May 19, 2025 • 66 mins
Ever dismissed your natural talents because they come easily to you? That’s exactly what creativity coach Jill Allison Bryan wants you to stop doing. "When we do something well or have done it a long time, we discount it," she explains, encouraging us instead to celebrate these gifts.
Through an engaging conversation with hosts Dwight and Maddox, Jill shares her remarkable journey from Nashville advertising copywriter to Caribbean yacht stewardess to Dallas-based creativity coach. Her pivotal moment came when she asked, "If not now, when?"—selling her possessions and moving to the islands with just a guitar and a duffel bag. This philosophy of seizing creative opportunities continues to guide her work today as founder of Creative Oasis Coaching.
What sets Jill’s approach apart is her expansive definition of creativity that extends far beyond traditional arts. "We can view everything in our lives through the lens of creativity—how we fix a sandwich, how we dress, the conversations we have," she explains. This perspective grants permission to those who’ve never considered themselves "creative" to recognize their unique expressions at work in everyday life.
The conversation explores how coaching differs from therapy, with Jill noting that while therapy helped her process grief, coaching propelled her toward specific creative goals. Her proudest achievement? Producing her CD Infinite Possibilities while organizing an event featuring thirteen female artists that raised over $10,000 for Women for Women International.
Jill’s insights on creative community reveal why groups like Creative Mornings thrive: "People come for the transformation but stay for the people." As she embraces her latest creative challenge—building a YouTube channel—she models the very philosophy she teaches: "Don’t let perfect be the enemy of done."
Join the conversation and discover how embracing your creative truth can turn everyday experiences into extraordinary adventures.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
I remember I had this client longtime client and she
was a writer and to her writingwas natural, easy.
She loved to do it.
It was just like that was hertruth of who she was and how she
saw herself in the world.
And she would say, oh, I've gotto do this and this and this
and this.
And then there's you know, Ihave a bunch of writing to do,
(00:31):
but that's easy.
And I would always stop her andbe like Dawn, that's awesome,
that it's easy for you, and justreally realize that there are a
thousand other people on theplanet today that need to write
something, who are frozen infear because it is not easy for
them.
So and I only say that, so youreally.
(00:51):
So don't discount it, celebrateit, yay.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Hello and welcome to another edition of For the Love
of Creatives podcast.
I'm your host, dwight, I'mjoined by our fabulous co-host,
maddox, and today we are joinedby our featured guest, jill
Allison Bryan.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Hey, Jill, Hi, thanks so much for having me y'all.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
We're so glad that you can be here.
It's been a little while sincewe've actually known you.
I believe that we actually metat a creatives event at a local
artist space in Deep Ellum inJuly of 23.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
You are correct, sir.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
How time flies, doesn't it?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Oh yeah, when you just said two years, I was like
wait, what Two years?
No, we just met recently.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
It seems that way, doesn't it?
But July will make two yearssince that event.
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Well, and it's interesting how, with that time
flying so rapidly, I know thatwe've been in and out of the
same events We've seen, we'vebeen in the same places at the
same time, but we've neverreally had a chance to sit down,
so this is going to be a greatopportunity for us to get to
know each other.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, we can kind of dive deep today.
Yes, the quick hellos andgoodbyes, yeah, yeah, love it.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Well, in preparation for this, my neurodivergent
tendencies just got reallycurious and I saw that you have
quite a story to tell.
I know that you did some timecopywriting in Nashville.
I know that you got to go andspend some time on a yacht in
the Virgin Islands and let mejust interject.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I worked on that yacht.
That sounds very luxurious theway you said it.
Like I went and spent some timeon my yacht for a while, but I
was actually the stewardess,meaning I waited on everybody,
made the beds and scrubbed theheads.
So I mean there was fun, it wasfun to be had.
But I just want to put areality lens on the experience.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Very important Life of the rich and famous huh.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
No, it was more like everybody.
When they find out that Iworked on a sailing yacht, a
cruising sailing yacht, they'relike, oh, like.
What's it called Under Deck?
Or there's some TV show out,that's a reality show.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Lower Deck.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Lower Deck, yeah, and I'm like maybe, so that's
probably it Closer to the truth.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Well, and I and I think I don't know if the the
Nashville influence had anythingto do with it, but when you
returned to Dallas, I know thatyou were also a singer
songwriter- yeah, you know,what's so interesting about that
is actually the singersongwriter part came before.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
It was kind of a thread all the way through.
So loved music, singing, acting, dancing, everything from the
time through.
So loved music, singing, acting, dancing, everything from the
time I was little and I guess itwas.
You know, I was in plays, I wasin choir, I did all that kind
of stuff in high school and Ihad an experience in college
that I think is really familiarMaybe it will be to y'all, I
(04:21):
don't know Certainly with a lotof the people that I have worked
with and met over the years ascreatives.
Where I had a dream or a desireto for mine, for myself, it was
to major in theater in collegedown, you know, my dad was like,
(04:47):
well, that's not very practical, you can, you know, why don't
you minor in theater and majorin something more practical?
And here's an interesting fact.
So I used to tell that storyand believe that story.
It's so interesting, right,what we think about the stories
that we've told ourselves ourwhole life that, yeah, I was
going to do that.
And then my dad said no, and soI, I didn't, and I cut my nose
off to spite my own face.
And you know, I ended upadvertising journalism major
(05:09):
with a double minor in Spanishbecause I loved Spanish and
business practical.
What I realize now, all theseyears later and forgiveness to
my parents, you know was thatthey were doing their best
because they wanted me to besafe and secure, and that's what
they thought that they weresetting me up to.
And, truth be told, if I hadhad the conviction and the
(05:31):
courage and the belief like thisis what I'm going to do, no
matter what I would have toldthem to lump it, as much as I
loved them and said you know I'mgoing to New York or whatever,
whatever, like many people do.
So I've kind of owned my part ofthat story in my older, wiser
years than I used to.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
That's beautiful Jail , that's really an incredible
like full circle thing.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, and I don't know if y'all ever had anything
like like you know, I don't know.
You just look back and youreally realize that my whole
life I've been telling myselfthis and it was kind of let
myself off the hook.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
As I see it now, you know, I do have something that I
, something very not not thathad to do with my parents, but
something I told myself for mywhole lifetime that I finally
freed myself of only about sevenor eight years ago, something
like that.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Very similar.
So again, with this age comessome wisdom, hopefully you know,
I think we do have things likethat.
So but what I did do when I wasin college that let me stay
connected to the performing wasI did perform with.
(06:50):
I usually had a partner thatwould play guitar or something
and that we would sing and I wasusually an acoustic duo kind of
situations.
And it is funny and just acoincidence, that my first grown
up job in you know, out ofcollege, was at this advertising
agency, which was then thebiggest advertising agency in
Nashville.
It's defunct now but that'swhat had me moved to Nashville
(07:15):
and I did have the thought inthe back of my mind I'm going to
Nashville and you know I'm asinger, songwriter too, so maybe
I can get some of that going on.
Even the late.
The family that owned theadvertising agency that I worked
for, they were like such heavyhitters in Nashville.
They were people that wereinvolved with the Opryland,
opryland Hotel, the Grand OldOpry, like they were royalty in
(07:36):
that.
And yet it's so funny, evenonce I got there I really kind
of focused on my advertisingcopywriting career and only had
time and energy really to dabblein music.
So it's funny, it was very Iwas gonna say circuitous I don't
know if that's the correct wordor not, but like for me to have
gone to Nashville, done alittle bit of music, but not
(07:58):
really too much, go all the wayto the Caribbean and then come
back to Dallas, and that's whenI started just performing on my
own as a singer, songwriter, meand a guitar.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
That's amazing, that's yeah, you've had some
interesting adventures.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yes, and some of them I could even talk about here.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Actually, you could probably talk about most of them
here.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Could and would are two different.
You're like, okay, after this,after the camera stops rolling,
we want to know what you'retalking about.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Exactly.
Inquiring minds want to knowWell.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I love the way that you have really kind of framed
that.
You've lived a life that isdefinitely not the the plain
boring path.
For sure that's found.
(09:10):
Our podcast would probablyreally love to know what your
first tendencies towardcreativity were, and I mean way
back when when you were just alittle girl.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Well, I mean, I was definitely singing into my
hairbrush, pretending like I wasCher.
My hairbrush pretending like Iwas Cher and really wanted to be
was very jealous of Chastity atthe time, who was, you know, at
that time.
They're on the show with them,a lot Like the Partridge family.
I like these on-air musicalfamilies and with kids too, with
(09:41):
people my age, it can happenLike I mean, I wanted that.
I also was a writer.
I wrote and thought I needed tohave my book published.
You know, I told my dad this isgoing to be a good book.
You should publish this book.
I was always in the plays.
So I really honestly and this isthe truth, I can't remember a
time I wasn't lit up by somesort of creative process and
(10:05):
really, like, I'm aself-described, unapologetic,
very joyful, multi-passionate,creative and what that means to
me is just, I like all thethings and don't make me choose.
I mean I think there's adifference between like, choose
for a little bit so you canfocus and follow through and
have some things that you'refocused on.
So we're not trying to do allthe things, spinning all the
(10:25):
plates and all of them breakingor not having time for any of it
to be done.
But yeah, I just I mean it'sinteresting because yeah, as a
kid loved all that kind of stuff.
As an adult, one of the thingsthat I realized, probably when I
worked with my first creativitycoach that was a light bulb
moment and I felt very freeingand heartening was that we don't
(10:50):
have to pigeonhole our creativeendeavors.
You know which?
I do think that our schoolsystem and our society, we just
want to pigeonhole people.
So it's easy to tell you arethe athlete, you are the
brainiac, you are the choir geek, like whatever right.
We just get put in those littleboxes real quick and it's
convenient for everybody.
(11:10):
But when I started working withmy coach and I started realizing
I can view everything in mylife through the lens of
creativity everything how I fixa sandwich, you know how I.
Obviously.
How I fix a sandwich, you knowhow I.
Obviously, how I dress, how Iaccessorize, what my home looks
like, the conversations I have,like everything can be seen
(11:32):
either as an opportunity toexpress ourselves creatively or
take in somebody else'screativity.
We need audiences and we needcommunity, as y'all know.
So, in order to have not onlycreative collaborations but just
like I want to soak in otherpeople's creativity you know
it's not all about what I'mproducing- I agree completely.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I know for me, and I've never thought of it too
much until we started havingthese kinds of conversations
with creatives.
But there is a big portion ofmy life with creatives.
But there is a big portion ofmy life, and it's mostly simple
stuff, where my creativity showsup in me solving some sort of a
problem, and some of it's justsilly stuff.
(12:16):
Like you know, the chipscontinue to get stale.
How can I fold the chip bagdown in a manner that they don't
get stale?
And that is truly creativity.
But we don't think of it likethat, of course, until we do
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Until the light bulb goes off and we went oh my God,
everything I do is creative.
You know, whether it's flushthe toilet or brush your teeth,
or everything I do is creative.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, and isn't it great that once you can't unring
that bell like once you, onceyou start to see things that way
, it's just like it's everywhere, it's, it's, it's and it's
contagious too.
I think it also really gives alot of.
I'm big on permission.
I feel like we have to giveourselves permission before we
will do anything, and I thinksome of the most heartening
(13:03):
interactions I've had withpeople who didn't think of
themselves as creative forprobably because the way they
were raised or whatever theywere told, or something like
that and then they're like oh,wait a minute, you're saying the
way that I dress or the waythat I decorate my house or
plant my garden is creative too.
(13:23):
That counts A hundred percentBecause the stereotype right is
can you paint, can you draw, canyou play an instrument.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I hate it.
Yeah, yeah, so many people.
I have so many friends that say, oh, no, not a creative bone in
my body and I'm watching themmake these fabulous home-cooked
meals or I'm watching them dosomething else, that I'm just
marveling at what they're doingand they don't get it.
Yeah, oh, I just do that.
That's not creative.
I don't do that.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Well, you know, the other thing about that, I think,
maddox, is when we do somethingwell or when we've done
something a long time, wediscount it.
So we're like, oh, that oldthing, you know the story or the
example that always comes to me.
That's so funny.
I remember I had this client,longtime client, and she was a
writer and to her writing wasnatural, easy.
(14:13):
She loved to do it.
It was just like that was hertruth of who she was and how she
saw herself in the world.
And she would say, oh, I've gotto do this and this and this
and this.
And then you know, I have abunch of writing to do, but
that's easy.
