Mystical Initiations, Non-Human Intelligence, and The Cracking of Reality

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Anthony (00:00):
And it's all happening like instantaneously, but also
like infinitely, like time wasblurred, and then this being is
materializing in front of me,and this being has a falcon or a
hawk for a head.

Boutaina (00:13):
I ended up opening the door to freaking UFOs and NHI.

Anthony (00:22):
We plan on bringing on other experiencers like
ourselves, a long list ofscientists, of academics, of
scholars of different types whoapproach this field.

Boutaina (00:31):
We want to validate their perspectives and we want
again to bridge the gap in theconversations that are taking
place, because a lot of people,through programming, think and
are very territorial about theirtopics.

Anthony (00:55):
Hi, hello, welcome to Obliterate the Construct.

Boutaina (00:58):
Welcome.

Anthony (01:00):
This is a new podcast that we just launched.
My name is Anthony Miller.
This is my co-host.

Boutaina (01:06):
My name is Boutaina Marhrim.

Anthony (01:09):
And, yeah, this is the first time either of us do this.
We feel called to do this witha lot of things going on with us
, with the world around us andin our cosmos.
So just a bit about myself.
I am a first generationimmigrant.

(01:29):
My family came to this countryfrom Lebanon when I was a kid,
fleeing, unfortunately,post-civil War era in the
country, still a lot of horriblethings going on right now in
that part of the world.
Still a lot of horrible thingsgoing on right now in that part
of the world.

(01:54):
So, yeah, I mean coming to thiscountry I grew up with, I was
raised as a practicing Catholic.
That religious upbringing in apretty conservative household
really shaped my worldview atthat time and even though I
moved away from that as I gotolder, a lot of the, the
mystical elements of thereligion and the spirituality
and the supernatural still playa role in my, in my worldview

(02:17):
and in my framing and some ofthese topics.
So, yeah, I mean my professionhas been for about 15 years now,
since college.
My academic background is ininternational relations and
public policy and professionallyI've been working as an open

(02:41):
source intelligence analyst.
For those that aren't familiarwith what that means essentially
it's media and social mediaanalysis and situational
awareness through media that isavailable in the public sphere.
So all of it.

Boutaina (02:57):
Yeah, all of the internet, yeah, yeah, and beyond
, yeah.

Anthony (03:02):
But it's been focused primarily on geopolitical issues
and sociopolitical issues andsome commercial issues Never in
this space, unfortunately.
So this has always remainedlike a side interest of mine.
So why don't you tell us a bitabout yourself until you know?

Boutaina (03:20):
Oh, where do I start?
So, originally born and raisedin Morocco, and then I moved to
the States because my dad washere and I've been here ever
since with my family, it was alittle bit challenging at the
beginning.
You know, coming from Morocco,different culture, different I

(03:43):
come from a, a Muslim family andthen growing up here and just
trying to make sense of theworld, you know, I grew up with
Bush and just really notunderstanding the power dynamic
that the US has with othercountries, and so I grew up in a
just very political sphere herein Washington DC.
And then, you know, I went tocollege, got a business degree,

(04:06):
got marketing because I'm notinto math, so I wanted to do the
easiest thing and also focus onpsychology.
Then I just pursued marketingand market research.
After that worked for smallercompanies and then eventually
focused on big tech, where it'sa lot of narrative building and

(04:27):
a lot of just kind of trackingconversations that are primarily
politically based, both hereand across the globe.
And now I'm in a completelydifferent arena.
It's still tech but a lot moretechnical, which is very fun.
And yeah, I had no business inthis world, like in this

(04:54):
specific arena, until I woke upto my own experiences, whereas
for you.

Anthony (05:01):
Yeah.

Boutaina (05:01):
So you were kind of dragged into it and I went
looking for it, right yeah, Igot dragged to this country and
I of dragged into it and I wentlooking for it, right, yeah, I,
I got dragged to this countryand I got dragged into this
world and I just kind of tryingto make sense of what's going on
.

Anthony (05:12):
Versus, for you, it's more, you know yeah, yeah, so I
can get into that.

Boutaina (05:18):
Yeah, very uh, curious , george.

Anthony (05:20):
Yeah, yeah um, yeah, so professionally, because I I was
in open source analysis andintel um, a lot of what I looked
, looked, looked at, like youmentioned, is around this
concept of narratives andnarratives in in the media and
social media.
So essentially, like the, thestories that are told through
the use of language, um in in innews reporting, in social media

(05:46):
, and the shaping of publicperception, the shaping of
worldviews and mentalities, andthe constructs that are shaped
and conditioned through the useof language in the media and
social media, and then the echochambers that kind of take on
their own life as they're formedfrom these.

Boutaina (06:07):
And we've seen so many , yeah, yeah.

Anthony (06:10):
And you know, some of it is based, in fact, the use of
disinformation, the use ofmisinformation is prevalent
geopolitically.
So that was.
That was kind of theenvironment I was in
professionally.
And then 2017 rolled around andthe New York Times article
drops by Leslie Kane, ralphBlumenthal and Helene Cooper

(06:32):
profiling Lilo Zondo and thesecret Pentagon program.

Boutaina (06:36):
And we just met her.
I don't know about you, but Ijust met her in person at the
Senate, leslie, yes, yes.

Anthony (06:42):
So yeah, she's great, the secret Pentagon UFO program.
And initially when I first sawit I was like oh yeah, I kind of
already knew this.
Like I watched the X-Filesgrowing up I was like there's
probably something going on.
I believed in UFOs, I believedin aliens, quote, unquote.

Boutaina (07:03):
But you know they're here.

Anthony (07:04):
Yeah, so what we're going to get into as we go on
through this podcast is thisdifference between belief and
like keeping things at arm'slength, and then what happens
when you actually are confrontedwith the reality of these
things and how it reshapes yourontology and your understanding
of reality.

Boutaina (07:24):
And also just you as a person.
You know your personalitychanges Obviously.
The way you interact withyourself and other people
changes as well.
Yeah, yeah, and obviously yourperception of the world.
Yeah, and your own abilities.
Like for me, it was justknowing that I can do so much
more, because I'm now aware ofso much more.

Anthony (07:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So yeah, I mean initially Ijust kind of forgot about the
article and I was in my 20s andI was in my 30s by that point.
You're so old, thank you.

Boutaina (08:02):
I always tell them you're old, yes, um.

Anthony (08:06):
I was in my in my early thirties at that time and, um,
you know I was as everyone else.
You're distracted by theroutine and the cycles of life,
and that's one thing we're goingto get into, as well as how
these, uh, the, the, the issuesand the priorities we have to
deal with in our physicalreality, and how those can kind

(08:27):
of keep you bogged down in somethings and prevent you from
experiencing a wider and, insome cases, more beautiful
reality.

Boutaina (08:38):
Well, because you're plugged into the matrix, right,
and so it shapes your ownreality.
And what is the matrix?
The matrix is basically justthis world that we live in,
where the media and people inpower and institutions are
including religious institutionsare basically shaping your
worldview of what is and what isnot.

(08:59):
Yeah, so that is that.

Anthony (09:03):
Yeah, yeah, I mean there's different words for it,
and I mean the notion of theconstruct with the name of our
podcast is specifically relatedto that.
Some people call it the overculture.
Um, so it's.

Boutaina (09:15):
You know, we're talking about the same things
here and uh, it's important toto note that, and the use of
language is also important, sowe can start, you know breaking
down what we mean by things, tosee how, how similar, uh, we are
in a lot of ways, despite, youknow, the, the conditioning that
we have, that could bedifferent and and for me it's

(09:37):
it's also about the realitiesthat you choose to subscribe to
versus not right like somepeople who are much more
politically involved see theworld in such a completely
different way versus someonewho's not politically involved,
someone who's religious and whois not, someone who's, like,
involved in their communityversus someone who's not right
Like you are basically puttingon different lenses and that

(10:01):
really shapes everything, butalso it shapes your again, your
identity.

Anthony (10:08):
It does and, if you notice, everything that Buteyan
has provided is kind of providedin this dualistic perspective.
It's like one or the other andit does highlight these
differences.
But what we've come toexperience and find out is that,
you know, in reality there's somany underlying things that
connect us all that can breakthrough the walls that are put

(10:34):
up between these dualities andthese different constructs that
we have.

Boutaina (10:49):
Yeah, I think the essence of the game is dual, but
it's much more than that, yeah.
But also I wanted to note that,like, we all also live in our
own little bubble, right, likewhat you do every day, how you
dress, like what you're payingattention to on social media,
what you're consuming literallyfood or music or whatnot also
shapes your own little bubblethat you need to be aware of.
So this podcast is aboutbursting your little bubble and
letting you know that it's muchbigger than that and it's a
completely fun, yetuncomfortable process to go

(11:15):
through, and it's never ending,because it's a cycle of you
becoming more and more aware ofwho you are and therefore your
environment and therefore theworld and the cosmos and your
relationship to it and whatwe're trying to dissect here for
you to take and run with it.

(11:36):
We're not telling you what isand what is not.
We're simply showing you andyou're allowed to subscribe or
not, right?
It's?
At the end of the day, we allshare the same essence.
We're all humans and we're, allyou know, a fabric of love.
And so what is love, right?
Like, not the definition oflike falling in love with

(11:59):
someone, or like doing thingsfor someone you care about one
like truly.
If the fabric of consciousnessis love, what is love?

Anthony (12:08):
yeah, like unconditional love, like at the
center.
Yeah, connecting andinterconnecting right um yeah,
um yeah so, yeah, let's, let'sget into it.
Um, so yeah, but, by the way,so we're?
Yeah, we are both experiencers.
Um, we're not here to tell youwhat to believe, what to think.
As Buteyana said, we have ourown approaches to these

(12:31):
phenomena through experience,through external conditioning
and approaches and worldviews,so what we want to do is to try
to we have differentperspectives.
Oh yeah, we do.

