October 22, 2025 • 30 mins
What if the line between conviction and compassion is thinner than we think? We pick up the mics after a long pause and walk straight into a season-sized question: how should Christians approach Halloween without losing sight of love, wisdom, or joy. From All Hallows’ Eve and All Saints’ Day to modern front-porch outreach, we explore the roots, the drift, and practical ways to keep the night anchored in light—think warm welcomes, clear boundaries, and traditions that cherish kids without glamorizing darkness.
The conversation widens into the battleground of our times: social media pride, algorithmic echo chambers, and the pressure to win every argument. We talk about what gentle boldness looks like, how to speak truth with patience, and why edification beats dunking culture every time. Ecclesiastes frames the moment with hard-won wisdom—chasing total understanding can be futile—while the Psalms offer rest for tired minds and anxious nights. We name the thief of joy called comparison and trade highlight reels for real gratitude: imperfect families, small rituals, and honest faith that steadies the heart.
You’ll hear candid stories, Scripture that grounds action, and practical ideas you can try this week: reimagined fall traditions, kinder online habits, and a simple practice of prayer when sleep won’t come. If you’ve felt torn between standing firm and staying kind, or wondered how to find peace in a loud world, this one meets you on the road, at the porch light, and in the 2 a.m. quiet. If this resonates, follow the show, share it with a friend who needs encouragement, and leave a review to help more people find these conversations. Then tell us: where do you draw the line—and how do you keep love at the center?
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SPEAKER_02 (00:06):
It's time to wake up and run it up here on the Flying
Penny Losing Sleep podcast.
I'm Wesley, one of your hosts,and as always, I am joined by uh
some people away up north.
It feels like you're so far upthere nowadays, Pierre and
Michelle, because I just haven'tI haven't spoken with you in a
long time.
Whenever we speak regularly onlike a weekly, bi-weekly basis,
it feels like you just live nextdoor.
(00:27):
Now it feels like you just sofar away.
SPEAKER_01 (00:30):
It has been a while.
That's for sure.
I thought you forgot who we arewhen you said some people.
I'm like, man, we're off for arough start.
It's been a long time.
SPEAKER_02 (00:38):
It is a long time.
Well, happy, uh, happy fall toyou.
I thought I don't know when thelast time we talked was, but
happy fall to y'all.
And it has been a long timebecause life just gets in the
way.
School started up, differentthings like that happened,
school events, all those thingsthat are going on, and we know
you guys have busy lives too.
And we hope to put together apodcast tonight where you can
listen to it as you bump downthe road, going to the next
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event, or maybe just whileyou're up.
It's for right, Pierre.
SPEAKER_01 (01:06):
Right, right, yeah.
Uh, you broke up a little there,but yeah, I'll just agree with
you.
SPEAKER_02 (01:11):
Well, I said I said that's what the show's for.
The show is for putting peopleto sleep, right?
That's what fan finding faithand doing sleep.
SPEAKER_01 (01:17):
Definitely not putting people to sleep.
He said scratch, uh, definitelynot doing it while they're
driving either.
So let's be careful with thatpart.
But no, it's it's for thingsthat kind of keep us awake at
night, some of our thoughts, uhbased off our faith, and just
based off the happenings in theworld.
SPEAKER_02 (01:34):
Well, it is October, Michelle, and that means that
pumpkin spice is back.
And so is your annual reminderthat Leviticus doesn't matter,
uh, doesn't even get mentionedin the book of Leviticus.
SPEAKER_00 (01:46):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (01:47):
Did I say that right?
SPEAKER_00 (01:49):
Yeah, I think you did.
I just caught me off guard.
SPEAKER_02 (01:53):
Try to be a little bit funny.
Try to catch you off guard,Michelle.
We just wanted to hear we wantedto hear you talk.
SPEAKER_00 (01:59):
Are you sure?
SPEAKER_02 (02:01):
Yes, I'm positive.
SPEAKER_00 (02:04):
Okay.
Well, I love fall.
Fall is my favorite.
Second, it's it's cooler out.
But I know Pierre and I disagreeon this one, but I love fall.
SPEAKER_02 (02:15):
Yeah, which one of you doesn't like snow?
I can't remember which onedoesn't like snow.
That has to be that has to bePierre.
SPEAKER_00 (02:21):
It's a hundred percent Pierre.
SPEAKER_02 (02:23):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (02:25):
Snow is my favorite.
I just wish it wasn't didn'thave to be so cold the snow.
SPEAKER_02 (02:31):
Well, I don't know.
That's that's what it that'swhat it is.
It's it's cold snow.
That's that's usually whathappens.
Um we are the Finding FaithLosing Sleep podcast.
I know I mentioned that before,but Pierre's got all the
information on how you can getin touch with us in case you
have a topic that you want us tocover before the end of the
year, because we we're gonnahammer out at least two or three
more episodes before the end ofthe year.
I know it's October, but wecould probably do that, guys.
SPEAKER_01 (02:53):
Yeah, we we gotta get back in the in the fall of
things.
Um, I know like school is gonnabe school and you know,
different events will still takeplace, but you know, we want to
prioritize, you know, get behindthe mic and just having these
conversations that we feel areimportant to some.
And you know, people are stilllistening.
We haven't been behind the micin a while, and you know, we're
still getting weekly updates ofyou know, listeners downloading
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past episodes.
So thank you to those maybere-listening, and and thank you
to those that are just comingaboard and figuring out who we
are.
SPEAKER_02 (03:23):
No, really, we do appreciate that.
And it does it, it's a littlehumbling sometimes when you see
who's still listening to thepodcast.
Like it's like, oh, uh, and notthat we want anybody to go away.
We don't want to do that, butit's it just keeps getting
different downloads, and and Ialways feel guilty.
I don't know about you guys, Ifeel guilty about that.
Um, I feel guilty this time ofyear for eating a whole lot of
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pumpkin candy corn.
I do that, I feel guilty after Iget a get rid of a bag in a day.
That that just is not good forme to do, but I do it anyway.
I can't stop.
It's one of those things where Ijust I open up the bag, I'm
like, okay, a serving size isfive.
That's all just start out withfive.
That's all I'm gonna do.
Next thing I know, it's it's thesecond five after that first
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five just disappeared, and so Ijust keep going.
I I but I feel guilty aboutthat, and I feel guilty for not
getting out more episodes to thelisteners.
SPEAKER_01 (04:17):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I I do as well.
And again, we we got lives, butso does everyone else.
So we we'll work on beingbetter.
Um, but yeah, if you do have anytopics that you know you want to
toss over to us, you can find uson X, uh formerly on his Twitter
at Finding FaithPot.
Um, you also got an emailaddress, finding faith.losing
sleep at gmail.com.
(04:38):
Um, and then uh have a feature,like send a text.
I haven't got one yet, butthere's a feature, I believe, in
the in the description of ourepisodes on all listening
platforms that we're availableon.
And you can send us a text aswell.
So feel free to you know send usover any topic ideas, and again,
we're gonna try to you know pickup the pace on some of these and
meet a little bit morefrequently and hopefully be able
(05:00):
to hammer out some someconversation.
SPEAKER_02 (05:02):
And Michelle, I think that that would help.
I think if people said, Hey,could you talk about this?
I would feel a little bit moreobligated to talk about that
specific topic and to try to getuh an episode out for that
person right away becausewhenever we get together, it's
always like, okay, what do youwhat was this episode going to
be about?
And we pray about it and we wewe think about it.
