May 9, 2025 • 58 mins
We've got NAVA All-Star Adib Altallal on this week, as we go over the ins and outs of planning the annual meetings. The next one is in Seattle, where Adib lives, so he's been "boots on the ground" trying to get NAVA 59 set up. We chat about what it takes to plan one, what it's like to attend one, and more. Plus, we talk about city flags—both their utility and where to effectively place them.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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the show out, so not a whole lot to mention here.
Up top, I was up in Indianapolis this last week,
which is why this show is a little bit later
getting out. I was helping out well, they didn't really
need that much help, but like getting the Flags for
Good store up and running, They've got a brick and
mortar now on Virginia av in Indianapolis. That is amazing
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and if you are in the area, you should go
and check it out. They have a lot of fun
little it's not your average flag store, I'll put it
that way. Yeah, a bunch of fun stuff there anyway,
not a whole lot to go into as far as
admin or you know whatever. On this episode, I sat
(01:54):
down with a deep all to loll from. Well, I've
seen him at a couple of navas. Now he's gonna
be helping, you know, run the next one. Well, the
next one's in Seattle, where he lives, and so yeah,
I thought I would sit down have a chat with
him on kind of what's going on in Seattle, what
his deal with flags is and the like. And the
(02:17):
result is the episode you're about to hear. So I
won't waste any more of your time on mindlessly talking
without a deep Let's go ahead and get on into
that part. Folks. We've got another VEX All Star on
this week. You know him from his global travels and
(02:38):
love of geography. You know him from the soccer pitch
as a coach complaining to the flag waving referees, and
you know him as a lead organizer for the upcoming
lab A fifty nine conference is a deep all to.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Long and everybody.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
How's it going, man, how are things in Seattle right now?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Going? Well? Well, there's been nice. Life is busy, but
so is everybody else's. How have you been?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yea, right, not bad? You know, trying to trying to
plan a honeymoon around the best places to get flags,
you know, which just exactly what my wife wants. She's
constantly dying to get new flags. No, no, we're good,
We're good. But yeah, no, So in Seattle, I know
(03:35):
we're going to get more into it, but is it
getting a little bit busy as far as like planning
and stuff like.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, it's getting to that stage where we got to
get stuff done, which we are. We've we've gotten some
great milestones accomplished already in the planning stage. It's starting
to be that final countdown soon.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, yeah, I And I don't know if you're on
the same chain that I am, but I know, like
normally when we resign up for NAVA, they ask like
a lot of things that you're interested in, and it
can be none as well to perspective members. But I
think I had said that I was interested in kind
(04:23):
of like member retention or something like that. So like,
pretty soon here I'm going to be reaching out to
a lot of NAVA members and being like, hey, you
should rejoin. Here's why. And there's so many reasons why
again that we'll go into, but dude, I'm just super
(04:43):
pumped for fifty nine in Seattle and everything that's going
to come along with it.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, and the more people we get, the even better
the event is.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, yeah, it always it is like, yeah, I love
to see like a big and kind of organization as
far as Navigo is like a little bit of everybody there.
But yeah, all right, so that's enough of this, sorry,
ade I have got to get into for the listeners
(05:15):
and viewers what's on the flagpole today, And they're not
going to be surprised by the first part because we have,
as always, some over and underrated flags. Adeep's gonna bless
us with both his favorite flag and his intro flag
to vexillology. We will chat about what it's like to
(05:35):
be on the NAVA Planning Committee, how to do flag
tourism while traveling, and on the Patreon If you're there,
we're gonna get into city flag displays. But first, before
we get into any of that, I like to ask
my guests what's the flag that got you into flags?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
So that takes some thinking, I believe, going all the
way back to so soccer related as you did in
the intro, and a lot of flags in soccer, And
one of my very first intros to flag and that
started the love for flags was the flag of Brazil.
(06:18):
Actually watching one of the World Cup finals back in
the day and seeing that beautiful flag and seeing all
these words that I couldn't read, and deciding I want
to draw that. I have had one of those composition notebooks,
turned it sideways and started coloring in it and drawing,
(06:39):
and realized it looks cool. I should do that more often.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, So were you into football slash soccer like before then?
I imagine you were to a point if you were
even watching.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah. I think the watching part and the flag love
part probably start it around the same time. The playing
part maybe a little before. But as you see with
the Olympics too, not just with soccer, there's flags everywhere
and it's shown in a way that is more of
(07:17):
they're proud of their flag, not this is the best
flag it's more look what flag we have?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, I mean, like when you're thinking of flags or
like flags at sporting events specifically, I always think of
like European football, like soccer, because a lot of the
fans will go out of their way to make their own,
like they will make their own flag that's maybe a
variant of an existing design but that has you know,
(07:49):
county names, player names, numbers, things like that, you know,
little emblems like what have you. When I think of
flags at sporting events, I think of soccer, and I think, well,
I was gonna say more of international soccer, but even
like like Champions League stuff, which is most of what
(08:09):
I watch if I'm watching non international, but like, yeah,
the amount of flags at these things is insane. And
the amount of people on our vexillology on Reddit being
like what the hell is this flag is correlates to that.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
So yeahsiously, Yeah, it's a it's a great environment to see,
as you said, sometimes made up flags that become iconic
enough where they get adopted by a club or they
get adopted by a fan base. Even in Seattle. We
see that at sporting events.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Oh I'm sure, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
We see Actually a different variation of the Cascadia flag
behind you combined with sounders or different. I think Portland
has a similar one too.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I bet, I bet, I'm I mean, those are iconic
colors to the region and everything. But yeah, no, so okay,
so I know we kind of skimmed over it. But
so the Brazilian flag in general at World Cup ninety
eight was that where was that one hosted? Was that
in France?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I know that was okay, yeah, I believe that was
in France and they won against Brazil.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Right, but there was just something about the Brazilian flag
they kind of like drew you in.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
It. It was a generation of one of the best
teams ever Brazil had, even though they ended up losing,
but it was they had so much talent, following the
original Ronaldo and following all these players, right, it was
just beautiful to watch. It was started as watching the
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game and then seeing all these flags, seeing the colors
their uniforms are those colors.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
And yeah, yeah, yeah, that's one thing I talk to
Frederic about and the the episode that came before this
one was like, yeah, soccer kits matching national flags or not,
and how that's you know, good and bad depending, but yeah,
one of the Brazilian things they definitely have going for
(10:20):
them is the kits match the flag, like the home
and aways really because they can and yeah, yeah, I
guess like when I think of Brazil on an international stage,
I usually do think of football. I'm not gonna lie
just because they're that's where the beautiful game originated, you
(10:44):
know and everything. So yeah, I totally get that as
an intro. Let's shift from that into your favorite then
we'll do the over and unders. So what what's your
favorite flag?
Speaker 3 (10:59):
So I'd say my favorite is somewhat actually similar in
a way to Cascadia flag. It's the Lebanese flag, and.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Oh yeah, I can see the similarities.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
It's a it's a simple one, not a lot of
different colors. But I like the cedar. It's one of
the only places it's that it grows, so it's a
very unique, iconic symbol that's on the flag. At the
same time, it's very original to the area that you
(11:33):
almost know you could guess if you didn't know what flag,
could say it's that region probably yeah, so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I mean could you because like I my only like
question on that is a lot of the other flags
in the area have pan Arab colors, and I guess
that one technically does to aside from having any kind
of black on it, which I don't know is if
that's technically one of them or not, but I know
(12:05):
you see it on a lot of them. Yeah, the
the Libyan flag is it reminds me of kind of
if the Canadian flag were instead of vertical stripes, if
it were horizontal stripes, and then instead of a maple leaf.
You know, it's a different obviously in this case, the
(12:27):
tree Lebanese, not Libyan Lebanese. Jesus Christ. And I'm so
sorry that I said that, yes Lebanes. No, Yeah, I
was picturing the correct flag and saying the wrong one.
But yeah, like it is a very unique I think
it's a very unique design, especially even for that area.
(12:51):
I agree with what you said, like it does harken
to that area, but it's it differentiates itself, which is
I don't know which is I think I think a
plus and.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I think part of yeah, I think part of maybe
why you accidentally said Libya green is one of the
very distinct colors that's missing from the Lebanese flags, And
I don't is the tree green, isn't it. I having
a hard.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Time picturing it.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Is it green or black?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I think it's green, but.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I guess as a tree, it's a natural green. It's
not just an added stripe or background, right, it's a
more natural fit.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yeah, instead of a stripe or a chevron or something.
It's a physical depiction. It's a charge basically, for lack
of a better word, that's set there in the middle. Yeah, no,
for sure, All right? Cool? We gone Brazil, We gone
Lebanon slash Libya. We talked a little bit about let's
(14:02):
go into I usually let my guest pick over or
underrated first, go in whichever order you'd like.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
I think i'll start with overrated. I'm gonna say the
British flag. I think what I know it may be
a little controversial. I think it has a lot of
good flags, a lot of older flags within it, but
(14:32):
it's just a collection of other flags that were juxtaposed
and put together and have been so overused. You see
in all these British territories. You see it on even
some of the independent that used to be British territories,
or some that don't even have anything to do with
(14:54):
Britain like Hawaii.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Right, Yeah, they were like chummy with the British East
India Company or something, and that's why it's on there.
