When 12-year-old Amber Goodwin discovered glass painting in Pakistan, she couldn't have known her creative journey would require breaking free from cultural expectations, an arranged marriage, and toxic artistic communities before finding her authentic voice.
Growing up in a traditional household where art was "just a hobby," Amber faced immense pressure to pursue conventional careers despite her passion for creation. Years later, after living under her parents' roof into her thirties, she made the courageous decision to claim her independence—a choice that paralleled her artistic awakening. As she gained agency in her personal life, her creative confidence flourished, revealing the profound connection between personal autonomy and artistic authenticity.
Amber's most challenging moment came when a hurtful interaction with a fellow artist silenced her creativity for three months. The turning point arrived when another artist encouraged her: "The world cannot stop seeing your art." This powerful reminder became the catalyst for Amber to develop her unique textured dot technique, setting her apart in the fluid art community and helping her build a following of thousands.
Through her story, Amber distinguishes between toxic competitive environments and supportive artistic communities that celebrate each other's successes. By consciously surrounding herself with people who share her values of respect and mutual support, she created space for her authentic expression to thrive. Her journey demonstrates that staying true to ourselves often leads to our most meaningful artistic achievements.
Whether you're facing cultural barriers, critical voices, or self-doubt in your creative practice, Amber's advice resonates with universal wisdom: don't procrastinate on your dreams. Start today, live in the present, and take immediate action toward your creative goals. Visit ambergoodwinart.com to discover her distinctive textured artwork and connect with this inspiring creative voice.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
I'm just letting it go and I have.
It's been like a year now.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
How can you take your power back from her?
She took your power away withthat conversation that
conversation.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Well, I think I got most of it back by starting to
do art and really focus on stufflike creating this, like heavy
texture dots that I do it.
That helps me grow, I feel likethis incident into creating
something that none of the fluidartists or acrylic poor people
(00:52):
have done.
Um, it's a specific niche youknow that I created, so I think
that helped me.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Hello and welcome to another edition of For the Love
of Creatives podcast.
I'm your host, dwight, I'mjoined by Maddox, we're the
Connections and Community Guidesand today we're joined by our
featured guest Amber Goodwin.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Hi everybody, maddox and Dwight, thanks for having me
.
I'm so excited.
I'm Amber Goodwin.
I am a artist and my full-timejob I work at Texas Health,
dallas, but I love art and Ilove creating and I love being
part of the creative communityand so awesome to meet Dwight
(01:56):
and Maddox, who share the sametype of mindset as I do, so I'm
super excited to be here today.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
We're certainly glad you're here.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Also tell the audience how we met Amber.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
So we met of all places, at the Deep Ellum Arts
Festival.
That was their first year.
They restarted the festivalafter the original organizer
retired and I just saw Maddoxand Dwight strolling around and
they stopped by my booth and Iwas just immediately drawn to
(02:34):
both of y'all's kindness, um,and I just felt a connection,
and you actually liked mypaintings too, which was awesome
.
So it was.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
We did and we do.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, yeah, and I just I just had this ease of
like explaining my process toboth of you and just you
understood what I was saying andyeah, we met there and it was
like the luckiest meeting I'veever had.
I mean, I talked to a lot ofpeople at these shows, but they
(03:12):
don't turn into friendships asthis one has, and this was back
in, I believe, 2023, I believe.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah Time flies.
Yeah, and it's.
It's been a year and we're onto our what like second year and
yeah, just so, so amazing.
I mean that was the best time.
That was the best thing.
I feel like that came out ofthe show was getting to know you
both.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Thank you, we feel the same way, absolutely.
And for those that are watchingvideo, the painting to the left
of my cabinet back there thathas the big word authentic on it
is one of Amber's paintings.
There's a little bit of glareon it from the window.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, resin.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It's lovely, we love it.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Thank you.
Thank you, I'm glad it went toa good home.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Well, tell us a little bit about how it was that
you got started with creatingart.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
So originally I started art back when I was 12.
I was 12.
My mom had enrolled me in thisglass painting course which you
know you use this paint by Pebeocalled Vitrel.
It's really stinky, by the way,so make sure if you're going to
use it then wear properprotection Because, yeah, it
(04:41):
does smell really bad.
And yeah, it was just a lady who, I guess, used to live in
London and she went to artschool there and at that time I
lived in Pakistan, where myfamily's originally from.
I lived there for about fouryears, I want to say.
I want to say, and this ladyjust had, you know, she made a,
(05:09):
she bought a house and sheactually made this art school in
this property that she hadbought and she taught glass
painting, she taught silk,screen painting, um, just a lot
of stuff, and it was veryinteresting and she was good at
it too.
And so I would go there everySaturday for about six hours and
just paint on mirrors and glassand I learned to use this thing
(05:36):
called relief paint, which iskind of like an outlining you do
so the paint doesn't spreadaround.
So I learned that and I did itfor a while until we moved back
to the States and thosematerials weren't available here
, which I was kind of shockedbecause I thought everything
would be available here, youknow.
(05:58):
And then I, you know, when Iwent to college I started doing
a lot of watercolor art withwatercolors and my art teachers
there really pushed me to like,sketch and use watercolors.
And I actually had my firstexhibition in my sophomore year
(06:21):
during Black History Month,during Black History Month, and
I remember that a professorwanted to buy one of my floral
watercolor paintings but I just,I just could not part with any
of my stuff, so I was just Ididn't want to sell it to her
and I just said no, that's notfor sale.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
And.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I remember my dad was like oh, why?
Didn't you sell it Like, likeshe, you know, just sell your
stuff.
And at that time I was justlike, oh well, do I really want
to sell my stuff?
You know my art, and that was adifficult thing, which is still
a little difficult sometimes,to part with art.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Um, it's.
It sounds like your art isreally for you.
Yeah, yeah, for you, yeah.
I have a question when, at 12,when you started painting on
glass, was that your idea or wasit mom's?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
It.
Actually it was my idea.
And it was my idea because Isaw my aunts, which are my dad's
, my dad's side of the family.
They were doing it and theyhave no proper training and I
just it's a pretty popular thingto do in Pakistan, the glass
(07:44):
painting.
A pretty popular thing to do inPakistan, the glass painting.
But they were the first oneswho I saw in my circle actually
do glass painting.
And I remember my eldest auntshe I don't know if you're
familiar with those paintings oflike the persian mythology
(08:05):
where they have the very daintylooking, you know people.
They're like kind of white, youknow they're painted white and
they have very intricate likedesigns, like persian motifs and
and stuff.
And uh, my eldest aunt wouldactually paint those.
They look very like, I wouldsay, the oriental paintings back
(08:29):
from that time, kind of likethose oriental paintings where
you saw like the reds and theblues and the golds.
So she would glass paint thoseand I thought, oh, that's really
cool, I want to learn this andI don't know why she wouldn't
like teach me, which was kind ofweird.
(08:50):
So I did talk to my mom and shefound the school.
I don't know how she found thislady.
But she found this lady and Iwent and I made a lot of last
paintings there andunfortunately we couldn't bring
them since we were moving backand my brother broke a few
(09:12):
because he was playing I don'tknow cricket in the house.
So he smashed a few of mypaintings which, um, it was
horrible back then but now whenI think about it it's like kind
of funny that he broke thembecause, like, I can make them
again, I guess.
Um, but yeah, it started outwith my aunts and then my mom
(09:39):
saw the interest and she waslike well, you know, amber needs
to do a hobby, uh, outside ofschool.
So that's how it all startedand my mom would go with me.
My mom, um, that's actually theone time we actually were able
to kind of bond, because shewent and did the silk painting
(10:01):
part there, yeah, and shepainted a sari.
I remember I think I still haveit.
She dyed the fabric, you know,first, and it was like a ombre
green, like a pistachio green,and then it went to like a dark
green and then she painted likethese really beautiful pink
(10:23):
tiger lilies on them and wewould go together and that was
was like I had a lot of fungoing with her.
Um.
So, yeah, that it brings backgood memories of of my mom and I
going together and beingcreative together, you know it
sounds like your family wassupportive of your creative
(10:44):
desires.
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Because we do, we talk, have a lot of these
conversations and it's amazinghow many creatives report that
family was not so supportive.
It's like, what are you doing?
Like get a real job type, youknow thing you know thing.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, I think back then, like they kind of, I feel
like my mom and my dad viewed itas just a hobby.
Because when I went to collegeit kind of shifted.
It was like, oh no, like youneed to be a doctor or or a
lawyer or an engineer, so, um,they were always or an engineer,
(11:30):
so, um, they were always, um,open to the, I guess, the hobby
part of it.
But I don't think they've everviewed it as being a career,
which to me I wanted it toalways be a career, um, and it
was just kind of frowned upon.
Uh, that's.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
That's a cultural thing, though, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yes, it absolutely is , which is kind of sad because
my youngest aunt she was a shepassed away.
She was a set designer for thePakistan television um channel,
which is like kind of like PBSthere television um channel,
which is like kind of like pbsthere.
