November 3, 2025 • 46 mins
Have you ever walked into a room and immediately felt overwhelmed by emotions that weren't even yours? Or caught glimpses of things out of the corner of your eye that disappeared when you looked directly? If you're nodding along, this episode is going to be a game-changer for you.
Join us as we sit down with Marie Bursch, licensed pastor and founder of Vibrant Life Consulting, who shares her incredible journey of discovering and embracing her spiritual gifts as a "feeler" and "seer." What she once saw as being "too sensitive" became her greatest strength in connecting with God and serving others.
In this powerful conversation, you'll discover:
- How to tell the difference between your emotions and someone else's
- Why children with these gifts often become the "canaries in the cage" for their families
- Practical strategies for managing overwhelming spiritual sensitivity
- The biblical foundation for seer and feeler gifts
- How to protect yourself in spiritually intense environments
Marie's story will resonate deeply if you've ever felt misunderstood for your sensitivity or dismissed for experiences others couldn't relate to. She transforms the narrative from "there's something wrong with me" to "I have a gift that God wants to use."
Whether you're a parent recognizing these gifts in your child, or someone who's spent years trying to "turn down" your spiritual sensitivity, this episode offers hope, practical tools, and the encouragement to step into who God created you to be.
Don't let the enemy silence your spiritual radar—the world needs your gift now more than ever.
Connect with Marie at https://www.vibrantlifeconsulting.com/
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SPEAKER_01 (00:02):
So, welcome back to the podcast.
I'm super excited to have mydear friend Marie Birsch.
Marie Birsch, I have to rememberto say it that way because she
is freshly married, which isvery exciting.
We might talk about that today.
Uh, and Marie is the founder andowner of Vibrant Life
Consultings.
She's a licensed pastor, a brainsparring practitioner, and she
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helps her and clients experiencelike the full love of Jesus,
which is my absolute favoritething about her, is that she
just is always connecting peopleback to the Lord.
And it's just so good.
So I am so excited to have youhere today, Marie.
So welcome.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (00:40):
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm excited.
SPEAKER_01 (00:43):
Yes.
The Lord has brought our livestogether over the last few
years.
And there's just like thisincredible synergy that has
happened.
And there's so much overlap inwhat we do, but there's so much
beauty in it because we eachhave our strengths within it.
And I just love it.
Uh, but today we're going totalk about some specific gifts
that you carry.
(01:03):
Um, and the Lord has justdownloaded just amazing insight
into uh your feeler gift andyour seeer gift.
So why don't you just talk aboutthat like from the beginning?
Like when did you first knowthat maybe you carried something
that other people didn't have?
SPEAKER_00 (01:18):
Yeah.
I mean, as a kid, I just knew Iwas really sensitive.
And yeah, sometimes that wasseen as positive, but a lot of
times as a kid, you hear thenegative of like, oh, you're too
sensitive, you know.
And so I I think I just saw itmore as a negative as a kid.
I remember kind of probably likehigh school, college going
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through a season where I triedto become less sensitive.
I tried to desensitize myselfbecause I I could hardly watch a
lot of movies or you know,things that other people could
watch.
I just I couldn't handle them.
Yeah, I'd get nightmares frommovies as a kid, you know,
things like that.
So I just had to be supercareful.
But then I also was sensitivephysically and emotionally as
(02:02):
um, well, I should say thephysical and emotional is what I
was aware of as a kid.
It wasn't till I was I was in aBible study with somebody, and
um she just kind of looked at meand said, You do realize that as
a sensitive person, you're notjust sensitive physically and
emotionally, but you'resensitive spiritually probably
too.
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And it it clicked for me.
And I I hadn't like put thattogether, that it all was part
of the same thing.
Um, I hated that I was sensitivephysically.
I had lots of allergies, I hadlots of health problems growing
up.
Um, but I was very sensitive uhspiritually.
I could hear the Lord veryeasily growing up.
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I had a lot of you knowsituations like that where I I
just knew that I heard the Lordtalking to me in my spirit and
and through circumstances, yeah.
And so I loved that aboutmyself.
And so that I think started thisjourney of like, okay, maybe
this isn't all bad.
SPEAKER_01 (03:01):
Shifting it a little bit.
SPEAKER_00 (03:03):
Yeah, like, oh, I like that about myself.
And if you know, if this means Ihave that, maybe I could accept
it.
Sure.
Um so I was aware of being afeeler first.
Yeah.
Um, and I was not aware to thelevel that I felt other people's
emotions until I got older and Istarted being around more people
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that were kind of aware ofspiritual things, aware of the
gifts of the spirit, things likethat.
SPEAKER_01 (03:32):
At what point did you realize it was like your
theirs instead of yours?
Like how did you make thatconnection?
SPEAKER_00 (03:39):
Gosh, I feel like it happened so gradually.
Um, it might not have been untilI went to Dare to Believe and
started getting more training.
I remember hearing DonnaDeSilva's shifting atmospheres
talk was life-changing for me.
Yeah.
I was listening to it in my caras I was driving somewhere.
(03:59):
And I literally just was havingflashback after flashback after
flashback of my life as she wastalking.
And I was like, oh my gosh,that's what that was.
That's what that was.
That's what that was.
That's so good.
I was like, oh my gosh, itwasn't mine.
Like, I just I felt likesomebody I just bowled me over.
And I went, my whole life makesmore sense right now.
SPEAKER_01 (04:19):
Yeah, I guess I had to relate to that.
SPEAKER_00 (04:22):
I had had some very weird experiences that I didn't
talk to anybody about because Idid not know what to do with
them.
Yeah.
And I was like, people willthink I'm nuts if I share this.
Yeah.
You know, and so then I thinkaround that I got curious.
And here, I'll show you.
This is what happens when I getcurious.
SPEAKER_01 (04:45):
She's got this stack of books, which I can totally
relate to.
My whole office is covered instacks.
SPEAKER_00 (04:51):
Yeah, I was like trying to figure myself out.
Now I understood it maybe had aname, you know, or of a gifting,
like being a feeler, being aseer.
And again, I only thought I wasa feeler, but I also was
learning about this gift calledbeing a seer.
And I was I read the book TheVeil.
That was kind of the startingpoint.
(05:12):
Yeah.
Um, and it fascinated me.
Um, partly I feel like seers,um, even if you're not a seer,
seers are so valuable to learnabout because they show us the
spiritual world in a way, likethey show the reality of the
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spiritual world by describingwhat they're seeing.
Yeah.
And for those of us where mostof the spiritual world is very
veiled to us, yes, it makes itso real.
And so it made God come alive,it made prayer come alive, it
made spiritual warfare comealive.
And I was just like, this is soreal, you know, and it empowers
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your prayer life, it empowershow you think about God and all
these different concepts inChristianity, I feel like.
And so I kept reading BlakeHealy's books.
He's the one that wrote TheVeil.
And later on in the series, hetalked about doing workshops and
helping people understand likehow to use the gift.
(06:14):
Yeah.
And as he described differentways that different people
picked up on it, all of a suddenI realized, like, oh, I think
I'm a seer too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because I thought you had to seewith your physical eyes, right?
Like see to be a seer.
And I usually see it in myimagination or in my mind's eye,
we call it like where your eyesare open and you're seeing
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something that you know, likeyou're seeing it in your
imagination.
Yes.
You're not seeing it in the realworld, but you're seeing it.
SPEAKER_01 (06:44):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (06:45):
In your imagination with your eyes open.
SPEAKER_01 (06:47):
It's almost like a flash of a movie screen.
Um, yeah.
Or at least that's how I see it.
SPEAKER_00 (06:53):
It's like seeing a picture from your imagination
with your eyes open in the realworld.
So good.
So you know you're not seeingit, but you're seeing it.
SPEAKER_01 (07:01):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (07:02):
I don't know how it's hard to put words to these
things.
SPEAKER_01 (07:04):
So when you have it, you're all of a sudden
realizing, oh wow, I I've hadthat too, right?
But it's fast.
SPEAKER_00 (07:13):
I just thought I had a really vivid imagination
growing up and I would dismissmost of it.
Yeah.
And just be like, oh, that wasinteresting, or why am I
thinking about this right now?
Right.
You know?
Um, but as I started to um likethink about the possibility that
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maybe I had this gift thing, Istarted to be like, okay, I'm
just gonna not dismiss thesethings and go with them and see
what happens.
Oh, that's and I startedrealizing I was seeing spiritual
things and um and that it wassuper helpful information.
SPEAKER_01 (07:50):
Yeah, what's the craziest thing you've seen?
SPEAKER_00 (07:53):
Oh, geez.
Well, let me say this first.
Let me say this first.
Is I did not want to talk aboutthis topic when the Lord for
like I was reading all thesebooks to learn about myself.
I was not necessarily sharing itwith a lot of people unless I
found out that they were too.
Then I would talk openly withthem about it.
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And then the Lord was like, Iwant you to teach on this.
I was like, How about no?
Like, I don't want to be thatweird person in Christianity,
you know.
And but you know, I never winthose arguments with the Lord.
Well, we never do, do we?
Um so I was like, okay, so Istarted teaching on it, and what
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I was amazed at how many peoplecame out of the woodwork of
having these giftings, right?
And what I saw is oh my gosh, weneed to talk about this in the
body of Christ.
SPEAKER_01 (08:46):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (08:47):
And what I started to realize as I talked to more
and more of them is like theseare the watchmen on the wall.
Like the seer and feelergiftings are the the radar of of
the Christian community wherethey can be like, hey, there's
something evil coming, we shouldpray.
SPEAKER_01 (09:06):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (09:07):
Right.
Um, there's something happening,we need to cover this, right?
Or God's doing something, weshould move with this, right?
Yes.
And so the enemy always loves togo under the radar.
And so if you can like thinkwar, if you can knock out the
radar, you can go under theradar, nobody knows you're
coming and a sneak attack.
(09:28):
Yes.
And so what does he do withseers and feelers is he tries to
knock out the gifting.
SPEAKER_01 (09:34):
And so either that's by it's by getting you to think
it's a curse, by getting you tothink it's bad, or getting
people to which a lot ofchurches, quite frankly, are
mimicking that sentiment.
SPEAKER_00 (09:48):
Yeah, like a lot of churches don't understand it,
they think it's demonic, theythink it's all, they relegate it
all to New Age, yep, and theythink that um you only see that
if you've opened up a door tothe demonic.
And that's not true.
Right.
It's a gifting from the Lord,it's talked about in the old
testament.
(10:08):
Um, I like to read a coupleverses because it really a lot
of times people only rememberthe seer that was like a medium
that was talked about in theBible.
That's not what we're talkingabout.
Um Samuel 9 9 says, Formally inIsrael, when a man went to
inquire of God, he used to say,Come and let us go to the seer,
for he who is called a prophetnow is formally called a seer.
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And then Chronicles 29, 29 says,Now the acts of King David from
first to last are written in thechronicles of Samuel the Seer,
in the chronicles of Nathan theprophet, and in the chronicles
of Gad the Seer.
Which is interesting becausethose three people all had kind
of the same function.
unknown (10:49):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:49):
But one's called a prophet and two are called
seers.
