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August 7, 2025 24 mins

Take a trip back with the Gnomes as we crack open the Gnome Vault to revisit some unforgettable first looks. In this throwback episode, we dive into The Empire Strips Back — the cheeky Star Wars burlesque parody that’s taken fans by surprise. Then we switch gears to explore nasal breathing devices, including the Breathe-Easy, and how they stack up against traditional CPAP machines for sleep apnea and snoring relief.

Whether you're a sci-fi fan, a sleep tech nerd, or just curious — this episode has something for you.

🔍 Topics Covered:

  • he Empire Strips Back parody stage show
  • What is the Breathe-Easy nasal breathing device?
  • CPAP vs nasal devices: pros, cons, and comfort
  • Natural breathing trends and sleep health

A journey through bizarre internet finds, nostalgic gaming habits, and middle-aged health concerns reveals the authentic friendship between two hosts willing to discuss everything from Star Wars burlesque to sleep apnea solutions.

• Discovery of "The Empire Strips Back," a Star Wars-themed burlesque show featuring "sexy stormtroopers" and "Wookiee erotica"
• Debate about whether adults should continue playing video games after selling old collections and buying new PS5s
• Reminiscing about university days and Mario Kart Double Dash competitions
• The mysterious multiplication of cables in every household despite attempts to declutter
• Testing "Mute" nasal breathing devices and other snoring remedies with limited success
• Discussion of sleep apnea diagnosis, CPAP machines, and the importance of seeking medical help for severe snoring

If you're experiencing heavy snoring and waking up with headaches, please consult your GP about potential sleep apnea rather than relying solely on over-the-counter solutions.


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Speaker 2 (00:18):
is this one of the?
Is this one of the links youusually send me, williams that
give me a warning when I clickthem.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
It might be similar, yeah, so this so this came up in
my recommended searches on myfacebook.
So if you think about the sortof stuff that Facebook
recommends to you based on whatyou click on and things.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
I'm assuming this is going to be some kind of horny
pasty lovers website orsomething.
Women of a certain body shape.
It came up on the old Facebook.
Should I send it to WhatsApp?

Speaker 3 (01:03):
You haven't sent it to me yet no, so this, this
product, I'll let you wowza,wowza.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Okay, that that is something else.
Wow, that is yes.
For those, for people listening, wondering what I'm looking at,
it is a website called theempire strips back dot com.
So los Los Angeles performancesfrom November the 17th.
So let's click the About page.
So, after a sold-out,critically acclaimed US tour,

(01:33):
the Empire Strips Back announceseight weeks in San Francisco.
If you missed our sold-outWarfield Theatre show, be
prepared for some seriously sexystormtroopers a dangerously
seductive Boba Fett, sometantalizing Twi'leinex and a
delightfully lukewarm tauntaun,a lady like skywalker the droids
you are looking for and much,much more wowza.

(01:54):
So I'm looking at some of thepictures here and there's a, a
naked green woman with what canonly be described as stockings
filled with sausage meatsticking out of a head.
There's a, there's a reallywookie erotica, and so they they

(02:25):
also sell a thing called wookieerotica.
So on the, on episode one,there is a wookie covering a
woman woman's private parts.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
See, there's a market for wookie erotica, so why
isn't there a market for knownpodcasts?

Speaker 2 (02:39):
so yeah, well, there clearly is.
If we're getting listened to iniran walliams, then you know
who.
Who knows what people like tolisten to Exactly.
But no, the style the Empirestrips back it looks.
I will spend some more timelooking at it.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
I think it looks quite classy.
Actually it's not.
You know, it's not.
I don't know how to describe it, but it's not awesome.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Walliams, it's not classy.
What kind of world you'reliving on, classy?
How's a big jab of the hood andand some people dressed in
weird costumes, while women aregarroting around naked.
Classy, in what world is?
I mean?
You should see the stormtrooperoutfits.
They've got plastic nipples.

(03:21):
They've got weird beltscovering the crotch area.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
It's have you?
Have you seen c3po with itsshiny bottom?

Speaker 2 (03:27):
yeah, c3po is a woman in this one with.
So it's got metal, she's gotmetal boobs and yes, it's I was.
I am glad wookiee erotica I am.
I am glad that you've sharedthis.
I'm happy to have had my firstlook.
I feel it may be my last lookas well.
It's.
It's doing nothing for me interms of getting me going,

(03:49):
should I say?
it's not meant to get you going,it's just of course it is but I
just I've, I've never what I'venever looked at you back and
just thought, to be honest, Imean in, maybe in the 80s, in
the 70s there was, there wasmore call for lots and lots of
hair, but these days maybe notso much.
The uh.