Boutaina (12:43):
Yeah, of course, as a woman as a different experiencer
, and we're also here trying toshow you that, outside of the
knowledge that everyone's tryingto gain and prove physically,
the experiences that one has aregoing to be completely
different.
And so it's very important that, when we are talking about our
own experiences, and that whenwe are talking about our own

(13:05):
experiences, and that when weare hosting people and having
them talk about their ownexperiences, it's important to
not label those experiences andthat, you know, based on that
person's reality and whatthey're experiencing, it's going
to look much more differentthan someone else, but the
essence of it is we're alltrying to capture a message from

(13:25):
that experience.
Yeah, right, to then puttogether, because it's a puzzle,
to then kind of try to see thisbigger image.
Why are we here?
What are we doing?
Who are these different beingsoutside of, you know, non-human
intelligence?
They don't mind being calledaliens, by the way, like, but
they're not alien and we're notalien, right?

Anthony (13:45):
So what is our relationship?
And there's so many of them, somany possibilities and so many
experiences that are documentedthat we're not here to label it.

Boutaina (13:55):
And it's much more than that.
It's also understanding thatthere are different types of
beings, including plants.
They're conscious conscious,like everything is conscious.
So how do we deconstructconsciousness?
Yeah because this is literallyjust all a living being yeah so
what is going on?

Anthony (14:15):
yeah, yeah, so we're again.
We're not, we're not, we're notexperts.
Uh, you know, we, as everyeveryone, everyone in our
audience, and us too as welllike we all have our own areas
of expertise.
Some are more well versed indifferent ones.
So we're not here to tell youlike this means that, and you

(14:36):
know, this equals that, or thisbeing is exactly that.
Think, in my opinion, likeanyone who you come across in
this field, in space, that tellsyou they know exactly what is
going on and they know what thatbeing is and you know where
it's from and exactly what thismeans for humanity.
They are either, you know, bsingyou or they've been bs'd, yeah,

(14:57):
or their ego, or their ego islike inflated to the point where
they think they know theanswers to everything oh my god,
and that's the whole we're.

Boutaina (15:04):
We're not here to do that.
We're learners simply sharingwhat we're learning and we're
trying to have fun with it.
Um, because for me, as anexperiencer again, I was not
pursuing this at all.
I was minding my business and Iwas like, oh, maybe there are
aliens.
And I like, literally r slashaliens.
And I was like, you know, I dobelieve in something that's much

(15:26):
bigger than me and we're hereto learn and we're helping you
learn what we've learned, whichis, the more you learn, the more
we really realize that you gotto learn more and we have no
idea what is what is out there.
And the first way to for me tofigure out what's out there is

(15:46):
to figure out who.
Am I right?

Anthony (15:49):
so to see what's outward is to explore what's
inward yeah, the more I mean I'mseeing it more and more with
experiencers that I'm connectedto as well in my own experience
that there is this uh blurringof the lines that has taken
place and you come to realize,between the internal and the
external, the subjective and theobjective, like the occult

(16:12):
saying as above so below there'sa lot of reality in that it's
not fully true, all right yeah,I guess we'll have to hear about
that, but it is.
It's as much like all of thiswhat's going on with disclosure
and, but you know it's.
It is like it's as much likeall this what's going on with
disclosure and all these.
You know these, these thingshappening that we think are
beyond us and out of our control.

(16:33):
You'd be surprised, I think, torealize how much you know
what's happening inside of youand the shadow and the things
that you're overcoming and thethings you're learning and the
awakening that's inside of you,how much that plays a role in in
the reality that's manifestingand being created outside of you
yeah, um, and also the, therelationship of disclosure,

(16:57):
which is us trying to understandwhat is going on, um, and where
do we come from, to a certaindegree, because that's really
the essence of it.

Boutaina (17:06):
So, if we're gonna, if they've been here or over there
, like, do they know of us andwhat do they know about us?
Right, I think it's.
It's really just us trying tofigure out who we are and where
we stand in this world, but alsoits relationship, like our
relationship with theinstitutions that run the show,

(17:29):
right.
So we're going to go a lot intodefense, because the defense
system has tentacles and thereare shadows, right, and what are
those shadows?
And a lot of people are comingout of those shadows,
whistleblowers, experiencers, um, sharing their unique

(17:50):
experiences to let us know, youknow oh yeah, fun times ahead,
yeah, all right, so yeah, um,you know so I what got me really
into this?

Anthony (18:02):
after the New York Times article came out, which I
had no idea about.

Boutaina (18:06):
I literally had never picked up on anything and, as
someone who was alsopassionately and chronically
online, never picked up on it,but at the time I was in college
.
Yeah, that'll do it.

Anthony (18:24):
Yeah, it's interesting.
A lot of people missed that andeven with the grudge hearings
last year a lot of people missedthat as well.
That was big.
For me, it's interesting whatgrabs and really takes hold of
someone's attention in thistopic, and we'll be getting into
that as well.
So, yeah, for me, after the NewYork Times article, I went

(18:46):
years not really payingattention, except when COVID hit
and it became this like suddenshock to the routine and this
over culture that we mentionedearlier.
For a lot of people, covid wasthat shock that happened.
Oh, absolutely.
It really like it broke downthe routine, the things we were

(19:08):
used to.
It messed with therelationships.
It caused a lot of things.

Boutaina (19:14):
And a lot of the awakenings that happened
happened during COVID.

Anthony (19:17):
Yeah, exactly.

Boutaina (19:18):
Because it was there to help us propel.
Whatever your belief is, ithelped us propel right.
Remote work and all of that wasnot there.
The technological advancementswere not there and it just
helped people, you know, as theywere sitting in their bubble,
kind of burst out of it.

Anthony (19:34):
Yeah, I mean, I like to call it not me though.
Well, I like to call COVID likea, like a, a miniature but
global near death experience,like a traumatic experience that
that like shocked people to thecore in certain ways and like
shattered, shattered a littlepiece of them, um, and for some,

(19:57):
for a lot of people, I think,like that little shattered piece
created a little opening, foryou know, some form of awakening
to begin some truth to come in,yeah, yeah, so for me, in in
that process I began, whichcoincided with a, with an ankle
injury that I need to rehab.

(20:17):
So I started going for theselong walks during the pandemic
and, and you know, becoming moreintrospective and I was, like
you know, let me, let me getback into this ufo topic that I
was into when I was younger uh,and there's these things called
podcasts now, so let me, let mejust start listening to these
while I'm going on thesehour-long walks.
And I started listening in like2021, I heard about this book

(20:43):
called skinwalkers at thepentagon, um, that someone was
talking about, and I found outthat it was this actual, like
dia funded program through thepentagon at this ranch in utah
skinwalker ranch, where allthese insane things were
happening around the story youwere telling me about yeah, yeah

(21:05):
, around the UFO phenomenon.
You need to look into that.
Yeah, around the UFO phenomenon, which originally I was just
pursuing from like a nuts andbolts perspective, like there's
this craft in the sky andpotential aliens in them.
And now you know, this bookstarts talking about all these
high strangeness and paranormalthings that are happening at the
same time and that really gotme thinking about all these

(21:28):
possible connections aroundthese phenomena.
Yeah, um, it connected withpotential like supernatural
experiences that I, that I wasfamiliar with growing up in a
catholic, uh, environment.
um, the mystical experiences,yeah, yeah the mystical
experiences that so manycultures, from indigenous to all
over the world, haveexperienced, um, and then I

(21:50):
started getting into theconnections of, like you know,
um, shamanistic practices andplant medicines and really
explored it.
Yeah, Altered states ofconsciousness of all sorts, um
from near death experiences toout ofbody experiences, to lucid
dreaming.
All of these things seem tohave something in common and I
came to realize it wasconsciousness At the center of

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everything.
The common denominator isconsciousness, and the more I
dug into this UFO phenomenon,the more I realized that there
is something deeper about thenature of reality and what it
could mean for us and who we are.

Boutaina (22:29):
Very interesting.
Yeah, so I started off withconsciousness.
So for me, my experiences wereduring the pandemic, if we're
starting off from there.
So I grew up in a culture wherewe definitely believe in
mystical things, right, like thejinns and angels, and all of
that because we're muslim and so, because I had been removed

(22:51):
from my land and from theculture, I was really in that
bubble where I only came home tothat and it was like very
religious and so, as I grew upand I was like less religious, I
kind of was removed from that.
Then, during the pandemic, youknow it was for me it was a
shock.
I saw it coming and I wascoming online is how I would

(23:13):
describe it.
But I was like having toconquer my worst fear, which was
the pandemic, like for me.
So I was cleaning my floorswith rubbing alcohol, I kid you,
not in my walls, and I wascrazy, like for me.
So I was cleaning my floorswith rubbing alcohol, I kid you,
not in my walls, and I wascrazy, um, but fast forward.
Well, in between I was, you know, doing LSD and mushrooms, and
so I had tapped into telepathyand into different things that I

(23:38):
could do, uh, premonitions andwhatnot, which I've always had,
but it wasn't until I gotdragged, literally last year, by
my ankle.
I willingly went, but I just, Ijust felt the need to go and do
some mushrooms, and then I wokeup to the fact that there was a
genocide taking place, um, inthe middle East, and um, it was

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horrendous, but as, as soon as Iwoke up, it was horrendous, but
as, as soon as I woke up, itwas like consciousness, that's
literally the fabric.
Love is consciousness, this isit, and for me that's where all
started.
So, instead of I think, for youit was like inverted yeah for

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me it was the other way.
It was like okay, so there'sthis overarching consciousness,
I'm that, what am I?
Because, quite frankly, I, justto this day, I have a very
different experience, because Iam so in tune with that.
It's like, well, what is thesmall sliver of me, who am I?

(24:43):
I and why am I here and what ismy relationship to Earth and
all of that.
So it's been a little different, because for me it started off
with the spirits.
So I was having beings,including my guides, who
happened to be lyrens at onepoint, which are like the cat
folks it's a lot right.

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But I was having all of thesebeings coming to me and I was
like, oh, so we're all like inrelationship with one another,
but what does that mean?
And it wasn't until I met abunch of other people, including
you, that I started to kind ofget the what is the term?