(12:10):
And then she used to set design, um, and she actually went to
art school, um, she went to thiscollege called the national
college of arts, um, which is acollege that was built when the
british ruled over, uh, pakistanand india, um, so they created
like these colleges and that westill students go to today, uh,
(12:32):
and they're considered prettyprestigious.
So she went to this nationalcollege of arts and she got her
degree from there, uh.
Her daughter followed herfootsteps and got a degree in
textile art, uh, which is prettypopular there as as well.
So, uh, they would always belike, oh look she's, she's, she
(12:55):
struggles.
You know like you'll end uplike her.
And she did struggle, but Imean, she wasn't in a good
marriage and, uh, she kind ofhad to, you know, make ends meet
on her own and I felt like shedid not have the support that
she needed.
Um yeah and it trickled down tothe generations to to come.
(13:20):
But I have to give it to herfor doing what she had always
loved to do, which was her art,and she oil painted.
And I felt like she was alwayscompared to my elder aunt and
everybody was like, oh yeah, shedoes really good art and her
(13:40):
paintings are really good, and Ifelt like she was always
compared.
And my eldest aunt is like amath genius.
Um, she, she was always intostatistics and all those number
things.
Um, and I didn't really likethat, you know, being compared.
Uh.
(14:00):
So yeah, I kind of think aboutit and she's kind of.
My inspiration, I would say, isthat she stood her ground and
basically died doing what sheloved to do.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Couldn't want for more than that, could we?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Couldn't want for more than that.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, yeah absolutely .
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I mean the heart wants what the heart wants.
So in my life I've seen so manypeople sell out and give up
what they love to take a jobthat makes money, thinking that
that was the right way to go,and most of them are miserable
at the end of their life.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Oh, yeah, absolutely, which I have a really great
example.
We have friends, or my parentshave friends, who are doctors,
you know, and stuff, and that'sthe one thing they complain
about is that, oh, we neverwanted to be a physician, like I
(15:06):
wanted to, like be a softwareengineer, I wanted to write like
a program, you know.
Or one lady wanted to be a cheffrom one of my dad's friend,
his wife but they were alwayspushed and you can see like
they're just not happy.
(15:28):
You know, it's kind of like arobot, like, oh, they wake up,
go to work.
It's just they're just nothappy and yeah, they may be
stable and and stuff, but it'slike, are you really happy?
And art makes me happy.
So that's why I do it and itwould be nice to be a full-time
(15:48):
thing and I'm working towardsthat and being more confident in
reaching that goal, because Iwant people to be inspired and
not think that, oh, you have tobe something that your family
tells you to be.
I feel like it's a little bitof manipulation to me sometimes
(16:13):
and I don't want to do that tomy kids.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I think it's definitely manipulation.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
It is.
It's the subtle way that we'rebullied, we're trained.
It's the subtle way that we'rebullied, we're trained.
So how is it that you are ableto move past that and, instead
of being forced to do what youhave to do to earn a living or
to earn the acceptance of yourfamily, to go toward what you
(16:43):
want to do?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Right, that took a long time for me to gain that
confidence and and, as I wouldsay, a Brown person, my parents
aren't very like religious, butI mean they do follow like the
traditions, like not dating andstuff that was frowned upon and
(17:09):
uh, so that there were certainthings like we couldn't go spend
the night at our friend's house, uh.
So I just broke away from allthat and that happened when I
actually met my husband.
Um, I was 30, I think I was 31or 32 and I still lived with my
(17:32):
parents.
I'd moved back in with them andI they were always trying to
like arrange my marriage and andand stuff.
And I don't know if y'all know,but I was married before.
I had an arranged marriage.
My dad arranged my marriage andit was to an Indian guy who we
(17:55):
thought was on a student visa,but he was actually on a visit
visa.
I found that out when we wentfor our interview.
It's very grueling process andhe had overstayed on his visa
and as soon as he got his greencard he left and yeah, and that
(18:16):
was a very hard time for me.
It took me years to get overthat.
I feel like I still don't haveclosure, but you kind of have to
move on.
So my parents, after that wholeordeal, were still trying to
look, and I would always getwhen they would try to arrange
(18:41):
these meetings with these menand their family.
When they would try to arrangethese meetings, like with these,
you know, men and their family,like the minute they would find
out I'm not a doctor or I'm not, like you know, in a prominent
field, they would just ghost myparents and I thought to myself
I'm like, I'm always going to bestuck here, I'm always going to
(19:14):
be stuck at my parents' housedoing what they tell me to do
and I'm 30, like I'm 31.
And, um, again the wholemanipulation, like oh, you live
in our house, you know, um, andI kind of just I know this
sounds bad I went behind theirback and started dating online
and that's how I met my husband.
I met my husband on online.
I know a lot of people say alot of stuff about online dating
and, trust me, I've I had ahard time but thankfully I met
(19:36):
my husband and he was totallyokay how my parents were,
because any other normal guywould be like I don't want to
deal with this.
This is like you're a grownperson, you know.
But he was okay with it and heplanned a camping trip and my
(19:56):
parents wouldn't let me go and Ijust thought I don't want to be
stuck here.
I cannot be stuck here doing inin everything like whether it's
dating or art or whateverdecision that I make.
I can't do this I.
It takes a lot of courage tojust walk away from your parents
(20:17):
and because you have the fearof, oh, you're going to, you
know, get rejected or they'lljust not like you, just these
fears, or you're going to letthem down, that's the biggest
(20:37):
one.
And so I got the courage tomove out and I moved.
I moved out and my parents werevery hurt by that, and but I
feel like that is the bestdecision that I made for myself
(21:09):
to do my art and to think thatthis can be something that can
be done full time if you havethe right tools and the right
strategy, the right planning todo so.
I was like I cannot deal withpeople saying that, oh, you
can't make anything off of it,and why do you always have to
make everything off of somethingthat you love?
Just share what you're doing,share your creativity, and to me
(21:31):
that stuff will come, you know,um.
So just taking that step ofmoving out has really helped me
in a lot of stuff, especiallythe art as as well, because it's
given me the confidence thatyou don't always have to listen,
you don't always have to havesomeone in your ear telling you
(21:51):
that, oh, this isn't going towork out Like you have to.
If you, if you fail, you haveto fail and learn from that.
Um, I hope I'm making sensehere.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Oh, it's perfect sense.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Perfect sense.
I just want to acknowledge thatyou took a bold and brave move
and you know I want to championyou for making the decision to
have agency in your own life.
Yeah, absolutely.
I got to ask have you fullyacknowledged yourself for that?
(22:29):
I mean in really really fullyacknowledged yourself for that?
That's huge.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Um, I haven't, but I should, um, and I think the
thing that holds me back is, uh,and maybe I want some assurance
from, like, my husband, youknow, because he's always
talking about powerful women inhis life, like his granny, who's
(22:57):
like 102, and then his mom, butI don't get anything from him
like, oh, like you, because it'sa big deal in our culture for a
female to move out and to marrysomeone who's a non-muslim.
By the way, like my husbanddidn't convert, I didn't ask to
(23:18):
convert, um, so I guess I'mwanting some words of
affirmation from him to kind ofseal that deal.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
uh, but I can, I give you a little clue sure you
probably won't get that from himuntil you can give it to you ah
, that's a good one.
Yeah, that's true you mean youcan't expect him to celebrate
(23:53):
something about you that youhaven't been willing to
celebrate about you?
You just talked about what abig deal it was in your culture
to make that decision to moveout to marry a non-Muslim.
And it is huge to marry anon-Muslim and it is huge and
you're in a tiny percentage ofwomen that would have made the
(24:18):
choice to be that courageousRight and you're not getting the
acknowledgement because youhaven't been willing to give you
your own acknowledgement.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Right, right, I mean, you just get this strength,
like it's so hard to explain.
I have friends who, like willask me who are in, like I guess,
the same type of you know boat,who have someone who they love,
but like they're not from thesame culture or like they're not
from the same profession thattheir parents want them to be,
(24:52):
they're not from the sameprofession that their parents
want them to be, and I I feellike it's something that you
can't just like tell someone,like they have to put a foot
down, and it's just the strengththat comes to you, you know, to
walk, to walk away.
It's just this unimaginable,undescribable like thing.
(25:13):
But but yeah, like you, you doneed to, like a person does need
to go and, you know, kind of goin into their heart and be like
, yeah, I did achieve somethingand acknowledge themselves, like
you're saying, whether it'slike life stuff or art stuff,
(25:35):
like I totally agree with you onthat.
Well, basically what we'retalking about here is you just
owning the badass that you are.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
That's cool.
I can tell the ways that you'rereliving the hurt and you've.
You've come out of it.
So that's something that'shappened in your past and it's
(26:08):
something that uh it.
It hurt at the time, but youneed time for it to develop a
bit of a scar so that you'restrengthened by it.
You're not forever wounded byit.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Right.
Right, Because you know what.
