November 27, 2024 • 58 mins
What truly defines a rich life? Join us as we navigate this profound question through the lens of faith, family, and friendship, sharing personal stories and insights from our own spiritual journeys. Wes opens up about his enriching experience with a chronological Bible reading program, while Michelle explains how reading scripture aloud has brought new depth to her understanding. As we gather for this special Thanksgiving edition of the Finding Faith and Losing Sleep podcast, we uncover the challenges and joys of maintaining motivation and gratitude during the holiday season.
In our exploration of leadership, we consider the transformative power of faith-guided decision-making in both personal and political realms. From the inspiring leadership of biblical figures like King Josiah to the modern-day challenges of navigating polarized political landscapes, we draw intriguing parallels between leadership styles past and present. Our discussion also brings to light the wrestling-like drama of contemporary politics, urging us to question media narratives and seek clarity through faith-driven choices.
As we reflect on the notion of true wealth, inspired by Forrest Frank’s song "Rich Man," we ponder the balance between spiritual devotion and worldly attachments. The conversation extends into the realm of sports, where we find inspiration in faith-driven athletes like Tim Tebow, who stand firm in their beliefs. With hearts full of gratitude, we express our thanks to our listeners, inviting you to continue this journey with us as we seek to foster a community grounded in faith, love, and an appreciation for life's blessings.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
it's time to wake up and pray up here.
On the finding faith and losingsleep podcast, the thanksgiving
day edition.
I think this will be releasedprobably thanksgiving day,
pierre and michelle, don't you?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
it might be earlier, might be the day before.
We'll see how the editing goes.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
But see how motivated here is.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
It's hard to get motivation when you get closer
to holiday well, it's tuesday,so I'm just, you know, I think
you can get it done within twodays and then people have it, be
able to travel down the road.
I'm bouncing right now becausethat's how all my cars kind of
seem to go.
There's bounce.
I don't know how, what theroads are like in indiana, but
these are these roads down herein alabama.
Sometimes they can get a littlebit bouncy.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I mean we got shocks in our cars up here, but it gets
worse after the winter when allthe potholes develop from all
the plows and the ice that'skind of melted into the roads
and been dug up.
Yeah, that's the truth.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
We're going to use this podcast time just to kind
of catch up with one another.
It's been a minute since we'vebeen able to get together.
Life just kind of gets in theway of the podcasting family
here, the podcasting trio thatyou know and love on the Finding
Faith and Losing Sleep podcast.
I'm Wes Easley, one of yourhosts at Loafing it on Twitter.
That is Michelle as well overon Twitter.
What's your Go Pack?
Go 411, right 411.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Go Pack, go 411.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
There it is, and that is Pierre, her husband, on the
other end, there as well, atPeeWee31, over on Twitter, and
Pierre, I have no idea what thepodcast feed is.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Well, twitter is at FindingFaithPod On Twitter.
There we have an email you canreach out to us on at
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(01:56):
If you want to send us a textmessage, we're out there, we're
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Feel free to reach out if anyquestions, prayer requests,
thoughts concerns.
Don't praise me.
Free to reach out if anyquestions, prayer requests,
thoughts concerns if there's anyconcerns, don't praise me, you
can praise me.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I don't mean for us, I mean for like their life
Praises yeah, send praises.
Yeah, that's good.
You can send praise my way,that's fine with me.
Listen, we are on this podcastjust to kind of give our
thoughts.
We've been described as justsitting back with like a cup of
coffee, talking about life,biblical things all around, a
biblical worldview kind of athought, and so that's what we
do.
We just bring a nice friendlylittle atmosphere in talking
(02:36):
about these things and hopefullydeconstruct walls that have
been built up over our time inpeople's lives that, hey, we
can't talk about politics, hey,we can't talk about religion,
hey, we can't talk aboutwhatever it is.
Yes, we can, we can talk aboutit.
Still be friends.
We don't agree all the time onthis podcast at all, so it's
good to have those kind of talks.
And one of the things I wasthinking about, Pierre and
(02:57):
Michelle, that I did since thelast time we got together and I
think I probably alluded to itover this year I started in
March doing a Bible readingprogram, a chronological Bible
reading program, and instead ofreading I have a lot of downtime
in a bread truck or while I'mdoing work and everything by
myself.
(03:18):
So I listened to it and Ilistened to the New Living
Translation.
Some people go oh, that's notthe right kind of translation,
you need the King James Version.
I don't know why they talk likethat, but that's what— I don't
either.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I don't either.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
You need the King James Version, but New Living
Translation it just read well,okay.
And there was a young man onthere who was very passionate
about what he was reading andthat was cool to hear the young
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man speak passionately aboutwhat he was reading.
And that was cool to hear theyoung man speak passionately
about what the Bible said and itwas really neat to listen to
those things and I think that Ilisten.
Would it be auditory?
Do I learn?
Well, auditorially, is that amade-up word.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I'm not your word expert.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I haven't heard it before Another Wes-ism.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So I think I learned well listening and maybe I don't
learn as well like reading itand picking it up and stuff like
that.
And I don't think I learned aswell watching it, because I want
to flip the channel, but whileI was doing this I could just
listen to it and, man, itedified me.
I was fired up and I washearing things that I'd never
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heard before and having it makesense, if that makes any sense
to you.
I mean, I've read through theBible before, I've read all
these passages, but I'd neverlistened to it quite like this,
and so that was exciting for me.
I don't know if you guys haveever been on that journey or not
, but it was very exciting to me.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Well, I've been doing like read the Bible in a year
and there have been times I'vemissed, and so I just try to
jump back in and I find that Ido best if I read myself.
But I, if I read it out loud,like if I speak it and hear, so
I see it and I hear it at thesame time.
For me, that helps metremendously, because if I just
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read it I find myself likeglossing over stuff and then I
have to go back and be like what, what the world did?
I just read?
Um, if I just hear it,sometimes it's difficult because
my brain likes to do about50,000 things a minute, so in in
many different.
So I'll inevitably go off onsome tangent and realize I'm not
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paying attention to what'sbeing said.
So I think it helps my brain tofocus and really reinforce it
if I'm doing two of those atonce and for me that works.
What about you?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
So I read it.
I read the NIV version lastyear in a year.
I did it chronologically.
I found a calendar, I printedit out and it was supposed to be
chronological I guess.
I don't know for sure if it was, but I took it at its word.
I have the one year Bible aswell, but it's also the NIV, so
I probably would look at anotherversion if I could.
(06:02):
I didn't read it.
It was a little mixed Like.
Sometimes I read it out loud tomyself and sometimes I just,
you know, read in my mindmentally and it's tough because
certain parts of it, honestly,will put me to sleep.
Eyes will get a little heavy,you know, reading it.
When it comes to the audiobooksI haven't really attempted to.
(06:23):
A few that you get is like thatreal, proper English guy
reading it off to you and itjust doesn't seem genuine for
some reason.
Oh, how did I do?
It just doesn't follow.
Maybe, if I found the rightversion, I could do an audio.
I do prefer to listen.
I'm easily distracted.
(06:43):
I get tired of reading prettyquickly, unless it's like a
children's book or somethingthat's quick, uh, short and to
the point.
So I think I would probably dowell with an audiobook if I gave
it a shot was it the bibleproject that you?
yeah, I like the bible project.
I've done that.
Um, they have like littlevideos and little little comic
strips that they kind of drawout and kind of tell the story
(07:04):
to.
Those are so cool Then you candive into like different recaps
and stuff of each of thosesections.
So I've done that as well.
And there's some other likebooks that I've done, from what
was the latest one we did amiracles book from, I think it's
Jeff Little, a couple of manlybooks from man's conferences so
I can read.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I just I prefer not to read.
If I'm being honest, he's beenreading the lost books of the
Bible too.
So let me tell you when he goesdown that rabbit hole, those
are some really interestingconferences.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Oh yeah, the book of wisdom.
I don't know if you've heard ofthat.
It's a.
It's an interesting thing, butit's it's dangerous to read
certain things, so I don't bringthem up because I don't want
people down the same rabbitholes I go down.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
No, and I started trying to listen to my app, so I
finished it.
I finished it like a monthearlier.
Here's the thing I started it inMarch when, I should have
started it in January, but mygoal was to still finish it by
the end of the year.
So I was like, yeah, I was likethree months behind, but I
didn't realize that until I wasgoing through my my, my.
It kind of gives you a littleRolodex of how far along you are
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on the plan and everything andit would say like I was 28 days
ahead of schedule or something,or 10 days ahead of schedule.
And I was like, hey, all right,I'm doing well, I'm catching up
to this thing.
And then I realized it wasmeaning if I finished in March,
not if I finished in December.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Oh, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, it did.
So I was like, oh man, I amlike I started out 90 days
behind and I'm only 20.
I'm 60 days behind is what Iwas thinking, right.
And so what I would do is I'dhave like my little routines I
would listen to a fantasyfootball podcast, I would listen
to a fantasy football podcast,pierre.
I'd listen to a fantasyfootball podcast on the way to
work, right, 20-minute drive,something like that, and then
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during the day I would still mixin the different podcasts that
I would listen to, or whatever.
But on my way home, a 20-minutedrive back to the warehouse
after I finished up my job, Iwould listen to the Bible thing,
and then I would listen to thatuntil I got home.
So I'd get like two or three ina day, something like that.
But I was still very far behindfrom finishing up in March, and
(09:16):
so I went okay, all right, I'mgoing to change up my routine a
little bit, so, getting towardsthe end of football season
anyway.
So I started listening to itafter I got done, coming back to
the area that I work in in myBig Bowl bread truck, and I
started listening to it thereand all of a sudden, I started
listening to 10, 12 a day and Icouldn't get enough.
(09:36):
It wasn't like, and it wasn't,I got to get this done.
I got to get this done beforeDecember.
It was I want to do this, Ineed more of this.
It just became electrifying.
It was filling me upspiritually and so it was really
cool to have that feeling in me.
And then I finished, and Ifinished like last week, and so
now I'm done a month and a halfearly and I'm going well, now
(10:01):
what?
And so I just said, oh, I'lljust, I'll just go back to my
routine, I guess, and startlistening to podcasts.
You start back over.
Well, yeah, the podcasts soundso empty.
There's nothing to them.
It's empty words.
It's not fruitful.
It's not fruitful for me.
(10:22):
Yeah, it makes sense sense.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And we'll circle back for a second.
Because you say you started inmarch and one of my rabbit hoes,
if you find an old bible, itactually starts in march.
So you may have started righton time.
Um, because if you start inmarch, all of a sudden, like
you're you're we talked aboutthis your, your months, make
more sense what your, your decos, your octos and all that
(10:45):
actually being like you're andyour ten, so you may have
started right on time with withthat.
But I understand what thepodcast I've.
I've done that too and even now, like it's hard for me to to
even listen to, like whencertain choice words like come
up in a podcast.
You know some foul languagehere there.
I mean it kind of turns me off.
If it's just all that or peoplejust going on a rant, I'm like,
(11:05):
all right, I'm not going tolisten to this anymore.
You do change over time.
If you really have a change ofheart on things, it can change
what you bring in, what you takein, what you listen to, what
you watch, etc.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Go ahead, Wes I was going to say, when I was a young
Christian and I was setting therules for the household kind of
a thing and TV shows or moviesor anything like that, in an
episode or in a movie I didn'tknow how to kind of handle the
swear words and all that.
But I knew I probably shouldn'tbe watching too many shows with
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swear words because if theyswear then it goes down some
other place and everything itleads into.
Debauchery is what it leadsinto, and so I don't know a
whole lot outside of the sportsworld, pierre.
So I just said a three strikesand it's out or it's off.
So if it hit three times, itwas off, it was out, it was done
, and that's just kind of how Idid it.
That's smart.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, I don't know if it's smart, it's what we did.
I'll give you credit, wes, it'ssmart.
Yeah, I was just.
It's funny you say that becauseI was literally just thinking,
as I was driving the girls toschool and like heading back
this week, how very differentour lives are, even just like my
life, for sure, but like ourlife even as a couple, um, as a
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family, since since we've beenbaptized, like since we made the
decision to go to churchregularly and and, to you know,
listen to christian music, andlike that kind of thing.
If I really look at it, it'svastly different.
