Ep. 64: The Book of Flag Revelation w/ Christopher Maddish

Divine Providence has struck the studio this week, as we have author- and editor-extraordinaire Christopher Maddish here to talk all about his new book, The Flag Revelation! We spend a short amount of time quibbling over whether it's providence or synchronicity that lead a lot of U.S. state flags to look similar (and not just the S.O.B.s you're thinking of, trust me). But Chris isn't just here to talk about the book--he's got a LOT of design ideas for folks born abroad, for lesser-known holidays, you name it.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
We've got theos and a few margin matters. You might
even get to standards and what they're represented to. Just
take my voices handall try to under standard this maxill
logic podcast, Cular Flatfook Counts, Flag Food.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Counts, What's Up Backsaids, and Welcome to episode sixty four
of Flag for Content. It's the only flag podcast that
is definitely keeping the flags at half staff on Inauguration Day.
There used to be fucking rules in this country, huh

(00:46):
days of the past. Anyway, it is also a Flags
for Good podcast, which I mention every week. But now
more than ever can you buy Greenland, Panama Mexico flags there?
I think you could already buy Panama in Mexico, but
you can now buy the Greenland flag on flagsfrogod dot com,

(01:09):
slash flagged for content or like the number, And when
you buy any of those flags or none of those
flags just another flag of your choosing, you can put
in code flagged four content flagged for like the number
content at checkout and help yourself and the show out
at the same time. Not a whole lot to get into,

(01:31):
other than I do apologize for this episode being way
later than I meant it to be This was supposed
to be out last month. A few things came up. Uh,
you know, things come up. I'm not gonna keep making
excuses for it. Just you know, times have been tough.
It's what it is, Okay. The most important thing that

(01:52):
I did want to say on this one, in addition
to everything that I've already said, which was crazy important,
is that you can buy the book in question, the
book that we are talking about on this episode, pretty
much anywhere online. You can buy it on Amazon, you
can buy it directly from the publisher if you google.

(02:12):
And I'm not going to put the links up here
on screen because there would be too many of them.
But just Google or duc dut goo or search, you know, whatever,
you do the Flag Revelation, and you will find it.
You will probably instinctively know which places give Christopher the
most and the least money. Hent the least is Amazon.

(02:35):
But there's a lot of different ways, in a lot
of different places to buy this book. So go out
and get the book if you haven't. It was a
very interesting read. It's not my usual fare when I
go in for flag stuff, but this one, this one was.
It was different in a very fun way, like it

(02:56):
was a very light read. It was a very easy read.
It was a very oh I didn't know that read.
And yeah, like no notes other than what we discuss
on the show here, so go pick that up for sure.
I don't think there's really anything. Yeah, I got nothing
else on my list here, so we can go ahead

(03:18):
and get into the episode. This is myself talking to
Christopher Mattish, who also was on the board of or
one of the writer's editors. I don't know how he
would put it or how Vexillum puts it, but of
Vexillum the NAVA quarterly that all of us as members
get as well, so you may have read some of

(03:40):
Chris's writing and not even known it yet. Anyway, I'm
gonna stop being boring on that front. Just go ahead,
get in here. Listen to me talk to Chris about
his favorite is Overrated, Underrated, all that good stuff, and
most importantly about the book itself. Let's get into it, folks.

(04:01):
We have yet another amazing guest this week. You know
him from NAVA, you know him from The Prime Meridian Flag,
and you know him as the creator of a book
entitled The Flag Revelation. It's it's Christopher Maddy.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Howdy, howdy, how do y'all welcome? Well be bexy balls.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Dude, Howdy, howdy man? How you been?

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Yeah? What what a what a holiday? What a spirit? Yeah?
We're just what a spirit? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah? Yeah for viewers and listeners, we were recording this
like the weekend right after Thanksgiving, but you'll probably see
it in a week or so. So yeah, we're both
kind of still. I guess, like, I don't know, reeling
from the holidays and everything. How is yours?

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Oh I'm stuffed. My refrigerator is packed. I can't complain.
No drama. People were cool.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
That's good.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Actually there was a tiny bit of drum. But drama
I think is good too, because you remember those those
fun little dramas. Yeah, because it was boring and happy,
it's not not as memorable, I guess, right, right, you'd be.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Like, oh, wasn't that the Thanksgiving where nothing happened? No
one ever says that, No one ever says that. Well,
hopefully the drama was at least to a minimum. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
We irondured out quickly, so good, good, good.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah. I released the most recent episode on Thanksgiving, and
I was like, hopefully this will give people something to
listen to or watch if they need to get away
from family for a minute, or or whatever the case
may be. But anyway, hopefully everyone had a good one.
So let's go ahead, and we've got a lot to

(05:47):
talk about today, considering I read a whole book for
this episode, which is the first time I've done that.
So what is on the flagpole today? Vacksads, Well, I'll
tell you it's our usual over and underrated flags. We've
got a lot to talk about, as mentioned on Christopher's
new book, The Flag Revelation, We're gonna chat about flags

(06:11):
that don't exist but maybe should. But first, before we
get into any of that, Chris, I like to ask
my guests, what are the flag or flags that got
you into flags?

Speaker 3 (06:24):
That's easy. The South green flag as you can see
behind your head right there.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Oh this one right here, Yeah, what a little thing.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, I always saw it as a little kid. I
didn't know what it was. It was even before I
knew what flags were, right, Something about that symbol just
caught my attention.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's a good time to get
into flags, is before you knew what they were.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Well, anyway, so that was the I guess the first
flag of being printed on my subconscious and then I
ended up teaching English in Japan. I guess that's where
the Japanese flag is there, and that's where I guess
dove into vexillology. When you're like living in an international environment,
especially anyone who teaches English abroad will know this. You

(07:13):
kind of anyone who speaks English in one hundred mile radius.
You're like, oh, I know that person, I do know
where they're from.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Oh, yep, yep. Yeah, okay, So you taught English in
South Korea or in Japan, in Japan, in Japan, right,
but the South Korean flag had already drawn you in
a little bit before that, Yeah, okay, And looking at
these flags, there's a bit of I don't know, similarity

(07:39):
if you will, in them. Is there you know? Is
there any uh? And we can touch on that a
little bit more later as well. But was there something
that kind of drew you into this specific style of
flag with like a centralized element and maybe in the
case of South Korea, like a few things kind of
coming off the side. But was there something about that

(08:00):
specific design type.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Yeah, it's it's very unique. I have no relation to
South Korea or Japan. But they're just fascinating flags. More so,
I was not I don't like to put one above
the other. But there's more I guess dynamic to the
Korean flags, South Korean flag, and I just couldn't help

(08:23):
make the connection. You know, Japanese sun oh kind of
looks like the moon or not or maybe, and then
when you dive into the yin yang of it all,
it's like, oh, yeah, the yang symbol slightly has a
connection to the moon, so it's like, oh, there's that balance,
that sun and moon sort of symbolism you could draw.
It's very explicit with the Japanese flag. It's a little

(08:44):
more subtle with the I think the South Korean flag.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, I think so. Like I do remember, like as
a young vexhead, like I had no idea that I
would you know one day, Well, I had no idea
what podcasts work, because nobody did. But uh, like I
remember looking at the South Korean flag and the moment
that it clicked to me that the like opposite parts
are doing opposite things, like this one has like a

(09:09):
break in the middle of all three, that one has none,
this one has a break in the middle, this one
that's the only one that doesn't. Like I remember realizing
that as a kid and being like, oh, wow, this
is really cool because it's like, you know, it's something
that even a kid can conceptualize. It's like, oh, these
things are opposites of each other. Like I don't know
fully what that means, especially as a ten year old

(09:32):
or whatever, but like it was a cool thing to
figure out and be like, Okay, so it's kind of
like a a mirror almost like cast upon it, and
especially with the H I don't know what the symbol
is called. Is it just a yin yang or is
it It might be different in Korean.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
But yeah it is. I don't used to know off
the top of my head.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
But these are some kind of grand joke.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
Let's see. Well, I did realize though I always assumed
it was almost like what you call it the Mandela effect.
I used to think that the South Korean flag had
the counter color dots, and it wasn't until I got
into college. It's like your brain remembers it one way
and then you see like, wait, they're not there. What
happened to them?

