Ep. 69: I Saw the Redesign w/ Frédéric Lindboe

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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I don't think there's a ton more to mention other
than speaking of Flagged for Good as I did at
the beginning of the show. I will be in Indianapolis
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new store in general. Yeah, that's about it for housekeeping here.
I'd wanted to say that I had an awesome time
as always with Frederic's the third time he's been on now.
We did have like a few kind of lag issues,
which you can tell, like we tried to combat most
of that by just you know, waiting our turn, as

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it were. But you know stuff happens tech wise, but yeah,
it was a fantastic conversation with him. We talked all
about a lot of his redesigns and his advent calendar
thing that he did around the holidays of last year.
You'll see what all we get into. But anyway, as
always a very fun one with Frederic. So take it away,

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past Andy. Let's go on into episode sixty nine. Folks,
we have got a returning favorite back this week. You
know him as the perpetual second best Norwegian in Fresh
Flags are Instagram game. You know him as the designer
of the Forest Ben's flag, and you know him as

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the host of flag elections and Flag Euros. It's Friday
glean Bow. Yeah, there'll be music here. It's more exciting.
But I happy to be back. Yeah, it's good to
have you back.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Man.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
How what's been going on since last time you were here.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
I've I've made the mini myself, which means it definitely
is a child who looks more like my wife than me.
It's that's so everybody tells that he's got my eyes.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, that's okay. It's too bad for the viewers that
they missed him flying in from the side right before
we started.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Oh well, you know, Superpowers cannot be broadcast, so it's
like the Incredibles. Keep it, keep it quiet as long.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
As you can. Yeah. Well, yeah, I'm sure that's taken
up a lot of your time, but you've still had
a ton of time to do flag stuff your instagram,
which is weird, busy as a blaze. Yeah, all my
free time has gone to that.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Mostly. I've been more efficient like in between, like during
that time.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
And yeah, and I'm here just before I just did
him write this review. We are going to get into
that for for obvious reasons. We gotta go ahead and
get into the show because you know, uh, nap schedules,

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et cetera. So go ahead and let the listeners and
viewers know what's on the flag pole today. We have
got our usual overrated and underrated flags, as picked by Frederic.
We may have time to go over those US flag
elections we teased in the intro, which are probably the
best elections that we've had recently. We'll touch on the
flag that he designed for my wife and me and

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it's use at our wedding, and we'll spend most of
our time talking about Frederick's redesigns. But first before we
get into any of that, good souff Frederic, what is
one of your favorite flags?

Speaker 2 (05:34):
So the my favorite, one of my favorite flag I've
chosen for today is the flag of Greenland.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Oh wow, kind of in the wind metaphorically these days.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
I don't know this, but or if some like sort
of nation will have a switched allegiance by the time
of bearing.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
But the talk about the flag just.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
For the sake of talking about the flag, it's it's uh,
it's one of my favorites last time, last episode, I
think I brought a Cuba So that's like maybe my
favorite or maybe like in my top three and another
one in my top three. Yea, yeah, I'll say Greenland
just because I you know, I like simple flags, uh,

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not like, oh, they don't have to be over simplified.
I like if they have a clear color scheme, which
it does, although red and white, it's sort of not cliche,
but it's it's used. But I like that it has
like white on top, which makes like white the primary color.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah. And I also like that yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
And I like that it has.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Like it works in black and white.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
It has this sort of what we say, I call
it texture, which means it's not just a tryband or
is you can tell what it is in black and white.
You can like you could put the flag of Greenland
and play around with it, make it the green instead
of red, and you still see, ah, this is just
Greenland modified. Yeah, so that's a cool flag alike. Maybe

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if they become independent, it will become green, just to
distance themselves from Denmark.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah, they're relatively their flags like relatively new and in
the grand scheme of things. Isn't it from like the
seventies or something? That's what I had in mind. I
should have looked up before. Oh who does that? I
think it was some artists I made.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
I made a flag calendar entry about it, like really
long time ago.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
I can look it up.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
But yeah, I think it was from the seventies somewhere.
Some artists made it and it worked. I think it's
really cool. I also think you're not probably uh, like
following the European football or soccer if you want, the

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Nations tournaments, but like they have this and when they
play like European games, they sort of have this. They
made this sort of logo things from the for the
teams where they have like a bicolor with a with
a divided circle inside in the in the flag color,

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in the color scheme of the flag. If you have
Denmark or or Austria or playing, you know.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
It's just it's just a flag of Greenland. Uh, the Greenland.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Greenland don't play, so nobody's confused other than flag enthusiasts.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, I didn't figure. And although I guess they would
play in the in the European ones that they did,
but I was gonna say, yeah, I just I this
just arrived like two days ago. But I'm holding up
a Greenland flag. I also really like the fact that
the circle is like offset toward the toward the hoist.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, it makes it sort of Nordic, if you can
say it's Nardic.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
But yeah, yeah, I think so kind of ties that
in anyway.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, I have I have a what do you call
it a pnemonic, like a remembering rule to remember, oh,
which is on top? Is it white or is it
is it red?

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Whatever?

Speaker 2 (09:26):
I want to draw the flag of Greenland. I well,
my my nemonic is, well, it's not in mnemonic, it's
just a rule to remember. Uh, yeah, it's I think
of the flag of Poland. Because in Norwegian Poland is
pool lem and pool also means the pole. So if

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I think of the North Pole, I think, okay, north pole, greenland,
so that means white is on top. But then you
have to remember that polar white is on top.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
I don't have a I.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Don't have a rule for that, other than I had
a Norwegian Polish colleague ones who said his grandmother taught
him that the blood always flows towards the ground. Hence
the red is on the bottom. Okay, red, And I
know that he's Polish, so okay, that's red on the bottom.
But then if you have a you don't know any
Polish people only know Indonesians or money Gascus.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Then the rule doesn't Yeah, so I forget what oh
just favorite flag. That's my favorite flag, yeah, or one
of it. I like it as well. I think the
way that I remember the white is on top is
I think of it as like snow and like I
don't know, like maybe the red is the land, the

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white is the snow on top of it or something. Yeah,
you could just.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
As easily remember, oh, it's the sunset, you know, above
the sheet of ice.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Actually it's a yeah, you just have to remember Korea,
I'm I cannot.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
I've lived there for a year and I still cannot
remember which is on top of the yin and yang?

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Is it red or is it blue? I I can't remember.
Oh lord, my gut says red, but I have no idea. Yeah,
is it?

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Is it sky and and see like sky red sky
and blue sea? Or is it like blue sky and
red land?

Speaker 1 (11:26):
I don't remember. These are questions best left to somebody
else anyway, So yeah, yeah, And for the listeners, if
you don't know what the Greenland flag looks like, it's
pretty much as we described with a circle as I said,
off toward the hoist that is counter changed, so the

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red of the circles on top of the whites on bottom.
I keep like looking at it just off camera over here.
But yeah, you can go to flagsfogod dot com and
get your own green flag and use flag for content
at check. That is where I got.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Do you think, like, just let's play the game. If
Greenland were to switch allegiance, like either becoming or becoming
an American is more fun to think, like will their
flag change? Will they like put a white star in
the blue circle instead of the red and white circle.

(12:23):
I've seen some like online on Reddit or is that
too cheesy?

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Or the very in America? But it's cool. Yeah, well
there was already like some some dumba house like senator
from Georgia or representative was like, we're gonna take Greenland
and then we're gonna start calling it red, white and
blue Land. Yes, And I was like, oh my god,
first the Gulf of America and now we're gonna pretend

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with this ship. I don't know, I could see them
doing something like with California is where they put like
a star, or like Nunavit in Canada where they're like
just a star like in Canton or something. I don't know.
I don't think I'd rather not.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
They should put a blue, blue and white star in
the circle, yes, because it works, but it sort of
goes to tell you that, Okay, you have this this
base for a flag and then you want to make
some change and it still works. That means that your
your base flag design is.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Good, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, you know though it's sort of a crazy thing
to think, like in reality, but well with it. If
they want to do like a make Greenland American campaign,
like they have the logo or the banners right there,
you know, yeah, which proves a good flag design.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yep, uh yeah. Oh there's so many more things I
want to go into, but time limit. I have to
keep telling myself that. So, yeah, whichever one you want
to get into, your overrated or underrated.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Take it away, all right, I'm gonna start with my
underrated one. I'm it's just just because I see it
get some get some heat because non flag lovers say
it's boring. Also some flag lovers say it's boring, but
it's so iconic. I want to bring out I wanna.

