January 10, 2025 • 56 mins
This episode delves into the intersection of faith and current events, exploring how tragic news impacts our psyche and spiritual lives as we begin 2025. We discuss how recent headlines of violence and chaos challenge our beliefs and invite deeper reflection on the nature of evil, human choice, and God's plans for us.
• Exploration of New Orleans tragedy and its implications
• Initial discussion on facing negativity and maintaining mental health
• Practical spiritual practices to combat dark influences
• The story of Job as a source of resilience
• Deep dive into Genesis and themes of choice and temptation
• Understanding why bad things happen to good people
• The importance of personal stories in fostering hope and community support
We're hoping you'll engage with our content and share your thoughts on spirituality and today’s world.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
it's time to wake up and pray up here on the finding
faith and losing sleep podcast.
Thank you so much for joiningus for episode number.
I'm gonna guess, pierre, I'mguessing what episode this is 27
no, we're in the 30s, likewhere you been.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I think we're like 34 .
You're like seven episodesbehind.
He took a few off.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I have said it many times on this podcast you can
always go back and listen to thepast podcast to hear the funny
little comments that I make thatyou'll go.
That guy just doesn't.
Why am I even listening to thatguy?
I don't pay attention to time.
I just absolutely do not.
Sometimes I do like maybe I'lllock it in, that this is 34.
And so next time I'll get 35.
But once we get to the 40s I'llhave no idea again what episode
(00:47):
we're on.
Pierre.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I just start over at one point, just throw you all
off.
Start over at season two,episode one.
You'll be really confused.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I am Wesley Easley, one of the hosts, and, of course
, over in there in Indiana Wait,indiana, very cold up there in
Indianaiana.
I bet this time of year it ispierre and michelle.
They are a married couple andthey uh decided to do a podcast
and invite me along for the ridevery cold indeed, single digits
, um snow still on the groundbeen there for barely about a
(01:16):
week enough.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Um, you can't tell she likes the snow.
I don't but, yeah, yeah, we'realong for this finding faith,
losing sleep journey, uh, plus30 episodes west, just so you're
aware again, and, uh, lookingforward to diving in.
We've been almost a month and ahalf since we recorded, so it's
good to get back behind the mic.
Hopefully everyone had a happyholidays and having a good start
to the new year, which hasn'tbeen the case for everyone I am
(01:41):
not having a good start for thenew year, pierre.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It is about to snow here in Alabama, hey.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Congratulations.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
That's not fun down here.
That'll be fun, though.
We'll get the four-wheelers out.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
We'll get the big old trucks out.
You can get snow down there.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Well, yeah, except for the bread man.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Oh that's true.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
You've got to make bread and milk sandwiches down
this way.
I don't know why restaurants donot have bread and milk
sandwiches on the menu.
They need to have it becauseit's a very popular item this
time of year.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
According to the store shelves for sure.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
But Pierre, tell everybody just at the front part
, so they can continue to fastforward over all this until we
get to the actual talking part,how they can get in touch with
us if they would like to.
All this until we get to theactual talking part, how?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
they can get in touch with us if they would like to.
Yeah, so you got an email.
Findingfaithlosingsleep atgmailcom.
We're over on X, formerlyTwitter at FindingFaithPod.
You can text us through theshow notes.
If you go to the podcast itself, you should get a text message
format there.
We're hosted through Buzzsprout.
I guess I've never given them ashout out.
(02:46):
We're hosted through Buzzsprout.
You can hit up us over onBuzzsprout as well.
So, yeah, you got some ways ofoutreaching us.
Feel free to do so.
Any suggestions concerns youcan send the Westin Michelle,
and we just appreciateeverything you do All your
compliments.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Send it to Pierre.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Somehow the show's script has gotten flipped.
I don't know how that hashappened.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
It has happened.
Excuse me, that's what happens.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
And you said, hey, we got to get recording.
I said, okay, let's record.
And then what's the episodegoing to be about?
And you told me that it's just.
You know, you wanted to gothrough the headlines.
That's what this show's about.
We try to talk about the thingsthat keep us up late at night,
maybe, and don't allow us tosleep, and we do that maybe
through a biblical lens, maybe aChristian lens.
I don't know how you want tosay that.
That's just who we are, though,as people, and I think that
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that's a good thing to look atthings like that.
However you are, and I hopethat we can all have respect for
one another as we view lifethrough our own lenses of how
we've been brought up or howwe've raised.
And here's the thing for melike I want to continue my
education, I want to continuelearning how to make my lenses
maybe a little bit clearer or atleast know what I'm looking at
(03:54):
a little bit better.
And so, as we come at you withmaybe some biblical thoughts and
everything, just know wehaven't gone to school, we're
not some big, deep theologicalseminary people or anything.
We just have been working outour faith with fear and
trembling, like we're supposedto.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, and a couple of rabbit holes.
We're working out a couple ofrabbit holes.
This is me.
I put down a couple of rabbitholes, pierre, for sure he's got
holes dug all over this house.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Oh boy, oh boy, Got things buried in there too.
Maybe, Pierre, Get your bonesout of there.
Hey, you said that you wantedto talk about the headlines,
like I said, so you're going tohave to tell me about these
headlines.
Okay, I'd never even heard ofthat.
So I'm sure these things dokeep people up late at night,
and I'm sure the headlinesdefinitely in the news.
As you get bombarded with allthis stuff day in and day out,
it's kind of why I've just notbeen watching the news much or
even keeping up with it how Iusually do through the headlines
(04:58):
on my phone or through Twitteror through social media or
something.
I just haven't been payingattention, Pierre.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Well, I'm going to answer for him.
Imagine that.
But I was like what do you mean, wes?
What do you mean?
You haven't been listening,because usually you're the
person that tells us, hey, didyou hear about this or did you
hear about that.
But you two were talking beforewe came on and I literally was
like I have no idea what theheck you two just said in the
last few minutes.
(05:24):
So yeah, go ahead, pierre.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I mean it's hard to like I don't watch the news, but
it's just hard to avoid kind ofwhat's kind of taking place to
start the year.
So first up, you had like theNew Orleans situation right on
like New Year's Eve.
Right on New Year's Eve, soright after New Year, there was
a truck that drove into a crowddown there on Bourbon Street
celebrating bringing in New Yearand a lot of people lost their
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lives out of that situation.
And it was interesting becauseI believe that the report came
out and again, you never knowwhat some of the reports, but it
came out.
It was a former US militarymember but had like an ISIS flag
in his truck, so that took part.
And then a few days later therewas a Tesla Cybertruck in Vegas
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out in front of Trump Tower thatblew up and you look at the
footage for that and it wassomeone in the same base and I'm
not even sure if they were inthe same battalion.
The guy that went into thecrowd in New Orleans was the one
that had the Cybertruck inVegas and blew up.
The Cybertruck out in front ofTrump Tower there in Vegas, and
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I think Queens was another one,there was someone that went in
and shot up like a nightclub orsomething.
So all this was like within acouple days of 2025.
So really, really rocky start.
And now you got the stuff outin California.
That's not necessarily a person, just nature kind of going its
course, but that's a lot oftragedy kind of taking place to
start off this new year.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
You said so was the person in Queens like an Army
person too?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
did not.
I did not know the the queensget up, I just know that they
I'm pretty sure it was anightclub they went in and kind
of opened fire on quite a fewhoax there.
I could probably look it up andsee if anything ever came out
with what happened with theshooter, but it wasn't one.
I really dive in again.
I don't watch the news, butthese things just popped up so
quickly that I was like boom,there they are.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
So you said the first two were Army people.
Both had ISIS things.
I think you said I did see someof that.
Let me guess this.
I'm going to guess because myhead has been buried in the sand
a little bit, just not payingattention, trying to
purposefully not pay attention.
Do you know if both of thoseindividuals that were part of
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the Army thing were?
They both out of Fort Braggpossibly?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
It's possible.
I don't remember the fort, butI know they were the same
location.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Google it.
Google it real quick.
I'm very curious whether or notit was Fort Bragg.
And while you do that, pierre,if you don't mind, if you can,
if you have the technologicaltechnical abilities to be able
to do that, while Michelle and Italk for just a little bit,
michelle, it's not a great wayto start off 2025.
But did you have any kind ofresolutions this year to do
(08:17):
something new or different froma spiritual standpoint that
would give you peace andcalmness in these kind of times
of turmoil?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
spiritual standpoint that would give you peace and
calmness in these kind of timesof turmoil.
Well, I didn't, initially,other than trying to stay
vigilant, right, but my bestfriend actually sent me
something that said let's dothis together and believe it or
not I haven't even responded toher yet, but I watched it, what
she said, and it was somethingalong the lines of.
Yet, but I watched it, what shesaid, and it was something
(08:49):
along the lines of in order tochange, like how you see things
and how you feel about things,and change your mind into a more
positive mindset.
It was something along thelines of before you ever pick up
your phone for the day to readtwo verses or two pieces of
scripture quickly and then threetimes a day, even if it's just
for 30 seconds, to like get onyour knees and pray, so it could
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be morning, noon or night orjust as you think about it
through the day.
But to be intentional, like umto Christian music or some sort
of, you know, faith based music,to um kind of switch your
(09:33):
mindset when you're in a roughplace.
And so there were.
There were a couple others thatI can't remember off the top of
my head, um, but those are thethree that I kind of latched
onto no-transcript into.
(10:12):
So I don't know if it's aresult of that or not, but I'm
ready to flip out of it.
I can tell you that.
How was what about you?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
What about me?
I, I kind of made a deal withGod and I it's on my terms, not
his really Right?
You know what I mean?
Like all right, lord, uh, mydaughter, my daughter's in her
last little year of being at thehouse here.
She's a senior in high school.
I've got a couple more monthsleft with her.
I love to be able to connectwith her somehow, some way,
spiritually, even a little bitmore than what we have in the
past.
I just got to figure that out,lord.
(10:42):
I'll tell you what you figureit out for me and I'll just
follow your footsteps.
And I shouldn't be doing thisanyway.
So I'm just going to stop doingit.
You know, like I, like I giveup something, right, right.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
So I so.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I did.
I gave up some and and then, loand behold, she texted me out
of the blue it's like the firstor the second of January and she
said what version of the Bibledid you listen to last year?
So I told her what version itwas and you guys past episodes.
We know how excited I was aboutlistening to the Bible audibly
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and everything.
So I told her which one it was.
I asked her why.
She told me when I got home.
So I came home and she told meand I said well, is that an
invite?
Are you inviting me to listento the Bible in a year with you?
And she said she was.
So that's what we're doing.
How about that?
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
That is so cool.
Isn't that amazing, how Godworks.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
No, it is.
And you know you look for thoselittle signs where you're like,
okay, you're listening, Iappreciate you listening, you
know, and it gives you thetingles, gives me the tingles
anyway, gives me the brotherfries.
So doing that again with herthis time it's too slow for me.
I'm going to be honest with you.
I told you guys, I binged itright At the end.
(11:56):
I was binging it and then I wasdone like a month earlier and
everything, I want more.
I want more of it.
I don't want to do just one aday.
I'm like I got to do anotherBible reading plan or something
on top of it.
So that's what I plan on doingto get my mind right.
What about, pierre?
Do you have one Answer?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
the first question first, pierre, before I forget
it, so they overlapped at FortBragg, both men, and apparently
again in Afghanistan.
But there's no evidence thatthey knew each other.
But based off the timing ofthem serving, yes, they did
overlap at Fort Bragg, which Ibelieve is a different name now,
like Fort Knight or somethinglike that.
(12:34):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Fort Knight.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Come on.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Pierre, that's your.