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah? Yeah, like the cornicopia on the fruit of for
the loom logo. Yeah, that's it, which I swear was there.
That's like the one that gets me the baron stand bears. Okay, sure,
and obviously Nelson Mandela wasn't dead, but like the cornicopea
on the fruit of the loom thing that get like,
I swear that was there. I could swear to it.

(10:41):
I guess I'm wrong anyway. Whatever, All right, so we
will move on from the ones that got you into
flags again. We will touch on those later because there's
an important point that I want to make on it.
But I usually let the guest pick. Would you rather
do the overrated or underrate? First?

Speaker 3 (11:01):
All right, I'm gonna let this Andy pick overrated?

Speaker 2 (11:04):
All right? So where what is your overrated flag?

Speaker 3 (11:09):
I think that's kind of mean because I like all
flags and I don't want to step on anyone's toes.
You know, you grow up in that perspective, Oh this
is the cool flag. You like it, and I can
see that too. But for me, you really put me
on a spot for this because it was hard to
pick one and anger maybe a million people your feet
was not very happy. Right, If they ever track me down,

(11:32):
I'll be that persona non grata but I have picked
the most overrated flag is the UN flag.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
The UN flag. Okay, okay, gotcha. I was looking on
our doc and I didn't know if you were going
to do that one or the other one, and I
was gonna say, I don't think the other one has
a million people to be mad at you, but the
UN one definitely does. So all right, what is it
about the UN flag.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
Get the whole world mad at me? Now? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah? No, I mean, well yeah, almost by definition almost,
But all right, so what about the UN flag makes
it overrated? And I can, I can probably kind of imagine,
but let's go into it.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Well, it's white in that sky blue, and it's a
flag that's in the sky. I mean, skies aren't always
sky blue and white clouds all the time. I know
there's gray skies and dark skies, but it just seems,
I don't know, it needs color. Maybe a rainbow, I
don't know, a little sparkles on the side or something.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, but then it's gonna get accused of being like
a Pride.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Flag, right, maybe Olympic colors.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
No, then it's excluding other people somehow or something. Yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah, there's no quick fix. There.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
No, I don't disagree with you that it's like a
boring flag, but I think it's almost one of those
that has to necessarily be boring, like Kosovo and Cyprus,
where it's just the outline of the place and then
some stars or leaves or you know whatever, because it's like, look,
we're not taking a stance on anything here. We just

(13:21):
want you to know, like what we look like or
what the shape of our you know, organization, country whatever is.
But yeah, no, I don't disagree that it's not the
best designed flag. But I'll say this. I'll ask you this,
like if you were to redesign it, first off, would

(13:42):
you and secondly if you were, if you would any
design tips?

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Yeah, something original. Let's get those long ignored, outcast colors,
like maybe I like this background here, black and yellow,
maybe some purple, maybe some orange. Get those guys in there,
they never get a chance, okay, And that will be like, oh,
we know what it is. It's got color, it's got flash.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Right, So you want okay, I gotcha. Do you want
the UN flag to stand out and be like a
statement and also be from the eighties or something, Perhaps
let's do that, because that sounds like an incredibly loud flag,
like it sounds like the starter jacket of flags. But
I could kind of see it, like you wouldn't mistake

(14:32):
it for anything else.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah, I guess you could do dark blue and green
would work too.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Dark blue and green no, yeah, because they don't contrast.
And there's so many blue and green flags where it's
like blue is the sky and the green is the land.
Like I don't know, I wouldn't support that on the
UN one, but I just like, yeah, I mean I
agree with you because like overall the UN flag is
pretty eh.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
I just don't know what else they could do for it,
think deeply.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
And it does remind me of that flag of Antarctica
that is just like the compass or like the you know,
like it's cut up into eight's like a pizza or
something that that Antarctic flag, because there are many. But yeah,
I don't know if you could prey on the the

(15:26):
UN flag and come up with something better. I do
like more colors. I don't know, Like, yeah, it's tough
because it's also a flag that well, I guess you
don't have to get everyone to agree on they don't
necessarily need to.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
But how about a brown flag.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
I guess, like maybe just a brown flag, because brown
is like when you're painting. Brown is just if you
mix all the colors, you get brown. And unless you
have any other ideas, we can go out and move
on to the underrated flag.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Underrated flag. Yes, yes, I like the old Salvador flag
that was the inverse of basically the US or Liberian flag.
So the stripes were blue, canton was red, and it had.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
White stars, right, okay, the one with nine white stars.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah, I mean they vary, I think, but because El
Salvador's flag is good, I do like it. It like
many flag suffers from partner. Yeah, look alike, which is
I think done intentionally too. I mean they are right
that region, and that's cool, but that to take that

(16:49):
bold design and almost not necessarily mimic the US flag,
but be like almost like the how that Cuban and
Puerto Rican flags are like inverted.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Right right right? Yeah, I don't know if I had
seen this one. I yeah, I don't think I've come
across it. But this is very interesting and and exactly
like Chris described. Yeah, it's like a much smaller canton
that's a square and has nine stars pretty much, you know,
three by three in it and five blue stripes to

(17:22):
four whites. Yeah, this is not a bad looking flag.
It's obviously US inspired, but you know, quite a few
are at this point.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
So yeah, it has it like people, oh yeah, there's.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, yeah, definitely more than I want to wear it.
It's like yeah, because like the one now it looks
like I mean like yeah, like you said, like they're
all they're related for a reason because there was like
the Republic of Central America or whatever, and so now
like that one in Nicaragua and and I don't know
Honduras or whatever, a lot of them look the same,

(17:59):
like they have the same blues and the same crest
in the middle. No Honduras has those stars. But anyway,
a lot of them in that general area. Yeah, this
would make it stand out. I think it's cool. Yeah, yeah,
definitely overrated. I didn't know they had that till nineteen twelve.
What happened in nineteen twelve probably the US. Well anyway,

(18:21):
all right, cool, So anything more to go into on overrated,
underrated or you know intro flags.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Tr flags. Well, we got our honor of Thanksgiving quasi
holiday flag inspired by Peter Ornski, modified by myself, but
it just has it kind of backwards where there's a
pilgrim and a Native American arm on top instead of
being reversed as the Indian with the sword on top.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Right. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah. When we started recording, or
before we started recording, I was like, is that basically
the Massachusetts flag but different?

