November 8, 2023 • 31 mins
FlipSister Chanel in Portland shares her journey from overcoming fears to making an impressive $40k in just three months on her first house flip!
We delve into the mindset of assembling a reliable team, managing budgets, and dealing with unexpected surprises during renovation.
Her insights on trusting your gut, surrounding yourself with uplifting people on a similar journey, welcoming problems, not comparing yourself to others, and more are some of the big takeaways of this episode.
She also shares with us:
- How she found it
- How she financed it
- The challenges she faced with the property
- What she learned about herself
- What she'll do differently on her next flip
....and so much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to the Flip Houses Like a Girl
podcast, where we educate,empower and celebrate everyday
women who are facing their fears, juggling family and business,
embracing their awesomeness andwholeheartedly chasing their
dream of flipping houses.
Each episode delivers honest togoodness tools, tips and
(00:21):
strategies you can implementtoday to get closer to your
first or next successful houseflip.
Here's your spiky hairedbreakfast taco loving host,
house flipping coach, DebbieDeViery.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Hey there, thanks for hanging out with us today.
On this episode, I amintroducing you to Chanel in
Portland, and she's walking usthrough her first flip, in which
she made $40k in three months.
We talk about her big fear ofnot being able to find a team.
(01:02):
Mainly, would she be able tofind contractors that really
want to work and show up and bereliable and consistent.
Yes, there are fantasticcontractors out there.
There are fantastic.
Every single team member youhave.
There are fantastic ones outthere.
Anyway, she talks to us aboutthat, and she talks to us about
(01:24):
the importance of trusting yourgut.
Hello, is that a theme on everysingle episode?
We also talk about getting inand quickly out of comparison.
Also, how important it is tolean into the people who are
rallying around you and liftingyou up.
That's exactly what our groupdoes and the importance of being
(01:48):
able to problem solve.
You can't crumble when aproblem comes up.
If you do, that's probably asign that this isn't the right
business for you, just beinghonest.
And then we also talk about how, even though things are
budgeted, it's still really hardfor her to write a big check.
(02:09):
Oh my gosh, it's such a greatconversation.
She's talking to us about thechallenges of the house,
surprises, how she found it, howshe financed it, all of that
good stuff and more.
All right, let's get into thisconversation with Chanel.
So let's start with youintroducing yourself, letting us
(02:31):
know who you are, where you are, kind of what you're up to,
aside from clipping houses.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, so my name's Chanel, I live.
I just moved to CamusWashington, which is just
outside Vancouver, washington.
But I lived in Portland forabout five years and that's
where I flipped my firstproperty.
What I'm up to, I currentlyjust moved, so I'm unpacking my
house, but I'm alsosimultaneously looking for the
(02:59):
next flip.
But it's interesting, I'mlearning that the winters in
well, portland and Washingtonkind of govern what kind of
property you're going to buy andwhen, because you want it to go
on the market in springultimately.
So the type of property thatI'm going to pick next is
governed by the weather.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Just make sure the longer timeline works in your DA
Exactly.
It's as simple as that.
I know people get worried aboutthe winter, but it's like just
make sure you can hold it for acouple extra months if you need
to.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
All of that, people taking time off and everything
is just going to be a littlemore.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
So just add that into your DA, you're totally fine.
So wait, what made you?
What took you from Portland towhere?
Did you say Washington?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
West Washington.
It's just a quiet littlecommunity outside Vancouver.
Washington Got it Well.
I think we all know about theissues that Portland has with
the homeless and it's just acompletely different city.
After the pandemic, great placeto flip, had no problem finding
homes to flip there.
But yeah, so that's what I'mdoing.
(04:09):
I'm looking for my next flip.
It has to be the right one andI'm ready to go.
This process has been super,super fun.
I feel like it's just theperfect combination of challenge
and learning and gratificationpersonal gratification that I've
been looking for in all of theprevious careers that I've had
(04:33):
and for all those women wantingto quit their corporate job or
the careers they've been inforever.
As long as you're good atproblem solving, do it.
It's like I've had verystressful, male dominated
careers in the past and it justit's stressful and it's hard
(04:56):
work, but it's different stress.
You're in control and youdictate how it goes, dictate
who's on your team.
It's just, it's so gratifyingand it's so hard, but it's so
much fun I've agreed.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
All of that agreed, okay.
So what were you doing beforeyou got into flipping?
What kind of work were youdoing?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I owned a couple of my own businesses, like I used
to have my own salon.
I owned a farm at one point oh,that's cool.
Auto industry I was inmanufacturing, so my previous
careers really prepped me forworking in a male dominated
industry and also the projectmanagement factor has really
(05:48):
given me a leg up Again.
I love to problem solve, sothat really makes it.
That's exciting for me.
So that's the part of this nowbusiness that I really enjoy,
because it's really renovating ahouse.
You're taking something with abunch of problems and you're
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solving it and presenting thisbeautiful product at the end,
which is the same thread inmanufacturing and farming and
the auto industry.
So there's kind of that commonthread.
So I feel like I was a littlebit more prepared going into
this than some might be.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
But if you're able to learn and if you're able to
solve problems and a little bitof accounting, yeah, honestly,
people who freak out at anylittle problem, this isn't going
to be a great fit for you, butif you thrive off of challenges
(06:50):
and problems and problem solving, it's like this place is
awesome.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, and you don't even need to be a whiz Like I'm
terrible at math.
I'm so bad at math it is not mylanguage and I'm a very visual
person too, so I might go aboutthings like someone might be
very, have a very liquid wayabout translating numbers and
data, Whereas I don't.
