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March 1, 2025 29 mins

This episode takes an unflinching look at the state of freedom in America, highlighting pressing issues of bigotry and the necessity of mutual respect. We discuss the implications of Christian nationalism in our governance and contrast it with foundational American values.

• Navigating feelings of anxiety and unease 
• The conflict of bigotry and the pursuit of rights 
• Examining the rise of Christian nationalism in government 
• The importance of diversity and understanding in society 
• Unpacking love and its role in building better communities 
• How to create a future of mutual respect and acceptance 


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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everyone.
I'm Richard Ravenbrook.
Welcome back to another episodeof Finding Our Way Home.
You know, the last 30 days hasbeen a pretty rough one, hasn't
it?
It has been filled with anxietyand depression, with feelings

(00:23):
of uneasement to anger andfrustration.
It's not only are we goingthrough a change personally,
spiritually, not only is there ashift, but we have these

(00:48):
situations going on around theworld.
In our country, it seems likebigotry and racism.
We have states that areliterally removing people's
rights as we speak, removingpeople's rights as we speak,

(01:10):
forcing women, forcing them todo whatever they will with their
bodies.
We have governments that arereneging and backing out of
their treaties and deals,betraying one another, where

(01:31):
sometimes it feels, like rightnow, that we don't even know
where we're going.
We don't know where we'reheaded.
Everything, seemingly, haschanged, and not for the good.
But yet I see on social media,I see so many people still in

(01:54):
support of a man that I justcan't.
There are no words to say.
There's no words that canpossibly understand how people
can support what is happeningright now.
No religion, no opinions, no,anything can give any kind of

(02:25):
value, how you put that, anykind of power to their opinion,
any kind of substance because,especially here in the United
States, even our pledge saysfreedom to all, but we see that

(02:51):
that's not true.
We've seen it years ago witheveryone, from Native Americans
to our Afro-Americans, towhoever it may be, martin Luther
King Jr and his.
They had to march over and overand over and fight just to

(03:16):
receive their rights.
Now we have gay rights andtrans rights and and they too
are having to fight for theirbasic human rights in this
country, a country that haspromised and vowed from day one
to be.
That's what it was all about wasfreedom, freedom to choose,

(03:41):
freedom to live as you chose tolive, that no government would
tell you how you had to live,what religion that you had to be
and what you would do withinthis life of yours.
But look around.

(04:02):
That's not true.
That's not reality.
That's not reality in thiscountry and it hasn't been this
reality for years.
Trade.

(04:28):
We have been brainwashed tobelieve that we serve the best
country in the world and that wehave the only freedom in the
world.
But people that's not true,only people that have never been
anywhere else believe that.
Why do you think they removethings like citizenship and
classes like that from school,because they don't want you to

(04:49):
understand, just like thecurrent administration right now
is trying to make changes,thinking that the president has
the ultimate authority of whatand how to determine a law.
But don't we realize that wehave three branches of
government?
And no, our president doesn'thave the sole authority Of how a

(05:13):
law is interpreted or how aright is interpreted.
Our country has literally fallenapart.
Fallen apart not to a form ofsocialism that helps people, not
a form of even communism, butwe are falling under a

(05:40):
government of only rich whitemen that use terms like
Christianity to control thepeople.
It has nothing to do withreligion, it has nothing to do
with faith.
It has to do with control thesemen and Christian nationalism.

(06:03):
The only reason it do withcontrol these men in Christian
nationalism, the only reason itexists, is control, because it
controls women and it controlsall those that they don't
understand and they don't like,and it puts them away in a
little box where they don't haveto mess with them.
They don't talk about freedom,because the only place that they

(06:27):
have, or the only people thathave, freedom are the ones that
fit within their narrative, andthat is white, straight men and
women.
No one else fits in with thatcategory within Christian
nationalism.
But this is America, and menand women died to give us what

(06:54):
we have today, this freedom,this diversity that we have.
And what is it where people areso scared of what they don't
understand?
You know, our problems in thiscountry are not centered around
gay rights or trans rights oranybody's rights.

