December 21, 2025 • 41 mins
Duke & Dukes Bourbon (formerly Papi's) is in the Wealth Building Wednesday spotlight. Michelle Dukes is a serial entrepreneur - owner of multiple businesses including Duke & Dukes. On this pod she shares her journey and how her granddad's side hustle led to the winning and loss of generational wealth and the birth of a new generation of business leadership. Later in the hour Dominique reads between the headlines: Vanity Fair, SNAP retrictions and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yes, indeed, and my wealth builder is in the studio
with me, and you know how much I love that.
And she came in here with a ton of energy,
which is even better. She's the owner of Duke's and
Duke's Enterprises, which is the home of thirty eight fifty
three Bourbon, which is a legacy brand. Will learn more
about that. She is following in the footsteps of her
(00:20):
own granddad. Michelle Duke's welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Good morning, How are you having I'm blessed, thanks for
coming in.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I'm grateful to be here. Yeah, how it's a very
big pleasure. As you said earlier, this is a legacy brand.
My grandfather used to make moonshine. What yes, down in Arlington, Kentucky.
When back then, you know, you had no business making moonshine, right.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, unless you were a Kennedy. It was against the law.
Well it was against the law for them too, but
I guess that's how they made their fortune.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Absolutely absolutely so. He was making so much money they
ran him up out of there.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yeah, he ran from state to state. They tried to
kill him. He had to change our last name. My
last name is originally Duke, d uk e. He added
an s. By the time I was born, he was
Duke's Okay, And that.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Wasn't really really super strategic. I mean it was strategic,
but it wasn't a huge change. No, it wasn't a
huge Probably could have found you, but maybe not right.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Absolutely, And so they opened up one of the first
bars in the Crenshaw district. Him and his brother Clyde
the Claude, I mean Claude and Pratt opened up the
Duke's living Room right there in Crenshaw where the living
room is currently.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Okay, Yeah, so that was an historic thing.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yes, absolutely, and very exciting too because the thing he
fought for his life for I'm bringing into fuition now.
So it's an honor, it's a blessing, and I just
thank God for the opportunity to honor him and his legacy.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
That's stope that you look at it like that. Yes,
I mean, as a way of honoring your family's really
tradition and also the generational wealth.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Absolutely absolutely, and through it so many great things have happened.
I've opened up a bar in Dominican Republic I called
Wings and Waffles, and we feature the dukes and dukes
at the Wings and Waffles.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Wings Waffles and Whiskey.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yes, Wings and Waffles and Whiskey and Dominican Republic right
there at the dock where you dock at.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I've never been there, but I'll make sure to go
to Wings, Waffles and Whiskey when I go.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Oh, no, you need to come. You need to come, definitely,
let me know and I'll make sure you know. I
have a tab open for you.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
You're very sweet. Okay, So you opened a bar in
the Dominican Republic. I can't wait to you know, of
all the places in the world. Why did you pick
that place?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Well, my brother and myself traveled a lot there and
he opened up a barbecue grill out there and I
went to visit him. And then there was this restaurant
available and it was right on the beach, right on
the malacone they call it, and right by the ports,
and it was so fabulous.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I said we should do this.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
He agreed, so we got the rental t together, and
then other companies came at us because they wanted the
same location. So Wings and Waffles was already established in Sosua,
that's another part of Dominican So them and a few
other companies came at us like, oh, let's partner up.
So we partnered up with them. I have five partners
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at the restaurant. So that's why I'm able to be
here in Los Angeles and still keep the restaurants wild.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Instead of you letting them push you out, you took
it as an opportunity to create partnerships.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
You know what the greatest part about it When I
go there, it's like home. I don't need a map quest,
I know the people, I'm engaged, and it's so fabulous.
You'd be surprised how good it feels to be in
another location and you feel the good energy and vibes.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah. Well, and apparently they're loving the waffles and wings.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
They are they are, they are? I am too right,
you know so. And that's the great thing too. We
didn't have to think a lot about the menu because
they had already created a foundation, because it's like, you know,
this is another location for them and for us to
partner up all together.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Now, when you when you first started this company, from
your perspective, right when your generation, I should say, okay,
what happened? I mean a lot of times, when you
know you're honoring your granddad. But a lot of times
when something like this happens, there's a catalyst. We have
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a dream, or we discover something in the family tree,
a story, a photograph. What took you down that rabbit hole?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Oh well, that's a funny story. So first thing is,
my grandfather used to make moonshine even when I.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Was a child, right, so you were you remember that.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I remember it.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
You know, I remember stopped.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
He never stopped.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
As a matter of fact, when he would make my
dad mad, they would put x lax and things in
it to you know, get him out the way. So
you know, I have a lot of funny stories about that.
But what happened was I got into a place where
I had recipe. I had a friend that also had
a line, matter of fact, Black Storm, and so she's
also a distributor, and so I got together with her,
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We got together with some distilleries and we went ahead,
and I went ahead and put duke and dukes out,
and so it was very exciting because it was almost
like God ordered my steps. You know, sometimes we don't
follow the lead. You know, we hear voice inside saying
go this way, and then we go the other way.
From fear from doubt, from not knowing what's going to
(05:31):
happen next. But I believe in the brand, I believe
in the legacy, and I was just so excited to
have an opportunity to bring forth something that he fought
so hard for he almost died over.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
And here it is.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
His name is still living on.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Duke's and Duke's legacy bourbon. You can hold it up
so they can see it on the camera. It looks
very nice. I mean it's fancy. Thank you, fancy, thank you.
I like fancy. Yeah, because we can be fancy.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I think we could be fancy and still have legacy, right,
and you know what, it's all about making things better,
taking it to the next level, because I'm sure his
original body battle wasn't fancy. They hid it in the
you know, the woods, somewhere like go to tree number two,
leave your money.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
And get sure you know whiskey.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
But now we're able to bottle it, name it and
stand by it in integrity and pride.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
He gave you the recipe though, yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
He left the recipe behind. Obviously. You know we did
a few tweaks, but yeah, this is a family recipe.
So it's such a blessing to be a part of that.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
What happened to Grandpa Dukes, I mean you said he
was still he was still making the moonshine when you
were a kid, but that, you know, being involved with
the reparations movement. That's it's one of the things that
I'm you know, really passionate about. I've heard so many
stories like your granddad's were we were chased out of
town because of our wealth. And there's a lot of
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people in la specifically who ran here from Louisiana are
somewhere in the South, you know, on the on the
on a train or in a car, just getting the
hell out of Dodge because they were about to be lynched.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
They many times they lose everything.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
You know what the interesting thing is, when my grandfather
came here, they had some form of wealth still because
they were able to open up the bar the Duke's living.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Right, So he took some money. He took some money
when he ran out.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, he took his money. He says, he ain't gonna
get my money, so he ran with his money.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
And then the.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Interesting part about it, Claude, his brother, he also on
the right where the ten Freeway and Crenshaw Meet. He
owned an apartment building there and they said they wanted
to intimate domain and they took it from him. But
when you go over there now, they didn't even use
all of what they said, So they actually stole more
from us than I could even imagine. And I'm really
trying to figure out how do I pick up the
(07:53):
pieces from that, because I'm the next generation that's still
alive to claim it. So there's a lot of moving pieces.
But it's very exciting that I do know my history
because a lot of people don't know their history and
they don't know how to even walk in their path
of their you know, ancestors.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
That's crazy about the building. It reminds me of the
stories like Bruce's Beach, like the Ebony Beach Club in
Santa Monica that they just paid out three hundred thousand
to the family. You know, well the woman the descendant
of Silas White. They paid her three hundred thousand because
they took his club. And now all this money he
would have made. And you know, I think about your
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family generations of a part of rent.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yes, absolutely, bank account, right, and I would like that
in my bank account, my bank account's like, hey, give
me all that.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah, well, and that could still happen. I mean the
way things are going now, that's pretty exciting. But yet
clearly a building or no building. You have an entrepreneurial
gene in your family.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Absolutely, and I'm very excited about it, you know what
I mean. It's been a great thing. The whiskey has
been a blessing. I also have a movie on two
be the Christmas Pull Up that the whiskey is also.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Featured in anything. We call it Poppies.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
But yes, it's been just a great movement that I've
been able to walk into my destiny.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Okay, we're going to tell you how to get the whiskey,
how to see the movie, how to support the vision,
how to buy black bourbon when we come forward on
KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. She comes from a long line
of entrepreneurs. The owner of Dukes and Dukes Enterprises, Michelle
Dukes is with me. Comes from a long line of entrepreneurs.
