July 25, 2023 • 55 mins
What if you could see Jesus as someone relatable and approachable, despite the complexity of his genealogy and divinity? How would that change your relationship with him? Join us as we venture into the fascinating genealogy of Jesus as presented in Matthew Chapter 1, highlighting the importance of understanding our roots and its impact on our current perspectives. We share how we used to box Jesus into an image that seemed unrelatable, and how digging into his family history helps shatter these stereotypes.
Ever wondered about the courage it took for Jesus to die for us on the cross? Our discussion takes an unexpected turn, drawing parallels from the rigorous journey of achieving a black belt in karate to understanding Jesus' immense strength and courage. We also dive into the intriguing aspect of Jesus' unexpected birth, exploring the reactions of the people around him, and what it meant for his faith journey.
In our final thoughts, we focus on the importance of authenticity and personal perspectives, inspired by the lessons from Matthew, the tax collector. Matthew’s unique viewpoint presented Jesus as a king fulfilling Old Testament prophecies, emphasizing how our individual backgrounds and experiences shape our understanding. We invite you to join us in this enriching exploration, as we ponder the power of genetics in determining who we are, and how embracing our authenticity can lead to impactful connections. Don’t miss out on this enlightening conversation!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
It's time to wake up and pray up here.
On the Finding Faith and LosingSleep podcast, I'm Wes Eason,
one of your hosts, and loafingit over on Twitter.
Don't forget to follow the twoco-hosts.
I think they're the pre-hosts,the post-hosts, the most-hosts.
The host is with the mostesses.
It's Pierre at Pee Wee 31 overon Twitter and Michelle at Gopat
Go.
9-1-1, 4-1-1, 4-1-1.
(00:28):
I did the night one-one jokebefore, Michelle.
I can't get it out of my head.
I thought it was somebody.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's just stuck that way now right.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
After Aaron Rodgers left.
I think it's an emergency therenow.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
We'll see.
Nobody really knows, so we'llsee.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
We shall see.
And, pierre, how are you, myfriend, I haven't talked to you
in a long time.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I'm doing well.
You had a little rattle rightbefore we went live, like you
were opening up hostess like ading-doh or cupcake or something
.
I was like, oh boy, here we go.
Maybe you were just flippingthrough your Bible and they just
sounded like chips again.
Maybe that was it.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Pierre, Pierre, Pierre, my chippy Bible.
I guess we need to see ifFrito-Lay makes a Bible.
Maybe we can be sponsored byFrito-Lay Bibles or something.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Pierre.
Hey, we are excited to be hereon the Finding Faith and Losing
Sleep podcast, episode 18.
You guys may not be excitedbecause we're going to be going
over Matthew chapter 1, which isthe genealogy and then the
birth of Jesus.
So I got some questions to askand I got some observations to
make from Matthew chapter 1.
It's one of those chapters,pierre, michelle, where whenever
(01:31):
I first started reading theBible, I was like, okay, I'll
start reading the Bible, youknow, come condition, I'm going
to start reading the Bible.
And I was like Genesis well,that's an old looking book, the
Old Testament.
It's called Old for a Reason.
I'm going to go at least to theNew Testament and I'm going to
get started there.
And I think that was thebiggest mistake of my life,
because I started the NewTestament and I got to all those
names and I'm like I have nevermet anybody with half of these
(01:53):
names, more than half, threequarters of these names.
Where did all these people comefrom?
Is what I was thinking.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
It's a struggle and I'll tell you like half the
times that I've actuallyattempted to start reading the
Bible, probably the main reasonsI stopped was because of the
genealogy, just the what's theson of this, what's the son of
this, what's the daughter ofthis?
And I just I just can't.
I don't want to just skimthrough it Like I'm sure the
(02:18):
genealogy was important and Imean you can like read about,
you know how it was, basicallylike their alphabet.
You know, back in these timeswhere they were basically
remembering their history, whichis important.
You know your family trees,your family history.
But it's a struggle for me.
It's like taping the eyelidsopen and just doing your best to
pull through it.
I really struggle with all thenames.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Personally, I find it humorous now, michelle,
whenever I look at the names andyou guys know me I can barely
read right.
English is my second language.
I think you both know that bynow.
I don't know, I don't know whatmy first language is, but it's
certainly with the way Ipronounce the eight and spell
and do grammar, english is notmy first language, right?
That's just what I have come toconclude, and so whenever I
(03:01):
look at all these names, I justfake it till I make it.
I just keep going through themlike yeah, I don't care if I say
them wrong, I don't care if Isay them right.
If I get it 50% right, I feelvery accomplished.
But they just I find them asfunny little names and I'm sure
it's not funny little names,michelle.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I'm sure it's not.
I think it's just, I think it'ssmart to do it your way, west,
because then it at least makesit interesting and exciting.
Right, like you just go throughand say them however you want
and like give yourself a littlechuckle here and there.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Well, if you always act like a goober whenever it
comes time to do something likethis, it just looks natural to
you.
So that's how I get across withit.
But no, but I mean thegenealogy, though, is so
important because we do get tolearn, I guess, the background,
and you know, on some of thosepast episodes of the finding
faith and losing sleep podcast,you can go back there and listen
to those things and you'll findout our backgrounds to be able
(03:53):
to understand us a little bitbetter.
And I, you know, we can sitthere and judge a lot of people
in this world just on book cover.
You know, what is it that weexactly see the moment we see
them, we already put them in abox.
We already judge people alittle bit.
You know, we kind of have metsomebody that looked like that
before or acted like that before, have walked like that before,
(04:13):
and so whenever we think aboutJesus and we put them in a box
wait a minute, we got to findout his history.
A little bit, like in thosepast podcasts, you can find out
about our history and go okay,now I can see why Wes says that
the way he does, or why Pierrethinks that way, or why Michelle
thinks that way, and so we cankind of see those things.
So let me ask you guys this,because I think it's a good
(04:35):
question to ask, and I've beenasking myself this all week and
I probably should, should justask you guys this earlier this
week to let you think about it.
I don't know when, maybe beforeyou became a Christian, or
whenever you first thought aboutJesus, or not even then.
I mean just in your life,because we've all heard that
name of Jesus throughout ourentire lives but before you got
to know him a little bit better,what did you think about him?
(04:58):
What box did you put him in?
Who was he to you and what kindof reputation did he have?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I guess so I guess I'll start.
So to me he was black and I saythat just being raised off of a
black family, African Americanfamily, however you want to say
it and like a lot of ourchurches, it points to
Revelation, which I know we'renot talking to now, but it just
(05:26):
talks about the burnt skin,which a lot of us take it as
brown, dark skin, the wool typeof hair and the type of hair
that we have.
So immediately that's kind ofthe thought that that's taught
At least that was taught with megrowing up.
(05:47):
And so then you start seeingthese pictures of Jesus
throughout and you're like, well, that's not who I was taught at
all.
And then you actually get intothe Bible and you're like, well,
they're wrong.
Also, he's not a white person,honestly.
But you think about it.
There's some type of descentand there's definitely a tan of
(06:09):
some sort there when it comes toJesus.
But just from a parentstandpoint, that was just the
difference, and again, ours waskind of based off of Revelation.
But then it also ties into whatyou can see versus not see.
And so honestly, growing up,there's that doubt when things
(06:30):
are going wrong in your life,when folks are getting sick,
folks are passing away.
It's like, OK, well, this isJesus guy and not even real.
Because why would this stuff behappening to good people?
Why do bad things happen togood people, which we talked
about before?
If he was so loving and sokindful and graceful and full of
mercy, why do these things takeplace?
(06:50):
So those are a lot of thoughtsthat ran through younger peers
at least.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I got to know them and I remember the television
show Good Times and on the wallthey had the picture of the
Black Jesus.
Did you guys have a picture ofthe Black Jesus in your house?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
We did not in our house, no, but I'm familiar with
Good Times and what you weretrying to do.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I mean, they did it A little Michael.
I think Michael was theyoungest brother's name and he
would go off on that picturesometimes.
I liked that.
That was one of my favoriteshows growing up, by the way.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I mean that's.
I mean it's honest, that's kindof you know what.
You're not necessarily raisedthat way, but just in based off
the what you hear in the Blackchurch.
And again it points to thatversion of revelation or that
verse in revelations where ittalks about the scene like
whoever I can't remember who itwas that kind of saw the image
(07:46):
of Jesus and just thatdescription is kind of what it's
based off of.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Oh yeah, those paintings of Jesus that we see,
with the clean cut look and theswooping back you know Harry
going back and the clean cutface and everything like that
and you know he's a tannedCaucasian is what he looks like
and that's what I thought.
That was the picture I had inmy head, because that was always
the picture or painting that Ihad always seen in books or
(08:12):
whatever.
And then as you get to knowthings, you're like, okay,
that's furthest from the truth,probably, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
That's what I was going to say.
My Jesus was not black.
Growing up it was basically theone that you just described to
us, that was hanging in mygrandparents' house, that I saw
everywhere.
And I agree with Pierre, though, like and you like, the more we
read that's not even reallyanywhere close to what he was.
(08:41):
But like, for me growing up itwas.
I mean, if I'm really beinghonest, like I think I said,
when I was younger, we stopped,like, going to church.
My dad got my parents gotreally frustrated with what's
the word I'm looking for thehypocrisy that they were feeling
(09:01):
and like people talking aboutpeople instead of just welcoming
people to church, no matterwhat they were wearing or
looking at, and it just got tobe too much for them.
And we would like watch RobertShuler sometimes, or you know
just different pastors on TVhere and there, but more so.
(09:21):
It was like we prayed every,you know, every time we had it
before, we had meals and stufflike that, but I mean it wasn't
like prevalent, I think it wasjust more of a.
You know Jesus died for you andwe prayed to God and you know,
know the difference betweenright and wrong type of thing.
(09:43):
Until I was probably in highschool when we started going
back to it like a missionarychurch, and so even then, like
as a high school student, I justkind of checked out from really
being honest, and so it wasn'treally until, you know, I was an
adult and bought my first house, and my best friend has always
(10:05):
been a really good influence, areally good Christian influence,
in my life, and so she reallykind of kept me steady, at least
having set that example for me.
So yeah, I think it wasn'tuntil I got older that I really
started to kind of forming anopinion.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
So okay, now Let me ask you this how approachable
was Jesus, the church?
Because I think Jesus and thechurch kind of go hand in hand,
represent each other, you know.
I mean like, like, could herelate to what you were going
through?
Could it was it was it, was hea relatable character?
Did you feel like you couldapproach him like today?
(10:46):
I think, as a Christian, youknow we talked to God, we talked
to God through Jesus and youknow there may be even times
when you have conversations withGod through Jesus, but you're
talking more to Jesus than youare to God, because he's our
mediator, you know.
So you're just kind of talkingand have like a friendly
relationship, but did you thinkthat he was a friend back then?
Did you think that he wasrelatable?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
and no, I mean, I didn't.
For me I didn't see it that way,like I, for me it was God, like
I don't know how to explainthat but it wasn't until, kind
of, I started Diving into faithmore and, quite honestly I think
I probably mentioned it once onthis podcast like I always get
confused like am I supposed topray to God?
(11:29):
I was supposed to pray to Jesus,like what am I supposed to do?
And so it wasn't necessarilyTangible for me and I think I
mentioned this previously untilI went through my miscarriage
and like everything kind ofstarted changing then.
So that whole scenario justreally brought me closer to
(11:51):
Jesus and closer to God and andI started to understand the Holy
Spirit and, quite honestly,after having Olivia that's what
helps, like you know, with herquestions, and so her questions
about things started and quitemaking me go you know what I
need to understand this a littlebetter, a little better, like
when we talked about the HolyTrinity and you know, so,
(12:12):
learning through the eyes of achild has been really great for
me.
So I think I think that's areally great question, west,
because you know, oftentimes wejust assume that people have
this base understanding andmaybe they don't.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
All right, what about you, pierre?
