November 7, 2023 • 57 mins
Ever pondered the mysteries of the Bible and its interpretation? Well, buckle in as we take you on a captivating journey. Starting from the Garden of Eden, we travel through the genealogy of Adam and Eve, and venture into the story of Noah's Ark. We refreshingly challenge how our understanding of these biblical narratives can shift with time, life experiences, and growing wisdom.
Deepen your faith and understanding as we move into Genesis 6. We grapple with the intriguing story of the sons of God and the daughters of men, its implications on the genealogy of Adam and Eve, and the concept of believers and non-believers. The discussion takes an interesting turn as we consider the possibility of Nephilim being related to Goliath.
Finally, we navigate the compelling biblical symbolism of Noah's Ark and the act of baptism as a public proclamation of faith. Picture yourself standing beside Noah as he constructs his ark, crafting a vessel vast enough to accommodate an array of animal inhabitants. Journey with us through these ancient narratives and discover how they can be a source of inspiration in today's world. We wrap up reminding our listeners that their reviews and prayers for the podcast are deeply appreciated. Join us, and let's uncover the mysteries of faith and biblical perspectives together.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
It's time to wake up and pray up here on the Finding
Faith and Losing Sleep podcast.
Hey, thank you so much fortaking a moment out of your day
or your night whenever you'relistening to the podcast, for
just taking your day to sharewith us.
We are three regular peopletrying to journey our way
through life, and we do it alittle bit by using the Bible
some wisdom that we've retrievedfrom God over the years, and
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that's just how we do it.
We're not scholars, we're notanything that are magnificent
people going through all kindsof schooling and everything to
learn all kinds of bookknowledge.
We're not.
It is me, wes easily.
It is Pierre Wilson and hiswife, michelle Wilson.
Hello, pierre and Michelle, hi.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Wes Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Did I describe us well enough?
I mean, I think I'm dumber thanwhat I even said.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
You're smartening yourself.
Credit for me.
You're right.
I think theologians I believeis the term and we're just
living life ourselves and we'rediving into our faith and
there's some things that wequestion and some things that
keep us awake.
We decided to throw a podcasttogether and just talk through
it, because we think these areconversations and others.
(01:15):
You know I'm wanting to have itand it seems like listeners are
enjoying it.
So well, we continue to diveinto it.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I think when you say theologians, it's supposed to be
theologians.
You know, like you've got tosound smart and you've got to
throw your tongue together likethis.
You know, I think that's justhow it has to be, and I was, and
every person has ever studiedtheologians.
That's OK.
They've tuned us out a longtime ago, pierre.
Those people have tuned us out.
I wanted to say that early onin this podcast.
(01:45):
Well, first I wanted to thankeverybody for listening.
You know that's alwaysimportant to do, because people
do take moments out of their dayto be able to download and then
be able to listen, and we dojust appreciate the opportunity
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It does help with algorithm, ithelps get the show out there.
That's not for our own benefit,it is for the show's benefit
and hopefully people can seethat we can work our way through
life with some godly wisdom,through a biblical perspective
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on all the different things thatare going on in the world today
.
Because, guys, it's gettingcrazy out there.
It's been crazy out there, butI think it's about to get even
crazier.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Probably, probably, and it's it's unique.
I mean it's unique times and Ithink you know every day is
unique.
You know every, every new dayis just that.
It's a new day for all involved.
Bless to make it each day.
But as we get ready to dive in,I think some of the things that
you know maybe we're beingspoken to, you know back with
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Genesis six that we're going todive into, or some things that
we also see now, and so it'sgood to try to tie it together.
Different times, you knowdifferent lifestyles, but you
know still some similaritiesthat we can discuss.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Michelle, I have.
I've been studying the Bibleand in church for a long time
now and I'm a good parent,michelle, I can say all the
things that need to be said.
Does that make sense?
Sure does.
But whenever I open up theBible and I start reading it
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from, I try to, I try to takeoff my parrot lenses or my
parrot, my parrot eyeglasses, ifthat, if that makes any sense.
I try to take those off andjust look at it again like for
the very first time.
Because when I started readingthe Bible 30 something years ago
, I really wasn't smart backthen.
I mean, I just I never readbooks, I never did anything, I
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never had any critical thinking,I never had any deep thinking
skills or anything.
And I think, over the years,because now in my fifties I
think, I've developed some ofthose things a little bit more
and I've been able to take my,my barstool education that I had
before I became a Christianinto my now Christian life where
I've been learning a lot morethings.
And so I try to put on I don'tknow both both shoes, I guess
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and to be able to walk throughthe Bible that way.
I don't know if I describedthat right, michelle, but it's
just this.
This chapter is one of thosechapters where I can say all the
right things, but at the sametime, if I look at it with both
shoes on, I can.
I can man.
The path that I can go down isjust crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Well, I think what you're saying in a nutshell is
you read it differently based onthe experiences that you've had
and the wisdom that you'veyou've found throughout the
years.
Because I think it's just likeany movie or any book that you
know, we read or we watch,depending on your perspective at
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the time you're.
It's going to depend on whatyou take out of it and you might
miss something like you mightsee the same movie 10 times and
then, all of a sudden, that 10thtime, you're like huh, I don't
remember seeing that in therebefore and I think it's.
It's all because of the theexperiences that we have and how
we're feeling at the time thatwe watch it, what we take from
it and honestly, I think that'swhy some people find comfort in
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watching the same movie over andover again is that it's
predictable.
Like Pierre gets on me because Ilike Hallmark movies, right
Like.
He's like it's ridiculous,they're so bad, they're so yeah,
he thinks they're terrible.
He's like oh, you're going togo to your terrible movie
watching again.
But here's the thing I think Ienjoy it because it is
predictable.
Like, even though it's, I knowwhat the outcome is going to be.
(05:46):
I can just sit and relax andlive in that and and find my
happy place of, like you know,just being joyful.
And so I think, west, when youread the Bible, depending on
where you are in in your lifeand what is going on, is going
to depend what you get out of itand how it speaks to you, and I
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think that's really powerful,and I think it's good when we
have experiences and honestly,like Pierre, like you guys both
said, that's why we do thispodcast, because we all get
something different at differenttimes in our lives, and it's so
important to always be groundedin the Bible and to come back
to say, okay, this is how I'mfeeling about this, what does
this say to me now?
So I mean, I don't know ifthat's what you were asking me
(06:31):
about, but that's, that's how Itook it.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Oh no, I'm glad you took it some way, because I'm
never, never, quite sure whatI'm going to say whenever I do
open up my mouth.
Pierre, I am nervous about thisepisode because I have learned
a lot of weird things and manbrother, I know you're weird too
Sometimes, you, you know you've, you've not been shy about
opening up the old weird doorand and walking through there
and giving out some scenarios ofpossibilities.
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And I feel obligated.
I don't know if it's morallyobligated, I I don't know if I'm
.
I'm feeling this way because Ido want to do the Bible do
justice.
God has granted me so muchmercy, so much grace throughout
my life and I do give him allkinds of credit for everything
that I've ever been able toaccomplish in my life and that's
just still being alive to thisday.
(07:15):
And I want to be able to doGenesis, chapter six, justice
because I believe I owe it tohim and I owe it to the
listeners, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, and I I mean that's every episode.
So one of the main reasons thatthat we dove into this is we
were hoping to at least hit youknow, someone, one person that
we could have an impact on.
And you know, as we continue tohave more episodes and as we
continue to grow in our faith,like I know, one of the topics
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that we have at church right nowis kind of what's the impact
that you're leaving behind.
You know, if there's, ifthere's one thing that's
definite, it's you know we're,we're going to all pass away
someday and you know what's thatimpact that we're leaving
behind.
And to me personally, one ofthose impacts is this podcast,
like, even when we're gone, likethe pain on, you know if it's
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me just passing away or if Jesuscomes back whenever.
First, this podcast could lastand it could impact, you know,
my daughter.
It could impact.
If she has kids, they mightlisten to it.
It could impact strangers.
You know this, this, thismessage.
It could impact and to methat's the impact of the podcast
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and we're all talking about it.
There's songs.
You know from years and yearsago that still have impacts.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
What's the difference , you know, with this podcast,
kind of doing the same thing.
So absolutely I want to be ableto have real conversation and
talk through it, because you,I'm not ever gonna do it.
Johnson Tiddles, JohnsonTiddles, Johnson Tiddles that's
past podcast episodes which areall able to be listened to on
whatever listening platform youlike to listen to the show on.
You can download all those andfind out all the Johnson Tiddles
(08:58):
.
We should have named that oneJohnson Tiddles, my friend.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Johnson Tiddles with Quest Easily.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Excuse me, let's jump into Genesis, chapter six.
And that's all a precursor tothis, because Genesis six is fun
.
And it's it's fun.
I love studying this chapterwith people who are a little bit
hesitant about studying theBible or about Christianity.
I say, well, what about Genesissix?
And they'll be like what wait,wait, wait me, what's in Genesis
six?
(09:25):
And I start reading Genesis sixand their eyes just get big and
they're like that's in theBible.
That's weird, what does thatmean?
And so you can just kind of getthat a jumping point.
But it's an intriguing chapterthat some people don't even
realize is in there, and and andyou got to really look into it.
So I'm going to start there.
Okay, I'm just going to go.
I'm just going to start withGenesis six.
When men began to multiply onthe face of the land, all right,
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and we got a little bit ofcontext.
I guess we got to go contexthere.
This is this is right after theGarden of Eden.
This is right after Cain andAbel.
This is right after the.
You know they.
They get the genealogy of Adamand Eve and Cain and Abel.
This is right after all thatstuff.
So this is like part two.
This is almost like chapter two.
I know it's chapter six in theBible, but it seems like it's.
(10:08):
If you're, if you're doing aplay, this is like act two,
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
This is like the time where earth no longer that
perfect paradise that Godintended it to be.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yeah, it came about when men began to multiply on
the face of the land anddaughters were born to them,
that the sons of God saw thatthe daughters of men were
beautiful and they took wivesfor themselves, whomever they
chose.
Then the Lord said my spiritshall not strive with man
forever, because he also isflesh.
Nevertheless, his day shall be120 years.
(10:41):
Let's stop right there.
Can we stop right there?
I don't know what to start with.
I want to stop.
I guess just verse two.
The sons of God saw that thedaughters of men were beautiful.
Who are the sons of God?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
That's the first thing they're saying so my
thought process are are Seth andhis kids and always I think
that way.
So we just came from, as youmentioned, king and Abel and
kind of what took place there,and then when it goes into the
genealogy a bit, it talks aboutSeth kind of being that line,
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that line to God and ultimatelyJesus.
So I go to them being likeSeth's sons and I go to the
daughters being maybe likethrough the cane lineage.
Personally is how I take it.
I think you could also read itlike are these like angels that
come and make you know withhumans?
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I can understand where thatcould come into play too, but my
initial thought is that it'skind of separating pretty much
believers versus nonbelievers.
So the sons of God are likeyour believers in him that were
men and they went on to matewith non believing women is my
interpretation of it.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Well, and my descriptor in the bottom of,
like my Bible says, some peoplehave thought that the sons of
God were fallen angels, but thisis unlikely because angels do
not marry or reproduce.
Some interpreters believe thisphrase refers to the, to the
descendants of Seth whointermarried with Cain's evil
descendants.
This would have weakened thegood influence of the faithful
and increased moral depravity inthe world, resulting in an
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explosion of evil.
So you kind of touched on bothof those.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
The Bible seems complicated, doesn't it?
Mm-hmm?
It's a big book.
It's got a lot of names thatwe're unfamiliar with from a
long time ago that you know, andwhen you can't shake somebody's
hand or you know, the Bibleisn't really descriptive about
the main characters.
It doesn't really tell you whatJesus looks like.