I'm more of an art brain.
(07:15):
So a lot of the tools that yougave us has gave me so much
confidence.
I mean, it gave me a push.
I needed to get into this, butalso all of your spreadsheets
and whatnot.
It really helps hone it all in.
And then, on top of that, ifyou want to go further, I ended
(07:36):
up, because I'm a visual person,I ended up adding Gantt charts
so I could see what task isoverlapping with another, and it
really helped me stay on task.
It helped me to stay ontimeline.
I also do it's called Freeformor something.
It's on my Apple computer Makelittle image boards.
(07:59):
The writing that I picked.
I put it on.
You are my kind of nerd.
Yeah, I see that's what thevibe of the house is going to be
.
Yeah, and I followed that and Ifelt like it helped hone in and
make everything that I picked,decor-wise or fixtures.
It made everything cohesive andmade it look more high-end.
(08:21):
I mean, I'm definitely a veryfrugal person and I online shop
like crazy to find the best dealthat looks the most high-end.
But just seeing it all in oneplace really gives you that mood
board, if you will, Helps youstick mask problem solve.
Like oh crap, I need to buyanother fixture.
(08:42):
Put it in the mood board, OKyeah, that fits or that makes it
look a little shabby.
I'll switch this out withsomething else.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I love using different tools for different
things.
Even though maybe it wasn'tcreated for that, it's like I'm
going to use it in this way andit works for me this way, yeah,
so let's walk through your firstslip.
How did you find it?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I found it on FSBO for salebyownercom.
They have a foreclosuresfeature, yeah.
So I actually found it throughthere and I ended up plugging it
into Zillow and it was on theMLS.
But finding it on FSBO kind ofweeded through all of the other
ways that I could have searchedfor it.
(09:31):
But that's just where I found itand I found a realtor and she
is incredible Good.
Another tool that just helpedme have so much confidence in
what I'm doing.
Yeah, she helped me get it.
It was a foreclosure.
It's been on the market foreverbecause it was a hoarder's home
(09:53):
.
And who wants that?
I do.
It's funny because my realtorhad been telling me oh yeah, I
just flipped this hoarder'shouse and I was like I could
never do that.
That's so icky.
I wouldn't want to wear arespirator all day, but it's
funny.
I was actually reflecting theother day.
(10:14):
You know those posts onlinethat are like would you do this
for a million dollars?
Would you wear a respirator andscrape human diarrhea off a
wall for $40,000?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I guess that's my number.
That's hilarious, yeah, justnot too much number it was.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
So I got it and it was a foreclosure.
So luckily all of the trash andall that had already been
removed.
The carpet had been removed, soit still was like walking in.
There was a punch in the face,yeah, with in, with your sensory
.
But if you look at it fromsolving a problem, the owner had
(10:56):
let their pets.
They didn't let their petsoutside, so they just used that
for was.
So, yeah, it.
It had so much wallpaper and Ifound out later that it was some
of it was pasted up with thatlike old school Flower and water
paste.
So it was like scraping doughoff of the wall.
(11:16):
I was just pulling my hair out.
Yeah, there was.
There was poo everywhere, oh,just every little crevice, even
a pie Mouse poo everywhere.
There he goes.
It was slattered on the wallsin the bathroom it was in
Corners, it would.
(11:37):
There's just a layer of filthon Everything, like on the
dining, the dining room lightfixture.
There was like black dripsfrozen in time.
It was so gross, um, but I justlooked at it like I think it's
just that girl grit in us.
(11:58):
I just looked at it as anobjective.
It is a job right done.
The respirator on and I learnedhow to breathe through that
thing and I just told Peoplethat were coming in the
subcontractors, here's whatyou're walking into and then you
know they handle it Howeverthey do.
I feel like when you know onthose murder Both, when they
(12:23):
like, put Vix and their nose sothey can't smell.
I feel like I should have donethat for them, but I didn't
think of it, but anyway, yeah,so I um, the deal was really
tight and so I ended up Managingmyself.
I did speak to a GC, but youknow they they do cost a decent
(12:44):
amount of money and it justdidn't my budget and my realtor
has a building background, soshe's kind of my GC, like she
just tells me like this needs tobe fixed.
So she's really awesome thatway.
But, um, yeah, I managed tomyself and I kind of wanted to
because I wanted to learn howthings work.
Like, I learned so much.
(13:05):
I know the other that, like, Ithought that a shower fixture,
you just like pop it on, no, youhave to open the wall, and I
just had no idea.
So, yeah, I'm really lucky thatthe things that popped up were
Manageable.
But, um, yeah, I learned a lot.
(13:25):
So, as far as the numbers, yeah, so what did you pay for it?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, so I paid 202 for it.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Okay, and my original renovation budget, just being a
novice, um, I arrived at 35grand.
It ended up being 41 grand.
Okay, that's terrible, yeah.
And the continuity was you know, it was there and I'm glad it
was.
That padded, yeah, nice, and itcovered all the surprises that
(13:55):
came up.
My original ARV was 315, basedon the comps and two that might.
It was my first time I wasworking with that realtor, so
she didn't know how good of ajob I was going to do.
I mean, I don't either.
So 315 is my number.
I ended up.
My sales price was, uh, 319.9and my profit ended up being 40
(14:16):
grand.
Nice.
And what was the total timeframe?
A purchase to sale was threemonths.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
So my renovation was two months.
I kicked ass like I.
I stacked people luckilycorrectly, so they weren't on.