You're playing video games.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Right, they renamed it, it's not Fort.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Bragg anymore is it?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Hold on on, let me look at.
No, no, I don't, I don't know II'm.
I get confused on who's thatwhere and what's.
Is that army navy?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
but yeah, I just get confused on all that stuff, it's
army, it's in north carolina mymom was there when she was
younger so I mean go ahead.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
I don't, I don't know what goes on at each one of the
army bases and I I'd probably.
It's just all speculation tostart with, and people maybe
have speculated these thingsbecause they come up with what
they see on movies or televisionand they just run with it a
little bit.
But there is those the MKUltrais what it's called MKUltra,
where it's mind-control type ofthings, where maybe Jason Bourne
(13:23):
, I think Bourne Identity, thatkind of series, you know where,
that person I think that FortBragg was well known for that If
you Google and research thatyou'll probably find some things
like that.
But it leads us into what we'retalking about tonight when,
pierre, you talk about theheadlines and I think you even
mentioned to me, you know, evilin the world and stuff, and
we're talking about that.
Pierre, you talk about theheadlines and I think you even
(13:44):
mentioned to me, you know evilin the world and stuff, and
we're talking about that.
Michelle, you talked about howto get out of that mindset and
thinking about positive things.
I love thinking about positivethings and just getting out of
that mindset and really beforeyou brought up the show, pierre,
I never thought about that.
That wasn't what was keeping meup at night this year so far I
never thought about that.
(14:04):
That wasn't what was keeping meup at night this year so far.
Keeping me up at night iswanting to be more entrenched in
God's Word, and for me that canlead to some sleepless nights
wondering what the world istalking about.
But it also just leads me tosleepless nights because I'm
desiring Him more.
Pierre.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I mean, which is good .
Like it says seeking you shallfind.
So it sounds like you're on theright track there.
Fort Liberty, by the way I saidFort Knight is known as Fort
Liberty now, but yeah, I think,I think that often starts a new
year too, though, like if you,if you are going down a faith
journey, a lot of times the newyear is like your chance,
because you do have you knowdifferent types of lesson plans,
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have you know different typesof lesson plans.
You do have the one-year Biblewhich you know I've done I think
this year I've just done likePsalms and Proverbs versus the
whole thing, because I just gotdone doing the whole thing, so
now I'm just doing Psalms andProverbs just to make sure I'm
continuing to stay in there.
A lot of churches, like mine,our church right now, is doing
21 days of prayer to start offthe new year as well with prayer
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and fasting.
So it's just that time of yearwhere you know folks are seeking
, they're searching, you know,for something more, for
something better, sometimes justfor something else in general
in their lives.
And you know, I think it's good, I think it's good to dive into
the Bible, I think it's good toask questions, which is what we
do a lot on this show.
(15:24):
Just because it is, it can beconfusing.
There's a lot of different youknow language that's been
translated, you know, into theBible from its original text and
it's just trying to dive intoit for our own understanding,
even though we're not supposedto lay into our own
understanding.
That's kind of what we do.
We try to get it in our ownterms, get it on our own
platform, so we can actuallyunderstand what it is we're
(15:47):
reading.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Michelle, can you jump over to I don't know if you
can 1 Corinthians 14, 14?
.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yep hold on.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Okay, here you talked about understanding, and it's
hard not to say understandingover and over again.
I've been learning some newthings and I've been trying to
study this stuff a little bitmore, just so I can deepen my
relationship with God and deepenmy relationship with His Word
to make more sense of this world, pierre, and we can jump back
over into Job, which I knowwe're going to end up doing at
some point whenever we'retalking about evil and stuff
(16:17):
like that.
But 1 Corinthians 14, 14, yougot it?
No, not yet.
Okay, I can ramble a little bitmore, I got it.
Okay.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Do you want me to read it?
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Oh, please do Out loud, would be better for
everybody.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I'll just read it to myself, for if I pray in a
tongue and my spirit prays, butmy mind is unfruitful, so what
shall I do?
I will pray with my spirit, butI will also pray with my
understanding.
I will sing with my spirit, butI will also sing with my
understanding.
Otherwise, when you arepraising God in the spirit, how
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can someone else, who is now putin the position of an inquirer,
say amen to your thanksgiving,since they do not know what you
are saying?
You're giving thanks, wellenough, but no one is edified.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Okay, that's great, you hear how he distinguished
praying in the spirit andpraying with understanding.
There were two different thingsthere and, from what I'm
learning, the word understandingor mind praying with my mind,
is called noose Noose I'mprobably going to go into this
(17:24):
lesson.
I'm going to hang myself withthe noose here in a minute.
I don't know everything I'mtalking about, but the noose is
one of those things where youwant to have that understanding
and you want to have that peacethat comes with knowing what
you're talking about, whatyou're praying about, and it not
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only is beneficial for you but,as Paul said here, it's
beneficial for others as well.
Beneficial for you, but, asPaul said here, it's beneficial
for others as well.
You see that you know when he's, you know he wants it to be
edifying for others.
Over in Romans it was reallyinteresting in how he talked
about it here Romans, chapter 7,verses 22 and 23.
For I delight in the law of Godaccording to the inward man
right, the noose, the inward man.
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But I see another law in mymembers warring against the law
of my mind, my noose, andbringing me into captivity to
the law of sin which is in mymembers.
And you said, michelle, at thebeginning of the show your
friend encouraged you to do thisat the beginning of the year
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and everything and just allthose things, pierre, like you
talked about the praying for 21days that your church is doing,
it's so important that we arecareful about what we have
coming into our mind, into oureyes, into our ears.
We've got to be so careful.
(18:47):
It even works into that MKUltrastuff here just a little bit,
because a lot of times thatinvolves torturing techniques,
if I understand it correctly, tokind of break down the mind, to
break down the spirit, to openup the noose in your body to
absorb things that you don'tnecessarily want it to absorb,
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because whatever it absorbs iswhat ends up coming out.
You are what you put in toyourself, right, and so you know
.
Paul's saying there in Romans,it's waging war against me.
Paul's saying there in Romans,it's waging war against me.
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I've got the outside of meseeing the headlines, watching
this stuff, watching the evil.
It's making me stay up at night.
I might be inserting some wordsthere for the Apostle Paul, but
the point is he is strugglingwith what's going on in the
world because he has his innerself wanting to do the right
things.
It's hard to do that sometimes,pierre.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
It's very hard, and it's harder for us, I think,
today, just because technology,social media, has given us
quicker and easier access towhat's happening around us, so
much more information Thanobviously would have been taking
place back then, we're not justconcerned about, you know, our
neighborhood, like we're seeingthings all over the world and
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kind of what's taking place inthe sorrows and tragedies that
are happening which you knowback in those times you wouldn't
have known, you know.
So I think it's more, moreburden on our shoulders a bit,
because we we are made aware ofultimately negative news.
Like you watch the news there's.
There's rarely anythingpositive that's on the actual
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news.
I know there's differentchannels and stuff, but it's
usually political.
It usually opens up with sometype of crime that took place
somewhere.
Someone got shot, someone gotrobbed.
The sad part about that is, Ithink that's what people are
drawn to for some reason,because if they weren't then
they wouldn't watch it.
If you're not watching it, thenthe news isn't going to air it.
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Does that make sense?
I don't know.
What have we done?
I guess would be the question.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
There's a reason that curiosity killed the cat.
Yeah, why are we so curiouswith negative things, I think?
I mean, I personally feel likewe're almost inclined to
negativity, like.
(21:37):
What I mean by that is, I thinkwe defer to negative somewhat
naturally of a struggle, um, tochoose to see everything.
I mean, you and I just had thisconversation the other night.
It's, it's I choose to be happy, like, and I am happy, but that
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isn't always the easy ordefault thing, I guess.
I guess that's well.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
It's tough because I think so.
Like one of the things that I Iconstantly hear people discuss
is death, and it drives me crazy.
Like rachel tell you I, I Idon't like having those
conversations.
I know it happens.
We're all going to hit thatpoint at some point.
Everyone does.
I feel like that has been socomfortable.
(22:31):
Folks just walk up to you, hey,so-and-so passed away, even my
family members.
Sometimes I don't hear fromthem.
Then they call me and I'm likesomeone must have died, because
that's the only time I hear fromthem.
Call me with good news.
Me and Michelle have back andforth times where she'll say
something and it's negative inmy mind.
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She's just trying to inform me,but in my mind it's negative.
I'm like why don't you tell methat?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Tell me something good, he gets mad at me.
I'm like I'm just trying totell you.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Her family does it too.
I've been around them.
It's just natural.
This person did this.
This person's sick.
How about the person that'shappy, the one that had a baby?
It's just interesting how folksjust seem to be drawn to
sharing when something tragichappens over, when something
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maybe exciting happens.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
I think that's just because people don't always
share.
Hey, olivia got an A on herreport card, like I do.
But like that's I mean peoplewant to know if something bad
has happened to someone theylove and then they can pray for
other people.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
But they don't.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Why.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I don't think they do .
I think most people try toavoid when something bad happens
to someone they love, and thenthey can pray for other people,
but they don't why.
I don't think they do.
I think most people try toavoid.
When something bad happens tosomeone, yeah, they might want
to be aware of it, but theydon't want to be a part of it.
They just want to know.
And then they disappear or theygo and run.
I used to be one that ran awayfrom things like that.
My mom got sick or something.
I didn't want to have to dealwith it.
I want to know she was sick,but I didn't want to have to.
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You know, see her suffer andall that stuff.
No one wants to see that, butfor some reason they want to
make you aware of whensomething's happening.
So I don't know, that's just myopinion.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
I think people are just trying to keep you informed
.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I don't even know what we're talking about anymore
.
I'll be honest, it's negativity, negative news.
Do you experience that, or isit all?
Speaker 1 (24:31):
sunshine and rainbows there in Alabama?
No, we do.
And sometimes I come home andmy two girls are homeschooled
and everything and I'm like holycow, I should have just stayed
at work.
You know, this has been a wildhouse.
The minute I walked in the dooris what I'm usually thinking,
especially whenever I'm gone fora long time Mondays, thursdays.
Boy, I tell you, it's just awild house right there.
(24:51):
I got to figure out a way tobring the peace into the house,
because that's what we'resupposed to be.
We're supposed to bepeacemakers, you know, and those
kind of people will be blessedis what those people will be, is
what Jesus says.
So I think that we've got tofigure out ways to do that and
just counteract it.
Anytime I hear negative news oranything, I listen, I listen.
I try not to be the bearer ofnegative news.
(25:13):
Sometimes I am, when I guess I'mdisgruntled about something
that may be a new policy orsomething like that.
None of it is ever right.
But how many new policies atwork have we had come down the
pipeline and nobody likes them,because nobody likes change.
But there's been a million ofthem and the world is still
(25:35):
standing.
You know what I mean.
Maybe we should take thosemaybe in stride a little bit
better.
Maybe we shouldn't justoverreact and start complaining
like everybody else does, maybebringing out the positive nature
of well, I'm old enough toremember when this happened and
we're all still here, we're allstill employed, everything's
(25:56):
still fine, so we'll just try tomake the best of it.
Maybe that kind of attitudewould help out in many different
areas.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I mean it would for sure you, you talk about what
was it?
Carrying the soldiers backpacks, and you know jesus stated if
they actually go a mile, go anextra mile, like that's kind of
that same mentality.
Uh, not complaining about it,just you know, do what you need
to do and be happy about it.
Maybe not even happy, just becontent, right, be content in
(26:26):
all circumstances.
But it's hard because we're Ithink we're all selfish, whether
we want to be or not.
Like most of us are selfish orwe like things our way and our
timing.