You know, we rely on historicalevidence for that but it just
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doesn't describe these people sothey don't become really
personable with us from avisualization standpoint.
Mm-hmm.
But really, the Bible, I thinkit's easier if we just try to
keep things simple.
Okay, if we just kiss it, if wejust try to keep it simple,
okay, mm-hmm.
And so when you say that youthought it was the sons of God
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and I didn't want to put my twocents in until after I heard
what you guys kind of thoughtI've always thought that.
I've always thought it was justthe sons of God.
It was who God's children weresupposed to be.
It was his children and theyvaried off.
They saw women in foreign landsand look, when people look
different, we're kind of like,oh, that's kind of intriguing,
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isn't it, you know?
And maybe they just lookdifferent than there are people
that were around them andthey're like, hey, she's got
kind of dark skin.
You know that tan.
Look at that tan on that one.
So maybe that's what the sons ofGod were thinking and they
intermarried with them.
And then, all of a sudden, nowyou're deluding God's lineage,
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you are deluding what he'staught the people and what has
been passed around throughgenerations, because maybe they
worshiped other gods, right, andwe go back to what the Ten
Commandments is, which hasn'tbeen written yet, by the way.
But it doesn't mean that theTen Commandments weren't in
effect and weren't verbalizedrules throughout the time period
.
It wasn't.
So it doesn't mean those things, but it just kind of dilutes
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all that stuff, I believe.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Well, I'm not even sure it's even just different
skin color and things on thoselines.
I think it could be as simpleas, again, believers versus
nonbelievers.
So just take like a pastor,that's a righteous man that
maybe has a downfall.
So I think we watched aHillsong, the big Hillsong
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church, so there was a prettypopular younger pastor that was
doing really good thingsthroughout Hillsong's growth,
really mostly throughout theUnited States.
They were big over, I believe,in Australia and they started to
have a really big boom in theUS and they had a really young
pastor that was pretty hip andall about it and married and I
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just think about someone likethat that maybe is considered a
son of God as a righteous personthat becomes attracted to
someone that clearly isunrighteous, be it a prostitute,
a hooker, whatever you wannasay.
It's one of those on the darkside and I think, like growing
up we kind of all have thosetype of situations.
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I know a lot of the girls likebad boys when I was growing up
they wanted the motorcycle andthe tattoos and those that are
probably making bad decisions,not saying that all motorcycle
and tattoos did that, but andeven with the men, like men kind
of wanted that party girl orthe loud one, the popular one.
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That was kind of wild and crazy.
That could be the same thingback here, where you can have
some really righteous men thatcame and found themselves
attracted to unrighteous womenand then that wickedness kind of
started to spread because ittook away the righteousness that
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was left in the world andstarted to corrupt them, and I
think that's kind of what playsinto this whole wickedness in
the world.
Portion of Genesis 6.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
And instead of hookers or prostuits, can we
just refer to them as women atthe night?
Pierre, come on.
This is a family show.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I've never heard women at the night.
I've never heard women at thenight.
I'm just keeping it.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
All right, yeah, I do too.
I mean, I wanna keep it simple.
So that's the direction I'mgonna go and we'll get.
I'm gonna get weird here in aminute.
All right, let's just get weirdhere in a minute.
I'm gonna get weird here in aminute, but and I know what you
said about the fallen angels andyou know angels this may
possibly I'm gonna, I'll swimaround to that here in a minute,
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okay, okay.
Verse three can we move on?
Good, verse three.
Then the Lord said my spiritshall not strive with man
forever, because he also isflesh.
I gotta go there.
He is also flesh.
I mean, also is like aninclusive word, isn't it?
(17:16):
Am I saying that right?
I mean, you guys are theEnglish scholars here, I'm not.
Far from it, far from it so youknow, I mean if I, if I you know
also is also.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Well, mine, mine says .
Then the Lord said my spiritwill not put up with humans for
such a long time, for they areonly mortal flesh.
In the future, their normallifespan will be no more than
120 years.
So mine it doesn't say also,Okay, About yours, pierre.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
You're good.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Mine is similar to Michelle's.
It's just, you know, notcontend with humans forever, for
they are mortal.
So I mean they also would kindof add in a little bit more
context.
Sure will, which, again, Ithink you know, we missed the
context of the Bible because weweren't there, we weren't living
back then.
We don't know the context ofwhich this was written, but that
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that one word would change somuch, yes, it would.
What you think about it there?
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I do have a little footnote here that does say that
you know that is going astray.
He is flesh.
So I'm going to go with thefootnotes on this one.
Yeah, I'm going with thefootnotes on this one.
He is flesh and that God is not.
Verse four the Nephilim that'show you say it.
I believe the Nephilim were onthe earth in those days and also
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afterward, when the sons of Godcame into the daughters of men
and they were born children tothem.
Those were the mighty men whowere of old, men, of renown.
And the Lord saw the wickednessof man was great on the earth
and that every intent of histhoughts, of his heart, was only
evil continually.
And the Lord was sorry that hehad made man on the earth and he
was grieved in his heart.
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I feel sorry for God.
Yeah, I mean I really do.
Have you felt that way beforeabout something?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't say it about my kid.
She's a good kid, so it hasn'tbeen a case.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
I didn't mean it like that.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I mean, that's totally what it is.
We're his creation.
So I'm sure that there's beenparents that have felt that way,
where they've had a child thathas just gone so far astray that
they regret having kids, and Ithink that's kind of what this
situation is.
The tough part is you have tobelieve that God knew this was
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going to happen back in Genesis1.
Yeah, here we are in 6.
And he's still like,heartbroken that it couldn't
have been different, it couldn'thave changed.
Think of folks again withparents of, let's say, a mass
murderer or something like that.
There's got to be hurt andregret, even though you're their
parent.
You're going to have heartache.
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You're going to wonder ifthere's something you could have
done differently, something youcould have done better.
You have to think that maybethe God of the world thought the
same.
We're made in his image, so whywouldn't he have similar type
of hurts and regrets?
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, and I just read that and I do.
I get sad because my child hassinned.
I've sinned before and I'm suremy wife has had many regrets
similar to God about me wheneverI've made a mistake or two in
the past.
And so that's one of thosethings where God becomes a
little bit more real to me,because I can understand those
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emotions, because I've seen mychild fail before something,
whenever she's they've tried todo the right things but they
fail at doing the right thingsand I'll say I regret making
them, but at the same timeyou're kind of like oh, I
thought I did better than that.
This is all me, more than it'son them, but I failed them
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somehow some ways.
What is what?
I kind of one of the emotionsthat go through my head.
I also think they should knowbetter than that.
I've taught them better thanthat.
But then I go maybe I haven'ttaught them better than that.
A lot of emotions go throughhere.
So I'm glad God can become morepersonable because of this
little incident right here thatoccurred in history.
By the way, the title of thischapter in my Bible says the
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corruption of mankind.
That's such a bold statement.
The corruption of mankind, wow.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Wickedness in the world, so it's just a little
deeper.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Well, yeah, in both of yours.
Mine just says the flood OK.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Nephilim.
This is where we get into thefallen angels thing, in my
opinion.
Possibly have you guys everheard of the book of Enoch
before?
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, the book of Enoch not canonized not in our
Bibles anyway, it's not in therebut it's a book that's out
there and it explains a littlebit more about what Nephilim is
or it goes in detail about it.
I'm not saying that it'saccurate, I don't know.
It's something you got to doyourself.
I can tell you why it's notcanonized.
I can tell you why these booksare canonized.
It happened a long time ago, soyou got to use that
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decision-making process of yourown to be able to get through
that and figure out whether ornot the watchers that the book
of Enoch talks about are real.
And if they are, maybe this iswhere you got the Zeus right.
You got Zeus.
The Zeus I don't think it's theZeus you got the sun gods.
You got different kinds of godslike that throughout history
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that different civilizationsended up worshiping.
And that's where some peoplepoint back to this part of the
Bible and say that's who theNephilim were, that's who the
great men of old were.
So that's what they kind ofpoint at or what they say.
But where is it Right there?
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Oh, those were the mighty menof old, men of renown, and
that's what it's talking aboutZeus and Mercury and all the
different people that we see asGreek gods?
I guess it is, and they pointto this as possibly being that
possibility of when they wereintroduced.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Boy.
I even tied into, maybe theGoliath history themselves,
because they're talked about attimes of being giants and bigger
and strong, and so, again, youthink of them being the heroes,
if there's a whole body ofNephilim like that, then why
wouldn't they themselves kind ofhave their own lineage that
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they kind of passed down along?
So that was my thought justinto what Nephilim were, that
perhaps Goliath was kind of anancestor of this type of being.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Well, mine actually calls them giant Nephalites and
says they were probably nine or10 feet tall and most likely the
ancestors to Goliath.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
So and something else that's weird whenever you look
at ancient civilizations likethe pyramids.
How did the pyramids get there?
Who built those?
And, by the way, the pyramidsnot only are they huge
structures with very big blocks,but the blocks aren't all the
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same size.
The way they're constructed,they are so pinpoint and
accuracy.
It would take a very smartperson to do that, not a dumb
old civilization just puttingrocks on top of each other.
It would know that's not how itwent.
It couldn't be, because notonly did they have it in that
one area, like a great pyramid,which was at one point the
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largest structure on the entireplanet I believe the tallest one
but there were pyramids allover the world that were built.
How does that happen With thesame kind of precision that a
great pyramid was?
Or even all the pyramids inEgypt?
How did they get made?
And who lifts them and whomoves them?
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And there's so many questionslike that that I don't know that
we'll ever have the answers to.
But we can point at maybe achapter like this and say, OK,
there could have been nine or10-foot dudes walking around
constructing things.
And then you look at castles,or you look at different
buildings that had huge doorwaysand had huge doors that opened
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up sky high.
Why would they build them sohigh, other than people had to
walk through?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
them Both walking through them, and just the
request of those that want it.
So think of, just today, allthe big houses.
I know they're not made likethey were back then, but all
these things are man-made.
So think of what the wealthyhave built from a mansion
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standpoint, a house standpoint,and what's to stop that from
happening back then.
Or you have someone of power,of authority just wanting
something gigantic that lastsforever, and obviously, in
making something gigantic,you're going to want to have
those that potentially arebuilding it for you to be able
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to get in and out as well.
So that's a good point.
But I think that's kind ofwhere it comes from, or could
have come from at least, withsome of the wealthy, those of
power, requesting thesestructures to be built in order
for them to kind of flexthemselves on who they are and
what their power is.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Not only could these people have been physically big
specimens but you know, that'sjust a hypothetical speaking
maybe fallen angels, watchers,whatever you want to call them
but also mentally.
Maybe they were superior thanwe can imagine as well.
It's hard to imagine somebodywalking around and that's 8, 9,
10 foot tall, as big as Goliath.
(26:57):
It's hard to imagine that kindof stuff and it's fun whenever
you're talking about it in akid's story, but then you
actually visualize it and you'relike that would be really scary
.
Maybe they were really smarttoo and they knew how to have
the cutting tools to be able tomake those kind of structures
along the way to move those kindof things.
Maybe they had some kind ofknowledge that got lost over a
(27:18):
period of time.
I don't know.
But you know what.
I know, michelle, what you haveto sit there and not say that
there is some credibility tothose thoughts, or at least to
be able to say I don't know theanswers to those questions, but
they're pretty good questions.
To say no, that can never happenTo me.
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That shuts off the possibilityof any of that happening, but
also shuts off people fromlistening to you about the rest
of the Bible, because this is aweird part of the Bible.
But the Bible we've found outto be pretty weird all the way
through it.
So even the story of Jesuscoming to the earth and dying
for our sins, that's a weirdstory as well.
(27:59):
So if we can't listen to whatother people maybe think and we
just close it off because we'reChristians and it just sounds
weird, well the whole Biblesounds weird to them.
So why would they even listento any of it?