Right.
And my guess is it's because ofhow they picked up the
information that came to them.
SPEAKER_01 (10:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:57):
Two of them probably saw it visually, one of them
probably just got it morethrough hearing words or inner
knowing from the Lord.
And so just recognizing thatit's it's biblical, you know?
Yeah.
It's how people pick upinformation from the Lord.
Some people pick it up this way,some people don't.
(11:18):
And I also look at it as each ofthese giftings is a continuum.
You're gonna have people thatare really low feelers, people
that are really high feelers.
They feel everything.
You're gonna have people thatsee very little, and you're
gonna have people that see umwhat I call high-level seers,
like um Blake Healy, where heblatantly sees it all the time
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angels, demons, the whole nineyards, right?
Um and you're gonna landsomewhere on that spectrum.
And I kind of think everybodyprobably has a little bit of
both, but some, like I said, arereally, really low, some are
really, really high.
SPEAKER_01 (11:56):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think we can easily shutit down to like for me, I know
growing up, like I would see andknow things, and and that was
like shut down so quicklybecause it was just believed in
my family that that wasn't fromthe Lord.
Um, and so for me, I I felt likeit was a bad thing, and so I
just kind of turned it off andand didn't pick it back up again
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until you know the last handfulof years.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (12:23):
So I think for feelers, a lot of time what
happens is they get overwhelmedby the amount of emotional
information and spiritualinformation that's coming at
them.
This was me.
I did not understand that itwasn't all mine.
I thought it was, so I justthought I was this emotional
mess.
And I didn't know what to dowith all this information.
(12:43):
I definitely couldn'tcommunicate it all as a kid.
Um, I just knew I feltdiscombobulated a lot of the
times.
And so you start stuffing it inyour body.
Yes.
And I started having all thesechronic health issues.
Yep.
So I kind of have a runninghypothesis that a lot of
chronically ill people arefeelers that don't understand
their gifting and don't know howto be healthy enough.
SPEAKER_01 (13:04):
I would agree with that.
Wholeheartedly.
SPEAKER_00 (13:06):
And sears, what often happens is they often get
attacked as children withnightmares or having visitations
from demonic or scary stuff, youknow, in their bedroom at night.
And they may or may not tell theadults in their lives what's
going on because they don't knowhow to communicate it.
Yeah.
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Um, and it's too much and itoverwhelms them, and then they
shut it down.
SPEAKER_01 (13:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (13:32):
And so I've met a lot of seers who shut the gift
down early in their life andwanted nothing to do with it
because all they saw was scarystuff.
And that's what happened toBlake Healy, is he was getting
kind of tormented by seeing allthese things and didn't know
what to do with it.
And for him, it wasn't until hewent to a church that started
talking about the gifts of thespirit, and he just had this
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like divine connection moment,and he went, Oh, wait, I think
this is a gift.
And like within a week, itswitched for him.
Where he started to see more ofthe good than the bad because he
started to realize it was a giftand not a curse.
Yeah.
And he started to talk about itwith the adults in his life, and
so then they were able to helplike disciple him in it.
(14:15):
Yeah, that's because thankfullythey believed him.
Right.
But a lot of people are notbelieved.
They're just, oh, you're crazyor you're making stuff up, or
and they learn very quickly notto talk about it.
SPEAKER_01 (14:28):
Yeah, because it's not safe, which or which again
is a strategy of the enemy.
SPEAKER_00 (14:33):
Yeah, it's a strategy of the enemy to shut it
down.
SPEAKER_01 (14:36):
Yeah, of course.
Of course, because if we can seethings coming, feel things
coming, shift atmospheres.
So let's talk about.
So I know this was a problemwith me when I was a kid, is
that I felt everything.
And I didn't understand.
I wasn't raised in a home whereeven really Jesus was talked
about.
So uh knowing that this was agift, I just thought I was told
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my whole life I was toosensitive.
And I, of course, saw it as thishuge burden.
I'm gonna I would walk into aroom and I'd be like, I don't
want to be here, I need toleave.
Um, and you know, everyonearound me, even into adulthood,
be like, what is wrong with you?
Like, just get get over it.
There's nothing here, there'snothing wrong.
But I could feel all the thingsin the atmosphere, right?
(15:19):
And I know you've experiencedthings like this.
So talk about how you made thatshift.
I know part of it was juststarting to see it as a blessing
instead of instead of thisweight.
Um, what else what otherstrategies could you give for
somebody that's listening tothis and is like, oh my
goodness, that's me.
SPEAKER_00 (15:35):
Right.
So I think one of the firstthings I learned um was asking
the question, is it to Jesus, isit mine?
Yeah.
So I would feel something.
Um, and the check yourself atthe door is a really important
concept.
Notice how you feel when youleave your atmosphere in the
morning.
Do you feel good?
I feel rested, or I'm feelingcranky, I'm feeling tired, you
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know, just kind of like knowyourself and being aware of
where you're at before you stepinto other people's atmospheres
is really important.
Um, because then when there's asudden shift, like, oh, I'm
feeling pretty good thismorning, I feel rested.
I walk into work or wherever,and all of a sudden I'm angry.
(16:20):
I wasn't angry five minutes ago.
If I can recognize where I'm atenough, then when I have this
sudden shift, I can go, wait asecond, I wasn't feeling that
way five minutes ago.
This probably isn't mine.
SPEAKER_02 (16:31):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (16:32):
You know, and then I can ask, especially if nothing
has shifted.
Like I'm nobody's done anythingto me for me to be suddenly
ragefully angry.
Right.
You know, yeah.
I used to just think, well, theemotions happening in my body,
it must be mine.
And so then I would just try toattach it to something in my
life so I didn't feel crazy.
I know.
SPEAKER_01 (16:51):
And I asked the question, what is wrong with me
all the time when I was like allthe time?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:56):
And I'd be like, ah, I'm not, what am I angry at?
It must be you.
You're in front of, you know,like I would just attach to
stuff, and you know.
Um, one time I was with myhusband in the car and we were
just sitting at a stoplight, andall of a sudden I burst out
crying.
And he's like, What's wrong?
And I'm like, at first I'mthinking, I don't know, but then
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I attached to something in mylife that was going on that made
some sense to me.
Yeah.
But like 30 seconds later, afuneral procession went through
the light in front of us.
And we just went, oh, okay.
That makes more sense.
You know, I felt like this waveof grief coming down the street.
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So um I think before I wouldhave just dismissed that.
Sure.
I wouldn't have even connectedit.
SPEAKER_01 (17:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:46):
You know.
So check yourself at the door.
Um, notice when there's suddenshifts, especially if there's
nothing, literally nothingthat's happened in your life
that should have created thatshift.
Right.
Suddenly you feel depressed,suddenly you feel grief.
Um and I would just ask, startasking the Lord, Jesus, is this
mine?
Yeah.
And see what he said.
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And it if he said, No, it's notyours, then I would ask, Okay,
whose is it?
And I'd say about 80% of thetime he'd tell me.
Um, maybe 20% of the time Ididn't need to know.
Um, and then I'd ask him, Whatdo you want me to do with this
information?
Most of the time, he just wantedme to pray.
Right.
It was an intercession thing.
(18:28):
He wanted me to pray for thatperson.
Um, you do not have to be in thepresence of that person to feel
their stuff.
Yeah.
I have felt people's stuff thatwere on the other side of the
continent.
Yeah.
Yeah.
From me.
Okay.
So um I would pray for them, andI would say the vast majority of
the time, 30 seconds or less ofpraying for that person, and I
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would feel that emotion orburden or whatever it was lift
off of me, and I was done.
SPEAKER_01 (18:55):
Yeah.
So good.
SPEAKER_00 (18:57):
Now, sometimes you'll have a burden that lasts
longer than that, excuse me,where you feel like you need to
pray longer or the burden juststays, or sometimes the burden
will keep coming back five, 10times a day.
But the Lord's just going, Hey,can you pray again?
Yeah.
Can you pray again?
And it'd be like 30 seconds orless.
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It would lift.
Um, this was great, except forthe times when I would forget to
ask, is it mine for like threedays?
And I would be in a funk forlike three days.
And then yeah, and I wouldforget, and then I would be
like, wait a minute, is thismine?
And the Lord would be socheerful.
Nope.
And I'm like, oh my gosh.
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And I'd pray for 30 seconds andlift.
I'm like, are you telling me Icould have done this three days
ago?
SPEAKER_01 (19:44):
But it's real though, because you're a human
being and you're learning to ina gift that is very confusing.
And quite frankly, I mean,besides your stack of books,
there, there's not a lot oftraining on this, right?
SPEAKER_00 (19:57):
The church isn't doing part, especially not in
mainline or evangelicalChristianity.
You know, it's just not talkedabout.
So um sometimes you just havewalked into a bubble of
something, is what I like tothink of.
I'm very visual.
So I have a bubble that's aroundme, and everybody has their own
atmosphere.
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Think about Pig Pen from the oldpeanuts cartoon, like he carried
this cloud, right?
Everybody kind of has theircloud of their emotions, their
spiritual stuff, you know.
Um, and you walk into it.
And so some people carry joy,which is super fun to walk into
somebody's bubble when they'rejoyful.
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Because all you just always feeljoyful in their presence, you
laugh a lot.
Other people carry depression,other people carry anger.
Even when they're not angry,they feel angry, you know, they
carry an atmosphere of anger.
Um, and so there's times whereI've walked into somebody else's
bubble and I start become likecoming under it.
(20:59):
Yeah.
And I start um doing thethermostat versus thermometer
thing.
So I start you start off being athermometer, everybody does.
A thermometer reads thetemperature and displays it to
you.
SPEAKER_01 (21:14):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (21:14):
Okay.
So I walk into somebody's bubblewho carries anger and sarcasm,
and all of a sudden, sarcasmstarts coming out of my mouth.
And I have cut that out of myvocabulary.
I don't usually talk that wayanymore.
Yeah.
And I'd be like, whoa, what ishappening?
And then I realize, like, oh, Ijust I'm around this person that
carries a lot of sarcasm.
So I have to step backemotionally, be like, okay,
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that's not mine, kind of push itout of my bubble and become
aware.
I can pray for them.
Um, but sometimes it's just, oh,that's not mine, and push it out
of your bubble.
It just got in your bubble andit's not yours.
So um other times what you cando is pray the positive
opposite.
And so uh let's say youencounter somebody with
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depression, you start to kind offeel it, and you can just be
like, Lord, just release joyover them, release peace over
them, release comfort, you know,whatever the Lord prompts you to
pray, that's the opposite.
Because the positive oppositecould be 10 different things
depending on the person and thesituation.
SPEAKER_01 (22:15):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (22:16):
For what they need.
But I call that likeanti-missile.
Like, you know, like they haveif there's planes flying and
there's a missile going afterit, they'll shoot stuff out of
the back of the plane to makethe missile blow up before it
hits them.
Yeah, that's what I see praying.
The positive opposite is itthrows the stuff out the back,
and what the enemy's trying toget on you just blows up and it
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doesn't hurt you.
SPEAKER_01 (22:41):
So good.
