July 30, 2024 • 61 mins
Join Pierre, Michelle, and Wes as we celebrate our 30-episode milestone with laughter, nostalgia, and a few unexpected twists. We reminisce about past discussions, especially our deep dives into Genesis. Our chat then veers towards the latest Olympic opening ceremonies, sparking a lively conversation about the importance of focusing on uplifting news over negativity.
Navigating the choppy waters of political division, we examine how media and public discourse often fuel societal divides. By reflecting on campaigns like "He Gets Us" that showcase Jesus' teachings, we highlight the universal appreciation for his messages and the disillusionment felt due to the actions of some Christians. Emphasizing kindness and respectful communication, we stress the importance of educating rather than belittling, recalling that actions without love lose their meaning. From personal experiences with racism to the influence of media on cultural perceptions, our discussion aims to foster unity and critical thinking.
Technology's dual nature and the moral dilemmas it presents also take center stage as we explore how ancient practices and modern challenges intersect. With a nod to 1 Corinthians 8 and its lessons on actions impacting others, we consider how today's "idols" shape our lives and faith. Wrapping up, we address a listener's request to delve into the book of Ephesians, inviting our podcast family to collectively read and discuss its rich themes and key passages in our next episode. Join us for a thoughtful and entertaining journey through life, faith, and everything in between.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
it's time to wake up and pray up.
I said I said.
I said wake up and pray up hereon the finding faith and losing
sleep podcast.
Uh, great to have you with usagain for another episode,
episode pierre.
Is this episode 22?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
we're beyond that.
Like it's.
It's been a while since werecord it, but we are.
We're getting ready to hitanother milestone.
We're pushing the 3-0.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Are milestones, kind of like gallstones.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I think they're a little less painful.
Yeah, man, we're getting to 30.
I know that's a tough age whenit comes to humans.
People start to enter in.
I'm getting old for some, somereason at 30, when 30s are
actually pretty good, sohopefully our 30s, when it comes
to episodes, are also prettygood.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Michelle, michelle's Pierre's wife, pierre, is, of
course, one of the hosts here onthis podcast.
Michelle is another host andit's his wife, and I am a host
Wes Easley, over here on thisFinding Faith in Losing Sleep
podcast.
Michelle, did you ever hearthat joke where people talk
about like I made it to 30, andthen I hit 40s and then I'm
pushing 50?
You know?
Kind of a joke.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I have not, but it makes sense.
I feel like I'm pushing 50 forsure and it's going to like push
me along hopefully.
I don't know, it's a struggle,for sure I'm not there yet, but
I'm going to be close On thisepisode of Finding Faith and
Losing Sleep.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
By the way, I've gone back and I've listened to some
past episodes in between thetimes that we've talked about
different things and differenttopics and it was relevant.
And, Pierre, we've got so manythings to talk about this
episode.
I know it doesn't seem like wewill talk about a lot of stuff,
but I think we will.
Somebody sent me a DM over onTwitter and, Pierre, you can
(01:56):
give all the Twitter handles andemail addresses and everything
like that.
Encourage people to get intouch with us right now.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Findingfaith at FindingF at finding faith.
Pod over on twitter.
Slash x.
Whatever you're calling thisday, still twitter for me.
Email finding faith dot losingsleep at gmailcom.
I'm peewee 31.
Michelle is go pack, go 411 andyou are loafing it like the
bread loaf to reach out to wes,that's right.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
That's right at loafing it over there on twitter
, uh.
But somebody dm'd me and I hadsent them one of the past
episodes of ours I think episode16, where we talked about some
controversial stuff which, bythe way, kind of makes headlines
today because of the Olympicstuff that went on at the
opening ceremonies that went on,and so that was where that DM
kind of came from and talkedabout things.
(02:41):
But the listening back to thoseepisodes, I don't know that we
ever finished talking aboutGenesis.
We kind of got derailed off ofGenesis a little bit.
So if we ever are hurting forcontent, we can just kind of go
back to Genesis and talk aboutsome of those things.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
We could.
We recently went to theCreation Museum as well as the,
the ark encounter.
Um, which kind of ties in a lotof genesis actually.
So I don't know if I'm moreknowledgeable on the, the
subject or the, the bible bookor version, but it was a lot of
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genesis tied into it.
They try to give us some moreexplanations on, you know just
how creation came to be?
Uh, obviously, how the, the arkand the flood you know took
place and things along thoselines.
That was really cool didbethuselah.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Scare you, michelle no, but I could see how it could
oh yeah, creep me out.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Man bethuselah creeped me out there in the
corner all by himself and thenhe started talking to me.
It's a bunch of them,animatronic kind of things,
those robots, and they'retalking to you like in Showbiz
Pizza whenever you were a kid.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
It just creeped me out, man.
I was terrified of those atShowbiz, but I was good Adult.
Me was perfectly fine.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah, that was pretty cool.
Cincinnati that was a nicelittle place to visit myself.
I've been there.
Let's talk about that openingceremony.
Okay, A lot of people.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Six, seven.
That's what everyone's.
I don't want to say yapping.
I feel like yapping is thewrong term, but I don't know.
I have some opinions on that,just kind of popping up all over
the place.
But I'll let you continue.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
No, I don't even know what you're talking about and
as we talk about these kind ofheadlines that are in there,
michelle, you were talking alittle bit about this stuff
before the show and I told youto save it for the show, so I'd
like to hear a little bit moreabout how you don't know
anything going on in the news,don't know anything going on in
the news.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Well, okay, so we're getting a foreign exchange
student in a few days, so I'vebeen super busy trying to get
everything ready and like thehouse ready.
So, quite honestly, I didn'tsee the opening ceremonies.
I haven't really been on socialmedia a ton.
Most of what I've learned aboutit has been just brief
conversations with peers.
So I don't know that I'm goingto have a lot to say in this
episode, which is probably good,but I'm not up on current
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events very much at the moment.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
We don't watch the news anyway.
Yeah, we choose not to.
I feel like it's mostlynegative.
If not, then they usually chimein and start off with something
negative and it just kind oftings me out too.
I know negative happens, but Ican interact with negative
without you know a newsbroadcast to tell me about the
negative.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I can find plenty on my own, that's for sure now I
see why you wanted to do thisepisode, pierre because you knew
michelle wouldn't have anythingto say for about an hour I
would never, I would, I wouldnever be that person I don't.
I don't watch a lot of newseither.
I get it from bits here andthere on the headlines that pop
up on my phone or where thealgorithm sends me things, or
(05:51):
something like that.
I tend to now believe that myopinions are made because of
what I do see, from the opinionson the news.
They feed you stuff and thus itmakes your opinions about how
you're reacting to the world orhow you're reacting to news
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events that are going on.
And, by the way, the newsevents that I see if I go
outside, if I go anywhere, itfeels like the news events
aren't happening in my area andI have to question okay, is this
stuff just all being done inHollywood sets?
Is it really news going on, oris this all just stuff?
(06:35):
Because there's never any newsgoing on in my area, my neck of
the woods.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I feel like that was probably how a lot of folks got
through like history.
You think about like back inthe day, ancient times or even
years before you know yoursocial media, your televisions,
you were, you were only aware ofwhat was going on in your, your
little town.
You had no idea what was takingplace unless you went out and,
(07:04):
like, bought a newspaper orsomething.
And you know, maybe if yournewspaper had some you know
reporters or outreach to some ofthe outskirts of your city
within the same state, you mightget some of that.
But you weren't getting.
You know worldly news and eventhings throughout the country
you weren't getting.
So it'd be hard to kind of divein and have an opinion on stuff
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that you had no idea was eventaking place in your life.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Well, not only that, but like even when I was a kid,
if we watched the news, it wasthe news.
Like now I feel like the newshas become political or trying
to drive home certain points andlike that kind of stuff, and
it's just, it's frustrating.
It's kind of like social media,like everybody has an agenda
(07:50):
and social media getsfrustrating with that too.
Like those algorithms are likeno joke.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
The old saying is whoever wins the war writes the
history, and so that's, that'ssomething as you elaborate to
the history point, pierre.
It's maybe our thoughts andopinions based on history are
just because of who won the war,which could very well be.
But back to the openingceremonies on the Olympics
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stirred up a lot of controversyjust because of they're always
weird, you know what I mean.
Like the opening closingceremonies, they're always weird
, you know what I mean.
Like the opening closingceremonies, they're just always
kind of weird, and maybe I'mjust not artsy enough to
understand what's going on orcare to know what's going on.
I am one of those kind of guyswho gets bored walking through a
museum.
I'll be honest with you, I getbored.
I don't find a lot of pleasurein going to museums.
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I don't know what it is aboutme that doesn't make that to
each their own.
Some people really like thatstuff, and so be it.
But they called it artsy, andI'm not sure what artsy is.
I had to ask my daughter,because my daughter, smart girl,
smart young lady I didn't pay alot of attention in school.
I guess I was too poor to payattention.
My daughter, though, she's verysmart, and I said, hey, hey,
(09:03):
look, that lady was like sittingthere talking with her head in
her hand in there.
Wasn't there a lot ofbeheadings in france?
And the daughter said, yeah.
I said, okay, that makes sense,I get that.
Um, and then you had, though,the, the, and I call it an
agenda.
Maybe it's because of myconservative values.
I get it, it doesn't scare me.
It doesn't scare me, it doesn'toffend me.
(09:23):
I just don't get it.
I don't understand why therewas how do we say it politically
correct?
I don't want to offend anybody.
There were men dressed asfemales parading around, pushed
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a little bit of a narrative.
That may have been pushed andit outraged a lot of Christians
around the world.
And I can understand why,because there weren't any
Christian motives kind of pushedthroughout at all.
So I don't know.
And people would have beenoffended if their Christianity
was pushed.
And that's what I always hearout, even in the real world.
Hey, you do whatever you wantto.
If you want to be religious, ifyou want to be a Christian,
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that's fine, just don't push iton me.
And if you want to be gay, ifyou want to be homosexual,
that's fine, just don't push iton me and I don't know where
that.
I guess everybody has differentpushing boundaries.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, I think so, and I we talked about it probably
on the episode you're referringto, where I feel like there's
pride on both sides.
You see, the pride that'sobviously the name, that's kind
of tied to everything.
But I think there's pride oneach side and I personally feel,
at least from our side ofthings, saying from a Christian
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side of things I don't feel theneed to push Christianity and
I'm not saying that in a Freewill I feel like is free will
for a reason.
I feel like if we were meant tohave it forced upon us, then
God just wouldn't have given usthe option to choose him.
(11:01):
So I understand, from at leastmy point of view.
You know I'm not going to push,you know my beliefs on anyone
because ultimately it should beup to them to decide.
You know what happens withtheir souls or what they believe
in.
But again, on the flip side, Ifeel like that should be mutual,
like you shouldn't be forcingyou know your opinions and
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beliefs on others as well.
So there's no common ground.
I think that's the, that's theprobably the biggest struggle,
and the low-hanging fruit isthat there's there's no common
ground and there's not evenfolks willing to have those type
of conversations and I don'tknow what those conversations
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look like, but if you have likeother sins, like you can sit
down and easily talk to someonethat's struggling with
pornography.
You can talk to alcoholics anddrug addicts.
For some reason, folks aren'twanting to have a conversation
between Christians and the LGBTQcommunity.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
And Pierre and I have had this conversation and I
told him I think from and thisis just my opinion, but I think
from a Christian standpoint whythe church takes such a hard
stance on it is the churchbelieves it's wrong and when you
have somebody who is trying torecover from alcoholism or is
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trying not to watch pornography,they're trying to change their
ways.
So the church is receptive tothat.
