November 19, 2024 • 15 mins
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Unlock the secrets of Arthurian legends and the mystical poem "The Elucidation" as we embark on an epic journey through the world of fairies, knights, and ancient lore. Have you ever wondered how a breach of hospitality could lead to the downfall of a land? This episode promises to enlighten you about the ties between regal fairy beings and the guardianship of sacred wells, tracing a path through the cultural tapestry of Celtic, Gaelic, and Nordic traditions. Join me, Nathaniel Heutmaker, as I unravel the enigmatic connections between these myths, exposing the intricate dance of justice and vengeance that propels the Knights of the Round Table and their encounters with the fairy realm.
Together, we will navigate the complexities within "The Elucidation," often considered the lost book of the Grail, and its links to storied tales like those of the Swan Knight. This exploration draws you into the heart of medieval storytelling, where the symbolic significance of the number seven weaves through mystical traditions such as chakra systems and Kabbalistic thought. As I share my ongoing research, you'll be invited to engage with a world where myth meets history, and where every revelation brings us one step closer to understanding the enigmatic minds behind these timeless tales. Prepare yourself for an intellectually stimulating exploration that promises to deepen your appreciation of these captivating legends.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hello and welcome back to the Forbidden Knowledge
Podcast.
I am your host, nathanielHoitmacher.
Today we'll be going back intothe Arthurian myth and tradition
.
This time we'll be talkingabout a poem that I had
discovered called theElucidation.
It's a very, very short poem.
It's an anonymous poem that wasmade in about the 1220s or so
(00:26):
is what it seems to be circathat time period, maybe a little
later, and it seems to besomething that has to do with
what one could call like thefairy agreement, the fairy
accord.
It makes references to multipleother Arthurian myths and
traditions.
At least so far as I can tell,I'm still obviously in the
(00:47):
beginning of researching allthis stuff, so it'll take some
time for me to get used toseeing everything.
Just yet it's taking thisjourney with you all at the same
time as I'm actually doing it.
I know the last time we saidwe're going to talk more about
Wolfram von Aschenbach'sParzival, but this particular
(01:08):
one really caught my eye and I'mgoing with it instead for the
time being.
One of the things that it talksabout is the fairies, as I
mentioned before.
So this is something that Iknow very little about,
something I'm going to have todeep dive myself and learn more
(01:28):
about that particular aspect ofit.
I can flat out tell you, fromthe limited information that I
do have, that they are not thisdiminutive meaning small
creatures that are sprite-likeor whatever.
That was a romantic notion thatwas created literally in the
Romance period by the peoplethat were doing so in the
(01:48):
Victorian era, which means thatwhat we are used to thinking of
them as small little creaturesthat have wings, that are, you
know, flitting around us andthat kind of stuff like
Tinkerbell or whatever that'snot how they actually are.
They seem much more akin towhat we would see in Lord of the
(02:10):
Rings in terms of kind of likean elven thing.
I'm not saying we should equatethem with elves.
I'm saying that they seem to becloser to that.
Based upon my currentunderstanding of them and the
little bit of research that I'vedone into that, it is quite
clear that, at least in thetradition, that is, in the
elucidation, that the particularstory that's being told here
(02:49):
about the fairies and whatnot isthe fact that they themselves
represent another realm, thatthere's a spiritual component
rather than just the physicalrealm that we currently all
understand around us at thisparticular point in time period.
And you have, where thesefairies, specifically maidens
that there are.
They are guarding these wellsand when someone comes to these
(03:10):
wells they make it so that waythey give them food and respite
from their travels and that kindof stuff type hospitality, if
you will that anybody can get.
It doesn't matter who they areor why they're there and and
that kind of stuff with it.
And each one of these fairieshas a golden cup, as it is
referred to, and whatnot.
(03:31):
My suspicion is is that this issomething that is a holdout
from a traveler thing with that,with the Celtic peoples and
Gaelic peoples that are thereand even potentially the Breton
peoples themselves and Pictishpeoples and whatnot.
I do know for a fact that theNordic peoples had this idea of
(03:54):
when someone was coming to theirplace, that they needed to make
it so that way these travelersas long as they were not there
to do any harm to them, ofcourse, course were welcomed and
that they were to be given allbenefits of the doubt and make
it so that way they were givengreat hospitality with great
food, a place of lodging, tostay and all that other stuff
with it.