(04:09):
Yeah, it's an interesting one,but it just, it just got to show
the kind of kind of manualwalliams you pervert and your
facebook suggesting this to youbut so there goes.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Vip omission includes entry, a t-shirt and two
glasses of champagne okay sovery nice entry to we should say
entry to the show.
I mean that should be included.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yes, there is no bounds and you have to get, you
have to, you have to.
We want to share with you alittle bit of our personality.
Now for those who don't know,my good friend here, dan

(04:54):
williams, and myself used toplay an awful lot of mario kart
when we were students and wedouble dash.
I believe Walliams is thereigning champion.
Walliams never was able to bethe reigning champion because
every time we got close I wouldturn the console off, kick it

(05:16):
with a bit of rage I'm notplaying this anymore, yeah, yes,
and storm off, yeah, throw abottle of.
As you've got older.

(05:47):
So this, this is a conversation.
What is?
Are we still?
Are we too old now to playvideo games?
Because we, we recently, sorecently, I shared, shared with
my, with my good friend, dan,and my other friends, that I was
get, I was selling my videogames collection.
So I have collect over theyears.
I collected many, many, manysystems, gamecube being one of

(06:07):
them, and it was time, becauseof you know, getting older now
and having a young child whowants some stuff, we said we
haven't really got anywhere tostore them.
So I sold all my old games, um,and in place we, my son had his
birthday, he got a nintendoswitch, and when was our first
look, today's, a playstation 5?
Yeah, I bought myself aplaystation 5 to replace all the

(06:30):
old ones I stopped atplaystation 2.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
That was my last console yeah, there's not.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
There's not many adults I know still purchase
video games.
I have the excuse it's forbrain and it's for my son.
You know it's it's not really,but yes, we, we, we got rid of
all of our old stuff andpurchased, took brain to go and
get a ps5, which was veryexciting, yeah, and it now sits

(06:57):
under the tv gathering dustbecause there's no time to play
it, because we're a full-timejob, tico's at school and we
have other responsibilities ofadult life.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
But it's there when you want it.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I have had a little bit of a play with it, and it's
the PlayStation 5, and it's yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
So what are the top games for PlayStation 5 at the
moment?

Speaker 2 (07:18):
See, the games that I would want to buy are the top
games for PlayStation 5 at themoment.
See, the games that I wouldwant to buy are the same games I
would have bought many yearsago.
Fifa, yeah.
Mario Kart, which you can't geton a PlayStation, no.
But the new FIFA has come out.
But I didn't realise, walliams,how expensive the bloody games
are, so I thought, oh yes, howmuch they're now.
Yeah, but they were reallyexpensive back in the day though

(07:39):
.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
So the new FIFA is £69.99, which I thought was a
lot of money, which is a lot,but I do remember back along, as
we say down here, back along,back along.
I remember some, especially thebig games, were like towards 50
quid.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah.
So when you think 20 years plushow much years, I don't buy
that, williams.
I don't buy that at all becauseback in the day you could buy a
pack of haribo for a pound anda pack of haribo still a pound.
So if haribo could be the sameprice why can't playstation?
They're just profiteering.
Well, it's like these oldcompanies profiteering off old
farts like me.
You still want to play fifaevery so often and do you still

(08:22):
get fifa?

Speaker 3 (08:25):
I'm sure my age now, but do you get fifa?
The cd.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
You do, you can, you can get a cd or you can get a
digital version.
So the, the console I boughtwas the, the cd version, because
I'm I'm a bit like an old manwho it's like no, what if
something happens?

Speaker 3 (08:42):
I want a physical copy.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
I want a physical copy because, you know, even
though I've just sold all of myvideo games to MakeSpace, I
still need a physical copy ofthe new games, which is
ridiculous, but it's verydifferent these days, william.
So, instead of buying the games, you can pay for a subscription
which gives you access to agame library.
So I didn't actually, when webought the console, I didn't

(09:08):
actually purchase any games.
You pay this 12.99 a month orwhatever it is, and you have
access to the library of games.
So we've played a few, we'vedownloaded a few, but a lot of
the games we downloaded it forbrain.
So we we downloaded one powerrangers beat em up game, which
is really good and brain's quitegood lit, and was it like a
tech and type thing like techand but you're the power rangers
.
So yeah, nice, you know I amstarting to to question whether
it was a good thing to go andbuy.