And even when we try to beflexible, like we still get in
our own way at times.
And the same happens when likepolicies come down.
(26:48):
Like the reason that we'reupset and disgruntled is because
we're, we're in our own selfishways.
We like the way things were.
Sometimes it's logic where weunderstand you know our business
better than some of thedecision makers that are
bringing some of those policiesdown, but you know it's still
their business and money, so youjust kind of got to deal with
it.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
That you do.
You brought up evil.
You said something about evilwhenever we first communicated
about doing the episode.
So I'm like, all right, evil,let's go back.
Let's go to the Bible timeshere.
Evil when was the first timethere was evil in the world?
You know that kind of stuff,stuff, and you can't help but
think about the garden of edenand the tree of knowledge of
good and evil, right and uh, thewhole thing that was going on
(27:29):
there.
We've talked about it a coupleof different times in past
episodes that you can hear ourperspective on some of those
things.
But this is, this is one, um, aperspective about the knowledge
of good and evil.
Think about this, and this isjust a new one.
Okay, this new one, we're alljust sitting around a coffee
table talking, right?
So don't think that old Westhinks this because I wasn't
(27:49):
there in the Garden of Eden.
I wasn't there.
In case you don't know, I'm notthat old.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
My eyes aren't that bad Breaking news.
Wes was not in the Garden ofEden.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
So you know, we're kind of speculating on all that
stuff anyway, right A little bit.
So let's just speculate if wecan.
So you got Adam and Eve and Godsaid to them what did you guys
remember what he said?
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Which part he said a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah, he did say a lot of things About the tree of
the knowledge of good and evil.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Do not eat from it.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Don't eat from it, right, or else you'll surely die
too right Did he say that?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
All right, I'll read it a little bit.
Can I read it a little bit?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
By the way, my wife and daughter each got me a Bible
.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Oh yeah Big print, big print, it doesn't matter
what version.
I could take a hint, you know.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Big print.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
No more chips.
Is that what you're saying?
Now, the serpent was morecrafty than any beast to the
field which the Lord God hadmade.
And he said to the woman indeedhas God said, indeed has God
said, you shall not eat from anytree of the garden.
And the woman said to theserpent from the tree of the
garden we may eat, boy.
That's the new Bible.
(29:06):
You guys got to bear with me alittle bit.
That big prince is not workingfor you.
Indeed, has God said, you shallnot eat from any tree of the
garden.
And the woman said to theserpent from the fruit of the
trees of the garden we may eat,but from the fruit of the tree
which is in the middle of thegarden, god has said you shall
not eat from it or touch it,lest you die.
And the serpent said to thewoman oh, you're not going to
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die, for God knows that in thatday that you eat from it, your
eyes will be opened and you willbe like God, knowing good and
evil.
And the woman saw that it wasgood for food, that she took it
and then she gave it to herhusband, and all that All right.
We know that it feels like bothparties kind of added a little
bit to it, you know, to make itmore, did they die that day Like
(29:51):
we think of death.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Maybe not.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Well.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Not like we think of it Not like we think of it, no.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Okay, and how did they die, michelle?
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I mean, I think they died.
I don't even know how toexplain it.
The goodness and theperfectness that was around them
died maybe.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
No, no, I think you're right and you know he had
them in the perfect environment.
Like you said, the goodness ofthe perfect in the perfect
environment in the Garden ofEden, right, Pierre?
Yeah that's our understanding.
Me too, me too.
And when they ate it they diddie, because now they couldn't
(30:39):
be in that garden anymore.
He had to kick them out of thatgarden.
That's fair.
It kind of is fair, becausewhat was the other tree there?
Life, the tree of life, rightand?
And god even said, well, we got, we can't let them stay here,
because if they, if they do,then they're going to eat the,
the, the other tree, the tree,and and be, uh, forever lasting,
(31:02):
like we are.
But they'll be in a sinfulstate, right, because they
sinned against God, because nowthey know good and evil, they
covered themselves up and theykind of felt a little ashamed of
what they did, or they justknew good and evil.
Here's a new perspective.
What if God one day was goingto let them eat from the tree of
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knowledge of good and evil?
As a father, one of my jobs andI've said this on past podcasts
was to protect the innocence ofmy children for as long as I
possibly can, because there'snothing like being a child and
just not knowing right fromwrong.
I mean, you may know a littlebit of right from wrong, but you
(31:48):
know just the innocence of achild.
You know what I mean, that'svery true.
And what if God was trying toprotect these people from
knowing good and evil for a longtime until they became mature
enough to know good and evil?
Long time, until they becamemature enough to know good and
evil?
We don't explain everythinghardcore to our kids.
(32:08):
Until we think that they canunderstand some of those topics,
like death for example, we maystart inserting other things.
You know, oh, they just went tosleep and instead of telling
them they'll never come backagain, you kind of give it a
little bit to your kids as theycan handle it as they get mature
.
Yeah, go ahead.
(32:35):
I was going to say.
Well, let me finish thatthought.
What if just it wasn't time yetto know good and evil for Adam
and Eve?
They weren't able to handle ityet, and by knowing sin at that
state they definitely couldn'thandle the tree of life.
(32:57):
At that point they couldn'thandle that.
They couldn't, you know, theycouldn't handle that.
What if God was going to feedthem with both of these things
at some point in their level, intheir walk with him?
But they just kind of sped itup a little bit and he couldn't
allow them to endure thatanymore.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Isn't that just like us to want to do it in our own
time?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah, they say God's timing is perfect, but we still
try to do things in our owntiming.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Not much has changed.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
It has not.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
And here's the thing too they were doing fine.
Right, they were doing fine.
I don't know how long they werein the Garden of Eden before
the serpent came up there andstarted talking to her but they
were doing fine until theoutside forces started messing
with them.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
So what's the first?
Speaker 1 (33:46):
question in the Bible .
Wes.
I don't know what's the firstquestion in the Bible.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
You were right around it.
It's the serpent asking,basically questioning God, like
has God truly said he may nottake fruit from any tree?
That's the first question askedin the Bible and it's basically
questioning God, god, so thatkind of sets the stage for me,
for that whole, for all mankind,is the the first question
(34:14):
that's that's presented isquestioning god and what he,
what he stated, which I findinteresting.
There's a lot of questions inthe Bible and you go through it
now, but the first one is did hetruly say that?
How often do we question evenour own faith?
(34:34):
It's pretty interesting andthat's what set the stage when
you look at, I think, thedownfall of most folks in their
faith and some of their baddecisions is they question God,
like is he truly who he says heis, or is he truly who the Bible
says he is?
And that sets the stage for ourown downfalls.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Well, and wouldn't it be really prevalent in times
like this where these tragedieshave happened, like why would,
why would these things beallowed to happen and why by now
?
And why?
Why?
My family members or my lovedones like so, but Wes, I have to
say that was probably one ofthe best like hot takes, that
and perspectives I think you'vegiven in a while.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
That was he'd been cold.
Apparently he's been cold, butthat one was pretty hot 2025?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
hot, hey, here's the question too.
Yeah, how about this?
One did, did.
Do you think satan knew theanswer?
The devil, the serpent, I'msorry, serpent?
Do you think serpent knew theanswer?
No, absolutely yeah yeah, hedid, didn't he?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I mean mean, if you think, I know you said the
serpent, but if it was trulyLucifer who took that form,
Lucifer who was kind of God'sright-hand angel from the way
it's described, of course heknew that.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Mm-hmm.
So now we're going into Jobbuddy.
We're just jumping into all thehot topics of 2024.
Back in past podcasts you canlisten to further details about
all these things and some otherthoughts and see how thoughts
kind of expand during this time.
So if the book of Job and weget into Genesis chapter 6 too,
(36:20):
there and everything, if thoseare fallen angels right, I was
trying to put myself in themindset those are fallen angels,
right, I was trying to putmyself in the mindset of a
fallen angel, Pierre.
I know, I won't tell you whatoutfit I was wearing.
Why would he be jealous of God?
Why?
(36:41):
Why would he be jealous of God?
Can I, can I tell you?
Can I tell you what I think?
It's a sure question, and andpeople can uh write into us uh
thing was up the very first partof the podcast.
Pierre will put all the contactinformation again at the very
end of the podcast.
It'll probably be connected tothe podcast somehow some way,
(37:02):
and and you can let me know whatyou think.
Yeah, why would a fallen angelbe jealous of God?
Because, in my opinion, hecreated this stuff and he
created people, and people aregiving back to God somehow some
way, some kind of adoration, anddoesn't that make you jealous
(37:24):
when people are kind of gettingmore attention than you?
It doesn't bother me whenpeople do that to others, but
I'm just saying that is one ofthose seven deadly sins, either,
jealousy, and you have.
Then, maybe a fallen angeldoesn't necessarily have to be
Satan, doesn't necessarily haveto be Lucifer, we don't know.
(37:46):
It seems to be many, though.
I mean, if you read back intothe book of Job, it seems to be
many, though.
If you read back into the bookof Job.
It seems to be many differentones just roaming around to and
fro on the earth.
You know, if it he's theirs now, I'm sorry, they are his now.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Adam and Eve well, that's what I think he was
jealous of.
We talked about that before,but that my theory is?
I'm not sure he was initially.
I know how the Bible is kind oflaid out, but my rabbit hole
brain says that he was.
He was jealous of Adam and Eveand it doesn't say when he was
fallen.
Like I've kind of read through,you know, and try to find this
(38:27):
out with the Bible doesn'tnecessarily specify when he fell
.
So I feel like he was there toprotect them.
He became jealous and then thefall was when he basically
deceived them, is my opinion.
So I think he was jealous ofAdam and Eve, he deceived them
and then that's when he fell,from the grace of God.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Well, look at you two giving all these fresh
perspectives on it, Because hewas God's chosen right?
Is that what you're saying?
Before Adam and Eve and now allof a?
Speaker 1 (38:57):
sudden he's got some competition.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
And not just competition.
What did God do for Adam?
He gave him authority overearth.
So if you're someone'sright-hand man and you just see
someone, someone else getcreated and all of a sudden they
have more authority than whatyou feel like you have that's
not going to work.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Yeah, because, like then, that work isn't that how
it goes.
Like in your job, like even nowyou put in all the work and
then you see some person come infresh off the street and all of
a sudden you've got to trainthem for a job maybe you applied
for.
That's happened to me.
It's really frustrating.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
And he gave them a woman.
Yeah, very true.
So then, at Genesis 6, what didthey say?
Hey, that woman looked good,and then we could create our own
people.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Mm-hmm yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
That's why they can't follow.
There's going to be more ofthem.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Yeah, I'm just putting it all together.
We're solving life's problemshere.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
One at a time.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
One at a time One at a time.
Yeah, we are.
Yeah, here's another.
Can I go?
We talk about evil.
Why do bad things happen togood people?
And when that kind of questionback to talking about all the
things that have been going onin the world in 2025.
Head and we got to ask thatquestion what about good things
(40:31):
happen to bad people?
Bad things happen to goodpeople?
Both those questions are askedin the book of Job and here's a
thought I had about Job and, ofcourse, in my reading plan.
That's where we are kind of, soI was thinking about this
recently.
We talk about being able tohandle a lot of different
situations in life and that Godisn't going to give us more than
what we can handle.
We've talked about that in pastepisodes as well.
(40:53):
We know Job was a very wealthyman and he seemed to be a little
bit famous in that area, verywell-respected, all those things
but we don't know what happenedto Job before all this.
We kind of pick up Job.
It feels like in his olderstate.
You know what I mean?
He's got a bunch of kids andall that stuff.