So what advice would you givefor someone that's maybe
listening to this and it'sresonating with them, but they
also have a child that they'rethey're seeing, oh my goodness,
I think my my son or daughtercarries some of this.
How do I disciple it throughthem through this when I'm
learning?
SPEAKER_00 (22:58):
Yeah, absolutely.
So children with this giftingare often what I call the
canaries in the cage.
So the canary in the cage, thatwhole saying came from minors
where they'd be deep down,they'd put a canary up in the
top of the room they were inbecause canaries sing
constantly.
And if the air started to go outof the room, the canary would be
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the first to die and fall overand stop singing.
They would hear that shift andhave time to get out of the
room, right?
So unfortunately, the feelersare your canaries in the cage,
they're gonna fall over first.
Okay, they're gonna get affectedby whatever's going on in the
atmosphere first, and they'regonna display it to you.
Yes.
Um, so with children, this oftenlooks like them freaking out or
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getting really sad, starting todisplay whatever is going on.
So, an example, I I've nannie'sfor like six different families.
Um, and I had this little boywho was very kind, very nice,
all of a sudden started sayingnegative things about my body to
me.
And I was like, Where is thiscoming from?
Like, is he learning it on theplayground?
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Like, what's happening?
So I was like correcting him,and um, I was talking to a
friend about it who is also afeelerseer, and she goes, Marie,
I think he's picking up on youratmosphere because you're having
some body image issues.
And I was like, Oh, you'reright.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
And he was reading it anddisplaying it to me.
So I did some work with the Lordand this friend, like doing some
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prayer around my issues anddealing with my insecurity.
He never said another word afterI dealt with my stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (24:30):
So powerful, man.
SPEAKER_00 (24:31):
Like it was just gone, you know, and um, and I
saw that happen many other timeswith kids where they just
display what's going on.
So watching for sudden changesin behavior or actions that are
not like their character.
I had another kid that um I wastalking to his mom and I had to
tell him no for something, andhe got mad and tried to like I
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out of the corner of my eye, Isaw that he tried to kick me,
which is not his character, wasnot his normal.
Sure.
And his mom saw it and was likemortified, and pulls him out of
the room.
And as she's pulling him out ofthe room, I was like, wait a
second, he was just around thisother kid who does carry that
and does act like that.
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And I was like, It's not his.
Like he she and I understoodthis stuff, and so I could talk
like that to her.
Yeah, you know, and so she justwent, Oh, you're right, and so
she kind of mildly told him,Don't do that.
But then she just prayed tobrush him off, like and brushing
off prayers as simple asanything not of the Lord and not
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of me, get off in Jesus' name.
Yes, and you know, fill me withthe Holy Spirit.
Yes, that's it.
I mean, there's page longbrushing off prayers out there,
but I like being succinct, so Ithink it works.
SPEAKER_01 (25:47):
Um feelers will feel that when they do that prayer,
they'll feel it lift off.
And so if that resonates withyou, do that prayer right now
because you will feel the shiftimmediately.
I'll never forget when I taughtmy kids how to do it, and
they're like, Oh, that feels somuch better.
SPEAKER_00 (26:05):
And yeah, you could feel and that's the thing is
with kids, they don't have ajunior Holy Spirit.
So teach them from a young agethat they have this gifting and
then teach them how to deal withit.
Yeah, like, hey, let's pray abrushing off prayer.
When they're little, you do themfor them, then you start to do
it with them, and then you startto encourage them to do it while
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you're in their presence, andthen eventually they start doing
it on their own.
SPEAKER_01 (26:30):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (26:30):
You know, because they understand, they feel the
difference.
The feelers, you know, feel it,the seers see it, they they see
that it works.
Right.
You don't have to convince them,you know, you just have to teach
them it's a gift.
Um, when they're really little,you can pray protective bubbles
around them in certainsituations.
Like if you know you're goinginto an intense situation and
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you have a kid who's a feeler,you can pray a protective bubble
around them, like Lord protectthem so they don't feel all the
intensity of this because theyknow it's gonna be a hard
situation.
SPEAKER_01 (27:00):
Yeah, that's really good.
What about teens that are likethey're past the little kids
stage?
Uh they're learning how to bethe adults, but they can't
always articulate or becommunicated to like adults yet.
They're kind of in that messyin-between stage.
Do you have any specific advicefor that age group?
SPEAKER_00 (27:16):
I think again, it's just talking about it.
Um, and probably when they'renot around other people because
they might be embarrassed bythat, you know, yeah, and they
don't want to be seen asdifferent.
But what helped me a lot wasjust talking with other people
who had these giftings andputting language to it.
Right.
Somebody else would say, Oh, Isee like this, and they would
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finally put words to somethingthat had happened to me, but I
had um brushed it off andignored it because I had no
language for it.
Right.
And so if you can give themlanguage, that's huge for them
being able to know what to dowith it, you know, because then
they'll connect with it becausethey're experiencing it, they
just don't know what the heck todo with it, you know.
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Um and so one of the things Iencourage feelers to understand
is um the Lord will use yourbody like uh like a whiteboard,
and he'll write stuff on it.
Okay.
And so you'll feel stuff in yourbody, physically, emotionally,
um, or even spiritually, as likepains in your body sometimes, or
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energy or um emotions, anger,sadness, grief, those different
things can come up.
And if you can think about itmetaphorically, because feelers
and seers will pick up on thingsvery metaphorically sometimes.
Yeah.
Like I'll be in a situation andall of a sudden my shoulders
start to hurt.
I didn't do anything to myshoulders, nothing has happened
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in the last five minutes that myshoulders should hurt, and I'll
suddenly have shooting painsometimes.
Like not always, but sometimesI'll have intense pain.
And I'm like, what is going on?
Right.
You know?
Yep.
And I started learning to payattention to it and learn that
it was the Lord communicatingsomething to me.
Now, again, sometimes it's mine,sometimes it's somebody else's
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in the room, right?
Or not in the room.
Um, but all of this you have tolearn and teach your kids how to
just start asking questions andgetting curious rather than
being scared by it.
I was scared by it before.
Like, oh no, why is my bodyhurting again for no reason?
SPEAKER_01 (29:24):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (29:25):
You know?
SPEAKER_01 (29:25):
Yeah, or what did I do wrong?
That was the question I alwaysasked.
What did I do now?
Like, mm-hmm.
unknown (29:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (29:32):
Yeah.
And so teaching people to havecuriosity.
Here's an example.
I went to the state fair with afriend, and we were like walking
into the fair.
We hadn't eaten anything, wehadn't done anything, and all of
a sudden I have a stomachache.
And I'm like, I didn't have astomachache five minutes ago, I
haven't eaten anything.
And so I got curious and Istarted looking around, like,
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where am I?
What's around me?
And I realized we were walkingright by the haunted house.
I was like, oh, that makes totalsense.
Just kind of pushed out of mybubble, prayed for the people in
there, and moved on.
Stomach ache went away.
Yeah, I love that.
So good.
So it's paying attention to whatis that body part for?
What does it do?
And learning to thinkmetaphorically.
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So the example of the shoulders,a lot of times it's carrying
burdens you're not supposed tobe carrying.
Okay.
We use that part of our body tocarry stuff.
So if it's mine, maybe I'mthinking about some
responsibility and taking it onthat I don't need to be taking
on.
And I just need to offload thatto the Lord and be like, oops,
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sorry.
I picked this up.
It's not really mine to carry.
I give it to you.
Yeah.
Or maybe somebody I'm in thepresence, like I work one-on-one
with clients.
So sometimes I start feelingstuff in my body that's the Lord
giving me clues of what's goingon with them.
Yeah.
Which is super fun.
Some sessions, the whole sessionis just me having body pains and
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then asking the Lord about itand going with it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, it's interesting.
So I might start feelingshoulder pain and then just
start asking them, like, hey,are you carrying any?
Let's ask the Lord if you'recarrying any burdens that you're
not supposed to be carrying.
And depending on where theclient's at with understanding
or having a grid for this, Imight tell them what I'm feeling
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or I might not.
And then just ask the questions.
They don't need to know why I'masking the questions.
SPEAKER_01 (31:21):
Experiencing, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (31:23):
Yeah.
If they don't have a grid forit, I don't need to go there.
SPEAKER_01 (31:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (31:27):
You know, I think that's the important thing for
feelers and seers too is you cancommunicate about this stuff no
matter the grid of the person infront of you.
You just might modify a littlebit what you're sharing and how
much.
SPEAKER_01 (31:39):
Yeah.
You know, that's so good.
And the Lord will give youwisdom to know when and what to
share as well.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (31:45):
A hundred percent.
SPEAKER_01 (31:46):
Yeah.
So, in terms of, so my whole, mywhole brand is learning how to
regulate our nervous system andjust really live in peace,
right?
So I know before I learned tocarry this gift, I did not have
any peace in my life.
I had not raised been raised ina home where there was any
peace.
And it became abundantly clearto me when I went to college,
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just getting out of thatatmosphere was massive for me.
But if somebody is a seer orfeeler and they don't know how
to carry it, um, talk about howlearning to carry it can just
help bring that level of peacemaybe that they haven't
experienced before.
SPEAKER_00 (32:22):
Yeah.
I think for one thing, whatcomes to my mind is when you
start to understand it's agifting, when you start to
understand not everything'syours, yes, um, there comes this
piece of like, oh, there's notsomething horribly wrong with
me, right?
Right.
There's actually a reason forwhy these things happen.
Um you have somebody you can goto, Jesus, to ask those
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questions of and get answers andget coaching and help.
Um, or come and get coaching.
I love to help coach people withthis, you know, um, that have
this gifting so they can have abetter understanding of how to
live with it and not have itcrush them, you know.
So good.
Because it it can be crushing.
And then you start to understandthe process of what I call
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sorting, which can beexhausting, let's be honest.
You're getting all thisinformation.
I say people with this giftingis like have a huge satellite on
their head and they're justconstantly getting all this
information, and you're kind ofconstantly having to be in this
place of sorting of like, oh,what was that?
Is it mine?
What do I do with that?
Do I need to pray?
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Oh, push that out of my bubble.
Like, there's this process thatwe you learn how to do that, um,
it does get simpler, it's notalways easy, let's put it that
way.
You start to understand what todo with it, how to offload it
when you walk out of difficultsituations, how to brush off.
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Because if you don't brush offand you just keep accumulating
all this stuff, it builds up andbuilds up into chronic illness,
into a nervous system that'slike completely hyper-vigilant.
Yes.
And you're just like, when's thenext thing gonna happen?
SPEAKER_02 (34:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (34:07):
And I see a lot of people with this gifting start
isolating.
Yes.
Because I didn't like mallsgrowing up.
I still don't like malls.
It's I think the reason now thatI understand myself better, it's
too many atmospheres alltogether.
SPEAKER_01 (34:21):
I feel the same way when I go into the city.
Like in downtown city, anydowntown, I I get overwhelmed by
it.
SPEAKER_00 (34:28):
So yeah, there's just so many atmospheres and
things happening, and it's justlike it's noisy, kind of.
Um, and so they'll they'll startto isolate because they just
they don't know what it is andthey don't know what to do with
it.