I have a daughter, and I meaneven though she's only four, but
I want her to be strong andconfident and I want her to, you
know, be comfortable coming tome and not being told like, oh
(26:43):
no, this is how it's done, youknow.
So I get that I'm doing thisfor my daughter too.
Well, it's a pretty big pieceof incentive I think yeah yeah,
she's already very sassy, so I Ithink she'll be fine, but like,
(27:03):
yeah, she, she, yeah you.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
You are probably her number one role model.
I mean your your husband is buthe, but you probably are with
her more than he is perhaps.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yes, oh, it's always mommy, mommy.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Right.
So you're in the number oneplace role model and she is
going to follow your lead andyour cue, I mean, which is kind
of incentive in and of itself toto really show her the her, the
badass that you are, so she canfollow in your footsteps.
You know there's somethingimportant about owning who we
(27:39):
are, and we do that on multiplelevels.
You can own that you're abadass for moving out from your
parents and doing something thatwas totally unacceptable to
your culture.
You can own that you're anartist.
I'm amazed at how many peoplewe talk to that won't own that
they're an artist, or own thatthey're a writer, or own that
(28:01):
they're even creative.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
And there's something really powerful about owning
whatever it is, you know.
I mean we could probably godown all kinds of rabbit holes
and look at the things that youcould own if you were willing to
make that choice.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Right, right, no, you're right, because, as I'm,
you know, finding myself as anartist, finding things that I
gravitate to and learning fromit, it's like, yes, this is what
I want to be, this is, eventhough it's starting out late,
(28:46):
this is something that I wantand have always wanted.
I think for a lot of creatives,it's they.
They get scared or I know, for,like the art that I do and the
posting that I do, like onYouTube and stuff, I don't
(29:06):
consider myself a YouTube artist.
I think the main thing is tofigure out what you want to do
with your art.
Like, are you like a contentcreator or an artist?
And I think in the acrylic, poor, fluid art world, a lot of
people they're just like okay,I'll post stuff and I'll get
(29:30):
monetized and it'll just be afast deal, but I want to stay
true to the art and what Icreate.
I just don't want somethingfast, and I'm not saying they're
doing stuff fast, but it's likeI want to be true to the stuff
that I create and I want it tobe original, Like I just don't
(29:54):
want to.
You know I'm inspired by people,but I also want to be inspired
by myself.
Um and Dwight and I have talkedabout this in the past that
sometimes you have to be yourown inspiration and be confident
enough to to say, yes, I amthat person.
And even if you're an asshole,like say, I am an asshole, yes,
(30:20):
I act like an asshole.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I think you're completely right.
I think that sometimes we haveto own it in order to manifest
it.
You know, I started, probably ayear ago.
I started telling people that Iam a community leader.
Now, do I officially have acommunity that I lead?
(30:43):
No, not yet.
I mean, we're working on it, wehave a following, we've got a
bunch of creative people on ourmailing list, we host events, we
just launched this podcastrecently and but do we have a
(31:04):
like a community that quote,unquote, I or we lead?
No, but I'm owning that, I'm acommunity leader and I think
that it will come to pass,because owning is what manifests
owning and believing and actingas if.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Yeah, and we're.
We're doing the grunt work too.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah, and and that goes to your point Like, if you
have in your mind that this iswhat I want to be, I feel like
the good vibes and the goodenergy comes that way as well
and you're successful.
And this goes back to like theart community.
I mean, I wouldn't say like I'mnot part of the community.
(31:51):
I'm cordial with everyone, but,um, it's always like just fast,
fast, fast, and they just wantto be better than the other
person.
Um, and they're not true, notbeing true to their selves.
(32:11):
So I would just recommendpeople to be true to themselves
and yeah, and then create.
That way you will achieve somuch, even if you make mistakes,
like you'll find yourself inthat process.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I feel like you know, a lot of what you're describing
sounds rather toxic to me, andyou know there was a time in my
own process where I often feltlike I didn't fit in, I don't
fit in, I don't belong here, Idon't belong here.
And then there was this daywhen it all shifted and I
(32:48):
realized that I had been seeingit completely wrong, that it
wasn't that I didn't belong, itwas that I chose not to belong
because that group or that groupor that group weren't my people
.
You're describing a group ofartists that they're highly
competitive, everything's fastand they're very quick to be
(33:17):
judgmental of each other's work.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
That's not a community I would want to be
part of right I totally agreewith that and that is why I kind
of just do my own thing.
I post when I want to post, um,uh, and it's because it's about
the art at the end of the day,it's about creating and creating
something meaningful, because II can just do whatever, you
(33:45):
know, the trend is, but but Iwant to be original to myself
and and that does weighsometimes people who are
starting out, it does weigh themdown, uh, because it kind of
becomes like a popularitycontest or like you know who
follows you more, who likes youmore, and I think that's very
(34:07):
detrimental to a, you know, toan artist, to to create, like
the goal should always be, in myopinion, to create your art and
share because you want peopleto see it, not more of a numbers
game, you know, that's, that'sthe deal and amber.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
may I share a different perspective.
Sure, You're talking about theart community and all the
competition and the.
You know all of that and howyou find distasteful, so you
pulled away and you're doingyour own thing.
I want to suggest that you bemindful of that not being about
(34:53):
community or art.
That's about those people.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Right, I agree.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
You know you have to really zero in on what it is,
and if you make it aboutcommunity, then you're going to
be isolated.
But if you make it about thosepeople and you disassociate
yourself with them becausethey're just not your people and
you look elsewhere forcommunity and other artists, you
will find them.
(35:19):
You will find people that willcelebrate every piece of work
you do.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
You will find people that will be right there
cheering you on, you will findpeople that will believe in you
in those moments when you can'tbelieve in yourself, right?
Oh yeah, absolutely.
(35:43):
I remember which this goes backto.
I don't want to make this likelike a political thing, but when
this whole Gaza thing started,with the bombings and stuff that
are going on, I reached out toan artist that I had helped in
the past assist in her classes,and she's Jewish.
(36:04):
And I reached out to herbecause you know she has family
there and I just wanted to seehow she's doing.
You know she has family thereand I just wanted to see how
she's doing and, um, she gave melike this big lecture on the
(36:24):
palestinian people there.
Um, I have family that's beenthere.
We, we know how people aretreated there.
My brother, I believe, hasvolunteered there, as he he is,
he's a physician and I mean Idon't want to go into like the
details, but her, I reached outto her because I care, I looked
(36:48):
up to her as an artist and Ireached out to her because I
thought, as a community,whatever's going on on both
sides is wrong, um, and insteadI was told that you know, the
Muslim people are taught fromchildhood to go kill other
(37:12):
people and which is not truebecause I was raised in a Muslim
household.
I wasn't taught that.
I feel like the way I act isbecause of the, of what my
parents taught me, you know, andwhat the interpretation that I
get from the, from the faith,and it just put a really bad
(37:36):
taste in my mouth.
I'm like, well, we're artists,like we're supposed to spread
joy and color and inspire, and Ididn't create a painting for
about.
This happened back in, yeah,2023.
And I contacted her like lateOctober and after she said that
(38:02):
I never responded back to her.
I didn't paint for like threemonths.
I was just so devastated, Ididn't feel like painting.
It wasn't joyful to me becauseI was just seeing all these
artists on like different sidesand I was like, well, no, we
(38:25):
need to just come together.
You know, there's both sidesare hurting and it really hurt
me.
So I didn't paint and it wasvery difficult.
I would try to talk to myhusband.
He doesn't get it.
I did my own research on theconflict and just found out some
(38:51):
stuff, you know, which wasinteresting, and still to this
day, it bothers me because I'venever responded back to her.
But there's another artist.
Her name is Kimberly Blackstock.
She is amazing with dots likethe dots that I do.
(39:13):
Hers are a little bit thinnerthan mine, I keep mine a little
bit thick, but she's a prettyfamous Canadian artist, um, and
she does a lot of charity workfor um, the, the children like
around the world, um, includingthat region.
(39:34):
And I reached out to her.
I mean she's really she's.
I mean she's pretty big and Ican't believe.
She responded back to me and theone thing she said she was like
the world cannot stop seeingyour art.
You create, just keep oncreating.
I may cry at this, but that'swhen I late in January of 2024,
(39:59):
I started posting again and Istarted growing.
I have like 7,000 followers nowon Facebook and I just it just
just went, you know, thousandthis month and then a thousand
more and and people reallystarted to respect me.
(40:23):
And I'm not political on mypage or anything.
You know, I don't like postanything because I feel like
that's personal to me, I candiscuss with my friends and
family.
I don't need to go like airingthat out.
But that one thing, that onestatement she made to not stop
creating, that is the community.
(40:44):
That is the type of community,like the artists that you're
talking about.
That I want to be a part of.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Seeking ye shall find my dear, that's right.
Seeking ye shall find my dear,that's right.
Seeking ye shall find.
You know, when we start puttingourselves out there, it doesn't
matter what we're putting outthere.
You're putting art out there.
We're putting our ideas and ourstories out on social media.
We're putting this podcast outon social media.
