Zach King’s Artist on Production Design, Filmmaking, and AI Art | Daisy Liao

Welcome to episode 7 of The First Act Break podcast, the show where we dive into the art, business, and hustle of breaking into the film industry. 

Today, we bring on Daisy Liao (aka JJUTO), a production designer who's worked with Zach King and directed the Orange County Film Festival. We chat about her side quests in modeling and Jubilee, career in production design, and thoughts on AI art.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 03 (00:00):
What is it like working

Speaker 00 (00:01):
with Zach King?
When I was on the Lunchablescommercial, I was standing in
for his son who was going to belike, who was going to be the
actor, right?
And then there was like thisdinosaur thing and then he told
me like to roar and I was like,bro, I don't know how to roar.
He was like, never knew thatthere was such a big network of
pirates in California.
Bro, I don't even want to talkabout it, guys.
I literally like crashed out.

(00:22):
I burnt out so bad.
Literally the day before thefestival, I was sitting there, I
was painting, spray paintingand aging like 50 of those.
so i literally cannot escapetrash and rubble and grass we
literally picked up like ahundred cardboard boxes so this
like homeless man came up to meand he literally brought me this
whole tray of sushi and he waslike you can eat that because i

(00:45):
don't want to live on thisplanet i want to make stuff that
doesn't belong here i emailedthe dean of roski and i asked
her to meet did you i did

Speaker 02 (00:54):
Daisy, welcome to

Speaker 03 (00:55):
the show.

Speaker 00 (00:55):
Hi.
So

Speaker 03 (00:56):
glad to have you on.

Speaker 00 (00:57):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 03 (00:58):
Super excited to have you on the show today.
Daisy, how would you describewhat it is you do?

Speaker 00 (01:03):
Well, I do like a little bit of everything.
I do modeling.
I do fine arts, which includeslike painting, sculpting,
sketching, drawing, whatever.
And also I do production designfor film.
I used to make films like Iwanted to direct, but then right
now I've discovered my passionfor production design.
So I design a lot of stages.
I build a lot of stuff.

(01:23):
I'm like Bob with the builderyou know what i mean um painting
and all that stuff just i feellike it's all interconnected oh
and i do content creator um andi do content creation on the
side just to document my lifeand i don't know share my art

Speaker 03 (01:38):
yeah totally i love how you're combining those two
you know because a lot of timeslike art is a very traditional
thing where you just like makestuff but then combining it with
like the new like TikTok,Instagram it's like able to get
more reach and

Speaker 00 (01:51):
get to more audiences I think that social
media is a great way to likehelp build your like what's it
called your branding for yourown like art and like film and
whatever you do more people knowabout you in the future they'll
like buy your art or likesupport your film you know it's
a win-win situation

Speaker 03 (02:08):
well more on that later in the episode

Speaker 00 (02:10):
yeah we'll talk about that

Speaker 03 (02:10):
later we'll be talking about your production
design career you know you'vemade production design and art
stuff for Zen Yes.

Speaker 00 (02:19):
So I did four projects with them.
I was an art assistant directorand a stylist for one of them.
One of them was with Hikaru.
So two of them were withHikaru.
And then the other one was withBJ's for their BJ's Pazuki
commercial.

Speaker 02 (02:36):
Hikaru as in the chess player?

Speaker 00 (02:37):
Yes.
Oh, cool.
Yes, the grandmaster chessplayer.
I didn't know who he was untilI was there.
I was like, I don't know chess,but he's cool.
Very down-to-earth people.
And then the last one wasfor...
Lunchables.
Lunchables commercial.
Yes, yes, yes.
That's

Speaker 03 (02:50):
sick.
Yeah.
What is it like working withZach King?

Speaker 00 (02:53):
He is honestly like one of the most...
down-to-earth person ever.
You do not feel like you'reworking with him.
He feels more like a friend, ifyou know what I mean.
One time, when I was on theLunchables commercial, I was
standing in for his son, who wasgoing to be the actor, right?
And then there was thisdinosaur thing, and then he told

(03:14):
me to roar.
And I was like, bro, I don'tknow how to roar.
He was like, your roar is soweak.
I was like...

Speaker 03 (03:19):
He's

Speaker 00 (03:20):
just honestly a very friendly person, yeah.

Speaker 03 (03:22):
That's sick.
How do you think someonebecomes like that?
Like...
What are the traits to besomeone like that?

Speaker 00 (03:27):
Okay, honestly, I feel like definitely...
takes a lot of growth like I'msure as someone with like
hundreds of millions offollowers on social media in the
beginning there was probablylike a time where they were like
more like oh I have followingbut then it just takes time to
like humble yourself and then Ifeel like it's because he's been
like out there for so long thathe's already learned how to

(03:48):
carry himself very well so Ithink that's probably one of the
reasons and because he'sprobably just a good person in
general awesome

Speaker 03 (03:55):
yeah we all like to work with people like that

Speaker 02 (03:58):
yeah do you think his work has influenced your
production design work at alllike does that feed into your
style or do you think it's moreof a collaborative effort

Speaker 00 (04:07):
um definitely i think it has because his stuff
is a little bit more likemundane but also a little
extraordinary like one of theproduction designers that i help
with on the set she made likethis giant frisbee out of like
styrofoam and i just becauselike they threw it at the camera
right and then it had to likelook like it was hitting zach so
it was like i was just like wowthis is kind of cool like I

(04:29):
want to be making stuff likethis too so I get inspired by
working with the people that'son the set that's there you know
and

Speaker 02 (04:37):
you've been working or you've been watching him
since you were a kid I startedwatching him when I was a kid so
he's been doing this for awhile how does it feel to like
work for someone that you wereinspired by when you were
younger

Speaker 00 (04:48):
okay so This is a great question because I feel
like a lot of the stuff thatI've like thought of or dreamed
of when I was younger becomingto reality is like unreal to me.
Like for example, working withlike music artists that I've
watched or like meeting peoplein real life, like influencers
that I used to look up to.
I'm like, wow, like I've reallygrown as a person to the point

(05:10):
that I could be in a space whereI could be meeting these
people.
So I feel like I'm very proudof myself and very honored that
I'm able to be in the same roomwith them.
yeah

Speaker 03 (05:21):
that's

Speaker 00 (05:21):
sick

Speaker 03 (05:21):
yeah and how did you come across like working with
Zach King like how did you geton

Speaker 00 (05:26):
there okay so I was a part of film at academy for my
senior year only one year andin that summer the previous year
I won best editing for one ofmy films in the festival so the
founder Dave Junker very popularname around here, film ed.
I know you see this.
But Dave Junker, he asked me tohelp become the editing

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instructor at the summer camps.
So we always, it's like anintensive summer camp program in
the summer where it's like twoweeks and you do all the film
production stuff.
You learn editing, how to shootmovies, how to write a script,
how to tell a story.
So that was when I, the summerthat I worked there, he invited
one of our alumni, her name isAshley, and She brought Zach to

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do this lecture at the film campwhere he was just kind of
teaching and telling kids abouthis filmmaking and production.
So it was just like a guestspeaker.
And then, because...
they wanted to film at theschool and I was kind of like
just like assisting everythingso I like literally helped them

(06:31):
uh secure the school gym andlike all the locations so I was
kind of doing a little producinglike helping work she liked my
work ethics so she brought meonto the set

Speaker 03 (06:39):
yeah oh yeah that's awesome and can you speak more
on like what film ed is for allthe people that don't know

Speaker 00 (06:45):
okay so film ed is a high school film program you
can you have to audition to bein this program it's like very
exclusive you um earliest youstart sophomore year so you can
be in this program for like oneto four years and it literally
teaches you it's like this broadnetwork of filmmakers in Irvine
Unified School District whereevery school comes together for

(07:07):
a summer camp in the summer sothere's like three sessions each
of them are like two weeks eachand then you just learn how to
do film production as a highschooler and I think that's what
was able to bring me ahead oflike my peers in my age group in
terms of that because I wasable to to get this connection
with this filmmaking stuff.
All the students there are intheir respective high school

(07:30):
news broadcast program.
So it's like Pertola NewsNetwork, Northwood NTV, and then
like Irvine ITV, and thenHawkTalk and all that stuff.
There's always like supertalented people in each of them.
And you really learn how tobecome a leader because you're
like a producer for like asegment at a school like
broadcast.
Right.
And you film those segments.

(07:51):
You direct them.
You write everything.
You learn how to like film spotfeatures and stuff.
Yeah.

Speaker 03 (07:56):
That's so cool.

Speaker 00 (07:57):
It's basically film school.

Speaker 03 (07:58):
I know so many great like talented filmmakers from
that program at USC.

Speaker 00 (08:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 03 (08:03):
So they're definitely doing something
right.

Speaker 00 (08:04):
They're definitely doing.

Speaker 03 (08:05):
Bringing up the next generation

Speaker 02 (08:07):
of you guys.
Do you still collaborate withthe people that you met?

Speaker 00 (08:09):
No.
Yeah.
Program.
Oh my God.
Like Cece, I met her in theprogram.
Alex as well.
And then like, who else?
Well, Ryan is also from thatprogram.
He taught, he was actually myinstructor the day, the year
before.
Oh

Speaker 03 (08:23):
my God.
Does he know you?

Speaker 00 (08:24):
Well, yeah.
Oh, well, He probably didn'tknow me back then, but then we
knew each other after the filmfestival that I was nominated
in.

Speaker 03 (08:33):
Oh, awesome.
Great.
Speaking of that film festival,though, I know you directed one
of those festivals.
Talk about that.