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (19:06):
And yeah Christopher confirmed that it is. In fact.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
The difference is I switched it up to red instead
of blue, and I got rid of the star and
put in the cross.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
No, actually, yeah, that's here's design.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
So total sense. All right. Cool, Well, let's go ahead
and head into our first ad break. When we get
back from that, we are going to go into the
bulk of the show, which is talking about Christopher's new book,
The Flag Revelation. So stay tuned for that. We will
be right back and we are back more here with

(19:52):
Christopher Mattish and we are going to get into the
bulk of the show here. So Christopher has written this book,
The Flag Revelation. It is I think part one of
a series from what I gather, and well, you know,
i'd love for you to kind of give your thesis

(20:14):
on this and just kind of give us a rundown
on what the whole book is about.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Oh, I get my elevator pitch ready, yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, yeah, Without saying elevator pitch, that is pretty much
what I was asking for.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah, bo, you should be able to sell it in
the title. So marketing came up with this gem and
I was like, Okay, sounds good. The flag revelation proof
of providence due to the mysterious and uncanny connections of
the States of America synchronicity illustrated all right, So if

(20:53):
you like flags, you like synchronicity, like history, this book's
for you. I would say it's kind of like sixteen
little books in one big book, because each chapter kind
of floats on its own. But what's it about? You
could call it an emergent pattern. From I guess more

(21:13):
academic perspective, I try to walk the middle line, try
to like because it's the book is written for like
general audiences. Yeah, people would look at this pattern and
they would think, oh, synchronicity, got it, okay whatever. The
other half might think providence, like okay, what's that?

Speaker 2 (21:31):
You know?

Speaker 3 (21:32):
You're diving sort of like the hot zone religious topic there.
I try to like hear some facts, enjoy the ride.
I kind of push one way or this way every
once in a while, but I really I try to
leave it to the reader to enjoy it nonetheless after
you read it. The bottom line is it's fun and

(21:53):
educational is my goal, you know, being a lifelong teacher,
you know, presenting this information, presenting it in a way
that's kind of fun. And when I first came up
with this pattern, like everyone who like studies flags, You're
looking at all these flags. You're like, oh, they kind
of look the same. They look at like this, and
I put them together. I'm like, wait a second, that
flag of North Carolina looks just like the Texas flag. Bingo, Okay,

(22:16):
that's one. Then they got another one, Oh, Florida Alabama. Easy.
Then a light bulb went off of my head, like
can I get every state to do this kind of
like come together and like build that visual harmony. I
didn't even know what it was at the time. I
kind of heard it in the It's the album of
the Police, Like you're just I'm just playing with my flags.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Right, Okay. I was gonna make a synchronicity joke. At
like five different points during this, so yeah, yeah, go on.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
So that was the start of it, and I was like, well,
and it led me to Nava and here we are today.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Okay, so that led you to Nava, like you weren't
even in Nava before you started kind of uh, down
this like down the road of this project, correct, gotcha? Okay? Yeah,
because yeah, I had a couple quotes that I'd highlighted
here in my book, and I mean the first one

(23:13):
basically speaks to what you already said, which is the
challenge of explaining providence to the uninitiated can be rather difficult,
as synchronicity and providence are essentially grounded in nonlinear thinking,
where logic and reason fade. So, yeah, I guess I
had not. It is a unique kind of dichotomy between

(23:34):
people that believe in providence, like oh, this was like
meant to be right, Like that's pretty much what we
get from providence and synchronicity, which is like, oh, these
things like happen to line up or whatever. Do you
tend to take a side in that argument depending on
the flags, or do you kind of leave it up

(23:54):
to the reader to take that side.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
I think the book is taking a side. He can't
get that perfect middle point. Try and try, as I
would anything, necessarily go right down to the atom and
get it perfectly, you know, he said, equal, But yeah,
diving a synchronicity too, Like synchro synchronicity officially has been

(24:23):
I think co opted by the new thought community. All
it is is a clinical term. Doctor Young was like, Okay,
my patients are acting this way because they experience two
situations that are not connected. There's no causality a chain
of events, and they're reading into it. It's all psychological, oh, emotional.
It's almost like a Pavlovian description of what's going on.

(24:45):
It's like, okay, so this what do we call this thing?
I'm going to call it synchronicity. It's a psychological term,
clinical medical establishment. People in all the PhD universe like, yeah,
we get it. He has the backing, the objective sort
of training to understand what this is. But then a
few years later it's it's just become yo, it is

(25:08):
a groovy synchsy thing. That yo. It's like, no, that
wasn't it. Its intention. It's just a clinical term, right right,
I think Whitney Smith back, Yes, yeah, synchronicity got you
and you leave it alone. But reading into it to
the sort of the emotional sort of the cosmos or
the universe talking to you, that's like the next level
I think where most of the synchronicity people are at.

(25:30):
I go to their rooms and then they're like, it's like, huh.
I'm like, do you remember what this term originally meant?
I mean, I see why they're doing it totally, but
it's interesting and interesting crowd.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Did I answer your question level?

Speaker 2 (25:50):
I think so. It's it's a tough question to answer,
but I mean you answered it pretty much up top
with like kind of the way that you approached it
in the first place, which is kind of what I
was trying to get at and if I could, and
I don't know if you would agree that this was
your thesis, but one of the other things that I
had highlighted as what I kind of took away from

(26:15):
the book as your thesis was that each state has
what is hereby coined, a fraternal flag partner. And now
that's just like a sentence fragment from the intro, but
I think that kind of leads into what the rest
of the book is about. They each have a fraternal
flag partner, and then it's your job as the author

(26:35):
to go into those and explain why. So I'd love
to get into a pair of them. Is there any
pair that you feel strongly about, Like you've got Oregon
in Nebraska, We've got Connecticut and vermont one of the

(26:56):
more one of the ones. I was more taken with
Montana in Kansas, as well as Wisconsin and Maine. Like
you kind of bring in the elements of the flag
with elements of the state and say like, Okay, these
things are similar in these two states. These things are

(27:16):
similar in these two flags, and it's not an accident
more or less, but it is but it isn't or well, well, yeah,
exactly exactly it is, but it isn't yeah, which is yeah,
the whole thesis. But are are there any specific ones
that you would like to get into?

Speaker 3 (27:34):
I guess you'd say when I was writing one of
my favorite chapters, because it's like the creative process. I mean,
I've been blogging and you know, a little posts here,
getting my writer skills, just to get that whatever that
creative juice is. But but then when you go writing
a book, it's like a whole whoa it's like a

(27:56):
lot heavier. It's like it's as serious now and you
got to dig a little deeper, and it's almost like
you go in a different realm of your consciousness and
you're like listening, trying to get everything sorted.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
And the real coolest chapter when I was writing it,
I kind of fell in love with was the Organ
and Nebraska chapter. I was just like, wow, this is
it was almost writing itself. When you hear writers say this, Oh,
it's it's I'm not I'm just letting this flow through
me or whatever.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Creative Oregon and Nebraska, Yes, okay, And of.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Course Oregon is a special state. It has two partners
and it's two faced. But that's interesting. I guess favorite. Yeah,
they're all I guess we could do Montana, Kansas is fine,
that's cool, and maybe the first one in Pennsylvania Michigan.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
I guess which one do you feel? Well? Which one
do you want to talk about them?

Speaker 3 (28:58):
AUSTRALI Actually before we go there, I got a little
experiment here. Okay, you were hinting at it and describing
the book. It's like the flags are sort of like
the key that like the synchronicity that's the initial contact
between the two states is okay, similar flags, that is
the surface key that kind of unlocks all these you

(29:19):
could say hidden synchronicities. Are these weird things kind of
resonating with each other. That being said, some people look
at the book, Oh, it's just another flag book. Come on,
you know that's been done. We already have that information
of when it was created and who did this. Why
do I need another flag book when I'm pushing my
flag or giving my elevator pitch. Then I realized, well,

(29:42):
it's more like history too. And honestly, the percentage of
it being about flags is what do you think is it?
Fifty percent flag, ten percent? Five percent? I got it
written down what I think it is. And let's see
if we can match the percentages of actual vexological content
versus all the other stuff. That's okay, so my number

(30:06):
is right here. Let's see. Oh what did I give
it away?

