't, it wasn't agood situation.
And so being more proactive andjust kind of putting the hands
(45:26):
on the wheel of your life and,you know, bringing in some of
these modalities are are great,but also just getting clear on
slowing down a little bit andgetting some routines in your
morning to kind of set your day,to set your day so that it's not
chaotic.
I sauna almost every day.
I do cold therapy, whether it bein my cold plunge or I just, you
(45:47):
know, cold cool shower kind ofwakes me up a bit.
Like I said, my grounding and myoutside time.
Something we didn't talk about aton, but I want to mention is
our circadian rhythm.
That was another thing.
Going back to the sleep thing iswhen we're looking at artificial
light, it's it's really sendingsignals to the brain to confuse
it.
And that's just kind of theeasiest way to say it.
(46:09):
So getting our bodies back inharmony with natural sunlight,
um, sunrise and sunset.
You know, years ago she hadmentioned, you know, people love
to see a sunrise and a sunset.
And it's because the red light,the the red, the natural
wavelengths that come off of thesun during that time.
If you can get outside and getyour eyes on sunlight in the
morning, you have no idea howmuch how beneficial that is for
(46:32):
you, just to help balance thehormones, harmonize it.
It's sending the signal to thebody, it's time to wake up, it's
time to be awake and alert forthe day.
And then the same at night is asunset, you know, you're kind of
sending the signal to the bodyto calm down, relax.
It's time for rest and restore,which is again why stimulating
ourselves with TVs and iPads andcomputers and phones after dark,
(46:57):
it's it's sending the wrongsignal to the brain.
So just finding some of theserhythms and and working with
nature and working with thebody, those are really my daily
non-negotiables, actually.
Like if I do nothing else, it'sjust get some sunlight, uh, put
the phones down before bed, youknow, drink plenty of water,
which is great.
But it's just kind of going backto some ancient wisdom, like
(47:20):
ancient legit ancient wisdom.
Coach Carlie (47:24):
That's so cool.
And I was gonna actually ask youlike, what are your three main
takeaways for everybodylistening?
And I think I think you beat meto the punch there.
SPEAKER_00 (47:33):
Oh, three main takeaways.
Yeah, I think you know, anybodywho's interested, the heat
therapy is amazing.
As you know, that's been in mythat that was it saved my life.
And Fred Sauna saved my life.
And I don't say that lightly, itliterally saved my life.
Like I sat in that sauna andwatched the metals pour out of
my body while I sobbed and criedand wondered, how did I get to
(47:54):
this point?
Um, we did find out the uh themercury was coming from cavities
in my mouth, which I'veobviously since had removed and
did that whole chelationprocess, working with a holistic
dentist.
You know, if you're gonna do orgo down that path, make sure
you're finding a dentist thatfollows those protocols.
Very, very important.
A lot of information online.
In fact, I interviewed afantastic whole um dentist,
(48:15):
holistic dentist earlier thisyear that just really talked
about the evolution of thedental industry and why so many
people have mercury, you know,how that is causing issue.
Um, and then the lead, we justdiscovered that was just some
lead-based paint that I wasexposed to and some things that
were environmental.
And so, again, just going intodiscovery and figuring out what
those things are.
(48:36):
But all of this stuff, you know,a lot of different gadgets and
things uh that I've used overthe years.
Um, I've tested a lot of thingsand a lot of things worked, many
of which are, you know, on mywebsite.
But really, my main takeawaysare for people are get back to
basics and eliminate the thingsthat are causing stress and
noise in your life.
What I like to say is on a scaleof one to 10, if it's a five or
(49:00):
higher in the noise category orbringing stress to your life,
you should probably find a wayto set it down, let it go, bless
and release, or find areplacement.
That was huge for my life.
Like I had to get rid of somestress.
Number two was bring in a coupleof key modalities into my home
so they were under my roof.
So I had access to them at alltimes, and I didn't have to be
(49:20):
on someone else's schedule ordeal with traffic or somehow
talk myself into saying I wasn'tgonna put myself on my schedule
today.
If it's under my roof, it's it'savailable to you at all times
and you should be using it.
And so finding out what thosekey things are for you is
important.
And then number three, justprotecting your sleep and your
peace and just getting enoughrest.
(49:41):
I worked myself to the bone andthen was like, oh, why is this,
you know, why is why am Ioverweight?
Why is this not working for me?
It's because I wasn't giving mybody the rest to restore that it
needed to get up and perform forme the next day.
And so those are probably thethree, my three biggest
takeaways.
Coach Carlie (50:00):
Ah, so great.
That was lovely.
Um, all right.
So, Jen, how can people learnmore about you?
Learn more about your show,learn more.
You want to learn more?
SPEAKER_00 (50:11):
That wasn't enough.
Um so my show is Homes thatHeal.
Like I said, it's really just uma lot of great conversations,
some solo shows and some withsome other people that have
helped me along the way.
That's Homes that Heal.
Uh, my website's probably thebest way to find me, jen
HellerLifestyle.com.
That has all my Jen recommendsthings that I have, home health
(50:32):
um books, connections.