You know, working against eachother and yeah and um.
That's awesome.
How did you?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
finance it.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
So I was surprised.
But, um, I just Kind ofvocalized that I was doing this
and my, my father actually cameforth and gave me a private
money loan Awesome, um, whichcomes with a different kind of
like guilt and nervous, and youknow that person, like you, have
to pay the back now, uh-huh.
Also, that connects to my whyis he's always supported me.
(15:09):
But I was finally like I'm in aposition now where I get to pay
you back your interest.
Yeah, it was.
It felt so good To pay him that.
Um, yeah, I got a private moneyloan and then I, I Funded the
Renault myself and, yeah, the uh, as far as I know, the uh as
far as surprises, it was thesurprises of a hoarder home and
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it was built in the 70s.
So, you know, a lot of woodpaneling, a lot of wallpaper.
I the the cabinets were in goodcondition.
In the kitchen I took out, youknow, the classic 70s uppers.
So fixing the drywall.
I knew that was gonna happen,but I thought I could save the
cabinets because they are indifferent, um, decent condition.
(15:52):
But I didn't look in them verydeeply and so once I started
tearing things out, there weremice had like eaten through the
bottom, oh gosh, great.
Like tunnels through eachcabinet, oh gosh.
And so I was like, okay, well,I can't say this.
And so we started ripping themout just me and my boyfriend,
(16:14):
because we had already done demoand there were just full rats
nests under each cabinet.
Like full rats nests.
That is so disgusting, oh, itwas so nasty.
So I was like, okay, well, nowI need to figure out a brand new
like kitchen brand new cabinets.
I had to go through Home Depotand then they didn't have the
right configuration in stock.
(16:34):
So my boyfriend's luckily veryhandy, he's a good contract.
He's not a contractor, but he'sgrown up doing those things, so
he ended up having to buildsome units.
We kind of just piece it alltogether.
It looked really good, itlooked actually pretty
professional and I had a reallygreat carpenter contractor who
(16:55):
was like all right, you got todo this and this.
And so I had a lot of awesomepeople on my team and then not
so great people that I, you know, hire again.
And that was one of my biggestfears was how am I gonna find my
team?
What if they suck?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
If their work sucks and I have to pay more to fix
what they did, which happened.
But it's just part of it and itdepends on your.
You really got to build strongrelationships and people have
referrals, but it's not alwaysgreat, so I don't know.
You just have to.
I can't imagine not managingmyself because I'm such a
(17:40):
perfectionist and but I ended upjust fixing what was not done
right.
But I know that not everyonehas that capability.
But yeah, you'll find some gemsand then you'll have to keep
finding them.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, yeah, exactly Okay.
So some people are so freakedout by the contractor thing and
have this whole story in theirhead that there are no good
contractors out there.
There are no good subs, thereare no good this.
So if that was such a big fearfor you, how did you get over it
?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
It is what it is.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Right, it's just part of it.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yeah, and I looked.
I guess some people couldprobably go to their investor
group communities and whatnot.
I mean, people through ourFacebook group have been amazing
and great and so helpful.
I belong to another Facebookgroup that's for contractors of
(18:41):
the city and so I'll just typein like I need a tile person by
this date.
Here's what the tile situationis.
And someone will pop up and youknow, quick isn't always
quality, but it just depends onmoney.
So you gotta watch them like ahawk and be like oh, I see that
one, can you fix that?
(19:02):
I'm just not full but also, youknow, humble about it.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, all right.
So it's just part of it.
Gotta do it, Okay.
Any other surprises, aside fromhaving to redo kitchen cabinets
that you didn't plan on?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yeah, I was really fortunate with this flip.
It really wasn't too bad.
The walls under all the woodpaneling were pretty rough, so I
ended up having to like remudsome of it or even just replace
the drywall on other parts.
So that was a cost.
I wasn't planning for that.
(19:40):
Opening the walls for theshower fixtures, some of the
walls we had to open on bothsides of the bathroom and even
like I felt a little like theintegrity comes in a little bit
there where, like sometimes youhave to cut corners to fix your
budget.
I picked fixtures that weren'tincredibly expensive and now
(20:05):
that I know that it's so hard tochange them, I maybe would have
spent a little bit more on them.
Just so that, yeah, I just Ididn't know.
All right, so we talked aboutthe numbers.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
We talked about the surprises.
Biggest fear about findingcontractors.
Was there anything else goingon?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Another fear of mine was oh, it's not really a fear,
it's just I'm a very frugalperson and so spending money
makes me nauseous, especiallywriting huge checks.
Even if it's there, even ifit's built in, I still feel
weird spending it.
But I've actually learned.
(20:47):
Actually, yesterday it wasanother big moment where I was
like you know, it was arealization moment.
Your time is valuable and so isyour mindset.
So if you run yourself raggedto the point where you're just
burnt out, you're gonna make baddecisions.
And so if you have to pay alittle extra for someone to help
(21:10):
, like for someone to clean upyour construction materials,
instead of you personally goingto the dump and doing it, just
do it.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Oh my God, you learned that way faster than I
did.
It took me five, five years.
It took me five, five years tostop doing stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I just kind of did it yesterday where I was like I
have all these materials left.
My house is going on the markettoday.
I don't my arm hurts like I'mtired, I need to unpack my house
.
My mom's coming this weekendlike I just need someone else to
do it.
And so I just hired someone andthey were happy to do it.
(21:48):
They got paid, I get to sitaround and talk to you, so it
worked out really well on it.
