November 17, 2025 • 71 mins
What if the most profound shift of your life arrived as a single instruction: turn around and face the amp? That’s the moment Sean Patrick Maher describes—when a wave of sound churned grief through his body and out into the open, setting him on a path from musician to creator to founder of SomAlive Technologies. We dive into how sound becomes touch, how intention becomes architecture, and how community brings the meaning that sustains both.
Sean Patrick unpacks the Z5, a vibroacoustic platform that lets you feel music as pressure and pulse. We talk about brainwave entrainment, nervous system regulation, and why altered states are not escape but precision tools for safety and release. He shares the practice of “future memories,” where a client’s own voice and words are recorded beforehand and woven into the session—so your subconscious hears a trusted frequency, not a generic affirmation. The result is a coherent experience that pairs science with art and coaching with somatics.
We also challenge a favorite self-help myth. Instead of stacking habits and chasing outcomes, Sean Patrick argues for subtraction: release resistance and the system reorganizes. Language matters here. “I want” keeps you wanting; “I am” invites you into being. From there, we zoom out to what actually fuels the work—community. Returning to Western Massachusetts reminded Sean Patrick that proximity to people who care isn’t a luxury; it’s regulation, purpose, and creative oxygen.
Expect a conversation that bridges creativity, trauma release, and practical spirituality. If you’re curious about vibroacoustics, brainwave entrainment, somatic therapy, and the psychology of change, this one threads them together with clarity and heart. Listen, reflect, and consider recording the sentence your future self would say—then let sound help your body believe it.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:34):
And it wasn't until I came back and visited some
friends and spent some time.
And I mean, I get back and I'minvited to three parties, and I
another friend's like, come overand perform music for this
contact improvisation jam.
And oh, by the way, I've gotthis project I'm working on.
Can you come help me with this?
This even, you know, just allthis, like right when I get
here, all this integration ofpeople, just you know, in this
(00:54):
these interactions.
And I realized how much itshifted how I felt, and it
opened up all this creativity.
I felt inspired again, you know.
And so for me, whether or notthat community is specifically
integrated with what I'm whatI'm working on, the fact that
(01:16):
they exist around me serves whatI'm working on because it gives
me the juice, it gives me themeaning almost.
Like I that the meaning has tobe about people, the people that
are important to me.
Hopefully, a family one day as agreater community, even.
But that is so crucial to me.
(01:37):
I can't do it without it.
And honestly, what's the point?
SPEAKER_00 (01:51):
Hello and welcome to another edition of For the Love
of Creatives podcast.
I am your co-host Dwight, joinedby co-host Maddox.
And today our featured guest isthe wonderful Sean Patrick
Mayer.
Welcome.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Great to be here.
SPEAKER_02 (02:09):
Great to have you, Sean Patrick.
So just you know, for theaudience's benefit, Sean Patrick
and I have known each other forYou're so good at this part.
January of 17.
Um, so it soon will be nineyears that we have known each
(02:33):
other.
We met through an organ, aglobal organization called the
Mankind Project, and we foundquick just friendship like that,
and we have kept up with eachother over the years and had
different forms ofrelationships.
Sean Patrick coached me for aperiod of time, and quite
wonderfully, I might add.
(02:54):
And um yeah, so um it we've beenleading up to this for almost
nine years, and here we it onlytook us nine years.
Only took us nine years.
So let's go, let's go ahead anduh actually I'm gonna give you a
moment to kind of tell theaudience who you are and what
(03:15):
you're about.
Just just a clip notes versionof you.
SPEAKER_01 (03:19):
Sure.
Um, condense who I am in theinfinite of what I and who I am,
and in a short intro, got it.
Okay, let's do it.
Um I guess um, yeah.
So my name is Sean PatrickMaher.
I am the founder and CEO of acompany called Somalive
Technologies um that is focusedon somatic sound therapy.
(03:43):
So we're using sound waves,vibroacoustics, and uh brainwave
entrainment to createexperiences of healing,
wellness, and transformation.
So that's the main focus of mylife um at this point.
And that's an accumulation andkind of an amalgamation of
everything that I've donepreviously, which is musician,
(04:05):
um, touring musician,facilitator, coach.
Um I've uh I was the foundingmember of two wellness centers,
and I um co-created a musicfestival, and I've just done a
lot of weird and interestingthings.
I think what I would sum upabout sort of who I am is I
(04:28):
guess I follow where I where myheart guides me, like where I
feel called, where I want to be,what inspires me.
And I stay pretty true to that.
And I live sort of a gypsy lifein a lot of ways.
Um yeah, that's that's maybelike a very quick 10,000-foot
(04:51):
view of what I'm doing in theworld.
SPEAKER_02 (04:53):
You do live a little bit of a gypsy life.
You have um I've lost count onthe number of places that you
have been for a period of time,moved to and stayed sometimes
for a little while and sometimesa little longer.
And um I I never know whereyou're gonna be when we jump on
a zoom.
SPEAKER_01 (05:11):
Yeah, you want to take a guess?
SPEAKER_02 (05:13):
Uh I don't have a clue.
Austin.
SPEAKER_01 (05:18):
Nope.
I was in Austin last week,though.
I am in I'm in westernMassachusetts right now.
I'm in a little cabin right bythe river.
My dear friends have thisbeautiful cabin here, and I'm
staying in this cabin and doingsome things around here.
But funny enough, I leave inabout a week for about two
months of travel andexperiences.
SPEAKER_02 (05:40):
You know what they say about lives of the rich and
famous.
SPEAKER_01 (05:44):
I don't know what they say, and I don't know what
that is.
When I tell people that I'mmoving around a lot and I'm kind
of nomadic, and you're like, oh,that's so cool.
And I'm like, wow, you just youknow, it's not as glamorous as
you might think, but it is, butit feels good to me.
It's it's kind of what well,it's it's also out of necessity.
(06:05):
It's kind of like just what'scalled of what I'm working on
right now and where I need tobe.
SPEAKER_02 (06:10):
Well, and the the the part of what you're doing
right now, the company and thesound stuff.
I mean, some of the stuff youlisted off at first glance may
not really sound all thatcreative, but I think everything
that you have done has beenextremely creative.
Like in your current role, youstarted off creating, literally
(06:33):
creating sound, am I right?
SPEAKER_01 (06:36):
Yeah, I mean, for most of my life I've been a
sound, what I've alwaysconsidered to be a sound artist.
Some people would call that amusician, but I have always
liked using sound as an abstractart form.
And so the same way a paintermight use abstract painting, I
like approaching sound and theexploration of sound, kind of
(06:57):
painting time with soundscapesand movements and quality and
texture.
I I think of sound in a texturalkind of place.
But yeah, I like that's kind ofwhere it all started, and then
it became an actual physicalproduct and then a methodology
and all these other things.
SPEAKER_02 (07:16):
Yeah, and and I don't really think musician
covers it too well.
It's sort of like, but it itjust it doesn't do what you do
justice.
SPEAKER_00 (07:25):
I don't well, and yeah, just from what you've
shared, there seems to be somany other layers because you
you uh stoma alive.
I mean what you've put togetheris using sound as one aspect of
of healing and of you knowallowing the the body to be
(07:45):
better able to do what it needsto do to to to um draw the
resources it needs for morecomplete healing.
SPEAKER_01 (07:54):
Yeah, well said, absolutely.
That's that's spot on.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (07:59):
Well, let's take a little memory walk back to the
beginning when you were just awee child.
What how did creativity show upin your life?
When did when did you kind ofhave this aha moment where you
knew you liked to make or createthings from nothing?
SPEAKER_01 (08:19):
It's really interesting.
I I don't really know, to behonest.
I I kind of had a I mean, Ithink any child, I think
children are incredibly creativeto begin with, just pretty much
across the board.
They're always so inventive andso curious and making up little
worlds.
I think I used to love playingwith my little army, army G.I.
(08:42):
Joe guys, the little plasticones that are you know static,
they don't move or anything.
And I'd create these wholeworlds, and then I upgraded to
the ones that had it all kind ofthe mobility.
And I used to create these likelittle storylines and these
explorations of these worlds andthese battles and things like
that.
So I remember doing some of thatas a kid, but I I think also um
(09:04):
I think I went through a bigphase where a lot of that kind
of got pressed down.
I think I went into a space of alot of fear, there was a lot of
like kind of chaos in myupbringing.
So the sense of safety to reallylike express in the fullness of
the creativity that wanted topour through, I think got kind
of pressed down a little bit umwithin me.
(09:25):
Like I chose a suppression.
And um, and then I I think it itwas really a few years later,
there was always like these bitsand pieces.
I would do, I would get reallyinto one little pathway for a
little while, but I didn'treally get into like creativity
in a really kind of direct androbust way.
(09:46):
I don't think that happeneduntil my early 20s, probably, is
when I started really.
I remember, I remember I wasdoing a ton of different types
of art.
I was doing photography andpainting and music and all this
stuff, and I and I was doingvideography and all this stuff,
and I realized at some pointthat I didn't want to be an
artist, I wanted to be acreator.
(10:07):
That was that was kind of theword that came through.
So I wanted to be a creator, andof course I didn't know what
that meant.
So so it was kind of a a processof me moving from the the
natural proclivity of creativitytowards you know the dip where
it didn't feel real available,and maybe I did other things
until it kind of resurfaced.
And I feel like once itresurfaced, it never went away,
(10:29):
it just changed forms.
SPEAKER_00 (10:33):
Sounds amazing.
Were there any particularawakenings that you had?
I mean, you you kind of markedyour 20s as being the point
where you were called back.
SPEAKER_03 (10:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:46):
Was there a particular story or yeah, yeah,
yeah, there's a story.
SPEAKER_01 (10:54):
Um, well, so to give a little context, so yeah, I had
a bit of a chaotic upbringingwhen I was 16-year-old, my
brother passed away.
So I was in a pretty bad placewithin myself.
I was didn't know how to managethat kind of grief, didn't know
what to do with it.
And I was getting really in abad way with drugs and things
(11:16):
like that.
And so there were there one ofthe times when it really emerged
was actually around the ninth,my 19th birthday.
I had gone to California to getaway from some space and some
things that I was getting toofar into.
So I went to California to livewith my dad for a little while.
And while I was there, I boughta bunch of music instruments and
(11:36):
a new mixer, mixing board, andthat was when I first started
producing music.
And I still have some of thosetracks, and every now and then
I'll listen back and be like,it's not, I mean, oof, but it's
not bad, you know, likeinteresting, terrible mix, but
interesting.
Um so when I came back fromthat, I started really
performing in bands, and I hadalready been performing in bands
(11:56):
a little bit, but I got reallyserious about it in my like
around 2021.
And you know, the thing thatkind of sent me on the journey
of the work that I'm doing rightnow happened about that time.
And that was uh, that was a I'llshare it quickly.
It was um I was perform well, Iwas I was in a still in a pretty
(12:17):
bad way.
I was going to college at thetime and I was playing in this
in this band, and I lit we had aband house.
We all lived in the housetogether, and the jam room, the
music room, was my room.
So I'd sleep on the floorbetween the kick drum and the
wall.
That was my like little, I'droll a little pad out, sleep for
the night, and then in themorning I'd roll it back up, put
it in the closet, and we'd havespace to make music.
(12:37):
And but I was like, I was havinga real rough time, and I
remember this this voiceeffectively, this woman's voice
coming through.
And she basically said, I I kindof liken it to the voice of God,
a form of God, an angel,something like that.
And she basically just said,You're gonna heal or you're
gonna die.
You know, if you, you know, it'schoice is yours, you get to do,
(12:57):
you know, there was no judgment.
She just said, It's up to you.
And for whatever reason, thatnight I decided I would heal,
not knowing what that meant.
And it was the next day we wereperforming a show, and and the
um the voice came back, and shesaid to turn around and face
your amplifier during while wewere playing music.
(13:19):
And I did, I turned around inthis one specific moment of this
one specific song, and uh I feltthe sound waves enter my body
and churn up a lot of grief andjust churn all these things
forward, and then when it got toabout my throat, it just burst
out of me and I just burst intotears and had no idea what had
(13:41):
happened to me.
But I went home that night andstarted to try to find out, and
that's when I discovered therewas this whole concept of using
sound as a healing modality, andso my creativity from that point
on sort of took a turn towardspurpose.
The creativity was up until thatpoint, it was just purely like
(14:04):
kind of whatever wants to bethere.
From that point on, there wasalways this, it was always like
through a lens of service ortransformation or you know,
evolving consciousness orsomething like that.
And so yeah, that's that's thatwas like probably the biggest
turning point of my life.
And then there were some othercrucial ones along the way, but
(14:24):
that one really took me on myjourney, like sent me on my
journey, rather.
SPEAKER_00 (14:29):
Well, you're fortunate to have such an
awakening moment.
I mean, something that profoundis is almost I'd say it's a
modern equivalent of what we seein in uh biblical stories.
I mean, you you got toexperience your own burning
bush.
SPEAKER_02 (14:50):
I'm I'm curious, Sean Patrick, because I I think
that I I can look back now andsee that my life started being
service to others as early as13, but I didn't have a language
for it.
Back then I couldn't have said,you know, oh, I'm I'm here to
(15:10):
have impact on the planet, orI'm I'm here to, you know, I
couldn't have said any of thosethings.
SPEAKER_01 (15:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (15:16):
But it was it was happening just naturally, you
know.
And I'm wondering for you, wasit, I mean, were you aware on
that conscious level back then,or is it like me in retrospect,
where you now realize, you know,you you were because that's a
very young age for anybody to befocused on service to others.
SPEAKER_01 (15:41):
Yeah, that you're absolutely right.
That is a very young age to dothat.
And I don't think I had theawareness of it.
It was the I think the closestthing to that is I started
having it was around that agewhere I started having people
say things like, I really liketalking to you, or you're really
nice to talk to.
Um, which is, I think, one of mycreative gifts is my ability to
(16:04):
have explorative conversationthat kind of draws things out of
people in a certain way.
Um, and it just comes fairlynatural to me.
So, but it but it certainlywasn't conscious.