Speaker 00 (08:41):
Okay, so the Orange County Film Festival was like
the biggest film festival inOrange County.
We're like a small town groupof people, right?
So everybody wanted to submittheir films.
Everybody wanted to benominated and win.
So...
I won filmmaker of the year theyear of my senior year, which
is like the biggest award and soDave junker He invited me to

(09:02):
direct the next film festival.
He was like, oh I have thiscrazy idea We're gonna do a
theme with pirates.
So every year there's adifferent theme.
Sometimes there's no themedepending on the budget Yeah,
but he was like, are you down todo pirates?
I was like, I yes because Ithought that was like super
unique and I was able to havesome artistic freedom with it so
that was like a nine monthprocess we started in July where

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he was telling me oh we need tobring this giant I want this
giant ship on the stage and Iwant water in the front so we
ended up hitting like this likepirate show in like Anaheim and
just kind of watching like thepirate show with the stunts and
stuff like that just to kind ofplan out how we wanted the
festival to be and then um We'rejust kind of fundraising and
producing for a while, hittingup different pirate

(09:49):
organizations.
They're like a gang.
Literally, it's like motorcycletattoo gang up in here,
especially in San Diego.
I never knew that there wassuch a big network of pirates in
California.
yeah no there is no no it'slike very like low-key but like
there's a lot of people that arereally into that stuff like oh

Speaker 03 (10:08):
like when you say pirates you're talking about
like fans of pirates not likepeople who rob

Speaker 00 (10:11):
shit no no like yeah pirate fan but okay well they
kind of are kind of like thatlike a motorcycle gang imagine
that and they're like super likehippie so that's kind of the
vibe

Speaker 03 (10:20):
unless i mean as long as they're not like hurting
people

Speaker 00 (10:23):
no no no no no but they're just i just think
they're really cool like theyhave their own aesthetic and
stuff so um and then in februarywe shot the nominee video so
the nomination video is a videowhere there is it's like a story
and it reveals the theme sonone of the students know that
it's a pirate theme festivaluntil they see the nomination

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video so that video is likeusually like 20 to 40 minutes
long because there's a prop thatshows each the names of the
nominees through like it's likea storytelling way of like
revealing the nominees likeinstead of like for example like
american all-american highschool where they're just like
oh nominated the nominees forthis are this is more like i'm

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gonna like they're gonna gothrough a story yeah and then
they show the prop like forexample this year's bro I don't
even want to talk about it,guys.
I literally like crashed out.
I burnt out so bad because twoweeks before we were supposed to
shoot, we actually secured alocation at the Maritime Museum
of San Diego on a real pirateship.

(11:26):
It was like antique orwhatever.
It was super difficult andexpensive.
But it...
Two weeks before that, I was inmy art studio making like
around 159 props by hand becausethere's like 23 categories for
the nominations and then each ofthem has like around 2 to 10.

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Most of them are like 10 ormore.
So like every single name hadto be on a prop.
So I was in charge of makingevery single one of them.
So I made gold bars out of claybecause he wanted gold bars.
For the category ofcinematography, I made 10
paintings.
That was each of the shot oflike from the film.
So I literally painted them byhand and put them in like an

(12:07):
antique frame.
There was like so many of thosethings.
And I also made like burlapbags.
I wrote names in rope andfreaking twine.
Like there's just like so manylike silly little things that I
did.
And then I went scouting atlike all the prop houses in L.A.
for private stuff.
I went to History for Hire,Alley Cats, Lenny Marvin.

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And Greenset.
So those are like some reallybig and really good production
design warehouses.
If you ever want to hit thoseup, they're super cool.
Like I'm literally in heavenwhen I'm there.
Yeah.
And we also rented like a lotof props to bring down to San
Diego so that we could put likemaybe like barrels onto the
ship.
We have like knives and stuffand guns and stuff.

(12:51):
It was super sick.

Speaker 02 (12:52):
Okay.
Awesome.
Was that the biggest projectyou've worked

Speaker 00 (12:55):
on?
Definitely.
And still today?
Yes, I think so.
That was like...
Like I was sick within thosetwo week period as well.
So I was just in this, I was inthe studio like 10 hours a day,
just working on those props.
And I was like, you know what?
I'm going to get through this.
And I got like really badfever.
So I was literally eating dayquill when we were at the ship

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and we shot for two days.
This was in February of 2024.
Yeah.
And then after that nominationvideo, there was another whole
thing where like, They built aship.
I designed the ship that wouldgo onto the stage of the
festival.
We got like two, three, 20 feettall palm trees from like the

(13:36):
warehouses, like the prop housesin LA.
And it was the loading day.
You would not believe it, bro.
It was like me and this likeother person.
So I was like loading.
I was helping loading like allthe stuff into like the freaking
truck.
We had this like giant truckand I was just like, I'm like 95
pounds.
The treasure chest is likeprobably 30 pounds.

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Yes, we had a dolly, but likemost of the stuff is like
probably heavier than me.
I, you know, you see my arms, Igot no gains.
But you know, I got through it.
It's okay.
I'm a furniture mover for lifeI guess yeah there was like a
three like a week period wherewe just like loading everything
on stage and like there waspeople from film ed building a
freaking like a pier like a minipier on like the side of the

(14:21):
stage oh you had

Speaker 02 (14:22):
to build

Speaker 00 (14:22):
that yes by wood like someone built that I was
like dude you are a blessing andwe also had like this we so you
know how like in theater rightthere's like those pits where
the music is playing so we dropthose down like a few inches and
we put a tarp and we filled itwith water and there was a plank
okay across the water so whenthe nominees they go up to

(14:45):
receive their award they have towalk over the water onto the
stage there was like there wasstunts like pirates shooting
guns and stuff it was super cooland i had to well and then we
designed someone um designedthis like pirate metal thing and
it was supposed to be liketheir prize when they received
their award right so nobodypainted those they just printed

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it and Like, they 3D printed itin, like, gold, but it was ugly.
So, like, literally the daybefore the festival, I was
sitting there, I was painting,spray painting, and aging, like,
50 of those.

Speaker 04 (15:18):
Oh, my

Speaker 00 (15:19):
God.
Like, you know, I just had tobe doing a lot of stuff at the
same time.
It was just, yeah.

Speaker 02 (15:24):
That's got to be, like, the coolest award ceremony
thing.
Yeah.
The Oscars should invite you todo something.

Speaker 00 (15:31):
Oh, yes! Please! I feel

Speaker 02 (15:32):
like this sounds so much cooler than whatever they
do

Speaker 00 (15:34):
at the

Speaker 02 (15:35):
Academy Awards.
They don't even do that atSundance.
Yeah, they don't, that's...
Yeah, that sounds amazing.

Speaker 00 (15:39):
Yeah, that's why film ed is like...
And the reason why this...
festival is so special isbecause all the alumni come to
work on it in the nominationvideo like some of the actors in
there it's like sprinkling likecameos of like i was in the
nomination video painting andstuff like that just sprinkling
cameos of past award winners andlike filmmakers that you would

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you would have met if you werein the program right yeah so
that's like the special part

Speaker 03 (16:05):
that is so is ocff like for students only

Speaker 00 (16:08):
yes it is only for high school students who are in
irvine

Speaker 03 (16:13):
oh

Speaker 00 (16:13):
cool so you can think about the scale of this
thing and like for exampleyou're talking about Sundance
right yeah I feel like this issuch a unique and special
experience for like high schoolstudents and for me it was like
a memory for a lifetime like Iwould not have chosen anything
else over film ed so it was likevery special to me

Speaker 03 (16:33):
that's awesome And some people you met earlier, you
talked about, you worked, youmet Alex.
Yes.
Who you just did productiondesign for on his 310

Speaker 00 (16:43):
film.
So I was, Alex, he was thefestival director before me
because he was the pastfilmmaker of the year.
And so I invite, I asked him,hey, I asked him and Cece if
they wanted to direct thenomination video.
So we were just all workingtogether and it was like all
film ed, just like there, yeah.

Speaker 03 (17:01):
That's great.
And talk a little bit aboutthat zombie movie you made with,
alex

Speaker 00 (17:05):
oh right okay so that was a fun little project um
what do i

Speaker 03 (17:11):
That was like one of my favorite like three tens
I've seen.
Oh, really?
You know, it was just so sick.
It really made me believe thatI was in this dystopian world
where there's like zombies andstuff.

Speaker 00 (17:21):
Yeah.
So I feel like honestly, Alexis just an amazing filmmaker.
Like I look up to him.
The reason why I joined filmmed is because he won like six
awards at the OCFF the yearbefore.
And at that time, I wasn't evendoing film.
So I could you could say heinspired me to do film.
And so I joined the program forlike a year and then.
wow, I just believe myself andthen we got here.

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So for that film.
the most important part was theplants.
So he wanted this likeovergrown last of us vibe, you
know, with like all the kind oflike abandoned house vibes and
trash and like all this likecans and stuff.
Um, so we shot in the basementthat everybody shoots in for
three 10.