(41:14):
We don't know what happened toJob before all this and
obviously, knowing the ending ofJob, god didn't allow things to
happen to him more than what hecould handle.
So maybe Job had a reallytumultuous life before we got
introduced to him.
Maybe there were some reallybad things that happened to Job
(41:35):
even before all this stuffhappened.
And that's the way God do.
Hey, you can do whatever youwant to to him.
My man Job is strong.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
You know he's going to be able to be able to handle
all this stuff.
But on the flip side, wouldSatan have really questioned
Job's righteousness at thatpoint?
Because he kind of questions it, stating you know, this guy
basically has it all and that'sthe only reason he's righteous.
So if he's had some tumultuouspast, wouldn't Satan have also
(42:10):
known that?
And that that's not why he wasrighteous?
Maybe so?
Speaker 3 (42:20):
To my knowledge, the Bible doesn't actually say that
God won't give you more than youcan handle Anywhere.
I think that's something we'veall kind of come up with over
the years and it's beensomething that that us as humans
have said, but I don't believethat it's actually in the Bible
(42:40):
anywhere that God won't give usmore than we can handle, and
maybe the reason that it's notthere is because we do get more
than we can handle, so that welearn to rely on him because we
can't handle it on our own.
We need him.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Yeah, I think that it has a couple of different
implications there.
Whenever you're talking aboutthat, I think that we get to
learn that from a couple ofdifferent things.
I know 1 Corinthians 10, 13,.
No temptation has overtaken you.
That is common with man.
God is faithful, that he willnot let you be tempted beyond
your ability.
That's 1 Corinthians 10, 13.
(43:19):
And I just think putting thattogether with other verses is
kind of you know, you're goingto be able to stand no matter
what comes your way.
You're going to be able tostand no matter what comes your
way, no matter what God allowsto come in your path.
If you're with him, you can bewith him.
Right, yeah, I would say yes,yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
And I think that's kind of where evil kind of comes
in.
And I know I don't personallyget why the innocent you know
lies, quote unquote innocent,because I mean most of us aren't
innocent to most degrees.
But I think when you look atevil you look at like light.
(44:01):
So we say God is light, andwhat happens when you remove
light?
Speaker 3 (44:08):
There's darkness.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
There's darkness.
So I think that's kind of theevil concept.
When you remove light, itbecomes darkness.
And that's what evil is is Godhas removed himself from those
people and it ultimately soundslike what hell's going to be
like is just a bunch of evilpeople.
(44:31):
Evilness because they say, onceyou go to hell, you've been
removed from God's presence.
When you look at when people dothings awful to others, it
feels like that's the case,right.
It feels like there's no way Inour minds, at least in our
Christian minds.
It feels like there's no way inour minds, at least in our
(44:51):
Christian minds.
It feels like there was no waythat God was a part of that
person.
They were truly evil, whichmeans there was no more light.
You know, within them it wasall darkness.
And I know there's.
You know you start to ask whereyou, you know morality and
stuff comes from.
And we, we all tie that intohow to start somewhere.
(45:13):
Um, it has to start with thatlight.
So I don't know.
Yeah, the the evilness to me isjust light removed in just full
darkness.
And that's what happens inpeople's minds and in people's
hearts, where they justdisregard any type of light, any
type of positivity.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
And the rest is kind of history, unfortunately.
So I remember helping out a guyin his walking life.
He, I want to say, he asked mewhy I thought it worked well
with us, like we just we justclicked.
And I mean this is two years,three years down the road.
(46:01):
He's fixing to be married andyou know just the army guy, all
this stuff, and he's like why,why, why did it?
You know, why did you get ledinto my life and all that?
And the only thing I could tellhim was that he had to have
somebody in his life that heknew was screwed up more than
him.
But he thought I had it alltogether.
(46:25):
You know, I openly shared mypast, I shared my struggles, I
shared the things that I hadhurt people with and that people
had hurt me with.
I'd shared all those things andin my opinion he was like man,
he's doing OK, he's got a wife,he's got a kid, a house, all
this successful guy.
(46:46):
If he could do it, I can too,guy, if he could do it, I can
too.
And I think that that's why itkind of clicked for us, because
I was able to see myself in him,knowing that he could make it
through all that because I madeit through all that stuff that
(47:09):
he was going through and itclicked for him because he saw
that I made it through all that,so it gave him encouragement
that he could make it throughall that.
Yep, so maybe these dark thingshappen to us, pierre, maybe this
stuff occurs in our lives, inour you know, in our circle, so
that we could show people thatwe can make it through it, and
and then we could tell people inthe future you can make it
(47:30):
through it, and then we can tellpeople in the future you can
make it through that, tell youwhat happened to me.
But in order to do that, we dohave to share ourselves with
other people, and we got to putour you know relationships on
the line a little bit by doingso.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Agree.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
Yeah, I agree 100%.
I didn't even talk about this alittle bit before because I
talk about a song by ElevationWorship called Mercy, and the
chorus says I'm alive to tellthe story of how I overcome, and
it kind of plays into what youjust said.
And you know that's the reasonthat some of us go through what
we go through, whether it bedifferent trials with death, you
(48:11):
know.
You know miscarriages,alcoholism or addiction.
Like we, we all can go throughcancer, which we've dealt with
ourselves here too.
So we go through certain thingsthat we can help others along
with um.
At times it's hard to wonderwhy, why certain things happen
(48:34):
to others.
So there's folks with cancerthat don't win their battles.
There's folks that don't wintheir battles with addiction,
and you question that.
It's easy to question God,which is what again takes place
as the first question in theBible that the serpent presents.
But how you answer thatquestion, I think.
But again, it takes place asthe first question in the Bible
(48:55):
that the serpent presents.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
But how you answer that question, I think is key,
because you yourself are in aposition to provide someone hope
, or basically send them downthat darkness rabbit hole and
help them remove the light thatthey have, based off your, your
answer to those questions.
So, essentially, we just got toask ourselves what are we going
to be?
We're going to be the darkness.
Are we going to be the bad newswhich everybody gets all over
the place all the time,infiltrated?
I don't.
I don't even pay attention tothe news at all and I still knew
what kind of the news was alittle bit, pierre.
Are you going to be that personthat's going to just hinder
(49:35):
people A stumbling block maybe,if some people would want to
call it that or are you going tobe the light?
Are you going to be the thingthat pours into others and picks
them up?
Are you going to be that guy?
I think those are the bigquestions that we want to answer
, going into 2025, and havegoals of being somebody that's
(49:55):
going to help other people sleepwell at night.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
Right, Right.
You got to believe there isgood in the world sign and then
it kind of cuts off halfway.
I think we have it in the restof us.
It's be the good.
That's how you believe it.
You be the good yourself.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Be the better.
Work in that catchier be thebetter, be the better.
Sure you say so.
That sounds catchy.
Be the good.
I don't know.
Be the good, that be the better.
That rolls off the tongue,pierre there you go.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
Be 2025, hashtag be the better.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
All right, that's good.
That's it.
That's a wrap.
We'll sum it all up, michelle.
See, if I miss anything here.
We started off 2025 strong,trying to figure out ways to put
good things into our body, notbad things.
That's what this episode wasabout here, and that putting bad
things in will influence us,influence our noose.
(50:54):
It was called noose, that'sGreek.
Okay, all right, so we did that.
Then you said I had a banger.
Going back to Genesis, chapterthree, you said I banged out a
new idea.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
No, I said you did a hot take, said I, I banged out a
new idea.
No, I'm saying a hot, take um.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
And then pierre I think that you know we were we
were talking about all thethings there in uh, all about
satan, and that the firstquestion.
So it was a good show.
It was a good show I think so.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
I think we did well and you know, obviously we
talked about a lot of tragicthings happening.
We got stuff happening stillout in you know LA area and
California with the fires andstuff.
So you know you can't bringthat up without you know saying
you know we're going to pray andI think we should pray.
(51:46):
It's California in generaldealing with the wildfires and
the you know first respondersand stuff that are trying to
fight those wildfires, as wellas those that you know
tragically lost their lives andsome of these other situations.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
OK, I will.
Can I close out the show in theprayer?
Absolutely Sure.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Tell people how they can get in touch with us though,
pierre, just in case theywanted to get in touch with us
and tell us what they thoughtwas going on as well in some of
those things that we had talkedabout.
Yeah, findingfaithlosingsleepat gmailcom or email
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(52:35):
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If you find us entertaining,help others find us entertaining
by giving us some stars andreview.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
We'd greatly appreciate it.
Why would people get in touchwith us?
I mean, I know they could askus.
We kind of give options outthere.
We should dangle something infront of people to get in touch
with us.
Pierre Dangle, what?
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Carrots.
I mean just something.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
I don't even like talking to myself sometimes, but
I mean how about what ifsomebody leaves a comment, or we
see a star or they say hey, Idid that I could pray for that
person specifically.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Yeah, yeah, we're hoping we're praying for
listeners anyways, but yes, wecan.
We can even say it on thepodcast.
If you want, we can do it onthe podcast.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
Oh yeah, they could request it.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Yeah, we can say it out and ask more listeners,
hopefully putting that prayer onmore ears.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
I'm just trying to think of something Because, yes,
it only takes like 15 seconds.
I can mash enough buttons to beable to get something like that
done, right, I can do that, andso it doesn't take a lot of
time.
But it's also one of thosethings where we don't
necessarily want it either.
But it is good to hear frompeople, absolutely, and it is
(53:53):
good for the show if there'ssome stars, some ratings, some
reviews, and the only reason whywe'd want that is to be able to
get that out in front of people.
If the show has been helpful toyou, we hope that you will send
it to somebody to allow it tobe helpful to them as well.
Maybe you know somebody who'strying to kick off their New
Year right, and so you'd be likehey, listen, there are some
crazy people out there.
These are some crazy people andthey're talking about good
(54:14):
things.
So you could do that, andthat's the only reason why we
still don't make a dollar off ofthis, do I no?
Speaker 2 (54:23):
I don't either, not just you.
You said do I?
You said do I?
Speaker 1 (54:27):
That's true.
Well, we got to do better.
Is that what we do better?
Well, be better.
We got to be better, hashtag bebetter.
Technically, you said be thebetter, be the better, be the
better, Be the better better.
All right, all right, I'm goingto close out in prayer and then
we'll be dismissed.
I don't know if that's properto say.
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Father, we do approach youright now, thanking you so much
for an opportunity.
I thank you to be able to gettogether with Pierre and
Michelle and whoever else islistening.
I want to lift up all thosepeople to you.
We just thank you so much forloving us and for being patient
with us, for not destroying usbefore our time.
Father, we thank you forencouraging us along the way to
be able to get to the point towhere we are right now, to where
(55:09):
we can approach you in prayer,asking you to comfort all the
people who have suffered loss in2025.
So far.
Our heart bleeds over to them.
We've done some different things.
I know I've done some differentthings in reaching out to
people to make sure that they'reokay, seeing if they need
anything and, father, help us todo that.
Let us not just observe thenews.
Let us not just observe thenews.
Let us not just observe tragedy, but help us to get involved
(55:31):
with it and get a little bitdirty.
See what we can do to be ableto help those people, because we
want to be those that help outothers is what we want to do.
That allows your light to shinefurther into this world and
further into the darkness, likePierre was talking about.
So give us the abilities to beable to do that, give us the
courage to be able to do thatand the know-how.
(55:53):
And, father, as situations comeup in our life, help us to not
ignore them, but to be active,to be proactive, not for our
glory, but for your glory.
Father.
We thank you so much for lovingus, for being patient with us,
for being kind with us, and wepray that you'll continue to do
so.
In Jesus' name.