And I would always stop her andbe like Dawn, that's awesome
that it's easy for you, and justreally realize that there are a
(14:37):
thousand other people on theplanet today that need to write
something, who are frozen infear because it is not easy for
them.
So and I only say that, so youreally, so don't discount it,
celebrate it.
Yay, Writing is easy for me.
I love to write.
Writing energizes me.
We've got, we'll probably haveother problems to deal with, so
(14:58):
why borrow?
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Absolutely, dwight.
I'm realizing that we have thebenefit of knowing at least a
little bit about what Jill does,but our audience doesn't.
So let's give you a minute Jillto just.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I am a creativity coach, a master creativity coach
and the founder of CreativeOasis Coaching, which I opened
(15:31):
in 2008.
So it's been a minute that Ihave been doing this and
basically, I help creativepeople to get out of their own
way, to take the ideas that arewhirling around in their minds
and, you know, move past theblocks of procrastination,
(15:52):
perfectionism, overwhelm innercritic voices and really get
clear on what it is they want toshare creatively with the world
, whether professionally orpersonally, and then help them
to do that.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I love that, and that begs an immediate question what
was the one thing that you hadto help yourself get beyond that
?
You know, getting you out ofyour own way.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
This is going to sound like a setup, but it's the
truth.
I worked with the creativitycoach, but I'll I'll tell you
that.
I'll tell you the little likesnapshot of it.
So you're familiar with theartist's way.
Yes, julia Cameron's, theartist's way, right?
So the the joke or the, not thejoke, but the like.
The norm for the artist's wayfor so many of us, I think, is
like I've meet people and belike do you, oh, the artist's
(16:43):
way?
I own it, you know like, or ohthe artist's way.
I read the first three chaptersand I just found I just find
that it's like it's a lot of youknow, you really dig in the
dirt and you really do a lot ofwork if you go through all the
way through the artist's way.
So, like many people, I owned acopy of the artist's way.
I was super drawn to it.
I felt like it had things totell me and to teach me and I
(17:05):
was excited to do it.
But I can never make it throughit by myself.
And then I joined a group whichis so helpful to go through it
with, and it was like a I can'tremember now, at least a 12, 14,
16 week program, cause we dideach chapter you know week at a
time program.
(17:26):
Because we did each chapter,you know, week at a time.
Interestingly, I think therewere 10 of us when we first
started only four finished.
So again, you have to.
I mean you have to want to dothe work and be there.
But it was after we had finishedthat going through the artist's
way together and I had elicitedlike all of these next chapter
ideas for myself that I wasreally excited about and the
group was going to go ontogether and do another book of
(17:46):
Julia Cameron's called Bane ofGold, and I was like that sounds
good.
But also, remember, this is2007 or so.
So I just started to hear aboutlife coaches.
It was like relatively new tome anyway, and I was like I
think maybe I want to work witha life coach.
Do you know of a life coach?
I asked one of the teachers ofthe Artist's Way group that I
(18:07):
was in and she said, well, notspecifically, but check out this
woman.
She calls herself a creativitycoach and I just got like chills
.
And then I went on to herwebsite and I saw her.
You know, do you have so manyideas but you don't know what to
do?
Do you suffer withprocrastination and
perfectionism?
I was just reading and checkingall the boxes and then I felt
(18:28):
like a choir of angels was goingoh, this is what you're
supposed to do next.
So it was Jill Bonansky.
She's a creativity coach and itwas.
I started working with herhonestly and that's how I was
able to, I would say, get backto myself as a creative, because
(18:49):
at that time I was married andI had a young child, and so I
had.
Really I was at one of thosecrossroads that we come to in
life where I had looked up andwas like where'd Jill go?
Where did Jill, who moved tothe Nashville and moved to the
Caribbean and was a singer,songwriter and did all of these
wonderful things you know,exciting, adventurous things and
(19:09):
did all of these wonderfulthings you know, exciting,
adventurous things?
She'd kind of gotten lost, andso, working with Jill, I really
not only found that spark inmyself again, but was really
able to harness it and do athing that I hadn't done in
earnest ever, which was reallydial into my singer, songwriter
self and start performing aroundtown again, this time with
keyboards, started writing andsinging and then made a dream
(19:34):
come true, which was to writeand produce a solo CD.
Now I had sung on a lot ofpeople's CDs, I had been in a
band with other people, but todo my own was a big dream, and
so that was kind of my.
I consider that and the CDrelease as my thesis, as a
creativity coach.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Nice.
Now was that the infinitepossibilities.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
It was you did do your homework and research,
that's right.
Infinite possibilities, a nightof music, art and women helping
women.
And, oh my gosh, I'm justrealizing I'm coming up this
week on the 15th yearanniversary of that.
I mean, I realized it before,but I forgot until this moment.
But yeah, so 15 years ago.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Wow, we kind of had parallel stories.
My first experience with theLife Coach was in 2006.
It was not a creativity coach,it's a life coach.
And then 2008, I got my firstwas in 2006.
It was not a creativity coach,just a life coach.
And then 2008, I got my firstcertification in coaching.
I mean, as soon as I saw whatshe could do, I was like, oh my
God.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Right, yeah, it's like you see behind the curtain
and you're like, oh, I can helppeople do that.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Well, I had been a hairdresser forever and realized
that my clients were coming inand telling me all their woes
and I had been standing behindthe chair having these
conversations with them anddidn't know that that was a
thing you know, didn't know thatthere was a name for it or that
you actually could get paid forit.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Right, yeah, we were double dipping when we were
getting our hair cut and gettingcoaching at the same time.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Oh, yes, you know, and I love that, you know.
I just to me, it was just partof the service.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
You know, I just freely gave it away along with
their haircut.
And I would even have clientssay you know, I love the way you
cut my hair, but I come for thecoaching.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Well, there you go, that's great.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, we do have a similar past, then Interesting
yeah it's interesting, my firstexposure to coaching actually
came by way of well, it wassomething that I was going
through as a result of grievingthe loss of my partner of 20
years who passed away due tocomplications from advanced
(21:55):
liver failure.
I had been seeing a, I'd beenseeing a psychologist and we
were we were able to makeprogress as, as could be the
best that could be expected,with how unpredictable grief can
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be, with the things thattrigger it.
That helped me to find a pathto explore who I really was and
what I really needed, because,after being in an intense
caregiving situation for acouple of years, I had
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completely gotten lost and itwas an affirming and healing
thing for me.
An affirming and healing thingfor me I could see progress that
was being made almost on adaily basis, like it was like
this opening up.
That was incredible and, uh, Iwent from being in a state that
(23:04):
it was kind of like death for meto uh, to kind of turning the
page and being open topossibilities and actually
wanting to embrace what wascoming next.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, that's huge.
Oh, I'm so grateful that youfound the person and the methods
to help you with that.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
You know, I've come to believe that that's a rite of
passage for humans, I think.
I think we have to go through aperiod where we get lost so we
can find ourselves.
I don't know very many peoplethat, if they're going to be
honest, wouldn't say yes atleast once, and maybe multiple
times.
I've been completely lost in mylife.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yes, yeah, I agree if they're being honest, because
otherwise the path is too muchlike the path that we're
supposed to be on, that somebodyelse wants us to be on or we
seem to be on.
But, yeah, I think you're right, maddox.
And so you were saying, dwight,then that really for you, that
healing and that being able tocome out the other side and
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embrace life again and see whatwas waiting for you, came from
working with a coach.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, yeah, I think.
Actually I think coaching andtherapy work beautifully
together, like I think they can,you know, lift each other up.
They're not, they don't have tobe mutually exclusive and
they're doing two differentthings a lot of time.
But I have had people say to melongtime clients say that they
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got, they feel like they hadmore actual movement in the
direction they wanted to be withcoaching.
Now, again, that depends, right.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
That's been my experience.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Mine as well.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Years of therapy earlier in my life, up until
maybe about seven or eight yearsago, and then coaching from
2006, until I still from time totime check in with a coach or
have a coach for a very.
You know I've had multiplebecause they all serve different
purposes, but it moved theneedle way more than therapy for
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me.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Now, coaching isn't designed to deal with trauma.
No, no trauma recovery.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
There are trauma coaches, but that's yeah, but
I'd want to make sure that youwere really coaches, but that's
yeah, but that they I'd want tomake sure that you were really
that was your speciality and youreally knew what you were.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
A lot of times those are therapists that have crossed
over into coaching.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Lately.
Yeah, I've met also medicaldoctors, a lot of people.
I think people are seeing thevalue.
I mean, honestly, if I had themagic wand that we're all that,
we all kind of wish we had tohelp the world in all the ways,
like if everybody could have acoach.
The other thing about coachingright is like such a different
relationship than even a very,very well-meaning friend or
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family member.
Right, there's just they knowyou in a different way and even
if they're an open-heartedperson that wants the best for
you, they can't have that samenonjudgmental kind of
perspective that that a coachcan have.
And even even that differencebetween coaching and therapy I
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think is like the dogma is notthere more, tuning you back into
yourself, introducing you toquestions in ways that you can
trust yourself and your ownanswers and how you want to be
in the world.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Coaching always feels like more of a two-way street
to me than therapy.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah especially the therapy where nobody's talking
except for you.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I didn't know anything about the therapist
Right.
They knew all about me.
I didn't know anything aboutthe therapist, you know, they
knew all about me.
I didn't know anything aboutthem.
And I have a tendency when I'mcoaching to share deeply
personal stories if it'srelevant to something that
they're going through, andthat's where that two way.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Right.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I mean I've anybody that I coach, I get close to to
the degree at some point in ourrelationship.
I'm telling them that I lovethem.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
You know, of course I did that with my hair clients
as well.
You know it.
Just they become.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
I can see that.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
They become family.
You know, they really do.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah, yeah, not surprising.
Well, I'm really curious as towhat of young, young Jill for
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having the inclination and thenhaving the courage to do it,
because I guess the idea wasreally sparked First my dad.
At that point in time my dadhad a little sailboat, like a
sunfishy kind of sailboat thathe did some, you know, around in
Arlington and then he foundthese those bare boat, bare boat
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charter kind of situation soyou can go down and get if you
have a captain's license and youcan sail the boat around the
Caribbean.
So he had done that a couple oftimes with friends and really
loved it.
And so I went down with mybrother and my mom and dad and a
boyfriend I was dating at thetime and that was my first
introduction to really bigsailing, like open water sailing
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like that and the Caribbean,and I was like this is amazing,
this is beautiful, how fun.
Came home to Nashville where Iwas copywriting and there was
this beautiful four color printad campaign that came out for
the US Virgin Islands and Iremember there was a double
spread of St John's, just like apalm tree in the sandy beach,
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and I stuck it up on my bulletinboard in my office and I just
kind of moon over it every day,like, oh, that was so great,
that's wonderful.
And then you know, I just Ican't remember exactly what put
the thought in my head Well, youcould move there.
What?
What if I think I had gonethrough a breakup and I just
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kind of was thinking to myselfwell, you've done all the things
you're supposed to do.
You graduated from high school,then you graduated from college
, then you went and got a job inyour degree.
That was your, your, you know,your practical degree.
That wasn't theater, so youshowed, you did that and you
know you're doing pretty wellhere.
But you don't have any otherreal time like now's the time
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right?
Like if you want to dosomething.
Pulling up stakes, as you say,isn't that hard when you're 20,
something you didn't have, I,basically.
So I I moved in with a friend ofmine, roger, who was amazing.
He let me live with him for hebought my piano.
We lived together for likethree months while I sold
everything I owned and savedextra money, and then I just got
a duffel bag in my guitar and Iwent down there and the funny
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thing was was that ended upbeing a situation that I never
would have thought.
I didn't even know I was goingto work on a boat.
I just was moving to theCaribbean, y'all.
I was just like I'll figure itout, I can wait tables or
bartend for sure.
And that's what I did for likethe first three weeks or four
weeks.
And then all my friends Istarted meeting down there that
had money, they were working onthe charter boats.
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I was like, oh, hold on.
Since I didn't have anyexperience, I just wrote a funny
kind of rhyming pretend resume,almost basically saying I'll
sing for my supper, I'll, youknow, I'll make the beds
whatever.
And I put them in all thecaptain's boxes and I got an
interview and I got hired andthen I went to move on.
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I lived on the boat.
So what ended up happening wasI sent money home, I saved money
.
It was so weird because I hadno bills.
My food was paid for, mylodging was paid for, we were
paid pretty darn well when wehad charters, and so I got to
see all this part of theCaribbean that I thought at the
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time and I was correct I wouldnever see as much of again,
because we went all the way fromthe US Virgin Islands to the
British Virgin Islands, stMartin, st Kitts, all the way
down to Antigua many times backand forth.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
I love that area, all of that.