Now, if I walk into a situationlike that, I can kind of start
to pray a bubble over myself.
I can even ask the Lord to turnit down sometimes, like it's too
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much.
Can you just just crank it downin little notch?
Jesus, it's a little much rightnow.
Yeah, you know, sometimes hedoes, sometimes he doesn't.
But um it's it's it's learninghow to do those things and it
does help calm your body, justknowing you're not crazy will
calm your nervous system.
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Yes, right.
Yes, knowing there's a reasonfor this, um, knowing I don't
need to run to the doctorbecause I have this stabbing
pain in my in my ankle suddenly.
SPEAKER_01 (35:21):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (35:21):
Right.
That I didn't have five minutesago and I haven't done a single
thing to my foot.
Right.
And being able to ask the Lordquestions and then see that pain
lift because I worked through itwith the Lord, prayed for the
person I was supposed to prayfor, blah, blah, blah.
The pain lifts and it's gone.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
You you start to learn theseprocesses that help you.
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Does it always make it easy?
No.
Um, I like to compare peoplewith this gifting to a
seismograph.
It's that machine that can readthe aftershocks that are deep,
deep, deep in the earth's crust.
Yeah.
Yep.
Very, very sensitive machine fora very, very specific purpose.
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Okay.
If you try to use that machineto stop a tsunami, it's gonna
get destroyed.
Okay.
Because for a tsunami, you needlike a brick wall or cement, you
know, or steel, something likethat that's built for that
situation.
A seismograph's not built forthat.
So part of it is recognizingthat as a sensitive person,
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we're built to pick up on tinylittle nuances and things, which
means if something big and hugehappens, it's gonna be really
rough on us.
Yeah.
Okay.
And we're gonna need to havesome protection.
We're need gonna need to do alot of self-care to get through
that big thing.
SPEAKER_01 (36:45):
That's so good.
SPEAKER_00 (36:46):
Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_01 (36:48):
Yeah, so good.
If someone is wanting um maybesome more support or help in
this, what does that look likeif they come to work with you?
SPEAKER_00 (36:59):
Yeah.
Um, I love coaching people withthis, with these giftings.
Um, and it's funny because theLord brings them to me, whether
they know they are or whethereven I know they are.
They just kind of end up comingand I start realizing, like, oh,
you're a feeler, you're a seer.
Yeah.
Um, but some of it can behelping them work through things
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from the past, because a lot oftimes people need to forgive
people who judge them or thatwere critical of them, and
that's contributed to themshutting the gift down or not
talking about it and stuffingit.
Um dealing with pain or fearsfrom how the gifting impacted
them in the past when theydidn't understand or know what
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to do with it.
Right.
So working through some of thatstuff.
Some people just need somecoaching of like, I need to talk
to somebody about this thatisn't gonna think I'm nuts.
SPEAKER_01 (37:52):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (37:52):
And like they need a sounding board to be honest.
SPEAKER_01 (37:55):
Yeah, like a mentor.
SPEAKER_00 (37:56):
I can, yeah, I can be that person who's like, yeah,
you're not nuts.
Like, tell me what you've seen.
And then what can be helpful isjust by talking about it with
somebody else who also knowsHoly Spirit and who is checking
in can help you discern likewhat's going on in that
situation, or what is thisspecific thing that happened to
me.
(38:17):
I don't even know what questionsto ask.
So sometimes I'm just helpingthem figure out what questions
to ask the Lord and helping themfacilitate that sorting process
until they get better at it.
SPEAKER_01 (38:28):
That's really good.
I know when I've gone throughthings, I've reached out to you.
And because I'm such a highfeeler, sometimes we can be in
it so deep that we're nothearing clearly from the Lord.
And so I know that's one thingthat you've helped me do as well
is like, I just need somebodyelse that's a feeler to take a
third-party look at what'shappening here.
And that can be so powerfulbecause when we're in it, we
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forget all our tools, we're sooverwhelmed by the emotions of
it all that we're not hearing,thinking, seeing clearly.
Um, and to have another personthat's very sensitive to the
spirit like that in your in youratmosphere is really helpful.
So for me, I know that that'sbeen invaluable.
SPEAKER_00 (39:07):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
And um you asked me earlier whatare some of the things I've seen
or what does this look like?
Do you mind if I kind of coverthat a little bit?
Yeah, please do.
Um, is how it kind of startedfor me was seeing people, I
would think I was seeing peopleout of the corner of my eye,
like standing somewhere.
And I would look and there'snobody standing there.
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And I started talking to myfriends who were seers, and
like, what is that?
Um, and they would be like,Well, that's usually angels, and
that's how it starts.
You just start to think you seea guy out of the corner of your
eye.
An example of this thatconfirmed it for me is I used to
work downtown in a bad area oftown.
I'd had my car broken into, andever after that break-in, I
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prayed that God would put anangel by my car to protect it
while I was in work.
Yeah, love it.
And my friend who was a seer oneday when I was telling her this
whole thing I was seeing, shegoes, Oh, it was like the other
day I saw you get out of yourcar, and I thought I saw a guy
standing on the other side ofyour car.
And I looked again and there wasnobody there.
And when she said that, I justbusted out laughing because I
was like, You saw my car angel.
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Like for months I had beenpraying for this, you know, but
like I the Lord connected it inmy spirit immediately when she
said this.
Right.
I was like, awesome, I do have acar angel.
Love it.
Sometimes you pray for stuff,but you're like, does it happen?
You know?
Um, and it made sense when Iwould see it.
Like I would see it um at theyou know, the door of my
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classroom that I was teaching,you know, at Teen Challenge, or
um, I saw them in my kitchen, orI would see them standing around
my family, you know, um when wewere going through something di
a difficult time in our family.
So that was when on the negativeside, I would um I would think I
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see a bug crawling on the floor,and like a normal-sized bug, and
I'd look again, there's nothingthere.
And I started just assuming thatI that was the enemy.
Okay, because creepy crawlies,yeah, not something, you know,
spiders, not something youreally want.
And so I would just go, oh, Ishould probably pray.
So an example of this is Iwalked into a hotel room, I'm
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putting my stuff away, and allof a sudden I think I see a
normal sized spider on thefloor.
I look again, there's nothingthere.
And I went, Oh, I haven'tcleaned my hotel room yet.
Yeah.
So I was like, everybody out,this is my room for tonight, you
know, Holy Spirit, come and fillthis place.
And so it was a good reminder.
I did not feel I did not see itas a scary thing, right?
(41:40):
I saw it as good information.
Yeah.
Once we learn more authorityover it, fear doesn't need to
come in.
So when people are afraid ofthis, and I have people who like
I have this video on my YouTubeof helping feelers and seers
thrive in their gifting.
And some people well, oftenpeople will be like, I had to
pause it, it was too much.
Like they get scared evenlearning about this information.
(42:02):
Sure.
Because they're afraid oflearning about the demonic,
they're afraid of seeing thedemonic.
Um, and so what I've had tolearn is tell people is you need
to learn about your identity,you need to learn about your
authority, and you need to loseyour fear of the demonic.
Yes, not because you shouldn'tgo play in their playground.
100%, you should not go play inthe enemy's playground.
(42:25):
Okay.
You are not bigger than theenemy.
But you plus Jesus is alwaysbigger than the enemy.
Right.
So if we step outside of God'splan or God's protection and
we're messing with the demonic,bad, bad, bad, bad.
Don't do that.
Okay.
But if you're within God'sprotection, you're within what
He wants you to be doing, andyou're encountering the demonic,
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you always have authority, belike, get out of town.
Like, no, you don't get to be inmy life.
And once I and I had to gothrough those experiences of
getting over my fear of thedemonic and having the Lord
break that off of my life andbreak these lies off of my life
that the enemy was somehowbigger than God.
Right.
Um, and once I lost that fearand stepped into my full
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identity in the Lord, steppedinto my authority and what that
means, and that I can tell himto take a hike, then it's way,
way less scary.
When I see stuff, when I see thedemonic, um, it doesn't scare
me.
It's like it's just information.
SPEAKER_01 (43:28):
Right, right.
SPEAKER_00 (43:30):
And I know what to do with it because I know how to
handle spiritual warfare.
I've, you know, the Lord hastaught me those things.
And so I go into like more likewarrior mode.
SPEAKER_02 (43:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (43:40):
Of like, oh, I need to pray, I need to get
intercessors on this orwhatever.
I don't feel fear.
SPEAKER_01 (43:47):
I love it.
Love it.
That's so good.
Any last thoughts for anybodythat's listening to this?
Any suggestions of you know,maybe they're not ready to come
see you, but maybe they want toread about it.
Like I know you mentioned theone book, but you have a whole
stack there.
What are your favorites?
SPEAKER_00 (44:03):
Yeah, what I usually tell feelers to start with is um
the The Mystery of SpiritualSensitivity by Carol Brown.
And her second book is calledHighly Sensitive.
Uh just buy both of them, readthem.
It's super helpful.
Um, on the Seer side of things,by the veil, Blake Healy.
He has four books.
(44:24):
Just buy them all, just readthem all.
Um, they're super helpful.
If you're more heady and youlike to know all of the Greek
and Hebrew and you know thedeep, deep theological.
James Gall has a book called TheFeeler and a book called The
Seer, and he goes through all ofthat in great depth.
SPEAKER_01 (44:40):
Um that's to get biblical accuracy in case you're
wondering why somebody would dothat, because the originals are
written in Greek and Hebrew,yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (44:48):
Yes, yeah.
Um and Shifting Atmospheres byDonna DeSilva.
SPEAKER_01 (44:53):
Yeah, that was so good.
SPEAKER_00 (44:55):
Her her seat, like her audio of it that's on
YouTube, is super helpful, butthen the book would go into more
depth, you know.
Yeah.
So those are great startingpoints for people.
Um just learning about it helpstake away some of the fear too.
SPEAKER_01 (45:10):
So good.
And then where can people findyou if they want to reach out
and meet with you or find yourYouTube channel?
Where can they find you?
SPEAKER_00 (45:18):
Yeah.
So if they go to vibrantlifeconsulting.com, that's my
website.
Um, if they click on the booknow, they can book a free
15-minute consultation with meto ask any questions they might
have before booking.
They can find me on YouTubeunder Vibrant Life Consulting as
well.
Very good.
SPEAKER_01 (45:35):
Well, thank you so much for coming on today and
sharing all your knowledge.
I learned so much from you inthis topic.
Like, I'm just I'm grateful thatyou're talking about it because
we need uh seers and feelers tofully step into their gift and
stop watering them down orturning them down because, like
you said, they're the radar forwhat's going on in the world and
in the atmosphere, and we needthem.
SPEAKER_00 (45:56):
So well, and we if we don't talk about it and we
relegate it all to the demonic,we end up losing them to the new
age.
Yeah.
Because the new age goes, that'sa gift, we'll teach you how to
use it.
Right.
And then they start using it forthe wrong kingdom, right?
You know, yeah, and it's such astill gifting.
Yeah.
So we want him to use it forGod's kingdom and and for his
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good.
SPEAKER_01 (46:17):
Yes, so good.
So good.