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I want to give a shout out to the the tricolor,
the flag of France.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Oh okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
I was like, wait, the underrated flag because.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
It's just so iconic.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
And I I know that I'm contradicting myself saying I like, oh,
I like flags with motifs and texture. But you know,
in the case of France and in some like nations,
you know, less is more. You just have noam. You know,
it's it's striking and those are like cliche flag colors,

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but like France is the main reason why they're it's
it's a it's a cliche you know, the the flag
the colors of the Revolution. You know, all the Europeans
have that because of you know, inspiring from the French
Revolution and the Enlightenment. Maybe so maybe it's also America,

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but let's ignore that.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah that happened.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
But you know, yeah, as I said, less is more,
and if you are like a big nation, you can
pull that off, you know, as as I think it
was the Sweden Swedish new of Exillology Max who said,
you know, there are different rules to flag design for

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nations and for like cities and municipalities, then maybe you
need more details to like to distinguish yourself.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
But if you're a big nation.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
If you take got the big, big room you know,
in the in the country's community, well you can you
can have a simple flag, you know, just I don't
need more. Everybody knows me. Yeah, less uh less. Let's
let's let lets less is more. It's kind of like,
I don't know if you want to go into politics again,

(16:09):
but you know recently with the Elon Musks, you know,
sort of power move in the oval office, you know,
not dressing up. Yeah, sort of like I don't care,
I'm the boss and I just kind of a terrible thing,
but it's also quite for us non in Americans fun.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, it's not as fun for us, but I'm glad
you're having again.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah, but you know, I want to say, like there
are many by color flags, but like it works for
like big nations, and if you see just blue, white
and red, I would argue you think of France. Although
there are so many other blue, white and red flags,
you think of France first, if especially in that order. Yeah, yeah,

(16:59):
and that's kind of you know, the France they went
pretty far, and in the Flag of Euros they came
all the way to the finale, and that that was
votes by or mostly votes by by my followers, so
it wasn't just me and my bias. Although I did
help them through when they were penalty penalty shootouts drawn

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sort of made them win. But I think it just
gets a lot of heat for being boring tricolors like, yeah,
but it works. You know, you don't if you don't
need the the motifs, you don't need them. And if
you only have the colors, then adaptability is there were
mix abilities were really easy, you know, just put some stripes.

(17:45):
We all have some, like French branded clothes with just
a blue, white red start. At least in Europe, that's
quite popular to have blue, wine and red, just some stripes.
Oh it's French, even though it's not a French brand.
They just put it to seem French and it works.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Yeah, let's go. Yeah, yeah, I mean everything that you
said and uh and you kind of touched on this too,
but like it also like went on to inspire other flags,
like the Italian flag is the one I'm thinking specifically
comes directly from the French flag, and like those cockades

(18:21):
does like circular things that used to used to have.
But yeah, and so easier. Yeah, I'd say that's a pretty.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Good We shouldn't we're somewhat I think, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
I think it gets fixed in post. But you know,
in any case, yeah, French flag absolutely iconic. Like you said,
I guess some people sometimes it does get a little
like not even heat really just some kind of like
man like it's boring comments or whatever. Yeah, but you know,
you don't think if in English like to say, if

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it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
But it's not broken, like it goes beyond the the
Oh no, it's okay. You don't put it on your wall,
like to decorate you like, then you put on something
nice or like the flag of California because oh yeah
the beer is so cool and mean looking or crazy looking.

(19:26):
But you know, then it like becomes a piece of
art on your wall. That's not the point of flags. No,
you want it to be striking and striking. If you
want to be striking distance, it needs to be simple.
And those three colors they just they just work, yep,
and then they carry a lot of weight. I really like,
h yeah, tricolors that are vertical, although I prefer horizontal stripes.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
I like like the vertical comments on the Allen episode.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, they're very It's like a sign of establishment. I think.
I don't think it's intentional, but that's how I interpret it.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Yeah, yeah, I remember seeing where you said that, Yeah,
all right, cool, you want to go into overrated overrated?

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Okay, so overrated flag Also people might disagree. I want
to say that a really overrated flag is the flag
of Albania, you know, red flag with the with the
black two headed eagle. Yeah, which I I understand why
people like it. But again, like for like I said,

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it's it's the thing you sort of put on your wall,
and it looks cool when you know you see it
in big and it's all stretched out and and and
my main problem with it is it is not the
eagle being detailed in itself, because it's it's pretty cool,
and you know, you got this two headed eagle and
you have these Albanian symbols that you can do. I know,

(20:54):
if you want to social show like Albeitia nationalism, you
put this your hands together and your thumbs crossing and
you have like, uh, the wings are your fingers and
your thumbs are are the two edit you can do that.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, you saw this.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
This actually Albanian born Swiss football player playing against scoring
against Serbia, going running towards the Serbian fans and doing
like the Albanian eagles, just to provoke them. They were
It became a mess in in the media later. I remember,

(21:28):
you shouldn't you shouldn't provoke like that, but it gives
to show you, Okay, the the the symbol itself is
quite iconic, so so that works. But my main problem
is is that it's it's a black eagle on red
and that's what I figured as as I've said many
times in this and my previous episode and previous episodes

(21:50):
I've been in. My favorite thing about flags is how
it's not flags in themselves, it's how you use the
colors and the patterns, uh and other like in in
close design or art.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
And like the way you want to.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
If you want to keep the the Albanian feeling, you
need red and you need black. But all right, so
if you my go to example is, okay, how easy
is it to make the soccer jersey or like a
sports to wear representing your country. You have a red jersey,
you can wear black shorts. Cool, but if you want to,
like you need to write the number and your name

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on the back. If you need to write that in black,
it won't be legible, right how you say legible readable legible?
So what you need to do, Okay, then you need
another another better contrast color. So what they usually do
is they put white. You know, people, we can you

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can edit in just a random Albanian soccer jersey and
you'll see the numbers if they're black, hard to read,
if they're white.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Easy to read.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
But then if you introduce the white, then you sort
of lose the Albanian feeling, right, Yeah, So the problem, Oh,
it's not even that it's a black eagle, it's just there.
If there were just a little white in the flag,
then you might like keep that Albanian effect that you
have a like red, black and then white. You sort

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of get this Amsterdam thing, you know, at the flag
of Amsterdam, tryband horizontal, tryband red on top, red and
bottom black in the middle, and then three white crosses
in the black part, and then you still have red
and black as the main colors, but you still have
the white that you can play around with and like
make those detailed things like writing, just to keep.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
The Albanian feeling, you know.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
And I think if your flag is only red and black,
then forever whenever you get these sort of detailed adaptations,
you sort of lose it. So I think it's overrated. Also,
having a black detailed thing on red is not great
at a distance. If you want to write the Albanian
flag emoji, you know, it's you have to squint a
little to see. Oh yeah, it's the it's the thing.
It looks cool and big, and it doesn't really work

(24:06):
at a distance or in miniature. So I think the
flag of Albania, although the eagle is pretty cool and
lots of people love it. They I think it's overrated. Yeah,
also agree it lost it lost in the Flag Euros.
It was the it was the worst flag o reason?

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Okay, yeah, I can talk about quickly about the Flag Euros. Okay,
like what what the what? What the thing was for
the football.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Soccer you European Tournament last summer four, for each day
there was a game in the group stages. I had
the votes on my Instagram, which flag do you prefer?
You prefer Germany or Scotland. They played against each other
and then they get points, like the winners get three points.

(24:56):
If if the if the votes was closer than fifty
five to forty five percent, I said it was a draw,
just because I like draws, you know, just to make
it fun.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
It was close enough football, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
And then for the knockout stages, it was just okay,
we just continue playing the tournament as if those were
the results of.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
The of the actual football games.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, yea, and uh so Georgia went on to win,
which is pretty cool. Maybe I should have said Georgia
is my favorite flag, as it.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Would have been that. At this rate, you'll be on
in another what nineteen episodes or something, so yeah, yeah,
stated for that one.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
They went against France, but France, uh, they won their
semi final against I think it was Denmark. It also
was a tie in the vote, so I had like
sort of I had a penalty shootouts, where like each
penalty was a like flag design principle, like does it
have striking colors do they have does it look good waving?
Does it work in black and white? And you know

(26:06):
I made the I said that France has good iconic
colors blue, white and red because they are the tricolor lutricol.
And Denmark although being like the original oldest still used flag,
I said, I'm still not They're they're small, so they're
not iconic enough to like be the red and white country.
So that's like the penalty. They lost on and well Germany, no, Denmark.

(26:31):
They won their quarterfinals against Swiss Switzerland I think, and
Switzerland won against I don't remember who, and then and
that country that lost against Switzerland. The last the worst country,
the worst flag in their group was Albania, although that
was the group of death.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
I think it was.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
They had Spain and Italy and some other country I
don't remember, but in creation was it was it the flags. Also,
Crache is overrated.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Although I do really like their soccer kids. Ah well,
if we're talking.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
About later, because I did. Okay, I've done a redesign about.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
That perfect, all right, cool, Probably best to go ahead
and get into the ad break then so that we
can talk about that. Uh, but yeah, join us on
the other side of these ads. We are going to
go over all of fred Eric's redesign well maybe not
all of them, but we will be talking all about
Frederic's redesigns.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
And he's got like a little he's got a show
to put on for us, so don't miss that. Yeah,
if you're a viewer anyway, but anyway, don't miss that.
We will be right back all right, and we are

(27:56):
back with Frederic Limbo and as promised, we're going to
talk mostly here about his redesigns, of which there are plenty.
First off, Frederick, where can we find these redesigns if
the viewers want to go go hunt these down?

