April 29, 2025 • 29 mins
Charlie and Jill open with an emotional email from a young man grappling with his grandfather’s death despite the family's strong faith and prayers for healing. This prompts the episode’s central question: How do you keep your faith when healing doesn’t happen?
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Charlie LeBlanc (00:05):
Hi, everybody, and welcome back to another
episode of Finding Hope, gettingthrough what you didn't ask for.
And we're Charlie and JillLeBlanc, as you may know, and
we're just excited to be herewith you again today. We have a
great, a great episode today. Idon't know what they call them.
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Episode, podcast, all those goodthings. But yeah, we have a
really, interesting one today.It's kind of a tough one
actually because, we received anemail from a young man at school
asking this tough question and,it's basically a question about
faith. How do you, how do youmaintain your faith when you go
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through a real tragic situation?And it was really hard for us to
maintain that faith as well.
But before we get into that, wedo wanna do a quick shout out to
John Tesh.
Jill LeBlanc (01:01):
Yeah. What a blessing it was that they wanted
to do this interview with us, heand Connie. Connie was the
producer, so she was behind thescenes. She's awesome.
Charlie LeBlanc (01:12):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (01:13):
And John was amazing in-
Charlie LeBlanc (01:15):
Yes he was.
Jill LeBlanc (01:16):
-in all the all the things he asked. And we're
hoping if you got to hear thoseepisodes, which if you haven't,
we really wanna encourage you togo back and and listen to them
because they were powerful.
Charlie LeBlanc (01:29):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (01:29):
But, John was he was the bomb.
Charlie LeBlanc (01:32):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (01:33):
And what a privilege it was.
Charlie LeBlanc (01:35):
It really was. And by the way, I wanted to say,
he pushed our book for thosefirst three podcasts, and I
wanna push his book. He wrote abook called Relentless that you
can find on Amazon, Relentlessby John Tesh. And it is amazing.
I got the audiobook for it.
I mainly got it because I wantedto learn how to do our audio
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book because he spoke so well.He's such a professional and all
that kind of stuff. But, but Istarted listening to it and I'm
like, oh my gosh, his story wasgripping. Yeah. So I really
encourage you to get John Tesh'sbook called Relentless,
available on all the platforms,of course.
Jill LeBlanc (02:14):
Yeah. Charlie had it on audio.
Charlie LeBlanc (02:17):
And
Jill LeBlanc (02:18):
so I feel like I've listened to it because he
would put it on in the showerand blast it.
Charlie LeBlanc (02:22):
Blast it. Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (02:23):
So so I heard a lot of it too. But it really was
amazing.
Charlie LeBlanc (02:27):
It really was good. So anyway, again, thanks
John and Connie Tesh.
So to get into the heart of thematter today, this is a tough
subject as I said, what aboutfaith? And if you don't mind,
I'm gonna open up with a part ofa little email that I received
just recently from a young manwho lost his grandfather, about
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a year and a half ago, and himand his family were standing in
faith. The grandfather waspraying. They were standing in
faith.
We were, they were all, justlike we were standing in faith,
believing God, confessing thescriptures, you know, praying
constantly, and their theirgrandpa passed and their hearts
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were shattered and broken. Andthen the good news is that, they
got ahold of our book and andthey were blessed. So maybe I'm
getting two stories mixed, butnonetheless, he came to me with
an email and, and-
Jill LeBlanc (03:28):
And he didn't have our book because it would have
answered these questions that
Charlie LeBlanc (03:32):
That's right. There was another young man that
came up to me during that sameservice and said, I got your
book a year later after ourmother passed. So I'm getting
the two mixed up. Sorry aboutthat you guys. But nonetheless,
this, let me just read this toyou.
I thought this was reallyheartbreaking, but he says,
apologize for a rather heavyquestion, but similar to you, my
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whole family, including mygrandpa, was standing in the
Word for his healing andunfortunately did not see the
physical results we werebelieving for, which we
understand.
Jill LeBlanc (04:03):
We have the same story.
Charlie LeBlanc (04:05):
Same story. And it says, I still wanna pursue
walking and healing with an openmind and with a full submission
to what the Word of God says,but I feel as though, this is a
powerful statement, but I feelas though my understanding is a
little broken at this point intime. But it touched me deeply.
Jill LeBlanc (04:29):
So he said, I wondered if you had any wisdom
regarding understanding andwalking in Biblical healing
after experiencing what seemedcontrary to the word. Forgive me
for breaking down that way, butboy, when I sense people hurting
like that, it just, I don'tknow, touches something deep in
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my heart, I guess, because whenyou've been through it and you
and you have felt the pain, youknow, it's easy for you to get
touched in that same area whenyou sense someone else has
experienced the same kind ofpain.
Charlie LeBlanc (05:04):
So anyway, this sweet young person, I guess I
didn't meet the person,grandfather, so he must be
young, but I did email him backand I did my best to explain our
heart and our journey of faithcoming back. But we wanted to
talk about that today with you,to hope to give you a little bit
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of insight and maybe possibly alittle help if you have stood in
faith and believed God for thehealing of your loved one and it
didn't happen. And we have seenit way too many times, and I'm
not trying to be the doom andgloom guy because we have seen
many people get healed, some ofour best friends have gotten
miraculous healings, but forthose who don't receive the
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healing it does leave a lot ofconfusion and a lot of
difficulty.
Jill LeBlanc (05:57):
And and we went through that, didn't really went
through that for a long, longtime. And I know that your grief
journey was a little differentthan mine.
Charlie LeBlanc (06:09):
Right.
Jill LeBlanc (06:09):
But nonetheless, they were both so deep and so
long.
Charlie LeBlanc (06:14):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (06:15):
And, really, it we're changed forever.
Charlie LeBlanc (06:19):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (06:19):
You know, it doesn't go away like it never
happened. Our lives are changedforever.
Charlie LeBlanc (06:27):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (06:27):
And that's what happens when you lose a close
loved one.
Charlie LeBlanc (06:30):
Well, here I was breaking down just a minute
ago a little bit after sixteenyears of Beau passing, and Beau
will be 40 next month.
Jill LeBlanc (06:40):
Right. In May.
Charlie LeBlanc (06:41):
In May. And so it's been sixteen years for us
and it's still very tough inthose moments. But we live life,
we have fun, we laugh, a lot ofgreat things, we have grandkids,
but there are moments when weremember and think about both.
So back to the subject. Let tryto tackle this a little bit.