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
She still went to see Pitbull and T-Pain in concert.
So don't let her fool you.
It is different, because Ididn't have much interest in
going to that at all.
It's just not my cup of teaanymore.
I don't know.
You just get around people youused to hang out with and the
things that they do you're justnot interested in.
So it is like it's a, it's alife change and it's what it
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says, right.
It says you're supposed to beborn again and I think that kind
of plays a part of it.
Like you, you're changed, oryou're at least working on
changing, and and you're notsupposed to cause another person
to stumble, another believer tostumble.
So you work on making betterdecisions yourselves, and if you
surround yourself with thosetype of people as well, they're
going to work on helping you notstumble too.
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And it does.
It becomes a life change andit's pretty interesting when you
look back on it.
That's why I say there's a songthat says if you knew me, me,
then you believe me now.
And I've always looked back onthat, because I can look back on
my old self and be like if youknew what I used to do and who I
was like, you believe me thatthat something changed my life.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Definitely, and it should have a dramatic change in
a lot of cases.
And it's one of those thingsthat evolves and you evolve with
it as you learn other things,and you evolve with it as you
learn other things.
And for me it's always seeingother people and seeing how
families handle stuff and seeingwhat families do and knowing
that I'm not the only one whoabstains from the evil on
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television or abstains from thethings that people are listening
to.
I'm not the only one and itkind of gives you a little power
whenever you know that you'renot the only one.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
And I can't tell you like new artists today.
I honestly couldn't.
I know some, but I, I sung, I'mlike I have no idea what's the
hip.
What's hip?
Right now?
I have no idea what's it,unless it's christian music.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
It's probably not us I used to listen to the top 40
or the top 20 countdown just tojust to kind of stay a little
bit relevant and sound like agoofy guy that come in there
singing a song.
The only reason why I did itwas to start a conversation with
somebody.
You know, that's the onlyreason why I would do it.
Now I can just remember doing acouple of times just singing a
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certain song that would.
I just heard my bread truckgoing into a store because the
way I look at it is, I'm aminister in whatever store it is
that I go into, right, they maynever, ever, ever have anybody
who is relatively close totrying to be like Jesus in their
life.
So I try to do that.
And then I might introduce whatI'm going to say with some kind
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of top 40 song that's in thereappropriately, like I don't, I
just do it.
And they'll look at me like howdo you know that song, wes?
And because they know myreputation or whatever, and I
say, ah, I just did it just toget you to smile.
And then I'd start aconversation like from there.
So that's what I would do.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, I'm not doing that.
I don't know, I wouldn't beable to.
I'd probably make a fool ofmyself trying to trying to come
up with even some songs that,like my daughter does a pretty
good job she's she's kind ofinto Christian music too, but
she has something that she'llstart playing.
I'm just like what is this like?
What's the the twang you likebefore?
I'm like what are you listening?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
to.
But the girl doesn't even likecountry music and that's like
the most country song.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
The Easter on, I guess, yeah, that's not me.
I'm not just going to walk up.
There's not a song, I don'tknow.
I'm not going to act like I'msomething else to please anybody
, not saying that's what you'redoing, but it's just my style.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I just do it to get their attention.
They'll just snap their neckand they're like what, what are
you doing?
1 Peter 2, verse 11 saysBeloved, I urge you, as aliens
and strangers, to abstain fromfleshly lusts which wage war
against the soul.
Keep your behavior excellentamong the Gentiles so that in
the thing in which they slanderyou as evildoers, they may, on
account of your good deeds asthey observe them, glorify God
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in the day of visitation.
So I think that's irrelevant towhat we're talking about as far
as not being like the world,but at the same time, you know
we're in the world.
So it's always a little bitcomplicated in that.
And speaking about being in theworld, the last time we got
together it was pre-election.
Now it's post-election here inthe United States.
I say that because the podcasthas been popular all over the
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world.
Pierre is what you tell me.
So I make sure that people know.
that's in the United States, andit made me start thinking of
you know what's the best way fora country to have leadership?
I know the United States.
You know we got the president,the vice president, then you got
Congress and you got Senate.
You got all these differentthings in order for a law to
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pass or whatever, and it soundsgood.
It sounds good.
It also sounds like things thatneed to be done can get mucked
up in all the red tape too.
Maybe some things just don'tever get done because there's
just too many hands inside oftrying to get things done, and
some people don't want it done,some people do want it done and
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maybe what the people actuallywant don't ever get done.
And so I've just been thinkingabout what's the best kind of
leadership for a country.
Is it I don't want to saydemocracy, because I'm blessed
to live in the United States.
It's a great country, we have alot of great things.
But then I start wondering whatabout people who have like a
king?
Because that's what the Biblehas a bunch of kings in it, and
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a king is really looking out fornot only his best interest but
also the best interest of hisson who would inherit the
kingdom, and then it's aperpetual thing where they're
maybe trying to do the thingsright so that their son will
inherit a good kingdom and aprofitable kingdom, and you want
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to have the people behind youand behind your son instead of
trying to kick you out or tryingto sabotage the kingdom or
anything like that.
I've just been trying to thinkabout that.
I don't know what are y'all'sthoughts.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Well, I actually it's funny because you know we've
talked that we have a foreignexchange student with us and I
asked her one day when we were,when I was taking her to school
I was like so what does yourgovernment look like?
And she said it's very similarto here.
Like right now they haveelected officials, um, but she
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also I don't.
I guess I don't really want tomisspeak, but I think it's been
a while since we had thisconversation.
I'm pretty sure she said thatthat's probably going away.
Um, so I don't, I don't wanthim to speak, but, um, it was.
I thought it was interestingthat she said said that
currently they're kind of likeus, because I just wasn't sure.
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I mean some you know countriesover in Europe, you don't know
what that looks like, and so Ijust wondered like I know she
had some issues getting the okayto come here because they
thought she might not come back.
I think is what she said.
So she had some issues at theembassy getting cleared for the
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whole year.
She had to give them a returndate, something like that.
I don't think we necessarilyrun into those issues here.
So it's interesting it's.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
It's tough because I mean, you've seen the kings, as
you say, the queens, in certaincountries.
We see history of likedictatorships and kind of how
that's played out and you know,I think that's one of the
questions that so we had talkedabout a little bit pre-show.
It's like limitations and ifyou feel like God has any
limitations, I think when youtalk about things of the world,
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like how much do you feel likeGod would get involved?
And election is kind of part ofthat.
So there's praying people thatyou know pray for the Democrats.
There's praying people thatpray for Republicans and there's
a half of that group that feltlike their prayers may not have
been answered but we talkedabout.
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We always try to back whoever'sin office.
But I think the democracy is aa good balance, because I don't
think you ever want you everwant something to be one way
only.
Well, all or nothing.
Yeah, I don't think it can beall or nothing, I think I think
that's that's kind of the wholefree will process to me.
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So I think free will in my mind, like we could have easily I've
been made like robots rightwhere we had no choice, but god
didn't, didn't feel that way hefelt to have free will, where we
have a choice to to choose himor not to choose him, and I
think that's just.
I know that's where some of thequestions go in.
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At um you talked about Americabeing a great country.
I would agree, but I honestly,I personally I'd be lying if I
said I didn't struggle with theMake America Great Again
campaign itself.
Because what does that mean?
Because to certain people itmeans different things.
What period are you talkingabout?
Some folks say the 60s.
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Well, we were fighting forrights in the 60s, being Blacks.
We were fighting for rights inthe 60s being Blacks.
You know Martin Luther King hada speech and movements.
Some say the 70s.
You know that's a period oflove and peace, but you know
also drugs and stuff along thoselines.
So it's just tough.
Because making America greatagain, I feel like it's going to
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be different to differentpeople.
Because to some people Americawas great when slavery was
happening and a certain thingwas taking place over the
country.
Certain people was like the 80sand 90s, just because it felt a
little more relaxed.
But that could have just beenbecause we didn't have social
media and platforms to show ushow crazy the world actually was
, then it really makes you thinkwhat does what does god, you
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know?
What does he control, what doeshe try to control and what does
he kind of just give us freereign on um when it comes to
worldly things like likepoliticians and elections?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
well, I get what you're saying about, great again
, because it's like in in whoseopinion?
Right, but it says but I, Iguess I take that a little bit
different in that I feel likewe've had such a in my opinion.
So, in my opinion, I feel likewe've had such a downslide of
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just I don't know we talkedabout before, like in the 80s
when we had elections.
It was, it wasn't such a likebackstabbing, like calling names
at each other's throats andslander type thing, legit debate
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on topics and seemed like mostof the time with in an ethical
kind way, right, and I feel likewe've had such a downside of
just all of that.
It's been not great yeah so Idon't think it's meaning go back
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to a perfect time, becausethere never has been one and
there never will be one.
Yeah, but back to hopefully wecan get to a place where we're
actually united again and not sodivided.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I mean, yeah, but I think that, but that's not one
person.
That campaign kind of startedthe.
It started the disconnect, inmy opinion, and that's like the
Hillary Trump ordeal.
I felt like that's when itreally kind of picked up some,
at least in my opinion, with thedisconnect.
And I think the problem that alot have with Trump in
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particular is a lot of hisfollowers.
They play the race card some Ican speak to this a little bit
just because I'mAfrican-American, I have family
and I hear conversations.
So there's a race card played.
So to some again not all tosome make America great again is
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like get rid of women, get ridof blacks.
That's not necessarily the case, but that's what some think and
there's no dispelling of thatthink and there's no dispelling
of that.
As a leader, you could easilycome out and say no, that's not
this, that's not what ourcampaign is, that's not what's
taking place, and I personallydon't know if that's happened
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and I think that's where a lotof concern comes from with the
campaign in general.
But on the flip side, I thinkthe Democrats try to play that
Like.
I don't think it was acoincidence that Biden got
pushed out and all of a suddenthere's a black woman running
against Trump.
I don't think she's IndianIndian.
Well, she's part black, so butI'm just saying they try to play
the card and things start tohappen.
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Man, like crazy stuff starts tohappen around election time
where a lot of racial tensiongets involved, and I don't know.
You just wonder With me.
It's like could God step in anddo anything Same with the gun
violence with school?
We all got kids in school andgun violence doesn't seem to be
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going anywhere.
It just pops up here and there.
But you know we sit and we pray.
Is there something that he cando, he being God, to kind of put
a halt to all this?
Or is he kind of just outsidethe world with limitations, is
kind of my question there.
What?
Speaker 1 (26:27):
are your thoughts, wes?
I don't think he haslimitations.
I don't Maybe that might be awall built up in my brain, but I
just don't think he haslimitations.
I think he could do a lot.
Now I'm not going to take thingsout of his hands or out of his
control, to kind of fit thenarrative.
You know what I mean.
I'm not going to do thatbecause if I give him credit
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when I just see God working inmy life one way or another,
whether it's good or whetherit's bad or whatever, I'm not
going to say he doesn't controlall things, because the Bible
reiterates that severaldifferent times.
So I think that that's the case.
I understand what everybodysays and all their thoughts and
I love to hear them.
I love to hear the thoughtsbecause I need to expand my mind
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to hear what other people thinkabout, and I definitely
appreciate a perspective likeyours, pierre, or yours,
michelle, or or even an Indianwoman like Kamala Harris's.
It's and I've said this beforeand I'll say it again, I'll say
it many times Politics justmakes so much more sense
(27:31):
whenever I put on my wrestlinggoggles and I just my glasses,
and I will look at it like I'mwatching the WWE and it.
Just it makes more sense it is.
It feels like a drama, it feelslike it's just not, it's just on
the verge of being real.
But then there's so many thingsthat happen that I go that
can't be real, that's got to befake, you know, and I just.
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But you just don't know wherethe line's drawn, because you
see the people, you see themback flipping off the top rope
and hitting somebody, but thenthey get up and they just go
right back to work the nextnight or the next day and you're
like, okay, that couldn't havebeen real, because I would be in
a hospital bed if I did that.
You know, and I think maybe thesame thing for politics when
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these people get knocked down,talk about each other, they I
don't want to say call eachother names, but then you see
them at an event the next dayand they're shaking hands and I
just I don't know how you coulddo that unless it wasn't all the
way real.
I don't, I don't know.
That's.