When I put my first podcast outin 2021, it was not long before
(41:21):
I started to get hate mail andpeople would say absolutely the
most hurtful things they couldpossibly say, the most hurtful
things they could possibly say.
And I knew this was comingbecause I had read enough from
people who write about this.
(41:42):
You know people who are inthose places.
They're out in the world.
They're out politically orthey're out publicly or they're
out in some way.
And I'd said, read so manypeople that said you have to
anticipate that it's going tohappen.
You have to anticipate there'sgoing to be a certain amount of
(42:03):
haters and you have to decide,before it ever even happens,
that you are not going to giveyour power away to them, that
you're not going to give themany oxygen.
So I don't ever, ever respondto it.
We just got a piece of hatemail.
(42:23):
We just launched our podcast onWednesday and we got a piece of
hate mail that was just themost vile thing that you could
imagine.
And I said we got our firstpiece of hate mail today and he
was like what did it say?
And I told him, of course hewasn't prepared.
So it kind of took him back alittle bit.
(42:44):
Me.
This is not my first rodeo.
I just laughed.
I just laughed.
I've gotten to where that isgoing to be.
It doesn't matter how hatefulthey get or what awful things
they say.
I am going to meet it withlaughter, not give it any oxygen
(43:06):
, and then move on.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Right.
No, that is totally what youneed to do, because I have
gotten some negative commentslike oh, what a waste of paint.
You know not hate like you guysgot, which is just not
acceptable at all I choose to do.
(43:30):
What you do is like eitherdelete the comment, move on, I
don't respond back.
Um, I know some of the artiststhat I know if they get like a
comment like that, they willtake a screenshot of the comment
and I wanted to know youropinion on this.
They take a screenshot of itand they'll do a huge public
(43:53):
post like oh, another hater.
And you know they start likedoing the same thing that
person's doing and start bashingthat person and I just feel
like that's, I mean what's thepoint.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
You know it's interesting.
This hater that came up theother day and said what he said.
That crossed my mind.
I thought you know what?
Know what?
I'm gonna cut that piece outwith his photo in his name.
I'm gonna blow it up really bigand I'm gonna put it out and it
it is you.
You want to put them in theirplace.
But I thought you know, if I dothat, then I'm no different
(44:31):
than he is.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Exactly, I mean, and they do that, and I'm just like
it's really good entertainmentthough, because I just like
scroll through the comments andread everything and it's like,
oh you know for you to be ableto let go of the conversation
(44:56):
with the woman who lectured youabout the war and the fact that
your people are killing herpeople.
That is a tough one.
I am still trying to come toterms with that.
I want to sometimes just youknow how you just want to just
tell someone off, um, I want todo that.
(45:19):
But I also have like, like whatwe just talked, like talked
about, like I will just be likeher if I do that I can go and do
like a real or like blaster onsocial media, but I won't be
(45:40):
different from her, even thoughshe did that in private.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
But still like it well and and I promise that it
may make you feel better for afew minutes and, and it won't,
it will be.
It will last about this long,it'll be short-lived.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Yeah, yeah, no, you're, you're right.
So I just um, I'm just lettingit go and I have it's been like
a year now.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
How can you take your power back from her?
She took your power away withthat conversation conversation.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Well, I think I got most of it back by starting to
do art and really focus on stufflike creating this, like heavy
texture dots that I do.
That helps me grow.
I feel like this incident intocreating something that none of
the fluid artists or acrylicpoor people have done it's a
(46:44):
specific niche, you know that Icreated, so I think that helped
me and I was kind of like youknow excuse me for my language,
but F this I'm going to like domy art and she's going to be
stuck with her following and herlike little friend group, while
(47:07):
I want to grow, I want to be ingalleries and be known in my
community, whether it startslocally in Dallas, but at some
point I'll be probably biggerand better than her.
So that's that's the one thingthat keeps me motivated that, oh
(47:28):
yeah, I'll be bigger than youone day.
Maybe that's like just a dream,but you know.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
I want to tell you just a little bit and then we'll
move on, because this is alittle bit off topic, but I
still think it's importantbecause, as a person of any kind
of creation, a creator we'regoing to put our stuff out there
and we're going to get someshitty feedback.
So this is important for us tokind of know how we can handle
this.
I've experimented, explored,and one of the things that I've
(47:54):
come up with that helps metremendously is I look at the
other person and I ask myselfwhat must be going on in that
person's life.
What kind of pain must they bein to do what they've done or to
say what they've said?
(48:14):
And, if I can, I mean paincomes from hurt people, hurt
people, so she's hurting, or shewould have lectured you the way
she did.
And if I can bring myself tothat place where I can feel
compassion for that other person, that changes everything, if I
(48:38):
can feel compassion.
When I was growing up, there wasa boy that bullied me through
years of school.
He was the one that hurt me themost and there was a point in
my life when I realized that forhim to do what he had done to
me, there must have beensomething going on in his
(49:00):
household that was absolutelyunthinkable and unbearable and I
found compassion for him and itall just melted away, like I
could bump into him on thestreet right now and be able to
sit down and have a conversationwith him.
Because when I could, when Icould realize how much pain he
(49:22):
was in to do what he did and andsearch for compassion in me, it
was my own compassion thatfreed me right.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
Yeah, that's a tough one to find, um, because I feel
like with this person, um I, Idon't know what goes on in in
her life.
I mean, she makes it seem likeit's it's pretty nice and you
know um good, uh, but don't weall is that today's world?
we call it the perfect facebooklife right, but I I do get your
(50:00):
point in um feeling compassionand empathy from the point that
you know she wasn't raised likeme, so I have empathy and
compassion for that.
That.
If someone is behaving the waythey are when it comes to
(50:23):
conflict not the bullying partand I've had friends who I've
(50:43):
had conversations with andthey're like you know what we
understand, We'll go educateourselves as well.
So sometimes I feel like whenpeople act racist or whatever, I
really feel like they wereraised that way to.
To think that way and that'swhere the compassion part comes
is like they were taught that umand feeling compassion doesn't
(51:09):
mean you're condoning theiractions right right it's not
letting them off the hook, it'sletting you off the hook.
Right, Absolutely being thebigger person.
Yeah, this is really good.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
I mean I continue to kind of drill down on this,
because you let that stop youfrom painting for three months.
You let the words of one personcompletely stop your creative
joy for three months.
This is a topic that's realimportant, because we got to
figure out a way to inspire andeducate our creatives around us
(51:49):
so they don't make the samemistake you did.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
Yeah, you were lucky enough to uh, it's to light that
spark again to figure it outand not and not have only be
three months, yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
And now I think back I'm like why did I ever do that?
You know, like I should neverhave stopped, but time to move
on to bigger and better stuff.
But yeah, and that's themessage I would give to other
creators is, you know, surroundyourself with people who respect
(52:35):
you.
Who you know, surround yourselfwith people who respect you.
Who you know even you may havedisagreements with them, but
you're still like respectful um,yeah, I I feel like that's
lacking in a lot of people todayis being a little tolerant um
amber, you are such a brightlight, honey.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Shine that light, shine that light yeah, oh,
thanks guys.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
I'm lucky to have you guys in my life we feel very
blessed as well yeah, we do, wedo.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
Well, we're drawing near the close of our time and
we like to drop in some rapidfire questions.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
OK, so we're just going to drop a couple on you
here today.
First one what keeps you goingthrough tough times?
Speaker 1 (53:36):
oh, what keeps me going?
Uh, I would say buying morepaint.
The art store.
You know, whenever I'm down Igo to like michael's or jerry's
or something, and it just makesme happy.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
What's one word to describe your creative journey?
Experimentation, alwaysexperiment.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
That would love that.
That's a good one.
What's?
Speaker 1 (54:22):
one lesson that you've learned in your creative
community?
Oh God, there's several, butthe main one, which we talked
about today, is to be aroundpeople that have the same
passion and creative goals asmyself.
That's, that's, yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
Yeah.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
Be around people that lift you up yes.
Speaker 3 (54:49):
That's right.
So in our wide rangingconversation we we've talked
about many things, but is there?
Speaker 1 (55:06):
anything that you would like to share with our
listeners that we haven'tcovered, I would like to share.
If you have a dream or if youwant to achieve a goal, don't
let, don't procrastinate.
Don't be like, oh, I'll do it.
Like tomorrow, start.
Start today, live in thepresent.
(55:28):
Don't be like oh, yeah, I mean,this is one thing my dad taught
me.
It's like if you can dosomething today, start it, or do
it today.
Don't push it off to tomorrow.
So that is something, yeah, Iwould want people to do is to
(55:51):
not push anything off fortomorrow.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
I love that.
It's beautiful well said ambervery well said thank you yeah,
where.
Speaker 3 (56:04):
Where is one place where our listeners can go and
find out more about what you'reup to?
Speaker 1 (56:10):
well, I have my website.
It it's ambergoodwinartcom.
I post everything that's goingon there.