Well, I will link all of thesethings in the show notes if
you're listening and you want tofind Marie or any of the books
that she recommended.
I'll have all those in the shownotes.
So thank you for joining ustoday, Marie, and thank you for
joining us.
Listeners, we'll see you nexttime.
SPEAKER_00 (46:33):
All right.
So, welcome back to the podcast.
I'm super excited to have mydear friend Marie Birsch.
Marie Birsch, I have to rememberto say it that way because she
is freshly married, which isvery exciting.
We might talk about that today.
Uh, and Marie is the founder andowner of Vibrant Life
Consultings.
She's a licensed pastor, a brainsparring practitioner, and she
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helps her and clients experiencelike the full love of Jesus,
which is my absolute favoritething about her, is that she
just is always connecting peopleback to the Lord.
And it's just so good.
So I am so excited to have youhere today, Marie.
So welcome.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (00:40):
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm excited.
SPEAKER_01 (00:43):
Yes.
The Lord has brought our livestogether over the last few
years.
And there's just like thisincredible synergy that has
happened.
And there's so much overlap inwhat we do, but there's so much
beauty in it because we eachhave our strengths within it.
And I just love it.
Uh, but today we're going totalk about some specific gifts
that you carry.
(01:03):
Um, and the Lord has justdownloaded just amazing insight
into uh your feeler gift andyour seeer gift.
So why don't you just talk aboutthat like from the beginning?
Like when did you first knowthat maybe you carried something
that other people didn't have?
SPEAKER_00 (01:18):
Yeah.
I mean, as a kid, I just knew Iwas really sensitive.
And yeah, sometimes that wasseen as positive, but a lot of
times as a kid, you hear thenegative of like, oh, you're too
sensitive, you know.
And so I I think I just saw itmore as a negative as a kid.
I remember kind of probably likehigh school, college going
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through a season where I triedto become less sensitive.
I tried to desensitize myselfbecause I I could hardly watch a
lot of movies or you know,things that other people could
watch.
I just I couldn't handle them.
Yeah, I'd get nightmares frommovies as a kid, you know,
things like that.
So I just had to be supercareful.
But then I also was sensitivephysically and emotionally as
(02:02):
um, well, I should say thephysical and emotional is what I
was aware of as a kid.
It wasn't till I was I was in aBible study with somebody, and
um she just kind of looked at meand said, You do realize that as
a sensitive person, you're notjust sensitive physically and
emotionally, but you'resensitive spiritually probably
too.
(02:22):
And it it clicked for me.
And I I hadn't like put thattogether, that it all was part
of the same thing.
Um, I hated that I was sensitivephysically.
I had lots of allergies, I hadlots of health problems growing
up.
Um, but I was very sensitive uhspiritually.
I could hear the Lord veryeasily growing up.
(02:43):
I had a lot of you knowsituations like that where I I
just knew that I heard the Lordtalking to me in my spirit and
and through circumstances, yeah.
And so I loved that aboutmyself.
And so that I think started thisjourney of like, okay, maybe
this isn't all bad.
SPEAKER_01 (03:01):
Shifting it a little bit.
SPEAKER_00 (03:03):
Yeah, like, oh, I like that about myself.
And if you know, if this means Ihave that, maybe I could accept
it.
Sure.
Um so I was aware of being afeeler first.
Yeah.
Um, and I was not aware to thelevel that I felt other people's
emotions until I got older and Istarted being around more people
(03:27):
that were kind of aware ofspiritual things, aware of the
gifts of the spirit, things likethat.
SPEAKER_01 (03:32):
At what point did you realize it was like your
theirs instead of yours?
Like how did you make thatconnection?
SPEAKER_00 (03:39):
Gosh, I feel like it happened so gradually.
Um, it might not have been untilI went to Dare to Believe and
started getting more training.
I remember hearing DonnaDeSilva's shifting atmospheres
talk was life-changing for me.
Yeah.
I was listening to it in my caras I was driving somewhere.
(03:59):
And I literally just was havingflashback after flashback after
flashback of my life as she wastalking.
And I was like, oh my gosh,that's what that was.
That's what that was.
That's what that was.
That's so good.
I was like, oh my gosh, itwasn't mine.
Like, I just I felt likesomebody I just bowled me over.
And I went, my whole life makesmore sense right now.
SPEAKER_01 (04:19):
Yeah, I guess I had to relate to that.
SPEAKER_00 (04:22):
I had had some very weird experiences that I didn't
talk to anybody about because Idid not know what to do with
them.
Yeah.
And I was like, people willthink I'm nuts if I share this.
Yeah.
You know, and so then I thinkaround that I got curious.
And here, I'll show you.
This is what happens when I getcurious.
SPEAKER_01 (04:45):
She's got this stack of books, which I can totally
relate to.
My whole office is covered instacks.
SPEAKER_00 (04:51):
Yeah, I was like trying to figure myself out.
Now I understood it maybe had aname, you know, or of a gifting,
like being a feeler, being aseer.
And again, I only thought I wasa feeler, but I also was
learning about this gift calledbeing a seer.
And I was I read the book TheVeil.
That was kind of the startingpoint.
(05:12):
Yeah.
Um, and it fascinated me.
Um, partly I feel like seers,um, even if you're not a seer,
seers are so valuable to learnabout because they show us the
spiritual world in a way, likethey show the reality of the
(05:32):
spiritual world by describingwhat they're seeing.
Yeah.
And for those of us where mostof the spiritual world is very
veiled to us, yes, it makes itso real.
And so it made God come alive,it made prayer come alive, it
made spiritual warfare comealive.
And I was just like, this is soreal, you know, and it empowers
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your prayer life, it empowershow you think about God and all
these different concepts inChristianity, I feel like.
And so I kept reading BlakeHealy's books.
He's the one that wrote TheVeil.
And later on in the series, hetalked about doing workshops and
helping people understand likehow to use the gift.
(06:14):
Yeah.
And as he described differentways that different people
picked up on it, all of a suddenI realized, like, oh, I think
I'm a seer too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because I thought you had to seewith your physical eyes, right?
Like see to be a seer.
And I usually see it in myimagination or in my mind's eye,
we call it like where your eyesare open and you're seeing
(06:38):
something that you know, likeyou're seeing it in your
imagination.
Yes.
You're not seeing it in the realworld, but you're seeing it.
SPEAKER_01 (06:44):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (06:45):
In your imagination with your eyes open.
SPEAKER_01 (06:47):
It's almost like a flash of a movie screen.
Um, yeah.
Or at least that's how I see it.
SPEAKER_00 (06:53):
It's like seeing a picture from your imagination
with your eyes open in the realworld.
So good.
So you know you're not seeingit, but you're seeing it.
SPEAKER_01 (07:01):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (07:02):
I don't know how it's hard to put words to these
things.
SPEAKER_01 (07:04):
So when you have it, you're all of a sudden
realizing, oh wow, I I've hadthat too, right?
But it's fast.
SPEAKER_00 (07:13):
I just thought I had a really vivid imagination
growing up and I would dismissmost of it.
Yeah.
And just be like, oh, that wasinteresting, or why am I
thinking about this right now?
Right.
You know?
Um, but as I started to um likethink about the possibility that
(07:34):
maybe I had this gift thing, Istarted to be like, okay, I'm
just gonna not dismiss thesethings and go with them and see
what happens.
Oh, that's and I startedrealizing I was seeing spiritual
things and um and that it wassuper helpful information.
SPEAKER_01 (07:50):
Yeah, what's the craziest thing you've seen?
SPEAKER_00 (07:53):
Oh, geez.
Well, let me say this first.
Let me say this first.
Is I did not want to talk aboutthis topic when the Lord for
like I was reading all thesebooks to learn about myself.
I was not necessarily sharing itwith a lot of people unless I
found out that they were too.
Then I would talk openly withthem about it.
(08:14):
And then the Lord was like, Iwant you to teach on this.
I was like, How about no?
Like, I don't want to be thatweird person in Christianity,
you know.
And but you know, I never winthose arguments with the Lord.
Well, we never do, do we?
Um so I was like, okay, so Istarted teaching on it, and what
(08:35):
I was amazed at how many peoplecame out of the woodwork of
having these giftings, right?
And what I saw is oh my gosh, weneed to talk about this in the
body of Christ.
SPEAKER_01 (08:46):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (08:47):
And what I started to realize as I talked to more
and more of them is like theseare the watchmen on the wall.
Like the seer and feelergiftings are the the radar of of
the Christian community wherethey can be like, hey, there's
something evil coming, we shouldpray.
SPEAKER_01 (09:06):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (09:07):
Right.
Um, there's something happening,we need to cover this, right?
Or God's doing something, weshould move with this, right?
Yes.
And so the enemy always loves togo under the radar.
And so if you can like thinkwar, if you can knock out the
radar, you can go under theradar, nobody knows you're
coming and a sneak attack.
(09:28):
Yes.
And so what does he do withseers and feelers is he tries to
knock out the gifting.
SPEAKER_01 (09:34):
And so either that's by it's by getting you to think
it's a curse, by getting you tothink it's bad, or getting
people to which a lot ofchurches, quite frankly, are
mimicking that sentiment.
SPEAKER_00 (09:48):
Yeah, like a lot of churches don't understand it,
they think it's demonic, theythink it's all, they relegate it
all to New Age, yep, and theythink that um you only see that
if you've opened up a door tothe demonic.
And that's not true.
Right.
It's a gifting from the Lord,it's talked about in the old
testament.
(10:08):
Um, I like to read a coupleverses because it really a lot
of times people only rememberthe seer that was like a medium
that was talked about in theBible.
That's not what we're talkingabout.
Um Samuel 9 9 says, Formally inIsrael, when a man went to
inquire of God, he used to say,Come and let us go to the seer,
for he who is called a prophetnow is formally called a seer.
(10:32):
And then Chronicles 29, 29 says,Now the acts of King David from
first to last are written in thechronicles of Samuel the Seer,
in the chronicles of Nathan theprophet, and in the chronicles
of Gad the Seer.
Which is interesting becausethose three people all had kind
of the same function.
unknown (10:49):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:49):
But one's called a prophet and two are called
seers.
Right.
And my guess is it's because ofhow they picked up the
information that came to them.
SPEAKER_01 (10:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:57):
Two of them probably saw it visually, one of them
probably just got it morethrough hearing words or inner
knowing from the Lord.
And so just recognizing thatit's it's biblical, you know?
Yeah.
It's how people pick upinformation from the Lord.
Some people pick it up this way,some people don't.
(11:18):
And I also look at it as each ofthese giftings is a continuum.
You're gonna have people thatare really low feelers, people
that are really high feelers.
They feel everything.
You're gonna have people thatsee very little, and you're
gonna have people that see umwhat I call high-level seers,
like um Blake Healy, where heblatantly sees it all the time
(11:39):
angels, demons, the whole nineyards, right?
Um and you're gonna landsomewhere on that spectrum.
And I kind of think everybodyprobably has a little bit of
both, but some, like I said, arereally, really low, some are
really, really high.
