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What if your mind held the key to your own healing? Join us for an insightful conversation with Craig Meriwether, a seasoned clinical and medical hypnotherapist, as we explore the transformative world of hypnotherapy. Craig sheds light on his vast experience tackling issues ranging from childhood trauma and PTSD to empowering entrepreneurs with confidence. Our discussion aims to clear the fog around hypnotherapy, debunking myths perpetuated by entertainment media, and reaffirming its voluntary nature and potential to enhance mental and emotional well-being.

Discover the dual nature of hypnosis as both an entertaining spectacle and a profound healing tool. We touch upon the mind's extraordinary influence over physical health, drawing from Dr. Irving Kirsch's concept of hypnotherapy as a "non-deceptive placebo." Through captivating stories of placebo surgeries and personal battles with depression and anxiety, we underscore the mind's power to foster personal growth and healing. Craig shares his unexpected journey into hypnotherapy, sparked by a chance writing contest, which led him to uncover the mind's potential to achieve remarkable feats.

From understanding the impact of subconscious messaging to overcoming public speaking fears, this episode is packed with insights. We analyze the importance of addressing subconscious traumas and stress levels, emphasizing neuroplasticity as a pathway to healing. Learn how hypnotherapy can help rewire your perceptions, influenced by the subconscious, to enhance your life. We wrap up by extending our heartfelt thanks to Craig for his invaluable insights, and inviting listeners to explore the global reach of therapy practices and the profound effects of consistent mental health strategies.

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hi and welcome to Finding your Way Through Therapy
.
A proud member of thePsychCraft Network, the goal of
this podcast is to demystifytherapy, what can happen in
therapy and the wide array ofconversations you can have in
and about therapy Throughpersonal experiences.
Guests will talk about therapy,their experiences with it and

(00:24):
how psychology and therapy arepresent in many places in their
lives, with lots of authenticityand a touch of humor.
Here is your host, steve Bisson.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Mesdames et messieurs , bonjour, bonsoir.
Ladies and gentlemen, good day,good night.
Welcome to episode 182.
If you haven't listened toepisode 181 yet, please do so.
It was with Daniel Guspodarek,I think I got it right now.
We talked about traumatic braininjury.
We talked about how it affectstherapy and all those great
things, so I hope you enjoy that.
Go back and listen to that.

(00:58):
But on episode 182, we're goingto be talking to Craig
Merriweather.
Craig is a certified clinicalhypnotherapist, medical
hypnotherapist and neurolinguistprogramming specialist.
He founded Arizona IntegrityHypnotherapy, helping people
eliminate negative emotions andlimiting beliefs that may be
keeping them from reaching theirfull potential.

(01:19):
Over 12 years he's worked withchildhood trauma, cancer patient
with pain control, ptsd, withchildren who have anxiety,
children with nightmares andentrepreneurs with confidence as
well as peak performance, andhe is also someone who created a
book call and a course calledAce Any Tests.
So please go look out for that.

(01:40):
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(03:53):
Well, hi everyone and welcome toepisode 182.
You know I'm very excited totalk about this subject.
You know, like I don't knowabout a whole lot about
hypnotherapy.
I do know a little bit, but Idon't know a whole lot, and I'm
looking forward to hearing morefrom Craig Merriweather, I got
your name right.
I always make sure people getthat.
My name is always butchered, soI want to make sure.

(04:15):
But Craig, you know, contactedme and I thought it was a great,
fascinating stuff, because I dolike I'm curious about the
subject.
I don't know a whole lot.
So, anyway, we're going to betalking about that.
So, craig, welcome to Findingyour Way Through Therapy.
Hey, thanks.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Steve, I really appreciate giving the chance to
talk about this, especially withyour audience.
Obviously, they're veryinterested in topics of behavior
and mental health and emotionalhealth and so any way I can
spread the word abouthypnotherapy because I know
there's so many misconceptionsand myths around it just because

(04:49):
of TV and movies and Las Vegasshows and all that.
So it'll be fun to have aconversation about all that and
see what happens yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
I think that that's what I when I think about it.
I've been to a couple of thoseshows where the hypnotherapy,
where they make you do funnythings, and I know that people
always perceive it.
The one thing I always tellpeople I don't know much about
it, but you can't do anythingyou're not willing to do.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
No, no, it's more like somebody going to a
Grateful Dead concert and it'sall.
I'm not going to one of those.
They're going to make me danceand spin around.
No, I'm not.
You dance concert and it's all.
I'm not going to one of thoseare going to make me dance and
spin around.
No, I'm not you dance and spinaround because you want to or
you know I'm not going to.
You know a club because they'regoing to make me dance.
No one's making you dance, noone's doing anything.
You volunteer to get on thedance floor.

(05:34):
You volunteer to go to thefloor of a grateful dead concert
and spin around, and everysingle person who gets up on
that stage volunteers to go upthere.
Right, and that's what I thinka lot of people get caught up in
and I I understand it.
They watch people, maybe onyoutube video or comedy club or

(05:54):
las vegas show, and they seepeople singing like elvis
presley and dancing like michaeljackson and quacking like ducks
and barking like dogs,pretending they're on a roller
coaster, whatever the gag is,and it's, it's funny, but you
also don't want to act like thefool.
It's embarrassing, can behumiliating, but to a certain
kind of person, that's fun forthem.
Right, you know, and everysingle person again.

