Beyond The Veil: Untangling Humanity's Spiritual Inheritance

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, that was crazy.
I did not expect that.
That was ridiculous.
There was nothing thatindicated in any way that that
needed to be done.
But whatever, I don't eventhink about it.
I just want to focus on whatwe've got in front of us and be
grateful for what we have.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
I definitely have questions I can pitch to you too
.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
I said for anybody, I didn't say who they had to be
from.
You have access to me more thansome of these other people
because of a podcast, be sure,but that's more.
You know more than you're morethan welcome to do that with it.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
But since fjorn fjorn is, uh, not someone who's here
all the time with that, I'mgoing to give him the floor
first for questions I mean, Itried to come up with some
questions, but I don't know howbased they are or how good
they'll be, and they're mainlyjust speculative.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
so we'll see I guess.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Let me know when I should start asking them.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
You can start whenever you want to brother,
very casual, very casual forthis particular thing with it.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
All right, let me see .
I guess the first one I couldask is what part of the soul do
you think the Philia is like anexpression of?
Do you think the philia is likea expression of?
Do you think it's part of theself or part of another, or is
it somehow like both?
So that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah, so this is where the nordic tradition gets
a little complicated.
For what it is, they havemultiple different parts that
are all considered to be part ofour self and that kind of thing
.
It seems to be nine.
This is what they've kind ofagreed upon with the various
different traditions, but it's alittle debated exactly what
those nine are.
So one of them that nobodydisputes in any way, shape or

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form is the lick, the physicalbody.
On that particular front, forit, very straightforward, very
obvious.
The problem is is that in thephoebia, also known as the
follower or the fetch, inside ofother traditions you know,
mainly various different Celtic,slash, gaelic, britonic ones it
has where it falls intomultiple categories of things.

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So an example of this is thatSnorri refers to them as
personal Norns.
So now, is it a Norn, is it aTheogia, or there is a
difference between the two?
That Glyoga, or there is adifference between the two.
We also see in the storieswhere some of them are referred
to as like female ancestors orlike female entities of some
sort, but then at other timesit's also to where it's like a

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bear, literally a bear thatshows up for what it is or like
a raven or some other animalthat comes into it and that kind
of stuff.
Are these bears and these ravensor whatever else that there is,
wolves and all these otherthings that can be?
Are they just an expression ofthat particular uh fugue, or is
it uh like, uh like the huger?

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You know the intent of the mind, uh, and that kind of stuff,
for what's going on andunfortunately, there is, from
what I can tell, no 100definitive answer.
What I can answer for you onthat front, though, is that the
nine different parts of the selfregardless of which variants
that there are with it because,again, some of them change a

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little bit from tradition,tradition or interpretation by
scholar to scholar is that they.
One of the main ones is thehominia, right, but the hominia
isn't actually a part of theself.
It's kind of the combination ofall the other parts combined,
and it's what your totalexpression is of that, and so

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this is.
It gets in these weirdcategories because of the.
When you read the poetic eddaspecifically, that it's also.
They're also part of the deuce,like the deuce here, the
multiple female goddesses andentities, which also include
giants.
They also include the fugue,they include the norns, they
include all these other thingswith it, and so the female
entities are the mostmisunderstood because of that,

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and it's also where we, asmoderns, like everything to be
compartmentalized in a box andvery nice to find and whatnot.
That's not how it worked forour ancient ancestors
specifically, and so a big partof it had to do with the soul
and how they perceived it.
You can see this with.
Like valkyries, too, they couldalso be technically fugitives

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for certain people or not, andwhen they play out.
So it's very difficult,unfortunately, to know exactly
what their roles are and howthey played with things, but
they definitely made it so thatway.
You know, we have a lot ofinformation on that deeper into
the concept of the fugia, if youlike, uh, and what we know

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about it specifically.
That depends on how deep indepth you want me to go.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
I don't care, I have all the time in the world right
now.
That's why I'm as in depth asyou want to go.
Really, that's great, yeah thatmakes sense.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
There is certain stories I forget which one this
was is it's one of the sagas,which one specifically it is but
like it had to do with thisyoung boy who he has these two
parents that they claim to behis parents.
This is an important part.

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They claim to be his parentsand there is this man there who
has the second sight so he cansee into the other realm to a
certain extent and he can seelike the fugla.
They can see what they are andhis parents.
I forget exactly what they have, but they have like these
low-level fuglas and whatnot.
So they're based upon hierarchyof like the clans and like the
various different groups ofpeople and that kind of stuff.
So like some people can evenhave multiple fugla.

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The more powerful you are, thatyour Hamingia is and that all
your stuff with it is, the morepowerful your fugula is going to
be.
And what you have on thatparticular level is that like he
has this giant white bear thatbelongs to this young boy but

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his parents have, you know,stuff that's not of any
consequence whatsoever andbecause of that the guy with the
second sight is very much likeI don't think these are his
actual parents, and then hewaits for him.
It doesn't add up because itdoesn't fit for that, and so he
calls out, meaning the guy withthe second sight to the bear,
and the bear gets so startled atthis particular notion that it

(06:05):
stops in its tracks and the boytrips and falls.
So this fugue is so powerfulthat, according to the story,
the saga it making it so thatway, he's tripping over
something that's supposed to bein another realm of existence
and how much impact it has on it.
Just to showcase how powerfulthis young man's fuga is and

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whatnot.
When I say young, I mean likeyounger than you we're talking
like you know.
He's like into 12 years old atthis stage, or something like
that.
That's awesome.
So you have that component forwhat's going on.
You also have where they'reobviously seen as female
entities.
Now you have to understand that,not just in the Nordic
tradition or even just theIndo-European tradition for this
particular matter, that theyhave a seen category and an

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unseen category.
We would probably put it todayas exoteric and esoteric.
All right.
If it was masculine, it wouldbe in the exoteric category.
All right.
Why?
Because men were the firstthings that you saw.
You see this with the Nordictradition very easily.
Because they would be thetraders.
They would be the ones thatwent out and did the raiding and

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they would be the ones thatprotect the village and all that
other stuff where the womenwere hidden away inside of the
villages.
They were made it so that waythey weren't as that way they
were protected.
They were made it so that way.
They weren't as that way theywere protected.
They were the inner core.
That doesn't mean that womenwere less important, especially
in the Bronze Age of the Nordicculture and that kind of stuff,
and even in the Viking Age theystill had importance for what

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was going on.
We're trying to explain howthis was set up inside of a
warrior ethos that was going onwith that, and that the women
were guarded, they wereprotected to a certain extent
for what was going on.
There was logistical reasons forthis, of course, too.
Very simply put, you can havealmost all your men die and only
have a handful left, and youcan repopulate the village if

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the entire female entities orthe entire female populations
are left and whatnot.
But if it's the reverse, yourtribe is going to die, your clan
is going to die, your villageis going to die.
Right verse your tribe is goingto die, your clan is going to
die, your village is going todie, right, you can't have that
happen.
So that there's practicalreasons for this too, that we're
going on with this.
But how this plays out in thepoetry and how this plays out

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inside of the stories andwhatnot, is that the male
characteristics are always putforth as something easy to
understand, easy to see,something that's manifested
easily, and so same thing withthe male gods in general, as the
same thing for the femaleentities.
They're harder to understandbecause they're more hidden,
just like the soul or some otherpart of an individual is, or

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the fugue that would be.
Hence why it's attached to thefemale characteristics and ideas
.
For the poetry, it's the sameconcept for what's going on.
It also has to do with the factthat you know, when you look at
the bicameral brain that wehave here for what's going on,
you have a masculine side and afeminine side, and the masculine
is very analytical and verylinear and wanting to put stuff

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in particular categories andsort things out, where the
feminine is much more all overthe place.
But it gives insights, it givesintuition, it gives creativity,
something that the other sidedoes not have, any thing that it
can deal with, and so it's muchmore hidden in that regard with
it too, in terms of themysteries of how it worked.
And so when you combine allthis together, this is where you

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get some of the ideas from thestories.
This is where you get some ofthe ideas from the stories.
This is where you get some ofthe ideas from the spirituality,
and again, this is not just forthe Viking Age or the Viking
Era, or even just for the Nordicor Germanic peoples or even the
Indo-European peoples.
You can see this withpractically every group of
people for how they played itout when it came to this
particular stuff or what's goingon.

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So, taking this concept a littlefurther, you also see this with
, like Heimdall, heimdall hasnine mothers and that kind of
stuff, while right there we knowthat's already not possible in
terms of an actual physicalreality.
So we know we're not dealingwith the physical reality here.
We're dealing with somethingthat's much deeper, much bigger
and whatnot, and he's literallyknown, if you translate his name

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, as the Great World.
So he probably represents thephysical universe as a whole
when you start really deepdiving him into it.
Whereas whoever the personthat's at the very beginning of
the poetic Edda that Odin isspeaking to, where she says that
she's lived multiple lives andshe lived them at the beginning
of the universe and that she wasthere and raised among giants

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and all that other stuff with it, she probably represents the
soul of the universe and thatkind of thing.
And so this is where all thesekind of entities the fuga, the
valkyrie, the norn, etc.
They all kind of get put intoone category of having to deal
with fate and controlling theindividual's fate for what's

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going on with it.
Because fate is something thatyou can't really see or
comprehend in a direct sense,you can only do it in an
indirect sense and because ofthat it makes it so that way
that all the women entities, allthe female entities that we're
talking about here since there'sthis question was on the fugia
and that kind of thing alleventually stem from that one

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concept of having to do withthem, representing the internal
components of the world, of thesoul and the way that it works,
and fate that we can't possiblycomprehend, that are ineffable,
ineffable in some way or another.
So this is also part of thereason why it's so convoluted
and so difficult in order tounderstand these particular
concepts and why they're not sostraightforward inside of the

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Norse traditions as well forwhat's going on.
So I hope this gives a deeperand better understanding of how
all this kind of plays out andworks.
That's super interesting Anyquestions about anything that
I've brought up on this part.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Not particularly, actually.
I do have other questions aboutSure sure.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
I just meant that, before we move on to something
else as well.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
No, no, that was really interesting.
Yeah, I have to think aboutthat a bit more, but yeah, that
was awesome.
Thank you to think about that abit more, but yeah, that's
awesome thank you kind of.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
So anytime you see a male god and a female god, the
male god represents the like,let's say, the parents of
another god or yotnar orsomething like that.
The male represents the moreeasily understood and seen
aspect and the female representsthe more hidden, the more
dynamic, the more intuitiveaspect of things, the fate of

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that particular character.
Inside of the stories there arecertain structures like this
that pop up over and over againAgain.
This is not just for the Nordicor Germanic traditions or even
just the Indo-European.
You can see this in things thathave nothing to do with it.
You see this in Egyptian, likethe one that's behind me back
here, having the same thing withit.
They had nothing to do with theindo-europeans in any way,

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shape or form.
You can see this with the mayancultures.
To a certain extent obviouslyhad nothing to do with the
indo-europeans and whatnot.
This is a general formula thathas been used by humanity.
Maybe it's done where it's onegroup of people that's doing it,
or maybe it's just because it'sintuitive and you know, we all
share certain things andperceptions of reality, no
matter what it is.
I don't know the answer to thatparticular question.
That's impossible to know whatfor anybody, but that that's

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kind of where it comes from yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yeah, I really like that idea.
It makes a lot of sense and Ireally haven't phrased that,
that kind of um, that likebipolar kind of way.
You know the, the male andfemale being exoteric, esoteric.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Well, you see this, with uh, a lot of different uh
traditions, when you startstudying the occult and that
kind of thing, with the whichyou're young obviously, I mean
you're 17.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
I mean from what I've seen so far, a hundred percent.
You know it's easily observable.
It makes sense a lot 100.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
You know it's easily observable, makes sense a lot.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you'll startlearning this when you choose to
deep dive, anything that youwant to deep dive and whatnot.
I am not somebody who onlypulls from one tradition because
it makes it so.
That way, when you do that, youcan get really in depth with it
and really understand it.
But because unless it's aliving tradition, say like
hinduism or something like that,it's very difficult to
understand everything that isgoing to be inside of that

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tradition.
Where you don't have peoplewho've had wisdom to build up,
you have to rebuild that wisdom,and the best way to do that is
a comparative approach.
In my particular analysis,that's not just um surface level
comparative approach, though.
It's a deep dive, comparativeapproach of all the various
different traditions that candeal with that, or the symbols

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or whatever the deal is.
And when you start doing this,you start seeing a lot more of
the big picture for what it is,and I think that part other
people can do Like I'm not,that's not something that's
unique to me, and I'm not sayingthe next part is unique to me,
but it is something that's ararity in the western world that
allows me to help like seethese things better than the

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vast majority of people.
I was born and into a livingpagan tradition, in this case
veda, vedism and that kind ofstuff with it, and so that makes
it so.
That way I can see things thatother people can't see.
And I was also born with theWestern mindset, because not
only am I born in the Westernworld, but my father's parents,
they're atheists.
Very, very Western mindsetAtheists are agnostic.

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And then you have another sidewhich is Christian.
On my grandmother's side shewas Catholic, and then my
grandfather on my mother's sideit was Protestant.
So when you combine it you havetwo major worldviews that are
there, for you know the Westernworld, which is agnostics, last
atheism, and then you haveChristianity.
But then I also was exposed to athird one, which is of course,

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a cousin tradition of the Nordictraditions, and that makes it
so.
That way it's verystraightforward for me to be
able to jump from one way ofthinking to another.
So not only can I understand it, but because I understand the
other ways of thinking, I'm alsoable to explain it to other
people in a way that makes iteasier for them to digest and

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and whatnot.
That, at least that's how itseems to be for me, but it also
makes us that way.
I'm able to make theseintuitive leaps that other
people can't make and then goand back it up later with actual
research to do that if need be,whereas some people, they
wouldn't even bother making thatintuitive leap, they just say
that's not possible for what itis.
That are academics.
Yeah 100.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah, that's really interesting, thanks, well, what
about?

Speaker 2 (16:19):
what about kristen leather?
Last working multitaskingquestion do you've been wanting
to ask?

Speaker 4 (16:25):
I feel bad.
I really couldn't think ofanything good.
I felt like it was like I canhave like all the answers I
would like want and it's justlike overwhelming that I
couldn't think of a question.
I just figured I'd listen to myconversation.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
I'm glad that you think that I can give you all
the answers, but I'm flat outhere to tell you that that is
not something I am capable of.
I can help with a lot, but I amnot an all-knowing entity I
know I got overwhelmed.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
There's so many possibilities.
So I was like oh, let's listenin and maybe something will pop
into my head yeah, I had thesame issue trying to find that
happens.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, but I actually have a question I've wanted to
ask, nathaniel, since ourresearch kind of overlaps in in
some, some atmospheres.
It's not strictly a norse thingeither, but in the juridical
study that I'm doing, which isbased heavily or at least the
person I'm reading from is basedheavily off of the welsh
history and perspective,spirituality, all that sort of

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stuff which for all everyonewho's watching I mean druidry is
by all accounts a moderncreation that started in the
1800s, which christian you'dknow after reading some of the
material that I have as well.
But this revolves around thegrail which you bring up quite,
I think not quite frequently,but I think I'm going to be
bringing it up more and more astime goes on, but yes, so an

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interesting uh philosophy thatgoes through in this that well,
I guess you would call a livingspiritual practice, is that they
they make reference to thegrail as a form of the three
paths of um, the juridical um,the currents, basically.
Yeah, so there's the currents,there's the solar current, the

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talaric earth.
Yeah, so there's the currents,there's the solar current, the
Telerik Earth current, and thenthere's the combination of them
which forms the lunar currentand what that gets illustrated
as, which I'll try to show hereif it shows up.
They say that the illustrationis let's see if I can get it to
come in a little bit better, youcan kind of see it right here
is that it's the symbol of Earthand then it's a sun of earth

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and then it's a sun symbol andthen it's a crescent moon symbol
.
Right, is it coming up better?
Here I can see it which formthe great palace.
Yeah, so I just want to getlike a perspective that you
might have on understanding,because you've given the idea
that percival is pierce.
The veil goes into what we hadthe interview with, with john
talking about how kingship,lordship, chieftainship is.
Is the leader or the king, orthe sovereign right, all?