And like this week, it was I Ithought the only thing that came
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to my head was about Halloween,because we have Halloween around
the corner, but it just itreally didn't click.
I I don't know if I wasn'tlistening properly to God uh
telling me what needed to beheard or what needed to be
talked about, but I I just it itit just didn't really click all
that much.
But speaking about Halloween,that's that's right around the
corner.
What do you guys think aboutChristians celebrating
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Halloween?
Is is it good?
Is it okay?
Uh can it be done?
What do you think?
SPEAKER_00 (05:50):
So I don't know.
I I've never, to be honest withyou, like growing up, I never
really thought about it.
Like we just celebrated it.
And like even when Olivia waslittle, like we've always taken
her trick-or-treating and justnever obviously she wasn't
dressed up as like something youknow, gross or whatever or you
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know, demonic or anything likethat.
They were always cute littlecostumes, but like I don't know.
I have only recently has it kindof sunk in with me, like maybe
we shouldn't be celebrating thisso much.
Um I guess it's I think reallywhat it comes down to is a heart
issue.
Like I don't I'm not gonna beputting up like all the ghosts
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and spiders, definitely notspiders, um, all those
decorations and such.
But like I don't know.
I guess my personal feeling onit is I'm not I have a hard time
telling somebody else what Ithink they should do.
Um I don't necessarily agreewith all of that.
I don't love that our childrensee that.
(07:00):
Like, I don't think there's agreat place for some of those
decorations, but that's mypersonal opinion.
And like I think it's fun forthe kids and it gives them
something to look forward to togo like trick-or-treating, but I
I don't know.
I think there are limits to it,and I think it's become worse
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these days.
What are your thoughts?
SPEAKER_02 (07:24):
Uh well uh I was gonna ask Pierre if he knew
where the word Halloween camefrom.
I did not.
SPEAKER_00 (07:32):
No, I don't either.
SPEAKER_02 (07:33):
All Hollows Eve.
Oh, that's kind of whereHalloween came, and and that is
the night before All Saints Day,which is November 1st, and
that's a Christian holidayhonoring saints and martyrs.
It is a time to reflect on thevictory of light over darkness.
November 1st is so that's kindof where Halloween and and and
then it got hijacked, you know.
(07:54):
As a celebration, it gothijacked a little bit, and uh
yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (07:59):
So that's because it got it got kind of hijacked with
almost like a darkness, likeit's it's weird.
Like, and so I I I mean I wentto retreating as a kid, and you
don't really think about thattype of stuff, you know.
Most of the time you're you'rejust going and trying to get
candy, you know, trying to getthat candy corn fix, right?
Well, so uh that's just thethought process.
But when you you start to growup and you start to again see
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the the level of it, you can seethe the darkness in it.
I I still think there can bejoy, you know, just founding the
innocence of of kids, you know,dressing up as some of their you
know favorite characters, and umagain, you don't want to get to
the borderline of like idols andstuff, but it's still just being
able to get candy and you knowcome home and you know separate
(08:44):
it and go through it with yourparents and look at all the
things you've got, yeah,grandparents as well.
And so I can see the fun in itthere, but I also can see that
there's there's probably a linein you know how much you're
celebrating and and what you'reultimately potentially
worshipping uh on that night.
unknown (08:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (09:00):
Well, I like oh go ahead, Michelle.
SPEAKER_00 (09:01):
Oh, I was just gonna say, like for us, it's it's
always like for Olivia, it'sbeen a tradition for her to look
forward to to and to my for mydad.
Like we go to their house lastand she sits on the floor and
they sort the candy together andcount it and what kinds, and
like it's just been this cutelittle tradition that they've
always had.
So, you know, it's one of thoselittle things like to look
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forward to.
So I don't know, I think it'swhat you what you make of it and
what you allow your kids to makeof it, maybe.
SPEAKER_02 (09:32):
And I think what a lot of churches do nowadays, and
and maybe even a lot ofChristians, is look at it as an
outreach opportunity too, tohave like a fall festival and to
get together.
And and that's kind of what itstarted, and I say started out
as, but uh in a pagan influence,that the Celtic festival,
Samahan, I think that's how youpronounce it, they it used to be
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the end of the harvest and thebeginning of winter.
And people believe that the veilbetween living and the dead was
so thin there that they litbonfires and wore costumes to
ward off evil spirits.
And and so, you know, there werethose old traditions like that
that I'm not gonna say arenecessarily true, but maybe
that's where some of the scarystuff comes into play.
And and you hear some of thoseold ghost stories and
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everything.
And what churches do nowadays isthey look at it as an
opportunity to get together withchurch family and maybe even
neighbors, and an outreachopportunity to just kind of
break down that veil betweenpeople who maybe would never
step foot in the church, ormaybe they were thinking about
doing that, and and having anopportunity just to say, hey,
look at these people are justnormal people having a good
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time, eating hot dogs around acampfire, and uh handing out
candy and and doing some funthings like a hay ride, you
know.
And so it it's become kind oflike that outreach opportunity,
I believe.
Yeah, I can see that.
I can see that right.
SPEAKER_01 (10:51):
I can understand too.
SPEAKER_02 (10:53):
Yeah, I do too.
I I do too.
And and look, like we're nothere to tell you, we're just
here talking about these thingsand trying to figure it out
ourselves and see what's right,what's wrong, and um ultimately
you're the one who stands beforeGod.
I'm the one who stands beforeGod, and so we have to do that.
And I love to be able to talkabout that stuff because in our
society, like we've said before,you just can't talk about these
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things anymore.
People, you people are afraid toget their feelings hurt, and
people are afraid to expresstheir opinions without fighting,
you know.
I think that's what everybody'safraid of is just fighting,
making enemies.
And unfortunately, that's how alot of arguments end or
discussions end in arguments, Iguess.
And that's not how it should be.
We should be able to talk aboutthese things openly to try and
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come to a conclusion.
These are these are lifeimportant events and maybe even
eternal life events that we'retalking about here on this
podcast.
And I love that we're able totalk about those things.
SPEAKER_01 (11:48):
I do.
I just think I I don't know, Ifeel like pride's just taken
over so many, so many people, somany different individuals where
they just feel like they have tobe right, and there's no there's
no way around it.
If they're not right, then youknow an argument's gonna ensue.
And it doesn't, it doesn'tmatter the topic.
Like you're on social media,like some people argue about the
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dumbest stuff to me, and I'mlike, what is going on?
Like, is this dress blue or isit pink?
It's like really, like, are wereally?
Like, I don't know.
It's just strange.
And and again, I don't knowwhere the the price's coming in
at of how it got to this point.
I I think obviously social mediaplays a part of it, um, just
because of so many algorithmsand how you you it makes you
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feel like the the other personwho's opposite of you is like a
complete idiot, just because allyou see is your side and what
you want to see, and you'reyou're missing a whole nother
side of things because thealgorithm doesn't show you.
It only shows you kind of whatwhat's happening in your world
and not what's happening on thethe opposite side of the coin or
the other side of the thing.
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It's just a it's a toughbalance.
And so I I get it, but I also,you know, you gotta be you do,
you gotta be careful, you know.
People are you know losing theirlives over opinions and stuff
like that.
So I don't know, it's tough.
You want to be bold um and reachpeople, but you also want to be
smart and you know not not doanything that causes somebody to
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cross the line.
SPEAKER_02 (13:19):
I also think some people, maybe Christians in
particular, we try to put aChristian spin on spin on this
because all three of us areconfessors uh and believers and
followers of our Lord and SaviorJesus Christ, that they have
never thought about it from adifferent perspective or from a
Christian perspective, likesomething like Halloween.