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I've been there like twice now.
Hopefully I won't be there athird time, but honestly that's
a great place.
I kind of, it's a good place.
It's not that, it's not thathot this time.
Cause I did that for you.
And it was so hot when I shotfor Giles Films.
moly moly oh my god it's likeno there's like i couldn't
control that no i know i'm noti'm not saying anything no yeah

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but i'm just saying like we getthrough those we go through
trauma together you know yeah umplants i went into like chino
hills area and i literally wenton a trail and i i was like i
can't be getting too many fakeplants it's gonna look too like
not realistic so i literallypulled up the ground like the

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weeds from the and I put it likeI had like two giant trash bags
full of those and I brought iton set and I also did have fake
plants and stuff so that waslike honestly the biggest thing
for that set and then we justmade like um the main
character's like sister a littlefort like a little like base

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kind of moment yeah so it waslike a very cute moment i really
like that film that's

Speaker 02 (19:09):
it i feel like that like level of dedication is why
like filmmakers would love towork with you oh really and yeah
i'll work with you and yeah sodid justin and talk a little bit
about uh melodies of war

Speaker 00 (19:21):
melodies of war guys oh my gosh so i literally
cannot escape trash and rubbleand grass okay for jiang's film
i went to a construction dumpsite because i wanted rubble to
be scattered on the floorbecause it was like the you know
like world war ii war and thenthe house is abandoned it's

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falling apart in rural china soi was like i gotta get rubble
even though it wasn't even thatshown on camera i was like you
know the thought was there itried so i went to the
construction dump site scavengedthrough the dumpster and looked
at pieces where i could bringso i got like five mosquito
bites from that but it's okayand then what else hermit crab
right

Speaker 02 (20:02):
that's right

Speaker 00 (20:03):
all right hermit crab okay every production
designer's favorite place isfacebook marketplace so me and
my production designer adelinewe literally picked up like a
hundred cardboard boxes fromfacebook marketplace and we also
like try to like get like somepacking boxes that we had right
and then there was also liketrash yeah We just literally had

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to keep clean trash and bringclean trash that we were
hoarding for a week onto the setbecause it was this mid-life
crisis film, right?
There's trash everywhere,cardboard boxes everywhere.
So yeah, a lot of cardboard, alot of trash, a lot of rubble,
and a lot of plants.
That's...
that's what i do

Speaker 03 (20:42):
that's awesome you make it really pop you know you
make it so much more believableof a space

Speaker 00 (20:47):
yeah that's why i'm dedicated it's all in the
details you

Speaker 03 (20:51):
know it really is like honestly a lot of the stuff
you couldn't see in melodiesthat were like the the rubber
glass but you know i

Speaker 00 (20:58):
know

Speaker 03 (20:58):
the fact that it was there just made the actors you
know act

Speaker 00 (21:00):
so much more better too i think that's a part of
production design it's just thatthe environment that we're all
immersing ourselves like in whenwe work that's important um
Because we get into that storyzone.
And then even though it was notseen, I'm fine with it.
I didn't, I tried my best.

Speaker 02 (21:17):
I'm curious though, when you're working with the
director, do you come up withstuff that surprised them in a
way?
Because obviously theycommunicate a vision, but
usually there are spaces whereyou would come up with things
that even surprised them.
So were there instanceswhere...
directors will come to you andgo, hey, that's awesome that I
didn't even think of that, butthat totally adds to the story.

Speaker 00 (21:36):
Yes, so actually for Veins, what did I do?

Speaker 03 (21:40):
The zombie movie.

Speaker 00 (21:41):
Yes, Veins, the zombie movie.
What did I do for that?
Okay, yes.
So when all Alex gave me was...
like a storyboard he gave methe shot that he wanted and then
I drew in physically what Iwanted in that space and he was
like oh my god that has so muchstorytelling detail because
there was like this it was likea shot where the brother was

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sitting with his little sisterand I drew in like a little
sketchbook that he had in hisscript and then the lamp that he
like all the like hero propsthat he mentioned in his script
I placed it into the space andgave him a visual representation
of how I wanted the shot to bebut and then just had so much
storytelling detail and he saidthat to me physically so I was
like, I'm proud of myself.

Speaker 03 (22:21):
You know, I want to do something

Speaker 00 (22:22):
fun.

Speaker 03 (22:23):
Look at this room, right?

Speaker 00 (22:24):
Okay.

Speaker 03 (22:25):
This is the podcast studio.

Speaker 00 (22:26):
Okay.

Speaker 03 (22:26):
Let's say I was a director who is shooting in this
room, but I want this room tobe a spaceship.

Speaker 00 (22:32):
Spaceship?

Speaker 03 (22:33):
How would you production design it?

Speaker 00 (22:35):
You want this room to be a spaceship?

Speaker 03 (22:36):
Yeah, the living quarters of a spaceship.

Speaker 00 (22:40):
Okay, NASA, right?

Speaker 03 (22:42):
Something like Star Wars.

Speaker 00 (22:44):
Something like Star Wars.
Okay.

Speaker 03 (22:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 00 (22:46):
So first things first, I would, I would put, you
know how like the spaceship haslike those white tubes things,
right?
So this area we would coverthat window and we would get
maybe something like a papermaterial thing, like a tube.
And we'd cover this entirespace to make this circle.
Yeah.
Cover this entire space to makea circle.
And then we, I would make, if Ihad a budget,

Speaker 03 (23:09):
infinite

Speaker 02 (23:10):
budget infinite

Speaker 00 (23:10):
budget okay infinite budget all right so and then on
this wall i would makesomething out of wood like a
board and i would make that likeall the controls and stuff like
that and i would probably putthe bed here instead of over
there so this is like where thelittle sleeping quarters would
be and then there would be likea wall like the cushioned wall
and then maybe some controlslike on the other side let me

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think on that side yes and thenwe would have the airplane like
the space food Right in thiscubby right here.

Speaker 03 (23:40):
Yes.

Speaker 00 (23:40):
So, yeah.
Okay,

Speaker 03 (23:42):
what if it's a caveman's house?

Speaker 00 (23:45):
A caveman's house?

Speaker 03 (23:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 00 (23:46):
What is a caveman?
Like

Speaker 03 (23:49):
someone from our ancestors, you know?

Speaker 00 (23:51):
Like a nomad.
Okay.

Speaker 03 (23:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 00 (23:54):
Okay, so...
History for Hire has theserocks.
They're like these empty on theinside...
What is it called?

Speaker 04 (24:04):
Styrofoam?

Speaker 00 (24:04):
No, not styrofoam.
There are styrofoam rocks, butit's like this resin, something
like that.
The resin rock, I would get abunch of those, maybe put them
on the side over here, and thenI would make something out of
paper mache.
So I would get cardboard, and Iwould cover the space.
Again, we're going to make acave-like...
kind of thing and then I wouldcover it with cardboard paper

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mache paint it so that it's notlike not heavy and I don't want
to do all that I actually madefake rocks before so I would do
that same process with the paperlike newspaper and stuff and
then we would just put maybemaybe like some burnt wood in
the middle like to mimic thecampfire and then maybe some
like personal possession likeancient relics like Sumerian

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like gods stuff like that liketo be like their religion like
maybe on the corner over here

Speaker 04 (24:52):
okay

Speaker 00 (24:52):
and then I would honestly maybe like some bones
yeah like some fake bones ohyeah we can get those at history
for hire and we just scatter it

Speaker 03 (25:00):
that's sick

Speaker 00 (25:01):
and then maybe some weapons as well

Speaker 03 (25:03):
okay so what is your process like what's the first
thing you think about whensomeone's like here's the room i
want to make it look likewhatever you know how do you
start doing that and planning

Speaker 00 (25:12):
okay that that's it just comes to me like i feel
like you tell me anything you'relike you're like i want a
flower i have a vision in myhead and i'm like and i look
around and i'm like okay It'slike, you know, have you seen
Queen's Gambit?

Speaker 04 (25:27):
Yes.

Speaker 00 (25:27):
So instead of visualizing the moves on the
chessboard, I start envisioningthe stuff.
Like moving around in thespace.
Oh, that's

Speaker 02 (25:36):
so

Speaker 00 (25:36):
cool.
Yeah.
Not like, it's not likeliterally, like it's not, you
know, you know what I mean.
Yeah, right, right, right.
It's kind of like an image inyour

Speaker 02 (25:42):
head.

Speaker 00 (25:42):
Like a mental note of how things would grow and
stuff.
Yeah.

Speaker 02 (25:45):
Would you say that's something that you had since
the beginning or does it comewith practice and just doing
more production

Speaker 00 (25:50):
design?
Okay, well, for art, that'salso my process for like a
painting.
I'm like, oh, I see this blankcanvas and I'm like, I want this
here.
And I want to paint a strokelike that.
I just close my eyes and I'mvisioning what it looks like.
So I've had that when I wasyounger.
But for production design,definitely with experience.
I wouldn't have known to usecardboard to do that

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caveman-like thing if I didn'tdo that project where I had to
make a fake rock.
Or know that there's props thatI can rent at History for Hire
for this set.

Speaker 03 (26:20):
You know what?
Back to that one question Iasked you with the design.
Because I'm actually directinga film in two days about a
nine-year-old kid from themidwest we'll kind of talk a
little bit about it who hascancer how would you design his
room

Speaker 00 (26:35):
okay so i know you sent me a wallpaper

Speaker 03 (26:39):
yeah

Speaker 00 (26:40):
okay wait so a midwestern midwestern kid how
old is he nine nine okay howwould i design his room okay
beige okay something i feel likeit's more like a brown the
color scheme i'm getting is likeThat kind of mustardy or

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yellow, but more like a mutedtone of yellow.
Mustardy yellow, cream, andbrown.

Speaker 04 (27:10):
Okay.

Speaker 00 (27:11):
So we're bringing in the Western color scheme in
there.
Yeah.
So we would have some...
Is he like a cowboy?

Speaker 03 (27:18):
He's not a cowboy.
He's sick.

Speaker 00 (27:21):
Oh, he's sick.

Speaker 03 (27:21):
He's bedridden.

Speaker 00 (27:23):
Okay, bedridden?
Then never mind.
He

Speaker 03 (27:24):
likes animals,

Speaker 00 (27:25):
though.
No...
No warm colors.
So for all those colors.
I just mentioned it has to becool.
Okay, so why because he's sickThat's like the visual
storytelling element of itbecause you know when it's cold.
Yeah You can't have bluebecause that's just too basic
but anything that's like cooltone in whatever color.
Okay, and then um, obviouslyVery empty the room wouldn't

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have too much decor except foranimals, right?
So maybe that wallpaper if he'ssick then wouldn't how sick is
he would he have like a lifesupport

Speaker 03 (27:58):
he's not that sick he's not that sick this is like
early stages

Speaker 00 (28:01):
of early stages of it okay so obviously a lot of
personal possessions right yeahyeah so

Speaker 03 (28:07):
he's been living that same room for the last like
nine years

Speaker 00 (28:09):
okay so not really toys but what do mr midwestern
kids like to play with

Speaker 03 (28:15):
like any other kid you know they're

Speaker 00 (28:17):
not too different okay then then we just have some
like some maybe like Legos.
Legos, yeah.
Legos.
Maybe like a spaceship.
Like he wants to go somewherefar.
Yeah.
He wants to get out of thisplace.
He wants to go to the ocean.
Maybe animals and nature.
Animals and nature.
So if he likes animals, helikes nature.
So I like that wallpaper ideathat you chose.