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Well, I work almost primarily on Instagram. So Instagram at
flag malon with two g's and two n's and just
scroll down. Or there's a hashtag flag manon, which means
flag manon the flagman redesigns.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
You can see all my redesigns in a in one hashtag,
and I'm the only one who uses that hashtag, so
they are only my redesigns so far.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Yeah. I like your your formatting on this too.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
It works to have it on Norwegian in Norwegian because
then you know other people won't. Maybe there's some other
flag guy from from wherever also resign flags.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Okay, so yeah, I've got them pulled up to the
side of my screen. Now I'm looking over these and
speaking of Norwegian, I can figure out what redesign it means.
I'm sure I'm pronouncing it terribly. What is the luke
at the bottom, like l u k E luca or
what is that? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:16):
All right, all right, So like for the ones you're
talking about, like most of the redesigns I've put online
are for the I had this Advent calendar thing, you know,
each day in December until twenty fourth, I put out
and you and you redesign uh and.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Luke. Yeah, I mean it means a hatch or like
a window, you.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Know, imagine like chuckolate Advent calendar. That's the first luke, yeah,
or the first hatch or a window or whatever you
would call it in English.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Okay, so that's how we call it, Luke. Yeah, yeah, Luke, Luke, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Even if it's like a TV show, you know, oh
lu yah, you know, even maybe in the intro, like
nineties animations intro, they would have an actual like hatch.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Opening and for the intro with a big one. Yeah, whoa, yeah,
I can think of it. That's what it is.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
So if it's Luke Luke at twelve, twelfth of December,
that's why I got it.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah. I was just confused on that because I was like,
it's not the Bible verses. I'll just ask you. Yeah,
that's what it looks like to my American eyes though,
Luke twelve. It's fun though. Luke tells us that.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
I've designed flags with Christian crosses in them and Christians
or like Christian origin symbols, two of which are behind
your head right.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Now, right this forest Fins flag that's in my background.
And actually, since you mentioned that, this is a little
offscript here, but I did want to thank you on
air and publicly for sending me rhetoric for my birthday
last year in twenty twenty four whatever year that was.
Send me this gorgeous forest Fins flag. It's been like

(31:00):
the colors on this one are a lot better than
on that one, I will say. And this cool like
the updated colors. Yeah, updated colors Norway flag as well.
I don't have too many like sown stitched flags, so
I love that one.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Well, they produce them on moss here or probably in China,
but they buy them on moss here.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Yeah. Anyway, that was a brief aside. Let's get into
the redesigns. Yeah, let me just yeah, do you want
to pick a few to go over? You want me to?
All right?

Speaker 2 (31:37):
I want you look at the redesigns and say which
ones do you think are interesting? Or which one do
you think are good or bad? We can also talk
about I have some statistics onto which flags redesigns people
like and dislike them? Yes, because for this Advent calendar,
I had to vote do you prefer the actual flag
or my redesign based on seeing it right now? And

(31:59):
you're probably don't spend more than thirty seconds on then
the Instagram posts. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, you tell me
which one do you like or dislike?

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Or I want to talk about I I would love
to talk about the Netherlands one actually, all right, because
I think it's one of us. A lot of the
other ones you can see the influence of the old flag,
like Lithuania, especially the US one. Yeah, the Netherlands one.
If you don't know that orange is, you know, one
of their main colors, you might be a little confused

(32:32):
by since it's not on the original flag. So I
think it's interesting what you did with that. How'd you
come upon like, yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, as you said, most of the redesigns are okay,
I have I chose a bunch of countries to whose
flags I didn't I thought had or like weren't the best,
like they could be improved, And I said, and most
of them, okay, whatever is on the flag, let's just

(33:02):
rearrange it better, you know, as in ted case, in
every bad flag, there's a good flag waiting to come out.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
That was most of it.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
And I didn't spend too much time on on on
rethinking that's but yeah, for the Dutch flag, well, it's
super strange. That's the Dutch whose main color are orange.
That's how they ran themselves that there's no orange in
the flag. And yeah, you know, you have that story

(33:30):
with oh, it used to be orange, white and blue
the triband you know, from the top orange white and blue,
and then it faded into red. I read somewhere that
that's a myth, that's not true.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
That doesn't seem true. Red fade into orange, not the
other way around.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
I don't know, but I've repeated it quite a lot,
that oh, the Dutch flag would used to be orange,
because that that's where it comes from. You know, the
royal family of the Orange Nassau family dynasty comes from
Orange in Orange. It's a small town in front.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
But so that's why they are orange. And the flag
has been orange at some point, but I think it's weird.
But now the orange white and blue tricolor has been
claimed by neo Nazis since after World War Two, so
you can't really go back.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
It's called the prince and flag. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
So from for this redesign, I just wanted it has
to be orange. So I just how how do we
put like orange as the main color and also quite
like the the dark blue of them of the Dutch flag,
because that's how we distinguish it from Luxembourg. Okay, So
the dark blue is also a Dutch color.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Uh so.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Uh yeah, it was just so my redesign for the
for the for the for the viewers, for the listeners.
It's imagine the flag of Spain, you know, like the
restaurants and bottom and then mainly yellow. Uh and then
just instead of yellow in the middle, orange instead of
red on top and bottom dark blue and then I

(35:14):
just put some thin white lines because of well because
of the like that Albany argument that if you want
to do some adaptations of the of the flag, you
need the sort of you need the white contract color
just as a backup. So there's there's no real symbolism
to it. Just I thought that it looked touch and
it will work. Yeah, and yeah, that's uh, that's how

(35:39):
it came to be. I also thought it was a
little fun to like base it on the on the
on the Spanish flag because Spanish Netherlands. Well, although that
was yeah, well did you did you know that the
Netherlands used to be a Spanish colony of some sort,
which is really weird as a like a colonizing nation itself.

(36:02):
For there was some sort of union and also in
the Dutch national anthem.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Like in the first verse.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
The last line of the first verse is something like,
and I the Willem of Nassau, like the O G
Dutch king will always be a friend to the Spanish king.
Like in the Dutch national anthem, there's some allegiance pledging

(36:30):
to the Spanish king, which is quite weird to have
a Spanish motif, just as a little sprinkle of irony.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah, okay, that is really funny. If it word to
become the national flag, that would be a little weird.
But yeah, yeah, they look really cool next to each other.
I would love to see like a graphic, you know,
them both flying side by side or something. Yeah. I
think my favorite, well, it's hard to pick a fit.

(37:02):
My favorite of yours, I think is Saudi Arabia, which
you didn't have to do too much on because, as
you said, and as Ted says, the bones are already there.
I'll briefly explain this one for the listeners, but basically
he's taken the current Saudi flag like colors and everything,
so it's mostly a green field. But instead of the shahata,

(37:25):
there are two crossed swords in the middle in white
that are I don't remember the exact Yeah, there we go, okay,
so the viewers can see it on screen. Now perfect,
I put it on screen so too.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yeah, two sort of Arab looking swords and cross on green.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Yeah, and it's perfect, like and it's also unmistakably Saudi,
which I think is another thing, like you could kind
of just slot this one in and you know he
doesn't have the shahata, but you know this.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, well that's the point. It's a really strange thing
about the Saudi flag that you have this sort of sacred.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Thing. What do you call it?

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Sada I think is what it is, because yeah, I
think it says God is great and in like an
Arab caligraphy. Yeah, but it's well, the thing is like
that makes the flag sacred. So uh, like you're you're
not allowed to do much with the Saudi flag. I

(38:29):
remember there was a story for the I think it
was a football World Cup two thousand and two. They wanted, yes,
this is what I was thinking, when Saudi participated. They
wanted to put all the flags of the participating countries
on the ball, as we look, the oldest friendship, and
the Saudi said no because they didn't want and want
to kick their flags. I know, you're not supposed to
be it. It's sort of a cool symbol, but no, no,

(38:50):
it was really sacred. You're not allowed to do it.
So yeah, and you know when my favorite thing about
flags being how to mix them, how to use them,
how to like show belonging in togetherness with those symbols.
Super strange that you have this sacred thing. So yeah,
for this idea that this crossing of the sabers, you know,

(39:14):
Arab star wars, I think that's, uh, it's not like
original idea. I find the coat of arms, which is
just have these this two swords and a palm tree
above it, so you can see it on the passport,
you can see it on if you happen to go
next to the Saudi Embassy, you'll see it probably.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
On the gates. Yeah, and I thought, okay, that's a
cool thing.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
It's simple enough that it works, and also you know,
it has this little edge of coolness so that people.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Who love the olbeating flag also might like this. Oh yeah,
that's the same people would would love this cross. So this.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah, it's two stords, they're simple, it works, it has
its little curves that I said interesting. Yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
It's uh, that's how that came to be. Let's see,
I did want to go into well okay, actually we'll
get into that one later. Uh, walk me through Slovenia.
This is not one of my favorites. Okay, why it's
not one of your favorites?