But it's something that we needto think about, other things we
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need to think about, and nothave closed minds to not have to
think about them, I guess.
And uh 2 Timothy 4 2 says,Preach the word, be prepared in
season and out of season,correct, rebuke, and encourage
with great patience and carefulinstruction.
Uh, Pierre, that that means nottrying to win every argument,
uh, doing it with love andkindness, I think, Michelle, is
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what it what it says.
And then also it says inProverbs 28:1, the righteous are
as bold as a lion.
So just because we thinksomething doesn't mean we have
to offend somebody with ourthoughts, but we should be able
to be prepared and we shouldhave the desire to be bold like
a lion to say our thoughts inthe midst of evil.
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Uh, and and uh you kind ofalluded to it a little bit,
Pierre, I think, with CharlieKirk and what happened with him.
I I I knew who he was, I've hadseen some debate things.
I'm I'm gonna be honest withyou, I'm not a very good
debater.
I think that's the reason why mywife married me.
I really do.
She she wins every argument,either because I quit or she
just wins.
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You know, I just it's just howit is.
And I I I I so I don't likedebates, so I didn't really
watch a lot of Charlie Kirk, butthe things I did see from him, I
was like, well, at least he'sstanding up for what he believes
in.
And I I think people's peoplenever want to be proven wrong
about something, and that canmake enemies very, very quickly,
especially in a largeenvironment like he did it in.
(15:04):
And he he'd been, you know,talking at college campuses
forever for one reason oranother.
But I think in a largeenvironment, if you get
embarrassed in a bigenvironment, you're gonna make
enemies very quickly.
And and I think that's whatCharlie Kirk did, and I think
people liked his boldness, butsome people just hated hated his
boldness as well.
It was very strange that he umrelationship he had with the
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crowd.
SPEAKER_01 (15:26):
I just think anything with like a public
platform like that.
It's just a risk.
And you know, unfortunately thathappened to him, and uh I didn't
really know him too much.
I I seen a couple of the debatesjust on like a a reel or a
TikTok or something like that.
But it was like I I knew him,followed him, et cetera.
I I seen some things that youknow I agreed with.
(15:48):
I seen some things he said thatI disagreed with, but I mean
that's off anyone, but youshould be able to, again, have
freedom of speech and be safe aslong as you're not promoting,
you know, hate.
Um and I think that's where thethat's where things are getting
crazy because you know, folksare so quickly to get offensive
that you know that thatpromotion of hate is easily
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twisted, whether it is or not.
You can go back to so much inlike history for that to take
place.
You know, we've had you knowslavery in our in our country,
we've had you know women'srights, we've had all these big
moments where people were onboth sides of what was good and
what was evil, and you know,some felt that you know what
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they were doing was good when itwas bad.
So it's hard to just decipherwhat runs through each
individual's minds when theycome across things like that.
So I don't know, it's tough.
SPEAKER_00 (16:40):
I mean, for me, I I mean literally I've spent when
you know when Peter goes downhis rabbit holes, I I will sit
and sometimes stare at theceiling thinking through things
like things will just keep goingthrough my head.
And like I was trying topinpoint when in my life when
all of this seems to haveshifted.
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Like when I was a kid, we hadDemocrats and Republicans,
right?
But there wasn't this separationlike there is now where it's
like there's so much hate andall of this is like you know,
they're wrong and we're right onboth sides.
And it it was always like adebate, but not a split.
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I don't know how to explainthat, but like I don't know, but
I I knew there were twodifferent parties, but it wasn't
like people necessarily like theway I saw it anyway.
It wasn't like it become theiridentity.
And now I feel like it's anidentity, it doesn't matter.
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You know you you have toidentify with one of those, and
I don't agree with that, and Ithink it's scary.
So like I feel like it startedwhen social when like the
internet came about, andespecially when social media
did, and like Pierre said whenwe have the the algorithms and
such, I think that has literallyjust done more to separate
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people than to ever bringanybody together, and it's scary
and sad, and I don't know how inthis day and time how we bring
that back together, truthfully.
Like it it's truthfully sad.
SPEAKER_02 (18:24):
No, it it is.
Um Paul had a Twitter, half theNew Testament would be in
subtweets, you know.
Just I mean, all over the placethere.
And and for us with ourplatform, either whether it's a
podcast or on social media orwhatever, I think it's a good
thing to think about.
Uh, are we using our platformsto edify people or just to echo
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the sentiments that are outthere, just to retweet or quote
tweet or something?
Or are we using the platform toedify folks and to try and
educate them to think outside, Idon't know, of just their
regular box, you know, and touplift and to and to be
spiritual on some matters thatare out there.
Uh Ephesians 4.29 says, do notlet any unwholesome talk come
out of your mouth, but only whatis helpful for building others
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up.
And that's the same for socialmedia.
That's what we should be doing.
And I look, I I could be guiltyas as anybody else.
I'm not saying I'm perfect.
I need to be reminded of thesethings.
And I I listen, uh, I talk, Ilearn while I talk.
So I I have to talk to learn.
I I talk to myself.
You should hear the dialoguesthat go on in my head, y'all.
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It's crazy.
All the different voices, too.
unknown (19:33):
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (19:35):
It's something I think that that is one of those
studies that they have out therethat uh we have an inner
monologue.
Some people have it and somepeople don't.
And I I do not understand howanybody cannot have an inner
monologue.
Pierre, do you have an innermonologue?
SPEAKER_01 (19:49):
I do.
It's pretty calm, though.
I don't think it runs well likemy wife for sure.
I'm not sure.
Um yours probably was wild aswell, Wes, but me and your wife
are connected like that.
Pretty pretty locked in to itsindividual boxes when it's oh
that's true.
SPEAKER_02 (20:08):
Uh the uh all right, all right.
So uh let's let's see what elsewas has been going on.
Uh you guys probably the theawards, the uh Christian music
awards.
That did you guys happen toattend those things?
SPEAKER_01 (20:23):
We had in the past, we had this year.
Um I did see the news.
So we're big fans of ForceFrame.
I don't know if you know whothat is, but he's a he's a bit
younger, younger artist.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
I gotta stand up and do thatlittle dance.
I know he came out and there wasa little debate with him because
he he didn't attend the theDevil Awards.
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Uh he had a speech about likenot you know accepting trophies
ultimately for the work he'sdoing for Jesus, and I think it
was jelly roll kind of had aretort at the Devil Awards
towards him.
SPEAKER_02 (20:55):
By the way, I love jelly roll.
I used to get him whenever I wasa kid at the little hostess
store down the road from me.
Oh, buddy, little cherry jellyroll things.
SPEAKER_01 (21:05):
So this is actually human, but yeah, uh it's a
retort on like kind of how heaccepts money.
So what's the deal with thetrophy?
So I don't know, I don't knowall the details on that, but
it's just interesting becauseyou you get to kind of see some
of these Christian artists, youknow, fighting their own
thoughts and their their owndemons.
And what I find it reallyinteresting is so you know, the
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Bible said not to lean into yourown understanding, but isn't
that ultimately what everyonedoes?
Like that what we're doing, youknow, right now on this podcast.
Isn't that technically what yourpastors are doing every single
Sunday with with the word thatthey're delivering?
Um, yeah, some are moreeducated, but ultimately you're
you're leaning into yourunderstanding of what you've
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been taught or what you've read,and you're then you know
portraying that to those thatare listening.
SPEAKER_00 (21:55):
Or even your understanding of what you feel
like you've received from Godafter prayer, right?