It makes more sense to mewhenever I put on my wrestling
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goggles and watched politics.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Well, I think Pierre and I we've talked about this
before previously that you know,pierre, and I really it's
probably I mean, it's probablyharder for me to speak up on
politics just because we don'twe kind of make a point to stay
clear of all that drama, to behonest, um, so I guess I'm not
overly well versed in everythingto know what everybody said,
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what they haven't said, whatthey stand for, what they don't
stand for, and maybe we shouldbe, um, you know, when we go to
vote and that sort of thing, andI'm not saying that we're right
.
But what makes it difficult forme is, like we've talked about
before, with the way that socialmedia and what's the word I'm
(29:23):
looking for, where they skew,yeah, like the algorithms, how
they can skew what you see, andlike all the things that can
just be fabricated andabsolutely not true.
It makes it hard for mepersonally to know what the
truth actually is.
I mean, they can make thingslook like somebody actually said
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something and make it.
You can watch a video of it andactually be completely false,
be completely false, and so it'sreally difficult, if I'm really
being honest, for me to go, oh,yeah, like this is why I don't
believe this or this is why Idon't believe that.
So I mean, I usually just gowith my gut.
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If I'm really being honest, Idon't always vote one way or the
other.
It's usually what I feel likeGod is leading me to in that
moment.
I pray before I vote and that'susually what happens for me,
but I don't know.
I'm not saying that's right orwrong, it's just my own personal
thing I wrote in King Josiah iswhat.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
I wrote in who ruled in Judah.
Josiah was eight years old whenhe became king and he reigned
in Jerusalem 31 years.
His mother was Jedidiah, thedaughter of Adiah from Baskoth.
He did what was pleasing in theLord's sight and followed the
example of his ancestor David.
He did not turn away from doingwhat is right.
Now listen to this, this iscool.
In the 18th year of his reign,king Josiah sent Shaphan, son of
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Azilah and grandson ofMahushalam, the court secretary
you know they do that the temple.
So that's really cool, you knowthey do that.
And then Hilki.
During this time, when theywere restoring the temple, hilki
, the high priest said toShaphan, the court secretary I
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have found the book of the lawof the Lord's temple.
And Hilki gave the scroll toShaphan and he read it.
Shaphan then went to the kingand reported your officials have
turned the money collected atthe temple of the Lord to the
workers and the supervisors ofthe temple.
And then Shaphan also told theking Hilkiah, the high priest,
or the priest, has given me ascroll.
So Shaphan read it to the king.
When the king heard what waswritten in the book of the law,
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he tore his clothes in despair.
Then he gave these orders toHilkiah, the priest, achan, the
son of Shaphan, achbor, the sonof Micah A lot of people
there—go to the temple and speakto the Lord.
For me and for the people andfor all of Judah, inquire about
the words written in this scrollthat has been found, for the
Lord's great anger is burningagainst us because our ancestors
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have not obeyed the words inthis scroll.
We have not been doingeverything that it says we must
do.
Now, that's a cool king man.
I'm sorry.
That's just a cool king becausehe's going contrary to what is
obviously being done in theirsociety and he says we got to
get back to what the Lord says.
And he's going.
So he's just making it amandate, making it a mandate.
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He's just making it a mandateMaking it a mandate.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Yeah, I mean, that's what you hope for in a leader.
It's just like it's good whenyou can turn to someone that
doesn't have their own interestand selfishness in mind, which
we're all kind of selfish first,honestly.
There's times where I look atthe King James version, which is
kind of the first version thatpeople point out, and I'm like,
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well, what if?
What if King James was likewhat you said, wes?
What if he?
What if he altered some ofthese translations to make
himself look well and perhapshis son's the like?
So I went to Geneva and I'mlooking at the Geneva and
looking at the differencebetween the Geneva Bible and Old
English and King James andagain, sometimes those are just
rabbit holes that go down, butit's good to really look at
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people that are not puttingthemselves first.
I think that's really one ofthe first traits that you can
look at and I feel like goodpeople there's, those that are
selfless and, you know, as God,like I said and as Jesus said,
you know, are willing to serveothers.
You know, the first, you knowmust become last.
Those type of people, I think,are the ones that draw me in the
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most.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Listen to what he did in.
Oh, is it 2 Kings 23?
I got to read this.
It trips me out, man.
This was one of those timeswhen I was listening to the
Bible.
That because I don't know aboutyou, but whenever you start
reading the Kings and everything, you just kind of get lost you
know what I mean, Especially thenames.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
like you're reading all the names, Bravo to you,
because I'd be like it'sscrolling through real fast.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Well you know I like to mumble and I like to make up
words, so it all kind of fitstogether.
You know it just.
It just does you make up words.
Then the King summoned all theelders of Judah and Jerusalem
and the king went up—and it'sstill Josiah—and the king went
up to the temple of the Lordwith all the people of Judah and
Jerusalem, along with thepriests and all the prophets,
all the people from the least tothe greatest.
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There the king read them—isn'tthat a cool crowd, by the way.
What seems like the mostimportant people, what seems
like the least important people?
He's there with them.
There the king read to them theentire book of the covenant
that had been found in theLord's temple.
The king took his place ofauthority beside the pillar and
renewed the covenant in theLord's presence.
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He pledged to obey the Lord bykeeping all his commands, laws
and decrees with all his heartand his soul.
In this way, he confirmed allthe terms of the covenant that
were written in the scroll, andall the people pledged
themselves to the covenant.
I wrote in King Josiah buddy,that's what I did, yeah, and
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that was so cool.
Then he just orders people togo and do these things.
Then the king instructed Hilkiah, the high priest and the priest
of the second rank, and thetemple gatekeepers to remove
from the Lord's temple all thearticles that were used to
worship Baal, asherah and allthe powers of the heavens.
The king had all these thingsburned outside of Jerusalem on
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the terraces of the KidronValley, and he carried the ashes
away to Bethel.
He did away with all theidolatrous priests who had been
appointed by the previous kingsof Judah, for they had offered
sacrifices at the pagan shrinesthroughout Judah and even in the
vicinity of Jerusalem.
They had also offeredsacrifices to Baal and to the
sun, the moon, theconstellations and to all the
powers of heavens.
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The king removed the Asherahpoles from the Lord's temple and
took it outside of Jerusalem tothe Kidron Valley where he
burned it.
Then he ground the ashes of thepole to dust and threw the dust
over the graves of the people.
He also tore down the livingquarters of the male and female
shrine prostitutes that wereinside the temple of the Lord,
where the women wove coveringsfor the Asherah poles.
Josiah brought to Jerusalem allthe priests who were living in
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other towns of Judah he defiled.
He also defiled the paganshrines where they had offered
sacrifices all the way from Gebato Beersheba.
He destroyed the shrines of theentrance of the gate of Joshua,
the governor of Jerusalem.
This gate was located just.
I mean just.
He was on a rampage to solidifythe country again in the Lord's
presence, you know, and to getrid of the evil things that we
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talk about on this podcast allthe time.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yeah, that was a lot of reading.
I'm not sure I can do anaudiobook now after that, but
you're right.
You're right.
That's kind of the leadershipthat you want.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
That was literally my .
That is the scripture that waspart of my Bible reading today.
Was it really?
Yeah, that's so crazy.
Like what are the odds?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah, you're reading that and I'm like this is nuts.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Who read it better?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
You did, because I didn't read it out loud this
morning.
I just read it, so you did, wes.
I was giving you a pass to lieread it out loud to this morning
.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I just read it, so you did, wes I was giving you a
pass to lie, even if you had to,michelle I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
That was not a lie.
You definitely read it betterwhat?
Speaker 1 (37:21):
and the cool thing?
And I won't read it.
Uh, because, pierre, you said Iread too much, but uh, when
josiah died, the the way thecountry reacted.
Well, I guess I got to read it.
I like to read it instead.
His servants took him out ofthe chariot, carried him to the
second chariot it was Josiahafter he died, got hit by an
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arrow and brought him toJerusalem where he died and was
buried in the tombs of hisfathers.
And all Judah and Jerusalemmourned for Josiah.
Then Jeremiah chanted theprophet Jeremiah and Jerusalem
mourned for Josiah.
Then Jeremiah chanted theprophet, jeremiah chanted a
lament for Josiah, and all themale and female singers speak
about Josiah in theirlamentations to this day, and
they made them an ordinance inIsrael.
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Behold, they are also writtenin the lamentations.
Just, they remembered him.
You know him in song.
They remembered him in poem.
They remembered him and theyelevated him because of how much
he elevated God.
And you can say what you wantand I don't want to say is Trump
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a changed man?
Because I know his past, I knowwhat he's done in the past.
Is he a changed man?
And now time will tell aboutanybody who claims to be a
follower of Christ and whetheror not they really are.
And we all have our, I guess,our rules for how somebody is
our standards for how somebodyhas to act whenever they do say
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that they're a follower ofChrist or a follower of God.
Whether that's Kamala Harris,Joe Biden, Donald Trump, whoever
it is, we have our standardthat hopefully we don't get on
our own, but we get from whatGod says a godly person should
be like.
So time will tell in thosethings, but Josiah definitely
seems to be one of thosecharacters.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Yeah, it reads as such.
So that's what I think.
So we hope to be right, Likewhen our time's gone.
We hope to probably have thatbig of an impact.
Who knows, we don't know whatthe Lord has in store, but you
kind of hope that folks feelthat way about you when you take
your last breath.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
I don't know what kind of song will be written
about me.
I'm working on that now.
I guess I need to think aboutthose things so what else been
going on in y'all's life sincethat time that was my life,
since last time we got togetherand talked and those kind of big
things that happened.
What's been going on up therein the northern part of the
world?
Speaker 3 (39:48):
hello.
We got a little bit of snow,which I didn't I didn't like,
but I mean we had some goodthings.
I don't know.
We got a little bit of snowwhich I didn't like.
I loved it.
I mean we had some good things.
We talked about the exchangeshooting and Michelle's still
doing well from the cancerbattle that we had.
She's still been in the clearnow, so we're doing well.
I actually thought there was asong that I've been playing a
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lot called Rich man and it's byForrest Frank.
He's a younger guy.
I like to feel young, he getsme kind of pumped up in the
world, but he has a song aboutrich man and it's just talking
about things that actually makeyou rich and it's your family,
the good God above you, peoplethat love you, the air in your
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lungs.
It actually got me and Michellethinking.
You think of the Bible.
It talks about the rich gettinginto heaven.
Wes, do you know what it saysabout the rich getting into
heaven?
Speaker 1 (40:42):
It's hard for them to do so.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
It's hard.
The thought process that we hadis is that rich like the money
rich, or is that rich inblessings?
What do you think on that, oris it?
Speaker 1 (40:57):
both, I think.
Jesus.
Well, some people wouldconsider blessings, richness,
you know, but I think when Jesusis talking about that, and when
we see him talking about it,it's rich people.
It's rich people.
It's like the rich young ruler,I think is exactly when that
one's being talked about and therich young ruler says, hey, I
do the tithes, I obey all theSabbaths, I keep the Passover, I
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do everything.
Can I follow you?
And he says, okay, Jesus says,all right, you haven't done one
thing, you haven't given up,give up all your treasures, and
then you can follow me.
And the guy turns and walksaway.
And that's, I think, when Jesussays you can?
You know it's harder for a richman to enter the kingdom of
heaven than for a camel to gothrough the eye of a needle.
I think that's did.
(41:43):
I say that right, I may havesaid that backwards.
No, you know that that was likean actual kind of rock there.
That was like an entrancewayinto a city, the eye of the
camel.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
You mean the eye of the needle.
Yeah, he explained like it'snot like a needle that you sew
with, like yes, he explainedthat and he's like it's
physically impossible, butnothing's impossible for God.
And but then he was.
He explained like rich meaning,it's a heart issue, like if
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you're not willing to give awayeverything that you have, then
it's a heart issue.
And God's what he's trying tosay is he's, he's looking for
your heart and I.
So I came home, cause Pierre hadto work this weekend and, um, I
was talking to him about it andI don't know I it just I get
(42:44):
what it's saying.
But then I'm like, so what doesthat mean?
Does that mean like we'resupposed to give away everything
that we have?
And like, if you look at theway the monks and the nuns live,
they don't have families, theydon't have really any worldly
possessions, they live inmonasteries or you know whatever
.