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So I would say probably someplants because that helps with
respiration.
Maybe his mom would put that inthere.
Yes.
Because to help with thatstuff.
And then maybe...
Like a plate, like a very smallcorner of the room where his
mom put medicine and stuff totake care of him.
But it's very neat on like oneside of the room.

Speaker 04 (28:57):
Okay.

Speaker 00 (28:57):
Yeah, something like that.
And then bed, honestly, justlike a single bed.
Like a very, like even smallerthan this type of thing.
And then just whatever likelittle boy...
little boy um bed sheets inthat color scheme that i
mentioned

Speaker 04 (29:14):
yeah

Speaker 00 (29:14):
but i think we gotta add a little bit of green in
there when you think ofmidwestern like how does the
audience know that he's from themidwest right so you gotta use
the color scheme that audiencethink immediately that's midwest

Speaker 03 (29:25):
cowboy poster

Speaker 00 (29:26):
yeah i don't

Speaker 02 (29:28):
know dude yeah you got two days to make all of that
happen

Speaker 03 (29:31):
I'll surprise you.
And stay tuned for that movie.

Speaker 00 (29:33):
Yes, guys.
The

Speaker 03 (29:34):
Little Bird.

Speaker 00 (29:35):
Okay.
Okay.

Speaker 03 (29:36):
Talk a little bit about Cece's movie, Margot.

Speaker 00 (29:38):
Margot.
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
I feel like I always have somuch lore when I talk about
that.
Yeah.
First things first, that was,like, the first ever shoot that
I did overnight shoots on.
So I was actually insanelyexhausted.
Like, I'd never, like, I don'tknow.
That was not my sleep schedule.
But that one was, like, a veryheartwarming movie.

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I, like...
And the production design wasgenerally simple.
So we wanted to create thislike kind of like low income
Asian Chinese family with like awhere there's only a mother and
daughter living there.
So obviously I was able tobring in a lot of stuff from my
household and my friend'shousehold, just like little

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bowls with like florals on it.
And then the table mat that'slike floral, like just very like
stereotypical stuff that youwould find in a Chinese
household.
And I was able to get a lot ofinspiration from my grandma's
house.
So I just had to find a lot ofthat stuff and obviously like
the Chinese calendar hanging onthe wall and then they're like
like there was like a bok choyso i literally like made food

(30:42):
for this set as well oh yes ohmy god i forgot about the
chicken alfredo oh my god sothere was a hero prop where
margo is in the back of her workfor that she spills the chicken
alfredo onto him so i had tomake it on site so i boiled the
pasta brought it on set uh gotlike got like those frozen

(31:03):
chicken alfredo stuff so I couldget like the vegetables and
then I got the chicken alfredosauce.
So every single take, betweenevery single take, I would take
my tong, put some pasta in thereand then put like the
vegetables in it so I placed itso that they could spill it the
next time.
I think I did like, I did thatlike 12 times or something like
that.
So I ran out of chicken Alfredopasta at the end.

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12

Speaker 02 (31:24):
takes of that.

Speaker 00 (31:25):
I don't know how many takes it was, but it was a
lot.
I just know I did that a

Speaker 03 (31:29):
lot.
That's so cool.
I'm excited to see that when

Speaker 00 (31:33):
it comes out.
And then while we were there,we were like in Santa Ana.
There's always silly stuffhappening to me on set.
So this homeless man came up tome and he literally brought me
this whole tray of sushi.
and he was like you can eatthat we were like not sure about
eating it but i just igenuinely enjoy these little
things that happen on set likethere's a cat on that set oh my

(31:54):
god the house that we shot athad like two little cats and
then there was like the straycat outside and she was just
like i don't know i feel likei'm being chosen by like the cat
no that's

Speaker 03 (32:03):
sick though

Speaker 00 (32:03):
just i love animals on set we were just maybe not
dogs but cats sorry yeah

Speaker 03 (32:10):
no you would have loved to be on teenhood i wish
you were on there because it wason a farm and had like every
animal possible

Speaker 04 (32:16):
that is so

Speaker 03 (32:17):
cool it's like a fucking goat just like

Speaker 04 (32:19):
walking yeah

Speaker 03 (32:19):
but um besides doing production design for film you
also do production design forother mediums like theater

Speaker 00 (32:26):
oh yes

Speaker 03 (32:27):
talk a little bit about the theater show you were
doing pd for

Speaker 00 (32:30):
okay so i did that in july of last year and it's
called literal translation isthe wild but in chinese it's
called yuanye and it's a verytraditional chinese play that's
like very famous in china butthey were trying to bring it it
was for the time theatercollective company and they were
able to bring that show here imade this rock that was like

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really tall, and you had, theactor had to climb on it.
I was the assistant stagedesigner, so there was actually,
like, a stage designer there,and I was just helping him, and
so he was, like, building, like,like, the wood structure, but I
was the one that, like, gluedall the cardboard on it, and
then did all the painting, andwe made, like, two of those
rocks, because, like, one ofthem, the actor had to sit on
it, and then the other one was,like, there was stair in the

(33:18):
back, and then you had to, like,hide the stairs, obviously, and
the actor would climb on it andstuff.
So, yeah, and then there was,like, these, like, really
traditional chinese furniturethat i had to paint and stuff so
it was pretty fun

Speaker 02 (33:31):
that's sick what would you say is like the
biggest difference between liketheater production design and
film

Speaker 00 (33:35):
okay so theater it doesn't have to look real in
that space you know what i meanit's like more just like props
like the actor is gonna sit herethere's a table and a chair
they're like just talking theperformance is what matters but
for film it's more like look ofit every corner and detail needs
to look perfect on film to makeit look believable i feel like
theater it's not gonna bebelievable you know what i mean

(33:59):
because you're like literally ina theater watching like people
act on a stage so right that'sthe only difference

Speaker 02 (34:05):
that's so interesting would you would you
ever do like a film that's moretheatrical as in the film itself
is For example, Hermit Crab.
I think there are theatricalelements to it where it's a
little fantastical.
It's all about, you know, thisperson who's going a little bit
off the rails.
So talk a little bit about howyou distinguish like producing

(34:27):
realism, say like in Margotversus Hermit Crab, which is a
little bit more exaggerated anda little bit more theatrical, if
you will.

Speaker 00 (34:34):
So I personally prefer theatrical over realism
because I'm more like a personthat likes to think outside the
box.
My next collection for my finearts is actually all about
extraterrestrial beings andplants and stuff so i just made
i don't know if you guys saw myflower that i made that's like
supposed to be like an alienlily flower because i don't want
to live on this planet i wantto make stuff that doesn't

(34:56):
belong here i want to go tojutopia the difference is
obviously realism is like youhave to make it look believable
but theatrical is like oh that'scool it's more jarring it's
more like oh this is somethingnew that i haven't seen before
it might not be real but there'slike a deeper meaning beyond
what you see onto the screen,which is why I prefer that so

(35:17):
much more.

Speaker 03 (35:18):
You just brought up Zootopia.
Talk about what that is.

Speaker 00 (35:22):
Okay, so guys, Zootopia is my planet.
That's the world that I livein.
I feel like I definitely...
I live in a...
I live in my own world.
All artists live in their ownworld, seeing like the stories
that they want to like.
They're living like a moviecharacter in their own movie,
right?
So I feel like I'm starring inmy own movie.
And Dutopia is this concept ofa place, like a planet in outer

(35:44):
space, where every being is likedistorted almost.
There's like a deeper...
there's like a deeperconnotation that I'm trying to
bring into like the wholesociety thing like where plants
eat humans or like you know justkind of a different perspective
on predator and prey and how welike see the world generally

(36:05):
because I feel like I struggle alot with self-image sometimes
well in the past but I'm tryingto embrace my individuality and
I just do not care anymore aboutwhat other people think about
me you know I want to justembrace my internal like
everything like i want to dressthis way i want to do my makeup
this way i want to make art thatlooks like this even though

(36:25):
someone else might notappreciate it so that's the
concept of utopia where thisplanet is everything you would
want for expression you can beanything that you want and
nobody would ever judge

Speaker 03 (36:35):
So it's more like something that you came up with
in your mind.
Is this something you wouldwant to bring into like an art
form?

Speaker 00 (36:41):
I do.
I want to make an exhibition.
I'm working on maybe doing asolo exhibition in the coming
years just to bring this conceptto life where I would make
alien plants.
And also, actually, I have onecoming up.
I'm shooting with I'm doinglike this like earth and ocean

(37:02):
connection But in outer spaceand it's gonna be like a six
foot tall tree installation andI'm gonna do an editorial shoot
and with that one That's yeah,

Speaker 03 (37:11):
that's so sick.

Speaker 00 (37:12):
We're also I'm also making two dresses.
It's like wearable art So it'snot it's not like actual fashion
But I'm trying to like justkind of tap into like all my
little hobbies and stuff andbring all my art forms together
Yeah

Speaker 03 (37:25):
That's so sick.
And you've done artinstallations in the past,
right?

Speaker 00 (37:29):
Yes.

Speaker 03 (37:30):
Talk a little bit about what those are and what
inspired those projects.

Speaker 00 (37:35):
Okay, so art installation is like, some of
them is more interactive.
If you go to a show, you cansee maybe something where you
can tie something or you writesomething on it.
It's more like a collaborationproject.
That's also like aninstallation.
But for me, it's more likesculpture installation.
So it's like 3D.
It's very big.
It's huge.
I love big things.
The first one I did was areceipt installation.

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The first one I did was areceipt installation that was
five foot by seven foot.

Speaker 04 (38:04):
so

Speaker 00 (38:05):
five foot tall and seven foot wide and there was
like probably like a hundred toa thousand receipts on there the
meaning behind that is icollected receipts from my
family for like 20 years so mymom's a hoarder she collected
like 20 like 20 years worth ofreceipts parking tickets food,
groceries, CVS.