But someone who is in thatcommunity isn't necessarily
trying to change their ways.
In the church's view, they'retrying to show why it should be
okay.
I don't have an opinion eitherway, to be completely honest
(12:50):
with you, but I think, if youlook at it rationally, I think
that's why the church has such ahard stance on it.
But I also believe that how canyou reach people if you're
shunning them Like?
I don't understand that.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I think there's a time and a place for everything.
Right.
And whenever you have such aworldwide stage as the Olympics,
if you, if you show things, youcan show things to either a
Bring people together right.
And what does this world maybeneed more now than ever is a
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bringing together of people.
If we're sitting here for thisconversation and we're like, oh,
this is a controversial topic,they did something controversial
, people are angry, people arefighting against each other, if
we know that and they were toput those kind of sheets of
paper and ideas for the openingceremonies in front of us and
(13:55):
said, hey look, we can kind ofshow people helping out people
or we can show a drag eventgoing on.
Which one do you think weshould show?
How do you think the people,the general population, will
react?
And I guarantee I would say,well, if you show the drag thing
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, it's going to divide people,and if you show people helping
out each other, it's going tomaybe unite people out each
other.
It's going to maybe unitepeople.
If we can see those things,then whoever's coming up with
those brainstorming ideas Ithink are intentionally trying
to do that to maybe just stir upthe crowd a little bit.
Again, just trying to stir themup like an ant's nest.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Doesn't that seem to be the way of the world these
days?
Like it's all about headlinesand dividing people.
And I mean Wes, I don't know,like when, when you were a kid,
and like even when we had apresidential election, and maybe
I was just naive to it but doyou remember such a fierceness
in people that were Republicansversus Democrats?
(15:05):
Like I don't remember that whenI was a kid, like I knew people
had different parties that they, you know, followed or whatever
, but like not to the extentthat it is these days.
Like it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I think every election whenever I was growing
up, it was like everybodyalready knew who was going to
win, because they were suchcharismatic people or whatever.
There wasn't a question aboutwho was going to win.
When Ronald Reagan was running,he was winning is what he was
going to do.
When George Bush was running,he was winning is what was going
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to end up happening.
I remember that and that's whatI really remember, and I can't
believe that it's as politicallydivided as it is right now.
Right down the middle of thecountry it feels like and I say
that not down the middle, butjust 50, 50, the races are just
so close.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yeah, I feel like that's kind of where earth
satan's stronghold is right now.
So you even mentioned like whatif they show like people
helping other people and um, Ithink of the super bow.
So there's a, there's an ad um,for he gets us and it's
actually based off of, you know,jesus understanding us, so he
(16:25):
gets his campaign, and it showeda bunch of different clips of
people washing each other's feetand the very last clip of this
commercial shows a priestWatching what appeared to be,
again, a homosexual foot and itwas uproar To me.
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That says it really doesn'tmatter potentially what the
story is if that community isinvolved.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I don't remember how I ran across this on what you
said, and if you don't feel likesharing it, then don't.
But you said something aboutyou had some personalized emails
or direct messages towards youabout things.
I would love to share that withthe audience.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Yeah, I've had a few.
So the main thing and I'll justsay one of them was definitely
within the LG community, anotherwas not, not necessarily a
Christian, but they're in aheterosexual marriage etc.
(17:37):
And what's even funnier.
So I'll tell you, both said thesame thing and it was about,
for one, jesus.
They said we don't hate Jesus.
We actually agree with most ofJesus' teachings.
What we hate is the behavior ofthe Christians and how they
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behave towards others.
And I kid you not, I got thesewithin the last few weeks.
The last one came Sunday,sunday morning.
I have a men's group at mychurch that my pastor actually
leads on Monday mornings and hewas just down I think it's the
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Georgia area, the Church of theHighlands, and one of his
mentors is John Maxwell, whowrites a lot of books.
And he said again I hadn'ttalked to him at all.
He said that when he wassitting with John Maxwell.
He said the problem that hehears when he's going to
different businesses, becauseJohn's kind of transitioned to
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really, you know, mentoringbusinesses and trying to lead,
you know, business people to theLord.
Most of them say they don'thate Jesus or his teachings,
they hate the behaviors ofChristians.
And I sat there like you gottabe kidding me.
He did not just say that out ofhis mouth, and I actually sent
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him a private message, my pastorafter I got home screenshots of
those people saying the exactsame thing just days ago.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
That he said John Maxwell told him while he was
just down at the Highlands overthe weekend.
Yeah, that is trippy and Ithink all right.
So here we're all cut out of adifferent cloth, right.
We all have differentbackgrounds.
We all have different talents.
We all have different abilities.
Some speak out a little bit,maybe more boldly than other
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people speak out, but I think itgoes back to what Paul says
about the uses of liberty.
And look, I'm not saying I'mthe greatest at it.
I may need to practice moreloving kindness myself in some
of the things that I say.
I don't know no-transcript.
Paul says about using histalents or speaking in tongues
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or anything like that.
He talked about it.
He said no matter what God hasblessed me with, no matter what
kind of talent God has given me,no matter what I am being led
by the Spirit to do, if I don'tdo it out of love, it's useless,
it profits nobody, anything.
If I speak in a million tonguesbut I don't do it in love, it
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doesn't mean a thing, not a hill, nothing.
And so I think that's what wecould all kind of look at Not
only Christians, okay, not justChristians.
The other side too, whateverside you fall on, I don't want
to judge anybody.
I don't want to put a label onsomebody, but everybody needs to
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watch how they direct theirmessage.
Is it being said out of love?
Are you trying to win a debate?
Are you trying to win a fight?
Are you trying to make yourpoint louder and bolder than the
other person is by belittlingthem somehow?
Or are you trying to do it outof love, to teach somebody
something Like with me?
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Okay, let's say I was offendedby all the opening ceremonies of
the Olympics.
Well, are you going to call mea bigot and a racist because I
don't accept that?
Or are you going to try andtell me why I should accept it
by saying it out of love andteaching me something?
There's?
You could do it on both sides,right?
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A Christian could say itlovingly, and so could somebody
who's not a Christian.
They could say those thingslovingly as well.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Right, absolutely, and so so what the what?
The scripture that's beingquoted was Galatians 6-7,.
What does that say?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
You want me to say it Off the top of my head?
Hold on, I've got to open up mybag of chips.
Let me open up the bag of chipsI have here.
Pierre In code for the FindingFaith in Losing Sleep podcast.
That means I'm turning my Biblepages, that's what he?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
says I got it I got it right here.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I know how to flip my Bible.
If we're having a Bible race,I'm right there at it right now.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
So what's the verse that a lot of people have been
plastering over social media?
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I don't know.
You said 611, Galatians 611,right, I said 6-7.
6-7.
Oh, 6-7.
You want me to read it in Greekor you want me to read it in
Aramaic?
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Read it in a way that the listeners will be able to
understand what the actual verseis.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Okay, well then I will read it hard like I live.
Okay, Do not be deceived.
God is not mocked, For whatevera man sows, he will also reap.
How about that?
There it is, God is not mocked.
Yeah, that's what—you're right.
I have seen that.
They have the little picture ofthe Lord's Supper and then they
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have the picture of whathappened at the opening ceremony
.
God is not mocked.
They don't have that.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
What bothers me is that I see this everywhere, from
people that I never seeversions from.
I see it from people that maybehave their own I know some of
them have their owntransgressions.
I see it from folks that maybehave their own that I know some
of them have their owntransgressions.
I see it from folks that havefriends and family that have
their transgressions, butthey're never calling out
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anything else.
Why is that?
Why is this the?
Why is this the fight they wantto fight and why was that verse
specifically?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
He's asking you, Michelle.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I think he'd have to ask them.
Wes.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
And again I mean, who knows the meaning behind it?
You look at the actual Olympicaccount.
They claimed.
They came out and stated youknow it was not meant to be
about the Last Supper.
It tied into, you know, someGreek and some French history,
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which would make sense if it wasin France.
Some people don't believe that.
They're like no, you're a liar.
Okay, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
You're a liar.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
And so, michelle, we had a debate earlier actually.
So, michelle, what was yourthoughts on that?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
with it what the Last Supper and how it would is
basically a similarity.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Oh, I thought that the little bit of social media
that I had seen around it.
I thought that they, that theOlympic Committee, had come out
and said that it was it had todo with a famous like painting
and it wasn't related to thelast supper, so to speak.
But then I thought I sawsomething also that said that
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that painting in general was inreference to the last supper.
So then it kind of still wouldbe a mockery, but I don't know
that to be fact.
It very well could have been mewhile I was sleepy reading,
seeing something.
So I'm not sure, but I will sayreally quickly, like based on
you know, pierre, asking whythis is something that people,
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why this is what they choose toput out there and take a stand
on, I guess I feel like why, whyis it with anything Like?
What is it that makes youdetermine like this is the thing
I'm going to take a stand on?
That, you know, could bepotentially controversial, not
just this, but anything likeI've.
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I've almost gotten to the pointwhere I don't post much at all
anymore, um, unless it happensto be something that I want to
show up in my memories for yearslater.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
But the Packers beating the bears.
Huh, the Packers beating thebears.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I'm sure I will get one of those especially if they
beat the Vikings Like I'll takethat one for sure.
What do you?
I mean, what do you have to?
Speaker 3 (26:11):
say about that?
I mean, I think I think mostposts, regardless, have a have a
purpose behind them.
So people post things in hopesthat someone sees them.
Like I don't think anyone postsanything saying you know what,
I hope no one's paying attentionto what I'm getting ready to
put out here.
You know what?
I hope no one sees what I'mtaking my time to type out here.
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And so again, my struggles arelike if you know your intentions
are to get attention, I feellike there's better ways to go
about it.
We just read that verse.
Wes Read me the verse aboutdefending Christianity.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Give me a clue when am I going.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
The verse about defending Christianity.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Read it.
Maybe, like our Christian faith, you want that verse.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Christian faith, about defending Christianity
itself.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I don't know, you stumped me.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yeah, it doesn't exist.
Oh, there's nothing within redletters of the Bible about
defending Christianity.
It does say defend your ownfaith.
It does say take care of thewidows and the poor.
Love your neighbors as yourself.
Love God above all things.
It doesn't say anything aboutdefending Christianity, the
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religion, people doing it.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Well, okay, so playing advocate here, you're
saying why do people choose todo that and type stuff up and
put it out there?
And obviously nobody does that.
I mean, I maybe do it.
There's not always somethingthat I want people to see.
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It's sometimes just for me likeso it shows up in my memories,
but like I couldn't.
We also say like if we'rejudging people for putting stuff
out there, like we're, we'rebeing judgmental too.
Like if that's what they choseto do, that's what they chose to
do I, I get it because it'sfrustrating, but again, it's
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free will.
Like it's not up to us to judgethat.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
That's absolutely correct.
I'm not, I'm not even sittinghere saying I'm judging.
I'm saying I'm trying tounderstand the thought process
Sure Around that I get it.
So you know, you see that inthe open ceremonies you go.
You want to make a point, youwant to post your opinion,
that's great.
But at the same time you knowyou may have a family member
(29:05):
struggling with alcohol that younever talked to.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I think we all have our downfalls.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
We do and that's just the point.
And I think part of the I don'tlike the way Christians behave
ties into that.
We're always quick to point thefinger at the folks that we
don't agree with, but we don'tdo it at ourselves.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
It's easier to post something in five seconds than
it is to talk to that personover the phone or in
face-to-face that's strugglingwith something.
Okay, I got three things.
I've been quiet for a minute.
Yeah, I got three things.
I've been quiet for a minute.
Yeah, I got three things Ready.
Go ahead.