And I'm like, but and Iunderstand that and it seems
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like that's the biblical thing,but then when I look at it on
the other side of it, I'm like Iget really confused because I
feel like, okay, jesus didn'thave a wife and family, but God
gave Adam Eve as a partner.
And if everybody lived like themonks and the nuns, we wouldn't
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have any more people.
So I'm like I don't.
I guess my, I, just my brainsometimes can't absorb all of
that and figure out exactly whatthe right answer is, and maybe
that's just something betweenGod and I, but sometimes I
struggle.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Oh, you're waiting for me.
I was letting you go, Pierre.
I was going to let you saysomething.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Well, I don't know.
It's interesting because you do.
You look at Jesus and if youbelieve what it says, he was not
wed, he didn't have any kidsand I think part of the richness
I was talking about, I thinkthat can be a that can be a
hindrance in in the world, likeeven when you look at like Paul
(44:19):
and his letter to like theCorinthians he talks about.
You know if you can do it, ifyou can, you know, stay single,
it's best to to stay single.
But if you know you basicallycan't control your flesh, then
it's best to go ahead and marryversus.
You know sexual immorality andyou think about like what it's
tough, like what's tough toleave behind in the world.
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It's not usually money.
At the end of the day, for somepeople it might be, they might
be all about their money andtheir possessions, but
oftentimes it's the people, it'syour family, it's your children
, your wife, parents, everyonelooking at it, that's the
difficult part to leave.
But that's also part of thereason people feel like they're
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rich is because of the lovedones around.
So perhaps that's a hindrance.
You can't fully be devoted toJesus because you're too focused
on the people in your life andagain, that's another obstacle.
That's why I think it'spossible that we could be
talking about both, both afinancial rich standpoint and
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perhaps you know I don't knowwhat the other word is but just
a rich in blessings, rich inlove standpoint also.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Yeah, that's where I was struggling, because I'm like
are we just supposed to all belike homeless and not have
families, like I don't know?
But I get it because, like,we've had those sermons that say
you know where your heart is.
Like, if your heart is with,like your children are the most
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important thing, then those areyour idols, like.
So we're not supposed to havethose idols, so I don't know.
It's really tough.
This is one of those thingsthat will keep me awake at night
.
Wes.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
That dude that wanted to join forces with Jesus, who
had all that money that wouldhave made Jesus' ministry.
You know what I mean.
Jesus could have got the jetsthat he wanted.
You know, jesus could have gotthe cars, he could have got the
big building, and just hadeverybody come there and listen
to him.
And I say that just saying thatsometimes that's what it feels
like the preachers on today thatwe see, want or at least pursue
(46:35):
.
I'm sure they're pursuing otherthings too.
But Jesus turned that guy awaywhen, financially, his ministry
could have been set, which wasunique in my head.
I did, I did.
That clicked in my brain.
I was like wow, wow, he didn'thave what.
What does Jesus worry about?
If he doesn't worry about money, what does he worry about, you
(47:04):
know?
And I came home one day and Itold my wife I cannot believe
how much these people in theBible like the main characters
kind of thing, how much theydepended on God for everything.
And then you got Jesus tellinghis disciples early on hey, when
you go out, when I'm sendingyou out here, don't take nothing
with you.
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Just get the shoes on your feet, bring just one coat, and don't
even bring a walking stick,just go, just go.
God will provide everything foryou.
And that's just weird, you know.
I mean, how much do we pack?
How much— Don't ask thatquestion in my house will you.
So their dependence on God wasjust a strong one.
(47:47):
And then even Paul, peter,whenever you see them going
through Acts and everything, andwhen they write their books,
it's just such a dependence uponGod and it blew my mind.
But, michelle, to go to yourpoint, when you talk about well,
are we all supposed to do that?
I don't know.
Point, when you talk about well, are we all supposed to do that
(48:09):
?
I don't know.
When the children of Israelcame out of Egypt, they had a
lot.
They were provided for themfrom the Egyptians, but at the
same time they didn't have ahome.
They were wandering around thewilderness and due to the lack
of faith or obedience, they keptwandering around the wilderness
.
But God provided for them towear.
Their clothes didn't wear out,their shoes didn't wore out,
they always had food, that kindof stuff.
So you know, god provides forthem and I think each one of us
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have got different callings.
And Paul says that in Ephesians, chapter four, verse 11, he
gave some as apostles and someas prophets, some as evangelists
and some as pastors and some asteachers, for the equipping of
the saints, for the work of theservice, to the building up the
body of Christ until we allattain the unity of faith and
the knowledge of the Son of God,to a mature man, to the measure
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of the stature had to flip my,had to open my bag of chips
there, pierre which belongs tothe fullness of Christ.
And we all have our differenttalents, we all have our
different gifts, and sometimesthese verses and these messages
that Jesus say because theBible's living and active,
sharpened word of God, sharperthan any two-edged sword are
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going to hit us all in adifferent way to where we're led
to do one thing or another.
And there are some people whoare very successful businessmen,
who take care of the ministriesof some of the evangelists that
are going around now, who don'thave a lot and don't want a lot
.
They just look to get fed, andit seems like in the New
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Testament, that was happening alot.
Like Paul wouldn't take money,paul reiterates over and over
again hey, I didn't even takemoney from y'all, because I
didn't want y'all to think thatyou had to pay me.
So I was making tents, you know, I was working every day
because I didn't want to beaccused of taking money.
And so these people, though,have a—back in.
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I think it's 1 Timothy or 2Timothy.
They're talking about how thegreat blessings of these people
for taking care of theevangelists that were coming
into their area and how theevangelists brag about how much
they took care of them.
So there's definitely moneybeing moved around, but I think
the money seems to be beingmoved around to provide for
those who didn't have a lot, forthose who didn't have a lot.
(50:23):
So I think the word of God hitsus differently, but I think we
all can trust that God's goingto take care of us, no matter
how that word hits us, and wejust go for it.
Whatever that is, we go for it.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Ultimately, it comes down to a heart issue.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Possibly.
Yeah, I would agree yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
Yeah, yeah, I get it.
I mean it's ultimately like allyou have, like always go back
to things ecclesiastic.
It just opens up likeeverything's pointless, which
really is encouraging to knowthat everything's pointless.
But when you look at the, whenyou look at life like it, it's
(51:06):
one of the books of the Biblethat makes the most sense to me.
We try to tie in why thingshappen, why things are the way
they are, and if you just lookat it like everything's
pointless, you're just here tokind of love God and love, love
others, then it makes a lot moresense, um, in that standpoint,
(51:28):
um, to light things up.
So the other limitation thathas bothered me lately is in the
sports world, because I prayedabout a bunch of sports teams to
win games, be it Hoosiersbeating the Buckeyes, be it my
coats, my pacers, cubs, for 100years, and I don't.
(51:50):
I don't think God moves onsports.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
If I'm just being honest, he does because, let me
tell you, I prayed about thatlittle um that field goal yeah,
and that man listens, and thatman listened.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
I didn't set her up for that I was more of my own
sorrow with the Indiana Hoosiershere recently and how certain
teams win all the time theChiefs, you know the Dodgers,
and I'm like all right guys.
What are these people prayingthat I'm not praying?
Do I need to switch it up?
Or are you just like no, I'mnot touching sports, I don't
(52:28):
care about sports.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
And we could say well , what is sports?
Is it more worldly or is itmore godly?
Speaker 3 (52:36):
It's definitely worldly.
It's pointless right,Everything's pointless.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
It's fun, but it's pointless.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
It's kind of like listening to the podcast again
trying and it's kind of likelistening to the podcast again
trying to get in the routine oftrying to find a podcast I want
to like and going back to my oldpodcast and I was this is
useless, it's not anything tolearn about this or to learn
about that, and it really feltempty.
But then, Pierre, that alsoprovides a platform.
Provides a platform for like uh, you know some Chinese kid that
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was sleeping on people's sofasto come into Madison square
garden and have Linsanity for alittle while.
And you know it, it providesopportunities for a homeschool
kid that doesn't even have aplace to play and the parents
have to fight for his rights tobe able to play football, and uh
um, uh, some type of schedulewhere other kids are playing
football, and then all of asudden we hear about Tim Tebow,
(53:30):
you know, winning the HeismanTrophies and stuff, and it just
provides opportunities,platforms for that.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Like Jameis Winston the other night.
That was amazing.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
I just feel like someone like Tebow should have
won.
He should have been Brady, inmy opinion.
I know that wasn't the case,you know he got another calling,
but some of my thought processis like Tim's a guy Like Tim
Tebow's a guy Like you want himleading, he speaks to Christ, he
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shares the word, like that'ssomeone I feel is deserving of
winning the most Super Bowls.
And he could barely make it inthe NFL Again.
God's plan could have beendifferent for him.
He may have lost his way, losthis track, I don't know, but
those are just kind of thethings that run through my mind.
Wouldn't it be great to havethat person still in the NFL
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ministering to others?
And he still is, you know,probably ministering to more
than he would in sports.
But I feel like the sportsworld in general needs those
type of people because they'rekind of getting frowned upon.
If we're being honest, tebowgot made fun of, carson Wentz
got made fun of.
They even used to call likeTony Dungy soft because he
wasn't going in locker roomscussing at players and stuff
(54:46):
along those lines.
But I don't know, it'sinteresting.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
But I do feel like it's becoming more prevalent.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
Yeah that's true, no, and it makes those people stand
out from the crowd and givestheir testimony, I think, a
stronger foothold, because theydo have to stand up to that
stuff and stand up for Christand we all have to, though, in
some degree and it gives us allencouragement whenever we see
other people doing so in what wewould consider a much more
(55:14):
important environment than thebread world or the phone world
or wherever we work.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
Don't shortchange yourself, Wes.
I think it's all important.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
Well, I do too, and that's kind of the point is that
when we see these people inthese prominent positions,
excelling With all the what wewould say evil around them and
everything, we could say, ohwell, if they could do it, we
could do it too, you know sothat that's important to see, I
think.
Speaker 2 (55:41):
All right.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
That's.
That's an hour.
That's all we need.
That's important to see, Ithink.
All right, that's an hour.
That's all we got time for.
We can barely get in here.
But I want to encourageeverybody if you like what
you're hearing, just take amoment.
Take a moment, please Stop whatyou're doing right now.
Pull over to the side of theroad.
If you got to, don't do itwhile you're driving.
Pull in a parking lot orsomething and just like the show
a little review, give us alittle comment along the way.
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That really helps the show getout to other people.
We have some plans for nextyear on how you guys can
participate in an event with us.
Possibly we're working on somethings and hopefully we can get
around to this and have you dothat.
But in the meantime you canalways leave some kind of review
.
You can leave some kind ofquestion on whatever listening
platform you listen to the showon.
(56:24):
Pierre said you could send atext as well and I'll let you,
pierre, tell them how they cando that and get in touch with us
other ways.
Speaker 3 (56:30):
Yeah, so on Twitter, whatever you want to call it
these days is at FindingFaithPodEmail.
Gmail is at FindingFaith,LosingSleep at Gmailcom.
Yeah, do the summary.
Whenever you see a summary ofany of our podcast episodes,
there should be an option tosend a text message if you want
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Definitely, if you feel it inyour heart to leave reviews,
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leave stars.
That gets the podcast out thereto more people.
It's been amazing.
We've hit, I think, 28countries or so, which pretty
shocks me.
I didn't think we hit anotherstate that wasn't like a family
member state.
So to have 28 countries is justamazing.
So thank you for those that havetaken the time to listen in the
past or if you're just comingacross us now.
(57:14):
Appreciate you taking some timeto listen to us now.
And just season of thankfulnessright.
We got Thanksgiving coming up,thankful for all the listeners,
thankful for my family, my wifeand her health right now.
Thank you for you, wes, andjust your partnership and all
this, and it's just a season ofgratitude.
So shouldn't be just a season.
It should be at all times rightContent in every circumstance.
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But I do want to say thanks tothose that tune in and give us a
chance and listen to us.
Just talk the word, talk faith.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
Ready chance and listen to us.
Just talk the word talk faithyes, ready, ready, ready.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
Maybe not, maybe not getting that was pretty good.
Speaker 2 (57:53):
Wes, honestly, that's pretty good you weren't ready,
hold on I think, the first onewas better that one sounds good.