(25:25):
I guess the academic side of it, the scientific knowledge of it
because I've always had thatfrom a different perspective.

Anthony (25:34):
Yeah, it was more experiential for you.

Boutaina (25:36):
Yeah, but it was also just like knowledge that just
comes with it, like ever since Iwas like a teenager.
I'm like, oh, this is allenergy, not even having been
into science or anything.
So now I get to kind of fill inthe gap with the academia part
of it.
Yeah, and it's.
It's still like to me notenough, like we haven't even

(26:00):
scratched the surface, becausesome things that I know and feel
, and if you talk to otherexperiencers and psychics and
whatnot, there's just somethings that you just can't
describe yeah, you can't puthuman words to yeah, and like
also where we are in science,like we have just started to
explore things, um, and so ourevolution is literally the

(26:24):
threshold at which we understandthings.
So we have to keep pushing thisconsciousness, like this level
of consciousness, aka evolution,to get to a point where we are
able to substantially provideevidence.

Anthony (26:41):
Yeah.

Boutaina (26:41):
Right, because the mind needs to grasp that.
So I want to validate foranyone that's like, oh, like,
what's going on, like same.
Like what is going on?

Anthony (26:51):
Thanks, yeah, and for those of you who are hearing
Putsi and I talk about all these, you know woo things and you're
like like I cannot grasp it.
You know that's that's, butthat's where I was, you was, you
know, getting into this I hadthis very, uh, reductionist,
materialist approach, like veryrational approach, being an
analyst, um and and and I uh,but I hadn't had any experiences

(27:15):
at that point me neither um solike shook me to my core

Boutaina (27:20):
can you imagine someone who's like all day on
the internet, like loves to,like learn?
My whole job was to report, soeverything has to be factual
numbers.
Even if I had qualitative data,I had to quantify it Right, so
everything needed proof.
And then I'm like there is likean alien in my living room,

(27:43):
like how do I explain that?
And for the longest time Icouldn't tell anyone, until I
met up with one of my mentorsand I literally fell into his
lap.
That's a story for later.
And then you that helped mefill in those gaps.
Like I would tell him about myexperiences and he's like do you
know that?
That's like xyz deity.
And I'm like no, give me thecontext, you're my encyclopedia,

(28:05):
thanks.

Anthony (28:07):
You're my experiential encyclopedia, yeah.
So yeah, it's interesting andit'll be interesting to see,
like, how we both have differentapproaches and we were both
kind of pulled into this fromdifferent ways.
And you know, that could evenget into the masculine and
feminine dynamic and how each ismaybe more prone to being

(28:31):
pulled into this topic versusthe other and maybe more
accepting of this topic.
And I think I can speak for myfellow men out there that we
tend to have a harder timeaccepting and diving into the
more woo sides of these unlesswe have had our own experiences.
And for others, you know, eventhen at that point it's still

(28:53):
not enough.
They may literally need to beslapped in the face by an alien.

Boutaina (28:57):
Yeah, like, for example I just well, it's not an
example Women are most, if notall, women are really in tune
with nature, because we haveperiods and we have a womb, so
we're like always going throughthese cycles.
I mean, if you want to forget,you're not forgetting, you're
remembering every month, andthen when you have children and

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all of that, and our intuitiontends to be stronger.
But the patriarchy and thesystem that we're a part of has
been built explicitly to get usnot in touch with nature,
because once we're in touch withnature, well, we can figure the
whole game out right.
And so men because you know,men have created the structure,

(29:43):
they are very logical and theyneed evidence and all of that
and so you will find, you know,like everyone's got an intuition
and that's part of it, but noteveryone's in tune with it, or a
lot of people just ignore itand they don't understand it or
they're told as kids.

Anthony (29:58):
You know.
They're told as kids, like youknow.
Yeah, you need to understandhow the world works, and you
know and maybe that's like likestop using your imagination so
much or things like that.
You know it gets suppressed alot in childhood we were
absolutely robbed of a lot ofthings.

Boutaina (30:12):
But it's also very important to remember that we
are animals at the end of theday, that we have built this
artificial reality around uswith roads and buildings and
cars and toys and all of that,but at the end of the day, we're
mammals, and what that means,as we still have those instincts
where we are either prey orpredator, and so we have this,

(30:34):
you know, initial connection tonature.
Also, we're eating the food andall of that.
So you'll find that people whoare farmers and whatnot are just
more in tune because they're intune.
That doesn't make you better orless than it just helps you, um
, understand the natural cycleof things right and that's

(30:56):
that's.
What we all need is to just bemore in tune.
You can do what you want to do.

Anthony (31:00):
Just be more in tune with nature, you're part of it,
of it, and we have toacknowledge that we are here
speaking from the capital of theWestern world in the DC area
and this is a very specificperspective and worldview and
ontology.
It's the most unnaturalenvironment I've ever been a
part of, so even across theworld today there's more

(31:21):
indigenous cultures that arestill in tune with nature like
that, and then, going backthrough time, there have been
other cultures even here thatwere more in tune prior to where
we are now.
So yeah, let's get into theweird stuff.
So yeah, for me being soskeptical and rational in my

(31:43):
approach after reading a fewbooks and listening to several
podcasts.
How many books?
Thank you for calling me out.

Boutaina (31:52):
You have so many books ?

Anthony (31:53):
Yes, I have so many books, a huge library and
they're intense.
Probably read three of them orfour of them fully and then just
pieces of so many looking forspecific things that I'm into.
I'm definitely more of apodcast, like ingester and
consumer more visual.

Boutaina (32:09):
He sends me podcasts all the time and when I was
going through, like a very greatawakening, I was like listen, I
can see, I can feel how muchinformation is in there.
Give me a minute.

Anthony (32:20):
But I think it's interesting.
I think that is actually that.
In my opinion, it's one ofthese several converging forces
in this time and place, like therise of podcasts and new media
as a different way of consuming,you know, a lot of information
in a faster period of time thatis actually allowing this wider

(32:41):
awakening to happen now.
So thank you for that.
Yes, so it was mostly podcasts,you're right, but, you know,
directed towards thinkers andresearchers and academics and
scientists, because that was myapproach and then beginning to
see that there are actually,like more and more in those
fields, who are approachingthese topics in interesting ways

(33:01):
, be it usually from their ownperspectives and their own
fields of study.
But thankfully, like having theanalytical professional
background I looked for and Ifound a lot of interesting
connections that I began toconnect the dots on.

Boutaina (33:19):
And have you determined that they're all
saying the same thing?

Anthony (33:21):
They're just describing it For the most part.
Yeah, for the most part.
They are, we're all talkingabout the same thing.

Boutaina (33:26):
They're just describing it for the most part,
yeah, for the most part.

Anthony (33:27):
They are we're all talking about the same thing,
yes, uh, but so I tried to usethat to my advantage in that I
wanted to.
You know, I came across so manyexperiencers having
transformative, uh likeawakening, experiences, uh and
light enlightenment typeexperiences, a mix across the
board.

Boutaina (33:44):
Yeah, um, it's very important to note that, like
also, a lot of people don't justhave experiences on
psychedelics yeah you know othersubstances like a lot of people
just naturally wake up yeah,it's their time, um, and I also
want to know like never wake upsomebody, let them wake up on
their own.

Anthony (34:02):
It's, it's a rule yeah, yeah, or they have to have the
intent to right like, no, likeyou cannot influence someone
else's path.

Boutaina (34:11):
So, should you like, you can drop information, but
you can't, just because it's youknow.
Uh, what is that game where youtap people?

Anthony (34:19):
and duck duck goose.
Yes, duck duck goose, it's likethat.

Boutaina (34:21):
You can't just tap everybody right, um, so each
person's tapped by spirit ontheir own, and you can't just
walk around being like sure,yeah, yeah, yeah.
I may disagree with youslightly on that point, but we
can, we can get into it well,yeah, it's like you put out the
information and you let themconsume and figure it out, but
you can't just be like wake up.

(34:42):
I agree, I agree, yes yeah, um,yeah.

Anthony (34:45):
So you know, I saw all these, uh, positive experiences
and initially I was only awareof the negative ones, like the
abduction cases and things youhear with those and those are
complicated too.
Yeah, and we will get into thosein this podcast, supposedly,
yeah, yeah, so, um, so I I sawall this happening and I got to
a point where I was like allright.
I was like I've seen, I've kindof seen enough, not enough, but

(35:09):
I've seen enough to where I'mready to do something like to
take action, to try to breakthrough the filters that I know
have been built around myperception of reality and that I
felt like were blocking me fromhaving this awakening, because
I wanted it, that's some greatself-awareness, yeah, yeah.

(35:32):
Um, and for me, I figured it wasall the constructs, all the
conditioning, uh, that hadshaped my reductionist,
materialist, you know, uh,rational approach to reality and
needing to see verifiableevidence, um, for things.
So, and and really, andactually like this, focusing on
the physical of reality, eventhough I believed in the

(35:55):
supernatural things from myreligious upbringing it was
still yeah, it's still like atarm's length Um and you grew up
with some crazy stories, yeah.
Yeah, so, yeah.
So I essentially what I did wasI was like I'm going to develop
a contact protocol to try toinduce this experience.

Boutaina (36:14):
I've used it.
It's good, it's very good, it'snot prescriptive, obviously.

Anthony (36:19):
I would prescribe it To try to have this like contact
experience that wastransformative, um to expand my
consciousness, uh, with positivebeings that are higher
consciousness, and um I decidedto combine may I ask at what
point did you, did you trulybelieve that there were other

(36:40):
beings?
Oh, I always believed that ohyeah, my worldview made room for
that, but it was a mixture ofthe religious, supernatural
worldview and then the moresci-fi worldview around the UFO
issue.
Got it?
There was room for that.

Boutaina (36:59):
So when you were developing, this process was
your goal?
Did you have a specific type ofbeing in mind, or were you just
kind of like?