You can also see like my bioand like my CV and stuff, and
I'm very active on social media,so you can find me under Amber
Goodwin Art on Instagram,youtube, facebook, art on
(56:39):
Instagram, youtube, facebook.
Um, yeah, so those majorplatforms I don't do TikTok, but
, um, it was just a littleoverwhelming for me, so I'm just
on those three.
But yeah, you can.
Anyone can email me um AmberGoodwin.
Are you know, at hotmailcom?
Speaker 2 (56:54):
it's on my website and yeah, I'm always here to
answer any questions or inspiresomeone with their journey and
we'll be sure that that link isin the show notes so it's easy
for the audience to find themawesome.
Speaker 3 (57:09):
This was like so much fun yeah, we're so glad you
could do this thank you, so gladthat you're here.
I'm just letting it go and I have.
It's been like a year now.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
How can you take your power back from her?
She took your power away withthat conversation that
conversation.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Well, I think I got most of it back by starting to
do art and really focus on stufflike creating this, like heavy
texture dots that I do it.
That helps me grow, I feel likethis incident into creating
something that none of the fluidartists or acrylic poor people
(00:52):
have done.
Um, it's a specific niche youknow that I created, so I think
that helped me.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Hello and welcome to another edition of For the Love
of Creatives podcast.
I'm your host, dwight, I'mjoined by Maddox, we're the
Connections and Community Guidesand today we're joined by our
featured guest Amber Goodwin.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Hi everybody, maddox and Dwight, thanks for having me
.
I'm so excited.
I'm Amber Goodwin.
I am a artist and my full-timejob I work at Texas Health,
dallas, but I love art and Ilove creating and I love being
part of the creative communityand so awesome to meet Dwight
(01:56):
and Maddox, who share the sametype of mindset as I do, so I'm
super excited to be here today.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
We're certainly glad you're here.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Also tell the audience how we met Amber.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
So we met of all places, at the Deep Ellum Arts
Festival.
That was their first year.
They restarted the festivalafter the original organizer
retired and I just saw Maddoxand Dwight strolling around and
they stopped by my booth and Iwas just immediately drawn to
(02:34):
both of y'all's kindness, um,and I just felt a connection,
and you actually liked mypaintings too, which was awesome
.
So it was.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
We did and we do.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, yeah, and I just I just had this ease of
like explaining my process toboth of you and just you
understood what I was saying andyeah, we met there and it was
like the luckiest meeting I'veever had.
I mean, I talked to a lot ofpeople at these shows, but they
(03:12):
don't turn into friendships asthis one has, and this was back
in, I believe, 2023, I believe.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah Time flies.
Yeah, and it's.
It's been a year and we're onto our what like second year and
yeah, just so, so amazing.
I mean that was the best time.
That was the best thing.
I feel like that came out ofthe show was getting to know you
both.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Thank you, we feel the same way, absolutely.
And for those that are watchingvideo, the painting to the left
of my cabinet back there thathas the big word authentic on it
is one of Amber's paintings.
There's a little bit of glareon it from the window.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah, resin.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It's lovely, we love it.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Thank you.
Thank you, I'm glad it went toa good home.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Well, tell us a little bit about how it was that
you got started with creatingart.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
So originally I started art back when I was 12.
I was 12.
My mom had enrolled me in thisglass painting course which you
know you use this paint by Pebeocalled Vitrel.
It's really stinky, by the way,so make sure if you're going to
use it then wear properprotection Because, yeah, it
(04:41):
does smell really bad.
And yeah, it was just a lady who, I guess, used to live in
London and she went to artschool there and at that time I
lived in Pakistan, where myfamily's originally from.
I lived there for about fouryears, I want to say.
I want to say, and this ladyjust had, you know, she made a,
(05:09):
she bought a house and sheactually made this art school in
this property that she hadbought and she taught glass
painting, she taught silk,screen painting, um, just a lot
of stuff, and it was veryinteresting and she was good at
it too.
And so I would go there everySaturday for about six hours and
just paint on mirrors and glassand I learned to use this thing
(05:36):
called relief paint, which iskind of like an outlining you do
so the paint doesn't spreadaround.
So I learned that and I did itfor a while until we moved back
to the States and thosematerials weren't available here
, which I was kind of shockedbecause I thought everything
would be available here, youknow.
(05:58):
And then I, you know, when Iwent to college I started doing
a lot of watercolor art withwatercolors and my art teachers
there really pushed me to like,sketch and use watercolors.
And I actually had my firstexhibition in my sophomore year
(06:21):
during Black History Month,during Black History Month, and
I remember that a professorwanted to buy one of my floral
watercolor paintings but I just,I just could not part with any
of my stuff, so I was just Ididn't want to sell it to her
and I just said no, that's notfor sale.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
And.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
I remember my dad was like oh, why?
Didn't you sell it Like, likeshe, you know, just sell your
stuff.
And at that time I was justlike, oh well, do I really want
to sell my stuff?
You know my art, and that was adifficult thing, which is still
a little difficult sometimes,to part with art.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Um, it's.
It sounds like your art isreally for you.
Yeah, yeah, for you, yeah.
I have a question when, at 12,when you started painting on
glass, was that your idea or wasit mom's?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
It.
Actually it was my idea.
And it was my idea because Isaw my aunts, which are my dad's
, my dad's side of the family.
They were doing it and theyhave no proper training and I
just it's a pretty popular thingto do in Pakistan, the glass
(07:44):
painting.
A pretty popular thing to do inPakistan, the glass painting.
But they were the first oneswho I saw in my circle actually
do glass painting.
And I remember my eldest auntshe I don't know if you're
familiar with those paintings oflike the persian mythology
(08:05):
where they have the very daintylooking, you know people.
They're like kind of white, youknow they're painted white and
they have very intricate likedesigns, like persian motifs and
and stuff.
And uh, my eldest aunt wouldactually paint those.
They look very like, I wouldsay, the oriental paintings back
(08:29):
from that time, kind of likethose oriental paintings where
you saw like the reds and theblues and the golds.
So she would glass paint thoseand I thought, oh, that's really
cool, I want to learn this andI don't know why she wouldn't
like teach me, which was kind ofweird.
(08:50):
So I did talk to my mom and shefound the school.
I don't know how she found thislady.
But she found this lady and Iwent and I made a lot of last
paintings there andunfortunately we couldn't bring
them since we were moving backand my brother broke a few
(09:12):
because he was playing I don'tknow cricket in the house.
So he smashed a few of mypaintings which, um, it was
horrible back then but now whenI think about it it's like kind
of funny that he broke thembecause, like, I can make them
again, I guess.
Um, but yeah, it started outwith my aunts and then my mom
(09:39):
saw the interest and she waslike well, you know, amber needs
to do a hobby, uh, outside ofschool.
So that's how it all startedand my mom would go with me.
My mom, um, that's actually theone time we actually were able
to kind of bond, because shewent and did the silk painting
(10:01):
part there, yeah, and shepainted a sari.
I remember I think I still haveit.
She dyed the fabric, you know,first, and it was like a ombre
green, like a pistachio green,and then it went to like a dark
green and then she painted likethese really beautiful pink
(10:23):
tiger lilies on them and wewould go together and that was
was like I had a lot of fungoing with her.
Um.
So, yeah, that it brings backgood memories of of my mom and I
going together and beingcreative together, you know it
sounds like your family wassupportive of your creative
(10:44):
desires.
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Because we do, we talk, have a lot of these
conversations and it's amazinghow many creatives report that
family was not so supportive.
It's like, what are you doing?
Like get a real job type, youknow thing you know thing.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, I think back then, like they kind of, I feel
like my mom and my dad viewed itas just a hobby.
Because when I went to collegeit kind of shifted.
It was like, oh no, like youneed to be a doctor or or a
lawyer or an engineer, so, um,they were always or an engineer,
(11:30):
so, um, they were always, um,open to the, I guess, the hobby
part of it.
But I don't think they've everviewed it as being a career,
which to me I wanted it toalways be a career, um, and it
was just kind of frowned upon.
Uh, that's.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
That's a cultural thing, though, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yes, it absolutely is , which is kind of sad because
my youngest aunt she was a shepassed away.
She was a set designer for thePakistan television um channel,
which is like kind of like PBSthere television um channel,
which is like kind of like pbsthere.
(12:10):
And then she used to set design, um, and she actually went to
art school, um, she went to thiscollege called the national
college of arts, um, which is acollege that was built when the
british ruled over, uh, pakistanand india, um, so they created
like these colleges and that westill students go to today, uh,
(12:32):
and they're considered prettyprestigious.
So she went to this nationalcollege of arts and she got her
degree from there, uh.
Her daughter followed herfootsteps and got a degree in
textile art, uh, which is prettypopular there as as well.
So, uh, they would always belike, oh look she's, she's, she
(12:55):
struggles.
You know like you'll end uplike her.
And she did struggle, but Imean, she wasn't in a good
marriage and, uh, she kind ofhad to, you know, make ends meet
on her own and I felt like shedid not have the support that
she needed.