(06:16):
Not only did they buy a ticketto be at that show, they sat
down their seat and when thehypnotist comes out, he or she,
they come out and they say heyeverybody who wants to come up
on stage and have a great time,and a bunch of people raise
their hands.
Now some people are kind of halfhalfway raising their hands.
Other people are jumping up anddown and and waving their hands
around me, me, pick me.
Who's the person gonna pick?
You're gonna pick the excitedperson because they're gonna

(06:39):
have a great show and you knowyou go to the las vegas shows,
even the kind of names you'venever heard of before still 80
bucks, and so they need to havea great show, they need to
entertain the people.
So they come back.
So this person has a career as aentertainment hypnotist and so
everybody who goes up there notonly volunteer to get up there,

(07:00):
they're actually going to runthem through little tests to see
how able they are to get intosome sort of trance-like state,
to get to that level of havingfun.
And every single person they'llgo down the line.
What's your name, where are youfrom?
And you're here to have a goodtime and do you want to go to

(07:21):
hypnosis and just have a funnight?
Yes, I do.
They.
They say yes like seven timesbefore this person makes them do
something.
So it's really about yourintention your intention in
terms of a hip hypnotherapy showor not hypnotherapy, but a
hypnotist show, yeah is to havefun, to entertain you're you're

(07:42):
an exhibitionist, you're anextrovert.
That's not how I want to spendmy evening and I don't think I
know anybody who would beinterested in volunteering for a
show.
But there are people out there.
They want to have fun andthat's how they do it.
They want to show off and bethe center of attention, and I
don't mean that in a bad way,but they just like being up on
stage and to them that seemslike a challenge, an adrenaline

(08:06):
rush and something unique andfun that you really probably
aren't going to do once in yourlife.
And so they get to be up there,have a good time, sing like
Elvis Presley, dance likeMichael Jackson, and at the end
of the show they have a bigsmile on their face because they
had a great time.
So it's really about yourintention.
And if your intention is toentertain, to have a fun time,

(08:28):
to have a silly video to put upon TikTok or Instagram, that's
great.
You're going to have that.
On the other hand, what if yourintention is to heal?
And that's where thisconversation can get really
interesting because Dr IrvingKirsch called hypnotherapy a
non-deceptive placebo, meaningthat a placebo using mind to

(08:51):
heal body.
Of course, like, let's say, apharmaceutical company is doing
some sort of research on a highblood pressure medication, heart
medication, half the group'sgoing to get that sugar pill.
We all know that sugar pillthing is to trick the people
into healing themselves.
They do that because they knowmind will heal the body.

(09:13):
They actually have to accountfor that in their research.
So let's say they're doing thishigh blood pressure medication.
Half the people in the study aregetting the sugar pill.
30% get better.
Literally 30% of those peoplehealed themselves through
Thalolone.
They thought they were takingsome sort of medication so they
were tricked into healingthemselves.
But there was no medicinalvalue so they literally healed

(09:36):
themselves.
Let's say 40% of the group thatwas getting the real medication
gets better.
They actually have to subtract30% because maybe they got
better through mine too.
The medication had nothing todo with it.
They actually healed themselvesbecause, oh, I'm getting
medication, my body will and mymind will just heal itself.
So really only 10% got betteron the medication.

(09:58):
That's good enough.
I'll throw on the market at 50bucks a pill but nobody really
really looks at.
Yeah, but more people actuallyheal themselves through mind,
and so Dr Irving Kirsch callsthis a non-deceptive placebo,
because we're not going to trickyou into healing yourself,
you're going to do it on purpose, and that's really how powerful
you are.
There's tons of study in theliterature and anecdotal stories

(10:21):
that you hear about doctors ofjust like people, whether it's
spontaneous healing they callthem miracle healings or over
time, realizing that they're insome sort of research and and
people get that.
There was that research done onthe knee surgery that got so
famous maybe a decade ago atthis point BBC documentary about

(10:42):
it, where they're trying tofigure out whether flushing or
scraping method for arthroscopicknee surgery was best, and so
to get it published you have tohave the control group, and so
they literally did fake surgeryon a third of the people fake
surgery, wheeled them intosurgery, gassed them out,

(11:02):
pretended to do a surgery incase you're kind of halfway
awake but not really awake.
And since it's arthroscopic,they had video monitors of
somebody else's knee surgery.
There's a scalpel and askingfor tools and all this stuff 45
minutes surgery.
All they did was kind of cutthe knee, like they would sewed

(11:23):
up the knee with two littlestitches I mean done nothing
else to the knee and thosepeople got as better as the
other groups who actually gotsurgery.
They literally these people whoare in walkers and canes, are
now grandparents, now playingbasketball with their
grandchildren and they had noidea they they healed themselves
.
They tried, they followed themfor like two years and then told

(11:45):
them they got fake surgery andthey healed themselves.
It's extraordinary what themind can actually do to heal the
body.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
You know well therapy helps you with that.
I don't want to stop you, butyou know like this is all good
stuff, but we don't even knowwho craig merriweather is.
I didn't even introduceyourself.
So I'm gonna ask you tointroduce yourself, because this
is a great conversation.
I was gonna go and follow upand I'm like wait a minute, I
didn't even ask him who he was.
I know who you are.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
We had a conversation but how about my audience?
Yeah, we're having a greatconversation beforehand.
So I just started running rightinto this because to me it's
it's one of the most excitingthings to be able to tap into
mind.
And the reason why I kind ofgot into this work is I grew up
with my own issues.
Depression and anxiety startedwhen I was a teenager.

(12:31):
So this is the 1980s and I'vedone my share of talk therapy.
I mean when I, you know, therewere some issues within my
family and we were doing therapyand it was just, I don't know,
it was weird and strange becauseit was kind of hippie-like and
it was back in the early 1980sin San Diego and I don't know,

(12:53):
it was just kind of weird andstrange and off.
And when I got together with mygirlfriend in 1987, who's now
my wife we 19 and and werealized right away we were had
a pretty codependentrelationship after about a year
because of our own struggleswithin our own family lives and
ourselves and we really gluedourselves to each other.

(13:16):
We started relationshipcounseling at 19, uh, to to try
and just make sense of what wewere going through in our
relationship and in our lives.
That was extraordinarilyhelpful.
I love talk therapy, you know,and done it on and off over the
years.
Just, you know, in terms ofcheckups, it's always great to
have a second pair of eyes onsomething.