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Okay, yeah, so, uh, Slovenia, I can put it on
screen for the viewers.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Yes, and describe it for the rest of all.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yeah, well, first let's let's just put the what is
the actual Slovenian flag, because why I don't like it?
So the flag of Slovenia is essentially the flag of
Russia with a small coat of arms. So trycolor from
the top white, blue, red, and then it has a

(40:50):
it has a coat of arms with a like three mountaintops,
some stars and some like waves ripes for rivers below.
And you know, there's nothing unique about that about the
Slovenian flag because it's already the flag of Russia and
it's really looks like the flag of Slovak. Yeah, who

(41:13):
they always just going to share the name with. Yeah,
so that's a bit strange. So, yeah, this is one
of the flags that were like that. The redesign was
quite a change from it's not just rearranging the color
patterns in a in a better way. So it's it's
mostly inspired by you know, Okay, how how do they

(41:37):
the Slovene distinguish themselves? You know, I always go to
sports because those are nations and they're branding themselves. And
in sports they use they don't use the white, blue
and red. They use white, blue and green. Why they
use the green, I'm not sure. It might have something
to do with the capital Lubiliana has a Their colors

(41:59):
is a uh bicolor of white and green and a
small coat of arms, but like white and green, so
maybe it comes from there. But at least whenever Slovenians
want to run themselves, they have white, blue and green mostly,
and they also have like the sort of peaks, three
peaks from this middle one mountains. Yes, that's what that's that,

(42:23):
that's what they adapt So what I was thinking here is, okay,
instead of making using a flag I like and adapting
it into a cool you know, football er, and my
example here a hockey jersey. I look at the I
look at the jerseys and I try to reimagine, Oh,
if this were adapted from a cool flag, what would
that flag.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Look like right, it makes sense? Yeah's yeah, so that's
how I I work mostly. Yeah, so kind of like
work take that and like work backwards from that.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah. Then I don't make up the symbolism here because
well it's already there and it's already established.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
I would say is maybe an unpopular view, but I
think symbolism and flag is overrated. H yes, you can
see in your face that you're don't well, I can
unpack it. It's okay, it's not overrated. But like, symbolism
is important in the in the selling of the flag.

(43:24):
You know, Oh, I can explain the symbolism to the
flag to make you like it, but once you like it,
the flag itself becomes a symbol.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Of what it Okay, yeah, what it's supposed to represent.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
So you don't care, Like what does the Norwegian flag
represent Christianity maybe somewhat allegiance to Denmark. Is blue for
Sweden because you know, that's when the blue cross came,
when there was a union with Sweden.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Okay, now, but who cares?

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Now that represents Norway and we love it, and I
don't really care what the what the flag represents or
what the actual symbolism because I like it so much.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah, I mean, that's why.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Symbolism is sort of overrated. It's it's the importance of
the symbolism fades with time, I think, and then because
then you can reinterpret it and just people like it
just because it is adaptable and cool.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah. No, I get what you mean. I mean even
so far as like my personal flag that you helped
us design, well, that you basically designed for same thing,
you know, like I've explained, especially when I was up
at Nava in uh Saint Paul, I explained it to
so many people and they were like, oh, that's so cool,
that's so unique, especially the forty two thing, et cetera.

(44:37):
But like, honestly, yeah, at this point, I'm just like, yeah,
that's my flag. I'm not thinking about like Okay, this
is what the hex represents and this is what the
colors represent. I'm just like, hell, yeah, that's my flag,
Like yeah, yeah, I and I know what it represents.
But that kind of fades into the background of like
why I like it or why it's important to me,
I guess.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Yeah. Yeah, So back to the Slovenian flag, Like, Okay,
I don't know if it's told to the listeners what
it actually looks like. But so imagine a white flag,
a white white field, and then in the bottom there's
this dark blue the three peaks that you recognize from
the coat of arms in dark blue, and above it

(45:21):
is like a white line just as a sort of
border on top, or like snow on the mountaintops if
you want. And then the same line in just in
green on top. And I'm not going to say that
this is my best work, but I try to imagine, Okay,
how can you like go all in with what is

(45:42):
unique with the today's Slovene flag, which is the coat
of arms, and make it into and make it into.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Just the flag.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
And I want white, I want blue, I want green.
Maybe this is not the best way to do it.
Maybe you need to put I had one person comment
and my Instagram post that, oh I like it. However,
if you want to like really capture the Slovenian feeling,
you need to have the the the green against the blue.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Hmm. So because that that's like, okay, it.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Wasn't like that in the hockey jersey.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
I I was gonna say, I'm looking yeah, I mean
it is on the football jersey, but it is on
the football.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
It isn't but you know, maybe you need that, so
I yeah, it's it's it's not great when I like
simulated it hanging from a distance, it the green didn't
really pop as much as I hoped, or you know,
like the example I'm showing on screen now is just
like basically mhmm, yes, is that all the backgrounds are

(46:47):
from the from the actual countries. I spend too much
time figuring out how to.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
To do that. Fans of this show will be fans
of that, so yeah, we can do it.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
If we go back to that, to the Dutch flag,
there was a there was a two lip background.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Oh yeah, I didn't even notice.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Uh. For Saudi Arabia there is uh yeah just some
big bottle opener skyscraper.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Oh whoa oh yeah yeah yeah, yeah, I don't know
where that is.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
It's just found and I do not have permission to
use those images. I just I don't make money on this,
though I'll.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Say it's fair use yeah who cares? All right? But
yeah for this uh this lake lead Yeah, you can see.
I tried to put.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Like to show what I dislike about the Slovenian flag.
Oh If you put it this way, you don't see
the coat of arms. It looks like the flag of Russia.
If I put my redesign in the same direction, uh yeah,
it looks like a white and blue bicolor. You can't
see the green. I don't know if it would work
so well. I think I thought it was hard to
to like put make the like the three peaks into

(48:01):
a elongated flag work and also have blue and green.
That I played around with it quite a lot, and.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
This was I just had to call it a day
at some point, because it is worth mentioning that you
have kept like the original proportions for all these so
like I'm looking at Croatia and here we've got Slovenia,
and those are both like longer flags than say that was.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Actually slightly altered just to make it work with them
with the.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Checkers.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
But yeah, mostly I tried to keep the the proportions
because if I don't need to change in mine, I won't, right, Okay, Yeah,
so you can talk about the flag of Croatia as
well if you want well, which is one of my
favorite redesigns. That's why I kept it for the Christmas
Eve the twenty fourth because this is the one I'm

(48:54):
most satisfied with. And also I sort of semi stole
it from the post on Reddit many years ago. But uh,
all right, it was strongly inspired.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Yes, because.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Let's let's just say the flag of Croatia, all right,
it's a pan panslavic color scheme just like uh, Slovenia,
like red, white, and blue in that order from the
top to the bottom. And it has a coat of
arms like the iconic coat of arms with the with

(49:28):
the red and white checkers, which is the unique thing.
And uh, and my redesign is basically almost the same.
Just instead of the white stripe in the middle, I
replaced that white stripe with slightly thicker stripe.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
And all checkers. Mhm.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
And that is to keep panslavic colors. There is some
symbolism here, and but to go all in with the
most iconic part of of the creation flag. And you
can see that you said earlier, I like the football
jerseys of Croatia, yes, because they adapt the most unique thing, right,
And I find it so strange that, Okay, if this

(50:11):
is the adaptation, I would imagine that the flag, the
flag should have mostly bred and white checkers yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
I mean it's the same weird of working backwards like
you did. Like if you didn't know what the Croatian
flag was in the first place, but you saw the
jerseys and everything, you would probably imagine the flag looks
about like this. And this is one of my favorites
of yours worth mentioning too that you could probably actually
play on this one. It wouldn't be Checkers because this

(50:42):
is like kind of like a little too long for that,
but you could you could play a game on this one.
I don't know, some sort of strength. Yeah, that would
be cool. Yeah, it's less offensive than kicking a religious symbol.
Oh okay, yeah, here we are put them.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Yes, so that's sort of noticed on the Instagram or
nobody comented it.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
But this before, I I.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Thought it was fun to put a little Easter egg
for the Christmas Christmas Eves post. Yeah, which was I
put a game of Stroms. I put like kings Landing
because that was from season two one, recorded and or
shot in Dubrovnik, Croatia. So let's just put as a
sort of a finale for the for the last post

(51:25):
a little thing. Nobody commented on it, but maybe someone noticed.
Oh and yeah, first thing I saw, but yeah it's
the first thing. Okay, great, but here you can say
you can you can see what I tried to do
with the flag. Okay, I want the checkers to be visible,
like no matter what, how the how the flag is hanging.