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Oh? If you did, I wasn't looking, okay, of the
actual flag stuff.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Yeah, it's actual vexological community, like oh yeah, with the flags.
I want to about flags like flag nuts. I want
I want the flag content.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
You know.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
The other stuff is kind of cool, but flags, flags,
flags is the key.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Probably like fifteen percent something somewhere.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Oh I put down ten percent, ten percent.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, yeah, somewhere like in the ten yeah, ten to
fifteen range. That makes sense because yeah, most of what
you're talking about in the book is, well you're talking
about things on the flag, but you're talking about like
the things that make these places similar or in fact
different in some cases, right as they relate back to

(31:03):
a flag, but the flag, the flags themselves are mentioned about. Yeah,
probably ten percent as often as the similarities and differences are.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Yeah. Actually, it's just like the Korean flag over there.
So the four tetra diagrams, sometimes they're aligned in opposition.
Sometimes there's like this really groovy similarity. So it's like
the four seasons, the four sort of elements kind of thing. Yeah,
there's always this sort of dynamic Okay. Sometimes they match
in a in a poignant way. Sometimes they're complete kind

(31:36):
of the other direction kind of way. That's I guess
that explains why the South Korean flag was the first
to be imprinted in my mind.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
I guess, yeah, probably all right, So like let's go
into one though, let's honestly all right, I think a
good one to go into that is in this book
is Michigan Pennsylvania. I think a lot of people are

(32:06):
well one, it's I think the first chapter or the
first after the entry. But two, I think a lot
of our viewers and listeners are familiar with the Pennsylvania
flag due to past guest teristoric and uh just you know,
there's a lot of talk like Nava fifty eight was

(32:27):
up there or fifty seven rather was up there. So yeah,
so take us through what you're thinking when you're talking
about Michigan's flag and Pennsylvania's flag and how those are linked.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
All right, Well, first you gotta look at it right there,
that help bing bang bong very similar, right, get real
close to the camera.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Well, that being said, you probably getta better get it
screenshot of that. Yeah. Out of all the the major
league blue flags, there's like this that dichotomy again, that
sort of domesticated horses versus the wild elk and moose.

(33:17):
So it's like, okay with similar stands. It's it's very
subtle too, Like if you weren't when I first was
playing with my flags, like making these connections or whatever,
it's like, oh, they all look alike, like you. But
when you become like a connoisseur like a wine or music,
you start to oh, wait, wait a second, there's something here,
there's something different you wouldn't necessarily notice on that sort

(33:39):
of surface level impression, right, And then I can't just
you know, I'm like, wow, Michigan's flag, it's just kind
of like the most like Pennsylvania's or which way you
want to go? And then finding all these like other
connections and just meditating on it over and over again.

(34:02):
But the real key that kind of like you get.
When I was writing this book, I had a lot
of Eureka moments whenever I would find like a synchronicity,
just like my brain just went, whoa, you know, write
that down like almost a good idea you want to
don't forget about it, that kind of experience.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Right, right.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
And I know that Liberty Bell is so such an
important icon for the United States. It's related, and it's
an icon of Philadelphia of Pennsylvania especially, and you know
everyone's like, oh yeah, Liberty Bell, They're all they're all
loving it. But you dive deeper into it, Okay, it's
quitting this part of the Old Testament. Cool, awesome to
get it, and it's then you then there's that initial synchronosity.

(34:42):
Why is it so famous? And then you look into
how like it's related. It became the liberty bell because
that crack kind of represented the situation in the United
States at the time where it's half slave, half free
and there's the liberty bell and it's got a crack
on it it says liberty. It's like, whoa. I'm sure
that in and of itself is synchronicity. People in the

(35:04):
time wouldn't call it synchronicity because that term hadn't been
yet invented, but they're they're just seeing this random crack
and a bell the police have liberty on it, and
it's like in the the Abolition Society said we got
to use this as our icon. This is America, this
is YadA, YadA, YadA, And that's kind of like people
back then wouldn't necessarily call it synchronicity. I think they

(35:26):
would use the term providence. I would assume looking through
some of the literature, they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, this
is this, this is our symbol, this is our icon
until you know, we got to get rid of it
is yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
So that's part of how you rectify synchronicity and providence too,
is like kind of going through the eras and what
people would have called ye different things like yeah because yeah, no,
that makes logical sense to me. Okay, sure, okay, so yeah,
continue on. So Pennsylvania and Michigan, yes.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yeah, this is like the like chiming in my brain moment.
And then of course in Michigan they got an icon too.
It's really famous in Michigan, especially Detroit kind of say
represents Detroit more so than say the rest of the safe.
But everyone in Detroit loves this icon for whatever reason. Again,
it quotes has liberty on it, but it's from I
guess the New Testament. I'm like, oh, there you go,

(36:19):
there's a match bing bang, you know the uh they
just just and they happen to have the same flag,
so that that upper synchronicity of the flag is looking alike.
And then I don't know if you want to call
it collective consciousness or people just if that statue would
have went to Ohio somewhere, like I don't know, Columbus, Ohio,
it wouldn't have the same impact on you know, that

(36:42):
matching or even Illinois, New York, New Jersey, but it
happened to just be synchronized again to that secondary layer
of concord between Pennsylvania and Michigan.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Wait, which statue in Michigan.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Yeah, it's called the Spirit of Detroit. Wait, oh oh
oh okay, yeah, yeah, it quotes.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
I was gonna say, it's not one of the parts
that I have highlighted, but I do remember reading that.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Yeah, So those two icons of liberty bell from Pennsylvania
and it was made overseas in Europe. And then you
got Spirit of Detroit again, that was made overseas in
Europe too, right, And they both have that quotation of
liberty from the old and the new, and Pennsylvania is
the older state and Michigan is the newer state. And

(37:38):
Philadelphia and Detroit have There's very few cities that kind
of like match up on their like demographics and sort
of like feel and personality. I mean, each city has
its own flavored sure, and Philly they got that that
that the same dynamic kind of blessings and burdens and
all the suburbans and then the inner city the music
type phenotype.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
You could argue, Yeah, I've never been to Detroit, so
I have no idea. But I'll take your word for
it on that one. But I noticed like one of
the other things you said, like because you list a
lot of similarities in the book about them, And one
of the other ones was that Pennsylvania and Michigan are

(38:20):
two of the few states that were invaded and had
their original capital capital cities occupied by Britain. Yeah, Philly
was occupied, which had been the capital at that point,
and I think, uh, well, yeah, in eighteen twelve, the
British took Detroit or whatever it was called that. Yeah, okay, yeah, Detroit,

(38:45):
I'm gonna say for something. But yeah, so there are
there are a lot of similarities between the flags and
the states. But I'm not gonna lie. Sometimes it feels
like a little bit of a stretch reaching. Yeah, it
feels like a little bit of reaching to get to

(39:08):
some of the points. And like I understand how that
could come come about, because like it's the difference between
seeing providence and synchronicity or or whatever you want to
call that. But yeah, like I guess, like I'm wondering,
like in your like your theory, your thesis here and everything,

(39:31):
like these state flags have a lot in common. These
states have a lot in common. But do you think
there's anything deeper at work there or do you think
that these are grand coincidences?