You know, I emailed the guy backand I just loved on him. And,
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you know, there's a chapter inour book, by the way, When Loss
Comes Close to Home, maybe herewould be better instead of right
in front of the mic, but, butWhen Loss Comes Close to Home, I
actually addressed it. The lastchapter says, "What about
faith?" Because that, you know,we we minister to the
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brokenhearted, we minister topeople who have friends who have
lost loved ones, but but youknow, everyone quite often
people say, well, what happened?Why you know you were standing
in faith why didn't it work foryou and so on and so forth and
these are tough tough questionsbut and like you said we both
went on different journeysthrough that terrible aftermath
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of awful pain and confusion.
But one of the things thathelped me was a pastor, and this
didn't answer all the questions,but a pastor came up to me right
the day that Beau passed. Hecame over to the house, lots of
people came over to our houseand ministered to us. And this
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sweet pastor friend of ours,Rick, he said, Charlie, he said,
"there's a faith to standagainst the mountains." No.
Jill LeBlanc (08:21):
There's a faith to move mountains.
Charlie LeBlanc (08:23):
Thank you. That's right.
Jill LeBlanc (08:25):
And there's a faith to stand when the mountain
doesn't move.
Charlie LeBlanc (08:29):
That's right.
Jill LeBlanc (08:30):
And then he followed it up with, "And that's
where you are right now."
Charlie LeBlanc (08:33):
Yeah. Yeah. So that statement, a faith to stand
when the mountain doesn't move.Wow. That touched me deeply
because that's what we needed.
That's what, that's where wewere at. We were in a very
broken place. We had beenknocked down, and yet, we wanted
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to stand back up and somehowmake it through this. It was so
tough. We had to figure it out.
We had to figure out how are wegonna survive this awful
tragedy. How are we gonna makeit through this situation? So,
so yeah, so we did our best andand that statement alone helped
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me. Faith to stand when themountain doesn't move. And so I
endeavored.
I prayed. I sought God. I said,God help. Help me. I need this
faith.
And I know this young man is,their their family probably went
through the same thing. How youknow, how do we find faith to
stand when everything fellapart? So, one of the things
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also that helped me was, you gothrough all this mind battle.
What did I do wrong? Who didwrong? Who didn't do the right
thing? Did I not pray properly?Did I not fast long enough? You
know, should we have gone to adifferent doctor?
Should we gone to a differenthospital? We went to the Mayo
Clinic, but maybe we should havewent to MD Anderson or maybe we
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should have gone to this placein St. Louis, you know. There's
so many questions that bombardyour mind you just feel so
defeated and then you also havethis thing of, you know, God why
didn't you? God how could thishave happened?
But you know, one thing thathappened to me that I came to a
place where I said, you knowwhat, I'm gonna drive myself
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mad, crazy, if I keep trying tofigure this thing out. And
there's a scripture in1 Corinthians 13 that basically
says that we see through a glassdarkly but then face to face.
And I began to see that as longas we're in this earthly body
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and this earthly mind, we're notgonna know everything. It says
we know in part, then we'll knowmore.
Jill LeBlanc (10:53):
But that was a really hard pill to swallow in
the beginning.
Charlie LeBlanc (10:57):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (10:57):
You know, that I remember being with another
couple and talking abouteverything, and and he said, you
know, some things we just won'tknow till we get to heaven. And
I said, that's not good enough.I've gotta have some answers.
Charlie LeBlanc (11:14):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (11:15):
You know, so in the beginning, you're just
you're just raw.
Charlie LeBlanc (11:17):
That's true.
Jill LeBlanc (11:18):
And you don't wanna hear things like that, you
know, like what you just said.
Charlie LeBlanc (11:24):
Yeah. Well, just like you don't wanna hear,
well, he's in heaven. Praise thelord. You know? Wow. You don't
wanna hear that kind of stuff.
Jill LeBlanc: That's kind of insensitive for (11:29):
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people to say that.
Charlie LeBlanc (11:32):
For sure.
Jill LeBlanc (11:32):
But this part, you know, when you just you're so
broken, you're just so crushed.And, you know, when someone says
something just to try to help usget along, you know, in our
journey a little bit better...You just don't wanna hear that.
Charlie LeBlanc (11:49):
Yeah. I mean, there's a time and a season for
everything.
Jill LeBlanc (11:51):
The secret things.
Charlie LeBlanc (11:52):
And, yeah, exactly. And that's the other
scripture that helped me, it'sthe secret things belong to the
Lord. But, you just like yousaid, Jill, you know, when at
the beginning nothing helped us,to be honest.
Jill LeBlanc (12:08):
Right. Exactly.
Charlie LeBlanc (12:09):
Nothing. Nothing helped. We were broken.
Here I go again. We were in somuch pain and and our heart
bleeds for those who have beenthrough losses like this because
your heart is so shattered.
Jill LeBlanc (12:25):
Mhmm.
Charlie LeBlanc (12:25):
You're in so much pain. You don't know what
to do. And you don't know whereto turn, and you try to turn to
God, but then God didn't answeryour prayer for healing for your
friend or your loved one, andand you are just shattered. Your
heart is shattered, and there'sso many scriptures that I've
learned now that talk about yourheart being shattered and grief
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being beyond words and thosethings help me even reading some
of David's Psalms that that werejust, you know, expressing his
confusion over what happens inhis life.
And so, yeah, there is no greatanswer and there's a time for
certain answers. This particularone that said, you know, the
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secret things belong to theLord. I don't remember when in
my journey that happened. Butwhen it did, it it did help me
to say, okay, I'm gonna have tofigure out how to be okay with
this.
Jill LeBlanc (13:22):
Yeah.
Charlie LeBlanc (13:23):
You know, I don't want to. I don't want, I'm
still not really okay with it.
Jill LeBlanc (13:27):
Well, no, not okay with it.
Charlie LeBlanc (13:28):
But I'm gonna have to figure out how to live.
And so that's when the Lord'sor, either the Lord spoke to me,
I'm sure the Holy Spirit'salways helping us in all these
situations. He is, of course.
Jill LeBlanc (13:42):
Yes.
Charlie LeBlanc (13:42):
But but, but, like, I thought, you know what?
I'm gonna have to live in what Iknow and not in what I don't
know.
Jill LeBlanc (13:51):
Right.
Charlie LeBlanc (13:52):
I wanted to say that again, live in what you
know and not in what you don'tknow.
Jill LeBlanc (13:58):
Right.
Charlie LeBlanc (13:58):
And that's kind of a weird little twist on
things but I had to just reachout to God and say, okay God, I
know because I've known you thismany years and I've known God
for a long time, I said, I knowthat you're a good God and I
know that you still love me nomatter what.