(09:30):
Could I got something cheaper?
Well, could you know, couldhave, you know, paid something
off the mortgage or, you know,put it towards christmas you
know it's you know they say thatthing, that they the.
The definition of insanity isdoing the same thing over and
over and expecting a differentresult.
So I'm not quite sure when I'mgoing to stop making stupid

(09:51):
purchasing decisions.
Oh never we never do.
You know?
Do you know what thePlayStation has mainly been used
for so far?

Speaker 1 (10:01):
DVD watching yeah, to play the Sonic 2.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
DVD.
So the child is absolutely.
It's just an expensive DVDplayer.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Sting 2 is a good film.
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Yeah, because we did anabsolutely mickey mouse degree,
you know, let's be honest aboutit.
Well it was, we had to go inonce a week and just change some
colors.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
But without our multimedia degree we would never
have launched this podcast well, let's be, I have, I can hold
my hat.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Welcome to first look .
Gnomes, episode two, part two.
We got really interrupted bysomebody treading on the
broadband wire and us gettingdisconnected.
We were in the in the middle ofa discussing our multimedia
degree, a highly intellectualconversation about our ability

(11:07):
to deal with multimedia degrees.
Just for those listening, Iused to be nicknamed scott boy
at university due to the amountof due to the amount of leads
that I had, and to be to be doneover by technology is actually
quite ironic.
But uh, there we go we had a.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Well, I've got a box of cables.
You definitely had a box ofcables I.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
I got rid of all my cables, if you remember, just
saying I'm throwing them allaway.
But would you believe I nowactually have two big new box of
cables and I don't actuallyknow where they've all come from
.
I have no idea what half thecables are.
I have no idea where they comefrom.
Yeah, I and I don't actuallyknow where they've all come from
.
I have no idea what half thecables are.
I have no idea where they comefrom.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah, I tend to I don't know if it's maybe it's
people of our age, greg, but youneed a cable.
You go to the box of cables.
There's not the cable that youwant in there, you buy a new
cable.
It doesn't work, you add it tothe cable.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
That's it.
You just the amazon cables and,yeah, the the random, the
random iphone chargers, and therandom it's the short cables.
It's like headphones that comewith, like these short charging
cables.
Like why is there a chargingcable that's, you know, six
inches long?
What am I going to do with that?
When it's six inches of aneight, six inches is plenty.
What am I going to do with that?

(12:21):
When is six inches ever needSix inches is plenty, greg,
that's plenty Get the job done,doesn't it, Walliams?
It?

Speaker 3 (12:28):
gets the job done.
Anyways, this is a familypodcast, Greg.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
I was talking about cables.
I don't know where your smuttymind went to Empire bloody
Empire strips back.
Oh, here, smutty boy went toEmpire bloody Empire strips back
.
Oh, r, here you go, I'm goingto send you this.
This is going to have a firstlook at them.
Blue, them, blue titties.
Oh, let's have a look at someblue titties.
Oh, I love my some blue titties.
Me, oh, green titties, love me,some green titties.
Oh, look at those hairyChewbacca titties.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Mmm, let me pull your hair to you, michael, for the
listeners as well.
Craig is half-naked at themoment, are you okay?

Speaker 2 (13:12):
you'll have to um.
Anyways, you'll have to beepthat one.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yes, I'll um but uh, this arrived in the post.
I don't know if you can seethat there.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Craig mute breathe more, snore less, sleep better
so I purchased these last week.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah so yeah, breathe more, snore less, sleep better.
It's a trial pack.
Okay, so you've got small,medium or large.
Yeah, find your ideal fit, soyou've got to try all three
sizes.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Give the listeners some context.
Wadims, is this due to yoursnoring, or have you brought
this for Georgia because shesnores like a trooper?

Speaker 3 (13:55):
No, this is for me.
My snoring has escalated,especially since covid, so I do
suffer from sinus problemsanyway, especially after a beer
or two.
So apologies in advance,georgia, or not in advance,
because I'm listening to thispodcast.
I do apologize for the eveningof the 7th of october.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
You snore like a.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Wookiee yes, I snore like a Wookiee, but yeah, so I
received these this week.
And what is the verdict so far.
Not great actually.
So I tried the small size,craig, but they didn't fit.
Well, they did fit, but theydidn't really do the job on my
nostrils.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Can you explain how these work, what the concept is?
Do you shove them?