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Oh, Man, as Oper said, there are no coincidences. Huh, yeah,
that's uh the philosophical debate. It's almost like you can
is there a power there? I guess.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, is there something that you see that kind of
links them together in a greater way other than a flag?
And in some cases, like some some instances of shared.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
History, Yeah, shared history. There's people culture, you know, I
don't know. I mean again, going back to doctor Young,
he talks about consciousness, the collective consciousness. I guess you know,
it's almost like ideas kind of spread and there's like
an intangible spirit of things, not necessarily religious, but people

(40:39):
can sense that during the holiday seasons, like oh you
can feel it. Yeah, you know, Christmas, Thanksgiving, whatever, New
Year's Halloween. It's like, okay, you tune into the culture.
Is that us? The culture tuning into us? Is that
all just everyone collectively celebrating that or the spirit of
your team the Eagles. There's a spirit there's like people

(41:02):
tune into that. Being states and the situation of it all.
I try not to go super deep into that because
it's like there's no like clear cut, objective answer to that.
But in the end, this is I would say something interesting.

(41:24):
I mean in the Declaration of Independence, I remember or
I think that's it. The last line they mentioned providence
and I was like, what is that?

Speaker 2 (41:31):
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Things just work out? And then I would learn, oh,
is there a difference between divine providence just plain old
providence and do like a George Carlon routine on this
and he'd be like, what are these people talking about?

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Right?

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Oh, so this happens and I can screwteze people over. Okay,
it's all right. I was just like, it gets a
little scary too, because they did, I think, used that
in some manner with the when the Native Americans are
passing away, they're like, oh, they're dying, that's providential. We
need to take their land out, Like, oh, we know,
that's where do you take that information? It gets yeah, right,
you're getting into like like this is a deep zone

(42:06):
that people are going to really misintrip it the wrong
way or right way. It's just like I don't want
to go there or to make a fun book. It's educational.
The key synchronosities are the flags. You can learn about flags,
and then everything that I write is kind of a
reflection of that. I try to find anything that matches
up aligns with that sort of synchronicity.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Here you go.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
It's a new way to look through history, right right, yeah,
so you can do the traditional linear way fact year
you know the fact that that's cool and this is
kind of like a nonlinear, kind of a fun way
of doing it. It does get deep at times, I
know in the book, but it's just like it was
like the book taking me over. I'm like, okay, you

(42:50):
want to want me to write this. I'm like, okay,
it doesn't make any sense to me, but it seems
to have that rhythm reflecting back again, all because of
the flags. Yeah yeah, that's the tempo of how the
flags are presented.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Right, No, yeah, I definitely appreciated that about it, and
like it was written in a way that like, so
I will admit that I'm not super like, uh, I
believe in very few things, and you know, providence, synchronicity,
et cetera like are sometimes among them, sometimes not. But

(43:27):
I will say that like, like my main point is this,
like even as kind of I guess what I would
call like a skeptic on a lot of levels as
far as stuff like that goes. I had a really
good time reading this book just to kind of understand
both the symbols on the flags and why they're there

(43:50):
in the first place, and that, Okay, these states may
actually be more related than I thought. Like, I don't
know that I necessarily believe in some divine providence, and
I'm not saying that you necessarily do either, but in
making these flags look similar, et cetera. But I will

(44:13):
say that I learned a hell of a lot from
this book, both like oh shit, I didn't know that
person was from there and did this thing, and like, oh,
that's actually represented on the flag for this reason, et cetera,
et cetera. Uh So, yeah, like I don't know where
I come away on, you know, the synchronicities exactly. I

(44:39):
won't lie, but I will say it's a very enjoyable
read if you want to learn about states and state
flags and honestly just like state history and then you
kind of like go and make your own decision from there.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Yeah, I don't. I got a question, Okay, sure, do
you catch all the star Wars Star Trek kind of
references sprinkled about.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
I got a few. I think I even highlighted a
I should have highlighted them in like a different color.
But yeah, no, I know I did catch a few.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
It's written by Generation X. Hopefully that came through.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
It's like, yeah, no, that did come through. That did
come through. Yeah no, there were a few, a few
beautiful ones in there. I can't remember them right now,
but yeah no. I thought it was a really interesting read.
A lot of things that I had not thought about,
like places and people that we're closer together, both in

(45:38):
in place and in history. I guess than I maybe appreciated.
And I mean like in a lot of cases like
and I gather. Okay, So before moving on too much,
So this is a vast armada of navy Blue is
part one, and then there's part two, a balance between

(46:01):
dark and light forces or a dark and light force.
But it looks like you have plans to write further
books in this series. Is that correct? Okay? Because yeah,
the ones you've got on the cover are these that
the viewers can see here? But I imagine, well, are

(46:22):
you able to give us any kind of preview on
what other ones you may compare or is that kind
of a secret for now?

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Now it's out there. I mean all the ground primary
footage has been captured. Let's put it that way. Okay,
go movie. So at this point it's just polishing up editing.
You spend hours and hours, oh my god, reading and reading.
It's like you see that trope when they're in the
studio singing that song over and over again, Like don't
you get sick of that song? After the fiftieth time,

(46:52):
You're like, yeah, you do, you do? You want to
like quick thing, I'm tired of it.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Then you take a day off and like, okay, I
can do again again. Fix it. Yeah, but let's see, Yeah,
there's some new stuff like this one concentrates on I
guess northern states, right, Okay, the next one will be
southern states for the most but finish all those empty

(47:20):
the ones on the cover, especially because.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
So there's just gonna say because a lot a few
of the ones on the cover aren't aren't in the
book yet.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
But yeah, right, I did make sure I made a
little bit of reference. So, I mean, it is a
marketing thing. They decided you need to let people see it.
It grabs their attention, like okay, and I have one
of two lines on each state in that kind of
like getting you ready for the next one. So it
was I I've gotten some flag for that. The flags

(47:48):
that are on the cover are not in the book, Like, yeah,
you're right, you're right. Yeah, well just wait, just wait,
it's coming, right, get you ready, build up anticipation if
it cuts there, yeah, it does. Also, I guess break
the fourth or fifth wall like that one chapter. I
want to give it away. It's not your traditional reference
book where I kind of not necessarily go off the wheels.

(48:11):
I think it's chapter eleven that's.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
I vaguely remember.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Yeah, well, I think something about maybe time travel. I
mean high school dudes.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Is that the one with.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
No Keanu Reeves, let's put it that way. Yeah, George Carlin,
they somehow made an appearance. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Yeah, who knows.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Yeah, but I want to ask you one thing. Yeah,
the whole like when you get to the core of
the book, its message. It's almost like the movie Pulp Fiction.
If you remember in the scene Samuel Jack, did you
see Pulp Fiction?