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And then I also collected somefrom my friends where I feel
like a receipt is like kind oflike a piece of history of our
like existence.
You know what I mean?
Every time that you handlethese things, it's like a kind
of like a glimpse into humannature.
So I decided to put that into apiece of art where it was like
a collaboration between allthese stems of my life.

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For example, when I was livingin China, when I was living in
New York and California and fromfriends.
So it's like that piece of artis like every extension of my
life in 20 years.

Speaker 03 (38:59):
That's

Speaker 00 (38:59):
sick.
Because it's like, I feel likereceipts also tell a story.

Speaker 03 (39:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 00 (39:03):
For example, like maybe you're just moving to
college and you go to Ikea andyou buy all these things.
You buy plants to decorate.
That's documented on that pieceof receipt.
But since we're entering such adigital age, none of that is
going to be here anymore.
We're not going to have thosephysical pieces of paper that...
have that meaning anymore so ifeel like that was like it's

(39:26):
more like a piece of history itcould be potentially a piece of
history that gets preservedthat's it yeah

Speaker 03 (39:31):
do you keep receipts

Speaker 00 (39:33):
um no i do not well you see after that i was a
little bit annoyed i was like noi don't want a receipt please i
have like a whole bag i carrythis giant bag of receipts
everywhere i worked on thisproject so i'm kind of sick of
it for now.
Yeah.

Speaker 02 (39:52):
I'm curious though, where do you find your
inspiration from?
Because that's such a coolidea.
Is it just from daily life?
Is it from other artists?
Is it from novels, whatever?
Different corners of life.
Where do you find yourinspiration?

Speaker 00 (40:03):
So for that piece, it was actually completely
original.
One day, I had my bag.
I was so sick and tired of thereceipts that I had in my bag.
Because I'm the type of personthat I'm just like, okay, cool.
I'm going to shove it in here.
And so I'm like...
wait this is kind of aestheticlike i'm like the type of person
that notices these littlethings in life where i'm like
wait this actually looks reallycool so then i was like you know

(40:24):
what would it be really cool ifi like got a bunch of these and
i put it onto like a paintingor like a piece of wood and i
just like make it into art andthat was like when the spark
came i was like mom give me yourreceipts and then i texted all
my friends hey do you havereceipts can i can i like use
some and they're like well justjust block out my credit card
like last four digits i'm likeokay and I just took it from

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them and then rest is historythat's

Speaker 03 (40:49):
so cool there's a lot of receipts to black out
though yeah

Speaker 00 (40:53):
yeah

Speaker 03 (40:53):
that's super cool i still i don't know what to do
with my receipts i try toorganize them i tried these apps
i don't know i

Speaker 02 (41:00):
used to like just take photos and just keep them
that way and have like a like analbum of receipts yeah as a way
to keep them especially like onproductions

Speaker 00 (41:07):
oh right just to you know

Speaker 02 (41:08):
keep track

Speaker 00 (41:09):
of the book yeah for production i take a picture but
then i just throw it away i'm

Speaker 02 (41:12):
like bro i don't

Speaker 03 (41:13):
want to yeah i throw it away

Speaker 00 (41:15):
too yeah

Speaker 03 (41:15):
unless i'm like i need to return this

Speaker 02 (41:17):
one

Speaker 00 (41:17):
day yeah yeah

Speaker 02 (41:19):
speaking of like different mediums um i know
you're pairing are also artistsso talk a little bit about that
how that influences yourupbringing and your creative
process

Speaker 00 (41:29):
so my dad he is a sculptor um he specializes in
giant sculptures so my dad madethis like really big leica
camera so my god it's a leicabut it's not like a real leica
so he calls it his fake leica soif you watch the documentary
you would kind of know aboutthat that's right it's sitting
in like a multi-million mansionin hollywood

Speaker 04 (41:48):
oh my god right now or

Speaker 00 (41:49):
maybe they would Or maybe they bought it.
I don't know.
But before they brought it tothat mansion, it was in the
Leica store.
It was in like the front centerof the Leica store in like
Rodeo.

Speaker 02 (42:00):
Was it like a Leica partnership or did he just make
it and then Leica caught on toit?

Speaker 00 (42:04):
Oh, no, he just he made it.
And then I think so he had acollection called Real Fake.
And this is to talk about likethe fake collection.
designer stuff in China.
Interesting.
Yeah, so like how, like it'slike Avibas or like Channel, you
know, like all these brands andlike they printed on that.
So he made like an entirecollection called Real Fake.

(42:26):
So Leica was a part of that andit was like, he combined all
the different parts of differentgenerations of Leica camera
onto that one.
So that's why I think, I thinkit got like some publicity and
then Leica was like, oh my God,like this is fire.
Let me get this in our store.
And it's so funny because itwas so big to the point that
they had to remove the frontglass of that building just to

(42:48):
put it in.
So his main medium is stainlesssteel sculptures, like massive
stainless steel sculptures.
And I think that's where mylove for silver came from.
I don't know if you guys cantell.
Yeah, totally.
I'm a little bit obsessed withthe color, like the silver.
So a lot of my stuff, like mypersonal branding, I guess, is

(43:08):
like silver.
And I would never choose goldbecause my entire life, I was
literally surrounded by silver.
or stainless steel sculptures.
And I just thought that waslike, the best looking aesthetic
because I'm like, dude, thatlooks so cool.
So I looked up to him a lot.

Speaker 03 (43:20):
That's great.
I feel like a lot of kidsgrowing up, they would kind of
rebel against what their parentsdid or their style.
And it's really cool seeingthat you're following their path
in a way and also catching onto the stuff they would make.

Speaker 00 (43:33):
Yeah, yeah.
You see, now it's funny how youbring that up because film was
actually my rebellion.

Speaker 04 (43:38):
Okay.

Speaker 00 (43:39):
So they wanted me to do fine art, but I didn't want
to.
So I was like, you know what?
I'm going to apply to USCCinematical Arts instead of Fine
Arts i didn't get in i watchedhis video guys it didn't work
what happened no i watched hisvideo on how to get into usd and
that was like my firstimpression of him and then i saw
him on set i was like wait aminute this person looked real
familiar

Speaker 02 (44:00):
wait was it on the hermit crab yeah that's oh i
think i witnessed that momentyes you guys were decorating the
desk yes yes and the gentlemanwas just

Speaker 00 (44:06):
there and you were like all jokes all

Speaker 02 (44:08):
jokes yeah

Speaker 00 (44:09):
i don't want to go to film school anymore because i
realized that my real passionis in art and my parents were
right so i probably shouldn'thave i just applied for roski
guys

Speaker 03 (44:16):
no they're doing cool stuff are there except they
don't let me film there forsome reason i was like trying to
find an art gallery locationfor my 310 that i was dping and
they're like roski's like no youcan't come here

Speaker 00 (44:26):
yeah you know what's funny i went to the lengths my
lengths to getting into usctransfer i literally contact i
emailed the dean of roski

Speaker 04 (44:35):
oh

Speaker 00 (44:35):
my god and i asked her to meet did you i did and
she's okay that's great shereviewed my portfolio

Speaker 03 (44:43):
that's good what yeah people can just do that

Speaker 00 (44:46):
well i i was just like you know what i'm gonna i'm
like the type of person is likeyou know what fuck it i'm gonna
take my chance if i don'tsomeone else is gonna take it so
i'm gonna take it

Speaker 02 (44:54):
first you know what that's so funny because my mom
told me that exact sentenceyesterday because i'm the type
of person who would like be morereserved and be like ah you
know what

Speaker 00 (45:02):
no

Speaker 02 (45:03):
i think i'll you know but you really do have to
be you know aggressive sometimes

Speaker 00 (45:06):
never you bro like all the chances in the world
will not be yours if you don'ttake that.
If you don't fight for it,someone else is gonna take it.
I love

Speaker 03 (45:15):
what you said there because you know a lot of people
say like, 50% of success isluck, but what people don't say
is that luck is what you make ofit.
If you're optimistic, there'sstudies that show more
optimistic people would findmoney on the ground, whereas if
you're pessimistic, you justwon't find the money on the
ground.
That just shows luck issomething you can control.

(45:37):
I love what you saiddemonstrated that initiative.
That's really cool.

Speaker 00 (45:42):
I was not expecting a response, but I was like, if I
don't do it, I would neverknow.

Speaker 02 (45:48):
Nothing to lose,

Speaker 00 (45:48):
too.
Yeah, nothing to lose.
Worst thing she can say is no.
Yeah, exactly.
She didn't, so.

Speaker 02 (45:54):
Was that helpful?
That's

Speaker 00 (45:55):
great.
It was.
Great.
So I went to, like, a portfolioforum after, like, she told me
to go to the portfolio forum.
It was only for high schoolstudents, but I went there
because I was like, you know, Iwant to go talk to these
professors.
I want to get their input, andit was very successful.

Speaker 03 (46:10):
Great.
Yes.
Well, if somehow you don't getin, I would feel bad for anyone
else trying to apply because...
Your stuff is sick.

Speaker 00 (46:18):
Thank you.
That would be crazy.
Honestly, at that point, I'mgoing to just drop out.

Speaker 03 (46:25):
So talk a little bit about, because you make a lot
of art and you post them onsocial media.
You get them on Instagram reelsof behind the scenes and you
have your video series and youmake skits and a lot of stuff on
TikTok as well.

Speaker 01 (46:39):
I

Speaker 03 (46:40):
would like to hear like what made you like decide
that was the future of your artand like, you want to be posting
like that

Speaker 00 (46:46):
so funny you say that because i used to want to
be a youtuber when i was inseventh grade oh my god so
that's

Speaker 03 (46:52):
awesome

Speaker 00 (46:53):
yeah so i bought a little canon g7x the little
vlogging camera i have it in mybag to this day to take pictures
and vlog it's been years that

Speaker 03 (46:59):
was the iconic

Speaker 00 (47:01):
vlog camera back in the day it was now it's like a
thousand dollars or somethingwow yeah but yeah that's where
my i wanted to always be likenot an influencer, but I just
wanted to put myself out on theinternet because I feel like
that was fun.