It might be a little painful tosee that dollar amount come out
, but it's, it's in the budget,so just it's there.
It's for your comfort.
Your mind is important too.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Absolutely.
Yeah, such a good point.
Okay, what else?
What year was the house itlooked?
And you know what I don't did.
You post before photos BecauseI don't remember nasty.
Then I need to go find them.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I don't remember like nasty photos I couple real
nasty ones, uh-huh, because itwas like pictures of like
close-up of poo.
So I only, like I, restrictedthe numbers of those, but I did
post the before's and I Thinkjust a couple weeks later I
posted the after's okay, I'mgonna go find those before's it
(22:47):
was Built in the 70s, I think 74.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Why is it interesting ?
Okay, so you did a really goodupdate on it then.
Because, like, even the floorplan looked more like 80s, 90s
for the areas that I'm in.
So that was interesting.
I thought you would.
I thought it for sure was gonnabe like an 80s or 90s.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
No, I was actually surprised too.
It was a really good floor plan.
First, it wasn'tcompartmentalized, very open for
a seven.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yes, yeah, okay, let's see, I think we hit on all
this stuff.
Is there anything we didn'ttouch on that we wanted to?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I guess a little bit of a mind set piece, because
that's what kind of clicked forme at the end.
I went into it with the skillof Disassociating feelings from
business transactions, which isPretty hard for most people, and
(23:50):
I just learned that, you know,based on my unique experience
and I still feel that, like,when I see a house, I really I
feel emotionally connected to it, but I've had to pedal back and
be like no, it's business.
Do the numbers work?
Does this work?
I Would say disassociate strongfeelings with business
(24:13):
transactions, but do not turnoff your gut.
Your gut is so, so valuable andthat's something that that's a
big, big lesson that I'velearned over the years and it
really, really gave me a leg upwhen I came into this business.
It's so hard to do and If youcan master that, it'll take you
(24:38):
far.
It's just that no one caresthat you're on your period and
you're having a hard day Knowwhat?
Especially working with when abusiness capacity like they
don't care that your kids werecrying in the morning and you
couldn't get out, they don'tcare, like they're here to do
their job.
You're there to do your job,but when you find someone who
(25:01):
cares, that's what it's specialand like that's why this group
is so special, because you givea crap right, the community
gives a crap and they're therefor each other during those
moments.
And you get those, thatblindness where if you're
looking at someone else'sproject, you can be like, oh
yeah, I do this and this, butwhen it's your own, you're blind
(25:24):
.
Yeah, just need that little bitof push or just something that
Opens your eyes, a little bitlike when we're talking about I
want to do a flip in anotherstate.
How do I do that when I don'ttrust people, I don't have
resources, and you were like, oh, just have one of the girls.
The project manager was like,oh yeah, why didn't I think of
(25:50):
that?
Like I might have thought ofthat if I was talking to someone
else.
But being in my own situation,this group is such a big
resource you feel shame aboutwhat you're posting either, like
, even if it's something small,don't feel embarrassed about it.
And also don't compare yourselfto other people.
(26:10):
I learned that too because myunique situation.
I learned that it gives medifferent advantages than others
, but others you just can'tcompare.
I know it's hard and.
(26:31):
People who have the kids that dokids.
I don't have kids, I just haveme, my boyfriend, and I can't
imagine so the people that havekids.
There's a lot of women in thisgroup who do it.
It's so impressive if they cando it like who can't, but you do
have that piece where you haveto be able to problem solve.
(26:53):
That's really cool.
No-transcript.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yeah, the comparison thing is huge.
Yeah, and that's in everything.
I mean everything we do.
It's so hard not to.
But the thing is is we're like,especially with social media,
we're only seeing what we see.
We have no idea what the hellthe person is going through, we
have no idea what they've beenthrough, we have no idea.
(27:20):
We've made up a story aboutthat person in our head when
really you have no idea.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
You see the narrative that someone presents to you
Like it goes so much deeper thanthat.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, you see all the highlights.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I compare myself too, and you know, when I look
through the business cards ofeveryone's, yeah, I compare mine
to everyone else's, but itdepends on the like.
What kind of market are theyselling in?
Maybe they are gearing towardsfamilies and they want a more
friendly looking card, whereasmine are architectural and I'm
going to different demographics.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
And they all work.
Yeah, that's the beauty of thisbusiness, honestly, is it can
look however you want it to look, meaning you can be the GC or
not, you can flip small houses,you can flip large houses, you
can do it anywhere.
Yeah, it all works.
Every single person can make itwork, but if problems freak you
(28:17):
out, probably not the rightplace.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Scrappy and the source.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
I love it.
I think those are awesomepoints for sure, and there are
things people need to hear.
The mindset stuff is the onlyreason somebody hasn't flipped a
house is because of whateverstories they're telling
themselves, that's it.
That's the only thing.
It's the most important piece,so yeah, that's awesome stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Yeah, it's hard to see again when it's yourself.
You're blind.
It's hard to see yourself.
You're way out of a situationtoo.
It's a mindset problem.
Sherry Jo's awesome.
She flips you and you're like,oh OK, I just need to search
somewhere else or I just need totalk to someone else.
Surround myself with someoneelse and you'll find the reasons
(29:10):
.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yes, totally Well, you made $40k in three months.
Not too shabby kid, not bad,not too shabby, and you enjoyed
it.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
I enjoyed it.
I'm going to do it again.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Awesome.
Well, I know you have so muchlife happening right now, so
thanks for taking the time tohang out with me.