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Right, it's true, I mean it does.
I think that's why we talkabout this is because as humans,
sometimes it's just reallytough for us to wrap our brains
around some of the things, a lotof the things in the Bible,
because number one it's not, Imean, it is happening now, but
what we're reading happened solong ago that a lot of these
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things are so hard for us tojust comprehend.
So I think that's again that'swhy this is important.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I agree and remember who wrote Genesis, moses right,
and why did he write it?
Because the children of Israel,while they were wandering
through the wilderness or underhis control or under his
leadership, they were askingquestions and they were like
where do we come from, moses?
Could you tell us?
How did those buildings getthere?
And so maybe this was part ofthat explanation.
(29:06):
I don't know.
I don't know, and that's why Isaid that stuff at the beginning
of everything, because I dolike to keep an open mind.
I do like to hear a lot ofdifferent stuff Doesn't mean I
agree with it all and doesn'tmean I'll ever come to a
conclusion about it all, becauseI don't want to pretend that
I'm a know it all, because Idon't know it all and I've
learned so much from not knowingit all that I want to continue
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to not know it all.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, it makes sense.
But I mean and also think aboutenlightening this once you do
know it though I'm not gonnaknow it all but think of
situations that, even liketoday's society, that we say,
okay, that's impossible, there'sno way that took place.
And then we get the facts or weget the images or the videos
and you're like, oh, that reallywas a thing, and maybe it would
(29:54):
have been exaggerated orsomething along those lines
along the way, or maybe it'seven bigger than you thought it
would.
But there's still a situationnow where you can read something
or see something.
You know it's not the sameuntil you've actually witnessed
it.
Then you're like, oh, okay,maybe I was wrong, maybe there's
something to this.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Oh, you're right, I'm sorry.
Neighborhood kids are walkingin my door right now.
That's the kind of house I have.
I have a neighbor.
I have a house whereneighborhood kids come in just
to see what I'm talking about.
I guess I'm gonna stand up onmy desk and I'm gonna pretend
I'm a Nephilim and just scarethe boot.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Oh, Well, we're not far past Halloween, so that's
true.
The.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Lord said I always stop like.
This next verse is like.
I know you mentioned your graceand mercy.
I think we've always talkedabout our grace and mercy.
I feel like the next verse iskind of where that comes into
play here all the way back inGenesis 6.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
The Lord said I will plot out man, whom I have
created, from the face of theland, from a man to animals, to
creeping things into birds ofthe sky.
For I am sorry that I have madethem, but Noah found favor in
the eyes of the Lord.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Right there.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
That's your salvation verse.
So he's telling he's gettingready to, he's basically gonna
wipe the earth clean.
He's gonna start from scratchpotentially.
But.
But Noah found favor in theeyes of the Lord and there's
that grace and mercy moment fromGod right there.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Well, yeah, I think this tells us like God was sorry
that people chose sin and deathover a relationship with him,
and even though Noah wasn'tperfect and neither are we like
he found favor with Noah, so Ithink that should be encouraging
to all of us.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, no, no, for real it should be, and I think I
plugged this once or twice theGenesis Museum or the Creation
Museum, creation Museum, theyhave it set up to where you can.
You walk in and you kind of goback to prehistoric days and you
just keep following this pathright through biblical timeline
I guess it is and you just keepwalking through this.
(32:14):
I don't wanna call it a maze,but it's just how the museum
kind of pushes you and you getover to the Noah Park.
So cool.
It's kind of cool.
It's kind of weird because ithas those 3D animatric guys like
you would see at Showbiz Pizzaor something.
I don't see the scheme, but Imean it's high quality.
Don't get me wrong, I didn't.
I did not expect this place tobe as high quality.
(32:36):
I thought it was gonna be atsome dude's barn, okay, and it
was just gonna be all made of.
But this was high quality stuffand they had people working on
this, what looks like a boat oran ark.
You know, we know it's an ark,but they had people working on
it, but it was all thoseanimatronic things.
I don't even know if I'm sayingthe right word there.
And then you had this guylooking at these plans and
somebody else standing next tohim.
(32:57):
And the guy working on theplans you figure out is Noah,
because he kind of turns to theguy.
He says, man, it's reallycoming along well, noah's gonna
have a Southern accent, becauseI live in the South.
He says, man, it's reallycoming along well.
Yes, no, it is.
We got the wood coming in forall this.
Well, that's great.
Have you thought about turningback to the Lord and Noah starts
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giving up the gospel like that,right there?
And it's cool to see that.
I never visualized it.
Ken Ham and all those peopledid a great job of putting those
things together and it always.
This chapter always reminds meof that now, because it's so
strong.
It's so strong whenever I sawit, not as strong as when
Methuselah was standing there ina corner or I'm sorry, he was
sitting there Indian style inthe corner and he kind of sneaks
(33:44):
up on it.
It doesn't really sneak up onyou, but he's sitting in the
corner.
You don't even know he's thereuntil you walk by him and he
goes.
I'm Methuselah, I'm the oldestperson in the Bible and honestly
, it creeped me out.
It creeped me out.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
It sounds like.
Is that the one with Kentucky,Cincinnati?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Great vacation spot.
So many things to do there inthat area, and that is one of
the things that you could do.
It's well worth it.
Don't even think twice aboutspending that money, however
much it is, I can't evenremember how much it was.
Don't think twice about it.
It was so worth it.
Good to know.
Yeah, by the way, the podcastis not sponsored by anybody.
(34:21):
No, I'm not selling.
I do too.
I like that part and I like thatGod wants us to succeed.
You know, noah found favor inGod's sight, and we do too.
Men find favor in God's sight,and that's why he made us a way
to be able to reconcile to him,because he does want to be with
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us.
He wants us to be in hispresence, he wants us to be in
fellowship with him.
He wants to be in arelationship with him, and I
think that that's what theentire Bible is written for is
so that we can find a way to God, and it shows how God always
finds his way to us.
God doesn't move God.
He will find us and he willreconcile.
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It gives us an opportunity toreconcile ourselves to him, and
that's the beautiful thing aboutit.
He does that for all mankindand he could have said you know,
just forget it.
But Noah was obviously anupright and honest man.
Thank you so much, noah.
Thank you for being that guy.
I appreciate it and I thank allthe men or women out there who
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are still the Noah's of thisgeneration who are giving people
an opportunity to be reconciledto God through what those
people show him.
There's a lot of Noah's in thisworld.
We need more Noah's in thisworld because the world is
sinking all around us.
The world is full of sin allaround us and we can see from
Noah that you can not be a partof that and you can lift
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yourself above all that andstand out in the crowd, and God
sees that.
Don't for a moment think Goddoesn't see those little bits of
honesty, that you have thelittle helping out of the old
lady somewhere, the being kindto your neighbor.
Don't think God doesn't seethat.
God sees that and he wants thatand it's so inspirational to so
many people.
If it wasn't for Noah, thestory wouldn't end as well as it
(36:12):
does, guys.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
It's true, and you see it throughout the Bible.
I call it Texas, one righteousperson to kind of change the
course of history.
You can say it with Abraham toan extent, and we say it with
Noah, I believe, even when yougo into the very sinful place,
(36:38):
sodom and Gomorrah.
Yeah, even with their asking God.
If there's one righteous, wouldyou save it?
Yes, if there's two, would yousave it?
Yes, as long as there's onerighteous person available in
God's eyes, like he's going toshow grace and he's going to
show mercy to more than justthem at times.
But there are also times wherehe just saves that righteous
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person, be it through a boat, beit through them removing
themselves or getting them awayfrom the city that they're in.
But that should be encouragingto all to continue to stay the
course, to continue to fight forbeing righteous, because you
could be the one in yourgeneration, in your time.
(37:26):
The impacts the lives of othersdown the road.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I think that's the moral of the story right, Strive
to be righteous.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
These are the records of the generation of Noah.
Noah was a righteous man,blameless in his time.
Noah walked with God.
Oh boy, that'd be good on yourtombstone, wouldn't it?
Noah became the father of threesons Shem, ham and Japheth.
You know what I thought of onetime whenever I was reading
through the Bible.
I decided I'm not skipping overthe genealogies, I'm reading
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the genealogies.
And so I read the genealogiesright, and it was always this
person, begat that person.
This person begat that person.
They lived 190 million yearsand begat that person.
It was weird that it came inverse 10, that it puts all three
sons all in the same verse.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
And.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I was like huh, are they triplets?
Just one thing, just one thing.
Just one thing, Just money, youever know?
Just something to pay attentionto as the story unfolds Now.
The earth was corrupt in thesight of God, and the earth was
filled with violence.
And God looked on the earth andbehold, it was corrupt, for all
flesh had corrupted their wayupon the earth.
And God said to Noah this iskind of neat, god talking to
(38:37):
Noah.
I know I hear the voicessometimes and I'm not gonna say
it's God, but you just have thatintuition or whatever.
I think this is different.
I don't think this is likesomething telling me I should go
here or I should go there orsomething, or just the little
intuition, the still small voiceinside of you, or whatever.
I think this is different.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
I think so too, and I think at times, like it's kind
of hard for us to imagineactually hearing like the voice
of God, and I started thinkingabout, like all the distractions
that we have in today's timeversus back then, whether it be
technology, even books, readingmaterials, just all the things
(39:18):
that kind of take your attentionaway from just being in quiet
being, still being in peace,that maybe they had more of back
in the day.
They didn't have TVs, theydidn't have cell phones,
computers, cars to get themquickly from place to place.
They were probably just out innature.
(39:39):
Something didn't even have big,not like houses, there were
tents and, you know, huts andthings along those lines that
took place.
So think about just you beingin silence, one with nature,
like how more likely you wouldbe to hear something if you
weren't distracted by thingssurrounding you.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Well and I think we've talked about that in
previous episodes right Like,distraction is the work of the
devil.
Like so, I think if we're notdistracted and the devil isn't
at work like that, you would bemore apt to hear God's voice.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
No, I agree it would be, and maybe in today's society
that we can't hear God's voice.
Maybe he doesn't want to berecorded because you know people
would be recording it if theycould somehow Could you say that
a little louder?
God right here, yeah, it wasdifferent, definitely back then.
The end of the flesh has comebefore me, for the earth is
(40:39):
filled with violence.
What, pierre?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
So I probably freak out like oh yeah, I know, if
you're shooting cases, it's likePierre.
I'm like, ah, probably wouldn'tbe his name, so Sorry, no.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
No, then it'd be Pierre.
Why did you just wet yourself?
That's what's the yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
I think you know why.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
The end of all flesh has come before me, for the
earth is filled with violencebecause of them.
And behold, I am about todestroy them with the earth.
Make for yourself an ark ofgopher wood.
You shall make the ark withrooms.
You shall cover it inside andout with pitch, and this is how
you shall make the length and itgives all the dimensions there.
And then he says you make awindow for the ark in verse 16,
and finish it to a cube, it fromthe top and set it for the door
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of the ark, and in the side ofit you shall make it with lower,
second and third decks.
And behold, I, even I ambringing the flood of the water
upon the earth to destroy allflesh and which is the breath of
life, from under heaven, andeverything that is on the earth
shall perish.
But I will establish mycovenant with you and you shall
(41:40):
enter the ark, you and your sonsand your wife and your sons'
wives with you, and every livingthing of the flesh.
You shall bring two of everykind of the ark to keep them
alive with you.
They shall be male and female,of the birds, after their kind,
and animals, after their kind ofcreeping things of the ground.
After their kind, two of everykind shall come to you to keep
them alive.
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And as for you, take foryourself some of all the food
which is edible and gather it toyourself, and it shall be for
food for you to eat and not forthem, or and for them, sorry,
and for them.
Thus, noah did according to allthat God had commanded him, so
he did.
All right.
So we gotta address this right.
The dimensions, big dimensions,big boat.
It ain't a little boat, it's abig boat, right?