We pray all these things, amen.
it's time to wake up and pray up here on the finding
faith and losing sleep podcast.
Thank you so much for joiningus for episode number.
I'm gonna guess, pierre, I'mguessing what episode this is 27
no, we're in the 30s, likewhere you been.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I think we're like 34 .
You're like seven episodesbehind.
He took a few off.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
I have said it many times on this podcast you can
always go back and listen to thepast podcast to hear the funny
little comments that I make thatyou'll go.
That guy just doesn't.
Why am I even listening to thatguy?
I don't pay attention to time.
I just absolutely do not.
Sometimes I do like maybe I'lllock it in, that this is 34.
And so next time I'll get 35.
But once we get to the 40s I'llhave no idea again what episode
(00:47):
we're on.
Pierre.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I just start over at one point, just throw you all
off.
Start over at season two,episode one.
You'll be really confused.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I am Wesley Easley, one of the hosts, and, of course
, over in there in Indiana Wait,indiana, very cold up there in
Indianaiana.
I bet this time of year it ispierre and michelle.
They are a married couple andthey uh decided to do a podcast
and invite me along for the ridevery cold indeed, single digits
, um snow still on the groundbeen there for barely about a
(01:16):
week enough.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Um, you can't tell she likes the snow.
I don't but, yeah, yeah, we'realong for this finding faith,
losing sleep journey, uh, plus30 episodes west, just so you're
aware again, and, uh, lookingforward to diving in.
We've been almost a month and ahalf since we recorded, so it's
good to get back behind the mic.
Hopefully everyone had a happyholidays and having a good start
to the new year, which hasn'tbeen the case for everyone I am
(01:41):
not having a good start for thenew year, pierre.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It is about to snow here in Alabama, hey.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Congratulations.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
That's not fun down here.
That'll be fun, though.
We'll get the four-wheelers out.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
We'll get the big old trucks out.
You can get snow down there.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Well, yeah, except for the bread man.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Oh that's true.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
You've got to make bread and milk sandwiches down
this way.
I don't know why restaurants donot have bread and milk
sandwiches on the menu.
They need to have it becauseit's a very popular item this
time of year.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
According to the store shelves for sure.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
But Pierre, tell everybody just at the front part
, so they can continue to fastforward over all this until we
get to the actual talking part,how they can get in touch with
us if they would like to.
All this until we get to theactual talking part, how?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
they can get in touch with us if they would like to.
Yeah, so you got an email.
Findingfaithlosingsleep atgmailcom.
We're over on X, formerlyTwitter at FindingFaithPod.
You can text us through theshow notes.
If you go to the podcast itself, you should get a text message
format there.
We're hosted through Buzzsprout.
I guess I've never given them ashout out.
(02:46):
We're hosted through Buzzsprout.
You can hit up us over onBuzzsprout as well.
So, yeah, you got some ways ofoutreaching us.
Feel free to do so.
Any suggestions concerns youcan send the Westin Michelle,
and we just appreciateeverything you do All your
compliments.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Send it to Pierre.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Somehow the show's script has gotten flipped.
I don't know how that hashappened.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
It has happened.
Excuse me, that's what happens.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
And you said, hey, we got to get recording.
I said, okay, let's record.
And then what's the episodegoing to be about?
And you told me that it's just.
You know, you wanted to gothrough the headlines.
That's what this show's about.
We try to talk about the thingsthat keep us up late at night,
maybe, and don't allow us tosleep, and we do that maybe
through a biblical lens, maybe aChristian lens.
I don't know how you want tosay that.
That's just who we are, though,as people, and I think that
(03:32):
that's a good thing to look atthings like that.
However you are, and I hopethat we can all have respect for
one another as we view lifethrough our own lenses of how
we've been brought up or howwe've raised.
And here's the thing for melike I want to continue my
education, I want to continuelearning how to make my lenses
maybe a little bit clearer or atleast know what I'm looking at
(03:54):
a little bit better.
And so, as we come at you withmaybe some biblical thoughts and
everything, just know wehaven't gone to school, we're
not some big, deep theologicalseminary people or anything.
We just have been working outour faith with fear and
trembling, like we're supposedto.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Amen.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, and a couple of rabbit holes.
We're working out a couple ofrabbit holes.
This is me.
I put down a couple of rabbitholes, pierre, for sure he's got
holes dug all over this house.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Oh boy, oh boy, Got things buried in there too.
Maybe, Pierre, Get your bonesout of there.
Hey, you said that you wantedto talk about the headlines,
like I said, so you're going tohave to tell me about these
headlines.
Okay, I'd never even heard ofthat.
So I'm sure these things dokeep people up late at night,
and I'm sure the headlinesdefinitely in the news.
As you get bombarded with allthis stuff day in and day out,
it's kind of why I've just notbeen watching the news much or
even keeping up with it how Iusually do through the headlines
(04:58):
on my phone or through Twitteror through social media or
something.
I just haven't been payingattention, Pierre.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Well, I'm going to answer for him.
Imagine that.
But I was like what do you mean, wes?
What do you mean?
You haven't been listening,because usually you're the
person that tells us, hey, didyou hear about this or did you
hear about that.
But you two were talking beforewe came on and I literally was
like I have no idea what theheck you two just said in the
last few minutes.
(05:24):
So yeah, go ahead, pierre.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I mean it's hard to like I don't watch the news, but
it's just hard to avoid kind ofwhat's kind of taking place to
start the year.
So first up, you had like theNew Orleans situation right on
like New Year's Eve.
Right on New Year's Eve, soright after New Year, there was
a truck that drove into a crowddown there on Bourbon Street
celebrating bringing in New Yearand a lot of people lost their
(05:51):
lives out of that situation.
And it was interesting becauseI believe that the report came
out and again, you never knowwhat some of the reports, but it
came out.
It was a former US militarymember but had like an ISIS flag
in his truck, so that took part.
And then a few days later therewas a Tesla Cybertruck in Vegas
(06:17):
out in front of Trump Tower thatblew up and you look at the
footage for that and it wassomeone in the same base and I'm
not even sure if they were inthe same battalion.
The guy that went into thecrowd in New Orleans was the one
that had the Cybertruck inVegas and blew up.
The Cybertruck out in front ofTrump Tower there in Vegas, and
(06:40):
I think Queens was another one,there was someone that went in
and shot up like a nightclub orsomething.
So all this was like within acouple days of 2025.
So really, really rocky start.
And now you got the stuff outin California.
That's not necessarily a person, just nature kind of going its
course, but that's a lot oftragedy kind of taking place to
start off this new year.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
You said so was the person in Queens like an Army
person too?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
did not.
I did not know the the queensget up, I just know that they
I'm pretty sure it was anightclub they went in and kind
of opened fire on quite a fewhoax there.
I could probably look it up andsee if anything ever came out
with what happened with theshooter, but it wasn't one.
I really dive in again.
I don't watch the news, butthese things just popped up so
quickly that I was like boom,there they are.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
So you said the first two were Army people.
Both had ISIS things.
I think you said I did see someof that.
Let me guess this.
I'm going to guess because myhead has been buried in the sand
a little bit, just not payingattention, trying to
purposefully not pay attention.
Do you know if both of thoseindividuals that were part of
(07:48):
the Army thing were?
They both out of Fort Braggpossibly?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
It's possible.
I don't remember the fort, butI know they were the same
location.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Google it.
Google it real quick.
I'm very curious whether or notit was Fort Bragg.
And while you do that, pierre,if you don't mind, if you can,
if you have the technologicaltechnical abilities to be able
to do that, while Michelle and Italk for just a little bit,
michelle, it's not a great wayto start off 2025.
But did you have any kind ofresolutions this year to do
(08:17):
something new or different froma spiritual standpoint that
would give you peace andcalmness in these kind of times
of turmoil?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
spiritual standpoint that would give you peace and
calmness in these kind of timesof turmoil.
Well, I didn't, initially,other than trying to stay
vigilant, right, but my bestfriend actually sent me
something that said let's dothis together and believe it or
not I haven't even responded toher yet, but I watched it, what
she said, and it was somethingalong the lines of.
Yet, but I watched it, what shesaid, and it was something
(08:49):
along the lines of in order tochange, like how you see things
and how you feel about things,and change your mind into a more
positive mindset.
It was something along thelines of before you ever pick up
your phone for the day to readtwo verses or two pieces of
scripture quickly and then threetimes a day, even if it's just
for 30 seconds, to like get onyour knees and pray, so it could
(09:13):
be morning, noon or night orjust as you think about it
through the day.
But to be intentional, like umto Christian music or some sort
of, you know, faith based music,to um kind of switch your
(09:33):
mindset when you're in a roughplace.
And so there were.
There were a couple others thatI can't remember off the top of
my head, um, but those are thethree that I kind of latched
onto no-transcript into.
(10:12):
So I don't know if it's aresult of that or not, but I'm
ready to flip out of it.
I can tell you that.
How was what about you?
Speaker 1 (10:20):
What about me?
I, I kind of made a deal withGod and I it's on my terms, not
his really Right?
You know what I mean?
Like all right, lord, uh, mydaughter, my daughter's in her
last little year of being at thehouse here.
She's a senior in high school.
I've got a couple more monthsleft with her.
I love to be able to connectwith her somehow, some way,
spiritually, even a little bitmore than what we have in the
past.
I just got to figure that out,lord.
(10:42):
I'll tell you what you figureit out for me and I'll just
follow your footsteps.
And I shouldn't be doing thisanyway.
So I'm just going to stop doingit.
You know, like I, like I giveup something, right, right.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
So I so.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I did.
I gave up some and and then, loand behold, she texted me out
of the blue it's like the firstor the second of January and she
said what version of the Bibledid you listen to last year?
So I told her what version itwas and you guys past episodes.
We know how excited I was aboutlistening to the Bible audibly
(11:15):
and everything.
So I told her which one it was.
I asked her why.
She told me when I got home.
So I came home and she told meand I said well, is that an
invite?
Are you inviting me to listento the Bible in a year with you?
And she said she was.
So that's what we're doing.
How about that?
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
That is so cool.
Isn't that amazing, how Godworks.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
No, it is.
And you know you look for thoselittle signs where you're like,
okay, you're listening, Iappreciate you listening, you
know, and it gives you thetingles, gives me the tingles
anyway, gives me the brotherfries.
So doing that again with herthis time it's too slow for me.
I'm going to be honest with you.
I told you guys, I binged itright At the end.
(11:56):
I was binging it and then I wasdone like a month earlier and
everything, I want more.
I want more of it.
I don't want to do just one aday.
I'm like I got to do anotherBible reading plan or something
on top of it.
So that's what I plan on doingto get my mind right.
What about, pierre?
Do you have one Answer?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
the first question first, pierre, before I forget
it, so they overlapped at FortBragg, both men, and apparently
again in Afghanistan.
But there's no evidence thatthey knew each other.
But based off the timing ofthem serving, yes, they did
overlap at Fort Bragg, which Ibelieve is a different name now,
like Fort Knight or somethinglike that.
(12:34):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Fort Knight.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Come on.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Pierre, that's your.
You're playing video games.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Right, they renamed it, it's not Fort.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Bragg anymore is it?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Hold on on, let me look at.
No, no, I don't, I don't know II'm.
I get confused on who's thatwhere and what's.
Is that army navy?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
but yeah, I just get confused on all that stuff, it's
army, it's in north carolina mymom was there when she was
younger so I mean go ahead.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
I don't, I don't know what goes on at each one of the
army bases and I I'd probably.
It's just all speculation tostart with, and people maybe
have speculated these thingsbecause they come up with what
they see on movies or televisionand they just run with it a
little bit.