Jill LeBlanc (14:22):
Right.
Charlie LeBlanc (14:23):
And and so I'm gonna start there. God, you love
me. But God, you didn't heal myson, but God you love me.
And yet, you know, that wholething of you didn't heal my son,
there's so many doctrinal anddeep theological things to deal
with concerning that. You know,because the Word of God says
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that by his stripes we werehealed, that He already did it
on the cross of Calvary, thatit's done. So to even say, God,
you didn't heal my son. Well, hesaid, yes I did. We just didn't
receive it. So there's all thattoo.
Jill LeBlanc (14:57):
Mhmm.
Charlie LeBlanc (14:57):
But nonetheless, I had to live in
what I knew and I knew God lovedme and I knew that the other
thing that jumped out is I knewthat he said he would comfort
those who mourn and that hehealed broken hearts. So those
two things, he healed brokenhearts and he comforts those who
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mourn. So those two littlethings helped me.
Kinda like what you saidearlier, you just gotta take it
a little bit at a time Wherewhere you're at at the time.
Jill LeBlanc (15:30):
Mhmm.
Charlie LeBlanc (15:31):
You know, to see what will help you and what
won't.
Jill LeBlanc (15:35):
Right. Right. There was someone that contacted
us through social media who'srecently in the last month or
two whose son suddenly passedaway. I think it was a heart
issue. And he was in his, what,twenties maybe, and or maybe
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thirties. And it was just so sosudden, and she was so flipped
out. And, you know, I was tryingto reach out to her and just,
you know, just try to help her alittle bit because she was so
distraught.
Charlie LeBlanc (16:11):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (16:12):
And, you know, but that's the way it is sometimes
in the beginning for people.
Charlie LeBlanc (16:17):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (16:18):
And I know that I, you know, we were a little
different in that for me, Ididn't get a lot of scriptural
words, you know, revelation.
Charlie LeBlanc (16:32):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (16:33):
It it mostly, most of my encouragement came from
either people sharing with me avision they had or a dream that
I may have had or just a thoughtthat I felt like God was
speaking to me or something.
Charlie LeBlanc (16:50):
Right.
Jill LeBlanc (16:50):
And so it just comes different ways for
different people.
Charlie LeBlanc (16:55):
Yeah. It does. And and you just you just have
to be patient with yourself.Someone said be kind to
yourself.
Jill LeBlanc (17:02):
Right.
Charlie LeBlanc (17:03):
And we're gonna be talking a lot on these
podcasts about the things, youknow, the way to treat people,
like you said your friend whohad just had a loss, you know we
talked about that on some of theJohn Tesh interviews, but a lot
of what we have on our heart isto encourage you and help you be
a better friend to someone whohas had a loss as well. But you
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know, I was thinking about thisarea of faith, just to get back
specifically to that. There'sthis whole aspect in Hebrews 11,
and I thought I could just turnto here to my book and there it
would be. But basically, theyjust said, these all died in
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faith, not receiving thepromises of God. And I think
sometimes we think we're, ifyou're really in faith then
everything would have worked outjust perfectly.
But really and truly, so manygreat men and women of God have
died, been murdered, beenmurdered and they were in faith,
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they were in incredible faith.And Hebrews 11 shows us a whole
list of people that saw amazingmiracles through faith but on
the flip side it goes on to saysome were sawn in two, some were
murdered and killed. I don'tknow, should I have all that
scripture out and ready. It justshows that you can be in faith
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and still lose your life, numberone. Because we know Beau was in
faith.
Beau never dreamed, he said, I'mnot dying. He yelled out, I'm
not dying. We never dreamed, wenever dreamed it either. So we
were all in faith but you know,he didn't receive the promise on
this side of heaven. And youknow, there there is that that
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aspect and so that's when wefall into that other side of
faith.
Faith to stand when the mountaindoesn't move, but, but yeah, you
know, it's not to say that youweren't in faith, because, you
can be in faith. Paul was anincredible, incredible man of
faith and yet, you know, we haveall those lists of the things
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that he went through. He said,I've worked harder for God,
taken more beatings, I've beendragged to more prisons than
they, I've been flawedexcessively multiple times even
to the point of death. Fivetimes I received 39 lashes from
the Jewish leaders. Three timesI experienced being beaten with
rods.
Once they stoned me three times,I mean, I could go on and on.
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Shipwrecked, you know, night andday in the sea, perilous rivers,
robbers, foreigners. I mean hewent through it and yet he was
in faith during all that time.He was standing, believing,
pushing through the pain.Although when God spoke to him
and knocked him off the horse,God said, I'm gonna show you all
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the things that you're gonnahave to suffer for my name's
sake.
Jill LeBlanc (20:01):
Wow.
Charlie LeBlanc (20:01):
And you know, that wasn't like, you know, that
was just showing you that whenyou preach the Gospel, those who
preach the Gospel will bepersecuted, the Bible says. You
know?
Jill LeBlanc (20:09):
Isn't it interesting though that from the
get go, you know, when Jesusknocked Paul off his horse,
that's when the Lord showed himthat. Right?
Charlie LeBlanc (20:19):
Yeah. The Lord just showed him that.
Jill LeBlanc (20:20):
I mean-
Charlie LeBlanc (20:20):
You're a vessel for me and you're gonna preach
the gospel, but it, you're gonnaget persecuted. You're gonna
get, people things are gonnacome against you. The enemy is
gonna try to stop you in everyway possible. And you know,
Satan doesn't like us at all. Hehates us and he wants to destroy
us.
And he came after our life, ourministry, our son's life, our
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two daughters' life, to destroyus with this cancer with our
son. And it broke us to no endwhen Beau didn't make it. But
one of the other things that werecognized early is that the
enemy was not wanting to stopthere with Beau, but he was
gonna try to destroy ourmarriage and he was gonna try to
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destroy our kids as well. And wejust refused to let him.
You know, Jesus turned to Peterand he said, Peter, Satan has
desired to sift you as wheat,but I have prayed that your
faith fail not. That is soimportant that we stand, we keep
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trusting as best we can. Wekeep, you know, seeking God with
all of our heart. Again, there'sa time, at first, Jill and I,
our hearts were shut down toGod. We were just like, God, I
don't understand this. We don'twanna talk to you. You know?
Jill LeBlanc (21:41):
Well, I I just quit talking altogether. I
didn't even say things likethat. I just I just treated him
like he didn't even existbecause I'm like, everything was
on the line and it failed.