Anthony (37:10):
I knew there were otherworldly in.
In my research I had seen thatthere were probably so many
different types of beings andthere were others that were
higher than us and others thatwere lower than us and others
that are like right around us.
So I could have used that so,yeah, so, and, by the way, I'd
like to thank like a fewthinkers and researchers that

(37:30):
really were formative and duringthis spirit of my life, um,
exoacademian aka darren king,was great.
Um, eventually, now he's doingthis podcast with janice, who's
a friend of ours, and that is agreat approach and we're trying
to kind of branch off of thathere.

Boutaina (37:48):
They're both brilliant .

Anthony (37:49):
Yeah, robin Lasseter, whose podcast and book Earth, a
Love Story are amazing, andseveral others.
I was into Kurt Jaimungal'spodcast.
I was into that UFO Podcast byAndy engaging the phenomenon, uh
, james and doli, so a lot of uhgreat, great work being done

(38:11):
out there.
Kelly chase as well down theufo, the ufo rabbit hole.
Yeah, um, so you know he alwaysthankfully yeah, I had.
I had all these great sourcesof information that then
directed me to other sourcesthat I followed.

Boutaina (38:26):
I had zero I literally had.

Anthony (38:32):
God, that's harder, but yeah.
So I developed this contactprotocol and I felt it was
interesting, like as I was doingit, I would feel kind of pulled
and tugged from one way ofthinking to another or one
culture to another and findingthese connections.
So I was looking intoshamanistic traditions and I was

(38:55):
looking into differentreligious practices and
approaches and Easternspirituality and things like
that and meditative techniqueswhen we did that protocol
together.

Boutaina (39:05):
You know, at one point you have us like listen to
shamanic drumming and I was likethis is not the journey.
I want to go on.
Yeah, they're completelydifferent beings For me.
I perceive them as like SouthAmerican, central American
region beings.
It was just a very specificworld.

Anthony (39:25):
Thank you for teasing them.
Yeah, I was like I'm gonna goit's my ancient egyptian folk.

Boutaina (39:30):
It's a different tribe , um, but love you.

Anthony (39:33):
Yeah, well, okay so we've really buried the lead
here.
So I yes the protocol that Icame up with.
Um, I wanted to.
I wanted to use a psychedelicthat I knew, based based on the
research, would do what I wantedin terms of lowering the
filters that were in place forme.
Initially I wanted to use DMTor ayahuasca because of the

(39:55):
reports of entity experiences inthose Really and in the
literature.

Boutaina (39:59):
Yeah, I've only heard of DMT.
I've had my own DMT experiences.
Okay, I have not.
I've had my own DMT experiences.

Anthony (40:04):
Okay, I have not.
I was told because I had neverdabbled in psychedelics.
It's probably better to not gostraight to DMT and ayahuasca
but start with something likepsilocybin mushrooms.
So I did my research.
I dug into the current clinicaltrials that were taking place
at various universities andinstitutes in the US, you dig.

(40:25):
You dig.
I looked at, like the like, thedata coming out of those, some
of the methodologies they used,some of the types of music they
listened to, the, the dosagethey took.
So, for example, the.
What I decided to do was they,they take a heroic dose which is
five grams and um, and they didit.

(40:47):
They did the entire journeyingsection lying down on a couch or
a bed, uh, and eyes covered,and they would listen to certain
types of music throughout.
Um, classical music was one ofthe recommendations, I believe.
Jazz was the other, and thethird one one was repetitive
drumming and for me, thatsignaled me, based on the

(41:10):
research I had done into certainshamanistic traditions, that
repetitive drumming is a verycommon thing across traditions,
from East Asian shamans all theway to South American and
indigenous North American tribes.

Boutaina (41:22):
It's the vibrations.

Anthony (41:24):
Yeah, drumming is very common, and it was often used as
this way to connect with thedivine or to transcend this
reality, or to heal.

Boutaina (41:32):
It's a form of humming .
Yeah, it's literally soundhumming.

Anthony (41:36):
Well there was also humming, so I'll get to that oh
yeah, way to go yeah.
So yeah, so you know I that wasthe kind of the protocol I took
from the clinical trialsettings and that was going to
be the primary means of thiscontact protocol.
But I wanted to lead up to itto kind of prepare myself.

(41:57):
So that whole week before thefirst time I tried this I was
very intentional in the way Iapproached the world, trying to
connect with nature around me.
I didn't drink alcohol thatwhole week.
That's a lot of effort to bethings you don't know about,
yeah yeah, I was veryintentional because I had this
understanding of the importanceof intent in doing this, having

(42:20):
positive intent.
Intention is everything.
Yeah, having positive intentand that strong like belief to
will it to, to create that, thatexperience and the reality.
Um, so, yeah, so I, I I startedwith uh, a breathwork, uh
practice that I came across,actually combining two
breathwork techniques uh,pranayama breathwork from the

(42:43):
eastern traditions and wimhofwork from that the Iceman guy
, that's like more modern.
Um, and it was a combination ofthe two.
It was like a 10 minuteexercise and right after I
finished that, my plan was to gostraight into the, this very
specific meditative process thatI had been training on from the

(43:05):
Monroe Institute, called thegateway process, and some of you
may be aware of that, andthere's a lot of stuff there
works.

Boutaina (43:14):
as a freelancer, Cause I love to freelance everything
that shit works.
That the structure oh my God, Ibroke through and spoke to my
higher self on a couch it works.

Anthony (43:22):
Yeah.
Totally recommend it's free, itavailable, really, really great
yeah, we won't get into it inthis video but we'll probably do
another one on on the MonroeInstitute and the work they're
doing there.
But essentially it's a guidedmeditation utilizing binaural
frequencies series of them yeah,and, interestingly, a few other
things in there.

(43:43):
when they start, they do thiskind of protective practice that
you do energetically Right.
And then there's this thingthey do called resonant tuning,
where you are essentiallyhumming or chanting along with
the sound of what sounds likeBuddhist monks chanting, and you
do this on every exhale as youkind of lead into the, the

(44:07):
guided meditation.

Boutaina (44:08):
yeah, so it's this preparatory work and very
unsettling at first for me umreally yeah because the first
time I heard it was um when ohyeah, we're doing this protocol,
yeah, yeah ask the shrooms forhitting and I was like, oh no, I
don't have time, yeah, sothat's why I?

Anthony (44:26):
say it's not prescriptive because again, she
had a different experience andshe's I went to hell.

Boutaina (44:30):
I literally went to hell.

Anthony (44:32):
I did not, thankfully in a good way I needed to go to
hell all right, but yes, she isa smaller person tinier, and I'm
bigger, so the shrooms probablytook longer to kick in for me.
So I set up this protocol,specifically structured so that
I would finish the breath workand meditation in enough time
before the shrooms actuallystart kicking in and affecting

(44:55):
me.
So I'm able to get through itand it's what like 20 minutes,
Not even the meditation is like35 minutes, so between that and
the breath work you're rightaround 45 minutes at that point
and that's when they usuallystart kicking in for me.
So I timed it like that, I setit up and right after I finished
the Monroe Institute'smeditation I flipped to the

(45:16):
clinical trial methodology,which was lying down covering my
eyes, and I found this six-hourrepetitive shamanic drumming
track on YouTube with thisambient music in the background.
Put that in my noise, cancelingearbuds Again, ice covered, and
just lay down on the couch,lift, move, shift out of my

(45:47):
physical body into this otherspace.
That was just darknessinitially and I was still, like,
duly aware of my physical bodylying on the couch and I could
feel it.
So, as I'm in this like mostamazing, this dark space, I
quickly start sensing thepresence of eight to ten beings

(46:10):
around me, and there was onedirectly in front of me and then
the others kind of went aroundlike a quarter circle to my
right.
Um, and, by the way, this hadnever happened to me before.
I had never.
I have no experiences withbeings.
Um, the only weird experienceprior was like three sleep
paralysis episodes in my 20s,which I can get to another time.

(46:32):
But I kind of brushed those offas, uh, some emotional stress
going on or things like that.
So this was totally different,yeah, um, but in the moment I
was freaking out, there wasnothing weird about this.
It was just like, oh yeah, thisis totally normal.
I was like we're back, yeah, soI'm sensing these beings around

(46:53):
me and as soon as I becomeaware of it, the one directly in
front of me starts fully, likevisually materializing in my
mind's eye, which in that momentI wasn't thinking.
That was my mind's eye, thatwas reality.
It was like right I was in it.
It was.
That is the reality.
Yeah, it was multi-sensory, itwas like super sensory.

(47:13):
Uh, I can't describe like fully, I can't do it justice I know
exactly what you mean.

Boutaina (47:19):
Yeah, because it's.

Anthony (47:20):
It's otherworldly yeah, it's sensing and experience and
emotions that we don't havebeyond our five senses yeah and
even when you come online, yeah,you're literally a different
being yeah, so, yeah, so thisbeing starts materializing in
front of me and, as it'shappening, I'm feeling like

(47:40):
immense love and likeinterconnectedness and, uh, it
feels like a million times morereligious or sacred, or
spiritual yeah, we bonded overthat than anything, than
anything I'd ever experienced inthis life, despite my like
super religious catholicupbringing.
I mean, I was like an altar boyfor 10 years.

(48:01):
This was like this reality.

Boutaina (48:04):
Holiness, yeah, yeah, it's holiness.
It's like you're there beforegod, but like you are also god,
it's just like it's.
It's just holy is the word Iwould describe.
Yeah, so that's interesting forme.

Anthony (48:17):
I wasn't, I wasn't thinking this was god, it just
again.
I I kind of dropped allconstructs in that moment, in
that experience, like nothingwas there and I was just being
and it was happening to me.

Boutaina (48:33):
But to describe it to them, it's like source energy is
how I would describe it.
If you think of this ballthat's sitting up there, that is
where everything comes fromthat is like the essence of
these beings.

Anthony (48:47):
Yeah, and I had no prior context for that, so
wasn't thinking like, oh, thisis source energy.
I was just thinking andcomparing it to this like
reality.
I it felt we're comparing yeah,I felt like I was like this is
a million times more sacred andspiritual than anything I'd ever
experienced here and, inaddition to that, it was like a
million times more real and likemeaningful and like, yeah, it

(49:11):
was just, it was the thing, andI thought back to this physical
reality, like what's happeninghere.