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Yeah, I don't remember a gimp in this book though.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
No, there's a scene where Samuel Jackson and John true
Alt the guy comes out of the bathroom and starts
shooting at the bank. Bank bang, bang bang, and then
they have that that theme debate. Samuel Jackson like, whoa,
the hand of God came down and moved those bullets,
and John Travo is like, wo not lucky, and that's
kind of like that's a good There's no you're gonna

(49:19):
be like, Okay, how did we not get hit by
those bullets? One person's gonna see it this way, something
magical happened that can't be explained, and the other perspective
is just got lucky. It's just a statistical anomaly, that's
all it is. And that's kind of like a thematic
if that's I try to keep it open and ended

(49:42):
like that.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
No, exactly, that's a good like, that's an excellent like,
uh dichotomy, that's a good way to put it. Yeah,
for sure, Yeah, because you're not exactly You're not saying that, Hey,
this flag is related to this flag, and here is
why you're saying. All right, So there happened to be
a lot of similarities between these flags, and there happened

(50:04):
to be a lot of similarities in these directions between
these states, you know, and and kind of let the
reader do the rest as it were, right, Yeah, And
I appreciated that because I don't like books that just
tell me what to think, so, you know, I like
ones that kind of leave it up to me to
make my decision. And honestly, like throughout the chat because

(50:26):
each chapter for the listeners and viewers, each chapter is
about two flags. And there were some that like, some
that hit me and some that didn't like. There were
some that I was like, Okay, all right, there's definitely
something to this, and some that I was like, this
seems like a little bit of a stretch, And I
imagine most readers are going to have that, but that's

(50:49):
probably not, you know, not the worst thing. You kind
of almost want that because it gets people engaged. So
all right, so that is the flag revelation. We may
have a little bit more on that, but mostly we're
gonna have a few kind of different ideas from Chris
when we get back from this break sticker at all right,

(51:26):
and we are back part three more with Christopher Mattish
And yeah, Chris, you've got a lot of other interesting
stuff to show us. You have so many designs. We've
gone into you discussing other designs, but let's talk about
some of yours.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Yeah, so designing flags is a cool thing. Apparently it's
not officially of exillology, but it's like it's activity according
to the the letter of the law of exolology. But
I love designing flags. It was almost like when I
dove into this area, it kind of just became what

(52:07):
you have to do for It was like it was
not my intention. My intention was this pattern I recognize
and see what it would take me. But through the
process design flags, I think is a really cool idea
because it kind of immerses you in making flags and
understanding them a little better. I love when people design flags,
but my difference is I like to design flags that
are that haven't been designed before. Necessarily redesigning flags. I

(52:32):
get it, some of the designs are not necessarily inspiring
with their little confusing. I guess it is a better word, right,
politically correct. But when I design a flag, I like
to design flags for new and original concepts. So the
flags I think I'm the first person to design. Being

(52:53):
first is kind of cool. Doesn't mean you're the best either.
Just being first is nice, but it doesn't necessarily mean
it'll last, right, sure, But the first one I'm going
to show you is the a flag chart for Americans
born overseas. Okay, all right, there it is.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
All right, so right, all right, And these are all
ones that you came up with, right, gotcha?

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Do you have any questions.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
To me?

Speaker 3 (53:29):
It's obvious what they represent. But some people are looking
at this and are like, what what is this? Kind
of why would you do this?

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Okay? So yeah, well, I mean so for the there
are a lot of people that just listen to this
too and don't watch. So I'll describe. So, the born
in North America one looks a lot like the US flag.
The canton is a little bit more squared, I think, yeah,
maybe not, maybe not, it's not a square, but in

(53:58):
any case, it looks like it has what thirteen stars
in a circle, but the canton is red, the stripes
are blue and white. And then yeah, so like a
Betsy Ross flag with the blue and red inverted.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
The born in Asia, Africa, and Europe ones are all
fairly similar. The Asia one has a blue field with
that same red canton with thirteen stars in a circle,
but a white stripe off toward the fly not quite
like Tennessee's flag, but toward it. Born in Africa is
the same, but exchange the red and white. It looks

(54:36):
a little bit like Burma's old flag or the Born
in Europe one. Yeah. I don't know, this might be
getting boring with me describing all them, but yeah, it's
got the blue canton with the stars in white field
red flyside element. Yeah, can you Okay, so why did

(55:01):
you pick those three for born in Asia, Africa, and Europe?

Speaker 3 (55:04):
First off, Well, because they represent that the Old World
hemisphere of the patterns of it. So you're like, together, okay,
you're born the Old World, which is Asia after Europe.
It kind of like clues you into part of that family.
Everything has that red, white and blue theme. So it's
kind of American. I mean, you would look at it like, okay,

(55:25):
I can see something of America, but kinda put them
in those generic sort of slots. Yeah, and of course
South America and Australia are well. South America is kind
of on the cusp, but they're in the southern hemisphere.
So I reversed it the canton with the stars, you know,

(55:46):
so it looks like the Eastern flag, especially the born
in Australia, Pacific right, North America. Anyone born in Canada, Mexico,
Puerto Rican, well, Lincoln, they already have their flag. This
happens to people who just happened to be born in
other countries. The parents are American citizens, or maybe they
later became American citizens, their families are in the military

(56:07):
serving you know, in some Cuba perhaps or something like that.
So it's not necessarily reflecting that region, but it's like
it says an ethic connection to necessarily there's a lot
of people, I guess European background, were in the US
military and they have children born in Asia. Not necessarily Asia,

(56:29):
but it could also represent people who were born in
Asia and later became American citizens. So it's almost like
a placeholder. And the reason why I came up with
these flags is it every once in an other was
like a flag think children would do in a primary school,
like quite the flag you were born in. All the students,
of course born in the United States would find the

(56:50):
flag they were born in. Most of the region they're from,
there's always a few students who are like, well, I
wasn't born in the USA but I'm American.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
What do I do?

Speaker 3 (56:58):
I'm like, well, where were you born? Was born in France?
They're like, well, I'm not French either. It's like what
do you do with that person? You know, so you
want to get like an equivalent sort of level flag
that kind of represents that region. Okay, so you're born
in Europe, you can use this flag then, I mean.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Like yeah, yeah, no, no, it's reminding me of like
the was it the flag of like Acadia, Like not Acadiana,
but like the it's basically the French flag with a
yellow five pointed star in Canton and it's you know, yeah,
it's you're clearly French, but you were born or or

(57:39):
have historic ties to you know, I guess Northeast or
Southeast Canada. I guess in that case. But yeah, okay,
so these are kind of like expatriot like designed for
like X not even expatriots really, yeah, I mean, I

(58:00):
guess as listed just American citizens that were born abroad
but still have a strong sense of American citizenship. Is
that kind of the gist?

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Yeah, well, yeah, just the equivalent placeholder for like it,
they they're equivalent to the States, but they're not States, right, right, right,
we just used the American Most people say, oh, just
use the American flag, but if you want to get
a little more definition, right, like, Okay, I was born
in South America, but I have no ancestry or roots
or any kind of connection to South America. My parents

(58:33):
just happen to be there. You could use this flag.
And it's also for people who were grew up in Southwark.
I said this, I'm moving up north. I'm going to
use this flag to represent that I'm an American.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Now.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
I mean I still have a connection to that country
that came from, but this is representing that kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Yeah, yeah, no, I really like this. Did this I
do want to ask, just since you showed me the
other one earlier, do you did this kind of spring
from that old El Salvador flag, because that looks a
bit like the born in North America one. Yes, I
was wondering if that was kind of like the genesis
for the idea or anything.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
No, that's again, that's a synchronicity.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
But there we go.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Maybe there is a connection. It's hmm, maybe we can
spur on El Salvador to change their flag, I mean hopefully, Yeah,
whatever they did it's there.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
I don't want to Yeah, yeah, sure, but I do
like The only one we haven't gone over is for
listeners anyway, is the born in Antarctica one, which is
more or less a Nordic cross with a blue canton
with the kind of Betsy Ross circle of stars, and
then three stars, one in each of the other three divisions.