Like it's still yourunderstanding, so it's a really
difficult topic.
SPEAKER_01 (22:05):
So I don't know how you don't lean into your own
understanding.
I know recently, like I've beenlike I've been locked in on
that.
Is it ecclesiastic?
Ecclesiastics.
Ecclesiastics.
Either way, however it'spronounced, obviously I'm not a
a a scholar here, but it's thatthat opening, you know,
meaningless, meaningless, how itopens in chapter one.
And again, I used to think thatthat was just kind of like dark
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and saying that life itself wasmeaningless, but the more you
dive into it, it really justtells you how like trying to
understand is what themeaningless part is.
Like trying to lean into yourown understanding, it's
meaningless because you willnever understand, you know, why
the world is the way it is, whypeople the way are the way they
are.
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You know, the rainfalls on thejust and the unjust.
There's no there's no right orwrong to it.
It's just things just happen.
Terrible things happen, goodthings happen, and there's
there's no way of knowing whenthat's going to take place.
And so I feel like Solomon waswas on to something who I say is
uh, you know, he's the one thatasked.
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He prayed for wisdom, uh, andthe Lord granted it to him.
And so for him to say that it'skind of meaningless to try to
understand things, I think hewas on to something because you
really just you know stressyourself out, get anxious over
things that probably aren'tmeant for you to understand.
SPEAKER_02 (23:26):
Uh yeah, I hope somebody, whenever they read the
the Ecclesiastes, gave Solomonan 800 number right away because
that guy, and whenever I gothrough Ecclesiastes or I listen
to it or whatever, I'm alwayslike, Oh, somebody needs to help
this fella because this fellacannot find happiness anywhere.
But he tried to find happinesseverywhere and doing everything,
and he had every resource at hisfingertips.
(23:48):
He had all the money to tryeverything, he had the the word
to be able to do anything hewanted to do.
He could just say, do this, andI'll and it'll find happiness,
you know, just stuff like that.
And he could not find that kindof happiness anywhere.
And one of the things we got toremember is that uh, you know,
some people meet Jesus in churchand others meet him in a Lauren
(24:10):
Daigle Bridge, right?
That as far as the music goes,or trying to find happiness, or
trying to find God, or findtrying our find trying to find
our place of understanding,people can come to that
understanding of God in manydifferent ways and to be edified
in many different ways.
And we all have talents to beable to give people edification,
(24:32):
to give people maybe a littlespiritual boost or a spiritual
direction.
And that's what God depends onus to do.
And I think that that issomething that we all have to
remember, even in thosesorrowful times like uh Solomon
had in the book of Ecclesiastes.
We can read that like yousaying, Pierre, and it makes
sense to us because we can tryto get the biggest house on the
(24:53):
highest hill, as Ric Flair wouldsay, in the best neighborhood.
Woo! And it just may neversatisfy us because there's
always a bigger house, a betterneighborhood.
There's always more money to behad, but there's only one God
that's eternal that can give uspeace and joy for the rest of
our lives.
SPEAKER_00 (25:13):
And you know, you say that, Wes, and literally the
thing that's been going throughmy head for I don't know when
was Liv's last volleyball game aweek ago, or something like
that.
So is comparison to the thief ofjoy.
And the reason that has been inmy head is for some reason we
(25:33):
had this when I wanted to take apicture with Olivia after her
last volleyball game, we hadthis big fight.
Like she didn't want to take apicture.
I fought with her because like Ihaven't had one with her all
season.
Like I don't have this, youknow, to have one with you.
Anyway, it was this whole bigthing.
But yeah, when I posted thatpicture, nobody sees that.
(25:56):
They see this is a nice pictureof beer, Olivia and I, right?
Like that's what people think.
We don't see when people post tothese things.
We've talked about this before.
We see their highlights, we seewhat we we think it is and not
what is necessarily behind it,right?
(26:16):
And so I think we have to bereally careful, especially in
these days of social media, touh really watch that natural
comparison that happens becausesomebody might look at that and
think, man, you know, they havea they have a really great
family.
We do, but we have our issuestoo, right?
Just like anybody else does.
And so um, you know, I just kindof wanted to, I don't know.
(26:40):
It was laid on my heart to throwthat out there.
So I just think it's importantfor someone to hear.
SPEAKER_02 (26:46):
Definitely important for somebody to hear.
And I want to emphasize toeverybody if you're listening to
this podcast and life just feelsa little bit rough, if you're
driving down the road andhopefully we've been able to uh
entertain you, upcur, encourageyou, uplift you a little bit.
Keep you awake, yeah, keep youawake, yes.
You're not not while you'redriving.
If you're but if you are up at 2a.m.
(27:08):
and you're wondering if God'sawake, well, he is, and he
doesn't need melatonin to sleep,he is always there waiting to
hear you.
And in Psalm 4.8, it says, Inpeace I will lie down and sleep
for you alone.
Lord, make me dwell in safety.
You can count on God to be ableto relieve whatever it is those
(27:31):
issues are, or to be able totalk to him and to be able to
help you through and guide youthrough.
You just might have to listenfor the answer a little bit, or
look around you for the answer.
Maybe the answer is through thispodcast, or maybe the answer is
through a uh meeting down atsome church as they're getting
together to celebrate Halloween,you know, as a fall festival,
(27:51):
whatever it is that keeps you upat night.
And what you got to find thosethings that'll help you
surrender it as well, and findthose people that'll help you
surrender it.
Uh people that'll make you feelcomfortable, people that could
be around you, that willencourage you, that will uplift
you and do all those things foryou that God wants you to
receive that peace, and He He'llsend those people your way, I
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think.
SPEAKER_01 (28:15):
I agree, and I just say like enjoy those people.
I mean, we we've all experienceddeath.
Um, we lost a friend hererecently as well, and just the
the way that played out was justso awkward, like the the timing
of how everything would have hadto to fall into place for that
accident to take place.
But you know, we don't we neverknow what what what day you know
(28:39):
we'll be called home.
I think you know we all getdistracted with the things of
this world and probably try toget distracted just because you
don't want to think about thefact that one day, you know,
that's gonna be you, which isthe case for all of us.
But you know, until that daycomes, just enjoy, you know, the
people that are are brought intoyour life, you know, try to
appreciate them, try love onthem.
(29:01):
Uh and again, try to have joy.
That's that's you know what whatGod wants you to do.
The thief comes to kill, still,destroy, but you know, the the
Lord wants you to have you knowlife and live it to the fullest.
So do your best to do that.
You know, hug your hug yourfamily, hug your friends, laugh,
smile.
Just be, right?
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Just be.
SPEAKER_02 (29:22):
That thief better not come in here trying to get
my pumpkin candy corns.
I'm just gonna tell you rightnow, we're gonna have issues if
that happens.
Hey, if there's anything we cando for you, you let us know.
You can reach us uh through allthe comments there on whatever
listening platform you like tolisten to us on, just leave us a
comment that'll not only helpthose aggro algorithms that are
evil and sinister that areplotting against us each step of
the way.
This will help the show get outinto more uh an audience's more
(29:45):
podcast feeds, is what it'llhelp to do.
And Piero, tell them again howthey could send us something if
they want to tell us what to donext, or if they just have
something that they would likefor us to pray for them with.
SPEAKER_01 (29:56):
Yeah, um, you can send prayers or topic thoughts,
whatever you want to.
In to uh at finding faith pod onx slash twitter.