Number one that picture, thatpainting, that portrait of the
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Lord's Supper.
Yes, that was a work of art.
Yeah, it was not a divinesacrament.
They can redo those things allthey want in different ways.
If I'm not mistaken, there'sbeen movies, television shows
where they kind of do the samekind of scene, you know, with
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people around a table andthey're recreating somewhat of a
Lord's Supper theme.
All right, and that's what theopening ceremonies did.
Once again, I think there's atime and a place for it, and I
and I it's.
It's.
It's not even to me that theydid that.
I don't.
It's just that somebodysomewhere said hey, this is a
(30:39):
good idea, this, this will causecontroversy, this will stir up
chaos, let's's do this.
Why would they do that?
That's the part I don'tunderstand.
Not that scene.
You could do that scene all youwant, but on a worldwide stage,
all you're doing is trying tostir up trouble.
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Respect non-christians.
Non-christians, respectchristians.
Amen.
How about that?
I made it simple amen.
I'm gonna go write that onevery bathroom wall across
america.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
That is my life goal yeah, that's a lot better than a
random phone number right wellI'll put a message and then
write and that's the phonenumber.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Put your phone number .
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Hey, I know you can record a message and then write
and that's the phone number,right the phone number, and
that's what it says when theycall Number three.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Back to your Bible verse thing, pierre.
I went.
It took me a second to go.
Okay, what verse is that?
Oh, I know what verse it is.
I flipped my Bible open right,opened up my new bag of chips
and I had thrown up.
I had thrown a pin in my Bibleto bring along with me, because
sometimes I have to write downlittle notes to bring us back to
a topic that we're talkingabout and my pin was thrown
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right there in that same chapter, right next to that verse.
Of course there's.
You know, if you throw a pin ina Bible it's right next to all
the verses, really.
But first peter, first peter,chapter 3, verse 15.
But sanctify christ as lord inyour hearts, always being ready
to make a defense for everyonewho is asked to give an account
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for the hope that is in you.
Yet with gentleness andreverence you know gentleness
and reverence.
Uh, you know gentleness andreverence, thinking about those
people that you're talking to,being mindful of how you're
saying your words, but, yes,always being able to make a
defense.
That doesn't mean condemningpeople to hell.
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That means explaining why youbelieve what you believe and,
just like we've said in pastepisodes more times than not,
it's going to be living a lifeto lead others to the same kind
of lifestyle that you're living,that leads people to Christ,
that leads people to heaven.
It's more about your deeds,more than it is about your words
(33:07):
, but sometimes, like on yoursocial media accounts or
whatever.
My I'm guilty, I'm guilty, I'mpointing my finger right at me.
I look, I I am pointing fourfingers at me and one finger at
you.
All right, that's what's goingon right now.
Then, not you, necessarily,pierre or michelle, just I mean
in general audience.
Okay, yes, and, and you knowthe those deeds are put under
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that magnifying glass and it'sit.
It helps divide things, justlike the olympics are.
Hey, let's go on to anothertopic.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Okay, we, we've beat the sequestrian event to death,
all right well I think I thinkit's important to to say, like
it's not just politics, likepeople use social media for all
kinds of things like, even liketo like.
I use it.
I like to use it, like I said,for like my memories and to help
(34:03):
remember things and things thatare past.
But it can be used for good, itcan be used for bad and
everything in between Right andlike.
Even like passive, aggressivestuff that you post on there
that you want other people tosee, or like just whatever it
might be.
Like Pierre said, you put stuffout there cause you want people
(34:24):
to see it.
So I think we all need to have agut check and a heart check and
say what am I really puttingout there for people Like, is
this a true representation of me?
Or am I trying to put on a showor to get people to like me or
to see things my way?
(34:44):
Like what is my true intention?
And I think that's reallyimportant.
I think that is an importantpoint that he brought up and I
just I don't know.
I felt like I needed to saythat.
I don't know why, but like Ijust think it's important for
all of us to say is this reallyhelping?
Is it really important, likewhat, what's my?
(35:05):
And maybe I think we don'tthink that enough when we do it,
and yeah, All right, no goodpoint, good point.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
That wrapped everything up there.
On that, Pierre, we talked, andthat may have been 400 days ago
that we last talked about whatwe're going to do this.
What were we talking aboutdoing as far as the news
headlines way back when?
Maybe we can remember some ofthose things, do you remember?
Speaker 3 (35:37):
There's a lot of things taking place.
I know one of the politicsstuff was obviously the Trump
shooting ordeal.
We had the Caitlin Clark andhow kind of that's been playing
out with her and Angel Reese, aswell as the Ridgewood with
Reggie Jackson and just kind ofsome of the past that he had
(36:00):
talked about coming up inbaseball as well.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah, where the baseball game was played in
Birmingham, Alabama, like theoldest ball field or something
like that.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Um.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I think, and so they had a uh, just a game there.
And then Reggie Jackson got onFox during the I don't know if
it was before the game or but Ithink it was before the game and
he just talked about what itwas like for an African-American
to play baseball during thattime and when really they were
being belittled and and being Idon't know what would you say,
(36:35):
pierre, where they were.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Well, I guess, racist people being racist.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah, I guess that's what it was.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Ultimately, and I even had someone, so I had made
a comment that is basicallycrazy to think about something
like that taking place.
Obviously, I'm Black,african-american, whatever you
want to call me, but I didn'tlive back in those times.
I had family members that did,but I wasn't there.
(37:03):
I was blessed that the Lordappointed me in my point in time
.
After you know, the main likeit's still here, but after the
brutalness that took place andall that hate being shown.
And so I made a comment similarto that and I got one response
and it was basically saying youknow, black culture is the worst
(37:26):
culture in history.
It's been proven and somethingshould be done about it,
essentially.
And I was like well, clearly wehaven't come as far as we hope
we've come.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
If that's the thought process that some people are
still having, and it goes backto the tying it all in.
I think at that time it wasCaitlin Clark, angel Reese, I
think, caitlin Clark being leftoff the Olympic squad too, and
just those all those things kindof were all tying into it.
(38:05):
Once again, if it isn'tpolitics, if it isn't religion,
it's going to be skin colorthat's going to divide us as a
nation, right?
Whatever is being pushed in themainstream media, we don't need
to fall for that stuff.
We need to be kind to ourneighbor, we need to love our
neighbor as ourself.
We need to just take up thatOlympic torch the kindness torch
is what we could say and justcarry out that stuff.
(38:27):
But boy, it seems like thosenarratives are just pushed down
our throat all the time.
I guess attention needs to bedrawn to it, because if
attention wasn't ever drawn toracism during Reggie Jackson's
days, then it would never havechanged, right?
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I think you can.
I think that happens overhistory.
I don't know.
I feel like and again, thiscould be one of Satan's best
weapons.
It's probably division, becauseover history you have Blacks
fighting for their rights, youhave women fighting for their
rights.
(39:07):
I think right now could evensay like your pride communities
kind of fighting for what theyfeel are their rights.
Different spectrums maybe, butit's the same ordeal where
history kind of repeats itself,just with a different group, you
know, trying to find equalitywithin a world in which God says
(39:28):
we're all knit togetherperfectly In our mother's womb,
we're all made the same, we allbleed the same.
Yet folks have a really hardtime grasping that.
Right now.
The media, the world, kind ofthrives off of it and, like we
(39:49):
mentioned, the Kaitlyn Clarkstuff, kaitlyn Clark's amazing.
She's an amazing basketballplayer.
The way she's handled herselfis awesome.
On the flip side, angel Reese,she says some things that I
think she's kind of baited intowith some of the ways they
(40:12):
question her.
But she also has said a lot ofpositive things about Kaitlyn
Clark that you don't hear about.
That gets cut out of theinterviews, especially with the
All-Star.
They were on the same team.
There were a lot of things thatAngel Reese was pumping up,
glad to play with kate and can'twait to get a pass from her.
You don't hear it.
(40:33):
All you hear is the thenegative that maybe comes out,
or maybe that wasn't even meantto be negative, that's twisted
to be negative, and even from acaitlin clark quote, like I
found one where I knew the guyat the Athletic from Twitter and
just our interactions thatactually got the quote from
(40:54):
Caitlyn Clark on you know AngelReese and the Athletic, his own
company.
I took a snippet of what shesaid and like made it look like
you know she was firing back,which was not the case at all.
Like made it look like you knowshe was firing back, which was
not the case at all.
And so we we really got to becareful.
What we believe.
Well, especially like on theinternet, on television, I don't
(41:17):
think people truly realize youknow how much things are
manipulated to to change ouropinions, to form our opinions.
I mean the political stuff wetalked about.
I know we're getting out ofpolitics, but it's insane.
You know the divide betweenDemocrats and Republicans, who
(41:37):
all should really be workingtogether to make sure we're
united, but instead they'retrying to keep the power to
themselves.
I don't know, it's hard toovercome it when those with the
money and finances are workingso hard to divide those middle
class below.
(41:58):
I think that was kind of one ofhis main points of coming.
He came for the poor.
He came for the sick.
He came for the poor, you know.
He came for the sick.
He came for the sinners.
Like folks are getting mad at,you know, with the Olympic stuff
you could argue that the peoplethat he would be sitting with
trying to trying to help arethose people at that table.
(42:19):
So I don't know, it's, it's atough tough situation, maybe.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Maybe I said you could argue.
I didn't say it was the fact.
No, no, and I get that.
I understand he helped out somany different people in so many
different ways.
It seems like he helped outpeople that weren't able to help
themselves first and foremostright, but he wasn't afraid to
call somebody a sinner that wasa sinner Now, but they were
(42:46):
openly sinning and they weresupposed to be the religious
leaders at the time too.
You know what I mean Like.
So it's one of those things thatI've been trying to think about
in my head.
Did he call out the religiousleaders that were sinning but
yet he helped out sinners whodidn't know any better, but he
(43:08):
didn't call them out necessarily.
You know what I mean.
Like he didn't publicly shamethe sinners, he publicly shamed
the and this is all thoughts,okay, this is thoughts you can
finding faith, losing sleep.
Leave a comment, tell me whereI'm right, tell me where I'm
wrong.
Help me think about thesethings out loud.
I would love to hear from you.
He called out the religiousleaders who were openly sinning,
(43:30):
leading people into sinthemselves to some degree,
because they were supposed to bethe religious leaders, the
perfect people, and so he wouldcall them the snakes in the
grass or he would call themwhitewashed tombs or whatever,
but the sinners he didn'tnecessarily call them out.
He said, hey, you don't need tosin anymore, but he helped show
(43:51):
them.
I was trying to go through mymemory banks and go through
there.
I need to just go ahead and doa whole Matthew Mark Luchon
study throughout all that.
I just need to do that rightthere.
Can I get weird for a minute?
Speaker 3 (44:07):
I mean you've done it before.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
So I don't know if you've have either one of you
ever heard of David Icke before.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
No.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Okay, this is where all pastors have to close their
ears, including mine.
Anybody from mine, just closeyour ears, because I'm not
saying I believe in this at all.
All right, david Icke is aphilosopher.
I don't know where he got thisinformation.
I have yet to get the DavidIcke book and read it.
(44:38):
Ok, I have heard about it and Ithink I've heard somebody who
read it and kind of did a reviewof it, right, somebody who read
it and kind of did a um, areview of it, right, but he's
he's.
He was alex jones before alexjones, david ike, kind of a
thing, right.
And then with david ike, though, what he said was and I don't
(44:59):
know how he came to thisconclusion the anunnaki.
Have you guys ever heard ofanunnaki?
Speaker 3 (45:06):
I have.
Some of my rabbit hoes have ledme down that path.