I loved getting to know youbetter and just kind of chilling
and hanging out and chattingwith you, so thanks for hanging
out with me.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah, I appreciate you so much.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Same.
So, OK, we'll see in the group.
And, yeah, post your next deal.
I will.
I will.
Ok, thanks for watching.
Thanks, Chanel, Fantasticconversation.
Thank you again, Chanel.
And just as she said, it waspossible for her and it is
possible for you.
(30:00):
You just have to take action,Get the knowledge, get educated
and surround yourself withpeople who are on the same
journey and who lift you up, Notthe naysayers, Not the people
who are constantly telling youno, it's not possible.
Well, guess what?
So you know what the people whosay it's not possible all have
(30:22):
in common they are not doing thething.
So if they aren't doing thething you want to be doing in
the way you want to be doing it,why on earth do you give their
opinions any sort of value?
Exactly, OK.
So if you want our help tochase the stream of yours, if
(30:46):
you want the step-by-steps, theprocesses, the checklists, the
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Ok, until next time, go outthere, flip houses like a girl,
(31:06):
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Here's your spiky hairedbreakfast taco loving host,
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Speaker 2 (00:41):
Hey there, thanks for hanging out with us today.
On this episode, I amintroducing you to Chanel in
Portland, and she's walking usthrough her first flip, in which
she made $40k in three months.
We talk about her big fear ofnot being able to find a team.
(01:02):
Mainly, would she be able tofind contractors that really
want to work and show up and bereliable and consistent.
Yes, there are fantasticcontractors out there.
There are fantastic.
Every single team member youhave.
There are fantastic ones outthere.
Anyway, she talks to us aboutthat, and she talks to us about
(01:24):
the importance of trusting yourgut.
Hello, is that a theme on everysingle episode?
We also talk about getting inand quickly out of comparison.
Also, how important it is tolean into the people who are
rallying around you and liftingyou up.
That's exactly what our groupdoes and the importance of being
(01:48):
able to problem solve.
You can't crumble when aproblem comes up.
If you do, that's probably asign that this isn't the right
business for you, just beinghonest.
And then we also talk about how, even though things are
budgeted, it's still really hardfor her to write a big check.
(02:09):
Oh my gosh, it's such a greatconversation.
She's talking to us about thechallenges of the house,
surprises, how she found it, howshe financed it, all of that
good stuff and more.
All right, let's get into thisconversation with Chanel.
So let's start with youintroducing yourself, letting us
(02:31):
know who you are, where you are, kind of what you're up to,
aside from clipping houses.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, so my name's Chanel, I live.
I just moved to CamusWashington, which is just
outside Vancouver, washington.
But I lived in Portland forabout five years and that's
where I flipped my firstproperty.
What I'm up to, I currentlyjust moved, so I'm unpacking my
house, but I'm alsosimultaneously looking for the
(02:59):
next flip.
But it's interesting, I'mlearning that the winters in
well, portland and Washingtonkind of govern what kind of
property you're going to buy andwhen, because you want it to go
on the market in springultimately.
So the type of property thatI'm going to pick next is
governed by the weather.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Just make sure the longer timeline works in your DA
Exactly.
It's as simple as that.
I know people get worried aboutthe winter, but it's like just
make sure you can hold it for acouple extra months if you need
to.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
All of that, people taking time off and everything
is just going to be a littlemore.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
So just add that into your DA, you're totally fine.
So wait, what made you?
What took you from Portland towhere?
Did you say Washington?
Speaker 3 (03:46):
West Washington.
It's just a quiet littlecommunity outside Vancouver.
Washington Got it Well.
I think we all know about theissues that Portland has with
the homeless and it's just acompletely different city.
After the pandemic, great placeto flip, had no problem finding
homes to flip there.
But yeah, so that's what I'mdoing.
(04:09):
I'm looking for my next flip.
It has to be the right one andI'm ready to go.
This process has been super,super fun.
I feel like it's just theperfect combination of challenge
and learning and gratificationpersonal gratification that I've
been looking for in all of theprevious careers that I've had
(04:33):
and for all those women wantingto quit their corporate job or
the careers they've been inforever.
As long as you're good atproblem solving, do it.
It's like I've had verystressful, male dominated
careers in the past and it justit's stressful and it's hard
(04:56):
work, but it's different stress.
You're in control and youdictate how it goes, dictate
who's on your team.
It's just, it's so gratifyingand it's so hard, but it's so
much fun I've agreed.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
All of that agreed, okay.
So what were you doing beforeyou got into flipping?
What kind of work were youdoing?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I owned a couple of my own businesses, like I used
to have my own salon.
I owned a farm at one point oh,that's cool.
Auto industry I was inmanufacturing, so my previous
careers really prepped me forworking in a male dominated
industry and also the projectmanagement factor has really
(05:48):
given me a leg up Again.
I love to problem solve, sothat really makes it.
That's exciting for me.
So that's the part of this nowbusiness that I really enjoy,
because it's really renovating ahouse.
You're taking something with abunch of problems and you're
(06:10):
solving it and presenting thisbeautiful product at the end,
which is the same thread inmanufacturing and farming and
the auto industry.
So there's kind of that commonthread.
So I feel like I was a littlebit more prepared going into
this than some might be.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
But if you're able to learn and if you're able to
solve problems and a little bitof accounting, yeah, honestly,
people who freak out at anylittle problem, this isn't going
to be a great fit for you, butif you thrive off of challenges
(06:50):
and problems and problem solving, it's like this place is
awesome.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, and you don't even need to be a whiz Like I'm
terrible at math.