Boutaina (49:17):
Oh, it's like a speck of dust.

Anthony (49:19):
Oh yeah, it was a speck of dust.
It felt like a speck of dust inthe cosmos of reality and of
meaning and of emotion, Likethat's what this feels like
compared to that.

Boutaina (49:30):
But it's just as equal as that.

Anthony (49:33):
But yeah, like it's just, yeah, yeah for me it was
like I was like that we, it feltfamiliar.
It felt like I had known thatand I had forgotten it.
It felt like a home that I hadknown, that I was returning to,
and I was thinking in thatmoment like how the f?
Could I forget that like that?

(49:56):
How could I forget that forthis?

Boutaina (49:58):
you're that powerful.

Anthony (50:00):
And, yeah, on top of that, I was like how could we
all forget that for this?
Like how do we do that?
It was almost.
It was humorous and like a joke.
It was like what, how?
Um.
So yeah, I'm feeling all theseemotions and this is all
happening like instantaneously,but also like infinitely, like
time was blurred.

(50:20):
And then this being ismaterializing in front of me and
I'm looking at it from the feetup and I see, so I'm seeing
like a man's body forming fromthe feet up and I get up to the
chest and he has a bare chestwearing like these ornate tribal
jewelry and like chest plates,like gold chest plate.

(50:41):
And then I get up to the headand this being has a falcon or a
hawk for a head and in that andthat was not, that was not
weird for me at all in thatmoment I was just like, oh, okay
, and I was just going with it.
Um, it was totally normal, um,and so I know for reference, I

(51:04):
know since then that this is acommon depiction of various
deities like Ra or Horus fromthe ancient Egyptian traditions.
But I did not have any realprior constructs or worldviews
about those traditions and Ihadn't really studied them.

(51:25):
Going into this experience whichI think makes it more
interesting that this appearedbefore me, and even in the
moment I was not making thoseconnections, my mind was not
like, oh, this is raw, or thisis horus, and it didn't even
tell me that.
What it did tell me when itstarted communicating with me,
which the only way I candescribe it is telepathically,
because it felt like I was likedirectly connected and tethered

(51:49):
to this being, um, but throughhim I was connected to all these
other beings that were that Icouldn't see, that were next to
us, and and can you describethat?

Boutaina (52:00):
because you had used that term like the hive mind?

Anthony (52:06):
yeah, oh yeah I, I caught it felt like when they
started communicating, it waslike we were all a hive mind
where they would essentiallylike send over, like a thought
or a word or a whole idea, and Iwould receive it, and then I
would think it, I would send oneback to them and it was a back
and forth.
So we were all connected andthat is also important, because

(52:28):
I think that reshapes ourunderstanding of, of reality and
consciousness, thatinterconnectedness that you
experience.
So yeah, so the first thing Igot from them was this
patronizing laughter at at us,at humanity, and I asked them
why are you laughing?
And their response was becauseyou, like all of humanity, you

(52:53):
had made us into gods, but we'renot gods.
And you had made us intomasters, but we're not masters.

Boutaina (53:00):
Uh, and I beg their pardon because they are
mastering something and it'sreality as in.

Anthony (53:05):
Like masters of us, yeah yeah, because we forgot who
we are.
Yeah and we forgot.
I back their party because theyare mastering something and
it's reality as in like mastersof us.

Boutaina (53:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because we forgot who we are.

Anthony (53:10):
Yeah, and we forgot who they are.

Boutaina (53:12):
And we are them, and they are us.

Anthony (53:14):
Yeah, once you get up there, yeah, we are.
So yeah.
So I asked them.
Then they say that we, likehumanity, had not been ready to
know them again.
But they had been doing thingsto prepare for that time for us
to know them again.
And I asked them and when theysaid that, I had this feeling of

(53:35):
like imminence, like when theysaid the time when we would know
them again.
It felt like something was onthe horizon, like not in the
distant future.
That would be a time or a waythat we would know them again.
And the wording was importantbecause it didn't feel negative,
very, very particular.

(53:55):
It didn't feel negative, itdidn't feel apocalyptic, it
didn't feel cataclysmic, it justfelt like, oh okay, this is
something that's going to happensoon and I should make note of
it.

Boutaina (54:07):
So and I know that's common with a lot of
experiencers- and we do need tonote that they are functioning
outside of space and time.

Anthony (54:13):
Oh yeah, the whole, yeah, the environment so far,
yeah.

Boutaina (54:17):
When I perceived them as well and I'll go into that
later is they are not even inany universe.

Anthony (54:22):
Yeah, they are part of the makers of the universe.
It was so.
It felt like so far, thereality felt so far beyond this
in terms of what we considerreality, but at the same time,
it felt like it was just out ofreach, like it was like a layer
of over reality enveloping thisum that was always around us and

(54:45):
always as in, like, outside oftime and space.
So, yes, so that they tell methat they've been doing these
things, things to get us readyto know them again.
And I asked them like what doyou mean?
And they say they don't saythey show me, uh, me, uh, three

(55:11):
like full hd montage videoscenes of shows that I had seen
before in here in this life asexamples of them influencing, uh
and like inspiring the minds ofcreatives through art, through
media, through film, um, intotheir work, either with them
knowing it or without themknowing it, and probably most
without them knowing it.
Yeah, and the shows one of theshows was this show called Moon

(55:37):
Knight from the Marvel Universe,which centered around, like
modern day Egypt and this personwho has this connection with
this ancient egyptian deity andand he's like he's tasked with
stopping this other deity fromuh manifesting in this physical

(55:59):
reality, through another human,and influencing the affairs of
humanity.
And he pleads with the othergods to help him stop her.
And they don't want to comedown here and affect affairs
because they made some agreementnot to.
And the other show is calledRagnarok For evolution purposes.
Yeah, the other show is calledRagnarok.

(56:20):
It takes place in Norway.
It centers around the Norsepantheon of gods and very
similar theme.
Yeah, very, very similar themeabout, like the some of the gods
coming down and messing withthe affairs of humans, breaking
some agreement not to, and oneof them, the main character who
manifests as thor, has to stopthem.

(56:42):
So the last show, they showedme thor safety.

Boutaina (56:46):
I just don't want to put that out there.

Anthony (56:48):
Yeah, the last show they showed me is this show
called The OA um, which has alot of, like beautiful eastern,
uh spiritual themes.

Boutaina (56:56):
It has this like depiction of the, this divine
feminine figure, and this otherdimension um you know they've
been pushing that a lot like I'mall over tiktok and everyone
who is like in the spiritualcommunity or parallel to it is
talking about this like it'sreally being pushed hardcore
that's great.

Anthony (57:13):
It's a great show and it's good that it's, you know,
coming back, because it came outa while ago, um but yeah, so
they recommended three specificshows.
Yeah and the main theme of thatshow is near-death experiences
and the abilities that may comeonline for certain people after
near-death experiences.
So they show me these shows,they go on to show me this
past-life vision, and I didn'teven have a belief in past lives

(57:40):
or reincarnation.
And they show me this guywalking through a blizzard, with
beautiful mountains behind him,and I ask them why they're
showing me it.
And they tell me, this guywalking through a blizzard with,
like, beautiful mountainsbehind them, and they I asked
them why they're showing me it.
And they tell me, yeah, it wasa human.
Yeah, and they and they tell me.
They tell me this was you inanother life and that's why, in
this life, you feel pulled tothese environments, which is
extreme cold.

(58:00):
Yeah, really true, like ever.
Since I was a kid, I've lovedthe cold, snow and mountains,
and I met you and never got itbecause I'm like, listen, I'm
north african, you're from themiddle east.

Boutaina (58:09):
Like, what do you like ?

Anthony (58:11):
yeah, it's interesting um, so they show me this and I
start, I start getting emotionaland, um, I, I take off the the
blanket over my eyes on myphysical body, to see if, like,
if I'm actually crying, becauseit felt like I was and I had
tears coming down my eyes fromhow emotional this felt and and

(58:31):
meaningful.
And then I put the blanket backover my eyes and I was right
back in front of them and I mean, like, as if it's you and I,
like nothing changed, like themost immersive, like the most
immersive VR helmet, likethree-body problem type thing
you've ever seen, and I wasright there and the experience
just continued and I can getinto this on other shows.

(58:54):
But I was given spontaneousmudras when I didn't even
understand or know what a mudrawas Various hand symbols that,
through autonomous handmovements that my physical body
was experiencing, came to me andthey felt like they boosted and
amplified this experience.
And then I started doing thatresonant tuning I mentioned

(59:16):
earlier this like humming to theshamanic track that I was
listening to, because I feltlike something was telling me
this will help boost yourexperience and amplify it.
So I started tuning thevibrations and the sound coming
out of me to the music that Iwas listening to and once it hit
a certain point that felt likeit was it with these mudras that

(59:39):
came to me.
It just boosted the experienceand it felt like it lengthened
the connection that I did notwant to disconnect from.
Yeah, because it was so amazing, yeah, it's beautiful, and the
experience went on um, and I getinto more on another show, but
it was life-changing, um, it wasdeeply meaningful uh well, we
bonded over them.

Boutaina (59:59):
Yeah, I mean so many.

Anthony (01:00:01):
Yeah, it led to like daily, daily or weekly
synchronicities that are stillgoing on today, and this was a
year and a half ago.
That then led to so manymeaningful connections and
groups that I'm now a part of,and spaces that I'm in where my
voice is heard, where I can hearother people's voices, where

(01:00:22):
I'm receiving new perspectivesand approaches to this topic,
and none of it would havehappened, I think, think,
without that experience in thisway that it did so.
I'm deeply thankful for thatand, um, yeah, that do you, do
you want to?
I've been speaking for a longtime.
Do you want to share about what?
What happened with you?

Boutaina (01:00:41):
which part like.
I literally have experiencesevery day.
I'm so sometimes I'm so over it.