Big ark gotta hold up to a lotof rain, gotta hold up to a lot
(42:24):
of wind, gotta hold up to a lotof storms, right?
So it's a big thing, and it'sgotta house a lot of animals,
all the animals, guys, all theanimals.
It seems like it it does.
How big do the animals have tobe?
Speaker 2 (42:39):
They're gonna be pretty big if they're like the
animals we see today.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Giraffes.
We're talking about giraffesbecause you know, in all the
little pictures we got giraffesand we got elephants and we got
all the little things in thekids' books.
We got everything.
Right, I do.
Does it have to be everything?
Speaker 2 (42:59):
It doesn't, because we don't know what existed at
that point in time.
There still could have been,there still are.
I mean, look at us, there'sstill creations beyond that
point.
So not necessarily every animalwas in existence.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
That we know that we know.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Where were we at Well , and then for me I've always
wondered like, did that includesnakes?
Like I know it says, animalsthat scurry along the ground?
Speaker 1 (43:28):
I'm not getting on a boat with no snake, but that's
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
but I mean truly, like it doesn't say specifically
.
I mean I know it doesn't sayspecifically, like a lot of
things, but just given that youknow the serpent in the Garden
of Eden, like would that haveincluded snakes?
And I feel like no, but I don'tknow.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
So we talked earlier about where did Cain and they
will find their wives right?
And we said, well, maybe itcould have been because it was
outside of necessarily Jesus'timeline or Jesus' genealogy
that there were othercivilizations outside of that as
well.
And we looked in Genesis 6 andwe see that maybe there's
possibly that even goes alongwith this a little bit more.
(44:14):
Well, maybe God made moreanimals after the flood.
I'm just supposed.
Just because the Bible doesn'ttell us he didn't or he did, it
doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I'm trying to make sense ofthis from a physical aspect.
Okay, I'm trying to make senseof this in the world that I'm
living, that God is necessarilyGod is describing here in
(44:36):
Genesis chapter 6.
I'm trying to make sense of itwith my own brain and my own
knowledge and my own hands,because it seems like it'd be
really difficult to put two ofeverything that, all the animals
that we've ever seen.
Maybe there's just two of theanimals in that area, I don't
know Right.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
I mean in addition, like.
So, given how big this ark islike, who's building it?
If he's the only righteous manand he's got three sons, how
long would it actually take tobuild an ark to hold the type of
animals we pursue were actuallyon there?
(45:12):
Or could it have?
Speaker 1 (45:14):
been giants helping build this thing.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Exactly like there's so many ins and outs that-.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
No hiring people to do this.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
It could take place Because essentially, like you're
talking about a place thathadn't seen, like water, like
this is a.
This is a laughing stockthere's no rain there's no rain.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yes, it hasn't rained yet.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
It hasn't that's not a thing.
You're building a boat in thedesert.
Look like an idiot.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Even you know, let's say, three sons like it's gonna
take awhile to pay on whatyou're thinking these animals
are.
So again, there's a lot ofcontext we're missing, and I
think sometimes that throwspeople off immediately.
They see that and they're likeokay, there's no way.
But what if you think about itfrom a fact that there was a way
?
You know there's two options.
(45:59):
There's both sides to a coin.
A lot of people assume it's notpossible versus assuming that
it's possible.
And the it's possible has a lotmore into it, Even your own
lives, when you're makingdecisions about yourselves.
Let's say you're trying to wina gold medal.
The it's not possible versusthe it's possible is a
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completely different mindset,and so that's what I try to do
when I read the Bible.
I try to think of ways thatmake this possible, and
sometimes it's not being theextravagant art that many are
making it out to be.
Sometimes it's a huge boat thathas enough, you know, for
family and for some commonanimals to be filled in it.
(46:44):
Sometimes they're a logical onefor me.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Well, and this thing wasn't just a little raft Like,
it was the from what I've read,it was the length of one and a
half football fields and as highas a four story building, and
it was exactly six times longerthan it was wide, which hey side
note is the same ratio thatmodern ship builders today use.
(47:11):
So, go figure.
So, like we said, it was builtmiles from any water and so,
like that's faith right there.
That is the epitome of faith.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
And it has a lot of people involved.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Yeah, yes.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
There does, there does.
Even in 120 years, one man'snot gonna be able to do this,
but I figured it out.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Okay, tell the listeners, here we go.
Wes hasn't figured out.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Take a listen.
Take a listen, are you ready?
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Noah, noah being the righteous man that he was, he
hired the sons of God, he hiredthe Nephilim, he hired the
giants of old to build this hugeship Right and to go out and
gather the animals, like theelephants.
Hey, these Nephilim, they couldjust wrestle the elephants and
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get them in there.
You know, if they wanted to,they just wrote them to the Ark.
Hey, get them, get them.
Get them.
Get that giraffe, get thatrhinoceros, just ride them into
the Ark.
You know, okay, so well, I'mkind of exaggerating that part,
but maybe that's how he got theArk built.
You know, he got the big oldguys to do it.
He hired them out to be able todo it.
(48:28):
They needed money to go aroundand womanize and drink booze,
didn't they?
Speaker 2 (48:32):
It's true.
And then you think about theflood, and it could have wiped
them clean.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Yeah, yeah, just a thought.
I think to think that Godcannot gather those animals
together in that one area, evenall the animals that we see
today.
Possibly, I don't know.
I'm just gonna tell everybody,just like we did at the
precursor of this show.
I don't know, I'm trying to doit justice, but I'm also trying
to keep an open mind, right, Iknow, throughout the Bible, god
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can use animals to do things.
He used animals to feedprophets, like birds to go and
feed prophets.
Jesus, whenever he was tryingto make a point to the disciples
that he called his disciples,the 10 chosen men, he told them
to cast their nets on this sideof the boat, and then there was
a bunch of fish.
He can school up those fish ifhe wants to.
(49:23):
He has that power because he'sa creator.
Somehow he knows how to dothose things.
So could he have sent all theanimals to that area and just
climbed on the boat?
Well, yeah, why not?
You know?
Speaker 2 (49:40):
You see it with I mean he did it with what Locusts
and you know frogs, and I meanwe see in our life like the
flocks of birds and stuff thatjust appear out of nowhere, that
take over, and even just theintelligence.
Like you see, dogs like savinglives, like jumping in water and
saving kids.
Like we, I don't think we giveanimals enough credit for what
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God kind of instilled in them.
And I always talk about thisbecause our dog personally
drives me crazy At times.
At times still a good dog, but-.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
He's a great dog.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
When you think about dogs, you know they call them,
you know, man's best friend.
If there's something a dog canteach anyone, I think it's the
unconditional love, Because nomatter what you do, you can yell
, scream, whatever, you can getso upset with that animal and
the next time they see you theyare still happy, go lucky,
(50:37):
You're still the best person inthe room and they're super
excited.
So God gives them that ability,that unconditional love.
He can do that for dogs, forexample.
What could he do with othercreatures throughout this planet
?
Speaker 3 (50:52):
Well, I funny side note I heard or read something
somewhere that said like for aman to shut your wife, your cat
and your dog in the garage withno food or water for two days
and see which one's still happyto see when you open the door.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
It's the dog.
Speaker 3 (51:13):
Unconditioned.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Unconditioned.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
That is not a suggestion here of any of us at
the Finding Faith in LosingSleep podcast.
Please do not go out and dothat to your wife here at cat or
you know here.
Hold on, hold on.
You want to go outside.
Hey, hey, fido, you want to gooutside?
That's a part for the dog.
Oh, we even have dogs listeningto the podcast now.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
You want to treat.
That's what I like.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
Want to go outside.
Guys, I'm going to keep thissimple.
Let me wrap this all up.
I'm going to keep this simple,all right.
That's what I am.
I'm a simple man.
We can get on all these littleside notes.
What are Nephilim?
Sons of God who built the ark?
We can get on all thesedifferent things and it's great
to talk about.
Don't get me wrong.
But let's not lose the point.
(52:00):
The point is God does not likesin.
He doesn't like sin.
It makes him sad, itdisappoints him.
But he also looks for ways tofind favor in man.
And if we are upright andhonest people, then he is
looking on us with favor and heis willing to save us from all
(52:24):
the corruption that's in theworld, all the sin that's in the
world and all the sin that'ssurrounding us.
He is looking to save us andthat, I think, is the main point
of Genesis 6.
And we can get lost in a lot ofdifferent things, but it's the
beautiful part of this story isthat God loves mankind and he
doesn't want mankind to becorrupt.
He wants us to obey the laws,obey his rules that are set
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there to protect us, not to harmus, and he wants a relationship
with us.
I think that's it.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
I agree.
It's the same thing we want forus and our kids.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
Right, and if this chapter wasn't in the Bible, we
wouldn't get all them coollittle Bible songs, the little
kids' songs about thearchie-archie, all those things.
It hates to lose out on stufflike that.
Speaker 3 (53:15):
Well, and I think that this chapter really brings
it back to as much as we want tosay things have changed, and
that's why the Bible is hard forus to relate to.
I think this one shows us thatthings haven't changed all that
much.
Every day, God warns peopleabout his inevitable judgment
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and still people don't believeit's going to happen.
So I think this wraps it up andsays, hey, things haven't
changed that much.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
No, I agree with you, things haven't changed that
much.
I want to just you think aboutall the different parts of the
Bible and all the things that itsays, and I can't help but
think about 1 Peter, chapter 3.
All right, so let me read this.
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And it got weird here.
1 Peter, chapter 3 gets alittle weird too.
But I'm just going to zoomthrough the weird part and just
kind of sum it all up with thepart it talks about Noah, verse
18,.
Christ also died for sins oncefor all, just for the unjust, in
order that he might bring us toGod, having been put to death
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in the flesh but made alive inthe spirit In which he sent.
This is a weird part in whichalso he went and made
proclamation to the spirits nowin prison who once were
disobedient when the patience ofGod kept waiting in the days of
Noah, during the constructionof the ark, in which a few, that
is, eight persons, were broughtsafely through the water.
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And corresponding to thatbaptism now saves you not the
removal of dirt from the flesh,but an appeal to God for a good
conscience through theresurrection of Jesus Christ,
who is at the right hand of God,having gone into heaven after
the angels and authorities andpowers had been subjected to him
.
The Bible ties itself together,you know, and all the way in 1
(55:15):
Peter, where Peter's writingabout things, and he uses the
illustration of the flood andhow the flood saved eight people
and he says baptism is also thething that saves you in a
corrupt generation.
In this generation, in Peter'sgeneration, when he was writing
this, christians were beingkilled for being Christians and
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he says look, don't let thatstop you from making a public
proclamation of your faith toChrist.
Don't let it do it, because thesame way that God saves Noah
through that public proclamationof there's going to be a boat
when there ain't no water, whenit ain't never rained, there's
going to be water here in thisdesert, the same way he made
that proclamation that peopleneed to be righteous, you're
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making that same kind ofproclamation whenever you get
baptized, to show people thatyou are making this garment
clean again.
You are making this areconciliation to God.
You are proclaiming your faithto others and you'll inspire
people to do the same thing,just like Noah did.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
Amen, that's the goal , and it only takes one of us it
does.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
Finding Faith.
Losing Sleep podcast.
That's what this is, pierre.
You can tell them how they canget in touch with us, if you
still remember how to do that.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
Yeah, so at Finding Faith, pot over on Twitter,
slash X, we're there.
And then, if you want to shootus an email, we're at
findingfaithlosingsleep atgmailcom.
Just appreciate all thelisteners.
All the reviews they don'tmatter, I know they help with
the algorithm.
They put us out in front ofothers, so any reviews you're
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willing to leave would be great.
We all can just thank you.
Thank you for taking the timeto listen to us throughout your
day.