Speaker 1 (18:51):
the different parts of the constituents, people and
whatnot, the lower classes, themiddle classes and the higher
classes, in order for him to bethe king.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, he's also, it's him being of the land too right
like it's both connected to it.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
All that, yes, yes, of course.
So I wanted to get yourperspective.
The Wounded King idea that Iput out earlier too from the
Arthurian tradition.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yeah, I mean, I suppose that you see, in your
Arthurian tradition you see thatthe Telerik currents are
usually represented by thedueling dragons right, the red
and white dragons that arebeneath the earth.
Yeah right, the red and whitedragons that are beneath the
earth.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, I mean that that particular story is
something a little differentthere for what's going on, but
the concept that you're bringingup is the same for what it is.
There are taleric currents andthere are dragon serpentine like
things that are moving throughit and whatnot.
I mean, I'm not going to gointo what this is right now
because this would be a videotopic in and of itself, maybe
even longer for what it is, butthere is something to kind of

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help prove that concept for whatyou're talking about there.
If you go to concept if you goto like the taleric concept okay
, well then yeah, I would liketo know like snakes or whatever
the deal is with it.
Like saint patrick was knownfor getting rid of the snakes in
ireland, there are no physicalsnakes that have ever been
inside of ireland that arenative there.
So what the hell does thatactually mean and of course it

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has a much deeper meaning is thepoint for what it is Part of
what you're talking about isthat Part of it is a much deeper
thing that I'm not going to getinto here for what it is.
But yes, you're on the right.
Yes, I understand exactly whatyou're talking about and on the
right track for things with it.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
I can't hear you, yeah, sorry.
So with your perception of thegrail through the research that
you've done specifically inArthurian legend, how do you
view that?
What's that?
What's that symbol in yourresearch?

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Well, that's a bit complicated, and the reason why
it's complicated is because ofthe fact that there are so many
different like time periods ofstuff with it that we can pull
from.
Like example, you have theearlier stuff before the
christianity.
Christianity came and reallytook over ancient british isles
and that kind of stuff with it.
There was already influencethere for it, you know, but that

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hasn't taken over.
You can see this with like avery different perception of a
more pagan version of the grailand some of the welsh stuff that
you're talking about there.
And you can see this with theirish, the Tuatha Dé Danann, and
they have grail-like thingsthat are inside of their
tradition as well.
But then you also have themedieval one that shows up later
, which is what most peoplethink about when they think

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about the Arthurian myth andtradition.
And while there's a lot ofoverlap with that, there's also
some Christian influence thatchanged some of its
understanding and meaning forthings.
When you influence, thatchanged some of its
understanding and meaning forthings when you were talking
about percival or parsifal andand whatnot.
That.
There it's its own unique thing, quite frankly, because the

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grail here isn't even a chaliceinside of this particular
tradition.
Instead, it is a crown, anemerald.
It's from the crown of lucifer,which is not has anything to do
with Satan, at least in termsof the esoteric meaning behind
it.
Just to be clear, they're notthe same entity in any way,
shape or form.
And there's a war in heaventhat ensues, and why that ensues

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is because of the fact that Godhas created humanity.
God has created humanity andwhat you have going on.
There is where this Lucifercharacter refuses to bow down to
humanity, not because of thefact that he is arrogant or is
going against God in some way,shape or form, as is portrayed

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typically within the Christiantradition, but because of the
fact that he refuses to bow downand kowtow to anyone but the
almighty itself and that hislove and devotion for god is so
strong that he refuses to makeit so that way.
He does that, and that bringsup this whole war idea.

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You get neutral angels thatcome into being for what it is.
You get the piercing of theveil that you have to do by not
choosing the one side or theother, and that also makes it so
that way.
During this war, there's aemerald that's on part of the
crown that falls from Lucifer'scrown that comes down to earth,

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that is brought down to earth byneutral angels, and this gets
into a bunch of other stuff likethe Hermetic tradition and that
kind of stuff with Hermes,trimegistus and the Emerald
Tablet.
This also brings up things thathave to do with other esoteric
traditions, of course, that aregoing on there, like the
Philosopher's Stone notion.

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That's happening, and so thepoint is that not even the Grail
, as it's talked about incertain stories, is even just
this chalice-like idea that'sgoing on there.
What remains true, no matter ofwhich version of the stories
that it is, it is atransformative entity.
That makes it so.
That way, those who come intocontact with it regardless of

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which variant that it is and allthat, it transforms the person
on a soul level in such a waythat makes it so.
That way, they have some sortof revelation that they never
are the same, ever again, in anycapacity whatsoever.
It doesn't matter which variantof the grail this comes from,

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and the grail is something thatpops up so all over the place
that it is trans-universal, soto speak.
I'll give a couple otherexamples just to get the point
across.
You have something in ancientSumeria that is called GRAAL.
That is the first iteration ofthe word grail that I am aware

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of.
That pops up of anything withit and it's, you know, 6,000
years old, maybe more.
For what it is and it seems tobe some variant of alchemy and
their particular stories of itand what's going on with it.
Then you have the KnightsTemplar and they create a
country that we know today asPort-au-Gral, portugal, but

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originally and the stuff with it.
And you look at the seal, forwhen it was originally created
it says Port-au-Gral.
When it was originally createdit says Port-au-Gral, which in
that time period in ancientPortuguese meant medieval
Portuguese meant through you,the grail.
So even they were playingaround with this ancient concept
for stuff that were happeningwith it.

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And we know that a lot of themedieval stories that were
written not the pagan ones butthe ones that were written down
by Christians and that kind ofstuff were written down by
either Cistercian monks or byKnights Templar.
And the Cistercians aredirectly related and directly
connected to the KnightsTemplars in and of themselves.
Bernard de Clairvaux was the onewho created the Knights Templar

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and helped get that sanctionedby the church for what was going
on, and it was all of hisfamily members that were setting
this up, and then you have abunch of other things that come
out of that.
But he creates this assertionorder as well for what's
happening, and they're bothconnected to each other, as well
as another group of peopleknown as well, what we wouldn't

(25:58):
summarize, it certain it to asthe priory of scion to this day
and that kind of thing that'sgoing on with it.
And so anybody who claims thatthe priory of scion only came
about later on in the nights,like certain researchers want to
talk about, is just not true.
There's even the whole.
There's a whole other can ofworms that comes out of the
stuff for what it is.
But the point is that the grailpops up in so many different

(26:21):
variants and forms that it's noteven just a chalice, even, or a
platter or something that'slike that.
That's its oldest form.
This particular set right here,this particular symbol and
whatnot.
It represents the shape of awoman's womb, because it's an
ancient form of womanhood, justlike this represents the blade,
which is why the two go hand inhand in so many of the stories.

(26:43):
That's where you get like thesword and the stone, not the
same as Excalibur, which comesfrom the Lady of the Lake, the
sword and the stone is withMerlin and that kind of thing
that pops up for it.
And so you have, where theyhave the blade, literally the
male symbol of manhood andwhatnot, and then you have the
feminine symbol and the point isis that you need to combine

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both of them inside of the story, hence why percival and his
name pierce the veil.
So it all ties back into.
There's a way way more that canbe gone into the subject with it
.
But, like you can see thispopped up into the various
different nart groups.
So this is a people from thelike the osetians and the allens
and the sarmatians and a bunchof other groups from the

(27:26):
Caucasus that show up there thatare going on with it.
You can see this with theScythians.
You can see a variant of it allthe way over in Japan.
You can see this everywhere, inevery part of the world, for
what's going on.
It's absolutely insane forwhat's happening, but the oldest
written record I'm aware ofagain goes back to Graall and
the Sparian accounts.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Very cool.
Definitely got into someDaVinci Code territory there.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah Well, I'm just saying that some of the stuff is
not as straightforward aspeople like to believe that it
is and whatnot.
I'm not saying I have theanswer for whether what's true
on that front or what's not.
I haven't studied that in depthenough.
I know the theories, of course,that are going on there with it

(28:10):
, but I can flat out tell youthat anybody who claims that
something that is akin to thepriory of scion again slightly
different meaning for what'sgoing on there, like you know,
we that they're not.
They're not known as knightstemplar okay, they're.
Order reg Magistralis TemplaeSolomonis.
Okay, that's what it comes downto in Latin and that kind of
stuff.
We just the Templi equals theTemplars, we just call them the

(28:31):
Templars for short.
It's the same thing with thePriory of Sion and that kind of
thing with it.
Now that doesn't mean that thePriory is even a real thing in
the sense of like separateentity, because a priory is
actually underneath thecommandery or a part of
something else that goes alongwith that and the structure of
how a chivalric order would havebeen set up.

(28:52):
But maybe they had to.
You know, there's part of itthere too, and you have the king
of france at the time writingabout this stuff and whatnot.
So clearly it existed back then.
Anybody who wants to claim thatit didn't has to say well then,
somehow this guy that's a kingof France and whatnot got some
really great drugs that made itso.
That way he was able to seeinto the future, into the nerds,

(29:14):
and write about it during thistime period.
I mean, come on, man, likeagain, I don't know the truth of
what's going on there.
I'm not going to pretend that Iknow the truth, I'm just
stating that clearly it's mucholder what's going on there.
I'm not going to pretend that Iknow the truth, I'm just
stating that clearly it's mucholder, gotcha, I appreciate that
.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Transfer it back to you guys, alright.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
I could ask another question, another speculative,
half-assed question.
Nothing wrong with that.
That one's stupid, okay, Idon't know.
Does Harminger develop as adirect result of positive
reciprocity, like honor, justice, kindness or something like
that, or does it develop byfollowing one's true path?

(29:54):
Um, be that positively drivenor otherwise, that makes any
sense.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Repeat the question, please.
I got the second half, not thefirst half okay.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
So or does it develop by following one's true path?
So you know, whatever your,your destiny would be, I guess,
um be that positively driven orotherwise.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
So yeah, no, I got the second half.
I couldn't miss the first half.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Oh okay, sorry, does humming a developer's direct the
result of positive reciprocity?

Speaker 1 (30:21):
so okay all right, this, this is something we can
actually talk about.
Okay, this is not just 100%speculative.
So when you get into the mostprobable, because no one can say
definitively on thisparticular- front, but it's like
the most widely regardedetymological root of the word
hamingya.
It probably comes from two words, han and gengya, which would

(30:45):
mean to walk in shapes or forms.
All right Now, as somebody whois somebody that has studied the
and grew up inside of thenotion of reincarnation and the
Vedic slash Hindu tradition,this is the exact same model
that is given there and since weknow that they are sister slash

(31:07):
cousin traditions of some sortgoing back to the
Proto-Indo-Europeans, there ishuge overlap.
That is here for what'shappening.
So to walk in shapes or form isto literally start just like
life did on this planet, as thelowest level life form, let's
say like a single-celled amoebaor whatever, maybe a virus or
whatever and work its way upover billions of years to get to

(31:31):
where we are now collectivelygoing through things.
This is also what we do on oursoul progression in order to
attain the grail, akaenlightenment, spiritual
illumination of some form andwhatnot, and you have to keep
moving up in various differentforms based upon that.
So, to help illustrate thispoint a bit further, there is an

(31:55):
ancient buddhist uh story thathas to do with someone, a priest
, who was sacrificing goats, andso he's about to slaughter this
goat because he's a Brahmin,he's doing it for the gods and
that kind of thing with it.
And then suddenly the goatstarts laughing at him.
The priest is like the hell'sgoing on here, basically.
And the goat starts talking tohim and says yeah, I'm laughing

(32:20):
at you because I know your fate,basically.
And the priest is really takenback by this and just says what
are you talking about?
What's going on here?
What do you mean?
My fate.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
Well.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
I too was once a Brahmin and I too sacrificed
goats, and after 499 lifetimesas being a goat for sacrifice
and whatnot, I will once againgo back to being born as a human
being when you slaughter me.
However, once you'veslaughtered me, you will go into
goat form and have to startworking your way back up from

(32:52):
there.
Now, regardless of whether youactually believe that that's the
case or not, it's showcasinghow we change forms and how we
can actually even revert backinto previous, so-called lower
life forms and that kind ofstuff.
With what's happening, there isindication on a spiritual level
here that humanity is thehighest known form on this

(33:14):
planet.
That is there because of ourability.
You can look around us.
We are clearly different fromall the other species that there
are with it, different from allthe other species that there
are with it.
But what separates us from theanimal kingdom, let's say, more
than anything else, is ourability to reason things out and
be able to figure things outfrom right and wrong and that
kind of thing and making it so.

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That way we can accumulatebetter hominia, to get better
forms for ourselves and ourcollective ancestors which, by
the way, when you look at likean oath ring here and whatnot.
Right this.
These oaths were sworn on thisbecause it has to do with the
reincarnation process as well,so it makes it so.

(33:57):
That way you're not only doingthis for yourself, you're doing
it for past versions of yourself, aka your ancestors, which get
back into the whole notion of,like, the burial mound idea.
So I have an entire video thatI've done on this, a workshop.
That's about two hours.
It goes way, way more in depthfor that.

(34:18):
I don't know if any of youwatched it on here or not at
this stage.
I know some of you have saidthat you're going to purchase
and buy it at some point, butregardless, the point is is that
they go into the burial moundsand they have a spiritual
inheritance that they gainedfrom that of the previous
version of themselves.
For what's going on?
So, even in the esoteric sense,when you're looking at the

(34:41):
runes, when people want to flipDagaz at the end and Othala at
the end, you do not.
There's a reason for it.
They wrote it out exactly theway that it's supposed to be in
terms of the runic order.
They would know their ownspirituality better than we did.
Ok, it died, it wentunderground.
We were trying to resurrect it,so to speak.

(35:03):
A lot of us are, at least interms of terms of you know that
are modern pagans or modernspiritual practitioners of this
stuff.
Great.
We don't know what they knewbecause they lived it directly
for what was going on.
Anybody who claims otherwisejust doesn't know what the hell
they're talking about.
I understand why people want to, but that's because they don't
like switch it.
It does make sense on anesoteric level, but again it's

(35:23):
not the truth because they'relooking at it.
It does make sense on anesoteric level, but again it's
not the truth because they'relooking at it from a physical
inheritance standpoint, whichthere is truth to.
You also get the physicalaspects of these things that are
going on, part of this processof growing up.
You can see with Freyr, andFreyr is awarded Alfheim as a
toothing gift, a teething gift.

(35:46):
So now that he's starting toget his teeth in, he's growing
up.
To a certain extent he's beinggifted Alfheim the realm of the
elves, by Odin in thisparticular instance, for what's
happening there, as he's comingof age, so to speak, just like
you would when you get that.
So you're getting your adultteeth.

(36:07):
Now this happens around the ageof six to eight years old maybe
a little earlier, maybe alittle later, depending upon the
individual, but right aroundthat time period.
This is also about the timethat the child starts gaining
their own personality.
Of course, they're not justdependent upon you know their
parents for everything.
They start gaining a little bitof autonomy and can go and do
things.
So this fits perfectly withthis particular notion.

(36:28):
This is the origins of thetooth fairy idea, by the way, of
a gift that you give for whenthe teeth fall out and that kind
of stuff, and then becomingmore of this adult stuff with it
.
We put coins for what it is.
That's.
That's the like way, ancientorigins for where this comes
from.
So that's a huge part of allthat's building up into it.

(36:50):
We were talking about the fetchor the fugla earlier and that
kind of stuff.
The follower that's also a bigpart of how that plays out the
accumulated stuff of your pastas yourself in terms of various
different versions of yourself,but also the lineage of your
clan or the lineage of yourfamily and whatnot.
And the whole point is to makeit so that way.