Speaker 3 (14:36):
up there.
These ones are plastic jobbies.
You basically shove up yournose and it's got a little
attachments on it so you canactually adjust the size of the
actual hoops.
So you're going to adjust thesize of the hoops for your
nostril.
Small didn't quite work, so thesmall doesn't go up and deep
enough okay, whereas the, themedium size, the medium size you

(15:02):
can stick in, it, doespenetrate a little further
through the through the nostrils.
But I need to, I need to expandthe actual hoops themselves a
little bit more.
It does.
The large is too big.
The large is too big.

(15:25):
But yeah, I mean the mediumsize did help, but because,
because, but, because you needto reach a bit further back.

(15:48):
It's because it's more, becauseit's more of a sinus issue so it
didn't seem to help as much, soI've gone back to, so I've gone
back to, so I've gone back to.
I use right, I use strips aswell, not empire strips back,
but strips.
They seem to work, um, but yeah, I stopped using the With the

(16:17):
plastic nostril things.
So what's the technical name?
Mute?
What are they called?
It's a nasal breathing devicedesigned to increase airflow
through your nose during sleepby gently opening airways.
Now, craig, there's nothinggentle about these things.

(16:38):
So you whack them up there andit stretches you open.
Oh yes, you don't want to gotoo big, too quick to be honest,
Gently does it.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
You have to ease it in.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Williams.
Yeah, so in the next couple ofdays after using it, I had some
sort of little cuts on thebottom of my nose, so I think I
was too forceful with it.
Okay, but I need to try itagain.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
But we are men of a certain age.
Walliams, Snoring is a verycommon issue.
I'm sure right now we couldinsert some stats about the
amount of men and women thatsnore and the amount of partners
that want to kill their otherpartners because of the snoring
and I know you've always had thesame problem.
Insert stats here.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
An estimated 45% of adults snore occasionally, while
25% snore regularly, oftendisturbing their bed partners
slumber and possibly their owntoo.
You're more likely to snore ifyou're overweight or a
middle-aged or older man.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
So, being a man who has also had the Breathe Right
nasal strips, I remember when Iwent.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Did you have some people with this or did you have
the strips?

Speaker 2 (17:55):
So I remember a a long, long time ago.
I can still remember when I gotI bought it was like a clip.
So I remember I was going to, Iwas going to vancouver and I,
the first night I was there, Iwas staying in a hostel and I
remember, like flying to vanVancouver, moving to Vancouver,
it didn't bother me at all, butthe idea of the shame of knowing

(18:18):
that I used to, you know, snoreso badly.
The shame, the shame I was.
I was like, oh, flip me, I'mgoing to go into this room with
six other blokes and I'm goingto snore like a trooper.
So I bought this like it waslike a clip, and it was like an
L-shaped clip and you used tohave to kind of push it up and
through into your sinuses andthen push it right to the top of

(18:38):
your nose and again it would dothe same thing that's too deep.
Well, it was too deep.
And I remember putting it inthere and like, okay, I've got
this metal clip up my nose, butI did feel like I could breathe
better.
Yeah, and I remember themorning I woke up I said to
everybody oh, sorry, was Isnoring?
And they were like yep, I waslike, oh, was it bad?
And like, yeah, I was like,okay, sorry about that everybody

(19:00):
.
So it didn't work.
But I remember that the nasalstrips, the breathing strips,
they do help you breathe butthey don't necessarily help you
stop snoring, because a lot ofthe time with snoring it's not
about being able to breathe.
So it's a bit of a con walliamhot in you because, because
snoring is caused by the, theskin in the back of your throat
relaxing that's why I'm closingit as well.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Do you know what it is when you're subconscious and
you know you're snoring and youcan kind of feel it, but you're
in sleep?
Yes, that makes sense that's it.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
So being able to breathe is is a different issue
from the snoring.
So it's like actually snoringgenerally is classed by your
larynx.
I think someone one of thepeople in the comments can tell
me this, because I'm not goingto google it right now, but I
think it's something in yourlarynx or something relaxing and
there's a bit of skin that kindof closes over, which is not
your transverse.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
No, it's not your transverse no, it's, it's a bit.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
It's a bit of skin that when you're breathing it
kind of flaps and vibrates,which causes the noise.
I should know more about thisbecause, for our lovely
listeners to know, I do have aconditional sleep apnea.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
Maybe something in the back of your mouth goes
floppy.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
It does indeed.
So the only thing I have foundthat you're snoring is either
getting buff or being not buffCPAP.
So the continuous positiveairway pressure machine that
you've probably seen.
People, like one of our goodfriends, calls it a bane mask.
You shove it on your face andit helps you breathe.