SPEAKER_01 (11:56):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think we can easily shutit down to like for me, I know
growing up, like I would see andknow things, and and that was
like shut down so quicklybecause it was just believed in
my family that that wasn't fromthe Lord.
Um, and so for me, I I felt likeit was a bad thing, and so I
just kind of turned it off andand didn't pick it back up again
(12:19):
until you know the last handfulof years.
So yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (12:23):
So I think for feelers, a lot of time what
happens is they get overwhelmedby the amount of emotional
information and spiritualinformation that's coming at
them.
This was me.
I did not understand that itwasn't all mine.
I thought it was, so I justthought I was this emotional
mess.
And I didn't know what to dowith all this information.
(12:43):
I definitely couldn'tcommunicate it all as a kid.
Um, I just knew I feltdiscombobulated a lot of the
times.
And so you start stuffing it inyour body.
Yes.
And I started having all thesechronic health issues.
Yep.
So I kind of have a runninghypothesis that a lot of
chronically ill people arefeelers that don't understand
their gifting and don't know howto be healthy enough.
SPEAKER_01 (13:04):
I would agree with that.
Wholeheartedly.
SPEAKER_00 (13:06):
And sears, what often happens is they often get
attacked as children withnightmares or having visitations
from demonic or scary stuff, youknow, in their bedroom at night.
And they may or may not tell theadults in their lives what's
going on because they don't knowhow to communicate it.
Yeah.
(13:26):
Um, and it's too much and itoverwhelms them, and then they
shut it down.
SPEAKER_01 (13:31):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (13:32):
And so I've met a lot of seers who shut the gift
down early in their life andwanted nothing to do with it
because all they saw was scarystuff.
And that's what happened toBlake Healy, is he was getting
kind of tormented by seeing allthese things and didn't know
what to do with it.
And for him, it wasn't until hewent to a church that started
talking about the gifts of thespirit, and he just had this
(13:54):
like divine connection moment,and he went, Oh, wait, I think
this is a gift.
And like within a week, itswitched for him.
Where he started to see more ofthe good than the bad because he
started to realize it was a giftand not a curse.
Yeah.
And he started to talk about itwith the adults in his life, and
so then they were able to helplike disciple him in it.
(14:15):
Yeah, that's because thankfullythey believed him.
Right.
But a lot of people are notbelieved.
They're just, oh, you're crazyor you're making stuff up, or
and they learn very quickly notto talk about it.
SPEAKER_01 (14:28):
Yeah, because it's not safe, which or which again
is a strategy of the enemy.
SPEAKER_00 (14:33):
Yeah, it's a strategy of the enemy to shut it
down.
SPEAKER_01 (14:36):
Yeah, of course.
Of course, because if we can seethings coming, feel things
coming, shift atmospheres.
So let's talk about.
So I know this was a problemwith me when I was a kid, is
that I felt everything.
And I didn't understand.
I wasn't raised in a home whereeven really Jesus was talked
about.
So uh knowing that this was agift, I just thought I was told
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my whole life I was toosensitive.
And I, of course, saw it as thishuge burden.
I'm gonna I would walk into aroom and I'd be like, I don't
want to be here, I need toleave.
Um, and you know, everyonearound me, even into adulthood,
be like, what is wrong with you?
Like, just get get over it.
There's nothing here, there'snothing wrong.
But I could feel all the thingsin the atmosphere, right?
(15:19):
And I know you've experiencedthings like this.
So talk about how you made thatshift.
I know part of it was juststarting to see it as a blessing
instead of instead of thisweight.
Um, what else what otherstrategies could you give for
somebody that's listening tothis and is like, oh my
goodness, that's me.
SPEAKER_00 (15:35):
Right.
So I think one of the firstthings I learned um was asking
the question, is it to Jesus, isit mine?
Yeah.
So I would feel something.
Um, and the check yourself atthe door is a really important
concept.
Notice how you feel when youleave your atmosphere in the
morning.
Do you feel good?
I feel rested, or I'm feelingcranky, I'm feeling tired, you
(15:59):
know, just kind of like knowyourself and being aware of
where you're at before you stepinto other people's atmospheres
is really important.
Um, because then when there's asudden shift, like, oh, I'm
feeling pretty good thismorning, I feel rested.
I walk into work or wherever,and all of a sudden I'm angry.
(16:20):
I wasn't angry five minutes ago.
If I can recognize where I'm atenough, then when I have this
sudden shift, I can go, wait asecond, I wasn't feeling that
way five minutes ago.
This probably isn't mine.
SPEAKER_02 (16:31):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (16:32):
You know, and then I can ask, especially if nothing
has shifted.
Like I'm nobody's done anythingto me for me to be suddenly
ragefully angry.
Right.
You know, yeah.
I used to just think, well, theemotions happening in my body,
it must be mine.
And so then I would just try toattach it to something in my
life so I didn't feel crazy.
I know.
SPEAKER_01 (16:51):
And I asked the question, what is wrong with me
all the time when I was like allthe time?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:56):
And I'd be like, ah, I'm not, what am I angry at?
It must be you.
You're in front of, you know,like I would just attach to
stuff, and you know.
Um, one time I was with myhusband in the car and we were
just sitting at a stoplight, andall of a sudden I burst out
crying.
And he's like, What's wrong?
And I'm like, at first I'mthinking, I don't know, but then
(17:17):
I attached to something in mylife that was going on that made
some sense to me.
Yeah.
But like 30 seconds later, afuneral procession went through
the light in front of us.
And we just went, oh, okay.
That makes more sense.
You know, I felt like this waveof grief coming down the street.
(17:39):
So um I think before I wouldhave just dismissed that.
Sure.
I wouldn't have even connectedit.
SPEAKER_01 (17:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (17:46):
You know.
So check yourself at the door.
Um, notice when there's suddenshifts, especially if there's
nothing, literally nothingthat's happened in your life
that should have created thatshift.
Right.
Suddenly you feel depressed,suddenly you feel grief.
Um and I would just ask, startasking the Lord, Jesus, is this
mine?
Yeah.
And see what he said.
(18:07):
And it if he said, No, it's notyours, then I would ask, Okay,
whose is it?
And I'd say about 80% of thetime he'd tell me.
Um, maybe 20% of the time Ididn't need to know.
Um, and then I'd ask him, Whatdo you want me to do with this
information?
Most of the time, he just wantedme to pray.
Right.
It was an intercession thing.
(18:28):
He wanted me to pray for thatperson.
Um, you do not have to be in thepresence of that person to feel
their stuff.
Yeah.
I have felt people's stuff thatwere on the other side of the
continent.
Yeah.
Yeah.
From me.
Okay.
So um I would pray for them, andI would say the vast majority of
the time, 30 seconds or less ofpraying for that person, and I
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would feel that emotion orburden or whatever it was lift
off of me, and I was done.
SPEAKER_01 (18:55):
Yeah.
So good.
SPEAKER_00 (18:57):
Now, sometimes you'll have a burden that lasts
longer than that, excuse me,where you feel like you need to
pray longer or the burden juststays, or sometimes the burden
will keep coming back five, 10times a day.
But the Lord's just going, Hey,can you pray again?
Yeah.
Can you pray again?
And it'd be like 30 seconds orless.
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It would lift.
Um, this was great, except forthe times when I would forget to
ask, is it mine for like threedays?
And I would be in a funk forlike three days.
And then yeah, and I wouldforget, and then I would be
like, wait a minute, is thismine?
And the Lord would be socheerful.
Nope.
And I'm like, oh my gosh.
(19:38):
And I'd pray for 30 seconds andlift.
I'm like, are you telling me Icould have done this three days
ago?
SPEAKER_01 (19:44):
But it's real though, because you're a human
being and you're learning to ina gift that is very confusing.
And quite frankly, I mean,besides your stack of books,
there, there's not a lot oftraining on this, right?
SPEAKER_00 (19:57):
The church isn't doing part, especially not in
mainline or evangelicalChristianity.
You know, it's just not talkedabout.
So um sometimes you just havewalked into a bubble of
something, is what I like tothink of.
I'm very visual.
So I have a bubble that's aroundme, and everybody has their own
atmosphere.
(20:18):
Think about Pig Pen from the oldpeanuts cartoon, like he carried
this cloud, right?
Everybody kind of has theircloud of their emotions, their
spiritual stuff, you know.
Um, and you walk into it.
And so some people carry joy,which is super fun to walk into
somebody's bubble when they'rejoyful.
(20:38):
Because all you just always feeljoyful in their presence, you
laugh a lot.
Other people carry depression,other people carry anger.
Even when they're not angry,they feel angry, you know, they
carry an atmosphere of anger.
Um, and so there's times whereI've walked into somebody else's
bubble and I start become likecoming under it.
(20:59):
Yeah.
And I start um doing thethermostat versus thermometer
thing.
So I start you start off being athermometer, everybody does.
A thermometer reads thetemperature and displays it to
you.
SPEAKER_01 (21:14):
Yes.
SPEAKER_00 (21:14):
Okay.
So I walk into somebody's bubblewho carries anger and sarcasm,
and all of a sudden, sarcasmstarts coming out of my mouth.
And I have cut that out of myvocabulary.
I don't usually talk that wayanymore.
Yeah.
And I'd be like, whoa, what ishappening?
And then I realize, like, oh, Ijust I'm around this person that
carries a lot of sarcasm.
So I have to step backemotionally, be like, okay,
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that's not mine, kind of push itout of my bubble and become
aware.
I can pray for them.
Um, but sometimes it's just, oh,that's not mine, and push it out
of your bubble.
It just got in your bubble andit's not yours.
So um other times what you cando is pray the positive
opposite.
And so uh let's say youencounter somebody with
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depression, you start to kind offeel it, and you can just be
like, Lord, just release joyover them, release peace over
them, release comfort, you know,whatever the Lord prompts you to
pray, that's the opposite.
Because the positive oppositecould be 10 different things
depending on the person and thesituation.
SPEAKER_01 (22:15):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (22:16):
For what they need.
But I call that likeanti-missile.
Like, you know, like they haveif there's planes flying and
there's a missile going afterit, they'll shoot stuff out of
the back of the plane to makethe missile blow up before it
hits them.
Yeah, that's what I see praying.
The positive opposite is itthrows the stuff out the back,
and what the enemy's trying toget on you just blows up and it
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doesn't hurt you.
SPEAKER_01 (22:41):
So good.
So what advice would you givefor someone that's maybe
listening to this and it'sresonating with them, but they
also have a child that they'rethey're seeing, oh my goodness,
I think my my son or daughtercarries some of this.
How do I disciple it throughthem through this when I'm
learning?
SPEAKER_00 (22:58):
Yeah, absolutely.
So children with this giftingare often what I call the
canaries in the cage.
So the canary in the cage, thatwhole saying came from minors
where they'd be deep down,they'd put a canary up in the
top of the room they were inbecause canaries sing
constantly.
And if the air started to go outof the room, the canary would be
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the first to die and fall overand stop singing.
They would hear that shift andhave time to get out of the
room, right?
So unfortunately, the feelersare your canaries in the cage,
they're gonna fall over first.
Okay, they're gonna get affectedby whatever's going on in the
atmosphere first, and they'regonna display it to you.
Yes.