I hope we're able to just haveopen and honest conversations
that help you along your ownjourney, and we just look
forward to continue to put theseout and hopefully make an
impact throughout our lifetimeshere that may be pushed through
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to your lifetimes and maybe thelifetimes of others.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
And Michelle, what's that cool little catchphrase
that I always say at the end?
Speaker 3 (57:20):
Pray for us and we'll pray for you.
Music.
It's time to wake up and pray up here on the Finding
Faith and Losing Sleep podcast.
Hey, thank you so much fortaking a moment out of your day
or your night whenever you'relistening to the podcast, for
just taking your day to sharewith us.
We are three regular peopletrying to journey our way
through life, and we do it alittle bit by using the Bible
some wisdom that we've retrievedfrom God over the years, and
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that's just how we do it.
We're not scholars, we're notanything that are magnificent
people going through all kindsof schooling and everything to
learn all kinds of bookknowledge.
We're not.
It is me, wes easily.
It is Pierre Wilson and hiswife, michelle Wilson.
Hello, pierre and Michelle, hi.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Wes Hi.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Did I describe us well enough?
I mean, I think I'm dumber thanwhat I even said.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
You're smartening yourself.
Credit for me.
You're right.
I think theologians I believeis the term and we're just
living life ourselves and we'rediving into our faith and
there's some things that wequestion and some things that
keep us awake.
We decided to throw a podcasttogether and just talk through
it, because we think these areconversations and others.
(01:15):
You know I'm wanting to have itand it seems like listeners are
enjoying it.
So well, we continue to diveinto it.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I think when you say theologians, it's supposed to be
theologians.
You know, like you've got tosound smart and you've got to
throw your tongue together likethis.
You know, I think that's justhow it has to be, and I was, and
every person has ever studiedtheologians.
That's OK.
They've tuned us out a longtime ago, pierre.
Those people have tuned us out.
I wanted to say that early onin this podcast.
(01:45):
Well, first I wanted to thankeverybody for listening.
You know that's alwaysimportant to do, because people
do take moments out of their dayto be able to download and then
be able to listen, and we dojust appreciate the opportunity
to be able to share our livesand our thoughts with you, and
we appreciate the feedback thatyou give to us as well, and so I
will encourage everybody justto take a moment and like this
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leave a reply or leave a commentin the comment section of
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.
It does help with algorithm, ithelps get the show out there.
That's not for our own benefit,it is for the show's benefit
and hopefully people can seethat we can work our way through
life with some godly wisdom,through a biblical perspective
(02:31):
on all the different things thatare going on in the world today
.
Because, guys, it's gettingcrazy out there.
It's been crazy out there, butI think it's about to get even
crazier.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Probably, probably, and it's it's unique.
I mean it's unique times and Ithink you know every day is
unique.
You know every, every new dayis just that.
It's a new day for all involved.
Bless to make it each day.
But as we get ready to dive in,I think some of the things that
you know maybe we're beingspoken to, you know back with
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Genesis six that we're going todive into, or some things that
we also see now, and so it'sgood to try to tie it together.
Different times, you knowdifferent lifestyles, but you
know still some similaritiesthat we can discuss.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Michelle, I have.
I've been studying the Bibleand in church for a long time
now and I'm a good parent,michelle, I can say all the
things that need to be said.
Does that make sense?
Sure does.
But whenever I open up theBible and I start reading it
(03:35):
from, I try to, I try to takeoff my parrot lenses or my
parrot, my parrot eyeglasses, ifthat, if that makes any sense.
I try to take those off andjust look at it again like for
the very first time.
Because when I started readingthe Bible 30 something years ago
, I really wasn't smart backthen.
I mean, I just I never readbooks, I never did anything, I
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never had any critical thinking,I never had any deep thinking
skills or anything.
And I think, over the years,because now in my fifties I
think, I've developed some ofthose things a little bit more
and I've been able to take my,my barstool education that I had
before I became a Christianinto my now Christian life where
I've been learning a lot morethings.
And so I try to put on I don'tknow both both shoes, I guess
(04:21):
and to be able to walk throughthe Bible that way.
I don't know if I describedthat right, michelle, but it's
just this.
This chapter is one of thosechapters where I can say all the
right things, but at the sametime, if I look at it with both
shoes on, I can.
I can man.
The path that I can go down isjust crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Well, I think what you're saying in a nutshell is
you read it differently based onthe experiences that you've had
and the wisdom that you'veyou've found throughout the
years.
Because I think it's just likeany movie or any book that you
know, we read or we watch,depending on your perspective at
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the time you're.
It's going to depend on whatyou take out of it and you might
miss something like you mightsee the same movie 10 times and
then, all of a sudden, that 10thtime, you're like huh, I don't
remember seeing that in therebefore and I think it's.
It's all because of the theexperiences that we have and how
we're feeling at the time thatwe watch it, what we take from
it and honestly, I think that'swhy some people find comfort in
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watching the same movie over andover again is that it's
predictable.
Like Pierre gets on me because Ilike Hallmark movies, right
Like.
He's like it's ridiculous,they're so bad, they're so yeah,
he thinks they're terrible.
He's like oh, you're going togo to your terrible movie
watching again.
But here's the thing I think Ienjoy it because it is
predictable.
Like, even though it's, I knowwhat the outcome is going to be.
(05:46):
I can just sit and relax andlive in that and and find my
happy place of, like you know,just being joyful.
And so I think, west, when youread the Bible, depending on
where you are in in your lifeand what is going on, is going
to depend what you get out of itand how it speaks to you, and I
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think that's really powerful,and I think it's good when we
have experiences and honestly,like Pierre, like you guys both
said, that's why we do thispodcast, because we all get
something different at differenttimes in our lives, and it's so
important to always be groundedin the Bible and to come back
to say, okay, this is how I'mfeeling about this, what does
this say to me now?
So I mean, I don't know ifthat's what you were asking me
(06:31):
about, but that's, that's how Itook it.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Oh no, I'm glad you took it some way, because I'm
never, never, quite sure whatI'm going to say whenever I do
open up my mouth.
Pierre, I am nervous about thisepisode because I have learned
a lot of weird things and manbrother, I know you're weird too
Sometimes, you, you know you've, you've not been shy about
opening up the old weird doorand and walking through there
and giving out some scenarios ofpossibilities.
(06:55):
And I feel obligated.
I don't know if it's morallyobligated, I I don't know if I'm
.
I'm feeling this way because Ido want to do the Bible do
justice.
God has granted me so muchmercy, so much grace throughout
my life and I do give him allkinds of credit for everything
that I've ever been able toaccomplish in my life and that's
just still being alive to thisday.
(07:15):
And I want to be able to doGenesis, chapter six, justice
because I believe I owe it tohim and I owe it to the
listeners, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, and I I mean that's every episode.
So one of the main reasons thatthat we dove into this is we
were hoping to at least hit youknow, someone, one person that
we could have an impact on.
And you know, as we continue tohave more episodes and as we
continue to grow in our faith,like I know, one of the topics
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that we have at church right nowis kind of what's the impact
that you're leaving behind.
You know, if there's, ifthere's one thing that's
definite, it's you know we're,we're going to all pass away
someday and you know what's thatimpact that we're leaving
behind.
And to me personally, one ofthose impacts is this podcast,
like, even when we're gone, likethe pain on, you know if it's
(08:07):
me just passing away or if Jesuscomes back whenever.
First, this podcast could lastand it could impact, you know,
my daughter.
It could impact.
If she has kids, they mightlisten to it.
It could impact strangers.
You know this, this, thismessage.
It could impact and to methat's the impact of the podcast
(08:29):
and we're all talking about it.
There's songs.
You know from years and yearsago that still have impacts.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
What's the difference , you know, with this podcast,
kind of doing the same thing.
So absolutely I want to be ableto have real conversation and
talk through it, because you,I'm not ever gonna do it.
Johnson Tiddles, JohnsonTiddles, Johnson Tiddles that's
past podcast episodes which areall able to be listened to on
whatever listening platform youlike to listen to the show on.
You can download all those andfind out all the Johnson Tiddles
(08:58):
.
We should have named that oneJohnson Tiddles, my friend.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Johnson Tiddles with Quest Easily.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Excuse me, let's jump into Genesis, chapter six.
And that's all a precursor tothis, because Genesis six is fun
.
And it's it's fun.
I love studying this chapterwith people who are a little bit
hesitant about studying theBible or about Christianity.
I say, well, what about Genesissix?
And they'll be like what wait,wait, wait me, what's in Genesis
six?
(09:25):
And I start reading Genesis sixand their eyes just get big and
they're like that's in theBible.
That's weird, what does thatmean?
And so you can just kind of getthat a jumping point.
But it's an intriguing chapterthat some people don't even
realize is in there, and and andyou got to really look into it.
So I'm going to start there.
Okay, I'm just going to go.
I'm just going to start withGenesis six.
When men began to multiply onthe face of the land, all right,
(09:46):
and we got a little bit ofcontext.
I guess we got to go contexthere.
This is this is right after theGarden of Eden.
This is right after Cain andAbel.
This is right after the.
You know they.
They get the genealogy of Adamand Eve and Cain and Abel.
This is right after all thatstuff.
So this is like part two.
This is almost like chapter two.
I know it's chapter six in theBible, but it seems like it's.
(10:08):
If you're, if you're doing aplay, this is like act two,
Right.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
This is like the time where earth no longer that
perfect paradise that Godintended it to be.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yeah, it came about when men began to multiply on
the face of the land anddaughters were born to them,
that the sons of God saw thatthe daughters of men were
beautiful and they took wivesfor themselves, whomever they
chose.
Then the Lord said my spiritshall not strive with man
forever, because he also isflesh.
Nevertheless, his day shall be120 years.
(10:41):
Let's stop right there.
Can we stop right there?
I don't know what to start with.
I want to stop.
I guess just verse two.
The sons of God saw that thedaughters of men were beautiful.
Who are the sons of God?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
That's the first thing they're saying so my
thought process are are Seth andhis kids and always I think
that way.
So we just came from, as youmentioned, king and Abel and
kind of what took place there,and then when it goes into the
genealogy a bit, it talks aboutSeth kind of being that line,
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that line to God and ultimatelyJesus.
So I go to them being likeSeth's sons and I go to the
daughters being maybe likethrough the cane lineage.
Personally is how I take it.
I think you could also read itlike are these like angels that
come and make you know withhumans?
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I can understand where thatcould come into play too, but my
initial thought is that it'skind of separating pretty much
believers versus nonbelievers.
So the sons of God are likeyour believers in him that were
men and they went on to matewith non believing women is my
interpretation of it.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Well, and my descriptor in the bottom of,
like my Bible says, some peoplehave thought that the sons of
God were fallen angels, but thisis unlikely because angels do
not marry or reproduce.
Some interpreters believe thisphrase refers to the, to the
descendants of Seth whointermarried with Cain's evil
descendants.
This would have weakened thegood influence of the faithful
and increased moral depravity inthe world, resulting in an
(12:25):
explosion of evil.
So you kind of touched on bothof those.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
The Bible seems complicated, doesn't it?
Mm-hmm?
It's a big book.
It's got a lot of names thatwe're unfamiliar with from a
long time ago that you know, andwhen you can't shake somebody's
hand or you know, the Bibleisn't really descriptive about
the main characters.
It doesn't really tell you whatJesus looks like.
You know, we rely on historicalevidence for that but it just
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doesn't describe these people sothey don't become really
personable with us from avisualization standpoint.
Mm-hmm.
But really, the Bible, I thinkit's easier if we just try to
keep things simple.
Okay, if we just kiss it, if wejust try to keep it simple,
okay, mm-hmm.
And so when you say that youthought it was the sons of God
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and I didn't want to put my twocents in until after I heard
what you guys kind of thoughtI've always thought that.
I've always thought it was justthe sons of God.
It was who God's children weresupposed to be.