I've been to multiple locationsover my lifetime and I love
every ounce of it.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, oh, I miss it.
I haven't been in a long time.
I say I miss it.
I haven't been in a long timeand it's been through, you know,
a hurricane or two since I'vebeen down there.
But yeah, I just, you know, Ithink I had that wiser than my
years.
You know, I didn't realizereally at the time, I just had
the thought now, if not now,then when?
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And I think, but without thepressure, if not now, then when?
And I think, but without thepressure, you know, because I
was 25, so I was invincible atthat point in some ways.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
But yeah, I was glad that I did that and had that
experience.
Yeah, I think that one thoughtis the real wisdom.
You know, if not now, when?
Oh?
Speaker 1 (32:06):
and that's true.
Now, right, I think that's trueat every crossroads we come to,
and maybe not pressure-y, butespecially now, like I think it
becomes more clear with everypassing year that you know I've
got less time on that end thanthat end, and rather than let
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that be a fear-inducing kind ofenergy for me.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
I want it to be a Motivating and spiraling.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yeah, let's go yeah, and if not now, when really?
And the truth of the matter is,you know, we never know.
I think the one it didn't turnout the way I kept hoping that
COVID would be the thing thateverybody would walk away from
going.
Oh yeah, now I get it.
Like tomorrow's not promisedfor real, like it can, the whole
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world can shut down in amonth's time, you know, and
nobody was expecting that.
Think that, if we can, if we cantap into that or remember that
without it being totally fueledby fear, but more, just like
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this is it.
We've got this go around, atleast in this particular suit, I
don't know.
And and let's, let's go for it.
Trust has a lot to do with it,I think, like trusting ourselves
, trusting that it's going to beokay, and then, of course, that
you know what, what your lifewas up until the point you're
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making.
That decision has a greatbearing on on that trust, right,
whether or not you're able totrust that.
Have you been in situations inthe past where you could trust
and that kind of thing?
So?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
yeah, I, I think it's fabulous that you had the
wisdom to, to go and seize thatmoment.
And just hearing all of thewonderful things, the wonderful
adventures that you have takenpart in it begs the, the
question, you know, and it'sreally it's harder to uh
(34:14):
appreciate the, the masterpiecethat is your life, when you're
so close to it.
But what is it that you aremost proud of?
What is your, your crowningachievement?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Oh, my goodness.
Um also, I just want to writedown what you just said the
masterpiece that is your life.
I'm like that's a lovely,lovely way to look at it and it
really does.
I mean, I will say it goes backto what I was saying before.
I think I do think of my lifeas my canvas.
I like masterpiece even better.
If it's going to be a canvas,let's make it a masterpiece.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
If you don't walk away with anything else, you got
that today right.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
That's it.
Yeah, I've upgraded my lifecanvas to masterpiece in motion.
So, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, Imean, I guess I mean truthfully,
as far as just creation mydaughter is definitely my, you
(35:16):
know, number one kind ofcreation, right, I think about
it in that way very often, butyeah, that's still kind of
mind-blowing to me that's reallypulling some meaning up right
now and I can feel it, yeah,yeah, just, that you uh
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literally create another humanbeing.
I mean, like, I know people doit every day.
It's like la, la, people do it,that's how we propagate the
earth, whatever.
But still, and then there's,you know, I mean familial and
friendship bonds are just youknow, it's a different level.
But so so my daughter, um,because I would feel remiss if I
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put anything else of her then,if we're talking like practical
in the practical world, probablymy CD and CD release, because
the CD release itself happenedafter I did have my, I'd earned
my certification and startedcreative, the early, early baby
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stages of creative oasiscoaching.
But I already, you know, as acreativity coach.
My thought was well, jill, youcan't just go to some bar, smoky
bar and deep bellum and hawkyour CDs and play, you know,
like you can.
What else can you do?
Like, let's think bigger, let'smake it more creative and let's
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also y'all will understand thislet's not make it just about
you.
How can we find a way to makethis CD release which is
ostensibly about you and your CD, not just about you?
And what I came up with was Ido have a lot of talented artist
friends.
Even back then I had a lot oftalented artists, friends and
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female.
So I had just found Women forWomen International.
Are you familiar with thatorganization that helps women in
war-torn countries viaeducation, medical.
It's a wonderful sponsorshipprogram.
It's just super vibrant andhuge now I'm sure.
But anyway, I had just startedsponsoring women through that
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and I thought, well, if I cantie it to that some way, that
would be great.
And then there were 13 songs onthe CD.
So I invited 13 female artiststo each make something inspired
by one of the 13 songs andcontribute that for a silent art
auction.
I put I got sponsors.
I mean, it was a big, like sixto nine month project to get
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this CD release going.
I had a lot of help.
I had a lot of people raisetheir hand to say this sounds
great.
How can I help the artists whocontributed?
We made videos of each of theartists talking about their
piece and how they did it,because also, some of these
artists at that time theyweren't thinking of them.
So they knew they could paint,they knew where they were
artists, but they wouldn't havesaid that in the world
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necessarily.
And here was a video.
Here was a video that was goingon a website telling the world
oh no, but you are, because lookhere, here you are and you are
talking about this art thatyou've made for this.
So so we had the silent artauction.
I performed the entirety of the13 songs with the band.
We had a raffle and thesponsorship and a really
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wonderful evening in the designdistrict at a cool, cool place
that doesn't exist anymore.
It was a little bit like thebest I can describe.
It was like Alice in Wonderlandon acid.
It had really oversizedfurniture that was painted kind
of whimsically and a little bitMad Hattery, so that was awesome
.
And then, after all was saidand done, it was a heck of a
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party and we ended up raising,after everything was paid for,
so profit, over $10,000 forwomen for Women International
and awareness, because I talkedabout it a lot as well.
So the artists got their bravasand their, you know, being
shared with the world as well asWomen for Women International,
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and that's how I got my CD out,you know, and it felt I was more
energized and I think y'allunderstand that to do it in that
way, because it wasn't allabout me and the cd but geez,
pretty dang creative you know, Imean really, really thinking
way over here, out of the box.
I love it yeah, that, and like Isay, I feel like that was my, I
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think it came right about thetime, right like that was what
happened right after I'd earnedmy certification, and I always
think of it as like if mycertification was a master's
program, that would have been mythesis, that infinite
possibilities event, that'swonderful.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
So Jill in your coaching with clients.
What is the thing, the aspectof it that you just love the
most, your favorite part of it?
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Them.
I mean, you know, just seeingpeople, I mean, I think what I'm
here I heard a little bit ofthis from y'all as well.
The desire to become a coachwas because of our wonderful
experience as coachees, as beingcoached right Like you're like
when you see what's possible,you want that for other people,
(40:32):
you don't want to sit on it.
You want everyone yeah Like youhave a cure for something and
you're like, no, but really thisis, this is great.
I mean, if it's aligned right,if they want it and you can't.
It's just like you can't tellsomebody they need to go to AA
or they need to go to WeightWatchers or something like that.
They have to want it.
You don't tell people they needcoaching, but when somebody
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really wants it and they'rethere for it and you have the
empathy of knowing what it'slike to want a thing, to want to
create a thing or share, put athing in the world and keep
stopping yourself for one fearor something and you don't even
know what it is sometimes and tobe able to help them see what
it is, get clear especially forthe multi-passionates who have a
(41:13):
million ideas to get clear onwhat they want to do next and
then focus and follow throughand make it happen and have that
satisfaction.
Wonderful to see other peopleexperiencing that and knowing
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how great it feels.
You know and and what like itwasn't lost.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
It could have just known you had a role in it.
All right, they had a bigbreakthrough and and you had a
role in it I feel like.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
I mean, I do feel like the word call, like I feel
like this is what I'm supposedto be doing, like I have no,
there's no like, hmm, but Iwonder.
I mean, there's still othercreative projects that I may or
may not get to do in my timeleft on the earth.
But this right, the, thecoaching, this is definitely
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what I'm meant to do, and and,and I think we'll do it.
It obviously lights you up andI think we'll do it obviously
lights you up.
It does energize me.
I also have to say part of oneof the things I love about it is
I coach both one-on-one andsmall groups, but I offer these
sessions three times a week thateverybody gets to come to
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one-on-one clients and the group, so everybody gets a chance to
be in community, even if they'repreferred to be coached
one-on-one and usually they lovethat most love that as well.
And it's just this.
You know, the cliche is truefor a reason, but a rising tide
lifts all boats.
So seeing people learning fromeach other, having aha moment,
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or somebody stumbling and beingsupported, somebody winning and
being supported, it's just.
It's so much easier than doingthings in a vacuum, right, when
we've got other people.
And sometimes it's easier tosee the lesson when somebody
else does it.
Like you said, it's hard to seeourselves.
Sometimes you know like, oh,that thing that you're doing I
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can now I see how I'm doing ittoo, and oh, and your course
correcting, beautifully, I thinkI'll do what you're doing, you
know.
So, yeah, I love that part ofit.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
I love the rising boats quote.
I think the first time I everheard that was perhaps one, I
don't remember which one now oneof the board members for the
Dallas Galleries for Advocacy.
Yes, and it had an impact onboth Dwight and I.
We were together when we heardit and now we say it all the
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time.
I put it in some of my writing.
It's on webpages of oursbecause, you know, it just says
it in a way that I can't thinkof a better way to say it.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yeah, agreed, yeah.
Some of those cliches arearound and used all the time for
a reason that's right Our braingets it really quickly.
I mean also I think it's true,you know putting the oxygen mask
on yourself first.
I know that one is used a lot,but it you're like get it so
quickly?
Yeah, and people tend not to soyeah.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Well, you got a chance to really go out there
with your your thesis project.
It was an exercise in bringingtogether creative community
creatively and you have beenengaged with with Creative
Mornings.
You were actually ourintroduction to Creative
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Mornings.
I love that.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
And I don't know if you know this, but you know that
my first time was when youspoke, but I haven't missed a
single meeting since then.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
I do know that I love that too.
It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
I've been there every and I invite.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
And you've brought people and yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
This past Friday I had invited 10 people.
I think one came, but I invited10.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah, we are believers.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Yeah, I know We've all sipped of the Kool-Aid and
are very much in the yeah forsure, I love creative mornings
and creative community is verymuch what we are all about.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Yeah, and I'm I'm really curious about how, with
all of the ways that you havebeen involved, all of the
creative communities that you'veseen in and around the town,
what patterns have you noticedin how successful creative
communities operate?
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Well, I think I mean there's a real spirit of giving
right.
Like so Creative Mornings.
I had already been going to thein-person live once a month
meetings for a couple yearsbefore, a few years before COVID
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, and even that I was like wow,like this is a pretty amazing
thing to offer every month,month after month, a beautiful
space, a speaker, deliciousbreakfast and coffee and cool
people.
Like wow, you know, that's verygenerous, very expansive.
(46:28):
And then when the lockdownhappened and they started
offering virtual field trips asa way to again anything like
connect people, offer some hope,offer something to do while
you're at home, that kind ofthing, and I raised my hand
(46:48):
immediately and I think I wasone of the first 10 or 12 people
to do a field trip.
And now I've done dozens.
But again, there's this they'refree.
I mean we have sponsors andeverything.
Obviously it's like it'srunning in some.
It's not magic.
I mean it's also sponsors atthis point that care about it,
but a lot of volunteers amazingvolunteers as well but just that
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feeling of yeah, like do youwant to learn about this, do you
want to learn about that?
And you could be in a room avirtual room, but a virtual room
with people from all around theworld, all around the world and
learning about the same thingor having the same experience or
trying a new technique or funthing together, and I just I
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love that piece of it, that kindof Supportiveness.
And I don't know if you all arefamiliar with the Creative Arts
Center of Dallas.
I don't know if y'all arefamiliar with the Creative Arts
Center of Dallas.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I teach ahandful of.
I've like four to six workshopsthere a year three to four,
just depends on the year, but Ihave for again over a decade and
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I think a place like that atits best are when people are
supporting each other, right, orwhen we open.
They just opened their doorsand had their first art market.
That was open.
It wasn't just teachers andstudents, I think.
They opened tables up for othervendors to come in and sell
their creative goods.
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And that's not what the CAC doesnormally.
It's normally all about classesand workshops.
But, you know, giving creativesa place to be and connect and
show their stuff.
I mean, the Creative ArtsCenter is in a cool wrong
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pointing over there, a cool oldbuilding that was like a 50s
elementary school building orsomething and they did a little
renovation a couple years ago.