Uh you can email us atfindingfaith.losingsleep at
gmail.com or send us a text uhthrough the description of our
episode through any of the theplatforms, you know, Apple
Podcasts, Spotify, iHeartRadio.
Um we're we're everywhere.
SPEAKER_02 (30:17):
We're we're all all places.
All places trying to become allthings to all men.
That's what we're trying to do.
All right.
Good job, everybody.
Thank you for listening.
Going back and listen to thosepast episodes.
If this is your first episode,you'll be able to glean a lot of
information from those pastones.
And as always, if you pray forus, we'll pray for you.
It's time to wake up and run it up here on the Flying
Penny Losing Sleep podcast.
I'm Wesley, one of your hosts,and as always, I am joined by uh
some people away up north.
It feels like you're so far upthere nowadays, Pierre and
Michelle, because I just haven'tI haven't spoken with you in a
long time.
Whenever we speak regularly onlike a weekly, bi-weekly basis,
it feels like you just live nextdoor.
(00:27):
Now it feels like you just sofar away.
SPEAKER_01 (00:30):
It has been a while.
That's for sure.
I thought you forgot who we arewhen you said some people.
I'm like, man, we're off for arough start.
It's been a long time.
SPEAKER_02 (00:38):
It is a long time.
Well, happy, uh, happy fall toyou.
I thought I don't know when thelast time we talked was, but
happy fall to y'all.
And it has been a long timebecause life just gets in the
way.
School started up, differentthings like that happened,
school events, all those thingsthat are going on, and we know
you guys have busy lives too.
And we hope to put together apodcast tonight where you can
listen to it as you bump downthe road, going to the next
(00:59):
event, or maybe just whileyou're up.
It's for right, Pierre.
SPEAKER_01 (01:06):
Right, right, yeah.
Uh, you broke up a little there,but yeah, I'll just agree with
you.
SPEAKER_02 (01:11):
Well, I said I said that's what the show's for.
The show is for putting peopleto sleep, right?
That's what fan finding faithand doing sleep.
SPEAKER_01 (01:17):
Definitely not putting people to sleep.
He said scratch, uh, definitelynot doing it while they're
driving either.
So let's be careful with thatpart.
But no, it's it's for thingsthat kind of keep us awake at
night, some of our thoughts, uhbased off our faith, and just
based off the happenings in theworld.
SPEAKER_02 (01:34):
Well, it is October, Michelle, and that means that
pumpkin spice is back.
And so is your annual reminderthat Leviticus doesn't matter,
uh, doesn't even get mentionedin the book of Leviticus.
SPEAKER_00 (01:46):
Okay.
SPEAKER_02 (01:47):
Did I say that right?
SPEAKER_00 (01:49):
Yeah, I think you did.
I just caught me off guard.
SPEAKER_02 (01:53):
Try to be a little bit funny.
Try to catch you off guard,Michelle.
We just wanted to hear we wantedto hear you talk.
SPEAKER_00 (01:59):
Are you sure?
SPEAKER_02 (02:01):
Yes, I'm positive.
SPEAKER_00 (02:04):
Okay.
Well, I love fall.
Fall is my favorite.
Second, it's it's cooler out.
But I know Pierre and I disagreeon this one, but I love fall.
SPEAKER_02 (02:15):
Yeah, which one of you doesn't like snow?
I can't remember which onedoesn't like snow.
That has to be that has to bePierre.
SPEAKER_00 (02:21):
It's a hundred percent Pierre.
SPEAKER_02 (02:23):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (02:25):
Snow is my favorite.
I just wish it wasn't didn'thave to be so cold the snow.
SPEAKER_02 (02:31):
Well, I don't know.
That's that's what it that'swhat it is.
It's it's cold snow.
That's that's usually whathappens.
Um we are the Finding FaithLosing Sleep podcast.
I know I mentioned that before,but Pierre's got all the
information on how you can getin touch with us in case you
have a topic that you want us tocover before the end of the
year, because we we're gonnahammer out at least two or three
more episodes before the end ofthe year.
I know it's October, but wecould probably do that, guys.
SPEAKER_01 (02:53):
Yeah, we we gotta get back in the in the fall of
things.
Um, I know like school is gonnabe school and you know,
different events will still takeplace, but you know, we want to
prioritize, you know, get behindthe mic and just having these
conversations that we feel areimportant to some.
And you know, people are stilllistening.
We haven't been behind the micin a while, and you know, we're
still getting weekly updates ofyou know, listeners downloading
(03:15):
past episodes.
So thank you to those maybere-listening, and and thank you
to those that are just comingaboard and figuring out who we
are.
SPEAKER_02 (03:23):
No, really, we do appreciate that.
And it does it, it's a littlehumbling sometimes when you see
who's still listening to thepodcast.
Like it's like, oh, uh, and notthat we want anybody to go away.
We don't want to do that, butit's it just keeps getting
different downloads, and and Ialways feel guilty.
I don't know about you guys, Ifeel guilty about that.
Um, I feel guilty this time ofyear for eating a whole lot of
(03:44):
pumpkin candy corn.
I do that, I feel guilty after Iget a get rid of a bag in a day.
That that just is not good forme to do, but I do it anyway.
I can't stop.
It's one of those things where Ijust I open up the bag, I'm
like, okay, a serving size isfive.
That's all just start out withfive.
That's all I'm gonna do.
Next thing I know, it's it's thesecond five after that first
(04:06):
five just disappeared, and so Ijust keep going.
I I but I feel guilty aboutthat, and I feel guilty for not
getting out more episodes to thelisteners.
SPEAKER_01 (04:17):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I I do as well.
And again, we we got lives, butso does everyone else.
So we we'll work on beingbetter.
Um, but yeah, if you do have anytopics that you know you want to
toss over to us, you can find uson X, uh formerly on his Twitter
at Finding FaithPot.
Um, you also got an emailaddress, finding faith.losing
sleep at gmail.com.
(04:38):
Um, and then uh have a feature,like send a text.
I haven't got one yet, butthere's a feature, I believe, in
the in the description of ourepisodes on all listening
platforms that we're availableon.
And you can send us a text aswell.
So feel free to you know send usover any topic ideas, and again,
we're gonna try to you know pickup the pace on some of these and
meet a little bit morefrequently and hopefully be able
(05:00):
to hammer out some someconversation.
SPEAKER_02 (05:02):
And Michelle, I think that that would help.
I think if people said, Hey,could you talk about this?
I would feel a little bit moreobligated to talk about that
specific topic and to try to getuh an episode out for that
person right away becausewhenever we get together, it's
always like, okay, what do youwhat was this episode going to
be about?
And we pray about it and we wewe think about it.
And like this week, it was I Ithought the only thing that came
(05:24):
to my head was about Halloween,because we have Halloween around
the corner, but it just itreally didn't click.
I I don't know if I wasn'tlistening properly to God uh
telling me what needed to beheard or what needed to be
talked about, but I I just it itit just didn't really click all
that much.
But speaking about Halloween,that's that's right around the
corner.
What do you guys think aboutChristians celebrating
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Halloween?
Is is it good?
Is it okay?
Uh can it be done?
What do you think?
SPEAKER_00 (05:50):
So I don't know.
I I've never, to be honest withyou, like growing up, I never
really thought about it.
Like we just celebrated it.
And like even when Olivia waslittle, like we've always taken
her trick-or-treating and justnever obviously she wasn't
dressed up as like something youknow, gross or whatever or you
(06:14):
know, demonic or anything likethat.
They were always cute littlecostumes, but like I don't know.
I have only recently has it kindof sunk in with me, like maybe
we shouldn't be celebrating thisso much.