For me, I, I thought that Jesuswas, I, an unapproachable
character, you know, like hewould Me and him, just wouldn't
get along right, because Ialways pictured Jesus is kind of
a preppy guy and it might havebeen because of that picture
that I used to see, because helooked, he looked like he was
the star football player.
You know, he, just he lookedlike he was the guy and I was
(12:49):
not necessarily the guy and I,he just he wouldn't be able to
relate to me at all.
We're just from two differentsides of the road, we're from
two different planets, which wekind of are.
But he, just he, I just to me.
I couldn't approach him at allif he was right there in front
of me because it just seemedlike, I don't know, he was too
(13:09):
good, he, two shoes from each ofPierre.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
So he never felt unapproachable.
Um, so, even if I Wasn't goingto to church myself or if my mom
or or whoever wasn't taking meto church like I, I still had
those figures.
Like my grandma, I would alwayshave something on whether it be
like a TD Jake's who I didn'teven know back then, but she was
watching and you know she, likemy family, always had that,
(13:37):
that rooted faith somewhere.
You know, starting from theelders, you know I had a media.
I know the the movie doesn'tnecessarily do it justice
Without the comedy, but you knowI had a, a media who you know
was in church always praying forus.
You know my grandma did thesame, and even my mom, you know
eventually he's the one thatmade me promise to obviously get
baptized.
You know she had some rootsthere.
(13:58):
So it was never aUnapproachable type of feel, it
was just more of.
Is this real type of ordeal?
Um, and when you look at, youknow poverty and you know kind
of how you can see others livinglives compared to how you're
living lives, whether it be youknow going from house to house
and written, and you know Thingson those lines where you go and
(14:19):
you got friends that you know,have these big old houses and
all these things and it's likeokay.
So you know, what am I doingwrong?
Or what am I family do wrong?
You know, why are we not living?
You know this earthly way, likeother people are living?
There are some of the questionsthat I kind of had, um, and
kind of just made it, I don'tknow like not as tangible.
I guess, um, in a sense, um,because you knew some of those
(14:43):
people and that they weren't thebest people either.
And so, again, if you know thisis supposed to be, uh, a savior
of the world and you knowyou're supposed to be
quote-unquote rewarded for, forrighteousness and the wicked you
know are supposed to be, youknow, getting taken down, it
just didn't seem real in the theworld itself, like that was
happening.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Okay, all right, and uh, before I move on here and a
little bit more conversationabout this, I need to remind
everybody and I forgot to remindeverybody at the beginning of
this podcast, because we mightbe under that religious section
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and everything like that wemight be under and and if you
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(15:22):
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We are a podcast made for theaverage everyday person who is
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And that's what this podcast isabout.
We try to make it for theeveryday people.
We all have a little bit oftheology Underneath our belts,
(15:45):
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We're going to use big words totry and scare people off.
All right, that's not what we'regoing to do.
We try to just communicatethrough a normal everyday way,
and so that's that's.
That's what we are.
Hey, that reminds me, pierre,what you?
You had me vote for something.
You had me vote for me.
I.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Individualize yourself here.
But oh, uh, we had nominationsfor the podcast awards, uh, so
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So thanks for whoever initiallynominated and, uh, to give you
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(16:28):
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So we have enough votes for already nominated oh.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
No, the voting's not open yet.
It's still nomination.
Oh, I got you.
Okay, he asked me.
Now you.
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(17:41):
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All right, so I told you how myjesus was.
My jesus was kind ofunapproachable.
I just didn't understand him.
I didn't think that he wouldunderstand me.
It just it didn't seem like afathomable conversation, besides
the fact that nobody evertalked about him from wherever I
was.
But I used to.
I used to go to church with myaunt, my uncle, whenever I stay
with them on the on in thesummertime, and I would hear
(18:04):
stuff, right, but it just didn'tseem relatable to me.
I was never going to be goodenough.
Yeah, I'm not a church kid,church going kid.
Uh, I live, I live in I don'tknow the wrong side of the
tracks.
I live in poverty.
I live.
I'm way to.
I can't relate to this becauseI was just saw.
I don't know christianity.
I always saw jesus as justbeing better than what I could
(18:26):
ever be.
Right, does that make sense?
I said that, okay.
So when I became a christian,you know, I started in that new
testament and I got over thereto matthew, chapter one.
I was like what the world isgoing on here?
And so I passed all that stuffand I got into other things and
I got into teaching, you know,in the new testament.
And then years later I studied,I read a book, I studied a book
(18:48):
.
Whatever you want to say.
It was a josh mcdowell book.
How to study your bible is whatit was called, and one of the
ways that he Tried to tellpeople to study the bible was to
read a chapter six times andoutline books.
Right, as you go throughoutline books, read the chapter
six times, entitle the chapteryourself because other somebody
else just Entitled your chapter.
I don't know if I say entitled,titled your chapter in your
(19:11):
bible.
So you go ahead and title yourchapters.
You go ahead and Kind of talkabout where the verses in and
where the verses begin and wherethe chapter breaks, kind of
come in there, you know, andjust title all the different
sections in your bible, but read, read a chapter six times so
you can get a good understandingof it.
I'm like, dude, you want me toread something six times, man?
So I did, though, and that waswhere the like the matthew
(19:34):
chapter one kind of struck me,and I looked at Matthew one and
I went through it.
You know.
Genealogy first time, genealogysecond time.
Oh, I gotta do it a third time,you know, but I think it was
the fourth or fifth time when Iread it, and I went wait a
minute, man, hold up who.
I remember hearing somethingabout these people, you know,
(19:57):
and Abraham Isaac jacob Okay,those guys are all pillars of
the faith.
Right in chapter verse two, Ifill up pillars of the faith.
Then you get to Judah and Perezand Zara.
By tamar and Perez was bornHezron, hezron Ram.
Who, in the world are all thesepeople?
And you know, I'd been in.
I've been a Christian for awhile, so I've been hearing a
lot of names, I've been hearinga lot of things, and then it got
down to verse five, and and thesomeone was born boas by Rahab.
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And I went wait a minute, rahab.
Hey, well, it was Rahab.
And so I started doing a littleresearch, like who is Rahab?
And Uh, first first place thattook me was Hebrews 11, the
great chapter of faith, like allthese heroes of the faith, and
Rahab is mentioned in there.
Rahab was a harlot.
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Okay, rahab the harlot, andwe're talking about the
genealogy of Jesus Christ.
This is his family history.
These are the people that werein his family.
This is where he came from.
These are the people I'm notgonna say he knew, because these
were generations before him,but you know, hey, jesus, do you
remember your aunt Rahab?
You know?
I mean, could you imagine thathad a conversation at some point
(21:05):
, right, rahab the harlot.
Do you guys know what Rahab didfor a living?
Nope, you don't know.
In Joshua, chapter two, she ranan inn.
A harlot, a prostitute, ran aninn, did she?
She ran a house man.
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You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Like, she was a madam .
That's who she was.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I mean you.
You can cut him up and dice itup and slice it up any way you
want to, but I'm gonna tell youwhat.
All apologies to Rahab, oh, Idon't mean to say this the wrong
way, but I was so happy thatRahab Was a harlot To.
There's a degree for me becauseI will.
All of a sudden, I sit thereand I look at Matthew, chapter
one, and I'm looking at that andI'm reading that.
(21:53):
I'm going wait a minute.
Jesus does understand me alittle bit better.
You know, holy cow, this Jesusguy, I don't know about him.
That's what I started thinking.
You know, I'm like whoa.
All of us should be hangingaround.
A guy with a family historylike this is what I started
thinking.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Right, I mean you can see it yourself and not to cut
you off there, but think abouthow popular things like
Ancestrycom are, 23andme andbasically all these things where
you can send off saliva orwhatever it is, you know, two
blood samples, a couple vials ofplasma and kind of find out,
(22:31):
you know, like who your historyis.
You know some folks realizethey got different heritage and
you know that they may not be100% African-American, they
might have Korean or somethinglike that or it's just.
It's interesting from thatstandpoint.
So when you look at it fromthere and just kind of finding
out your family history versushow most people do it, when you
(22:54):
read the Bible which is justokay, these are a bunch of names
of a bunch of people that had abunch of kids it kind of
changes the perspective of itquite a bit.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
No, it definitely does.
And I think about all thesenames and it's great to go back
there and look at all thedifferent stories like that, you
know, and it's fun to look atthose different stories because
you do get to learn more aboutJesus and his background, just
like listening to past podcastsof ours.
You can hear our background andso it's kind of cool to hear
that.
And I know Jesus didn't walkwith these guys necessarily.
(23:25):
You know all that stuff, I getit but it made him so much more
relatable to me.
And you know Rahab she was agreat pillar of the faith
because she obeyed God is whatshe did, even though she was in
her situation.
It became present for the spiesof God to go there and she had
to.
She kept him hid.
(23:45):
She basically didn't rat himout, all those things and she
was faithful to God through thattime and he rescued her.
And she has mentioned in a greatchapter Hebrews, chapter 11,
another great chapter.
If you ever want to beencouraged about the past of
God's people and what theyovercame and how they stayed
faithful to God, hebrews 11 isgreat for that.
(24:06):
It just it could be a veryencouraging chapter.
So yeah, like I said, I look atthings a little bit different
than some people, so I was justhappy to see Rahab in there.
You know that's.
It made Jesus a little bit morerelatable to me and I even
started questioning whether ornot I should hang around him
because of his past, so that wasinteresting.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Well, if we don't want to be judged on our past, I
hope we're not holding itagainst the earth.
You know our ancestors, orwhatever.
I hope we're not holding itagainst Jesus In my head, I just
think about like Dolly Partonnow, like Beth's little house in
Texas.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
I believe this community, that Errin Bertrand,
it's like as soon as you tellthat story, that's like that's
who Rahab looks like now.
She's like Dolly.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Parton.
Okay, let me print this outthere again the Finding Faith
and Losing Sleep podcast.
You might have come herebecause of the religious
conversation that you hadreceived, and we talk about Jots
and Titles and we talk abouthey, it gets even better though
if I we keep going on here.
So I started reading more andI'm like, okay, ruth, and then,
right after that, jesse was born, david the king, and David was
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born Solomon by her, who hadbeen the wife of Uriah.
And I went wait a minute, david, david the king, oh man, david
was the guy who took Saul'splace, you know, in the Old
Testament as the king, and itwas because of his pure heart,
and he's the guy who wrote allthose Psalms and everything the
wife of Uriah.
And then, you know, I startedremembering that story and so I
went back and I looked at thatstory again and I went, whoa
(25:29):
snap, what did David do, youknow?
And it talks about Bathshebataking a bath at night and David
up on his rooftop and David,you know, essentially telling
his guards hey, go get her,bring her to me.
And then it gets her pregnantand she was the wife and he knew
it the wife of.
I don't know if he knew itbefore I got.
I got.
I should have went andrevisited that story, got her
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pregnant and then he essentiallykilled her husband.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah, had him out on the battlefield yeah yeah, all
by himself.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
He set him up and you know, you read a story like
that and you're like wait aminute, man, this is Jesus's
ancestry.
And I start thinking about mybackground and all the things
I've used as excuses over theyears, you know, and you guys
know, and I said that he wasunrelatable, he couldn't
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understand me.
And then I started thinkingabout these stories and I
started thinking about God'sfamily and how God does
understand me, because God's hada bunch of broken people that
he has called his family for avery long time and he has wanted
to rescue them, he has wantedto save them.
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And you know, whenever I startthinking about that and I think
about how Jesus knew all thisstuff and how he went to the
cross, not only for my sins butfor their sins, and I think
about how can Jesus do such athing?
Right, and I think the Bibletells us how would a man, how
can a man die for someone who'sa bad guy, like you know, and I
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always relate that to me but howcould Jesus do that for all
these people?
And I wonder if Jesus didn'tfeel the added pressure to do it
, kind of how you know, how Idon't know if you guys have ever
been in the muck, a little bitlike you just had to grab
yourself by the bootstraps andget something done.
Okay, I don't know if you guyshave ever.
(27:24):
I used to have this oldfarmhouse, that house at Bird,
and I would crawl underneaththere at night, I'm sorry, at
night, once a year, I don't know.