So there's this small but nicelittle gallery space and they've
been hosting openings andgallery um shows for artists
that may not may not get to havethem at other places.
So I think, opportunity likeopportunity for people to say
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this is what I'm doing, you know, as a creative in the world and
and um, you know in person oronline.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
But I have a mentor that said to us at one point
people come for thetransformation but they stay for
the people.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Yep, yep, and I think that's true.
Yeah, mean, and you never.
I mean for sure.
When I go to to a creativemornings meeting now I'm gonna
get the clint again, y'all.
What's happening?
Hormonal?
Um, when I go to a creativemornings meeting on any given
(49:43):
friday, I don't know who all'swell, I know y'all are going to
be there.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
You're pretty, pretty , pretty good site that we're
going to be there.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
Y'all are going to be there, but I don't know exactly
who's going to be there and Idon't know what the topic's
going to be about.
Or even if I kind of think Iknow I don't usually really know
, and it does, I always lookforward to it.
It doesn't matter.
I know I'm going to learnsomething.
I know I'm going to meetsomebody or get to reconnect
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with somebody who's justsimpatico, who's just cool or
maybe who will challenge me.
But just like people, I want tobe around, you know, and I
think that's just so.
It's huge, there's just youknow.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
We have met some phenomenal people.
It's huge.
We have met some phenomenalpeople, and then those people
introduce us to other peoplethat may not even be involved in
Creative Mornings At this point.
We've just got this networkthing that is happening, a
network of people it's happening, where we're spending quite a
(50:45):
bit of time now in socialaspects that we're creating,
mostly aside from the businessand the events that we do, but
just little gatherings of peoplehere in the house that are well
during the pandemic.
One of the things I said was,when this is over, I'm going to
go back out into the streets andI'm going to do whatever it
takes to create an epic sociallife for myself, and I want my
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house to be a social hub, and itis.
We have arrived.
We have an epic social life andthere is people coming to the
house you know frequently forgatherings and it's got to be
maybe one of the most fulfillingthings I've done in my entire
life.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
That's awesome, that's great.
Speaker 3 (51:30):
In fact, whether it's an event for the love of
creatives or it's a littlegathering here at the house that
we curate, I'm usually sopumped afterwards that I lose an
entire night of sleep.
We had friends here on Saturdaynight.
There were eight of us,including Dwight and I, so it
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was very small, very intimate,and everybody split between nine
and 930.
And I laid awake until twoo'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
You sound like after a gig.
Like after a gig I'd be like Ican't go to bed now.
It's like Like I remember likeafter a gig I'd be like I can't
go to bed now.
It's like I got all thisadrenaline.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
Yeah, yeah, I.
I just.
It's like yeah, it's a sociallife that I paid dearly for
through the loss of sleep.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Yeah, yeah.
Our saving grace with thatgathering was that it was all
adults and everyone reallyenjoyed getting to bed at a
decent hour.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
Yeah, it's like going to shows now and you're like
wait what?
You're not going on until nineo'clock.
I don't know if I can.
I love the adult.
Start time Starts at seveno'clock.
You'll be in bed by 930.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Yes, this gathering we started at six.
No-transcript.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
There you go, that's a good iteration.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
Well, this has been a fabulous hangout.
I'm so glad that we got achance to do this.
Thanks for the invitation.
I appreciate it.
Well, we can't let you gowithout getting into a round of
rapid fire questions for somerapid fire answers.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
So my brain works for the rapid fire and it's not
like deer in headlights.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
It'll be entertaining either way.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Yes, that's right, I'll think of it that way.
Thanks for that reframe, maddox.
Thanks for that reframe.
Maddox.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
So rapid fire.
Question number one yes.
What form of creativity do youengage in to relax?
Speaker 1 (53:53):
Ah, easy.
Visual journaling meaningcollage, mixed media, yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
Nice, all right.
Next question what creativechallenges will you next
overcome?
Speaker 1 (54:10):
I am dedicated to my.
My focus right now is it's newfor me, so there's a learning
curve, so there's a little bitof that kind of factor Like I
don't already know how to do thething, which, at my age, is
like wait what?
You know how to do all thethings you need to do so far.
So I'm learning a new way toshare my work in the world and
(54:33):
yeah, so there's going to be alot of growth around that and
I'm excited about that.
Like I don't want to get stayed, I don't want to just be like
you know, I know how to do this.
I'm going to keep doing it inthe same old way, but yeah, so I
guess it doesn't matter if Isay it.
Speaker 3 (54:53):
I'm saying it again You're describing a little bit
of a pivot.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
Well, no, it's not really a pivot to like.
The coaching is the same.
It's like how I'm going to putmyself out there.
So it's like really doublingdown and focusing on my YouTube
channel and sharing things likethat.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
So I mean, I've kind of toyed with podcast vlog this,
that, the other, for a whileand again, as a multi-passionate
, sometimes I'll just are youfamiliar with human design at
all?
Speaker 2 (55:22):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (55:23):
Taking us off in another direction, but
manifesting generator anyway.
So I respond well, like this.
So I.
This has been perfect for me.
You say something, you ask me aquestion, I respond like I'm a
responder.
And so some class that I took,or maybe one of my coaches, said
something about you don't haveto be on all the platforms all
the time at the same level, likewhat's the one that lights you
(55:44):
up or you think would light youup.
And I'm like same level, likewhat's the one that lights you
up or you think would light youup.
And I'm like I'm supercomfortable on on video.
I love to make videos and yetI'm not really utilizing that.
And then I just started goingdown the rabbit hole of what
about a YouTube channel?
And I was like I think that'sthe, my next thing I'm going to
try.
No, so it's not trying.
A new field of work Like the,the creative voices.
Coaching stays the same, butit's like how I'm getting it out
(56:07):
into the world in front of newpeople is going to be YouTube.
So we shall see.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
Love that.
I'm looking forward to it.
Thank you, we'll definitelymake sure to include some links.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
Oh, thanks, I appreciate that and it's also
like I'm very in beginner's mindand I'm very I need.
I am taking my own advice ofgood enough, like don't let
perfect be the enemy of the thedone, because otherwise no
videos are going out.
Speaker 3 (56:34):
Yeah, letting go of that perfectionism is like one
of the I.
I carried that for years.
And now just to let go of andlet things be what they are to,
to be able to say you know,we're going to record this
podcast episode and it's justgoing to be put up the way it is
.
That's right, you know, andthat there was so much freedom
(56:55):
in that.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
Yeah, oh, I bet yeah Because, and honestly, if I'm
being truthful, like probablyone of the main reasons I never
did start a podcast was not thispart.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
I love this part.
Speaker 1 (57:07):
Right, I can do this all day, but they're like, oh,
and then I'm going to have toedit it and this, that and the
other.
It was just like although I'mdoing some of that on YouTube
too, but it's just like, yeah,you have a choice, it doesn't
have to be perfect, it's goingto be fine.
I actually heard somebody saysomething that's really cool
(57:33):
that if you look back on yourearly whatever podcast episodes,
videos, songs, poetry, artwork,whatever it is and you think,
oh, cringy, yeah, great, becausethat's you've grown that's
right, that's all that means.
That's right, and you started,you didn't let the cringy keep
you from just starting andtrying.
Speaker 3 (57:47):
Yeah, I think it was 2021 or two that I did 55 or 53
Facebook Lives, one every weekfor 53 weeks, and the first few
the first one in particular washorrible.
It was so bad.
And then I started to get alittle bit of a groove, you know
(58:09):
, and then I took a little classthat helped me learn some tips
and techniques.
I had a formula to work withand by the time it all ended, I
was like light years beyondwhere I was when I had started.
And the same with the podcast.
This is my second podcast.
I did a podcast in 21 and 22 or22 and 23, something like that.
(58:37):
It was 80 episodes and therewas just this progression from
really starched anduncomfortable and not sure what
to say to just relaxing in.
And that's why I say, you know,to every guest just pretend
that we're sitting over a cup ofcoffee in a coffee shop having
a conversation, because that wasthe visualization that helped
(59:01):
me get to the point where Icould drop all of the weirdness
and just be me.
Speaker 2 (59:06):
Yeah, whatever that looked like it's funny that you
would say that, because Iremember when I was first
learning to engage on video,like I my, my tendency, my
default, is actually to be very,very flat, very much focusing
(59:27):
on the intelligence of the wordsthemselves and not really
leaning into all the other cues.
Speaker 3 (59:34):
You should do a brief demonstration for us, Dwight.
Speaker 2 (59:37):
No, I would not subject anyone to that because
it's horrifying.
It can be actually a littleoff-putting, but the first time
that I really saw Maddox leaninto what he had to do in order
for being able to convey therange of emotion on video, he
(01:00:00):
looked crazy to me.
It was just Well give her alittle overview.
It was just.
Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Well, give her a little overview.
So he comes in and I'mrecording a video and I'm
talking, I'm doing the wholething, and he thinks oh my God,
that is so weird, you can't,there's no way, that's going to
work, you know.
And then I ended the video andI played it back and he stood
here and he watched the video ofwhat he had just seen live
(01:00:25):
doing and he said that's not thesame video.
I said it is because no, itcouldn't be, cause I just saw
you just like doing really weirdstuff, and you're not doing any
of that weird stuff on thevideo.
Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
And I said that's the way it works.
Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
You have to be way more animated on video for it to
look normal when it's playedback.
Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Well, and in my experience in life, I actually
have to go through somethingthat is akin to that filter that
you're doing for video.
I really have to be mindful ofwhat it is, what the cues are
that I'm sending, and, as aresult, I've become more
sensitive to the cues thatpeople are putting out.
(01:01:09):
So it's it's been helpful.
Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Good, yeah, and it's such.
I think this is a very coolconcept with y'all doing it
together and yeah, and I lovethe laid back.
Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
Wow, we, we love the tag, the team tag thing or tag
team.
However, you say that.
Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
It took a little bit in the beginning for us to kind
of get a little bit of a flow.
We kind of tripped over eachother a little bit for the first
few episodes, and we still doevery once in a while.
Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
And the nice thing is , things don't have to be super
rigid, like the plan was to askthree rapid fire questions and
we went down a rabbit hole.
Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
but sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
No, no, but it's good .
It's good.
I think this is going to bequite fun for for anyone that
happens to watch or hear it.
Oh yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
No doubt.
Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
So the the last of the rapid fire questions is what
character from popular fictiondo you most identify with, and
why?
Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Oh, now there's the one.
Those other two were so easy.
Oh my gosh.
This is the part my brain ispopular fiction.
I'll tell you who I want, who Ilove.
Okay, that work.
I'll tell you who I wish myfairy godmothers were Frankie
(01:02:35):
and Grace Lily and Jane.
Fonda.
Actually, I love them as theircharacters and as their real
selves.
As their characters and astheir real selves, and if I
could just like live in thebeach house with them and their
wacky shenanigans and all that,I would just.
I don't know that I'd want tobe either one of either one of
(01:02:58):
them, but I would love to havethem for my like mentors or, you
know, gal pals.
Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Yeah, it's a pretty amazing show.
Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
I I haven't seen all of it and he's only seen a
little bit of it, but, um, it ispretty remarkable yeah, I don't
think they want to be themeither yeah, it's, yeah, I like,
I like, I guess her attitude,their attitudes of like, the
more you watch the show they dokind of like, if not now, when
(01:03:28):
they just do all kinds of thingsyou know.
Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Oh, they do.
They totally have.
I have no more fucks to giveattitude throughout that whole.
Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Well, that and I do think that that's again that's
one of the benefits of gettingyou know past 50 and up in our,
because it's like it becomestrue.
Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
Well, for a lot of people it does maybe not for
everybody, but I like that part.
I like that part a lot, whenyou really discover the beauty
of just being you, without allof the social mask and the
pretense and thinking thatyou've got to be a certain way
for people to like you.
Oh my gosh, talk about anexhale.
Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Did you see that we all just took an exhale?
Yes, it made me want to take abreath Like, oh, that sounds
exhausting, just remembering orhearing you talk.
You know talking about it.
Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Been there, done that , no more of that please.
Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
So, yeah, good stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
This has been amazing , jill, thank you so much.
I mean, I think this definitelymakes me experience like a
connection to you that I didn'thave, because we just hadn't had
the opportunity to do this, yes, so thank you so much for this.
Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Thank you for the invitation.
I trusted you both implicitlybecause I was like, I'm just
going to do this, yes, so thankyou so much for this.
Thank you for the invitation.
Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
I trusted you both implicitly because I was like
I'm just going.
Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
We've got no script, we've got no questions
pre-planned, just going to havea convo.
Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
You've never been on a show where there was no plan,
huh.
Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Zero plan?
Probably not.
Probably, at least, like we'regoing to ask you a little
something about this, that orthe other.
Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
So yeah, Well, we just want to acknowledge you for
taking that leap of faith.
Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Also there's a bit of trust, like I didn't think you
guys were going to do anythingLike now's the point, except for
the rapid fire, and I didn'tsee that coming.
But that's okay, that's okay, Ihad my first answer came so
quickly and I'm like great,these are going to be a piece of
cake, well.
Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
I think you nailed them all.
You hesitated with the thirdone, but that just shows you
we're putting a little bit ofthought into it.
Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Thanks y'all.
Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
This has been wonderful, thank you.
I remember I had this client longtime client and she
was a writer and to her writingwas natural, easy.
She loved to do it.
It was just like that was hertruth of who she was and how she
saw herself in the world.
And she would say, oh, I've gotto do this and this and this
and this.
And then there's you know, Ihave a bunch of writing to do,
(00:31):
but that's easy.
And I would always stop her andbe like Dawn, that's awesome,
that it's easy for you, and justreally realize that there are a
thousand other people on theplanet today that need to write
something, who are frozen infear because it is not easy for
them.
So and I only say that, so youreally.
(00:51):
So don't discount it, celebrateit, yay.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Hello and welcome to another edition of For the Love
of Creatives podcast.
I'm your host, dwight, I'mjoined by our fabulous co-host,
maddox, and today we are joinedby our featured guest, jill
Allison Bryan.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Hey, Jill, Hi, thanks so much for having me y'all.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
We're so glad that you can be here.
It's been a little while sincewe've actually known you.
I believe that we actually metat a creatives event at a local
artist space in Deep Ellum inJuly of 23.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
You are correct, sir.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
How time flies, doesn't it?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Oh yeah, when you just said two years, I was like
wait, what Two years?
No, we just met recently.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
It seems that way, doesn't it?
But July will make two yearssince that event.
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Well, and it's interesting how, with that time
flying so rapidly, I know thatwe've been in and out of the
same events We've seen, we'vebeen in the same places at the
same time, but we've neverreally had a chance to sit down,
so this is going to be a greatopportunity for us to get to
know each other.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, we can kind of dive deep today.
Yes, the quick hellos andgoodbyes, yeah, yeah, love it.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Well, in preparation for this, my neurodivergent
tendencies just got reallycurious and I saw that you have
quite a story to tell.
I know that you did some timecopywriting in Nashville.
I know that you got to go andspend some time on a yacht in
the Virgin Islands and let mejust interject.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I worked on that yacht.
That sounds very luxurious theway you said it.
Like I went and spent some timeon my yacht for a while, but I
was actually the stewardess,meaning I waited on everybody,
made the beds and scrubbed theheads.
So I mean there was fun, it wasfun to be had.
But I just want to put areality lens on the experience.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Very important Life of the rich and famous huh.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
No, it was more like everybody.
When they find out that Iworked on a sailing yacht, a
cruising sailing yacht, they'relike, oh, like.
What's it called Under Deck?
Or there's some TV show out,that's a reality show.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Lower Deck.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Lower Deck, yeah, and I'm like maybe, so that's
probably it Closer to the truth.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Well, and I and I think I don't know if the the
Nashville influence had anythingto do with it, but when you
returned to Dallas, I know thatyou were also a singer
songwriter- yeah, you know,what's so interesting about that
is actually the singersongwriter part came before.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
It was kind of a thread all the way through.
So loved music, singing, acting, dancing, everything from the
time through.
So loved music, singing, acting, dancing, everything from the
time I was little and I guess itwas.
You know, I was in plays, I wasin choir, I did all that kind
of stuff in high school and Ihad an experience in college
that I think is really familiarMaybe it will be to y'all, I
(04:21):
don't know Certainly with a lotof the people that I have worked
with and met over the years ascreatives.
Where I had a dream or a desireto for mine, for myself, it was
to major in theater in collegedown, you know, my dad was like,
(04:47):
well, that's not very practical, you can, you know, why don't
you minor in theater and majorin something more practical?
And here's an interesting fact.
So I used to tell that storyand believe that story.
It's so interesting, right,what we think about the stories
that we've told ourselves ourwhole life that, yeah, I was
going to do that.
And then my dad said no, and soI, I didn't, and I cut my nose
off to spite my own face.
And you know, I ended upadvertising journalism major
(05:09):
with a double minor in Spanishbecause I loved Spanish and
business practical.
What I realize now, all theseyears later and forgiveness to
my parents, you know was thatthey were doing their best
because they wanted me to besafe and secure, and that's what
they thought that they weresetting me up to.
And, truth be told, if I hadhad the conviction and the
(05:31):
courage and the belief like thisis what I'm going to do, no
matter what I would have toldthem to lump it, as much as I
loved them and said you know I'mgoing to New York or whatever,
whatever, like many people do.
So I've kind of owned my part ofthat story in my older, wiser
years than I used to.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
That's beautiful Jail , that's really an incredible
like full circle thing.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, and I don't know if y'all ever had anything
like like you know, I don't know.
You just look back and youreally realize that my whole
life I've been telling myselfthis and it was kind of let
myself off the hook.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
As I see it now, you know, I do have something that I
, something very not not thathad to do with my parents, but
something I told myself for mywhole lifetime that I finally
freed myself of only about sevenor eight years ago, something
like that.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Very similar.
So again, with this age comessome wisdom, hopefully you know,
I think we do have things likethat.
So but what I did do when I wasin college that let me stay
connected to the performing wasI did perform with.
(06:50):
I usually had a partner thatwould play guitar or something
and that we would sing and I wasusually an acoustic duo kind of
situations.
And it is funny and just acoincidence, that my first grown
up job in you know, out ofcollege, was at this advertising
agency, which was then thebiggest advertising agency in
Nashville.
It's defunct now but that'swhat had me moved to Nashville
(07:15):
and I did have the thought inthe back of my mind I'm going to
Nashville and you know I'm asinger, songwriter too, so maybe
I can get some of that going on.
Even the late.
The family that owned theadvertising agency that I worked
for, they were like such heavyhitters in Nashville.
They were people that wereinvolved with the Opryland,
opryland Hotel, the Grand OldOpry, like they were royalty in
(07:36):
that.
And yet it's so funny, evenonce I got there I really kind
of focused on my advertisingcopywriting career and only had
time and energy really to dabblein music.
So it's funny, it was very Iwas gonna say circuitous I don't
know if that's the correct wordor not, but like for me to have
gone to Nashville, done alittle bit of music, but not
(07:58):
really too much, go all the wayto the Caribbean and then come
back to Dallas, and that's whenI started just performing on my
own as a singer, songwriter, meand a guitar.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
That's amazing, that's yeah, you've had some
interesting adventures.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yes, and some of them I could even talk about here.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Actually, you could probably talk about most of them
here.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Could and would are two different.
You're like, okay, after this,after the camera stops rolling,
we want to know what you'retalking about.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Exactly.
Inquiring minds want to knowWell.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I love the way that you have really kind of framed
that.
You've lived a life that isdefinitely not the the plain
boring path.
For sure that's found.
(09:10):
Our podcast would probablyreally love to know what your
first tendencies towardcreativity were, and I mean way
back when when you were just alittle girl.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Well, I mean, I was definitely singing into my
hairbrush, pretending like I wasCher.
My hairbrush pretending like Iwas Cher and really wanted to be
was very jealous of Chastity atthe time, who was, you know, at
that time.
They're on the show with them,a lot Like the Partridge family.
I like these on-air musicalfamilies and with kids too, with
(09:41):
people my age, it can happenLike I mean, I wanted that.
I also was a writer.
I wrote and thought I needed tohave my book published.
You know, I told my dad this isgoing to be a good book.
You should publish this book.
I was always in the plays.
So I really honestly and this isthe truth, I can't remember a
time I wasn't lit up by somesort of creative process and
(10:05):
really, like, I'm aself-described, unapologetic,
very joyful, multi-passionate,creative and what that means to
me is just, I like all thethings and don't make me choose.
I mean I think there's adifference between like, choose
for a little bit so you canfocus and follow through and
have some things that you'refocused on.
So we're not trying to do allthe things, spinning all the
(10:25):
plates and all of them breakingor not having time for any of it
to be done.
But yeah, I just I mean it'sinteresting because yeah, as a
kid loved all that kind of stuff.
As an adult, one of the thingsthat I realized, probably when I
worked with my first creativitycoach that was a light bulb
moment and I felt very freeingand heartening was that we don't
(10:50):
have to pigeonhole our creativeendeavors.
You know which?
I do think that our schoolsystem and our society, we just
want to pigeonhole people.
So it's easy to tell you arethe athlete, you are the
brainiac, you are the choir geek, like whatever right.
We just get put in those littleboxes real quick and it's
convenient for everybody.
(11:10):
But when I started working withmy coach and I started realizing
I can view everything in mylife through the lens of
creativity everything how I fixa sandwich, you know how I.
Obviously.
How I fix a sandwich, you knowhow I.
Obviously, how I dress, how Iaccessorize, what my home looks
like, the conversations I have,like everything can be seen
(11:32):
either as an opportunity toexpress ourselves creatively or
take in somebody else'screativity.
We need audiences and we needcommunity, as y'all know.
So, in order to have not onlycreative collaborations but just
like I want to soak in otherpeople's creativity you know
it's not all about what I'mproducing- I agree completely.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I know for me, and I've never thought of it too
much until we started havingthese kinds of conversations
with creatives.
But there is a big portion ofmy life with creatives.
But there is a big portion ofmy life, and it's mostly simple
stuff, where my creativity showsup in me solving some sort of a
problem, and some of it's justsilly stuff.
(12:16):
Like you know, the chipscontinue to get stale.
How can I fold the chip bagdown in a manner that they don't
get stale?
And that is truly creativity.
But we don't think of it likethat, of course, until we do
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Right.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Until the light bulb goes off and we went oh my God,
everything I do is creative.
You know, whether it's flushthe toilet or brush your teeth,
or everything I do is creative.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, and isn't it great that once you can't unring
that bell like once you, onceyou start to see things that way
, it's just like it's everywhere, it's, it's, it's and it's
contagious too.
I think it also really gives alot of.
I'm big on permission.
I feel like we have to giveourselves permission before we
will do anything, and I thinksome of the most heartening
(13:03):
interactions I've had withpeople who didn't think of
themselves as creative forprobably because the way they
were raised or whatever theywere told, or something like
that and then they're like oh,wait a minute, you're saying the
way that I dress or the waythat I decorate my house or
plant my garden is creative too.
(13:23):
That counts A hundred percentBecause the stereotype right is
can you paint, can you draw, canyou play an instrument.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I hate it.
Yeah, yeah, so many people.
I have so many friends that say, oh, no, not a creative bone in
my body and I'm watching themmake these fabulous home-cooked
meals or I'm watching them dosomething else, that I'm just
marveling at what they're doingand they don't get it.
Yeah, oh, I just do that.
That's not creative.
I don't do that.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Well, you know, the other thing about that, I think,
maddox, is when we do somethingwell or when we've done
something a long time, wediscount it.
So we're like, oh, that oldthing, you know the story or the
example that always comes to me.
That's so funny.
I remember I had this client,longtime client, and she was a
writer and to her writing wasnatural, easy.
(14:13):
She loved to do it.
It was just like that was hertruth of who she was and how she
saw herself in the world.
And she would say, oh, I've gotto do this and this and this
and this.
And then you know, I have abunch of writing to do, but
that's easy.
And I would always stop her andbe like Dawn, that's awesome
that it's easy for you, and justreally realize that there are a
(14:37):
thousand other people on theplanet today that need to write
something, who are frozen infear because it is not easy for
them.
So and I only say that, so youreally, so don't discount it,
celebrate it.
Yay, Writing is easy for me.
I love to write.
Writing energizes me.
We've got, we'll probably haveother problems to deal with, so
(14:58):
why borrow?
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Absolutely, dwight.
I'm realizing that we have thebenefit of knowing at least a
little bit about what Jill does,but our audience doesn't.
So let's give you a minute Jillto just.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I am a creativity coach, a master creativity coach
and the founder of CreativeOasis Coaching, which I opened
(15:31):
in 2008.
