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September 24, 2023 58 mins

In this episode, Phil and Susie talk with Todd "YoyoFox" Rollenhagen.  Phil met Todd through the yoyo community and discovered that he was an exBaptist agnostic with a big heart and some interesting life experiences.  Todd tells his story of how and why he left church, doesn't believe in a god, but still remains spiritual and open to other experiences.  He also has some thoughts about the church and how it's causing damage to humanity.  We hope you enjoy this wide ranging conversation. 

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