I would crawl underneath thereonce a year at you know, just to
check it out underneath thereAgain leaks under here and
anything.
It's old farmhouse, I'm tellingyou.
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There were some times whenyou're just you're crawling
around underneath the floorright, and the floor is just
right there at your chin right.
There wasn't a whole lot ofhousing, housing specifications
that had to be met whenever myhouse was built a long time ago,
not a crawl space specification.
No, no, no, and the house wasbuilt on so many different times
and everything.
So I'd crawl underneath there,I'd look and, you know, if I saw
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a pipe that was trickling orsomething like that, I'd do my
best to fix it to a guy whodidn't know anything.
Well, I was crawling back outof there one time and I had a
flashlight and I had it scootingunderneath there man scooting
underneath there and justgetting dirty, always just dirty
, dusty, all cobwebs all overthe place, and I shined my
flashlight around to try andfind my way out.
And I'll be, if a possum wasn'tstaring right at me.
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A possum, you ever see apossum's face?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, they're not gonna hear.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Have you ever seen a possum face under a house while
you're on your belly?
Speaker 3 (28:41):
No, just looking at you.
Did you play dead?
It's not on me.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I didn't know I could stand up underneath that house
and run, but I did so.
I scooted out of that house wowfast.
I never know I could go thatfast under that house.
I used to always hate goingunderneath that house because
I'd have to take my time andcrawling underneath there and
not hit my head on things.
I was good.
Whoo, I was gone.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
And so I got out and I'm like, okay, it didn't chase
me, it didn't beat me out oranything.
I'm shining my flashlight, I'mtrying to find it.
I'm going around the bottom ofthe house just looking at all
different angles.
I'm like he didn't move, man,he's playing dead.
Right, he's playing dead.
So I didn't know what to do andI didn't wanna go back
underneath there, so I juststarted taking rocks and started
throwing them by them.
You know, wham, wham.
I'm trying to wake him up,trying to get him to move, and I
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realized, huh, he is dead.
I got a dead possum under myhouse.
Yeah, yeah, exactly, this isn'tgoing to end well, is what I'm
thinking.
So I'm a country boy, right?
So I sleep on it, not thepossum.
Actually, I mean, I take anight to think about what am I
going to do While you're underthere at night?
Yeah, yeah, so I had to man upbecause I had to do something
(29:54):
about it, because I did not lookforward to the smell of a dead
possum, right?
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
So I did.
I crawled back underneath thehouse.
I got a shovel.
You know you don't want all thedetails.
I could just tell you if youever have to move an animal like
that, just don't look it in theeyes.
Oh, everything will be fine.
You'll end up being able totake care of business.
And that's what I did.
But I had to do it and I hadsomething inside of me.
I had to get mad enough to do itright.
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I had to feel the urgency, Ihad to feel a strong desire to
do so, and I wonder if thatisn't the same thing as what
Jesus had to, what he kind ofhad to get all strung up inside
to be able to go to that cross.
I wonder if he didn't think ofhis family history and think
about all the sins that had gonethrough his family history, all
(30:39):
the sins that was going to gothrough his family history
because, as we know, we areadopted into his family, we are
accepted into him because ofwhat Jesus did on the cross for
us, how he lived his life, allthose things.
And I wonder if he just didn'thave to just man up and get up
on that cross.
I gotta do this, I have to dothis and, man, I started
(31:01):
appreciating those things a lotmore whenever I started thinking
about his family history andwho he died for, not only in the
present like me, you guys butalso the people that he died for
from his past, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah, and even like it's like the thing about like
the disciples itself, and Ihonestly hadn't thought of it
that way.
But the chosen, which I knowwe've talked about before, is a
show I feel like does a reallygood job of helping me relate to
the Bible and I know we'll getto it at some point.
But it kind of went over thebeautitudes and as he was kind
(31:39):
of reciting he being the actorto place Jesus, so he was
reciting the beautitudes, likeeach one it brought like a
memory of a disciple andsomething that the disciple went
through and that's kind of whathe was doing.
This for, you know, blessed arethis, blessed are that.
You know, blessed are those whomourn, for they would be
(32:01):
comforted.
And it would just bring back amemory for him of you know one
of the disciples and somethingthey had been through or gone
through.
And for me it just made me thinkabout you know him in that
moment, thinking all thosethings and kind of being
reminded of why you know he'sdoing this.
You know he's seen thestruggles and the hardships that
(32:21):
we put on ourselves and heknows that we couldn't do it on
our own and that's just kind ofa constant reminder of you know
why he came to this world andwhat he had to finish in order
to accomplish what he wanted toaccomplish.
You could think of that withany any tough you know goal it
could be, you know work, itcould be sports.
Just think of things thatyou've kind of pushed yourself
(32:44):
to a limit for knowing the in-goand why you were doing it.
And I feel like that was kindof the case for for Jesus,
obviously a much bigger scale ofan in-go, but just kind of
going through life and pushinghimself to that limit of knowing
what he had to accomplish andwhat the reward would be once he
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was finished.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
So I referenced quite a few podcasts episodes ago,
something, and I said I wouldprobably say something later,
but I can relate to that becausemy dad and I are a father
daughter, okinawan Gojiru Blackbelts.
But, and it's very, our dojo isvery old, traditional, like
(33:31):
there's no smiling when you'reon the mat.
Your OB better not touch theground.
There's, you know, like wedon't practice coming close when
you're, when we're likefighting, because the thought is
is if you're going to get, ifyou know what it feels like to
get hit when you actually are ina fight, it's, it's not going
(33:53):
to surprise you, you're justgoing to react.
So you know, I had broken ribs,broken noses, all kinds of
stuff, just from class.
So when I first asked my dad ifI could start, you know,
starting karate, he was like no,because that's no place for
girls, basically was theresponse.
And after years of asking andasking and he finally took us
(34:16):
all down to the basement and putus through a workout you never
want to go through again.
And everybody else was likewhen he gave him the chance to
leave, they were out.
And I stood there and I sawthat like oh no, I'm not going
to be able to do that.
No Look.
And so he started teaching me.
Then he sent me to one of hisformer students in a town over,
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and so it kind of progressedfrom there.
And in our style you can't makeblack belt until you're 18.
But I actually got permissionfrom my son's say, to make black
belt when I was 17.
But even when you're going outfor promotion it's not a given
Like if you're going to get sick, you better get sick in your
(34:59):
ghee, it better not ever touchthe mat, like it's very old,
traditional, closed classtypically.
And so when I was going out forblack belt, you had to go
through a program and, quitehonestly, when I went out for
brown belt, I barely made it.
So when I was on my black beltprogram my dad was like man, not
(35:23):
going to do that this time.
And so we were in Myrtle Beachand we were on vacation quote
unquote vacation for me.
I was still on the program, sohe put me through a workout that
was insane, and I still don'tknow that I love Myrtle Beach
all that much this day.
(35:43):
We've been and it's been OK.
It's better the second time,third time around.
But I really made black beltthat day, like he pushed me to
my limit and then a littlefurther, and my mom took me to
all of the classes and we wouldspend the night in the dojo
because we lived an hour and ahalf away and I was still in
high school and it was just, itwas a lot.
(36:06):
And it was a three month programof workouts every single day
for hours and tournaments andall of that, and even then there
was no guarantee that you'regoing to make it.
And so when promotion day came,it was kind of like I've,
instead of being the person thatwas lagging behind, I was
(36:27):
finally the person that, becauseof that workout that my dad had
put me through, I was finallythat person that was like
everybody else is like, oh gosh,what else do we have left to do
?
And I'm like, hold on, there'snot much else to do.
Like you're looking at thistotally the wrong way.
And it was a really beautifulmoment and super special because
(36:49):
you worked so hard and had toquote unquote strap up your
boots, Like you really had to gofor it and give it all you had.
And then some and I think thatrelates to kind of what Jesus
had to go through Like he had togo through his lashings
basically and do what he had todo for us, and so I guess in
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some ways I can relate, butother ways I just can't, and I'm
so thankful for him.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Oh, definitely For sure, and I think about that
often.
Just what he did for us and allthose things, and it is a
strong story, a story ofstrength there, michelle, and
determination to be able to getall that done.
I didn't make it through anykind of karate.
I don't know.
There was karate was not for me.
My daughter tried karate, gotto the board part, broke the
boards, and I think that's asfar as we got.
(37:39):
So that's cool though that youdid that, and I'm glad you
remembered talking about thething you talked about with your
father that you would revisit.
So that's cool I know thosethings.
Move it out here.
Matthew, chapter one so that'sabout the genealogy.
So there's a lot of names inthere.
Don't be scared of the names Ifyou don't know what a name is.
Find out what the name is.
Find out the story from it,from in the Old Testament.
(38:00):
Get to know Jesus in his past alittle bit more and I think it
makes it more real.
I think it makes Jesus morereal.
But whenever you talk about hisbirth now, his birth gets crazy
too.
Right, Not just an ordinarybirth.
This was a little bit differentBecause if we go over to
Matthew, chapter one, it saysthe birth of Jesus Christ in
verse 18 was as follows when hismother Mary had been betrothed
(38:24):
to Joseph before they cametogether, she was found to be
with child by the Holy Spirit.
What?
Speaker 3 (38:34):
What Today's world with that, with that, check out.
There's zero chance, like likeMary would be on on Mori Povich
and try to figure out, you know,if Joseph is the father,
especially how it was.
There's like no way.
That's that's my thoughtprocess.
It's like Mary Joseph would beon Mori.
He keep pulling out the liedetector.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
He hears Joseph on cheaters.
Joseph on cheaters, it varies.
There I'm riding a donkey andand, and the guy pulls up there
and starts confronting Jesus,joseph.
So the whole genealogy was tolead us up to Joseph, his father
.
And so it starts talking aboutJoseph there and the family
history for him, and then itgets crazier.
(39:17):
His family history gets crazierbecause now Jesus has found to
be with Holy Spirit.
Let me say this we talked aboutthis a couple of different
times If you're going to make upa Bible, I don't think you make
this the birth story of the, ofthe person you know, of the, of
the, of the center person, ofthe hero of the story.
I don't think this is how youmake the story.
I mean, I don't know, I'm not agreat writer, I don't know if I
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could write a story like this,but I just don't see this being
how you would do it.
You know you would have some.
I guess this wasn't a macularbirth, but not one quite like
this.
To me it just there'd be.
There'd be other things goingon.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Yeah, I mean it's, it's tough.
I mean, even like you talkabout the, the angel appearing
and again there's, there's a waythat babies are made that we
all know of and that's that'snot what took place here.
So just that in itself, like he, he risk kind of losing any
reader that's trying to uselogic and and trying to, you
(40:17):
know, kind of put in the thefactual that they know and see
that situation immediately.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Well, especially the picture of Jesus that I think
that I was portrayed as a kid.
Where where's that perfect guy,that guy that's better than
everybody else, kind of a thing.
This isn't this.
No, this isn't how his birthstory would go to me, you know.
So it's kind of cool to see it,because he, I think about it.
What did the neighborhood kidssay about Jesus's birth?
(40:45):
You know, did, how?
How did did that story evercome out?
What did his brothers andsisters think he did?
Did his cousins, you know, likeother cousins other than John
the Baptist?
Did his cousins talk about it?
Did they hear about Jesus'sbirth?
And did some people look atJoseph a little funny, you know,
they're really dude or Mary, alittle bit funny, you know, I
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don't know, I don't know how anyof that went, except for the
fact that there were so manyother circumstances around it
that were miraculous that theycouldn't deny it.
You know, like, like, it justcouldn't, you couldn't, you knew
it was a little sketchy.
But then, at the end ofeverything, you're like oh boy,
it all makes sense now, you know, at the resurrection, when he
(41:30):
was resurrected from the deadand, and he got Jesus's brother
James even becoming a believerafterwards and he wasn't.
It didn't seem like there werebelievers.
Many of his family werebelievers beforehand, but
becoming a believer afterwards,and to the death right, a martyr
.