So it's been a minute that Ihave been doing this and
basically, I help creativepeople to get out of their own
way, to take the ideas that arewhirling around in their minds
and, you know, move past theblocks of procrastination,
(15:52):
perfectionism, overwhelm innercritic voices and really get
clear on what it is they want toshare creatively with the world
, whether professionally orpersonally, and then help them
to do that.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
I love that, and that begs an immediate question what
was the one thing that you hadto help yourself get beyond that
?
You know, getting you out ofyour own way.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
This is going to sound like a setup, but it's the
truth.
I worked with the creativitycoach, but I'll I'll tell you
that.
I'll tell you the little likesnapshot of it.
So you're familiar with theartist's way.
Yes, julia Cameron's, theartist's way, right?
So the the joke or the, not thejoke, but the like.
The norm for the artist's wayfor so many of us, I think, is
like I've meet people and belike do you, oh, the artist's
(16:43):
way?
I own it, you know like, or ohthe artist's way.
I read the first three chaptersand I just found I just find
that it's like it's a lot of youknow, you really dig in the
dirt and you really do a lot ofwork if you go through all the
way through the artist's way.
So, like many people, I owned acopy of the artist's way.
I was super drawn to it.
I felt like it had things totell me and to teach me and I
(17:05):
was excited to do it.
But I can never make it throughit by myself.
And then I joined a group whichis so helpful to go through it
with, and it was like a I can'tremember now, at least a 12, 14,
16 week program, cause we dideach chapter you know week at a
time program.
(17:26):
Because we did each chapter,you know, week at a time.
Interestingly, I think therewere 10 of us when we first
started only four finished.
So again, you have to.
I mean you have to want to dothe work and be there.
But it was after we had finishedthat going through the artist's
way together and I had elicitedlike all of these next chapter
ideas for myself that I wasreally excited about and the
group was going to go ontogether and do another book of
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Julia Cameron's called Bane ofGold, and I was like that sounds
good.
But also, remember, this is2007 or so.
So I just started to hear aboutlife coaches.
It was like relatively new tome anyway, and I was like I
think maybe I want to work witha life coach.
Do you know of a life coach?
I asked one of the teachers ofthe Artist's Way group that I
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was in and she said, well, notspecifically, but check out this
woman.
She calls herself a creativitycoach and I just got like chills
.
And then I went on to herwebsite and I saw her.
You know, do you have so manyideas but you don't know what to
do?
Do you suffer withprocrastination and
perfectionism?
I was just reading and checkingall the boxes and then I felt
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like a choir of angels was goingoh, this is what you're
supposed to do next.
So it was Jill Bonansky.
She's a creativity coach and itwas.
I started working with herhonestly and that's how I was
able to, I would say, get backto myself as a creative, because
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at that time I was married andI had a young child, and so I
had.
Really I was at one of thosecrossroads that we come to in
life where I had looked up andwas like where'd Jill go?
Where did Jill, who moved tothe Nashville and moved to the
Caribbean and was a singer,songwriter and did all of these
wonderful things you know,exciting, adventurous things and
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did all of these wonderfulthings you know, exciting,
adventurous things?
She'd kind of gotten lost, andso, working with Jill, I really
not only found that spark inmyself again, but was really
able to harness it and do athing that I hadn't done in
earnest ever, which was reallydial into my singer, songwriter
self and start performing aroundtown again, this time with
keyboards, started writing andsinging and then made a dream
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come true, which was to writeand produce a solo CD.
Now I had sung on a lot ofpeople's CDs, I had been in a
band with other people, but todo my own was a big dream, and
so that was kind of my.
I consider that and the CDrelease as my thesis, as a
creativity coach.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Nice.
Now was that the infinitepossibilities.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
It was you did do your homework and research,
that's right.
Infinite possibilities, a nightof music, art and women helping
women.
And, oh my gosh, I'm justrealizing I'm coming up this
week on the 15th yearanniversary of that.
I mean, I realized it before,but I forgot until this moment.
But yeah, so 15 years ago.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Wow, we kind of had parallel stories.
My first experience with theLife Coach was in 2006.
It was not a creativity coach,it's a life coach.
And then 2008, I got my firstwas in 2006.
It was not a creativity coach,just a life coach.
And then 2008, I got my firstcertification in coaching.
I mean, as soon as I saw whatshe could do, I was like, oh my
God.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Right, yeah, it's like you see behind the curtain
and you're like, oh, I can helppeople do that.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Well, I had been a hairdresser forever and realized
that my clients were coming inand telling me all their woes
and I had been standing behindthe chair having these
conversations with them anddidn't know that that was a
thing you know, didn't know thatthere was a name for it or that
you actually could get paid forit.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Right, yeah, we were double dipping when we were
getting our hair cut and gettingcoaching at the same time.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Oh, yes, you know, and I love that, you know.
I just to me, it was just partof the service.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
You know, I just freely gave it away along with
their haircut.
And I would even have clientssay you know, I love the way you
cut my hair, but I come for thecoaching.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Well, there you go, that's great.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, we do have a similar past, then Interesting
yeah it's interesting, my firstexposure to coaching actually
came by way of well, it wassomething that I was going
through as a result of grievingthe loss of my partner of 20
years who passed away due tocomplications from advanced
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liver failure.
I had been seeing a, I'd beenseeing a psychologist and we
were we were able to makeprogress as, as could be the
best that could be expected,with how unpredictable grief can
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be, with the things thattrigger it.
That helped me to find a pathto explore who I really was and
what I really needed, because,after being in an intense
caregiving situation for acouple of years, I had
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completely gotten lost and itwas an affirming and healing
thing for me.
An affirming and healing thingfor me I could see progress that
was being made almost on adaily basis, like it was like
this opening up.
That was incredible and, uh, Iwent from being in a state that
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it was kind of like death for meto uh, to kind of turning the
page and being open topossibilities and actually
wanting to embrace what wascoming next.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, that's huge.
Oh, I'm so grateful that youfound the person and the methods
to help you with that.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
You know, I've come to believe that that's a rite of
passage for humans, I think.
I think we have to go through aperiod where we get lost so we
can find ourselves.
I don't know very many peoplethat, if they're going to be
honest, wouldn't say yes atleast once, and maybe multiple
times.
I've been completely lost in mylife.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yes, yeah, I agree if they're being honest, because
otherwise the path is too muchlike the path that we're
supposed to be on, that somebodyelse wants us to be on or we
seem to be on.
But, yeah, I think you're right, maddox.
And so you were saying, dwight,then that really for you, that
healing and that being able tocome out the other side and
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embrace life again and see whatwas waiting for you, came from
working with a coach.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, yeah, I think.
Actually I think coaching andtherapy work beautifully
together, like I think they can,you know, lift each other up.
They're not, they don't have tobe mutually exclusive and
they're doing two differentthings a lot of time.
But I have had people say to melongtime clients say that they
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got, they feel like they hadmore actual movement in the
direction they wanted to be withcoaching.
Now, again, that depends, right.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
That's been my experience.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Mine as well.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Years of therapy earlier in my life, up until
maybe about seven or eight yearsago, and then coaching from
2006, until I still from time totime check in with a coach or
have a coach for a very.
You know I've had multiplebecause they all serve different
purposes, but it moved theneedle way more than therapy for
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me.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Now, coaching isn't designed to deal with trauma.
No, no trauma recovery.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
There are trauma coaches, but that's yeah, but
I'd want to make sure that youwere really coaches, but that's
yeah, but that they I'd want tomake sure that you were really
that was your speciality and youreally knew what you were.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
A lot of times those are therapists that have crossed
over into coaching.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Lately.
Yeah, I've met also medicaldoctors, a lot of people.
I think people are seeing thevalue.
I mean, honestly, if I had themagic wand that we're all that,
we all kind of wish we had tohelp the world in all the ways,
like if everybody could have acoach.
The other thing about coachingright is like such a different
relationship than even a very,very well-meaning friend or
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family member.
Right, there's just they knowyou in a different way and even
if they're an open-heartedperson that wants the best for
you, they can't have that samenonjudgmental kind of
perspective that that a coachcan have.
And even even that differencebetween coaching and therapy I
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think is like the dogma is notthere more, tuning you back into
yourself, introducing you toquestions in ways that you can
trust yourself and your ownanswers and how you want to be
in the world.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Coaching always feels like more of a two-way street
to me than therapy.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah especially the therapy where nobody's talking
except for you.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I didn't know anything about the therapist
Right.
They knew all about me.
I didn't know anything aboutthe therapist, you know, they
knew all about me.
I didn't know anything aboutthem.
And I have a tendency when I'mcoaching to share deeply
personal stories if it'srelevant to something that
they're going through, andthat's where that two way.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Right.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I mean I've anybody that I coach, I get close to to
the degree at some point in ourrelationship.
I'm telling them that I lovethem.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
You know, of course I did that with my hair clients
as well.
You know it.
Just they become.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
I can see that.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
They become family.
You know, they really do.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah, yeah, not surprising.
Well, I'm really curious as towhat of young, young Jill for
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having the inclination and thenhaving the courage to do it,
because I guess the idea wasreally sparked First my dad.
At that point in time my dadhad a little sailboat, like a
sunfishy kind of sailboat thathe did some, you know, around in
Arlington and then he foundthese those bare boat, bare boat
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charter kind of situation soyou can go down and get if you
have a captain's license and youcan sail the boat around the
Caribbean.
So he had done that a couple oftimes with friends and really
loved it.
And so I went down with mybrother and my mom and dad and a
boyfriend I was dating at thetime and that was my first
introduction to really bigsailing, like open water sailing
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like that and the Caribbean,and I was like this is amazing,
this is beautiful, how fun.
Came home to Nashville where Iwas copywriting and there was
this beautiful four color printad campaign that came out for
the US Virgin Islands and Iremember there was a double
spread of St John's, just like apalm tree in the sandy beach,
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and I stuck it up on my bulletinboard in my office and I just
kind of moon over it every day,like, oh, that was so great,
that's wonderful.
And then you know, I just Ican't remember exactly what put
the thought in my head Well, youcould move there.
What?
What if I think I had gonethrough a breakup and I just
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kind of was thinking to myselfwell, you've done all the things
you're supposed to do.
You graduated from high school,then you graduated from college
, then you went and got a job inyour degree.
That was your, your, you know,your practical degree.
That wasn't theater, so youshowed, you did that and you
know you're doing pretty wellhere.
But you don't have any otherreal time like now's the time
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right?
Like if you want to dosomething.
Pulling up stakes, as you say,isn't that hard when you're 20,
something you didn't have, I,basically.
So I I moved in with a friend ofmine, roger, who was amazing.
He let me live with him for hebought my piano.
We lived together for likethree months while I sold
everything I owned and savedextra money, and then I just got
a duffel bag in my guitar and Iwent down there and the funny
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thing was was that ended upbeing a situation that I never
would have thought.
I didn't even know I was goingto work on a boat.
I just was moving to theCaribbean, y'all.
I was just like I'll figure itout, I can wait tables or
bartend for sure.
And that's what I did for likethe first three weeks or four
weeks.
And then all my friends Istarted meeting down there that
had money, they were working onthe charter boats.
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I was like, oh, hold on.
Since I didn't have anyexperience, I just wrote a funny
kind of rhyming pretend resume,almost basically saying I'll
sing for my supper, I'll, youknow, I'll make the beds
whatever.
And I put them in all thecaptain's boxes and I got an
interview and I got hired andthen I went to move on.
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I lived on the boat.
So what ended up happening wasI sent money home, I saved money
.
It was so weird because I hadno bills.
My food was paid for, mylodging was paid for, we were
paid pretty darn well when wehad charters, and so I got to
see all this part of theCaribbean that I thought at the
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time and I was correct I wouldnever see as much of again,
because we went all the way fromthe US Virgin Islands to the
British Virgin Islands, stMartin, st Kitts, all the way
down to Antigua many times backand forth.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
I love that area, all of that.
I've been to multiple locationsover my lifetime and I love
every ounce of it.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, oh, I miss it.
I haven't been in a long time.
I say I miss it.
I haven't been in a long timeand it's been through, you know,
a hurricane or two since I'vebeen down there.
But yeah, I just, you know, Ithink I had that wiser than my
years.
You know, I didn't realizereally at the time, I just had
the thought now, if not now,then when?
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And I think, but without thepressure, if not now, then when?
And I think, but without thepressure, you know, because I
was 25, so I was invincible atthat point in some ways.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
But yeah, I was glad that I did that and had that
experience.
Yeah, I think that one thoughtis the real wisdom.
You know, if not now, when?
Oh?
Speaker 1 (32:06):
and that's true.