I think I was too jammed uptrying to find my own place.
I think I I think I was too inthe like into the shadows of my
(16:24):
own ego trying to find its wayin this life to really know to
really even have a bead on theidea that that I was going to be
focused more on service.
I think that came later.
Um, and in fact, much later.
I think I think ultimately thatdidn't come until, you know,
even within a few years afterthat kind of awakening in my
(16:47):
early 20s.
SPEAKER_02 (16:48):
I must have had some little inkling though, because I
was telling Dwight a storyeither this morning or
yesterday, I don't rememberwhich now, about helping out in
the family business at age 13.
And my dad would say, Son, youcan't spend that much time with
every customer.
And I was like, But but daddy, Ican't not.
They need me.
You know, he didn't understand.
(17:09):
But they would they would theyI'm 13 and they would be telling
me like serious, laying seriousstuff on me.
The customers would.
Yeah, and and I was just tunedin and listening, and so I had
some kind of uh, you know, thisbecause I because I said, Daddy,
they need me.
I knew that it was yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (17:33):
It was there already, it was there already
for you.
Like you had that built in.
And I I would imagine that ifsomebody I would imagine maybe
my mother or somebody that knewme then would probably be able
to reflect something to me, butI don't think you know, part of
the question was how consciouswas it?
Um and that for for me wasn'tterribly conscious at the time.
SPEAKER_02 (17:56):
It's always fun to look back and at the things that
we were present for us, but wewere unconscious of.
SPEAKER_01 (18:05):
Absolutely.
I mean, I I actually like theidea that our greatest gifts are
so well, one of our greatestgifts generally is so simple or
so second nature for us, so soeven first nature for us that we
don't even see how powerful itis.
SPEAKER_02 (18:24):
We don't we don't see it as the gift that maybe
those around us see it.
Yeah, I always think though themagical part of it is when
you've been doing itunconsciously, and all of a
sudden you have that aha momentand it becomes conscious, and
now you're doing it withintention, and that's such a
(18:46):
powerful and magical moment.
You know, you've just beennaturally doing it, but now all
of a sudden it's like you'reaware and it puts it on a whole
different level in so many ways.
SPEAKER_01 (18:58):
I like that.
Yeah, yeah, that's absolutelyright.
That's absolutely right.
Yeah.
And I've been I've been kind ofdoing some of that lately,
trying to bring some of my work.
When I started building acurriculum for training people
how to do the processes that Ido with the Z5 and the
methodology, I it forced me tolook really closely at every
little detail and how detailedevery little thing that I do in
(19:19):
a session, and Z5 experiencesession is so specific and it's
so oriented in a certain way ina certain framework.
But once I started to unpack it,it's like, wow, so much to this.
And then I come across the partsthat are just so natural for me,
and it's like, well, how do Iteach this?
How do I teach somebodysomething that I didn't learn?
(19:40):
I call I had a gift and then Ihoned the gift, but I didn't
learn the gift, if that makesany sense.
SPEAKER_02 (19:47):
It makes perfect sense.
SPEAKER_00 (19:49):
Well, and you you have an opportunity to learn it
in ways that just weren't therefor you because I'm I'm pretty
sure that you're probably goingto go through some iterations
where as you cycle peoplethrough, you're going to
discover all of the differentways that you may need to relate
it to, you know, the way thatpeople are wired, you know.
(20:11):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02 (20:13):
Well, and and we teach what we most need to
learn.
So as you are teaching, you willI mean, I feel sometimes like I
grow more than the per than thestudent does.
I mean, I'm teaching and I'mgetting more out of it than they
are.
SPEAKER_03 (20:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (20:28):
You know, one of the things that I I we have this
conversation frequently, how II'll be going into some type of
tutorial, whether it's a videoor it's a written tutorial or
something that is a how-to.
And and how I'll read it andI'll go, wow, this was written
(20:49):
by somebody who already knew howto do it.
And they didn't write it forpeople that don't know how to do
it.
They wrote it for people withwho would know how to.
And it's like that's not aconscious thing.
They don't do thatintentionally.
But, you know, it's like beingin a room of people that have a
certain jargon, whether it'scoaching jargon or or
(21:12):
psychiatry, psychology jargon,or or you know, 12-step program
jargon.
And we just expect people aregoing to understand what we're
talking about, and to them,we're talking a foreign
language.
So I guess, you know, my myinput would be as you learn how
to teach this, you know, look atit from that angle.
(21:35):
Because we have a tendency totry to teach it the way we
already understand it, not theway.
Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_01 (21:44):
Yeah, yeah.
I'm only smiling because uh Ione of my greatest challenges.
I say I say that.
I don't know if it's totallytrue, but it's a story I make up
is one of my greatest challengesis how to um how to share my
ideas simpler, like in a simplerway, in a in a streamlined like
(22:06):
how to market.
Let's just let's just call itlike let's just say it's called
marketing.
You know, the idea that I havethis big lofty thing.
And so when I talk about it, itmight come off in this very
specific way, but it's reallyhard for me.
But but if I'm talking to oneperson, I feel like I can really
convey what I'm trying to say.
(22:28):
But when you when I'm trying toget it down into like a sound
bite or something, or somethingsimple, simplified, it's it's a
little bit more tricky for me.
I think I I like, well, for onething, I do like to kind of wax
poetically.
I like to get kind of you know,uh whatever, whatever this is.
I like to get the yes.
SPEAKER_02 (22:47):
Um yes, I would call it it's it's some kind of
flowery language.
SPEAKER_01 (22:51):
Flowery, that's it.
That's my favorite.
I love it.
My favorite books are thesethese books.
Sorry, this is an aside, but I'mgonna say it anyway because I
want to share it.
Uh my favorite books right nowfor the last several years are
books written from about 1920 to1940, and they're like spiritual
mysticism books, specificallyChristian mysticism, which is
(23:13):
very fascinating.
And they're so beautiful.
That not just the not it's likewhat they're sharing is such a
beautiful approach tounderstanding the mysticism of
spirituality, but the way it'swritten is just so glorious and
gorgeous.
You have to, you have to reallylike absorb it through your
whole body.
It's not just a mental process.
(23:35):
And I love that.
I love anything that merges kindof all my fields and I and and
uh swallows me up in a certainway.
And I have to, I have to reallyopen myself to really getting
the deeper energy that's kind ofcoming through, even if it's
just words, it can be done in away that that inspires something
deeper.
SPEAKER_00 (23:54):
I'm intrigued by you being drawn to that specific
period because it actuallystraddles two different eras in
the world's history because it'ssquarely between the world wars.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah and you know, and the GreatDepression in the roaring
twenties.
And uh yeah, that's that'sinteresting.
(24:17):
We'll we'll need to vibe on thata little bit later.
I'd love to.
SPEAKER_02 (24:22):
Yeah.
No, one of the things that Ihave always really appreciated
about you is that you expressyourself in a manner that I
don't I can't recall any manI've ever known in my life,
straight or gay, any man thatexpresses themselves quite the
(24:42):
way you do.
You you just have such anopenness.
And I don't know, I guess what'scoming to my mind right now is
that you you have a comfort inyour own skin that is a little
bit rare.
SPEAKER_01 (25:05):
Well, I'm hoping to make it less so.
SPEAKER_02 (25:09):
Yeah, I like that idea too.
We need more, we need more menlike you.
We really do.
Yeah, the world would be abetter place if we had more men
like you.
SPEAKER_01 (25:24):
Oh, that's very sweet of you to say.
I appreciate that.
SPEAKER_02 (25:27):
Yeah, I mean that.
I mean, yeah, you know, you youhave always um just held a
really special place in in in inmy heart since we we met.
We just connected on a levelthat is just rare, and there's
just a comfort level there thatis just so hard to to find.
(25:50):
We s we search our lives throughour lives sometimes and never
find it.
And I definitely I I scored whenI met you in that regard.
There's just a comfort level.
I don't ever have to be anythingbut just me when I'm in your
presence.
Such a gift that you give to me.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_01 (26:11):
Thank you, Maddox.
That it's very sweet to receive,and I'm so grateful to be able
to serve you in those ways of umhaving you feel met in a way
that allows you to just bewhatever authentic, as it's
written right above your headthere.
Whatever authentic part of youhappens to be emergent in that
moment.
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (26:34):
With me, you never know.
SPEAKER_00 (26:39):
I think it's it's interesting that you're having
to peel the onion of having todeliver a message to to reach uh
those that are that you're goingto be in front of without really
knowing who they are.
I mean, you you called itmarketing, but what raced in my
mind was an experience that Ihad where I got to be in the
(27:00):
presence of slices of uhdifferent uh people from all
over the world.
And I'm thinking specifically ofwhat it was like to go on the
journey uh from uh being aregular person to being a
soldier in in basic training.
(27:22):
And yeah, I could pick any oneof the specific modules, but
specifically drilling ceremony.
Any person that's off the streetwould not know how to move or
execute as a unit.
And it looks really scary andsloppy because they're slinging
around weapons.
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And somehow within the space ofa very short time, it goes from
looking like an ungodly awfulmess where people are running
into each other to being ashighly skilled and coordinated
as any Broadway number, or uhdare I say, it's like uh you can
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look at people who've gonethrough the process and all of a
sudden they're carving up afield like they're Janet
Jackson's uh backup dancers forthe Rhythm Nation tour.
SPEAKER_02 (28:16):
Or or synchronized swimmers from the 20s.
SPEAKER_00 (28:25):
But it but that comes from through a process of
making it so that it doesn'tmatter where people came from.
And I'm thinking of the people Icycled through with.
There were several soldiers whocycled from the language
learning um base in Lackland,uh, the Lackland Air Force Base.
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And so you had a lot of them forwhom English was not their first
language.
Uh, you had people from Americanterritories, you had people from
foreign countries, and you hadpeople from all over the
country.
So it didn't matter if they werefrom West Virginia or if they
were from Guam or if they werefrom the Middle East.
We had to figure it all out.
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And there were times when thatwas really challenging.
SPEAKER_01 (29:10):
Yeah, yeah.
I bet.
And I'm curious for you, whatwas what do you feel like is the
sort of keystone, you know, thatthat allows for that cohesion to
emerge?
SPEAKER_00 (29:24):
The the beautiful thing is that despite all
differences, there are so manymore things that we can draw on
that we have in common.
And we just have to be open andwilling to embrace those things.
Because it could very well bethat something that's ingrained
as a cultural norm that you findparticularly offensive.
(29:45):
It's just because of somethingthat was that was um shown to
you growing up and you have toembrace that.
Not everyone has that training.
And so you you gotta be willingto go outside of what you know.
SPEAKER_02 (30:04):
You know, I I think it's human nature when we get in
a room full of people oranywhere where there are other
people, it I it is just ourwe're wired to look around us
and and see differences.
It's the first place our mindgoes.
We we look at how people aredifferent than us.
(30:24):
And I've been having aconversation.
Dwight and I both have beenhaving a conversation about it's
okay to notice all the ways thatpeople are different from you,
but then take it one stepfurther and look for the
similarities because they'rethere.
(30:45):
Yeah.
They're there if you just openyour eyes and look for them.
They're not as easy to see asthe thing because we find our
differences mostly on a physicallevel, what the eye can see.
SPEAKER_01 (30:58):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (30:58):
And the similarities are often things that can't be
seen.
So you have to get in a littlebit closer and see with that
third eye.
SPEAKER_03 (31:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (31:07):
Feel with your senses and find those
similarities.
And it's a game changer.
SPEAKER_03 (31:15):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (31:16):
It somehow makes the differences kind of just melt
away and they're unimportant.
SPEAKER_01 (31:21):
Yeah.
Yeah, especially in a world thatalways has been.
I mean, we like to think thatthis is like somehow special.
Um the division, you know,that's happening now, but it's
it's not.
It's it's always been like thisin some form or another.
But I think the difference isour ability to perceive it and
see it so boldly and speak toit.
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You know, there's like a certainway that we've moved into a
place of consciousness where wecan see that what we're doing.
We can look at it, wow, we arereally in this divisive place,
and so it makes it morepronounced.
And I had this experience yearsago.
It was during a very uh volatileelection cycle.
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And it was the first one whereDonald Trump was coming into
office.
He wasn't in office yet, he wasjust, you know, people, but just
the fact that he was running, itwas just creating this
incredible division.
And I remember listening to mycousin's very conservative talk,
and listening to my friends whowere very liberal talk, and we
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would get in theseconversations, and when we would
drill down, it turned out thatthey both had the same wants.
They both wanted the exact samething.
They wanted to feel safe, theywanted their children to grow up
in a healthy place and feelgood, they wanted them to be
protected and provided for.
The difference was not the corewant or need, the difference was
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how they believed we would getto that place.
And so I took the bold step ofmaking a post about it.
There's been a few times in mylife where I was like, could
have done without that.
Um because, you know, even me intrying to say such a thing as
we're actually more similar thanwe are different.
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At the core, we actually wantthe same things.
It's amazing how how stronglypeople will just cling to
believing that everybody's justso different, or they're out to
get them, or they're thosepeople over there are the
problem and they're bad andwrong.
It's like, you know, there it'sso much identity that comes up
into it.
You know, it's almost it'salmost scarier to let go and
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live in that space ofsurrendered vulnerability in a
certain way.
It's it's like this illusion ofcontrol to look at the
differences.
And I think it's a reallybeautiful opportunity that we
have here to consider that ifwe're more similar than we are
different, then what's possiblethere?
What's possible if we stop, asyou said, kind of paying
attention or looking at theknee-jerk reaction differences,
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but we dig deeper and weactually seek to find the
similarities.
We actually put attention andintention into that.
SPEAKER_02 (33:58):
You know, when when will we just realize that we are
all the human race?
Every single one of us.
I don't care where you're fromor what you look like or what
language you speak.
We are all human beings.
SPEAKER_03 (34:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (34:16):
And I can't believe that that's not enough to bring
us together.
You know, I've often said, youknow, all we just need is an
extraterrestrial invasion.
SPEAKER_01 (34:29):
I think Bill Clinton said this too.