I'm so bad at math it is not mylanguage and I'm a very visual
person too, so I might go aboutthings like someone might be
very, have a very liquid wayabout translating numbers and
data, Whereas I don't.
I'm more of an art brain.
(07:15):
So a lot of the tools that yougave us has gave me so much
confidence.
I mean, it gave me a push.
I needed to get into this, butalso all of your spreadsheets
and whatnot.
It really helps hone it all in.
And then, on top of that, ifyou want to go further, I ended
(07:36):
up, because I'm a visual person,I ended up adding Gantt charts
so I could see what task isoverlapping with another, and it
really helped me stay on task.
It helped me to stay ontimeline.
I also do it's called Freeformor something.
It's on my Apple computer Makelittle image boards.
(07:59):
The writing that I picked.
I put it on.
You are my kind of nerd.
Yeah, I see that's what thevibe of the house is going to be
.
Yeah, and I followed that and Ifelt like it helped hone in and
make everything that I picked,decor-wise or fixtures.
It made everything cohesive andmade it look more high-end.
(08:21):
I mean, I'm definitely a veryfrugal person and I online shop
like crazy to find the best dealthat looks the most high-end.
But just seeing it all in oneplace really gives you that mood
board, if you will, Helps youstick mask problem solve.
Like oh crap, I need to buyanother fixture.
(08:42):
Put it in the mood board, OKyeah, that fits or that makes it
look a little shabby.
I'll switch this out withsomething else.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I love using different tools for different
things.
Even though maybe it wasn'tcreated for that, it's like I'm
going to use it in this way andit works for me this way, yeah,
so let's walk through your firstslip.
How did you find it?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I found it on FSBO for salebyownercom.
They have a foreclosuresfeature, yeah.
So I actually found it throughthere and I ended up plugging it
into Zillow and it was on theMLS.
But finding it on FSBO kind ofweeded through all of the other
ways that I could have searchedfor it.
(09:31):
But that's just where I found itand I found a realtor and she
is incredible Good.
Another tool that just helpedme have so much confidence in
what I'm doing.
Yeah, she helped me get it.
It was a foreclosure.
It's been on the market foreverbecause it was a hoarder's home
(09:53):
.
And who wants that?
I do.
It's funny because my realtorhad been telling me oh yeah, I
just flipped this hoarder'shouse and I was like I could
never do that.
That's so icky.
I wouldn't want to wear arespirator all day, but it's
funny.
I was actually reflecting theother day.
(10:14):
You know those posts onlinethat are like would you do this
for a million dollars?
Would you wear a respirator andscrape human diarrhea off a
wall for $40,000?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I guess that's my number.
That's hilarious, yeah, justnot too much number it was.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
So I got it and it was a foreclosure.
So luckily all of the trash andall that had already been
removed.
The carpet had been removed, soit still was like walking in.
There was a punch in the face,yeah, with in, with your sensory
.
But if you look at it fromsolving a problem, the owner had
(10:56):
let their pets.
They didn't let their petsoutside, so they just used that
for was.
So, yeah, it.
It had so much wallpaper and Ifound out later that it was some
of it was pasted up with thatlike old school Flower and water
paste.
So it was like scraping doughoff of the wall.
(11:16):
I was just pulling my hair out.
Yeah, there was.
There was poo everywhere, oh,just every little crevice, even
a pie Mouse poo everywhere.
There he goes.
It was slattered on the wallsin the bathroom it was in
Corners, it would.
(11:37):
There's just a layer of filthon Everything, like on the
dining, the dining room lightfixture.
There was like black dripsfrozen in time.
It was so gross, um, but I justlooked at it like I think it's
just that girl grit in us.
(11:58):
I just looked at it as anobjective.
It is a job right done.
The respirator on and I learnedhow to breathe through that
thing and I just told Peoplethat were coming in the
subcontractors, here's whatyou're walking into and then you
know they handle it Howeverthey do.
I feel like when you know onthose murder Both, when they
(12:23):
like, put Vix and their nose sothey can't smell.
I feel like I should have donethat for them, but I didn't
think of it, but anyway, yeah,so I um, the deal was really
tight and so I ended up Managingmyself.
I did speak to a GC, but youknow they they do cost a decent
(12:44):
amount of money and it justdidn't my budget and my realtor
has a building background, soshe's kind of my GC, like she
just tells me like this needs tobe fixed.
So she's really awesome thatway.
But, um, yeah, I managed tomyself and I kind of wanted to
because I wanted to learn howthings work.
Like, I learned so much.
(13:05):
I know the other that, like, Ithought that a shower fixture,
you just like pop it on, no, youhave to open the wall, and I
just had no idea.
So, yeah, I'm really lucky thatthe things that popped up were
Manageable.
But, um, yeah, I learned a lot.
(13:25):
So, as far as the numbers, yeah, so what did you pay for it?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, so I paid 202 for it.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Okay, and my original renovation budget, just being a
novice, um, I arrived at 35grand.
It ended up being 41 grand.
Okay, that's terrible, yeah.
And the continuity was you know, it was there and I'm glad it
was.
That padded, yeah, nice, and itcovered all the surprises that
(13:55):
came up.
My original ARV was 315, basedon the comps and two that might.
It was my first time I wasworking with that realtor, so
she didn't know how good of ajob I was going to do.
I mean, I don't either.
So 315 is my number.
I ended up.
My sales price was, uh, 319.9and my profit ended up being 40
(14:16):
grand.
Nice.
And what was the total timeframe?