(51:47):
I tried to hide the checkers as much as I could,
but you can it's still there. I basically the flag
could be all checkers. You know, it was still work,
but you know, I wanted to keep the panslantic thing.
And although the the colors are yeah, not unique, but
you have the checkers, and that motif is so or
that uh what was the word I used earlier, Not

(52:11):
motif but the patterns? Yeah, texture texter like it works,
you know, it's it's checkers. No nation flags use that,
not only the racing finish flag uses it.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Yeah, all right, so I quite like that. I wish
we had time to get into all of these. But yeah,
viewers and listeners should go check out the hashtag Flogmonton
redesign it. I'll have that on screen and in the
show notes. I just to go.

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Speaker 1 (54:31):
I wanted to talk about because because you have a
bunch of like stats for this, which I think are
really interesting to get into as well. Okay, so yeah,
let's get into that. If you've got like those somewhat handy,
I got them. I got them. I got them here.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
So as I said, for UH, for my uh, for
my redesign advans calendar, for each post, there was at
alt do you prefer the actual flag or do you
prefer the redesign? And you just voted and I got

(55:06):
like seventy five votes per day and on average, and
I thought it was interesting to see, oh, which which
redesigns did the best?

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (55:16):
So uh so, so so let's see so now on screen,
hopefully you will see on the left just the stats
and on the right just my presentations from how I
made the how I made the redesigns.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Yeah, and I thought it would be fun to see,
like which flags did the people like the most and
disliked the most?

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
And also what I can just tell from the stats
is if you if I ordered them by which flags
got the most votes, like like which which resign posts
got the most votes in total? You'll see that the
more people disliked the flag, the more they voted.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Albanians are very passionate. Well, so let's do this. My
most the.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Flag that got the most like percent wise dislikes or
like people prefer for the original was my redesign of Albania,
which I think is overrated. I will show it on
screen here. It's my attempt. I'm not going to say
it's great, but I tried to fix what I what
I disliked about it. Yeah, and so I changed the

(56:33):
Albanian eagle. I made it white just so it would
be like easier to spot at a distance mm hm.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
And I moved the eagle towards.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
The hoist and I'm made like the fly black, just
like in the flag of Tennessee. You know, the right
part is the background. I just like inspired for that.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Oh, let's let's do that.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
And what I wanted to do was to try to.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Keep the.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Black, the red against the black, you know feeling, so
you can have like red and black mean Albanian colors.
What introduced the white so that's you know, it would
be more visible at a distance, and I also like
work better hanging.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
The proportions that you gave it to, Like the the
white eagle basically sits in like what's a square now
it looks like, and then the black takes like what's
left of that?

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Yeah, because like if you have a charge, I don't
like too much when charges don't like use whatever the
background is, like in the flag and the Canadian flag. Ah,
the maple leaf is within the square, you know, because
it's outline or as if you draw some rectangular red
it will be mostly square.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
It's also what I tried to do with my redesign
of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, you.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Know, the how did that one do? Okay? Your's one?
This one was good?

Speaker 2 (58:07):
So this one, uh, this one worked quite well, you know. Okay,
if there is a charge, I want to adapt the
background just so it just it's actually just to give
the charge more room. And also but whatever dead space
you got you can use that for for other for

(58:28):
the other colors. So here's how it looks hanging. And
also it like made it look slightly different, more different
than just try colors with charge.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Yeah, I do like that that v Speaking of these
how did your where's erititrail on this list? Oh? Wow?
Really almost high? All right, So here's my red design
of Eritrea.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
So that's crazy like your Yeah, yeah, I was quite
happy with that. So the flag of Ferry trib being
having these like red triangle like from going from the
from the hoists all the way to the to the
fly and then the top and bottom and in each color.
Then you have this olive tree singy and the charge

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in the red, just like in the flag of Cuba
where the where the star is? And I thought, yeah, this,
you know, the this charge gets so small when if
you want to do like a triangular parted flag all
right and you want to put a symbol inside it,
forcibly is small and it's also quite detailed. So yeah,

(59:41):
I don't the the olive street there. Cool triangles are cool,
but they don't work together, I think, no. So I
wanted just to take those olives olive branches and use
them as a sort of a border in between the
triangle colors, just to try to keep both in the
ted kay. In every bad flag there's a good flag

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waiting to come out.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Yeah you didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
You don't have to do this I I've made some
other redesigns with where I just made it Canadian style,
you know, Okay, I had big red in the middle
and then the big olive tree in the middle, and
then left and right stripes are just a.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Green, green and blue. Yeah, I would also work, but
it was more like that deep like v I guess,
I don't know what you would call it, but that
that it extends all the way from the is I
think pretty iconic to that flag. I mean in so
far as that flag is iconic, which not very but

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if there was one feature it has, it's that one.
So I do like that you kept it fimbriated it
with something that you know, I guess like is meant
to represent the like what do we call that, like
a laurel that's kind of around the olive tree. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
I don't remember that I kept thirty branches or thirty
leaves of olives because those repers sent the thirty years
of civil war.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Okay, yeah, I figured it was something that there was
some americles together are like, yeah there are, Yeah, that's
how I kept it. So all right, So tu Valu
is the we already talked to Albania is the both
the one that got the most votes and the current

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flag one eighty two to eighteen percent.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Uh, let's go from the bottom and work a work
away up. Just see the bottom and see the and
see the tops.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
So Albania lost.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Like quite clearly, because I think people think the Albanian
eagle is cool. And I don't want to say yeah,
it's cool, but it's still yeah. I get it from
like ash regular people point of view.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Yeah it's cool, it looks cool on your wall. It
doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
It doesn't work too well with what I like about flags, right,
And I think that what I like if that's although
it's slightly subjective. I've thought about this quite a lot,
so my opinion is to be considered okay. And then
I got the flag of the US of the United

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States also quite a lot. I figured, you want to
go seventeenth, let's go about that one.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Where is it? Oh? Yeah, poof there it is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
So what I dislike about the US flag, I don't
think we have to describe it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
If you listen to this podcast, you know what it
looks like. If you're a people on Earth, you know
what it looks like. It's quite iconic.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
It's a cool flag. I like it, and it's quite adaptable.
You know, you have the stripes, you have the stars.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
If people want to check out my flag reviews, they
can go on hashtag flag review. I've made a review
about the American flag and it really scores high and adaptability.
You have the it is the star and stripes. The
nickname is cool. You can put stars everywhere, you can
put strike it looks American. You can look at the
jersey of the Harlem Globetrotters quite cool. Oh yeah, and

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it's in the picture of that, uh. Or you can
you know on race you know NASCAR tracks. You know
you have the run off areas with some stars and
stripes looks as them. You don't even have to have
the stars and stripes like in the correct colors. You
can put like red and red and or red and

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white stars or blue stars and stripes and red white
or blue. It still feels Americans. It's quite iconic.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
If you think you can't even make the blue part purple.
For the longest time, oh really, yeah, wiki had like
the wrong blue because I guess who ever originally made
the image that went up there was looking at like
a sun faded like a faded flag because like the
US went out, the blue will turned towards purple a

(01:03:59):
little you know, still blue, but yeah, anyway, they fixed it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
So what I don't like about the I in general,
I don't like cantons, but yeah, I guess because it's
it's sort of like puts the although it's a place
of honor, blah blah blah. I know, like in the
symbolism it's important, but I don't it gets hidden more

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when the flag is not flying straight right, So I
very much prefer to not instead of a canton, just okay,
just use the whore, the whole hoist.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
As yeah, you know, the position of honor. It's just
what I did with with my redesign of Chili Chile. Yeah,
I was gonna say Chile. Is that for those that's yeah,
for those listeners who aren't able to see this right now. Basically,
what he's done with the USA is the difference between
like Chile and Texas. Now, so if Chile has like

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the flag or the star in canton, what he's done
with the chile a design or sorry, what he's done
with the US one is take all those stars and
just move them all down to the side like Texas's flag. Yeah,
and you've also done that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
There are two reasons for Chile and with Chile changed
the like the cliche five pointed star with a with
a Mapuche like yeah, start it starts because okay, I
probably it has something to do with the native Chi Chileans,

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so that would be cool. Now it looks more like
the flag of Texas. But you know, Chile is a
Chile is a sovereign states, Texas is and so go
to bed Texas. Yeah and okay, so the for the U.
S flag, I put all the stars towards them to
hoist instead of only the canton. And also because if

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you were to add Greenland as a state for Canada
and you have a fifty one star state, like, there's
no good way to put those fifty arrange those fifty
one stars in like the sort of square ish it
just doesn't work with the numbers. So well, if you
have well is there maybe there is, but not not

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nice symmetrical that works nice with the with the rectangular.
So what I tried to do, I said, okay, let's
add stars. I think it's easier to add the stars
on a like on a rectangular background where you're you
have more liberty with how with the width of it,