Now, right, I think that's trueat every crossroads we come to,
and maybe not pressure-y, butespecially now, like I think it
becomes more clear with everypassing year that you know I've
got less time on that end thanthat end, and rather than let
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that be a fear-inducing kind ofenergy for me.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
I want it to be a Motivating and spiraling.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yeah, let's go yeah, and if not now, when really?
And the truth of the matter is,you know, we never know.
I think the one it didn't turnout the way I kept hoping that
COVID would be the thing thateverybody would walk away from
going.
Oh yeah, now I get it.
Like tomorrow's not promisedfor real, like it can, the whole
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world can shut down in amonth's time, you know, and
nobody was expecting that.
Think that, if we can, if we cantap into that or remember that
without it being totally fueledby fear, but more, just like
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this is it.
We've got this go around, atleast in this particular suit, I
don't know.
And and let's, let's go for it.
Trust has a lot to do with it,I think, like trusting ourselves
, trusting that it's going to beokay, and then, of course, that
you know what, what your lifewas up until the point you're
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making.
That decision has a greatbearing on on that trust, right,
whether or not you're able totrust that.
Have you been in situations inthe past where you could trust
and that kind of thing?
So?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
yeah, I, I think it's fabulous that you had the
wisdom to, to go and seize thatmoment.
And just hearing all of thewonderful things, the wonderful
adventures that you have takenpart in it begs the, the
question, you know, and it'sreally it's harder to uh
(34:14):
appreciate the, the masterpiecethat is your life, when you're
so close to it.
But what is it that you aremost proud of?
What is your, your crowningachievement?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Oh, my goodness.
Um also, I just want to writedown what you just said the
masterpiece that is your life.
I'm like that's a lovely,lovely way to look at it and it
really does.
I mean, I will say it goes backto what I was saying before.
I think I do think of my lifeas my canvas.
I like masterpiece even better.
If it's going to be a canvas,let's make it a masterpiece.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
If you don't walk away with anything else, you got
that today right.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
That's it.
Yeah, I've upgraded my lifecanvas to masterpiece in motion.
So, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, Imean, I guess I mean truthfully,
as far as just creation mydaughter is definitely my, you
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know, number one kind ofcreation, right, I think about
it in that way very often, butyeah, that's still kind of
mind-blowing to me that's reallypulling some meaning up right
now and I can feel it, yeah,yeah, just, that you uh
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literally create another humanbeing.
I mean, like, I know people doit every day.
It's like la, la, people do it,that's how we propagate the
earth, whatever.
But still, and then there's,you know, I mean familial and
friendship bonds are just youknow, it's a different level.
But so so my daughter, um,because I would feel remiss if I
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put anything else of her then,if we're talking like practical
in the practical world, probablymy CD and CD release, because
the CD release itself happenedafter I did have my, I'd earned
my certification and startedcreative, the early, early baby
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stages of creative oasiscoaching.
But I already, you know, as acreativity coach.
My thought was well, jill, youcan't just go to some bar, smoky
bar and deep bellum and hawkyour CDs and play, you know,
like you can.
What else can you do?
Like, let's think bigger, let'smake it more creative and let's
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also y'all will understand thislet's not make it just about
you.
How can we find a way to makethis CD release which is
ostensibly about you and your CD, not just about you?
And what I came up with was Ido have a lot of talented artist
friends.
Even back then I had a lot oftalented artists, friends and
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female.
So I had just found Women forWomen International.
Are you familiar with thatorganization that helps women in
war-torn countries viaeducation, medical.
It's a wonderful sponsorshipprogram.
It's just super vibrant andhuge now I'm sure.
But anyway, I had just startedsponsoring women through that
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and I thought, well, if I cantie it to that some way, that
would be great.
And then there were 13 songs onthe CD.
So I invited 13 female artiststo each make something inspired
by one of the 13 songs andcontribute that for a silent art
auction.
I put I got sponsors.
I mean, it was a big, like sixto nine month project to get
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this CD release going.
I had a lot of help.
I had a lot of people raisetheir hand to say this sounds
great.
How can I help the artists whocontributed?
We made videos of each of theartists talking about their
piece and how they did it,because also, some of these
artists at that time theyweren't thinking of them.
So they knew they could paint,they knew where they were
artists, but they wouldn't havesaid that in the world
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necessarily.
And here was a video.
Here was a video that was goingon a website telling the world
oh no, but you are, because lookhere, here you are and you are
talking about this art thatyou've made for this.
So so we had the silent artauction.
I performed the entirety of the13 songs with the band.
We had a raffle and thesponsorship and a really
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wonderful evening in the designdistrict at a cool, cool place
that doesn't exist anymore.
It was a little bit like thebest I can describe.
It was like Alice in Wonderlandon acid.
It had really oversizedfurniture that was painted kind
of whimsically and a little bitMad Hattery, so that was awesome
.
And then, after all was saidand done, it was a heck of a
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party and we ended up raising,after everything was paid for,
so profit, over $10,000 forwomen for Women International
and awareness, because I talkedabout it a lot as well.
So the artists got their bravasand their, you know, being
shared with the world as well asWomen for Women International,
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and that's how I got my CD out,you know, and it felt I was more
energized and I think y'allunderstand that to do it in that
way, because it wasn't allabout me and the cd but geez,
pretty dang creative you know, Imean really, really thinking
way over here, out of the box.
I love it yeah, that, and like Isay, I feel like that was my, I
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think it came right about thetime, right like that was what
happened right after I'd earnedmy certification, and I always
think of it as like if mycertification was a master's
program, that would have been mythesis, that infinite
possibilities event, that'swonderful.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
So Jill in your coaching with clients.
What is the thing, the aspectof it that you just love the
most, your favorite part of it?
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Them.
I mean, you know, just seeingpeople, I mean, I think what I'm
here I heard a little bit ofthis from y'all as well.
The desire to become a coachwas because of our wonderful
experience as coachees, as beingcoached right Like you're like
when you see what's possible,you want that for other people,
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you don't want to sit on it.
You want everyone yeah Like youhave a cure for something and
you're like, no, but really thisis, this is great.
I mean, if it's aligned right,if they want it and you can't.
It's just like you can't tellsomebody they need to go to AA
or they need to go to WeightWatchers or something like that.
They have to want it.
You don't tell people they needcoaching, but when somebody
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really wants it and they'rethere for it and you have the
empathy of knowing what it'slike to want a thing, to want to
create a thing or share, put athing in the world and keep
stopping yourself for one fearor something and you don't even
know what it is sometimes and tobe able to help them see what
it is, get clear especially forthe multi-passionates who have a
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million ideas to get clear onwhat they want to do next and
then focus and follow throughand make it happen and have that
satisfaction.
Wonderful to see other peopleexperiencing that and knowing
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how great it feels.
You know and and what like itwasn't lost.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
It could have just known you had a role in it.
All right, they had a bigbreakthrough and and you had a
role in it I feel like.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
I mean, I do feel like the word call, like I feel
like this is what I'm supposedto be doing, like I have no,
there's no like, hmm, but Iwonder.
I mean, there's still othercreative projects that I may or
may not get to do in my timeleft on the earth.
But this right, the, thecoaching, this is definitely
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what I'm meant to do, and and,and I think we'll do it.
It obviously lights you up andI think we'll do it obviously
lights you up.
It does energize me.
I also have to say part of oneof the things I love about it is
I coach both one-on-one andsmall groups, but I offer these
sessions three times a week thateverybody gets to come to
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one-on-one clients and the group, so everybody gets a chance to
be in community, even if they'repreferred to be coached
one-on-one and usually they lovethat most love that as well.
And it's just this.
You know, the cliche is truefor a reason, but a rising tide
lifts all boats.
So seeing people learning fromeach other, having aha moment,
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or somebody stumbling and beingsupported, somebody winning and
being supported, it's just.
It's so much easier than doingthings in a vacuum, right, when
we've got other people.
And sometimes it's easier tosee the lesson when somebody
else does it.
Like you said, it's hard to seeourselves.
Sometimes you know like, oh,that thing that you're doing I
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can now I see how I'm doing ittoo, and oh, and your course
correcting, beautifully, I thinkI'll do what you're doing, you
know.
So, yeah, I love that part ofit.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
I love the rising boats quote.
I think the first time I everheard that was perhaps one, I
don't remember which one now oneof the board members for the
Dallas Galleries for Advocacy.
Yes, and it had an impact onboth Dwight and I.
We were together when we heardit and now we say it all the
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time.
I put it in some of my writing.
It's on webpages of oursbecause, you know, it just says
it in a way that I can't thinkof a better way to say it.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yeah, agreed, yeah.
Some of those cliches arearound and used all the time for
a reason that's right Our braingets it really quickly.
I mean also I think it's true,you know putting the oxygen mask
on yourself first.
I know that one is used a lot,but it you're like get it so
quickly?
Yeah, and people tend not to soyeah.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Well, you got a chance to really go out there
with your your thesis project.
It was an exercise in bringingtogether creative community
creatively and you have beenengaged with with Creative
Mornings.
You were actually ourintroduction to Creative
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Mornings.
I love that.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
And I don't know if you know this, but you know that
my first time was when youspoke, but I haven't missed a
single meeting since then.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
I do know that I love that too.
It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
I've been there every and I invite.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
And you've brought people and yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
This past Friday I had invited 10 people.
I think one came, but I invited10.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah, we are believers.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Yeah, I know We've all sipped of the Kool-Aid and
are very much in the yeah forsure, I love creative mornings
and creative community is verymuch what we are all about.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Yeah, and I'm I'm really curious about how, with
all of the ways that you havebeen involved, all of the
creative communities that you'veseen in and around the town,
what patterns have you noticedin how successful creative
communities operate?
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Well, I think I mean there's a real spirit of giving
right.
Like so Creative Mornings.
I had already been going to thein-person live once a month
meetings for a couple yearsbefore, a few years before COVID
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, and even that I was like wow,like this is a pretty amazing
thing to offer every month,month after month, a beautiful
space, a speaker, deliciousbreakfast and coffee and cool
people.
Like wow, you know, that's verygenerous, very expansive.
(46:28):
And then when the lockdownhappened and they started
offering virtual field trips asa way to again anything like
connect people, offer some hope,offer something to do while
you're at home, that kind ofthing, and I raised my hand
(46:48):
immediately and I think I wasone of the first 10 or 12 people
to do a field trip.
And now I've done dozens.
But again, there's this they'refree.
I mean we have sponsors andeverything.
Obviously it's like it'srunning in some.
It's not magic.
I mean it's also sponsors atthis point that care about it,
but a lot of volunteers amazingvolunteers as well but just that
(47:11):
feeling of yeah, like do youwant to learn about this, do you
want to learn about that?
And you could be in a room avirtual room, but a virtual room
with people from all around theworld, all around the world and
learning about the same thingor having the same experience or
trying a new technique or funthing together, and I just I
(47:34):
love that piece of it, that kindof Supportiveness.
And I don't know if you all arefamiliar with the Creative Arts
Center of Dallas.
I don't know if y'all arefamiliar with the Creative Arts
Center of Dallas.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I teach ahandful of.
I've like four to six workshopsthere a year three to four,
just depends on the year, but Ihave for again over a decade and
(47:56):
I think a place like that atits best are when people are
supporting each other, right, orwhen we open.
They just opened their doorsand had their first art market.
That was open.
It wasn't just teachers andstudents, I think.
They opened tables up for othervendors to come in and sell
their creative goods.
(48:16):
And that's not what the CAC doesnormally.
It's normally all about classesand workshops.
But, you know, giving creativesa place to be and connect and
show their stuff.
I mean, the Creative ArtsCenter is in a cool wrong
(48:37):
pointing over there, a cool oldbuilding that was like a 50s
elementary school building orsomething and they did a little
renovation a couple years ago.
So there's this small but nicelittle gallery space and they've
been hosting openings andgallery um shows for artists
that may not may not get to havethem at other places.
So I think, opportunity likeopportunity for people to say
(49:00):
this is what I'm doing, you know, as a creative in the world and
and um, you know in person oronline.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
But I have a mentor that said to us at one point
people come for thetransformation but they stay for
the people.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Yep, yep, and I think that's true.
Yeah, mean, and you never.
I mean for sure.
When I go to to a creativemornings meeting now I'm gonna
get the clint again, y'all.
What's happening?
Hormonal?
Um, when I go to a creativemornings meeting on any given
(49:43):
friday, I don't know who all'swell, I know y'all are going to
be there.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
You're pretty, pretty , pretty good site that we're
going to be there.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
Y'all are going to be there, but I don't know exactly
who's going to be there and Idon't know what the topic's
going to be about.