Um I guess it's I think reallywhat it comes down to is a heart
issue.
Like I don't I'm not gonna beputting up like all the ghosts
(06:39):
and spiders, definitely notspiders, um, all those
decorations and such.
But like I don't know.
I guess my personal feeling onit is I'm not I have a hard time
telling somebody else what Ithink they should do.
Um I don't necessarily agreewith all of that.
I don't love that our childrensee that.
(07:00):
Like, I don't think there's agreat place for some of those
decorations, but that's mypersonal opinion.
And like I think it's fun forthe kids and it gives them
something to look forward to togo like trick-or-treating, but I
I don't know.
I think there are limits to it,and I think it's become worse
(07:21):
these days.
What are your thoughts?
SPEAKER_02 (07:24):
Uh well uh I was gonna ask Pierre if he knew
where the word Halloween camefrom.
I did not.
SPEAKER_00 (07:32):
No, I don't either.
SPEAKER_02 (07:33):
All Hollows Eve.
Oh, that's kind of whereHalloween came, and and that is
the night before All Saints Day,which is November 1st, and
that's a Christian holidayhonoring saints and martyrs.
It is a time to reflect on thevictory of light over darkness.
November 1st is so that's kindof where Halloween and and and
then it got hijacked, you know.
(07:54):
As a celebration, it gothijacked a little bit, and uh
yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (07:59):
So that's because it got it got kind of hijacked with
almost like a darkness, likeit's it's weird.
Like, and so I I I mean I wentto retreating as a kid, and you
don't really think about thattype of stuff, you know.
Most of the time you're you'rejust going and trying to get
candy, you know, trying to getthat candy corn fix, right?
Well, so uh that's just thethought process.
But when you you start to growup and you start to again see
(08:21):
the the level of it, you can seethe the darkness in it.
I I still think there can bejoy, you know, just founding the
innocence of of kids, you know,dressing up as some of their you
know favorite characters, and umagain, you don't want to get to
the borderline of like idols andstuff, but it's still just being
able to get candy and you knowcome home and you know separate
(08:44):
it and go through it with yourparents and look at all the
things you've got, yeah,grandparents as well.
And so I can see the fun in itthere, but I also can see that
there's there's probably a linein you know how much you're
celebrating and and what you'reultimately potentially
worshipping uh on that night.
unknown (08:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (09:00):
Well, I like oh go ahead, Michelle.
SPEAKER_00 (09:01):
Oh, I was just gonna say, like for us, it's it's
always like for Olivia, it'sbeen a tradition for her to look
forward to to and to my for mydad.
Like we go to their house lastand she sits on the floor and
they sort the candy together andcount it and what kinds, and
like it's just been this cutelittle tradition that they've
always had.
So, you know, it's one of thoselittle things like to look
(09:23):
forward to.
So I don't know, I think it'swhat you what you make of it and
what you allow your kids to makeof it, maybe.
SPEAKER_02 (09:32):
And I think what a lot of churches do nowadays, and
and maybe even a lot ofChristians, is look at it as an
outreach opportunity too, tohave like a fall festival and to
get together.
And and that's kind of what itstarted, and I say started out
as, but uh in a pagan influence,that the Celtic festival,
Samahan, I think that's how youpronounce it, they it used to be
(09:52):
the end of the harvest and thebeginning of winter.
And people believe that the veilbetween living and the dead was
so thin there that they litbonfires and wore costumes to
ward off evil spirits.
And and so, you know, there werethose old traditions like that
that I'm not gonna say arenecessarily true, but maybe
that's where some of the scarystuff comes into play.
And and you hear some of thoseold ghost stories and
(10:14):
everything.
And what churches do nowadays isthey look at it as an
opportunity to get together withchurch family and maybe even
neighbors, and an outreachopportunity to just kind of
break down that veil betweenpeople who maybe would never
step foot in the church, ormaybe they were thinking about
doing that, and and having anopportunity just to say, hey,
look at these people are justnormal people having a good
(10:36):
time, eating hot dogs around acampfire, and uh handing out
candy and and doing some funthings like a hay ride, you
know.
And so it it's become kind oflike that outreach opportunity,
I believe.
Yeah, I can see that.
I can see that right.
SPEAKER_01 (10:51):
I can understand too.
SPEAKER_02 (10:53):
Yeah, I do too.
I I do too.
And and look, like we're nothere to tell you, we're just
here talking about these thingsand trying to figure it out
ourselves and see what's right,what's wrong, and um ultimately
you're the one who stands beforeGod.
I'm the one who stands beforeGod, and so we have to do that.
And I love to be able to talkabout that stuff because in our
society, like we've said before,you just can't talk about these
(11:14):
things anymore.
People, you people are afraid toget their feelings hurt, and
people are afraid to expresstheir opinions without fighting,
you know.
I think that's what everybody'safraid of is just fighting,
making enemies.
And unfortunately, that's how alot of arguments end or
discussions end in arguments, Iguess.
And that's not how it should be.
We should be able to talk aboutthese things openly to try and
(11:36):
come to a conclusion.
These are these are lifeimportant events and maybe even
eternal life events that we'retalking about here on this
podcast.
And I love that we're able totalk about those things.
SPEAKER_01 (11:48):
I do.
I just think I I don't know, Ifeel like pride's just taken
over so many, so many people, somany different individuals where
they just feel like they have tobe right, and there's no there's
no way around it.
If they're not right, then youknow an argument's gonna ensue.
And it doesn't, it doesn'tmatter the topic.
Like you're on social media,like some people argue about the
(12:11):
dumbest stuff to me, and I'mlike, what is going on?
Like, is this dress blue or isit pink?
It's like really, like, are wereally?
Like, I don't know.
It's just strange.
And and again, I don't knowwhere the the price's coming in
at of how it got to this point.
I I think obviously social mediaplays a part of it, um, just
because of so many algorithmsand how you you it makes you
(12:34):
feel like the the other personwho's opposite of you is like a
complete idiot, just because allyou see is your side and what
you want to see, and you'reyou're missing a whole nother
side of things because thealgorithm doesn't show you.
It only shows you kind of whatwhat's happening in your world
and not what's happening on thethe opposite side of the coin or
the other side of the thing.
(12:55):
It's just a it's a toughbalance.
And so I I get it, but I also,you know, you gotta be you do,
you gotta be careful, you know.
People are you know losing theirlives over opinions and stuff
like that.
So I don't know, it's tough.
You want to be bold um and reachpeople, but you also want to be
smart and you know not not doanything that causes somebody to
(13:17):
cross the line.
SPEAKER_02 (13:19):
I also think some people, maybe Christians in
particular, we try to put aChristian spin on spin on this
because all three of us areconfessors uh and believers and
followers of our Lord and SaviorJesus Christ, that they have
never thought about it from adifferent perspective or from a
Christian perspective, likesomething like Halloween.
But it's something that we needto think about, other things we
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need to think about, and nothave closed minds to not have to
think about them, I guess.
And uh 2 Timothy 4 2 says,Preach the word, be prepared in
season and out of season,correct, rebuke, and encourage
with great patience and carefulinstruction.
Uh, Pierre, that that means nottrying to win every argument,
uh, doing it with love andkindness, I think, Michelle, is
(14:02):
what it what it says.
And then also it says inProverbs 28:1, the righteous are
as bold as a lion.
So just because we thinksomething doesn't mean we have
to offend somebody with ourthoughts, but we should be able
to be prepared and we shouldhave the desire to be bold like
a lion to say our thoughts inthe midst of evil.