(59:56):
I'm not sure exactly what those represent.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
I would imagine it's some con but yes, it's the
southern constellation OCTMS, the octant.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Okay, yeah, totally, that one that we all know and love.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Yeah, so I'm not sure if anyone a person who's
born in Antarctica either was a US citizen my parents
or later became one. Hasn't happened yet. But again that's
that forward future thinking kind of like, oh, that's designed
this flag hasn't happened yet.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Why not I yeah, exactly, Yeah, Yeah. There's a lot
of flags that are designed for things that haven't happened yet,
but but are great designs, and I think, honestly, that's
one of them. I think that might be my favorite
of your ones here on the screen right now. But
everyone knows that I'm pretty sympathetic to a Scandinavian Cross,

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so maybe a low bar but yeah, but no, I
like a lot of these. The Australia, Pacific, Ocean, Oceania
one reminds me of Cook Islands a little bit mm hmm,
other than obviously it's got the just bars there instead
of the Union Jack. But yeah, that Antarctica one is

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is special. I like that one, all right. So you
have a few other ones like yeah, for viewers and listeners.
Christopher and I have been trying to set this episode
up for months on months, and he has sent me someones,
like you had someones for Pie Day, you had someones
for god, I don't even remember what else. But as

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you mentioned, you were an expert at coming up with
flags for things that don't have a flag yet, which
I think is one a very cool idea and two
that you're very good at. So do you want to
share like I don't know, like, do you have another
one that you could share with us?

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Well, yeah, since we're on this topic, I can do
one more. This was actually presented in Nava, Quebec. I
was able to present maybe, uh might get me in
trouble here because it's a room. A little controversy is
fun right, I won't tell if you don't, Okay, I

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can get that up here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
It's only a few hundred people that watched this.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
I guess that the only reason why I'm entitled to
do this is my x step mother was French Canadian,
wonderful person.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Yeah. Yeah, as long as she's your ex stepmother, I
think you're allowed to do whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
And my yeah, my ex stepsisters. I wonder what they're
doing these days. I'm sure people have those complicated relationships.
But this one I took the opposite angle. I think
the icon for Canada is the maple leaf. It just
speaks intuitively.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
So yeah, we're this one really quick to listeners.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Just about the black chart Foradians born abroad, right, So
it's the same thing. But there's lots of Canadians who
were not born in Canada. Right, And if they ever
wanted an equivalent flag, say, when they do that, oh
which region are you from? Which province or territory? Everyone

(01:03:18):
gets a flag? Oh yeah, I got this one. What
do all the other Canadians do who were born outside
of Canada? Just give them the national flag? I mean
that makes sense, but you want like a subnational sort
of equivalent to match that the other cool flags of
Canada and you know, like Manitoba, but in this case
this is kind of the rank where they are. And

(01:03:39):
again it's the same thing, just divided into regions Asian,
North America, Africa, Europe. So any Canadians who happen to
be born in Europe were originally or perhaps they were
German and later emigrated to Canada. King Canadian would use
that flag as the subnational equivalent.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Okay, is the Europe one based on an older friend
flag with flirtally.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
Yeah, I think that's definitely the influence there. I think
the pattern might be upward backwards, but really.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
I was gonna say because I thought that you were on. Yeah,
the Africa one is I think the most obvious. It's
the like for listeners, picture the like Pan African flag
of green, black, red, but it's been made into a
Canadian pale and there is a yellow maple leaf in

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the middle of the black right section that middle.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Yeah, that's the one Elon Musk would use. I think
he has triple citizenships South Africa, Canada, and the USA.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Can we revoke all of them? Can he just go
to Mars just be a mark like whatever, anyway, the
North American one I am confused about because it looks
a lot like latviah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Yeah, well these are any Americans. Well yeah, it does,
it does, but it is red. It's the slide in
a different ratio. I originally had the red bait beliefs
in the center, almost like a pattern. I was like, eh,
I just keep it all right. So anyone from who
was born in the US, like Max Headroom, he's a

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big popular star, was actually born in Washington, d C.
But he's Canadian, so I think, and there's a few
other I don't know people like that. I think, can
you think. I think he's probably the most popular Canadian
born in the USA. Didn't necessarily convert to become Canadian

(01:05:42):
or change his citizenship or get dual citizenship. It was
always a Canadian, and I don't think he ever went
after his US citizenship. Check me, Wikipedia, Internet, people.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Wait, who Max Headroom, the guy who did that the
actor did the stunt like on Live TV and everything
where he came in and.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
Was like, we got to look that one up.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Yeah he was.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
He's a Canadian born in Washington, d C.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
I didn't know that. Yeah, our younger listeners can look up.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
So for him when he's hanging out with this Canadian pals,
he's like, why wasn't born in the provinces or territory.
I've always been Canadian. My parents are Canadian. So I
get to use this one to match you guys born
in the Giordland.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Right, the Oceanian one, I get the Antarctica one. I
get to be honest, what's the like, what did you
draw on for the Asia one?

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
I just just how diverse the regions are. There's East Asia,
South Asia, North Asia. They sort of in West Asia
try to agglamorate it before you could theoretically say the
four main regions of Asia. There's East Southwest, and I
guess the other part that people kind of wherever.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
East Southwest and Russia. Yeah yeah, okay, yeah, I can
see that. I can definitely take I mean, the bottom
left looks like Bangladesh a little bit. Top left could
be China or could have been the USSR. The orange

(01:07:24):
colors are more like what like kind of seek like,
I don't know, South Asian a little bit. And then
the yellow green. Yeah, I guess the yellow green could
be kind of I don't know exactly, but.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
A little bit of the east in that central area
that's kind of ill defined. Yeah yeah, okay, say they
like that green colors Asiki Pakistan, right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Okay, yeah, the steps and all that. Okay, So we've
got a flag chart for Americans born abroad, one for
Canadian born abroad. You got like one third one for
us to to digest here, Nope, the.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
Ones I'd like to show you. I get that of
this category. I think we're good. I got some other
flags lined.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Up, Okay, yeah, let's do Let's do one more and
then the rest will have to say for the Patreon I.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
Think okay, yes, when to go for the pie flags?

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Oh yeah, definitely, Okay. Yeah. My friends were getting married
on Pie Day on March fourteen, and I let Chris
know that and everything, and he was like, oh, I've
got some pie flags that I'm made up that I
can send to you for Pie Day. And I was like,

(01:08:53):
I had never even really like cared about Pie Day.
Not a big you know, a math guy, but not
that you need to be, I guess. But all right,
so uh, and again keep in mind there are listeners here,
so if you want to try and explain these things.

(01:09:14):
The one on the right's easier and the one on
the left.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
So these are the if you google a pie flag,
the most obvious, surface level thing to do, which is
fine and okay, there's nothing wrong with that. I totally
respect that. You don't want to go too deep. You
get the letter pie. It's obvious. It's straight to the point.
You got it, pie day. Pie flag got you in
different colors of permutations. I think it also means certain

(01:09:40):
meanings to fraternities, you know, culture or this and that.
But I took it to the of course, I got
to complicate things. I think it's the next level down.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
I think it's the polyamory flag, is what they.

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Related to pie. I wonder how that connection started.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
They both start.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
Why not the square root symbol or something pie symbol.
I'm sure there's a really good story behind that. I
would love to hear, no idea, but anyways, So I
took the maritime flags and combine them. On one side,
there's like the International maritime signal flags that represent numbers.