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and we're all fifty one star.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
So Also an argument why I think the US flag
shouldn't have it in the in the canton and the
canton is because well, if you have the stars all
the ways towards the flag pole, you have more live
take with the width and with the size of the stars.
Fifty one stars my example, it has five rows where

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it's uh I count one, two, three, five, six.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Well imagine just ten ten, eleven, ten, ten, ten exactly.
That's good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Ten ten, eleven, ten ten. I think that one looks
less bad than it would if you would arrange it
in a similar way on the squarish canton. Yeah, I
think otherwise you'd have to take more freedom with make
a circular element. But I don't think circles inside squares work.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
So yeah, yeah, people they like that. Yeah, And I
was gonna say people were pretty opinionated on that one. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Also, American flag quite iconic, so it's a strange thing
to change.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Yeah, So that what do you think of it? You
American of the redesign? I mean, I prefer the current flag.
I gotta say, but I think, like you know, a
lot of that's just like environmental factors, growing up with it,
et cetera. Anyone who listens to this knows I'm not

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like the biggest fan of the American flag, so it's
not an issue necessarily with that. But I don't know.
But I don't mind a Canton element as much as
as much as you do. So yeah, I like it,
though I mean it's still undeniably American or unmistakably American.
I guess you would say if I saw this, I

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would assume it was like a stylized version of the
flag for like we keep going back to, like some
kind of sporting event thing. You could turn it like
vertically and it, I don't know, it could look like
a shield almost, you could do. You could do a
lot with it, which is I guess to the credit
of the current flag, because you could do a lot
with it too. I don't know. It's growing on me

(01:08:55):
the more I'm staring at it on my screen, though,
I will say, that, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
What don't you have like lots of like us and seals,
you know, with the eagle and you have the shield
and then you have the stars, on the on the
whole top.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess that's why I'm looking at
it that way kind of. So I I I think
this h.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
This vote, it got more, it got more. What do
you say, it got more beating than it deserved.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
I think, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
But also it's a it's an iconic flag, so you
don't you don't need to change.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
I just thought it was fine. Oh yeah, for sure.
I'm looking at the clock. We yeah, what do you
what would you like to get into your here?

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Let's just continue some it's a little thing and we'll
skip family if if we don't have time, we can go,
we can continue quicker.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Okay, all right, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
The other worst worst flags were Uruguay, which I changed
into into a It's it's the same flag if you're
a guy with the with the white and blue stripes.
I just changed the white and dark blue stripes into
light blue and black. Why because the Uruguay football jerseys

(01:10:21):
are in that color scheme and I think they look
very Uruguay in And that was yeah, it's again, I
just reimagined what it would look like. It's not a
bad flag. I didn't even change the star in the
or the sun in the canton.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Trying to look closely and see if you had No
I didn't. I just thought it was that this was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
But yeah, if one flag deserves to be last, I
think it's this one because I put very little thought into.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
It other than yeah, this one was just a color.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
The only thing I know about Uruguay is like, there
are great football nation. Although being like three million people
living there, so you see those that you know the
sky blue and black color scheme quite a lot, and
I was like, okay, that would make the to me,
being on a different continent, the flag would look more

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your way. So it deservedly got a lot of hate. Also,
the flag of Brazil got people didn't like.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
I don't understand why. I think this one is better.
I yeah, this is what the Brazilian flag looks like
at a distance anyway, Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Yeah, so so yeah, that's sort of my take. If
you can't see it this since and if you draw
a cartoon and you would draw the flag, you would
skip the stars.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
And the motto. Yeah, that's why I move.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
It's not even a redesign, it's more of a simplification,
the easiest of simplifications. I just put it out because
it needed to be. You said, yeah, people didn't like
They think, oh yeah, but it's cool with the stars
and you have the interesting symbolism with the constellations of
what real the sky of Real de Geniro looked like mirrored. Yeah,

(01:12:09):
at the time of signing of constitution and it wasn't
even right. And yeah, okay, since then, I think put
that put that on a.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Coat of arms around the seal. This just doesn't belong
on a flag.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
But yeah, people think, but it's not a bad flag
because the rest is so cool, you know, and here
the circle and the diamond works, so yeah, we love around.
You don't need to change it. So for for it
to be iconic, you don't need to change it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
But it's just that the stars and the lettering just
don't contribute. So why.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
I also want to say, I'm sad that Swati got
some uh got a lot of hate.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
It's got only a third of the votes. I was
quite surprised. What you need because I I think yours
is I like your yours better on that one as well.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
Yeah, so the flag of Espotini, if you don't have
that in mind, it's uh, imagine again the flag of Spain,
but on top and bottom it's blue, and then the
middle it's red, and then you have sort of a
yellow stripes in between those contrast, and then you have
the black and white shield with some spears and it's cool.
It's got this, oh spears or a shield. That's cool, yes,

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but you know, it's it's sort of like putting a
coat of arms on your flag.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
It's you don't you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Don't need the actual shield, you know, you can. Just
what's cool about it is that you sort of you
know it's it's a shield made from cowskin. That's why
it's used in in that culture. So okay, but then
you adapt that motif and you put it onto the
rectangle part of the flag.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
So I took the shield. Sorry. I was gonna say,
go to the image where they're both like flying. I
think this is one of the ones that like just
the next image, but I think this is one of
the ones that shows the difference the most to me
on your next slide there where yeah, yeah, that to

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me is makes a huge difference. I like that and
fare I don't hate, well, yeah, I don't hate the
original one. It's some I think Dave from Flag Session
it's like one of his favorite flags. I know they
talked about it a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
But yeah, well a lot of people like, you know,
original stuff on flags. Yeah, I think it's overrated because
I want to be striking a distance. It's still originally
you know, it has and it has some deep meaning,
you know, there is the symbolism is important because okay,
it's the shield that this culture that I don't remember

(01:14:48):
used on their on their on their shields. But yeah,
but then I just take the cowskin and put it
on the flag, you know, and then then you can
sort of have this weird thing, you know because in
between the black and yellow parts, not the black and
white part, you have these sort of squeals because it's
sort of the cow's.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Skin, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Yeah, every cows different spots. So I can imagine, oh,
cool thing about the Sutinian flag, you know, the part
that or the border between the black and white. It
could be different on every flag, just to say, okay,
it's from a different cow.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Blah blah blah, that would be cool.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
That could be a cool thing. You know, it's not standardized.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
It's not standardized or even like a different Yeah in.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
This party, I just took the vector file ie stretch it.
It could be different. So yeah, I thought it was
a shame that that got a lot of there's got
a lot of downvotes because people think it's cool with
the spirit on the flag. It is, but I think
the more you think about it, the more you think

(01:15:50):
about it and like what a flag should have and
not only being like a cool poster on your wall.
I think you should really consider my my redesign.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
All right, Yeah, should we talk about some of the
top flags? I think so let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
Yeah, let's sell, let's jump. I want to talk about Yeah,
we talked about Chili Chile, and we talked about some
maintenance montserrats. I was quite pleased with that. Uh A
fun thing about the Monserrat redesign. Let's just find it,
ah Monserrat redesign. It got seventy from the votes preferred

(01:16:35):
my redesign. And that's not weird because well it's just
the original flag is just a blue ones in with
the weird small coat of arms with an Irish lady
I did for this one, Yeah, Irish lady. So the
flag is mostly green because okay, our Irish heritage. If
you see the football jerseys again of monserrat they're greed. Okay,

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so let's just use that as a as the color.
And instead of having the Union jack in the in
the canton, I imagine, okay, let's just put it all
the way towards the hoist so that the rest of
the flag is still a rectangular, just a RECTI you can,
you have more space to do more striking things.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
You hate And what I did here, I really hate
the canton is it's just in the way. It is
very similar to what you did with the US one
as far as like taking that and kind of flipping
it vertically and then pushing it toward the hoist, like
you can see the same. Yeah, these are definitely from
the same designer basically. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
And so what I imagine is, okay, it would be
fun to do all those like colony flags, all the
countries with the nations with the non sovereign nations with
a union jack in their canton, and reimagine them in
this tile where you have the okay, the the the

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Union jack flipped towards the hoist just to show allegiance
I guess to the British Empire. It's weird, but still okay,
and in colors that are not red, white and blue,
just because you are you're still your own entity that
can have your own color scheme. And then you have
the rest, like the rest of the three quarters of
the flag still as a rectangle. You can do whatever

(01:18:22):
you want with it. For this Monterrat, I just put
three yellow stripes because well, I imagine that it's the
harp from the coat of arms. It's that I with
a harp. So it's the strings of the harp. And
you get a three because past, present, future, whatever, three ethnicities.
I don't know how many there are there, but you

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can add four, you can add five, doesn't matter. And
if you were to become independent, you're removed like the
innermost part of the flag wof and you just go
all now we're a green flag with the yellow stripes.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Yeah, that's what I imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
So people agree with me that this my redesign is
a lot better. However, I also had and I had
a look at oh what flags. If you wanted to
say what was the worst redesign?