A purchase to sale was threemonths.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
That's awesome.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
So my renovation was two months.
I kicked ass like I.
I stacked people luckilycorrectly, so they weren't on.
You know, working against eachother and yeah and um.
That's awesome.
How did you?
Speaker 2 (14:42):
finance it.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
So I was surprised.
But, um, I just Kind ofvocalized that I was doing this
and my, my father actually cameforth and gave me a private
money loan Awesome, um, whichcomes with a different kind of
like guilt and nervous, and youknow that person, like you, have
to pay the back now, uh-huh.
Also, that connects to my whyis he's always supported me.
(15:09):
But I was finally like I'm in aposition now where I get to pay
you back your interest.
Yeah, it was.
It felt so good To pay him that.
Um, yeah, I got a private moneyloan and then I, I Funded the
Renault myself and, yeah, the uh, as far as I know, the uh as
far as surprises, it was thesurprises of a hoarder home and
(15:32):
it was built in the 70s.
So, you know, a lot of woodpaneling, a lot of wallpaper.
I the the cabinets were in goodcondition.
In the kitchen I took out, youknow, the classic 70s uppers.
So fixing the drywall.
I knew that was gonna happen,but I thought I could save the
cabinets because they are indifferent, um, decent condition.
(15:52):
But I didn't look in them verydeeply and so once I started
tearing things out, there weremice had like eaten through the
bottom, oh gosh, great.
Like tunnels through eachcabinet, oh gosh.
And so I was like, okay, well,I can't say this.
And so we started ripping themout just me and my boyfriend,
(16:14):
because we had already done demoand there were just full rats
nests under each cabinet.
Like full rats nests.
That is so disgusting, oh, itwas so nasty.
So I was like, okay, well, nowI need to figure out a brand new
like kitchen brand new cabinets.
I had to go through Home Depotand then they didn't have the
right configuration in stock.
(16:34):
So my boyfriend's luckily veryhandy, he's a good contract.
He's not a contractor, but he'sgrown up doing those things, so
he ended up having to buildsome units.
We kind of just piece it alltogether.
It looked really good, itlooked actually pretty
professional and I had a reallygreat carpenter contractor who
(16:55):
was like all right, you got todo this and this.
And so I had a lot of awesomepeople on my team and then not
so great people that I, you know, hire again.
And that was one of my biggestfears was how am I gonna find my
team?
What if they suck?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
If their work sucks and I have to pay more to fix
what they did, which happened.
But it's just part of it and itdepends on your.
You really got to build strongrelationships and people have
referrals, but it's not alwaysgreat, so I don't know.
You just have to.
I can't imagine not managingmyself because I'm such a
(17:40):
perfectionist and but I ended upjust fixing what was not done
right.
But I know that not everyonehas that capability.
But yeah, you'll find some gemsand then you'll have to keep
finding them.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, yeah, exactly Okay.
So some people are so freakedout by the contractor thing and
have this whole story in theirhead that there are no good
contractors out there.
There are no good subs, thereare no good this.
So if that was such a big fearfor you, how did you get over it
?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
It is what it is.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Right, it's just part of it.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Yeah, and I looked.
I guess some people couldprobably go to their investor
group communities and whatnot.
I mean, people through ourFacebook group have been amazing
and great and so helpful.
I belong to another Facebookgroup that's for contractors of
(18:41):
the city and so I'll just typein like I need a tile person by
this date.
Here's what the tile situationis.
And someone will pop up and youknow, quick isn't always
quality, but it just depends onmoney.
So you gotta watch them like ahawk and be like oh, I see that
one, can you fix that?
(19:02):
I'm just not full but also, youknow, humble about it.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah, all right.
So it's just part of it.
Gotta do it, Okay.
Any other surprises, aside fromhaving to redo kitchen cabinets
that you didn't plan on?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yeah, I was really fortunate with this flip.
It really wasn't too bad.
The walls under all the woodpaneling were pretty rough, so I
ended up having to like remudsome of it or even just replace
the drywall on other parts.
So that was a cost.
I wasn't planning for that.
(19:40):
Opening the walls for theshower fixtures, some of the
walls we had to open on bothsides of the bathroom and even
like I felt a little like theintegrity comes in a little bit
there where, like sometimes youhave to cut corners to fix your
budget.
I picked fixtures that weren'tincredibly expensive and now
(20:05):
that I know that it's so hard tochange them, I maybe would have
spent a little bit more on them.
Just so that, yeah, I just Ididn't know.
All right, so we talked aboutthe numbers.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
We talked about the surprises.
Biggest fear about findingcontractors.
Was there anything else goingon?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Another fear of mine was oh, it's not really a fear,
it's just I'm a very frugalperson and so spending money
makes me nauseous, especiallywriting huge checks.
Even if it's there, even ifit's built in, I still feel
weird spending it.
But I've actually learned.
(20:47):
Actually, yesterday it wasanother big moment where I was
like you know, it was arealization moment.
Your time is valuable and so isyour mindset.
So if you run yourself raggedto the point where you're just
burnt out, you're gonna make baddecisions.
And so if you have to pay alittle extra for someone to help
(21:10):
, like for someone to clean upyour construction materials,
instead of you personally goingto the dump and doing it, just
do it.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Oh my God, you learned that way faster than I
did.
It took me five, five years.
It took me five, five years tostop doing stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I just kind of did it yesterday where I was like I
have all these materials left.
My house is going on the markettoday.
I don't my arm hurts like I'mtired, I need to unpack my house
.
My mom's coming this weekendlike I just need someone else to
do it.