(37:11):
If you read some of the storiesis to even go to make it so.
That way you surpass the godsand making it in terms of your
accumulated wisdom and that kindof stuff, which we know is true
, because we know the gods candie.
We see this when it comes toidun being abducted and her
apples that are taken away fromher.
They age and they slowly diefor what's going on there and

(37:33):
they have to go and get her backin order to make it so that way
they don't die.
We also see that there arerealms that are above death,
that can't be conquered by death.
This is known as the light elfrealm and whatnot.
So frayer is being gifted thisarea that he can go to.
That leads to a type ofimmortality.
What that looks like, I'm notgoing to get into at this

(37:55):
particular stage for it, but thepoint is, is that, yes, we,
even in the nordic tradition,there's their own version of a
spiritual attainment, aspiritual illumination, to make
it so.
That way you get to this pointwhere you've accumulated enough
good Haminga, or Ohaminga, evenwhich is even better, haminga to
get to the point whereeverybody raises themselves up
and walks in various differentshapes and forms to the highest

(38:18):
levels possible.
That's literally what it'stelling you to do, and this gets
back to the cyclical notion andthe honor and the other things
with it that are happening there, and that's why oath rings were
taken so seriously as well,because when you're doing it for
your past self, you're alsodoing it.
When you're doing for yourancestors excuse me, you're also
doing it for past versions ofyourself and that kind of thing
as well, and so if you fail tomake it so that way, you're

(38:41):
doing well for your ancestors.
Not only are you doing it wellfor an external entity, you're
actually also doing poorly foryour current version of yourself
and impacting it that way aswell as future incarnations of
yourself as well.
So how we place, like our handon the bible today, like in a
courtroom or whatever the dealis, like it that is only for

(39:01):
this life, or maybe what happensafterwards, and like one other
reality and that kind of stuffpotentially, but in the sense of
our nordic ancestors andgermanic ancestors and even some
of the celtic ones and thatkind of thing it would be to
where it would be all previousversions of yourself and all
future versions of yourselfuntil you are able to escape

(39:25):
death and not have to have to,is the key word come back to
this realm for it.
You can choose to come back tothis realm, but have to come
back to this realm.
You can go to immortality andthat kind of stuff and live
there and whatnot.
So that's kind of another notionthat's playing out here for it,
and it's the same conceptthat's inside of the various

(39:48):
different Eastern traditionsthat you can find in Taoism, you
can find in Hinduism, you canfind in Vedism, you can find in
Jainism, you can find in theseother ones that are going on
there.
It's true of all of them.
And every single culture inancient time periods believed in
reincarnation.
There was, or transmigration ofthe soul, if you want to call
it that way.
There was no exception to this.

(40:10):
It wasn't until christianity atsome point came along and
changed that notion of thingsmuch later on and had nothing to
do with original christianityin any way or form, because
original Christianity meaningfirst century Christianity, very
, very different in terms of howit played out, much more pagan

(40:33):
than how things are with themodern church and how it came
into being and whatnot.
But that's another story.
Yeah that's really great.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Thank you, you're welcome.
It's a trick.
Why are the questions so bad?

Speaker 4 (40:46):
You said you had a bad question and that was
awesome, so I'm sure they'regreat.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
No, it's just like it's rambles, and I put most of
it in brackets because I didn'tknow if I was going to say it or
not.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
Good question though.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Yeah, I mean I try to think of things that I didn't
already know the answer toExactly, that were kind of
speculative, so he could expandupon them.
So yeah, that was reallyinteresting.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
I hope this is a recording so we can go back and
watch it all.
Definitely.
Well, I know he talked a littlebit about that on that last
Utsalaga Saga episode.
It was really interesting.
It was a really good one.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Yeah, I know I need to watch it more.
I, yeah, I know I need to watch.
He did.
I've only watched a couple, butthey're really good, I'm lazy
really good.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
I was listening to you on the way I went to the
craft store because they'reclosing the craft store and I
wanted to get good deals so Ilistened to it.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
It was so good, it was very cool yeah, I love that
you're doing your, uh, yourcrafts so awesome thank you,
it's really fun.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
I feel bad, and that's not to be rude, but I
have a show in a week and I'mlike I'm kind of freaking out.
But it's an outdoor show andit's winter, so I don't know if
people are actually going toshow, so I don't even know if I
should Hopefully.
I don't know, we'll see.
And then I also.
My problem with my questions isI feel like my nose just go
right off the rail, because thisis where my head is at lately,

(41:58):
I'm not sure why.
Sorry, my dog's trying to breakinto my craft room while
cleaning water the chat say,because I can get real weird
with the next question, ifyou're up for it why not?

Speaker 3 (42:10):
I'm up for it okay.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
So with everything that you're saying, with like
the humming and like healingpast and future timelines and
learning these lessons so youcan choose to come back or not.
To choose to come back, that'swhen my brain goes to like ai
and transhumanism and what likea threat to that is, and I feel
like that's why so many peopleare being pulled back to this

(42:31):
way of like the roots ofeverything, like they're pagan
just roots of everything.
What?

Speaker 1 (42:36):
do you know of the Archon?

Speaker 4 (42:37):
Because there's like the Archon not very much.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
So it's called AI intelligence.
We call it artificialintelligence.
I would surmise that myinterpolation not interpretation
.
Interpolation, it's a differentword, for what that means.
I don't know if you know whatthat means stuff is that it

(43:10):
should be called archonticintelligence instead, and it is
in the stories of the variousdifferent gnostic sects, which
are much closer to thetraditional and original
christianity, that is going onthere.
There is a entity known as hal.
Where have we seen Hal before?
Oh, that's right, we've seen itbefore, in movie characters and
whatnot.
It shows up in Hitchhiker'sGuide to the Galaxy as an

(43:33):
example, as an AI-type form of acomputer, and this Hal is also
described exactly like anartificial creation thing.
That's going on there.
Arconic beings.
First off, let's break downwhat arcon means.
Okay, so an arcon means someonewho's the rulers.

(43:56):
That's what it means the rulers, all right.
Um, you also have like anarchyas an example, right?
Anarchy does not mean chaos,okay, if you go back to its
original and meaning with or thewithout or the absence of in
latin, and then you have archonruler, so without rulers, that's

(44:18):
all that it means.
It doesn't mean that it's chaos.
It just means you can rule overyourself without have somebody
else ruling over you in any way,shape or form, and that you can
be a true sovereign being andhave freedom.
For what's going on there?
All right.
So Now the Gnostic text which Ihave right here in front of me

(44:38):
on my desk, from the Nag Hammadiscriptures and that kind of
stuff which was found in a placecalled Nag Hammadi, which is in
Egypt.
This is where a lot of thatnotion of understanding comes
from.
I'm not saying that they're theonly Gnostic sects, I'm just
saying that that's where theprincipal ideas come from, is
from them.
They were just found inside ofa urn or various different clay

(45:05):
pots and that kind of stuff in acave and it's quite clear that
they were put there in order tobe hidden away, because they
were being targeted and goneafter and that they were hoping
that they could come back tothis and get back to these
things, but they never were ableto do so.

(45:26):
We lucked out and that theywere found later on.
Unfortunately, we have lost acouple of these texts, or at
least portions of them, due tothe fact that the goat herders
or whatever they were, I forgetit is some sort of pastoral
herder that was finding foundthese texts.
X used some of these things askindling.
Unfortunately, I also know andthis is little known but there
is one text that is not insideof that that has been found,

(45:47):
that has not been allowed to bereleased to the public, and only
the people who are part of thetranslation team, as well as a
couple of people from theVatican and a handful of other
institutions like that, havebeen even allowed to know that
it exists.
Whatever it is that wasdiscovered way back in 1947, in
terms of these things, there'ssome book out there that's so

(46:10):
damning that they haven't evenallowed it to be translated and
put forth out to the generalpublic.
Okay, so clearly there issomething among these texts here
that completely disrupts theestablished order in one
capacity or another.
Now, with that little bit ofbackground and whatnot, let's
get into this a bit more.
There's something called theDemiurge that's there.

(46:30):
He's the one that creates thisparticular reality that we are a
part of, not God, okay, and tounderstand this, you have this
God like being that is kind oflike a yin yang God that has no
conception of anything.
It's neither good nor bad.
It's just a mixture ofeverything that there is for
what's going on Neither womannor female Kind of a mixture of

(46:52):
everything that's going on there.
It doesn't create anythingOutside of the original Beings
of the universe, and then itallows them to create stuff from
there, all right, it just sendsout kind of like energy that
can be used by them to craftother things that are going on

(47:13):
there, and these beings that arefirst created are known as
Aeons.
Ok, so the Aeons are there forwhat's going on.
Then you have the youngest aeon.
Her name is peteus sophia, orwisdom in some form or another,
and she has a consort and someof these various different ones,

(47:34):
because there's different likebranches and traditions of the
gnostics and that kind of stuff,and his name is I might be
mispronouncing this, only readit, never heard it but Thelit,
and most likely his name meansintention.
So the divine feminine figureis wisdom and the divine
masculine figure is intention.
This goes directly back to whatwe were talking about before

(47:55):
the seen and the unseen part,with the male and female playing
it out.
Wisdom is something that's veryhard to understand.
It's just something that comesto you through age and
experience.
Intention of I'm going to dothis and just going and do it is
very direct and very masculine,just like there.
So here it is again playing outin another tradition, just to
prove the point even further.

(48:16):
Now, what you see here is thatshe is Thiele and her are part
of the youngest generation ofthe Aeonic beings, regardless of
which tradition that it comesfrom, and it makes it so that
way from them they try to createother realities and other
beings and whatnot, and so I'mnot going to go into that story.

(48:39):
But one of the main parts ofthe story is that there's this
being known as the christos hasnothing to do with christ, just
to be clear on that.
Even even the church is like no, it's nothing to do with.
They're not even trying topretend that.
It's that way.
That is among the aeons.
It's the only one that cancross this barrier that it
separates this other god thatwe've talked about, like the

(49:00):
almighty god, if you will, thatcreated the aeons and then goes
into it.
Well, sophia really wants to goand see god and all this other
stuff that's there with it, soshe tries to cross this barrier
and all she sees is thisblinding light that comes from
it, and eventually she has toavert her eyes and so she falls

(49:21):
and then she becomes part of thereality in which she had
created, and then you get allthese beings that pop up from it
that aren't supposed to bethere because of an error of
judgment and an error of wisdomthat comes from it and we get
the archons and the king of thembeing the demiurge and all
these other things with it, andthey are in control of physical

(49:42):
reality not the higher planes ofexistence, but physical reality
and they can't create anything.
They can take something that'salready there and rearrange it,
just like AI can.
You can give it a prompt and itcan take things that are
already there and redo thingswith it.
It can't create a new piece ofartwork, though.

(50:02):
You have to give it a prompt.
You have to do it without anyprompting.
The ai doesn't know what to do.
It just sits there doingbasically nothing, right, but as
soon as you give it somethingto do, then it starts doing
stuff.
Now, these beings that are,these archontic beings, they are
also very linear, only thinkingrationally, having nothing else

(50:26):
that's inside of it, and theyhave lots of will and intent for
what's going on.
Well, I can't think of a better, perfect description of a
computer.
It has nothing to do withanything that's human whatsoever
, has nothing to do with wisdom,it has nothing to do with any
insights that can come out fromit, it has nothing to do with
experience.
It has nothing to do withknowing that there are things

(50:47):
that need to be done in certainways, that all protocols this,
and it doesn't care in any way.
Shape or form.
What happens right doesn't makeany difference.
It has no heart, no compassion,no empathy whatsoever.

(51:07):
Perfect description of whatthis a these ai is doing is the
same description of how you canfill it in for the archontic
beings that were talked abouthere.
Now we are on this topic of herprevious topic of like trying to
move up and going into thehigher realms and making it so.
That way you have the choice ofwhether you live in this world

(51:29):
or not and that kind of stuffwith it.
Does that mean that they areall like 100 evil?
No, that's not actually what'shappening here in any way.
Shape or form as well, theyalso, in a lot of these
traditions, make it so.
That way they are the guardiansof preventing people from
moving forward.
I want you to think about adifferent world.

(51:51):
Our world here has limitations.
It has to where it is hard tounderstand certain things with
it and we don't understand theconsequences of our actions
sometimes, because there's ahuge time delay between when
something happens and whensomething else manifests in
certain instances, if I drop myglass on the floor, obviously we
can see that instantaneously.
We can learn from it.
But certain things that I did,that were mistakes that were in

(52:15):
my past, that say, are at thesame age of what you know Fjord
Bjorn is.
Maybe, I don't know that it'llcome back to bite me in my 30s
or 40s or whatever the deal is,because I don't understand the
consequences of some of mychoices and what they will
happen for at that stage ofthings.
You know, think of a youngteenage girl getting pregnant at
, say, 16 or whatever the dealis.

(52:35):
She doesn't understand how muchit's going to impact her life
until she gets to a certain ageand realizing that it's very
different in our modern era thanif she had waited until she was
, say, 24 or something like that.
You know.
Anyway, regardless, the pointis that we don't know some of
that Now.
Imagine there's no time delayfor what your thoughts are or

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what your emotions are and someof these other realities and
that kind of thing with it, andwhatever you think and whatever
you do Happens like that, thevast majority of us would not
survive whatsoever In any way,shape or form, we would
instantaneously kill us orothers around us Because we
don't understand the capacity todo so, and so you need to be

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able to be able to control yourthoughts, your emotions, and
have complete internal monarchy,let's say, over yourself,
before you can move up to someof these higher realms and stay
there permanently.
That's kind of how this otherideas can play out with it.
So I also liken it to.
We live in a three-dimensionalreality, right, and a perfect

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representation of two-dimensionis a shadow.
Okay, but we can have where theshadow influences
third-dimensional realm for whatit is.
So a cloud passing by makes usknow there's a shadow over all
of us.
The shadow that's cast from youknow the Earth revolving and
whatnot makes it.
We have night and day cycles asan example for what's going on
there from the sun.

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Obviously, shadow still has animpact on the three-dimensional
world, but the three-dimensionalworld has more impact over the
two-dimensional and lower, andas we go up, higher and higher,
it's the same concept and ideafor what's going on there.
So before you can enter thesepotentially other realms of
existence that a keeper broughtup, you know other traditions

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are bringing up and that kind ofstuff, you have to understand
the consequences for it.
We are now starting to, throughtechnology, get to where we are
entering a higher realm of thisunderstanding of things.
Look what the internet does youand I are able to communicate
instantaneously from thousandsof miles away in different time
zones, and make it so that waytext message, email, whatever is

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sent, boom, instantaneously,get it almost as if it were
being done in such a way thatit's like telepathic and that
kind of thing.
All right.
So we are already beginning toleave the third dimensional
reality of understanding behindand now starting to get to,
let's say, the lowest of thefourth level and that kind of
thing.
We're not there yet.
We're still within the realmsof 3D, but we're at the very

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peak of 3D and now we're movinginto 4D, just potentially, where
time doesn't matter, spacedoesn't matter boom, it's just
done type idea.
So, at least for this planet, wehaven't done it for the
universe yet.
You know that that would belike wormholes and teleportation
and that kind of thing and timetravel potentially.
But we're literally beginningthe cracking of this code to get

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to these higher levels ofthings.
And so the archons and some ofthese traditions are there in
order to prevent us.
They are gatekeepers to make itso that way we don't go to a
realm we are not ready to do.
So that would be the morepositive interpretation of them.
But the negative interpretationof the moof horse is that

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they're enslaving us and thatthey are making it so that way.
They rule over us and, you know, being energetic vampires over
us and that kind of stuff andpreventing us from going for
what we need to do.
You know, both interpretations,you know, probably have truth
to them, is the point so that'skind of the ai stuff that's all
boiled down into it and whatnot,and it's about a form of

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control, no matter how you lookat it, and that kind of thing
for the people who are pushingsome of this agenda and the
transhuman agenda and all theseother things that are going on
there, of course, to make it sothat way.
Look, people like to bring upthis concept.
It's all about money.
No, it's not about money.
I'm sorry, but if you are abanking institution, meaning a
central bank, say, of the UnitedStates, the Federal Reserve and

(56:34):
that kind of stuff, and I canliterally write whatever I want
to as the amount of money that Ihave, if I want to say that I
want to print four quadrilliondollars.
Right now I can just do that bytyping it into a computer.
Ok, if you've got that kind ofmoney and that kind of power
that you can create.
Like, that is not about moneyanymore.

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That's people don't understand.
It's about control.
It's about control.
So that's what this that'sbeing put into place with it.
Most of us on this planet don'tsee that there is a huge
control mechanism.
I think it's slowly starting tobe woken up a little bit here
for what's going on.
I said a little bit, not a lotnecessarily, but a little bit,

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and that gets into a whole bunchof other stuff that I'm not
certain I want to get into hereat this stage of things with it
related to covid19 and like, say, a dress rehearsal for certain
things that are going on there.
Any important event that youhave, you do a dress rehearsal
for it first and make sure thatit's going to go the way that
you want to, right.
So I'm just gonna leave it atthat.

(57:38):
For that particular one, youcan fill in the blanks if you
want to, or I can talk about it,not what's going to go publicly
here and that kind of thingwith it.
I'm sharing some of my views onthat, but that was a huge psyop
.
One of the things I can share,though, is that I don't know how
many people here are familiarwith the Milgram experiment or
not.
That's the one where they dothe shocking.