(07:16):
They're actually centeredaround those that want to strip
people of those rights, becausetherein is the problem.
We don't need to get rid of theones that are asking for rights
.
We need to get rid of the onesthat are trying to take the

(07:37):
rights.
We need to rid this countrycompletely and utterly of
bigotry and racism and anytheology, any ideology that
separates people on basis ofanything other than character

(08:07):
and how they live in society.
I mean, are they a good person?
Do they try their best to livein society at peace?
If so, why do we harass them?
Why do we try to hurt them?
Why do we try to strip thingsfrom them solely because we

(08:30):
don't understand?
Or a book that we don't evenknow the author to can't
guarantee who the author is thatwe know has had over 30,000
alterations was written by a gayman that wrote about demons and
witchcraft.
But we want to hold this bookabove all things and we want to

(08:54):
suppress the people using thatbook.
When your own Jesus said loveyour neighbor as I have loved
you, when your own Jesus saidlove your neighbor as I have
loved you, what does that mean?
It means, even though you arefull of mistakes, even though

(09:14):
you are not even close to whatwould be considered holy or
godly, I love you anyway.
But we can't seem to do that topeople, can we?
When we don't agree with them,well, we love them.
We just don't love them.

(09:35):
But that's not what Jesus said,was it?
The Old Testament God and theNew Testament God are two
entirely different gods, andI'll tell you that right here
and now.
And people will argue that fact.
But if you look it up in yourresearch, a lot of people will
back it up Because it justdoesn't fit.

(09:57):
Have you ever noticed how theOld Testament God is full of
wrath and jealousy and anger,but the New Testament is
completely the opposite.
It talks about what is love,but yet jealousy doesn't fit in

(10:19):
with that.
You know we have a problem withpeople.
How do we want to say this andyou want to.
You know you want to try to beat peace with all people.
You want to create a systemthat honors all belief and all

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religions and traditions, toallow people to be who they are,
because we all came fromdifferent places, we all had
different cultures, and we needto honor that, we need to
appreciate that, we need torespect that and the fact that
we've all come together in thisone country under one roof.
Basically, and the fact thatwe've all come together in this

(11:07):
one country under one roof,basically, we have to find a way
to live in harmony with eachother, and the only way we can
do that is a mutual respect ofeach other, though we
automatically understand thatwe're different.
We automatically understandthat our beliefs may not
coincide or align with otherpeople's beliefs, but they don't

(11:28):
have to be.
They don't need to be If werespect each other.
You know, if we know that whatwe do offends someone, then why
do we do it in public?
Because we want to offend themor because we don't care if it
offends them?

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Where do we go as a people whenwe begin to understand that we
don't want to offend anybody andthat's not in a weak sense, but
in an honorable sense, becausethen we'll get to the point to
where we're all living togetherin harmony, working together in

(12:13):
harmony, understanding ourdifferences but not letting our
differences separate us, becausewe're not pushing each other's
ideas and theologies andtraditions on each other, we're
not ridiculing each other andtelling each other that I'm
right and you're wrong, butrather we simply let be and let

(12:39):
the gods handle the rest.
Just as Jesus said, love thyneighbor as thyself.
How simple is that?
I don't care what religion youare.
If you believe that that manexisted at one time or another
and you believe that statementis true, then, regardless of

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whether you're a pagan, a witch,a Muslim or Hindu, whoever you
are, if you believe that,following that phrase, that
sentence, love thy neighbor asGod loves you.
How simple that is.