And so you start thinking aboutthose things that it was like,
just it all made sense, justlike it did for the apostles
After the resurrection.
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It was kind of like a ahamoment, you know, just oh, I get
it now.
And I wonder if it wasn't thesame thing for his family too.
After, after it all gets saidand done, they start looking at
the birth story again andrevisiting maybe some of those
old stories that they heard thatjust didn't add up, just didn't
make sense, that they kind ofthought was a little sketchy,
and they go oh, I get it now, Iget it.
I understand why he had to beconceived by the Holy Spirit and
(42:13):
not by Joseph, because he was100% God and he was 100% man and
so it's just how it had to be.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but, like hindsight
is 2020, so I'm sure they sawthat afterwards.
But if we back up, when he waswith the the disciples and went
to his hometown, they were goingto throw him off a cliff
because they they didn't believethat he was who he says he was,
because they were just he'sjust the guy that they all grew
(42:44):
up with and knew right, like guyfrom the neighborhood, so like
that, almost be like what youpeer.
Going back to back home and belike, yeah, I'm the Messiah.
They'd be like shut up here.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
Yeah, and the crazy part is that.
So if some like he would thinkthat some miracles took place,
but it even talks about how,being back home, he couldn't do
much because of their non beliefand so he was even hampered,
you know, around them justbecause you know this is just
(43:17):
childhood Jesus, you're, you're,no one special, you're no
Messiah, and so, like, eventheir lack of faith and that, in
that aspect, like stopped himor prevented him from from doing
some of the miraculous thingsthat others got to witness
because of that doubt anddisbelief.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Yeah, the prophet wasn't welcoming his hometown, I
believe.
Quote unquote I think so.
So, joseph, her husband, beinga righteous man and not wanting
to disgrace her, desired to puther away in secret because she
was betrothed to him, whichmeant, you know, promise to him.
So, hey, she's going to marrythat guy and then she ends up
pregnant and he's like, I don'tknow, I believe it.
I guess he didn't believe herstory, which I can understand.
(43:56):
Why not?
You know, joseph, joseph, I'mpregnant.
How did that conversation go?
Speaker 3 (44:02):
Joseph man.
That's where Mori came in.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
But I mean is there what he's like?
He's like you're what?
And she, maybe she's showing alittle bit and he can't believe
it.
And then she tells him thestory.
I can only imagine.
Obviously he didn't necessarilybelieve it right off the start,
right?
Speaker 3 (44:22):
I mean just, he didn't believe you, I mean no no
, exactly, and I believe it tookhis own vision for him to even
come to to grips that this couldbe a possibility and a
realization.
So yeah, I mean he wasrighteous, but even with him
being righteous, it took his owndream and vision to kind of get
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it together and make a decision, to kind of stay it out and be
there for both of them.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Verse 20 says.
But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord
appeared to him in a dreamsaying Joseph, son of David, do
not be afraid to take Mary asyour wife, for that which has
been conceived in her is of theHoly Spirit, and she will bear a
son, and she will bear a son,and you shall call his name
Jesus, for it is he who willsave the people from their sins.
And they use the genealogythere, didn't he?
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Even the angel used it.
Joseph, son of David, you knowthat's what that genealogy was
for, and maybe it was to remindJoseph even that.
Hey man, don't forget David's inyour genealogy.
Don't forget that bloodlinesaren't always as pure as they
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appear, you know right, andthings don't go always as
planned, but God alwaysaccomplishes his will.
God's promise was going to bemade through David, the king,
and he had to make it throughthat relationship that David had
with Uriah.
But David and Uriah's firstchild didn't live.
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It passed away, and so it wasSolomon, their second child,
that carried that promise, right?
And so, you know, the bloodlinejust followed through there.
And now here's a littlereminder, maybe, to Joseph that
his bloodline wasn't exactly aspure as he wanted it to be.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
That'd be so tough like just thinking about it,
like it's hard not to just sithere and just kind of imagine
Joseph and just that wholeordeal playing out.
So even what the angel likecoming I think it's 24 that kind
of basically calls out Joseph'sdecision, that basically he did
what the angel said.
(46:43):
Because even after that, likeyou'd still be like really, is
this really happening to meright now?
Is this real?
And so, again, to kind of takeit all in, take in, obviously,
the angel in your dream andtaking in Mary and the woman
that you believed her to be,it's a lot to kind of take in,
(47:08):
because I mean even into, liketoday's world.
You're thinking about trustissues.
What dreams you're thinkingabout?
You know, was I hallucinatingor was I mirage?
There's just so many differentquestions that come in.
So for him to kind of decipherall of that and still decide to
go through with it, I mean thatsays a lot.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
It does.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
I'm stuck right now, Wes, because I swear you just
said that Uriah was the woman.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Oh no, uriah was the husband.
I'm sorry I may have I was likewait a minute.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
I'm looking at Pierre like hold on, what did he just
say?
Speaker 1 (47:45):
And I couldn't deter you, but I just wanted to
clarify that oh no, no, hey, Iworked bread man hour, so I've
been up for a long, long time.
Ok, so I could have.
I could have said that I am nota perfect man, michelle, no
matter what you think of me.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
I think you're pretty perfect.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Now I got to say this too.
Well, let me read this part andthen I'll say it.
Now, all this took place, thatwhat was spoken of through the
Lord.
Through the Lord, the prophetmight be fulfilled, saying
behold, the virgin shall be withchild and shall bear his son
and shall call his name Emmanuel, which translated, god with us.
Ok.
So it was in Joseph Rosamerssleep, did this of the angel,
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commanded him, took her as hiswife and kept her virgin until
she gave birth to a son andcalled his name Jesus.
Now, matthew quotes here from, Iwant to say, the book of Isaiah
, if I am not mistaken about hisname being Emmanuel, and
Matthew himself, the writer ofthis, was a tax collector right.
He was one of the guys thatJesus went around and saw and
(48:43):
picked and maybe handpicked aswell to be one of his apostles.
He was one of the guys thatwent around with him and, as
Matthew, the tax collector rightand not a guy with good
reputation.
So he was a guy, though, and heturned out to be very faithful
to Jesus, and Matthew wrote thisbook because he was a Jew, to a
bunch of Jews, so he wrote itfrom a Jewish perspective, so
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he's always presenting Jesus asfulfilling scripture.
Fulfilling scripture.
Fulfilling scripture.
As you go through the book ofMatthew, it presents him as a
king as well, kind of throughoutthe entire thing, for that
David lineage that was needed,as the guy who was going to
fulfill all those Old Testamentprophecies.
So that's kind of the picturethat Matthew portrays.
(49:26):
And all of the apostles in theepistles write Jesus in a
specific way, towards a specificaudience, because that's where
their talents and background lie.
And I remember, guys, whenever Iwas a young man and I was doing
some sermons and I was at achurch and it was filled with a
whole bunch of smart people,smart, smart people and I can
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remember talking like this,trying to sound very smart
myself.
That's what I did.
And there was a man who knew mefrom before.
I decided to turn into a smartfellow and he said I miss the
old West.
I didn't understand what hesaid until I started thinking
(50:10):
about it and I listened back toa sermon or a lesson that I
taught or something and I waslike miss the old West.
And so this is me, this is mybackground, this is my story and
, yeah, we got to changeprobably some of our habits,
some of the things we do inorder to be a good child of God.
(50:30):
Right, because I don't want tobe a disobedient child, but at
the same time, my background, myhistory, the things in my
lineage, all those things mademe into who I am and I shouldn't
shy away from those things.
This is my perspective.
I shouldn't shy away from thosethings.
I should share them openly andI should have a zeal for my past
because of what God has broughtme through to bring me into my
(50:53):
present.
And if I don't share thosethings, then it seems like all
that time that I spent as a kid,all that time I spent growing
up, it's kind of wasted and fornaught.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
You know Well.
In addition, I mean you're kindof in a place to relate to
folks similar to yourself thathave those similar backgrounds.
So if you're trying to besomething you're not, then
you're missing the opportunityto relate to a certain group,
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just like Michelle.
So she relates to women reallywell because she's a woman,
she's gone through womanlythings that have taken place in
her life and so if you're doingthat and I'm not saying you're
not smart, but if you'repretending to be smart you're
kind of forcing what you're notand you're not being true to
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yourself and you're missing agroup that you personally were
put into this world to relate to.
So you just kind of keep thatin mind as well.
Like even listeners, don't tryto be something you're not.
Try to be you.
You are knit together perfectly.
You know, in your mother's wombyou've gone through the things
(52:12):
you've gone through as anindividual to kind of prepare
you for some of the relatabilityand conversations that you're
caught to have.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Well, and I've kind of lived by the premise of if
you have to tell somebody you'resomething, you're probably not,
because if you are, it's goingto show for itself.
So if we pretend we tell peoplewe're Christians but we don't
live that way, then we have totell them that for them to
believe it right and maybe toget ourselves to believe it, but
(52:43):
if we really are, it's going toshow for itself.
And as far as you were sayingwith genetics, genetics are
powerful.
Like I can't even count howmany times I've said to Pierre
see where I get it, like, say,with my mom or dad, and be like,
yep, there it is, that's why Ido what I do.
So I think that just runs inall of us and those things are
(53:03):
powerful.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
They are, and I realized at some point that I
was falling into peer pressureof trying to be smart, right,
just like I had fallen into peerpressure to do all the things
that I did in my past, and so Iwas just following that trend.
I'm like whoa, whoa, whoa.
And so I started being myselfand I'm so glad I did.
And you're right, pierre, Irelate to those people a lot
(53:26):
better than I relate to thesmart people.
I'm not going to minister,listen, I ain't going to
minister to them, smart people.
That just ain't what I'm goingto do.
I ain't built for that now.
No, listen, hey, we appreciatey'all very much, matthew.
Chapter one is in the books,and so are we.
We are in the books of thatvoting thing.
Go over to the pinned tweetover on the Finding Faith Pod.
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Is that right on Twitter?
Speaker 3 (53:48):
Yeah, at Finding Faith Pod, and I do have it
pinned in podcast.
People's Choice Awards.
I believe we'll find out ifwe're actually a finalist at the
end of this month when theactual voting for the award
begins.
Right now it's just nominations.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Should beat you up, man Should beat you up.
Yeah, I don't like to.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
Yeah, we appreciate again the nominations and just
the thought of us just being inin considerations.
Very, very grateful for that.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
Yes, it is.
You saw how he enunciated thatpart, right I?
Speaker 1 (54:21):
did.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Yes, I did.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
No, it is humbling.
And look, we're not after allthat stuff.
It's just not something we'redoing.
We're putting it out therebecause if you're a part of this
journey with us, I know youwould be proud for the podcast
to win something as well, or todo whatever.
And it's all about thelisteners, it's all about God,
it's all about those things.
It's not about anything else.
But we would say it's accordingto the algorithms, it's all
(54:45):
about that five star ratingaccording to.
But I think it's more importantthat if you enjoy this podcast
and you think somebody couldrelate to it, just send it to
them.
Just, you know, tell them, hey,listen to this podcast because
it might be able to help you out.
You'll understand that youdon't have to be an intelligent
person to be able to follow God.
Maybe that's what you'll sayafter listening to me, but this
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isn't built around awards.
This isn't built aroundalgorithms.
This isn't built around allthose things.
This is built about threefriends trying to get together,
discuss topics that keep peopleup late at night and hopefully
come to a conclusion and be agood godly example to those
people that are listening to it,and that's all we're trying to
do.
Can I get an amen on that one.
Speaker 2 (55:27):
Amen Amen.
Reach for the West hey listen.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
We want to encourage everybody out there to pray for
one another.
Pray for us and we will prayfor you.
It's time to wake up and pray up here.
On the Finding Faith and LosingSleep podcast, I'm Wes Eason,
one of your hosts, and loafingit over on Twitter.
Don't forget to follow the twoco-hosts.
I think they're the pre-hosts,the post-hosts, the most-hosts.
The host is with the mostesses.
It's Pierre at Pee Wee 31 overon Twitter and Michelle at Gopat
Go.
9-1-1, 4-1-1, 4-1-1.