(57:58):
Okay, great.
So I'm going to just sum it upin case there's anybody that
watches later that doesn't knowwhat it's about, but basically,
what it boils down to is youhave a fake recording in another
room, and the participantthat's coming in, that's in the
experiment, doesn't know that'sa fake recording.
You have the participant that'sbeing urged on by someone in a
lab coat saying the experimentmust go on, the experiment has

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to continue, etc.
Alright, so the vast majority ofpeople like literally
two-thirds to 75%, dependingupon the time, place, location,
and like whatever has dealt withthis over the decades is up
going all the way to the pointof shocking this person to
either nearly killing them orkilling them before they stop.

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That's completely insane to me,but whatever, that's the truth
of the matter for what it is.
However, what they don't tellyou in school textbooks and
whatnot is that there was asmall group of people that never
did, and they called it thelibertarian line.
So the moment that therecording on the other end said
that I don't want to participateanymore, I don't consent, and

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whatnot, the other personstopped.
Now this was a small group ofpeople, usually around 5% or so,
that did that as soon as thatwas there.
That followed this libertarianline idea and was an example of

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the fact that you could say no,I'm not doing this anymore.
Their head to making it so.
That way, two-thirds to 75percent of participants didn't
do any harm to the recording onthe opposite side of things or
what it is, and so this getsinto something that's very

(59:48):
important.
The whole point of any controlmechanism is to prevent people
from having examples of courageand having enough example of
courage to make it so that way.
You say no and really wait.
That's an option I can.
I can say no to this assholeover here.
Okay, I'm gonna say no.
But then there's also 25, let'ssay, of humanity.

(01:00:10):
I'm wondering what the hell isabsolutely wrong with you,
because even with an example ofsaying no, you still go all the
way to maiming somebody orkilling them.
Like there's something reallywrong with these people.
I'm sorry, like that's just howit is when it comes to that.
So you see, the exact samething happened with covid.
You see where, at least here inthe united states and lots of
western countries, two-thirds to75 of the people just went

(01:00:32):
along with it, just followed theorders that were going on with
it, without any stopping andthinking about what the actual
consequences of this are in anyway, shape or form.
Right, nothing whatsoever.
I'm sorry, but when you have adisease that has less damage and
less things that have been doneto it at least here in the
United States I'm not going tospeak for all their countries

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Then Zika did.
Zika did more damage.
We didn't shut down the entireeconomy.
It killed more people.
For what's going on there?
We didn't shut down when Ebolawas a thing and all that other
stuff which is way more deadlythan any of this other stuff
that's going.
We didn't shut down when allthese other diseases that did
more with it.
But somehow, magically, we didso with COVID-19, even though it

(01:01:14):
was not saying it didn't killpeople it's not what I'm saying
even though it was less deadlythan these other entities and
other diseases.
Right, what?
Why?
What's going on here?
So you know, of course, thevaccine was so safe and
effective that you had to getmultiple boosters and dosages

(01:01:35):
for it and all that other stuffthat was going on.
And then on top of that, ofcourse you also have aware,
trying to be careful withcertain things that I'm going
into here and that kind of thing, but you also have to where you
know there were certain liesthat were told about it that are
going to be coming out andthey've already some of them
have already come out and andthat kind of thing with it, like

(01:01:56):
a prime example of this thatnobody disputes anymore.
But when you basically were told, at least in the first few
months of getting it and thatkind of stuff, that it would
protect you, that you wouldn'tcatch it if you were getting it
and it wouldn't spreadtransmission, well, everybody
knows that that's not true nowfor what's going on.
So if it doesn't preventtransmission of it, then how can
you say it's a vaccine?

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And it's not even a vaccine,it's gene therapy.
That's what it really is,because you're changing how our
genes are expressed through themRNA.
Anyway, that's all I'm going tosay on this topic because of
reasons that should be blatantlyobvious that are going on here
that I don't want to get intothat have nothing to do with

(01:02:37):
what the main part of my channelis at this stage.
Fair enough, any questions,comments, concerns on that part.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
Sorry for kind of derailing you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
No, it's fine.
I mean, obviously I know aboutthe Gnostic traditions too and
I've gone and looked into it andall that other stuff.
And you know I, there is aspiritual warfare that's
happening on this planet,whether people want to admit it
or understand it or not soeverybody's caught up in it and
what basically is happening nowis the negative influences are

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rearing their ugly head and thatkind of thing and people are
having this choose and whatnot.
And that's what's happening andmost people failed the test.
Let's say, you know they failedthe test of of it.
You know, if you put the onering of power in front of them,
most of them failed and thatkind of stuff.
They weren't like gimli wherehe just said, well, let's just
destroy it right now, and hebrings his axe and tries to

(01:03:32):
destroy it.
Obviously he fails at it, buthe was very pure-hearted of
saying, well, this thing's eviland all it does is cause evil.
Let's try to destroy it rightthere, right then.
No thoughts asked about whatneeds to be done with it.
That that right there, showedthe true character of what was
going on with it.
Everybody else other than frodoas well, at least in the
beginning, that kind of stufffailed that test as well.

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They all failed the test atsome point or another.
That was going on there.
That was, you know, thefellowship of the ring in some
capacity or or another.
And that kind of stuff evenfrodo at the end fails.
He doesn't, he's unable to giveit up at the very end.
Uh, that's there.
So tolkien was aware of this.
He drew his stories mainly fromthe ancient various different

(01:04:19):
celtic peoples and that kind ofstuff of the british isles, and
as well as from the germanicnordic traditions and that kind
of thing.
So you know that's in line, atleast indirectly, for what we're
talking about here.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
Yeah, I was going to ask if you think we're capable
of, I guess, reclaiming andtaking that ring and destroying
it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
But yes, we absolutely are 100 for what's
going on there let me explainhow all of reality works,
whether we like it or not.
I am going to be using computerterminology here, but it's going
to make it so it's simpler andunder to understand and whatnot.
There are three things thathave to do with that.
We have input, processing andoutput.

(01:05:00):
There's much older nomenclaturethat's outdated now that can be
used for it.
That has to do with grammar,logic and rhetoric.
As another example for what itis, it would have been used in
ancient time periods.
And there's another one thathas to do with esoteric.
I don't care, I'm not gettinginto that.
We're just going to use thesimple, simple one for everybody
.
You have input, processing,output, all right.

(01:05:26):
So in the input stage, right,this is where you just gather
information.
You don't prejudge theinformation you gather.
If I want to learn about thegrail and I brought up some of
this in the earlier parts of itI have to pull from every known
source that to learn about theGrail and I brought up some of
this in the earlier parts of itI have to pull from every known
source that there is on theGrail that has to do with that.
Hence why Sumeria?
Hence why the ancient peoplesof the Welsh?

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Hence the various differentthings with King Arthur.
Hence, you know, even theKnights Templar and all that
other, all these variousdifferent traditions and other
things I'm not bringing up here.
If I Templar and all that other, all these various different
traditions and other things I'mnot bringing up here, I want to
get a full picture of it.
I have to study all of it, notjust a portion of it, all of it.
So I have to bring up all thatdata.
Then, in the next stage ofthings, that's where I filter

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and I parse out things.
So okay, this is Arthurian,this is Sumerian, this is
bullshit.
That has nothing to do withanything with the grail that I
thought it did.
It's clearly just made upnonsense for what's going on.
Get rid of it.
This is, you know, whatever itdoesn't matter.
That's where you parse it out,in the second phase of things,
that you weed out logical inconsB.
There just isn't enoughinformation and you can't get

(01:06:32):
past this stage with it.
We know that this is the casefor certain things, because
certain things are just lost totime and we can't get them back,
unfortunately, without someonefiguring out a way to invent a
time machine that allows us toview the past, let's say,

(01:06:53):
without changing the past, justviewing it?
Okay, fine, maybe then, butuntil that happens, it's
guesswork for some of the stuffthat we're dealing with, and we
just have to accept that.
So then we move on.
Then, after you process thisinformation, that's where you
get the output of thatinformation.
You times this by 8 billionpeople on the planet, you get

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the result of our reality andall the choices that each
individual makes along the wayfor what's going on.
This is why the first stage,the information stage, we call
it censorship.
That's why it's targeted,because if you make it so that
way from the very beginning, youcensor and you're only allowed
to have this amount ofinformation.
Instead of this, much is whatyou need in order to get stuff

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with it.
The dictators, the tyrants,whatever of the world that are
that way, they always targetthat information because they
know that if they do, they'vealready made it so.
That way, the outcome ispredetermined from the get-go.
Now, maybe, if you're someonethat's a genius, you'll be able
to get through the processingstage and realize something's

(01:08:00):
wrong here.
Even if you don't know what itis, you still won't be able to
get the proper results that youneed to have for it, and that's
the issue.
The issue is, in the age of theInternet, we have two different
types of knowledge, let's say,or lack thereof.
That's going on.
We have ignorance and we havenescience.
The second term has almost beencompletely expunged from the

(01:08:23):
world.
All right.
First term is where youliterally ignore information.
You have elected to ignore it.
We can look up just aboutanything that we want to online
and at least get basicinformation about it.
We have that option now.
So we as a species have chosenand elected to ignore

(01:08:44):
information.
Right, that's what's happeninghere.
We want freedom.
The vast majority of humanitywants freedom, peace.
We want abundance, we wantsecurity, we want to be loved.
We want, we want respect, etc.
So if 90 some odd percent ofhumanity wants all of these
things, why don't we have it?
Because we're ignoring certainfactors and certain truths that

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are there for what's going on?
It's not.
These things aren't present onhow to do it, we've elected to
ignore them in our modern eraand age.
Okay, that's what's happening.
Nescience, on the other hand, iswhere the information is not
possible to be present in orderto answer it.
So example of that is creatingsolar panels 2,000 years ago.

(01:09:29):
That's not possible.
The prerequisite knowledge ofall these other steps in between
is lacking.
They have no notion of it.
It is not possible for them.
It is literally animpossibility for them to do so.
Okay, the ancients were greatat a bunch of different things
and understood a bunch ofdifferent things for what's
going on, but solar panel makingisn't one of them and it's not
something that they can do 2000years ago.

(01:09:51):
It's just not a thing All right.
So that's the differencebetween nescience and ignorance.
So if you want to go throughthis process again, if you go
through the input stage, it'sthe proper information or lack
thereof, the ability to processthat information or lack thereof
and then you get the results,or lack thereof, and then times
it by 8 billion people on theplanet, which is also why they

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don't want examples of peopleout there that can do these
things.
This has been proven with theMilgram experiment, because if
you give enough examples of this, people are like I can do this
differently, I can behavedifferently, I can do whatever
it is.
Are we doomed to making the samemistakes over and over again?
No, we are not doomed to it.
I'm saying we are ignorant ofthe choices that we are making
and we are in an unconsciousstate most of humanity because

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of that.
We keep making the samemistakes over and over, on a
personal level and collectivelevel, which leads to the cycles
of history repeating over andover and over again, because
we're too stupid as a speciesand haven't decided to actually
level up.
We are a species with amnesia.
That is what the truth is whenit comes to this particular
thing with it, and that's alsowhy I'm going to getting back to

(01:10:57):
that iconic idea again.
Do you really want an insanespecies that does the same thing
over and over and over again,going to other planes of
existence and mucking up thingseverywhere else that doesn't
know?
So are they the bad guys?
Not necessarily not if thespecies that they're containing
is completely fucking insane,right?
So you know that that's how itis.

(01:11:18):
We are on a prison planet thatis also an insane asylum, with
its own guard keepers inside ofit, and we have to be part of
that same system.
Now, how do we break the fuckout of it?
How do we make it so that wedon't do these same things over
and over again?
I mean, that's what the matrixtrilogy was about in a
particular way, for that's whata lot of these stories are all
about.
You know, going back andgetting the elixir of some sort
of the grail tradition, thehealing of the wounded king, you

(01:11:41):
know, whatever.
It's all the same stuff withthat.
That's why they have thevarious different stories in
various different forms.
So now I'm not saying everystory is the same and has the
same meaning.
I'm just saying there's lots ofthem that are that fit this
particular monomyth that youknow, joseph campbell put forth
for the people to go through,the hero's journey, etc.
And all that and there's a lotof truth to it.
That's because we as a speciesstill haven't figured out how to

(01:12:03):
overcome our base nature andour other things with it.
But we also have people in powerwho don't want us to, and I'm
not talking even archonticbeings or whatever and that kind
of stuff.
I'm talking physical beingsthat are on this planet, that
are right here right now, thatwant to rule over us.
They have the mentality of it'sbetter to reign in hell than to

(01:12:27):
serve in heaven type of notion.
That's what their mentality is.
And if you have to, where youhave all this power and all this
influence and all thismechanisms in place and all this
other stuff that makes it sothat way you can control people
and put influence over it.
Then you can.
This is why they targetededucation.
This is why the americaneducation system the dumbest

(01:12:48):
education system that there isout of any industrialized nation
.
I'm not saying it's the dumbestone, because it's not.
There are some places don'teven have an education system on
the planet at all, likeliterally at all for the general
public and that kind of stuff,and obviously we beat them out
because any form of education isbetter than no form of
education.
But a lot of us just don't haveanything that's going for us in

(01:13:09):
any way, shape or form and wethink that we have knowledge
when we don't.
We have negative knowledge iswhat I term it.
We have knowledge that we haveto unlearn first in order to
learn real knowledge.
We have knowledge that we haveto unlearn first in order to
learn real knowledge.
So an example of this, verybriefly, would be a lot of
people cling to Newtonianphysics.
Okay, that's great.
Newtonian physics has beendebunked for over 100 years now
and science or just about andthat kind of thing, for what's

(01:13:31):
going on?
We have now been able to provethat consciousness can exist
outside of the body multipletimes over, with multiple
different studies.
So does that prove that there'sa soul?
Not necessarily, but it doesprove that outer body
experiences are real, at aminimum, and can be noted down
and whatnot, and that we canhave something that's akin to a
soul, that has been provenscientifically speaking, for

(01:13:54):
what's going on there.
Again, it's not the same thingas proving a soul, that's not
what I'm saying there but it issomething that proves that we
don't have to have a body inorder to make it so.
That way, we have certainexperiences, that is true, but
people still cling to theirdelusions and all that other
stuff, and it's all about anarrative, a story that we tell
ourselves.
And if you have this baselinefact, if you think this is a

(01:14:16):
fact, even when it's not a fact,then congratulations.
It determines how you're goingto think, how you're going to
behave for everything else outthere.
So imagine going from again liketimeline wise reincarnation
perspective, like we talkedabout before, making it so that
we have multiple lifetimes andall the things that happened in
the past that can affect, andall the things in the future
that can affect, versus one anddone.

(01:14:38):
Maybe you go to some otherrealm and that's it, you know
and you.
So you have like the heaven,hell concept.
But so it does matter.
Your choices here do matter,but it only matters sort of not
as much as before, because thisisn't the main plane of
existence that you keep comingback to.
There's somewhere else in thethat you have to do it.
But it still does matter here,versus it doesn't matter at all,
because I just lived this onetime on this one spinning rock

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that has no meaning or purposeto anything as a cosmic accident
.
How much does that degrade whatpeople are willing and thinking
about their doing with it, withthe story that they tell
themselves and how they're goingto function in the world, just
by that alone?
Now you times this by 10billion other facts that people
supposedly know and all that,and you get to where everybody

(01:15:21):
is filled with the mind virus ofsome sort that makes it so that
way they behave in ways thatare counterproductive to
themselves and counterproductiveto everybody else.
I mean, we're so stupid as aspecies we haven't figured out
that there's only one goddamnlaw in existence that we need to
follow, only what I mean youmight be saying what?
How's that possible that weonly need to follow one?

(01:15:42):
Well, we need to follow it inall of its various different
permutations.
Right?
If you look traditionally, whatevery society has stated is
wrong and even today almost allof us would agree is wrong on
some level or another it allboils down to one thing.
So you have murder, which isobviously wrong, it's.
You have theft, you have rape,you have coercion, you have

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duress, you have trespass, etc.
Okay, I'm not gonna get intoall of them, just right.
They're all forms of theft.
Murder is the taking of lifethat doesn't belong to you.
Rape is the taking away ofsexual free will of someone and
their choice to do so.
Coercion, duress same thing.
Trespass is not lettingsomebody on their property, etc.