(13:22):
Do unto others as you wouldhave them do unto you.
You want freedom, don't you?
You want the ability to choose,don't you?
You want to live your life.
You want to be able to liveyour life without ridicule,

(13:43):
without persecution, withouthate, without having to defend
yourself or defend your beliefs.
You just want to live and be inharmony with each other, with,
with your neighbors, with youryou know, your, your employees

(14:03):
at your co-workers, yourgovernment officials.
But we've got so many peopletrying to play God, especially
right now, christiannationalists trying to push our
radical Christian agenda in ourschools, like they have for

(14:23):
centuries all over this world,when they came through and swept
through and mass slaughteredmillions, brainwashing people
into believing that there wasonly one way to this so-called
heaven.
And that's absolutely not true.
You know, christianity didn'tget where it is because of its

(14:56):
theology.
It got to where it is due toviolence and murder and
oppression.
Even here in the United States,christianity wants to claim
that it is persecuted, but thevery evidence of how many

(15:17):
churches you'll find in everytown and how many others that
you will not Other religions Forthe most persecuted religion,
the evidence doesn't show that.
The evidence shows the directopposite of that.

(15:39):
It shows that Christianity isthe least persecuted and the
most tailored to they don't haveto pay taxes A billion dollar
business corporations thatabsolutely get through without

(16:02):
assisting its own country withinit, but yet wants to invade our
laws with its beliefs, wants toinvade our laws with its
beliefs, wants to invade it, anda majority of what they speak
about is irreverent and untrue,comes from mistranslated and

(16:23):
misunderstood scriptures, andit's sad.
I come from ministry Before Ideconstructed and became what I
call the pagan preacher, whichis simply a man that understands
scripture but also has a heartfor Mother Earth and of various

(16:49):
magical practices.
I'm an ominist.
I understand that there istruth in more than one thing,
that there is truth in manythings, and if we look and we
seek we can find them.
A lot of people see the paganpreacher as a contradiction, but
it's actually the very opposite.

(17:11):
It is the perfect mix ofspiritual truth, because I know
that there's some truth withinthe book we call the Holy Bible,
but I also know that there'smany mistranslations and many

(17:33):
stories that have been taken outof context.
I also understand the truthwithin Hinduism, within Muslim
or Islamic, the Buddhist.
I can understand the truth inmany philosophies, and that's
where we need to go as a world,as a country.

(17:56):
We need to stop pushing oneideology, one theology,
especially one that has donenothing but destroy this world.
Look around us, look around atall the countries that what they
once were, before they becameChristianized, all of us were

(18:18):
pagan.
All of us served our own godsor we served God in our own way,
in our own fashion.
Even our Native Americans hadthe great white spirit, but they
believed in that.
Everything had a spirit.
All life has spirit.
We all come from somewheredifferent and we are different.

(18:44):
We all have genetic markerswithin us, our races, and within
those races we all haddifferent cultures and different
gods Living in different places.
Take a moment and just thinkabout what I just said.

(19:06):
How many people have betrayedtheir own cultures?
About what I just said how manypeople have betrayed their own
cultures, have betrayed theirown traditions and accepted the
religion of the oppressors thatwe accepted, the religion of
those that murdered andslaughtered our for a God of

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love People?
We've all been lied to.
If you take anything from thispodcast today, it's right now.
Is we see it in the White House?
We've got a Christian taskforce that wants to pray over
the president.
We want to put Christianityback in schools and prayer back

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in schools.
We want to hand out Bibles andwe want to do Christianity back
in schools and prayer back inschools.
We want to hand out Bibles andwe want to do all these
different things and we want toban abortion completely and we
want to tell women what they cando and what they can't do and
we want to do.
We just want to put things allthe way back to where it was,
back in the 1800s, where it'sjust white men that have the
power, right?
No, we won't go back back in the1800s, where it's just white

(20:10):
men that have the power, right?
No, we won't go back.
We won't go back to that stoneage mentality of ignorance.
Those of us that want to moveforward in enlightenment know
that we can't go back there,that all that is done in within

(20:35):
this world is destroyed,cultures destroyed, traditions,
destroyed, lives, destroyed,entire countries.
It's time to get back to ourown roots, your roots, their
roots.
Get back to your roots, to whoyou are, know who you are and be

(21:03):
determined within this countrythat we're not going to settle
with that.
Going back to one religion,because this country says that
we won't be based upon onereligion, but that we will be
based upon the freedom ofreligion, that all people have

(21:27):
the right to believe or notbelieve as they choose.
And that's what we demand andthat's what we stand on.
We stand on honoring ourpromises.
We stand on honoring ourtreaties and our agreements.
We do not betray those thatwe've proved, that we have

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promised to protect.
If we vowed to protect you, wewill protect you to our last
breath.
That is a true American.
In this country, I see thatwe've lost that.