I don't quote me on that, but it's something Yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
I think, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I's gonna say. I think mostly it's the overuse of
it that it hasn't changed and it's not really original
rather than a collective of great flags that were combined
and overused.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, it comes up a lot on the show as
an overrated, as does the American flag. And I think
in a lot of cases it's because of what you
just said. It's like the overuse of it, not just
like where it flies, but like on other things. I
(15:50):
guess more so in the British flagcase than the American one,
but like just the overuse kind of leads to an
eye roll of sorts, like in like okay, yeah, I
get it, you used to be British or okay, yes,
I get it. Every other neighbor that I have is American. Sure, great,
(16:12):
you know Yeah, that one usually breaks down to me
as an overused. So like I think, based on like
going off what you said, it is based on good flags,
but it's been kind of cobbled together a little bit,
and even to cobble it together, they had to use
a Northern Irish flag that is not necessarily like accepted
(16:38):
in Northern Ireland. So even that's kind of like a
well because we said so type thing. And I don't know, man, Like,
it's tough for me because I do think it's a
good flag, but I also think, like you think that
it's overused. I do think it could do a better
job incorporating the things it should actually corporate. And I
(17:03):
mean for both those reasons, I would skew toward you
and also call it overrated.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
I don't know, it's tough.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, it's tough because I mean, you know, it's tough
especially if like for us in Nava, on the planning
committee everything else, you know, like we're we're pretty far
into it. It's tough to even pick an overrated or
an underrated flag sometimes, like I know, I sent this
missive to you a few like a week or maybe
(17:35):
even less ago. But yeah, it's tough to pick because
we have to pick things like the British flag that
are everywhere but also overrated, which I guess go hand
in it. I don't know, I'm talking myself into a
corner here. Uh, unless you have anything more on the
UK flag, I'd love to go into your underrated.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I think the last comment I'll say is it's hard
to pick an over rated flag just nobody knows, so
it has to be popular enough to be possibly overrated,
so it narrows the field a lot.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah. Yeah, the underrated is always like, is always easier
because it's like which one is not getting enough shine
because nobody's talking about it, whereas these ones everyone's talking about.
But yeah, you're overrated or you're underrated, rather is super interesting.
I love this flag.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
It's the flag of Caravas and it's a kind of
a busy I guess it's not necessarily what somebody might
call perfect flag, but I love it. I love how
it seems iconic. It's a very tiny place, but the
designer definitely went above and beyond. The beautiful waves you have.
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You don't just have a sun you have a sunset
or a sun rise. Feels like it's in action, something's happening.
There's I think a bird flying by or some kind
of something's going on as well, so it's it's more
of just a static piece of cloth. It's a it's
a dynamic, almost cinematic set piece.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Now, dude, that is such a good way to put it,
Like a flag in action and dynamic like you just said. Yeah, yeah,
because like we think of flags, especially in this day
and age, as static things on like a screen or
on your phone or what you know, and even to
(19:41):
see the carabout's flag waving like is one very special.
But when you start to think about it in those
terms that you just laid out, like, yeah, it only
serves to help, like it only helps the flag like
it is a bird flying, it is the waves waving.
(20:02):
The sun, like you said, can be interpreted either way, sunset, sunrise, whatever.
I'm sure they have an official way that they designated,
but like to the viewer, you can view it either way.
And yeah, I think there's definitely something to be said
about a flag in motion like that. Yeah, very cool.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah, Yeah, colors are a plus, but it has a
lot more than just the colors.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, what's it got? Like four colors
if you count white and yellow. Yeah, sounds right, so
I guess yeah, Like I don't know, Yeah, there definitely
is something too to that kind of whole idea of
a flag in motion. I do like that, all right?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Cool?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Well, yeah, anything else on caravats or any of the
previously mentioned.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I feel like the flag has gotten it on my
list of places to want to visit one day.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
So yes, and we're going to talk about that a
lot more too, which leads me into an ad break.
We are going to take a brief ad break here.
We are going to come back more with a deep
We're going to talk a lot about Nava, and I
say the rest of that till part three, so stick
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around to be right back. All right back, SAIDs. We
are back part two with a deep all to lull,
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and we were going to figure out kind of a
lot of Nava stuff before we get too far into
Nava fifty nine. I think a lot of like new
Slash prospective members would be interested in your journey in
Nava in general, like when and how you signed up
(22:14):
and go from there.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah, that's it's an interesting story. When I first started,
I actually did not know Nava as an organization existed.
Then I didn't know anybody that really liked flags, at
least not to the level that I did. So I
remember the very first time I found Nava online. I
(22:40):
was actually doing a trivia for work and I need
they needed like, what's what's your one liner, What's something
you would rag ideally in your area of expertise. I
was like that something with flag lover exollologist. Like, oh,
that's a good word. I don't know how to spell it.
(23:03):
So I went to Google put it in as I thought,
is spelled look like I was missing an L and
a I. But for the most part it was good.
But what's interesting, The very first result at the time
a few years ago was Nava. So I opened it
and had the full name spelled out and the result
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as well. So I opened that, Oh, that's an organization
that exists, and start reading about it. Oh, there's other people,
there's a board, there's a membership. They get send you
a magazine monthly and the orderly. Yeah, so it's several
publications and that's just the printed parts that you get.
(23:47):
And that was awesome. Oh there's people that like almost
exactly what I like, and they're publishing stuff on it.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, that's the most fascinating part is like the and
I'm sure like every you know nerd in any like community,
whether big or small, kind of has that moment or whatever,
but it the oh there are other people that like
what I like moment is so huge for us in vexillology,
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especially because I remember signing up for NAVA and being like,
do I do I want to like bother, like, do
I care this much about flags? Like do I really
want to you know, read like the the raven and
the Vexillums and everything they come? And I was like, yeah, yeah,
(24:37):
I think I do because I'm already somewhat interested. Why
not figure out a little bit more about it? But yeah,
it's always weird getting into a new organization I guess,
or association in this case. But you, I mean like
you've kind of I won't say like risen through the
(25:00):
but like you've you've made like a name for like
people know who Adeeb is at this point, and to
the point where you're even like kind of helping to
plant or planning the Seattle one, right, one.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Of the leads for the post committee and on the
planning committee. But it all started with taking a chance.
My first conference that I attended was the COVID one
and it was virtual.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Oh yeah I hear that one.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah, I was I remember sitting taking break from work
and I took half a Friday off or something sad
and bead like, oh, this is interesting, and started listening
to some of the intros and lectures like, oh this
is this is cool stuff. Maybe some some stuff aren't
(25:53):
as interesting, but it's all related to one overarching interesting topic.
So that was my introduction. I loved it, like I
need to go next year. I had to, and I
and I did. I knew nobody. I remember signing up
for a dorm because I thought maybe I'll meet some
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people there. It was one of the accommodations that provide Yeah,
and I didn't get a hotel. I stayed in a
school and rented a car to make it over there
from the airport. And it was difficult, as with any
weather conference or annual event that you don't know anybody at,
(26:36):
meeting people, especially for an introvert like me. It was
not easy. Sure, and I got to meet one person,
and then it's a small community, so that one person
introduced me to two other people and just kind of
grew right.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I was going to say, that's that tends to be
how it goes at those meetings, is like, uh so
was your first in person one Saint Augustine or a
Philly Saint Augustine, Saint Aggus. That was the I think
that was the one. Like I had just signed up
like a month before that. My now wife got me
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the like guest packet, like the one where if you
can't actually go, we'll give you this stuff anyway. It's
like I've got the pen and everything from it in
the little flag and all that stuff, but didn't actually
get to go. But okay, so that was your first one? Yeah,
first in person? Like what are the I mean, I
(27:32):
know what my feelings were going in to my first
in person were event were, but what do you like?
What are you thinking? What are you feeling going into
your first in person one? I think a lot of
perspective members would like to know.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
I was very nervous. I didn't know anybody. Again. One
of the first events preb lecture, President's Address, I think
on Friday evening when you first arrived before the weekend
kicks off and I went there. I don't know anybody,
but I guess there's free food, free drinks. But we'll
(28:10):
find somebody while we're snacking and slowly saw oh people
came dressed in flag related where I didn't even think
about that when they came to the first conference.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah, I didn't think of that at fifty seven either.
I brought a little bit at fifty eight, and I'm
probably going to bring more to fifty nine. But I
know what you mean, like everybody's like hard into this
for sure, like the young's, the olds, like everybody. Yeah. No,
it was fun so so all right, so that was
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fifty What that was fifty six? I guess in St.
Augustine would have been yeah, yeah, yeah, what like I mean,
pretty brief span of time. What got you to kind
of you know, planning to help, you know, co planning?
(29:11):
NA have a fifty nine in Seattle?