Speaker 3 (58:00):
I'm not gonna do it, just so you're aware.
But it's gonna be funny, funnyif someone skips ahead and
that's all they hear.
I'm not listening to this again.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
We appreciate all you listeners, we're thankful for
you and we ask that you willcome back again and listen to us
as we ramble on about otherthings as well.
And we ask you one more thingKeep praying for us and we'll
keep praying for you.
it's time to wake up and pray up here.
On the finding faith and losingsleep podcast, the thanksgiving
day edition.
I think this will be releasedprobably thanksgiving day,
pierre and michelle, don't you?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
it might be earlier, might be the day before.
We'll see how the editing goes.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
But see how motivated here is.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
It's hard to get motivation when you get closer
to holiday well, it's tuesday,so I'm just, you know, I think
you can get it done within twodays and then people have it, be
able to travel down the road.
I'm bouncing right now becausethat's how all my cars kind of
seem to go.
There's bounce.
I don't know how, what theroads are like in indiana, but
these are these roads down herein alabama.
Sometimes they can get a littlebit bouncy.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I mean we got shocks in our cars up here, but it gets
worse after the winter when allthe potholes develop from all
the plows and the ice that'skind of melted into the roads
and been dug up.
Yeah, that's the truth.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
We're going to use this podcast time just to kind
of catch up with one another.
It's been a minute since we'vebeen able to get together.
Life just kind of gets in theway of the podcasting family
here, the podcasting trio thatyou know and love on the Finding
Faith and Losing Sleep podcast.
I'm Wes Easley, one of yourhosts at Loafing it on Twitter.
That is Michelle as well overon Twitter.
What's your Go Pack?
Go 411, right 411.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Go Pack, go 411.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
There it is, and that is Pierre, her husband, on the
other end, there as well, atPeeWee31, over on Twitter, and
Pierre, I have no idea what thepodcast feed is.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Well, twitter is at FindingFaithPod On Twitter.
There we have an email you canreach out to us on at
FindingFaith LosingSleep atgmailcom.
We're on all the standardplatforms when it comes to
podcasting Apple Podcasts,spotify, iheartradio.
You can send us a text.
You know do the actual summaryof each podcast as well.
(01:56):
If you want to send us a textmessage, we're out there, we're
available.
Feel free to reach out if anyquestions, prayer requests,
thoughts concerns.
Don't praise me.
Free to reach out if anyquestions, prayer requests,
thoughts concerns if there's anyconcerns, don't praise me, you
can praise me.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
I don't mean for us, I mean for like their life
Praises yeah, send praises.
Yeah, that's good.
You can send praise my way,that's fine with me.
Listen, we are on this podcastjust to kind of give our
thoughts.
We've been described as justsitting back with like a cup of
coffee, talking about life,biblical things all around, a
biblical worldview kind of athought, and so that's what we
do.
We just bring a nice friendlylittle atmosphere in talking
(02:36):
about these things and hopefullydeconstruct walls that have
been built up over our time inpeople's lives that, hey, we
can't talk about politics, hey,we can't talk about religion,
hey, we can't talk aboutwhatever it is.
Yes, we can, we can talk aboutit.
Still be friends.
We don't agree all the time onthis podcast at all, so it's
good to have those kind of talks.
And one of the things I wasthinking about, Pierre and
(02:57):
Michelle, that I did since thelast time we got together and I
think I probably alluded to itover this year I started in
March doing a Bible readingprogram, a chronological Bible
reading program, and instead ofreading I have a lot of downtime
in a bread truck or while I'mdoing work and everything by
myself.
(03:18):
So I listened to it and Ilistened to the New Living
Translation.
Some people go oh, that's notthe right kind of translation,
you need the King James Version.
I don't know why they talk likethat, but that's what— I don't
either.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I don't either.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
You need the King James Version, but New Living
Translation it just read well,okay.
And there was a young man onthere who was very passionate
about what he was reading andthat was cool to hear the young
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man speak passionately aboutwhat he was reading.
And that was cool to hear theyoung man speak passionately
about what the Bible said and itwas really neat to listen to
those things and I think that Ilisten.
Would it be auditory?
Do I learn?
Well, auditorially, is that amade-up word.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I'm not your word expert.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I haven't heard it before Another Wes-ism.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So I think I learned well listening and maybe I don't
learn as well like reading itand picking it up and stuff like
that.
And I don't think I learned aswell watching it, because I want
to flip the channel, but whileI was doing this I could just
listen to it and, man, itedified me.
I was fired up and I washearing things that I'd never
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heard before and having it makesense, if that makes any sense
to you.
I mean, I've read through theBible before, I've read all
these passages, but I'd neverlistened to it quite like this,
and so that was exciting for me.
I don't know if you guys haveever been on that journey or not
, but it was very exciting to me.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Well, I've been doing like read the Bible in a year
and there have been times I'vemissed, and so I just try to
jump back in and I find that Ido best if I read myself.
But I, if I read it out loud,like if I speak it and hear, so
I see it and I hear it at thesame time.
For me, that helps metremendously, because if I just
(05:06):
read it I find myself likeglossing over stuff and then I
have to go back and be like what, what the world did?
I just read?
Um, if I just hear it,sometimes it's difficult because
my brain likes to do about50,000 things a minute, so in in
many different.
So I'll inevitably go off onsome tangent and realize I'm not
(05:26):
paying attention to what'sbeing said.
So I think it helps my brain tofocus and really reinforce it
if I'm doing two of those atonce and for me that works.
What about you?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
So I read it.
I read the NIV version lastyear in a year.
I did it chronologically.
I found a calendar, I printedit out and it was supposed to be
chronological I guess.
I don't know for sure if it was, but I took it at its word.
I have the one year Bible aswell, but it's also the NIV, so
I probably would look at anotherversion if I could.
(06:02):
I didn't read it.
It was a little mixed Like.
Sometimes I read it out loud tomyself and sometimes I just,
you know, read in my mindmentally and it's tough because
certain parts of it, honestly,will put me to sleep.
Eyes will get a little heavy,you know, reading it.
When it comes to the audiobooksI haven't really attempted to.
(06:23):
A few that you get is like thatreal, proper English guy
reading it off to you and itjust doesn't seem genuine for
some reason.
Oh, how did I do?
It just doesn't follow.
Maybe, if I found the rightversion, I could do an audio.
I do prefer to listen.
I'm easily distracted.
(06:43):
I get tired of reading prettyquickly, unless it's like a
children's book or somethingthat's quick, uh, short and to
the point.
So I think I would probably dowell with an audiobook if I gave
it a shot was it the bibleproject that you?
yeah, I like the bible project.
I've done that.
Um, they have like littlevideos and little little comic
strips that they kind of drawout and kind of tell the story
(07:04):
to.
Those are so cool Then you candive into like different recaps
and stuff of each of thosesections.
So I've done that as well.
And there's some other likebooks that I've done, from what
was the latest one we did amiracles book from, I think it's
Jeff Little, a couple of manlybooks from man's conferences so
I can read.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I just I prefer not to read.
If I'm being honest, he's beenreading the lost books of the
Bible too.
So let me tell you when he goesdown that rabbit hole, those
are some really interestingconferences.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Oh yeah, the book of wisdom.
I don't know if you've heard ofthat.
It's a.
It's an interesting thing, butit's it's dangerous to read
certain things, so I don't bringthem up because I don't want
people down the same rabbitholes I go down.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
No, and I started trying to listen to my app, so I
finished it.
I finished it like a monthearlier.
Here's the thing I started it inMarch when, I should have
started it in January, but mygoal was to still finish it by
the end of the year.
So I was like, yeah, I was likethree months behind, but I
didn't realize that until I wasgoing through my my, my.
It kind of gives you a littleRolodex of how far along you are
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on the plan and everything andit would say like I was 28 days
ahead of schedule or something,or 10 days ahead of schedule.
And I was like, hey, all right,I'm doing well, I'm catching up
to this thing.
And then I realized it wasmeaning if I finished in March,
not if I finished in December.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Oh, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, it did.
So I was like, oh man, I amlike I started out 90 days
behind and I'm only 20.
I'm 60 days behind is what Iwas thinking, right.
And so what I would do is I'dhave like my little routines I
would listen to a fantasyfootball podcast, I would listen
to a fantasy football podcast,pierre.
I'd listen to a fantasyfootball podcast on the way to
work, right, 20-minute drive,something like that, and then
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during the day I would still mixin the different podcasts that
I would listen to, or whatever.
But on my way home, a 20-minutedrive back to the warehouse
after I finished up my job, Iwould listen to the Bible thing,
and then I would listen to thatuntil I got home.
So I'd get like two or three ina day, something like that.
But I was still very far behindfrom finishing up in March, and
(09:16):
so I went okay, all right, I'mgoing to change up my routine a
little bit, so, getting towardsthe end of football season
anyway.
So I started listening to itafter I got done, coming back to
the area that I work in in myBig Bowl bread truck, and I
started listening to it thereand all of a sudden, I started
listening to 10, 12 a day and Icouldn't get enough.
(09:36):
It wasn't like, and it wasn't,I got to get this done.
I got to get this done beforeDecember.
It was I want to do this, Ineed more of this.
It just became electrifying.
It was filling me upspiritually and so it was really
cool to have that feeling in me.
And then I finished, and Ifinished like last week, and so
now I'm done a month and a halfearly and I'm going well, now
(10:01):
what?
And so I just said, oh, I'lljust, I'll just go back to my
routine, I guess, and startlistening to podcasts.
You start back over.
Well, yeah, the podcasts soundso empty.
There's nothing to them.
It's empty words.
It's not fruitful.
It's not fruitful for me.
(10:22):
Yeah, it makes sense sense.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
And we'll circle back for a second.
Because you say you started inmarch and one of my rabbit hoes,
if you find an old bible, itactually starts in march.
So you may have started righton time.
Um, because if you start inmarch, all of a sudden, like
you're you're we talked aboutthis your, your months, make
more sense what your, your decos, your octos and all that
(10:45):
actually being like you're andyour ten, so you may have
started right on time with withthat.
But I understand what thepodcast I've.
I've done that too and even now, like it's hard for me to to
even listen to, like whencertain choice words like come
up in a podcast.
You know some foul languagehere there.
I mean it kind of turns me off.
If it's just all that or peoplejust going on a rant, I'm like,
(11:05):
all right, I'm not going tolisten to this anymore.
You do change over time.
If you really have a change ofheart on things, it can change
what you bring in, what you takein, what you listen to, what
you watch, etc.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Go ahead, Wes I was going to say, when I was a young
Christian and I was setting therules for the household kind of
a thing and TV shows or moviesor anything like that, in an
episode or in a movie I didn'tknow how to kind of handle the
swear words and all that.
But I knew I probably shouldn'tbe watching too many shows with
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swear words because if theyswear then it goes down some
other place and everything itleads into.
Debauchery is what it leadsinto, and so I don't know a
whole lot outside of the sportsworld, pierre.
So I just said a three strikesand it's out or it's off.
So if it hit three times, itwas off, it was out, it was done
, and that's just kind of how Idid it.
That's smart.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, I don't know if it's smart, it's what we did.
I'll give you credit, wes, it'ssmart.
Yeah, I was just.
It's funny you say that becauseI was literally just thinking,
as I was driving the girls toschool and like heading back
this week, how very differentour lives are, even just like my
life, for sure, but like ourlife even as a couple, um, as a
(12:31):
family, since since we've beenbaptized, like since we made the
decision to go to churchregularly and and, to you know,
listen to christian music, andlike that kind of thing.
If I really look at it, it'svastly different.
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
She still went to see Pitbull and T-Pain in concert.
So don't let her fool you.
It is different, because Ididn't have much interest in
going to that at all.
It's just not my cup of teaanymore.
I don't know.
You just get around people youused to hang out with and the
things that they do you're justnot interested in.
So it is like it's a, it's alife change and it's what it
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says, right.
It says you're supposed to beborn again and I think that kind
of plays a part of it.
Like you, you're changed, oryou're at least working on
changing, and and you're notsupposed to cause another person
to stumble, another believer tostumble.
So you work on making betterdecisions yourselves, and if you
surround yourself with thosetype of people as well, they're
going to work on helping you notstumble too.