Yes, I'm aware.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Michelle?
What about Michelle?
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Not aware I haven't got.
She thinks a lot differentlythan I think and if I got
introduced to her we wouldn't goto bed for a day understood
you'd just be her mind runningwild, so that she's not
introduced anyway.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
His, his, if I have this right, and I don't know
that I even am representing whatdavid ike says, correct, but he
, um, he, he, he thinks theworld was created by Anunnaki,
which are essentially lizardpeople.
Lizard people, and there werethree lizard people, if I
understand that, right, like alittle family, a little triunion
kind of a thing going on, andone was good and a couple of
(45:57):
them were bad.
And what they feed off of, whatthey feed off of, is our
negativity.
What they feed off of is ournegativity, and that they are
still in control of all thistoday, like they are pulling
strings from wherever they'repulling strings from.
They are pulling strings tocreate this kind of atmosphere
(46:25):
that we are living in now.
Even more, they have all thepieces in place to be able to
cause all this dissension, to beable to cause all this anger,
to be able to cause all thisdisruption, and I say they feed
off of it.
Their energy is producedthrough our negative energies
and our hatred for one another.
And I say that just to saythere are theories out there of
why all this happens.
(46:46):
Because it's not, it's notexplainable.
Right, and Pierre, you'vealluded to Satan having that
stronghold.
Well, that's Satan is kind ofrepresented from a dragon, which
you could say artsy kind ofthings and say those kind of
stuff.
So I'm not saying it's valid atall.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
I'm just saying there's thoughts out there of
why this happens.
My version is that lizardpeople.
Just isn't how it comes out.
So the rabbit hole I went downwas more of like an alien-type
god lowercase g obviously, butalien gods that basically
control the world ultimate goodone and created Earth itself to
(47:38):
kind of create mankind and causethe havoc that they couldn't
cause in some of the othergalaxies.
But yeah it's interesting, butit's far-fetched.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
It seems fictitious.
It seems fictitious Until Iwent back to Genesis and I'm
like, oh, you had that Satanrepresented like a snake talking
.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Oh, I was like, oh, no, but hey, you know what I've
been sitting here thinking like,as we're doing, as we're
talking through all this is, youknow, technology has brought us
a long way.
Like we couldn't have done thispodcast years ago because we
didn't have the technology forit right, Like in different
location and to put it out thereand and that sort of thing.
(48:32):
But as great as technology is,I feel like it's also been a
downfall for our world, like tohave so many things readily
available and opinions out thereand cause dissent and, you know
, hurt feelings and all of thatsort of thing.
(48:52):
Like it's sad, it's really sadand I don't think there's any
coming back from that,unfortunately, like only through
God.
I pray that like we find thatway, but I think the the more we
have things open and you know,now you can create videos of
(49:16):
people that had actually neverhappened with AI, and like just
all of that stuff.
It's super scary and sometimes,as a parent, for me, like it
freaks me out to think like the,the challenges that my daughter
is going to have in this world,like not knowing if you know
when she thinks she's talking toher friend online that maybe
she's not, and like just all ofthose kinds of things are are
scary, and I think that's wherewe truly have to give it to God
(49:40):
and just trust that it's goingto happen the way he wants it to
.
And we have to, you know, giveit to him and and we have to do
our part to protect our children, and you know our world, but
ultimately it's up to him toknow that.
But man, it's scary.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
I got a.
You guys um, somebody is tryingto chime in to our podcast here
.
If you hold on a second, Okay,you ready.
Okay, uh, it's a guy named Paul, all right.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
You ready?
Okay, it's a guy named.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
Paul.
All right, he says.
Concerning things sacrificed toidols, we know that we have all
knowledge.
Knowledge makes arrogant, butlove edifies If anyone supposes
that he knows anything he hasnot yet known as he ought to
know.
If anyone loves God, he isknown by him.
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Therefore, concerning theeating of things sacrificed to
idols, we know that there is nosuch thing as an idol in the
world and there is no God butone.
For even if there are so-calledgods, whether in heaven or on
earth, as indeed there are manygods and many lords, yet for us
there is but one, god, theFather, from whom are all things
and we exist for him, and one,lord, jesus Christ, by whom are
(50:51):
all things and we exist throughhim.
However, not all men have thisknowledge, but some, being
accustomed to the idol until now, eat food as if it were
sacrificed to an idol.
Now look, we could say thatidol.
We can replace it with theopening Olympics theme, like we
were talking about right.
Or we can put alcohol in there,pierre, we could put
(51:15):
fornication in there, we couldput all those things in there.
Whatever that idol is.
An idol is just somethingthat's between you and God,
right, between you and God.
However, not all men have thisknowledge, but some, being
accustomed to the idols in theirlife until now, eat food as if
it were sacrificed to an idoland their conscience, being weak
(51:35):
, is defiled.
But food isn't going to commendus to God.
We are neither the worst if wedo eat it nor the better if we
don't eat it.
But take care lest the libertyof yours somehow becomes a
stumbling block to the weak.
For if someone sees you, whohave knowledge, dining in an
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idol's temple, will not hisconscience, if he is weak, be
strengthened to eat thingssacrificed to an idol?
For through your knowledge, hewho is weak is ruined the
brother for whose sake Christdied, and thus, by sinning
against the brethren andwounding their conscience when
it is weak, you sin againstChrist.
(52:17):
Therefore, if food causes mybrother to stumble, I will never
eat meat again.
That I might not cause mybrother to stumble.
Paul's whole point there in 1Corinthians 8,.
In a Greek environment, in aGreek church, in a metropolitan
(52:43):
area where people are coming andgoing from all over places,
where around the world.
It is going here to this areain Corinth, and Corinth is being
influenced by all thesedifferent kind of cultures.
Paul knows that there are somany people that sacrifice
(53:04):
animals to different kinds ofgods and then they eat the
barbecue.
Essentially, they eat barbecue.
But Paul says, sometimes whenyou eat sacrifices barbecue made
to false gods, you are causingsomeone to stumble that sees you
eating that kind of barbecue.
(53:25):
You pull up to a barbecue jointand's and it's a a Goliath's
Goliath's barbecue.
They're like oh, you can't, youcan't eat there because they're
sacrificing to the God Goliath.
But but, man, they got somegood sauce, man, you know, and
there's no such God as Goliath,so it doesn't matter if we eat
it or not.
It doesn't matter, we can eatit all we want.
(53:58):
Let's just enjoy the barbecuesauce, baby.
But you got that one person whogoes no, I used to sacrifice
animals to Goliath and I used toeat that barbecue and I did it
out of respect to Goliath and Ican't eat there because I'm just
afraid that I'm going to goback in that door.
I think life might be real, Idon't know.
And I can't eat that barbecue.
Man, you're crazy.
I'm eating that barbecue.
It's got good sauce.
You caused that brother tostumble, right?
Speaker 3 (54:21):
I think that's the main piece.
Is the causing to stumble.
I mean I can speak for somejust because I lost my mom to
alcohol.
It was a battle Great woman inand out of rehab.
She honestly would do reallywell initially out of rehab.
Where she would always stumbleis when she got around friends
(54:48):
or family that were drinking andit starts maybe you know, one
sip, one, this and all of asudden you know she's back full
force and so I think that'swhere that comes from.
You got folks that are battlingaddictions, battling demons, and
(55:12):
we're called to make our ownsacrifices, not just for our
sake but for their sake.
So even if you know you may notbe an alcoholic, you might be
able to have one glass of wineand be perfectly fine and stop
right there.
But if you pull that out infront of someone who struggles
(55:36):
and they don't have, you know,that type of control over it,
that's where the issue is andyou know, depending on what
church or what issue you have,some folks you know say you know
no drinking, no alcohol at all.
On the flip side, you can sayyou know Jesus turned water in
the wine when the whole partywas already, you know, kind of
(55:56):
feeling good.
But the issue is that you can'tcause your neighbor, your
brother, your sister to kind offall back into their own trap,
and I think that's where Paulwas getting at with that
statement.
Kind of similar, so not exactlythe same.
(56:17):
I know you got your Bible there.
Can you go to 1 John, chapter 3, 10 for me?
Speaker 1 (56:26):
1 John, chapter 3.
I had my Bible.
I put it down.
Mr Wilson, I'm flipping.
I'm in the exposés here in theback.
I'm in 1 Peter.
I'm in Revelation.
Let me head to the left alittle bit, is that okay?
1 John 3, what?
3.10.
Look, I'm pretty good with myBible, flipping Bible.
Speaker 3 (56:45):
I never went through that.
I think this is important, bothin kind of what we discussed
earlier, how we react, how wepost things, you know kind of
our thought process around it.
I think this verse kind of tiesus together here on the
Christian side of things forsure.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
By this, the children of God and the children of the
devil are obvious.
Anyone who does not practicerighteousness is not of God, nor
the one who does not love hisbrother.
Speaker 3 (57:26):
Sometimes that's not what we're thinking, it's not.
Oh, how holy are I, are thouand you know, walking with our
chin up, nose up.
Sometimes it's just, you know,doing the next right thing
towards our brothers and sistersthose that we agree with those
that we don't agree with, andsisters, those that we agree
(57:48):
with those that we don't agreewith, and them truly being able
to see how we react and ourbehavior, I think, can change
the opinion of so many.
Speaker 1 (57:57):
Let me say this Not only ours, pierre.
Whoever ours is, whoever oursis, whoever ours is whoever is
ours whoever ours is ours.
But also there's two yeah,there may be people who don't
agree with me that tune intothis podcast.
(58:18):
So it's not just me.
I'm holding myself accountableand I'm encouraging others to
hold themselves accountable.
I'm encouraging others to whomight be Christian, to walk that
side with loving kindness.
But here's my point the otherside has to do it too.
But just because they don'tdoesn't mean we can't, Right?
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Right.
I was always taught like you'rea product of your environment.
So I think we all need to becognizant of what environment
we're creating, not just forourselves, but for others.
Speaker 1 (58:50):
I told you all I was raised in a mess.
That's why I'm a mess.
All right, I do have a topicfor next time.
All right, it's the end of thepodcast here.
I want to encourage everybodyto write in, leave a review if
you can, not for our sake, butjust to be able to hear from you
, I guess.
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It is for our sake.
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We don't charge anything forthe show.
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We don't do anything like that.
We've had opportunities to dothose things but we don't do it.
Why?
Because the show's for you andthe show is for God and we just
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It'll take care of itself, butwe want to hear from you because
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leave us.
Oh, that's what we should do,can I?
Can I do my voices reading themessages, pierre, you're?
Speaker 3 (59:39):
the producer.
That's not insane we did.
It can be really entertaining,though we have a new cartoon
channel.
Speaker 1 (59:42):
All I have is an over the air antenna Right and there
have a new cartoon channel.
All I have is an over-the-airantenna right and there's a new
cartoon channel and it's all theold cartoons that I grew up
with and I'm watching thesethings and my teenager's like
that's where all your voicescome from.
I'm like oh yeah it is.
There's so many differentcartoon voices that I just have
imitated throughout the years.
Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
That's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
A lot of the best cartoons don't have voices.
You look like Tom and Jerry andit's a lot of silence.
Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
But anyways.
Anyway, I want to read people'smessages and cartoon voices,
but I want to encourage peopleto do that.
But the topic next time, unlesssomebody writes in and tells us
otherwise.
I had a text message fromsomebody that said I wish you
would do Ephesians.
So how about that?
Can we maybe as a group as awhole, as a Finding Faith,
(01:00:32):
losing Sleep podcast family,just we'll all maybe take
Ephesians under our wings and inour belt and in our Bible
readings and the next time wecome together we'll kind of do
an overview of the book ofEphesians.