SPEAKER_02 (34:31):
And and and then maybe we'll get our shit
together and work together for acommon cause.
SPEAKER_01 (34:38):
I'm sure they're working on this false flag
attack that you're right.
So that's yeah.
Anyway, I'm not gonna go there.
We're not going spiritually.
No.
SPEAKER_00 (34:49):
Well, let's let's let's let's steer back to um
your journey.
And I I'm really I'm reallyintrigued by how you had some
incredible experiences, youknow, getting to be a part of a
band that is um there'ssomething special about that
because uh I think you youreally have to learn to team,
(35:11):
learn to compromise, learn toget along.
Uh and you know, just havingcarrying with you the the gift
and the learnings that came fromuh dealing with with music and
with uh with sound as a medium.
SPEAKER_03 (35:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (35:29):
Uh and it seems like you've gotten to explore some
incredible things, uh a placethat's kind of uh something that
I'm discovering.
Um, and that is um uh just howthings work within the body or
how to be in touch with thebody.
And you know, just fulldisclosure, um something that
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that Maddox and I talk aboutvery often because he's very
oriented toward how he feels andhow he thinks.
It's something that's very hardfor me to grasp uh because I've
had a lot of experiences thatmade it uh very unsafe for me to
um be anything other than uhstoic or to uh present in a way
(36:18):
that is uh as devoid of emotionas possible.
SPEAKER_02 (36:23):
I've never we've never talked about this aspect
of it, Dwight, but do yoususpect that part of what you're
describing is you went throughso many things that made you
unsafe.
What was it hard to inhabit yourown body for the just because of
the safety issue?
You know, that disassociationthing that we can do sometimes
(36:44):
where we're not present in ourown body?
SPEAKER_00 (36:48):
Um there were probably there were a lot of
moments where I had to I Idefinitely had to be somewhere
else to be I had to be someoneelse.
I mean when I was uh when I wasdealing with um all of the all
(37:09):
of the um incredible pressurethat came from having to hide in
plain sight during don't ask,don't tell and being
interrogated on a daily basis bya defense intelligence agent.
That was really tough because Iknew that the the reason that I
(37:31):
was in that room was becausethey'd done their work and they
had me cornered.
They'd talked to everyone I hadever known in the the prior
decade, and they knew that therewas uh an issue, but the problem
was they couldn't do anythingabout it because they needed me
to self-disclose.
They needed me to say that yes,I'm a gay man.
(37:52):
Yes, I've done gay things, andum I knew enough to uh uh get in
touch with my own uh resourcesto uh mount a uh counter defense
and um that was yeah, that thatwas uh an intense time for me.
(38:13):
Yeah, sounds like it sounds veryintense.
SPEAKER_03 (38:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (38:21):
But um I again I I I really wanted to just kind of
see how it is that you you gotto explore what it was to um
investigate how it is that youcould um use sound uh to heal
the body.
SPEAKER_01 (38:43):
Yeah, I mean I have gone through a lot of phases
with my own body.
Um I think I was pretty jammedup when I was young, didn't have
a lot of access.
I think I've always been a verysensitive person, and so when
I'm in environments that areunsafe or volatile or you know,
(39:06):
just not in my highest, I tendto you know just hold on to a
lot and and and then I'lldisassociate as well.
So I've had to, you know, I'vehad to work with that a lot, but
I think it's been just a naturalprogression because I, you know,
I've studied a lot of differentorientations to healing, um, a
(39:28):
lot of therapeutic models, um, alot of relational models, a lot
of you know, kind of psychedelicmodels and um and a lot of
movement-based stuff.
I'm I'm really into I love todance and I love sport and I
love you know movement in mybody.
And it's just really suchamazing medicine for me that it
(39:49):
really helped me to begin to seehow you know distinctly linked
everything is, that nothingexists in a vacuum, the idea of
just purely talk therapy or orjust purely like run it out, you
know, or or whatever.
You know, there's there has tobe an integration of all these
pieces.
And when I started working withsound in a deeper way and having
(40:11):
a better understanding of how Iwas impacting, you know, myself
and others' experience throughthe types of sound journeys that
I would create or using my voiceor all these things, but then I
started pairing it with thesecoaching protocols and these
processes and these statechanges, and I started to, you
know, it kind of started toemerge as this thing.
So, you know, part of the thisproduct, it's not just music,
(40:35):
it's actual sound vibration.
So you're laying on it and it'sand it's vibrating your whole
body with these sound waves, andit's not like a subtle thing,
it's like being massaged withsound waves, and there's so many
aspects of sound specificallythat support healing.
You you know, there it takes alittle bit of extrapolation, um,
(40:57):
which I'm I love to do.
So I I generally, you know, I'vethere's a lot of scientific
information and research thatshows all these different
aspects of sound.
And then if you just extrapolateit, usually just about one step
further, you can see how allthese things pair together and
create a perfect environment forreleasing trauma or opening up
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the body or getting the nervoussystem back into regulation or
moving energy out that doesn'tneed to be there anymore, all
these different pieces.
And it's really just been ajourney, um, a continued
journey.
I'm I'm always still discoveringwhen when I made the Z5, one
thing I said about it was thatthis product was the infinite, I
(41:41):
mean, I'm sorry, the finite partof this whole thing.
But the the the soundexperiences, the kind of
creations that we can make toalter brain states and alter the
nervous system and alterconsciousness and emotions and
thinking patterns and even ourspirituality in a certain way,
it's absolutely infinite.
(42:02):
There's no limit to thecapabilities and the discoveries
that can be made through thatprocess.
And that really excites me.
I need something that I don'tget bored with.
SPEAKER_00 (42:16):
Well, it it sounds amazing.
I I as you're describing this,I'm just thinking about how it's
kind of the uh inevitable nextstep with certain things because
I know that for years we've usedsound in the way that we tell
stories.
Right?
I mean, no one will ever forgetwhat it was like to watch Psycho
(42:41):
and hear that uh particulartrack that they played as the
shower curtain came down.
You know, we we know what it'slike to um to be to be moved by
a soundtrack in a movie.
And whether it's uh a singableDisney tune or it's one of those
(43:03):
things that's uh uh giving youthat heads up that something
bad's about to happen in aflasher.
Like we we get to experiencethat, but then there's another
extreme where we see soundapplied for things like um using
supersonic sound gun to break upscar tissue.
(43:25):
Yep.
And you know, I I can see howthis is definitely along that
continuum.
This is um applying um it's uhapplying the science, and this
is uh this is really somethingto to be proud of.
Yeah, thank you.
SPEAKER_01 (43:42):
Thank you.
It's definitely a mixture ofscience and art.
I I call it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (43:51):
Well, I was just thinking about how music,
whether it's you know, myfavorite dance tune or
soundtrack to one of my favoritemovies, it just has the ability
to literally transform, youknow, my my state of being as I
(44:11):
I listen to it.
Um yeah, it it I I don't spend alot of time thinking about that,
but in this conversation, I'mreally like thinking about how I
can just hear some of thesoundtrack for The Chronicles of
(44:32):
Narnia, which is a movie'smovies that really, really touch
me on a really, really deeplevel.
And um, sometimes tears willjust stream down my face.
Just and I've heard the song amillion times, and I've watched
all three of the movies so manytimes I've lost count.
And yet it still moves me everytime.
(44:53):
It's not diminished in any, ifanything, it's maybe gotten more
intense as I go farther into it.
Um, but yes, yes, it's it's verytransformative.
SPEAKER_01 (45:05):
Yeah, I mean, what what you're ultimately
describing is an altered state,you know, it alters your state.
And we we usually sub, you know,kind of uh reserve that term for
meaning kind of like a you know,kind of out of it altered state.
But really, all it means is it'staking your state from one and
putting it into another, right?
It's altering your state.
So what you're speaking to iswhat is one of the core reasons
(45:28):
why this is so powerful andeffective, because we are
impacted by sound and music insuch a way that you know we can
measure the impacts of, but wecan't understand it to begin
with, if that makes any sense.
It's kind of like electricity inthat way.
We we can measure electricity,but we don't actually fully know
what it what the heck is this.
SPEAKER_02 (45:50):
I I think that there is an element of memory
involved.
Of course.
This is just coming to me rightin the moment.
You know, if I laid on yoursound table and listened to
vibrations that I've never heardbefore, yes, there's no memory
attached to it.
SPEAKER_01 (46:05):
Correct.
SPEAKER_02 (46:05):
It's just what it is in that moment.
But in that moment when I'm justcompletely enveloped in, say,
one of the tracks from theNarnia movies.
SPEAKER_03 (46:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (46:16):
Um, it's the the memory of the scene and the
scene, how the scene emotionallyimpacted me in that moment.
And it brings it, it puts meright back in that space, yeah,
with a pretty significant amountof um intensity.
SPEAKER_01 (46:36):
Yeah.
It's it's really well said, andit's actually an important point
because what we're intending todo is create such a new state
environment, such a new alteredstate experience that it opens
up a space for a new world toemerge within you.
And so we actually spend a lotof time in the in the full
(46:56):
methodology process that I have,it's about a two-hour long
session.
And for the first hour, hour and15 minutes, we're exploring
things that are happening, kindof a coaching kind of dynamic.
But what we're doing is we'retrying to find something that we
can take and seed into thatmoment.
So when we're in the Z5experience, after a couple of
(47:18):
minutes, you know, you're kindof getting into it, you're
feeling it.
This is new.
I don't know what's going tohappen next musically or
vibrationally or anything.
But eventually your body willlet go and your mind will let go
and you drop into these states.
And in those states, you're opento any suggestion.
I mean, this is an amazing placeto be when it's used with
(47:40):
reverence, respect for what wedo.
But what we do is we don't wedon't do it for you.
We we facilitate you doing itfor yourself.
So when we're doing the processof trying to find where you want
to be, what what future memorydo you want to create?
Is what we're kind of exploring.
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And not only is it up in here,but we have you find it in your
entire body, and then using yourbody, you transmit that through
your voice.
You're just sending your, youknow, we we have this idea that
we're saying words, but we'rejust saying like it's just all
sounds and noise and shape, butwe have agreed what these shapes
(48:23):
mean.
So we can use words and languageand we transmit them, we record
them, and when you drop intothat state, we send that back in
and we start to repattern yoursubconscious belief patterns
with your own words.
We're basically sendingsubliminal messages into the
music, but they're yours,they're your frequency, your
words, your ideas, yourfeelings, everything.
(48:44):
So you get to create a futurememory from that experience.
SPEAKER_02 (48:49):
With these future memories, is there an element of
manifestation here?
SPEAKER_01 (48:54):
Yeah, you could say that.
You could definitely say that,and it can be used in that
direction.
That comes down to theorientation of both the
individual participant andperhaps the kind of angling of
the facilitator.
So, but yes, it's definitelymanifestation in a certain way.
SPEAKER_02 (49:11):
Well, and and I want to say with a clarifier, because
I think there's a lot of theworld when you say
manifestation, people think ofthe new house, the new car, the
new job, and the big income.
And I'm talking aboutmanifestation on a deeper level,
like like, you know, saying,wow, I I want to, because a lot
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of our conversation is aboutbecoming, I want to become X, Y,
Z.
SPEAKER_01 (49:39):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (49:39):
You know, I I want to be somebody not negating who
I am now, just wanting to growand be more than I am now.
And so it's a manifestation of amore of a being rather than a
getting or receiving or yeah,just much deeper level.
SPEAKER_01 (49:59):
Well, and I would also just to offer something,
you're actually what you'remanifesting there is a want.
So you're manifesting the wantto be something.
It's a it's a subtle difference,but what you're saying to the
universe, let's say, is I want.
And the universe goes, Great,I'm gonna keep you in a place
(50:20):
where you want, not in a placewhere you be.
So it's a you know, and thenthis is one of the fascinating
things of this process of likehow we speak to ourselves, how
we speak to in our prayers orour manifestation or our
intentions, every little detailreally matters.
And so when we say, I want thatnew car, then the universe says,
(50:41):
Great, I'm gonna give you lotsof opportunities to want that
new car instead of or if I wantto be this, that, and the other.
You're gonna get an opportunityto get exactly what you said.
So it could be more like, so I'mI'm I'm just kind of going down
this rabbit hole because I Ihave a little bit of a fetish
around this because I do it allthe time with my clients.
But it's it's an important pieceto remember that what what I
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what I like to focus on is notabout let's have something be
different.
What I generally want to invitemy clients into is release
resistance out of their field.
So moving into what I might callsomething more akin to a
non-dual state.
The typical approach forsomebody wanting to manifest
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something is that they don'tappreciate or want what they
have.
It's a subtle thing, and it'snot always 100%, but there is
usually a subtlety of resistingwhat is.
And resistance in the fielddoesn't yield.
You know what I mean?
So we when we're resist, when werelease these pieces of
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resistance, then our bodies, ourminds, our hearts, the field
around us that is creating allof this world finds a better way
to do it because we are not,it's just reflecting us all the
time.
So if we're not pleased withwhat we have, it's not about us
doing more, trying more,manifesting more.
It's actually about clearing thepathway for something to move
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more organically and moreholistically.
SPEAKER_02 (52:12):
I I don't know where I got this, but for many, many
years I have believed that whenit is when I'm completely okay
with where I am right here andright now is when it's okay to
be someplace else.
Love that.
SPEAKER_01 (52:26):
Love that.
SPEAKER_02 (52:26):
Which is another word way of you know what you
said about letting go of theresistance and just being okay
with what is.
SPEAKER_01 (52:36):
Yes, absolutely.
It's perfect.
Thank you for exemplifying whatI said earlier about my
long-winded form in themarketing language.
SPEAKER_02 (52:47):
Oh, this is amazing.
You know, we are starting to runa little thin on time, and
there's still two more thingsthat I really want to get to
before we wrap up.
And so we may have to cliff noteit, but in and you can speak to
this in whatever time frame youwant, whether it's your your
whole creative journey, whetherit's back at the time with the
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bands, or whether it's now withyour your sound technology.
But how does community play arole in your creative journey?
SPEAKER_01 (53:20):
That's a great question.