(13:37):
Any champion, any gold medalOlympian has a coach, probably
multiple coaches.
Look at a baseball player ithas a batting coach, a throwing
coach, a running coach, aphysical therapist, a
nutritionalist, all that stuff.
So it's always great to have acoach.
And when I was growing up, youknow, like I said, you know my

(13:58):
high school years, really theonly thing you could do back
then when you're strugglingdepression and anxiety, you know
, is whatever book you couldfind at the library or the
bookstore, or talk therapy Ifyou could find somebody who
could help.
But you know, a teenage guy isnot going to go out and look for
a talk therapy or evenunderstand, maybe, what that was
all about.
Right, the issues within thefamily.

(14:20):
When I was growing up I didn'tat that point didn't have a
great idea of what talk therapywas about, and so you know the
ssri drug was didn't come out towhat late 80s, early 1990s,
really didn't become popularuntil the late 1990s.
So it was really.
Just you know.
Maintain, you know, right, justtry to get through each and

(14:43):
every day and after a while it'sjust like, yeah, this is the
way it is.
You know, uh, this is how I,how life is.
Why would you know anydifferent?
Sort of like describing colorto a blind person.
Why would you know anydifferent?
Uh, if this is the way you feltall the time, and you know,
sure, there's there's sunshinehere and there, but it's sort of

(15:05):
like, maybe living in pacificnorthwest or maybe london or
something, it's just like gray alot of the time.
And so I kind of struggledthrough that through the 90s,
and it was really the birth ofmy son in the year 2001 that
really thought, okay, I need to,I need to get my act together.
Of course I'm older now, uh,I'm in my 30s, and I just had

(15:26):
enough, you know, is that notthat whole you know cliche of?
You know, I'm tired of beingtired and with the birth of my
son, or at least my wife beingpregnant, and it's like, okay, I
got to get it together.
I got to get together nowBecause, if you know, my mom
struggled with depression.
I struggled with depression andanxiety.
There's a great chance that myson's going to as well, whether

(15:51):
it's just mirroring what's goingon in the home, whether it's a
genetic component that getstriggered Either way nature or
nurture there's a good chancethat he's going to struggle with
it as well.
So what can I do to help that?
Sometimes, if you're not strongenough to do it for yourself,
you do it for somebody else,right, and so it's really a lot
of trial and error, a lot ofexperimentation.

(16:12):
This is 2001.
So the internet's out there atthat point had been for some
years, and, of course, with theSSRI drugs came a lot of
attention about depression.
A lot of the conversationsstarted happening about
depression.
It took it, if there's a I knowthere's a lot of controversy
about that kind of stuff andthat's not what this

(16:32):
conversation is about but if, ifnothing else, it brought that
conversation to mainstream, Iguess, if you want to say that,
it brought it out of the shadowsand you could have a healthy
discussion about it, because yourealized a lot of your friends
were struggling with depressiontoo and anxiety, and and so
there's a lot more informationabout it.

(16:55):
One of the things that I, when Iwas researching just on my own
self, what I can do, thestrategies, the techniques, what
I can do.
The strategies, the techniques,the tools was whenever there
was a book, a blog post, a radiointerview, a lecture or
something, they'd always offmore or at least often have some
sort of bullet points at theend or a top five list, or

(17:16):
here's what you can do to changeyour life.
You know a Tony Robbins kind ofthing, or whoever it was.
There's like here's things youcan do to change your life, and
they'd usually all be different,but one was one.
Pretty consistent washypnotherapy.
Always mentioned hypnotherapy,and so you see this word over
and over again, this technique,this modality, and so I started

(17:37):
looking into it and seeing whatit was about, and it sounds
fascinating Tap into thesubconscious mind, heal the
coding, if you will, thecomputer coding that may have
been installed unconsciously,maybe through traumatic event,
circumstance, situation in yourlife, and reprogramming you know
your therapist, then when youwere looking into that stuff, no

(18:00):
, no, I never specifically like,did any hypnotherapy before
that, like when I was seeingother kind of talk.
therapy is more of your, I guesswhat people would think of as a
stereotypical talk therapysession.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Right.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
So I'd never done it before, and so I specifically
sought out a hypnotherapist andwas living in kind of central
California at that point Santacruz, just south of san
francisco, and and foundsomebody to to work with and I
thought it was amazing.
I thought it was absolutelyamazing and after some time of
working on myself and practicingbecause it's not just what you

(18:42):
might do in a session, as youknow, right, and I don't mean to
tell everybody, you, steve andyour audience what you already
know, but it's like it's- notjust Some people do not know, so
it's fine to say so it's notjust that.
You go to a therapy session,whatever modality you feel is
right for you and the situationyou're in, but it's what you do

(19:02):
afterwards too.
What are you practicing, you?
Just for you and the situationyou're in, but it's what you do
afterwards too.
What are you practicing?
You know you just don't go, getto go to a personal trainer
once and then you're in shapefor the rest of your life.
You got to go to the gym everyday, or at least a couple of
times a week, uh, to keep yourbody in shape, and we expect
that.
We know that.
We know you got to eat right.
You know you got to drink yourwater.
You know we've got to exercisein some way, whether it's a

(19:23):
dance class or martial arts orwalking around the park or
whatever it is, or going to thegym.
We know that.
So what about your, youremotional health?
What about your mental health?
Why wouldn't it be the samethat, every day, you have to do
something to maintain, if notstrengthen and empower your
mental health and emotionalhealth, as well as your physical

(19:44):
health?
And so, uh, in terms of what Iwas doing, it was, of course,
some hypnotherapy to help withthe deeper pain and the deeper
wounds that I was dealing with,but along with all the other
kind of techniques andstrategies I was using in my
life at that time, I woke up onemorning I'm just like you know

(20:07):
that realize that heaviness hadbeen gone for a while.
I just, it's kind of like thereverse frog in the pot
situation.
It's just like, oh, I don'tfeel that heaviness had been
gone for a while.
I just it's kind of like thereverse frog in the pot
situation.
It's just like, oh, I don'tfeel that heaviness anymore, I
feel really good, I feel lighter, and I realized I hadn't felt
that depression and that anxietyin a really long time.
You know, it's new baby, a newtown.