You know, if you're looking forthe pe some of the people I've
mentioned today, they're mostlikely on my website.
That's kind of the storefront,if you will, of everything, Jen
Heller.
So Jen Heller Lifestyle.
Coach Carlie (50:45):
That's awesome.
Yeah, because I I feel likepeople can get very overwhelmed
in this space.
And they're like, oh my gosh,how many thousands of dollars am
I gonna spend?
But it sounds like your uh pushis just to protect their sleep,
you know, start small, and thenbecause we've done like kitchen
(51:06):
detoxes with folks and they'relike, oh my gosh, you're asking
me to throw away all my pans andbuy all new pans.
I'm like, well, it can happen.
I think of it like a ball ofwax.
You know, like start small andthen maybe you throw a few away,
maybe you buy one here or onethere, or you know.
But it's like like you had said,it's been a 15 year plus journey
(51:30):
of creating this new space.
So cool.
Awesome.
All right, well, all of yourgoodness will be in the show
notes, and Jen Heller, thank youso much for joining us.
SPEAKER_00 (51:43):
Thank you, Chris.
It's a pleasure.
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The Burden is a documentary series that takes listeners into the hidden places where justice is done (and undone). It dives deep into the lives of heroes and villains. And it focuses a spotlight on those who triumph even when the odds are against them. Season 5 - The Burden: Death & Deceit in Alliance On April Fools Day 1999, 26-year-old Yvonne Layne was found murdered in her Alliance, Ohio home. David Thorne, her ex-boyfriend and father of one of her children, was instantly a suspect. Another young man admitted to the murder, and David breathed a sigh of relief, until the confessed murderer fingered David; “He paid me to do it.” David was sentenced to life without parole. Two decades later, Pulitzer winner and podcast host, Maggie Freleng (Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County, Wrongful Conviction, Suave) launched a “live” investigation into David's conviction alongside Jason Baldwin (himself wrongfully convicted as a member of the West Memphis Three). Maggie had come to believe that the entire investigation of David was botched by the tiny local police department, or worse, covered up the real killer. Was Maggie correct? Was David’s claim of innocence credible? In Death and Deceit in Alliance, Maggie recounts the case that launched her career, and ultimately, “broke” her.” The results will shock the listener and reduce Maggie to tears and self-doubt. This is not your typical wrongful conviction story. In fact, it turns the genre on its head. It asks the question: What if our champions are foolish? Season 4 - The Burden: Get the Money and Run “Trying to murder my father, this was the thing that put me on the path.” That’s Joe Loya and that path was bank robbery. Bank, bank, bank, bank, bank. In season 4 of The Burden: Get the Money and Run, we hear from Joe who was once the most prolific bank robber in Southern California, and beyond. He used disguises, body doubles, proxies. He leaped over counters, grabbed the money and ran. Even as the FBI was closing in. It was a showdown between a daring bank robber, and a patient FBI agent. Joe was no ordinary bank robber. He was bright, articulate, charismatic, and driven by a dark rage that he summoned up at will. In seven episodes, Joe tells all: the what, the how… and the why. Including why he tried to murder his father. Season 3 - The Burden: Avenger Miriam Lewin is one of Argentina’s leading journalists today. At 19 years old, she was kidnapped off the streets of Buenos Aires for her political activism and thrown into a concentration camp. Thousands of her fellow inmates were executed, tossed alive from a cargo plane into the ocean. Miriam, along with a handful of others, will survive the camp. Then as a journalist, she will wage a decades long campaign to bring her tormentors to justice. Avenger is about one woman’s triumphant battle against unbelievable odds to survive torture, claim justice for the crimes done against her and others like her, and change the future of her country. Season 2 - The Burden: Empire on Blood Empire on Blood is set in the Bronx, NY, in the early 90s, when two young drug dealers ruled an intersection known as “The Corner on Blood.” The boss, Calvin Buari, lived large. He and a protege swore they would build an empire on blood. Then the relationship frayed and the protege accused Calvin of a double homicide which he claimed he didn’t do. But did he? Award-winning journalist Steve Fishman spent seven years to answer that question. This is the story of one man’s last chance to overturn his life sentence. He may prevail, but someone’s gotta pay. The Burden: Empire on Blood is the director’s cut of the true crime classic which reached #1 on the charts when it was first released half a dozen years ago. Season 1 - The Burden In the 1990s, Detective Louis N. Scarcella was legendary. In a city overrun by violent crime, he cracked the toughest cases and put away the worst criminals. “The Hulk” was his nickname. Then the story changed. Scarcella ran into a group of convicted murderers who all say they are innocent. They turned themselves into jailhouse-lawyers and in prison founded a lway firm. When they realized Scarcella helped put many of them away, they set their sights on taking him down. And with the help of a NY Times reporter they have a chance. For years, Scarcella insisted he did nothing wrong. But that’s all he’d say. Until we tracked Scarcella to a sauna in a Russian bathhouse, where he started to talk..and talk and talk. “The guilty have gone free,” he whispered. And then agreed to take us into the belly of the beast. Welcome to The Burden.