Charlie LeBlanc (21:56):
Yeah, when you're in pain like that, know,
even when someone tries to helpyou, like a dog when the dog's
hurt, you you wanna go try tohelp him and he will bite you if
you go near him. You know, whenyou're in that kind of pain,
you're hurting and it's hard.And it's hard for friends even
to know how to minister to you.That's why the old preacher said
show up and shut up sometimes,But it's just kinda like a
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situation where people have tobe patient with you and you have
to be patient with yourself andjust breathe.
Just take a breath, cry all youwant. Here, and I'm now starting
to preach on what to do when youhave lost, which we're gonna be
touching a lot on that two weeksahead of, we have a whole book
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worth of stuff and more thatwe've learned since we've
written the book. But yeah,Jesus loves us and so many
things just don't make sense inthis life. So many tragedies we
heard on the news today thatthere was a shooting in
Tallahassee, Florida. We live inFlorida.
And it broke our hearts. Twopeople were killed, many others
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injured. Twenty year old wentcrazy and started shooting
people. I mean, I just, the thepain of the losses that we hear
every single day is nonstop. Ourhearts just go out, but we don't
understand it.
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But I'll just say this, we livein a fallen world and this world
is corrupt, it's full of pain,it's full of evil, it's full of
diseases.
Jill LeBlanc (23:43):
Super toxic now. Didn't used to be like that.
Charlie LeBlanc (23:46):
Right. And so, you know, God is not in control
of everything. I'm just gonnashoot that out there, contrary
to a lot of people's beliefs,but God is not in control of
everything. If he was in controlof everything, He would've never
let Adam and Eve, fall in thegarden. But anyway, we can go on
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and on about-
Jill LeBlanc (24:07):
And all would be saved and come to knowledge of the truth.
Charlie LeBlanc (24:09):
and everything would be beautiful, yeah. But
the thing is man has his ownfree will and then there is an
enemy who roams about like aroaring lion seeking whom he may
devour and you know, be notignorant of his devices, the
Bible says. And Ephesians tellsus we don't wrestle against
flesh and blood but againstprincipalities and powers and
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rulers of darkness and spiritualwickedness and high places.
There is an enemy out theredestroying human beings, just
trying to destroy life, tryingto destroy us. And we took a
stand on our marriage and wesaid we're not gonna let this
happen.
And we began to minister to eachother and pray and we did a lot
of safeguards which I think wetalked in the John Tesh
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interview but we'll get intomore of that as we move along.
But you know, we just wanted tojust say that we understand the
pain of knowing that, you know,of not knowing, the pain of not
understanding. And we've beenthere and we still don't fully
understand but we've come to aplace of knowing that God is
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true, his word is true, we wereable to come back to that truth,
to stand in faith with people,to believe God, to pray, to know
that Jesus is a healer, eventhough we didn't experience in
this situation, like we said, somany people have experienced
healing and we've evenexperienced healing.
Jill LeBlanc (25:33):
You can't deny the fact that the Lord still heals
today. Yeah. There's so manyhealings taking place and
miracles happening.
Charlie LeBlanc (25:41):
Absolutely.
Jill LeBlanc (25:42):
We can't deny the fact that God just doesn't heal
today.
Charlie LeBlanc (25:46):
Yeah. He does.
Jill LeBlanc (25:47):
I mean, we can't accept that.
We can't deny that He does heal.
Charlie LeBlanc (25:52):
He does heal. Yes. Exactly. And he is the
healer. Thank God for it.
Jill LeBlanc (25:57):
But, and I couldn't I couldn't go there for
a long time. Because I was like,I don't think so. Yeah. But but
God, in his tender mercy, hejust brought me along and it
was, He's so wonderful.Yeah, He is. He has a way of
reaching each one of us in ourdeepest deepest needs.
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Yeah.
Charlie LeBlanc (26:20):
And you know, I couldn't even read the red
letters in the Bible for a whileso if you're in that position,
that's okay. Just know that Godloves you. That He's patient
with you. I had a biker tell me,he said, Charlie, God's big
enough to handle anything youwanna say to him.
I have some things I wanted tosay, but then he had some things
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he wanted to say to me. He lovesyou and we're sorry about the
pain that maybe you'reexperiencing in your life. And
we do encourage you to bepatient with yourself, be
patient with this journey ofgrief, and just know that God is
going to help you get throughit. We do encourage you to get
our book, When Loss Comes Closeto Home. It does have a lot of
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detail in here about this areaof faith and about so many other
things.
What did John Tesh call it? ASwiss army knife or something? I
don't know.
Jill LeBlanc (27:17):
For getting through grief.
Charlie LeBlanc (27:18):
Yeah. Forgetting through grief. And so
we do encourage you to to getthat, to get the book and, and
and stick with us in thispodcast.
Jill LeBlanc (27:28):
Yeah. And not only for those that are suffering
from a loss, but those that arealso walking beside someone that
is, you know, maybe your yourfriend or, someone in your
family is is walking through aspecial, really painful loss.
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And you're at a loss on what tosay to them. We've got practical
things that you could put to useright now in your life in the
second half of this book.
Charlie LeBlanc (27:58):
Yes. Yes. So God bless you. Thank you for
being with us on this podcast.
We so appreciate it. There'sbuttons or whatever.
Jill LeBlanc (28:07):
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Charlie LeBlanc (28:21):
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Yeah.
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Yeah. And we wanna invite you to to join our
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Jill LeBlanc (28:41):
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And it'sCharlieandJill.com/welcome.
Charlie LeBlanc (28:48):
Yes. And we believe that'll be a blessing to
you as well.
Jill LeBlanc (28:53):
And one last thing. We have a Spotify list
called Finding Hope. It's asong, it's a collection of songs
that will just minister to yourhearts.
Charlie LeBlanc (29:03):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (29:03):
Songs, mostly songs the Lord gave us and a few
others that we've included butit will just touch you in a deep place.
So check out Spotify and is italso on YouTube?
Charlie LeBlanc (29:27):
Yes, it's on YouTube.
Jill LeBlanc (29:28):
Yeah. So check that out, the Finding Hope
playlist.
Charlie LeBlanc (29:32):
Okay, well again, thank you so much for
being with us. We sure love you.And feel free to email us, write
us questions, anything that wecan do to minister to you. We
love you. We're praying for you.
God bless you.
Jill LeBlanc (29:44):
God bless.
Hi, everybody, and welcome back to another
episode of Finding Hope, gettingthrough what you didn't ask for.