But yet kind of had to pull yourself up by
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your own bootstraps. Do we say bootstraps? Yeah, cross straps
all the strapss you really and you're a multiple entrepreneur.
You have a number of different businesses, but tell us
how we can support thirty eight fifty three the Dukes
and Duke's Legacy Bourbon whiskey.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Okay, you can go into Total Wine and also go
went to the seven nineteen and get it there at
the seven nineteen it has. So it started off being
poppies Bourbon and I changed it because.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Duke and Dukes.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
It sets my family more on the record. We called
my grandfather poppies. So when you go to the district
or these different restaurants, they have it in there as poppies,
and then some have it as Duke and Dukes because
I changed the name. And the reason I did because
in this name it has the legacy. I was originally
a duke and now it's Duke's and then it's legacy bourbon.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Okay. So you take us on the whole journey from
Duke to Duke's and then you have still have Lloyd
poppies Dukes yep.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
And so that's where you see the poppies there. So
it's originally poppies. And everywhere I went, people would scream
out poppies.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
To me.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
It was it had like a jingle to it, and
it was such a blessing, and it is a blessing.
I've been in New York Times Square, I've been on
All American TV show, Double Cross, TV show, feesh SHD,
my Christmas pull Up. I did the Mike Tyson UH
nonprofit event for battered women, UH, Bobby Brown's House of Serenrity,
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their golf tournament, also his black Tie Affair, the boxing
abduction to the Hall of Fame in Las Vegas, and
the list goes on. I have been such so blessed
through this journey that so many doors have opened up,
and I've been able to, you know, put Duke and
Duke's Poppies Bourbon three A five three on the map,
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and I'm just so excited about it.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah. That's so we can just go get it at
the regular old Total line, which is a big deal. Yeah,
get in those spots on it.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yep, Total Wine, Tnd's Reds Liquor, Inglewood UH in Long
Beach at the Oh my God Ambassador Liquor. So you
can find it quite a few places. They can order online.
They can go to Ducindukesbourbon dot com and you can
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order online. And then when I do special events, I
actually make specialty drinks and if you're interested in those,
you know you can inbox me on the Duke and
Duke's Legacy Bourbon website. We have watermelon, pineapple, peach, apple, coffee, cappuccino.
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We have all these different flavors and when people try them,
they love it. They constantly order from me, and it's amazing.
It's been so amazing that I'm ready to do an
rt D where you can buy those in the store
as well. So Ambassador has offered for us to put
it in the store already pre mixed, so if you're
in the Long Beach area you will be able to
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pick those up. If not, if you're not in that area.
For the mixed drinks, you could definitely look at look
into going to Ducinduke's Legacy dot com.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Ducinduke's Legacy dot com. You can order liquor there. But
if you're thinking about bringing a bottle to somebody's house
this holiday season, like go to Total Wine. Absolutely, let's
buy black. That's right, buy black.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Support our community, support each other, because you know what's
important that we support each other. You know, so many
people talk about it, but let's be about it. Yeah,
you know, so many people say, oh, I'm gonna do
this and that. And that's just like when someone says
I'm gonna pray for you. Some people just say the
word pray, they don't really pray for you, you know what.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
And you know what, I've kind of decided to start
checking myself on that. Anytime I say I'm gonna pray
for you, now I go and pray for the person.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I don't want to be a hypocrite about that. God
said you owe me seventeen thousand prayers that you've said
you were gonna say for people. Absolutely, anyway, I think
for buying black, yes, it's easier to do it when
it was something we were gonna do anyway. And it's
easy and it's convenient, absolutely so Duke and Duke's legacy
(13:56):
Bourbon whiskey. You can go to Total Wine, which there's
probably one around you, you know, or go to Reds
in Inglewood and just pick it up. You were gonna
get bourbon anyway, just get the black.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
One, absolutely absolutely. And when you go to Reds, look
for poppies. When you go to the district and for
seven nineteen look for poppies as well, because it's still
the same brand.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
But as you can see it's mentioned here.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I kind of changed it because this stands out more
for my family because anybody can be poppy, but nope,
everybody can be duke and douke three A five three okay.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Well. And the dope thing also is this is gonna
be around a long time. I hope, absolutely, And so
you know, looking back when you hand down that wealth
will be like, oh, yeah, this is our family Duke
and dukes.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
We were talking off Mike about how a lot of times,
as entrepreneurs or potential entrepreneurs, we don't do it because
we're afraid, or we don't do it because we're just procrastinating. Absolutely,
And I also said, sometimes we don't know what to do.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I think that a lot of few times people say, oh,
I'll do it tomorrow, and tomorrow turns into a week,
a month, a year, ten years. And so I think
that if you get a pen and paper, write down
your goals, make it plain, and take step by step,
and then you can accomplish that goal and make sure
you're constantly looking at that note. You know, sometimes it's
better to write it down, like you're writing things down,
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rather than putting it in your phone because you wrote
it out, it kind of stuck there with you and
you can open it up, cross it out. Hey I
accomplish this. I accomplished that. And sometimes it's not that easy,
because everything that's a blessing isn't that easy.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
You know.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
It's just like having a baby. Right you have nine
months you're in pain, you're throwing up. But when you
have that baby, you forgot all about the pain. You
forgot all about how sick you were. You remember it,
but you don't remember that pain because that blessing is here.
So I believe that everything that has a blessing, there's
also a struggle attached to it. And sometimes it is procrastination,
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sometimes it is the not knowing, and sometimes it's stumbling
blocks in the road. But how I look at life.
You know, when you go to the racetrack and you
see the horses running, they have blinders on so they
can't see the people screaming for them or against them.
They just know, I gotta make it to this finish line.
And I think if we look at life in that way,
we say, hey, I gotta make it to that finish line.
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I don't care what Sally saying. I don't say what
the Jones is saying. I just care about making it
to the finish line and being my own competition. Compete
with thyself. Don't compete with others because their blessing is
not your blessing. Your blessing is your own.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, you know what, I'm a big believer in that.
I go to the ayallavan Zen quote. She says, your
blessings have your name on them.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I believe that.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
So if it's for me, no one can take it.
And if it's not for me, I can't get it.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Come on now.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
So that's the anti hater philosophy. I agree.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
And then I feel like this, if you stay in
your lane, then you don't get ran over.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
So talk to me about how did you overcome that
for yourself? You know, the lack of knowledge and the fear.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Well, you know what, I'm gonna tell you something. My
childhood wasn't the greatest, and so I think that I
got a lot of strength from my childhood. You know,
my parents had me very young, and therefore I was
going from place to place, house to house, and so
no one really gave me direction. But everywhere I went
I picked up some knowledge and I learned to not
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tell what happened at the last house. I learned watching
other people, and I think the sense of me being
from place to place, And even though it's a sad story,
it was a blessing. Because I can't strength. I learned
how to be an overcomer. I've learned how to against
all odds, keep going, keep pushing. And so I became
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my own cheerleader.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
You can do it.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Nobody may not be standing there holding your hand, but
you can do it. So I became my own cheerleader.
I don't need other people to cheer me on. I
just need me to believe in trust in God that
he would make a way out of no way, and
know that no weapon formed against me shall be able
to prosper. And Jesus Mighty name, and I just stand
on the word of God and he keeps me going.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I'm just being honest.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
That's why I'm giggling, because clearly these are conversations you
have with yourself on a regular basis.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Oh yeah, there are, they are.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
I actually, you know, even when I'm going through turmoil
or I'm having a situation where I can figure it out,
or i feel like I'm making a bad decision, to
get myself out of it. I actually talk to myself
and say, girl that you know better than this, and
I kind of veer myself to the right direction I
should be going in, because, like I said before, if
you depend on a person to walk you through everything,
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I mean, some people may have that person, so I'm
not discrediting that, but most people don't. Most people don't
have a real support system or people that really believe
in them and that are one hundred percent down because
people are down until you make it. When you make it,
believe me, everybody's not down for you like you think.