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And it does.
It becomes a life change andit's pretty interesting when you
look back on it.
That's why I say there's a songthat says if you knew me, me,
then you believe me now.
And I've always looked back onthat, because I can look back on
my old self and be like if youknew what I used to do and who I
was like, you believe me thatthat something changed my life.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Definitely, and it should have a dramatic change in
a lot of cases.
And it's one of those thingsthat evolves and you evolve with
it as you learn other things,and you evolve with it as you
learn other things.
And for me it's always seeingother people and seeing how
families handle stuff and seeingwhat families do and knowing
that I'm not the only one whoabstains from the evil on
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television or abstains from thethings that people are listening
to.
I'm not the only one and itkind of gives you a little power
whenever you know that you'renot the only one.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
And I can't tell you like new artists today.
I honestly couldn't.
I know some, but I, I sung, I'mlike I have no idea what's the
hip.
What's hip?
Right now?
I have no idea what's it,unless it's christian music.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
It's probably not us I used to listen to the top 40
or the top 20 countdown just tojust to kind of stay a little
bit relevant and sound like agoofy guy that come in there
singing a song.
The only reason why I did itwas to start a conversation with
somebody.
You know, that's the onlyreason why I would do it.
Now I can just remember doing acouple of times just singing a
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certain song that would.
I just heard my bread truckgoing into a store because the
way I look at it is, I'm aminister in whatever store it is
that I go into, right, they maynever, ever, ever have anybody
who is relatively close totrying to be like Jesus in their
life.
So I try to do that.
And then I might introduce whatI'm going to say with some kind
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of top 40 song that's in thereappropriately, like I don't, I
just do it.
And they'll look at me like howdo you know that song, wes?
And because they know myreputation or whatever, and I
say, ah, I just did it just toget you to smile.
And then I'd start aconversation like from there.
So that's what I would do.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, I'm not doing that.
I don't know, I wouldn't beable to.
I'd probably make a fool ofmyself trying to trying to come
up with even some songs that,like my daughter does a pretty
good job she's she's kind ofinto Christian music too, but
she has something that she'llstart playing.
I'm just like what is this like?
What's the the twang you likebefore?
I'm like what are you listening?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
to.
But the girl doesn't even likecountry music and that's like
the most country song.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
The Easter on, I guess, yeah, that's not me.
I'm not just going to walk up.
There's not a song, I don'tknow.
I'm not going to act like I'msomething else to please anybody
, not saying that's what you'redoing, but it's just my style.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I just do it to get their attention.
They'll just snap their neckand they're like what, what are
you doing?
1 Peter 2, verse 11 saysBeloved, I urge you, as aliens
and strangers, to abstain fromfleshly lusts which wage war
against the soul.
Keep your behavior excellentamong the Gentiles so that in
the thing in which they slanderyou as evildoers, they may, on
account of your good deeds asthey observe them, glorify God
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in the day of visitation.
So I think that's irrelevant towhat we're talking about as far
as not being like the world,but at the same time, you know
we're in the world.
So it's always a little bitcomplicated in that.
And speaking about being in theworld, the last time we got
together it was pre-election.
Now it's post-election here inthe United States.
I say that because the podcasthas been popular all over the
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world.
Pierre is what you tell me.
So I make sure that people know.
that's in the United States, andit made me start thinking of
you know what's the best way fora country to have leadership?
I know the United States.
You know we got the president,the vice president, then you got
Congress and you got Senate.
You got all these differentthings in order for a law to
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pass or whatever, and it soundsgood.
It sounds good.
It also sounds like things thatneed to be done can get mucked
up in all the red tape too.
Maybe some things just don'tever get done because there's
just too many hands inside oftrying to get things done, and
some people don't want it done,some people do want it done and
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maybe what the people actuallywant don't ever get done.
And so I've just been thinkingabout what's the best kind of
leadership for a country.
Is it I don't want to saydemocracy, because I'm blessed
to live in the United States.
It's a great country, we have alot of great things.
But then I start wondering whatabout people who have like a
king?
Because that's what the Biblehas a bunch of kings in it, and
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a king is really looking out fornot only his best interest but
also the best interest of hisson who would inherit the
kingdom, and then it's aperpetual thing where they're
maybe trying to do the thingsright so that their son will
inherit a good kingdom and aprofitable kingdom, and you want
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to have the people behind youand behind your son instead of
trying to kick you out or tryingto sabotage the kingdom or
anything like that.
I've just been trying to thinkabout that.
I don't know what are y'all'sthoughts.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Well, I actually it's funny because you know we've
talked that we have a foreignexchange student with us and I
asked her one day when we were,when I was taking her to school
I was like so what does yourgovernment look like?
And she said it's very similarto here.
Like right now they haveelected officials, um, but she
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also I don't.
I guess I don't really want tomisspeak, but I think it's been
a while since we had thisconversation.
I'm pretty sure she said thatthat's probably going away.
Um, so I don't, I don't wanthim to speak, but, um, it was.
I thought it was interestingthat she said said that
currently they're kind of likeus, because I just wasn't sure.
(19:29):
I mean some you know countriesover in Europe, you don't know
what that looks like, and so Ijust wondered like I know she
had some issues getting the okayto come here because they
thought she might not come back.
I think is what she said.
So she had some issues at theembassy getting cleared for the
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whole year.
She had to give them a returndate, something like that.
I don't think we necessarilyrun into those issues here.
So it's interesting it's.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
It's tough because I mean, you've seen the kings, as
you say, the queens, in certaincountries.
We see history of likedictatorships and kind of how
that's played out and you know,I think that's one of the
questions that so we had talkedabout a little bit pre-show.
It's like limitations and ifyou feel like God has any
limitations, I think when youtalk about things of the world,
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like how much do you feel likeGod would get involved?
And election is kind of part ofthat.
So there's praying people thatyou know pray for the Democrats.
There's praying people thatpray for Republicans and there's
a half of that group that feltlike their prayers may not have
been answered but we talkedabout.
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We always try to back whoever'sin office.
But I think the democracy is aa good balance, because I don't
think you ever want you everwant something to be one way
only.
Well, all or nothing.
Yeah, I don't think it can beall or nothing, I think I think
that's that's kind of the wholefree will process to me.
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So I think free will in my mind, like we could have easily I've
been made like robots rightwhere we had no choice, but god
didn't, didn't feel that way hefelt to have free will, where we
have a choice to to choose himor not to choose him, and I
think that's just.
I know that's where some of thequestions go in.
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At um you talked about Americabeing a great country.
I would agree, but I honestly,I personally I'd be lying if I
said I didn't struggle with theMake America Great Again
campaign itself.
Because what does that mean?
Because to certain people itmeans different things.
What period are you talkingabout?
Some folks say the 60s.
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Well, we were fighting forrights in the 60s, being Blacks.
We were fighting for rights inthe 60s being Blacks.
You know Martin Luther King hada speech and movements.
Some say the 70s.
You know that's a period oflove and peace, but you know
also drugs and stuff along thoselines.
So it's just tough.
Because making America greatagain, I feel like it's going to
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be different to differentpeople.
Because to some people Americawas great when slavery was
happening and a certain thingwas taking place over the
country.
Certain people was like the 80sand 90s, just because it felt a
little more relaxed.
But that could have just beenbecause we didn't have social
media and platforms to show ushow crazy the world actually was
, then it really makes you thinkwhat does what does god, you
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know?
What does he control, what doeshe try to control and what does
he kind of just give us freereign on um when it comes to
worldly things like likepoliticians and elections?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
well, I get what you're saying about, great again
, because it's like in in whoseopinion?
Right, but it says but I, Iguess I take that a little bit
different in that I feel likewe've had such a in my opinion.
So, in my opinion, I feel likewe've had such a downslide of
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just I don't know we talkedabout before, like in the 80s
when we had elections.
It was, it wasn't such a likebackstabbing, like calling names
at each other's throats andslander type thing, legit debate
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on topics and seemed like mostof the time with in an ethical
kind way, right, and I feel likewe've had such a downside of
just all of that.
It's been not great yeah so Idon't think it's meaning go back
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to a perfect time, becausethere never has been one and
there never will be one.
Yeah, but back to hopefully wecan get to a place where we're
actually united again and not sodivided.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I mean, yeah, but I think that, but that's not one
person.
That campaign kind of startedthe.
It started the disconnect, inmy opinion, and that's like the
Hillary Trump ordeal.
I felt like that's when itreally kind of picked up some,
at least in my opinion, with thedisconnect.
And I think the problem that alot have with Trump in
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particular is a lot of hisfollowers.
They play the race card some Ican speak to this a little bit
just because I'mAfrican-American, I have family
and I hear conversations.
So there's a race card played.
So to some again not all tosome make America great again is
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like get rid of women, get ridof blacks.
That's not necessarily the case, but that's what some think and
there's no dispelling of thatthink and there's no dispelling
of that.
As a leader, you could easilycome out and say no, that's not
this, that's not what ourcampaign is, that's not what's
taking place, and I personallydon't know if that's happened
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and I think that's where a lotof concern comes from with the
campaign in general.
But on the flip side, I thinkthe Democrats try to play that
Like.
I don't think it was acoincidence that Biden got
pushed out and all of a suddenthere's a black woman running
against Trump.
I don't think she's IndianIndian.
Well, she's part black, so butI'm just saying they try to play
the card and things start tohappen.
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Man, like crazy stuff starts tohappen around election time
where a lot of racial tensiongets involved, and I don't know.
You just wonder With me.
It's like could God step in anddo anything Same with the gun
violence with school?
We all got kids in school andgun violence doesn't seem to be
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going anywhere.
It just pops up here and there.
But you know we sit and we pray.
Is there something that he cando, he being God, to kind of put
a halt to all this?
Or is he kind of just outsidethe world with limitations, is
kind of my question there.
What?
Speaker 1 (26:27):
are your thoughts, wes?
I don't think he haslimitations.
I don't Maybe that might be awall built up in my brain, but I
just don't think he haslimitations.
I think he could do a lot.
Now I'm not going to take thingsout of his hands or out of his
control, to kind of fit thenarrative.
You know what I mean.
I'm not going to do thatbecause if I give him credit
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when I just see God working inmy life one way or another,
whether it's good or whetherit's bad or whatever, I'm not
going to say he doesn't controlall things, because the Bible
reiterates that severaldifferent times.
So I think that that's the case.
I understand what everybodysays and all their thoughts and
I love to hear them.
I love to hear the thoughtsbecause I need to expand my mind
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to hear what other people thinkabout, and I definitely
appreciate a perspective likeyours, pierre, or yours,
michelle, or or even an Indianwoman like Kamala Harris's.
It's and I've said this beforeand I'll say it again, I'll say
it many times Politics justmakes so much more sense
(27:31):
whenever I put on my wrestlinggoggles and I just my glasses,
and I will look at it like I'mwatching the WWE and it.
Just it makes more sense it is.
It feels like a drama, it feelslike it's just not, it's just on
the verge of being real.
But then there's so many thingsthat happen that I go that
can't be real, that's got to befake, you know, and I just.
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But you just don't know wherethe line's drawn, because you
see the people, you see themback flipping off the top rope
and hitting somebody, but thenthey get up and they just go
right back to work the nextnight or the next day and you're
like, okay, that couldn't havebeen real, because I would be in
a hospital bed if I did that.
You know, and I think maybe thesame thing for politics when
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these people get knocked down,talk about each other, they I
don't want to say call eachother names, but then you see
them at an event the next dayand they're shaking hands and I
just I don't know how you coulddo that unless it wasn't all the
way real.
I don't, I don't know.
That's.
It makes more sense to mewhenever I put on my wrestling
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goggles and watched politics.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Well, I think Pierre and I we've talked about this
before previously that you know,pierre, and I really it's
probably I mean, it's probablyharder for me to speak up on
politics just because we don'twe kind of make a point to stay
clear of all that drama, to behonest, um, so I guess I'm not
overly well versed in everythingto know what everybody said,
(29:01):
what they haven't said, whatthey stand for, what they don't
stand for, and maybe we shouldbe, um, you know, when we go to
vote and that sort of thing, andI'm not saying that we're right
.