Um yeah and it trickled down tothe generations to to come.
(13:20):
But I have to give it to herfor doing what she had always
loved to do, which was her art,and she oil painted.
And I felt like she was alwayscompared to my elder aunt and
everybody was like, oh yeah, shedoes really good art and her
(13:40):
paintings are really good, and Ifelt like she was always
compared.
And my eldest aunt is like amath genius.
Um, she, she was always intostatistics and all those number
things.
Um, and I didn't really likethat, you know, being compared.
Uh.
(14:00):
So yeah, I kind of think aboutit and she's kind of.
My inspiration, I would say, isthat she stood her ground and
basically died doing what sheloved to do.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Couldn't want for more than that, could we?
Speaker 1 (14:21):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Couldn't want for more than that.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, yeah absolutely .
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I mean the heart wants what the heart wants.
So in my life I've seen so manypeople sell out and give up
what they love to take a jobthat makes money, thinking that
that was the right way to go,and most of them are miserable
at the end of their life.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Oh, yeah, absolutely, which I have a really great
example.
We have friends, or my parentshave friends, who are doctors,
you know, and stuff, and that'sthe one thing they complain
about is that, oh, we neverwanted to be a physician, like I
(15:06):
wanted to, like be a softwareengineer, I wanted to write like
a program, you know.
Or one lady wanted to be a cheffrom one of my dad's friend,
his wife but they were alwayspushed and you can see like
they're just not happy.
(15:28):
You know, it's kind of like arobot, like, oh, they wake up,
go to work.
It's just they're just nothappy and yeah, they may be
stable and and stuff, but it'slike, are you really happy?
And art makes me happy.
So that's why I do it and itwould be nice to be a full-time
(15:48):
thing and I'm working towardsthat and being more confident in
reaching that goal, because Iwant people to be inspired and
not think that, oh, you have tobe something that your family
tells you to be.
I feel like it's a little bitof manipulation to me sometimes
(16:13):
and I don't want to do that tomy kids.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I think it's definitely manipulation.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
It is.
It's the subtle way that we'rebullied, we're trained.
It's the subtle way that we'rebullied, we're trained.
So how is it that you are ableto move past that and, instead
of being forced to do what youhave to do to earn a living or
to earn the acceptance of yourfamily, to go toward what you
(16:43):
want to do?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Right, that took a long time for me to gain that
confidence and and, as I wouldsay, a Brown person, my parents
aren't very like religious, butI mean they do follow like the
traditions, like not dating andstuff that was frowned upon and
(17:09):
uh, so that there were certainthings like we couldn't go spend
the night at our friend's house, uh.
So I just broke away from allthat and that happened when I
actually met my husband.
Um, I was 30, I think I was 31or 32 and I still lived with my
(17:32):
parents.
I'd moved back in with them andI they were always trying to
like arrange my marriage and andand stuff.
And I don't know if y'all know,but I was married before.
I had an arranged marriage.
My dad arranged my marriage andit was to an Indian guy who we
(17:55):
thought was on a student visa,but he was actually on a visit
visa.
I found that out when we wentfor our interview.
It's very grueling process andhe had overstayed on his visa
and as soon as he got his greencard he left and yeah, and that
(18:16):
was a very hard time for me.
It took me years to get overthat.
I feel like I still don't haveclosure, but you kind of have to
move on.
So my parents, after that wholeordeal, were still trying to
look, and I would always getwhen they would try to arrange
(18:41):
these meetings with these menand their family.
When they would try to arrangethese meetings, like with these,
you know, men and their family,like the minute they would find
out I'm not a doctor or I'm not, like you know, in a prominent
field, they would just ghost myparents and I thought to myself
I'm like, I'm always going to bestuck here, I'm always going to
(19:14):
be stuck at my parents' housedoing what they tell me to do
and I'm 30, like I'm 31.
And, um, again the wholemanipulation, like oh, you live
in our house, you know, um, andI kind of just I know this
sounds bad I went behind theirback and started dating online
and that's how I met my husband.
I met my husband on online.
I know a lot of people say alot of stuff about online dating
and, trust me, I've I had ahard time but thankfully I met
(19:36):
my husband and he was totallyokay how my parents were,
because any other normal guywould be like I don't want to
deal with this.
This is like you're a grownperson, you know.
But he was okay with it and heplanned a camping trip and my
(19:56):
parents wouldn't let me go and Ijust thought I don't want to be
stuck here.
I cannot be stuck here doing inin everything like whether it's
dating or art or whateverdecision that I make.
I can't do this I.
It takes a lot of courage tojust walk away from your parents
(20:17):
and because you have the fearof, oh, you're going to, you
know, get rejected or they'lljust not like you, just these
fears, or you're going to letthem down, that's the biggest
(20:37):
one.
And so I got the courage tomove out and I moved.
I moved out and my parents werevery hurt by that, and but I
feel like that is the bestdecision that I made for myself
(21:09):
to do my art and to think thatthis can be something that can
be done full time if you havethe right tools and the right
strategy, the right planning todo so.
I was like I cannot deal withpeople saying that, oh, you
can't make anything off of it,and why do you always have to
make everything off of somethingthat you love?
Just share what you're doing,share your creativity, and to me
(21:31):
that stuff will come, you know,um.
So just taking that step ofmoving out has really helped me
in a lot of stuff, especiallythe art as as well, because it's
given me the confidence thatyou don't always have to listen,
you don't always have to havesomeone in your ear telling you
(21:51):
that, oh, this isn't going towork out Like you have to.
If you, if you fail, you haveto fail and learn from that.
Um, I hope I'm making sensehere.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Oh, it's perfect sense.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Perfect sense.
I just want to acknowledge thatyou took a bold and brave move
and you know I want to championyou for making the decision to
have agency in your own life.
Yeah, absolutely.
I got to ask have you fullyacknowledged yourself for that?
(22:29):
I mean in really really fullyacknowledged yourself for that?
That's huge.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Um, I haven't, but I should, um, and I think the
thing that holds me back is, uh,and maybe I want some assurance
from, like, my husband, youknow, because he's always
talking about powerful women inhis life, like his granny, who's
(22:57):
like 102, and then his mom, butI don't get anything from him
like, oh, like you, because it'sa big deal in our culture for a
female to move out and to marrysomeone who's a non-muslim.
By the way, like my husbanddidn't convert, I didn't ask to
(23:18):
convert, um, so I guess I'mwanting some words of
affirmation from him to kind ofseal that deal.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
uh, but I can, I give you a little clue sure you
probably won't get that from himuntil you can give it to you ah
, that's a good one.
Yeah, that's true you mean youcan't expect him to celebrate
(23:53):
something about you that youhaven't been willing to
celebrate about you?
You just talked about what abig deal it was in your culture
to make that decision to moveout to marry a non-Muslim.
And it is huge to marry anon-Muslim and it is huge and
you're in a tiny percentage ofwomen that would have made the
(24:18):
choice to be that courageousRight and you're not getting the
acknowledgement because youhaven't been willing to give you
your own acknowledgement.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Right, right, I mean, you just get this strength,
like it's so hard to explain.
I have friends who, like willask me who are in, like I guess,
the same type of you know boat,who have someone who they love,
but like they're not from thesame culture or like they're not
from the same profession thattheir parents want them to be,
(24:52):
they're not from the sameprofession that their parents
want them to be, and I I feellike it's something that you
can't just like tell someone,like they have to put a foot
down, and it's just the strengththat comes to you, you know, to
walk, to walk away.
It's just this unimaginable,undescribable like thing.
(25:13):
But but yeah, like you, you doneed to, like a person does need
to go and, you know, kind of goin into their heart and be like
, yeah, I did achieve somethingand acknowledge themselves, like
you're saying, whether it'slike life stuff or art stuff,
(25:35):
like I totally agree with you onthat.
Well, basically what we'retalking about here is you just
owning the badass that you are.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
That's cool.
I can tell the ways that you'rereliving the hurt and you've.
You've come out of it.
So that's something that'shappened in your past and it's
(26:08):
something that uh it.
It hurt at the time, but youneed time for it to develop a
bit of a scar so that you'restrengthened by it.
You're not forever wounded byit.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Right.
Right, Because you know what.
I have a daughter, and I meaneven though she's only four, but
I want her to be strong andconfident and I want her to, you
know, be comfortable coming tome and not being told like, oh
(26:43):
no, this is how it's done, youknow.
So I get that I'm doing thisfor my daughter too.
Well, it's a pretty big pieceof incentive I think yeah yeah,
she's already very sassy, so I Ithink she'll be fine, but like,
(27:03):
yeah, she, she, yeah you.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
You are probably her number one role model.
I mean your your husband is buthe, but you probably are with
her more than he is perhaps.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Yes, oh, it's always mommy, mommy.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Right.
So you're in the number oneplace role model and she is
going to follow your lead andyour cue, I mean, which is kind
of incentive in and of itself toto really show her the her, the
badass that you are, so she canfollow in your footsteps.
You know there's somethingimportant about owning who we
(27:39):
are, and we do that on multiplelevels.