And we're Charlie and JillLeBlanc, as you may know, and
we're just excited to be herewith you again today. We have a
great, a great episode today. Idon't know what they call them.
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Episode, podcast, all those goodthings. But yeah, we have a
really, interesting one today.It's kind of a tough one
actually because, we received anemail from a young man at school
asking this tough question and,it's basically a question about
faith. How do you, how do youmaintain your faith when you go
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through a real tragic situation?And it was really hard for us to
maintain that faith as well.
But before we get into that, wedo wanna do a quick shout out to
John Tesh.
Jill LeBlanc (01:01):
Yeah. What a blessing it was that they wanted
to do this interview with us, heand Connie. Connie was the
producer, so she was behind thescenes. She's awesome.
Charlie LeBlanc (01:12):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (01:13):
And John was amazing in-
Charlie LeBlanc (01:15):
Yes he was.
Jill LeBlanc (01:16):
-in all the all the things he asked. And we're
hoping if you got to hear thoseepisodes, which if you haven't,
we really wanna encourage you togo back and and listen to them
because they were powerful.
Charlie LeBlanc (01:29):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (01:29):
But, John was he was the bomb.
Charlie LeBlanc (01:32):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (01:33):
And what a privilege it was.
Charlie LeBlanc (01:35):
It really was. And by the way, I wanted to say,
he pushed our book for thosefirst three podcasts, and I
wanna push his book. He wrote abook called Relentless that you
can find on Amazon, Relentlessby John Tesh. And it is amazing.
I got the audiobook for it.
I mainly got it because I wantedto learn how to do our audio
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book because he spoke so well.He's such a professional and all
that kind of stuff. But, but Istarted listening to it and I'm
like, oh my gosh, his story wasgripping. Yeah. So I really
encourage you to get John Tesh'sbook called Relentless,
available on all the platforms,of course.
Jill LeBlanc (02:14):
Yeah. Charlie had it on audio.
Charlie LeBlanc (02:17):
And
Jill LeBlanc (02:18):
so I feel like I've listened to it because he
would put it on in the showerand blast it.
Charlie LeBlanc (02:22):
Blast it. Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (02:23):
So so I heard a lot of it too. But it really was
amazing.
Charlie LeBlanc (02:27):
It really was good. So anyway, again, thanks
John and Connie Tesh.
So to get into the heart of thematter today, this is a tough
subject as I said, what aboutfaith? And if you don't mind,
I'm gonna open up with a part ofa little email that I received
just recently from a young manwho lost his grandfather, about
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a year and a half ago, and himand his family were standing in
faith. The grandfather waspraying. They were standing in
faith.
We were, they were all, justlike we were standing in faith,
believing God, confessing thescriptures, you know, praying
constantly, and their theirgrandpa passed and their hearts
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were shattered and broken. Andthen the good news is that, they
got ahold of our book and andthey were blessed. So maybe I'm
getting two stories mixed, butnonetheless, he came to me with
an email and, and-
Jill LeBlanc (03:28):
And he didn't have our book because it would have
answered these questions that
Charlie LeBlanc (03:32):
That's right. There was another young man that
came up to me during that sameservice and said, I got your
book a year later after ourmother passed. So I'm getting
the two mixed up. Sorry aboutthat you guys. But nonetheless,
this, let me just read this toyou.
I thought this was reallyheartbreaking, but he says,
apologize for a rather heavyquestion, but similar to you, my
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whole family, including mygrandpa, was standing in the
Word for his healing andunfortunately did not see the
physical results we werebelieving for, which we
understand.
Jill LeBlanc (04:03):
We have the same story.
Charlie LeBlanc (04:05):
Same story. And it says, I still wanna pursue
walking and healing with an openmind and with a full submission
to what the Word of God says,but I feel as though, this is a
powerful statement, but I feelas though my understanding is a
little broken at this point intime. But it touched me deeply.
Jill LeBlanc (04:29):
So he said, I wondered if you had any wisdom
regarding understanding andwalking in Biblical healing
after experiencing what seemedcontrary to the word. Forgive me
for breaking down that way, butboy, when I sense people hurting
like that, it just, I don'tknow, touches something deep in
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my heart, I guess, because whenyou've been through it and you
and you have felt the pain, youknow, it's easy for you to get
touched in that same area whenyou sense someone else has
experienced the same kind ofpain.
Charlie LeBlanc (05:04):
So anyway, this sweet young person, I guess I
didn't meet the person,grandfather, so he must be
young, but I did email him backand I did my best to explain our
heart and our journey of faithcoming back. But we wanted to
talk about that today with you,to hope to give you a little bit
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of insight and maybe possibly alittle help if you have stood in
faith and believed God for thehealing of your loved one and it
didn't happen. And we have seenit way too many times, and I'm
not trying to be the doom andgloom guy because we have seen
many people get healed, some ofour best friends have gotten
miraculous healings, but forthose who don't receive the
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healing it does leave a lot ofconfusion and a lot of
difficulty.
Jill LeBlanc (05:57):
And and we went through that, didn't really went
through that for a long, longtime. And I know that your grief
journey was a little differentthan mine.
Charlie LeBlanc (06:09):
Right.
Jill LeBlanc (06:09):
But nonetheless, they were both so deep and so
long.
Charlie LeBlanc (06:14):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (06:15):
And, really, it we're changed forever.
Charlie LeBlanc (06:19):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (06:19):
You know, it doesn't go away like it never
happened. Our lives are changedforever.
Charlie LeBlanc (06:27):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (06:27):
And that's what happens when you lose a close
loved one.
Charlie LeBlanc (06:30):
Well, here I was breaking down just a minute
ago a little bit after sixteenyears of Beau passing, and Beau
will be 40 next month.
Jill LeBlanc (06:40):
Right. In May.
Charlie LeBlanc (06:41):
In May. And so it's been sixteen years for us
and it's still very tough inthose moments. But we live life,
we have fun, we laugh, a lot ofgreat things, we have grandkids,
but there are moments when weremember and think about both.
So back to the subject. Let tryto tackle this a little bit.
You know, I emailed the guy backand I just loved on him. And,
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you know, there's a chapter inour book, by the way, When Loss
Comes Close to Home, maybe herewould be better instead of right
in front of the mic, but, butWhen Loss Comes Close to Home, I
actually addressed it. The lastchapter says, "What about
faith?" Because that, you know,we we minister to the
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brokenhearted, we minister topeople who have friends who have
lost loved ones, but but youknow, everyone quite often
people say, well, what happened?Why you know you were standing
in faith why didn't it work foryou and so on and so forth and
these are tough tough questionsbut and like you said we both
went on different journeysthrough that terrible aftermath
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of awful pain and confusion.