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah, So the association is mostly based on volunteers. The
membership is fairly cheap. I think it's pretty cheap that
you can't really pay anybody based on that. So almost
I think everybody, not almost everybody is a volunteer. They're
dedicating their own time. Sure, And I love being involved.
(29:35):
I love seeing how it's done, seeing if I can
help and nobody does it perfectly the first time. And
I've gone to so many conferences in my professional career
that I've helped plan some of those conferences in the past,
and I was luckily able to talk to some of
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the people that are involved in the Planning Committee and
they're always happy to invite pretty much everybody. I think
the public is allowed to attend. Yeah, but it's it's
a teamwork, a lot of it. Again, when you're volunteering,
you can't do everything on your own because your time
is limited. So it's who's delegating, who's doing what, who's
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doing it? When can you meet those deadlines? And then
the that it's not instant gratification, but that feeling, the
rewarding feeling at the end when you've worked for several
months to see things come together, see people from across
the country and international participants as well, helping volunteering, and
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then it comes together. It's great, everybody's happy. You get
all that positive feedback story. Rewarding.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, I can guarantee you're gived you like ten times
that when it's in Seattle and like there and everything
and you've helped so much to plant and everything. Yeah. Man, Yeah,
I mean as a NAVA member, couldn't thank you enough,
even well even Slash, especially as a fellow planner. Like
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I said earlier, like I just have to kind of
figure out the tech side. You have to do a
lot more than that, part of which includes picking slash
helping design the flag for the event, which for viewers,
I've got over my left shoulder here. Now this is
(31:33):
but I'll ask you, actually, is this the current design
for the NAVA fifty nine flag.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
This is the current design. I don't think it will change, Okay,
but it's fairly simple. I think most people could probably
guess that is the space needle to represent the iconic skyline. Yeah,
symbol for the rest of it.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
The listeners, Do you want to go ahead and like
describe it in you know, flag terms, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah, absolutely, So you have right under that symbol, you
have the big V going right through the entire flag,
and that's a not of vexillology. It's also not to
the NAVA flag that has the V almost in the
same location. And then at the top you have the
(32:28):
blue for the sky, but it's also for the Seattle
flag that's mostly a similar blue, right, and then the
green is for the mountains, it's for the rainforest nearby,
it's for the greenery that surrounds the Seattle area.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, and I figure like it. It's not the exact
same shades, but it takes kind of cues from the
Cascadia flag that viewers will see and listeners can look up.
But basically it's a horizontal tricolor that's dark green, white,
darkish blue and has a is that a it's not
(33:11):
a pine tree, I guess is a pine It's it's
a coniferous tree. Let's just put it at that in
black that kind of like goes through all three stripes
and yeah, this like kind of pays homage to that
as far as the colors, and then has the iconic
like the one thing you think of when you think
(33:32):
of Seattle other than Nirvana or something is, yeah, the
space needle right here. It is the official flag, I guess.
At this point of NAVI fifty nine, if you follow
us on Instagram, I am always playing this game called
Fresh Flags. I have two extra of these to give
(33:55):
away as prizes. I would love to get these out here.
I would love to get these out to NAVA members
or prospective NAVA members, anyone who wants to come, anyone
who's just elated by the idea, come and play Fresh
Flags on our Instagram and you could win one of these. Hell,
I'll even sign it. I didn't design it, but I'll
(34:18):
sign like the you know, the hoist part or something. Anyway. Yeah,
So what can we, as NAVA members new and old,
expect from the conference in Seattle? Like, what are we
going to see there? What are we going to do there?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah, we always have a tour and that's one of
the things in the planning committee that we've been working on.
I think we've gotten that barely confirmed. I think I
can say that Mohai is going to be the Museum
of History and Industry see is going to be on
(35:00):
that list. It's going to be a pretty major tour
and it's going to be a special one. Nobody has
ever been through that tour. So we're gonna get the
museum which people go to, but we're all so going
to get to see a collection of flags that has
been stowed away for a very long time.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Dude, And I'm so grateful you hooked that up and
so like, I'm just that's one of the best things
about joining NAVA to me. And I know this sounds
like a freakin' ad. We're already flagged for content. I'll
call it a fucking match, but like when I went
(35:44):
to the one in Minnesota and we got to see
that like what like twenty eighth Virginia or whatever, like
that regimental flag that Minnesota has held on to for
so long that like Jesse Ventura when he was governor
was like, oh, I'm not give him this back to
your type thing. Bad impression, but like it's so fascinating
(36:05):
the doors that are opened to you as a NAVA member.
Again not an ad but just like you know, like
you're not gonna just get to randomly go into the
basement of the Minnesota Historical Society and see a flag
that's been there for one hundred and seventy years if
you don't have doors that kind of open for you.
(36:26):
And it sounds like we're gonna get a similar ish
experience anyway. And so in Seattle seeing things that are
normally kind of out of the public eye, I guess
there is a good way to put it. Yeah, And
I think as far as like NAVA membership, if you
need me to say anything more, if you need a
deep to say anything more, I don't know what else
(36:50):
I'd tell you, Like, and yeah, as always like like
you volunteered, I have volunteered to do the tech stuff.
I imagine there are more volunteer slots open.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Absolutely. There's the planning committee. Again, it's all over the US,
so we have a lot of people from the US, Canada,
even international. I know there's at least two one or
two from the UK. Yeah, so it's great. The smaller
part of that planning committee is the local host Committee,
(37:27):
so it's people in the region around Seattle, and we
always need more people. I'm one of the few out here,
so it's always great if anybody is interested reach out
to me or to Andy and let us know.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah. Absolutely, it's as I think I kind of mentioned
in passing, well not even so much in passing, but
I am a member of that team as well. I
am not as boots on the ground as Adebiz, but
I am trying to organize the attack and things as
I've done for the last two years. Two years ago
(38:05):
I had help from Tara Stark, which was fantastic. Last
year a little bit Sea Legs, but I think I
gotten mostly everything on point, and I think this year
is going to be great. But you don't even necessarily
have to volunteer to join the video meetings for this right, Like, yeah,
I was gonna say, because we've had some people in
(38:27):
those video meetings that are not necessarily volunteers, but they
kind of just want to see like the process, and.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
That's we've had. Yeah, We've had people that are either
new members. We've had people that are interested in having
their city be a future host for the conference. So
it's really a variety of people. Or you can just
sit there, listen, see what's going on, find out about
where the host venue before everybody else does.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Right, That's that's the thing is, like I don't want
people to get like yeah, like you said, like I
don't want people to get nervous about it. You can
chime in as much as you want, like EDDIEB said,
or as little as you want. Again, like you said,
you can just sit there and have your thing on
mute the entire time, but kind of like soak everything
(39:20):
in and you'll get a not just a good feel,
I mean you'll get the exact feel for how these
things come together, which may help you if you're trying
to put together a smaller back society, I know, like
the Chesapeake Bay one, a few other ones like take
cues from Nava as far as how they run things,
(39:43):
even though they have smaller or less membership. Yeah, it's
just fascinating too. It's a cool organization because you don't
have to be on any kind of board to see
what the board does. And there's not a lot of
orgs like that that I know of.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah, and that's a good segue to say. There's also
board meetings that are open to the public. I think
they're monthly. I know. There's a bunch of other events,
whether it's flag lovers or something more specific for different
committees that are all usually on the calendar on the
website when people go, and there's typically a zoom link
(40:26):
on there, so you're there's no RSVP, there's no registration
or commitment ahead of time. And like you said, it's
not just for NAVA members.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah, yeah, and that's uh yeah, Like I said, that
sets it apart because a lot of organizations you can
join in on certain things, but not everything. NAVA. It's
friggin' everything. I mean, you can, like I said, join
us while we're planning this shit, and you may even
have some good ideas and make us like be like
(40:59):
oh hey, hell yeah, let's do that or whatever. Again,
not an at all right, well, I think it's probably
time to go to second break here. When we come back,
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Speaker 2 (43:02):
Okay, and we are back here part three with a
deep and we are going to go into kind of
what we set up top here city flags, when and
where to display them. I figured a good place to
start would be kind of at the micro level, because
(43:23):
when you consider country, state, in our case, city, that
is the most micro level. So what's like the I
don't know a good way to put it, but like,
what's the simplest way. I guess that's a good way
for a city to display their flag.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
There's a lot of different ways that you see at
local government. They get creative with it. But the other
thing you see is a lot of local government municipalities
don't really have a flag, so they really get to
miss out on that part. What I've seen some of
the great ways seen crosswalks, they get repainted, but they'll
(44:05):
put a flag across it, especially in that little rectangle shape.
It's perfect going across the street. Sometimes it's temporary, sometimes
it's permanent, but it's a great way to give that exposure.
While also it's usually bright, it's usually different people are
looking at it, so it promotes that safety. When somebody's crossing,
(44:30):
they're standing out. There's a lot going on in the street.