We'll be looking for themes andwe'll look for key verses,
maybe key passages, just thosekind of things, and see what the
theme of Ephesians is.
(01:00:54):
Okay, sounds like a plan.
Okay, all right, We'll do thatthen.
I appreciate everybodylistening to this podcast.
Anything we can do for you, youlet us know and we'll be
praying for you as you pray forus.
it's time to wake up and pray up.
I said I said.
I said wake up and pray up hereon the finding faith and losing
sleep podcast.
Uh, great to have you with usagain for another episode,
episode pierre.
Is this episode 22?
Speaker 3 (00:19):
we're beyond that.
Like it's.
It's been a while since werecord it, but we are.
We're getting ready to hitanother milestone.
We're pushing the 3-0.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Are milestones, kind of like gallstones.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I think they're a little less painful.
Yeah, man, we're getting to 30.
I know that's a tough age whenit comes to humans.
People start to enter in.
I'm getting old for some, somereason at 30, when 30s are
actually pretty good, sohopefully our 30s, when it comes
to episodes, are also prettygood.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Michelle, michelle's Pierre's wife, pierre, is, of
course, one of the hosts here onthis podcast.
Michelle is another host andit's his wife, and I am a host
Wes Easley, over here on thisFinding Faith in Losing Sleep
podcast.
Michelle, did you ever hearthat joke where people talk
about like I made it to 30, andthen I hit 40s and then I'm
pushing 50?
You know?
Kind of a joke.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I have not, but it makes sense.
I feel like I'm pushing 50 forsure and it's going to like push
me along hopefully.
I don't know, it's a struggle,for sure I'm not there yet, but
I'm going to be close On thisepisode of Finding Faith and
Losing Sleep.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
By the way, I've gone back and I've listened to some
past episodes in between thetimes that we've talked about
different things and differenttopics and it was relevant.
And, Pierre, we've got so manythings to talk about this
episode.
I know it doesn't seem like wewill talk about a lot of stuff,
but I think we will.
Somebody sent me a DM over onTwitter and, Pierre, you can
(01:56):
give all the Twitter handles andemail addresses and everything
like that.
Encourage people to get intouch with us right now.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Findingfaith at FindingF at finding faith.
Pod over on twitter.
Slash x.
Whatever you're calling thisday, still twitter for me.
Email finding faith dot losingsleep at gmailcom.
I'm peewee 31.
Michelle is go pack, go 411 andyou are loafing it like the
bread loaf to reach out to wes,that's right.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
That's right at loafing it over there on twitter
, uh.
But somebody dm'd me and I hadsent them one of the past
episodes of ours I think episode16, where we talked about some
controversial stuff which, bythe way, kind of makes headlines
today because of the Olympicstuff that went on at the
opening ceremonies that went on,and so that was where that DM
kind of came from and talkedabout things.
(02:41):
But the listening back to thoseepisodes, I don't know that we
ever finished talking aboutGenesis.
We kind of got derailed off ofGenesis a little bit.
So if we ever are hurting forcontent, we can just kind of go
back to Genesis and talk aboutsome of those things.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
We could.
We recently went to theCreation Museum as well as the,
the ark encounter.
Um, which kind of ties in a lotof genesis actually.
So I don't know if I'm moreknowledgeable on the, the
subject or the, the bible bookor version, but it was a lot of
(03:20):
genesis tied into it.
They try to give us some moreexplanations on, you know just
how creation came to be?
Uh, obviously, how the, the arkand the flood you know took
place and things along thoselines.
That was really cool didbethuselah.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Scare you, michelle no, but I could see how it could
oh yeah, creep me out.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Man bethuselah creeped me out there in the
corner all by himself and thenhe started talking to me.
It's a bunch of them,animatronic kind of things,
those robots, and they'retalking to you like in Showbiz
Pizza whenever you were a kid.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
It just creeped me out, man.
I was terrified of those atShowbiz, but I was good Adult.
Me was perfectly fine.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Yeah, that was pretty cool.
Cincinnati that was a nicelittle place to visit myself.
I've been there.
Let's talk about that openingceremony.
Okay, A lot of people.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Six, seven.
That's what everyone's.
I don't want to say yapping.
I feel like yapping is thewrong term, but I don't know.
I have some opinions on that,just kind of popping up all over
the place.
But I'll let you continue.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
No, I don't even know what you're talking about and
as we talk about these kind ofheadlines that are in there,
michelle, you were talking alittle bit about this stuff
before the show and I told youto save it for the show, so I'd
like to hear a little bit moreabout how you don't know
anything going on in the news,don't know anything going on in
the news.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Well, okay, so we're getting a foreign exchange
student in a few days, so I'vebeen super busy trying to get
everything ready and like thehouse ready.
So, quite honestly, I didn'tsee the opening ceremonies.
I haven't really been on socialmedia a ton.
Most of what I've learned aboutit has been just brief
conversations with peers.
So I don't know that I'm goingto have a lot to say in this
episode, which is probably good,but I'm not up on current
(05:11):
events very much at the moment.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
We don't watch the news anyway.
Yeah, we choose not to.
I feel like it's mostlynegative.
If not, then they usually chimein and start off with something
negative and it just kind oftings me out too.
I know negative happens, but Ican interact with negative
without you know a newsbroadcast to tell me about the
negative.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I can find plenty on my own, that's for sure now I
see why you wanted to do thisepisode, pierre because you knew
michelle wouldn't have anythingto say for about an hour I
would never, I would, I wouldnever be that person I don't.
I don't watch a lot of newseither.
I get it from bits here andthere on the headlines that pop
up on my phone or where thealgorithm sends me things, or
(05:51):
something like that.
I tend to now believe that myopinions are made because of
what I do see, from the opinionson the news.
They feed you stuff and thus itmakes your opinions about how
you're reacting to the world orhow you're reacting to news
(06:12):
events that are going on.
And, by the way, the newsevents that I see if I go
outside, if I go anywhere, itfeels like the news events
aren't happening in my area andI have to question okay, is this
stuff just all being done inHollywood sets?
Is it really news going on, oris this all just stuff?
(06:35):
Because there's never any newsgoing on in my area, my neck of
the woods.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I feel like that was probably how a lot of folks got
through like history.
You think about like back inthe day, ancient times or even
years before you know yoursocial media, your televisions,
you were, you were only aware ofwhat was going on in your, your
little town.
You had no idea what was takingplace unless you went out and,
(07:04):
like, bought a newspaper orsomething.
And you know, maybe if yournewspaper had some you know
reporters or outreach to some ofthe outskirts of your city
within the same state, you mightget some of that.
But you weren't getting.
You know worldly news and eventhings throughout the country
you weren't getting.
So it'd be hard to kind of divein and have an opinion on stuff
(07:25):
that you had no idea was eventaking place in your life.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Well, not only that, but like even when I was a kid,
if we watched the news, it wasthe news.
Like now I feel like the newshas become political or trying
to drive home certain points andlike that kind of stuff, and
it's just, it's frustrating.
It's kind of like social media,like everybody has an agenda
(07:50):
and social media getsfrustrating with that too.
Like those algorithms are likeno joke.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
The old saying is whoever wins the war writes the
history, and so that's, that'ssomething as you elaborate to
the history point, pierre.
It's maybe our thoughts andopinions based on history are
just because of who won the war,which could very well be.
But back to the openingceremonies on the Olympics
(08:19):
stirred up a lot of controversyjust because of they're always
weird, you know what I mean.
Like the opening closingceremonies, they're always weird
, you know what I mean.
Like the opening closingceremonies, they're just always
kind of weird, and maybe I'mjust not artsy enough to
understand what's going on orcare to know what's going on.
I am one of those kind of guyswho gets bored walking through a
museum.
I'll be honest with you, I getbored.
I don't find a lot of pleasurein going to museums.
(08:41):
I don't know what it is aboutme that doesn't make that to
each their own.
Some people really like thatstuff, and so be it.
But they called it artsy, andI'm not sure what artsy is.
I had to ask my daughter,because my daughter, smart girl,
smart young lady I didn't pay alot of attention in school.
I guess I was too poor to payattention.
My daughter, though, she's verysmart, and I said, hey, hey,
(09:03):
look, that lady was like sittingthere talking with her head in
her hand in there.
Wasn't there a lot ofbeheadings in france?
And the daughter said, yeah.
I said, okay, that makes sense,I get that.
Um, and then you had, though,the, the, and I call it an
agenda.
Maybe it's because of myconservative values.
I get it, it doesn't scare me.
It doesn't scare me, it doesn'toffend me.
(09:23):
I just don't get it.
I don't understand why therewas how do we say it politically
correct?
I don't want to offend anybody.
There were men dressed asfemales parading around, pushed
(09:45):
a little bit of a narrative.
That may have been pushed andit outraged a lot of Christians
around the world.
And I can understand why,because there weren't any
Christian motives kind of pushedthroughout at all.
So I don't know.
And people would have beenoffended if their Christianity
was pushed.
And that's what I always hearout, even in the real world.
Hey, you do whatever you wantto.
If you want to be religious, ifyou want to be a Christian,
(10:08):
that's fine, just don't push iton me.
And if you want to be gay, ifyou want to be homosexual,
that's fine, just don't push iton me and I don't know where
that.
I guess everybody has differentpushing boundaries.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, I think so, and I we talked about it probably
on the episode you're referringto, where I feel like there's
pride on both sides.
You see, the pride that'sobviously the name, that's kind
of tied to everything.
But I think there's pride oneach side and I personally feel,
at least from our side ofthings, saying from a Christian
(10:39):
side of things I don't feel theneed to push Christianity and
I'm not saying that in a Freewill I feel like is free will
for a reason.
I feel like if we were meant tohave it forced upon us, then
God just wouldn't have given usthe option to choose him.
(11:01):
So I understand, from at leastmy point of view.
You know I'm not going to push,you know my beliefs on anyone
because ultimately it should beup to them to decide.
You know what happens withtheir souls or what they believe
in.
But again, on the flip side, Ifeel like that should be mutual,
like you shouldn't be forcingyou know your opinions and
(11:25):
beliefs on others as well.
So there's no common ground.
I think that's the, that's theprobably the biggest struggle,
and the low-hanging fruit isthat there's there's no common
ground and there's not evenfolks willing to have those type
of conversations and I don'tknow what those conversations
(11:46):
look like, but if you have likeother sins, like you can sit
down and easily talk to someonethat's struggling with
pornography.
You can talk to alcoholics anddrug addicts.
For some reason, folks aren'twanting to have a conversation
between Christians and the LGBTQcommunity.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
And Pierre and I have had this conversation and I
told him I think from and thisis just my opinion, but I think
from a Christian standpoint whythe church takes such a hard
stance on it is the churchbelieves it's wrong and when you
have somebody who is trying torecover from alcoholism or is
(12:29):
trying not to watch pornography,they're trying to change their
ways.
So the church is receptive tothat.
But someone who is in thatcommunity isn't necessarily
trying to change their ways.
In the church's view, they'retrying to show why it should be
okay.
I don't have an opinion eitherway, to be completely honest
(12:50):
with you, but I think, if youlook at it rationally, I think
that's why the church has such ahard stance on it.
But I also believe that how canyou reach people if you're
shunning them Like?
I don't understand that.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I think there's a time and a place for everything.
Right.
And whenever you have such aworldwide stage as the Olympics,
if you, if you show things, youcan show things to either a
Bring people together right.
And what does this world maybeneed more now than ever is a
(13:33):
bringing together of people.