Anthony (01:00:47):
Give the audience a taste.
Okay, Of the variety andbreadth of your experiences.
I would like to preface with.

I've had so many profound, beautiful experiences
and some that are not too good,but primarily good and great
actually that when I speak ofthem, cause they're just so
normal to me, I'm not like, butthey are to me on the inside.
So I just want to note thatMaybe I can start off with how I

(01:01:21):
came to wake up.
So I'd always known that, like,like, I come from a normal
family, but I've always known.

Anthony (01:01:29):
What does that mean?

just like a normal family like everybody else.
But I've always known that Iwas royalty.
I'm like I, this life is notlike it, like where are, where
are the people, where is all ofthis?
And so I just knew that thelife that I was having was not

(01:01:52):
what I had been accustomed togrowing up as just a child.
I'm like this is not normal foryou guys to cry this often and
experience death in thisdarkness.
This is weird shit.
You guys are on and I alwaysfelt like I don't know, just
like as a very sensitive girland I'm absolutely, completely

(01:02:17):
on the spectrum autistic you arewhen you are having these
experiences, because they'regifts.
You're gifted, but it comeswith the sensitivity and so I've
always been really sensitiveand I could feel people's
feelings and whatnot, but Icould tell that like I was
different.
So I thought I was a problem,that like it must be me, there

(01:02:37):
must be something wrong with me.
But I was having these likepremonition dreams where I would
be meeting prophets and likeI'm being told things and I'm
unable to like really share themwith my family because, like I
don't know what they mean.
I'm also a child, but I'm justvery aware of the other side and

(01:02:58):
this was growing up in a.
Muslim culture, yeah, in aMuslim culture.

Anthony (01:03:02):
So you had had that you shaped.
When you experienced them, youviewed them through that
paradigm.

Not really.
I also I never understoodreligion.
My mom was always like you needto pray and whatnot.
And I'm like I respect it.
I love the Quran, you know, Ilove the culture, but you guys
are out of your minds, to belike.
I've always asked questions andit's kind of like, well, this is
just it.
And questions, and it's kind oflike, well, this is just it.

(01:03:28):
And it's like like, who are theangels, who are the demons?
Like why is there war, likewhat?
Like I've always asked all ofthese things but I just never
got the answer and I really justdidn't enjoy people just
subscribing to anything.
Right, just I was like you guyscan't think for yourself.
So I always just felt out ofplace.
Long story short, I have a fewexperiences on LSD and mushrooms

(01:03:51):
and you know, I'm able to walkaround my mind.
I'm able to like telepathicallyspeak to dogs.
I'm like, oh, it's just mebeing me, you know like I know
that some people can't really doit.
So I completely embrace thefact that it's me.
But then over this past year,what happens is I had deep

(01:04:15):
inside like a knowing that I wasgoing to leave my job.
Then I get ejected out of myjob, I end up leaving before I'm
supposed to, and then the wholeIsrael, palestine genocide,
slash war start and I was calledshortly before that truly took

(01:04:35):
off to do some mushrooms Ihadn't done mushrooms for a very
long time or LSD, or like drugs, really, I mean with like smoke
weed or anything.
Sorry, mom, um, but like Ireally wasn't dabbling in
anything else besides marijuanaand so sorry mom, um, so long

(01:04:55):
story short, I'm not apologizingyeah, um, so long story short
is, I get a picture of the Ankhlike straight in my head so I
can see like I'm literallywearing it the Ankh but I don't
know what the Ankh is.
I just get the symbol and it'slike on my mind for like
straight up one to two weeks andI don't know it.

(01:05:17):
So I draw it on the mirror.
Excuse me, and I actually waswearing this top the first time.
I did shrooms and I took myshrimps.
They were divinely delivered tome.
They were a specific type andthat was specifically grown by
someone.
It needed to be exactly that.
So I took them and I was justonline.

(01:05:39):
I was like, oh, I'm thefrequency gal, like I know my
frequencies, so I startlistening to frequencies and I
can, anytime I listen to.
Like I know my frequencies.
So I start listening tofrequencies and I can, anytime I
listen to any frequency, I cantell you exactly what frequency
that is and like how to get to acertain like frequency, like
the money frequency or the sound, or how to heal, how to heal

(01:06:00):
cancer, whatever.
I'll tell you exactly whatfrequency that is.

Anthony (01:06:03):
Unfortunately, they're not available online, so just to
be clear for our audience.
So this is like a soundfrequency that you can hear and
then you can actually attune tothrough your own level of
consciousness.
Is that what you mean?

The average person would need to hear them.
I don't need to hear them, Ijust need to tune in.
I just need to say it's liketuned inside of you.
Yeah, I just need to go 963 heryeah, I start hearing it, it's
primarily feeling it.
Then I am one with it and thenI can feel the ripple of that
frequency yeah and then it'slike okay, like that's what I

(01:06:40):
need, but because I hadn't comeonline just yet, that means like
I hadn't gone through myawakening just yet, my body was
still shut off, going through somuch trauma and whatnot.
I had not known that I could dothat just yet, so I was able to
just listen.

Anthony (01:06:59):
So that's interesting because that actually, for those
who this sounds too weird forwas actually discussed, uh, on a
recent not recent, but arelatively recent podcast where,
uh, I believe it was joemcmonigal, who's like the number
one remote viewer out of themonroe institute, who talked
about his initial interactionswith robert monroe when he was,

(01:07:20):
when they were training on howto induce out-of-body
experiences through binauralfrequencies and, um, I believe
Robert Monroe told JoeMcMoneagle one day when he
forgot his cassettes for hisearbuds or headphones, he told
him you don't need them anymore,like you don't need to hear the

(01:07:41):
frequencies.
Because you know the frequenciesyou can just play them inside
of you and reach those states.
So very similar thing, I think.

I can do the same thing, Like in my head.
I'll just play classical music.

Anthony (01:07:51):
Yeah.

It's like there's a library.
I don't know how I can justnaturally access it, Like there
is no process.
It's just like I want to listento Beethoven's Symphony 7 and I
can hear it.
But a lot of the time I canhear the music but I don't know
what I'm listening to.
Like I just know you know thisis the music that I need to
listen to right now.
So I'm like chilling with mycat and I took the video and

(01:08:14):
everything and I just knew rightthere.
And then ancient Egypt not thefirst round, not the second
round, not the third, sorry, notthe second or third round,
cause there were three roundsthe first round and I.
I just knew that I, um, that Iwas a high priestess is the

(01:08:34):
phrase that I caught.
Like you are high priestess.

Anthony (01:08:37):
Like.

I am a high priestess, so I kept getting high
priestess, high priest,priestess.
I just like literally chilledon my couch and was like in tune
and I was like I, I can bendthings, I can, you know, like
dismantle things with my mind.
Like I just had all of a sudden, like access to all of this
knowledge, knowing that I coulddo anything, I could play with

(01:08:59):
matter, I could do anything.
So then I'm called to do it thesecond time, and this second
time was completely an entiremeltdown.
Um, I do it, and then I justagain cause I'm sensitive, I
feel the genocide, and thenthat's when I realized that I

(01:09:21):
was like experiencing thegenocide, live with them.
I could feel the hatred, Icould feel the colonization, I
could feel the pain.
I could feel the horrors and itwas so deep inside of me that I
just could not understand howthis is stored in humanity,
because it was so dark and all Icould understand is that and it

(01:09:45):
didn't matter that this washappening to Palestinians,
because I could also tune in toother parts of the world and I
realized that this is anoverarching problem, that
humanity has, this self-hatred,this fear of the unknown and
this innate needs of ofcolonized.

Anthony (01:10:05):
I could not understand where that was coming from the
sense of lack that like causespeople to act this way, but it
was like hatred, like it washate.

I couldn't, I could not.
It was such darkness, it wasunfamiliar to me and in that
moment I broke through.
I had like an entire meltdown,was like tuning in and
everything.
And then it slowly I was fine.
Like that journey was aboutgenocide and understanding the
darkness of humanity andunderstanding where I fitting.

(01:10:38):
So all of a sudden he activatedthis like thing inside of me
where I was like I need to goout there and do something about
it and so that's how I decidedto start my non-profit um and
start lobbying.
I was like, well, I'm lookingfor a job anyway and like, quite
frankly, like none of them seemto be good, because I was
working with pig tech and Iwould go to bed every night and

(01:10:58):
pretend that I wasn't helpingthe big bad guy.
You, you know, because theywould go out there and you know
just labor issues, all of thesehorrendous things they were
doing, and for me I'd be likeyou're really fucking up excuse
my language but like you coulddo something about
sustainability.

Anthony (01:11:17):
Yeah.

Right.
So I was kind of like helpingthem get away with things, even
though it was just my job toreport on how they could do
better.
So the third trip this is in aspan of like less than a month.
The third trip I had was whereI realized, oh, I am so insecure

(01:11:43):
, I have so much trauma, I'mgoing through so much fear.
Oh, my God, like what is thisprogramming?
So I broke through and I wasone with source energy.
I was just source energy, butbefore that I was having, in

(01:12:13):
between that, I was havingreligious experiences where I
was using the Quran as a guide,because the Quran is is a
magical set of spells to helpprotect you.
Um, I was using it to protectmy field, not knowing that
that's exactly what I was doing.

Anthony (01:12:26):
And then I'm sorry, just to be clear.
So in in actual like in theislam that's taught, they don't
say that the quran is a set ofspells do they?
They would, yeah, yeah, so thisis something deeper that you've
discovered about it yeah.

So you know like they'll say like you need to
like read the.
I had to course see like threetimes right, which is like a
portion of like the firstchapter or something like that.
That's the same thing withChristianity and even Judaism.
They say like you need to, youknow like repeat these set of
words to protect yourself yeah.

Anthony (01:12:57):
I yeah, ritual is very common and it's used in language
and in practice as well.