I've seen it in bike lanes do for that same reason,
especially near intersections really kind of make it pop out,
usually with a lot simpler flags, something like Chicago or DC.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
I was gonna ask because this wasn't like part of
the plant, you know whatever, But like I guess the
conversation is pretty free form. But yeah, I've never seen
that as far as the city flag. But you're saying
Chicago and DC, which both make sense to me. Anywhere
else you've seen that, I.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Feel like i've seen it somewhere in New York.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
I fail to think anywhere I've ever seen that.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Yeah, I've seen it on but yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Just nowhere around me has a good enough flag to do.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
That with exactly. That's the issue. We don't see enough
good flags around and a lot of them where I am.
There's a lot of still the bet sheet with the
city seal on it, like, how do you I guess
you color it, and that's what I've seen, the color
and he kind of put space out the logo and
(45:42):
simplify it and call that a run of flags. One
of the best places I've seen it, and probably one
of the simplest, is at a traffic signal cabinet. A
lot of those who usually see art, they just wrap it.
They don't actually paint it. It's a good way to
put a flag.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
For one second, traffic signal cabinet, what does that mean?
Speaker 3 (46:08):
So at a traffic light you have the red lights
and all of those have electricals and cameras. Sure, all
of that goes into this big metal box that's usually
on one corner of the street, and that's that signal
cabinet that has the motherboard of the camera and the
wires in there.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
I'm glad I'm pretending not to know this for the
listeners and view of course, so that they Yeah, I'm
the useful idiot in this case, but I totally knew
what that was. But yeah, So, like you're saying, you
see them up in cities with good flags, like you
see them kind of like not just on those, but
like as like stickers around.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
It's a full of wrap. I've seen it where it's whoa,
the whole metal because it's a metal exterior protection.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
I can picture it in it now another one there, Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
I see more art than flags on that on those
pieces typically. Yeah, but that's a great way that cities
could take advantage to really push forward and expose more
exposure for their flag in general, because that's all it takes.
People know about it and then they either love it
or want to change it. But at least you're getting inputs.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
But they're informed about it. Yeah, like either way. Like yeah,
Like I was part of the group that kind of
like helped at least push for a new design in
bugwarts Own, Florida, and it ended up, like a lot
of these end up where the people there were just
not interested in changing the flag, but they had, like
(47:48):
you said, a renewed interest in their current flag. Like
no one had been thinking about it until they started
trying to change it, and then they were like, no,
we we love this flag. We carry it everywhere. What
what do you mean wrinkles? No, No, no wrinkles on
that shit's iron like and take it Yeah, it's like
(48:10):
it's that classic nobody cares about flags until they do,
or nobody cares about X until they do, basically but
flags in our case. But yeah, can you, like, I'm
just curious. I assume you don't mean Seattle because their
flag is not that great, But can you pinpoint a
couple of cities that, like, you've seen this in?
Speaker 3 (48:32):
I don't think Seattle's flag is that bad. It could
definitely get better. You're right, I've definitely seen it in Chicago.
I've seen it some of the rural not so good flags.
I've still seen it up on a water tower, a
big old metal They usually have welcome to and then
(48:54):
city or village name, But then a lot of them
have started to the very least at the seal or
the full flag. I love seeing that. I even see
it in eastern Washington.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
That's honestly a The water tower point is a really
good point because we talk a lot about how flags
are not meant to be seen in two dimensions, like
as a thing on a phone or your computer or whatever.
A water tower, you know, for what it is, it's
(49:29):
still painted on there in two dimensions. But I don't know,
like your opinion on this, I think that's still I
don't know. I think that kind of accomplishes the same goal,
although it's in two dimensions as having it in three
(49:49):
and over like the city hall or whatever. Because it
is such a high profile type thing, literally, a high
profile type thing in smaller towns, water tower is the
tallest thing that you have, so to paint the flag
on there, obviously, especially if it's a good one can
only be good. I think, like, I don't know, Like
(50:13):
I think that's one of the few cases where it
being two D is maybe almost even better than it
being three D. Like, I don't know, what what do
you think on that?
Speaker 3 (50:25):
I see, I see what you're saying. Because you could
compare it to sticking a tiny pole on top of it,
almost like an antenna, and then putting a flag down.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
You'd have to put a huge flag.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Yeah, exactly is that better? How long is it gonna
last being that high and how windy it is up there?
Or you're using that much bigger surface that you're not
using for anything else and you're putting a giant piece.
It's also using the curvature of the structure, So yeah,
it's too deep, But there are shadows. Yeah, there's elements
(50:59):
the curvature.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
Hell, I think and just like yeah, just like I said,
like the high profile in every sense I think helps.
But are there any other like as we go through
like city flag displays, like, what are some other interesting
ones you've seen, whether good or bad?
Speaker 3 (51:17):
I've seen it mostly. Also another place I work in
infrastructure futilities water sewer, So I see it a sewer
access hole. You have the metal lid on top of
it that gets it's usually metal, so it's engraved into
(51:40):
the mold. Yeah, but you'll at least see the seal.
And we have where I work, we have the seal
that's from I think fifteen years ago or so. But
that was the one hundred anniversary of being a city.
So that kind of went hand in hand with hey,
let's put the seal on here and say it's this
(52:02):
centennial anniversary, right. And it's an interesting use because the flag,
all it's missing is that blue background, which you can't
really show on an iron metal piece. There's no coloring there.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
That's tough. That's tough. Yeah, you have to go pretty
far out of your way and then you'd come back
in a week and it'd be worn down and you'd
be like, what did I even do this for?
Speaker 3 (52:27):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (52:28):
But yeah I have. Yeah. I was gonna ask, like,
so Seattle's flag, would you call that a seal on
a bed sheet or not?
Speaker 6 (52:42):
Just your opinion, that's a good question. The first guess.
I know to a certain degree, yes, but I don't
think it's the city seal. I think it's from the
Goodwill Games. So with that in mind and adding the
(53:04):
face to it, I think those combined.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
Yeah, yeah, it's simplistic. I really like the coloring. I
know some people don't like the color.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
I agree. I do like the coloring. I agree with
you on that. Yeah, yeah, especially.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
Like yeah, yeah, I think it could be a lot better.
I don't know how I feel about the words. I've
even heard people defend the words because it was such
a unique event. Yeah no, no, yeah, people.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Will defend Oh yeah. People come out of the woodwork
to defend flags when necessary or well not necessary, when
they think it's necessary. Yeah, now that is one of those.
Like I mean, that's the reason I ask is because
it is kind of in between. It is a seal,
(53:52):
but maybe not the seal, and it is on a
mostly monochrome background, but not entirely. It's got, you know,
elements that come in and that are interesting. I just
don't know if it gets far away enough from that
kind of stigma I guess of being a flag on
(54:15):
a bed sheet.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
You know, I can only speak to my own experience,
and my own experience is hosting a flag podcast where
I had a guy come on that had designed a
worka flag first Seattle, So that's my lived experience. But
from that lived experience, uh, and him talking about the
poles and everything, even if it wasn't his Orca that
(54:40):
got selected, it seems like Seattle, Seattle lens, what do you.
Speaker 3 (54:47):
Seattle lights, Seattle lights.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
It seems like Seattle lights are at least more than
most folks ready for a flag chain, or at least
like open to a flag change. Maybe not ready, but
open to it because like not even Seattle, I guess
Washington State in general, if they were voting that much
for the Orca, I don't know. It seems like a
(55:14):
change needs to come.
Speaker 3 (55:15):
Man for anybody who doesn't know what you're talking about.
That one of the was an official candidate. That's a
great flag.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
I love that flag for the Uh. Yeah, for the viewers,
it'll be up on screen. For the listeners, it will
absolutely be in the show notes, or you can go
back and watch the episode with with Bradley Lockhart. I
think it's like around episode twenty something. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Yeah,
I'm just always as somebody who lives in a state
(55:46):
with a good flag. Sorry, let me take a sip
of this real quick. Nice for listeners, it was a
Tennessee flag. Mug uh. It's It's always interesting to me,
just the conversations that take place basically in states that don't.
But anyway, yeah, I think with that we're probably good
(56:09):
to round this out. Adeed, Where can people find you?
Follow you all that good stuff?
Speaker 3 (56:17):
Yeah, I'm always involved with Neva, so that's a great
way to find me there. I'm also a big fan
of your podcast Andy so on Instagram. It's a great
way to find me there.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
Appreciate that. What's the you want to give the Instagram tag?
Speaker 3 (56:35):
I'm one of the followers. I don't actually know it
off the top of my head. Okay, gosh, I think
it has my name in it, it's all I know.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
I would imagine they can find it from you know,
searching this episode basically, but all right, fantastic as far
as the show goes. You can find us anywhere with
at signs. We are at flagged for content for like
the number, the digit. It's unfortunate, but that's how I
had to do it.
Speaker 3 (56:59):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
Or best case, you can go to our link tree,
which is just linktree dot com slash flagged for content
all spelled out, and that has literally everything and probably
more than you'd ever need to know. So yeah, I
think that's basically it for us. A deep I going
(57:20):
through my notebook right now. I don't know how to
close this thing out. Man, Could you give me a hand?
Speaker 3 (57:25):
Yeah? I guess if people hated this episode, I don't
think there's a need to report us because we've already been.