There are now those who are down for themselves as
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well as they'll be down with you because guess what,
they believe in theirselves as well, and they understand the process.
But someone that's expecting everything to be handed to them,
everything's given expectors. You know, some people think you owe
them something. Those type of people, they're never believe in you.
They don't believe in themselves. So if that's who you're
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communicating with, they'll always slow you down. Oh you can't
do that. That's for the people that, you know what
I mean, have money, you can't do that. That's for
people who have X, y Z. But guess what, you
can do anything but fail if you put your mind
to it.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, I think that's a really good point. I was
looking at a self help book the other day and
they said, make a list of your friends that will
support that support you in your dreams no matter what.
Now make a list of your friends that always got
a hundred reasons why. That's not gonna work. And it's
for your own good, right, come on, ew And now
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you got to think about who you want to be
spending your time with.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Listen, I can give you a funny little story. I
planned a trip to go on with a bunch of
girlfriends and everyone was excited to go. And the people
that couldn't go, whether it would be lack of funds,
whether it be timing, they started hating on the trip.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Remember they were.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Excited, but when they couldn't go, Oh, you know, I'm
worried about the airplane. Granted, we need to worry about
these things, but you weren't worried originally. But now you
have this new worry, right, and you're trying to sow
the seed to me so that I won't go, right,
And then you're trying to be funny about it, like, oh,
you know, I had a dream about that, that something
bad gonna happen. We wasn't dreaming when you thought you
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was going, But the day you weren't going, you had
this dream something bad's gonna happen. And guess what, I
went and had a fabulous time. Nothing bad happened. The
reason I bring that up, that's how people are. If
they're not doing it, they will throw a bone and
hope you picked the bone up and run with it.
But I don't run with those type of bones. I
read between the lines. I remember how excited you were
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when you were gonna go.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Absolutely Molly Bell says, no weapon formed against you shall prosper. Amen. Amen,
She said amen too. So okay, well, it's really nice
to meet you. Congratulations on all your success. Look it's
you know, the seventeenth. You've got enough time to get
dukes and duke and dukes for Christmas, kwalmsa and New Year's.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Come on now in all year long. Okay, a toast
to the duke and dukes.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Put up your dukes three eight five three.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
And we'll go to Duke and Duke's Legacybourbon dot com
dot com Duke and Duke's Legacybourbon dot Com or we'll
go find it in a store.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Absolutely, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah, it's Michelle Duke's pleasure meeting you, and best of
luck to you and your family. I hope Duke and
Dukes around for generations. And I hope you get the
dug On apartment building back.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I hope I get it back too.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
And you know what, I hope that everything that God
orders in my step, she'll come into fruition and shout
out to my wave team because I have a strong
team of black people and communities that come together, and
I love one community comes together with vision, purpose and success.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Amen, Michelle Dukes, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
We got news, traffic, and sports and then you if
you want to call him KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. I
bet you can guess which publication is getting sued next
by them by the President. I can. Did you see
the Vanity Fair photos? Oh mg, they did a very
subtle takedown. Well it's not that subtle, but I think
(22:40):
it's subtle because they got the top brass of the
Trump administration to pose for them voluntarily. You know, they
weren't flying drones over their house and taking photos. They
got them to pose voluntarily, and now they're mad because
they look terrible. They are in extreme close ups and
(23:04):
it's really upsetting the team. You're rich, you're rich people,
you know, all of the people in the article are
rich people. Okay, they can hire makeup artists. I can
make you look They should call McCoy. I can hire
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makeup artists that make them look good close up. But
it's not just that. It's that apparently the President's chief
of staff Susie Wiles, who is supposed to be like
the disciplinarian of that group, right, she's the one that
keeps them, supposedly keeps the president in line to an extent,
(23:49):
as much as he can be kept in line. She
got loose lips with Vanity Fair and just was talking
a whole bunch of small Now she's trying to be like, no,
it's taken out of context. Are not They're making it
sound worse than it sounds. But Vanity Fair is not playing.
(24:12):
They say they got their interviews on tape. They are
more than happy to sell receipts the show receipts I mean,
and that they they're not scared of this White House,
but I guarantee you the President's probably going to sue them.
The things that she said about the president about her
(24:36):
fellow I guess inner circle people they call her the
enforcer and the architect of his twenty twenty four victory.
She's also the White House chief of staff. And she
said allegedly said, according to Vanity Fair, he has an
alcoholics personality. The president does, I meaning it's OVERSI, you know,
(25:02):
and she knows how to deal with difficult men with
big personalities because her dad was an alcoholic. How do
you get people to talk like this? I mean, I'm
a decent interviewer. I think when maybe they gave them drinks,
maybe it was hubris. I also think that when people
(25:24):
this isn't this doesn't apply here. But I think when
people go on podcasts as opposed to like formal radio,
you know, they get in drink champs mode or whatever
it is, and they just start talking, not thinking that
where are the comps people like, not thinking that those
same little clips are gonna go viral and if you
(25:46):
didn't do it on tape, it's gonna go viral. As
a quote, this is a real disaster for them, So
I'm imagining I'm expecting a lawsuit from the president. He
already suing the BBC now. And then look, they almost
didn't have to say anything. The photos alone are just
(26:08):
so extra, the extreme close ups of very diabolical looking people.
It's just uh woh. It just doesn't make you want
to spend time in that Trump White House. But also
the fact that they're spinning now when trying to say, oh, well, no,
(26:31):
you know, that's not what I said, and you're taking
it out of context. What context can you can say
the president has an alcoholic personality? What context makes that
sound good? What context would clean that up? I think
they got loose lips, they got hubris. They quote A JD.
(26:52):
Vance is saying they'll pay he's joking, but he says
he'll pay them one hundred bucks for every every photo
that makes him look better than everyone else, and a
thousand bucks if it's the Secretary of State Marc Rubio.
Ha ha ha ha ha. Yeah. But those are the
(27:12):
kind of jokes that tell you what's really going on
behind the scenes in that kind of in that kind
of environment, I guess we'll call it an environment. Meanwhile, also,
yesterday after I got off the air, the speaker, Speaker
Mike Johnson, said nope. In something that surprised nobody that
(27:36):
pays attention to anything, the Speaker says, no, there will
not be a vote to extend the subsidies on Obamacare
or the Affordable Care Act. No, there will be no vote.
Remember that vote that was promised to reopen the government
that all of us were well, most of us were
(27:59):
angry that the Dems caved and didn't get what they wanted.
They were supposed to hold out for those healthcare subsidies.
Oh no, they were promised to vote and now whoops, Nope,
not gonna happen. He said no, and he you know,
(28:19):
unless they did some extreme measure, they're not gonna be
able to bring anything like that to the floor to
extend Affordable Care Act subsidies they expire at the end
of the year. Maybe they're I doubt it, but maybe
Dems are playing chestnut checkers and they know that the
American people are going to blame Republicans when their healthcare
(28:43):
premiums go up by a thousand bucks starting next year
January first, actually, which isn't a couple of weeks. And
maybe that means that they think this is gonna come
back to haunt Republicans in the midterms, which are next year,
(29:07):
next couple weeks, we're back in election season. He said
they could debate it maybe, but then he said no,
and this is gonna be a whole problem. I think
it's gonna be a whole problem for Republicans. But I
also think it illustrates the problem with Democrats. Right. They're
(29:29):
playing by the rules that no one else is playing
by anymore. What do I mean by that? It reminds
me of the Supreme Court. Oh no, it's too late.
We can't get We can't let Obama get a vote
on Merrick Garland. Oh wait, we can cram through Amy
Cony Barrett at the last minute they want. They count
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on Republicans, count on the fact that Democrats are playing
by old rules that they don't have to play by.
And this is exactly that. Oh, we have a gentleman
steal a general person's deal. Will vote on the subsidies
when the government comes back. And Trump even said it,
how can we vote on this when the government shut down?