But what makes it difficult forme is, like we've talked about
before, with the way that socialmedia and what's the word I'm
(29:23):
looking for, where they skew,yeah, like the algorithms, how
they can skew what you see, andlike all the things that can
just be fabricated andabsolutely not true.
It makes it hard for mepersonally to know what the
truth actually is.
I mean, they can make thingslook like somebody actually said
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something and make it.
You can watch a video of it andactually be completely false,
be completely false, and so it'sreally difficult, if I'm really
being honest, for me to go, oh,yeah, like this is why I don't
believe this or this is why Idon't believe that.
So I mean, I usually just gowith my gut.
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If I'm really being honest, Idon't always vote one way or the
other.
It's usually what I feel likeGod is leading me to in that
moment.
I pray before I vote and that'susually what happens for me,
but I don't know.
I'm not saying that's right orwrong, it's just my own personal
thing I wrote in King Josiah iswhat.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
I wrote in who ruled in Judah.
Josiah was eight years old whenhe became king and he reigned
in Jerusalem 31 years.
His mother was Jedidiah, thedaughter of Adiah from Baskoth.
He did what was pleasing in theLord's sight and followed the
example of his ancestor David.
He did not turn away from doingwhat is right.
Now listen to this, this iscool.
In the 18th year of his reign,king Josiah sent Shaphan, son of
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Azilah and grandson ofMahushalam, the court secretary
you know they do that the temple.
So that's really cool, you knowthey do that.
And then Hilki.
During this time, when theywere restoring the temple, hilki
, the high priest said toShaphan, the court secretary I
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have found the book of the lawof the Lord's temple.
And Hilki gave the scroll toShaphan and he read it.
Shaphan then went to the kingand reported your officials have
turned the money collected atthe temple of the Lord to the
workers and the supervisors ofthe temple.
And then Shaphan also told theking Hilkiah, the high priest,
or the priest, has given me ascroll.
So Shaphan read it to the king.
When the king heard what waswritten in the book of the law,
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he tore his clothes in despair.
Then he gave these orders toHilkiah, the priest, achan, the
son of Shaphan, achbor, the sonof Micah A lot of people
there—go to the temple and speakto the Lord.
For me and for the people andfor all of Judah, inquire about
the words written in this scrollthat has been found, for the
Lord's great anger is burningagainst us because our ancestors
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have not obeyed the words inthis scroll.
We have not been doingeverything that it says we must
do.
Now, that's a cool king man.
I'm sorry.
That's just a cool king becausehe's going contrary to what is
obviously being done in theirsociety and he says we got to
get back to what the Lord says.
And he's going.
So he's just making it amandate, making it a mandate.
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He's just making it a mandateMaking it a mandate.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Yeah, I mean, that's what you hope for in a leader.
It's just like it's good whenyou can turn to someone that
doesn't have their own interestand selfishness in mind, which
we're all kind of selfish first,honestly.
There's times where I look atthe King James version, which is
kind of the first version thatpeople point out, and I'm like,
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well, what if?
What if King James was likewhat you said, wes?
What if he?
What if he altered some ofthese translations to make
himself look well and perhapshis son's the like?
So I went to Geneva and I'mlooking at the Geneva and
looking at the differencebetween the Geneva Bible and Old
English and King James andagain, sometimes those are just
rabbit holes that go down, butit's good to really look at
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people that are not puttingthemselves first.
I think that's really one ofthe first traits that you can
look at and I feel like goodpeople there's, those that are
selfless and, you know, as God,like I said and as Jesus said,
you know, are willing to serveothers.
You know, the first, you knowmust become last.
Those type of people, I think,are the ones that draw me in the
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most.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Listen to what he did in.
Oh, is it 2 Kings 23?
I got to read this.
It trips me out, man.
This was one of those timeswhen I was listening to the
Bible.
That because I don't know aboutyou, but whenever you start
reading the Kings and everything, you just kind of get lost you
know what I mean, Especially thenames.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
like you're reading all the names, Bravo to you,
because I'd be like it'sscrolling through real fast.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Well you know I like to mumble and I like to make up
words, so it all kind of fitstogether.
You know it just.
It just does you make up words.
Then the King summoned all theelders of Judah and Jerusalem
and the king went up—and it'sstill Josiah—and the king went
up to the temple of the Lordwith all the people of Judah and
Jerusalem, along with thepriests and all the prophets,
all the people from the least tothe greatest.
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There the king read them—isn'tthat a cool crowd, by the way.
What seems like the mostimportant people, what seems
like the least important people?
He's there with them.
There the king read to them theentire book of the covenant
that had been found in theLord's temple.
The king took his place ofauthority beside the pillar and
renewed the covenant in theLord's presence.
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He pledged to obey the Lord bykeeping all his commands, laws
and decrees with all his heartand his soul.
In this way, he confirmed allthe terms of the covenant that
were written in the scroll, andall the people pledged
themselves to the covenant.
I wrote in King Josiah buddy,that's what I did, yeah, and
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that was so cool.
Then he just orders people togo and do these things.
Then the king instructed Hilkiah, the high priest and the priest
of the second rank, and thetemple gatekeepers to remove
from the Lord's temple all thearticles that were used to
worship Baal, asherah and allthe powers of the heavens.
The king had all these thingsburned outside of Jerusalem on
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the terraces of the KidronValley, and he carried the ashes
away to Bethel.
He did away with all theidolatrous priests who had been
appointed by the previous kingsof Judah, for they had offered
sacrifices at the pagan shrinesthroughout Judah and even in the
vicinity of Jerusalem.
They had also offeredsacrifices to Baal and to the
sun, the moon, theconstellations and to all the
powers of heavens.
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The king removed the Asherahpoles from the Lord's temple and
took it outside of Jerusalem tothe Kidron Valley where he
burned it.
Then he ground the ashes of thepole to dust and threw the dust
over the graves of the people.
He also tore down the livingquarters of the male and female
shrine prostitutes that wereinside the temple of the Lord,
where the women wove coveringsfor the Asherah poles.
Josiah brought to Jerusalem allthe priests who were living in
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other towns of Judah he defiled.
He also defiled the paganshrines where they had offered
sacrifices all the way from Gebato Beersheba.
He destroyed the shrines of theentrance of the gate of Joshua,
the governor of Jerusalem.
This gate was located just.
I mean just.
He was on a rampage to solidifythe country again in the Lord's
presence, you know, and to getrid of the evil things that we
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talk about on this podcast allthe time.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Yeah, that was a lot of reading.
I'm not sure I can do anaudiobook now after that, but
you're right.
You're right.
That's kind of the leadershipthat you want.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
That was literally my .
That is the scripture that waspart of my Bible reading today.
Was it really?
Yeah, that's so crazy.
Like what are the odds?
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah, you're reading that and I'm like this is nuts.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Who read it better?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
You did, because I didn't read it out loud this
morning.
I just read it, so you did, wes.
I was giving you a pass to lieread it out loud to this morning
.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I just read it, so you did, wes I was giving you a
pass to lie, even if you had to,michelle I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
That was not a lie.
You definitely read it betterwhat?
Speaker 1 (37:21):
and the cool thing?
And I won't read it.
Uh, because, pierre, you said Iread too much, but uh, when
josiah died, the the way thecountry reacted.
Well, I guess I got to read it.
I like to read it instead.
His servants took him out ofthe chariot, carried him to the
second chariot it was Josiahafter he died, got hit by an
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arrow and brought him toJerusalem where he died and was
buried in the tombs of hisfathers.
And all Judah and Jerusalemmourned for Josiah.
Then Jeremiah chanted theprophet Jeremiah and Jerusalem
mourned for Josiah.
Then Jeremiah chanted theprophet, jeremiah chanted a
lament for Josiah, and all themale and female singers speak
about Josiah in theirlamentations to this day, and
they made them an ordinance inIsrael.
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Behold, they are also writtenin the lamentations.
Just, they remembered him.
You know him in song.
They remembered him in poem.
They remembered him and theyelevated him because of how much
he elevated God.
And you can say what you wantand I don't want to say is Trump
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a changed man?
Because I know his past, I knowwhat he's done in the past.
Is he a changed man?
And now time will tell aboutanybody who claims to be a
follower of Christ and whetheror not they really are.
And we all have our, I guess,our rules for how somebody is
our standards for how somebodyhas to act whenever they do say
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that they're a follower ofChrist or a follower of God.
Whether that's Kamala Harris,Joe Biden, Donald Trump, whoever
it is, we have our standardthat hopefully we don't get on
our own, but we get from whatGod says a godly person should
be like.
So time will tell in thosethings, but Josiah definitely
seems to be one of thosecharacters.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Yeah, it reads as such.
So that's what I think.
So we hope to be right, Likewhen our time's gone.
We hope to probably have thatbig of an impact.
Who knows, we don't know whatthe Lord has in store, but you
kind of hope that folks feelthat way about you when you take
your last breath.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
I don't know what kind of song will be written
about me.
I'm working on that now.
I guess I need to think aboutthose things so what else been
going on in y'all's life sincethat time that was my life,
since last time we got togetherand talked and those kind of big
things that happened.
What's been going on up therein the northern part of the
world?
Speaker 3 (39:48):
hello.
We got a little bit of snow,which I didn't I didn't like,
but I mean we had some goodthings.
I don't know.
We got a little bit of snowwhich I didn't like.
I loved it.
I mean we had some good things.
We talked about the exchangeshooting and Michelle's still
doing well from the cancerbattle that we had.
She's still been in the clearnow, so we're doing well.
I actually thought there was asong that I've been playing a
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lot called Rich man and it's byForrest Frank.
He's a younger guy.
I like to feel young, he getsme kind of pumped up in the
world, but he has a song aboutrich man and it's just talking
about things that actually makeyou rich and it's your family,
the good God above you, peoplethat love you, the air in your
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lungs.
It actually got me and Michellethinking.
You think of the Bible.
It talks about the rich gettinginto heaven.
Wes, do you know what it saysabout the rich getting into
heaven?
Speaker 1 (40:42):
It's hard for them to do so.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
It's hard.
The thought process that we hadis is that rich like the money
rich, or is that rich inblessings?
What do you think on that, oris it?
Speaker 1 (40:57):
both, I think.
Jesus.
Well, some people wouldconsider blessings, richness,
you know, but I think when Jesusis talking about that, and when
we see him talking about it,it's rich people.
It's rich people.
It's like the rich young ruler,I think is exactly when that
one's being talked about and therich young ruler says, hey, I
do the tithes, I obey all theSabbaths, I keep the Passover, I
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do everything.
Can I follow you?
And he says, okay, Jesus says,all right, you haven't done one
thing, you haven't given up,give up all your treasures, and
then you can follow me.
And the guy turns and walksaway.
And that's, I think, when Jesussays you can?
You know it's harder for a richman to enter the kingdom of
heaven than for a camel to gothrough the eye of a needle.
I think that's did.
(41:43):
I say that right, I may havesaid that backwards.
No, you know that that was likean actual kind of rock there.
That was like an entrancewayinto a city, the eye of the
camel.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
You mean the eye of the needle.
Yeah, he explained like it'snot like a needle that you sew
with, like yes, he explainedthat and he's like it's
physically impossible, butnothing's impossible for God.
And but then he was.
He explained like rich meaning,it's a heart issue, like if
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you're not willing to give awayeverything that you have, then
it's a heart issue.
And God's what he's trying tosay is he's, he's looking for
your heart and I.
So I came home, cause Pierre hadto work this weekend and, um, I
was talking to him about it andI don't know I it just I get
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what it's saying.
But then I'm like, so what doesthat mean?
Does that mean like we'resupposed to give away everything
that we have?
And like, if you look at theway the monks and the nuns live,
they don't have families, theydon't have really any worldly
possessions, they live inmonasteries or you know whatever
.
And I'm like, but and Iunderstand that and it seems
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like that's the biblical thing,but then when I look at it on
the other side of it, I'm like Iget really confused because I
feel like, okay, jesus didn'thave a wife and family, but God
gave Adam Eve as a partner.
And if everybody lived like themonks and the nuns, we wouldn't
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have any more people.
So I'm like I don't.
I guess my, I, just my brainsometimes can't absorb all of
that and figure out exactly whatthe right answer is, and maybe
that's just something betweenGod and I, but sometimes I
struggle.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Oh, you're waiting for me.