You can own that you're abadass for moving out from your
parents and doing something thatwas totally unacceptable to
your culture.
You can own that you're anartist.
I'm amazed at how many peoplewe talk to that won't own that
they're an artist, or own thatthey're a writer, or own that
(28:01):
they're even creative.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
And there's something really powerful about owning
whatever it is, you know.
I mean we could probably godown all kinds of rabbit holes
and look at the things that youcould own if you were willing to
make that choice.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Right, right, no, you're right, because, as I'm,
you know, finding myself as anartist, finding things that I
gravitate to and learning fromit, it's like, yes, this is what
I want to be, this is, eventhough it's starting out late,
(28:46):
this is something that I wantand have always wanted.
I think for a lot of creatives,it's they.
They get scared or I know, for,like the art that I do and the
posting that I do, like onYouTube and stuff, I don't
(29:06):
consider myself a YouTube artist.
I think the main thing is tofigure out what you want to do
with your art.
Like, are you like a contentcreator or an artist?
And I think in the acrylic, poor, fluid art world, a lot of
people they're just like okay,I'll post stuff and I'll get
(29:30):
monetized and it'll just be afast deal, but I want to stay
true to the art and what Icreate.
I just don't want somethingfast, and I'm not saying they're
doing stuff fast, but it's likeI want to be true to the stuff
that I create and I want it tobe original, Like I just don't
(29:54):
want to.
You know I'm inspired by people,but I also want to be inspired
by myself.
Um and Dwight and I have talkedabout this in the past that
sometimes you have to be yourown inspiration and be confident
enough to to say, yes, I amthat person.
And even if you're an asshole,like say, I am an asshole, yes,
(30:20):
I act like an asshole.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I think you're completely right.
I think that sometimes we haveto own it in order to manifest
it.
You know, I started, probably ayear ago.
I started telling people that Iam a community leader.
Now, do I officially have acommunity that I lead?
(30:43):
No, not yet.
I mean, we're working on it, wehave a following, we've got a
bunch of creative people on ourmailing list, we host events, we
just launched this podcastrecently and but do we have a
(31:04):
like a community that quote,unquote, I or we lead?
No, but I'm owning that, I'm acommunity leader and I think
that it will come to pass,because owning is what manifests
owning and believing and actingas if.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Yeah, and we're.
We're doing the grunt work too.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yeah, and and that goes to your point Like, if you
have in your mind that this iswhat I want to be, I feel like
the good vibes and the goodenergy comes that way as well
and you're successful.
And this goes back to like theart community.
I mean, I wouldn't say like I'mnot part of the community.
(31:51):
I'm cordial with everyone, but,um, it's always like just fast,
fast, fast, and they just wantto be better than the other
person.
Um, and they're not true, notbeing true to their selves.
(32:11):
So I would just recommendpeople to be true to themselves
and yeah, and then create.
That way you will achieve somuch, even if you make mistakes,
like you'll find yourself inthat process.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
I feel like you know, a lot of what you're describing
sounds rather toxic to me, andyou know there was a time in my
own process where I often feltlike I didn't fit in, I don't
fit in, I don't belong here, Idon't belong here.
And then there was this daywhen it all shifted and I
(32:48):
realized that I had been seeingit completely wrong, that it
wasn't that I didn't belong, itwas that I chose not to belong
because that group or that groupor that group weren't my people
.
You're describing a group ofartists that they're highly
competitive, everything's fastand they're very quick to be
(33:17):
judgmental of each other's work.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
That's not a community I would want to be
part of right I totally agreewith that and that is why I kind
of just do my own thing.
I post when I want to post, um,uh, and it's because it's about
the art at the end of the day,it's about creating and creating
something meaningful, because II can just do whatever, you
(33:45):
know, the trend is, but but Iwant to be original to myself
and and that does weighsometimes people who are
starting out, it does weigh themdown, uh, because it kind of
becomes like a popularitycontest or like you know who
follows you more, who likes youmore, and I think that's very
(34:07):
detrimental to a, you know, toan artist, to to create, like
the goal should always be, in myopinion, to create your art and
share because you want peopleto see it, not more of a numbers
game, you know, that's, that'sthe deal and amber.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
may I share a different perspective.
Sure, You're talking about theart community and all the
competition and the.
You know all of that and howyou find distasteful, so you
pulled away and you're doingyour own thing.
I want to suggest that you bemindful of that not being about
(34:53):
community or art.
That's about those people.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Right, I agree.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
You know you have to really zero in on what it is,
and if you make it aboutcommunity, then you're going to
be isolated.
But if you make it about thosepeople and you disassociate
yourself with them becausethey're just not your people and
you look elsewhere forcommunity and other artists, you
will find them.
(35:19):
You will find people that willcelebrate every piece of work
you do.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
You will find people that will be right there
cheering you on, you will findpeople that will believe in you
in those moments when you can'tbelieve in yourself, right?
Oh yeah, absolutely.
(35:43):
I remember which this goes backto.
I don't want to make this likelike a political thing, but when
this whole Gaza thing started,with the bombings and stuff that
are going on, I reached out toan artist that I had helped in
the past assist in her classes,and she's Jewish.
(36:04):
And I reached out to herbecause you know she has family
there and I just wanted to seehow she's doing.
You know she has family thereand I just wanted to see how
she's doing and, um, she gave melike this big lecture on the
(36:24):
palestinian people there.
Um, I have family that's beenthere.
We, we know how people aretreated there.
My brother, I believe, hasvolunteered there, as he he is,
he's a physician and I mean Idon't want to go into like the
details, but her, I reached outto her because I care, I looked
(36:48):
up to her as an artist and Ireached out to her because I
thought, as a community,whatever's going on on both
sides is wrong, um, and insteadI was told that you know, the
Muslim people are taught fromchildhood to go kill other
(37:12):
people and which is not truebecause I was raised in a Muslim
household.
I wasn't taught that.
I feel like the way I act isbecause of the, of what my
parents taught me, you know, andwhat the interpretation that I
get from the, from the faith,and it just put a really bad
(37:36):
taste in my mouth.
I'm like, well, we're artists,like we're supposed to spread
joy and color and inspire, and Ididn't create a painting for
about.
This happened back in, yeah,2023.
And I contacted her like lateOctober and after she said that
(38:02):
I never responded back to her.
I didn't paint for like threemonths.
I was just so devastated, Ididn't feel like painting.
It wasn't joyful to me becauseI was just seeing all these
artists on like different sidesand I was like, well, no, we
(38:25):
need to just come together.
You know, there's both sidesare hurting and it really hurt
me.
So I didn't paint and it wasvery difficult.
I would try to talk to myhusband.
He doesn't get it.
I did my own research on theconflict and just found out some
(38:51):
stuff, you know, which wasinteresting, and still to this
day, it bothers me because I'venever responded back to her.
But there's another artist.
Her name is Kimberly Blackstock.
She is amazing with dots likethe dots that I do.
(39:13):
Hers are a little bit thinnerthan mine, I keep mine a little
bit thick, but she's a prettyfamous Canadian artist, um, and
she does a lot of charity workfor um, the, the children like
around the world, um, includingthat region.
(39:34):
And I reached out to her.
I mean she's really she's.
I mean she's pretty big and Ican't believe.
She responded back to me and theone thing she said she was like
the world cannot stop seeingyour art.
You create, just keep oncreating.
I may cry at this, but that'swhen I late in January of 2024,
(39:59):
I started posting again and Istarted growing.
I have like 7,000 followers nowon Facebook and I just it just
just went, you know, thousandthis month and then a thousand
more and and people reallystarted to respect me.
(40:23):
And I'm not political on mypage or anything.
You know, I don't like postanything because I feel like
that's personal to me, I candiscuss with my friends and
family.
I don't need to go like airingthat out.
But that one thing, that onestatement she made to not stop
creating, that is the community.
(40:44):
That is the type of community,like the artists that you're
talking about.
That I want to be a part of.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Seeking ye shall find my dear, that's right.
Seeking ye shall find my dear,that's right.
Seeking ye shall find.
You know, when we start puttingourselves out there, it doesn't
matter what we're putting outthere.
You're putting art out there.
We're putting our ideas and ourstories out on social media.
We're putting this podcast outon social media.
When I put my first podcast outin 2021, it was not long before
(41:21):
I started to get hate mail andpeople would say absolutely the
most hurtful things they couldpossibly say, the most hurtful
things they could possibly say.
And I knew this was comingbecause I had read enough from
people who write about this.
(41:42):
You know people who are inthose places.
They're out in the world.
They're out politically orthey're out publicly or they're
out in some way.
And I'd said, read so manypeople that said you have to
anticipate that it's going tohappen.
You have to anticipate there'sgoing to be a certain amount of
(42:03):
haters and you have to decide,before it ever even happens,
that you are not going to giveyour power away to them, that
you're not going to give themany oxygen.
So I don't ever, ever respondto it.
We just got a piece of hatemail.