But nope, they are lying. They're like, whoops, we lied.
(30:17):
It's Charlie Brown and the football. Oh you thought you
were getting a vote. I never said that, and it's it.
I do believe it will hurt them, but it hurts
the American people in the meantime. Right, I rather people
be able to afford their insurance than Democrats get a
(30:38):
symbolic victory. From my perspective, my priority is people not
being without healthcare, people not being you know, bankrupted by
their medical bills. That's my priority, not the Dems win one.
Perfect time to call me eight hundred and nine to
two oh, fifteen eighty. I'm dominic deprima for KVLA talk
(31:01):
fifteen eighty. So apparently the Make America Healthy Again initiative
of the Health and Human Services Secretary is going to
mean that they're going to be limiting what you can
buy with your SNAP benefits. In twenty twenty five, a
bunch of states are going to limit things you can get.
(31:23):
And they're claiming that they're cutting out junk food. They're
claiming that they're returning SNAP to its original purpose, which
was nutrition, meaning that you can't buy the foods the
president would eat. Nothing the president eats will now be allowable, like,
for example, in Florida, you won't be able to buy
energy drinks, candy, desserts what they calling process desserts like intimens,
(31:48):
cakes and things like that. You won't be able to
get soda. It's weird to me. Also, these guys are
so hypocritical. On the one hand, I would love it
if none of us drank soda. Okay, don't get me wrong,
soda has I don't know, something ridiculous like six cups
of sugar in it for a bottle of soda will
take you ten gallons of water to wash that out
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of your system. If none of us would drink soda,
and then the diet sodas do all kinds of terrible
things to you, you know, erode your bones and all
these other things. So I would love it if we
never never drink soda. But the fact that now you're
going to put all of these restrictions on people from
what they can buy for their family. You can't get
a cake for your family. That is nanny state stuff
(32:35):
that they claim they don't condone, but only condone it
for low resource people. Which is really interesting because at
the same time RFK has given the go ahead to
spray our vegetables with forever chemicals that cause birth effects,
that can cause changes to your sex organs, you know,
(32:58):
and all kinds of other terrible things. They're going to
allow that stuff to start being sprayed on our nonorganic vegetables,
which means now they want to force you to eat
vegetables instead of processed foods, but they're making the vegetables
as toxic as the process foods. These people are so
(33:19):
upside down, inside out and backwards. And now that as
a way of punishing snap recipients, you can't get desserts
and treats. I just I hate that, And like I said,
I wish none of us would ever drink soda. But
that's not the point. The point is you're trying to stigmatize,
(33:42):
to marginalize, to police people's grocery baskets. At the same
time you want to spray our vegetables with forever chemicals
that make us have generational problems. That's not just a
problem for me that eats it, It's a problem for
the person who's giving birth in the next generation, my
(34:05):
daughter and her daughter, etc. And so on. So make
America healthy again is a joke. And I think for
a lot of the holistic health care practitioner type people
people I love because I'm all into herbs and healthy
eating and working out. I'm a health enthusiast, right, And
(34:28):
I don't know if I could have been on early
early morning radio for all of these years if I
wasn't a health enthusiast, because trust me, getting up at three,
three thirty four o'clock in the morning every day is
more than a notion. I love my job, but sometimes
I don't love that. And if it wasn't for eating
healthy and such, I don't think I could do it.
If it wasn't for working out, I don't think I
could have done it all these years. But a lot
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of our holistic folks felt like they were happy about
RFK because maybe he would take away forced vaccines, maybe
he would consider some kinds of herbal remedies and things,
deregulating them so that we could have less restrictions on
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ourselves as holistic practitioners. But if you are really paying attention,
how are you excited about a guy who is allowing
an administration who is allowing the return of these forever
chemicals to pesticides on the vegetables. To me, that wipes
away any positivity from any other holistic health beliefs that
(35:37):
this man might have, that these people might have. And now, okay,
you want to restrict soda. It's so funny because if
Michelle Obama would have done it, their heads would have exploded.
But now they're doing it. But they're only doing it
for the poor. Because I'm willing to bet ten thousand
dollars right now that there will be no restriction on
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the President's soda and take, nor should there be. Let's
go to Fred calling us from La Good morning, Fred.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Hello Dominique. Okay, I was listening to the Sunday talk
show and the Senator Tammy duck Worthless was on and
she was talking about the Pirates of the Caribbean. And
you turned back to clock to eighteen twenty five, and
we all know the Pirates of the Caribbeans ran Rum.
And so fast forward to today. What I know this
(36:27):
is not down on Trump's position, But what makes you
think you you have a reaver? Martin her think you kid?
The US Navy and any recognized navy in the world
can't sink the Jolly Roger in the international waters.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Okay, today featuring Ted's Maga, Fred's Maga talking points of
the day. Thank you for that. Fred duck worthless, are
you now are did you make that up? Or did
you get that from the president?
Speaker 4 (36:56):
And no, I made this up. Okay, So we got
talking about he's taking pirate ships.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
No, no, no, I'm talking about Duckworth and they are
talking about that actually, because it's a terrible excuse for
what is clearly a war crime. You cannot just fire
on people, even pirate ships. Pirates have to have a trial.
You don't not get due process because you're an alleged pirate.
You don't get to steal people's oil. Who's the pirate
(37:24):
in that situation. We're the ones jacking them for an
oil tanker. Wouldn't that make us the pirates?
Speaker 4 (37:30):
No, they say they're going through the oil tanker business legally.
They say they got assigned.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
What do you expect them to say, Fred, you wan't
you expect them to say, no, we're war criminals. We're
doing this illegally. Come on, now, even you wouldn't make
that argument.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
That's what people like you to keep them in check.
We'll see how that plays out. But no, let's stay
let's stay with with with the with the drug boats.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
You know, the alleged drug boats. We have seen not
one shred of proof that those are drag boats. And
the New York Times had an amazing analysis where they
actually said there were a few people on the boats
that may have been low level drug you know whatever,
carriers like mules, but that most of those people were
(38:13):
fishermen or regular people who are now dead. We're up
too close to one hundred people now that we've killed,
just because the President and heg Seth, you know, oh
whiskey Pete say that they are drug boats, but there's
no proof of that. You can't just say a thing
and then kill a person.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Okay, let me, may I respond prese, fishing boats don't
have three high powered mercury engines I used to build Injines.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
You don't know what they have and what they don't have.
You don't know what they're fishing, or you don't know
where they're going. So if I have three high powered engines,
that means you can kill me and blow up my boat.
What are we talking about here, Fred, What you're saying
is basically the equivalent of Pete hag Seth can say
Fred from La is a drug dealer, so I shot
him in the head. But you don't get a chance
(39:00):
to say your part. You don't get to go to court,
you get no due process. He can just shoot you
on the heads out. Well, I told you that Fred
dude was a drug dealer. What if the Left started
doing that, Fred, you'd be awfully distressed. Well, Fred is
guilty of maga talking points, slinging, he's he's he's dealing
these maga drugs. So we'll just take him out like that.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
That's not how they sin.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
And that and that's not okay either, because those are
acts of war and we are not in a war.
There is no declared war, and you cannot just kill
people without a trial like what. I don't even believe
he should kill people with a trial. But if you
at the very least, you're supposed to have your day
in court.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
So the US Navy should not in international waters use
that that that doctrine that you could think a pirate ship.
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Uh, you know what you're you're talking point? When over
my head that time, Fred, say, I hate to say it,
but say it again.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
What you're saying is any nation in the world recognized
nation cannot sink a pirate ship in international waters. Is
that what you're saying, Well.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
You cannot kill people. That's not what I'm saying. That's
what international law is saying. I'm not the arbiter of it.
You know, I didn't even know you couldn't bomb shipwrecked people,
although it makes sense, Fred. But here's the thing, No
capture them. Were the US army. We spend all more
money than anybody in the world on military So why
(40:38):
don't you use some of that and capture these alleged
boats and then put them on trial and then prove it.