But one of the things thathelped me was a pastor, and this
didn't answer all the questions,but a pastor came up to me right
the day that Beau passed. Hecame over to the house, lots of
people came over to our houseand ministered to us. And this
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sweet pastor friend of ours,Rick, he said, Charlie, he said,
"there's a faith to standagainst the mountains." No.
Jill LeBlanc (08:21):
There's a faith to move mountains.
Charlie LeBlanc (08:23):
Thank you. That's right.
Jill LeBlanc (08:25):
And there's a faith to stand when the mountain
doesn't move.
Charlie LeBlanc (08:29):
That's right.
Jill LeBlanc (08:30):
And then he followed it up with, "And that's
where you are right now."
Charlie LeBlanc (08:33):
Yeah. Yeah. So that statement, a faith to stand
when the mountain doesn't move.Wow. That touched me deeply
because that's what we needed.
That's what, that's where wewere at. We were in a very
broken place. We had beenknocked down, and yet, we wanted
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to stand back up and somehowmake it through this. It was so
tough. We had to figure it out.
We had to figure out how are wegonna survive this awful
tragedy. How are we gonna makeit through this situation? So,
so yeah, so we did our best andand that statement alone helped
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me. Faith to stand when themountain doesn't move. And so I
endeavored.
I prayed. I sought God. I said,God help. Help me. I need this
faith.
And I know this young man is,their their family probably went
through the same thing. How youknow, how do we find faith to
stand when everything fellapart? So, one of the things
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also that helped me was, you gothrough all this mind battle.
What did I do wrong? Who didwrong? Who didn't do the right
thing? Did I not pray properly?Did I not fast long enough? You
know, should we have gone to adifferent doctor?
Should we gone to a differenthospital? We went to the Mayo
Clinic, but maybe we should havewent to MD Anderson or maybe we
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should have gone to this placein St. Louis, you know. There's
so many questions that bombardyour mind you just feel so
defeated and then you also havethis thing of, you know, God why
didn't you? God how could thishave happened?
But you know, one thing thathappened to me that I came to a
place where I said, you knowwhat, I'm gonna drive myself
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mad, crazy, if I keep trying tofigure this thing out. And
there's a scripture in1 Corinthians 13 that basically
says that we see through a glassdarkly but then face to face.
And I began to see that as longas we're in this earthly body
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and this earthly mind, we're notgonna know everything. It says
we know in part, then we'll knowmore.
Jill LeBlanc (10:53):
But that was a really hard pill to swallow in
the beginning.
Charlie LeBlanc (10:57):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (10:57):
You know, that I remember being with another
couple and talking abouteverything, and and he said, you
know, some things we just won'tknow till we get to heaven. And
I said, that's not good enough.I've gotta have some answers.
Charlie LeBlanc (11:14):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (11:15):
You know, so in the beginning, you're just
you're just raw.
Charlie LeBlanc (11:17):
That's true.
Jill LeBlanc (11:18):
And you don't wanna hear things like that, you
know, like what you just said.
Charlie LeBlanc (11:24):
Yeah. Well, just like you don't wanna hear,
well, he's in heaven. Praise thelord. You know? Wow. You don't
wanna hear that kind of stuff.
Jill LeBlanc: That's kind of insensitive for (11:29):
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people to say that.
Charlie LeBlanc (11:32):
For sure.
Jill LeBlanc (11:32):
But this part, you know, when you just you're so
broken, you're just so crushed.And, you know, when someone says
something just to try to help usget along, you know, in our
journey a little bit better...You just don't wanna hear that.
Charlie LeBlanc (11:49):
Yeah. I mean, there's a time and a season for
everything.
Jill LeBlanc (11:51):
The secret things.
Charlie LeBlanc (11:52):
And, yeah, exactly. And that's the other
scripture that helped me, it'sthe secret things belong to the
Lord. But, you just like yousaid, Jill, you know, when at
the beginning nothing helped us,to be honest.
Jill LeBlanc (12:08):
Right. Exactly.
Charlie LeBlanc (12:09):
Nothing. Nothing helped. We were broken.
Here I go again. We were in somuch pain and and our heart
bleeds for those who have beenthrough losses like this because
your heart is so shattered.
Jill LeBlanc (12:25):
Mhmm.
Charlie LeBlanc (12:25):
You're in so much pain. You don't know what
to do. And you don't know whereto turn, and you try to turn to
God, but then God didn't answeryour prayer for healing for your
friend or your loved one, andand you are just shattered. Your
heart is shattered, and there'sso many scriptures that I've
learned now that talk about yourheart being shattered and grief
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being beyond words and thosethings help me even reading some
of David's Psalms that that werejust, you know, expressing his
confusion over what happens inhis life.
And so, yeah, there is no greatanswer and there's a time for
certain answers. This particularone that said, you know, the
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secret things belong to theLord. I don't remember when in
my journey that happened. Butwhen it did, it it did help me
to say, okay, I'm gonna have tofigure out how to be okay with
this.
Jill LeBlanc (13:22):
Yeah.
Charlie LeBlanc (13:23):
You know, I don't want to. I don't want, I'm
still not really okay with it.
Jill LeBlanc (13:27):
Well, no, not okay with it.
Charlie LeBlanc (13:28):
But I'm gonna have to figure out how to live.
And so that's when the Lord'sor, either the Lord spoke to me,
I'm sure the Holy Spirit'salways helping us in all these
situations. He is, of course.
Jill LeBlanc (13:42):
Yes.
Charlie LeBlanc (13:42):
But but, but, like, I thought, you know what?
I'm gonna have to live in what Iknow and not in what I don't
know.
Jill LeBlanc (13:51):
Right.
Charlie LeBlanc (13:52):
I wanted to say that again, live in what you
know and not in what you don'tknow.
Jill LeBlanc (13:58):
Right.
Charlie LeBlanc (13:58):
And that's kind of a weird little twist on
things but I had to just reachout to God and say, okay God, I
know because I've known you thismany years and I've known God
for a long time, I said, I knowthat you're a good God and I
know that you still love me nomatter what.
Jill LeBlanc (14:22):
Right.
Charlie LeBlanc (14:23):
And and so I'm gonna start there. God, you love
me. But God, you didn't heal myson, but God you love me.
And yet, you know, that wholething of you didn't heal my son,
there's so many doctrinal anddeep theological things to deal
with concerning that. You know,because the Word of God says
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that by his stripes we werehealed, that He already did it
on the cross of Calvary, thatit's done. So to even say, God,
you didn't heal my son. Well, hesaid, yes I did. We just didn't
receive it. So there's all thattoo.