Or even if I kind of think Iknow I don't usually really know
, and it does, I always lookforward to it.
It doesn't matter.
I know I'm going to learnsomething.
I know I'm going to meetsomebody or get to reconnect
(50:14):
with somebody who's justsimpatico, who's just cool or
maybe who will challenge me.
But just like people, I want tobe around, you know, and I
think that's just so.
It's huge, there's just youknow.
Speaker 3 (50:24):
We have met some phenomenal people.
It's huge.
We have met some phenomenalpeople, and then those people
introduce us to other peoplethat may not even be involved in
Creative Mornings At this point.
We've just got this networkthing that is happening, a
network of people it's happening, where we're spending quite a
(50:45):
bit of time now in socialaspects that we're creating,
mostly aside from the businessand the events that we do, but
just little gatherings of peoplehere in the house that are well
during the pandemic.
One of the things I said was,when this is over, I'm going to
go back out into the streets andI'm going to do whatever it
takes to create an epic sociallife for myself, and I want my
(51:09):
house to be a social hub, and itis.
We have arrived.
We have an epic social life andthere is people coming to the
house you know frequently forgatherings and it's got to be
maybe one of the most fulfillingthings I've done in my entire
life.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
That's awesome, that's great.
Speaker 3 (51:30):
In fact, whether it's an event for the love of
creatives or it's a littlegathering here at the house that
we curate, I'm usually sopumped afterwards that I lose an
entire night of sleep.
We had friends here on Saturdaynight.
There were eight of us,including Dwight and I, so it
(51:51):
was very small, very intimate,and everybody split between nine
and 930.
And I laid awake until twoo'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
You sound like after a gig.
Like after a gig I'd be like Ican't go to bed now.
It's like Like I remember likeafter a gig I'd be like I can't
go to bed now.
It's like I got all thisadrenaline.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
Yeah, yeah, I.
I just.
It's like yeah, it's a sociallife that I paid dearly for
through the loss of sleep.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Yeah, yeah.
Our saving grace with thatgathering was that it was all
adults and everyone reallyenjoyed getting to bed at a
decent hour.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
Yeah, it's like going to shows now and you're like
wait what?
You're not going on until nineo'clock.
I don't know if I can.
I love the adult.
Start time Starts at seveno'clock.
You'll be in bed by 930.
Speaker 3 (52:43):
Yes, this gathering we started at six.
No-transcript.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
There you go, that's a good iteration.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
Well, this has been a fabulous hangout.
I'm so glad that we got achance to do this.
Thanks for the invitation.
I appreciate it.
Well, we can't let you gowithout getting into a round of
rapid fire questions for somerapid fire answers.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
So my brain works for the rapid fire and it's not
like deer in headlights.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
It'll be entertaining either way.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Yes, that's right, I'll think of it that way.
Thanks for that reframe, maddox.
Thanks for that reframe.
Maddox.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
So rapid fire.
Question number one yes.
What form of creativity do youengage in to relax?
Speaker 1 (53:53):
Ah, easy.
Visual journaling meaningcollage, mixed media, yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
Nice, all right.
Next question what creativechallenges will you next
overcome?
Speaker 1 (54:10):
I am dedicated to my.
My focus right now is it's newfor me, so there's a learning
curve, so there's a little bitof that kind of factor Like I
don't already know how to do thething, which, at my age, is
like wait what?
You know how to do all thethings you need to do so far.
So I'm learning a new way toshare my work in the world and
(54:33):
yeah, so there's going to be alot of growth around that and
I'm excited about that.
Like I don't want to get stayed, I don't want to just be like
you know, I know how to do this.
I'm going to keep doing it inthe same old way, but yeah, so I
guess it doesn't matter if Isay it.
Speaker 3 (54:53):
I'm saying it again You're describing a little bit
of a pivot.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
Well, no, it's not really a pivot to like.
The coaching is the same.
It's like how I'm going to putmyself out there.
So it's like really doublingdown and focusing on my YouTube
channel and sharing things likethat.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
So I mean, I've kind of toyed with podcast vlog this,
that, the other, for a whileand again, as a multi-passionate
, sometimes I'll just are youfamiliar with human design at
all?
Speaker 2 (55:22):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (55:23):
Taking us off in another direction, but
manifesting generator anyway.
So I respond well, like this.
So I.
This has been perfect for me.
You say something, you ask me aquestion, I respond like I'm a
responder.
And so some class that I took,or maybe one of my coaches, said
something about you don't haveto be on all the platforms all
the time at the same level, likewhat's the one that lights you
(55:44):
up or you think would light youup.
And I'm like same level, likewhat's the one that lights you
up or you think would light youup.
And I'm like I'm supercomfortable on on video.
I love to make videos and yetI'm not really utilizing that.
And then I just started goingdown the rabbit hole of what
about a YouTube channel?
And I was like I think that'sthe, my next thing I'm going to
try.
No, so it's not trying.
A new field of work Like the,the creative voices.
Coaching stays the same, butit's like how I'm getting it out
(56:07):
into the world in front of newpeople is going to be YouTube.
So we shall see.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
Love that.
I'm looking forward to it.
Thank you, we'll definitelymake sure to include some links.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
Oh, thanks, I appreciate that and it's also
like I'm very in beginner's mindand I'm very I need.
I am taking my own advice ofgood enough, like don't let
perfect be the enemy of the thedone, because otherwise no
videos are going out.
Speaker 3 (56:34):
Yeah, letting go of that perfectionism is like one
of the I.
I carried that for years.
And now just to let go of andlet things be what they are to,
to be able to say you know,we're going to record this
podcast episode and it's justgoing to be put up the way it is
.
That's right, you know, andthat there was so much freedom
(56:55):
in that.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
Yeah, oh, I bet yeah Because, and honestly, if I'm
being truthful, like probablyone of the main reasons I never
did start a podcast was not thispart.
Speaker 2 (57:06):
I love this part.
Speaker 1 (57:07):
Right, I can do this all day, but they're like, oh,
and then I'm going to have toedit it and this, that and the
other.
It was just like although I'mdoing some of that on YouTube
too, but it's just like, yeah,you have a choice, it doesn't
have to be perfect, it's goingto be fine.
I actually heard somebody saysomething that's really cool
(57:33):
that if you look back on yourearly whatever podcast episodes,
videos, songs, poetry, artwork,whatever it is and you think,
oh, cringy, yeah, great, becausethat's you've grown that's
right, that's all that means.
That's right, and you started,you didn't let the cringy keep
you from just starting andtrying.
Speaker 3 (57:47):
Yeah, I think it was 2021 or two that I did 55 or 53
Facebook Lives, one every weekfor 53 weeks, and the first few
the first one in particular washorrible.
It was so bad.
And then I started to get alittle bit of a groove, you know
(58:09):
, and then I took a little classthat helped me learn some tips
and techniques.
I had a formula to work withand by the time it all ended, I
was like light years beyondwhere I was when I had started.
And the same with the podcast.
This is my second podcast.
I did a podcast in 21 and 22 or22 and 23, something like that.
(58:37):
It was 80 episodes and therewas just this progression from
really starched anduncomfortable and not sure what
to say to just relaxing in.
And that's why I say, you know,to every guest just pretend
that we're sitting over a cup ofcoffee in a coffee shop having
a conversation, because that wasthe visualization that helped
(59:01):
me get to the point where Icould drop all of the weirdness
and just be me.
Speaker 2 (59:06):
Yeah, whatever that looked like it's funny that you
would say that, because Iremember when I was first
learning to engage on video,like I my, my tendency, my
default, is actually to be very,very flat, very much focusing
(59:27):
on the intelligence of the wordsthemselves and not really
leaning into all the other cues.
Speaker 3 (59:34):
You should do a brief demonstration for us, Dwight.
Speaker 2 (59:37):
No, I would not subject anyone to that because
it's horrifying.
It can be actually a littleoff-putting, but the first time
that I really saw Maddox leaninto what he had to do in order
for being able to convey therange of emotion on video, he
(01:00:00):
looked crazy to me.
It was just Well give her alittle overview.
It was just.
Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Well, give her a little overview.
So he comes in and I'mrecording a video and I'm
talking, I'm doing the wholething, and he thinks oh my God,
that is so weird, you can't,there's no way, that's going to
work, you know.
And then I ended the video andI played it back and he stood
here and he watched the video ofwhat he had just seen live
(01:00:25):
doing and he said that's not thesame video.
I said it is because no, itcouldn't be, cause I just saw
you just like doing really weirdstuff, and you're not doing any
of that weird stuff on thevideo.
Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
And I said that's the way it works.
Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
You have to be way more animated on video for it to
look normal when it's playedback.
Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Well, and in my experience in life, I actually
have to go through somethingthat is akin to that filter that
you're doing for video.
I really have to be mindful ofwhat it is, what the cues are
that I'm sending, and, as aresult, I've become more
sensitive to the cues thatpeople are putting out.
(01:01:09):
So it's it's been helpful.
Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Good, yeah, and it's such.
I think this is a very coolconcept with y'all doing it
together and yeah, and I lovethe laid back.
Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
Wow, we, we love the tag, the team tag thing or tag
team.
However, you say that.
Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
It took a little bit in the beginning for us to kind
of get a little bit of a flow.
We kind of tripped over eachother a little bit for the first
few episodes, and we still doevery once in a while.
Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
And the nice thing is , things don't have to be super
rigid, like the plan was to askthree rapid fire questions and
we went down a rabbit hole.
Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
but sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
No, no, but it's good .
It's good.
I think this is going to bequite fun for for anyone that
happens to watch or hear it.
Oh yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
No doubt.
Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
So the the last of the rapid fire questions is what
character from popular fictiondo you most identify with, and
why?
Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Oh, now there's the one.
Those other two were so easy.
Oh my gosh.
This is the part my brain ispopular fiction.
I'll tell you who I want, who Ilove.
Okay, that work.
I'll tell you who I wish myfairy godmothers were Frankie
(01:02:35):
and Grace Lily and Jane.
Fonda.
Actually, I love them as theircharacters and as their real
selves.
As their characters and astheir real selves, and if I
could just like live in thebeach house with them and their
wacky shenanigans and all that,I would just.
I don't know that I'd want tobe either one of either one of
(01:02:58):
them, but I would love to havethem for my like mentors or, you
know, gal pals.
Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Yeah, it's a pretty amazing show.
Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
I I haven't seen all of it and he's only seen a
little bit of it, but, um, it ispretty remarkable yeah, I don't
think they want to be themeither yeah, it's, yeah, I like,
I like, I guess her attitude,their attitudes of like, the
more you watch the show they dokind of like, if not now, when
(01:03:28):
they just do all kinds of thingsyou know.
Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Oh, they do.
They totally have.
I have no more fucks to giveattitude throughout that whole.
Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Well, that and I do think that that's again that's
one of the benefits of gettingyou know past 50 and up in our,
because it's like it becomestrue.
Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
Well, for a lot of people it does maybe not for
everybody, but I like that part.
I like that part a lot, whenyou really discover the beauty
of just being you, without allof the social mask and the
pretense and thinking thatyou've got to be a certain way
for people to like you.
Oh my gosh, talk about anexhale.
Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
Did you see that we all just took an exhale?
Yes, it made me want to take abreath Like, oh, that sounds
exhausting, just remembering orhearing you talk.
You know talking about it.
Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Been there, done that , no more of that please.
Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
So, yeah, good stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
This has been amazing , jill, thank you so much.
I mean, I think this definitelymakes me experience like a
connection to you that I didn'thave, because we just hadn't had
the opportunity to do this, yes, so thank you so much for this.
Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Thank you for the invitation.
I trusted you both implicitlybecause I was like, I'm just
going to do this, yes, so thankyou so much for this.
Thank you for the invitation.
Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
I trusted you both implicitly because I was like
I'm just going.
Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
We've got no script, we've got no questions
pre-planned, just going to havea convo.
Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
You've never been on a show where there was no plan,
huh.
Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Zero plan?
Probably not.
Probably, at least, like we'regoing to ask you a little
something about this, that orthe other.
Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
So yeah, Well, we just want to acknowledge you for
taking that leap of faith.
Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Also there's a bit of trust, like I didn't think you
guys were going to do anythingLike now's the point, except for
the rapid fire, and I didn'tsee that coming.
But that's okay, that's okay, Ihad my first answer came so
quickly and I'm like great,these are going to be a piece of
cake, well.
Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
I think you nailed them all.
You hesitated with the thirdone, but that just shows you
we're putting a little bit ofthought into it.
Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Thanks y'all.
Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
This has been wonderful, thank you.
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