It was his children and theyvaried off.
They saw women in foreign landsand look, when people look
different, we're kind of like,oh, that's kind of intriguing,
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isn't it, you know?
And maybe they just lookdifferent than there are people
that were around them andthey're like, hey, she's got
kind of dark skin.
You know that tan.
Look at that tan on that one.
So maybe that's what the sons ofGod were thinking and they
intermarried with them.
And then, all of a sudden, nowyou're deluding God's lineage,
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you are deluding what he'staught the people and what has
been passed around throughgenerations, because maybe they
worshiped other gods, right, andwe go back to what the Ten
Commandments is, which hasn'tbeen written yet, by the way.
But it doesn't mean that theTen Commandments weren't in
effect and weren't verbalizedrules throughout the time period
.
It wasn't.
So it doesn't mean those things, but it just kind of dilutes
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all that stuff, I believe.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Well, I'm not even sure it's even just different
skin color and things on thoselines.
I think it could be as simpleas, again, believers versus
nonbelievers.
So just take like a pastor,that's a righteous man that
maybe has a downfall.
So I think we watched aHillsong, the big Hillsong
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church, so there was a prettypopular younger pastor that was
doing really good thingsthroughout Hillsong's growth,
really mostly throughout theUnited States.
They were big over, I believe,in Australia and they started to
have a really big boom in theUS and they had a really young
pastor that was pretty hip andall about it and married and I
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just think about someone likethat that maybe is considered a
son of God as a righteous personthat becomes attracted to
someone that clearly isunrighteous, be it a prostitute,
a hooker, whatever you wannasay.
It's one of those on the darkside and I think, like growing
up we kind of all have thosetype of situations.
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I know a lot of the girls likebad boys when I was growing up
they wanted the motorcycle andthe tattoos and those that are
probably making bad decisions,not saying that all motorcycle
and tattoos did that, but andeven with the men, like men kind
of wanted that party girl orthe loud one, the popular one.
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That was kind of wild and crazy.
That could be the same thingback here, where you can have
some really righteous men thatcame and found themselves
attracted to unrighteous womenand then that wickedness kind of
started to spread because ittook away the righteousness that
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was left in the world andstarted to corrupt them, and I
think that's kind of what playsinto this whole wickedness in
the world.
Portion of Genesis 6.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
And instead of hookers or prostuits, can we
just refer to them as women atthe night?
Pierre, come on.
This is a family show.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I've never heard women at the night.
I've never heard women at thenight.
I'm just keeping it.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
All right, yeah, I do too.
I mean, I wanna keep it simple.
So that's the direction I'mgonna go and we'll get.
I'm gonna get weird here in aminute.
All right, let's just get weirdhere in a minute.
I'm gonna get weird here in aminute, but and I know what you
said about the fallen angels andyou know angels this may
possibly I'm gonna, I'll swimaround to that here in a minute,
(16:56):
okay, okay.
Verse three can we move on?
Good, verse three.
Then the Lord said my spiritshall not strive with man
forever, because he also isflesh.
I gotta go there.
He is also flesh.
I mean, also is like aninclusive word, isn't it?
(17:16):
Am I saying that right?
I mean, you guys are theEnglish scholars here, I'm not.
Far from it, far from it so youknow, I mean if I, if I you know
also is also.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Well, mine, mine says .
Then the Lord said my spiritwill not put up with humans for
such a long time, for they areonly mortal flesh.
In the future, their normallifespan will be no more than
120 years.
So mine it doesn't say also,Okay, About yours, pierre.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
You're good.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Mine is similar to Michelle's.
It's just, you know, notcontend with humans forever, for
they are mortal.
So I mean they also would kindof add in a little bit more
context.
Sure will, which, again, Ithink you know, we missed the
context of the Bible because weweren't there, we weren't living
back then.
We don't know the context ofwhich this was written, but that
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that one word would change somuch, yes, it would.
What you think about it there?
Speaker 1 (18:16):
I do have a little footnote here that does say that
you know that is going astray.
He is flesh.
So I'm going to go with thefootnotes on this one.
Yeah, I'm going with thefootnotes on this one.
He is flesh and that God is not.
Verse four the Nephilim that'show you say it.
I believe the Nephilim were onthe earth in those days and also
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afterward, when the sons of Godcame into the daughters of men
and they were born children tothem.
Those were the mighty men whowere of old, men, of renown.
And the Lord saw the wickednessof man was great on the earth
and that every intent of histhoughts, of his heart, was only
evil continually.
And the Lord was sorry that hehad made man on the earth and he
was grieved in his heart.
(18:58):
I feel sorry for God.
Yeah, I mean I really do.
Have you felt that way beforeabout something?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't say it about my kid.
She's a good kid, so it hasn'tbeen a case.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
I didn't mean it like that.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I mean, that's totally what it is.
We're his creation.
So I'm sure that there's beenparents that have felt that way,
where they've had a child thathas just gone so far astray that
they regret having kids, and Ithink that's kind of what this
situation is.
The tough part is you have tobelieve that God knew this was
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going to happen back in Genesis1.
Yeah, here we are in 6.
And he's still like,heartbroken that it couldn't
have been different, it couldn'thave changed.
Think of folks again withparents of, let's say, a mass
murderer or something like that.
There's got to be hurt andregret, even though you're their
parent.
You're going to have heartache.
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You're going to wonder ifthere's something you could have
done differently, something youcould have done better.
You have to think that maybethe God of the world thought the
same.
We're made in his image, so whywouldn't he have similar type
of hurts and regrets?
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, and I just read that and I do.
I get sad because my child hassinned.
I've sinned before and I'm suremy wife has had many regrets
similar to God about me wheneverI've made a mistake or two in
the past.
And so that's one of thosethings where God becomes a
little bit more real to me,because I can understand those
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emotions, because I've seen mychild fail before something,
whenever she's they've tried todo the right things but they
fail at doing the right thingsand I'll say I regret making
them, but at the same timeyou're kind of like oh, I
thought I did better than that.
This is all me, more than it'son them, but I failed them
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somehow some ways.
What is what?
I kind of one of the emotionsthat go through my head.
I also think they should knowbetter than that.
I've taught them better thanthat.
But then I go maybe I haven'ttaught them better than that.
A lot of emotions go throughhere.
So I'm glad God can become morepersonable because of this
little incident right here thatoccurred in history.
By the way, the title of thischapter in my Bible says the
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corruption of mankind.
That's such a bold statement.
The corruption of mankind, wow.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Wickedness in the world, so it's just a little
deeper.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Well, yeah, in both of yours.
Mine just says the flood OK.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Nephilim.
This is where we get into thefallen angels thing, in my
opinion.
Possibly have you guys everheard of the book of Enoch
before?
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, the book of Enoch not canonized not in our
Bibles anyway, it's not in therebut it's a book that's out
there and it explains a littlebit more about what Nephilim is
or it goes in detail about it.
I'm not saying that it'saccurate, I don't know.
It's something you got to doyourself.
I can tell you why it's notcanonized.
I can tell you why these booksare canonized.
It happened a long time ago, soyou got to use that
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decision-making process of yourown to be able to get through
that and figure out whether ornot the watchers that the book
of Enoch talks about are real.
And if they are, maybe this iswhere you got the Zeus right.
You got Zeus.
The Zeus I don't think it's theZeus you got the sun gods.
You got different kinds of godslike that throughout history
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that different civilizationsended up worshiping.
And that's where some peoplepoint back to this part of the
Bible and say that's who theNephilim were, that's who the
great men of old were.
So that's what they kind ofpoint at or what they say.
But where is it Right there?
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Oh, those were the mighty menof old, men of renown, and
that's what it's talking aboutZeus and Mercury and all the
different people that we see asGreek gods?
I guess it is, and they pointto this as possibly being that
possibility of when they wereintroduced.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Boy.
I even tied into, maybe theGoliath history themselves,
because they're talked about attimes of being giants and bigger
and strong, and so, again, youthink of them being the heroes,
if there's a whole body ofNephilim like that, then why
wouldn't they themselves kind ofhave their own lineage that
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they kind of passed down along?
So that was my thought justinto what Nephilim were, that
perhaps Goliath was kind of anancestor of this type of being.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Well, mine actually calls them giant Nephalites and
says they were probably nine or10 feet tall and most likely the
ancestors to Goliath.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
So and something else that's weird whenever you look
at ancient civilizations likethe pyramids.
How did the pyramids get there?
Who built those?
And, by the way, the pyramidsnot only are they huge
structures with very big blocks,but the blocks aren't all the
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same size.
The way they're constructed,they are so pinpoint and
accuracy.
It would take a very smartperson to do that, not a dumb
old civilization just puttingrocks on top of each other.
It would know that's not how itwent.
It couldn't be, because notonly did they have it in that
one area, like a great pyramid,which was at one point the
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largest structure on the entireplanet I believe the tallest one
but there were pyramids allover the world that were built.
How does that happen With thesame kind of precision that a
great pyramid was?
Or even all the pyramids inEgypt?
How did they get made?
And who lifts them and whomoves them?
(25:06):
And there's so many questionslike that that I don't know that
we'll ever have the answers to.
But we can point at maybe achapter like this and say, OK,
there could have been nine or10-foot dudes walking around
constructing things.
And then you look at castles,or you look at different
buildings that had huge doorwaysand had huge doors that opened
(25:30):
up sky high.
Why would they build them sohigh, other than people had to
walk through?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
them Both walking through them, and just the
request of those that want it.
So think of, just today, allthe big houses.
I know they're not made likethey were back then, but all
these things are man-made.
So think of what the wealthyhave built from a mansion
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standpoint, a house standpoint,and what's to stop that from
happening back then.
Or you have someone of power,of authority just wanting
something gigantic that lastsforever, and obviously, in
making something gigantic,you're going to want to have
those that potentially arebuilding it for you to be able
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to get in and out as well.
So that's a good point.
But I think that's kind ofwhere it comes from, or could
have come from at least, withsome of the wealthy, those of
power, requesting thesestructures to be built in order
for them to kind of flexthemselves on who they are and
what their power is.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Not only could these people have been physically big
specimens but you know, that'sjust a hypothetical speaking
maybe fallen angels, watchers,whatever you want to call them
but also mentally.
Maybe they were superior thanwe can imagine as well.
It's hard to imagine somebodywalking around and that's 8, 9,
10 foot tall, as big as Goliath.
(26:57):
It's hard to imagine that kindof stuff and it's fun whenever
you're talking about it in akid's story, but then you
actually visualize it and you'relike that would be really scary
.
Maybe they were really smarttoo and they knew how to have
the cutting tools to be able tomake those kind of structures
along the way to move those kindof things.
Maybe they had some kind ofknowledge that got lost over a
(27:18):
period of time.
I don't know.
But you know what.
I know, michelle, what you haveto sit there and not say that
there is some credibility tothose thoughts, or at least to
be able to say I don't know theanswers to those questions, but
they're pretty good questions.
To say no, that can never happenTo me.
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That shuts off the possibilityof any of that happening, but
also shuts off people fromlistening to you about the rest
of the Bible, because this is aweird part of the Bible.
But the Bible we've found outto be pretty weird all the way
through it.
So even the story of Jesuscoming to the earth and dying
for our sins, that's a weirdstory as well.
(27:59):
So if we can't listen to whatother people maybe think and we
just close it off because we'reChristians and it just sounds
weird, well the whole Biblesounds weird to them.
So why would they even listento any of it?
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Right, it's true, I mean it does.
I think that's why we talkabout this is because as humans,
sometimes it's just reallytough for us to wrap our brains
around some of the things, a lotof the things in the Bible,
because number one it's not, Imean, it is happening now, but
what we're reading happened solong ago that a lot of these
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things are so hard for us tojust comprehend.
So I think that's again that'swhy this is important.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I agree and remember who wrote Genesis, moses right,
and why did he write it?