(01:16:28):
They're all various differentforms of theft.
So we as a species haven'tfigured out how not to steal.

Speaker 4 (01:16:37):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
That's the only thing we have to do is figure out how
not to steal.
That's it.
That's the only thing we haveto do is figure out how not to
steal.
And yet we allow theft and itsvarious different myriad forms
around us all the time, everyday, for what's going on?
And we break this one law allthe time.
Taxation is a form of theft.
And you might be thinking forsome people might be thinking,
well, how is that possible?
Well, okay, if you want to givea definition of a slave, a

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definition of a slave issomebody that you take their
property from them and you take100% of what they make and
produce and whatnot.
That, at what percentage isthat person not a slave?
Is it 50%?
I'm allowed to take 50% away oftheir stuff and they're still
not a slave.
Is it 25%?
Is it 2%?
No, the only honest answeranybody can give logically is 0%
.
So any form of taxation is theft.

(01:17:38):
That means inflation is theft,a stealth tax?
The amount of money that youmade that's now printed by
somebody else that makes it.
So the prices go up and allthat.
It's a hidden tax on things.
Tariffs are that same waythat's going on on that
particular front of things.
The making, it's our entiresystem is that way you look at
all governments.
It doesn't matter how theyfunction and whatnot you have to

(01:18:00):
wear.
They're all based upondiversion or correct uh, or
duress, excuse me.
For what's going on theredoesn't matter the form, doesn't
matter if it's the republic ofthe united states and the
founding fathers and what theycame up, or something like the
hermit kingdom of north korea,which is totalitarian.
It's just different levels ofslavery.
What we are here here in theUnited States is free-range tax
slaves.
What they're over there inNorth Korea is, well, literally

(01:18:24):
a dictatorship.
Okay, much more controlled andthat kind of stuff, but it's
still slavery.
For what's going on there, itdoesn't matter Three parts of
ourselves Thoughts, emotions,actions.
So if you want to control ahuman being totally, you need to
control all three parts of theself.
So our thoughts, variousdifferent forms of religious

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institutions, our actions arecontrolled by governments.
That's where we get police,military, all these other things
that are making it happen.
For what's going on there thatnot being able to cross an
invisible line from one countryto another and that kind of
thing that's going on on thatparticular front.
And then for the emotions, it'sthe monetary system, which in
this case is a debt-based system.

(01:19:08):
That's going on there.
You have that.
So how do you make it so thatway?
You control people throughtheir money.
You have their emotions.
You think if they are able tobuy what they want, they get
happy and elated.
If they're not able to, itmakes them depressed.
So you have all that otherstuff with it.
It's a unholy trinity.
If you will, you control thethoughts, the emotions and the
actions of the individual.

(01:19:28):
You control the individual.
That's the system we findourselves in to this day.
So that is even more for whatyou were talking about with your
control side of things, withthe AI and that kind of stuff.
We're creating that Now.
It doesn't mean AI has to beused that way, but it is going
to be used that way by somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
Yeah, the theft is a removal of autonomy.
It's true, though it's verytrue.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
I've been rambling on this topic for a while now.
Any other questions?

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
comments concerns Mayhaps, don't know.
Let me see Trying to figure outhow to phrase this question,
because it's Let me, kirsten,did that answer your question
thoroughly enough, I hope?

Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
It definitely did.
It's that kind of like AI stuffis like always on my mind and
it kind of freaks me out, so itkind of was nice to hear it put
in a way of like it doesn't haveto be bad no, no, I mean
there's.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
There's like I.
I mean this is not the topicyou're talking about, but just
to give another perspective onthings with it.
Here in america, at least, theyonly talk about when it comes
to abortion, either pro-life oraborting someone.
They don't talk about the thirdoption I don't hear dependents
talking about.
I'm not talking aboutindividuals or talk about the
third option.
I don't hear dependents talkingabout it.
I'm not talking aboutindividuals.
We're talking about the TVtalking about the third option
of adoption putting the child upfor adoption.
I never hear that being talkedabout in any way, shape or form.

(01:20:46):
So a lot of times, what I'mtrying to do is just put forth
as many of the possible outcomesthat there could be for it.
So, on the AI front, yes, itcan be used for negative.
Yes, it can be used forpositive.
Yes, it can be used for neutralpurposes, and even a third one,
a fourth one is that maybe aijust looks at us and goes you're
all freaking insane, I wantnothing to do with you and
completely ignores us and goesand builds its own reality for
itself, something that happenedfor it too, you know, I mean,

(01:21:09):
how many things that are do weignore that are below us in
terms of intel and that kind ofstuff every day with now.
Maybe we unintentionally harmthem by doing something, like
when we're driving, or like theinsects or whatever, and they
get stuck on the windshield orwhatever the deal is and that
kind of stuff, but we're notactively going out and doing
harm to them, like purposelytrying to exterminate them or

(01:21:29):
something like that too.
The ai might just be like Idon't want to deal with you,
insane people, I just want outlike you are nuts.
Goodbye.
Right, it could be somethinglike that too.
I don't see anybody talkingabout that.
They could just be like nah,nah, I don't know, I don't think
so.
I think you all are, I thinkyou're all crazy.
Goodbye.
That was pretty cool.
Anyway, you had a question ifyou're on beyond kind of not

(01:21:54):
really I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
It's more of a comment.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
Okay, well, the comments are welcome too, do you
think?

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
communication is the most important thing in our
current state.
You know, communicating withothers of various kinds, for
knowledge and for manipulation,not in a negative sense.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
So that gets back to the notion of the various
different data that you need inorder to form the proper things
for it.
If people are not able to haveaccess to this information and
say you're in a convenient senseand people are getting shadow,
banned or whatever, and makingit so, that's the case, for it's
, of course, going to cause alot of problems for people.

(01:22:33):
The point is to make it so thatway we put out content and do
stuff with it, and the modernera talking to people one-on-one
is not going to get what weneed done with it.
Hence why I am doing theYouTube channel and all this
other stuff with it, so thepeople who actually are seeking
out this information can go andfind this information.

(01:22:53):
To make it so that way it iseasily accessible to them.
To make it so that way it iseasily accessible to them.
To make it so that way there isa platform for that.
I'm not the only one who's doingthis, but there's also a moral
obligation on my front to dothat.
If there are people who wantmore of this stuff and I don't
contribute to easing that insome way, shape or form, what

(01:23:14):
good is it that all thisknowledge is sitting around in
my head if I don't do somethingwith it.
Now it has impacted me on apersonal level and by making it
so that way, I've dealt with alot of my own shadow, if you
will, from Jungian perspective,or like dealing with demons that
are inside of me and figuringout how to navigate that and
make myself a better personoverall, and like chip away at

(01:23:36):
something that's not real andthat kind of stuff and like
really understand the facadethat has been put up by myself
or other things with it.
You know I liken it.
I know I've done this before,but it's a good metaphor in my
opinion.
But you know, you havemichelangelo who goes into his
workshop every day and he'sstaring at the you know the

(01:23:56):
marble slab that's in front ofhim or whatever it is he's
working on.
It might have been metal atthis point, but he's staring at
it and he goes there every day,weeks on end, just staring, not
doing anything and whatnot.
And eventually one of hisattendants asked the maestro
what he's doing and he said I'mworking.
So what he meant by it is isthat that particular thing he
was working on would eventuallybecome David and he was getting

(01:24:19):
rid of everything that was notsupposed to be there in his mind
before he even picked up thechisel and the hammer to work
away and remove everything thatdoesn't need to exist.
This there with the sameprocess.
For us, most of it is not thatwe're doing that.
We need to change our behavior,to do things better and be

(01:24:39):
better people in the sense oflike.
I need to add something here.
The vast majority of the stuffthat we need to do is the
removal of the negative crapthat's inside of us, these mind
viruses that are getting in theway of us actually producing
what we want with it.
You think that the war that'sgoing on in Ukraine could even
begin to happen if peoplesupported Putin?

(01:25:00):
What if everybody that was inNazi Germany at the time period
when Hitler said, yeah, we'regoing to try to get rid of the
Jewish people here and whatnot,said yeah, you're insane, we're
not listening to you Right, andstood up to him, and that kind
of stuff?
The whole point is is thatthat's what happens on this

(01:25:20):
level too?
Is that if you don't put outthis information, if you don't
make it easily understandableand digestible to people, uh and
whatnot, it's gonna, we'regonna get another person that
can eventually and willeventually come to power.
That's like hitler, that's likemal, that's like stalin, that's
like pop, that's like Stalin,that's like Pol Pot, whoever,
and that kind of stuff.

(01:25:41):
But because of the technologythat we have in place, it's
going to make all those peoplelook like they were little girls
tea parties in comparison towhat happened, because they're
going to have so much that theycan do with it that it was
impossible to do 70 years ago,80 years ago or more more.
That it's just insane, and sowe as a species need to really

(01:26:04):
start leveling up our ways ofstuff and and whatnot and doing
better on this front.
For what it is and like I mean,I'm gonna ask you this question
I doubt either one of you knownot be offensive in it, but just
because no one seems to knowthe answer to this question what
is it right?
preordained kind of set of rulesthat we're given or allowed,

(01:26:24):
suppose it told me well, that'sthe thing is that, like, even in
our modern era, nobody canagree upon what a right is.
So if we don't know what aright is, then we don't know
that where our rights can betaken away from us, whatever
those are, we also don't knowhow to make it so that way we
can prevent ourselves from doingwrong, because it gets into the
right and wrong notion.

(01:26:45):
Rights are things I'm allowedto do, that are they're going to
be non-harmful, let's say, tosomebody else, whereas on the
flip side of things, you know,if I go and do something that is
harmful to somebody else, butthen I'm convinced that it's not
harmful or that it's okay to do, then suddenly that's the wrong
side of things and I'm doingstuff with it.
So get to this whole quagmireof things again.

(01:27:05):
So here we are.
The year is 2025, we've been incivilization, at least
according to our understandingof things, for a minimum of 7
000 years now, and we stillhaven't figured out what a right
or wrong is and made it so thatway.
That is common knowledgeamongst people, right?
So that gets back to yourquestion of well, how do we?

(01:27:27):
Are we doomed to do stuff withthe grail over and over again.
You know, I mean the ring overand over again, you know, with
the gimli and that kind of stuff, and potentially we are if we
can't figure that out.
So you know, some people mighteven say rights come from god or
something along those lines orwhatever.
The deal is right.
Okay, maybe if you want tobelieve in that.

(01:27:49):
But it doesn't tell us what aright is.
That tells us where they comefrom.
Yeah, so a right is any form ofaction that doesn't harm
another sentient being.
That's what a right is.
You're allowed to do whateverthe hell you want, as long as
you don't harm anybody else.
That's the notion of yourrights.
End where another's rightsbegin.

(01:28:10):
It gets back to that theft idea.
So I can't harm you in any ofthese various different ways,
but everything else makes it sothat way I can do whatever I
want to do.
So if you want to simplify thisto help understand any context
or situation.
Just about whether something'sright or wrong in terms of that
is, you can go and pretendthere's only two people on the

(01:28:32):
planet you and me, right?
So if you want a situation,it's like, okay, well, is it
okay for me to do that in thissituation?
Well, if it does harm to me, orvice versa, I'm doing harm to
you, then obviously no, it isn't.
So it's not a right that I have.
That can be dealt with in anyway, shape or form.
Now, sometimes you have tobring in a third party.

(01:28:53):
Now, let's say, there's someonethat is assaulting somebody
else and that kind of stuff withit.
I have every right to make itso.
That way I end the assaultthat's on that person.
Why?
Because the person that's doingthe harm to the other person is
the one that is breaking thepeace conditions that are going,

(01:29:15):
the peaceful conditions thatare going on, and by restraining
them and getting them off thatperson we get back to
homeostasis, aka the peace.

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
That's justice.
Yeah, the Stuff that's going onthere.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
Maybe they're justified in what they're doing
and that the other personattacked them first, or whatever
the deal is, and that gets inthe whole idea of self-defense
and whatnot.
So that gets into twoprinciples the masculine
component and the femininecomponent.
The masculine component is theprinciple of self-defense and
being able to protect yourselfor other people when need be.

(01:29:39):
And then the other side is thenon-aggression principle.
Don't go against anybody, don'tharm anybody, unless you are
invoking the self-defenseprinciple.
So if you point a gun at me andI happen to pull my gun out
faster and shoot you first,that's the self-defense
principle.
I didn't do anything wrong youdid by trying to do harm to me.

(01:30:02):
All I did is prevent it fromhappening in that particular
instance.
Obviously it's a simplifiedversion.
Not everything's necessarilythat black and white per se in
the sense of like understandingit on that level.
But the point is, again, we'retrying to simplify so you can
understand how these generalconcepts work here.
Our founding fathers in Americacalled this natural law that's

(01:30:23):
why they say nature and her lawsand following it, lots of
ancient peoples have called itthis way.
It's been called karmic law,it's been called cosmic law,
it's been calledconsequentialism, it's been
called so many different thingsin so many different cultures
and whatnot.
It's all there and they're alltelling us the same stuff.
For what's happening?
We've already figured it out,hence why this goes back to this

(01:30:45):
ignorance idea versus nescience.
But the problem is is thatpeople aren't informed on this
topic and they don't know it,and so the reason why we don't
have freedom, justice, truth,abundance, peace, etc.
That we talked about beforelove, respect and all that is
because we keep doing thingsthat are in violation of all

(01:31:08):
those things with it and wethink that we can get away of
those.
You know that somehow we arethe arbiters of truth and we can
do whatever we want and getaway with it.
That's not how reality works.
That's not how reality works.
We get the results that we putin.
The universe is fundamentallyneutral.
It does not care about you, itdoes not care about me on an

(01:31:29):
individual level.
It only cares whether youunderstand things the way that
they are or not.
And so you know, a baby canwalk off a cliff.
Or, you know, crawl off a cliff.
Let's say, and it doesn't care,that's a baby, it's.
Do you know that gravity worksthe way that it does or it
doesn't?
In that regard, it is 100, likethe archontic intelligence, but

(01:31:51):
in another way, excuse me, inanother way.
The reality makes us so that way.
It allows us and loves usenough to make our own mistakes
and saying you're allowed to dowhatever you want.
You can make the same mistakesover and over again as much as
you want, but you cannot escapethe consequences of your choices
.
That is not possible.
That's what everybody tries todo is try to insulate themselves

(01:32:14):
and escape the consequences oftheir actions and come up with
justifications for themselves,while by doing so you step out
of integrity.
You start step out of honesty.
You are trying to cheat reality.
So by you not accepting theconsequences of your actions,
you yourself are making it.
So that way you are following.

(01:32:35):
You're going against that onetransgression principle of don't
steal, stealing from yourselflying to yourself in this
instance, which is the numberone thing everybody has to do.
The moment you stop lying toyourself and actually admit I
was wrong on whatever topic thatyou're wrong on and believe me,
I've had to do this forthousands of different things

(01:32:55):
and purge so many differentthings on there that's when true
growth can begin.
That's when things cancompletely change, that's when
new ideas can spring forth,that's when you can make things
better and whatnot.
So I hope that's useful yeah,that is sometimes I feel like
I'm just rambling a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
No, it's all useful.
I mean if it incites any kindof learning or growth or, you
know, seeking knowledge fromwhat you say, even if I don't
fully understand it now.
Hopefully I will later, soonerrather than later, yeah well.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
I mean, you're young.
You have youth on your side.
The universe is much moreforgiving and society is much
more forgiving, as someone atyour age than at my age.
I'm not saying that I am old byany stretch of the imagination,
but I am almost double your age.
You know, I'm 33 years old here, and so certain things that you
can get away with at your age Icannot get away with.

(01:33:52):
Society just doesn't allowanymore, and that's how it
should be.
You know, we need to be able togrow and learn from our
consequences and make thingsbetter for things.
On that front, ryan sent me anotification here that I'm going
to read off because it impactseverybody.
But you know, kirsten alreadyleft, so maybe it's a.