Speaker 04 (47:16):
So I feel like social media, like content
creation, is like a hobby forme.

Unknown (47:20):
Like I enjoy it.
I enjoy posting about my life.
I enjoy kind of like...

Speaker 00 (47:24):
debriefing the things that I have done because
I think I don't give myselfenough credit for the things
that I do even though you sayI'm like you think I'm
optimistic right but I'mactually pretty pessimistic
because I'm like oh I don'treally think that was that much
like I'm like oh yeah I did thatbut I don't realize that it's
actually something that's kindof crazy but I just do things

(47:45):
and I don't process them soDoing social media kind of gives
me a chance to look back on thethings that I have done and
appreciate myself and be proudof myself.
Because I don't think, I feellike my dad, he's a very,
because he's a successfulartist, it's like overshadowing.
He's very pressuring.
So he always made me think thatI was never enough.
So I always thought that I wasnever enough.

(48:06):
So doing this is a way to tellme that you're doing good.
Keep going.
It's like a reaffirmation,reassurance for myself.

Speaker 03 (48:15):
Right.

Unknown (48:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 03 (48:16):
That's such a deep way of looking at it.
Most people are just like, Iwant money, you know?
And that's why I want to be aYouTuber.

Speaker 00 (48:22):
Well, I mean, it's very nice receiving PR
sometimes.
I'm like, thanks for the freeskincare.
Yeah.
That's sick.
I just think it's a good way toput yourself out there in
general.
Again, most people don't postbecause they're like, oh, what
is someone else going to sayabout my video?
They're going to think it'scringe, right?
I do not give a fuck.

(48:42):
I do not give a singular whatanybody says they probably will
like people will hate me butthey can I don't care like
because ultimately your life isyours to live and other people
will just be the ones sittingbehind the phone screen not
doing what you're doing yeah so

Speaker 02 (48:58):
yeah you know that's also something that like I
think artists just have toaccept and just move forward
like you're creating art thatpeople are yeah and like people
are gonna judge your art nomatter what no matter how
supposedly great there's alwayscritics and um the idea is to
just yeah keep creating withoutreally regarding too much about
yeah all the negative stuff

Speaker 00 (49:19):
out there so so that's what my recent utopia
series is when i've been likemaking art like just random
pieces embracing differentpersonalities i do not find all
the pieces that i make good buti'm like okay someone will hate
this someone will like itsomeone will think it's cool
someone will not but i don'tcare like i'm just gonna put it
out I'm trying to overcomeperfectionism through this
process right now.

(49:39):
I

Speaker 03 (49:42):
like what you just said about the subjectivity of
art.
Is there some metric to measurehow good an art can be?
Do you think someone who's beenpainting for 50 years...
could essentially be on thesame level, be judged on the
same level as someone who juststarted painting.
Is there a certain metric toshow your growth, even yourself,

(50:04):
to know that you're improvingin your

Speaker 00 (50:06):
work?
Yes.
So an artist once said that ittook them 10 years or 20 years
to learn how to paint, but ittook them over 50 years to learn
how to draw like a child.

Unknown (50:17):
Oh.

Speaker 03 (50:17):
That's such a good quote.
Can it really be someone fromDa Vinci's era?
Because I don't think theylived that long.

Speaker 00 (50:23):
I don't know who it was.
I think

Speaker 03 (50:25):
Picasso

Speaker 02 (50:26):
said something similar.

Speaker 00 (50:26):
I think it might be

Speaker 02 (50:28):
Picasso.
The point of being an artist isto stay a child even though you
grew up.
Because that's the mostcreative part where you aren't
thinking about...
all the external forces that'sdriving you into this one
particular person.
But a child just simply doesthings and explores.

(50:49):
And the key is to bring thatenergy.
Exactly.
As an artist who's an adult whocan...
It's almost like controlledchaos

Speaker 00 (50:57):
in a way.
Yes, exactly.
I love how you mentioned theword chaos.
Because the opening line for myessay was...
I love chaos or like somethinglike that regarding chaos
because I just love it um so foryour question I think that
practice does make perfect likeI I've been painting since I was

(51:19):
like like two my my grandpa putme on his table and gave me a
Chinese calligraphy brush andjust told me to go crazy and I
just started doing abstractstuff since I was like nine
months old but You also do haveto learn the fundamentals of how
like proportions work,obviously.
Because then if you're trying,you need to learn how to draw
well or paint well before youcan go outside the box.

(51:41):
Like I need to know where thenose is and how big it's
supposed to be and like theproportions of the body before I
can distort it.
Yeah.
Before I can ruin it and give anew meaning to it.
So, and there's no such thingas good or bad.
It's pretty or ugly to me.
So everybody, it's like beautyis, Beauty is very subjective
again, like everybody perceivesit differently So obviously one

(52:04):
person is gonna think this thingis ugly and the other person is
think it's pretty or like it'sgood So again, it's very like
subjective.
There's no such thing as likethis is bad, but this is good
personally the ones that areoverly like contoured and like
you like try to make everydetail and you're like trying to
like paint or like draw like apicture

Speaker 04 (52:23):
right

Speaker 00 (52:23):
those are like not their art But if you're talking
about fine art, it's somethingthat's a little bit more broad
than that.
Unless it's Renaissance style.
That's cool.

Speaker 03 (52:34):
I do want to know, when you're making these art,
you're definitely trying to gofor pretty, right?
Yeah.
So then would you say goodequates pretty and the bad
equates ugly?
Not

Speaker 00 (52:51):
exactly.

Speaker 03 (52:52):
What would you say the difference

Speaker 00 (52:53):
is?
Because certain artists, theylike to make art ugly on purpose
but then some people there'ssome there's an artistry to it
but it's it's about like thecolor the composition and the
way the brush strokes so youcould like to draw like to paint
like a child right you have tolike be very like you have to

(53:13):
like just kind of be loose youhave to be relaxed In my
opinion.
So like when you're like makinglike a sketch that's like super
detailed and stuff like it canbe good if you make the
composition good.
But if it's just like if you'rejust drawing like a person
that's kind of boring.
Like, you know what I mean?
That's what I think.
Of course, everybody hasdifferent styles and stuff, but

(53:35):
I just personally think that'ssomething that's more outside
the box.
It's more aestheticallypleasing to me.
So that's just my

Speaker 03 (53:41):
take.
So then how would some artistsbe successful and other artists
not be successful, you think?

Speaker 00 (53:48):
Well...

Speaker 03 (53:50):
Like, for example, what do you think makes your dad
a successful artist, whereassome other people might not be?

Speaker 00 (53:57):
The message behind it?
is number one and second he'sdone something that nobody has
done before

Speaker 04 (54:03):
okay

Speaker 00 (54:04):
that's that's that's the one that's the one thing
that makes the differencebetween a successful artist and
a non-successful artist is thatyou have to innovate something
completely new something thatnobody has ever seen before and
you have to be the first one todo it

Speaker 04 (54:16):
yeah

Speaker 00 (54:17):
and that's what makes you successful so that's
what i'm trying to find rightnow i don't know

Speaker 02 (54:21):
does it relate to being personal because in a way
like filmmaking a lot of peoplesay um that you know the most
personal is the most creative sowould you say that's also a way
to think about it where themore you are exploring yourself
and who you are the better notbetter but the more um it'll
resonate and really have animpact on

Speaker 00 (54:42):
people i 100 agree i have a chaotic life my art is
also chaotic so i i choose tolive life this way to gain
inspiration and to through mylived experiences so that I can
make art, so that I couldeventually stumble upon the
something that will make me bethe first one to do something.

Speaker 03 (55:04):
What do you think your goal of making art is?
Is there an ultimate goal foryou?

Speaker 00 (55:08):
Yeah.
Okay.
I have many dreams.
Many big dreams.
So number one, I want to be aproduction designer, art
director.
I want to work on a K-pop musicvideo.
Those are fire.
Oh my gosh.
The artistry is insane.
It's just so beautiful.
The composition, the colors.
I'm like, please, please,please.
And then other than that, Iwant to be an art director.

(55:30):
Maybe at a company for a littlebit until...
for just to survive.

Speaker 03 (55:36):
What does an art director

Speaker 00 (55:37):
do?
Oh, art director, for example,like Vogue.
Yeah.
Like, for example, like acampaign.
Kind of just like productiondesign.
You direct, like, the visionof, like, how this campaign is
going to be.
Like, for example, what is thatcampaign?
Alex Kansani, the model, shedid this, like, oh, Jack, I
don't know how to say the nameof the brand.
Before a brand, there was likethis, like the campaign, right?

(55:59):
And then there was likecucumbers all over.
Like it's something likeinnovative.
And then people find that likeinteresting.

Speaker 04 (56:05):
So

Speaker 00 (56:06):
it's too like, I guess it's kind of like social
media marketing, but like in abroader sense.
Yeah.
But in the art department ofthat.
Yeah.

Speaker 02 (56:16):
So like photo shoots.
Yeah.
Editorial stuff.
Editorial, right.
Because I do see like onInstagram posts, like it would
say, art directed by

Speaker 00 (56:23):
yeah

Speaker 02 (56:23):
and then so that's more does it go into like even
the clothing they're wearing oris that something that's
different department

Speaker 00 (56:29):
okay um it has

Speaker 02 (56:30):
to be like coherent in some way

Speaker 00 (56:32):
well i feel like either well styling is the
clothing that's styling is rightstyling yeah and then so i feel
like creative direction and artdirector is kind of similar but
creative direction is like thecomplete package of the creative
but art is like just art Iguess.
The way it looks, the visualsof it.
Production designer, artdirector, and I want to

(56:54):
eventually have my own soloshow.
Maybe exhibit somewhere in theworld and then make some really
cool stuff.

Speaker 03 (57:01):
What do you think the message, the common theme
behind all your works is thatyou want your audience to take
away?