Um well, on one hand, I wouldsay I really love I don't like
creating alone.
I love creating with people.
So community vested and focusedon a singular goal or a mutual
(53:40):
benefit of some sort, there is away that I absolutely adore
that.
Um so if we're looking atcreativity like very
specifically, I would say thatmy favorite thing is to create
with other like minds.
The band was an emergentexperience.
The people who came online andcame on board to help me with
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Soma Live and the Z5 was allemergent.
None of this, I mean, I wastaking steps, but I would take a
step towards something.
But the thing that wouldactually come in to do to solve
the problem that I was trying tosolve would be from some angle
that I could never have guessed.
And I'm so grateful for the who,the who that made it all happen.
But something that I want tospeak to about community more
(54:23):
specifically is my experienceover the last couple of years
when I was really deep in thestartup phase of this, of this
work, and I was I had moved awayfrom my the one, there's one,
there's really one place that Ifeel the most community, like
held by a greater community, andthat's actually in Western
Massachusetts.
And I had been living here forabout four or five years, and
(54:47):
when I got the initial kind ofpush, you know, the funding to
kind of go for Soul Alive as abigger thing than just this
project, I moved and I went toCalifornia and then I went back
to Texas.
And during that time period, Ididn't have much community.
And it wasn't until a littleways into there that I started
(55:10):
to realize that my health wasstarting to go downhill, my just
general joy was starting todeteriorate.
Um I didn't know total, I knew Iwas stressed, but I was like,
but this this seems more thanthat.
(55:30):
And it wasn't until I came backand visited some friends and
spent some time.
And I mean, I get back and I'minvited to three parties, and I
another friend's like, come overand perform music for this
contact improvisation jam.
And oh, by the way, I've gotthis project I'm working on.
Can you come help me with this?
This, you know, just all this,like right when I get here, all
this integration of people, justyou know, in the scene these
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interactions.
And I realized how much itshifted how I felt, and it
opened up all this creativity.
I felt inspired again, you know.
And so for me, whether or notthat community is specifically
integrated with what I'm whatI'm working on, the fact that
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they exist around me serves whatI'm working on because it gives
me the juice, it gives me themeaning almost.
Like I that the meaning has tobe about people, the people that
are important to me.
Hopefully, a family one day as agreater community, even.
But that is so crucial to me.
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I can't do it without it.
And honestly, what's the point?
Honestly, what's the point?
SPEAKER_02 (56:38):
Oh my god, so well said.
You get a gold star, you getfive gold stars.
SPEAKER_01 (56:42):
I love gold stars.
SPEAKER_02 (56:43):
I mean, you're doing it right.
Um, wow.
Well, you know, for the for thelong-winded stuff you did
earlier, you just made up forit.
Perfect.
Okay, so the the last point thatthat I want to touch on is you
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you are where you are now, andyou can look back, you know, to
see who you had to be, who youwere that got you where you are
right now.
And we've all heard this.
What got you here won't get youthere.
And so I guess my question is,you know, what we we make pit
(57:32):
stops.
I I think that life is very muchlike a race car track, you know.
You don't ever it, you just keepgoing.
You just keep going around, butyou you make pit stops from time
to time.
And a pit stop is maybe a maybeyou reach a certain goal.
You have this goal and you getthere.
But if if we've if any of ushave ever gotten to the goal,
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we'd realize that it lasts aboutanywhere from 10 minutes to two
weeks.
And then we're like, well, isthat it?
You know, and we're we'relooking for the next thing.
It was just we're we're wiredfor that.
So, you know, pit stops, andthen we we move on.
So what is your next step?
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And who will you need to become?
Not what will you be need tocome need to become, who will
you need to become to get tothat next pit stop?
SPEAKER_01 (58:29):
Yeah, great question.
Great question.
So what the next pit stop is, atleast in the ways that I imagine
it to be, but I also know that Iset my vision or my intention
and my imagining of what it canbe.
And then I leave a lot of roomfor it to show me what it's
(58:51):
gonna be because I have a veryfeeble uh mind and idea of what
I think it should be.
And so my imagining though, whatI what I would love to see, what
I would love to see is Soma Livetaking off and impacting many
people, having, you know,serving from this very high kind
of exclusive level, so to speak,that we're at, this kind of
(59:13):
high-end level.
I want to really serve thepractitioner work and bring that
out into the world.
And I want to even bring in someconsumer level products, but I
really want to see more and morepeople have this transformation.
I want to, I want us to stewardsomatic sound therapy as a
professionally recognizedmethodology and intervention for
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healing and transformation.
That's the goal, that's what Iwant to see.
I'm looking forward to the who,the next whos that will come in
to support the next step becausewe're we we feel like we're at
that edge where we're ready forthe next step where it's about
to take forward.
So I'm really excited for that.
To answer the question of who doI need to become?
(59:55):
I love this question because Irecently um was at an event and
I heard this amazing man speak.
His name is David Bayer, andhe's kind of like a Tony Robbins
kind of guy, but a little bit alittle bit softer, a little bit
sweeter.
Brilliant.
Uh very, very brilliant.
I just just just the kind of manthat you just kind of fall in
(01:00:16):
love with, you know.
Um if that's if if you're intothese types of like spiritual,
but also like mindset, reallyfocused.
Things that just reallybeautifully said.
And something that he spokereally struck me.
And I've been kind of mulling itaround up until that point, but
I didn't have the words for it.
And he said so many times whenwe are moving down the pathway
(01:00:41):
of life, and we're wanting to,you know, paraphrasing obviously
in my words now.
Yeah.
Um, when we move down thepathway of life and we're moving
on to the next thing, ourgeneral, like interestingly
enough, what we generally thinkof is adding.
We need to become this, I needto do this, I need to start.
I gotta get my cold plunge, andI gotta get the supplements and
(01:01:02):
I gotta do the thing.
And while those are all sobeneficial, the things that
usually keep us back are notgoing to be solved by adding.
It's actually going to be solvedby subtracting.
What do we need to let go of tobecome more of who we truly are?
Because that's what this journeyis all about, anyway.
And so for me, in my life, it'smore about letting go of the
(01:01:26):
parts of me that I put intoplace thinking they were
supposed to be there, thinkingthat they were necessary for me
to become X, Y, and Z, or justas a protective mechanism, an
antiquated process to protectmyself in some way that we like
to call something likeself-sabotage or whatever name
we put on it.
But so for me, it's like I'm I'minterested in becoming just who
(01:01:48):
I truly am on a spirit level, ona soul level, the expression of
my authentic self in whateverway that presents, and trusting
that anything else that I try toshove in there to make myself be
something else is addingresistance to the system.
So I'm removing all thatresistance and saying, I'm here
(01:02:12):
for this life, I'm available forwhat wants to come next.
I'll ride that wave, I'll surfthat wave, and I'm excited for
it, and I'm grateful for it, andmy life is amazing, and I
wouldn't want any other one.
So um so I'll just keepsurrendering and keep putting
down the things that I don'thave to carry anymore to become
(01:02:34):
more of who I am.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02:36):
You know, you're you're calling out something
that I think it's one of thoseunconscious things again, you
know.
Like I will set um, I'll set anintention.
Like I'm I'm real big onintention bracelets and
intention necklaces, and I'vehad several, and and it's always
(01:02:57):
just one thing at a time.
You know, my my first one was abracelet that said the word
believe on it, because I setthis intention that I wanted to
fully believe in myself.
I realized that I didn't at thatmoment, and I wanted to believe
in myself.
And I wore that bracelet, butwere there things that I had to
(01:03:19):
let go of in order to believe inmyself?
Absolutely.
Did I consciously focus on thosethings?
No, I didn't.
And I might have gotten therefaster if I had.
You know, I might have foundthat belief faster if I had.
I mean, anything that we want tobe, we got to look at what
(01:03:40):
stinking thinking we got on gotgoing on inside of us that's
keeping us from being that.
You know, my latest thing isaudacity.
Necklace right here saysaudacity.
I want to be bold.
And um, you know, there aredefinitely things that I've had
to release and let go of.
(01:04:03):
And it hadn't necessarily beeneasy, but I haven't really
thought about it consciously orfocused on.
And so the beautiful part ofthis conversation, I think, is
realizing that when we candecide what we want to be,
whatever it is, believe or uhaudacious, uh audacious, yeah,
(01:04:27):
then the next question is whatdo I need to leave behind?
What do I need to release?
What a great question.
And really write it down andstart to let it go.
SPEAKER_01 (01:04:40):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (01:04:41):
And there's a wealth of things out there that are
about letting go and you know,help us do that.
But we can also make it way morecomplicated than it needs to be.
SPEAKER_01 (01:04:52):
Yeah, we'd love to do that.
I totally agree.
I think writing down is aamazing thing because it's easy,
you know, because it what I'lljust say is it's so easy to be
in the groove of who we've been.
SPEAKER_02 (01:05:07):
I I love what you're saying though about just being
myself.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's it's a different wayto look at it.
But you know, at the same time,that self that we be, we we
fully get to decide what thatis.
SPEAKER_01 (01:05:26):
Yeah, yeah, in many ways, yes.
SPEAKER_02 (01:05:29):
You know, I I think the only and I I think you have
a handle on this because of allthe work you've done.
But I think that for a lot ofpeople to say, I want to let go
of everything that keeps me frombeing just being me, myself,
they don't know what that selfis.
SPEAKER_01 (01:05:47):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (01:05:48):
Yeah.
And that's where the the trickypart comes in.
SPEAKER_01 (01:05:51):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (01:05:52):
You've done a lot of discovery work to discover who
you are on that inner level.
I've done a lot of discoverywork, but the average bear
probably hasn't.
SPEAKER_01 (01:06:05):
Well, let me help.
Come see me for some Z5sessions.
SPEAKER_02 (01:06:10):
There'll be a link in the show notes.
SPEAKER_01 (01:06:14):
Beautiful.
Oh no.
You know, but seriously, youknow, it's like I think you're
absolutely right.
There is a sense of discovery,discovery and finding.
And and uh, you know, sometimesit is easier to find what isn't
first.
You know, we tend to find what'snot quicker than we find what
is.
And it's almost like um, well,it's like you know, a sculpture
(01:06:38):
in a certain way, you know,we're we're we're cutting away
what isn't to find what is.
So I think a great place tostart for anybody that is
curious about what is, is likewhat truly feels open and fluid
in the body, you know, like whena certain experience is
happening where somebody speaksto you in a certain way, or when
(01:06:59):
you're in a certain environment,you're listening or whatever,
listening to a certain type ofmusic, whatever it is, like if
it feels good, like if it feelstruly good, healthy good, like
open, if you feel yourselfopening more, it's probably a
really good sign.
If it feels tightening, ifyou're if you feel uneasy, if
(01:07:19):
you feel like there's if youconsider that your body is just
a channel of energy, and youfeel like there are spots in it
where that energy cannot flow,there's resistance in that
space, it's probably somethingto take a look at.
SPEAKER_02 (01:07:33):
Oh, yes, the body keeps the score as the book says
keeps the score, Cecil Vanderko.
I was at a party.
We were at a party, Chris, abirthday party slash Halloween
party last Saturday night, and Iwas having a similar
conversation with a woman at theparty, and I said, you know,
it's a shame that most peopledon't really understand that you
(01:07:54):
get to be anybody you want tobe.
SPEAKER_03 (01:07:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (01:07:56):
This thought that we got dealt this kind of this, you
know, hand of cards and we can'tchange it is bullshit.
We get to be anybody we want tobe.
And she said, But how do youknow or figure out who you want
to be?
And nobody'd ever asked me thatquestion before.
And in that moment, it was like,you know, that voice you said
(01:08:20):
that spoke to you?
It just came in and it gentlyjust whispered right in my ear
and it came right out of mymouth.
And I said, I this has nevercome out of my mouth before.
And I said, You just look aroundyou, there's examples
everywhere.
You look at this friend overhere and you say, Wow, I love
(01:08:41):
that about Joe Blow.
Yeah, what is it?
Well, he's he's really, reallycompassionate.
He's such a compassionate humanbeing.
I want to be compassionate.
Now you've figured out oneaspect of who you want to be,
and you just continue looking.
There's examples all around uswhere we can say, yes, instead
(01:09:02):
of saying, yes, I want thatLamborghini, yes, I want that
five-story house, you say, Yes,I want that courage, yes, I I
want that sense of belonging.
SPEAKER_01 (01:09:12):
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I'd love to feel good than havethings.
I'd love to enjoy this life.
That's kind of my foundationalthing.
Does it feel good?
Does this make me enjoy my life?
Like there's plenty ofsuffering.
I can do that all day.
Everybody's, we're all so goodat that.
SPEAKER_02 (01:09:33):
But I I've been studying art and taking art
classes, and one of myinstructors said focus on the
things that bring you joy.
It was so simple.
SPEAKER_03 (01:09:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (01:09:48):
It doesn't matter what it is, focus on the things
that bring you joy.
It could be some things.
It could be people, it could be,it could be anything.
Travel, it could be certainlocations, it could be certain
food, it doesn't certain songs.
Focus on things that bring youjoy.
And I I it just hit me.
(01:10:09):
I thought, oh my God, that is sofucking simple.
SPEAKER_01 (01:10:12):
Yep.
And whatever you focus onamplifies.
So here you go.
And when you know, so when youfocus on the good, the good gets
better.
SPEAKER_02 (01:10:21):
Yes, it does.
SPEAKER_01 (01:10:22):
I'm gonna keep doing that.
SPEAKER_02 (01:10:26):
Sean Patrick, this has been amazing.
I knew it would be.
I had no doubt.
You you brought the goods, baby.
SPEAKER_01 (01:10:35):
Great.
I'm so glad.
SPEAKER_02 (01:10:39):
Anything that you would like to say or any words
of wisdom you would like toimpart on our listeners before
we wrap?
SPEAKER_01 (01:10:46):
No, I think I've droned on enough, but I just
want to thank you both, uh,Maddox and Dwight.
Thank you so much for having meon.
Maddox, you know, I love you somuch.
And you know, we've been in eachother's lives for all these
years now, and I'm so grateful,and I'm so grateful to be here
and be on your podcast.