If we're sitting here for thisconversation and we're like, oh,
this is a controversial topic,they did something controversial
, people are angry, people arefighting against each other, if
we know that and they were toput those kind of sheets of
paper and ideas for the openingceremonies in front of us and
(13:55):
said, hey look, we can kind ofshow people helping out people
or we can show a drag eventgoing on.
Which one do you think weshould show?
How do you think the people,the general population, will
react?
And I guarantee I would say,well, if you show the drag thing
(14:21):
, it's going to divide people,and if you show people helping
out each other, it's going tomaybe unite people out each
other.
It's going to maybe unitepeople.
If we can see those things,then whoever's coming up with
those brainstorming ideas Ithink are intentionally trying
to do that to maybe just stir upthe crowd a little bit.
Again, just trying to stir themup like an ant's nest.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Doesn't that seem to be the way of the world these
days?
Like it's all about headlinesand dividing people.
And I mean Wes, I don't know,like when, when you were a kid,
and like even when we had apresidential election, and maybe
I was just naive to it but doyou remember such a fierceness
in people that were Republicansversus Democrats?
(15:05):
Like I don't remember that whenI was a kid, like I knew people
had different parties that they, you know, followed or whatever
, but like not to the extentthat it is these days.
Like it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I think every election whenever I was growing
up, it was like everybodyalready knew who was going to
win, because they were suchcharismatic people or whatever.
There wasn't a question aboutwho was going to win.
When Ronald Reagan was running,he was winning is what he was
going to do.
When George Bush was running,he was winning is what was going
(15:41):
to end up happening.
I remember that and that's whatI really remember, and I can't
believe that it's as politicallydivided as it is right now.
Right down the middle of thecountry it feels like and I say
that not down the middle, butjust 50, 50, the races are just
so close.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yeah, I feel like that's kind of where earth
satan's stronghold is right now.
So you even mentioned like whatif they show like people
helping other people and um, Ithink of the super bow.
So there's a, there's an ad um,for he gets us and it's
actually based off of, you know,jesus understanding us, so he
(16:25):
gets his campaign, and it showeda bunch of different clips of
people washing each other's feetand the very last clip of this
commercial shows a priestWatching what appeared to be,
again, a homosexual foot and itwas uproar To me.
(16:48):
That says it really doesn'tmatter potentially what the
story is if that community isinvolved.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I don't remember how I ran across this on what you
said, and if you don't feel likesharing it, then don't.
But you said something aboutyou had some personalized emails
or direct messages towards youabout things.
I would love to share that withthe audience.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Yeah, I've had a few.
So the main thing and I'll justsay one of them was definitely
within the LG community, anotherwas not, not necessarily a
Christian, but they're in aheterosexual marriage etc.
(17:37):
And what's even funnier.
So I'll tell you, both said thesame thing and it was about,
for one, jesus.
They said we don't hate Jesus.
We actually agree with most ofJesus' teachings.
What we hate is the behavior ofthe Christians and how they
(18:02):
behave towards others.
And I kid you not, I got thesewithin the last few weeks.
The last one came Sunday,sunday morning.
I have a men's group at mychurch that my pastor actually
leads on Monday mornings and hewas just down I think it's the
(18:24):
Georgia area, the Church of theHighlands, and one of his
mentors is John Maxwell, whowrites a lot of books.
And he said again I hadn'ttalked to him at all.
He said that when he wassitting with John Maxwell.
He said the problem that hehears when he's going to
different businesses, becauseJohn's kind of transitioned to
(18:47):
really, you know, mentoringbusinesses and trying to lead,
you know, business people to theLord.
Most of them say they don'thate Jesus or his teachings,
they hate the behaviors ofChristians.
And I sat there like you gottabe kidding me.
He did not just say that out ofhis mouth, and I actually sent
(19:20):
him a private message, my pastorafter I got home screenshots of
those people saying the exactsame thing just days ago.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
That he said John Maxwell told him while he was
just down at the Highlands overthe weekend.
Yeah, that is trippy and Ithink all right.
So here we're all cut out of adifferent cloth, right.
We all have differentbackgrounds.
We all have different talents.
We all have different abilities.
Some speak out a little bit,maybe more boldly than other
(19:44):
people speak out, but I think itgoes back to what Paul says
about the uses of liberty.
And look, I'm not saying I'mthe greatest at it.
I may need to practice moreloving kindness myself in some
of the things that I say.
I don't know no-transcript.
Paul says about using histalents or speaking in tongues
(20:08):
or anything like that.
He talked about it.
He said no matter what God hasblessed me with, no matter what
kind of talent God has given me,no matter what I am being led
by the Spirit to do, if I don'tdo it out of love, it's useless,
it profits nobody, anything.
If I speak in a million tonguesbut I don't do it in love, it
(20:29):
doesn't mean a thing, not a hill, nothing.
And so I think that's what wecould all kind of look at Not
only Christians, okay, not justChristians.
The other side too, whateverside you fall on, I don't want
to judge anybody.
I don't want to put a label onsomebody, but everybody needs to
(20:50):
watch how they direct theirmessage.
Is it being said out of love?
Are you trying to win a debate?
Are you trying to win a fight?
Are you trying to make yourpoint louder and bolder than the
other person is by belittlingthem somehow?
Or are you trying to do it outof love, to teach somebody
something Like with me?
(21:12):
Okay, let's say I was offendedby all the opening ceremonies of
the Olympics.
Well, are you going to call mea bigot and a racist because I
don't accept that?
Or are you going to try andtell me why I should accept it
by saying it out of love andteaching me something?
There's?
You could do it on both sides,right?
(21:32):
A Christian could say itlovingly, and so could somebody
who's not a Christian.
They could say those thingslovingly as well.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Right, absolutely, and so so what the what?
The scripture that's beingquoted was Galatians 6-7,.
What does that say?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
You want me to say it Off the top of my head?
Hold on, I've got to open up mybag of chips.
Let me open up the bag of chipsI have here.
Pierre In code for the FindingFaith in Losing Sleep podcast.
That means I'm turning my Biblepages, that's what he?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
says I got it I got it right here.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
I know how to flip my Bible.
If we're having a Bible race,I'm right there at it right now.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
So what's the verse that a lot of people have been
plastering over social media?
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I don't know.
You said 611, Galatians 611,right, I said 6-7.
6-7.
Oh, 6-7.
You want me to read it in Greekor you want me to read it in
Aramaic?
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Read it in a way that the listeners will be able to
understand what the actual verseis.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Okay, well then I will read it hard like I live.
Okay, Do not be deceived.
God is not mocked, For whatevera man sows, he will also reap.
How about that?
There it is, God is not mocked.
Yeah, that's what—you're right.
I have seen that.
They have the little picture ofthe Lord's Supper and then they
(23:05):
have the picture of whathappened at the opening ceremony
.
God is not mocked.
They don't have that.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
What bothers me is that I see this everywhere, from
people that I never seeversions from.
I see it from people that maybehave their own I know some of
them have their owntransgressions.
I see it from folks that maybehave their own that I know some
of them have their owntransgressions.
I see it from folks that havefriends and family that have
their transgressions, butthey're never calling out
(23:34):
anything else.
Why is that?
Why is this the?
Why is this the fight they wantto fight and why was that verse
specifically?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
He's asking you, Michelle.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I think he'd have to ask them.
Wes.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
And again I mean, who knows the meaning behind it?
You look at the actual Olympicaccount.
They claimed.
They came out and stated youknow it was not meant to be
about the Last Supper.
It tied into, you know, someGreek and some French history,
(24:15):
which would make sense if it wasin France.
Some people don't believe that.
They're like no, you're a liar.
Okay, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
You're a liar.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
And so, michelle, we had a debate earlier actually.
So, michelle, what was yourthoughts on that?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
What do you mean?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
with it what the Last Supper and how it would is
basically a similarity.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Oh, I thought that the little bit of social media
that I had seen around it.
I thought that they, that theOlympic Committee, had come out
and said that it was it had todo with a famous like painting
and it wasn't related to thelast supper, so to speak.
But then I thought I sawsomething also that said that
(25:00):
that painting in general was inreference to the last supper.
So then it kind of still wouldbe a mockery, but I don't know
that to be fact.
It very well could have been mewhile I was sleepy reading,
seeing something.
So I'm not sure, but I will sayreally quickly, like based on
you know, pierre, asking whythis is something that people,
(25:23):
why this is what they choose toput out there and take a stand
on, I guess I feel like why, whyis it with anything Like?
What is it that makes youdetermine like this is the thing
I'm going to take a stand on?
That, you know, could bepotentially controversial, not
just this, but anything likeI've.
(25:44):
I've almost gotten to the pointwhere I don't post much at all
anymore, um, unless it happensto be something that I want to
show up in my memories for yearslater.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
But the Packers beating the bears.
Huh, the Packers beating thebears.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I'm sure I will get one of those especially if they
beat the Vikings Like I'll takethat one for sure.
What do you?
I mean, what do you have to?
Speaker 3 (26:11):
say about that?
I mean, I think I think mostposts, regardless, have a have a
purpose behind them.
So people post things in hopesthat someone sees them.
Like I don't think anyone postsanything saying you know what,
I hope no one's paying attentionto what I'm getting ready to
put out here.
You know what?
I hope no one sees what I'mtaking my time to type out here.
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And so again, my struggles arelike if you know your intentions
are to get attention, I feellike there's better ways to go
about it.
We just read that verse.
Wes Read me the verse aboutdefending Christianity.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Give me a clue when am I going.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
The verse about defending Christianity.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Read it.
Maybe, like our Christian faith, you want that verse.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Christian faith, about defending Christianity
itself.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I don't know, you stumped me.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yeah, it doesn't exist.
Oh, there's nothing within redletters of the Bible about
defending Christianity.
It does say defend your ownfaith.
It does say take care of thewidows and the poor.
Love your neighbors as yourself.
Love God above all things.
It doesn't say anything aboutdefending Christianity, the
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religion, people doing it.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Well, okay, so playing advocate here, you're
saying why do people choose todo that and type stuff up and
put it out there?
And obviously nobody does that.
I mean, I maybe do it.
There's not always somethingthat I want people to see.
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It's sometimes just for me likeso it shows up in my memories,
but like I couldn't.
We also say like if we'rejudging people for putting stuff
out there, like we're, we'rebeing judgmental too.
Like if that's what they choseto do, that's what they chose to
do I, I get it because it'sfrustrating, but again, it's
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free will.
Like it's not up to us to judgethat.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
That's absolutely correct.
I'm not, I'm not even sittinghere saying I'm judging.
I'm saying I'm trying tounderstand the thought process
Sure Around that I get it.
So you know, you see that inthe open ceremonies you go.
You want to make a point, youwant to post your opinion,
that's great.
But at the same time you knowyou may have a family member
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struggling with alcohol that younever talked to.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I think we all have our downfalls.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
We do and that's just the point.
And I think part of the I don'tlike the way Christians behave
ties into that.
We're always quick to point thefinger at the folks that we
don't agree with, but we don'tdo it at ourselves.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
It's easier to post something in five seconds than
it is to talk to that personover the phone or in
face-to-face that's strugglingwith something.
Okay, I got three things.
I've been quiet for a minute.
Yeah, I got three things.
I've been quiet for a minute.
Yeah, I got three things Ready.
Go ahead.
Number one that picture, thatpainting, that portrait of the
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Lord's Supper.
Yes, that was a work of art.
Yeah, it was not a divinesacrament.
They can redo those things allthey want in different ways.
If I'm not mistaken, there'sbeen movies, television shows
where they kind of do the samekind of scene, you know, with
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people around a table andthey're recreating somewhat of a
Lord's Supper theme.
All right, and that's what theopening ceremonies did.
Once again, I think there's atime and a place for it, and I
and I it's.
It's.