Speaker 2 (57:34):
For content nailed it all right, man, thank you so much.
We will go out on that and uh, some of
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I don't have anything. Just raise those flags, not the walls.
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that way. Yeah, a bunch of fun stuff there anyway,
not a whole lot to go into as far as
admin or you know whatever. On this episode, I sat
(01:54):
down with a deep all to loll from. Well, I've
seen him at a couple of navas. Now he's gonna
be helping, you know, run the next one. Well, the
next one's in Seattle, where he lives, and so yeah,
I thought I would sit down have a chat with
him on kind of what's going on in Seattle, what
his deal with flags is and the like. And the
(02:17):
result is the episode you're about to hear. So I
won't waste any more of your time on mindlessly talking
without a deep Let's go ahead and get on into
that part. Folks. We've got another VEX All Star on
this week. You know him from his global travels and
(02:38):
love of geography. You know him from the soccer pitch
as a coach complaining to the flag waving referees, and
you know him as a lead organizer for the upcoming
lab A fifty nine conference is a deep all to.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Long and everybody.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
How's it going, man, how are things in Seattle right now?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Going? Well? Well, there's been nice. Life is busy, but
so is everybody else's. How have you been?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yea, right, not bad? You know, trying to trying to
plan a honeymoon around the best places to get flags,
you know, which just exactly what my wife wants. She's
constantly dying to get new flags. No, no, we're good,
We're good. But yeah, no, So in Seattle, I know
(03:35):
we're going to get more into it, but is it
getting a little bit busy as far as like planning
and stuff like.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, it's getting to that stage where we got to
get stuff done, which we are. We've we've gotten some
great milestones accomplished already in the planning stage. It's starting
to be that final countdown soon.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, yeah, I And I don't know if you're on
the same chain that I am, but I know, like
normally when we resign up for NAVA, they ask like
a lot of things that you're interested in, and it
can be none as well to perspective members. But I
think I had said that I was interested in kind
(04:23):
of like member retention or something like that. So like,
pretty soon here I'm going to be reaching out to
a lot of NAVA members and being like, hey, you
should rejoin. Here's why. And there's so many reasons why
again that we'll go into, but dude, I'm just super
(04:43):
pumped for fifty nine in Seattle and everything that's going
to come along with it.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah, and the more people we get, the even better
the event is.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, yeah, it always it is like, yeah, I love
to see like a big and kind of organization as
far as Navigo is like a little bit of everybody there.
But yeah, all right, so that's enough of this, sorry,
ade I have got to get into for the listeners
(05:15):
and viewers what's on the flagpole today, And they're not
going to be surprised by the first part because we have,
as always, some over and underrated flags. Adeep's gonna bless
us with both his favorite flag and his intro flag
to vexillology. We will chat about what it's like to
(05:35):
be on the NAVA Planning Committee, how to do flag
tourism while traveling, and on the Patreon If you're there,
we're gonna get into city flag displays. But first, before
we get into any of that, I like to ask
my guests what's the flag that got you into flags?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
So that takes some thinking, I believe, going all the
way back to so soccer related as you did in
the intro, and a lot of flags in soccer, And
one of my very first intros to flag and that
started the love for flags was the flag of Brazil.
(06:18):
Actually watching one of the World Cup finals back in
the day and seeing that beautiful flag and seeing all
these words that I couldn't read, and deciding I want
to draw that. I have had one of those composition notebooks,
turned it sideways and started coloring in it and drawing,
(06:39):
and realized it looks cool. I should do that more often.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, So were you into football slash soccer like before then?
I imagine you were to a point if you were
even watching.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah. I think the watching part and the flag love
part probably start it around the same time. The playing
part maybe a little before. But as you see with
the Olympics too, not just with soccer, there's flags everywhere
and it's shown in a way that is more of
(07:17):
they're proud of their flag, not this is the best
flag it's more look what flag we have?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, I mean, like when you're thinking of flags or
like flags at sporting events specifically, I always think of
like European football, like soccer, because a lot of the
fans will go out of their way to make their own,
like they will make their own flag that's maybe a
variant of an existing design but that has you know,
(07:49):
county names, player names, numbers, things like that, you know,
little emblems like what have you. When I think of
flags at sporting events, I think of soccer, and I think, well,
I was gonna say more of international soccer, but even
like like Champions League stuff, which is most of what
(08:09):
I watch if I'm watching non international, but like, yeah,
the amount of flags at these things is insane. And
the amount of people on our vexillology on Reddit being
like what the hell is this flag is correlates to that.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
So yeahsiously, Yeah, it's a it's a great environment to see,
as you said, sometimes made up flags that become iconic
enough where they get adopted by a club or they
get adopted by a fan base. Even in Seattle. We
see that at sporting events.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Oh I'm sure, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
We see Actually a different variation of the Cascadia flag
behind you combined with sounders or different. I think Portland
has a similar one too.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I bet, I bet, I'm I mean, those are iconic
colors to the region and everything. But yeah, no, so okay,
so I know we kind of skimmed over it. But
so the Brazilian flag in general at World Cup ninety
eight was that where was that one hosted? Was that
in France?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I know that was okay, yeah, I believe that was
in France and they won against Brazil.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Right, but there was just something about the Brazilian flag
they kind of like drew you in.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
It. It was a generation of one of the best
teams ever Brazil had, even though they ended up losing,
but it was they had so much talent, following the
original Ronaldo and following all these players, right, it was
just beautiful to watch. It was started as watching the
(09:53):
game and then seeing all these flags, seeing the colors
their uniforms are those colors.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
And yeah, yeah, yeah, that's one thing I talk to
Frederic about and the the episode that came before this
one was like, yeah, soccer kits matching national flags or not,
and how that's you know, good and bad depending, but yeah,
one of the Brazilian things they definitely have going for
(10:20):
them is the kits match the flag, like the home
and aways really because they can and yeah, yeah, I
guess like when I think of Brazil on an international stage,
I usually do think of football. I'm not gonna lie
just because they're that's where the beautiful game originated, you
(10:44):
know and everything. So yeah, I totally get that as
an intro. Let's shift from that into your favorite then
we'll do the over and unders. So what what's your
favorite flag?
Speaker 3 (10:59):
So I'd say my favorite is somewhat actually similar in
a way to Cascadia flag. It's the Lebanese flag, and.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Oh yeah, I can see the similarities.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
It's a it's a simple one, not a lot of
different colors. But I like the cedar. It's one of
the only places it's that it grows, so it's a
very unique, iconic symbol that's on the flag. At the
same time, it's very original to the area that you
(11:33):
almost know you could guess if you didn't know what flag,
could say it's that region probably yeah, so yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I mean could you because like I my only like
question on that is a lot of the other flags
in the area have pan Arab colors, and I guess
that one technically does to aside from having any kind
of black on it, which I don't know is if
that's technically one of them or not, but I know
(12:05):
you see it on a lot of them. Yeah, the
the Libyan flag is it reminds me of kind of
if the Canadian flag were instead of vertical stripes, if
it were horizontal stripes, and then instead of a maple leaf.
You know, it's a different obviously in this case, the
(12:27):
tree Lebanese, not Libyan Lebanese. Jesus Christ. And I'm so
sorry that I said that, yes Lebanes. No, Yeah, I
was picturing the correct flag and saying the wrong one.
But yeah, like it is a very unique I think
it's a very unique design, especially even for that area.
(12:51):
I agree with what you said, like it does harken
to that area, but it's it differentiates itself, which is
I don't know which is I think I think a
plus and.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I think part of yeah, I think part of maybe
why you accidentally said Libya green is one of the
very distinct colors that's missing from the Lebanese flags, And
I don't is the tree green, isn't it. I having
a hard.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Time picturing it.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Is it green or black?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I think it's green, but.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I guess as a tree, it's a natural green. It's
not just an added stripe or background, right, it's a
more natural fit.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yeah, instead of a stripe or a chevron or something.
It's a physical depiction. It's a charge basically, for lack
of a better word, that's set there in the middle. Yeah, no,
for sure, All right? Cool? We gone Brazil, We gone
Lebanon slash Libya. We talked a little bit about let's
(14:02):
go into I usually let my guest pick over or
underrated first, go in whichever order you'd like.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
I think i'll start with overrated. I'm gonna say the
British flag. I think what I know it may be
a little controversial. I think it has a lot of
good flags, a lot of older flags within it, but
(14:32):
it's just a collection of other flags that were juxtaposed
and put together and have been so overused. You see
in all these British territories. You see it on even
some of the independent that used to be British territories,
or some that don't even have anything to do with
(14:54):
Britain like Hawaii.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Right, Yeah, they were like chummy with the British East
India Company or something, and that's why it's on there.