(20:29):
We moved to Flagstaff Arizona,new careers, and just a new town
.
We moved to Flagstaff Arizona,new careers, and just you know
life.
And so it was a kind of an onand off, of a trial and error
kind of thing for a little bit.
But I'd realized that I'drewired myself, I rewired my
brain, I reset my nervous system, and so since then it's just

(20:49):
been this kind of exploration ofhow else can people change.
And, you know, let one thing ledto another, and this and that
and the other thing, and all ofa sudden I had the opportunity
to actually train as ahypnotherapist, and because it
just always fascinated me,especially when you look at
athletes, when you look atpeople who have been in

(21:12):
extraordinary trauma and thekind of healing that can happen.
So not only you know somethingas something as extraordinary,
as healing, as trauma, but alsolooking at, maybe, an athlete,
it's really coming down to mind.
We know how to create peakstate within the physical body,
so, and since gold medals arewon by a hundredth of a second,

(21:33):
basically nowadays, it's reallycoming down to mind.
And so looking at the workthey're doing in sports,
psychology and mental rehearsaland all these different kinds of
things, it just fascinated mebeyond belief.
And so I had the opportunity togo to the Hypnotherapy Academy
of America Before we go downthat road.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
I mean, I'm going to reiterate the question I asked
were you a therapist then whenyou started discovering
hypnotherapy and all that, orwere you working in another
field?
Or that's kind of what thequestion was.
I want to come back to it.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah, yeah, I was not a therapist.
What I had been doing was, Iguess, being an advocate for
changing your life.
I wouldn't say I was on anysort of level of Tony Robbins or
anything like that, but I hadwritten a book Again, long story
, but real quickly.
I got involved in a writingcontest with Hay House back in

(22:25):
2010 or so, and because I joineda mastermind group with some
other friends in Flagstaff andwe wanted to change the world,
it was like how can we do thatand support each other and
encourage each other and watchout for each other?
And I mentioned, yeah, there'sthis book contest.
You two should like join thisthing and write a book or

(22:46):
something.
I don't want to write a book.
Why don't you write a book?
I was like, okay, I guess youkeep talking about you know,
read out about depression, youhave all these tools and
techniques, and so I wrote aSuch a guy conversation too.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
No, you do it.
No, you do it.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
And you know it's kind of the thing.
Yeah, you know, the other twotook a step back and I was
standing in front.
I guess I'm doing it.
And so, yeah, I wrote this book.
It was those things where youhad to submit a chapter every
month and start off with 200people and then it's down to 100
people, then it's down to 50people and now it's down to 10
people, all that kind of thing,and so I made it to like the top
top five or something like that.
And while I didn't win thepublishing contract, I did get

(23:23):
my book out depression 180 and Iwas able to kind of start a
little bit of a relationshipwith hay house and got into this
book called um pearls of wisdom.
But uh, and then it was rightafter that that I was like, oh,
I can go to the hypnotherapyacademy, so that's how that
happened, and Louise Hay, who isthe Hay House person.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
I just want to mention that because I think
they still, to this day, do thatcontest.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Yeah, yeah, 2010,.
I guess it was a subsidiarycalled higher font.
I don't know if that's stillout there, but it was basically
basically hey house.
But yeah, you still do is.
It was actually really fun.
I'm sure a lot of peoplealready had their book written
and there's so many chapters,but I, every month, it was just
like this, power it out and tryto get a chapter written and

(24:11):
it's all the research and Iwanted everything referenced and
yeah, it was fun.
But I don't know that I want todo it again Like that, like
that intensely.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Well, you know I like to because I've written the
book and I know a lot of peopleask me about how to write a book
.
I'm like there's plenty of ways, plenty of opportunities,
plenty of different ways to doit.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
So that's why I want to mention that.
Yeah, you know, writing booksis fun, but I think I think what
a lot of people miss out on.
Again, there's a totallydifferent conversation for maybe
an entirely different show, butwriting your book is like five
percent of it.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
The other 95 is marketing, because you forgot
the no, no, it's 40, 45.
And you forgot about is editing, oh, editing, yeah, yeah,
editing.
The editing to me was like thetorture that I went through and
um.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
And I'll give you another big piece of advice
never go into a barnes and nobleor library or anything, because
you won't.
You're writing your book.
You walk in here and all of asudden, who are these 2 000
other books in this bookstore?
And that's just.
You know, right, that bookstorethere's.
There's millions of books andit's.
It's extraordinary, especiallynowadays with self-publishing

(25:21):
and and all the things you cando now ai check gtp and all that
kind of stuff that's a littlebit of cheating if you ask me,
but oh it's super cheating, butit's also a fun way to get
creative and so write, to write.
If you enjoy writing.
There's maybe three or fourauthors Stephen King, jk Rowling

(25:46):
, anne Rice who maybe makeserious money.
I think a bestselling book issomething like 25 000 copies.
If you sell 50 000, you'llyou'll get a second book written
, 100 000 and you are asuperstar.
So when you see these, you knowstephen king novels going for a
million copies a week.
That's, that's rare, that'spoint.

(26:07):
Zero, zero, zero, one percent.
Usually you know you're sellinga couple thousand copies if
that, and that's only if youhave your own tribe and your own
community that to send, sendthe word out to.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
I love Brene Brown and she wrote a few books, but
she'll say to herself it's notthe books that are making me
rich, is those appearancesafterwards.
Uh well, let's get back to alittle bit of hypnotherapy,
because I think that's afascinating subject.
You know, one of the thingsthat I wondered about is, with
hypnotherapy, especially withpeople with nervousness,
anxiousness, stuff like that, isthis something that you

(26:40):
recommend to those individuals?
Do you think that can behelpful for that, or do you
think that it's like now go doCBT or whatever the alphabet
soup of the week is?