Jill LeBlanc (14:57):
Mhmm.
Charlie LeBlanc (14:57):
But nonetheless, I had to live in
what I knew and I knew God lovedme and I knew that the other
thing that jumped out is I knewthat he said he would comfort
those who mourn and that hehealed broken hearts. So those
two things, he healed brokenhearts and he comforts those who
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mourn. So those two littlethings helped me.
Kinda like what you saidearlier, you just gotta take it
a little bit at a time Wherewhere you're at at the time.
Jill LeBlanc (15:30):
Mhmm.
Charlie LeBlanc (15:31):
You know, to see what will help you and what
won't.
Jill LeBlanc (15:35):
Right. Right. There was someone that contacted
us through social media who'srecently in the last month or
two whose son suddenly passedaway. I think it was a heart
issue. And he was in his, what,twenties maybe, and or maybe
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thirties. And it was just so sosudden, and she was so flipped
out. And, you know, I was tryingto reach out to her and just,
you know, just try to help her alittle bit because she was so
distraught.
Charlie LeBlanc (16:11):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (16:12):
And, you know, but that's the way it is sometimes
in the beginning for people.
Charlie LeBlanc (16:17):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (16:18):
And I know that I, you know, we were a little
different in that for me, Ididn't get a lot of scriptural
words, you know, revelation.
Charlie LeBlanc (16:32):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (16:33):
It it mostly, most of my encouragement came from
either people sharing with me avision they had or a dream that
I may have had or just a thoughtthat I felt like God was
speaking to me or something.
Charlie LeBlanc (16:50):
Right.
Jill LeBlanc (16:50):
And so it just comes different ways for
different people.
Charlie LeBlanc (16:55):
Yeah. It does. And and you just you just have
to be patient with yourself.Someone said be kind to
yourself.
Jill LeBlanc (17:02):
Right.
Charlie LeBlanc (17:03):
And we're gonna be talking a lot on these
podcasts about the things, youknow, the way to treat people,
like you said your friend whohad just had a loss, you know we
talked about that on some of theJohn Tesh interviews, but a lot
of what we have on our heart isto encourage you and help you be
a better friend to someone whohas had a loss as well. But you
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know, I was thinking about thisarea of faith, just to get back
specifically to that. There'sthis whole aspect in Hebrews 11,
and I thought I could just turnto here to my book and there it
would be. But basically, theyjust said, these all died in
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faith, not receiving thepromises of God. And I think
sometimes we think we're, ifyou're really in faith then
everything would have worked outjust perfectly.
But really and truly, so manygreat men and women of God have
died, been murdered, beenmurdered and they were in faith,
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they were in incredible faith.And Hebrews 11 shows us a whole
list of people that saw amazingmiracles through faith but on
the flip side it goes on to saysome were sawn in two, some were
murdered and killed. I don'tknow, should I have all that
scripture out and ready. It justshows that you can be in faith
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and still lose your life, numberone. Because we know Beau was in
faith.
Beau never dreamed, he said, I'mnot dying. He yelled out, I'm
not dying. We never dreamed, wenever dreamed it either. So we
were all in faith but you know,he didn't receive the promise on
this side of heaven. And youknow, there there is that that
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aspect and so that's when wefall into that other side of
faith.
Faith to stand when the mountaindoesn't move, but, but yeah, you
know, it's not to say that youweren't in faith, because, you
can be in faith. Paul was anincredible, incredible man of
faith and yet, you know, we haveall those lists of the things
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that he went through. He said,I've worked harder for God,
taken more beatings, I've beendragged to more prisons than
they, I've been flawedexcessively multiple times even
to the point of death. Fivetimes I received 39 lashes from
the Jewish leaders. Three timesI experienced being beaten with
rods.
Once they stoned me three times,I mean, I could go on and on.
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Shipwrecked, you know, night andday in the sea, perilous rivers,
robbers, foreigners. I mean hewent through it and yet he was
in faith during all that time.He was standing, believing,
pushing through the pain.Although when God spoke to him
and knocked him off the horse,God said, I'm gonna show you all
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the things that you're gonnahave to suffer for my name's
sake.
Jill LeBlanc (20:01):
Wow.
Charlie LeBlanc (20:01):
And you know, that wasn't like, you know, that
was just showing you that whenyou preach the Gospel, those who
preach the Gospel will bepersecuted, the Bible says. You
know?
Jill LeBlanc (20:09):
Isn't it interesting though that from the
get go, you know, when Jesusknocked Paul off his horse,
that's when the Lord showed himthat. Right?
Charlie LeBlanc (20:19):
Yeah. The Lord just showed him that.
Jill LeBlanc (20:20):
I mean-
Charlie LeBlanc (20:20):
You're a vessel for me and you're gonna preach
the gospel, but it, you're gonnaget persecuted. You're gonna
get, people things are gonnacome against you. The enemy is
gonna try to stop you in everyway possible. And you know,
Satan doesn't like us at all. Hehates us and he wants to destroy
us.
And he came after our life, ourministry, our son's life, our
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two daughters' life, to destroyus with this cancer with our
son. And it broke us to no endwhen Beau didn't make it. But
one of the other things that werecognized early is that the
enemy was not wanting to stopthere with Beau, but he was
gonna try to destroy ourmarriage and he was gonna try to
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destroy our kids as well. And wejust refused to let him.
You know, Jesus turned to Peterand he said, Peter, Satan has
desired to sift you as wheat,but I have prayed that your
faith fail not. That is soimportant that we stand, we keep
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trusting as best we can. Wekeep, you know, seeking God with
all of our heart. Again, there'sa time, at first, Jill and I,
our hearts were shut down toGod. We were just like, God, I
don't understand this. We don'twanna talk to you. You know?
Jill LeBlanc (21:41):
Well, I I just quit talking altogether. I
didn't even say things likethat. I just I just treated him
like he didn't even existbecause I'm like, everything was
on the line and it failed.
Charlie LeBlanc (21:56):
Yeah, when you're in pain like that, know,
even when someone tries to helpyou, like a dog when the dog's
hurt, you you wanna go try tohelp him and he will bite you if
you go near him. You know, whenyou're in that kind of pain,
you're hurting and it's hard.And it's hard for friends even
to know how to minister to you.That's why the old preacher said
show up and shut up sometimes,But it's just kinda like a
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situation where people have tobe patient with you and you have
to be patient with yourself andjust breathe.