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
Uh, then well.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Albania no Montserrat was voted as my the ugliest redesign
of mine. Just compare which redesigns you dislike the most,
not compared to the actual flag, but together they just
disliked the Union jack on the side. I don't think
they thought it looked messy. I don't disagree with him.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
But it's funny though that it can be better than
the current one but still not very well liked in
the in the grand scheme. Yeah, yeah, that is interesting.
The USA, it was the one it beat out, which
was another like as previously mentioned, another one you took
the canton and made it, you know, kind of like

(01:19:59):
what you did.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
People don't like that clearly, Okay, and my best redesign well,
Saudi Arabia came to the final, which flag and two
LU which we haven't.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
Talked about yet, So let's talk about that. Yeah, let's
that might have to be as well up to you
as far as time, but yeah, I want to make
sure we get to this one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
That's the last one. And yeah, people like that the
most thought that was better than the original, which I
think it's a good thing because this is a really
ugly flag with yeah, with canton.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
It's also just some nine stars. It's it's similar to
monts Rats in that. Yeah, like you just said, it's
got the Union flag up in Canton and those two. Yeah,
I think those two just had the easiest opponents, Like
their original flags aren't very good, hence ninety two to
eight percent seventy two to twenty eight from monts rat.

(01:20:56):
But yeah, I mean, yeah, weaker opponent means stronger results.
Also here, Yeah, this was.

Speaker 2 (01:21:07):
You know, it wasn't really a fair game because well
it was. It's an ugly actual flag. And actually for
this redesign, there was some thought more more than just rearranging,
as most of the most of the flags in the
in the middle tier and.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
The bottom tier were yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
So hair, yeah, he hair is just if you imagine
sort of like the flag of the Seychelles HM, with
stripes growing from a point, and that point instead of
being like in one of the corners, it's from the
middle of the hoist.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
So there are.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Just as the main color scheme of the actual flag
sky blue and yellow, there are just sky blue and
yellow stripes growing from a single point. It looked shelly.
It looks sort of an exotic tropical maybe because of
the sey shells.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
It was cool.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
The colors I kept, like the main the actual colors
of the you know the rest of the actual flag,
which is kind of and yellow and also quite fun detail.
On the actual flag, there are four of the flags
are faced up and five of them are faced down
or the other star.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
Muhm, let's see.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
One, two, three, two, four, four up, five are down,
and so now there are four yellow stripes and five
blue stripes.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Just to keep that. I think it's for the number
of inhabited islands or islands. I think that's the thought,
or maybe four of the inhabited to ones are faced
up in inhabit there are nine nine trips for nine
islands or nine stars for nine islands, And I just
kept that in the I thought it was cool and
it's sort of original on the star Reddit not far. Yeah,

(01:22:58):
when just researching the.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
Your redesign, have you ever seen the Soviet Air Force flag?
Because your redesign like reminds me a lot of that,
so I think mostly.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Likes oops air force flag. Oh nice, Yeah, okay, I
can see where I can see where I can see
where you get it from. Yeah, oh that was a
cool thing. But I would yeah, I would redesign this
with removing all the wh air Force I know you want,

(01:23:37):
yeah wings, but you get that from the you know
this growing stripes from the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
You know, yeah, you're also like it also like kind
of if you squint, or you don't even really have
to squint, it kind of looks like an arrow pointing
toward the hoist, at least to me, Like if I.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Was wondering, maybe I should put in the other like
have the point on the other side, because you know,
it's it's on the far east. I think it's like
on the east if you if you, or it's west
of the dateline, so it's like on the east of.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
The on the on them on the planets.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Fair.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
I get why you did it this way though, I
mean that, but I think it Yeah, all right, cool.
These were my redesigns.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
I've made some others because usually what I what I
do is, you know, this is my thing on Instagram.
I do my flag reviews. You know, I follow this
Norwegian geography podcast. When there's an episode about Cuba, I
put out a flag review of the episode of the
flag of Cuba.

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
Yeah, remember we talked about that next week.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Usually, you know, there are like two double episodes. So
if I dislike the flag, I would redesign it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
So I have done.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
I haven't done East t Moor as I redesigned where
I just yeah, I just changed the proportions of it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
I think it looks better.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
I've done Slovakia where I've yeah, put the coat of arms.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
I took them them big. I really like that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
I'm quite happy with. Oh, Guatemala, I thought it was cool.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
Which is uh, yeah, I hadn't really clicked into that one.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
Yeah, uh Guatemala, Yeah, that was quite cool. I just
imagine sort of the the map, you know, it has
the diagonal stripes and and the like the bottom or
left and right triangle or like the Pacific and Atlantic Ocean,
and then you have the the rainforests stripe from green,

(01:25:49):
and the coffee beans and black.

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
Coffee, okay, and volcanoes and I don't know what the.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
Last word is, uh southwest in the southwest and yeah,
So this is the thing. So the idea for this
redesign ad then calendar actually came as I want to
put out all the redesigns I've already done, but I
won't be able to put in this following this format

(01:26:17):
because the Geography podcast episodes have already been so there
won't be another. So I won't get the chance to
redesign Croatia, right, so I just I put all of them.
So there are a few re designs that I haven't
been able to do because they haven't made. They haven't
made the Monaco episode yet, for instance.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
I mean, I just I just like the Lozenge version,
a version of their plas well. You don't have to
go very far. That will just be.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
So all the countries I chose were because there's already
been an episode of.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
Yeah, I was wondering how you picked them, so yeah,
I didn't even have to I picked them. Yeah. All right, Cool,
that's all the time we have for this part. We
will have one more ad break right now, come back
and we'll have a little bit more with Frederick. So
stick around, all right, and we are back final short

(01:27:27):
little part three here at the end, more with Frederick
and Yeah, as discussed, I'm gonna let you take the lead,
but we are talking now about the flag he designed
for my wife and.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
I yeah, exactly, I wanted to doesn't really fit with
the theme of the episode of the redesigns, but I
thought it'd be interesting since we talked about that last time.
Family flags and the process behind making your flag. Now
that was before your wedding, and we had all this
I remember saying, I imagined all these things. Oh, how
can you use the flag in like to seem your wedding?

(01:27:59):
I just want to know how that worked out, uh
a little, and they left this episode.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
It worked out fantastically. So we I guess, like first
and foremost, like, we had a color scheme that I
think is like called dark jewel tones, So it's a
bunch of like darker greens, darker yellows, purples, black. Obviously
Katie's dress ended up being black, which I did not
know at the time. I wasn't allowed to, but oh

(01:28:30):
I had Yeah, So I mean first things first, you know,
but I had like these little like stick flag desk
flags made, uh, I think like one hundred of them
or something like that, And near the end, we gave
one to everyone that was at the wedding, and we
kind of did these like you know, photo shoots basically

(01:28:51):
where Katie and I walked down the aisle that like
everyone has made with their bodies and they're all just
like waving these flags around. Yeah, that was very cool.
We got a lot of cool stuff out of that.
See what else. Oh yeah, Like I was talking about
the color scheme, so I was not sure up until
like three days before what color tie I was gonna wear.

(01:29:14):
Obviously had my suit and everything else. But as I
was looking for ties for my groomsmen, I saw one.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
That is like this exact yellow, Like, yeah, because your
flag is yellow, yellow, black and white.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
That's the that's the car scheme. Yes, yellow ye listeners
for a second, but yeah, yellow, black and white. Yeah,
we're talking more about the use than the symbolism here.
But yeah, so I finding a tie. My suit was black, obviously,
my shirt was white, so I had these exact three
colors that I was wearing. Katie was wearing black, which

(01:29:49):
is on there that the.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Black was for her, you know, that was the that
was I thought the black was chosen specifically. But she
has this goth tasting, so yeah, just just fits.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Yeah, yeah, for more more gothy tastes exactly, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
But then, but this is what I was hoping for,
you know that you I think I might have suggested
in last episode that yeah, you could wear.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
A yellow tie. Yeah, I think you probably did. If
I didn't do it live, I did it, like but
then but yeah, that all works perfectly. And then I
was just gonna say, uh, viewers can see it and
listeners will just have to trust me. But back here
in my background, I've got like a full three by
five size flag that Michael from Flags were Good, Uh

(01:30:36):
printed for me. And then instead of a guest book,
we had like markers on the table and everybody signed
and wrote like a short little message in the white
hexagon that's kind of not going at the center. It's offset,
but at the center of the design, I would say, anyway.
And so we integrated it greats in a lot of places,

(01:30:57):
and Katie was cool with it. She loved it, especially
given the color scene and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
So I saw an image of Tara Tara's haircut, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
Oh god that I meant to mention that, and then
usual thing happened where my brain or my mouth just Taras.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
Stark has made famous by the keystone flag.