Because the children of Israel,while they were wandering
through the wilderness or underhis control or under his
leadership, they were askingquestions and they were like
where do we come from, moses?
Could you tell us?
How did those buildings getthere?
And so maybe this was part ofthat explanation.
(29:06):
I don't know.
I don't know, and that's why Isaid that stuff at the beginning
of everything, because I dolike to keep an open mind.
I do like to hear a lot ofdifferent stuff Doesn't mean I
agree with it all and doesn'tmean I'll ever come to a
conclusion about it all, becauseI don't want to pretend that
I'm a know it all, because Idon't know it all and I've
learned so much from not knowingit all that I want to continue
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to not know it all.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, it makes sense.
But I mean and also think aboutenlightening this once you do
know it though I'm not gonnaknow it all but think of
situations that, even liketoday's society, that we say,
okay, that's impossible, there'sno way that took place.
And then we get the facts or weget the images or the videos
and you're like, oh, that reallywas a thing, and maybe it would
(29:54):
have been exaggerated orsomething along those lines
along the way, or maybe it'seven bigger than you thought it
would.
But there's still a situationnow where you can read something
or see something.
You know it's not the sameuntil you've actually witnessed
it.
Then you're like, oh, okay,maybe I was wrong, maybe there's
something to this.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Oh, you're right, I'm sorry.
Neighborhood kids are walkingin my door right now.
That's the kind of house I have.
I have a neighbor.
I have a house whereneighborhood kids come in just
to see what I'm talking about.
I guess I'm gonna stand up onmy desk and I'm gonna pretend
I'm a Nephilim and just scarethe boot.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Oh, Well, we're not far past Halloween, so that's
true.
The.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Lord said I always stop like.
This next verse is like.
I know you mentioned your graceand mercy.
I think we've always talkedabout our grace and mercy.
I feel like the next verse iskind of where that comes into
play here all the way back inGenesis 6.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
The Lord said I will plot out man, whom I have
created, from the face of theland, from a man to animals, to
creeping things into birds ofthe sky.
For I am sorry that I have madethem, but Noah found favor in
the eyes of the Lord.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Right there.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
That's your salvation verse.
So he's telling he's gettingready to, he's basically gonna
wipe the earth clean.
He's gonna start from scratchpotentially.
But.
But Noah found favor in theeyes of the Lord and there's
that grace and mercy moment fromGod right there.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Well, yeah, I think this tells us like God was sorry
that people chose sin and deathover a relationship with him,
and even though Noah wasn'tperfect and neither are we like
he found favor with Noah, so Ithink that should be encouraging
to all of us.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, no, no, for real it should be, and I think I
plugged this once or twice theGenesis Museum or the Creation
Museum, creation Museum, theyhave it set up to where you can.
You walk in and you kind of goback to prehistoric days and you
just keep following this pathright through biblical timeline
I guess it is and you just keepwalking through this.
(32:14):
I don't wanna call it a maze,but it's just how the museum
kind of pushes you and you getover to the Noah Park.
So cool.
It's kind of cool.
It's kind of weird because ithas those 3D animatric guys like
you would see at Showbiz Pizzaor something.
I don't see the scheme, but Imean it's high quality.
Don't get me wrong, I didn't.
I did not expect this place tobe as high quality.
(32:36):
I thought it was gonna be atsome dude's barn, okay, and it
was just gonna be all made of.
But this was high quality stuffand they had people working on
this, what looks like a boat oran ark.
You know, we know it's an ark,but they had people working on
it, but it was all thoseanimatronic things.
I don't even know if I'm sayingthe right word there.
And then you had this guylooking at these plans and
somebody else standing next tohim.
(32:57):
And the guy working on theplans you figure out is Noah,
because he kind of turns to theguy.
He says, man, it's reallycoming along well, noah's gonna
have a Southern accent, becauseI live in the South.
He says, man, it's reallycoming along well.
Yes, no, it is.
We got the wood coming in forall this.
Well, that's great.
Have you thought about turningback to the Lord and Noah starts
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giving up the gospel like that,right there?
And it's cool to see that.
I never visualized it.
Ken Ham and all those peopledid a great job of putting those
things together and it always.
This chapter always reminds meof that now, because it's so
strong.
It's so strong whenever I sawit, not as strong as when
Methuselah was standing there ina corner or I'm sorry, he was
sitting there Indian style inthe corner and he kind of sneaks
(33:44):
up on it.
It doesn't really sneak up onyou, but he's sitting in the
corner.
You don't even know he's thereuntil you walk by him and he
goes.
I'm Methuselah, I'm the oldestperson in the Bible and honestly
, it creeped me out.
It creeped me out.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
It sounds like.
Is that the one with Kentucky,Cincinnati?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Great vacation spot.
So many things to do there inthat area, and that is one of
the things that you could do.
It's well worth it.
Don't even think twice aboutspending that money, however
much it is, I can't evenremember how much it was.
Don't think twice about it.
It was so worth it.
Good to know.
Yeah, by the way, the podcastis not sponsored by anybody.
(34:21):
No, I'm not selling.
I do too.
I like that part and I like thatGod wants us to succeed.
You know, noah found favor inGod's sight, and we do too.
Men find favor in God's sight,and that's why he made us a way
to be able to reconcile to him,because he does want to be with
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us.
He wants us to be in hispresence, he wants us to be in
fellowship with him.
He wants to be in arelationship with him, and I
think that that's what theentire Bible is written for is
so that we can find a way to God, and it shows how God always
finds his way to us.
God doesn't move God.
He will find us and he willreconcile.
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It gives us an opportunity toreconcile ourselves to him, and
that's the beautiful thing aboutit.
He does that for all mankindand he could have said you know,
just forget it.
But Noah was obviously anupright and honest man.
Thank you so much, noah.
Thank you for being that guy.
I appreciate it and I thank allthe men or women out there who
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are still the Noah's of thisgeneration who are giving people
an opportunity to be reconciledto God through what those
people show him.
There's a lot of Noah's in thisworld.
We need more Noah's in thisworld because the world is
sinking all around us.
The world is full of sin allaround us and we can see from
Noah that you can not be a partof that and you can lift
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yourself above all that andstand out in the crowd, and God
sees that.
Don't for a moment think Goddoesn't see those little bits of
honesty, that you have thelittle helping out of the old
lady somewhere, the being kindto your neighbor.
Don't think God doesn't seethat.
God sees that and he wants thatand it's so inspirational to so
many people.
If it wasn't for Noah, thestory wouldn't end as well as it
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does, guys.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
It's true, and you see it throughout the Bible.
I call it Texas, one righteousperson to kind of change the
course of history.
You can say it with Abraham toan extent, and we say it with
Noah, I believe, even when yougo into the very sinful place,
(36:38):
sodom and Gomorrah.
Yeah, even with their asking God.
If there's one righteous, wouldyou save it?
Yes, if there's two, would yousave it?
Yes, as long as there's onerighteous person available in
God's eyes, like he's going toshow grace and he's going to
show mercy to more than justthem at times.
But there are also times wherehe just saves that righteous
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person, be it through a boat, beit through them removing
themselves or getting them awayfrom the city that they're in.
But that should be encouragingto all to continue to stay the
course, to continue to fight forbeing righteous, because you
could be the one in yourgeneration, in your time.
(37:26):
The impacts the lives of othersdown the road.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I think that's the moral of the story right, Strive
to be righteous.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
These are the records of the generation of Noah.
Noah was a righteous man,blameless in his time.
Noah walked with God.
Oh boy, that'd be good on yourtombstone, wouldn't it?
Noah became the father of threesons Shem, ham and Japheth.
You know what I thought of onetime whenever I was reading
through the Bible.
I decided I'm not skipping overthe genealogies, I'm reading
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the genealogies.
And so I read the genealogiesright, and it was always this
person, begat that person.
This person begat that person.
They lived 190 million yearsand begat that person.
It was weird that it came inverse 10, that it puts all three
sons all in the same verse.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
And.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I was like huh, are they triplets?
Just one thing, just one thing.
Just one thing, Just money, youever know?
Just something to pay attentionto as the story unfolds Now.
The earth was corrupt in thesight of God, and the earth was
filled with violence.
And God looked on the earth andbehold, it was corrupt, for all
flesh had corrupted their wayupon the earth.
And God said to Noah this iskind of neat, god talking to
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Noah.
I know I hear the voicessometimes and I'm not gonna say
it's God, but you just have thatintuition or whatever.
I think this is different.
I don't think this is likesomething telling me I should go
here or I should go there orsomething, or just the little
intuition, the still small voiceinside of you, or whatever.
I think this is different.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
I think so too, and I think at times, like it's kind
of hard for us to imagineactually hearing like the voice
of God, and I started thinkingabout, like all the distractions
that we have in today's timeversus back then, whether it be
technology, even books, readingmaterials, just all the things
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that kind of take your attentionaway from just being in quiet
being, still being in peace,that maybe they had more of back
in the day.
They didn't have TVs, theydidn't have cell phones,
computers, cars to get themquickly from place to place.
They were probably just out innature.
(39:39):
Something didn't even have big,not like houses, there were
tents and, you know, huts andthings along those lines that
took place.
So think about just you beingin silence, one with nature,
like how more likely you wouldbe to hear something if you
weren't distracted by thingssurrounding you.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Well and I think we've talked about that in
previous episodes right Like,distraction is the work of the
devil.
Like so, I think if we're notdistracted and the devil isn't
at work like that, you would bemore apt to hear God's voice.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
No, I agree it would be, and maybe in today's society
that we can't hear God's voice.
Maybe he doesn't want to berecorded because you know people
would be recording it if theycould somehow Could you say that
a little louder?
God right here, yeah, it wasdifferent, definitely back then.
The end of the flesh has comebefore me, for the earth is
(40:39):
filled with violence.
What, pierre?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
So I probably freak out like oh yeah, I know, if
you're shooting cases, it's likePierre.
I'm like, ah, probably wouldn'tbe his name, so Sorry, no.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
No, then it'd be Pierre.
Why did you just wet yourself?
That's what's the yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
I think you know why.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
The end of all flesh has come before me, for the
earth is filled with violencebecause of them.
And behold, I am about todestroy them with the earth.
Make for yourself an ark ofgopher wood.
You shall make the ark withrooms.
You shall cover it inside andout with pitch, and this is how
you shall make the length and itgives all the dimensions there.
And then he says you make awindow for the ark in verse 16,
and finish it to a cube, it fromthe top and set it for the door
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of the ark, and in the side ofit you shall make it with lower,
second and third decks.
And behold, I, even I ambringing the flood of the water
upon the earth to destroy allflesh and which is the breath of
life, from under heaven, andeverything that is on the earth
shall perish.
But I will establish mycovenant with you and you shall
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enter the ark, you and your sonsand your wife and your sons'
wives with you, and every livingthing of the flesh.
You shall bring two of everykind of the ark to keep them
alive with you.
They shall be male and female,of the birds, after their kind,
and animals, after their kind ofcreeping things of the ground.
After their kind, two of everykind shall come to you to keep
them alive.
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And as for you, take foryourself some of all the food
which is edible and gather it toyourself, and it shall be for
food for you to eat and not forthem, or and for them, sorry,
and for them.
Thus, noah did according to allthat God had commanded him, so
he did.
All right.
So we gotta address this right.
The dimensions, big dimensions,big boat.
It ain't a little boat, it's abig boat, right?
Big ark gotta hold up to a lotof rain, gotta hold up to a lot
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of wind, gotta hold up to a lotof storms, right?
So it's a big thing, and it'sgotta house a lot of animals,
all the animals, guys, all theanimals.
It seems like it it does.
How big do the animals have tobe?
Speaker 2 (42:39):
They're gonna be pretty big if they're like the
animals we see today.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Giraffes.