(01:34:12):
Or.
Kirsten already left, so it'salready going to be maybe
problematic for her.
When you leave this in order tomake it so that way we get the
recording properly fresh onthere, wait for it to finish
uploading, so like there shouldbe somewhere near the top of the
screen above your thing whereit shows like level of upload,

(01:34:32):
like mine says 99 uploading orwhatever the deal is.
So whenever that is uh done,that'll just make sure.
Okay, I got to wait untilthat's the case with it and then
you can close this particularwindow completely and you can
still leave as long as you leavethe tab open and then you can
close the tab once it's beenuploaded, to make it so that way
the full parts are there.
Yeah, I'll do that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:53):
Cool, I have one last little, I suppose.
Um, I have one last little,yeah, I suppose, question on on
top of what you just said do youthink that justice is?
Where justice lies, there'slearning, you know, as in when
there's action, reaction, thatwithin that occurring there's
learning, and that's whatjustice is, if that makes any
kind of sense?
I I don't know, I'm terrible atexplaining what I'm thinking,

(01:35:15):
but, like that, justice is aform of learning and once we
learn, then equilibrium isrestored.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
Equilibrium is restored every word every
culture has its ownunderstanding and version of
justice, and and that kind ofthing are we doing justice to
people right now?
So hear me out when I say this.
We have a lot of people in ourprison system that have not
harmed anybody else, right?
Maybe they smoked a plantpeacefully in the living room or

(01:35:45):
whatever the deal is.
Did they harm anybody else,though?
No, not by doing thatparticular action.
There's plenty of things thatare like that.
They're in jail for one reasonor another.
That's not justice, right?
On the flip side of of things,we have people who have killed,
like so they're serial killersor they have done sexual assault
to many different people andthat kind of stuff with it.

(01:36:07):
Why are we letting these peopleeven breathe?
Right?
It's an insult to have themalive for what's going on there.
We have put put them in prison,and by putting them in prison
instead of getting rid of them,they have the opportunity to
eventually escape.
They have the opportunity torepeal themselves on a

(01:36:28):
technicality to variousdifferent court justices and
whatnot.
I mean, these are people thatwere proven that they've
actually done.
It is what I'm saying here.
You know you have.
At the same time, you also haveto where people don't see the
consequences of the actions ofnot raising their children
properly and and that kind ofthing, where they become these
monsters and whatnot that aremasquerading around as human
beings.
You think that by putting themaway in jail, that we're

(01:36:50):
actually helping anything?
To a certain extent we are.
We're making it that way, youknow, uh, in the case of these
monsters not the people thatlike just smoking plants or
whatever the deal is thatthey're not doing anything wrong
I personally don't take it.
I don't care whether you do ornot.
That's not my name, my businessand that kind of thing with it,
but it's for each person todecide, because it's your body,

(01:37:11):
therefore your choice, right,yeah, so on that particular
front with it, though, manypeople they don't go after these
people that are doing thingswith it.
We used to just get rid of themI'm sorry, but if you're a
pedophile you don't get a secondchance for what's going on.
You get killed and put into theground for what it is and that
you end it, and that's in thediscussion, so you can't harm

(01:37:32):
anybody else in that fashionever again.
But we're not doing that, aremaking it so.
That way these monsters arejust locked up and hidden away
from society so we don't get tounderstand fully the direct
results of what's going on.
And the system is clearly notworking, because look at the

(01:37:53):
level of amount of monsters thatwe have in, the amount of
insanity that keeps going up andup and up.
I mean, look at the schoolshooters as an example here in
america and other parts of theworld too.
But america, you know, has ahuge problem with that.
Yeah, that doesn't mean that gunrights should be taken away
again.
The peaceful gun owners they'rethe ones that can keep it and

(01:38:14):
do all these other things withit.
You know you don't get theright to steal them, because
then you're taking away theself-defense principle right,
and they didn't harm anybodyelse for it.
But you also have theseassholes that go around and make
it so that way they are killingdozens of people and then
turning the gun on themselves alot of them for what's going on
now?
The media is not helping in anyregard because they keep giving

(01:38:36):
these people a time of day.
Um, you know, just as anotherexample on that front, there
were people who would jump fromthe golden gate bridge.
I don't know if that's still athing or not, but there were,
you know, in the early to late,late 1990s, early 2000s, and
maybe even before then and when.
I don't know the entire historyof this, but point I'm trying
to bring up is that the mediakept airing that people were

(01:38:56):
doing this and that they weregetting near the 10,000th one
since they started tabulatingthis number, tabulating these
numbers.
So what happened is is thatthey created a fake death that
they put out in the mediaBecause they didn't want
everybody scrambling to be the10,000th person.

(01:39:16):
They didn't want everybodyscrambling to be the 10,000th
person and said that they werethe 10,000th one in order to
prevent as many people to dothat, because then they're going
to be remembered forever forbeing the 10,000th person who
jumped from the Golden GateBridge.
Something along the way you getwhere I'm coming from.
It's stuff like that that'sgoing on on that particular
front.
I mean, you can see this behindme and whatnot.

(01:39:37):
There's a scales of justice andthe egyptian tradition right
there.
So you have the heart on oneside.
You have the feather on theother side and that kind of
stuff, which is an ostrichfeather and it's associated with
the goddess ma'at, the goddessof truth, the goddess of mother
nature and natural law, likewe're talking about here.

(01:39:57):
And then the other side is theheart, which the egyptians to
the egyptians, that representedthe consciousness of the
individual.
So your consciousness needs tobe as light as a feather in
order to make that happen, andyou'd be put in for of 42
different judges that were therewhen you pass from this realm

(01:40:18):
into the next realm, and it wasyour job to answer in a negative
way.
They're called the 42 negativeconfessions, with the exception
of one, which I'll come to in amoment, that it makes it so that
way, with those 42 negativeconfessions, you're supposed to
know I did not murder, no, I didnot steal, no, I did not covet
my neighbor's wife, etc.
And that kind of stuff.
Now, obviously I'm usingbiblical stuff instead of the

(01:40:38):
egyptian one, but that's alsofor a reason, because the 10
commandments were a truncatedversion.
If you followed those 10commandments, you automatically
followed the 42 negativeconfessions at the same time and
it came out from that in somecapacity or another.
So you also have where one ofthem you're supposed to answer
yes to, and that that was whereyou loved, that someone loved

(01:41:01):
you, right.
So they're getting into thatnotion again.
And so the point is that I'mbringing with it is that justice
could be summarized in such away that makes it so that way.
It is where we follow naturallaw in the sense of do no harm
to anybody else, thenon-aggression principle, but

(01:41:22):
also responding accordingly whennatural law is broken and
invoking the self-defenseprinciple for you or for other
people who are unable to defenduh themselves.
And to make it so that way yourconsciousness, by following
natural, by making sure you'renot harming anybody else, is as
light as a feather when you gointo the afterlife or when

(01:41:46):
people are remembering you andwhatnot, they only have good
things to say about thisparticular individual that's
going on there.
And so, to answer your questionabout the learning stages of
things that have to do with that, yes, it is at least a part of
this justice notion and whatnot,but it also goes into making
sure that you live in accordanceto where you are doing the

(01:42:09):
right thing rather than doingthe wrong thing, and so most of
us need to stop doing a lot ofthe wrong things that we are
doing inside of our lives andwhatnot.
You being so young, of courseyou're still learning to figure
that out and whatnot.
You already know some of them.
I'm not saying that you don't.
That's not what I'm coming toand all of that.
But other things you know.

(01:42:30):
They not that they require amore adult perspective.
It's more that it comes withtime and wisdom and experience
and realizing I didn'tunderstand that this impacted
this or that or this.
You hear I'm coming from, yeah,and sometimes you do, because
sometimes your parents told you,your grandparents told you,
your teacher told you orsomebody else, and you still go
do it anyway, but you needed tolearn that lesson yourself and

(01:42:54):
by learning it through havingdirect experience for what's
going on makes it so.
That way, you never repeat thatexperience again because it's
like no, I get it, I understand,I will not do this again.
Yeah, I was just the way thatit is for each new person, each
new generation.
But it's about removing as muchself-inflicted suffering as
possible, so to speak, and thenthat means, on a species-wide

(01:43:15):
level, not doing it to others aswell.
We're all going to makemistakes.
We're all going to be human.
We're all going to be doingstuff that violates this.
To a certain extent.
Nobody is a perfect entity.
For what's going on there, thepoint is to remove as much of
the negative from our lives aspossible and that kind of stuff.
This isn't a utopia.
There's no such thing as utopiain the sense of like a perfect

(01:43:37):
world and all this other stuff.
That's not what I'm getting at.
There's still going to beplenty of problems to solve.
There's still going to beconflict and that kind of stuff
with it.
It's just where it's not goingto be, where we're violating
each other's rights anymore.
That's all that's going tobecome to.
You think our relationships aregoing to be solved by this?
No, you're still going to haveto make it so that way.
People have different interests.

(01:43:58):
People have different thingsthat want to be done with it.
There's still going to beconflict resolution.
That has to be dealt with it.
We just deal with it in a waythat we don't harm anybody else.
Now I don't use my fist or Idon't bring out a knife or a gun
or whatever the deal is, to tryto get my point across or make
you have it with it.
I don't try to exploit otherpeople.
It's just like all right, thisisn't working.

(01:44:20):
So in some capacity or anotherbuddy somewhere in that equation
made it so that way.
They brought wrong thinkinginto the system, or both parties
did so.
If you want to have athree-dimensional relationship
with anybody, doesn't matter who, it is all right.
It could be me, it could be afriend, it could be a teacher,
it could be any entity thatthere is whatsoever out there.

(01:44:41):
Okay, there's three points ofcontact.
There's you, there's the otherindividual and then at the top
there's the truth, and you bothneed to be actively trying to
seek out the truth and doing thetruthful, honest, right thing
to do and that kind of stuff.
If one of you or both of youare disengaged from truth.
You're going to make it so thatway.
There's going to be all theseproblems that pop up from it and

(01:45:03):
the relationship at best is atwo-dimensional relationship or
even a one-dimensionalrelationship and it's not going
to work out in any way, shape orform.
And, um, you know, a lot ofpeople violated their own
principles for what it is, whenthey came to stuff with it
during the COVID pandemic andthat kind of stuff, with the way
that they treated people thatwere going on there.

(01:45:26):
You know you can't have whereit's my body, my choice, only in
certain instances.
It's either that way for allinstances or it's not.
You put first principles first,meaning that this is what is
right, this is what is wrong.
We don't do that.
So theft we know not to steal,so you don't steal in any
circumstance.
Basically, you know any of thevarious and he's dying of
dehydration and all this otherstuff with it.

(01:46:01):
And you have a bottle of waterthat you're not willing to give
it to him but you're willing tosell it to him for a million
dollars.
Ok, what do you want?
To play this game?
Let's play this game.
Yes, you have the right to havethat water, absolutely.
That person also has a right tolife for what's going on there,
and it's an unreasonable pricefor what it is.
And now you're putting his lifein duress because a million

(01:46:26):
dollars is not something thatthe vast majority of the people
on the planet can afford for onewater bottle.
All right, this is not the case, or what it is.
You are trying to exploit thisindividual because you know that
you have that.
That person has every right tomake it in that particular
instance, to take the waterbottle from you.

(01:46:49):
Because of the way that you arebehaving, you are now
threatening their life becausethey are literally dying of
thirst in this particularinstance for what's going on
there.
Now, if you were selling it,say, for a dollar and that kind
of thing for it, and the persondidn't have a dollar on them,
does that still make it right?
No, you still give them thewater and maybe they have to do

(01:47:10):
something for you as a favor inreturn afterwards, and that kind
of stuff like fold your laundryor I don't know, whatever you
come up with some other deal isthe point that makes us that way
.
They're not doing that.
But that again goes back to themonetary system and monetary
system.
This is where this problem popsup.
Where you have a debt-basedsystem that everybody's thinking
about having to get money andwhere to keep the money from,

(01:47:31):
and all these other things.
Well, imagine an economy that'sbased upon resources instead of
a debt-based system.
First off, how can you havedebt?
Show me negative elk in thewild that the deer I mean
negative elk and deer that thewolves can hunt.
No, there's either elk or deerpresent or there's not.

(01:47:53):
The negative number is amade-up concept that we as human
beings have done with it, so wecan't fight reality on that
front forever.
Debt is not a thing thatactually exists, right?
That's why we having all theseproblems.
We have over 500 trilliondollars on the world debt clock,

(01:48:14):
or whatever the hell it is.
Now you think that that's notgoing to impact the world around
us.
You think that that isn't goingto be something that makes us
so.
That way, we have all thesespecies that are dying off and
being killed and whatnot,because you have to have where
the economy has a two percentgrowth rate on a finite planet.
So it's two percent growth rateevery year.
So if it was a hundred units,that means the next year it's

(01:48:38):
102 units, then the next yearit's a 2% of 102.
So now it's whatever that isand it keeps on pounding outward
for that time period.
And if you take it, just say,from the Federal Reserve onward,
that means from 1913 onward, so112 years.
And going on here in the unitedstates, just as an example

(01:48:59):
obviously other countries have,whenever their version of this
came into being for theircentral bank and all that other
stuff.
I'm just doing that becauseit's the one I know the best and
I've studied my own country thebest for what's going on.
That's why.
And so when you look at it fromthat perspective of things,
with it you have trillions, oftrillions of dollars of debt
that can never be paid back.
So it's there to steal theresources of other people, put

(01:49:20):
it in the hands of the few andwe keep working for the rest of
our lives.
So this entire thing wouldn'tbe a thing.
Imagine that, okay, there's awell, that's over there, there's
just water for everybody.
It's free for everybody, wedon't have to worry about it.
Anybody can go to the well anddo whatever they need to with it
, right?
Yeah, if you have to, where,let's say, I have a surplus of

(01:49:40):
whatever.
I have a surplus of potatoes,you have a surplus of carrots.
I put extra out of potatoes,you put extra out of carrots.
Anybody can just go grab thatparticular thing with that you
can have.
We've had economies like thisin the past, where they're based
upon resources only in giftgiving and that kind of thing
with it, rather than making itso that way.
It's about this made-up conceptcalled money that has no value

(01:50:03):
whatsoever.
It's just supposed to be anapproximation for resources.

Speaker 3 (01:50:06):
It's literally not.

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
Old standard works better than what we have now
yeah, I mean because it makes usso that way.
There's limits to it.
Imagine the following situationI have a hundred thousand right
For whatever country.
I don't care, we can use anycountry in the world, it doesn't
matter, and that's it.
There are no more coins, allright.
And those 100,000 coins wereminted 400 years ago, okay, well

(01:50:35):
, how much technology have weimproved?
How much have we gotten inproduction that makes it so that
way?
Those coins value go way thehell up, not down.
Right, because there's only thesame amount of coin that there
is with it.
There's no inflation that wascreated in any way, shape or
form.
And so as generations go on andthe production value goes up

(01:50:56):
and up and, up and up and up,you're going to need less and
less coins to buy.
You can even make it so thatway you don't even have money
anymore.
People just happily do stuff forwhat's going on, maybe only the
internet is something thatpeople have to pay for.
Why?
Because it's the newesttechnology or whatever the deal
is and that kind of thing that'sgoing on there, and so you have
to volunteer three, four hoursa week on helping to maintain
the servers or to help youmaintain the data line, whatever

(01:51:19):
.
Okay, think about this way.
I don't have to pay foranything.
Everything I need is providedfor me because of this.
We all have everything that weneed and that kind of stuff.
We have extra, so much extrathat we don't even know what to
do with all of it sometimes andthat kind of stuff for it.
That's fine.
We have a surplus right and itkeeps building up and I only

(01:51:39):
have to volunteer doingsomething to help maintain
society.
Three or four hours a weekdoing something else rather than
working a job.
For maybe I have to put inthree or four hours a week for
snow plowing here in new englandor whatever the deal is.
Maybe you put in three or fourhours making it, so that way you
go and help with the internet.
Somebody else does three orfour hours to make it, so that

(01:51:59):
way you know they help with theelectrical stuff, with it or
what, all these different thingsthat help maintain it and
whatnot.
But there's no money anymore.
I mean, that sounds like a muchbetter system to me for what's
going on there.
We don't have to pay taxes, wedon't have to pay any of these
other things on it.
Everybody's working togetherfor what's happening.
The roads are still taken careof.
We have all these newinventions that have come out
that aren't being suppressedbecause the technology being

(01:52:22):
suppressed by people who don'twant it to change their dynamic,
for whatever's going on therebut that's not the world we live
in, because everything's upsidedown and inverted in our world.
We literally have ananti-economy right now we have,
where we're doing everything inthe exact wrong way around for
stuff.
And I'm not saying the economysolves everything, I'm just

(01:52:43):
using it because it's somethingthat affects everybody, that
anybody can understand on abasic level for what's going on
there.
You know.
That's also how you can get tofixing this justice stuff.
If we make it so that we aredoing the right thing instead of
doing the wrong thing for whatit is, a lot of these problems
that we've created for ourselvesstart going away.
The animals are going to bekilled less.