Speaker 00 (57:09):
That there is something beyond what you see.

Speaker 03 (57:11):
okay

Speaker 00 (57:12):
that there is something beyond this world
because i think the world is asimulation um and also i mean
there's different meanings toSomething beyond what you see
right that goes into a singleperson.
There's landscapes inside everyperson once you get to know
them There's a whole universeoutside our world Like I just
want people to start thinkingoutside the box and just go

(57:34):
crazy like and live life.
Yeah, however you want and notcare

Speaker 03 (57:39):
No, that's really cool Cuz I recently made a movie
where I interviewed a lot ofpeople on what they think
happens after death and when Iinterviewed Ethan he said well
There's no proof that we'reactually even alive.
We could be in a simulation,which I want to ask you, what do
you think as someone who thinksoutside the box?
Like, what do you think happensafter death?

Speaker 00 (57:59):
What happens after death?
In a way, I feel like our soulstill lives.

Speaker 01 (58:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 00 (58:05):
Like our...
We might not be consciousanymore, but I feel like that
the soul, whatever the memoriesand everything, it's like
floating into space orsomething.
I don't know.
Because you think about allthese crazy supernatural stuff
that's happening.
I believe in all that stuff.
I believe that there'sdefinitely spirits around this

(58:26):
world or something somewhere.
And I feel like that's probablyus when we die in the future.
I don't know.

Speaker 03 (58:34):
Yeah, I feel like...
to be creative and artists,you, you can't just be so rigid
and believe science iseverything behind everything.
You know, you got to know,like, I feel like as a creative,
as an artist, you got to thinkoutside the box, like you said,
like that there is morepossibility staying curious and
open-minded, you know, likebeing even like spiritual in a
way, right.
You don't have to be conformingto a certain religion, but I

(58:55):
think it's important to knowthat, you know, things aren't as
what they seem like.
And I love that's the messageof your work.

Speaker 02 (59:02):
Yes.
It's like about empathy, Ithink, ultimately.
I think a lot of division andfear and all that all comes from
a place of not understandingthe other person and fighting
for the sake of disrespectingthe other person or whatever.
And you definitely see that inthe world of politics and the
world of other parts of theworld.

(59:23):
But yeah, I think part of therole of the artist and the role
of the filmmaker is to justcreate this mirror that we can
almost see someone else from.
You look into it and then yousee yourself, but then there's
this other entity, this otherworld that exists within it.
And I think...
That's the beautiful thingabout making art.
It can really transform lives.

(59:43):
It can really change in ever sosubtle ways and also in
unsubtle ways.

Speaker 00 (59:48):
Yeah.
So that's what I'm trying to inthe future.
Big plans.
Big plans.
Oh,

Speaker 03 (59:52):
yeah.
Another dream big.
Yes.
And how did you feel like,because you're talking about the
future, right?
How do you see your workevolving since you were nine
months old to now?
Because at every stage, the artwe create reflects who we are
at

Speaker 01 (01:00:05):
the time, right?
Yes.

Speaker 03 (01:00:06):
And the stuff you're talking about now is who you
believe and what you believe atthis moment so how did your art
shift and change

Speaker 00 (01:00:14):
okay so in the beginning obviously i was like
literally just taking acalligraphy paintbrush and i'm
just whipping it everywherecarefree did not give a single
you know about what i was doingand but then my parents put me
in these like very rigid theylike started teaching me still
life my least favorite classesever like it's like drawing a

(01:00:34):
freaking bottle i'm like broit's and it's in gray i'm
literally like oh my god i needcolor but they're like no you
haven't do this and then Iappreciate that because now I
know how to draw things like Ican just draw that within like a
few seconds but I hated thatpractice but it had to be done
um junior year of high school Iwas in a phase where I wanted to
express too much in a singlepainting like I wanted the

(01:00:58):
audience to know what I wastrying to express but that
doesn't always work so I waslike I don't know I it just
wasn't as good as my art nowbecause I'm more free I'm more
like, oh, I don't really carewhat this looks like.
I'm just going to be likemyself and just be relaxed.
And then the art is anextension of me versus me trying

(01:01:20):
to reflect myself onto a pieceof art.
That's the difference.
It's like junior year wasbefore I realized that I needed
to be free.
to not care too much about theperfect brush stroke or the
perfect color to put in a singlespot.
I'm more just like, I don'tcare.
I'm going to do whatever.
And then this is how I'mfeeling right now.
Sadness, anger, revenge,regret, whatever.

(01:01:45):
That's what I'm trying toreflect into my art pieces now.

Speaker 03 (01:01:49):
No, that's really sick.
Like I can totally, I'm like soexcited to see the stuff you
do.

Speaker 00 (01:01:55):
Me too.
I hope.
Oh my God.
I'm excited too.

Speaker 03 (01:01:58):
But you know, outside of art, you know, you'd
be doing these side quests, likegoing on Jubilee.

Speaker 00 (01:02:03):
Oh

Speaker 04 (01:02:05):
yeah.

Speaker 03 (01:02:06):
How did you, I was just watching in this episode.
Cause I, For the guys who don'tknow what Jubilee is, it's like
this YouTube channel that doesthese really cool social
commentary stuff.
And they do a lot of fun thingsrevolving topics with humans
and stuff.
And two videos I watched, youwere in it, just randomly...
And it freaked me out because Iwas like, there's no way

(01:02:27):
someone I know is on here.
So how did you get on a Jubileeepisode?
And like, what was thatexperience

Speaker 00 (01:02:35):
like?
Okay, well, first of all, youguys can apply for Jubilee too.
Like they have open casting ontheir website.
So what happened was, oh, oneof my friends who is a model, I
saw him on an episode.
I was like, oh my God, what areyou doing on Jubilee?
He was like, oh yeah, you canapply.
So I was like, oh.
why not i told my ex about itand then we were like we're very

(01:02:55):
madly in love at that time sowe're like you know let's go on
the show together and let's hopethat it aged well Well, we're
not together anymore, but weapplied for this video because a
lot of people said that we looklike siblings, like we look
alike and stuff.
I remember that video, yeah.
So we applied for this videothat was like siblings are
dating, but we didn't get castedinto that one because it was

(01:03:16):
supposed to be mostly siblingsacting like they're dating.
So we're not siblings,obviously, so we didn't get
casted.
But regardless, they had ourinterview video and they had our
contact and everything.
so for the next video wasranking couples by compatibility
and so they literally just likecold called us they send me and
my ex like um a textindividually and we're like oh

(01:03:37):
my god wait we just got cast inthis video okay let's do it like
and then we went on that one itwas fun and then i met with the
director she was super chilland um i think her name is
nicole Yes, I don't remember.
Yes.
She's super nice.
And there's a lot of USCstudents working on Step
Jubilee.
Yeah, I know a couple.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(01:03:57):
So, like, I was talking to herabout, like, oh, maybe if you
need production design, let me,hit me up.
So, but the next time she hit,like, the crew hit us up for,
like, the sibling or datingvideo.
So that was the second one.
We were just like, okay, whynot?
Let's do it.
We've been wanting to do thisfor a while, right?
Siblings or dating.
So we ended up being on thatvideo.
It was super fun.
Very chill.

Speaker 03 (01:04:15):
Yeah.
Sick.
Yeah.
I'm going to throw my name inthere.
Yeah, do it.
Why not?
I'm telling

Speaker 00 (01:04:21):
you, bro.
I'm saying you lose the chancesyou don't take.

Speaker 02 (01:04:25):
Yeah, you're right.
You're right.
What's that saying?
You miss 100% of the shots youdon't take?
Yes.
Is that the right one?
Yes.
Definitely.

Speaker 00 (01:04:32):
Oh, and side quests.
Yeah, I have a lot of sidequests.
Modeling, it was just becausemy friend, she was just like...
Um, they needed a model forthis jewelry brand and I thought
it was a cool jewelry brand andI just so happened to know the
male model.
So I was like, Oh my God, what?
This is a crazy.
And that was the first time Isaw him in real life, but it was
cool.
Um, that was fun.
And then after that, my friendsjust hit me up whenever they

(01:04:56):
need like a model or something.
I'm actually going on a shooton the eighth for my friend's
brand.
It's called a mode.
a mode.
It's a denim brand.
She's super talented.
Yeah.
That's

Speaker 03 (01:05:08):
sick.
Back to our, actually, I wasgoing to ask you earlier, you've
been doing art since you wereborn.

Speaker 01 (01:05:13):
There's

Speaker 03 (01:05:14):
phases in our lives where we kind of question what
we do and what we are and likestuff like that, especially as
we grow up, like, you know, outof high school and stuff.
Has there been any points inyour life where you're a
question, like whether art isyour future?
And like, what was that thing?
Like, what was going on in yourhead when you had those
moments?

Speaker 00 (01:05:35):
It was the rebellion.
I didn't want to do what myparents did.

Speaker 03 (01:05:38):
Okay.

Speaker 00 (01:05:39):
I was like, because I have a...
Growing up, I had a difficultrelationship with my dad because
he's very like dominant of aperson and gave me a lot of
trauma because of how demandinghe is.
Like he always thinks that I'mnot doing enough.
So I was like, dude, I do notwant to be in this field because
he's just going to keep tellingme what to do.

(01:05:59):
So I was like, you know what?
Let me try something else.
I joined a film class.

Unknown (01:06:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 00 (01:06:04):
And then again, rest is history.
So I really wanted to do film,like directing for a bit.
But then I realized that itwasn't really for me after I
literally worked on so many,worked on a few films during
high school.
But then I discovered the lovefor production design when I
joined PNN, which is the schoolbroadcast program.

(01:06:26):
And I wanted to give our showlike a new anchor desk set.
So I started that.
I was like, wait, this is sofun.
I really liked it.
So I was like, you know, let mejust keep doing it.
So I guess that was when filmstarted was when I realized I
didn't really want to do artanymore.
But film is

Speaker 03 (01:06:46):
art.