I don't quote me on that, but it's something Yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
I think, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I's gonna say. I think mostly it's the overuse of
it that it hasn't changed and it's not really original
rather than a collective of great flags that were combined
and overused.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, it comes up a lot on the show as
an overrated, as does the American flag. And I think
in a lot of cases it's because of what you
just said. It's like the overuse of it, not just
like where it flies, but like on other things. I
(15:50):
guess more so in the British flagcase than the American one,
but like just the overuse kind of leads to an
eye roll of sorts, like in like okay, yeah, I
get it, you used to be British or okay, yes,
I get it. Every other neighbor that I have is American. Sure, great,
(16:12):
you know Yeah, that one usually breaks down to me
as an overused. So like I think, based on like
going off what you said, it is based on good flags,
but it's been kind of cobbled together a little bit,
and even to cobble it together, they had to use
a Northern Irish flag that is not necessarily like accepted
(16:38):
in Northern Ireland. So even that's kind of like a
well because we said so type thing. And I don't know, man, Like,
it's tough for me because I do think it's a
good flag, but I also think, like you think that
it's overused. I do think it could do a better
job incorporating the things it should actually corporate. And I
(17:03):
mean for both those reasons, I would skew toward you
and also call it overrated.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
I don't know, it's tough.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, it's tough because I mean, you know, it's tough
especially if like for us in Nava, on the planning
committee everything else, you know, like we're we're pretty far
into it. It's tough to even pick an overrated or
an underrated flag sometimes, like I know, I sent this
missive to you a few like a week or maybe
(17:35):
even less ago. But yeah, it's tough to pick because
we have to pick things like the British flag that
are everywhere but also overrated, which I guess go hand
in it. I don't know, I'm talking myself into a
corner here. Uh, unless you have anything more on the
UK flag, I'd love to go into your underrated.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I think the last comment I'll say is it's hard
to pick an over rated flag just nobody knows, so
it has to be popular enough to be possibly overrated,
so it narrows the field a lot.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah. Yeah, the underrated is always like, is always easier
because it's like which one is not getting enough shine
because nobody's talking about it, whereas these ones everyone's talking about.
But yeah, you're overrated or you're underrated, rather is super interesting.
I love this flag.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
It's the flag of Caravas and it's a kind of
a busy I guess it's not necessarily what somebody might
call perfect flag, but I love it. I love how
it seems iconic. It's a very tiny place, but the
designer definitely went above and beyond. The beautiful waves you have.
(18:56):
You don't just have a sun you have a sunset
or a sun rise. Feels like it's in action, something's happening.
There's I think a bird flying by or some kind
of something's going on as well, so it's it's more
of just a static piece of cloth. It's a it's
a dynamic, almost cinematic set piece.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Now, dude, that is such a good way to put it,
Like a flag in action and dynamic like you just said. Yeah, yeah,
because like we think of flags, especially in this day
and age, as static things on like a screen or
on your phone or what you know, and even to
(19:41):
see the carabout's flag waving like is one very special.
But when you start to think about it in those
terms that you just laid out, like, yeah, it only
serves to help, like it only helps the flag like
it is a bird flying, it is the waves waving.
(20:02):
The sun, like you said, can be interpreted either way, sunset, sunrise, whatever.
I'm sure they have an official way that they designated,
but like to the viewer, you can view it either way.
And yeah, I think there's definitely something to be said
about a flag in motion like that. Yeah, very cool.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah, Yeah, colors are a plus, but it has a
lot more than just the colors.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, what's it got? Like four colors
if you count white and yellow. Yeah, sounds right, so
I guess yeah, Like I don't know, Yeah, there definitely
is something too to that kind of whole idea of
a flag in motion. I do like that, all right?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Cool?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Well, yeah, anything else on caravats or any of the
previously mentioned.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I feel like the flag has gotten it on my
list of places to want to visit one day.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
So yes, and we're going to talk about that a
lot more too, which leads me into an ad break.
We are going to take a brief ad break here.
We are going to come back more with a deep
We're going to talk a lot about Nava, and I
say the rest of that till part three, so stick
(21:30):
around to be right back. All right back, SAIDs. We
are back part two with a deep all to lull,
(21:54):
and we were going to figure out kind of a
lot of Nava stuff before we get too far into
Nava fifty nine. I think a lot of like new
Slash prospective members would be interested in your journey in
Nava in general, like when and how you signed up
(22:14):
and go from there.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah, that's it's an interesting story. When I first started,
I actually did not know Nava as an organization existed.
Then I didn't know anybody that really liked flags, at
least not to the level that I did. So I
remember the very first time I found Nava online. I
(22:40):
was actually doing a trivia for work and I need
they needed like, what's what's your one liner, What's something
you would rag ideally in your area of expertise. I
was like that something with flag lover exollologist. Like, oh,
that's a good word. I don't know how to spell it.
(23:03):
So I went to Google put it in as I thought,
is spelled look like I was missing an L and
a I. But for the most part it was good.
But what's interesting, The very first result at the time
a few years ago was Nava. So I opened it
and had the full name spelled out and the result
(23:23):
as well. So I opened that, Oh, that's an organization
that exists, and start reading about it. Oh, there's other people,
there's a board, there's a membership. They get send you
a magazine monthly and the orderly. Yeah, so it's several
publications and that's just the printed parts that you get.
(23:47):
And that was awesome. Oh there's people that like almost
exactly what I like, and they're publishing stuff on it.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, that's the most fascinating part is like the and
I'm sure like every you know nerd in any like community,
whether big or small, kind of has that moment or whatever,
but it the oh there are other people that like
what I like moment is so huge for us in vexillology,
(24:15):
especially because I remember signing up for NAVA and being like,
do I do I want to like bother, like, do
I care this much about flags? Like do I really
want to you know, read like the the raven and
the Vexillums and everything they come? And I was like, yeah, yeah,
(24:37):
I think I do because I'm already somewhat interested. Why
not figure out a little bit more about it? But yeah,
it's always weird getting into a new organization I guess,
or association in this case. But you, I mean like
you've kind of I won't say like risen through the
(25:00):
but like you've you've made like a name for like
people know who Adeeb is at this point, and to
the point where you're even like kind of helping to
plant or planning the Seattle one, right, one.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Of the leads for the post committee and on the
planning committee. But it all started with taking a chance.
My first conference that I attended was the COVID one
and it was virtual.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Oh yeah I hear that one.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah, I was I remember sitting taking break from work
and I took half a Friday off or something sad
and bead like, oh, this is interesting, and started listening
to some of the intros and lectures like, oh this
is this is cool stuff. Maybe some some stuff aren't
(25:53):
as interesting, but it's all related to one overarching interesting topic.
So that was my introduction. I loved it, like I
need to go next year. I had to, and I
and I did. I knew nobody. I remember signing up
for a dorm because I thought maybe I'll meet some
(26:16):
people there. It was one of the accommodations that provide Yeah,
and I didn't get a hotel. I stayed in a
school and rented a car to make it over there
from the airport. And it was difficult, as with any
weather conference or annual event that you don't know anybody at,
(26:36):
meeting people, especially for an introvert like me. It was
not easy. Sure, and I got to meet one person,
and then it's a small community, so that one person
introduced me to two other people and just kind of
grew right.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I was going to say, that's that tends to be
how it goes at those meetings, is like, uh so
was your first in person one Saint Augustine or a
Philly Saint Augustine, Saint Aggus. That was the I think
that was the one. Like I had just signed up
like a month before that. My now wife got me
(27:10):
the like guest packet, like the one where if you
can't actually go, we'll give you this stuff anyway. It's
like I've got the pen and everything from it in
the little flag and all that stuff, but didn't actually
get to go. But okay, so that was your first one? Yeah,
first in person? Like what are the I mean, I
(27:32):
know what my feelings were going in to my first
in person were event were, but what do you like?
What are you thinking? What are you feeling going into
your first in person one? I think a lot of
perspective members would like to know.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
I was very nervous. I didn't know anybody. Again. One
of the first events preb lecture, President's Address, I think
on Friday evening when you first arrived before the weekend
kicks off and I went there. I don't know anybody,
but I guess there's free food, free drinks. But we'll
(28:10):
find somebody while we're snacking and slowly saw oh people
came dressed in flag related where I didn't even think
about that when they came to the first conference.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah, I didn't think of that at fifty seven either.
I brought a little bit at fifty eight, and I'm
probably going to bring more to fifty nine. But I
know what you mean, like everybody's like hard into this
for sure, like the young's, the olds, like everybody. Yeah. No,
it was fun so so all right, so that was
(28:47):
fifty What that was fifty six? I guess in St.
Augustine would have been yeah, yeah, yeah, what like I mean,
pretty brief span of time. What got you to kind
of you know, planning to help, you know, co planning?
(29:11):
NA have a fifty nine in Seattle?
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Yeah, So the association is mostly based on volunteers. The
membership is fairly cheap. I think it's pretty cheap that
you can't really pay anybody based on that. So almost
I think everybody, not almost everybody is a volunteer. They're
dedicating their own time. Sure, And I love being involved.