But there is those the MKUltrais what it's called MKUltra,
where it's mind-control type ofthings, where maybe Jason Bourne
(13:23):
, I think Bourne Identity, thatkind of series, you know where,
that person I think that FortBragg was well known for that If
you Google and research thatyou'll probably find some things
like that.
But it leads us into what we'retalking about tonight when,
pierre, you talk about theheadlines and I think you even
mentioned to me, you know, evilin the world and stuff, and
we're talking about that.
Pierre, you talk about theheadlines and I think you even
(13:44):
mentioned to me, you know evilin the world and stuff, and
we're talking about that.
Michelle, you talked about howto get out of that mindset and
thinking about positive things.
I love thinking about positivethings and just getting out of
that mindset and really beforeyou brought up the show, pierre,
I never thought about that.
That wasn't what was keeping meup at night this year so far I
never thought about that.
(14:04):
That wasn't what was keeping meup at night this year so far.
Keeping me up at night iswanting to be more entrenched in
God's Word, and for me that canlead to some sleepless nights
wondering what the world istalking about.
But it also just leads me tosleepless nights because I'm
desiring Him more.
Pierre.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
I mean, which is good .
Like it says seeking you shallfind.
So it sounds like you're on theright track there.
Fort Liberty, by the way I saidFort Knight is known as Fort
Liberty now, but yeah, I think,I think that often starts a new
year too, though, like if you,if you are going down a faith
journey, a lot of times the newyear is like your chance,
because you do have you knowdifferent types of lesson plans,
(14:42):
have you know different typesof lesson plans.
You do have the one-year Biblewhich you know I've done I think
this year I've just done likePsalms and Proverbs versus the
whole thing, because I just gotdone doing the whole thing, so
now I'm just doing Psalms andProverbs just to make sure I'm
continuing to stay in there.
A lot of churches, like mine,our church right now, is doing
21 days of prayer to start offthe new year as well with prayer
(15:03):
and fasting.
So it's just that time of yearwhere you know folks are seeking
, they're searching, you know,for something more, for
something better, sometimes justfor something else in general
in their lives.
And you know, I think it's good, I think it's good to dive into
the Bible, I think it's good toask questions, which is what we
do a lot on this show.
(15:24):
Just because it is, it can beconfusing.
There's a lot of different youknow language that's been
translated, you know, into theBible from its original text and
it's just trying to dive intoit for our own understanding,
even though we're not supposedto lay into our own
understanding.
That's kind of what we do.
We try to get it in our ownterms, get it on our own
platform, so we can actuallyunderstand what it is we're
(15:47):
reading.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Michelle, can you jump over to I don't know if you
can 1 Corinthians 14, 14?
.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yep hold on.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Okay, here you talked about understanding, and it's
hard not to say understandingover and over again.
I've been learning some newthings and I've been trying to
study this stuff a little bitmore, just so I can deepen my
relationship with God and deepenmy relationship with His Word
to make more sense of this world, pierre, and we can jump back
over into Job, which I knowwe're going to end up doing at
some point whenever we'retalking about evil and stuff
(16:17):
like that.
But 1 Corinthians 14, 14, yougot it?
No, not yet.
Okay, I can ramble a little bitmore, I got it.
Okay.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Do you want me to read it?
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Oh, please do Out loud, would be better for
everybody.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I'll just read it to myself, for if I pray in a
tongue and my spirit prays, butmy mind is unfruitful, so what
shall I do?
I will pray with my spirit, butI will also pray with my
understanding.
I will sing with my spirit, butI will also sing with my
understanding.
Otherwise, when you arepraising God in the spirit, how
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can someone else, who is now putin the position of an inquirer,
say amen to your thanksgiving,since they do not know what you
are saying?
You're giving thanks, wellenough, but no one is edified.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Okay, that's great, you hear how he distinguished
praying in the spirit andpraying with understanding.
There were two different thingsthere and, from what I'm
learning, the word understandingor mind praying with my mind,
is called noose Noose I'mprobably going to go into this
(17:24):
lesson.
I'm going to hang myself withthe noose here in a minute.
I don't know everything I'mtalking about, but the noose is
one of those things where youwant to have that understanding
and you want to have that peacethat comes with knowing what
you're talking about, whatyou're praying about, and it not
(17:45):
only is beneficial for you but,as Paul said here, it's
beneficial for others as well.
Beneficial for you, but, asPaul said here, it's beneficial
for others as well.
You see that you know when he's, you know he wants it to be
edifying for others.
Over in Romans it was reallyinteresting in how he talked
about it here Romans, chapter 7,verses 22 and 23.
For I delight in the law of Godaccording to the inward man
right, the noose, the inward man.
(18:05):
But I see another law in mymembers warring against the law
of my mind, my noose, andbringing me into captivity to
the law of sin which is in mymembers.
And you said, michelle, at thebeginning of the show your
friend encouraged you to do thisat the beginning of the year
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and everything and just allthose things, pierre, like you
talked about the praying for 21days that your church is doing,
it's so important that we arecareful about what we have
coming into our mind, into oureyes, into our ears.
We've got to be so careful.
(18:47):
It even works into that MKUltrastuff here just a little bit,
because a lot of times thatinvolves torturing techniques,
if I understand it correctly, tokind of break down the mind, to
break down the spirit, to openup the noose in your body to
absorb things that you don'tnecessarily want it to absorb,
(19:07):
because whatever it absorbs iswhat ends up coming out.
You are what you put in toyourself, right, and so you know
.
Paul's saying there in Romans,it's waging war against me.
Paul's saying there in Romans,it's waging war against me.
(19:28):
I've got the outside of meseeing the headlines, watching
this stuff, watching the evil.
It's making me stay up at night.
I might be inserting some wordsthere for the Apostle Paul, but
the point is he is strugglingwith what's going on in the
world because he has his innerself wanting to do the right
things.
It's hard to do that sometimes,pierre.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
It's very hard, and it's harder for us, I think,
today, just because technology,social media, has given us
quicker and easier access towhat's happening around us, so
much more information Thanobviously would have been taking
place back then, we're not justconcerned about, you know, our
neighborhood, like we're seeingthings all over the world and
(20:12):
kind of what's taking place inthe sorrows and tragedies that
are happening which you knowback in those times you wouldn't
have known, you know.
So I think it's more, moreburden on our shoulders a bit,
because we we are made aware ofultimately negative news.
Like you watch the news there's.
There's rarely anythingpositive that's on the actual
(20:35):
news.
I know there's differentchannels and stuff, but it's
usually political.
It usually opens up with sometype of crime that took place
somewhere.
Someone got shot, someone gotrobbed.
The sad part about that is, Ithink that's what people are
drawn to for some reason,because if they weren't then
they wouldn't watch it.
If you're not watching it, thenthe news isn't going to air it.
(20:57):
Does that make sense?
I don't know.
What have we done?
I guess would be the question.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
There's a reason that curiosity killed the cat.
Yeah, why are we so curiouswith negative things, I think?
I mean, I personally feel likewe're almost inclined to
negativity, like.
(21:37):
What I mean by that is, I thinkwe defer to negative somewhat
naturally of a struggle, um, tochoose to see everything.
I mean, you and I just had thisconversation the other night.
It's, it's I choose to be happy, like, and I am happy, but that
(21:59):
isn't always the easy ordefault thing, I guess.
I guess that's well.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
It's tough because I think so.
Like one of the things that I Iconstantly hear people discuss
is death, and it drives me crazy.
Like rachel tell you I, I Idon't like having those
conversations.
I know it happens.
We're all going to hit thatpoint at some point.
Everyone does.
I feel like that has been socomfortable.
(22:31):
Folks just walk up to you, hey,so-and-so passed away, even my
family members.
Sometimes I don't hear fromthem.
Then they call me and I'm likesomeone must have died, because
that's the only time I hear fromthem.
Call me with good news.
Me and Michelle have back andforth times where she'll say
something and it's negative inmy mind.
(22:53):
She's just trying to inform me,but in my mind it's negative.
I'm like why don't you tell methat?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Tell me something good, he gets mad at me.
I'm like I'm just trying totell you.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Her family does it too.
I've been around them.
It's just natural.
This person did this.
This person's sick.
How about the person that'shappy, the one that had a baby?
It's just interesting how folksjust seem to be drawn to
sharing when something tragichappens over, when something
(23:22):
maybe exciting happens.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
I think that's just because people don't always
share.
Hey, olivia got an A on herreport card, like I do.
But like that's I mean peoplewant to know if something bad
has happened to someone theylove and then they can pray for
other people.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
But they don't.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Why.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I don't think they do .
I think most people try toavoid when something bad happens
to someone they love, and thenthey can pray for other people,
but they don't why.
I don't think they do.
I think most people try toavoid.
When something bad happens tosomeone, yeah, they might want
to be aware of it, but theydon't want to be a part of it.
They just want to know.
And then they disappear or theygo and run.
I used to be one that ran awayfrom things like that.
My mom got sick or something.
I didn't want to have to dealwith it.
I want to know she was sick,but I didn't want to have to.
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You know, see her suffer andall that stuff.
No one wants to see that, butfor some reason they want to
make you aware of whensomething's happening.
So I don't know, that's just myopinion.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
I think people are just trying to keep you informed
.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
I don't even know what we're talking about anymore
.
I'll be honest, it's negativity, negative news.
Do you experience that, or isit all?
Speaker 1 (24:31):
sunshine and rainbows there in Alabama?
No, we do.
And sometimes I come home andmy two girls are homeschooled
and everything and I'm like holycow, I should have just stayed
at work.
You know, this has been a wildhouse.
The minute I walked in the dooris what I'm usually thinking,
especially whenever I'm gone fora long time Mondays, thursdays.
Boy, I tell you, it's just awild house right there.
(24:51):
I got to figure out a way tobring the peace into the house,
because that's what we'resupposed to be.
We're supposed to bepeacemakers, you know, and those
kind of people will be blessedis what those people will be, is
what Jesus says.
So I think that we've got tofigure out ways to do that and
just counteract it.
Anytime I hear negative news oranything, I listen, I listen.
I try not to be the bearer ofnegative news.
(25:13):
Sometimes I am, when I guess I'mdisgruntled about something
that may be a new policy orsomething like that.
None of it is ever right.
But how many new policies atwork have we had come down the
pipeline and nobody likes them,because nobody likes change.
But there's been a million ofthem and the world is still
(25:35):
standing.
You know what I mean.
Maybe we should take thosemaybe in stride a little bit
better.
Maybe we shouldn't justoverreact and start complaining
like everybody else does, maybebringing out the positive nature
of well, I'm old enough toremember when this happened and
we're all still here, we're allstill employed, everything's
(25:56):
still fine, so we'll just try tomake the best of it.
Maybe that kind of attitudewould help out in many different
areas.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I mean it would for sure you, you talk about what
was it?
Carrying the soldiers backpacks, and you know jesus stated if
they actually go a mile, go anextra mile, like that's kind of
that same mentality.
Uh, not complaining about it,just you know, do what you need
to do and be happy about it.
Maybe not even happy, just becontent, right, be content in
(26:26):
all circumstances.
But it's hard because we're Ithink we're all selfish, whether
we want to be or not.
Like most of us are selfish orwe like things our way and our
timing.
And even when we try to beflexible, like we still get in
our own way at times.
And the same happens when likepolicies come down.
(26:48):
Like the reason that we'reupset and disgruntled is because
we're, we're in our own selfishways.
We like the way things were.
Sometimes it's logic where weunderstand you know our business
better than some of thedecision makers that are
bringing some of those policiesdown, but you know it's still
their business and money, so youjust kind of got to deal with
it.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
That you do.