(00:28):
I did the night one-one jokebefore, Michelle.
I can't get it out of my head.
I thought it was somebody.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It's just stuck that way now right.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
After Aaron Rodgers left.
I think it's an emergency therenow.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
We'll see.
Nobody really knows, so we'llsee.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
We shall see.
And, pierre, how are you, myfriend, I haven't talked to you
in a long time.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I'm doing well.
You had a little rattle rightbefore we went live, like you
were opening up hostess like ading-doh or cupcake or something
.
I was like, oh boy, here we go.
Maybe you were just flippingthrough your Bible and they just
sounded like chips again.
Maybe that was it.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Pierre, Pierre, Pierre, my chippy Bible.
I guess we need to see ifFrito-Lay makes a Bible.
Maybe we can be sponsored byFrito-Lay Bibles or something.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Pierre.
Hey, we are excited to be hereon the Finding Faith and Losing
Sleep podcast, episode 18.
You guys may not be excitedbecause we're going to be going
over Matthew chapter 1, which isthe genealogy and then the
birth of Jesus.
So I got some questions to askand I got some observations to
make from Matthew chapter 1.
It's one of those chapters,pierre, michelle, where whenever
(01:31):
I first started reading theBible, I was like, okay, I'll
start reading the Bible, youknow, come condition, I'm going
to start reading the Bible.
And I was like Genesis well,that's an old looking book, the
Old Testament.
It's called Old for a Reason.
I'm going to go at least to theNew Testament and I'm going to
get started there.
And I think that was thebiggest mistake of my life,
because I started the NewTestament and I got to all those
names and I'm like I have nevermet anybody with half of these
(01:53):
names, more than half, threequarters of these names.
Where did all these people comefrom?
Is what I was thinking.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
It's a struggle and I'll tell you like half the
times that I've actuallyattempted to start reading the
Bible, probably the main reasonsI stopped was because of the
genealogy, just the what's theson of this, what's the son of
this, what's the daughter ofthis?
And I just I just can't.
I don't want to just skimthrough it Like I'm sure the
(02:18):
genealogy was important and Imean you can like read about,
you know how it was, basicallylike their alphabet.
You know, back in these timeswhere they were basically
remembering their history, whichis important.
You know your family trees,your family history.
But it's a struggle for me.
It's like taping the eyelidsopen and just doing your best to
pull through it.
I really struggle with all thenames.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Personally, I find it humorous now, michelle,
whenever I look at the names andyou guys know me I can barely
read right.
English is my second language.
I think you both know that bynow.
I don't know, I don't know whatmy first language is, but it's
certainly with the way Ipronounce the eight and spell
and do grammar, english is notmy first language, right?
That's just what I have come toconclude, and so whenever I
(03:01):
look at all these names, I justfake it till I make it.
I just keep going through themlike yeah, I don't care if I say
them wrong, I don't care if Isay them right.
If I get it 50% right, I feelvery accomplished.
But they just I find them asfunny little names and I'm sure
it's not funny little names,michelle.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I'm sure it's not.
I think it's just, I think it'ssmart to do it your way, west,
because then it at least makesit interesting and exciting.
Right, like you just go throughand say them however you want
and like give yourself a littlechuckle here and there.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Well, if you always act like a goober whenever it
comes time to do something likethis, it just looks natural to
you.
So that's how I get across withit.
But no, but I mean thegenealogy, though, is so
important because we do get tolearn, I guess, the background,
and you know, on some of thosepast episodes of the finding
faith and losing sleep podcast,you can go back there and listen
to those things and you'll findout our backgrounds to be able
(03:53):
to understand us a little bitbetter.
And I, you know, we can sitthere and judge a lot of people
in this world just on book cover.
You know, what is it that weexactly see the moment we see
them, we already put them in abox.
We already judge people alittle bit.
You know, we kind of have metsomebody that looked like that
before or acted like that before, have walked like that before,
(04:13):
and so whenever we think aboutJesus and we put them in a box
wait a minute, we got to findout his history.
A little bit, like in thosepast podcasts, you can find out
about our history and go okay,now I can see why Wes says that
the way he does, or why Pierrethinks that way, or why Michelle
thinks that way, and so we cankind of see those things.
So let me ask you guys this,because I think it's a good
(04:35):
question to ask, and I've beenasking myself this all week and
I probably should, should justask you guys this earlier this
week to let you think about it.
I don't know when, maybe beforeyou became a Christian, or
whenever you first thought aboutJesus, or not even then.
I mean just in your life,because we've all heard that
name of Jesus throughout ourentire lives but before you got
to know him a little bit better,what did you think about him?
(04:58):
What box did you put him in?
Who was he to you and what kindof reputation did he have?
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I guess so I guess I'll start.
So to me he was black and I saythat just being raised off of a
black family, African Americanfamily, however you want to say
it and like a lot of ourchurches, it points to
Revelation, which I know we'renot talking to now, but it just
(05:26):
talks about the burnt skin,which a lot of us take it as
brown, dark skin, the wool typeof hair and the type of hair
that we have.
So immediately that's kind ofthe thought that that's taught
At least that was taught with megrowing up.
(05:47):
And so then you start seeingthese pictures of Jesus
throughout and you're like, well, that's not who I was taught at
all.
And then you actually get intothe Bible and you're like, well,
they're wrong.
Also, he's not a white person,honestly.
But you think about it.
There's some type of descentand there's definitely a tan of
(06:09):
some sort there when it comes toJesus.
But just from a parentstandpoint, that was just the
difference, and again, ours waskind of based off of Revelation.
But then it also ties into whatyou can see versus not see.
And so honestly, growing up,there's that doubt when things
(06:30):
are going wrong in your life,when folks are getting sick,
folks are passing away.
It's like, OK, well, this isJesus guy and not even real.
Because why would this stuff behappening to good people?
Why do bad things happen togood people, which we talked
about before?
If he was so loving and sokindful and graceful and full of
mercy, why do these things takeplace?
(06:50):
So those are a lot of thoughtsthat ran through younger peers
at least.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I got to know them and I remember the television
show Good Times and on the wallthey had the picture of the
Black Jesus.
Did you guys have a picture ofthe Black Jesus in your house?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
We did not in our house, no, but I'm familiar with
Good Times and what you weretrying to do.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I mean, they did it A little Michael.
I think Michael was theyoungest brother's name and he
would go off on that picturesometimes.
I liked that.
That was one of my favoriteshows growing up, by the way.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I mean that's.
I mean it's honest, that's kindof you know what.
You're not necessarily raisedthat way, but just in based off
the what you hear in the Blackchurch.
And again it points to thatversion of revelation or that
verse in revelations where ittalks about the scene like
whoever I can't remember who itwas that kind of saw the image
(07:46):
of Jesus and just thatdescription is kind of what it's
based off of.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Oh yeah, those paintings of Jesus that we see,
with the clean cut look and theswooping back you know Harry
going back and the clean cutface and everything like that
and you know he's a tannedCaucasian is what he looks like
and that's what I thought.
That was the picture I had inmy head, because that was always
the picture or painting that Ihad always seen in books or
(08:12):
whatever.
And then as you get to knowthings, you're like, okay,
that's furthest from the truth,probably, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
That's what I was going to say.
My Jesus was not black.
Growing up it was basically theone that you just described to
us, that was hanging in mygrandparents' house, that I saw
everywhere.
And I agree with Pierre, though, like and you like, the more we
read that's not even reallyanywhere close to what he was.
(08:41):
But like, for me growing up itwas.
I mean, if I'm really beinghonest, like I think I said,
when I was younger, we stopped,like, going to church.
My dad got my parents gotreally frustrated with what's
the word I'm looking for thehypocrisy that they were feeling
(09:01):
and like people talking aboutpeople instead of just welcoming
people to church, no matterwhat they were wearing or
looking at, and it just got tobe too much for them.
And we would like watch RobertShuler sometimes, or you know
just different pastors on TVhere and there, but more so.
(09:21):
It was like we prayed every,you know, every time we had it
before, we had meals and stufflike that, but I mean it wasn't
like prevalent, I think it wasjust more of a.
You know Jesus died for you andwe prayed to God and you know,
know the difference betweenright and wrong type of thing.
(09:43):
Until I was probably in highschool when we started going
back to it like a missionarychurch, and so even then, like
as a high school student, I justkind of checked out from really
being honest, and so it wasn'treally until, you know, I was an
adult and bought my first house, and my best friend has always
(10:05):
been a really good influence, areally good Christian influence,
in my life, and so she reallykind of kept me steady, at least
having set that example for me.
So yeah, I think it wasn'tuntil I got older that I really
started to kind of forming anopinion.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
So okay, now Let me ask you this how approachable
was Jesus, the church?
Because I think Jesus and thechurch kind of go hand in hand,
represent each other, you know.
I mean like, like, could herelate to what you were going
through?
Could it was it was it, was hea relatable character?
Did you feel like you couldapproach him like today?
(10:46):
I think, as a Christian, youknow we talked to God, we talked
to God through Jesus and youknow there may be even times
when you have conversations withGod through Jesus, but you're
talking more to Jesus than youare to God, because he's our
mediator, you know.
So you're just kind of talkingand have like a friendly
relationship, but did you thinkthat he was a friend back then?
Did you think that he wasrelatable?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
and no, I mean, I didn't.
For me I didn't see it that way,like I, for me it was God, like
I don't know how to explainthat but it wasn't until, kind
of, I started Diving into faithmore and, quite honestly I think
I probably mentioned it once onthis podcast like I always get
confused like am I supposed topray to God?
(11:29):
I was supposed to pray to Jesus,like what am I supposed to do?
And so it wasn't necessarilyTangible for me and I think I
mentioned this previously untilI went through my miscarriage
and like everything kind ofstarted changing then.
So that whole scenario justreally brought me closer to
(11:51):
Jesus and closer to God and andI started to understand the Holy
Spirit and, quite honestly,after having Olivia that's what
helps, like you know, with herquestions, and so her questions
about things started and quitemaking me go you know what I
need to understand this a littlebetter, a little better, like
when we talked about the HolyTrinity and you know, so,
(12:12):
learning through the eyes of achild has been really great for
me.
So I think I think that's areally great question, west,
because you know, oftentimes wejust assume that people have
this base understanding andmaybe they don't.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
All right, what about you, pierre?
For me, I, I thought that Jesuswas, I, an unapproachable
character, you know, like hewould Me and him, just wouldn't
get along right, because Ialways pictured Jesus is kind of
a preppy guy and it might havebeen because of that picture
that I used to see, because helooked, he looked like he was
the star football player.
You know, he, just he lookedlike he was the guy and I was
(12:49):
not necessarily the guy and I,he just he wouldn't be able to
relate to me at all.
We're just from two differentsides of the road, we're from
two different planets, which wekind of are.
But he, just he, I just to me.
I couldn't approach him at allif he was right there in front
of me because it just seemedlike, I don't know, he was too
(13:09):
good, he, two shoes from each ofPierre.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
So he never felt unapproachable.
Um, so, even if I Wasn't goingto to church myself or if my mom
or or whoever wasn't taking meto church like I, I still had
those figures.
Like my grandma, I would alwayshave something on whether it be
like a TD Jake's who I didn'teven know back then, but she was
watching and you know she, likemy family, always had that,
(13:37):
that rooted faith somewhere.
You know, starting from theelders, you know I had a media.
I know the the movie doesn'tnecessarily do it justice
Without the comedy, but you knowI had a, a media who you know
was in church always praying forus.
You know my grandma did thesame, and even my mom, you know
eventually he's the one thatmade me promise to obviously get
baptized.
You know she had some rootsthere.
(13:58):
So it was never aUnapproachable type of feel, it
was just more of.
Is this real type of ordeal?
Um, and when you look at, youknow poverty and you know kind
of how you can see others livinglives compared to how you're
living lives, whether it be youknow going from house to house
and written, and you know Thingson those lines where you go and
(14:19):
you got friends that you know,have these big old houses and
all these things and it's likeokay.
So you know, what am I doingwrong?