Um, so with children, this oftenlooks like them freaking out or
(23:40):
getting really sad, starting todisplay whatever is going on.
So, an example, I I've nannie'sfor like six different families.
Um, and I had this little boywho was very kind, very nice,
all of a sudden started sayingnegative things about my body to
me.
And I was like, Where is thiscoming from?
Like, is he learning it on theplayground?
(24:00):
Like, what's happening?
So I was like correcting him,and um, I was talking to a
friend about it who is also afeelerseer, and she goes, Marie,
I think he's picking up on youratmosphere because you're having
some body image issues.
And I was like, Oh, you'reright.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
And he was reading it anddisplaying it to me.
So I did some work with the Lordand this friend, like doing some
(24:23):
prayer around my issues anddealing with my insecurity.
He never said another word afterI dealt with my stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (24:30):
So powerful, man.
SPEAKER_00 (24:31):
Like it was just gone, you know, and um, and I
saw that happen many other timeswith kids where they just
display what's going on.
So watching for sudden changesin behavior or actions that are
not like their character.
I had another kid that um I wastalking to his mom and I had to
tell him no for something, andhe got mad and tried to like I
(24:53):
out of the corner of my eye, Isaw that he tried to kick me,
which is not his character, wasnot his normal.
Sure.
And his mom saw it and was likemortified, and pulls him out of
the room.
And as she's pulling him out ofthe room, I was like, wait a
second, he was just around thisother kid who does carry that
and does act like that.
(25:14):
And I was like, It's not his.
Like he she and I understoodthis stuff, and so I could talk
like that to her.
Yeah, you know, and so she justwent, Oh, you're right, and so
she kind of mildly told him,Don't do that.
But then she just prayed tobrush him off, like and brushing
off prayers as simple asanything not of the Lord and not
(25:34):
of me, get off in Jesus' name.
Yes, and you know, fill me withthe Holy Spirit.
Yes, that's it.
I mean, there's page longbrushing off prayers out there,
but I like being succinct, so Ithink it works.
SPEAKER_01 (25:47):
Um feelers will feel that when they do that prayer,
they'll feel it lift off.
And so if that resonates withyou, do that prayer right now
because you will feel the shiftimmediately.
I'll never forget when I taughtmy kids how to do it, and
they're like, Oh, that feels somuch better.
SPEAKER_00 (26:05):
And yeah, you could feel and that's the thing is
with kids, they don't have ajunior Holy Spirit.
So teach them from a young agethat they have this gifting and
then teach them how to deal withit.
Yeah, like, hey, let's pray abrushing off prayer.
When they're little, you do themfor them, then you start to do
it with them, and then you startto encourage them to do it while
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you're in their presence, andthen eventually they start doing
it on their own.
SPEAKER_01 (26:30):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (26:30):
You know, because they understand, they feel the
difference.
The feelers, you know, feel it,the seers see it, they they see
that it works.
Right.
You don't have to convince them,you know, you just have to teach
them it's a gift.
Um, when they're really little,you can pray protective bubbles
around them in certainsituations.
Like if you know you're goinginto an intense situation and
(26:51):
you have a kid who's a feeler,you can pray a protective bubble
around them, like Lord protectthem so they don't feel all the
intensity of this because theyknow it's gonna be a hard
situation.
SPEAKER_01 (27:00):
Yeah, that's really good.
What about teens that are likethey're past the little kids
stage?
Uh they're learning how to bethe adults, but they can't
always articulate or becommunicated to like adults yet.
They're kind of in that messyin-between stage.
Do you have any specific advicefor that age group?
SPEAKER_00 (27:16):
I think again, it's just talking about it.
Um, and probably when they'renot around other people because
they might be embarrassed bythat, you know, yeah, and they
don't want to be seen asdifferent.
But what helped me a lot wasjust talking with other people
who had these giftings andputting language to it.
Right.
Somebody else would say, Oh, Isee like this, and they would
(27:39):
finally put words to somethingthat had happened to me, but I
had um brushed it off andignored it because I had no
language for it.
Right.
And so if you can give themlanguage, that's huge for them
being able to know what to dowith it, you know, because then
they'll connect with it becausethey're experiencing it, they
just don't know what the heck todo with it, you know.
(28:00):
Um and so one of the things Iencourage feelers to understand
is um the Lord will use yourbody like uh like a whiteboard,
and he'll write stuff on it.
Okay.
And so you'll feel stuff in yourbody, physically, emotionally,
um, or even spiritually, as likepains in your body sometimes, or
(28:23):
energy or um emotions, anger,sadness, grief, those different
things can come up.
And if you can think about itmetaphorically, because feelers
and seers will pick up on thingsvery metaphorically sometimes.
Yeah.
Like I'll be in a situation andall of a sudden my shoulders
start to hurt.
I didn't do anything to myshoulders, nothing has happened
(28:45):
in the last five minutes that myshoulders should hurt, and I'll
suddenly have shooting painsometimes.
Like not always, but sometimesI'll have intense pain.
And I'm like, what is going on?
Right.
You know?
Yep.
And I started learning to payattention to it and learn that
it was the Lord communicatingsomething to me.
Now, again, sometimes it's mine,sometimes it's somebody else's
(29:06):
in the room, right?
Or not in the room.
Um, but all of this you have tolearn and teach your kids how to
just start asking questions andgetting curious rather than
being scared by it.
I was scared by it before.
Like, oh no, why is my bodyhurting again for no reason?
SPEAKER_01 (29:24):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (29:25):
You know?
SPEAKER_01 (29:25):
Yeah, or what did I do wrong?
That was the question I alwaysasked.
What did I do now?
Like, mm-hmm.
unknown (29:30):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (29:32):
Yeah.
And so teaching people to havecuriosity.
Here's an example.
I went to the state fair with afriend, and we were like walking
into the fair.
We hadn't eaten anything, wehadn't done anything, and all of
a sudden I have a stomachache.
And I'm like, I didn't have astomachache five minutes ago, I
haven't eaten anything.
And so I got curious and Istarted looking around, like,
(29:53):
where am I?
What's around me?
And I realized we were walkingright by the haunted house.
I was like, oh, that makes totalsense.
Just kind of pushed out of mybubble, prayed for the people in
there, and moved on.
Stomach ache went away.
Yeah, I love that.
So good.
So it's paying attention to whatis that body part for?
What does it do?
And learning to thinkmetaphorically.
(30:14):
So the example of the shoulders,a lot of times it's carrying
burdens you're not supposed tobe carrying.
Okay.
We use that part of our body tocarry stuff.
So if it's mine, maybe I'mthinking about some
responsibility and taking it onthat I don't need to be taking
on.
And I just need to offload thatto the Lord and be like, oops,
(30:34):
sorry.
I picked this up.
It's not really mine to carry.
I give it to you.
Yeah.
Or maybe somebody I'm in thepresence, like I work one-on-one
with clients.
So sometimes I start feelingstuff in my body that's the Lord
giving me clues of what's goingon with them.
Yeah.
Which is super fun.
Some sessions, the whole sessionis just me having body pains and
(30:55):
then asking the Lord about itand going with it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, it's interesting.
So I might start feelingshoulder pain and then just
start asking them, like, hey,are you carrying any?
Let's ask the Lord if you'recarrying any burdens that you're
not supposed to be carrying.
And depending on where theclient's at with understanding
or having a grid for this, Imight tell them what I'm feeling
(31:16):
or I might not.
And then just ask the questions.
They don't need to know why I'masking the questions.
SPEAKER_01 (31:21):
Experiencing, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (31:23):
Yeah.
If they don't have a grid forit, I don't need to go there.
SPEAKER_01 (31:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (31:27):
You know, I think that's the important thing for
feelers and seers too is you cancommunicate about this stuff no
matter the grid of the person infront of you.
You just might modify a littlebit what you're sharing and how
much.
SPEAKER_01 (31:39):
Yeah.
You know, that's so good.
And the Lord will give youwisdom to know when and what to
share as well.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (31:45):
A hundred percent.
SPEAKER_01 (31:46):
Yeah.
So, in terms of, so my whole, mywhole brand is learning how to
regulate our nervous system andjust really live in peace,
right?
So I know before I learned tocarry this gift, I did not have
any peace in my life.
I had not raised been raised ina home where there was any
peace.
And it became abundantly clearto me when I went to college,
(32:07):
just getting out of thatatmosphere was massive for me.
But if somebody is a seer orfeeler and they don't know how
to carry it, um, talk about howlearning to carry it can just
help bring that level of peacemaybe that they haven't
experienced before.
SPEAKER_00 (32:22):
Yeah.
I think for one thing, whatcomes to my mind is when you
start to understand it's agifting, when you start to
understand not everything'syours, yes, um, there comes this
piece of like, oh, there's notsomething horribly wrong with
me, right?
Right.
There's actually a reason forwhy these things happen.
Um you have somebody you can goto, Jesus, to ask those
(32:47):
questions of and get answers andget coaching and help.
Um, or come and get coaching.
I love to help coach people withthis, you know, um, that have
this gifting so they can have abetter understanding of how to
live with it and not have itcrush them, you know.
So good.
Because it it can be crushing.
And then you start to understandthe process of what I call
(33:09):
sorting, which can beexhausting, let's be honest.
You're getting all thisinformation.
I say people with this giftingis like have a huge satellite on
their head and they're justconstantly getting all this
information, and you're kind ofconstantly having to be in this
place of sorting of like, oh,what was that?
Is it mine?
What do I do with that?
Do I need to pray?
(33:29):
Oh, push that out of my bubble.
Like, there's this process thatwe you learn how to do that, um,
it does get simpler, it's notalways easy, let's put it that
way.
You start to understand what todo with it, how to offload it
when you walk out of difficultsituations, how to brush off.
(33:53):
Because if you don't brush offand you just keep accumulating
all this stuff, it builds up andbuilds up into chronic illness,
into a nervous system that'slike completely hyper-vigilant.
Yes.
And you're just like, when's thenext thing gonna happen?
SPEAKER_02 (34:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (34:07):
And I see a lot of people with this gifting start
isolating.
Yes.
Because I didn't like mallsgrowing up.
I still don't like malls.
It's I think the reason now thatI understand myself better, it's
too many atmospheres alltogether.
SPEAKER_01 (34:21):
I feel the same way when I go into the city.
Like in downtown city, anydowntown, I I get overwhelmed by
it.
SPEAKER_00 (34:28):
So yeah, there's just so many atmospheres and
things happening, and it's justlike it's noisy, kind of.
Um, and so they'll they'll startto isolate because they just
they don't know what it is andthey don't know what to do with
it.
Now, if I walk into a situationlike that, I can kind of start
to pray a bubble over myself.
I can even ask the Lord to turnit down sometimes, like it's too
(34:50):
much.
Can you just just crank it downin little notch?
Jesus, it's a little much rightnow.
Yeah, you know, sometimes hedoes, sometimes he doesn't.
But um it's it's it's learninghow to do those things and it
does help calm your body, justknowing you're not crazy will
calm your nervous system.
(35:10):
Yes, right.