You brought up evil.
You said something about evilwhenever we first communicated
about doing the episode.
So I'm like, all right, evil,let's go back.
Let's go to the Bible timeshere.
Evil when was the first timethere was evil in the world?
You know that kind of stuff,stuff, and you can't help but
think about the garden of edenand the tree of knowledge of
good and evil, right and uh, thewhole thing that was going on
(27:29):
there.
We've talked about it a coupleof different times in past
episodes that you can hear ourperspective on some of those
things.
But this is, this is one, um, aperspective about the knowledge
of good and evil.
Think about this, and this isjust a new one.
Okay, this new one, we're alljust sitting around a coffee
table talking, right?
So don't think that old Westhinks this because I wasn't
(27:49):
there in the Garden of Eden.
I wasn't there.
In case you don't know, I'm notthat old.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
My eyes aren't that bad Breaking news.
Wes was not in the Garden ofEden.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
So you know, we're kind of speculating on all that
stuff anyway, right A little bit.
So let's just speculate if wecan.
So you got Adam and Eve and Godsaid to them what did you guys
remember what he said?
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Which part he said a lot of things.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah, he did say a lot of things About the tree of
the knowledge of good and evil.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Do not eat from it.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Don't eat from it, right, or else you'll surely die
too right Did he say that?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
All right, I'll read it a little bit.
Can I read it a little bit?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
By the way, my wife and daughter each got me a Bible
.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Oh yeah Big print, big print, it doesn't matter
what version.
I could take a hint, you know.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Big print.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
No more chips.
Is that what you're saying?
Now, the serpent was morecrafty than any beast to the
field which the Lord God hadmade.
And he said to the woman indeedhas God said, indeed has God
said, you shall not eat from anytree of the garden.
And the woman said to theserpent from the tree of the
garden we may eat, boy.
That's the new Bible.
(29:06):
You guys got to bear with me alittle bit.
That big prince is not workingfor you.
Indeed, has God said, you shallnot eat from any tree of the
garden.
And the woman said to theserpent from the fruit of the
trees of the garden we may eat,but from the fruit of the tree
which is in the middle of thegarden, god has said you shall
not eat from it or touch it,lest you die.
And the serpent said to thewoman oh, you're not going to
(29:28):
die, for God knows that in thatday that you eat from it, your
eyes will be opened and you willbe like God, knowing good and
evil.
And the woman saw that it wasgood for food, that she took it
and then she gave it to herhusband, and all that All right.
We know that it feels like bothparties kind of added a little
bit to it, you know, to make itmore, did they die that day Like
(29:51):
we think of death.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Maybe not.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Well.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Not like we think of it Not like we think of it, no.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Okay, and how did they die, michelle?
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I mean, I think they died.
I don't even know how toexplain it.
The goodness and theperfectness that was around them
died maybe.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
No, no, I think you're right and you know he had
them in the perfect environment.
Like you said, the goodness ofthe perfect in the perfect
environment in the Garden ofEden, right, Pierre?
Yeah that's our understanding.
Me too, me too.
And when they ate it they diddie, because now they couldn't
(30:39):
be in that garden anymore.
He had to kick them out of thatgarden.
That's fair.
It kind of is fair, becausewhat was the other tree there?
Life, the tree of life, rightand?
And god even said, well, we got, we can't let them stay here,
because if they, if they do,then they're going to eat the,
the, the other tree, the tree,and and be, uh, forever lasting,
(31:02):
like we are.
But they'll be in a sinfulstate, right, because they
sinned against God, because nowthey know good and evil, they
covered themselves up and theykind of felt a little ashamed of
what they did, or they justknew good and evil.
Here's a new perspective.
What if God one day was goingto let them eat from the tree of
(31:25):
knowledge of good and evil?
As a father, one of my jobs andI've said this on past podcasts
was to protect the innocence ofmy children for as long as I
possibly can, because there'snothing like being a child and
just not knowing right fromwrong.
I mean, you may know a littlebit of right from wrong, but you
(31:48):
know just the innocence of achild.
You know what I mean, that'svery true.
And what if God was trying toprotect these people from
knowing good and evil for a longtime until they became mature
enough to know good and evil?
Long time, until they becamemature enough to know good and
evil?
We don't explain everythinghardcore to our kids.
(32:08):
Until we think that they canunderstand some of those topics,
like death for example, we maystart inserting other things.
You know, oh, they just went tosleep and instead of telling
them they'll never come backagain, you kind of give it a
little bit to your kids as theycan handle it as they get mature
.
Yeah, go ahead.
(32:35):
I was going to say.
Well, let me finish thatthought.
What if just it wasn't time yetto know good and evil for Adam
and Eve?
They weren't able to handle ityet, and by knowing sin at that
state they definitely couldn'thandle the tree of life.
(32:57):
At that point they couldn'thandle that.
They couldn't, you know, theycouldn't handle that.
What if God was going to feedthem with both of these things
at some point in their level, intheir walk with him?
But they just kind of sped itup a little bit and he couldn't
allow them to endure thatanymore.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Isn't that just like us to want to do it in our own
time?
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah, they say God's timing is perfect, but we still
try to do things in our owntiming.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Not much has changed.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
It has not.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
And here's the thing too they were doing fine.
Right, they were doing fine.
I don't know how long they werein the Garden of Eden before
the serpent came up there andstarted talking to her but they
were doing fine until theoutside forces started messing
with them.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
So what's the first?
Speaker 1 (33:46):
question in the Bible .
Wes.
I don't know what's the firstquestion in the Bible.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
You were right around it.
It's the serpent asking,basically questioning God, like
has God truly said he may nottake fruit from any tree?
That's the first question askedin the Bible and it's basically
questioning God, god, so thatkind of sets the stage for me,
for that whole, for all mankind,is the the first question
(34:14):
that's that's presented isquestioning god and what he,
what he stated, which I findinteresting.
There's a lot of questions inthe Bible and you go through it
now, but the first one is did hetruly say that?
How often do we question evenour own faith?
(34:34):
It's pretty interesting andthat's what set the stage when
you look at, I think, thedownfall of most folks in their
faith and some of their baddecisions is they question God,
like is he truly who he says heis, or is he truly who the Bible
says he is?
And that sets the stage for ourown downfalls.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Well, and wouldn't it be really prevalent in times
like this where these tragedieshave happened, like why would,
why would these things beallowed to happen and why by now
?
And why?
Why?
My family members or my lovedones like so, but Wes, I have to
say that was probably one ofthe best like hot takes, that
and perspectives I think you'vegiven in a while.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
That was he'd been cold.
Apparently he's been cold, butthat one was pretty hot 2025?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
hot, hey, here's the question too.
Yeah, how about this?
One did, did.
Do you think satan knew theanswer?
The devil, the serpent, I'msorry, serpent?
Do you think serpent knew theanswer?
No, absolutely yeah yeah, hedid, didn't he?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I mean mean, if you think, I know you said the
serpent, but if it was trulyLucifer who took that form,
Lucifer who was kind of God'sright-hand angel from the way
it's described, of course heknew that.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Mm-hmm.
So now we're going into Jobbuddy.
We're just jumping into all thehot topics of 2024.
Back in past podcasts you canlisten to further details about
all these things and some otherthoughts and see how thoughts
kind of expand during this time.
So if the book of Job and weget into Genesis chapter 6 too,
(36:20):
there and everything, if thoseare fallen angels right, I was
trying to put myself in themindset those are fallen angels,
right, I was trying to putmyself in the mindset of a
fallen angel, Pierre.
I know, I won't tell you whatoutfit I was wearing.
Why would he be jealous of God?
Why?
(36:41):
Why would he be jealous of God?
Can I, can I tell you?
Can I tell you what I think?
It's a sure question, and andpeople can uh write into us uh
thing was up the very first partof the podcast.
Pierre will put all the contactinformation again at the very
end of the podcast.
It'll probably be connected tothe podcast somehow some way,
(37:02):
and and you can let me know whatyou think.
Yeah, why would a fallen angelbe jealous of God?
Because, in my opinion, hecreated this stuff and he
created people, and people aregiving back to God somehow some
way, some kind of adoration, anddoesn't that make you jealous
(37:24):
when people are kind of gettingmore attention than you?
It doesn't bother me whenpeople do that to others, but
I'm just saying that is one ofthose seven deadly sins, either,
jealousy, and you have.
Then, maybe a fallen angeldoesn't necessarily have to be
Satan, doesn't necessarily haveto be Lucifer, we don't know.
(37:46):
It seems to be many, though.
I mean, if you read back intothe book of Job, it seems to be
many, though.
If you read back into the bookof Job.
It seems to be many differentones just roaming around to and
fro on the earth.
You know, if it he's theirs now, I'm sorry, they are his now.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Adam and Eve well, that's what I think he was
jealous of.
We talked about that before,but that my theory is?
I'm not sure he was initially.
I know how the Bible is kind oflaid out, but my rabbit hole
brain says that he was.
He was jealous of Adam and Eveand it doesn't say when he was
fallen.
Like I've kind of read through,you know, and try to find this
(38:27):
out with the Bible doesn'tnecessarily specify when he fell
.
So I feel like he was there toprotect them.
He became jealous and then thefall was when he basically
deceived them, is my opinion.
So I think he was jealous ofAdam and Eve, he deceived them
and then that's when he fell,from the grace of God.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Well, look at you two giving all these fresh
perspectives on it, Because hewas God's chosen right?
Is that what you're saying?
Before Adam and Eve and now allof a?
Speaker 1 (38:57):
sudden he's got some competition.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
And not just competition.
What did God do for Adam?
He gave him authority overearth.
So if you're someone'sright-hand man and you just see
someone, someone else getcreated and all of a sudden they
have more authority than whatyou feel like you have that's
not going to work.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Yeah, because, like then, that work isn't that how
it goes.
Like in your job, like even nowyou put in all the work and
then you see some person come infresh off the street and all of
a sudden you've got to trainthem for a job maybe you applied
for.
That's happened to me.
It's really frustrating.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
And he gave them a woman.
Yeah, very true.
So then, at Genesis 6, what didthey say?
Hey, that woman looked good,and then we could create our own
people.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Mm-hmm yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
That's why they can't follow.
There's going to be more ofthem.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Yeah, I'm just putting it all together.
We're solving life's problemshere.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
One at a time.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
One at a time One at a time.
Yeah, we are.
Yeah, here's another.
Can I go?
We talk about evil.
Why do bad things happen togood people?
And when that kind of questionback to talking about all the
things that have been going onin the world in 2025.
Head and we got to ask thatquestion what about good things
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happen to bad people?
Bad things happen to goodpeople?
Both those questions are askedin the book of Job and here's a
thought I had about Job and, ofcourse, in my reading plan.
That's where we are kind of, soI was thinking about this
recently.
We talk about being able tohandle a lot of different
situations in life and that Godisn't going to give us more than
what we can handle.
We've talked about that in pastepisodes as well.
(40:53):
We know Job was a very wealthyman and he seemed to be a little
bit famous in that area, verywell-respected, all those things
but we don't know what happenedto Job before all this.
We kind of pick up Job.
It feels like in his olderstate.
You know what I mean?
He's got a bunch of kids andall that stuff.
(41:14):
We don't know what happened toJob before all this and
obviously, knowing the ending ofJob, god didn't allow things to
happen to him more than what hecould handle.
So maybe Job had a reallytumultuous life before we got
introduced to him.
Maybe there were some reallybad things that happened to Job
(41:35):
even before all this stuffhappened.
And that's the way God do.
Hey, you can do whatever youwant to to him.
My man Job is strong.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
You know he's going to be able to be able to handle
all this stuff.