Or what am I family do wrong?
You know, why are we not living?
You know this earthly way, likeother people are living?
There are some of the questionsthat I kind of had, um, and
kind of just made it, I don'tknow like not as tangible.
I guess, um, in a sense, um,because you knew some of those
(14:43):
people and that they weren't thebest people either.
And so, again, if you know thisis supposed to be, uh, a savior
of the world and you knowyou're supposed to be
quote-unquote rewarded for, forrighteousness and the wicked you
know are supposed to be, youknow, getting taken down, it
just didn't seem real in the theworld itself, like that was
happening.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Okay, all right, and uh, before I move on here and a
little bit more conversationabout this, I need to remind
everybody and I forgot to remindeverybody at the beginning of
this podcast, because we mightbe under that religious section
of the of you know, the googlesearches or the spotify searches
and everything like that wemight be under and and if you
turned into this podcast forsome deep theological debate,
(15:22):
it's not going to be here, right?
We are a podcast made for theaverage everyday person who is
staying awake at night thinkingabout life matters, thinking
about faithful matters, thinkingabout just what's going on in
their lives in the past and thepresent and what's going to
happen in the future.
And that's what this podcast isabout.
We try to make it for theeveryday people.
We all have a little bit oftheology Underneath our belts,
(15:45):
maybe just not some from somebig school.
We're going to use big words totry and scare people off.
All right, that's not what we'regoing to do.
We try to just communicatethrough a normal everyday way,
and so that's that's.
That's what we are.
Hey, that reminds me, pierre,what you?
You had me vote for something.
You had me vote for me.
I.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Individualize yourself here.
But oh, uh, we had nominationsfor the podcast awards, uh, so
got an alert that we werenominated and it seems like the
the more nominations you get, um, the better you have at making
it to the final.
So thanks for whoever initiallynominated and, uh, to give you
a chance, uh, it's the podcastawards of people's choice.
(16:28):
Uh, they can be found atpodcast awards on twitter.
Um, there's a website, I thinkthe.
The deadline is at the end ofthis month, um, so we got about
a week left to be nominated, butwe're under the people's choice
category and the religion andspirituality Category, so if we
have enough nominations, uh,then they will send out kind of
the finalists to actually, youknow, be voted on, uh, to win a
(16:52):
podcast award.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
So we have enough votes for already nominated oh.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
No, the voting's not open yet.
It's still nomination.
Oh, I got you.
Okay, he asked me.
Now you.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Hey, hey, hey, we're under the marriage counseling To
me, or the podcast too.
Marriage counseling is whatwe're under.
Hey, uh, no, but you, you havethat over there on the twitter
handle, the finding faith andlosing sleep podcast.
Twitter handle at finding faith.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Right, right.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
At finding faith.
Pod, you can find that.
I'm sure you will pin thatImmediately so people can vote
for us.
No, look, we don't.
The vote, the vote, that isvery it's, it's, it's, it's nice
, it's nice.
I'll.
I'll be honest with you, it'sjust nice.
And all the five star reviewsthat you guys have left, the
questions, the comments, allthose things have been fantastic
.
Thank you so much for justinteracting with us on this
podcast and, uh, that it's ablessing.
(17:41):
It's a blessing to all of usand we hope that we are blessing
to you as well.
All right, so I told you how myjesus was.
My jesus was kind ofunapproachable.
I just didn't understand him.
I didn't think that he wouldunderstand me.
It just it didn't seem like afathomable conversation, besides
the fact that nobody evertalked about him from wherever I
was.
But I used to.
I used to go to church with myaunt, my uncle, whenever I stay
with them on the on in thesummertime, and I would hear
(18:04):
stuff, right, but it just didn'tseem relatable to me.
I was never going to be goodenough.
Yeah, I'm not a church kid,church going kid.
Uh, I live, I live in I don'tknow the wrong side of the
tracks.
I live in poverty.
I live.
I'm way to.
I can't relate to this becauseI was just saw.
I don't know christianity.
I always saw jesus as justbeing better than what I could
(18:26):
ever be.
Right, does that make sense?
I said that, okay.
So when I became a christian,you know, I started in that new
testament and I got over thereto matthew, chapter one.
I was like what the world isgoing on here?
And so I passed all that stuffand I got into other things and
I got into teaching, you know,in the new testament.
And then years later I studied,I read a book, I studied a book
(18:48):
.
Whatever you want to say.
It was a josh mcdowell book.
How to study your bible is whatit was called, and one of the
ways that he Tried to tellpeople to study the bible was to
read a chapter six times andoutline books.
Right, as you go throughoutline books, read the chapter
six times, entitle the chapteryourself because other somebody
else just Entitled your chapter.
I don't know if I say entitled,titled your chapter in your
(19:11):
bible.
So you go ahead and title yourchapters.
You go ahead and Kind of talkabout where the verses in and
where the verses begin and wherethe chapter breaks, kind of
come in there, you know, andjust title all the different
sections in your bible, but read, read a chapter six times so
you can get a good understandingof it.
I'm like, dude, you want me toread something six times, man?
So I did, though, and that waswhere the like the matthew
(19:34):
chapter one kind of struck me,and I looked at Matthew one and
I went through it.
You know.
Genealogy first time, genealogysecond time.
Oh, I gotta do it a third time,you know, but I think it was
the fourth or fifth time when Iread it, and I went wait a
minute, man, hold up who.
I remember hearing somethingabout these people, you know,
(19:57):
and Abraham Isaac jacob Okay,those guys are all pillars of
the faith.
Right in chapter verse two, Ifill up pillars of the faith.
Then you get to Judah and Perezand Zara.
By tamar and Perez was bornHezron, hezron Ram.
Who, in the world are all thesepeople?
And you know, I'd been in.
I've been a Christian for awhile, so I've been hearing a
lot of names, I've been hearinga lot of things, and then it got
down to verse five, and and thesomeone was born boas by Rahab.
(20:23):
And I went wait a minute, rahab.
Hey, well, it was Rahab.
And so I started doing a littleresearch, like who is Rahab?
And Uh, first first place thattook me was Hebrews 11, the
great chapter of faith, like allthese heroes of the faith, and
Rahab is mentioned in there.
Rahab was a harlot.
(20:43):
Okay, rahab the harlot, andwe're talking about the
genealogy of Jesus Christ.
This is his family history.
These are the people that werein his family.
This is where he came from.
These are the people I'm notgonna say he knew, because these
were generations before him,but you know, hey, jesus, do you
remember your aunt Rahab?
You know?
I mean, could you imagine thathad a conversation at some point
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, right, rahab the harlot.
Do you guys know what Rahab didfor a living?
Nope, you don't know.
In Joshua, chapter two, she ranan inn.
A harlot, a prostitute, ran aninn, did she?
She ran a house man.
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You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Like, she was a madam .
That's who she was.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I mean you.
You can cut him up and dice itup and slice it up any way you
want to, but I'm gonna tell youwhat.
All apologies to Rahab, oh, Idon't mean to say this the wrong
way, but I was so happy thatRahab Was a harlot To.
There's a degree for me becauseI will.
All of a sudden, I sit thereand I look at Matthew, chapter
one, and I'm looking at that andI'm reading that.
(21:53):
I'm going wait a minute.
Jesus does understand me alittle bit better.
You know, holy cow, this Jesusguy, I don't know about him.
That's what I started thinking.
You know, I'm like whoa.
All of us should be hangingaround.
A guy with a family historylike this is what I started
thinking.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Right, I mean you can see it yourself and not to cut
you off there, but think abouthow popular things like
Ancestrycom are, 23andme andbasically all these things where
you can send off saliva orwhatever it is, you know, two
blood samples, a couple vials ofplasma and kind of find out,
(22:31):
you know, like who your historyis.
You know some folks realizethey got different heritage and
you know that they may not be100% African-American, they
might have Korean or somethinglike that or it's just.
It's interesting from thatstandpoint.
So when you look at it fromthere and just kind of finding
out your family history versushow most people do it, when you
(22:54):
read the Bible which is justokay, these are a bunch of names
of a bunch of people that had abunch of kids it kind of
changes the perspective of itquite a bit.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
No, it definitely does.
And I think about all thesenames and it's great to go back
there and look at all thedifferent stories like that, you
know, and it's fun to look atthose different stories because
you do get to learn more aboutJesus and his background, just
like listening to past podcastsof ours.
You can hear our background andso it's kind of cool to hear
that.
And I know Jesus didn't walkwith these guys necessarily.
(23:25):
You know all that stuff, I getit but it made him so much more
relatable to me.
And you know Rahab she was agreat pillar of the faith
because she obeyed God is whatshe did, even though she was in
her situation.
It became present for the spiesof God to go there and she had
to.
She kept him hid.
(23:45):
She basically didn't rat himout, all those things and she
was faithful to God through thattime and he rescued her.
And she has mentioned in a greatchapter Hebrews, chapter 11,
another great chapter.
If you ever want to beencouraged about the past of
God's people and what theyovercame and how they stayed
faithful to God, hebrews 11 isgreat for that.
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It just it could be a veryencouraging chapter.
So yeah, like I said, I look atthings a little bit different
than some people, so I was justhappy to see Rahab in there.
You know that's.
It made Jesus a little bit morerelatable to me and I even
started questioning whether ornot I should hang around him
because of his past, so that wasinteresting.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Well, if we don't want to be judged on our past, I
hope we're not holding itagainst the earth.
You know our ancestors, orwhatever.
I hope we're not holding itagainst Jesus In my head, I just
think about like Dolly Partonnow, like Beth's little house in
Texas.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
I believe this community, that Errin Bertrand,
it's like as soon as you tellthat story, that's like that's
who Rahab looks like now.
She's like Dolly.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Parton.
Okay, let me print this outthere again the Finding Faith
and Losing Sleep podcast.
You might have come herebecause of the religious
conversation that you hadreceived, and we talk about Jots
and Titles and we talk abouthey, it gets even better though
if I we keep going on here.
So I started reading more andI'm like, okay, ruth, and then,
right after that, jesse was born, david the king, and David was
(25:06):
born Solomon by her, who hadbeen the wife of Uriah.
And I went wait a minute, david, david the king, oh man, david
was the guy who took Saul'splace, you know, in the Old
Testament as the king, and itwas because of his pure heart,
and he's the guy who wrote allthose Psalms and everything the
wife of Uriah.
And then, you know, I startedremembering that story and so I
went back and I looked at thatstory again and I went, whoa
(25:29):
snap, what did David do, youknow?
And it talks about Bathshebataking a bath at night and David
up on his rooftop and David,you know, essentially telling
his guards hey, go get her,bring her to me.
And then it gets her pregnantand she was the wife and he knew
it the wife of.
I don't know if he knew itbefore I got.
I got.
I should have went andrevisited that story, got her
(25:50):
pregnant and then he essentiallykilled her husband.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah, had him out on the battlefield yeah yeah, all
by himself.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
He set him up and you know, you read a story like
that and you're like wait aminute, man, this is Jesus's
ancestry.
And I start thinking about mybackground and all the things
I've used as excuses over theyears, you know, and you guys
know, and I said that he wasunrelatable, he couldn't
(26:21):
understand me.
And then I started thinkingabout these stories and I
started thinking about God'sfamily and how God does
understand me, because God's hada bunch of broken people that
he has called his family for avery long time and he has wanted
to rescue them, he has wantedto save them.
(26:43):
And you know, whenever I startthinking about that and I think
about how Jesus knew all thisstuff and how he went to the
cross, not only for my sins butfor their sins, and I think
about how can Jesus do such athing?
Right, and I think the Bibletells us how would a man, how
can a man die for someone who'sa bad guy, like you know, and I
(27:03):
always relate that to me but howcould Jesus do that for all
these people?
And I wonder if Jesus didn'tfeel the added pressure to do it
, kind of how you know, how Idon't know if you guys have ever
been in the muck, a little bitlike you just had to grab
yourself by the bootstraps andget something done.
Okay, I don't know if you guyshave ever.