You must sink the Jolly Roger. You must sink the
talking points, Fred, Fred, Fred, And by the way, Representative
Duckworth served our country, Okay, so you know you could
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show some respect. I don't you know. You might not
agree with her politically, but just you don't have to
disparage our troops. Senator Duckworth has paid more dues than
your president. I don't know about you, Fred, Maybe you served,
I don't know, but I know for sure that Tammy
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Duckworth did. And so for you to call her worthless
when she's given more to this country in terms of
service and risking her own life than the President of
the United States. Is nasty work, News, traffic and sports
and more on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty
Yes, indeed, and my wealth builder is in the studio
with me, and you know how much I love that.
And she came in here with a ton of energy,
which is even better. She's the owner of Duke's and
Duke's Enterprises, which is the home of thirty eight fifty
three Bourbon, which is a legacy brand. Will learn more
about that. She is following in the footsteps of her
(00:20):
own granddad. Michelle Duke's welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Good morning, How are you having I'm blessed, thanks for
coming in.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
I'm grateful to be here. Yeah, how it's a very
big pleasure. As you said earlier, this is a legacy brand.
My grandfather used to make moonshine. What yes, down in Arlington, Kentucky.
When back then, you know, you had no business making moonshine, right.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, unless you were a Kennedy. It was against the law.
Well it was against the law for them too, but
I guess that's how they made their fortune.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Absolutely absolutely so. He was making so much money they
ran him up out of there.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Yeah, he ran from state to state. They tried to
kill him. He had to change our last name. My
last name is originally Duke, d uk e. He added
an s. By the time I was born, he was
Duke's Okay, And that.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Wasn't really really super strategic. I mean it was strategic,
but it wasn't a huge change. No, it wasn't a
huge Probably could have found you, but maybe not right.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Absolutely, And so they opened up one of the first
bars in the Crenshaw district. Him and his brother Clyde
the Claude, I mean Claude and Pratt opened up the
Duke's living Room right there in Crenshaw where the living
room is currently.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Okay, Yeah, so that was an historic thing.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yes, absolutely, and very exciting too because the thing he
fought for his life for I'm bringing into fuition now.
So it's an honor, it's a blessing, and I just
thank God for the opportunity to honor him and his legacy.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
That's stope that you look at it like that. Yes,
I mean, as a way of honoring your family's really
tradition and also the generational wealth.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Absolutely absolutely, and through it so many great things have happened.
I've opened up a bar in Dominican Republic I called
Wings and Waffles, and we feature the dukes and dukes
at the Wings and Waffles.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Wings Waffles and Whiskey.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yes, Wings and Waffles and Whiskey and Dominican Republic right
there at the dock where you dock at.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I've never been there, but I'll make sure to go
to Wings, Waffles and Whiskey when I go.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Oh, no, you need to come. You need to come, definitely,
let me know and I'll make sure you know. I
have a tab open for you.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
You're very sweet. Okay, So you opened a bar in
the Dominican Republic. I can't wait to you know, of
all the places in the world. Why did you pick
that place?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Well, my brother and myself traveled a lot there and
he opened up a barbecue grill out there and I
went to visit him. And then there was this restaurant
available and it was right on the beach, right on
the malacone they call it, and right by the ports,
and it was so fabulous.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I said we should do this.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
He agreed, so we got the rental t together, and
then other companies came at us because they wanted the
same location. So Wings and Waffles was already established in Sosua,
that's another part of Dominican So them and a few
other companies came at us like, oh, let's partner up.
So we partnered up with them. I have five partners
(03:17):
at the restaurant. So that's why I'm able to be
here in Los Angeles and still keep the restaurants wild.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Instead of you letting them push you out, you took
it as an opportunity to create partnerships.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
You know what the greatest part about it When I
go there, it's like home. I don't need a map quest,
I know the people, I'm engaged, and it's so fabulous.
You'd be surprised how good it feels to be in
another location and you feel the good energy and vibes.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah. Well, and apparently they're loving the waffles and wings.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
They are they are, they are? I am too right,
you know so. And that's the great thing too. We
didn't have to think a lot about the menu because
they had already created a foundation, because it's like, you know,
this is another location for them and for us to
partner up all together.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Now, when you when you first started this company, from
your perspective, right when your generation, I should say, okay,
what happened? I mean a lot of times, when you
know you're honoring your granddad. But a lot of times
when something like this happens, there's a catalyst. We have
(04:27):
a dream, or we discover something in the family tree,
a story, a photograph. What took you down that rabbit hole?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Oh well, that's a funny story. So first thing is,
my grandfather used to make moonshine even when I.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Was a child, right, so you were you remember that.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I remember it.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
You know, I remember stopped.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
He never stopped.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
As a matter of fact, when he would make my
dad mad, they would put x lax and things in
it to you know, get him out the way. So
you know, I have a lot of funny stories about that.
But what happened was I got into a place where
I had recipe. I had a friend that also had
a line, matter of fact, Black Storm, and so she's
also a distributor, and so I got together with her,
(05:10):
We got together with some distilleries and we went ahead,
and I went ahead and put duke and dukes out,
and so it was very exciting because it was almost
like God ordered my steps. You know, sometimes we don't
follow the lead. You know, we hear voice inside saying
go this way, and then we go the other way.
From fear from doubt, from not knowing what's going to
(05:31):
happen next. But I believe in the brand, I believe
in the legacy, and I was just so excited to
have an opportunity to bring forth something that he fought
so hard for he almost died over.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
And here it is.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
His name is still living on.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Duke's and Duke's legacy bourbon. You can hold it up
so they can see it on the camera. It looks
very nice. I mean it's fancy. Thank you, fancy, thank you.
I like fancy. Yeah, because we can be fancy.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I think we could be fancy and still have legacy, right,
and you know what, it's all about making things better,
taking it to the next level, because I'm sure his
original body battle wasn't fancy. They hid it in the
you know, the woods, somewhere like go to tree number two,
leave your money.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
And get sure you know whiskey.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
But now we're able to bottle it, name it and
stand by it in integrity and pride.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
He gave you the recipe though, yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
He left the recipe behind. Obviously. You know we did
a few tweaks, but yeah, this is a family recipe.
So it's such a blessing to be a part of that.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
What happened to Grandpa Dukes, I mean you said he
was still he was still making the moonshine when you
were a kid, but that, you know, being involved with
the reparations movement. That's it's one of the things that
I'm you know, really passionate about. I've heard so many
stories like your granddad's were we were chased out of
town because of our wealth. And there's a lot of
(06:55):
people in la specifically who ran here from Louisiana are
somewhere in the South, you know, on the on the
on a train or in a car, just getting the
hell out of Dodge because they were about to be lynched.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
They many times they lose everything.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
You know what the interesting thing is, when my grandfather
came here, they had some form of wealth still because
they were able to open up the bar the Duke's living.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Right, So he took some money. He took some money
when he ran out.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, he took his money. He says, he ain't gonna
get my money, so he ran with his money.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
And then the.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Interesting part about it, Claude, his brother, he also on
the right where the ten Freeway and Crenshaw Meet. He
owned an apartment building there and they said they wanted
to intimate domain and they took it from him. But
when you go over there now, they didn't even use
all of what they said, So they actually stole more
from us than I could even imagine. And I'm really
trying to figure out how do I pick up the
(07:53):
pieces from that, because I'm the next generation that's still
alive to claim it. So there's a lot of moving pieces.
But it's very exciting that I do know my history
because a lot of people don't know their history and
they don't know how to even walk in their path
of their you know, ancestors.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
That's crazy about the building. It reminds me of the
stories like Bruce's Beach, like the Ebony Beach Club in
Santa Monica that they just paid out three hundred thousand
to the family. You know, well the woman the descendant
of Silas White. They paid her three hundred thousand because
they took his club. And now all this money he
would have made. And you know, I think about your
(08:32):
family generations of a part of rent.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yes, absolutely, bank account, right, and I would like that
in my bank account, my bank account's like, hey, give
me all that.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah, well, and that could still happen. I mean the
way things are going now, that's pretty exciting. But yet
clearly a building or no building. You have an entrepreneurial
gene in your family.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Absolutely, and I'm very excited about it, you know what
I mean. It's been a great thing. The whiskey has
been a blessing. I also have a movie on two
be the Christmas Pull Up that the whiskey is also.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Featured in anything. We call it Poppies.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
But yes, it's been just a great movement that I've
been able to walk into my destiny.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Okay, we're going to tell you how to get the whiskey,
how to see the movie, how to support the vision,
how to buy black bourbon when we come forward on
KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. She comes from a long line
of entrepreneurs. The owner of Dukes and Dukes Enterprises, Michelle
Dukes is with me. Comes from a long line of entrepreneurs.