And so I just hired someone andthey were happy to do it.
(21:48):
They got paid, I get to sitaround and talk to you, so it
worked out really well on it.
It might be a little painful tosee that dollar amount come out
, but it's, it's in the budget,so just it's there.
It's for your comfort.
Your mind is important too.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Absolutely.
Yeah, such a good point.
Okay, what else?
What year was the house itlooked?
And you know what I don't did.
You post before photos BecauseI don't remember nasty.
Then I need to go find them.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I don't remember like nasty photos I couple real
nasty ones, uh-huh, because itwas like pictures of like
close-up of poo.
So I only, like I, restrictedthe numbers of those, but I did
post the before's and I Thinkjust a couple weeks later I
posted the after's okay, I'mgonna go find those before's it
(22:47):
was Built in the 70s, I think 74.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Why is it interesting ?
Okay, so you did a really goodupdate on it then.
Because, like, even the floorplan looked more like 80s, 90s
for the areas that I'm in.
So that was interesting.
I thought you would.
I thought it for sure was gonnabe like an 80s or 90s.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
No, I was actually surprised too.
It was a really good floor plan.
First, it wasn'tcompartmentalized, very open for
a seven.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yes, yeah, okay, let's see, I think we hit on all
this stuff.
Is there anything we didn'ttouch on that we wanted to?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
I guess a little bit of a mind set piece, because
that's what kind of clicked forme at the end.
I went into it with the skillof Disassociating feelings from
business transactions, which isPretty hard for most people, and
(23:50):
I just learned that, you know,based on my unique experience
and I still feel that, like,when I see a house, I really I
feel emotionally connected to it, but I've had to pedal back and
be like no, it's business.
Do the numbers work?
Does this work?
I Would say disassociate strongfeelings with business
(24:13):
transactions, but do not turnoff your gut.
Your gut is so, so valuable andthat's something that that's a
big, big lesson that I'velearned over the years and it
really, really gave me a leg upwhen I came into this business.
It's so hard to do and If youcan master that, it'll take you
(24:38):
far.
It's just that no one caresthat you're on your period and
you're having a hard day Knowwhat?
Especially working with when abusiness capacity like they
don't care that your kids werecrying in the morning and you
couldn't get out, they don'tcare, like they're here to do
their job.
You're there to do your job,but when you find someone who
(25:01):
cares, that's what it's specialand like that's why this group
is so special, because you givea crap right, the community
gives a crap and they're therefor each other during those
moments.
And you get those, thatblindness where if you're
looking at someone else'sproject, you can be like, oh
yeah, I do this and this, butwhen it's your own, you're blind
(25:24):
.
Yeah, just need that little bitof push or just something that
Opens your eyes, a little bitlike when we're talking about I
want to do a flip in anotherstate.
How do I do that when I don'ttrust people, I don't have
resources, and you were like, oh, just have one of the girls.
The project manager was like,oh yeah, why didn't I think of
(25:50):
that?
Like I might have thought ofthat if I was talking to someone
else.
But being in my own situation,this group is such a big
resource you feel shame aboutwhat you're posting either, like
, even if it's something small,don't feel embarrassed about it.
And also don't compare yourselfto other people.
(26:10):
I learned that too because myunique situation.
I learned that it gives medifferent advantages than others
, but others you just can'tcompare.
I know it's hard and.
(26:31):
People who have the kids that dokids.
I don't have kids, I just haveme, my boyfriend, and I can't
imagine so the people that havekids.
There's a lot of women in thisgroup who do it.
It's so impressive if they cando it like who can't, but you do
have that piece where you haveto be able to problem solve.
(26:53):
That's really cool.
No-transcript.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yeah, the comparison thing is huge.
Yeah, and that's in everything.
I mean everything we do.
It's so hard not to.
But the thing is is we're like,especially with social media,
we're only seeing what we see.
We have no idea what the hellthe person is going through, we
have no idea what they've beenthrough, we have no idea.
(27:20):
We've made up a story aboutthat person in our head when
really you have no idea.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
You see the narrative that someone presents to you
Like it goes so much deeper thanthat.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, you see all the highlights.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I compare myself too, and you know, when I look
through the business cards ofeveryone's, yeah, I compare mine
to everyone else's, but itdepends on the like.
What kind of market are theyselling in?
Maybe they are gearing towardsfamilies and they want a more
friendly looking card, whereasmine are architectural and I'm
going to different demographics.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
And they all work.
Yeah, that's the beauty of thisbusiness, honestly, is it can
look however you want it to look, meaning you can be the GC or
not, you can flip small houses,you can flip large houses, you
can do it anywhere.
Yeah, it all works.
Every single person can make itwork, but if problems freak you
(28:17):
out, probably not the rightplace.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Scrappy and the source.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
I love it.
I think those are awesomepoints for sure, and there are
things people need to hear.
The mindset stuff is the onlyreason somebody hasn't flipped a
house is because of whateverstories they're telling
themselves, that's it.
That's the only thing.
It's the most important piece,so yeah, that's awesome stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Yeah, it's hard to see again when it's yourself.
You're blind.
It's hard to see yourself.
You're way out of a situationtoo.
It's a mindset problem.
Sherry Jo's awesome.
She flips you and you're like,oh OK, I just need to search
somewhere else or I just need totalk to someone else.
Surround myself with someoneelse and you'll find the reasons
(29:10):
.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yes, totally Well, you made $40k in three months.
Not too shabby kid, not bad,not too shabby, and you enjoyed
it.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
I enjoyed it.
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