And Dwight, it's so amazing tomeet you and uh really love your
energy.
But I just want to thank youboth for having me on here.
(01:11:08):
It's been really sweet to havethis conversation.
SPEAKER_02 (01:11:10):
I love you too, my friend.
You have brought so much into mylife.
So grateful for our friendship.
SPEAKER_00 (01:11:18):
And we're looking forward to uh getting to spend
uh a lot more meaningful timewith you in years to come.
SPEAKER_02 (01:11:26):
Absolutely.
And it wasn't until I came back and visited some
friends and spent some time.
And I mean, I get back and I'minvited to three parties, and I
another friend's like, come overand perform music for this
contact improvisation jam.
And oh, by the way, I've gotthis project I'm working on.
Can you come help me with this?
This even, you know, just allthis, like right when I get
here, all this integration ofpeople, just you know, in this
(00:54):
these interactions.
And I realized how much itshifted how I felt, and it
opened up all this creativity.
I felt inspired again, you know.
And so for me, whether or notthat community is specifically
integrated with what I'm whatI'm working on, the fact that
(01:16):
they exist around me serves whatI'm working on because it gives
me the juice, it gives me themeaning almost.
Like I that the meaning has tobe about people, the people that
are important to me.
Hopefully, a family one day as agreater community, even.
But that is so crucial to me.
(01:37):
I can't do it without it.
And honestly, what's the point?
SPEAKER_00 (01:51):
Hello and welcome to another edition of For the Love
of Creatives podcast.
I am your co-host Dwight, joinedby co-host Maddox.
And today our featured guest isthe wonderful Sean Patrick
Mayer.
Welcome.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Great to be here.
SPEAKER_02 (02:09):
Great to have you, Sean Patrick.
So just you know, for theaudience's benefit, Sean Patrick
and I have known each other forYou're so good at this part.
January of 17.
Um, so it soon will be nineyears that we have known each
(02:33):
other.
We met through an organ, aglobal organization called the
Mankind Project, and we foundquick just friendship like that,
and we have kept up with eachother over the years and had
different forms ofrelationships.
Sean Patrick coached me for aperiod of time, and quite
wonderfully, I might add.
(02:54):
And um yeah, so um it we've beenleading up to this for almost
nine years, and here we it onlytook us nine years.
Only took us nine years.
So let's go, let's go ahead anduh actually I'm gonna give you a
moment to kind of tell theaudience who you are and what
(03:15):
you're about.
Just just a clip notes versionof you.
SPEAKER_01 (03:19):
Sure.
Um, condense who I am in theinfinite of what I and who I am,
and in a short intro, got it.
Okay, let's do it.
Um I guess um, yeah.
So my name is Sean PatrickMaher.
I am the founder and CEO of acompany called Somalive
Technologies um that is focusedon somatic sound therapy.
(03:43):
So we're using sound waves,vibroacoustics, and uh brainwave
entrainment to createexperiences of healing,
wellness, and transformation.
So that's the main focus of mylife um at this point.
And that's an accumulation andkind of an amalgamation of
everything that I've donepreviously, which is musician,
(04:05):
um, touring musician,facilitator, coach.
Um I've uh I was the foundingmember of two wellness centers,
and I um co-created a musicfestival, and I've just done a
lot of weird and interestingthings.
I think what I would sum upabout sort of who I am is I
(04:28):
guess I follow where I where myheart guides me, like where I
feel called, where I want to be,what inspires me.
And I stay pretty true to that.
And I live sort of a gypsy lifein a lot of ways.
Um yeah, that's that's maybelike a very quick 10,000-foot
(04:51):
view of what I'm doing in theworld.
SPEAKER_02 (04:53):
You do live a little bit of a gypsy life.
You have um I've lost count onthe number of places that you
have been for a period of time,moved to and stayed sometimes
for a little while and sometimesa little longer.
And um I I never know whereyou're gonna be when we jump on
a zoom.
SPEAKER_01 (05:11):
Yeah, you want to take a guess?
SPEAKER_02 (05:13):
Uh I don't have a clue.
Austin.
SPEAKER_01 (05:18):
Nope.
I was in Austin last week,though.
I am in I'm in westernMassachusetts right now.
I'm in a little cabin right bythe river.
My dear friends have thisbeautiful cabin here, and I'm
staying in this cabin and doingsome things around here.
But funny enough, I leave inabout a week for about two
months of travel andexperiences.
SPEAKER_02 (05:40):
You know what they say about lives of the rich and
famous.
SPEAKER_01 (05:44):
I don't know what they say, and I don't know what
that is.
When I tell people that I'mmoving around a lot and I'm kind
of nomadic, and you're like, oh,that's so cool.
And I'm like, wow, you just youknow, it's not as glamorous as
you might think, but it is, butit feels good to me.
It's it's kind of what well,it's it's also out of necessity.
(06:05):
It's kind of like just what'scalled of what I'm working on
right now and where I need tobe.
SPEAKER_02 (06:10):
Well, and the the the part of what you're doing
right now, the company and thesound stuff.
I mean, some of the stuff youlisted off at first glance may
not really sound all thatcreative, but I think everything
that you have done has beenextremely creative.
Like in your current role, youstarted off creating, literally
(06:33):
creating sound, am I right?
SPEAKER_01 (06:36):
Yeah, I mean, for most of my life I've been a
sound, what I've alwaysconsidered to be a sound artist.
Some people would call that amusician, but I have always
liked using sound as an abstractart form.
And so the same way a paintermight use abstract painting, I
like approaching sound and theexploration of sound, kind of
(06:57):
painting time with soundscapesand movements and quality and
texture.
I I think of sound in a texturalkind of place.
But yeah, I like that's kind ofwhere it all started, and then
it became an actual physicalproduct and then a methodology
and all these other things.
SPEAKER_02 (07:16):
Yeah, and and I don't really think musician
covers it too well.
It's sort of like, but it itjust it doesn't do what you do
justice.
SPEAKER_00 (07:25):
I don't well, and yeah, just from what you've
shared, there seems to be somany other layers because you
you uh stoma alive.
I mean what you've put togetheris using sound as one aspect of
of healing and of you knowallowing the the body to be
(07:45):
better able to do what it needsto do to to to um draw the
resources it needs for morecomplete healing.
SPEAKER_01 (07:54):
Yeah, well said, absolutely.
That's that's spot on.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (07:59):
Well, let's take a little memory walk back to the
beginning when you were just awee child.
What how did creativity show upin your life?
When did when did you kind ofhave this aha moment where you
knew you liked to make or createthings from nothing?
SPEAKER_01 (08:19):
It's really interesting.
I I don't really know, to behonest.
I I kind of had a I mean, Ithink any child, I think
children are incredibly creativeto begin with, just pretty much
across the board.
They're always so inventive andso curious and making up little
worlds.
I think I used to love playingwith my little army, army G.I.
(08:42):
Joe guys, the little plasticones that are you know static,
they don't move or anything.
And I'd create these wholeworlds, and then I upgraded to
the ones that had it all kind ofthe mobility.
And I used to create these likelittle storylines and these
explorations of these worlds andthese battles and things like
that.
So I remember doing some of thatas a kid, but I I think also um
(09:04):
I think I went through a bigphase where a lot of that kind
of got pressed down.
I think I went into a space of alot of fear, there was a lot of
like kind of chaos in myupbringing.
So the sense of safety to reallylike express in the fullness of
the creativity that wanted topour through, I think got kind
of pressed down a little bit umwithin me.
(09:25):
Like I chose a suppression.
And um, and then I I think it itwas really a few years later,
there was always like these bitsand pieces.
I would do, I would get reallyinto one little pathway for a
little while, but I didn'treally get into like creativity
in a really kind of direct androbust way.
(09:46):
I don't think that happeneduntil my early 20s, probably, is
when I started really.
I remember, I remember I wasdoing a ton of different types
of art.
I was doing photography andpainting and music and all this
stuff, and I and I was doingvideography and all this stuff,
and I realized at some pointthat I didn't want to be an
artist, I wanted to be acreator.
(10:07):
That was that was kind of theword that came through.
So I wanted to be a creator, andof course I didn't know what
that meant.
So so it was kind of a a processof me moving from the the
natural proclivity of creativitytowards you know the dip where
it didn't feel real available,and maybe I did other things
until it kind of resurfaced.
And I feel like once itresurfaced, it never went away,
(10:29):
it just changed forms.
SPEAKER_00 (10:33):
Sounds amazing.
Were there any particularawakenings that you had?
I mean, you you kind of markedyour 20s as being the point
where you were called back.
SPEAKER_03 (10:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:46):
Was there a particular story or yeah, yeah,
yeah, there's a story.
SPEAKER_01 (10:54):
Um, well, so to give a little context, so yeah, I had
a bit of a chaotic upbringingwhen I was 16-year-old, my
brother passed away.
So I was in a pretty bad placewithin myself.
I was didn't know how to managethat kind of grief, didn't know
what to do with it.
And I was getting really in abad way with drugs and things
(11:16):
like that.
And so there were there one ofthe times when it really emerged
was actually around the ninth,my 19th birthday.
I had gone to California to getaway from some space and some
things that I was getting toofar into.
So I went to California to livewith my dad for a little while.
And while I was there, I boughta bunch of music instruments and
(11:36):
a new mixer, mixing board, andthat was when I first started
producing music.
And I still have some of thosetracks, and every now and then
I'll listen back and be like,it's not, I mean, oof, but it's
not bad, you know, likeinteresting, terrible mix, but
interesting.
Um so when I came back fromthat, I started really
performing in bands, and I hadalready been performing in bands
(11:56):
a little bit, but I got reallyserious about it in my like
around 2021.
And you know, the thing thatkind of sent me on the journey
of the work that I'm doing rightnow happened about that time.
And that was uh, that was a I'llshare it quickly.
It was um I was perform well, Iwas I was in a still in a pretty
(12:17):
bad way.
I was going to college at thetime and I was playing in this
in this band, and I lit we had aband house.
We all lived in the housetogether, and the jam room, the
music room, was my room.
So I'd sleep on the floorbetween the kick drum and the
wall.
That was my like little, I'droll a little pad out, sleep for
the night, and then in themorning I'd roll it back up, put
it in the closet, and we'd havespace to make music.
(12:37):
And but I was like, I was havinga real rough time, and I
remember this this voiceeffectively, this woman's voice
coming through.
And she basically said, I I kindof liken it to the voice of God,
a form of God, an angel,something like that.
And she basically just said,You're gonna heal or you're
gonna die.
You know, if you, you know, it'schoice is yours, you get to do,
(12:57):
you know, there was no judgment.
She just said, It's up to you.
And for whatever reason, thatnight I decided I would heal,
not knowing what that meant.
And it was the next day we wereperforming a show, and and the
um the voice came back, and shesaid to turn around and face
your amplifier during while wewere playing music.
(13:19):
And I did, I turned around inthis one specific moment of this
one specific song, and uh I feltthe sound waves enter my body
and churn up a lot of grief andjust churn all these things
forward, and then when it got toabout my throat, it just burst
out of me and I just burst intotears and had no idea what had
(13:41):
happened to me.
But I went home that night andstarted to try to find out, and
that's when I discovered therewas this whole concept of using
sound as a healing modality, andso my creativity from that point
on sort of took a turn towardspurpose.
The creativity was up until thatpoint, it was just purely like
(14:04):
kind of whatever wants to bethere.
From that point on, there wasalways this, it was always like
through a lens of service ortransformation or you know,
evolving consciousness orsomething like that.
And so yeah, that's that's thatwas like probably the biggest
turning point of my life.
And then there were some othercrucial ones along the way, but
(14:24):
that one really took me on myjourney, like sent me on my
journey, rather.
SPEAKER_00 (14:29):
Well, you're fortunate to have such an
awakening moment.
I mean, something that profoundis is almost I'd say it's a
modern equivalent of what we seein in uh biblical stories.
I mean, you you got toexperience your own burning
bush.
SPEAKER_02 (14:50):
I'm I'm curious, Sean Patrick, because I I think
that I I can look back now andsee that my life started being
service to others as early as13, but I didn't have a language
for it.
Back then I couldn't have said,you know, oh, I'm I'm here to
(15:10):
have impact on the planet, orI'm I'm here to, you know, I
couldn't have said any of thosethings.
SPEAKER_01 (15:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (15:16):
But it was it was happening just naturally, you
know.
And I'm wondering for you, wasit, I mean, were you aware on
that conscious level back then,or is it like me in retrospect,
where you now realize, you know,you you were because that's a
very young age for anybody to befocused on service to others.
SPEAKER_01 (15:41):
Yeah, that you're absolutely right.
That is a very young age to dothat.
And I don't think I had theawareness of it.
It was the I think the closestthing to that is I started
having it was around that agewhere I started having people
say things like, I really liketalking to you, or you're really
nice to talk to.
Um, which is, I think, one of mycreative gifts is my ability to
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have explorative conversationthat kind of draws things out of
people in a certain way.
Um, and it just comes fairlynatural to me.
So, but it but it certainlywasn't conscious.
I think I was too jammed uptrying to find my own place.
I think I I think I was too inthe like into the shadows of my
(16:24):
own ego trying to find its wayin this life to really know to
really even have a bead on theidea that that I was going to be
focused more on service.
I think that came later.
Um, and in fact, much later.
I think I think ultimately thatdidn't come until, you know,
even within a few years afterthat kind of awakening in my
(16:47):
early 20s.
SPEAKER_02 (16:48):
I must have had some little inkling though, because I
was telling Dwight a storyeither this morning or
yesterday, I don't rememberwhich now, about helping out in
the family business at age 13.
And my dad would say, Son, youcan't spend that much time with
every customer.
And I was like, But but daddy, Ican't not.
They need me.
You know, he didn't understand.
(17:09):
But they would they would theyI'm 13 and they would be telling
me like serious, laying seriousstuff on me.
The customers would.
Yeah, and and I was just tunedin and listening, and so I had
some kind of uh, you know, thisbecause I because I said, Daddy,
they need me.