But yet kind of had to pull yourself up by
(09:39):
your own bootstraps. Do we say bootstraps? Yeah, cross straps
all the strapss you really and you're a multiple entrepreneur.
You have a number of different businesses, but tell us
how we can support thirty eight fifty three the Dukes
and Duke's Legacy Bourbon whiskey.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Okay, you can go into Total Wine and also go
went to the seven nineteen and get it there at
the seven nineteen it has. So it started off being
poppies Bourbon and I changed it because.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Duke and Dukes.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
It sets my family more on the record. We called
my grandfather poppies. So when you go to the district
or these different restaurants, they have it in there as poppies,
and then some have it as Duke and Dukes because
I changed the name. And the reason I did because
in this name it has the legacy. I was originally
a duke and now it's Duke's and then it's legacy bourbon.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Okay. So you take us on the whole journey from
Duke to Duke's and then you have still have Lloyd
poppies Dukes yep.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
And so that's where you see the poppies there. So
it's originally poppies. And everywhere I went, people would scream
out poppies.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
To me.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
It was it had like a jingle to it, and
it was such a blessing, and it is a blessing.
I've been in New York Times Square, I've been on
All American TV show, Double Cross, TV show, feesh SHD,
my Christmas pull Up. I did the Mike Tyson UH
nonprofit event for battered women, UH, Bobby Brown's House of Serenrity,
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their golf tournament, also his black Tie Affair, the boxing
abduction to the Hall of Fame in Las Vegas, and
the list goes on. I have been such so blessed
through this journey that so many doors have opened up,
and I've been able to, you know, put Duke and
Duke's Poppies Bourbon three A five three on the map,
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and I'm just so excited about it.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah. That's so we can just go get it at
the regular old Total line, which is a big deal. Yeah,
get in those spots on it.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yep, Total Wine, Tnd's Reds Liquor, Inglewood UH in Long
Beach at the Oh my God Ambassador Liquor. So you
can find it quite a few places. They can order online.
They can go to Ducindukesbourbon dot com and you can
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order online. And then when I do special events, I
actually make specialty drinks and if you're interested in those,
you know you can inbox me on the Duke and
Duke's Legacy Bourbon website. We have watermelon, pineapple, peach, apple, coffee, cappuccino.
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We have all these different flavors and when people try them,
they love it. They constantly order from me, and it's amazing.
It's been so amazing that I'm ready to do an
rt D where you can buy those in the store
as well. So Ambassador has offered for us to put
it in the store already pre mixed, so if you're
in the Long Beach area you will be able to
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pick those up. If not, if you're not in that area.
For the mixed drinks, you could definitely look at look
into going to Ducinduke's Legacy dot com.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Ducinduke's Legacy dot com. You can order liquor there. But
if you're thinking about bringing a bottle to somebody's house
this holiday season, like go to Total Wine. Absolutely, let's
buy black. That's right, buy black.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Support our community, support each other, because you know what's
important that we support each other. You know, so many
people talk about it, but let's be about it. Yeah,
you know, so many people say, oh, I'm gonna do
this and that. And that's just like when someone says
I'm gonna pray for you. Some people just say the
word pray, they don't really pray for you, you know what.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
And you know what, I've kind of decided to start
checking myself on that. Anytime I say I'm gonna pray
for you, now I go and pray for the person.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
I don't want to be a hypocrite about that. God
said you owe me seventeen thousand prayers that you've said
you were gonna say for people. Absolutely, anyway, I think
for buying black, yes, it's easier to do it when
it was something we were gonna do anyway. And it's
easy and it's convenient, absolutely so Duke and Duke's legacy
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Bourbon whiskey. You can go to Total Wine, which there's
probably one around you, you know, or go to Reds
in Inglewood and just pick it up. You were gonna
get bourbon anyway, just get the black.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
One, absolutely absolutely. And when you go to Reds, look
for poppies. When you go to the district and for
seven nineteen look for poppies as well, because it's still
the same brand.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
But as you can see it's mentioned here.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I kind of changed it because this stands out more
for my family because anybody can be poppy, but nope,
everybody can be duke and douke three A five three okay.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Well. And the dope thing also is this is gonna
be around a long time. I hope, absolutely, And so
you know, looking back when you hand down that wealth
will be like, oh, yeah, this is our family Duke
and dukes.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
We were talking off Mike about how a lot of times,
as entrepreneurs or potential entrepreneurs, we don't do it because
we're afraid, or we don't do it because we're just procrastinating. Absolutely,
And I also said, sometimes we don't know what to do.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I think that a lot of few times people say, oh,
I'll do it tomorrow, and tomorrow turns into a week,
a month, a year, ten years. And so I think
that if you get a pen and paper, write down
your goals, make it plain, and take step by step,
and then you can accomplish that goal and make sure
you're constantly looking at that note. You know, sometimes it's
better to write it down, like you're writing things down,
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rather than putting it in your phone because you wrote
it out, it kind of stuck there with you and
you can open it up, cross it out. Hey I
accomplish this. I accomplished that. And sometimes it's not that easy,
because everything that's a blessing isn't that easy.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
You know.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
It's just like having a baby. Right you have nine
months you're in pain, you're throwing up. But when you
have that baby, you forgot all about the pain. You
forgot all about how sick you were. You remember it,
but you don't remember that pain because that blessing is here.
So I believe that everything that has a blessing, there's
also a struggle attached to it. And sometimes it is procrastination,
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sometimes it is the not knowing, and sometimes it's stumbling
blocks in the road. But how I look at life.
You know, when you go to the racetrack and you
see the horses running, they have blinders on so they
can't see the people screaming for them or against them.
They just know, I gotta make it to this finish line.
And I think if we look at life in that way,
we say, hey, I gotta make it to that finish line.
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I don't care what Sally saying. I don't say what
the Jones is saying. I just care about making it
to the finish line and being my own competition. Compete
with thyself. Don't compete with others because their blessing is
not your blessing. Your blessing is your own.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, you know what, I'm a big believer in that.
I go to the ayallavan Zen quote. She says, your
blessings have your name on them.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I believe that.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
So if it's for me, no one can take it.
And if it's not for me, I can't get it.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Come on now.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
So that's the anti hater philosophy. I agree.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
And then I feel like this, if you stay in
your lane, then you don't get ran over.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
So talk to me about how did you overcome that
for yourself? You know, the lack of knowledge and the fear.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Well, you know what, I'm gonna tell you something. My
childhood wasn't the greatest, and so I think that I
got a lot of strength from my childhood. You know,
my parents had me very young, and therefore I was
going from place to place, house to house, and so
no one really gave me direction. But everywhere I went
I picked up some knowledge and I learned to not
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tell what happened at the last house. I learned watching
other people, and I think the sense of me being
from place to place, And even though it's a sad story,
it was a blessing. Because I can't strength. I learned
how to be an overcomer. I've learned how to against
all odds, keep going, keep pushing. And so I became
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my own cheerleader.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
You can do it.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Nobody may not be standing there holding your hand, but
you can do it. So I became my own cheerleader.
I don't need other people to cheer me on. I
just need me to believe in trust in God that
he would make a way out of no way, and
know that no weapon formed against me shall be able
to prosper. And Jesus Mighty name, and I just stand
on the word of God and he keeps me going.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I'm just being honest.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
That's why I'm giggling, because clearly these are conversations you
have with yourself on a regular basis.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Oh yeah, there are, they are.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
I actually, you know, even when I'm going through turmoil
or I'm having a situation where I can figure it out,
or i feel like I'm making a bad decision, to
get myself out of it. I actually talk to myself
and say, girl that you know better than this, and
I kind of veer myself to the right direction I
should be going in, because, like I said before, if
you depend on a person to walk you through everything,
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I mean, some people may have that person, so I'm
not discrediting that, but most people don't. Most people don't
have a real support system or people that really believe
in them and that are one hundred percent down because
people are down until you make it. When you make it,
believe me, everybody's not down for you like you think.