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yeah, I would say, if you can find a trusted
practitioner in your area, youknow nowadays I'd learn how to
take back control of yournervous system and learn how to

(27:15):
turn off that anxiety and stress.
If it's related to something,certainly there can be some
healing there.
You know, even if some of you,it's hard to work with people if
they're schizophrenic or youknow bipolar two or something
like that.
You really need somebody whokind of has control of their
faculties.
But even with bipolar 2 andschizophrenia, you can at least

(27:36):
teach them how to relax.
You know their reset theirnervous systems, turn off the
sympathetic nervous system, thestress response, and that that
alone is extraordinarily helpfulin terms of using hypnotherapy.
The.
The issue I find with a lot ofthose other things whether it's

(27:56):
prescribed medication, somethingyou can find over the counter,
are you not just masking thesituation and that's great for
triage?
You know, if the two optionsare ending life or taking an
antidepressant or anti-anxietymedication, take the medication,
my God, take the medication.

(28:18):
Level yourself out to a pointwhere, okay, now I feel I'm able
to work on myself.
There's so much possibilitiesbecause even if you've gone
through a traumatic experiencein your life, let's say some
early childhood trauma that'squite extraordinary some sort of
abuse.
No, it wasn't fair and itshouldn't have happened to you

(28:40):
and it wasn't your fault.
But you are responsible for thecoding in your subconscious
mind.
If you will, you are allowed todo something about that.
And so it really is again.
Again, it's not your fault, butit is your responsibility.
I'm sure a lot of you haveheard that before, and what
hypnotherapy allows you to do isby bypassing that conscious

(29:03):
level of mind.
Again, this isn't talk therapy,that's a totally different,
wonderful modality that maybeshould probably be using at the
same time even.
But by bypassing that consciouslevel of mind, closing your
eyes, relaxing a little bit, youcan access that subconscious
level of mind.
And sometimes it might just beas easy to ask, even if you're

(29:26):
not sure where the anxiety iscoming from, what the anger is
all about, where the sadness ordespair is coming from, you know
where it's coming from, atleast within the unconscious
mind, behind that curtain,because while it may be
consistent and constant, it'snot all the time, I'm guessing.
There are times when there issome light, there is some joy,

(29:48):
even if it's just watching aSeinfeld rerun or something.
There's part of your day justhaving lunch with a friend at
work, even though the rest ofthe workday sucks.
There's a part of your day orgetting off work, or Friday
afternoon or whatever there's apart of your day, part of your
week where you're maybe nothurting, and so you know it
doesn't happen all the time.
There's only a certain triggerswithin your environment.

(30:10):
There's a lot of triggers, butthere's only a certain amount of
triggers.
You may not know what they are,but your subconscious mind does
.
That's why you keep gettingtriggered and these warning
signals coming up, the anxiety,the anger, trying to warn you
that there's danger.
They're not unlike, maybe, afire alarm in a building.
Right, you know someone.
Pulls that fire alarm, sirensgo off, the lights go off.

(30:31):
Pulls that fire alarm, sirensgo off, the lights go off,
warning everybody there's danger.
You need to get to safety.
We also have a warning system.
That feeling state of anxietyis the brain dumping all those
chemicals into your bloodstreamto change the feeling state in
your body to warn you thatthere's danger.
Problem is if you just getcomplacent about it and it just
feels like you're wearing aheavy, uncomfortable coat and

(30:53):
you just get used to it.
But you don't have to get usedto.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
You know, you don't have to wear that coat or over
sensitive to that anxiety orwhatever's around you is also
the opposite, but also astroublesome yeah, yeah, and so
you're.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
You're allowed to change the coding in your
subconscious mind.
You're allowed Technically andthis isn't to blame the victim,
this isn't to say it was yourfault, not to say it was fair or
anything like that buttechnically you're the one who
put it in there, even as a child, unconsciously, through a
traumatic event, extraordinarilytraumatic event.
That coding of being hurt, ofbeing wounded, was placed in

(31:32):
there by you and for rightreasons, right, and it was to
keep you safe.
And maybe the best thing as achild you could have done is
keep yourself small and keepyourself hidden, because that
was the best thing to do to keepyou safe.
Right, but not as an adult.
That's not going to workanymore.
But if that coding's still inthere, why would anything change

(31:53):
?
You're allowed to change it.
You're the one who put that inthere.
And when you realize if you'rethe one who put that in there,
it becomes very empoweringbecause well, then you can
change it.
You don't have to askpermission, you don't have to
have somebody else tell you whatyour problem is and then tell
you how to fix it.
If you're the one who put it inthere as a child, unconsciously

(32:16):
, what can you do as an adult,fully awake, right, you know,
becomes really empowering very,very strong statement and say,
yeah, I can, I can heal, you'reloud, you, you have the right,
you have the power, you have theability to do it.
It's, I think, a lot of peopleget stuck.
A lot of people kind of spintheir wheels because they don't
know what the problem is.
Not your conscious mind, butyour subconscious knows exactly

(32:36):
what it is.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Well, I go back to a couple of things.
I just want to complete alittle bit of what you're saying
.
Uh, if you don't mind, uh, forme I, I tell people like, well,
if you get beaten every day bymom, dad, brother, sister,
doesn't really matter, but youthink that's normal for everyone
else and your mind will take inas this is normal.
And when you go outside of that, when you're 20, 21, 25, 30,

(33:02):
whatever, like, wait a minute,that's not normal.
No, oh, I can rewire my brain.
Or you're talking abouthypnotherapy.
Obviously I like to talk aboutalso neuroplasticity as another
way to do it, but I think thatwhat I?
I think I wanted to put that inbecause I think people don't
understand that if you're, youget used to be beaten every day,
for you that's normal, becauseyou're not going to go tell your

(33:23):
friends, hey, did you getbeaten yesterday?
No, you just assume it's normal.
And when you have thosereaction as an adult, someone
has a loud noise, someone raisestheir voice or what have you.
These are all unconsciousthings that make you react.
But with hypnotherapy, amongother things, I think that
that's what you can change,right?
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah, You're constantly changing your
perceptions of your world.
Let's go to athletes just as ageneral example.
You may be a great athlete,maybe always winning the gold or
world championships or whateverit is, but there may be that
one time when I don't knowexample, if you're a baseball

(34:05):
player and you're a pitcher, youpitch, you pitch for years and
years and years, and then thatone time the ball comes straight
at you and knocks you in thehead.
What's that going to do to yourconfidence?
What's going to do that fear?
Are you now going to you know?
Is that going to change thecoding in your system so now
you're throwing differently?
Are you afraid to even get upon the mound, Because that

(34:27):
probably hurt, having a hundredmile an hour ball drilled into
your head?