(29:35):
I love seeing how it's done, seeing if I can
help and nobody does it perfectly the first time. And
I've gone to so many conferences in my professional career
that I've helped plan some of those conferences in the past,
and I was luckily able to talk to some of
(29:55):
the people that are involved in the Planning Committee and
they're always happy to invite pretty much everybody. I think
the public is allowed to attend. Yeah, but it's it's
a teamwork, a lot of it. Again, when you're volunteering,
you can't do everything on your own because your time
is limited. So it's who's delegating, who's doing what, who's
(30:17):
doing it? When can you meet those deadlines? And then
the that it's not instant gratification, but that feeling, the
rewarding feeling at the end when you've worked for several
months to see things come together, see people from across
the country and international participants as well, helping volunteering, and
(30:42):
then it comes together. It's great, everybody's happy. You get
all that positive feedback story. Rewarding.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, I can guarantee you're gived you like ten times
that when it's in Seattle and like there and everything
and you've helped so much to plant and everything. Yeah. Man, Yeah,
I mean as a NAVA member, couldn't thank you enough,
even well even Slash, especially as a fellow planner. Like
(31:12):
I said earlier, like I just have to kind of
figure out the tech side. You have to do a
lot more than that, part of which includes picking slash
helping design the flag for the event, which for viewers,
I've got over my left shoulder here. Now this is
(31:33):
but I'll ask you, actually, is this the current design
for the NAVA fifty nine flag.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
This is the current design. I don't think it will change, Okay,
but it's fairly simple. I think most people could probably
guess that is the space needle to represent the iconic skyline. Yeah,
symbol for the rest of it.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
The listeners, Do you want to go ahead and like
describe it in you know, flag terms, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah, absolutely, So you have right under that symbol, you
have the big V going right through the entire flag,
and that's a not of vexillology. It's also not to
the NAVA flag that has the V almost in the
same location. And then at the top you have the
(32:28):
blue for the sky, but it's also for the Seattle
flag that's mostly a similar blue, right, and then the
green is for the mountains, it's for the rainforest nearby,
it's for the greenery that surrounds the Seattle area.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, and I figure like it. It's not the exact
same shades, but it takes kind of cues from the
Cascadia flag that viewers will see and listeners can look up.
But basically it's a horizontal tricolor that's dark green, white,
darkish blue and has a is that a it's not
(33:11):
a pine tree, I guess is a pine It's it's
a coniferous tree. Let's just put it at that in
black that kind of like goes through all three stripes
and yeah, this like kind of pays homage to that
as far as the colors, and then has the iconic
like the one thing you think of when you think
(33:32):
of Seattle other than Nirvana or something is, yeah, the
space needle right here. It is the official flag, I guess.
At this point of NAVI fifty nine, if you follow
us on Instagram, I am always playing this game called
Fresh Flags. I have two extra of these to give
(33:55):
away as prizes. I would love to get these out here.
I would love to get these out to NAVA members
or prospective NAVA members, anyone who wants to come, anyone
who's just elated by the idea, come and play Fresh
Flags on our Instagram and you could win one of these. Hell,
I'll even sign it. I didn't design it, but I'll
(34:18):
sign like the you know, the hoist part or something. Anyway. Yeah,
So what can we, as NAVA members new and old,
expect from the conference in Seattle? Like, what are we
going to see there? What are we going to do there?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah, we always have a tour and that's one of
the things in the planning committee that we've been working on.
I think we've gotten that barely confirmed. I think I
can say that Mohai is going to be the Museum
of History and Industry see is going to be on
(35:00):
that list. It's going to be a pretty major tour
and it's going to be a special one. Nobody has
ever been through that tour. So we're gonna get the
museum which people go to, but we're all so going
to get to see a collection of flags that has
been stowed away for a very long time.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Dude, And I'm so grateful you hooked that up and
so like, I'm just that's one of the best things
about joining NAVA to me. And I know this sounds
like a freakin' ad. We're already flagged for content. I'll
call it a fucking match, but like when I went
(35:44):
to the one in Minnesota and we got to see
that like what like twenty eighth Virginia or whatever, like
that regimental flag that Minnesota has held on to for
so long that like Jesse Ventura when he was governor
was like, oh, I'm not give him this back to
your type thing. Bad impression, but like it's so fascinating
(36:05):
the doors that are opened to you as a NAVA member.
Again not an ad but just like you know, like
you're not gonna just get to randomly go into the
basement of the Minnesota Historical Society and see a flag
that's been there for one hundred and seventy years if
you don't have doors that kind of open for you.
(36:26):
And it sounds like we're gonna get a similar ish
experience anyway. And so in Seattle seeing things that are
normally kind of out of the public eye, I guess
there is a good way to put it. Yeah, And
I think as far as like NAVA membership, if you
need me to say anything more, if you need a
deep to say anything more, I don't know what else
(36:50):
I'd tell you, Like, and yeah, as always like like
you volunteered, I have volunteered to do the tech stuff.
I imagine there are more volunteer slots open.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Absolutely. There's the planning committee. Again, it's all over the US,
so we have a lot of people from the US, Canada,
even international. I know there's at least two one or
two from the UK. Yeah, so it's great. The smaller
part of that planning committee is the local host Committee,
(37:27):
so it's people in the region around Seattle, and we
always need more people. I'm one of the few out here,
so it's always great if anybody is interested reach out
to me or to Andy and let us know.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah. Absolutely, it's as I think I kind of mentioned
in passing, well not even so much in passing, but
I am a member of that team as well. I
am not as boots on the ground as Adebiz, but
I am trying to organize the attack and things as
I've done for the last two years. Two years ago
(38:05):
I had help from Tara Stark, which was fantastic. Last
year a little bit Sea Legs, but I think I
gotten mostly everything on point, and I think this year
is going to be great. But you don't even necessarily
have to volunteer to join the video meetings for this right, Like, yeah,
I was gonna say, because we've had some people in
(38:27):
those video meetings that are not necessarily volunteers, but they
kind of just want to see like the process, and.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
That's we've had. Yeah, We've had people that are either
new members. We've had people that are interested in having
their city be a future host for the conference. So
it's really a variety of people. Or you can just
sit there, listen, see what's going on, find out about
where the host venue before everybody else does.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Right, That's that's the thing is, like I don't want
people to get like yeah, like you said, like I
don't want people to get nervous about it. You can
chime in as much as you want, like EDDIEB said,
or as little as you want. Again, like you said,
you can just sit there and have your thing on
mute the entire time, but kind of like soak everything
(39:20):
in and you'll get a not just a good feel,
I mean you'll get the exact feel for how these
things come together, which may help you if you're trying
to put together a smaller back society, I know, like
the Chesapeake Bay one, a few other ones like take
cues from Nava as far as how they run things,
(39:43):
even though they have smaller or less membership. Yeah, it's
just fascinating too. It's a cool organization because you don't
have to be on any kind of board to see
what the board does. And there's not a lot of
orgs like that that I know of.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Yeah, and that's a good segue to say. There's also
board meetings that are open to the public. I think
they're monthly. I know. There's a bunch of other events,
whether it's flag lovers or something more specific for different
committees that are all usually on the calendar on the
website when people go, and there's typically a zoom link
(40:26):
on there, so you're there's no RSVP, there's no registration
or commitment ahead of time. And like you said, it's
not just for NAVA members.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah, yeah, and that's uh yeah, Like I said, that
sets it apart because a lot of organizations you can
join in on certain things, but not everything. NAVA. It's
friggin' everything. I mean, you can, like I said, join
us while we're planning this shit, and you may even
have some good ideas and make us like be like
(40:59):
oh hey, hell yeah, let's do that or whatever. Again,
not an at all right, well, I think it's probably
time to go to second break here. When we come back,
we are going to talk about.
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Speaker 2 (43:02):
Okay, and we are back here part three with a
deep and we are going to go into kind of
what we set up top here city flags, when and
where to display them. I figured a good place to
start would be kind of at the micro level, because
(43:23):
when you consider country, state, in our case, city, that
is the most micro level. So what's like the I
don't know a good way to put it, but like,
what's the simplest way. I guess that's a good way
for a city to display their flag.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
There's a lot of different ways that you see at
local government. They get creative with it. But the other
thing you see is a lot of local government municipalities
don't really have a flag, so they really get to
miss out on that part. What I've seen some of
the great ways seen crosswalks, they get repainted, but they'll
(44:05):
put a flag across it, especially in that little rectangle shape.
It's perfect going across the street. Sometimes it's temporary, sometimes
it's permanent, but it's a great way to give that exposure.
While also it's usually bright, it's usually different people are
looking at it, so it promotes that safety. When somebody's crossing,
(44:30):
they're standing out. There's a lot going on in the street.
I've seen it in bike lanes do for that same reason,
especially near intersections really kind of make it pop out,
usually with a lot simpler flags, something like Chicago or DC.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
I was gonna ask because this wasn't like part of
the plant, you know whatever, But like I guess the
conversation is pretty free form. But yeah, I've never seen
that as far as the city flag. But you're saying
Chicago and DC, which both make sense to me. Anywhere
else you've seen that, I.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Feel like i've seen it somewhere in New York.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
I fail to think anywhere I've ever seen that.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Yeah, I've seen it on but yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
Just nowhere around me has a good enough flag to do.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
That with exactly. That's the issue. We don't see enough
good flags around and a lot of them where I am.