(01:10:24):
On the other side are the NATO numerical flags. When
you combine them again, this is a perfect synchronicity. It's
just a coincidence. Maybe if you're a pie if you
belong to the Church of Biology, you might be more
interested than most people. But what happens is it creates
a pie coincidentally on both of them. So you take

(01:10:45):
the number three, it looks like the French flag, and
then number one looks like the Japanese flag, and the
number four looks like the Danish flag. When you combine them,
it makes a little I guess a little quartered pizza
pie or some sort of pie. Yeah, you see it,
and the ratio is too one one is within the other.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Making crosshair.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, cross Exactly. The same thing happens with
the NATO pie flags. You got the red I mean
the blue red blue horizontal try bar or the number three.
It's easy because it's one, two, three, and it's very distinct.
There are three, I like the NATO number three. Number
two looks kind of like the Spanish flag by Spain

(01:11:30):
without the coat of arms. And again you got to
cut it up a little bit because it's representing a
ratio now so it doesn't get full expression or in
the backgrounds you're going towards the center. And then again
the number four is I guess, how can we say,
it looks like a red Scottish flag.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Yeah, like a reverse Alabama but.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
With yeah, reverse Alabama or verse Florida whatever that makes
another pie. And the NATO flag has that same sort
of circular X too, an official NATO flag. Again, those
are all just cosmic coincidences, right right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
I'm getting what you mean when you say stuff like that.
I mean, not that I didn't, but yeah, yeah, yeah,
these pipe flies are amazing. I know which one I prefer.
It'd be the International Maritime one, just because I think
it's more simple. Uh yeah, but I don't know. I mean, well,

(01:12:29):
although I'll say this, which one would I remember more?
It'd probably be the NATO one. Yeah, like I'd remember
that one more because that like diamond pattern, it's almost
like a Brazilian Uh it's not, but it you know,
it's reminiscence, that kind of like middle rhombush. The word
rhombus has come up on this show a lot. But yeah,

(01:12:51):
that one's more memorable. The other one looks like a
reverse French flag with like some kind of elements, and
all French flags with an element have been a good thing.
So yeah, that one's a little trickier, I guess, But yeah,
I mean I just I love the concept of these
pie flags, like three, one, four. I mean, it's nothing

(01:13:13):
that I would have never in a million years.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
Thought of this.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Don't where do you get the idea to even do
a pie flag. You just look at like they what
day is it today, and you're like, oh, I'll do
one for that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Yeah. No, I think it was pie Day and I
was studying the maritime flags. It's almost like that moment
you look at the flags, it's pie day, see the numbers,
and like some part of your consciousness somebody in the
back of my head is like, oh cool, make a flag.
It's almost like you can like sense it coming. I'm like,
wait a second, oh or three. It was like a

(01:13:49):
Eureka moment. Wait, you can combine those into one flag,
right and cut them up. And so the first one,
a maritime came first. That was easy. I had a
harder time getting the cutting it up perfectly, and I'm like, oh, yeah,
that looks really cool. Kind of like because you can
juggle in your mind. If you look at the three,
focus on the number three, you'll see the number three flag.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
And then if you focus on the number one, oh yeah,
there's the one and then too, it's almost like that
magic eye mind trick, right right. The natal flag was
actually hard. I had like eight or seven designs. I
was like, wait, like this looks stupid, and I kept
working at it, and you know, I was like, oh, yeah,
there it is. And you know what, it reminds me
of the X Men. I don't know why, Like, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Was gonna say it reminds me of the X Men
to that central element for sure, but yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
Pi, and I know, Pi, why is there that? Again,
the holiday of pie Day again goes back to synchronicity.
It's like, why are we celebrating this number? Okay, it's
kind of cool. Math is cool. I get it. And
especially being a teacher, teachers love this holiday because they're
not teaching math for one day, having a party.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
And again the synchronicity is because Albert Einstein was born
on pie Day. I'm like, really, we're going to do that, okay?
And he came up with these cool ideas, all right,
I don't think yeah okay. And again the foundation of
that holiday because of Albert Einstein just by chance happened
to be born on pie Day. Destiny was it meant

(01:15:22):
to be yea, but.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
Yeah, there it comes back again. Well dude, yeah, you've
you've sent me so many Like, all right, we'll get
into a couple more on the Patreon. I think we
need to kind of start wrapping up for now. But
these are very cool ideas. These are very cool ideas. Yeah,

(01:15:46):
let's get into more of it over there. But all
that said for right now. Oh, there's a little preview
I guess on the screen there what we will be
getting into on the Patriot. It's all right, No, it's
all good. Actually, I kind of love the preview. All right,
so we will start wrapping up. If you've got any

(01:16:09):
plugs anywhere you want to be found anywhere, we can
find all this amazing work, including the book, Like, go
ahead and plug that now. I will put it on
the screen and in the notes.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
Yeah, here it is the book here, got many copies,
happy copies. You can get it online. You can get
them an Amazon upside down of course, right, so you
can read it this way, give yourself a challenge. There
it is. That's backwards, and that was forced I got
I put it out of backwards cheap. Okay, that's always fun.

(01:16:43):
Keep that in there. Oh, I absolutely will we need humor,
all right, I yeah, because I know this happens. Things
get reversed. Isn't that weird how that happens? This is
what it looks like. But then the computer goes, hey,
let's loop it up. Why not like a like image
on your brain or something.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
Computer.

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
So this is the book. If you're in a vexology,
in a syncrenous well, if you're in a exillogy, you
have to read it and leave a review because you
can pay it forward. It helps all of us. We
use our group. We need to be like our goal
is to pass the stamp people. I think we can
do it. Yeah, five years, Yeah, leave them in the dust.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
We're going to get that. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
Yeah. It's controversial, it's fun. It makes you think it's weird,
but it's in the end it's fun. If you want
to take it seriously, fine, that synchronousy stuff is weird,
trust me. Yeah, lost my mind a little bit doing it.
And it's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
Oh it's very fun.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
But definitely it's educational and you'll never look at the
flags again the same. Maybe maybe we're not the founding
fathers are talking about providence. Maybe it'll help you understand
that I hope or something like that. So there it is.
First three chapters are free on Amazon. Can test write
it out?

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Oh hell, make sure you the link a little later, yeah, sweet, yeah,
I will put it up on the screen right here,
and obviously in the show notes. Speaking of links, you
can find all of our show stuff over at linktree
dot com slash flagged four content all spelled out, and
that includes links to the Patreon where Chris and I

(01:18:20):
are going to be talking a little bit over on
some of his other designs. I do that with every guest,
so if there's any guests that you want to hear
more from, that's probably on Patreon. In fact, it's pretty
damn sure that it is. We have merch which I
think is now a link on there. You know, it's
the holiday season, et cetera. And then yeah, anywhere with

(01:18:43):
at symbols. You can find us at flagged for content,
flagged for like the number content and yeah, oh yeah.
Last thing is we are more on Blue Sky than
we are on Twitter now, so you can find us
there same handle flag four content dot b Sky dot social. Uh. Anyway,

(01:19:06):
that's all my stuff, and Christopher, like I have notes
on how to end the show but I suspect that
as an author, you have something better. So if you
want to go ahead and take us away to the ending.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
Here, yes again, this is podcast number one Christophermetish. Flags.
Flags are fun, Flags are educational. I recommend you design
your own flags, redesign flags. We design a redesign flag
because you all flags need redesign. And that's fine. The
flags change, that's part of change is inevitable. Get with

(01:19:42):
the program. It's okay. But this is a fun historical
document that I'll take you on a trip, a trip
through time and space and even the future.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
Short and punche. I like it, all right. So with
that said, we are going to take y'all out here
and we will catch you on the flyside. Take care
of y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
Excuse me, here's nice.

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