There are now those who are down for themselves as
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well as they'll be down with you because guess what,
they believe in theirselves as well, and they understand the process.
But someone that's expecting everything to be handed to them,
everything's given expectors. You know, some people think you owe
them something. Those type of people, they're never believe in you.
They don't believe in themselves. So if that's who you're
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communicating with, they'll always slow you down. Oh you can't
do that. That's for the people that, you know what
I mean, have money, you can't do that. That's for
people who have X, y Z. But guess what, you
can do anything but fail if you put your mind
to it.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, I think that's a really good point. I was
looking at a self help book the other day and
they said, make a list of your friends that will
support that support you in your dreams no matter what.
Now make a list of your friends that always got
a hundred reasons why. That's not gonna work. And it's
for your own good, right, come on, ew And now
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you got to think about who you want to be
spending your time with.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Listen, I can give you a funny little story. I
planned a trip to go on with a bunch of
girlfriends and everyone was excited to go. And the people
that couldn't go, whether it would be lack of funds,
whether it be timing, they started hating on the trip.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Remember they were.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Excited, but when they couldn't go, Oh, you know, I'm
worried about the airplane. Granted, we need to worry about
these things, but you weren't worried originally. But now you
have this new worry, right, and you're trying to sow
the seed to me so that I won't go, right,
And then you're trying to be funny about it, like, oh,
you know, I had a dream about that, that something
bad gonna happen. We wasn't dreaming when you thought you
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was going, But the day you weren't going, you had
this dream something bad's gonna happen. And guess what, I
went and had a fabulous time. Nothing bad happened. The
reason I bring that up, that's how people are. If
they're not doing it, they will throw a bone and
hope you picked the bone up and run with it.
But I don't run with those type of bones. I
read between the lines. I remember how excited you were
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when you were gonna go.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Absolutely Molly Bell says, no weapon formed against you shall prosper. Amen. Amen,
She said amen too. So okay, well, it's really nice
to meet you. Congratulations on all your success. Look it's
you know, the seventeenth. You've got enough time to get
dukes and duke and dukes for Christmas, kwalmsa and New Year's.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Come on now in all year long. Okay, a toast
to the duke and dukes.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Put up your dukes three eight five three.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
And we'll go to Duke and Duke's Legacybourbon dot com
dot com Duke and Duke's Legacybourbon dot Com or we'll
go find it in a store.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Absolutely, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah, it's Michelle Duke's pleasure meeting you, and best of
luck to you and your family. I hope Duke and
Dukes around for generations. And I hope you get the
dug On apartment building back.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
I hope I get it back too.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
And you know what, I hope that everything that God
orders in my step, she'll come into fruition and shout
out to my wave team because I have a strong
team of black people and communities that come together, and
I love one community comes together with vision, purpose and success.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Amen, Michelle Dukes, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
We got news, traffic, and sports and then you if
you want to call him KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. I
bet you can guess which publication is getting sued next
by them by the President. I can. Did you see
the Vanity Fair photos? Oh mg, they did a very
subtle takedown. Well it's not that subtle, but I think
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it's subtle because they got the top brass of the
Trump administration to pose for them voluntarily. You know, they
weren't flying drones over their house and taking photos. They
got them to pose voluntarily, and now they're mad because
they look terrible. They are in extreme close ups and
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it's really upsetting the team. You're rich, you're rich people,
you know, all of the people in the article are
rich people. Okay, they can hire makeup artists. I can
make you look They should call McCoy. I can hire
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makeup artists that make them look good close up. But
it's not just that. It's that apparently the President's chief
of staff Susie Wiles, who is supposed to be like
the disciplinarian of that group, right, she's the one that
keeps them, supposedly keeps the president in line to an extent,
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as much as he can be kept in line. She
got loose lips with Vanity Fair and just was talking
a whole bunch of small Now she's trying to be like, no,
it's taken out of context. Are not They're making it
sound worse than it sounds. But Vanity Fair is not playing.
(24:12):
They say they got their interviews on tape. They are
more than happy to sell receipts the show receipts I mean,
and that they they're not scared of this White House,
but I guarantee you the President's probably going to sue them.
The things that she said about the president about her
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fellow I guess inner circle people they call her the
enforcer and the architect of his twenty twenty four victory.
She's also the White House chief of staff. And she
said allegedly said, according to Vanity Fair, he has an
alcoholics personality. The president does, I meaning it's OVERSI, you know,
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and she knows how to deal with difficult men with
big personalities because her dad was an alcoholic. How do
you get people to talk like this? I mean, I'm
a decent interviewer. I think when maybe they gave them drinks,
maybe it was hubris. I also think that when people
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this isn't this doesn't apply here. But I think when
people go on podcasts as opposed to like formal radio,
you know, they get in drink champs mode or whatever
it is, and they just start talking, not thinking that
where are the comps people like, not thinking that those
same little clips are gonna go viral and if you
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didn't do it on tape, it's gonna go viral. As
a quote, this is a real disaster for them, So
I'm imagining I'm expecting a lawsuit from the president. He
already suing the BBC now. And then look, they almost
didn't have to say anything. The photos alone are just
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so extra, the extreme close ups of very diabolical looking people.
It's just uh woh. It just doesn't make you want
to spend time in that Trump White House. But also
the fact that they're spinning now when trying to say, oh, well, no,
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you know, that's not what I said, and you're taking
it out of context. What context can you can say
the president has an alcoholic personality? What context makes that
sound good? What context would clean that up? I think
they got loose lips, they got hubris. They quote A JD.
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Vance is saying they'll pay he's joking, but he says
he'll pay them one hundred bucks for every every photo
that makes him look better than everyone else, and a
thousand bucks if it's the Secretary of State Marc Rubio.
Ha ha ha ha ha. Yeah. But those are the
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kind of jokes that tell you what's really going on
behind the scenes in that kind of in that kind
of environment, I guess we'll call it an environment. Meanwhile, also,
yesterday after I got off the air, the speaker, Speaker
Mike Johnson, said nope. In something that surprised nobody that
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pays attention to anything, the Speaker says, no, there will
not be a vote to extend the subsidies on Obamacare
or the Affordable Care Act. No, there will be no vote.
Remember that vote that was promised to reopen the government
that all of us were well, most of us were
(27:59):
angry that the Dems caved and didn't get what they wanted.
They were supposed to hold out for those healthcare subsidies.
Oh no, they were promised to vote and now whoops, Nope,
not gonna happen. He said no, and he you know,
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unless they did some extreme measure, they're not gonna be
able to bring anything like that to the floor to
extend Affordable Care Act subsidies they expire at the end
of the year. Maybe they're I doubt it, but maybe
Dems are playing chestnut checkers and they know that the
American people are going to blame Republicans when their healthcare
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premiums go up by a thousand bucks starting next year
January first, actually, which isn't a couple of weeks. And
maybe that means that they think this is gonna come
back to haunt Republicans in the midterms, which are next year,
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next couple weeks, we're back in election season. He said
they could debate it maybe, but then he said no,
and this is gonna be a whole problem. I think
it's gonna be a whole problem for Republicans. But I
also think it illustrates the problem with Democrats. Right. They're
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playing by the rules that no one else is playing
by anymore. What do I mean by that? It reminds
me of the Supreme Court. Oh no, it's too late.
We can't get We can't let Obama get a vote
on Merrick Garland. Oh wait, we can cram through Amy
Cony Barrett at the last minute they want. They count
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on Republicans, count on the fact that Democrats are playing
by old rules that they don't have to play by.
And this is exactly that. Oh, we have a gentleman
steal a general person's deal. Will vote on the subsidies
when the government comes back. And Trump even said it,
how can we vote on this when the government shut down?
But nope, they are lying. They're like, whoops, we lied.
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It's Charlie Brown and the football. Oh you thought you
were getting a vote. I never said that, and it's it.