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Right.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
And so is that fear going to affect your play in any
way, let alone something in inbusiness, in your relationships,
and just just life as a father,as a mother, as a brother,
sister you know, son, daughter.
Anything can change yourperception of life.
Here's a great example of howwe think.

(34:55):
We're in kind of in charge ofour perceptions too.
This is is a wild researchstudy that was done where some
actors went into a park likeCentral Park or one of these big
parks where people hang out onbenches and read newspapers and
magazines and books and things,and what they would do is these
actors would go up to the peoplethey saw that were just hanging

(35:16):
out there and they would sitdown next to them and they had a
cup of coffee.
They say I hate to bother you,but would you mind holding my
coffee?
I need to text my mom reallyquick.
She's in the hospital.
Oh yeah, I'll hold your coffee.
Half the people had iced coffee, the other half people had hot
coffee.
The person texted on theirphone and they put it back in
their pocket.

(35:36):
Thank you, grabbed the coffeeand walked off.
About a half an hour later, aresearcher would wander by with
a clipboard saying hey, excuseme, I see you're sitting here.
We're doing a research studyabout this story on this piece
of paper.
It takes about two minutes toread and there's two questions
we want to ask.
I'll give you $20 for threeminutes of your time and so sure

(35:59):
you know most of the peoplewould do about something like 97
, 98.
Of course they're the peoplewho just held the coffee a half
an hour before and they wouldread this story.
And the two questions wereabout the character, traits and
attributes of the main characterand the people who held the
iced coffee 81% described themain character as cold and aloof

(36:21):
.
80% of the people who held thehot coffee described them as
warm and engaging.
So it has nothing really to dowith your own perception of the
world and there's a greatmarketing tip for it.
If you're having a meeting withinvestors for your business or
clients or some enema, hotchocolate or hot coffee or hot

(36:42):
tea or hot cider or something,they'll feel that you are a warm
person, an engaging person.
Never hand them an ice drinkand so.
But we feel that a lot of timeswe are in control of our own
perceptions and we're not Right.
And that's just a recentresearch study.
There's hundreds and hundredsand hundreds that have been done
over the last, you know, 60years or so.

(37:03):
And so we see that with thenews, and we see that with
commercials, we see that withpoliticians.
They know how to manipulate,they know how to influence, and
if we can do it as somebody ahot drink or a cold drink then
what else is happening in ourworld?
And so, when you really have tobe aware of your surroundings,

(37:25):
you know what is influencing you.
What podcasts are you listeningto?
What music are you listening to?
What news are you listening to?

Speaker 2 (37:37):
I've got to share a little bit before we go on,
because one of my favoritethings and I saw this, I didn't
believe it because I saw it onthe TV show and I'm like TV
shows, right, it was on the TVshow was why Am I Blanking?
I'll figure it out as we talk,but he talked it was a lawyer
who said you know, we're wellread and we've observed that

(37:58):
some people sometimes strugglewith the color red.
And they kept on using red atdifferent points one day in
court, and then the next daythey said you know, do we
receive subconscious messages?
The answer is yes, becauseyesterday I said red five times,
six times, can't remember thenumber.
He says and look at all of you,what color are you all wearing?

(38:20):
in some way, everyone waswearing red that's wild and I'm
like that's a tv show, right,it's not true.
No, there's a research thatshows that.
That if you say like and Ican't remember all the words,
but it was like, well, read,read about, and they kept on
using the word red and theyreally tapped into the

(38:42):
unconscious and everyone worered and that was something as a
research study that I saw um, sofor me it's like reminding
myself that we absorbunconscious messages, you know,
and the hardest part is that Ithink, consciously, sometimes we
can challenge them.
Sometimes it's hard for us tochallenge them and it's
realizing that that's part ofour job, whether, as you know,

(39:04):
for me as a therapist, as you asa hypnotherapist, is that we
got to challenge thoseunconscious thoughts that we
have on a regular basis.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Yeah, and then it goes towards and I might not
phrase this quite right butaren't we the sum total of the
five people we hang out with themost, something like that.
And so so who are you hangingout with?
What might be family,especially if you're younger and
, uh, still still living at home, but you know who?
What are your friends tellingyou?
You know?
And this is especially withguys, there's that whole thing

(39:35):
of gotta insult each other and,I don't know, make each other
kind of feel bad.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
But no, I think that that's what you know.
Maybe you know we can switchgears here.
We talked a lot about thisstuff, but one of the things
that you know I one of my, oneof my clients recently and this
is something that I wanted toask you is that I just want to
get rid of stress.
I always want to be happy, orsomething to that effect.
And I had said, on atherapeutic standpoint, I'm like

(40:02):
if you're always happy, you'llnever know what happiness is.
You need to know bad stuff.
And then I talked about stress.
I'm like we need stress.
In my experience is that andagain I'm going to turn to you
for this question too but whatI've said to him is like the day
I stop having some stress in mybody is the day I'm dead, and I

(40:22):
think that stress can behelpful.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
But I was wondering what your thoughts were on that
in terms of stress in the bodyand the mind, even it can be
very helpful.
Uh, back in the 1920s, Ibelieve, maybe in the 1930s uh,
there's two psychotherapists, Ibelieve, or at least researchers
of behavior, and they createdwhat they call the Yerkes-Dodson