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Uh, and and uh you kind ofalluded to it a little bit,
Pierre, I think, with CharlieKirk and what happened with him.
I I I knew who he was, I've hadseen some debate things.
I'm I'm gonna be honest withyou, I'm not a very good
debater.
I think that's the reason why mywife married me.
I really do.
She she wins every argument,either because I quit or she
just wins.
(14:43):
You know, I just it's just howit is.
And I I I I so I don't likedebates, so I didn't really
watch a lot of Charlie Kirk, butthe things I did see from him, I
was like, well, at least he'sstanding up for what he believes
in.
And I I think people's peoplenever want to be proven wrong
about something, and that canmake enemies very, very quickly,
especially in a largeenvironment like he did it in.
(15:04):
And he he'd been, you know,talking at college campuses
forever for one reason oranother.
But I think in a largeenvironment, if you get
embarrassed in a bigenvironment, you're gonna make
enemies very quickly.
And and I think that's whatCharlie Kirk did, and I think
people liked his boldness, butsome people just hated hated his
boldness as well.
It was very strange that he umrelationship he had with the
(15:25):
crowd.
SPEAKER_01 (15:26):
I just think anything with like a public
platform like that.
It's just a risk.
And you know, unfortunately thathappened to him, and uh I didn't
really know him too much.
I I seen a couple of the debatesjust on like a a reel or a
TikTok or something like that.
But it was like I I knew him,followed him, et cetera.
I I seen some things that youknow I agreed with.
(15:48):
I seen some things he said thatI disagreed with, but I mean
that's off anyone, but youshould be able to, again, have
freedom of speech and be safe aslong as you're not promoting,
you know, hate.
Um and I think that's where thethat's where things are getting
crazy because you know, folksare so quickly to get offensive
that you know that thatpromotion of hate is easily
(16:09):
twisted, whether it is or not.
You can go back to so much inlike history for that to take
place.
You know, we've had you knowslavery in our in our country,
we've had you know women'srights, we've had all these big
moments where people were onboth sides of what was good and
what was evil, and you know,some felt that you know what
(16:29):
they were doing was good when itwas bad.
So it's hard to just decipherwhat runs through each
individual's minds when theycome across things like that.
So I don't know, it's tough.
SPEAKER_00 (16:40):
I mean, for me, I I mean literally I've spent when
you know when Peter goes downhis rabbit holes, I I will sit
and sometimes stare at theceiling thinking through things
like things will just keep goingthrough my head.
And like I was trying topinpoint when in my life when
all of this seems to haveshifted.
(17:01):
Like when I was a kid, we hadDemocrats and Republicans,
right?
But there wasn't this separationlike there is now where it's
like there's so much hate andall of this is like you know,
they're wrong and we're right onboth sides.
And it it was always like adebate, but not a split.
(17:25):
I don't know how to explainthat, but like I don't know, but
I I knew there were twodifferent parties, but it wasn't
like people necessarily like theway I saw it anyway.
It wasn't like it become theiridentity.
And now I feel like it's anidentity, it doesn't matter.
(17:46):
You know you you have toidentify with one of those, and
I don't agree with that, and Ithink it's scary.
So like I feel like it startedwhen social when like the
internet came about, andespecially when social media
did, and like Pierre said whenwe have the the algorithms and
such, I think that has literallyjust done more to separate
(18:09):
people than to ever bringanybody together, and it's scary
and sad, and I don't know how inthis day and time how we bring
that back together, truthfully.
Like it it's truthfully sad.
SPEAKER_02 (18:24):
No, it it is.
Um Paul had a Twitter, half theNew Testament would be in
subtweets, you know.
Just I mean, all over the placethere.
And and for us with ourplatform, either whether it's a
podcast or on social media orwhatever, I think it's a good
thing to think about.
Uh, are we using our platformsto edify people or just to echo
(18:46):
the sentiments that are outthere, just to retweet or quote
tweet or something?
Or are we using the platform toedify folks and to try and
educate them to think outside, Idon't know, of just their
regular box, you know, and touplift and to and to be
spiritual on some matters thatare out there.
Uh Ephesians 4.29 says, do notlet any unwholesome talk come
out of your mouth, but only whatis helpful for building others
(19:09):
up.
And that's the same for socialmedia.
That's what we should be doing.
And I look, I I could be guiltyas as anybody else.
I'm not saying I'm perfect.
I need to be reminded of thesethings.
And I I listen, uh, I talk, Ilearn while I talk.
So I I have to talk to learn.
I I talk to myself.
You should hear the dialoguesthat go on in my head, y'all.
(19:29):
It's crazy.
All the different voices, too.
unknown (19:33):
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (19:35):
It's something I think that that is one of those
studies that they have out therethat uh we have an inner
monologue.
Some people have it and somepeople don't.
And I I do not understand howanybody cannot have an inner
monologue.
Pierre, do you have an innermonologue?
SPEAKER_01 (19:49):
I do.
It's pretty calm, though.
I don't think it runs well likemy wife for sure.
I'm not sure.
Um yours probably was wild aswell, Wes, but me and your wife
are connected like that.
Pretty pretty locked in to itsindividual boxes when it's oh
that's true.
SPEAKER_02 (20:08):
Uh the uh all right, all right.
So uh let's let's see what elsewas has been going on.
Uh you guys probably the theawards, the uh Christian music
awards.
That did you guys happen toattend those things?
SPEAKER_01 (20:23):
We had in the past, we had this year.
Um I did see the news.
So we're big fans of ForceFrame.
I don't know if you know whothat is, but he's a he's a bit
younger, younger artist.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
I gotta stand up and do thatlittle dance.
I know he came out and there wasa little debate with him because
he he didn't attend the theDevil Awards.
(20:44):
Uh he had a speech about likenot you know accepting trophies
ultimately for the work he'sdoing for Jesus, and I think it
was jelly roll kind of had aretort at the Devil Awards
towards him.
SPEAKER_02 (20:55):
By the way, I love jelly roll.
I used to get him whenever I wasa kid at the little hostess
store down the road from me.
Oh, buddy, little cherry jellyroll things.
SPEAKER_01 (21:05):
So this is actually human, but yeah, uh it's a
retort on like kind of how heaccepts money.
So what's the deal with thetrophy?
So I don't know, I don't knowall the details on that, but
it's just interesting becauseyou you get to kind of see some
of these Christian artists, youknow, fighting their own
thoughts and their their owndemons.
And what I find it reallyinteresting is so you know, the
(21:26):
Bible said not to lean into yourown understanding, but isn't
that ultimately what everyonedoes?
Like that what we're doing, youknow, right now on this podcast.
Isn't that technically what yourpastors are doing every single
Sunday with with the word thatthey're delivering?
Um, yeah, some are moreeducated, but ultimately you're
you're leaning into yourunderstanding of what you've
(21:48):
been taught or what you've read,and you're then you know
portraying that to those thatare listening.
SPEAKER_00 (21:55):
Or even your understanding of what you feel
like you've received from Godafter prayer, right?
Like it's still yourunderstanding, so it's a really
difficult topic.
SPEAKER_01 (22:05):
So I don't know how you don't lean into your own
understanding.
I know recently, like I've beenlike I've been locked in on
that.
Is it ecclesiastic?
Ecclesiastics.
Ecclesiastics.
Either way, however it'spronounced, obviously I'm not a
a a scholar here, but it's thatthat opening, you know,
meaningless, meaningless, how itopens in chapter one.