I knew that it was yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (17:33):
It was there already, it was there already
for you.
Like you had that built in.
And I I would imagine that ifsomebody I would imagine maybe
my mother or somebody that knewme then would probably be able
to reflect something to me, butI don't think you know, part of
the question was how consciouswas it?
Um and that for for me wasn'tterribly conscious at the time.
SPEAKER_02 (17:56):
It's always fun to look back and at the things that
we were present for us, but wewere unconscious of.
SPEAKER_01 (18:05):
Absolutely.
I mean, I I actually like theidea that our greatest gifts are
so well, one of our greatestgifts generally is so simple or
so second nature for us, so soeven first nature for us that we
don't even see how powerful itis.
SPEAKER_02 (18:24):
We don't we don't see it as the gift that maybe
those around us see it.
Yeah, I always think though themagical part of it is when
you've been doing itunconsciously, and all of a
sudden you have that aha momentand it becomes conscious, and
now you're doing it withintention, and that's such a
(18:46):
powerful and magical moment.
You know, you've just beennaturally doing it, but now all
of a sudden it's like you'reaware and it puts it on a whole
different level in so many ways.
SPEAKER_01 (18:58):
I like that.
Yeah, yeah, that's absolutelyright.
That's absolutely right.
Yeah.
And I've been I've been kind ofdoing some of that lately,
trying to bring some of my work.
When I started building acurriculum for training people
how to do the processes that Ido with the Z5 and the
methodology, I it forced me tolook really closely at every
little detail and how detailedevery little thing that I do in
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a session, and Z5 experiencesession is so specific and it's
so oriented in a certain way ina certain framework.
But once I started to unpack it,it's like, wow, so much to this.
And then I come across the partsthat are just so natural for me,
and it's like, well, how do Iteach this?
How do I teach somebodysomething that I didn't learn?
(19:40):
I call I had a gift and then Ihoned the gift, but I didn't
learn the gift, if that makesany sense.
SPEAKER_02 (19:47):
It makes perfect sense.
SPEAKER_00 (19:49):
Well, and you you have an opportunity to learn it
in ways that just weren't therefor you because I'm I'm pretty
sure that you're probably goingto go through some iterations
where as you cycle peoplethrough, you're going to
discover all of the differentways that you may need to relate
it to, you know, the way thatpeople are wired, you know.
(20:11):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02 (20:13):
Well, and and we teach what we most need to
learn.
So as you are teaching, you willI mean, I feel sometimes like I
grow more than the per than thestudent does.
I mean, I'm teaching and I'mgetting more out of it than they
are.
SPEAKER_03 (20:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (20:28):
You know, one of the things that I I we have this
conversation frequently, how II'll be going into some type of
tutorial, whether it's a videoor it's a written tutorial or
something that is a how-to.
And and how I'll read it andI'll go, wow, this was written
(20:49):
by somebody who already knew howto do it.
And they didn't write it forpeople that don't know how to do
it.
They wrote it for people withwho would know how to.
And it's like that's not aconscious thing.
They don't do thatintentionally.
But, you know, it's like beingin a room of people that have a
certain jargon, whether it'scoaching jargon or or
(21:12):
psychiatry, psychology jargon,or or you know, 12-step program
jargon.
And we just expect people aregoing to understand what we're
talking about, and to them,we're talking a foreign
language.
So I guess, you know, my myinput would be as you learn how
to teach this, you know, look atit from that angle.
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Because we have a tendency totry to teach it the way we
already understand it, not theway.
Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_01 (21:44):
Yeah, yeah.
I'm only smiling because uh Ione of my greatest challenges.
I say I say that.
I don't know if it's totallytrue, but it's a story I make up
is one of my greatest challengesis how to um how to share my
ideas simpler, like in a simplerway, in a in a streamlined like
(22:06):
how to market.
Let's just let's just call itlike let's just say it's called
marketing.
You know, the idea that I havethis big lofty thing.
And so when I talk about it, itmight come off in this very
specific way, but it's reallyhard for me.
But but if I'm talking to oneperson, I feel like I can really
convey what I'm trying to say.
(22:28):
But when you when I'm trying toget it down into like a sound
bite or something, or somethingsimple, simplified, it's it's a
little bit more tricky for me.
I think I I like, well, for onething, I do like to kind of wax
poetically.
I like to get kind of you know,uh whatever, whatever this is.
I like to get the yes.
SPEAKER_02 (22:47):
Um yes, I would call it it's it's some kind of
flowery language.
SPEAKER_01 (22:51):
Flowery, that's it.
That's my favorite.
I love it.
My favorite books are thesethese books.
Sorry, this is an aside, but I'mgonna say it anyway because I
want to share it.
Uh my favorite books right nowfor the last several years are
books written from about 1920 to1940, and they're like spiritual
mysticism books, specificallyChristian mysticism, which is
(23:13):
very fascinating.
And they're so beautiful.
That not just the not it's likewhat they're sharing is such a
beautiful approach tounderstanding the mysticism of
spirituality, but the way it'swritten is just so glorious and
gorgeous.
You have to, you have to reallylike absorb it through your
whole body.
It's not just a mental process.
(23:35):
And I love that.
I love anything that merges kindof all my fields and I and and
uh swallows me up in a certainway.
And I have to, I have to reallyopen myself to really getting
the deeper energy that's kind ofcoming through, even if it's
just words, it can be done in away that that inspires something
deeper.
SPEAKER_00 (23:54):
I'm intrigued by you being drawn to that specific
period because it actuallystraddles two different eras in
the world's history because it'ssquarely between the world wars.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah and you know, and the GreatDepression in the roaring
twenties.
And uh yeah, that's that'sinteresting.
(24:17):
We'll we'll need to vibe on thata little bit later.
I'd love to.
SPEAKER_02 (24:22):
Yeah.
No, one of the things that Ihave always really appreciated
about you is that you expressyourself in a manner that I
don't I can't recall any manI've ever known in my life,
straight or gay, any man thatexpresses themselves quite the
(24:42):
way you do.
You you just have such anopenness.
And I don't know, I guess what'scoming to my mind right now is
that you you have a comfort inyour own skin that is a little
bit rare.
SPEAKER_01 (25:05):
Well, I'm hoping to make it less so.
SPEAKER_02 (25:09):
Yeah, I like that idea too.
We need more, we need more menlike you.
We really do.
Yeah, the world would be abetter place if we had more men
like you.
SPEAKER_01 (25:24):
Oh, that's very sweet of you to say.
I appreciate that.
SPEAKER_02 (25:27):
Yeah, I mean that.
I mean, yeah, you know, you youhave always um just held a
really special place in in in inmy heart since we we met.
We just connected on a levelthat is just rare, and there's
just a comfort level there thatis just so hard to to find.
(25:50):
We s we search our lives throughour lives sometimes and never
find it.
And I definitely I I scored whenI met you in that regard.
There's just a comfort level.
I don't ever have to be anythingbut just me when I'm in your
presence.
Such a gift that you give to me.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_01 (26:11):
Thank you, Maddox.
That it's very sweet to receive,and I'm so grateful to be able
to serve you in those ways of umhaving you feel met in a way
that allows you to just bewhatever authentic, as it's
written right above your headthere.
Whatever authentic part of youhappens to be emergent in that
moment.
Yep.
SPEAKER_02 (26:34):
With me, you never know.
SPEAKER_00 (26:39):
I think it's it's interesting that you're having
to peel the onion of having todeliver a message to to reach uh
those that are that you're goingto be in front of without really
knowing who they are.
I mean, you you called itmarketing, but what raced in my
mind was an experience that Ihad where I got to be in the
(27:00):
presence of slices of uhdifferent uh people from all
over the world.
And I'm thinking specifically ofwhat it was like to go on the
journey uh from uh being aregular person to being a
soldier in in basic training.
(27:22):
And yeah, I could pick any oneof the specific modules, but
specifically drilling ceremony.
Any person that's off the streetwould not know how to move or
execute as a unit.
And it looks really scary andsloppy because they're slinging
around weapons.
(27:44):
And somehow within the space ofa very short time, it goes from
looking like an ungodly awfulmess where people are running
into each other to being ashighly skilled and coordinated
as any Broadway number, or uhdare I say, it's like uh you can
(28:04):
look at people who've gonethrough the process and all of a
sudden they're carving up afield like they're Janet
Jackson's uh backup dancers forthe Rhythm Nation tour.
SPEAKER_02 (28:16):
Or or synchronized swimmers from the 20s.
SPEAKER_00 (28:25):
But it but that comes from through a process of
making it so that it doesn'tmatter where people came from.
And I'm thinking of the people Icycled through with.
There were several soldiers whocycled from the language
learning um base in Lackland,uh, the Lackland Air Force Base.
(28:45):
And so you had a lot of them forwhom English was not their first
language.
Uh, you had people from Americanterritories, you had people from
foreign countries, and you hadpeople from all over the
country.
So it didn't matter if they werefrom West Virginia or if they
were from Guam or if they werefrom the Middle East.
We had to figure it all out.
(29:07):
And there were times when thatwas really challenging.
SPEAKER_01 (29:10):
Yeah, yeah.
I bet.
And I'm curious for you, whatwas what do you feel like is the
sort of keystone, you know, thatthat allows for that cohesion to
emerge?
SPEAKER_00 (29:24):
The the beautiful thing is that despite all
differences, there are so manymore things that we can draw on
that we have in common.
And we just have to be open andwilling to embrace those things.
Because it could very well bethat something that's ingrained
as a cultural norm that you findparticularly offensive.
(29:45):
It's just because of somethingthat was that was um shown to
you growing up and you have toembrace that.
Not everyone has that training.
And so you you gotta be willingto go outside of what you know.
SPEAKER_02 (30:04):
You know, I I think it's human nature when we get in
a room full of people oranywhere where there are other
people, it I it is just ourwe're wired to look around us
and and see differences.
It's the first place our mindgoes.
We we look at how people aredifferent than us.
(30:24):
And I've been having aconversation.
Dwight and I both have beenhaving a conversation about it's
okay to notice all the ways thatpeople are different from you,
but then take it one stepfurther and look for the
similarities because they'rethere.
(30:45):
Yeah.
They're there if you just openyour eyes and look for them.
They're not as easy to see asthe thing because we find our
differences mostly on a physicallevel, what the eye can see.
SPEAKER_01 (30:58):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (30:58):
And the similarities are often things that can't be
seen.
So you have to get in a littlebit closer and see with that
third eye.
SPEAKER_03 (31:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (31:07):
Feel with your senses and find those
similarities.
And it's a game changer.
SPEAKER_03 (31:15):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (31:16):
It somehow makes the differences kind of just melt
away and they're unimportant.
SPEAKER_01 (31:21):
Yeah.
Yeah, especially in a world thatalways has been.
I mean, we like to think thatthis is like somehow special.
Um the division, you know,that's happening now, but it's
it's not.
It's it's always been like thisin some form or another.
But I think the difference isour ability to perceive it and
see it so boldly and speak toit.
(31:41):
You know, there's like a certainway that we've moved into a
place of consciousness where wecan see that what we're doing.
We can look at it, wow, we arereally in this divisive place,
and so it makes it morepronounced.
And I had this experience yearsago.
It was during a very uh volatileelection cycle.
(32:03):
And it was the first one whereDonald Trump was coming into
office.
He wasn't in office yet, he wasjust, you know, people, but just
the fact that he was running, itwas just creating this
incredible division.
And I remember listening to mycousin's very conservative talk,
and listening to my friends whowere very liberal talk, and we
(32:23):
would get in theseconversations, and when we would
drill down, it turned out thatthey both had the same wants.
They both wanted the exact samething.
They wanted to feel safe, theywanted their children to grow up
in a healthy place and feelgood, they wanted them to be
protected and provided for.
The difference was not the corewant or need, the difference was
(32:45):
how they believed we would getto that place.
And so I took the bold step ofmaking a post about it.
There's been a few times in mylife where I was like, could
have done without that.
Um because, you know, even me intrying to say such a thing as
we're actually more similar thanwe are different.
(33:06):
At the core, we actually wantthe same things.
It's amazing how how stronglypeople will just cling to
believing that everybody's justso different, or they're out to
get them, or they're thosepeople over there are the
problem and they're bad andwrong.
It's like, you know, there it'sso much identity that comes up
into it.
You know, it's almost it'salmost scarier to let go and
(33:27):
live in that space ofsurrendered vulnerability in a
certain way.
It's it's like this illusion ofcontrol to look at the
differences.
And I think it's a reallybeautiful opportunity that we
have here to consider that ifwe're more similar than we are
different, then what's possiblethere?
What's possible if we stop, asyou said, kind of paying
attention or looking at theknee-jerk reaction differences,
(33:51):
but we dig deeper and weactually seek to find the
similarities.
We actually put attention andintention into that.
SPEAKER_02 (33:58):
You know, when when will we just realize that we are
all the human race?
Every single one of us.
I don't care where you're fromor what you look like or what
language you speak.
We are all human beings.
SPEAKER_03 (34:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (34:16):
And I can't believe that that's not enough to bring
us together.
You know, I've often said, youknow, all we just need is an
extraterrestrial invasion.
SPEAKER_01 (34:29):
I think Bill Clinton said this too.
SPEAKER_02 (34:31):
And and and then maybe we'll get our shit
together and work together for acommon cause.
SPEAKER_01 (34:38):
I'm sure they're working on this false flag
attack that you're right.
So that's yeah.
Anyway, I'm not gonna go there.
We're not going spiritually.
No.
SPEAKER_00 (34:49):
Well, let's let's let's let's steer back to um
your journey.
And I I'm really I'm reallyintrigued by how you had some
incredible experiences, youknow, getting to be a part of a
band that is um there'ssomething special about that
because uh I think you youreally have to learn to team,
(35:11):
learn to compromise, learn toget along.
Uh and you know, just havingcarrying with you the the gift
and the learnings that came fromuh dealing with with music and
with uh with sound as a medium.
SPEAKER_03 (35:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (35:29):
Uh and it seems like you've gotten to explore some
incredible things, uh a placethat's kind of uh something that
I'm discovering.