(20:26):
But I remember being arecovered snorer, the sleep
apnea machine that I have.
You're a recovered snorer.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Is that what you class yourself as?

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Oh, no, no, If I didn't have a sleep apnea
machine then, no, I would snorelike an absolute beast.
But the machine.
I remember the first night whenI had it and it's deadly silent
.
So I remember Lesley-Anne wasat her absolute wit's end with
my snoring.
I'm sure georgie feels the sameand, yes, I remember the.

(21:02):
The first night I put thismachine.
I was like, oh, this, thisfeels funny, but slept like an
absolute baby.
I woke up in the morning andnot only had I slept better, but
leslie ann had slept better aswell, and she has been a yeah,
an advocate of the years.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
There's some mornings I wake up with such a banging
headache and you can.
I definitely snored loads lastnight because I would so.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Sleep apnea is quite bad.
It's what killed.
Speaking of, you know, theempire strips back.
It's what.
It's the that was put as thereason of princess leia.
What was her name?
carrie fisher's carrie fisher'sdeath really yeah, because you
can't breathe.
So when I, when I got diagnosedwith sleep apnea, they do a

(21:44):
test on you.
So you go to sleep and they doa test called a apnea index.
They give you an apnea indexscore and it's basically how
often do you stop breathing inthe hour?
Yeah, and it's anything uh likezero to five is normal, five to
fifteen is milder than 15 to 30is severe.
So they measure this and theygive you a score and then they

(22:06):
will decide whether they needtreatment.
But most people who snore havesome kind of level of sleep
apnea.
Yeah, and yeah, I don't knowhow severe yours is.
But for any listeners out therewho are snoring heavily and
waking up with headaches, go andget your apnea checked.
They'll probably the doctorwill tell you, yes, you've
probably got it and yes, whatyou need to do is lose some

(22:26):
weight.
But we all know that's not aseasy as just yes, okay, I can
lose weight dead quickly,especially getting older, while
I'm getting older.
But yeah, get it checked out.
You don't want to be having toshove stuff up your nose if it's
not going to actually help you.
You feel like it's helping youbreathe and it probably is.
It's helping your sinus,probably not helping you snore.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
No, she can get that spray stuff in it as well.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
But you can, but again, it doesn't stop.
It doesn't stop your throatrelaxing and all the muscles
around your neck relaxing andthe actual air, the your airway,
becoming blocked.
So because that's nothing to dowith your sinuses, it's all
back down in your throat.
Go and get it checked.
My advice to you and to anyperson who is listening to this
if you're suffering from thesnoring, go and get it checked

(23:10):
by a gp.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
We have that responsibility to our viewers,
so weers not viewers Sorry.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Hopefully they're not cartoonists.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
No, I hope not, because I've got no clothes on.
So I am a naked podcaster,everybody A naked podcaster, a
naked podcaster and a nakedpodcaster with a beer.
Hey, I look great.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
What can I say?
Yes, that was my firstexperience.
Yeah, with, I forgot what it'scalled again a nasal breathing
device and out of 10.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
How would you, how many stars would you give this
device out of 10?

Speaker 3 (23:45):
oh, are we doing stars?
Are we sure we need to do anumber of gnomes, or a number of
gnome hats or fishing rods?
How?
Many fishing rods or what's agnome, I would say so.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Gnomes either have their trousers up or they're
flushing their bottom, trousersdown.
So would you say trousers upbeing a good thing, trousers
down being a bad thing?
Is this, trousers up ortrousers?

Speaker 3 (24:10):
down.
I think you kind of answered itfor me, but I think the
trousers are showing a bit of abit of bum crack, not full cheek
, because it does help with thebreathing but it doesn't stop
the snoring.
So I think you've got a coupleof cheeks hanging out together.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
A couple of cheeks hanging out, not a glowing
review.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
But its modesty at the front is still covered.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Oh yes, no willies with the names, is it?
You don't get any of that?
No, not a lot.
Not porno names, not on thisshow.
Probably any porno names youget is probably in your Facebook
history.
Oh, dear me.
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.

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