I do believe it will hurt them, but it hurts
the American people in the meantime. Right, I rather people
be able to afford their insurance than Democrats get a
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symbolic victory. From my perspective, my priority is people not
being without healthcare, people not being you know, bankrupted by
their medical bills. That's my priority, not the Dems win one.
Perfect time to call me eight hundred and nine to
two oh, fifteen eighty. I'm dominic deprima for KVLA talk
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fifteen eighty. So apparently the Make America Healthy Again initiative
of the Health and Human Services Secretary is going to
mean that they're going to be limiting what you can
buy with your SNAP benefits. In twenty twenty five, a
bunch of states are going to limit things you can get.
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And they're claiming that they're cutting out junk food. They're
claiming that they're returning SNAP to its original purpose, which
was nutrition, meaning that you can't buy the foods the
president would eat. Nothing the president eats will now be allowable, like,
for example, in Florida, you won't be able to buy
energy drinks, candy, desserts what they calling process desserts like intimens,
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cakes and things like that. You won't be able to
get soda. It's weird to me. Also, these guys are
so hypocritical. On the one hand, I would love it
if none of us drank soda. Okay, don't get me wrong,
soda has I don't know, something ridiculous like six cups
of sugar in it for a bottle of soda will
take you ten gallons of water to wash that out
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of your system. If none of us would drink soda,
and then the diet sodas do all kinds of terrible
things to you, you know, erode your bones and all
these other things. So I would love it if we
never never drink soda. But the fact that now you're
going to put all of these restrictions on people from
what they can buy for their family. You can't get
a cake for your family. That is nanny state stuff
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that they claim they don't condone, but only condone it
for low resource people. Which is really interesting because at
the same time RFK has given the go ahead to
spray our vegetables with forever chemicals that cause birth effects,
that can cause changes to your sex organs, you know,
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and all kinds of other terrible things. They're going to
allow that stuff to start being sprayed on our nonorganic vegetables,
which means now they want to force you to eat
vegetables instead of processed foods, but they're making the vegetables
as toxic as the process foods. These people are so
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upside down, inside out and backwards. And now that as
a way of punishing snap recipients, you can't get desserts
and treats. I just I hate that, And like I said,
I wish none of us would ever drink soda. But
that's not the point. The point is you're trying to stigmatize,
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to marginalize, to police people's grocery baskets. At the same
time you want to spray our vegetables with forever chemicals
that make us have generational problems. That's not just a
problem for me that eats it, It's a problem for
the person who's giving birth in the next generation, my
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daughter and her daughter, etc. And so on. So make
America healthy again is a joke. And I think for
a lot of the holistic health care practitioner type people
people I love because I'm all into herbs and healthy
eating and working out. I'm a health enthusiast, right, And
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I don't know if I could have been on early
early morning radio for all of these years if I
wasn't a health enthusiast, because trust me, getting up at three,
three thirty four o'clock in the morning every day is
more than a notion. I love my job, but sometimes
I don't love that. And if it wasn't for eating
healthy and such, I don't think I could do it.
If it wasn't for working out, I don't think I
could have done it all these years. But a lot
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of our holistic folks felt like they were happy about
RFK because maybe he would take away forced vaccines, maybe
he would consider some kinds of herbal remedies and things,
deregulating them so that we could have less restrictions on
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ourselves as holistic practitioners. But if you are really paying attention,
how are you excited about a guy who is allowing
an administration who is allowing the return of these forever
chemicals to pesticides on the vegetables. To me, that wipes
away any positivity from any other holistic health beliefs that
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this man might have, that these people might have. And now, okay,
you want to restrict soda. It's so funny because if
Michelle Obama would have done it, their heads would have exploded.
But now they're doing it. But they're only doing it
for the poor. Because I'm willing to bet ten thousand
dollars right now that there will be no restriction on
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the President's soda and take, nor should there be. Let's
go to Fred calling us from La Good morning, Fred.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Hello Dominique. Okay, I was listening to the Sunday talk
show and the Senator Tammy duck Worthless was on and
she was talking about the Pirates of the Caribbean. And
you turned back to clock to eighteen twenty five, and
we all know the Pirates of the Caribbeans ran Rum.
And so fast forward to today. What I know this
(36:27):
is not down on Trump's position, But what makes you
think you you have a reaver? Martin her think you kid?
The US Navy and any recognized navy in the world
can't sink the Jolly Roger in the international waters.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Okay, today featuring Ted's Maga, Fred's Maga talking points of
the day. Thank you for that. Fred duck worthless, are
you now are did you make that up? Or did
you get that from the president?
Speaker 4 (36:56):
And no, I made this up. Okay, So we got
talking about he's taking pirate ships.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
No, no, no, I'm talking about Duckworth and they are
talking about that actually, because it's a terrible excuse for
what is clearly a war crime. You cannot just fire
on people, even pirate ships. Pirates have to have a trial.
You don't not get due process because you're an alleged pirate.
You don't get to steal people's oil. Who's the pirate
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in that situation. We're the ones jacking them for an
oil tanker. Wouldn't that make us the pirates?
Speaker 4 (37:30):
No, they say they're going through the oil tanker business legally.
They say they got assigned.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
What do you expect them to say, Fred, you wan't
you expect them to say, no, we're war criminals. We're
doing this illegally. Come on, now, even you wouldn't make
that argument.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
That's what people like you to keep them in check.
We'll see how that plays out. But no, let's stay
let's stay with with with the with the drug boats.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
You know, the alleged drug boats. We have seen not
one shred of proof that those are drag boats. And
the New York Times had an amazing analysis where they
actually said there were a few people on the boats
that may have been low level drug you know whatever,
carriers like mules, but that most of those people were
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fishermen or regular people who are now dead. We're up
too close to one hundred people now that we've killed,
just because the President and heg Seth, you know, oh
whiskey Pete say that they are drug boats, but there's
no proof of that. You can't just say a thing
and then kill a person.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Okay, let me, may I respond prese, fishing boats don't
have three high powered mercury engines I used to build Injines.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
You don't know what they have and what they don't have.
You don't know what they're fishing, or you don't know
where they're going. So if I have three high powered engines,
that means you can kill me and blow up my boat.
What are we talking about here, Fred, What you're saying
is basically the equivalent of Pete hag Seth can say
Fred from La is a drug dealer, so I shot
him in the head. But you don't get a chance
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to say your part. You don't get to go to court,
you get no due process. He can just shoot you
on the heads out. Well, I told you that Fred
dude was a drug dealer. What if the Left started
doing that, Fred, you'd be awfully distressed. Well, Fred is
guilty of maga talking points, slinging, he's he's he's dealing
these maga drugs. So we'll just take him out like that.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
That's not how they sin.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
And that and that's not okay either, because those are
acts of war and we are not in a war.
There is no declared war, and you cannot just kill
people without a trial like what. I don't even believe
he should kill people with a trial. But if you
at the very least, you're supposed to have your day
in court.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
So the US Navy should not in international waters use
that that that doctrine that you could think a pirate ship.
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Uh, you know what you're you're talking point? When over
my head that time, Fred, say, I hate to say it,
but say it again.
Speaker 4 (40:05):
What you're saying is any nation in the world recognized
nation cannot sink a pirate ship in international waters. Is
that what you're saying, Well.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
You cannot kill people. That's not what I'm saying. That's
what international law is saying. I'm not the arbiter of it.
You know, I didn't even know you couldn't bomb shipwrecked people,
although it makes sense, Fred. But here's the thing, No
capture them. Were the US army. We spend all more
money than anybody in the world on military So why
(40:38):
don't you use some of that and capture these alleged
boats and then put them on trial and then prove it.
You must sink the Jolly Roger. You must sink the
talking points, Fred, Fred, Fred, And by the way, Representative
Duckworth served our country, Okay, so you know you could
(41:01):
show some respect. I don't you know. You might not
agree with her politically, but just you don't have to
disparage our troops. Senator Duckworth has paid more dues than
your president. I don't know about you, Fred, Maybe you served,
I don't know, but I know for sure that Tammy
(41:21):
Duckworth did. And so for you to call her worthless
when she's given more to this country in terms of
service and risking her own life than the President of
the United States. Is nasty work, News, traffic and sports
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