Yeah, the thing about islam and the quran is that when
you are, you have to listen toit, and it's chanted in a
specific way.
So what you're doing is you'reaccessing a frequency right, and
so, to me, I was guided tolisten to it, and when I was

(01:13:22):
listening to it, I was no longeron my couch in my apartment.
I was in my physical body, butI was being shown things.
So I that was the mostbeautiful experience I've ever
had, because what I was beingshown is how earth came to be

(01:13:45):
and how humans came to be, andas soon as I would start kind of
wondering about other questionsthat I had about other beings,
they was like let's focus onthis story first.
So I was literally shown howearth was created and keep in
mind, like there isn't a beingor anybody showing me this, it
was just me and Source.

(01:14:06):
But it is my own Source.
I'm my own energy.
At the time I didn't know it,but God what we would describe
as God Not talking to me, noteven telepathic, it was just a
sense of knowing and I could nolonger see my real reality.
And I'm being shown how all ofthese planets were created and

(01:14:28):
the Big Bang, and how it happensand how like there are
different realms and how likethey drop and it's like a cloud
and it's so mystical and sobeautiful and the creation of
hell and the creation of theseother things of heaven.
But like heaven is this, likethis is heaven right?
Like hell is and we'll go intothat another time and I was

(01:14:52):
being shown all of thesebeautiful things and then I was
shown that there were otherbeings that existed before and
it was very important that IUnderstood that humanity is not
the first and it was veryimportant that I understood that
humanity is not the first andit is not the last creation.
And then I've shown howhumanity was created and it was

(01:15:12):
with dirt and a drop of bloodand then I saw like a plant
flourishing, and then all ofthis while while listening, but
the chapter was not saying thesethings like the recitation was
not saying these things becauseit's in arabic and I understand
it was describing like biblicaltimes and like the israelites

(01:15:36):
and all of that.
But I was having these visionsit's like.

Anthony (01:15:40):
It's like the, the sound or the music, like
something in it just unlockedsome like filter that was in
place, preventing you fromaccessing this deeper awareness
that this kind of uh promptedyeah and it's that's very
similar to what happened with mewith my own kind of music.
So it's I think that is aninteresting uh thing to look out

(01:16:02):
for in these spaces is soundand music and frequencies.

Sound is very important.
This whole thing is frequencyand frequency is sound.
It's a hum like the um is justthe universe with its album.

Anthony (01:16:16):
Yeah, yeah.

And long story short.
I was shown that I was an angel, so I walked through.
I was walked through.
How?
I was created and it was athought you are, so you be.
And then I was shown who Godwas and I could not see God

(01:16:42):
right, because it was a veil andI just saw a triangle with an
eye inside and I was like God islooking through this whole
thing.
And then I was taken out ofthat.
What seemed like it was like amicroscope, right, and that's

(01:17:04):
the eye that we were seeing.
And then I came out of it, outof the microscope now, from
God's perspective, like beingshown the yang and the yang
being shown, and at the time Ihad no idea what the masculine,
feminine energies were oranything.

(01:17:25):
I just knew about genders.
So I was shown that the femaleenergy is the black one, the
male energy the masculine, notmale masculine energy.
Feminine energy is black,masculine energy is white.
And then, instead of the, youhow like it's got a circle right

(01:17:46):
in the middle.
Yeah, so for me they had.
They each side had their owncircles of different colors, and
then in the middle it was likea squiggle.
I showed you the picture.
It was like a squiggle circleof both colors.
It was just I don't know how todescribe it to you, but it was
like you guys didn't figure outthe part that there is a middle

(01:18:09):
part and that's God.
And I was like, oh, and then Iwas being shown that it was
moving around and it was likewhat I perceived it as, or what
it wanted me to perceive it as,is that God was like god, source
concept of hands doesn't havehands, that it was like moving

(01:18:30):
things around, and so it wasmoving the color that wasn't
supposed to be from the darkside to the light side and vice
versa, and it was just like thisgame and I was like what, what?
And then I like trying tounderstand where I am from, like
like who am I Right?
And it was like you're of me.
And I was like, well, am I yourdaughter, Am I your son?

(01:18:51):
Like, like you're?
Like it just kept saying likeyou're my kin.
So I have this entirerealization that, oh, are you
going to kill me, that, oh, areyou going to kill me, and I'm
like now standing in front ofGod that is not even visible to
me, crying my eyes out, likehaving a complete meltdown after

(01:19:14):
this entire beautifulexperience about existence
itself.
And then I'm pleading.
I'm like why would you kill me?
Why would you create?
Are you cheating on your wife?
I just made me do that, becausethis entity that I was
perceiving, just to get rid ofthe evidence.
This entity that I wasperceiving is.
It was like showing me that,like this entire world that

(01:19:36):
you're a part of, that's just aworld that I created.
You need to understand that Iexist outside of it for it to
have been created yeah and youalso exist outside of it, not
telling me, like, what it meant.
So I'm like coming from a humanperspective, where there's like
a male and a female andprocreation, so I'm like, are

(01:19:56):
you gonna kill me?
And of course it's like God.
So I'm like, standing there,literally standing in my living
room, can only see that realityand I'm like you know what.
You have the ability to kill me.
So if you're gonna kill me, goahead.
But you need to know that it'snot okay to be cheating on your
wife like you're gonna get ridof me, your kin, because you're

(01:20:20):
cheating.
Like what kind of god are you?
And so now I'm like roastinggod.
What kind of god are you to becheating and killing your son?
Your I don't even know what Iam.
Get it over with.

Anthony (01:20:36):
Get it over with so just to be clear, so so this was
like, because the essence ofGod wasn't like visual in front
of you.
You just felt like the energyand the essence, and you felt
that it was outside of you andit was something else.
So you were like fearing it.

Yeah, it was bringing me from earth all the way
outside of all the universesthat exist, showing me past the
veil.
But at this point it's nolonger just a knowing, like a
feeling that's being passed.
We are having a conversation,and the source this conversation
that's happening, it soundslike an electrified voice.

(01:21:21):
I cannot describe it.
I've never heard anything likethat in the most sincere, soft,
loving thing, and so it's likeyou know that's not it and I'm
like you know what?
Then explain yourself to me.
If you're gonna kill me, I needto know the truth.
And it was just like it wasjust like there was a silence

(01:21:42):
and he was also very importantthat I want to know that, when I
was being shown all of this, Iwas told to remember that I
wrote the program, like I wrotethe Quran, and I was like listen
, I mean, if you're going togive me credit, I'll take it,
but like, like I, I can't goback and tell my mother this

(01:22:03):
right, like, like we call it inarabic, like shake below, which
is like, basically, like you'resaying that you're also god
yourself yeah and so I'm likeall right, like settle down.
And so it kept reminding me,like remember, you wrote the
program.
This is not who you are, thisis not who you are, you've been
corrupted.
The program has been corrupted.
All of a sudden it's showing me, me, the quantum field, and

(01:22:26):
it's showing me this like huge,huge timeline, and it looks like
basically a spine is how Iwould describe it, and then it's
got little tentacles.
It's almost like nerves brancheslike literal nerves and it's
like listen, you can go andexplore the side things, but

(01:22:48):
ultimately you always come backto the main timeline wow and
remember, you wrote the program,you wrote, you wrote this whole
thing like you sent yourselfhere basically yeah, and I'm
like like you can't get awaywith cheating, just like still
stuck on that.
And I'm like, are you stillgonna kill me after I've done

(01:23:09):
all of this for you?
All of this I've been good,I've been donating, I've been
out there like fighting, becauseat this point I was like deeply
involved in lobbying and goingout to protest and whatnot and
I'm like, just get it over with.
So I was very fearful but verysassy because I was not going to
go out that way.
And so I said what we say inIslam, which is like there's

(01:23:33):
only one God and Muhammad is hisprophet.
And I was like, if I'm going todie, I'm going to say that
because I don't know where I'mgoing.
But what I felt like is I wasgoing to cease to exist.
It was just a snap.
I thought of you and you gotcreated.
And then now I'm unthinking itand you're no longer going to
exist and I was like all right.

(01:23:58):
So I say that and all of asudden everything completely
dissolves and I am source.
Yeah, so all of these filters,these fears, this attitude, this
ego, yeah and I realized in themiddle of it, as I'm full-on
panicking oh, I'm just having anego death.

(01:24:18):
And then, once I'm one withsource, it was pure love.
And then I don't know how todescribe it, but it was like you
are so beautiful it was sourceadmiring itself.
So I was admiring me, basically,and it was like you are so
beautiful, you're the mostmagical essence.

(01:24:43):
Look at you yeah like, and itwas just like it was so
beautiful.
I was like, oh my god, and itwas like look at me.
And it was.
I was basically the mirror andit was talking to me.
It was talking to itself, butbefore that I could not see that
I was Source, because it wasfoggy, it was a foggy mirror,

(01:25:08):
but now I could clearly seemyself, like the mirror was no
longer foggy and so I wasadmiring me, but it was Source
admiring me.
It was so weird because itwould be like me standing in
front of a mirror and be likelook at you, because it would be
like me standing in front of amirror and be like look at you,
yeah, it's like where youessentially.

Anthony (01:25:25):
You were taught to place your awareness at higher
and higher levels, to break downthis individuated form of you
and this perspective, thatsource, aka God.
Is this separate thing from you?
And once you broke that down,you were able to fully realize
that that that was you and youwere just kind of in awe of it,

(01:25:47):
right like beyond awe, becauseit was like I understand myself.

Yeah, I'm so fascinated with myself, I can
only explore myself, and so thatis why I created all of this is
to explore how great I am.
And I was like this is way toomuch, this is amazing.
And then I, I showed you, but Igot the, I wrote it down, and

(01:26:16):
so I saw the spectrum, the colorspectrum, and green is where
creation was created from.
Like, creation comes from thecolor green, that's why plants
are green and all of that.
And then I was shown, uh, thethree, six, nine method, which
is basically uh, associated withthe tesla, nicholas, tesla, um,

(01:26:37):
but I didn't know at the time,and so I was shown exactly what
the pyramid looks like.
The the nine is the mind, soul,body, and that's what makes you
, you, the triangle, you are thetriangle.