Um, and that is um uh just howthings work within the body or
how to be in touch with thebody.
And you know, just fulldisclosure, um something that
(35:53):
that Maddox and I talk aboutvery often because he's very
oriented toward how he feels andhow he thinks.
It's something that's very hardfor me to grasp uh because I've
had a lot of experiences thatmade it uh very unsafe for me to
um be anything other than uhstoic or to uh present in a way
(36:18):
that is uh as devoid of emotionas possible.
SPEAKER_02 (36:23):
I've never we've never talked about this aspect
of it, Dwight, but do yoususpect that part of what you're
describing is you went throughso many things that made you
unsafe.
What was it hard to inhabit yourown body for the just because of
the safety issue?
You know, that disassociationthing that we can do sometimes
(36:44):
where we're not present in ourown body?
SPEAKER_00 (36:48):
Um there were probably there were a lot of
moments where I had to I Idefinitely had to be somewhere
else to be I had to be someoneelse.
I mean when I was uh when I wasdealing with um all of the all
(37:09):
of the um incredible pressurethat came from having to hide in
plain sight during don't ask,don't tell and being
interrogated on a daily basis bya defense intelligence agent.
That was really tough because Iknew that the the reason that I
(37:31):
was in that room was becausethey'd done their work and they
had me cornered.
They'd talked to everyone I hadever known in the the prior
decade, and they knew that therewas uh an issue, but the problem
was they couldn't do anythingabout it because they needed me
to self-disclose.
They needed me to say that yes,I'm a gay man.
(37:52):
Yes, I've done gay things, andum I knew enough to uh uh get in
touch with my own uh resourcesto uh mount a uh counter defense
and um that was yeah, that thatwas uh an intense time for me.
(38:13):
Yeah, sounds like it sounds veryintense.
SPEAKER_03 (38:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (38:21):
But um I again I I I really wanted to just kind of
see how it is that you you gotto explore what it was to um
investigate how it is that youcould um use sound uh to heal
the body.
SPEAKER_01 (38:43):
Yeah, I mean I have gone through a lot of phases
with my own body.
Um I think I was pretty jammedup when I was young, didn't have
a lot of access.
I think I've always been a verysensitive person, and so when
I'm in environments that areunsafe or volatile or you know,
(39:06):
just not in my highest, I tendto you know just hold on to a
lot and and and then I'lldisassociate as well.
So I've had to, you know, I'vehad to work with that a lot, but
I think it's been just a naturalprogression because I, you know,
I've studied a lot of differentorientations to healing, um, a
(39:28):
lot of therapeutic models, um, alot of relational models, a lot
of you know, kind of psychedelicmodels and um and a lot of
movement-based stuff.
I'm I'm really into I love todance and I love sport and I
love you know movement in mybody.
And it's just really suchamazing medicine for me that it
(39:49):
really helped me to begin to seehow you know distinctly linked
everything is, that nothingexists in a vacuum, the idea of
just purely talk therapy or orjust purely like run it out, you
know, or or whatever.
You know, there's there has tobe an integration of all these
pieces.
And when I started working withsound in a deeper way and having
(40:11):
a better understanding of how Iwas impacting, you know, myself
and others' experience throughthe types of sound journeys that
I would create or using my voiceor all these things, but then I
started pairing it with thesecoaching protocols and these
processes and these statechanges, and I started to, you
know, it kind of started toemerge as this thing.
So, you know, part of the thisproduct, it's not just music,
(40:35):
it's actual sound vibration.
So you're laying on it and it'sand it's vibrating your whole
body with these sound waves, andit's not like a subtle thing,
it's like being massaged withsound waves, and there's so many
aspects of sound specificallythat support healing.
You you know, there it takes alittle bit of extrapolation, um,
(40:57):
which I'm I love to do.
So I I generally, you know, I'vethere's a lot of scientific
information and research thatshows all these different
aspects of sound.
And then if you just extrapolateit, usually just about one step
further, you can see how allthese things pair together and
create a perfect environment forreleasing trauma or opening up
(41:19):
the body or getting the nervoussystem back into regulation or
moving energy out that doesn'tneed to be there anymore, all
these different pieces.
And it's really just been ajourney, um, a continued
journey.
I'm I'm always still discoveringwhen when I made the Z5, one
thing I said about it was thatthis product was the infinite, I
(41:41):
mean, I'm sorry, the finite partof this whole thing.
But the the the soundexperiences, the kind of
creations that we can make toalter brain states and alter the
nervous system and alterconsciousness and emotions and
thinking patterns and even ourspirituality in a certain way,
it's absolutely infinite.
(42:02):
There's no limit to thecapabilities and the discoveries
that can be made through thatprocess.
And that really excites me.
I need something that I don'tget bored with.
SPEAKER_00 (42:16):
Well, it it sounds amazing.
I I as you're describing this,I'm just thinking about how it's
kind of the uh inevitable nextstep with certain things because
I know that for years we've usedsound in the way that we tell
stories.
Right?
I mean, no one will ever forgetwhat it was like to watch Psycho
(42:41):
and hear that uh particulartrack that they played as the
shower curtain came down.
You know, we we know what it'slike to um to be to be moved by
a soundtrack in a movie.
And whether it's uh a singableDisney tune or it's one of those
(43:03):
things that's uh uh giving youthat heads up that something
bad's about to happen in aflasher.
Like we we get to experiencethat, but then there's another
extreme where we see soundapplied for things like um using
supersonic sound gun to break upscar tissue.
(43:25):
Yep.
And you know, I I can see howthis is definitely along that
continuum.
This is um applying um it's uhapplying the science, and this
is uh this is really somethingto to be proud of.
Yeah, thank you.
SPEAKER_01 (43:42):
Thank you.
It's definitely a mixture ofscience and art.
I I call it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (43:51):
Well, I was just thinking about how music,
whether it's you know, myfavorite dance tune or
soundtrack to one of my favoritemovies, it just has the ability
to literally transform, youknow, my my state of being as I
(44:11):
I listen to it.
Um yeah, it it I I don't spend alot of time thinking about that,
but in this conversation, I'mreally like thinking about how I
can just hear some of thesoundtrack for The Chronicles of
(44:32):
Narnia, which is a movie'smovies that really, really touch
me on a really, really deeplevel.
And um, sometimes tears willjust stream down my face.
Just and I've heard the song amillion times, and I've watched
all three of the movies so manytimes I've lost count.
And yet it still moves me everytime.
(44:53):
It's not diminished in any, ifanything, it's maybe gotten more
intense as I go farther into it.
Um, but yes, yes, it's it's verytransformative.
SPEAKER_01 (45:05):
Yeah, I mean, what what you're ultimately
describing is an altered state,you know, it alters your state.
And we we usually sub, you know,kind of uh reserve that term for
meaning kind of like a you know,kind of out of it altered state.
But really, all it means is it'staking your state from one and
putting it into another, right?
It's altering your state.
So what you're speaking to iswhat is one of the core reasons
(45:28):
why this is so powerful andeffective, because we are
impacted by sound and music insuch a way that you know we can
measure the impacts of, but wecan't understand it to begin
with, if that makes any sense.
It's kind of like electricity inthat way.
We we can measure electricity,but we don't actually fully know
what it what the heck is this.
SPEAKER_02 (45:50):
I I think that there is an element of memory
involved.
Of course.
This is just coming to me rightin the moment.
You know, if I laid on yoursound table and listened to
vibrations that I've never heardbefore, yes, there's no memory
attached to it.
SPEAKER_01 (46:05):
Correct.
SPEAKER_02 (46:05):
It's just what it is in that moment.
But in that moment when I'm justcompletely enveloped in, say,
one of the tracks from theNarnia movies.
SPEAKER_03 (46:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (46:16):
Um, it's the the memory of the scene and the
scene, how the scene emotionallyimpacted me in that moment.
And it brings it, it puts meright back in that space, yeah,
with a pretty significant amountof um intensity.
SPEAKER_01 (46:36):
Yeah.
It's it's really well said, andit's actually an important point
because what we're intending todo is create such a new state
environment, such a new alteredstate experience that it opens
up a space for a new world toemerge within you.
And so we actually spend a lotof time in the in the full
(46:56):
methodology process that I have,it's about a two-hour long
session.
And for the first hour, hour and15 minutes, we're exploring
things that are happening, kindof a coaching kind of dynamic.
But what we're doing is we'retrying to find something that we
can take and seed into thatmoment.
So when we're in the Z5experience, after a couple of
(47:18):
minutes, you know, you're kindof getting into it, you're
feeling it.
This is new.
I don't know what's going tohappen next musically or
vibrationally or anything.
But eventually your body willlet go and your mind will let go
and you drop into these states.
And in those states, you're opento any suggestion.
I mean, this is an amazing placeto be when it's used with
(47:40):
reverence, respect for what wedo.
But what we do is we don't wedon't do it for you.
We we facilitate you doing itfor yourself.
So when we're doing the processof trying to find where you want
to be, what what future memorydo you want to create?
Is what we're kind of exploring.
(48:01):
And not only is it up in here,but we have you find it in your
entire body, and then using yourbody, you transmit that through
your voice.
You're just sending your, youknow, we we have this idea that
we're saying words, but we'rejust saying like it's just all
sounds and noise and shape, butwe have agreed what these shapes
(48:23):
mean.
So we can use words and languageand we transmit them, we record
them, and when you drop intothat state, we send that back in
and we start to repattern yoursubconscious belief patterns
with your own words.
We're basically sendingsubliminal messages into the
music, but they're yours,they're your frequency, your
words, your ideas, yourfeelings, everything.
(48:44):
So you get to create a futurememory from that experience.
SPEAKER_02 (48:49):
With these future memories, is there an element of
manifestation here?
SPEAKER_01 (48:54):
Yeah, you could say that.
You could definitely say that,and it can be used in that
direction.
That comes down to theorientation of both the
individual participant andperhaps the kind of angling of
the facilitator.
So, but yes, it's definitelymanifestation in a certain way.
SPEAKER_02 (49:11):
Well, and and I want to say with a clarifier, because
I think there's a lot of theworld when you say
manifestation, people think ofthe new house, the new car, the
new job, and the big income.
And I'm talking aboutmanifestation on a deeper level,
like like, you know, saying,wow, I I want to, because a lot
(49:34):
of our conversation is aboutbecoming, I want to become X, Y,
Z.
SPEAKER_01 (49:39):
Right.
SPEAKER_02 (49:39):
You know, I I want to be somebody not negating who
I am now, just wanting to growand be more than I am now.
And so it's a manifestation of amore of a being rather than a
getting or receiving or yeah,just much deeper level.
SPEAKER_01 (49:59):
Well, and I would also just to offer something,
you're actually what you'remanifesting there is a want.
So you're manifesting the wantto be something.
It's a it's a subtle difference,but what you're saying to the
universe, let's say, is I want.
And the universe goes, Great,I'm gonna keep you in a place
(50:20):
where you want, not in a placewhere you be.
So it's a you know, and thenthis is one of the fascinating
things of this process of likehow we speak to ourselves, how
we speak to in our prayers orour manifestation or our
intentions, every little detailreally matters.
And so when we say, I want thatnew car, then the universe says,
(50:41):
Great, I'm gonna give you lotsof opportunities to want that
new car instead of or if I wantto be this, that, and the other.
You're gonna get an opportunityto get exactly what you said.
So it could be more like, so I'mI'm I'm just kind of going down
this rabbit hole because I Ihave a little bit of a fetish
around this because I do it allthe time with my clients.
But it's it's an important pieceto remember that what what I
(51:04):
what I like to focus on is notabout let's have something be
different.
What I generally want to invitemy clients into is release
resistance out of their field.
So moving into what I might callsomething more akin to a
non-dual state.
The typical approach forsomebody wanting to manifest
(51:24):
something is that they don'tappreciate or want what they
have.
It's a subtle thing, and it'snot always 100%, but there is
usually a subtlety of resistingwhat is.
And resistance in the fielddoesn't yield.
You know what I mean?
So we when we're resist, when werelease these pieces of
(51:46):
resistance, then our bodies, ourminds, our hearts, the field
around us that is creating allof this world finds a better way
to do it because we are not,it's just reflecting us all the
time.
So if we're not pleased withwhat we have, it's not about us
doing more, trying more,manifesting more.
It's actually about clearing thepathway for something to move
(52:09):
more organically and moreholistically.
SPEAKER_02 (52:12):
I I don't know where I got this, but for many, many
years I have believed that whenit is when I'm completely okay
with where I am right here andright now is when it's okay to
be someplace else.
Love that.
SPEAKER_01 (52:26):
Love that.
SPEAKER_02 (52:26):
Which is another word way of you know what you
said about letting go of theresistance and just being okay
with what is.
SPEAKER_01 (52:36):
Yes, absolutely.
It's perfect.
Thank you for exemplifying whatI said earlier about my
long-winded form in themarketing language.
SPEAKER_02 (52:47):
Oh, this is amazing.
You know, we are starting to runa little thin on time, and
there's still two more thingsthat I really want to get to
before we wrap up.
And so we may have to cliff noteit, but in and you can speak to
this in whatever time frame youwant, whether it's your your
whole creative journey, whetherit's back at the time with the
(53:08):
bands, or whether it's now withyour your sound technology.
But how does community play arole in your creative journey?
SPEAKER_01 (53:20):
That's a great question.
Um well, on one hand, I wouldsay I really love I don't like
creating alone.
I love creating with people.
So community vested and focusedon a singular goal or a mutual
(53:40):
benefit of some sort, there is away that I absolutely adore
that.
Um so if we're looking atcreativity like very
specifically, I would say thatmy favorite thing is to create
with other like minds.
The band was an emergentexperience.
The people who came online andcame on board to help me with
(54:01):
Soma Live and the Z5 was allemergent.
None of this, I mean, I wastaking steps, but I would take a
step towards something.
But the thing that wouldactually come in to do to solve
the problem that I was trying tosolve would be from some angle
that I could never have guessed.
And I'm so grateful for the who,the who that made it all happen.