I was letting you go, Pierre.
I was going to let you saysomething.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
Well, I don't know.
It's interesting because you do.
You look at Jesus and if youbelieve what it says, he was not
wed, he didn't have any kidsand I think part of the richness
I was talking about, I thinkthat can be a that can be a
hindrance in in the world, likeeven when you look at like Paul
(44:19):
and his letter to like theCorinthians he talks about.
You know if you can do it, ifyou can, you know, stay single,
it's best to to stay single.
But if you know you basicallycan't control your flesh, then
it's best to go ahead and marryversus.
You know sexual immorality andyou think about like what it's
tough, like what's tough toleave behind in the world.
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It's not usually money.
At the end of the day, for somepeople it might be, they might
be all about their money andtheir possessions, but
oftentimes it's the people, it'syour family, it's your children
, your wife, parents, everyonelooking at it, that's the
difficult part to leave.
But that's also part of thereason people feel like they're
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rich is because of the lovedones around.
So perhaps that's a hindrance.
You can't fully be devoted toJesus because you're too focused
on the people in your life andagain, that's another obstacle.
That's why I think it'spossible that we could be
talking about both, both afinancial rich standpoint and
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perhaps you know I don't knowwhat the other word is but just
a rich in blessings, rich inlove standpoint also.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Yeah, that's where I was struggling, because I'm like
are we just supposed to all belike homeless and not have
families, like I don't know?
But I get it because, like,we've had those sermons that say
you know where your heart is.
Like, if your heart is with,like your children are the most
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important thing, then those areyour idols, like.
So we're not supposed to havethose idols, so I don't know.
It's really tough.
This is one of those thingsthat will keep me awake at night
.
Wes.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
That dude that wanted to join forces with Jesus, who
had all that money that wouldhave made Jesus' ministry.
You know what I mean.
Jesus could have got the jetsthat he wanted.
You know, jesus could have gotthe cars, he could have got the
big building, and just hadeverybody come there and listen
to him.
And I say that just saying thatsometimes that's what it feels
like the preachers on today thatwe see, want or at least pursue
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.
I'm sure they're pursuing otherthings too.
But Jesus turned that guy awaywhen, financially, his ministry
could have been set, which wasunique in my head.
I did, I did.
That clicked in my brain.
I was like wow, wow, he didn'thave what.
What does Jesus worry about?
If he doesn't worry about money, what does he worry about, you
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know?
And I came home one day and Itold my wife I cannot believe
how much these people in theBible like the main characters
kind of thing, how much theydepended on God for everything.
And then you got Jesus tellinghis disciples early on hey, when
you go out, when I'm sendingyou out here, don't take nothing
with you.
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Just get the shoes on your feet, bring just one coat, and don't
even bring a walking stick,just go, just go.
God will provide everything foryou.
And that's just weird, you know.
I mean, how much do we pack?
How much— Don't ask thatquestion in my house will you.
So their dependence on God wasjust a strong one.
(47:47):
And then even Paul, peter,whenever you see them going
through Acts and everything, andwhen they write their books,
it's just such a dependence uponGod and it blew my mind.
But, michelle, to go to yourpoint, when you talk about well,
are we all supposed to do that?
I don't know.
Point, when you talk about well, are we all supposed to do that
(48:09):
?
I don't know.
When the children of Israelcame out of Egypt, they had a
lot.
They were provided for themfrom the Egyptians, but at the
same time they didn't have ahome.
They were wandering around thewilderness and due to the lack
of faith or obedience, they keptwandering around the wilderness
.
But God provided for them towear.
Their clothes didn't wear out,their shoes didn't wore out,
they always had food, that kindof stuff.
So you know, god provides forthem and I think each one of us
(48:33):
have got different callings.
And Paul says that in Ephesians, chapter four, verse 11, he
gave some as apostles and someas prophets, some as evangelists
and some as pastors and some asteachers, for the equipping of
the saints, for the work of theservice, to the building up the
body of Christ until we allattain the unity of faith and
the knowledge of the Son of God,to a mature man, to the measure
(48:55):
of the stature had to flip my,had to open my bag of chips
there, pierre which belongs tothe fullness of Christ.
And we all have our differenttalents, we all have our
different gifts, and sometimesthese verses and these messages
that Jesus say because theBible's living and active,
sharpened word of God, sharperthan any two-edged sword are
(49:17):
going to hit us all in adifferent way to where we're led
to do one thing or another.
And there are some people whoare very successful businessmen,
who take care of the ministriesof some of the evangelists that
are going around now, who don'thave a lot and don't want a lot
.
They just look to get fed, andit seems like in the New
(49:40):
Testament, that was happening alot.
Like Paul wouldn't take money,paul reiterates over and over
again hey, I didn't even takemoney from y'all, because I
didn't want y'all to think thatyou had to pay me.
So I was making tents, you know, I was working every day
because I didn't want to beaccused of taking money.
And so these people, though,have a—back in.
(50:01):
I think it's 1 Timothy or 2Timothy.
They're talking about how thegreat blessings of these people
for taking care of theevangelists that were coming
into their area and how theevangelists brag about how much
they took care of them.
So there's definitely moneybeing moved around, but I think
the money seems to be beingmoved around to provide for
those who didn't have a lot, forthose who didn't have a lot.
(50:23):
So I think the word of God hitsus differently, but I think we
all can trust that God's goingto take care of us, no matter
how that word hits us, and wejust go for it.
Whatever that is, we go for it.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Ultimately, it comes down to a heart issue.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Possibly.
Yeah, I would agree yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
Yeah, yeah, I get it.
I mean it's ultimately like allyou have, like always go back
to things ecclesiastic.
It just opens up likeeverything's pointless, which
really is encouraging to knowthat everything's pointless.
But when you look at the, whenyou look at life like it, it's
(51:06):
one of the books of the Biblethat makes the most sense to me.
We try to tie in why thingshappen, why things are the way
they are, and if you just lookat it like everything's
pointless, you're just here tokind of love God and love, love
others, then it makes a lot moresense, um, in that standpoint,
(51:28):
um, to light things up.
So the other limitation thathas bothered me lately is in the
sports world, because I prayedabout a bunch of sports teams to
win games, be it Hoosiersbeating the Buckeyes, be it my
coats, my pacers, cubs, for 100years, and I don't.
(51:50):
I don't think God moves onsports.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
If I'm just being honest, he does because, let me
tell you, I prayed about thatlittle um that field goal yeah,
and that man listens, and thatman listened.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
I didn't set her up for that I was more of my own
sorrow with the Indiana Hoosiershere recently and how certain
teams win all the time theChiefs, you know the Dodgers,
and I'm like all right guys.
What are these people prayingthat I'm not praying?
Do I need to switch it up?
Or are you just like no, I'mnot touching sports, I don't
(52:28):
care about sports.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
And we could say well , what is sports?
Is it more worldly or is itmore godly?
Speaker 3 (52:36):
It's definitely worldly.
It's pointless right,Everything's pointless.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
It's fun, but it's pointless.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
It's kind of like listening to the podcast again
trying and it's kind of likelistening to the podcast again
trying to get in the routine oftrying to find a podcast I want
to like and going back to my oldpodcast and I was this is
useless, it's not anything tolearn about this or to learn
about that, and it really feltempty.
But then, Pierre, that alsoprovides a platform.
Provides a platform for like uh, you know some Chinese kid that
(53:09):
was sleeping on people's sofasto come into Madison square
garden and have Linsanity for alittle while.
And you know it, it providesopportunities for a homeschool
kid that doesn't even have aplace to play and the parents
have to fight for his rights tobe able to play football, and uh
um, uh, some type of schedulewhere other kids are playing
football, and then all of asudden we hear about Tim Tebow,
(53:30):
you know, winning the HeismanTrophies and stuff, and it just
provides opportunities,platforms for that.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Like Jameis Winston the other night.
That was amazing.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
I just feel like someone like Tebow should have
won.
He should have been Brady, inmy opinion.
I know that wasn't the case,you know he got another calling,
but some of my thought processis like Tim's a guy Like Tim
Tebow's a guy Like you want himleading, he speaks to Christ, he
(54:01):
shares the word, like that'ssomeone I feel is deserving of
winning the most Super Bowls.
And he could barely make it inthe NFL Again.
God's plan could have beendifferent for him.
He may have lost his way, losthis track, I don't know, but
those are just kind of thethings that run through my mind.
Wouldn't it be great to havethat person still in the NFL
(54:24):
ministering to others?
And he still is, you know,probably ministering to more
than he would in sports.
But I feel like the sportsworld in general needs those
type of people because they'rekind of getting frowned upon.
If we're being honest, tebowgot made fun of, carson Wentz
got made fun of.
They even used to call likeTony Dungy soft because he
wasn't going in locker roomscussing at players and stuff
(54:46):
along those lines.
But I don't know, it'sinteresting.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
But I do feel like it's becoming more prevalent.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
Yeah that's true, no, and it makes those people stand
out from the crowd and givestheir testimony, I think, a
stronger foothold, because theydo have to stand up to that
stuff and stand up for Christand we all have to, though, in
some degree and it gives us allencouragement whenever we see
other people doing so in what wewould consider a much more
(55:14):
important environment than thebread world or the phone world
or wherever we work.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
Don't shortchange yourself, Wes.
I think it's all important.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
Well, I do too, and that's kind of the point is that
when we see these people inthese prominent positions,
excelling With all the what wewould say evil around them and
everything, we could say, ohwell, if they could do it, we
could do it too, you know sothat that's important to see, I
think.
Speaker 2 (55:41):
All right.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
That's.
That's an hour.
That's all we need.
That's important to see, Ithink.
All right, that's an hour.
That's all we got time for.
We can barely get in here.
But I want to encourageeverybody if you like what
you're hearing, just take amoment.
Take a moment, please Stop whatyou're doing right now.
Pull over to the side of theroad.
If you got to, don't do itwhile you're driving.
Pull in a parking lot orsomething and just like the show
a little review, give us alittle comment along the way.
(56:03):
That really helps the show getout to other people.
We have some plans for nextyear on how you guys can
participate in an event with us.
Possibly we're working on somethings and hopefully we can get
around to this and have you dothat.
But in the meantime you canalways leave some kind of review
.
You can leave some kind ofquestion on whatever listening
platform you listen to the showon.
(56:24):
Pierre said you could send atext as well and I'll let you,
pierre, tell them how they cando that and get in touch with us
other ways.
Speaker 3 (56:30):
Yeah, so on Twitter, whatever you want to call it
these days is at FindingFaithPodEmail.
Gmail is at FindingFaith,LosingSleep at Gmailcom.
Yeah, do the summary.
Whenever you see a summary ofany of our podcast episodes,
there should be an option tosend a text message if you want
to do that.
Definitely, if you feel it inyour heart to leave reviews,
(56:53):
leave stars.
That gets the podcast out thereto more people.
It's been amazing.
We've hit, I think, 28countries or so, which pretty
shocks me.
I didn't think we hit anotherstate that wasn't like a family
member state.
So to have 28 countries is justamazing.
So thank you for those that havetaken the time to listen in the
past or if you're just comingacross us now.
(57:14):
Appreciate you taking some timeto listen to us now.
And just season of thankfulnessright.
We got Thanksgiving coming up,thankful for all the listeners,
thankful for my family, my wifeand her health right now.
Thank you for you, wes, andjust your partnership and all
this, and it's just a season ofgratitude.
So shouldn't be just a season.
It should be at all times rightContent in every circumstance.
(57:37):
But I do want to say thanks tothose that tune in and give us a
chance and listen to us.
Just talk the word, talk faith.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
Ready chance and listen to us.
Just talk the word talk faithyes, ready, ready, ready.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
Maybe not, maybe not getting that was pretty good.
Speaker 2 (57:53):
Wes, honestly, that's pretty good you weren't ready,
hold on I think, the first onewas better that one sounds good.
Speaker 3 (58:00):
I'm not gonna do it, just so you're aware.
But it's gonna be funny, funnyif someone skips ahead and
that's all they hear.
I'm not listening to this again.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
We appreciate all you listeners, we're thankful for
you and we ask that you willcome back again and listen to us
as we ramble on about otherthings as well.
And we ask you one more thingKeep praying for us and we'll
keep praying for you.
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