Anthony (01:26:48):
Unifying of the three.

Yeah, and so I started to dig into all of that Fast
forward.
I'm having a bunch of otherexperiences, but at this time I
am now accessing source energy,which is so much energy that
sometimes you think that yourbrain's going to explode because
it's so much.
But I knew that I was accessingthis energy to basically expand

(01:27:15):
on the capacity and the accessthat I have, because we're not
using most of our brains right.
They've been shut off.
Whatever that means We'll gointo it another time.
But it was basically like allof a sudden I'm bringing in all
of this energy and it feels likeI'm going to shut down, but I'm
not, and so I was going throughconvulsions, but I was like

(01:27:38):
working with my source energy toexpand myself.
So I could feel like in realtime neuroplasticity taking
effect.
I could feel and see my neuronschanging.
It was the craziest thing ever,because I could then see that I
was actually physicallychanging the structure of my

(01:27:59):
cells.

Anthony (01:28:00):
um, and, to be clear, crystallization of them.
This was happening to you now,at this point, without
psilocybin, without no.
So this was necessary.

I needed to do the psilocybin okay and the plan
itself was the one that washelping me access, because they
have their own consciousness,and you got to a point, though,
where yeah, you startexperiencing things without it
right.
Oh, yeah, yeah, but theybasically called it boot camp.
So the guides that he met aremy guides.

(01:28:29):
So for me once I was just meand source and I got to a point
where I can handle a highfrequency is when they started
to come in and for me I was like, oh, it's raw.
So he came in, I allowed himinto my vessel, which is so
crazy to say out loud and think,but it was just kind of like I

(01:28:50):
as a soul, I'm going to stepaside from my body.
My consciousness kind of powersthis body, butaina and the
higher self like it powers thisbody.
But I'm going to allow him tocome in.
So he came into my body.

Anthony (01:29:02):
And that consent is important right, very important
agency do not let any beingsinto your body.

Just I want to say but for me I had enough where I
could decipher energy and I'mvery good at reading energy in
general.
Let him into my body.
He clear, cleansed my um, my uhchakras, especially my root
chakra, because the first one ifthat's not clear, you can't go
up the elevator.
It's like you're in the lobby,you're just stuck there.

(01:29:29):
So he helped me with that.
Then other deities started tocome in and then I was having
crazy experiences, still onpsilocybin, where I was breaking
through to other dimensions,and that's when I started to
explore other beings, includingthe lyrens, the cat people, and
so I understood that from myexperience.
I'm not saying this is, somepeople can have different

(01:29:52):
experiences, but for me they letme know that I am one of them
and that we were the ones thathelped write the Islamic code
and basically it was the lastcode.
It was to rewrite over theprevious codes because humanity
kept getting hacked, but it waspart of the evolution.
Is you needed that?

(01:30:13):
you know you needed theexperience not the experience,
but for evolution, you neededthe encryptions to be like off
right like the codes needed tobe wrong for humanity trial by
fire.
Yeah it was part of it, so itwas just very beautiful.

(01:30:34):
So I experienced a bunch ofother beings and I only trusted
him because they let me knowthat I could and that's how we
were bonding.
But then after that, you know,I had so many more experiences
that will go into and to methat's how I understood
consciousness, because I camefrom such a high level like my

(01:30:55):
journey has been understandingwhat exists between here and
over there, by coming down, notgoing up yeah I don't know what
it is to go up, I only know howto come down and um, like I know
, like, for me, I sit in theseventh dimension, which is
crazy yeah, I mean myconsciousness.

Anthony (01:31:17):
What isn't, what isn't at this point, right right, yeah
, so, as you can see, butayina'sexperiences are profound and
have such an amazing variety tothem and we see this all the
time in the experiencercommunity and for me, when I met
her, I thought I had alreadyhad my experience.

(01:31:39):
I had thought that I had brokenthrough this like ontological
wall and that I was ready tohandle all this.
All this uh woo out there onthis high strangeness and all
these elements of thesephenomena.
Um, but when I first heardthese stories, I was I was in
shock.
I was like what, like there's uhdifferent, there's like

(01:32:01):
spiritual entities and andyou're actually sourced and you
can like manifest things and uhwhat?
There's things, there's code inthings now, and there's spells
and there's like all theselayers to all of this, so that,
like, the complexity of, of ourreality and and the cosmos is
fascinating and you really needto.

(01:32:22):
You need to, you need to speakand share your stories I think
and we all do once we'recomfortable with it to those
around us, because the only waywe're going to start breaking
the walls between ourexperiences and and the way we
frame them is when we startsharing and and like co-creating

(01:32:43):
and co-experiencing thesethings because, again, we are a
huge puzzle, right, and we arethe pieces that fit in that
puzzle.

so for us all to understand the picture and see
it, um, we must share thatinformation, we must come
together and put those puzzlepieces together.
I do want to share that.
The one thing from thatexperience that I got when I was
after I had my first ego deathand I have had so many sense
that I'm completely differentperson I was given a code which

(01:33:14):
is I be, no, I am, I be, I do.
So I am human, I be human, I dohuman things Right.
So the way to manifest is toknow what you are, what you're
trying to be, and what is thatbeing do Right?

Anthony (01:33:37):
Yeah, and that is a whole other episode to get into
that, but that's there's a lotof interesting things there.

It's coding right right like it's that simple and
that complex, but it's veryimportant to note that, as
beautiful and complex as this is, it's really that simple.
Don't over complicate it yeah,yeah it's what I've gotten from
this entire experience yeah,well, I mean.

Anthony (01:33:58):
So, as you can see, we've both had our fair share of
experiences.
Both of ours, as I hinted atearlier, have now transcended
the need for substances, wherewe are experiencing different
phenomena in states that are notsubstance induced.
For me personally, I still feellike the wilder experiences

(01:34:23):
that are more like real quoteunquote for me require my
protocol, and I don't know ifthat's because my rationalism
and skepticism is still likehammering me, but I have had
like flashball BUAP sightingsnow in meditative states without
substances, as I mentionedearlier, the synchronicities are

(01:34:46):
off the roof.
There's too improbable to justbe coincidental, and then the
meaning that comes out of thoseand the further connections that
happen as a result is justprofound.
And I know you've hadexperiences without substances
that are so far beyond that,including entities, right.

Well, I opened the door, so the substances help you
open a door, but ultimatelyyou're walking through that door
and you're going to have toface whatever that the end, you
know.
On the other end, whatever thatis sober right, because you
just walked into this realm soit helps you get there.
But that doesn't mean becauseyou just walked into this realm
so it helps you get there, butthat doesn't mean that you're
gonna have to rely on it, orshould you rely on it, to

(01:35:28):
continue living, because youcan't just be on it all the time
.
I ended up opening the door tofreaking ufos and nhi and to the
point where there is no comingback.
Like they, you know, like I'mseeing UFOs all the time.
There are beings in my houseall the time on my porch,

(01:35:49):
everywhere I go making contact.
As beautiful as that is youalso for me, what my biggest
thing is you need consciousnessdoes not have boundaries.
If I can leave you withanything is it's that there are
no boundaries.
So when you go out and explorethese different things, know

(01:36:09):
that there's nothing concrete,it just flows, right.
So when we're exploring, youalso need to remember that you
flow and that we're all flowingin this sea of information, and
it will make sense to you atsome point.

Anthony (01:36:25):
Yeah.
So, with that said, our planfor this podcast moving forward,
we plan on bringing on otherexperiencers like ourselves, who
have had sometimes even weirderexperiences than us and so many
different types.

I wouldn't label it as weird.
It's very important to notlabel things as weird.

Anthony (01:36:45):
Yeah, sorry, I take pride in the weirdness myself.
I know some people don't, but,yeah, I like calling myself
weird, but I don't want to be anormie, you know.
But that's just me, that'sdiscrimination.
All right, not weird, we'll sayamazing and profound,
otherworldly, yeah, and we also,you know, I want to follow that

(01:37:06):
flow of synchronicity that hasallowed us to expand our
networks and our circles, and Ihave like a long list of
scientists, of academics, ofscholars of different types who
approach this field, in additionto the experiencers.
And I think it's going to beimportant for humanity moving

(01:37:28):
forward, to really make progresson this topic is to learn how
to have those discussionsbetween those two groups that
they're not always, they're notseparate groups.

There are experiencers who are scientists and
academics and vice versa, um,and and they and we're going to
be providing, hopefully, the,the environment, the safe space
for those conversations and thatdialogue to take place, um, in
order to further this, thistopic, and our understanding of
it and our experience of it yeah, the the essence of what we are

(01:38:02):
trying to do is to help bridgethe gaps that exist and bring
this more unified picture,because everyone's trying to
explore the same thing,different approaches, everyone's
talking about the same thingand everyone is having
experiences of the same thingthat are different, whether it's

(01:38:24):
actual experiencers or justscientific slash academic folks
exploring this topic and beyond.

Anthony (01:38:31):
Or within the experiencers themselves.
I mean we have like UFO people.
When you go digging, it'll cometo you yeah the paranormal
people, the UFO people, you know, the cryptid people, the
supernatural religious peopleand their experiences.

And the whole point is , we want to validate everyone
who is exploring themselves andtherefore the cosmos,
consciousness, beings, theessence of it all.
We want to validate theirperspectives and we want again
to bridge the gap in theconversations that are taking

(01:39:07):
place, because a lot of people,through programming, think and
are very territorial about theirtopics, they're very
territorial about their fieldsand it's like, uh-uh, I'm saying
this and it's only this, or Ithink only this and only that,
or I think only this and onlythat.
And so what we want to do isbring everyone through so that
you can determine from your ownperspective what that looks like

(01:39:28):
for you and how you can getinformed about your world and
your sense of the world and, atthe end of the day, who you
really are and your connectionto everyone else.

Anthony (01:39:41):
Yeah, well, thanks for joining us.
Thank you.
We've got a lot of interestingshows to come and looking
forward to it.

Thank you so much for joining.
Have a wonderful day, take care, and we love you.

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