(22:12):
We've lost what it means to beAmerican, because you can't be
left or you can't be right to bean American, because to be left
or right means that you want tohinder the other side, and
freedom comes without hindrance.
See, the only way you can be atrue American is to be

(22:36):
bipartisan and agree to disagreethat we all have different
thoughts and ideas, but our lawswill be based upon a neutrality
and a balance of what is rightand wrong for all people, that
we all have rights given to usby our creator, whether that be

(22:59):
one creator, two creators ormany creators.
We all have that right to liveas we choose and to believe as
we choose, and we will acceptnothing less.
The united states of america isabout freedom, the freedom to

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choose.
We will not accept a governmenttelling women what to do with
their bodies.
We will not accept a religiontrying to tell women what is
right and wrong with theirbodies.
We won't accept any religiontelling us what is right and
wrong within our own lives.

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We don't care if you believethat gay rights are wrong or if
trans rights are wrong.
You can keep your religionwithin the four walls of your
church or may it be closed downentirely.
If you cannot respect themasses within this country and

(24:04):
respect the differences withinthis country, then we don't want
you in this country anymore.
We want people that understandthe word love, truly understand
that word, truly understand thatit what it means to walk beside
somebody.

(24:24):
And I'm not telling you thatyou have to agree with what
everybody does, but what youagree on Is the right Of
everyone to choose forthemselves.
That's it.
Everyone has the right tochoose For themselves, and if

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you don't believe that, you'renot an American and you don't
believe that You're not anAmerican and you don't belong
here, go somewhere else.
That forces theology, forcesone religion upon people, if
that's what you choose, butthat's not America.
Now I understand this podcast isit's supposed to be about

(25:05):
spirituality, but this isspiritual Because this is a
spiritual war.
This is a war because all of us, even myself, that have
deconstructed Christianity andits evil roots, of what it's
become, and I see it trying togo back to that, and I see many

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people's lives in jeopardy notjust rights, but lives in
jeopardy.
We have to stop it.
This administration must beremoved or stopped in some way,
some shape or form.
It has to stop these Christiannationalists.

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We don't want them in ourgovernment.
We'd like to not have them atall.
But remember, we're America andthey have the right to believe
what it is they believe.
But we don't want them in ourgovernment, and our own
constitution says that that wewill make no laws based upon one

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religion.
It will understand thatreligion does not belong in
schools, it does not belong inpolitics.
It belongs separate from thisworld, just like your own Bible

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says to be separate from thisworld.
So many of you Christians haveone foot in the world and one
foot in your church and don'tknow where you want to go.
You want to play God.
You want to tell people how tolive and how to do things,
because you think that God justcan't do it himself.
I guess you want to telleverybody that God's in control,

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but for some reason or another,he needs you to intervene.
Guess what he doesn't need youat all.
What God needs us to do issimply to shut up, simply to let
people live.
Look in your mirror.
Focus on yourself.

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Focus on your own life, yourown salvation, your own morality
, your own mortality.
Focus on you and whatever thatmay be.
Just focus on you and let yourneighbors focus on them.

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But then we come together.
We understand that some thingsare in common interest.
Well, we all want to eat.
Well, we all want to beeducated.
Well, we all want to be able tobreathe clean air and drink
clean water.

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These are things that we can dotogether.
Whether you're a straight manor a trans man, or a gay man or
a black man or a Chinese man, itmatters not.
Let us gain some enlightenment.

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Let us understand love for whatit is.
Let us bring back the realAmerica.
Be blessed everybody, andblessed be.
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