(27:24):
I used to have this oldfarmhouse, that house at Bird,
and I would crawl underneaththere at night, I'm sorry, at
night, once a year, I don't know.
I would crawl underneath thereonce a year at you know, just to
check it out underneath thereAgain leaks under here and
anything.
It's old farmhouse, I'm tellingyou.
(27:45):
There were some times whenyou're just you're crawling
around underneath the floorright, and the floor is just
right there at your chin right.
There wasn't a whole lot ofhousing, housing specifications
that had to be met whenever myhouse was built a long time ago,
not a crawl space specification.
No, no, no, and the house wasbuilt on so many different times
and everything.
So I'd crawl underneath there,I'd look and, you know, if I saw
(28:07):
a pipe that was trickling orsomething like that, I'd do my
best to fix it to a guy whodidn't know anything.
Well, I was crawling back outof there one time and I had a
flashlight and I had it scootingunderneath there man scooting
underneath there and justgetting dirty, always just dirty
, dusty, all cobwebs all overthe place, and I shined my
flashlight around to try andfind my way out.
And I'll be, if a possum wasn'tstaring right at me.
(28:30):
A possum, you ever see apossum's face?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Yeah, they're not gonna hear.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Have you ever seen a possum face under a house while
you're on your belly?
Speaker 3 (28:41):
No, just looking at you.
Did you play dead?
It's not on me.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I didn't know I could stand up underneath that house
and run, but I did so.
I scooted out of that house wowfast.
I never know I could go thatfast under that house.
I used to always hate goingunderneath that house because
I'd have to take my time andcrawling underneath there and
not hit my head on things.
I was good.
Whoo, I was gone.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
And so I got out and I'm like, okay, it didn't chase
me, it didn't beat me out oranything.
I'm shining my flashlight, I'mtrying to find it.
I'm going around the bottom ofthe house just looking at all
different angles.
I'm like he didn't move, man,he's playing dead.
Right, he's playing dead.
So I didn't know what to do andI didn't wanna go back
underneath there, so I juststarted taking rocks and started
throwing them by them.
You know, wham, wham.
I'm trying to wake him up,trying to get him to move, and I
(29:27):
realized, huh, he is dead.
I got a dead possum under myhouse.
Yeah, yeah, exactly, this isn'tgoing to end well, is what I'm
thinking.
So I'm a country boy, right?
So I sleep on it, not thepossum.
Actually, I mean, I take anight to think about what am I
going to do While you're underthere at night?
Yeah, yeah, so I had to man upbecause I had to do something
(29:54):
about it, because I did not lookforward to the smell of a dead
possum, right?
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Right.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
So I did.
I crawled back underneath thehouse.
I got a shovel.
You know you don't want all thedetails.
I could just tell you if youever have to move an animal like
that, just don't look it in theeyes.
Oh, everything will be fine.
You'll end up being able totake care of business.
And that's what I did.
But I had to do it and I hadsomething inside of me.
I had to get mad enough to do itright.
(30:19):
I had to feel the urgency, Ihad to feel a strong desire to
do so, and I wonder if thatisn't the same thing as what
Jesus had to, what he kind ofhad to get all strung up inside
to be able to go to that cross.
I wonder if he didn't think ofhis family history and think
about all the sins that had gonethrough his family history, all
(30:39):
the sins that was going to gothrough his family history
because, as we know, we areadopted into his family, we are
accepted into him because ofwhat Jesus did on the cross for
us, how he lived his life, allthose things.
And I wonder if he just didn'thave to just man up and get up
on that cross.
I gotta do this, I have to dothis and, man, I started
(31:01):
appreciating those things a lotmore whenever I started thinking
about his family history andwho he died for, not only in the
present like me, you guys butalso the people that he died for
from his past, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah, and even like it's like the thing about like
the disciples itself, and Ihonestly hadn't thought of it
that way.
But the chosen, which I knowwe've talked about before, is a
show I feel like does a reallygood job of helping me relate to
the Bible and I know we'll getto it at some point.
But it kind of went over thebeautitudes and as he was kind
(31:39):
of reciting he being the actorto place Jesus, so he was
reciting the beautitudes, likeeach one it brought like a
memory of a disciple andsomething that the disciple went
through and that's kind of whathe was doing.
This for, you know, blessed arethis, blessed are that.
You know, blessed are those whomourn, for they would be
(32:01):
comforted.
And it would just bring back amemory for him of you know one
of the disciples and somethingthey had been through or gone
through.
And for me it just made me thinkabout you know him in that
moment, thinking all thosethings and kind of being
reminded of why you know he'sdoing this.
You know he's seen thestruggles and the hardships that
(32:21):
we put on ourselves and heknows that we couldn't do it on
our own and that's just kind ofa constant reminder of you know
why he came to this world andwhat he had to finish in order
to accomplish what he wanted toaccomplish.
You could think of that withany any tough you know goal it
could be, you know work, itcould be sports.
Just think of things thatyou've kind of pushed yourself
(32:44):
to a limit for knowing the in-goand why you were doing it.
And I feel like that was kindof the case for for Jesus,
obviously a much bigger scale ofan in-go, but just kind of
going through life and pushinghimself to that limit of knowing
what he had to accomplish andwhat the reward would be once he
(33:04):
was finished.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
So I referenced quite a few podcasts episodes ago,
something, and I said I wouldprobably say something later,
but I can relate to that becausemy dad and I are a father
daughter, okinawan Gojiru Blackbelts.
But, and it's very, our dojo isvery old, traditional, like
(33:31):
there's no smiling when you'reon the mat.
Your OB better not touch theground.
There's, you know, like wedon't practice coming close when
you're, when we're likefighting, because the thought is
is if you're going to get, ifyou know what it feels like to
get hit when you actually are ina fight, it's, it's not going
(33:53):
to surprise you, you're justgoing to react.
So you know, I had broken ribs,broken noses, all kinds of
stuff, just from class.
So when I first asked my dad ifI could start, you know,
starting karate, he was like no,because that's no place for
girls, basically was theresponse.
And after years of asking andasking and he finally took us
(34:16):
all down to the basement and putus through a workout you never
want to go through again.
And everybody else was likewhen he gave him the chance to
leave, they were out.
And I stood there and I sawthat like oh no, I'm not going
to be able to do that.
No Look.
And so he started teaching me.
Then he sent me to one of hisformer students in a town over,
(34:38):
and so it kind of progressedfrom there.
And in our style you can't makeblack belt until you're 18.
But I actually got permissionfrom my son's say, to make black
belt when I was 17.
But even when you're going outfor promotion it's not a given
Like if you're going to get sick, you better get sick in your
(34:59):
ghee, it better not ever touchthe mat, like it's very old,
traditional, closed classtypically.
And so when I was going out forblack belt, you had to go
through a program and, quitehonestly, when I went out for
brown belt, I barely made it.
So when I was on my black beltprogram my dad was like man, not
(35:23):
going to do that this time.
And so we were in Myrtle Beachand we were on vacation quote
unquote vacation for me.
I was still on the program, sohe put me through a workout that
was insane, and I still don'tknow that I love Myrtle Beach
all that much this day.
(35:43):
We've been and it's been OK.
It's better the second time,third time around.
But I really made black beltthat day, like he pushed me to
my limit and then a littlefurther, and my mom took me to
all of the classes and we wouldspend the night in the dojo
because we lived an hour and ahalf away and I was still in
high school and it was just, itwas a lot.
(36:06):
And it was a three month programof workouts every single day
for hours and tournaments andall of that, and even then there
was no guarantee that you'regoing to make it.
And so when promotion day came,it was kind of like I've,
instead of being the person thatwas lagging behind, I was
(36:27):
finally the person that, becauseof that workout that my dad had
put me through, I was finallythat person that was like
everybody else is like, oh gosh,what else do we have left to do
?
And I'm like, hold on, there'snot much else to do.
Like you're looking at thistotally the wrong way.
And it was a really beautifulmoment and super special because
(36:49):
you worked so hard and had toquote unquote strap up your
boots, Like you really had to gofor it and give it all you had.
And then some and I think thatrelates to kind of what Jesus
had to go through Like he had togo through his lashings
basically and do what he had todo for us, and so I guess in
(37:12):
some ways I can relate, butother ways I just can't, and I'm
so thankful for him.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Oh, definitely For sure, and I think about that
often.
Just what he did for us and allthose things, and it is a
strong story, a story ofstrength there, michelle, and
determination to be able to getall that done.
I didn't make it through anykind of karate.
I don't know.
There was karate was not for me.
My daughter tried karate, gotto the board part, broke the
boards, and I think that's asfar as we got.
(37:39):
So that's cool though that youdid that, and I'm glad you
remembered talking about thething you talked about with your
father that you would revisit.
So that's cool I know thosethings.
Move it out here.
Matthew, chapter one so that'sabout the genealogy.
So there's a lot of names inthere.
Don't be scared of the names Ifyou don't know what a name is.
Find out what the name is.
Find out the story from it,from in the Old Testament.
(38:00):
Get to know Jesus in his past alittle bit more and I think it
makes it more real.
I think it makes Jesus morereal.
But whenever you talk about hisbirth now, his birth gets crazy
too.
Right, Not just an ordinarybirth.
This was a little bit differentBecause if we go over to
Matthew, chapter one, it saysthe birth of Jesus Christ in
verse 18 was as follows when hismother Mary had been betrothed
(38:24):
to Joseph before they cametogether, she was found to be
with child by the Holy Spirit.
What?
Speaker 3 (38:34):
What Today's world with that, with that, check out.
There's zero chance, like likeMary would be on on Mori Povich
and try to figure out, you know,if Joseph is the father,
especially how it was.
There's like no way.
That's that's my thoughtprocess.
It's like Mary Joseph would beon Mori.
He keep pulling out the liedetector.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
He hears Joseph on cheaters.
Joseph on cheaters, it varies.
There I'm riding a donkey andand, and the guy pulls up there
and starts confronting Jesus,joseph.
So the whole genealogy was tolead us up to Joseph, his father
.
And so it starts talking aboutJoseph there and the family
history for him, and then itgets crazier.
(39:17):
His family history gets crazierbecause now Jesus has found to
be with Holy Spirit.
Let me say this we talked aboutthis a couple of different
times If you're going to make upa Bible, I don't think you make
this the birth story of the, ofthe person you know, of the, of
the, of the center person, ofthe hero of the story.
I don't think this is how youmake the story.
I mean, I don't know, I'm not agreat writer, I don't know if I
(39:41):
could write a story like this,but I just don't see this being
how you would do it.
You know you would have some.
I guess this wasn't a macularbirth, but not one quite like
this.
To me it just there'd be.
There'd be other things goingon.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Yeah, I mean it's, it's tough.
I mean, even like you talkabout the, the angel appearing
and again there's, there's a waythat babies are made that we
all know of and that's that'snot what took place here.
So just that in itself, like he, he risk kind of losing any
reader that's trying to uselogic and and trying to, you
(40:17):
know, kind of put in the thefactual that they know and see
that situation immediately.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Well, especially the picture of Jesus that I think
that I was portrayed as a kid.
Where where's that perfect guy,that guy that's better than
everybody else, kind of a thing.
This isn't this.
No, this isn't how his birthstory would go to me, you know.
So it's kind of cool to see it,because he, I think about it.
What did the neighborhood kidssay about Jesus's birth?
(40:45):
You know, did, how?
How did did that story evercome out?
What did his brothers andsisters think he did?
Did his cousins, you know, likeother cousins other than John
the Baptist?
Did his cousins talk about it?
Did they hear about Jesus'sbirth?
And did some people look atJoseph a little funny, you know,
they're really dude or Mary, alittle bit funny, you know, I
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don't know, I don't know how anyof that went, except for the
fact that there were so manyother circumstances around it
that were miraculous that theycouldn't deny it.
You know, like, like, it justcouldn't, you couldn't, you knew
it was a little sketchy.
But then, at the end ofeverything, you're like oh boy,
it all makes sense now, you know, at the resurrection, when he
(41:30):
was resurrected from the deadand, and he got Jesus's brother
James even becoming a believerafterwards and he wasn't.