But on the flip side, wouldSatan have really questioned
Job's righteousness at thatpoint?
Because he kind of questions it, stating you know, this guy
basically has it all and that'sthe only reason he's righteous.
So if he's had some tumultuouspast, wouldn't Satan have also
(42:10):
known that?
And that that's not why he wasrighteous?
Maybe so?
Speaker 3 (42:20):
To my knowledge, the Bible doesn't actually say that
God won't give you more than youcan handle Anywhere.
I think that's something we'veall kind of come up with over
the years and it's beensomething that that us as humans
have said, but I don't believethat it's actually in the Bible
(42:40):
anywhere that God won't give usmore than we can handle, and
maybe the reason that it's notthere is because we do get more
than we can handle, so that welearn to rely on him because we
can't handle it on our own.
We need him.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Yeah, I think that it has a couple of different
implications there.
Whenever you're talking aboutthat, I think that we get to
learn that from a couple ofdifferent things.
I know 1 Corinthians 10, 13,.
No temptation has overtaken you.
That is common with man.
God is faithful, that he willnot let you be tempted beyond
your ability.
That's 1 Corinthians 10, 13.
(43:19):
And I just think putting thattogether with other verses is
kind of you know, you're goingto be able to stand no matter
what comes your way.
You're going to be able tostand no matter what comes your
way, no matter what God allowsto come in your path.
If you're with him, you can bewith him.
Right, yeah, I would say yes,yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
And I think that's kind of where evil kind of comes
in.
And I know I don't personallyget why the innocent you know
lies, quote unquote innocent,because I mean most of us aren't
innocent to most degrees.
But I think when you look atevil you look at like light.
(44:01):
So we say God is light, andwhat happens when you remove
light?
Speaker 3 (44:08):
There's darkness.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
There's darkness.
So I think that's kind of theevil concept.
When you remove light, itbecomes darkness.
And that's what evil is is Godhas removed himself from those
people and it ultimately soundslike what hell's going to be
like is just a bunch of evilpeople.
(44:31):
Evilness because they say, onceyou go to hell, you've been
removed from God's presence.
When you look at when people dothings awful to others, it
feels like that's the case,right.
It feels like there's no way Inour minds, at least in our
Christian minds.
It feels like there's no way inour minds, at least in our
(44:51):
Christian minds.
It feels like there was no waythat God was a part of that
person.
They were truly evil, whichmeans there was no more light.
You know, within them it wasall darkness.
And I know there's.
You know you start to ask whereyou, you know morality and
stuff comes from.
And we, we all tie that intohow to start somewhere.
(45:13):
Um, it has to start with thatlight.
So I don't know.
Yeah, the the evilness to me isjust light removed in just full
darkness.
And that's what happens inpeople's minds and in people's
hearts, where they justdisregard any type of light, any
type of positivity.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
And the rest is kind of history, unfortunately.
So I remember helping out a guyin his walking life.
He, I want to say, he asked mewhy I thought it worked well
with us, like we just we justclicked.
And I mean this is two years,three years down the road.
(46:01):
He's fixing to be married andyou know just the army guy, all
this stuff, and he's like why,why, why did it?
You know, why did you get ledinto my life and all that?
And the only thing I could tellhim was that he had to have
somebody in his life that heknew was screwed up more than
him.
But he thought I had it alltogether.
(46:25):
You know, I openly shared mypast, I shared my struggles, I
shared the things that I hadhurt people with and that people
had hurt me with.
I'd shared all those things andin my opinion he was like man,
he's doing OK, he's got a wife,he's got a kid, a house, all
this successful guy.
(46:46):
If he could do it, I can too,guy, if he could do it, I can
too.
And I think that that's why itkind of clicked for us, because
I was able to see myself in him,knowing that he could make it
through all that because I madeit through all that stuff that
(47:09):
he was going through and itclicked for him because he saw
that I made it through all that,so it gave him encouragement
that he could make it throughall that.
Yep, so maybe these dark thingshappen to us, pierre, maybe this
stuff occurs in our lives, inour you know, in our circle, so
that we could show people thatwe can make it through it, and
and then we could tell people inthe future you can make it
(47:30):
through it, and then we can tellpeople in the future you can
make it through that, tell youwhat happened to me.
But in order to do that, we dohave to share ourselves with
other people, and we got to putour you know relationships on
the line a little bit by doingso.
Speaker 3 (47:47):
Agree.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
Yeah, I agree 100%.
I didn't even talk about this alittle bit before because I
talk about a song by ElevationWorship called Mercy, and the
chorus says I'm alive to tellthe story of how I overcome, and
it kind of plays into what youjust said.
And you know that's the reasonthat some of us go through what
we go through, whether it bedifferent trials with death, you
(48:11):
know.
You know miscarriages,alcoholism or addiction.
Like we, we all can go throughcancer, which we've dealt with
ourselves here too.
So we go through certain thingsthat we can help others along
with um.
At times it's hard to wonderwhy, why certain things happen
(48:34):
to others.
So there's folks with cancerthat don't win their battles.
There's folks that don't wintheir battles with addiction,
and you question that.
It's easy to question God,which is what again takes place
as the first question in theBible that the serpent presents.
But how you answer thatquestion, I think.
But again, it takes place asthe first question in the Bible
(48:55):
that the serpent presents.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
But how you answer that question, I think is key,
because you yourself are in aposition to provide someone hope
, or basically send them downthat darkness rabbit hole and
help them remove the light thatthey have, based off your, your
answer to those questions.
So, essentially, we just got toask ourselves what are we going
to be?
We're going to be the darkness.
Are we going to be the bad newswhich everybody gets all over
the place all the time,infiltrated?
I don't.
I don't even pay attention tothe news at all and I still knew
what kind of the news was alittle bit, pierre.
Are you going to be that personthat's going to just hinder
(49:35):
people A stumbling block maybe,if some people would want to
call it that or are you going tobe the light?
Are you going to be the thingthat pours into others and picks
them up?
Are you going to be that guy?
I think those are the bigquestions that we want to answer
, going into 2025, and havegoals of being somebody that's
(49:55):
going to help other people sleepwell at night.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
Right, Right.
You got to believe there isgood in the world sign and then
it kind of cuts off halfway.
I think we have it in the restof us.
It's be the good.
That's how you believe it.
You be the good yourself.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Be the better.
Work in that catchier be thebetter, be the better.
Sure you say so.
That sounds catchy.
Be the good.
I don't know.
Be the good, that be the better.
That rolls off the tongue,pierre there you go.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
Be 2025, hashtag be the better.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
All right, that's good.
That's it.
That's a wrap.
We'll sum it all up, michelle.
See, if I miss anything here.
We started off 2025 strong,trying to figure out ways to put
good things into our body, notbad things.
That's what this episode wasabout here, and that putting bad
things in will influence us,influence our noose.
(50:54):
It was called noose, that'sGreek.
Okay, all right, so we did that.
Then you said I had a banger.
Going back to Genesis, chapterthree, you said I banged out a
new idea.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
No, I said you did a hot take, said I, I banged out a
new idea.
No, I'm saying a hot, take um.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
And then pierre I think that you know we were we
were talking about all thethings there in uh, all about
satan, and that the firstquestion.
So it was a good show.
It was a good show I think so.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
I think we did well and you know, obviously we
talked about a lot of tragicthings happening.
We got stuff happening stillout in you know LA area and
California with the fires andstuff.
So you know you can't bringthat up without you know saying
you know we're going to pray andI think we should pray.
(51:46):
It's California in generaldealing with the wildfires and
the you know first respondersand stuff that are trying to
fight those wildfires, as wellas those that you know
tragically lost their lives andsome of these other situations.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
OK, I will.
Can I close out the show in theprayer?
Absolutely Sure.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Tell people how they can get in touch with us though,
pierre, just in case theywanted to get in touch with us
and tell us what they thoughtwas going on as well in some of
those things that we had talkedabout.
Yeah, findingfaithlosingsleepat gmailcom or email
findingfaithpod atfindingfaithpod, over on ex,
formerly Twitter, and then againthrough any of your platforms,
be it Spotify, apple Podcasts,overcast wherever you're
listening to us on, you shouldget an option within the summary
(52:35):
to even send us a text message.
Also, you can do so via review.
The stars help us out, helps toget the podcast out.
If you find us entertaining,help others find us entertaining
by giving us some stars andreview.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
We'd greatly appreciate it.
Why would people get in touchwith us?
I mean, I know they could askus.
We kind of give options outthere.
We should dangle something infront of people to get in touch
with us.
Pierre Dangle, what?
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Carrots.
I mean just something.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
I don't even like talking to myself sometimes, but
I mean how about what ifsomebody leaves a comment, or we
see a star or they say hey, Idid that I could pray for that
person specifically.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
Yeah, yeah, we're hoping we're praying for
listeners anyways, but yes, wecan.
We can even say it on thepodcast.
If you want, we can do it onthe podcast.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
Oh yeah, they could request it.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Yeah, we can say it out and ask more listeners,
hopefully putting that prayer onmore ears.
Speaker 1 (53:31):
I'm just trying to think of something Because, yes,
it only takes like 15 seconds.
I can mash enough buttons to beable to get something like that
done, right, I can do that, andso it doesn't take a lot of
time.
But it's also one of thosethings where we don't
necessarily want it either.
But it is good to hear frompeople, absolutely, and it is
(53:53):
good for the show if there'ssome stars, some ratings, some
reviews, and the only reason whywe'd want that is to be able to
get that out in front of people.
If the show has been helpful toyou, we hope that you will send
it to somebody to allow it tobe helpful to them as well.
Maybe you know somebody who'strying to kick off their New
Year right, and so you'd be likehey, listen, there are some
crazy people out there.
These are some crazy people andthey're talking about good
(54:14):
things.
So you could do that, andthat's the only reason why we
still don't make a dollar off ofthis, do I no?
Speaker 2 (54:23):
I don't either, not just you.
You said do I?
You said do I?
Speaker 1 (54:27):
That's true.
Well, we got to do better.
Is that what we do better?
Well, be better.
We got to be better, hashtag bebetter.
Technically, you said be thebetter, be the better, be the
better, Be the better better.
All right, all right, I'm goingto close out in prayer and then
we'll be dismissed.
I don't know if that's properto say.
(54:48):
Father, we do approach youright now, thanking you so much
for an opportunity.
I thank you to be able to gettogether with Pierre and
Michelle and whoever else islistening.
I want to lift up all thosepeople to you.
We just thank you so much forloving us and for being patient
with us, for not destroying usbefore our time.
Father, we thank you forencouraging us along the way to
be able to get to the point towhere we are right now, to where
(55:09):
we can approach you in prayer,asking you to comfort all the
people who have suffered loss in2025.
So far.
Our heart bleeds over to them.
We've done some different things.
I know I've done some differentthings in reaching out to
people to make sure that they'reokay, seeing if they need
anything and, father, help us todo that.
Let us not just observe thenews.
Let us not just observe thenews.
Let us not just observe tragedy, but help us to get involved
(55:31):
with it and get a little bitdirty.
See what we can do to be ableto help those people, because we
want to be those that help outothers is what we want to do.
That allows your light to shinefurther into this world and
further into the darkness, likePierre was talking about.
So give us the abilities to beable to do that, give us the
courage to be able to do thatand the know-how.
(55:53):
And, father, as situations comeup in our life, help us to not
ignore them, but to be active,to be proactive, not for our
glory, but for your glory.
Father.
We thank you so much for lovingus, for being patient with us,
for being kind with us, and wepray that you'll continue to do
so.
In Jesus' name.
We pray all these things, amen.
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