And again, I used to think thatthat was just kind of like dark
(22:28):
and saying that life itself wasmeaningless, but the more you
dive into it, it really justtells you how like trying to
understand is what themeaningless part is.
Like trying to lean into yourown understanding, it's
meaningless because you willnever understand, you know, why
the world is the way it is, whypeople the way are the way they
are.
(22:48):
You know, the rainfalls on thejust and the unjust.
There's no there's no right orwrong to it.
It's just things just happen.
Terrible things happen, goodthings happen, and there's
there's no way of knowing whenthat's going to take place.
And so I feel like Solomon waswas on to something who I say is
uh, you know, he's the one thatasked.
(23:09):
He prayed for wisdom, uh, andthe Lord granted it to him.
And so for him to say that it'skind of meaningless to try to
understand things, I think hewas on to something because you
really just you know stressyourself out, get anxious over
things that probably aren'tmeant for you to understand.
SPEAKER_02 (23:26):
Uh yeah, I hope somebody, whenever they read the
the Ecclesiastes, gave Solomonan 800 number right away because
that guy, and whenever I gothrough Ecclesiastes or I listen
to it or whatever, I'm alwayslike, Oh, somebody needs to help
this fella because this fellacannot find happiness anywhere.
But he tried to find happinesseverywhere and doing everything,
and he had every resource at hisfingertips.
(23:48):
He had all the money to tryeverything, he had the the word
to be able to do anything hewanted to do.
He could just say, do this, andI'll and it'll find happiness,
you know, just stuff like that.
And he could not find that kindof happiness anywhere.
And one of the things we got toremember is that uh, you know,
some people meet Jesus in churchand others meet him in a Lauren
(24:10):
Daigle Bridge, right?
That as far as the music goes,or trying to find happiness, or
trying to find God, or findtrying our find trying to find
our place of understanding,people can come to that
understanding of God in manydifferent ways and to be edified
in many different ways.
And we all have talents to beable to give people edification,
(24:32):
to give people maybe a littlespiritual boost or a spiritual
direction.
And that's what God depends onus to do.
And I think that that issomething that we all have to
remember, even in thosesorrowful times like uh Solomon
had in the book of Ecclesiastes.
We can read that like yousaying, Pierre, and it makes
sense to us because we can tryto get the biggest house on the
(24:53):
highest hill, as Ric Flair wouldsay, in the best neighborhood.
Woo! And it just may neversatisfy us because there's
always a bigger house, a betterneighborhood.
There's always more money to behad, but there's only one God
that's eternal that can give uspeace and joy for the rest of
our lives.
SPEAKER_00 (25:13):
And you know, you say that, Wes, and literally the
thing that's been going throughmy head for I don't know when
was Liv's last volleyball game aweek ago, or something like
that.
So is comparison to the thief ofjoy.
And the reason that has been inmy head is for some reason we
(25:33):
had this when I wanted to take apicture with Olivia after her
last volleyball game, we hadthis big fight.
Like she didn't want to take apicture.
I fought with her because like Ihaven't had one with her all
season.
Like I don't have this, youknow, to have one with you.
Anyway, it was this whole bigthing.
But yeah, when I posted thatpicture, nobody sees that.
(25:56):
They see this is a nice pictureof beer, Olivia and I, right?
Like that's what people think.
We don't see when people post tothese things.
We've talked about this before.
We see their highlights, we seewhat we we think it is and not
what is necessarily behind it,right?
(26:16):
And so I think we have to bereally careful, especially in
these days of social media, touh really watch that natural
comparison that happens becausesomebody might look at that and
think, man, you know, they havea they have a really great
family.
We do, but we have our issuestoo, right?
Just like anybody else does.
And so um, you know, I just kindof wanted to, I don't know.
(26:40):
It was laid on my heart to throwthat out there.
So I just think it's importantfor someone to hear.
SPEAKER_02 (26:46):
Definitely important for somebody to hear.
And I want to emphasize toeverybody if you're listening to
this podcast and life just feelsa little bit rough, if you're
driving down the road andhopefully we've been able to uh
entertain you, upcur, encourageyou, uplift you a little bit.
Keep you awake, yeah, keep youawake, yes.
You're not not while you'redriving.
If you're but if you are up at 2a.m.
(27:08):
and you're wondering if God'sawake, well, he is, and he
doesn't need melatonin to sleep,he is always there waiting to
hear you.
And in Psalm 4.8, it says, Inpeace I will lie down and sleep
for you alone.
Lord, make me dwell in safety.
You can count on God to be ableto relieve whatever it is those
(27:31):
issues are, or to be able totalk to him and to be able to
help you through and guide youthrough.
You just might have to listenfor the answer a little bit, or
look around you for the answer.
Maybe the answer is through thispodcast, or maybe the answer is
through a uh meeting down atsome church as they're getting
together to celebrate Halloween,you know, as a fall festival,
(27:51):
whatever it is that keeps you upat night.
And what you got to find thosethings that'll help you
surrender it as well, and findthose people that'll help you
surrender it.
Uh people that'll make you feelcomfortable, people that could
be around you, that willencourage you, that will uplift
you and do all those things foryou that God wants you to
receive that peace, and He He'llsend those people your way, I
(28:14):
think.
SPEAKER_01 (28:15):
I agree, and I just say like enjoy those people.
I mean, we we've all experienceddeath.
Um, we lost a friend hererecently as well, and just the
the way that played out was justso awkward, like the the timing
of how everything would have hadto to fall into place for that
accident to take place.
But you know, we don't we neverknow what what what day you know
(28:39):
we'll be called home.
I think you know we all getdistracted with the things of
this world and probably try toget distracted just because you
don't want to think about thefact that one day, you know,
that's gonna be you, which isthe case for all of us.
But you know, until that daycomes, just enjoy, you know, the
people that are are brought intoyour life, you know, try to
appreciate them, try love onthem.
(29:01):
Uh and again, try to have joy.
That's that's you know what whatGod wants you to do.
The thief comes to kill, still,destroy, but you know, the the
Lord wants you to have you knowlife and live it to the fullest.
So do your best to do that.
You know, hug your hug yourfamily, hug your friends, laugh,
smile.
Just be, right?
(29:21):
Just be.
SPEAKER_02 (29:22):
That thief better not come in here trying to get
my pumpkin candy corns.
I'm just gonna tell you rightnow, we're gonna have issues if
that happens.
Hey, if there's anything we cando for you, you let us know.
You can reach us uh through allthe comments there on whatever
listening platform you like tolisten to us on, just leave us a
comment that'll not only helpthose aggro algorithms that are
evil and sinister that areplotting against us each step of
the way.
This will help the show get outinto more uh an audience's more
(29:45):
podcast feeds, is what it'llhelp to do.
And Piero, tell them again howthey could send us something if
they want to tell us what to donext, or if they just have
something that they would likefor us to pray for them with.
SPEAKER_01 (29:56):
Yeah, um, you can send prayers or topic thoughts,
whatever you want to.
In to uh at finding faith pod onx slash twitter.
Uh you can email us atfindingfaith.losingsleep at
gmail.com or send us a text uhthrough the description of our
episode through any of the theplatforms, you know, Apple
Podcasts, Spotify, iHeartRadio.
Um we're we're everywhere.
SPEAKER_02 (30:17):
We're we're all all places.
All places trying to become allthings to all men.
That's what we're trying to do.
All right.
Good job, everybody.
Thank you for listening.
Going back and listen to thosepast episodes.
If this is your first episode,you'll be able to glean a lot of
information from those pastones.
And as always, if you pray forus, we'll pray for you.
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