But something that I want tospeak to about community more
(54:23):
specifically is my experienceover the last couple of years
when I was really deep in thestartup phase of this, of this
work, and I was I had moved awayfrom my the one, there's one,
there's really one place that Ifeel the most community, like
held by a greater community, andthat's actually in Western
Massachusetts.
And I had been living here forabout four or five years, and
(54:47):
when I got the initial kind ofpush, you know, the funding to
kind of go for Soul Alive as abigger thing than just this
project, I moved and I went toCalifornia and then I went back
to Texas.
And during that time period, Ididn't have much community.
And it wasn't until a littleways into there that I started
(55:10):
to realize that my health wasstarting to go downhill, my just
general joy was starting todeteriorate.
Um I didn't know total, I knew Iwas stressed, but I was like,
but this this seems more thanthat.
(55:30):
And it wasn't until I came backand visited some friends and
spent some time.
And I mean, I get back and I'minvited to three parties, and I
another friend's like, come overand perform music for this
contact improvisation jam.
And oh, by the way, I've gotthis project I'm working on.
Can you come help me with this?
This, you know, just all this,like right when I get here, all
this integration of people, justyou know, in the scene these
(55:51):
interactions.
And I realized how much itshifted how I felt, and it
opened up all this creativity.
I felt inspired again, you know.
And so for me, whether or notthat community is specifically
integrated with what I'm whatI'm working on, the fact that
(56:12):
they exist around me serves whatI'm working on because it gives
me the juice, it gives me themeaning almost.
Like I that the meaning has tobe about people, the people that
are important to me.
Hopefully, a family one day as agreater community, even.
But that is so crucial to me.
(56:33):
I can't do it without it.
And honestly, what's the point?
Honestly, what's the point?
SPEAKER_02 (56:38):
Oh my god, so well said.
You get a gold star, you getfive gold stars.
SPEAKER_01 (56:42):
I love gold stars.
SPEAKER_02 (56:43):
I mean, you're doing it right.
Um, wow.
Well, you know, for the for thelong-winded stuff you did
earlier, you just made up forit.
Perfect.
Okay, so the the last point thatthat I want to touch on is you
(57:07):
you are where you are now, andyou can look back, you know, to
see who you had to be, who youwere that got you where you are
right now.
And we've all heard this.
What got you here won't get youthere.
And so I guess my question is,you know, what we we make pit
(57:32):
stops.
I I think that life is very muchlike a race car track, you know.
You don't ever it, you just keepgoing.
You just keep going around, butyou you make pit stops from time
to time.
And a pit stop is maybe a maybeyou reach a certain goal.
You have this goal and you getthere.
But if if we've if any of ushave ever gotten to the goal,
(57:56):
we'd realize that it lasts aboutanywhere from 10 minutes to two
weeks.
And then we're like, well, isthat it?
You know, and we're we'relooking for the next thing.
It was just we're we're wiredfor that.
So, you know, pit stops, andthen we we move on.
So what is your next step?
(58:18):
And who will you need to become?
Not what will you be need tocome need to become, who will
you need to become to get tothat next pit stop?
SPEAKER_01 (58:29):
Yeah, great question.
Great question.
So what the next pit stop is, atleast in the ways that I imagine
it to be, but I also know that Iset my vision or my intention
and my imagining of what it canbe.
And then I leave a lot of roomfor it to show me what it's
(58:51):
gonna be because I have a veryfeeble uh mind and idea of what
I think it should be.
And so my imagining though, whatI what I would love to see, what
I would love to see is Soma Livetaking off and impacting many
people, having, you know,serving from this very high kind
of exclusive level, so to speak,that we're at, this kind of
(59:13):
high-end level.
I want to really serve thepractitioner work and bring that
out into the world.
And I want to even bring in someconsumer level products, but I
really want to see more and morepeople have this transformation.
I want to, I want us to stewardsomatic sound therapy as a
professionally recognizedmethodology and intervention for
(59:33):
healing and transformation.
That's the goal, that's what Iwant to see.
I'm looking forward to the who,the next whos that will come in
to support the next step becausewe're we we feel like we're at
that edge where we're ready forthe next step where it's about
to take forward.
So I'm really excited for that.
To answer the question of who doI need to become?
(59:55):
I love this question because Irecently um was at an event and
I heard this amazing man speak.
His name is David Bayer, andhe's kind of like a Tony Robbins
kind of guy, but a little bit alittle bit softer, a little bit
sweeter.
Brilliant.
Uh very, very brilliant.
I just just just the kind of manthat you just kind of fall in
(01:00:16):
love with, you know.
Um if that's if if you're intothese types of like spiritual,
but also like mindset, reallyfocused.
Things that just reallybeautifully said.
And something that he spokereally struck me.
And I've been kind of mulling itaround up until that point, but
I didn't have the words for it.
And he said so many times whenwe are moving down the pathway
(01:00:41):
of life, and we're wanting to,you know, paraphrasing obviously
in my words now.
Yeah.
Um, when we move down thepathway of life and we're moving
on to the next thing, ourgeneral, like interestingly
enough, what we generally thinkof is adding.
We need to become this, I needto do this, I need to start.
I gotta get my cold plunge, andI gotta get the supplements and
(01:01:02):
I gotta do the thing.
And while those are all sobeneficial, the things that
usually keep us back are notgoing to be solved by adding.
It's actually going to be solvedby subtracting.
What do we need to let go of tobecome more of who we truly are?
Because that's what this journeyis all about, anyway.
And so for me, in my life, it'smore about letting go of the
(01:01:26):
parts of me that I put intoplace thinking they were
supposed to be there, thinkingthat they were necessary for me
to become X, Y, and Z, or justas a protective mechanism, an
antiquated process to protectmyself in some way that we like
to call something likeself-sabotage or whatever name
we put on it.
But so for me, it's like I'm I'minterested in becoming just who
(01:01:48):
I truly am on a spirit level, ona soul level, the expression of
my authentic self in whateverway that presents, and trusting
that anything else that I try toshove in there to make myself be
something else is addingresistance to the system.
So I'm removing all thatresistance and saying, I'm here
(01:02:12):
for this life, I'm available forwhat wants to come next.
I'll ride that wave, I'll surfthat wave, and I'm excited for
it, and I'm grateful for it, andmy life is amazing, and I
wouldn't want any other one.
So um so I'll just keepsurrendering and keep putting
down the things that I don'thave to carry anymore to become
(01:02:34):
more of who I am.
SPEAKER_02 (01:02:36):
You know, you're you're calling out something
that I think it's one of thoseunconscious things again, you
know.
Like I will set um, I'll set anintention.
Like I'm I'm real big onintention bracelets and
intention necklaces, and I'vehad several, and and it's always
(01:02:57):
just one thing at a time.
You know, my my first one was abracelet that said the word
believe on it, because I setthis intention that I wanted to
fully believe in myself.
I realized that I didn't at thatmoment, and I wanted to believe
in myself.
And I wore that bracelet, butwere there things that I had to
(01:03:19):
let go of in order to believe inmyself?
Absolutely.
Did I consciously focus on thosethings?
No, I didn't.
And I might have gotten therefaster if I had.
You know, I might have foundthat belief faster if I had.
I mean, anything that we want tobe, we got to look at what
(01:03:40):
stinking thinking we got on gotgoing on inside of us that's
keeping us from being that.
You know, my latest thing isaudacity.
Necklace right here saysaudacity.
I want to be bold.
And um, you know, there aredefinitely things that I've had
to release and let go of.
(01:04:03):
And it hadn't necessarily beeneasy, but I haven't really
thought about it consciously orfocused on.
And so the beautiful part ofthis conversation, I think, is
realizing that when we candecide what we want to be,
whatever it is, believe or uhaudacious, uh audacious, yeah,
(01:04:27):
then the next question is whatdo I need to leave behind?
What do I need to release?
What a great question.
And really write it down andstart to let it go.
SPEAKER_01 (01:04:40):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (01:04:41):
And there's a wealth of things out there that are
about letting go and you know,help us do that.
But we can also make it way morecomplicated than it needs to be.
SPEAKER_01 (01:04:52):
Yeah, we'd love to do that.
I totally agree.
I think writing down is aamazing thing because it's easy,
you know, because it what I'lljust say is it's so easy to be
in the groove of who we've been.
SPEAKER_02 (01:05:07):
I I love what you're saying though about just being
myself.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's it's a different wayto look at it.
But you know, at the same time,that self that we be, we we
fully get to decide what thatis.
SPEAKER_01 (01:05:26):
Yeah, yeah, in many ways, yes.
SPEAKER_02 (01:05:29):
You know, I I think the only and I I think you have
a handle on this because of allthe work you've done.
But I think that for a lot ofpeople to say, I want to let go
of everything that keeps me frombeing just being me, myself,
they don't know what that selfis.
SPEAKER_01 (01:05:47):
Sure.
SPEAKER_02 (01:05:48):
Yeah.
And that's where the the trickypart comes in.
SPEAKER_01 (01:05:51):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (01:05:52):
You've done a lot of discovery work to discover who
you are on that inner level.
I've done a lot of discoverywork, but the average bear
probably hasn't.
SPEAKER_01 (01:06:05):
Well, let me help.
Come see me for some Z5sessions.
SPEAKER_02 (01:06:10):
There'll be a link in the show notes.
SPEAKER_01 (01:06:14):
Beautiful.
Oh no.
You know, but seriously, youknow, it's like I think you're
absolutely right.
There is a sense of discovery,discovery and finding.
And and uh, you know, sometimesit is easier to find what isn't
first.
You know, we tend to find what'snot quicker than we find what
is.
And it's almost like um, well,it's like you know, a sculpture
(01:06:38):
in a certain way, you know,we're we're we're cutting away
what isn't to find what is.
So I think a great place tostart for anybody that is
curious about what is, is likewhat truly feels open and fluid
in the body, you know, like whena certain experience is
happening where somebody speaksto you in a certain way, or when
(01:06:59):
you're in a certain environment,you're listening or whatever,
listening to a certain type ofmusic, whatever it is, like if
it feels good, like if it feelstruly good, healthy good, like
open, if you feel yourselfopening more, it's probably a
really good sign.
If it feels tightening, ifyou're if you feel uneasy, if
(01:07:19):
you feel like there's if youconsider that your body is just
a channel of energy, and youfeel like there are spots in it
where that energy cannot flow,there's resistance in that
space, it's probably somethingto take a look at.
SPEAKER_02 (01:07:33):
Oh, yes, the body keeps the score as the book says
keeps the score, Cecil Vanderko.
I was at a party.
We were at a party, Chris, abirthday party slash Halloween
party last Saturday night, and Iwas having a similar
conversation with a woman at theparty, and I said, you know,
it's a shame that most peopledon't really understand that you
(01:07:54):
get to be anybody you want tobe.
SPEAKER_03 (01:07:56):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (01:07:56):
This thought that we got dealt this kind of this, you
know, hand of cards and we can'tchange it is bullshit.
We get to be anybody we want tobe.
And she said, But how do youknow or figure out who you want
to be?
And nobody'd ever asked me thatquestion before.
And in that moment, it was like,you know, that voice you said
(01:08:20):
that spoke to you?
It just came in and it gentlyjust whispered right in my ear
and it came right out of mymouth.
And I said, I this has nevercome out of my mouth before.
And I said, You just look aroundyou, there's examples
everywhere.
You look at this friend overhere and you say, Wow, I love
(01:08:41):
that about Joe Blow.
Yeah, what is it?
Well, he's he's really, reallycompassionate.
He's such a compassionate humanbeing.
I want to be compassionate.
Now you've figured out oneaspect of who you want to be,
and you just continue looking.
There's examples all around uswhere we can say, yes, instead
(01:09:02):
of saying, yes, I want thatLamborghini, yes, I want that
five-story house, you say, Yes,I want that courage, yes, I I
want that sense of belonging.
SPEAKER_01 (01:09:12):
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I'd love to feel good than havethings.
I'd love to enjoy this life.
That's kind of my foundationalthing.
Does it feel good?
Does this make me enjoy my life?
Like there's plenty ofsuffering.
I can do that all day.
Everybody's, we're all so goodat that.
SPEAKER_02 (01:09:33):
But I I've been studying art and taking art
classes, and one of myinstructors said focus on the
things that bring you joy.
It was so simple.
SPEAKER_03 (01:09:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_02 (01:09:48):
It doesn't matter what it is, focus on the things
that bring you joy.
It could be some things.
It could be people, it could be,it could be anything.
Travel, it could be certainlocations, it could be certain
food, it doesn't certain songs.
Focus on things that bring youjoy.
And I I it just hit me.
(01:10:09):
I thought, oh my God, that is sofucking simple.
SPEAKER_01 (01:10:12):
Yep.
And whatever you focus onamplifies.
So here you go.
And when you know, so when youfocus on the good, the good gets
better.
SPEAKER_02 (01:10:21):
Yes, it does.
SPEAKER_01 (01:10:22):
I'm gonna keep doing that.
SPEAKER_02 (01:10:26):
Sean Patrick, this has been amazing.
I knew it would be.
I had no doubt.
You you brought the goods, baby.
SPEAKER_01 (01:10:35):
Great.
I'm so glad.
SPEAKER_02 (01:10:39):
Anything that you would like to say or any words
of wisdom you would like toimpart on our listeners before
we wrap?
SPEAKER_01 (01:10:46):
No, I think I've droned on enough, but I just
want to thank you both, uh,Maddox and Dwight.
Thank you so much for having meon.
Maddox, you know, I love you somuch.
And you know, we've been in eachother's lives for all these
years now, and I'm so grateful,and I'm so grateful to be here
and be on your podcast.
And Dwight, it's so amazing tomeet you and uh really love your
energy.
But I just want to thank youboth for having me on here.
(01:11:08):
It's been really sweet to havethis conversation.
SPEAKER_02 (01:11:10):
I love you too, my friend.
You have brought so much into mylife.
So grateful for our friendship.
SPEAKER_00 (01:11:18):
And we're looking forward to uh getting to spend
uh a lot more meaningful timewith you in years to come.
SPEAKER_02 (01:11:26):
Absolutely.
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