Yes, knowing there's a reasonfor this, um, knowing I don't
need to run to the doctorbecause I have this stabbing
pain in my in my ankle suddenly.
SPEAKER_01 (35:21):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (35:21):
Right.
That I didn't have five minutesago and I haven't done a single
thing to my foot.
Right.
And being able to ask the Lordquestions and then see that pain
lift because I worked through itwith the Lord, prayed for the
person I was supposed to prayfor, blah, blah, blah.
The pain lifts and it's gone.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
You you start to learn theseprocesses that help you.
(35:42):
Does it always make it easy?
No.
Um, I like to compare peoplewith this gifting to a
seismograph.
It's that machine that can readthe aftershocks that are deep,
deep, deep in the earth's crust.
Yeah.
Yep.
Very, very sensitive machine fora very, very specific purpose.
(36:03):
Okay.
If you try to use that machineto stop a tsunami, it's gonna
get destroyed.
Okay.
Because for a tsunami, you needlike a brick wall or cement, you
know, or steel, something likethat that's built for that
situation.
A seismograph's not built forthat.
So part of it is recognizingthat as a sensitive person,
(36:26):
we're built to pick up on tinylittle nuances and things, which
means if something big and hugehappens, it's gonna be really
rough on us.
Yeah.
Okay.
And we're gonna need to havesome protection.
We're need gonna need to do alot of self-care to get through
that big thing.
SPEAKER_01 (36:45):
That's so good.
SPEAKER_00 (36:46):
Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_01 (36:48):
Yeah, so good.
If someone is wanting um maybesome more support or help in
this, what does that look likeif they come to work with you?
SPEAKER_00 (36:59):
Yeah.
Um, I love coaching people withthis, with these giftings.
Um, and it's funny because theLord brings them to me, whether
they know they are or whethereven I know they are.
They just kind of end up comingand I start realizing, like, oh,
you're a feeler, you're a seer.
Yeah.
Um, but some of it can behelping them work through things
(37:20):
from the past, because a lot oftimes people need to forgive
people who judge them or thatwere critical of them, and
that's contributed to themshutting the gift down or not
talking about it and stuffingit.
Um dealing with pain or fearsfrom how the gifting impacted
them in the past when theydidn't understand or know what
(37:42):
to do with it.
Right.
So working through some of thatstuff.
Some people just need somecoaching of like, I need to talk
to somebody about this thatisn't gonna think I'm nuts.
SPEAKER_01 (37:52):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (37:52):
And like they need a sounding board to be honest.
SPEAKER_01 (37:55):
Yeah, like a mentor.
SPEAKER_00 (37:56):
I can, yeah, I can be that person who's like, yeah,
you're not nuts.
Like, tell me what you've seen.
And then what can be helpful isjust by talking about it with
somebody else who also knowsHoly Spirit and who is checking
in can help you discern likewhat's going on in that
situation, or what is thisspecific thing that happened to
me.
(38:17):
I don't even know what questionsto ask.
So sometimes I'm just helpingthem figure out what questions
to ask the Lord and helping themfacilitate that sorting process
until they get better at it.
SPEAKER_01 (38:28):
That's really good.
I know when I've gone throughthings, I've reached out to you.
And because I'm such a highfeeler, sometimes we can be in
it so deep that we're nothearing clearly from the Lord.
And so I know that's one thingthat you've helped me do as well
is like, I just need somebodyelse that's a feeler to take a
third-party look at what'shappening here.
And that can be so powerfulbecause when we're in it, we
(38:51):
forget all our tools, we're sooverwhelmed by the emotions of
it all that we're not hearing,thinking, seeing clearly.
Um, and to have another personthat's very sensitive to the
spirit like that in your in youratmosphere is really helpful.
So for me, I know that that'sbeen invaluable.
SPEAKER_00 (39:07):
Yeah, a hundred percent.
And um you asked me earlier whatare some of the things I've seen
or what does this look like?
Do you mind if I kind of coverthat a little bit?
Yeah, please do.
Um, is how it kind of startedfor me was seeing people, I
would think I was seeing peopleout of the corner of my eye,
like standing somewhere.
And I would look and there'snobody standing there.
(39:28):
And I started talking to myfriends who were seers, and
like, what is that?
Um, and they would be like,Well, that's usually angels, and
that's how it starts.
You just start to think you seea guy out of the corner of your
eye.
An example of this thatconfirmed it for me is I used to
work downtown in a bad area oftown.
I'd had my car broken into, andever after that break-in, I
(39:51):
prayed that God would put anangel by my car to protect it
while I was in work.
Yeah, love it.
And my friend who was a seer oneday when I was telling her this
whole thing I was seeing, shegoes, Oh, it was like the other
day I saw you get out of yourcar, and I thought I saw a guy
standing on the other side ofyour car.
And I looked again and there wasnobody there.
And when she said that, I justbusted out laughing because I
was like, You saw my car angel.
(40:13):
Like for months I had beenpraying for this, you know, but
like I the Lord connected it inmy spirit immediately when she
said this.
Right.
I was like, awesome, I do have acar angel.
Love it.
Sometimes you pray for stuff,but you're like, does it happen?
You know?
Um, and it made sense when Iwould see it.
Like I would see it um at theyou know, the door of my
(40:36):
classroom that I was teaching,you know, at Teen Challenge, or
um, I saw them in my kitchen, orI would see them standing around
my family, you know, um when wewere going through something di
a difficult time in our family.
So that was when on the negativeside, I would um I would think I
(40:57):
see a bug crawling on the floor,and like a normal-sized bug, and
I'd look again, there's nothingthere.
And I started just assuming thatI that was the enemy.
Okay, because creepy crawlies,yeah, not something, you know,
spiders, not something youreally want.
And so I would just go, oh, Ishould probably pray.
So an example of this is Iwalked into a hotel room, I'm
(41:19):
putting my stuff away, and allof a sudden I think I see a
normal sized spider on thefloor.
I look again, there's nothingthere.
And I went, Oh, I haven'tcleaned my hotel room yet.
Yeah.
So I was like, everybody out,this is my room for tonight, you
know, Holy Spirit, come and fillthis place.
And so it was a good reminder.
I did not feel I did not see itas a scary thing, right?
(41:40):
I saw it as good information.
Yeah.
Once we learn more authorityover it, fear doesn't need to
come in.
So when people are afraid ofthis, and I have people who like
I have this video on my YouTubeof helping feelers and seers
thrive in their gifting.
And some people well, oftenpeople will be like, I had to
pause it, it was too much.
Like they get scared evenlearning about this information.
(42:02):
Sure.
Because they're afraid oflearning about the demonic,
they're afraid of seeing thedemonic.
Um, and so what I've had tolearn is tell people is you need
to learn about your identity,you need to learn about your
authority, and you need to loseyour fear of the demonic.
Yes, not because you shouldn'tgo play in their playground.
100%, you should not go play inthe enemy's playground.
(42:25):
Okay.
You are not bigger than theenemy.
But you plus Jesus is alwaysbigger than the enemy.
Right.
So if we step outside of God'splan or God's protection and
we're messing with the demonic,bad, bad, bad, bad.
Don't do that.
Okay.
But if you're within God'sprotection, you're within what
He wants you to be doing, andyou're encountering the demonic,
(42:48):
you always have authority, belike, get out of town.
Like, no, you don't get to be inmy life.
And once I and I had to gothrough those experiences of
getting over my fear of thedemonic and having the Lord
break that off of my life andbreak these lies off of my life
that the enemy was somehowbigger than God.
Right.
Um, and once I lost that fearand stepped into my full
(43:11):
identity in the Lord, steppedinto my authority and what that
means, and that I can tell himto take a hike, then it's way,
way less scary.
When I see stuff, when I see thedemonic, um, it doesn't scare
me.
It's like it's just information.
SPEAKER_01 (43:28):
Right, right.
SPEAKER_00 (43:30):
And I know what to do with it because I know how to
handle spiritual warfare.
I've, you know, the Lord hastaught me those things.
And so I go into like more likewarrior mode.
SPEAKER_02 (43:39):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (43:40):
Of like, oh, I need to pray, I need to get
intercessors on this orwhatever.
I don't feel fear.
SPEAKER_01 (43:47):
I love it.
Love it.
That's so good.
Any last thoughts for anybodythat's listening to this?
Any suggestions of you know,maybe they're not ready to come
see you, but maybe they want toread about it.
Like I know you mentioned theone book, but you have a whole
stack there.
What are your favorites?
SPEAKER_00 (44:03):
Yeah, what I usually tell feelers to start with is um
the The Mystery of SpiritualSensitivity by Carol Brown.
And her second book is calledHighly Sensitive.
Uh just buy both of them, readthem.
It's super helpful.
Um, on the Seer side of things,by the veil, Blake Healy.
He has four books.
(44:24):
Just buy them all, just readthem all.
Um, they're super helpful.
If you're more heady and youlike to know all of the Greek
and Hebrew and you know thedeep, deep theological.
James Gall has a book called TheFeeler and a book called The
Seer, and he goes through all ofthat in great depth.
SPEAKER_01 (44:40):
Um that's to get biblical accuracy in case you're
wondering why somebody would dothat, because the originals are
written in Greek and Hebrew,yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (44:48):
Yes, yeah.
Um and Shifting Atmospheres byDonna DeSilva.
SPEAKER_01 (44:53):
Yeah, that was so good.
SPEAKER_00 (44:55):
Her her seat, like her audio of it that's on
YouTube, is super helpful, butthen the book would go into more
depth, you know.
Yeah.
So those are great startingpoints for people.
Um just learning about it helpstake away some of the fear too.
SPEAKER_01 (45:10):
So good.
And then where can people findyou if they want to reach out
and meet with you or find yourYouTube channel?
Where can they find you?
SPEAKER_00 (45:18):
Yeah.
So if they go to vibrantlifeconsulting.com, that's my
website.
Um, if they click on the booknow, they can book a free
15-minute consultation with meto ask any questions they might
have before booking.
They can find me on YouTubeunder Vibrant Life Consulting as
well.
Very good.
SPEAKER_01 (45:35):
Well, thank you so much for coming on today and
sharing all your knowledge.
I learned so much from you inthis topic.
Like, I'm just I'm grateful thatyou're talking about it because
we need uh seers and feelers tofully step into their gift and
stop watering them down orturning them down because, like
you said, they're the radar forwhat's going on in the world and
in the atmosphere, and we needthem.
SPEAKER_00 (45:56):
So well, and we if we don't talk about it and we
relegate it all to the demonic,we end up losing them to the new
age.
Yeah.
Because the new age goes, that'sa gift, we'll teach you how to
use it.
Right.
And then they start using it forthe wrong kingdom, right?
You know, yeah, and it's such astill gifting.
Yeah.
So we want him to use it forGod's kingdom and and for his
(46:17):
good.
SPEAKER_01 (46:17):
Yes, so good.
So good.
Well, I will link all of thesethings in the show notes if
you're listening and you want tofind Marie or any of the books
that she recommended.
I'll have all those in the shownotes.
So thank you for joining ustoday, Marie, and thank you for
joining us.
Listeners, we'll see you nexttime.
SPEAKER_00 (46:33):
All right.
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