(42:23):
We just launched our podcast onWednesday and we got a piece of
hate mail that was just themost vile thing that you could
imagine.
And I said we got our firstpiece of hate mail today and he
was like what did it say?
And I told him, of course hewasn't prepared.
So it kind of took him back alittle bit.
(42:44):
Me.
This is not my first rodeo.
I just laughed.
I just laughed.
I've gotten to where that isgoing to be.
It doesn't matter how hatefulthey get or what awful things
they say.
I am going to meet it withlaughter, not give it any oxygen
(43:06):
, and then move on.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Right.
No, that is totally what youneed to do, because I have
gotten some negative commentslike oh, what a waste of paint.
You know not hate like you guysgot, which is just not
acceptable at all I choose to do.
(43:30):
What you do is like eitherdelete the comment, move on, I
don't respond back.
Um, I know some of the artiststhat I know if they get like a
comment like that, they willtake a screenshot of the comment
and I wanted to know youropinion on this.
They take a screenshot of itand they'll do a huge public
(43:53):
post like oh, another hater.
And you know they start likedoing the same thing that
person's doing and start bashingthat person and I just feel
like that's, I mean what's thepoint.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
You know it's interesting.
This hater that came up theother day and said what he said.
That crossed my mind.
I thought you know what?
Know what?
I'm gonna cut that piece outwith his photo in his name.
I'm gonna blow it up really bigand I'm gonna put it out and it
it is you.
You want to put them in theirplace.
But I thought you know, if I dothat, then I'm no different
(44:31):
than he is.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Exactly, I mean, and they do that, and I'm just like
it's really good entertainmentthough, because I just like
scroll through the comments andread everything and it's like,
oh you know for you to be ableto let go of the conversation
(44:56):
with the woman who lectured youabout the war and the fact that
your people are killing herpeople.
That is a tough one.
I am still trying to come toterms with that.
I want to sometimes just youknow how you just want to just
tell someone off, um, I want todo that.
(45:19):
But I also have like, like whatwe just talked, like talked
about, like I will just be likeher if I do that I can go and do
like a real or like blaster onsocial media, but I won't be
(45:40):
different from her, even thoughshe did that in private.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
But still like it well and and I promise that it
may make you feel better for afew minutes and, and it won't,
it will be.
It will last about this long,it'll be short-lived.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Yeah, yeah, no, you're, you're right.
So I just um, I'm just lettingit go and I have it's been like
a year now.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
How can you take your power back from her?
She took your power away withthat conversation conversation.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Well, I think I got most of it back by starting to
do art and really focus on stufflike creating this, like heavy
texture dots that I do.
That helps me grow.
I feel like this incident intocreating something that none of
the fluid artists or acrylicpoor people have done it's a
(46:44):
specific niche, you know that Icreated, so I think that helped
me and I was kind of like youknow excuse me for my language,
but F this I'm going to like domy art and she's going to be
stuck with her following and herlike little friend group, while
(47:07):
I want to grow, I want to be ingalleries and be known in my
community, whether it startslocally in Dallas, but at some
point I'll be probably biggerand better than her.
So that's that's the one thingthat keeps me motivated that, oh
(47:28):
yeah, I'll be bigger than youone day.
Maybe that's like just a dream,but you know.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
I want to tell you just a little bit and then we'll
move on, because this is alittle bit off topic, but I
still think it's importantbecause, as a person of any kind
of creation, a creator we'regoing to put our stuff out there
and we're going to get someshitty feedback.
So this is important for us tokind of know how we can handle
this.
I've experimented, explored,and one of the things that I've
(47:54):
come up with that helps metremendously is I look at the
other person and I ask myselfwhat must be going on in that
person's life.
What kind of pain must they bein to do what they've done or to
say what they've said?
(48:14):
And, if I can, I mean paincomes from hurt people, hurt
people, so she's hurting, or shewould have lectured you the way
she did.
And if I can bring myself tothat place where I can feel
compassion for that other person, that changes everything, if I
(48:38):
can feel compassion.
When I was growing up, there wasa boy that bullied me through
years of school.
He was the one that hurt me themost and there was a point in
my life when I realized that forhim to do what he had done to
me, there must have beensomething going on in his
(49:00):
household that was absolutelyunthinkable and unbearable and I
found compassion for him and itall just melted away, like I
could bump into him on thestreet right now and be able to
sit down and have a conversationwith him.
Because when I could, when Icould realize how much pain he
(49:22):
was in to do what he did and andsearch for compassion in me, it
was my own compassion thatfreed me right.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
Yeah, that's a tough one to find, um, because I feel
like with this person, um I, Idon't know what goes on in in
her life.
I mean, she makes it seem likeit's it's pretty nice and you
know um good, uh, but don't weall is that today's world?
we call it the perfect facebooklife right, but I I do get your
(50:00):
point in um feeling compassionand empathy from the point that
you know she wasn't raised likeme, so I have empathy and
compassion for that.
That.
If someone is behaving the waythey are when it comes to
(50:23):
conflict not the bullying partand I've had friends who I've
(50:43):
had conversations with andthey're like you know what we
understand, We'll go educateourselves as well.
So sometimes I feel like whenpeople act racist or whatever, I
really feel like they wereraised that way to.
To think that way and that'swhere the compassion part comes
is like they were taught that umand feeling compassion doesn't
(51:09):
mean you're condoning theiractions right right it's not
letting them off the hook, it'sletting you off the hook.
Right, Absolutely being thebigger person.
Yeah, this is really good.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
I mean I continue to kind of drill down on this,
because you let that stop youfrom painting for three months.
You let the words of one personcompletely stop your creative
joy for three months.
This is a topic that's realimportant, because we got to
figure out a way to inspire andeducate our creatives around us
(51:49):
so they don't make the samemistake you did.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
Yeah, you were lucky enough to uh, it's to light that
spark again to figure it outand not and not have only be
three months, yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
And now I think back I'm like why did I ever do that?
You know, like I should neverhave stopped, but time to move
on to bigger and better stuff.
But yeah, and that's themessage I would give to other
creators is, you know, surroundyourself with people who respect
(52:35):
you.
Who you know, surround yourselfwith people who respect you.
Who you know even you may havedisagreements with them, but
you're still like respectful um,yeah, I I feel like that's
lacking in a lot of people todayis being a little tolerant um
amber, you are such a brightlight, honey.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Shine that light, shine that light yeah, oh,
thanks guys.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
I'm lucky to have you guys in my life we feel very
blessed as well yeah, we do, wedo.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
Well, we're drawing near the close of our time and
we like to drop in some rapidfire questions.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (53:24):
OK, so we're just going to drop a couple on you
here today.
First one what keeps you goingthrough tough times?
Speaker 1 (53:36):
oh, what keeps me going?
Uh, I would say buying morepaint.
The art store.
You know, whenever I'm down Igo to like michael's or jerry's
or something, and it just makesme happy.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
What's one word to describe your creative journey?
Experimentation, alwaysexperiment.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
That would love that.
That's a good one.
What's?
Speaker 1 (54:22):
one lesson that you've learned in your creative
community?
Oh God, there's several, butthe main one, which we talked
about today, is to be aroundpeople that have the same
passion and creative goals asmyself.
That's, that's, yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:42):
Yeah.
I love that.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
Be around people that lift you up yes.
Speaker 3 (54:49):
That's right.
So in our wide rangingconversation we we've talked
about many things, but is there?
Speaker 1 (55:06):
anything that you would like to share with our
listeners that we haven'tcovered, I would like to share.
If you have a dream or if youwant to achieve a goal, don't
let, don't procrastinate.
Don't be like, oh, I'll do it.
Like tomorrow, start.
Start today, live in thepresent.
(55:28):
Don't be like oh, yeah, I mean,this is one thing my dad taught
me.
It's like if you can dosomething today, start it, or do
it today.
Don't push it off to tomorrow.
So that is something, yeah, Iwould want people to do is to
(55:51):
not push anything off fortomorrow.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
I love that.
It's beautiful well said ambervery well said thank you yeah,
where.
Speaker 3 (56:04):
Where is one place where our listeners can go and
find out more about what you'reup to?
Speaker 1 (56:10):
well, I have my website.
It it's ambergoodwinartcom.
I post everything that's goingon there.
You can also see like my bioand like my CV and stuff, and
I'm very active on social media,so you can find me under Amber
Goodwin Art on Instagram,youtube, facebook, art on
(56:39):
Instagram, youtube, facebook.
Um, yeah, so those majorplatforms I don't do TikTok, but
, um, it was just a littleoverwhelming for me, so I'm just
on those three.
But yeah, you can.
Anyone can email me um AmberGoodwin.
Are you know, at hotmailcom?
Speaker 2 (56:54):
it's on my website and yeah, I'm always here to
answer any questions or inspiresomeone with their journey and
we'll be sure that that link isin the show notes so it's easy
for the audience to find themawesome.
Speaker 3 (57:09):
This was like so much fun yeah, we're so glad you
could do this thank you, so gladthat you're here.
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