Speaker 00 (01:06:47):
Yeah.
No, I just think it's so etchedinto me because I've been doing
it for my entire life.
There's nothing I know better.
So I think that that's justwhere I need to be.

Speaker 03 (01:06:58):
But you never were like, I want to do accounting or
like math.

Speaker 00 (01:07:02):
Oh, yeah.
No, I suck at my guys blowWait, just the thought of that
like just literally I just don'tthink I've ever thought of it
like anything else

Speaker 03 (01:07:13):
No office job you think

Speaker 00 (01:07:16):
I Think I would die Because I love being free
freedom is the number one thingthat I value the most

Speaker 02 (01:07:22):
Okay,

Speaker 00 (01:07:22):
so

Speaker 02 (01:07:23):
no.
Yeah, that's great.
You have two thoughtexperiments for you one is if
you can teleport to anywherewithin a second and What would
be the first place you would goanywhere in the world?

Speaker 00 (01:07:34):
I want to go to Jutopia.

Speaker 03 (01:07:35):
Okay.
What's the first spot inJutopia you would want to go to?

Speaker 00 (01:07:41):
Jutopia is not in this world.
It's in a different dimension.
I don't want to be on thisplanet.

Speaker 03 (01:07:46):
Would you hit up like the spot in Jutopia?

Speaker 00 (01:07:49):
Probably like the waterfall.
The waterfall, there's like...
very colorful plants everywhereand there's like little eels
kind of entity swimming aroundthere the water is like very
crispy blue yeah yeah

Speaker 02 (01:08:03):
are you a fan of james cameron's avatar

Speaker 00 (01:08:06):
yes

Speaker 02 (01:08:07):
would you say that's somewhat of a description or is
it

Speaker 00 (01:08:10):
something similar but a little bit more a little
bit more artistic more colorfulbut definitely something
something like that i'm bro ithink avatar oh my god that is

Speaker 02 (01:08:21):
are you excited for the third one yes yeah It's the
fire people.
Yeah, the

Speaker 00 (01:08:25):
fire tribe or something.
I'm so excited, bro.
Oh, my God.
I literally love, like, the CGIof that film so much.
I just think it's so cool.

Speaker 03 (01:08:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 00 (01:08:33):
Pandora.

Speaker 03 (01:08:34):
Oh, you know what?
You know, he said in theopening of the film, he said
it's not made by AI.
Oh, that's right.
I read about it.
Yeah.
And I want to hear yourthoughts on AI.

Speaker 00 (01:08:43):
Oh.
Okay, so...
I actually do use AI sometimesto generate me ideas for art.
Like I'm like, hey, I want thisentity creature.
Can you give me like somethinglike that?
So I use Midjourney and Discordsometimes to generate me ideas
when I'm stuck.
And honestly, it helps so muchwith creative block.
Like I see this image, but thenI also have my own ideas.

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So I just kind of combine ittogether.
But I always just do it myself.
But the ideas can come from AI.
I actually really want to getinto Sora, which is like an
engine.
I think it's called Sora.

Speaker 02 (01:09:14):
Yeah, the video.

Speaker 00 (01:09:15):
Yes, I want to get into the video AI engine just to
create some cool stuff.
I'm really open.
No, I'm honestly...
Google has one too.
Really?

Speaker 02 (01:09:23):
Google Veo.
Apparently

Speaker 00 (01:09:24):
it's better.
What about DeepSeek?

Speaker 02 (01:09:27):
Does DeepSeek have one?
I'm not sure.
I know there's some Chineseones.
There's the Google Veo.
There's Zora.
I think

Speaker 00 (01:09:34):
those are the leading ones right now.
Dude, I honestly...
Okay, I know this might sound alittle controversial, but I'm
actually a big fan of AI artbecause it looks so...
new like when when it's likedistorting and like moving and
stuff like that i just thinkit's so much more like than you
can do with cgi low-key

Speaker 02 (01:09:52):
yeah because it just goes wild yeah um and yeah

Speaker 00 (01:09:55):
i really like it actually i've

Speaker 02 (01:09:56):
seen some clips on instagram reels randomly
recommended to me that are likereally scary in like a really
artistic

Speaker 03 (01:10:03):
way

Speaker 02 (01:10:03):
i really like it actually

Speaker 03 (01:10:05):
i mean what do you have to say to the people who
think that will take their jobsin the future

Speaker 00 (01:10:10):
um i don't think it will because you still need an
executor you still need someoneto give the ai a command like
the ai just they don't know whatthey don't have taste like they
don't have like you still needsomeone who has an artistic
background to feed the ai ideaslike hey i hate that color that
is not good um like be like ohuse use purple instead of pink

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for this area or something likethat.
You still need someone with thevision.

Speaker 02 (01:10:38):
I read this article by Ted Chiang, who's the writer
of the movie Arrival.
He wrote the story for it.
He had an article that saidbasically, yes, artists use AI
as a tool, but ultimately it'sabout making choices.
I think that's exactly what youtouched on, where yes, AI can
generate you hundreds, thousandsof images, but ultimately it's

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about making choices.
what you end up doing with it.
And in some ways, yeah, likethe people who are in support of
AI and art are using as a toolto help them make the choices
that they want to makeultimately.

Speaker 00 (01:11:12):
Yeah.
So I don't think it's going toreplace.
If anything, it'll just helpus.
It's like more like a tool tolike help us with creativity.

Speaker 03 (01:11:19):
I love that.
Because I would totally thinkyou'd be someone super against
it, but that's great.

Speaker 00 (01:11:26):
Like I said, I'm open to anything.
I'm very open-minded.
I used to be judgmental, butI'm at a phase where I'm open to
seeing all sides of things.
You say, oh, I'm in apolyamorous relationship.
Okay, cool.
Good for you.

Speaker 02 (01:11:44):
So it's more about like...

Speaker 00 (01:11:45):
you know i i'm just super open-minded like i'm open
to learning anything i just wantto absorb all the information
you know

Speaker 03 (01:11:54):
that's fair enough yeah yeah why why judge yeah um
and you know it's speaking ofthat like i found out the other
day that one of the people whois like the founder of like this
company I'm interning at he'slike one of the best
screenwriters in Hollywood and Iheard that he's he uses a chat
GP a lot of times to assist himwith yeah screenwriting and I
was like yeah if the top peoplein Hollywood is using it and

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that's like why are the onesthat aren't at the top not using

Speaker 00 (01:12:20):
it exactly you know exactly like you're gonna be
like oh I don't want to use thatbecause it's not authentic
someone else is gonna use itthey're gonna be better than you
bro like just use it like

Speaker 03 (01:12:30):
don't not to like replace your own hits

Speaker 02 (01:12:32):
to make it better and spark ideas.

Speaker 00 (01:12:34):
Exactly.

Speaker 02 (01:12:34):
Yeah.
I've heard that like AI is notgoing to replace anyone.
It's, it's people who know howto utilize AI to better the work
that they do.
Yeah.
And I think, I think that'strue in every field in tech, in
art, in filmmaking.
Like if you can use that aslike a, Assistant as I know, you
know, whatever like that'llenhance you so much better.

Speaker 00 (01:12:54):
Yeah, I completely agree So I'm not against AI at
all.
Cool.

Speaker 02 (01:12:58):
My second thought experiment is if you had the
attention of Everyone in theworld for one minute Will be one
piece of art you would show orsomething you would say

Speaker 00 (01:13:08):
if it was to be a piece of art I think in the
future it would be like thisGiant sphere a giant sphere,
almost like a planet, like ageotopia, right?
And then there's all thesedifferent elements of things
growing off of it to kind ofgive them what an

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extraterrestrial being couldlook like, or like an
extraterrestrial world, likePandora or something like that.
If I had to say anything,though, honestly, just to be
free.
To live free...
And enjoy life because you onlylive once.

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Not to be scared of anythingthat you want to do.
And just do whatever the f***you want.
And don't be afraid of judgmentbecause your life is yours to
live.

Speaker 03 (01:14:02):
We do a thing on our podcast where the previous
guest would leave a question forthe current guest.
And the previous guest wrote aquestion.
How do you find balance in yourlife?

Speaker 00 (01:14:14):
You talk about a great question.
um balance i am i literallyjust made a real like i just
posted it while i was before idrove that work like what's it
called work hard play hard is mymiddle name okay work hard play
hard is my middle name i i'm agirl i like to party i like to
go out so today i'm going to aparty But right now, I'm in the

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podcast.
And then afterwards, I'm goingto go to the build set.
And then after that, I'm goingto go to the party.
So I work during the day, getmy work done, and then I go have
fun at night.

Speaker 03 (01:14:48):
And how do you find time to take care of yourself?

Speaker 00 (01:14:52):
Oh, I mean, I'm just happy.

Speaker 03 (01:14:55):
Okay.

Speaker 00 (01:14:56):
I'm happy when I am living free.
doing whatever I want so andthen sometimes I'll take like a
rest day for like a day and I'lljust like take a shower watch
some movies and then likejournal a little bit and then
art is my therapy so that's howI take care of myself

Speaker 02 (01:15:11):
if you were on a deserted island what would be
one piece of item you wouldbring and one that's not
necessarily art and what is apiece of art that you would
bring it could be anything itcould be a DVD for a film it
could be a little sculpturething it could be a whatever so

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object and art

Speaker 00 (01:15:34):
i would bring a camera so i could document my
life before i die and that wouldbe an art piece in itself

Speaker 02 (01:15:42):
yeah oh that is giving chills that's so good
yeah yeah

Speaker 03 (01:15:46):
that's good we're all doing that every day aren't

Speaker 02 (01:15:47):
we yeah

Speaker 00 (01:15:49):
yeah so that would be my answer

Speaker 03 (01:15:52):
So that's two things in one.
Wow.
That's beautiful.
Thank you so much for coming onour podcast.

Speaker 00 (01:16:00):
Of course.
I had a great time talking toyou guys.

Speaker 03 (01:16:02):
Likewise.