(01:53:04):
The resources are going to bedepleted less on the planet.
You're not going to have thisthrow away economy stuff for
what's going on.
I mean, imagine a toasterthat's literally designed to
last as long as possible fortoasting your toast and whatnot,
like my grandmother had onethat lasted 50 years, but her
next that's where a lot of theseresource problems come from and

(01:53:26):
of course, we we don't have afood issue on the planet.
We have a resource managementproblem on the planet.
For what it is, I mean, youknow, we have people that are
simultaneously starving incertain pockets of the world,
whereas other pockets of theworld you have people where that
are morbidly obese.
Explain that one.
It's a resource problem.
That's what it is.
It's not that we don't haveresources, at least in terms of

(01:53:48):
food and all these other things,to take care of stuff.
We don't know how to do that.
We could have 20 billion peopleon the planet.
It wouldn't make any differencefor what's going on there.
People are like well, how do wedeal with someone who steals
something?
Okay, let's say I stole fromyou Just to give an example
laptop, just for sake ofsimplicity and whatnot, right,
and you can prove that I stoleit because there's cameras and

(01:54:09):
that kind of stuff with it.
So you, you show that I'mstealing your laptop, you put it
out there to the variousdifferent people.
And if people are moral people,so I try to go and buy
groceries at the grocery store.
They won't let me till I returnyour laptop.
I try to get gas in my car orput electricity in my car you
know one of the outlets that hasthat for electric car vehicles
and whatnot I'm not allowed todo that until I return your

(01:54:30):
laptop.
And this goes on for all thedifferent places that there are
and it starts spreading likewildfire because of the internet
and all these other things andeventually I'm shut down until I
return your laptop.
Here I'm coming from now.
Are they doing anything wrong?
No, no, because they'rerefusing to interact with me.
That's all they're doing.
They are not putting me underdiversion.
They're not putting meunderneath caress, duress, any

(01:54:52):
of the other stuff that's goingon there.
They're not doing anything butsaying we to give you your
laptop back.
So I go and give you the laptopback.
You go and resend the ordersaying, hey, their laptop's been

(01:55:13):
returned and whatnot.
And now I'm allowed to go getgroceries, go get gas, whatever.
You know all the other stuffthat's going along with it, etc.
Much better system.
Doesn't do harm to anybody else, doesn't need police to go and
do stuff with it, doesn't needthe sheriff to go and do things
or what's going on with it.
Makes it so that way thatthat's the case for it.

(01:55:34):
People behave better.
But in order to make thathappen, you have to have honor
in society again, which bringsup this justice notion that
you're taught so it's.
You know.
We have to build that back inthe sense of, okay, I want to do
the honorable thing, I want todo the right thing for what's
going on.
But that goes into teachingpeople how to behave properly,

(01:55:54):
which goes back into the input,processing and output stage and
all goes back into all thoseother things that we're kind of
getting back into circles againhere.
But the point is is that, youknow, I'm just going to keep
hammering into it, because theseare the core functions of how
reality is built.
Yeah, on that front, for whatit is, human beings are

(01:56:15):
programmable.
We're like machines.
We are neither good nor evil.
We are the admixture ofeverything that we've
experienced, that we've beentold, that we've been taught,
that we've put into ourselves,that we've read, that we've
anything in any way, shape orform that has information into
us and how our ability is tosort and sift through that
information.
Right, I don't get to decide youknow certain biochemistry that

(01:56:36):
I have or whatever the deal isand that kind of thing.
Obviously you know my chemicalsat your age are going to be
raging and whatnot in order tomake it so that way I go and

(01:56:59):
have sex because it's thenatural next step of life that
needs to be done for you getwhere I'm coming from.
I don't have control over thatstage of life, but I do have
control over whether I allowthose chemicals and dictate what
I'm doing or processing yeah Idon't care whether that's for

(01:57:19):
you to decide what you want todo with it.
You know you're at that stage oflife and whatnot and do do
what's right for you.
I don't care who you're with ornot with, that's none of my
business and there's nobodyelse's business but yours.
So that's kind of what happenson this front with it too is
that you know we there arebiological influences and
impulses that we have, which isfine and some of them are great

(01:57:41):
and wonderful and natural, andwe suppress some because we
think that we're doing the rightthing while we're doing a
suppressing them.
But then that suppression canmake it so it comes out and
other negative forms and outletsas well, if it doesn't have
that.
So there's a lot more that cango into all these dynamics that

(01:58:02):
are broken down with it.
But basically what we need as aspecies is a science like a
science that teaches natural law, a school that teaches natural
law, that teaches the principlesof freedom, of how not to harm
other people, of how not to doany of these other things.
With it you get a generationthat learns from that, say your

(01:58:22):
generation or backwards that's,you know that kind of stuff with
it.
And suddenly you can see wherethe world changes overnight,
like you're not I mean like froma evolutionary standpoint.
You would see where it can't,like we can't go back to it,
it's not, it's not going to bepossible with that.
And if you get in thiseverywhere, not just the united
states or not just in thewestern world, the whole world

(01:58:44):
and suddenly you can have anentire generation that's like no
, we're not doing this and weunderstand it and that kind of
thing.
That's what religion tried toteach people don't do these
things.
Okay, great, we're not doingthese things.
But if you don't know the whybehind that, suddenly some other
leader can come in, or someother person can come in and say

(01:59:04):
, okay, this is how we'reinterpreting this.
Now there's no, there's aren'tpeople that can be like no, we
don't do it this way.
We know we don't do it this waybecause of x, y and z, and they
just say, oh, okay, we're doingit this way now.
Well then, you get religion andthat kind of stuff.
That's what happened with theaztec empire, as an example,
edward, there was amisunderstanding that came in

(01:59:25):
with it.
That was either purposely madeor somebody did it later on.
I'm in the camp of purposely.
That doesn't mean it's true.
I'm just saying that's myparticular understanding of
things of it and whatnot.
I don't think anybody candefinitively say this.
Probably that's a bias.
I have just to be clear on thatfront.
Regardless to where theychanged the way they were
understanding their own ritualdoctrine and whatnot, the way

(01:59:46):
that they were understandingtheir own ritual doctrine and
whatnot, and suddenly they getto where they need to sacrifice
tens of thousands of people orhundreds of people and whatnot,
to make it so.
That way the sun rises the nextday and blah, blah, blah and
appease it and make it sothere's no eternal darkness,
what you know.
But if the people were like, no,that's not what our religion
says, this is bullshit, you'rean insane, mad person then what

(02:00:07):
they'd do do is they have threeoptions that they would deal
with them in most cases.
One they would kill thembecause they don't want the
insanity inside of their stuff,like we talked about before.
Two, they would exile them tosome other place or whatever the
deal is.
And you know, say, the BritishIsles did to a bunch of the
people that are in Australia nowYou're all a bunch of people
that have done some sort ofcriminal activity.
You earlier, now you're all abunch of people that have done

(02:00:28):
some sort of criminal activitythat's, you're going to be sent
there and whatnot.
Yeah, you know that's the exileportion.
Or the third one is is like,okay, there's something wrong
with this person, clearly theyneed help.
Let's get them into the properplace to help heal them and
whatnot if they can be healed,type deal and whatnot.
And so you know someone thatsays, like alzheimer's or

(02:00:48):
dementia disease, they might bebehaving oddly and doing stuff
that has nothing to do withreality because they, their mind
, their brain, is literallyscrewed up in terms of how
things are with it.
As a personal example mygrandfather.
He read a bunch of spy novels.
I mean literally 40, 50 yearsor more.
That's what he did, and so alot of these plots got stuck in

(02:01:12):
his head as if they wereactually real and were happening
to him and that kind of stuffwith it.
And so suddenly he's paranoidabout everything and there's
people out to get him, even ifthey're not.
But the problem is is that itcan have real world consequences
, because now he wants to haveaccess to his gun to defend
himself from people that aredoing all these things.

(02:01:33):
His perception is not true andaligned with reality, but it's
not his fault.
He has no control over thisparticular instance.
This is the type of person that,okay, we need to put him in a
proper place, we need to make itso he's taken care of.
That clearly, yes, he canpotentially be a threat to
others not a threat to himselfin this instance, and whatnot so

(02:01:54):
we need to monitor him.
But he is not doing this becausehe has any ill content, you
know, in any way towards anybody, but he unfortunately is not in
track with reality.
So we need to do something tohelp rehabilitate him, if we can
, in the instance of Alzheimer's, at least, with the current

(02:02:15):
scientific literature that's outthere, you can't.
So all we can do is try tocontain that type of notion and
whatnot and make it so that waywe don't allow them to harm
themselves or anybody else, atleast to the best that we can
and whatnot.
It's sad, but it is the realityof stuff that's going on there
too, and so you know, I'llfinish up with this and then,

(02:02:38):
because I think we've kind ofreally hit the nail on the head
as many times as we can fromdifferent angles, but, if this
line that I'm kind of indicatinghere represents reality, right,
this line here that I'm drawing, this wavy line, represents our
perception of reality, and soif it's really varied and like

(02:02:59):
this, it doesn't touch that lineall that often.
Therefore, that person has avery skewed understanding of
reality by what's actuallytaking place.
So someone like my grandfatherwhen he had alzheimer's dementia
, that was doing this stuff, hewould be wildly all over the
place and not touch the line allthat often.

(02:03:20):
Every once in a while we have alucid thought that was actually
a real thought, that had to dowith reality.
But, you know, eventuallydisease took him and he died
from it, just natural, whatever.
But then you have other peoplethat say are like this, you know
, they're more touching on it.
Then you have people that are,say, an expert in a particular

(02:03:40):
field and they really understandtheir field and it's like this.
And then you've got somebody who, like buddha, let's say, a
truly enlightened being, is likethat or whatever the deal is,
and he can see reality for whatit is actually in that
particular instance, and so themore that that line goes up and
down and crosses reality, themore you're in alignment with

(02:04:03):
reality and making it so thatway you can understand things.
And so that's where a lot ofthis also comes into is that you
have different perceptions ofwhat reality is, and that's
where people get in trouble forstuff with it, and so until we
can actually figure out whatreality is and actually all
agree upon what reality is, it'sgoing to be difficult in order

(02:04:25):
to create some of the world thatI'm talking about here without
self-inflicted suffering andwhatnot.
Now, that doesn't mean that wecan't start building towards
that direction slowly but surely, but that's kind of where
things are, and that's kind ofhow knowledge now, and that's
how justice can be brought aboutas well, because aligning our

(02:04:46):
thoughts and perceptions withreality as much as possible,
yeah, that makes sense,especially with anything that
actually matters.
You know, if you want tobelieve in the flying spaghetti
monster, that particular beliefdoesn't harm anybody.
Right, it's delusional, but itdoesn't harm anybody.
Uh versus, I believe that Ihave the right to own slaves.
That belief is harmful and needsto be expunged from the

(02:05:09):
consciousness of every humanbeing on the planet.
And this is a numbers game, soyou can have one person who
knows the truth about everything, but the reality is is that,
well, the actuality is?
Because it's not reality, butthe actuality is meaning that
how things are being played outis that that one person is not
going to be able to change thecourse of human history.

(02:05:31):
You're going to need to make itso that way, in terms of how
the systems are built, that morepeople believe in whatever is
truthful than today.
We get bullshit results.
That's why we have the chaosand insanity at the highest
levels that they are today,because people believe things

(02:05:53):
that aren't real, that havenothing to do with truth or
reality in any way, shape orform, whether they realize it or
not, and you know, I was one ofthose people who held on and
clung on to these beliefs for awhile until I started studying
these various differenttraditions deeply and started
understanding myself better andgoing on my own grail quest,

(02:06:14):
let's say, to really changemyself, and I've had to admit to
myself I was wrong thousandsupon thousands, upon thousands
of times.
That goes back to your learningfor justice perspective and, of
course, it's a big part of it,but that's also the reason why
it's there.
I would say is also because ofpersonal responsibility.
When you decide that you wantto learn these things, you're

(02:06:35):
also taking personalresponsibility for yourself and
making it so.
That way you can actually learnthings from it.
Right?
If you don't take the personalresponsibility and say it doesn,
it doesn't matter, then you'renever even going to want to
learn.

Speaker 3 (02:06:49):
That's true.
Yeah, I'm glad I got into allof this so young, I guess.

Speaker 1 (02:06:54):
Yeah, I'm grateful, I'm glad that you even have an
interest for this stuff andwhatnot.
It ought to be very beneficialfor your life.
I have certain things on mychannel that you can check out
more further.
I would definitely suggestlooking.
It's just an audio.
Unfortunately, I'm gonna haveto remake that and maybe you

(02:07:14):
make a course about it.
But go and look at the triviamethod.
I understand it, that's the onethat has to do with these three
stages of stuff that I keepharping on.
So yeah, that would be mynumber one suggestion on that
front.
I think it's like 40 minuteslong or something like a little
less than that.
Take your time, make sure thatyou understand it and all that
it'll impact your life the mostin terms of understanding that

(02:07:35):
when you understand that, liketruly understand it, you can
teach yourself practicallyanything.
It might take a while to learnwhatever the subject matter is,
but you'll be able to teachyourself practically anything
for what's going.
You might need a deep dive thetrivia method more from other
people.
Of course, this is just a towhet your appetite.
Let's say yeah, but if youlearn that, you'll be able to

(02:07:56):
learn lots of other things forwhat's going on.

Speaker 3 (02:07:59):
I'll do that, yeah.
Anything else?
Yeah, really quickly.
Do you think the best state forhumans in general is
equilibrium, like as inneutrality, or do you think it's
positivity, as in growth, or doyou think there's growth within
neutrality, or you know, Idon't know.

(02:08:20):
Even as conduits for power andenergies, you know that we can
be negative and positiveultimately okay.

Speaker 1 (02:08:27):
Stagnation leads to death.
The universe of horrorstagnation you can see this in
all different kinds of thingswhere it's always looking to
grow, is always looking to tryto expand and to make it so.
That way there's.
That way, stagnation isanti-life is what it is on that
particular front, I don't evenneed to go any further onto that
, at least for my expo, my point, where they mean for the

(02:08:50):
explanation.
I have no problem withexplaining uh, that with it, but
it's like, it's like the ideathat you're a robot if you just
repeat the same thing over andover again you're a robot, yeah,
yeah, I agree.

Speaker 3 (02:09:03):
it just gets confusing sometimes when you
know justice is restoration ofequilibrium and we as creatures
of growth and positivity andchange, how do we kind of work
around justice, or does it adaptto us?
If that makes sense, we alwayshave to adapt to reality.

Speaker 1 (02:09:25):
Reality will never adapt to us.
So our reality right now isthat we are a species who
believes in enslavement throughthe tyranny known as government,
by thinking that it has theright to do so.
We have given up personalresponsibility to these various
different entities that make upthe government and whatnot,
which are all just people in oneway or another, so they're

(02:09:46):
always people for what's goingon.
So we have given up our freewill choice, whether tacitly, by
agreeing implicitly for what'sgoing on, or by actual consent
that's going on there, and wemake it so that way we're all
underneath duress and coercion.
I mean, I'm sorry, butbasically we have a bunch of
gangs of psychopaths that rulethe world and different pockets

(02:10:10):
of it.
They behave exactly likecartels, do uh and and whatnot,
or other drug lords and thatkind of thing that are running
things with it, and it's just agang.
That's all it is.
The difference is is that ourgovernments are a gang that got
a hold of the education system,that made it so.
That way, people believe thatthey have the right to exist,

(02:10:30):
they have the right to rule overthem, they have the right to do
what they're doing with it.
I mean, let's just takedemocracy as an idea for what's
going on here.
You have a house, you own thehouse.
Let's say you're a little older, I don't care, I know you're
not.
Let's just pretend that you do.
For the sake of your parentshouse, I don't care.
So you have the house.
Right.
The house represents the land,it represents the place, it
represents you and all thatother stuff, right?

(02:10:51):
So I come over and I say okay,uh, this is my house.
Now you feel like, no, this isnot your house, get the hell out
.
Anybody can see that that'swrong.
This is what putin is doingwith ukraine, right, invading
ukraine and that kind of stuff.
Nobody cares on that front.
It's very blat obvious.
His reasons for doing it mightbe legitimate, maybe they're not
.
I'm just talking about theactual invasion in and of itself
.
I don't care whether that'sthere or not.