There's a lot of still the bet sheet with the
city seal on it, like, how do you I guess
you color it, and that's what I've seen, the color
and he kind of put space out the logo and
(45:42):
simplify it and call that a run of flags. One
of the best places I've seen it, and probably one
of the simplest, is at a traffic signal cabinet. A
lot of those who usually see art, they just wrap it.
They don't actually paint it. It's a good way to
put a flag.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
For one second, traffic signal cabinet, what does that mean?
Speaker 3 (46:08):
So at a traffic light you have the red lights
and all of those have electricals and cameras. Sure, all
of that goes into this big metal box that's usually
on one corner of the street, and that's that signal
cabinet that has the motherboard of the camera and the
wires in there.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
I'm glad I'm pretending not to know this for the
listeners and view of course, so that they Yeah, I'm
the useful idiot in this case, but I totally knew
what that was. But yeah, So, like you're saying, you
see them up in cities with good flags, like you
see them kind of like not just on those, but
like as like stickers around.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
It's a full of wrap. I've seen it where it's whoa,
the whole metal because it's a metal exterior protection.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
I can picture it in it now another one there, Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
I see more art than flags on that on those
pieces typically. Yeah, but that's a great way that cities
could take advantage to really push forward and expose more
exposure for their flag in general, because that's all it takes.
People know about it and then they either love it
or want to change it. But at least you're getting inputs.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
But they're informed about it. Yeah, like either way. Like yeah,
Like I was part of the group that kind of
like helped at least push for a new design in
bugwarts Own, Florida, and it ended up, like a lot
of these end up where the people there were just
not interested in changing the flag, but they had, like
(47:48):
you said, a renewed interest in their current flag. Like
no one had been thinking about it until they started
trying to change it, and then they were like, no,
we we love this flag. We carry it everywhere. What
what do you mean wrinkles? No, No, no wrinkles on
that shit's iron like and take it Yeah, it's like
(48:10):
it's that classic nobody cares about flags until they do,
or nobody cares about X until they do, basically but
flags in our case. But yeah, can you, like, I'm
just curious. I assume you don't mean Seattle because their
flag is not that great, But can you pinpoint a
couple of cities that, like, you've seen this in?
Speaker 3 (48:32):
I don't think Seattle's flag is that bad. It could
definitely get better. You're right, I've definitely seen it in Chicago.
I've seen it some of the rural not so good flags.
I've still seen it up on a water tower, a
big old metal They usually have welcome to and then
(48:54):
city or village name, But then a lot of them
have started to the very least at the seal or
the full flag. I love seeing that. I even see
it in eastern Washington.
Speaker 2 (49:07):
That's honestly a The water tower point is a really
good point because we talk a lot about how flags
are not meant to be seen in two dimensions, like
as a thing on a phone or your computer or whatever.
A water tower, you know, for what it is, it's
(49:29):
still painted on there in two dimensions. But I don't know,
like your opinion on this, I think that's still I
don't know. I think that kind of accomplishes the same goal,
although it's in two dimensions as having it in three
(49:49):
and over like the city hall or whatever. Because it
is such a high profile type thing, literally, a high
profile type thing in smaller towns, water tower is the
tallest thing that you have, so to paint the flag
on there, obviously, especially if it's a good one can
only be good. I think, like, I don't know, Like
(50:13):
I think that's one of the few cases where it
being two D is maybe almost even better than it
being three D. Like, I don't know, what what do
you think on that?
Speaker 3 (50:25):
I see, I see what you're saying. Because you could
compare it to sticking a tiny pole on top of it,
almost like an antenna, and then putting a flag down.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
You'd have to put a huge flag.
Speaker 3 (50:35):
Yeah, exactly is that better? How long is it gonna
last being that high and how windy it is up there?
Or you're using that much bigger surface that you're not
using for anything else and you're putting a giant piece.
It's also using the curvature of the structure, So yeah,
it's too deep, But there are shadows. Yeah, there's elements
(50:59):
the curvature.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
Hell, I think and just like yeah, just like I said,
like the high profile in every sense I think helps.
But are there any other like as we go through
like city flag displays, like, what are some other interesting
ones you've seen, whether good or bad?
Speaker 3 (51:17):
I've seen it mostly. Also another place I work in
infrastructure futilities water sewer, So I see it a sewer
access hole. You have the metal lid on top of
it that gets it's usually metal, so it's engraved into
(51:40):
the mold. Yeah, but you'll at least see the seal.
And we have where I work, we have the seal
that's from I think fifteen years ago or so. But
that was the one hundred anniversary of being a city.
So that kind of went hand in hand with hey,
let's put the seal on here and say it's this
(52:02):
centennial anniversary, right. And it's an interesting use because the flag,
all it's missing is that blue background, which you can't
really show on an iron metal piece. There's no coloring there.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
That's tough. That's tough. Yeah, you have to go pretty
far out of your way and then you'd come back
in a week and it'd be worn down and you'd
be like, what did I even do this for?
Speaker 3 (52:27):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (52:28):
But yeah I have. Yeah. I was gonna ask, like,
so Seattle's flag, would you call that a seal on
a bed sheet or not?
Speaker 6 (52:42):
Just your opinion, that's a good question. The first guess.
I know to a certain degree, yes, but I don't
think it's the city seal. I think it's from the
Goodwill Games. So with that in mind and adding the
(53:04):
face to it, I think those combined.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
Yeah, yeah, it's simplistic. I really like the coloring. I
know some people don't like the color.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
I agree. I do like the coloring. I agree with
you on that. Yeah, yeah, especially.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
Like yeah, yeah, I think it could be a lot better.
I don't know how I feel about the words. I've
even heard people defend the words because it was such
a unique event. Yeah no, no, yeah, people.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Will defend Oh yeah. People come out of the woodwork
to defend flags when necessary or well not necessary, when
they think it's necessary. Yeah, now that is one of those.
Like I mean, that's the reason I ask is because
it is kind of in between. It is a seal,
(53:52):
but maybe not the seal, and it is on a
mostly monochrome background, but not entirely. It's got, you know,
elements that come in and that are interesting. I just
don't know if it gets far away enough from that
kind of stigma I guess of being a flag on
(54:15):
a bed sheet.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
You know, I can only speak to my own experience,
and my own experience is hosting a flag podcast where
I had a guy come on that had designed a
worka flag first Seattle, So that's my lived experience. But
from that lived experience, uh, and him talking about the
poles and everything, even if it wasn't his Orca that
(54:40):
got selected, it seems like Seattle, Seattle lens, what do you.
Speaker 3 (54:47):
Seattle lights, Seattle lights.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
It seems like Seattle lights are at least more than
most folks ready for a flag chain, or at least
like open to a flag change. Maybe not ready, but
open to it because like not even Seattle, I guess
Washington State in general, if they were voting that much
for the Orca, I don't know. It seems like a
(55:14):
change needs to come.
Speaker 3 (55:15):
Man for anybody who doesn't know what you're talking about.
That one of the was an official candidate. That's a
great flag.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
I love that flag for the Uh. Yeah, for the viewers,
it'll be up on screen. For the listeners, it will
absolutely be in the show notes, or you can go
back and watch the episode with with Bradley Lockhart. I
think it's like around episode twenty something. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Yeah,
I'm just always as somebody who lives in a state
(55:46):
with a good flag. Sorry, let me take a sip
of this real quick. Nice for listeners, it was a
Tennessee flag. Mug uh. It's It's always interesting to me,
just the conversations that take place basically in states that don't.
But anyway, yeah, I think with that we're probably good
(56:09):
to round this out. Adeed, Where can people find you?
Follow you all that good stuff?
Speaker 3 (56:17):
Yeah, I'm always involved with Neva, so that's a great
way to find me there. I'm also a big fan
of your podcast Andy so on Instagram. It's a great
way to find me there.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
Appreciate that. What's the you want to give the Instagram tag?
Speaker 3 (56:35):
I'm one of the followers. I don't actually know it
off the top of my head. Okay, gosh, I think
it has my name in it, it's all I know.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
I would imagine they can find it from you know,
searching this episode basically, but all right, fantastic as far
as the show goes. You can find us anywhere with
at signs. We are at flagged for content for like
the number, the digit. It's unfortunate, but that's how I
had to do it.
Speaker 3 (56:59):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
Or best case, you can go to our link tree,
which is just linktree dot com slash flagged for content
all spelled out, and that has literally everything and probably
more than you'd ever need to know. So yeah, I
think that's basically it for us. A deep I going
(57:20):
through my notebook right now. I don't know how to
close this thing out. Man, Could you give me a hand?
Speaker 3 (57:25):
Yeah? I guess if people hated this episode, I don't
think there's a need to report us because we've already been.
Speaker 2 (57:34):
For content nailed it all right, man, thank you so much.
We will go out on that and uh, some of
you I'll see on the Patreon. Awesome. No, that that
was perfect.
Speaker 5 (57:51):
That worked on your end, that was perfect.
Speaker 3 (57:55):
I don't have anything. Just raise those flags, not the walls.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
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