We're talking about giraffesbecause you know, in all the
little pictures we got giraffesand we got elephants and we got
all the little things in thekids' books.
We got everything.
Right, I do.
Does it have to be everything?
Speaker 2 (42:59):
It doesn't, because we don't know what existed at
that point in time.
There still could have been,there still are.
I mean, look at us, there'sstill creations beyond that
point.
So not necessarily every animalwas in existence.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
That we know that we know.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Where were we at Well , and then for me I've always
wondered like, did that includesnakes?
Like I know it says, animalsthat scurry along the ground?
Speaker 1 (43:28):
I'm not getting on a boat with no snake, but that's
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
but I mean truly, like it doesn't say specifically
.
I mean I know it doesn't sayspecifically, like a lot of
things, but just given that youknow the serpent in the Garden
of Eden, like would that haveincluded snakes?
And I feel like no, but I don'tknow.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
So we talked earlier about where did Cain and they
will find their wives right?
And we said, well, maybe itcould have been because it was
outside of necessarily Jesus'timeline or Jesus' genealogy
that there were othercivilizations outside of that as
well.
And we looked in Genesis 6 andwe see that maybe there's
possibly that even goes alongwith this a little bit more.
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Well, maybe God made moreanimals after the flood.
I'm just supposed.
Just because the Bible doesn'ttell us he didn't or he did, it
doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I'm trying to make sense ofthis from a physical aspect.
Okay, I'm trying to make senseof this in the world that I'm
living, that God is necessarilyGod is describing here in
(44:36):
Genesis chapter 6.
I'm trying to make sense of itwith my own brain and my own
knowledge and my own hands,because it seems like it'd be
really difficult to put two ofeverything that, all the animals
that we've ever seen.
Maybe there's just two of theanimals in that area, I don't
know Right.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
I mean in addition, like.
So, given how big this ark islike, who's building it?
If he's the only righteous manand he's got three sons, how
long would it actually take tobuild an ark to hold the type of
animals we pursue were actuallyon there?
(45:12):
Or could it have?
Speaker 1 (45:14):
been giants helping build this thing.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Exactly like there's so many ins and outs that-.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
No hiring people to do this.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
It could take place Because essentially, like you're
talking about a place thathadn't seen, like water, like
this is a.
This is a laughing stockthere's no rain there's no rain.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yes, it hasn't rained yet.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
It hasn't that's not a thing.
You're building a boat in thedesert.
Look like an idiot.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
Even you know, let's say, three sons like it's gonna
take awhile to pay on whatyou're thinking these animals
are.
So again, there's a lot ofcontext we're missing, and I
think sometimes that throwspeople off immediately.
They see that and they're likeokay, there's no way.
But what if you think about itfrom a fact that there was a way
?
You know there's two options.
(45:59):
There's both sides to a coin.
A lot of people assume it's notpossible versus assuming that
it's possible.
And the it's possible has a lotmore into it, Even your own
lives, when you're makingdecisions about yourselves.
Let's say you're trying to wina gold medal.
The it's not possible versusthe it's possible is a
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completely different mindset,and so that's what I try to do
when I read the Bible.
I try to think of ways thatmake this possible, and
sometimes it's not being theextravagant art that many are
making it out to be.
Sometimes it's a huge boat thathas enough, you know, for
family and for some commonanimals to be filled in it.
(46:44):
Sometimes they're a logical onefor me.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Well, and this thing wasn't just a little raft Like,
it was the from what I've read,it was the length of one and a
half football fields and as highas a four story building, and
it was exactly six times longerthan it was wide, which hey side
note is the same ratio thatmodern ship builders today use.
(47:11):
So, go figure.
So, like we said, it was builtmiles from any water and so,
like that's faith right there.
That is the epitome of faith.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
And it has a lot of people involved.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Yeah, yes.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
There does, there does.
Even in 120 years, one man'snot gonna be able to do this,
but I figured it out.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Okay, tell the listeners, here we go.
Wes hasn't figured out.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Take a listen.
Take a listen, are you ready?
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Noah, noah being the righteous man that he was, he
hired the sons of God, he hiredthe Nephilim, he hired the
giants of old to build this hugeship Right and to go out and
gather the animals, like theelephants.
Hey, these Nephilim, they couldjust wrestle the elephants and
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get them in there.
You know, if they wanted to,they just wrote them to the Ark.
Hey, get them, get them.
Get them.
Get that giraffe, get thatrhinoceros, just ride them into
the Ark.
You know, okay, so well, I'mkind of exaggerating that part,
but maybe that's how he got theArk built.
You know, he got the big oldguys to do it.
He hired them out to be able todo it.
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They needed money to go aroundand womanize and drink booze,
didn't they?
Speaker 2 (48:32):
It's true.
And then you think about theflood, and it could have wiped
them clean.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Yeah, yeah, just a thought.
I think to think that Godcannot gather those animals
together in that one area, evenall the animals that we see
today.
Possibly, I don't know.
I'm just gonna tell everybody,just like we did at the
precursor of this show.
I don't know, I'm trying to doit justice, but I'm also trying
to keep an open mind, right, Iknow, throughout the Bible, god
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can use animals to do things.
He used animals to feedprophets, like birds to go and
feed prophets.
Jesus, whenever he was tryingto make a point to the disciples
that he called his disciples,the 10 chosen men, he told them
to cast their nets on this sideof the boat, and then there was
a bunch of fish.
He can school up those fish ifhe wants to.
(49:23):
He has that power because he'sa creator.
Somehow he knows how to dothose things.
So could he have sent all theanimals to that area and just
climbed on the boat?
Well, yeah, why not?
You know?
Speaker 2 (49:40):
You see it with I mean he did it with what Locusts
and you know frogs, and I meanwe see in our life like the
flocks of birds and stuff thatjust appear out of nowhere, that
take over, and even just theintelligence.
Like you see, dogs like savinglives, like jumping in water and
saving kids.
Like we, I don't think we giveanimals enough credit for what
(50:03):
God kind of instilled in them.
And I always talk about thisbecause our dog personally
drives me crazy At times.
At times still a good dog, but-.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
He's a great dog.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
When you think about dogs, you know they call them,
you know, man's best friend.
If there's something a dog canteach anyone, I think it's the
unconditional love, Because nomatter what you do, you can yell
, scream, whatever, you can getso upset with that animal and
the next time they see you theyare still happy, go lucky,
(50:37):
You're still the best person inthe room and they're super
excited.
So God gives them that ability,that unconditional love.
He can do that for dogs, forexample.
What could he do with othercreatures throughout this planet
?
Speaker 3 (50:52):
Well, I funny side note I heard or read something
somewhere that said like for aman to shut your wife, your cat
and your dog in the garage withno food or water for two days
and see which one's still happyto see when you open the door.
Speaker 2 (51:12):
It's the dog.
Speaker 3 (51:13):
Unconditioned.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Unconditioned.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
That is not a suggestion here of any of us at
the Finding Faith in LosingSleep podcast.
Please do not go out and dothat to your wife here at cat or
you know here.
Hold on, hold on.
You want to go outside.
Hey, hey, fido, you want to gooutside?
That's a part for the dog.
Oh, we even have dogs listeningto the podcast now.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
You want to treat.
That's what I like.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
Want to go outside.
Guys, I'm going to keep thissimple.
Let me wrap this all up.
I'm going to keep this simple,all right.
That's what I am.
I'm a simple man.
We can get on all these littleside notes.
What are Nephilim?
Sons of God who built the ark?
We can get on all thesedifferent things and it's great
to talk about.
Don't get me wrong.
But let's not lose the point.
(52:00):
The point is God does not likesin.
He doesn't like sin.
It makes him sad, itdisappoints him.
But he also looks for ways tofind favor in man.
And if we are upright andhonest people, then he is
looking on us with favor and heis willing to save us from all
(52:24):
the corruption that's in theworld, all the sin that's in the
world and all the sin that'ssurrounding us.
He is looking to save us andthat, I think, is the main point
of Genesis 6.
And we can get lost in a lot ofdifferent things, but it's the
beautiful part of this story isthat God loves mankind and he
doesn't want mankind to becorrupt.
He wants us to obey the laws,obey his rules that are set
(52:48):
there to protect us, not to harmus, and he wants a relationship
with us.
I think that's it.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
I agree.
It's the same thing we want forus and our kids.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
Right, and if this chapter wasn't in the Bible, we
wouldn't get all them coollittle Bible songs, the little
kids' songs about thearchie-archie, all those things.
It hates to lose out on stufflike that.
Speaker 3 (53:15):
Well, and I think that this chapter really brings
it back to as much as we want tosay things have changed, and
that's why the Bible is hard forus to relate to.
I think this one shows us thatthings haven't changed all that
much.
Every day, God warns peopleabout his inevitable judgment
(53:38):
and still people don't believeit's going to happen.
So I think this wraps it up andsays, hey, things haven't
changed that much.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
No, I agree with you, things haven't changed that
much.
I want to just you think aboutall the different parts of the
Bible and all the things that itsays, and I can't help but
think about 1 Peter, chapter 3.
All right, so let me read this.
(54:07):
And it got weird here.
1 Peter, chapter 3 gets alittle weird too.
But I'm just going to zoomthrough the weird part and just
kind of sum it all up with thepart it talks about Noah, verse
18,.
Christ also died for sins oncefor all, just for the unjust, in
order that he might bring us toGod, having been put to death
(54:30):
in the flesh but made alive inthe spirit In which he sent.
This is a weird part in whichalso he went and made
proclamation to the spirits nowin prison who once were
disobedient when the patience ofGod kept waiting in the days of
Noah, during the constructionof the ark, in which a few, that
is, eight persons, were broughtsafely through the water.
(54:50):
And corresponding to thatbaptism now saves you not the
removal of dirt from the flesh,but an appeal to God for a good
conscience through theresurrection of Jesus Christ,
who is at the right hand of God,having gone into heaven after
the angels and authorities andpowers had been subjected to him
.
The Bible ties itself together,you know, and all the way in 1
(55:15):
Peter, where Peter's writingabout things, and he uses the
illustration of the flood andhow the flood saved eight people
and he says baptism is also thething that saves you in a
corrupt generation.
In this generation, in Peter'sgeneration, when he was writing
this, christians were beingkilled for being Christians and
(55:36):
he says look, don't let thatstop you from making a public
proclamation of your faith toChrist.
Don't let it do it, because thesame way that God saves Noah
through that public proclamationof there's going to be a boat
when there ain't no water, whenit ain't never rained, there's
going to be water here in thisdesert, the same way he made
that proclamation that peopleneed to be righteous, you're
(55:56):
making that same kind ofproclamation whenever you get
baptized, to show people thatyou are making this garment
clean again.
You are making this areconciliation to God.
You are proclaiming your faithto others and you'll inspire
people to do the same thing,just like Noah did.
Speaker 2 (56:19):
Amen, that's the goal , and it only takes one of us it
does.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
Finding Faith.
Losing Sleep podcast.
That's what this is, pierre.
You can tell them how they canget in touch with us, if you
still remember how to do that.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
Yeah, so at Finding Faith, pot over on Twitter,
slash X, we're there.
And then, if you want to shootus an email, we're at
findingfaithlosingsleep atgmailcom.
Just appreciate all thelisteners.
All the reviews they don'tmatter, I know they help with
the algorithm.
They put us out in front ofothers, so any reviews you're
(56:53):
willing to leave would be great.
We all can just thank you.
Thank you for taking the timeto listen to us throughout your
day.
I hope we're able to just haveopen and honest conversations
that help you along your ownjourney, and we just look
forward to continue to put theseout and hopefully make an
impact throughout our lifetimeshere that may be pushed through
(57:13):
to your lifetimes and maybe thelifetimes of others.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
And Michelle, what's that cool little catchphrase
that I always say at the end?
Speaker 3 (57:20):
Pray for us and we'll pray for you.
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