It's not even to me that theydid that.
I don't.
It's just that somebodysomewhere said hey, this is a
(30:39):
good idea, this, this will causecontroversy, this will stir up
chaos, let's's do this.
Why would they do that?
That's the part I don'tunderstand.
Not that scene.
You could do that scene all youwant, but on a worldwide stage,
all you're doing is trying tostir up trouble.
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Respect non-christians.
Non-christians, respectchristians.
Amen.
How about that?
I made it simple amen.
I'm gonna go write that onevery bathroom wall across
america.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
That is my life goal yeah, that's a lot better than a
random phone number right wellI'll put a message and then
write and that's the phonenumber.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Put your phone number .
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Hey, I know you can record a message and then write
and that's the phone number,right the phone number, and
that's what it says when theycall Number three.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Back to your Bible verse thing, pierre.
I went.
It took me a second to go.
Okay, what verse is that?
Oh, I know what verse it is.
I flipped my Bible open right,opened up my new bag of chips
and I had thrown up.
I had thrown a pin in my Bibleto bring along with me, because
sometimes I have to write downlittle notes to bring us back to
a topic that we're talkingabout and my pin was thrown
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right there in that same chapter, right next to that verse.
Of course there's.
You know, if you throw a pin ina Bible it's right next to all
the verses, really.
But first peter, first peter,chapter 3, verse 15.
But sanctify christ as lord inyour hearts, always being ready
to make a defense for everyonewho is asked to give an account
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for the hope that is in you.
Yet with gentleness andreverence you know gentleness
and reverence.
Uh, you know gentleness andreverence, thinking about those
people that you're talking to,being mindful of how you're
saying your words, but, yes,always being able to make a
defense.
That doesn't mean condemningpeople to hell.
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That means explaining why youbelieve what you believe and,
just like we've said in pastepisodes more times than not,
it's going to be living a lifeto lead others to the same kind
of lifestyle that you're living,that leads people to Christ,
that leads people to heaven.
It's more about your deeds,more than it is about your words
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, but sometimes, like on yoursocial media accounts or
whatever.
My I'm guilty, I'm guilty, I'mpointing my finger right at me.
I look, I I am pointing fourfingers at me and one finger at
you.
All right, that's what's goingon right now.
Then, not you, necessarily,pierre or michelle, just I mean
in general audience.
Okay, yes, and, and you knowthe those deeds are put under
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that magnifying glass and it'sit.
It helps divide things, justlike the olympics are.
Hey, let's go on to anothertopic.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Okay, we, we've beat the sequestrian event to death,
all right well I think I thinkit's important to to say, like
it's not just politics, likepeople use social media for all
kinds of things like, even liketo like.
I use it.
I like to use it, like I said,for like my memories and to help
(34:03):
remember things and things thatare past.
But it can be used for good, itcan be used for bad and
everything in between Right andlike.
Even like passive, aggressivestuff that you post on there
that you want other people tosee, or like just whatever it
might be.
Like Pierre said, you put stuffout there cause you want people
(34:24):
to see it.
So I think we all need to have agut check and a heart check and
say what am I really puttingout there for people Like, is
this a true representation of me?
Or am I trying to put on a showor to get people to like me or
to see things my way?
(34:44):
Like what is my true intention?
And I think that's reallyimportant.
I think that is an importantpoint that he brought up and I
just I don't know.
I felt like I needed to saythat.
I don't know why, but like Ijust think it's important for
all of us to say is this reallyhelping?
Is it really important, likewhat, what's my?
(35:05):
And maybe I think we don'tthink that enough when we do it,
and yeah, All right, no goodpoint, good point.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
That wrapped everything up there.
On that, Pierre, we talked, andthat may have been 400 days ago
that we last talked about whatwe're going to do this.
What were we talking aboutdoing as far as the news
headlines way back when?
Maybe we can remember some ofthose things, do you remember?
Speaker 3 (35:37):
There's a lot of things taking place.
I know one of the politicsstuff was obviously the Trump
shooting ordeal.
We had the Caitlin Clark andhow kind of that's been playing
out with her and Angel Reese, aswell as the Ridgewood with
Reggie Jackson and just kind ofsome of the past that he had
(36:00):
talked about coming up inbaseball as well.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah, where the baseball game was played in
Birmingham, Alabama, like theoldest ball field or something
like that.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Um.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
I think, and so they had a uh, just a game there.
And then Reggie Jackson got onFox during the I don't know if
it was before the game or but Ithink it was before the game and
he just talked about what itwas like for an African-American
to play baseball during thattime and when really they were
being belittled and and being Idon't know what would you say,
(36:35):
pierre, where they were.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Well, I guess, racist people being racist.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah, I guess that's what it was.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Ultimately, and I even had someone, so I had made
a comment that is basicallycrazy to think about something
like that taking place.
Obviously, I'm Black,african-american, whatever you
want to call me, but I didn'tlive back in those times.
I had family members that did,but I wasn't there.
(37:03):
I was blessed that the Lordappointed me in my point in time
.
After you know, the main likeit's still here, but after the
brutalness that took place andall that hate being shown.
And so I made a comment similarto that and I got one response
and it was basically saying youknow, black culture is the worst
(37:26):
culture in history.
It's been proven and somethingshould be done about it,
essentially.
And I was like well, clearly wehaven't come as far as we hope
we've come.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
If that's the thought process that some people are
still having, and it goes backto the tying it all in.
I think at that time it wasCaitlin Clark, angel Reese, I
think, caitlin Clark being leftoff the Olympic squad too, and
just those all those things kindof were all tying into it.
(38:05):
Once again, if it isn'tpolitics, if it isn't religion,
it's going to be skin colorthat's going to divide us as a
nation, right?
Whatever is being pushed in themainstream media, we don't need
to fall for that stuff.
We need to be kind to ourneighbor, we need to love our
neighbor as ourself.
We need to just take up thatOlympic torch the kindness torch
is what we could say and justcarry out that stuff.
(38:27):
But boy, it seems like thosenarratives are just pushed down
our throat all the time.
I guess attention needs to bedrawn to it, because if
attention wasn't ever drawn toracism during Reggie Jackson's
days, then it would never havechanged, right?
Speaker 3 (38:47):
I think you can.
I think that happens overhistory.
I don't know.
I feel like and again, thiscould be one of Satan's best
weapons.
It's probably division, becauseover history you have Blacks
fighting for their rights, youhave women fighting for their
rights.
(39:07):
I think right now could evensay like your pride communities
kind of fighting for what theyfeel are their rights.
Different spectrums maybe, butit's the same ordeal where
history kind of repeats itself,just with a different group, you
know, trying to find equalitywithin a world in which God says
(39:28):
we're all knit togetherperfectly In our mother's womb,
we're all made the same, we allbleed the same.
Yet folks have a really hardtime grasping that.
Right now.
The media, the world, kind ofthrives off of it and, like we
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mentioned, the Kaitlyn Clarkstuff, kaitlyn Clark's amazing.
She's an amazing basketballplayer.
The way she's handled herselfis awesome.
On the flip side, angel Reese,she says some things that I
think she's kind of baited intowith some of the ways they
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question her.
But she also has said a lot ofpositive things about Kaitlyn
Clark that you don't hear about.
That gets cut out of theinterviews, especially with the
All-Star.
They were on the same team.
There were a lot of things thatAngel Reese was pumping up,
glad to play with kate and can'twait to get a pass from her.
You don't hear it.
(40:33):
All you hear is the thenegative that maybe comes out,
or maybe that wasn't even meantto be negative, that's twisted
to be negative, and even from acaitlin clark quote, like I
found one where I knew the guyat the Athletic from Twitter and
just our interactions thatactually got the quote from
(40:54):
Caitlyn Clark on you know AngelReese and the Athletic, his own
company.
I took a snippet of what shesaid and like made it look like
you know she was firing back,which was not the case at all.
Like made it look like you knowshe was firing back, which was
not the case at all.
And so we we really got to becareful.
What we believe.
Well, especially like on theinternet, on television, I don't
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think people truly realize youknow how much things are
manipulated to to change ouropinions, to form our opinions.
I mean the political stuff wetalked about.
I know we're getting out ofpolitics, but it's insane.
You know the divide betweenDemocrats and Republicans, who
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all should really be workingtogether to make sure we're
united, but instead they'retrying to keep the power to
themselves.
I don't know, it's hard toovercome it when those with the
money and finances are workingso hard to divide those middle
class below.
(41:58):
I think that was kind of one ofhis main points of coming.
He came for the poor.
He came for the sick.
He came for the poor, you know.
He came for the sick.
He came for the sinners.
Like folks are getting mad at,you know, with the Olympic stuff
you could argue that the peoplethat he would be sitting with
trying to trying to help arethose people at that table.
(42:19):
So I don't know, it's, it's atough tough situation, maybe.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Maybe I said you could argue.
I didn't say it was the fact.
No, no, and I get that.
I understand he helped out somany different people in so many
different ways.
It seems like he helped outpeople that weren't able to help
themselves first and foremostright, but he wasn't afraid to
call somebody a sinner that wasa sinner Now, but they were
(42:46):
openly sinning and they weresupposed to be the religious
leaders at the time too.
You know what I mean Like.
So it's one of those things thatI've been trying to think about
in my head.
Did he call out the religiousleaders that were sinning but
yet he helped out sinners whodidn't know any better, but he
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didn't call them out necessarily.
You know what I mean.
Like he didn't publicly shamethe sinners, he publicly shamed
the and this is all thoughts,okay, this is thoughts you can
finding faith, losing sleep.
Leave a comment, tell me whereI'm right, tell me where I'm
wrong.
Help me think about thesethings out loud.
I would love to hear from you.
He called out the religiousleaders who were openly sinning,
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leading people into sinthemselves to some degree,
because they were supposed to bethe religious leaders, the
perfect people, and so he wouldcall them the snakes in the
grass or he would call themwhitewashed tombs or whatever,
but the sinners he didn'tnecessarily call them out.
He said, hey, you don't need tosin anymore, but he helped show
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them.
I was trying to go through mymemory banks and go through
there.
I need to just go ahead and doa whole Matthew Mark Luchon
study throughout all that.
I just need to do that rightthere.
Can I get weird for a minute?
Speaker 3 (44:07):
I mean you've done it before.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
So I don't know if you've have either one of you
ever heard of David Icke before.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
No.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Okay, this is where all pastors have to close their
ears, including mine.
Anybody from mine, just closeyour ears, because I'm not
saying I believe in this at all.
All right, david Icke is aphilosopher.
I don't know where he got thisinformation.
I have yet to get the DavidIcke book and read it.
(44:38):
Ok, I have heard about it and Ithink I've heard somebody who
read it and kind of did a reviewof it, right, somebody who read
it and kind of did a um, areview of it, right, but he's
he's.
He was alex jones before alexjones, david ike, kind of a
thing, right.
And then with david ike, though, what he said was and I don't
(44:59):
know how he came to thisconclusion the anunnaki.
Have you guys ever heard ofanunnaki?
Speaker 3 (45:06):
I have.
Some of my rabbit hoes have ledme down that path.
Yes, I'm aware.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Michelle?
What about Michelle?
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
Not aware I haven't got.
She thinks a lot differentlythan I think and if I got
introduced to her we wouldn't goto bed for a day understood
you'd just be her mind runningwild, so that she's not
introduced anyway.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
His, his, if I have this right, and I don't know
that I even am representing whatdavid ike says, correct, but he
, um, he, he, he thinks theworld was created by Anunnaki,
which are essentially lizardpeople.
Lizard people, and there werethree lizard people, if I
understand that, right, like alittle family, a little triunion
kind of a thing going on, andone was good and a couple of
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them were bad.