(40:45):
law of arousal.
Now, the idea being is that weneed a little bit of arousal,
stress just to get out of bed inthe morning.
It's that pressure of knowingthat report is due on, you know,
at the end of the morning.
It's that pressure of knowingthat report is due at the end of
the week.
It's the pressure of knowingyou're going to meet with
investors for your new business,maybe tomorrow to get that

(41:09):
PowerPoint done.
Who wants to sit and do aPowerPoint presentation?
Who wants to write the nextchapter of their book if they're
not really into writing?
So it's a little bit ofpressure maybe from the
publisher, a little bit ofpressure from the meeting that's
coming up, a little bit ofpressure that the homework is
due, that actually gets us going.
Now, that doesn't mean you haveto be stressed and anxious to

(41:29):
the point of panic, but you doneed that little bit of stress,
a little bit of adrenaline goingto get to the starting line so
you can win the race.
And so what they found isthere's this curve in terms of
performance and stress level.
Performance and stress levelthere's a curve that, yeah,

(41:50):
right around here, is a greatplace to be in terms of arousal.
It gets you to the finish line.
It gets you, it gets the workdone.
It gets you to the finish line.
It gets you, it gets the workdone right.
But when it it peaks and goesto the other end, it's like then
you got fatigue, then you gotexhaustion, then you got panic,
then you got stress and your,your your work, suffers, right?

(42:13):
You're not breathing well, soless oxygen is literally less
oxygen is going to your brain.
The brain takes 20 of theoxygen you breathe in.
If you're not breathing wellbecause you're filled with
anxiety and and panic and you'retired and you're exhausted, of
course your work's going tosuffer.
So a little bit of stress isnecessary just to again get out
of bed in the morning, get thekids off to school and and uh,

(42:34):
get to work on time doesn't meanit has to be uh drudgery.
It can be fun.
You can be singing yourfavorite songs with your kids
while you're doing it all, butit does need a certain sense of
again what they call arousal to,to get to the point of
excelling.
But once you reach that peak,now you've gone into, uh, you're

(42:58):
breaking down and and to thepoint where you're burned out
and you're not going to do yourgood work and so, yeah, stress
is necessary.
I don't think we're ever goingto get rid of it.
I don't know that you need orwant to get rid of anxiety and
fear.
I mean, fear is that thing thatkeeps us from walking down the
dark alley at midnight, eventhough it's a shortcut home.

(43:20):
No, take to the lighted streets, keep to the crowded streets,
and I may be able to take you 15minutes to walk home a little
bit longer.
Don't walk down the dark alley,don't?
You know?
Here in the, at least down inthe Southwest, down in Southern
Arizona, it would not be unusualto be walking on in nature and
a beautiful trail out in thedesert.
And it would not be unusual tobe walking on in nature and a

(43:41):
beautiful trail out in thedesert and there's a rattlesnake
in the trail.
It's not your friend.
Don't walk towards it and petit.
You see a baby bear cub out inthe forest.
Don't walk towards it.
That fear and that anxiety isgoing to keep you away from that
.
That's the warning system, thesafety protocol set up to keep
us alive.
Don't stand so close to theedge of the Grand Canyon.
The fear is there for a reasonand so I don't know that you

(44:03):
want to get rid of it.
It's just like those.
I don't know if this is a realmedical condition.
I've seen it on, you know,pictorialized medical shows and
things, but people who can'tfeel pain.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Yes, that's a true thing actually.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
And so you know, of course, they're going to have
more broken bones, they're goingto have more burns on them
because they don't know they'retouching a hot pot.
They don't know they'retouching the hot stove.
And so that's what the pain isfor, that's what the stress is
for.
We're not distressed, but theanxiety is for.

(44:38):
The fear is for is to keep ussafe and alive and protected.
So to a certain extent, youdon't want to get rid of it, but
on the other hand, you need tomake it work for you.
You need to be in control of it, not the other way around.
And when you're feeling thatanxiety and the stress, that's a
good time to sit and think okay, what is in my environment that
is causing the anxiety, thepanic, the fear?

(44:59):
And don't wait till it's alevel 10.
You know, catch this stuff whenit's a two, three, right, right
in that level of this ismanageable, something's going on
.
Oh, it's because I got thatspeech tomorrow at the big
meeting and I don't feelprepared.
Okay, now know, you need toprepare more for that speech.

(45:20):
Does that mean finding somepeople to practice with?
Does that mean working more onyour PowerPoint presentation?
Do you need to hire somebody tohelp you with what you need to
do, because that that's a signalthat there's something not
right.
Don't ignore it, because then itgets to a level 10.
When it gets to a level 11,then then it may be too late and

(45:43):
you are in that breakdown area.
You're in that panic and thenyou're not thinking rationally.
So if you can catch this stuffwhen, when it's a two and that's
a, that's right, where youyou're able to ignore it too,
like, ah, it's a two and I gottaget the kids from school, and
but if you can catch that stuffearly on, you can.