Speaker 1 (01:31:16):
Yes, yeah, so Ta Stark. I'm sure she won't mind.
I'll put a picture up here for the viewers and
probably in the show notes. But yeah, she she usually
has like the side of her head like kind of
I don't know, buzz pretty close, and so yeah, she
did this. The element that we were talking about, the hexagon,
and then the kind of like six rays going out

(01:31:37):
from it as like the side of her head, which
was so cool.

Speaker 5 (01:31:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
I was like a little drunk the first night and
I was telling her how cool it was. And then
the next day that was before the way, like a
day before, and then the next day I was like, oh, Tara,
that's so cool. She's like, yeah, you told me.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
I was like, all right, you should get that compliment twice.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
It's still really cool. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, No, that was
that was touching. That was very cool. So yeah, it
did its job in style. It was fun designing it too.
Do you mind if I put up some of the
old design, some of the little like things you did
on Snapchat? If you don't want me to, I won't,

(01:32:18):
but go for it. The process is interesting. The process
was very interesting. Like if we could just briefly touch
on that. Frederic sat down just like just like this video.
I don't know what I was trying to say with that.
Basically we were on cameras and you were in Norway.
But he sat down with my wife and I fiance

(01:32:39):
at the time, and just like banged out a few
questions like, all right, what are things that are important
to you personally? What are things that are important to
you guys together? Colors obviously, like Katie had a kind
of high school goth das I guess which is where
the black comes from. The white hexagon is because it
is one of those questions you asked about what we

(01:33:00):
like to do together, and it's actually what I'm doing
immediately after this recording is playing D and D Dungeons
and Dragons. So there's a twenty sided die in that
game that, if you were to represent it in two D,
would look like this hex Then it's harder because it's vertical.
But basically the line, the vertical line that by set

(01:33:22):
well that goes into and out of the hexagon. If
you look to toward the fly there, the two diagonals
look like a K for Katie, And if you just
take the diagonals on their own, that's Asaltaire, which is Saltier,
which is also Saint Andrew's Cross. So Andrew, We've got Katie,

(01:33:43):
We've got the colors. This was a happy little accident.
But I was messing around with colors. I told you
about this, but I was messing around with colors. Just
as far as like hex codes, and I ended up
on one that was FFC four two A, So FFC
flagged for common forty two. It's like a Hitchhiker's guide reference.

(01:34:04):
That's the meaning or the answer to life, the universe
and everything, which we'll actually get back into in a
second briefly. And A I guess for Andrew, I don't know,
but FFC four to two A is the yellow, and yeah,
I think other than the forty two that covers it,
the forty two is the coolest part to me. But
this is also we were we were talking about like

(01:34:26):
meaning versus like how important is the meaning at least
over time? But this is still something that's very cool
to me. The yellow makes up exactly forty two percent
of the flag's surface area. So that is another shout
and a genius master stroke from Frederic to do that.
Genius yam took some mass to figure out. Okay, yeah,

(01:34:51):
but we can. I think that's a cool thing for
the thing to end on. Just okay.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
Yeah, So we're talking about the symbolism we like and
it's a fun story to tell. However, I think if
if you just now that you like your flag, and
if you just forgot about the symbolism. I think you
would still like it, you know, you wouldn't want to
change it. Or if we said, oh, let's let's make

(01:35:18):
this slightly narrow or wider because of the it would
make some other symbolism like now let's just keep it.
I like it the way it is, Yeah, but just
to justify that it was chosen like that. It was
important to have the symbolism, but now it's not as important.
It's more like sprinkles on top. It works in its
own rights because you know, Okay, you had the you

(01:35:39):
you could you had the tie colors or your your
your suit and tie color scheme.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
It worked. You had the sy cut from Tyrostaric. Oh,
it works.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
It's adaptable, it's cool. Uh And the yeah symbolism is
is sprinkles. Yeah, but you know it's important to sell
it and.

Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
Yeah, no that one episode, Yeah, well off off your
one point or basically to sum all that up too.
Like I consistently say that this is one of my
favorite flags, just full stop, like favorite. You know, you
can include cities, states, countries, all that. This is one
of my favorite flags. And the main reason it's one

(01:36:20):
of my favorite flags is because I just love looking
at it. I'm not, as we mentioned, thinking about the
forty two all the time, thinking about the hecks. I
just love seeing it fly. I love having, you know,
little versions that I have of it. It's just I
think it's just very visually appealing. So it's a cool thing.

(01:36:40):
I thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
I like it as well.

Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
Thank you. One of my favorites designs. In short.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
Yeah, it looks cool, it has I think it works
in well, it works in black and whites.

Speaker 1 (01:36:53):
You know, it works as a as a pattern. I
forget the word again. Yeah, like the text you said,
like Tara's tera starks, like side cut, like her hair
is all the same color. But yeah, you know it
works and it's clear, you know what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
It gives it And although you're a great guy, you're
not as great as You're not that great that you
could pull off your own try color.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
No, that would be a bit presumptuous. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah.
I couldn't be more thrilled with with where we ended
up on this.

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
But yeah, yeahs as a as a side note, I
just if the viewers didn't notice that our little name
tags in the bottom left are in the flat color
in your family flat colors.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
That's quite Oh yeah, detail, I think yeah, yeah, yeah,
the little thing that lights up when we speak. They
won't be able to Oh yeah that's yellow as well.
Yeah yeah, they won't see that, but yeah, oh they won't. Yeah,
the studio appropriately based on the flag, like the yeah,

(01:38:03):
the color like you said four two a mm hmm.
All right, well, I know you have got you've probably
got to run.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
Right, I've gotta take care of my child. It's about Yeah,
I'm gonna. I'm gonna I'm gonna put my child to
sleep in the oh. In the non veterinary sense, I.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
Was gonna say, yeah, I assume that. Yeah, I assume
that's what you meant. All right? Cool that in English? Yeah,
can you say that put to sleep? My friend the
other day in our discord, uh said I'm gonna go
put his son's name down, which he meant like down

(01:38:45):
in parentheses to sleep, but also like if you put
a dog down, it means, you know, like put to sleep,
if you put Yeah. I was like, Doug, that seems extreme,
but you know, you do whatever you got here, and
he was like, dog made a dog choke. Hah. English
is ambiguous anyway. All right, well dude, yeah, let's get

(01:39:11):
out of here and let you go do that. Do
you have any plugs, hashtags any anywhere? We should like
follow you that even if.

Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
My Instagram at flagged Mondon. I write all my stuff
in Norwegian. But I imagined, I imagine that there's some
illustrations that you'll make my point come come through. If
you speak a little English, you can you can guess
a little. I have followed there.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
I I have fun. That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
If you ever want your own family flag, or you're
in a city committee or something and you want to
redesign your own flag, you can come talk to me.
I will, I will, I will help you out.

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
I have.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
My dream is to make a sort of a side hustle,
you know, being you know, I can get some some
commission from helping out.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
Okay, but money for me right now? Is that what
this is? No, not not for you. You're a community guy,
that's uh.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
But I would from others, but uh I put out
after in the in the plugs of the last episode
in Norwegion, so nobody has followed up on that. So
maybe I'll do it in English. You know, if you want, yeah,
to hire for flag design services. Well, I'll spend more
time on it than I did with some of these redesigns.

(01:40:38):
Although the your flag was it didn't take too much time.
Like once you get the good idea, yeah, it comes,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
You just need to work until you get the good idea.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
You can. Yeah, you can put uh, you're gonna put
out some of the earlier drafts in the in the
show notes.

Speaker 1 (01:40:53):
Yeah, and you'll and you'll be able to tell kind
of what the process was because like in the beginning,
there's like so many hexagons and then eventually there's a
bit fewer, and then we ended up where we ended up.
But yeah, all right, cool, Well, yeah, go follow Frederic
on his Instagram. Check out the hashtag as well. That
will be up on screen and in the notes as

(01:41:13):
far as the show goes. You know where to follow
us most likely, but maybe you're a new viewer or listener.
You can find all of our handy links over at
our link tree, which is just linktree dot com slash
flagged for content, all spelled out. Everything is there, including
a link to get in our discord, which Frederic is
also in. There's a lot of us to chat in
there about flags, sports, what have you, and anywhere with

(01:41:38):
an at sign. We are at flagged four content for
like the number. I think that is pretty much it
time to close out. But you're not going to believe
this third time in a row I've recorded with you
and I don't have a way to close us out.
Is there any help you can give me? I was

(01:41:59):
hoping that what I just did was the end. I
can read. I had to do my own plugs manly real.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
Listened to the last three minutes and that's my ending.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
Perfect and as always, re listen to the last three minutes.
This has been a blast. Thanks Fraider Week, Thanks viewers,
Thanks listeners. We will catch you all on our play
Thanks for having me talk to you in nineteen episodes.
Yeah yeah, I'll see you then. Take care. Flag for

(01:42:37):
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