And what they feed off of, whatthey feed off of, is our
negativity.
What they feed off of is ournegativity, and that they are
still in control of all thistoday, like they are pulling
strings from wherever they'repulling strings from.
They are pulling strings tocreate this kind of atmosphere
(46:25):
that we are living in now.
Even more, they have all thepieces in place to be able to
cause all this dissension, to beable to cause all this anger,
to be able to cause all thisdisruption, and I say they feed
off of it.
Their energy is producedthrough our negative energies
and our hatred for one another.
And I say that just to saythere are theories out there of
why all this happens.
(46:46):
Because it's not, it's notexplainable.
Right, and Pierre, you'vealluded to Satan having that
stronghold.
Well, that's Satan is kind ofrepresented from a dragon, which
you could say artsy kind ofthings and say those kind of
stuff.
So I'm not saying it's valid atall.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
I'm just saying there's thoughts out there of
why this happens.
My version is that lizardpeople.
Just isn't how it comes out.
So the rabbit hole I went downwas more of like an alien-type
god lowercase g obviously, butalien gods that basically
control the world ultimate goodone and created Earth itself to
(47:38):
kind of create mankind and causethe havoc that they couldn't
cause in some of the othergalaxies.
But yeah it's interesting, butit's far-fetched.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
It seems fictitious.
It seems fictitious Until Iwent back to Genesis and I'm
like, oh, you had that Satanrepresented like a snake talking
.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Oh, I was like, oh, no, but hey, you know what I've
been sitting here thinking like,as we're doing, as we're
talking through all this is, youknow, technology has brought us
a long way.
Like we couldn't have done thispodcast years ago because we
didn't have the technology forit right, Like in different
location and to put it out thereand and that sort of thing.
(48:32):
But as great as technology is,I feel like it's also been a
downfall for our world, like tohave so many things readily
available and opinions out thereand cause dissent and, you know
, hurt feelings and all of thatsort of thing.
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Like it's sad, it's really sadand I don't think there's any
coming back from that,unfortunately, like only through
God.
I pray that like we find thatway, but I think the the more we
have things open and you know,now you can create videos of
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people that had actually neverhappened with AI, and like just
all of that stuff.
It's super scary and sometimes,as a parent, for me, like it
freaks me out to think like the,the challenges that my daughter
is going to have in this world,like not knowing if you know
when she thinks she's talking toher friend online that maybe
she's not, and like just all ofthose kinds of things are are
scary, and I think that's wherewe truly have to give it to God
(49:40):
and just trust that it's goingto happen the way he wants it to
.
And we have to, you know, giveit to him and and we have to do
our part to protect our children, and you know our world, but
ultimately it's up to him toknow that.
But man, it's scary.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
I got a.
You guys um, somebody is tryingto chime in to our podcast here
.
If you hold on a second, Okay,you ready.
Okay, uh, it's a guy named Paul, all right.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
You ready?
Okay, it's a guy named.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
Paul.
All right, he says.
Concerning things sacrificed toidols, we know that we have all
knowledge.
Knowledge makes arrogant, butlove edifies If anyone supposes
that he knows anything he hasnot yet known as he ought to
know.
If anyone loves God, he isknown by him.
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Therefore, concerning theeating of things sacrificed to
idols, we know that there is nosuch thing as an idol in the
world and there is no God butone.
For even if there are so-calledgods, whether in heaven or on
earth, as indeed there are manygods and many lords, yet for us
there is but one, god, theFather, from whom are all things
and we exist for him, and one,lord, jesus Christ, by whom are
(50:51):
all things and we exist throughhim.
However, not all men have thisknowledge, but some, being
accustomed to the idol until now, eat food as if it were
sacrificed to an idol.
Now look, we could say thatidol.
We can replace it with theopening Olympics theme, like we
were talking about right.
Or we can put alcohol in there,pierre, we could put
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fornication in there, we couldput all those things in there.
Whatever that idol is.
An idol is just somethingthat's between you and God,
right, between you and God.
However, not all men have thisknowledge, but some, being
accustomed to the idols in theirlife until now, eat food as if
it were sacrificed to an idoland their conscience, being weak
(51:35):
, is defiled.
But food isn't going to commendus to God.
We are neither the worst if wedo eat it nor the better if we
don't eat it.
But take care lest the libertyof yours somehow becomes a
stumbling block to the weak.
For if someone sees you, whohave knowledge, dining in an
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idol's temple, will not hisconscience, if he is weak, be
strengthened to eat thingssacrificed to an idol?
For through your knowledge, hewho is weak is ruined the
brother for whose sake Christdied, and thus, by sinning
against the brethren andwounding their conscience when
it is weak, you sin againstChrist.
(52:17):
Therefore, if food causes mybrother to stumble, I will never
eat meat again.
That I might not cause mybrother to stumble.
Paul's whole point there in 1Corinthians 8,.
In a Greek environment, in aGreek church, in a metropolitan
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area where people are coming andgoing from all over places,
where around the world.
It is going here to this areain Corinth, and Corinth is being
influenced by all thesedifferent kind of cultures.
Paul knows that there are somany people that sacrifice
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animals to different kinds ofgods and then they eat the
barbecue.
Essentially, they eat barbecue.
But Paul says, sometimes whenyou eat sacrifices barbecue made
to false gods, you are causingsomeone to stumble that sees you
eating that kind of barbecue.
(53:25):
You pull up to a barbecue jointand's and it's a a Goliath's
Goliath's barbecue.
They're like oh, you can't, youcan't eat there because they're
sacrificing to the God Goliath.
But but, man, they got somegood sauce, man, you know, and
there's no such God as Goliath,so it doesn't matter if we eat
it or not.
It doesn't matter, we can eatit all we want.
(53:58):
Let's just enjoy the barbecuesauce, baby.
But you got that one person whogoes no, I used to sacrifice
animals to Goliath and I used toeat that barbecue and I did it
out of respect to Goliath and Ican't eat there because I'm just
afraid that I'm going to goback in that door.
I think life might be real, Idon't know.
And I can't eat that barbecue.
Man, you're crazy.
I'm eating that barbecue.
It's got good sauce.
You caused that brother tostumble, right?
Speaker 3 (54:21):
I think that's the main piece.
Is the causing to stumble.
I mean I can speak for somejust because I lost my mom to
alcohol.
It was a battle Great woman inand out of rehab.
She honestly would do reallywell initially out of rehab.
Where she would always stumbleis when she got around friends
(54:48):
or family that were drinking andit starts maybe you know, one
sip, one, this and all of asudden you know she's back full
force and so I think that'swhere that comes from.
You got folks that are battlingaddictions, battling demons, and
(55:12):
we're called to make our ownsacrifices, not just for our
sake but for their sake.
So even if you know you may notbe an alcoholic, you might be
able to have one glass of wineand be perfectly fine and stop
right there.
But if you pull that out infront of someone who struggles
(55:36):
and they don't have, you know,that type of control over it,
that's where the issue is andyou know, depending on what
church or what issue you have,some folks you know say you know
no drinking, no alcohol at all.
On the flip side, you can sayyou know Jesus turned water in
the wine when the whole partywas already, you know, kind of
(55:56):
feeling good.
But the issue is that you can'tcause your neighbor, your
brother, your sister to kind offall back into their own trap,
and I think that's where Paulwas getting at with that
statement.
Kind of similar, so not exactlythe same.
(56:17):
I know you got your Bible there.
Can you go to 1 John, chapter 3, 10 for me?
Speaker 1 (56:26):
1 John, chapter 3.
I had my Bible.
I put it down.
Mr Wilson, I'm flipping.
I'm in the exposés here in theback.
I'm in 1 Peter.
I'm in Revelation.
Let me head to the left alittle bit, is that okay?
1 John 3, what?
3.10.
Look, I'm pretty good with myBible, flipping Bible.
Speaker 3 (56:45):
I never went through that.
I think this is important, bothin kind of what we discussed
earlier, how we react, how wepost things, you know kind of
our thought process around it.
I think this verse kind of tiesus together here on the
Christian side of things forsure.
Speaker 1 (57:02):
By this, the children of God and the children of the
devil are obvious.
Anyone who does not practicerighteousness is not of God, nor
the one who does not love hisbrother.
Speaker 3 (57:26):
Sometimes that's not what we're thinking, it's not.
Oh, how holy are I, are thouand you know, walking with our
chin up, nose up.
Sometimes it's just, you know,doing the next right thing
towards our brothers and sistersthose that we agree with those
that we don't agree with, andsisters, those that we agree
(57:48):
with those that we don't agreewith, and them truly being able
to see how we react and ourbehavior, I think, can change
the opinion of so many.
Speaker 1 (57:57):
Let me say this Not only ours, pierre.
Whoever ours is, whoever oursis, whoever ours is whoever is
ours whoever ours is ours.
But also there's two yeah,there may be people who don't
agree with me that tune intothis podcast.
(58:18):
So it's not just me.
I'm holding myself accountableand I'm encouraging others to
hold themselves accountable.
I'm encouraging others to whomight be Christian, to walk that
side with loving kindness.
But here's my point the otherside has to do it too.
But just because they don'tdoesn't mean we can't, Right?
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Right.
I was always taught like you'rea product of your environment.
So I think we all need to becognizant of what environment
we're creating, not just forourselves, but for others.
Speaker 1 (58:50):
I told you all I was raised in a mess.
That's why I'm a mess.
All right, I do have a topicfor next time.
All right, it's the end of thepodcast here.
I want to encourage everybodyto write in, leave a review if
you can, not for our sake, butjust to be able to hear from you
, I guess.
So that is selfish reasons.
It is for our sake.
It does help out the show.
We don't charge anything forthe show.
(59:11):
We don't have any advertising.
We don't do anything like that.
We've had opportunities to dothose things but we don't do it.
Why?
Because the show's for you andthe show is for God and we just
don't feel like we need to doany of those things.
It'll take care of itself, butwe want to hear from you because
it is encouraging to hear yourvoices.
I guess I put little voicesinside or whatever messages you
(59:31):
leave us.
Oh, that's what we should do,can I?
Can I do my voices reading themessages, pierre, you're?
Speaker 3 (59:39):
the producer.
That's not insane we did.
It can be really entertaining,though we have a new cartoon
channel.
Speaker 1 (59:42):
All I have is an over the air antenna Right and there
have a new cartoon channel.
All I have is an over-the-airantenna right and there's a new
cartoon channel and it's all theold cartoons that I grew up
with and I'm watching thesethings and my teenager's like
that's where all your voicescome from.
I'm like oh yeah it is.
There's so many differentcartoon voices that I just have
imitated throughout the years.
Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
That's fantastic.
Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
A lot of the best cartoons don't have voices.
You look like Tom and Jerry andit's a lot of silence.
Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
But anyways.
Anyway, I want to read people'smessages and cartoon voices,
but I want to encourage peopleto do that.
But the topic next time, unlesssomebody writes in and tells us
otherwise.
I had a text message fromsomebody that said I wish you
would do Ephesians.
So how about that?
Can we maybe as a group as awhole, as a Finding Faith,
(01:00:32):
losing Sleep podcast family,just we'll all maybe take
Ephesians under our wings and inour belt and in our Bible
readings and the next time wecome together we'll kind of do
an overview of the book ofEphesians.
We'll be looking for themes andwe'll look for key verses,
maybe key passages, just thosekind of things, and see what the
theme of Ephesians is.
(01:00:54):
Okay, sounds like a plan.
Okay, all right, We'll do thatthen.
I appreciate everybodylistening to this podcast.
Anything we can do for you, youlet us know and we'll be
praying for you as you pray forus.
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