(46:03):
It's a great learning tool.
You know a lot of people, uh,the whole.
You know the big one, that oneof the big fears that people
have is fear of public speaking,and so the most common one,
isn't it?
yeah, yeah, it's even somethingridiculous, more than death or
something, yeah, and so ifthat's still a thing and so the

(46:24):
uh, the fear of public speaking,a big part of that is just
you're not practiced enough tofeel comfortable, right, I'm,
you know.
Listen to tony robbins talkabout his early days.
He was really nervous and hewas not very good.
Listen to any public speaker.
They all started off atToastmasters or or doing poorly
at the big meeting and things,and they practiced and they

(46:46):
practiced and they practiced andthey practiced.
Listen to any actor no, I wasterrible when I started.
Any dancer.
You know any musician I thinkJimmy Page.
Or you know Eddie Van Halen, orwhoever the great guitar
players are.
You think they were awesomewhen they took their first
guitar lesson.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Go listen to episode one of Finding your Way Through
Therapy.
You'll see I've evolved yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Yeah.
And so, in terms of publicspeaking, not only can, of
course, you can use hypnotherapyto help with the confidence, to
allay some of those fears, someof that anxiety and that panic,
especially if, let's say, backin the sixth grade, you went up
to do your history report infront of class and it didn't go

(47:27):
very well because your modelfell apart and you stammered and
you forgot what you're supposedto say and all the kids laughed
and yeah, that's embarrassing,it's humiliating, and maybe they
started mocking you bystuttering for the next couple
of weeks because kids are mean.
And so you've associated nowthat being in front of people is

(47:49):
dangerous.
So, yeah, 20, 25 years later,30 years later, and you got to
get up and do the presentationat the big meeting in front of
the investors.
So, yeah, you're going to bescared and nervous because your
mind's screaming at you.
Yeah, that's a dangeroussituation.
30 years ago in the sixth grade, everybody laughed at you.
So you don't want to do thatagain.
Your mind is for you.
Your subconscious, yourconscious mind, your mind is for

(48:12):
you.
It may not seem like thatsometimes, but it's 100% on your
side.
It's just trying to protect you, it's trying to keep you safe.
It's for your survival, andyour survival is this filing
cabinet of all the hurt and painyou've been through, the
humiliation, the embarrassment,the shame, the guilt it's all in

(48:33):
that filing cabinet.
You're filtering your life, allthe things you see, smell,
taste, touch here through yourday.
You're filtering it throughthat.
If anything registers one ofthose files, you'll get the
warning signals.
They'll turn on and they'llcome in the form of anxiety or
anger or fear.
And the big thing again withpublic speaking is like okay,

(48:57):
that happened.
That's something that can bedealt with with hypnotherapy.
But the kind of part two ofthat is now you need to practice
being a public speaker.
If that's going to be yourthing, right, do you need to go
to toastmasters?
You need to create your owngroup.
Do you need to get your friendstogether so you can practice
three, four or five times beforethe meeting.
You know, just don't don, justdon't write it the night before

(49:21):
and hope it's going to go well.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
You know, while we were talking, I actually looked
it up it's called congenialinsensitivity to pain and I
don't even, I can't evenpronounce the last word.
But it's how rare, is it?
One out of 125 million people,whoa, so it is a real thing.
It is, however, extremely rare.
I mean in the US.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
Is it a genetic thing ?

Speaker 2 (49:45):
or is it a brain thing?
It's a disorder of the geneticsWhoa Usually associated,
unfortunately, with people withdevelopmental disabilities.
Wow that is crazy.
Just wanted to show thatbecause you know I'm looking at
the time.
We already did almost an hour.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
I know we're just yapping away Half an hour.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
I love this it's great to talk to people who are
very interesting, and I like tohave the dialogues around that
but what I'd like you to do isto maybe tell people how maybe
to reach you if you got anythingthat you want.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
But what I'd like you to do is to maybe tell people
how, maybe to reach you if yougot anything.
Yeah, well, the the name of mypractice is arizona integrative
hypnotherapy, though, like Isaid you know, nowadays I work
with people around the countryand get you know technically
around the world.
Uh, with zoom connections andall that.
Uh, it's very safe, it's verywonderful way of doing it
because you don't have to driveacross town on a friday
afternoon to get to yourappointment.

(50:40):
Uh, works very well.
And what the research says?
That's interesting.
A lot of sociological researchabout zoom one-on-one sessions
whether it's talk therapy orhypnotherapy or doctor's
appointment is zoom sessionswork as well as in person and
some studies even show worksbetter than because of that idea
that you're relaxed, you'recomfortable, you feel safe in

(51:00):
your homes.
But I know that was a mouthfulwith Arizona integrative
hypnotherapy, but I live inFlagstaff, arizona, so if you
just search on Google Flagstaffhypnosis, you'll see me pop up.
Another real easy way is I havea test anxiety course, ace Any
Test, a-a-t, ace, any Test.
So if you just go toaceanytestcom you can email me

(51:23):
from there as well Just to geton the phone and talk with
people.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
I'm going to put the link in the show notes so people
can reach you.
And yeah, for the record, Ijoke around with it's no longer
a joke.
But I have been doing Zoom, oronline counseling, for about
nine years now and I tell peopleI did it before.
The kids thought it was cool,so I know it works.
It doesn't work for everyone Iget that too but it does

(51:48):
definitely work.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
No, I get it.
I understand wanting to do itin person.
I enjoy doing it in person.
You know I like thatface-to-face, but you know it's
like I had the opportunity.
This is no joke.
I worked with a professionalbasketball player the other day
from Iceland.
Yeah, cool, it's just like thisis extraordinary, you know.
Or Vienna, or I literallyworked with somebody in Bulgaria
at the American Universitythere, and it's just like it's

(52:11):
just extraordinary.
You get the time zone right,man, it's amazing.
Or you know people fromFlagstaff.
They move to wherever Austin orMiami or New York or wherever
and it's like man let's keepworking.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
The portability is there, but I got, so I really
appreciate your time and I lookforward to talking to you again,
hopefully, yeah, you too, steve.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
I really appreciate it, thank you.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Well, that completes episode 182.
I really appreciate you, Craig.
Thank you so much for coming onFinding your Way Through
Therapy.
Episode 183 will be a review ofthe year.
I don't always get a chance todo it, but this year we're going
to do it.
There's a lot of stuff.
It's also a lot of stuff thatI've been thinking about, and I
think I'm going to start talkingabout a few changes I want to

(52:54):
make.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
I think I've dropped some hints here and there, but I
hope you come back and listento that episode.
With a mental health orsubstance abuse issue, please
reach out to a professionalcounselor for consultation.
If you are in a mental healthcrisis, call 988 for assistance.
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