It didn't seem like there werebelievers.
Many of his family werebelievers beforehand, but
becoming a believer afterwards,and to the death right, a martyr
.
And so you start thinking aboutthose things that it was like,
just it all made sense, justlike it did for the apostles
After the resurrection.
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It was kind of like a ahamoment, you know, just oh, I get
it now.
And I wonder if it wasn't thesame thing for his family too.
After, after it all gets saidand done, they start looking at
the birth story again andrevisiting maybe some of those
old stories that they heard thatjust didn't add up, just didn't
make sense, that they kind ofthought was a little sketchy,
and they go oh, I get it now, Iget it.
I understand why he had to beconceived by the Holy Spirit and
(42:13):
not by Joseph, because he was100% God and he was 100% man and
so it's just how it had to be.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but, like hindsight
is 2020, so I'm sure they sawthat afterwards.
But if we back up, when he waswith the the disciples and went
to his hometown, they were goingto throw him off a cliff
because they they didn't believethat he was who he says he was,
because they were just he'sjust the guy that they all grew
(42:44):
up with and knew right, like guyfrom the neighborhood, so like
that, almost be like what youpeer.
Going back to back home and belike, yeah, I'm the Messiah.
They'd be like shut up here.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
Yeah, and the crazy part is that.
So if some like he would thinkthat some miracles took place,
but it even talks about how,being back home, he couldn't do
much because of their non beliefand so he was even hampered,
you know, around them justbecause you know this is just
(43:17):
childhood Jesus, you're, you're,no one special, you're no
Messiah, and so, like, eventheir lack of faith and that, in
that aspect, like stopped himor prevented him from from doing
some of the miraculous thingsthat others got to witness
because of that doubt anddisbelief.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Yeah, the prophet wasn't welcoming his hometown, I
believe.
Quote unquote I think so.
So, joseph, her husband, beinga righteous man and not wanting
to disgrace her, desired to puther away in secret because she
was betrothed to him, whichmeant, you know, promise to him.
So, hey, she's going to marrythat guy and then she ends up
pregnant and he's like, I don'tknow, I believe it.
I guess he didn't believe herstory, which I can understand.
(43:56):
Why not?
You know, joseph, joseph, I'mpregnant.
How did that conversation go?
Speaker 3 (44:02):
Joseph man.
That's where Mori came in.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
But I mean is there what he's like?
He's like you're what?
And she, maybe she's showing alittle bit and he can't believe
it.
And then she tells him thestory.
I can only imagine.
Obviously he didn't necessarilybelieve it right off the start,
right?
Speaker 3 (44:22):
I mean just, he didn't believe you, I mean no no
, exactly, and I believe it tookhis own vision for him to even
come to to grips that this couldbe a possibility and a
realization.
So yeah, I mean he wasrighteous, but even with him
being righteous, it took his owndream and vision to kind of get
(44:43):
it together and make a decision, to kind of stay it out and be
there for both of them.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Verse 20 says.
But when he had considered this, behold, an angel of the Lord
appeared to him in a dreamsaying Joseph, son of David, do
not be afraid to take Mary asyour wife, for that which has
been conceived in her is of theHoly Spirit, and she will bear a
son, and she will bear a son,and you shall call his name
Jesus, for it is he who willsave the people from their sins.
And they use the genealogythere, didn't he?
(45:13):
Even the angel used it.
Joseph, son of David, you knowthat's what that genealogy was
for, and maybe it was to remindJoseph even that.
Hey man, don't forget David's inyour genealogy.
Don't forget that bloodlinesaren't always as pure as they
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appear, you know right, andthings don't go always as
planned, but God alwaysaccomplishes his will.
God's promise was going to bemade through David, the king,
and he had to make it throughthat relationship that David had
with Uriah.
But David and Uriah's firstchild didn't live.
(45:57):
It passed away, and so it wasSolomon, their second child,
that carried that promise, right?
And so, you know, the bloodlinejust followed through there.
And now here's a littlereminder, maybe, to Joseph that
his bloodline wasn't exactly aspure as he wanted it to be.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
That'd be so tough like just thinking about it,
like it's hard not to just sithere and just kind of imagine
Joseph and just that wholeordeal playing out.
So even what the angel likecoming I think it's 24 that kind
of basically calls out Joseph'sdecision, that basically he did
what the angel said.
(46:43):
Because even after that, likeyou'd still be like really, is
this really happening to meright now?
Is this real?
And so, again, to kind of takeit all in, take in, obviously,
the angel in your dream andtaking in Mary and the woman
that you believed her to be,it's a lot to kind of take in,
(47:08):
because I mean even into, liketoday's world.
You're thinking about trustissues.
What dreams you're thinkingabout?
You know, was I hallucinatingor was I mirage?
There's just so many differentquestions that come in.
So for him to kind of decipherall of that and still decide to
go through with it, I mean thatsays a lot.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
It does.
Speaker 2 (47:28):
I'm stuck right now, Wes, because I swear you just
said that Uriah was the woman.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Oh no, uriah was the husband.
I'm sorry I may have I was likewait a minute.
Speaker 2 (47:40):
I'm looking at Pierre like hold on, what did he just
say?
Speaker 1 (47:45):
And I couldn't deter you, but I just wanted to
clarify that oh no, no, hey, Iworked bread man hour, so I've
been up for a long, long time.
Ok, so I could have.
I could have said that I am nota perfect man, michelle, no
matter what you think of me.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
I think you're pretty perfect.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Now I got to say this too.
Well, let me read this part andthen I'll say it.
Now, all this took place, thatwhat was spoken of through the
Lord.
Through the Lord, the prophetmight be fulfilled, saying
behold, the virgin shall be withchild and shall bear his son
and shall call his name Emmanuel, which translated, god with us.
Ok.
So it was in Joseph Rosamerssleep, did this of the angel,
(48:21):
commanded him, took her as hiswife and kept her virgin until
she gave birth to a son andcalled his name Jesus.
Now, matthew quotes here from, Iwant to say, the book of Isaiah
, if I am not mistaken about hisname being Emmanuel, and
Matthew himself, the writer ofthis, was a tax collector right.
He was one of the guys thatJesus went around and saw and
(48:43):
picked and maybe handpicked aswell to be one of his apostles.
He was one of the guys thatwent around with him and, as
Matthew, the tax collector rightand not a guy with good
reputation.
So he was a guy, though, and heturned out to be very faithful
to Jesus, and Matthew wrote thisbook because he was a Jew, to a
bunch of Jews, so he wrote itfrom a Jewish perspective, so
(49:06):
he's always presenting Jesus asfulfilling scripture.
Fulfilling scripture.
Fulfilling scripture.
As you go through the book ofMatthew, it presents him as a
king as well, kind of throughoutthe entire thing, for that
David lineage that was needed,as the guy who was going to
fulfill all those Old Testamentprophecies.
So that's kind of the picturethat Matthew portrays.
(49:26):
And all of the apostles in theepistles write Jesus in a
specific way, towards a specificaudience, because that's where
their talents and background lie.
And I remember, guys, whenever Iwas a young man and I was doing
some sermons and I was at achurch and it was filled with a
whole bunch of smart people,smart, smart people and I can
(49:49):
remember talking like this,trying to sound very smart
myself.
That's what I did.
And there was a man who knew mefrom before.
I decided to turn into a smartfellow and he said I miss the
old West.
I didn't understand what hesaid until I started thinking
(50:10):
about it and I listened back toa sermon or a lesson that I
taught or something and I waslike miss the old West.
And so this is me, this is mybackground, this is my story and
, yeah, we got to changeprobably some of our habits,
some of the things we do inorder to be a good child of God.
(50:30):
Right, because I don't want tobe a disobedient child, but at
the same time, my background, myhistory, the things in my
lineage, all those things mademe into who I am and I shouldn't
shy away from those things.
This is my perspective.
I shouldn't shy away from thosethings.
I should share them openly andI should have a zeal for my past
because of what God has broughtme through to bring me into my
(50:53):
present.
And if I don't share thosethings, then it seems like all
that time that I spent as a kid,all that time I spent growing
up, it's kind of wasted and fornaught.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
You know Well.
In addition, I mean you're kindof in a place to relate to
folks similar to yourself thathave those similar backgrounds.
So if you're trying to besomething you're not, then
you're missing the opportunityto relate to a certain group,
(51:27):
just like Michelle.
So she relates to women reallywell because she's a woman,
she's gone through womanlythings that have taken place in
her life and so if you're doingthat and I'm not saying you're
not smart, but if you'repretending to be smart you're
kind of forcing what you're notand you're not being true to
(51:50):
yourself and you're missing agroup that you personally were
put into this world to relate to.
So you just kind of keep thatin mind as well.
Like even listeners, don't tryto be something you're not.
Try to be you.
You are knit together perfectly.
You know, in your mother's wombyou've gone through the things
(52:12):
you've gone through as anindividual to kind of prepare
you for some of the relatabilityand conversations that you're
caught to have.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Well, and I've kind of lived by the premise of if
you have to tell somebody you'resomething, you're probably not,
because if you are, it's goingto show for itself.
So if we pretend we tell peoplewe're Christians but we don't
live that way, then we have totell them that for them to
believe it right and maybe toget ourselves to believe it, but
(52:43):
if we really are, it's going toshow for itself.
And as far as you were sayingwith genetics, genetics are
powerful.
Like I can't even count howmany times I've said to Pierre
see where I get it, like, say,with my mom or dad, and be like,
yep, there it is, that's why Ido what I do.
So I think that just runs inall of us and those things are
(53:03):
powerful.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
They are, and I realized at some point that I
was falling into peer pressureof trying to be smart, right,
just like I had fallen into peerpressure to do all the things
that I did in my past, and so Iwas just following that trend.
I'm like whoa, whoa, whoa.
And so I started being myselfand I'm so glad I did.
And you're right, pierre, Irelate to those people a lot
(53:26):
better than I relate to thesmart people.
I'm not going to minister,listen, I ain't going to
minister to them, smart people.
That just ain't what I'm goingto do.
I ain't built for that now.
No, listen, hey, we appreciatey'all very much, matthew.
Chapter one is in the books,and so are we.
We are in the books of thatvoting thing.
Go over to the pinned tweetover on the Finding Faith Pod.
(53:47):
Is that right on Twitter?
Speaker 3 (53:48):
Yeah, at Finding Faith Pod, and I do have it
pinned in podcast.
People's Choice Awards.
I believe we'll find out ifwe're actually a finalist at the
end of this month when theactual voting for the award
begins.
Right now it's just nominations.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Should beat you up, man Should beat you up.
Yeah, I don't like to.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
Yeah, we appreciate again the nominations and just
the thought of us just being inin considerations.
Very, very grateful for that.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
Yes, it is.
You saw how he enunciated thatpart, right I?
Speaker 1 (54:21):
did.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Yes, I did.
Speaker 1 (54:24):
No, it is humbling.
And look, we're not after allthat stuff.
It's just not something we'redoing.
We're putting it out therebecause if you're a part of this
journey with us, I know youwould be proud for the podcast
to win something as well, or todo whatever.
And it's all about thelisteners, it's all about God,
it's all about those things.
It's not about anything else.
But we would say it's accordingto the algorithms, it's all
(54:45):
about that five star ratingaccording to.
But I think it's more importantthat if you enjoy this podcast
and you think somebody couldrelate to it, just send it to
them.
Just, you know, tell them, hey,listen to this podcast because
it might be able to help you out.
You'll understand that youdon't have to be an intelligent
person to be able to follow God.
Maybe that's what you'll sayafter listening to me, but this
(55:07):
isn't built around awards.
This isn't built aroundalgorithms.
This isn't built around allthose things.
This is built about threefriends trying to get together,
discuss topics that keep peopleup late at night and hopefully
come to a conclusion and be agood godly example to those
people that are listening to it,and that's all we're trying to
do.
Can I get an amen on that one.
Speaker 2 (55:27):
Amen Amen.
Reach for the West hey listen.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
We want to encourage everybody out there to pray for
one another.
Pray for us and we will prayfor you.
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