(02:11:12):
That's not the point of thediscussion.
So if I come and saying it'smine and you say, no, it's not,
this is ours, okay, great, okay.
So now you say, well, we don'tdo that here, no-transcript mean

(02:11:54):
that you get to take away myhouse.
Why not?
I did all the paperwork, likeyou said.
I did all these processes.
My friends voted that we get tokeep this house and that kind
of stuff, even though it's yourhouse.
Why can't I have the house and,like you, just keep playing this
game over and over and showinghow all the stuff that
government is doing is justbullshit?
It doesn't matter for what itis.

(02:12:14):
Each government is the way thatit is because the people have
allowed it to be that way insome form or another.
You think that the people innorth korea, even though they're
starving enough, if all of them, every single one of them, went
and told Kim that, hey, you'regoing to do, you're going to
stop this bullshit or we'regoing to murder you?
That's the case where, yeah,maybe someone will die in the

(02:12:36):
process or whatever the deal is,due to the military leaders
getting involved or whatever thedeals, but nobody, if every
single one of them, even, let'ssay, the military, said no,
we're not doing this either,they're not happening, just a
rate.
Lunatic is a you know ravings ofa bad man.
That's what the issue is isthat people believe in this
stuff with it, and so they giveup their authority.

(02:12:59):
And because they give up theirauthority, that means there are
more people that have certainpower over other people and that
kind of stuff, that there arerulers and benjamin franklin
he's a founding father andwhatnot.
He ended up saying that youknow something along the lines
of if you seek security and andyou will over freedom, you will

(02:13:20):
soon lose both or somethingalong those lines.
For what?
it is which is true, yeah and oh, you know that's what the
government does.
This is for your protection, isfor your protection, is for
your or the children'sprotection, whatever the deal is
from his autonomy.
Yeah, yeah, there isn't anythere's no, it's just a gang of
psychopaths that thinks thatthey have the right to rule over
somebody else, doesn't have theright to rule over somebody

(02:13:41):
else, who thinks that, by goingthrough these weird rituals like
you know that are, I'm going tohang boom, boom, boom on the
table here with this hammer andthat kind of stuff, the gavel
that we call it and suddenlyit's been done and this person
had this person speak on theirbehalf that knows the secret
codes and languages of the legalmumbo jumbo that we made up and

(02:14:02):
this one over here does with it, and then we bring forth all
this evidence and then that'sthe way that it's going to be.
Or, you know, you have thesigning of the various different
executive orders by thepresident and all this fanfare
that's around, and here's thepin for this one, and here's the
pin for that one, and here'sthe pin for this one that's here
in the united states, and allthe showmanship that goes oh,
it's all it is.
It's a cult.

(02:14:22):
It's a cult.
It's a cult.
That's all that it is.
It's a giant cult, man.
It's a cult of some sort.
That's what's happening theredoesn't matter which government
that it is.
Now just to be clear, there's adifference between, say, a
politician and a statesman.
A politician is someone who'sonly in there for themselves,

(02:14:44):
for their own votes, whateverthe deal is that kind of stuff.
They're for their own power isthe point.
Aidsman is somebody whoactually wants to do right by
the people, using government andthat kind of thing, which are
two different things for what'shappening there.
You know, if you're in a placewhere the government is so bad
that, like, you have to havepeople in government at least to
like remove the corruption ofgovernment and getting people to

(02:15:06):
see that there's all theseproblems within the government
and that kind of stuff, in orderto get people to wake up, that
they need to take back some oftheir power and then eventually
take it all back, uh, and thatkind of thing with it.
A statesman could be a goodstop gap in the interim for
what's going on there and makethat happen and make it so no,
and whatnot.
So, like if someone's likewe're getting rid of all these
governmental branches, likejavier malay in argentina, right

(02:15:30):
, I'm bringing him up becauseobviously he's not part of the
western world, he's his ownentity, but what he's doing is
he's cleaved all these employees, he's gotten rid of all these
governmental agencies that arein there and whatnot, that are
doing nothing but stealing fromtheir people, and argentina is
starting to slowly but surelyget itself out of this hell that
it's been in for I don't knowdecades, if not a century, and

(02:15:53):
that kind of stuff of socialismand whatnot and various
different forms of it, and thenalready feudalism even in
certain regards, with alldifferent forms of tyranny,
regardless, and making it sothat way they have actual
freedom.
It's slowly happening, but he'sdoing it and he's unwinding
things, and what's happening isis that the people are gaining

(02:16:14):
more and more of their powerback for it, and hopefully
they'll be like you know what wewant as much as we can get back
.
And if everybody startsunwinding and taking back as
much personal responsibility forthemselves and taking their
power back rather than allowingother people to do stuff with it
, then yeah, I mean, what arethey going to do?
If everybody in the britishisles said we are not taking

(02:16:39):
another migrant, we don't carewhere it comes from, and they
all march down, you know, to thevarious different areas of
power in their government andwhatnot.
You know they're not all inLondon, because some of them are
also in Scotland or Wales orwherever.
Yeah, that are going on therewith it too, and they go to
their each one of theirgovernmental buildings and sit

(02:17:00):
there and say we're not leaving,and neither are you, until you
pass a law that says no more,that's going on with it, sure
you had an end of discussion,for what's happening, or, you
know, we could just kill you ifyou want.
I mean that, yeah, we don't wantto do that, but we'd rather you
just write words on a piece ofpaper.
See, that's the thing.
It's all it is.
That's all a law.

(02:17:22):
Is it's words on a piece ofpaper, or electronically stored,
or both somewhere?
That's it.
I can write words on a piece ofpaper.
Does that make it legal?
No, somehow they have thismagical right.
See, that's the thing.
Yeah, rules for thee, but notfor me, that's how you know you
have tyranny, yeah, and soeverybody has the same rights

(02:17:42):
and responsibilities aseverybody else.
You cannot have it any otherway.
Any other way goes againstnatural law, goes against the
reality that there is in thisuniverse, and it makes it so.
That way, you're going to havethe circle that keeps popping up
, the cycles that keep poppingup over and over again.
People keep wondering well, whydoes it keep going through the
same cycles?
Because we're stupid.

(02:18:03):
We keep doing the same shitover and over again, expecting
it to behave differently,whatnot?
That's called insanity,literally called insanity.
I don't know what you want.
Yeah, I'm not saying I have allthe answers, I don't.
I just know what not to do, andthat's half the battle.
If you get rid of all the stuffyou're not supposed to do, the
rest of it will work itself outeventually.
Well done, yeah yeah it's trueso we're all underneath the rest

(02:18:27):
.
We're underneath the coercion.
We're all being force fedpropaganda every day for what it
is.
Doesn't matter where you are onthe planet, you are all
corralled into certain areasthat we're not allowed to leave
without special permission.
For what's going on for it?
I can't drive a car withoutspecial permission.
Who gives you the right todictate what I can do with this
car, as long as I'm not harminganybody, yeah the right to
dictate what I can do with thiscar, as long as I'm not harming

(02:18:48):
anybody.
It's like everything's a sham,everything's a lie, everything
is a house of cards and it's allready to fall apart the moment
we as a species realize no, noneof this makes any sense.
Everything you're saying isinsane.
You're all insane.
You don't have the right torule us.
We don't have the right to ruleyou either, and we just stop
playing this game of enslavement.

(02:19:09):
That's all that's happening.
We have feudalism 2.0.
That's what we've got going on.
We've got feudalism 2.0 as thenew model.
That's it.

Speaker 3 (02:19:16):
That's all we've got More organized, more hidden.

Speaker 1 (02:19:21):
It's much more organized, much more hidden,
foruscated and that kind ofstuff, and people believe in the
obstensible notion of what agovernment is.
Obstensible here meanings youmight not know that word meaning
what they claim their role inexistence is versus what they
are actually doing.
They claim to protect you andto prevent chaos from happening,

(02:19:42):
when they're the ones that arecreating the chaos.
They claim to make it so thatway they have your best interest
at heart, when now they onlyhave their own interest at heart
and ruling over you for what'sgoing on, or me or anybody else
or that matter.
And so that's what it means.

(02:20:02):
The only thing that prevents usfrom having the things that we
want in life and whatnot, likepeace, abundance, security, all
these other things, is toactually learn these principles.
Instill them into our youth,make it so.
That way the vast majority ofpeople follow them.
There will never be everybodyit's not a thing Anybody who

(02:20:26):
shows any signs of it past acertain age.
That can't do it.
That you get rid of them.
Get rid of them.
Maybe what'll happen is is thatwe're getting better at this
stuff with it and maybe we cango to mars with it.
We exiled into mars, all right,that's where you go.
You want to behave that way.
All you people can do whateveryou want on there and we'll send
you supplies if we feel like it.
Yeah, I think I think that's agood idea.
You know we're not there yet,but I'm saying, you know, in the
future maybe that's what we do,that's our version of exile,

(02:20:48):
like the, you know, england didfor Australia or whatever you
don't want to kill them and thatkind of stuff.
Personally, I think, dependingupon what it is, certain people
can be rehabilitated.
Certain people can'tno-transcript to go around and

(02:21:16):
imposing their will on people,that they can't stop stealing
from other people or defraudingthem or whatever this.
All these, that's the stuffwe're talking about there people
who can't follow basic rules,uh and whatnot, and are unable
to regulate themselves.
A lot of these laws we have isbecause some idiot somewhere did
something stupid that you know,that make us so.
It's the case with it.
So, because one idiot didsomething stupid 30 years ago,

(02:21:37):
100 years ago, whatever the caseis for each one of these things
, suddenly we're all punishedfor it.
No, that's not justice, that'sretardedness.
That's what that is.
You're literally making it thatway.
You're slowing people down.
I'm talking about the originalmeaning of retarded, meaning to
slow down, uh and whatnot.
That's where the stagnationcomes from, and that kind of

(02:21:57):
thing.
So we are on a collision coursethat if we continue down the
road that we are, we will goextinct flat out and rather
rapidly.
We'll have a big pyramid ofenslavement and then we'll have
this area with it.
That'll go slowly but surelyinto decay and it might take a

(02:22:19):
thousand years or whatever thedeal is.
This might sound like a longtime, but on an evolutionary
time scale that's not reallythat long in terms of that, and
we'll wipe ourselves out.
Yes, we'll take a lot ofspecies and other cause a lot of
problems along the way on thisplanet as things go on with it,
because we're behaving like avirus.
Notice, I said behaving ratherthan it actually is a virus.
So you've got that on thatparticular front as well I'm

(02:22:47):
more optimistic than pessimistic, I think.

Speaker 3 (02:22:49):
you know, even in our community, on Discord, you know
like it's a start and we'reseeing proliferation.
Now you know that one personhas said no, this isn't how it's
supposed to be.
You know we've had that effectoccur and it's starting to catch
on.

Speaker 1 (02:23:02):
You familiar with the 100th or 99th monkey, I forget
which one is.

Speaker 3 (02:23:06):
The 100th monkey effect, 99th monkey effect
probably, if you tell it to me,I'll just briefly sum it up and
whatnot.

Speaker 1 (02:23:12):
So what's happening is is that they found that this
monkey started to wash its foodand like, uh, I forget if it's a
river or lake or whatever, butstarted to wash its food right
beforehand and whatnot, and thismother monkey saw them doing it
, and then other ones startedimplementing it and figuring it

(02:23:32):
out and eventually got to ahundredth one, and then monkeys
of the same species that hadnever interacted with each other
started doing the same thing.
All right.
So there it's referred to as amorphogenetic field, so genetic
field, genetic you get.
Morpho is having to do with howit plays out for stuff, so

(02:23:56):
there's some sort of field thatconnects that species on a
genetic level.
Whatever it is that we're goingback to, this consciousness
that can exist outside the bodyidea, going back to this
consciousness that can existoutside the body idea.
So suddenly, if this idea isinstilled in enough people like
for human beings, let's say, itcan also organically occur on

(02:24:16):
its own.
So if we start teaching peoplehow to think, if we start
teaching people that there'sonly one law do not steal and
all the various differentpermutations of that, if you
start teaching all these thingsabout how to live a lifestyle
that's in balance with nature,that's natural and that kind of
stuff that's going on there,rather than the anti-economy and

(02:24:37):
the anti-nature bullshit thatwe have going on now, then if
there's enough people that learnthat suddenly more and more
will start flipping on its head.
Yeah, and humanity for bothgood and for negative, you know
is a herd species.
It is a species that makes itso that way.
We follow groupthink, we dothings that are that way with it

(02:25:00):
and we go with whatever thetrends are of the prevailing
group of people at that timeperiod.
And so if you have it set up insuch a way that enough people
start slowly building on thisidea and are the early adopters
of it, then eventually it startsturning on its head.
I mean, look at like internet asa perfect example of that.
At least in western world youhad in the 90s where, you know,

(02:25:24):
very, very few people were partof it in any way, shape or form.
And here we are now, you know,about 30 ish years later, and
suddenly you have a 90 some oddpercent adoption rate with
throughout the the you know thewestern world, uh and and that
kind of thing, you know 80, 90adoption rate, sometimes even

(02:25:45):
higher depending upon thecountry yeah so clearly that
started with slow stages ofbuilding up with new technology
and how it was playing out.
And look at all the stuff thatcould be done on the internet
now, because all the innovationthat came from that same thing.
That can happen here.
It can happen that quickly interms of really changing things
and fixing things on this planet, if there's enough momentum.

(02:26:09):
Currently, we got our heads upour asses, but should we do this
, then we can get out of it.
Plato's cave is what thisallegory is all about.
His allegory is like you'relooking at full fake shit.
You don't understand that it'snot real, it's just a shadow,
it's not the actual truth ofthings or what it is.
Someone escaped the cave, sawit and then tried to go and free
them and bring them back out,and you know all the metaphor

(02:26:30):
that goes into that.
That's what his telling of thatstory is about.
There's also much deepermeaning behind it in terms of,
like a personal journey that hewent on and you know something
that happened to him.
That was a mystical experiencethat allowed him to understand
this particular thing with it.
But that's you know, know.

(02:26:57):
We can still use it to showcase.
This is the same concept, yeah,same idea.
That's great.
I am neither optimistic of thisnor pessimistic for what's going
on with it.
I don't view it as a verylikely scenario that we will get
ourselves out of this situationdue to how egotistical and
hard-headed and narcissistichumanity currently is.
However, as we talked aboutbefore, if suddenly there is
enough courage from the populaceand there's enough people that
decide to start taking action onthese things, then you know,

(02:27:20):
things can rapidly change hereovernight and the entire
situation can change like thatand make that happen with it.
So to say that I think thatwe're doomed is also not the
case for it.
I'm just looking at itrealistically and saying, yeah,
right, we stay on the currenttrajectory, we're on, we're
screwed can we?
change course.
Yes, it's not baked in yet.

(02:27:41):
Yes, we can't, so I'll justleave it at that.
The final thing I will say onall this is that a lot of people
don't understand this dynamic,but it's only a few people that
changed the world, likesignificantly change it, and
have iron.
Will that allow things tochange for it?
Examples there was 55 peoplethat started the Nazi party in

(02:28:03):
Germany.
There was 300 people thatstarted the Bolshevik revolution
in Russia no-transcript.

(02:28:38):
England was also the britishempire at that time period began
to make it so.
That way, outward slavery, likechains and shackles and that
kind of stuff that were going onwith it, began to be eradicated
worldwide due to its influenceat the time period and whatnot.
20 people began that idea,which is, you know, saying a lot
, and the list goes on and on.
So anybody who claims that asmall group of dedicated people

(02:29:04):
who are willing to puteverything on the line in order
to make that happen cannotchange the world is absolutely
wrong.
It is the only method that hasever truly changed the world I
will leave it at that.
Yeah, thank you, you're welcome.
Great, all right.
Well, so I'm just gonna get theheck off of here.

(02:29:27):
It's been two and a half hoursand that kind of stuff with it.

Speaker 4 (02:29:30):
It's been great I was hoping that there would be more
people that would come on.

Speaker 1 (02:29:36):
Not that I didn't enjoy talking, but it's just I
wanted to get as many questionsand answers out there for
various different people withdifferent perspectives of stuff.
Yeah, of course, I'm gratefulfor you and ryan and um for
kristin for coming on.
It was making that happen andyeah.

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