Just take a breath, cry all youwant. Here, and I'm now starting
to preach on what to do when youhave lost, which we're gonna be
touching a lot on that two weeksahead of, we have a whole book
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worth of stuff and more thatwe've learned since we've
written the book. But yeah,Jesus loves us and so many
things just don't make sense inthis life. So many tragedies we
heard on the news today thatthere was a shooting in
Tallahassee, Florida. We live inFlorida.
And it broke our hearts. Twopeople were killed, many others
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injured. Twenty year old wentcrazy and started shooting
people. I mean, I just, the thepain of the losses that we hear
every single day is nonstop. Ourhearts just go out, but we don't
understand it.
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But I'll just say this, we livein a fallen world and this world
is corrupt, it's full of pain,it's full of evil, it's full of
diseases.
Jill LeBlanc (23:43):
Super toxic now. Didn't used to be like that.
Charlie LeBlanc (23:46):
Right. And so, you know, God is not in control
of everything. I'm just gonnashoot that out there, contrary
to a lot of people's beliefs,but God is not in control of
everything. If he was in controlof everything, He would've never
let Adam and Eve, fall in thegarden. But anyway, we can go on
(24:07):
and on about-
Jill LeBlanc (24:07):
And all would be saved and come to knowledge of the truth.
Charlie LeBlanc (24:09):
and everything would be beautiful, yeah. But
the thing is man has his ownfree will and then there is an
enemy who roams about like aroaring lion seeking whom he may
devour and you know, be notignorant of his devices, the
Bible says. And Ephesians tellsus we don't wrestle against
flesh and blood but againstprincipalities and powers and
(24:32):
rulers of darkness and spiritualwickedness and high places.
There is an enemy out theredestroying human beings, just
trying to destroy life, tryingto destroy us. And we took a
stand on our marriage and wesaid we're not gonna let this
happen.
And we began to minister to eachother and pray and we did a lot
of safeguards which I think wetalked in the John Tesh
(24:53):
interview but we'll get intomore of that as we move along.
But you know, we just wanted tojust say that we understand the
pain of knowing that, you know,of not knowing, the pain of not
understanding. And we've beenthere and we still don't fully
understand but we've come to aplace of knowing that God is
(25:13):
true, his word is true, we wereable to come back to that truth,
to stand in faith with people,to believe God, to pray, to know
that Jesus is a healer, eventhough we didn't experience in
this situation, like we said, somany people have experienced
healing and we've evenexperienced healing.
Jill LeBlanc (25:33):
You can't deny the fact that the Lord still heals
today. Yeah. There's so manyhealings taking place and
miracles happening.
Charlie LeBlanc (25:41):
Absolutely.
Jill LeBlanc (25:42):
We can't deny the fact that God just doesn't heal
today.
Charlie LeBlanc (25:46):
Yeah. He does.
Jill LeBlanc (25:47):
I mean, we can't accept that.
We can't deny that He does heal.
Charlie LeBlanc (25:52):
He does heal. Yes. Exactly. And he is the
healer. Thank God for it.
Jill LeBlanc (25:57):
But, and I couldn't I couldn't go there for
a long time. Because I was like,I don't think so. Yeah. But but
God, in his tender mercy, hejust brought me along and it
was, He's so wonderful.Yeah, He is. He has a way of
reaching each one of us in ourdeepest deepest needs.
(26:20):
Yeah.
Charlie LeBlanc (26:20):
And you know, I couldn't even read the red
letters in the Bible for a whileso if you're in that position,
that's okay. Just know that Godloves you. That He's patient
with you. I had a biker tell me,he said, Charlie, God's big
enough to handle anything youwanna say to him.
I have some things I wanted tosay, but then he had some things
(26:41):
he wanted to say to me. He lovesyou and we're sorry about the
pain that maybe you'reexperiencing in your life. And
we do encourage you to bepatient with yourself, be
patient with this journey ofgrief, and just know that God is
going to help you get throughit. We do encourage you to get
our book, When Loss Comes Closeto Home. It does have a lot of
(27:06):
detail in here about this areaof faith and about so many other
things.
What did John Tesh call it? ASwiss army knife or something? I
don't know.
Jill LeBlanc (27:17):
For getting through grief.
Charlie LeBlanc (27:18):
Yeah. Forgetting through grief. And so
we do encourage you to to getthat, to get the book and, and
and stick with us in thispodcast.
Jill LeBlanc (27:28):
Yeah. And not only for those that are suffering
from a loss, but those that arealso walking beside someone that
is, you know, maybe your yourfriend or, someone in your
family is is walking through aspecial, really painful loss.
(27:48):
And you're at a loss on what tosay to them. We've got practical
things that you could put to useright now in your life in the
second half of this book.
Charlie LeBlanc (27:58):
Yes. Yes. So God bless you. Thank you for
being with us on this podcast.
We so appreciate it. There'sbuttons or whatever.
Jill LeBlanc (28:07):
Yeah. Give it give it a like, thumbs up down below.
We would really appreciate that.And share it with people that
you think would wanna hear whatwe've shared today. And
subscribe.
Charlie LeBlanc (28:21):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (28:21):
We'd love for you to just be a regular part of
this community.
Charlie LeBlanc (28:25):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (28:25):
And then select your notifications so that you
never miss an episode.
Charlie LeBlanc (28:30):
Yeah. And we wanna invite you to to join our
mailing list as well. We put outlittle emails talking about
these podcasts, talking aboutour travels, talking about other
things that God is speaking tous.
Jill LeBlanc (28:41):
There should be a link for that down below.
And it'sCharlieandJill.com/welcome.
Charlie LeBlanc (28:48):
Yes. And we believe that'll be a blessing to
you as well.
Jill LeBlanc (28:53):
And one last thing. We have a Spotify list
called Finding Hope. It's asong, it's a collection of songs
that will just minister to yourhearts.
Charlie LeBlanc (29:03):
Yeah.
Jill LeBlanc (29:03):
Songs, mostly songs the Lord gave us and a few
others that we've included butit will just touch you in a deep place.
So check out Spotify and is italso on YouTube?
Charlie LeBlanc (29:27):
Yes, it's on YouTube.
Jill LeBlanc (29:28):
Yeah. So check that out, the Finding Hope
playlist.
Charlie LeBlanc (29:32):
Okay, well again, thank you so much for
being with us. We sure love you.And feel free to email us, write
us questions, anything that wecan do to minister to you. We
love you. We're praying for you.
God bless you.
Jill LeBlanc (29:44):
God bless.
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