This is a theme that was there.
(04:16):
It seems to be a theme, that'swith these other groups of
people that were studying andand that kind of stuff which
makes us that way.
It's highly probable that, ifthat is the case, that it is a
indo-european type idea, whichis most certainly the case to a
certain extent.
So we see this happening withit.
(04:36):
But then we also see that,unfortunately, there's this king
, king named Agamemnon, whodecides that he's going to
violate the maidens of thesewells quite literally and rape
them, and then his men go and dothe same thing and then they
are taken and abducted away, andwhen that happens, it makes it
(05:00):
so that way we start getting awasteland and that there is
destruction throughout theentire country of Logros, as
it's called Now.
Logros is the name for theBritish Isles, which would, in
this case, would include Ireland, it would include Scotland, it
(05:21):
would include Wales, it wouldinclude England, it would
include the Isle of man and allthe surrounding territories that
are immediately part of theUnited Kingdom and Ireland.
So that's what I mean byBritish Isles on that particular
front there.
And so it's the entire kingdomthat is now in disarray because
(05:42):
of this violation of thehospitality of the maidens and
them getting to do anything forpeople that come by with it.
According to the story the poemthat is, which is only about 484
lines long, which sounds likeit might be a long thing, but if
you were to print it out in abook, it would maybe be 10 pages
or less printed out in a bookand maybe be 10 pages or less.
(06:09):
Um, one of the things thathappens on that particular story
idea is that it mentions thatthere are seven, uh, attempts at
the grail and seven parts of tothe story and whatnot.
Um, so this immediately bringsto mind a couple of ideas that
that are happening there.
You have seven chakra systemsand seven centers for what's
(06:29):
going on there.
For those of you who think thatthat is a huge stretch and that
is just an Eastern idea, thatis, simply put, not the case.
We can see this notion insideof Kabbalah, where it is Western
mysticism that goes on there,using specific notions that are
happening with it.
They have what are called dualchakras, one that are expressed
(06:52):
inwardly and one that areexpressed outwardly, making it
so that way you have morechakras than just the seven in
terms of how they are understood, but in reality there are only
seven.
We also have to where the Vedictradition is 100% from the
Indo-European groups or theProto-Indo-European groups,
which include the Nordic peopleand, of course, the most
(07:13):
importantly the ones that we'restudying, the Gaelic-Celtic
people and Breton people.
And so when you add all thattogether for what's going on,
you get to where there's adirect connection between the
two sides, for it I will giveyou an example of this for
what's happening Inside of theNordic tradition, just very
(07:36):
briefly there is somethingthat's called the Dis or the
Disir, which has to do withbasically all the female
entities in general, which hasto do with basically all the
female entities in general.
And you have in the Vedictradition, you have some entity
that is known as the Dasana, andDisir and Dasana are cognates
(07:57):
with one another.
They come from the sameetymological roots for what it
is.
And there's other things thatprove definitively that the
Vedic tradition is completelywrapped up with the
Indo-European side of things andthat the notion of there being
a chakra-type system for what'sthat that would be for the
(08:19):
Western civilization, theWestern side of things, and then
not just the Eastern side, forthis is very easy to understand
and see that there areconnections there that would
make that very possible andplausible.
I'm not saying it isdefinitively the case.
I'm saying that it seems verylikely that it's talking about
that and by activating each oneof these chakras, each one of
these branches of the story thatmakes us that way, the whole
(08:42):
entirety of the grail's questand tradition can be revealed
properly.
Now, why am I bringing that up?
Well, clearly, it has to dowith the spiritual understanding
of things that are going onhere.
Otherwise, you wouldn't havethese otherworldly beings that
are being talked about in termsof fairies and an accord that's
broken, that needs to berestored.
You also have to where you havethe candelabra right, which is
(09:13):
the seven branched thing thatyou see for the candles and
whatnot.
You know the menorah is alsocalled, and so when you have
that aspect of it as well, itcould be another reference to
those aspects to bring it.
You know there's seven days ofthe week and those seven days of
the week were based upon godsand, in this case, planetary
bodies.
Specifically, you have to wearthe seven planetary bodies that
(09:35):
are on.
That particular thing would bewhat we could see with the naked
eye.
So, on that particular front,it would be the sun, the moon,
venus, mars, mercury, jupiterand Saturn.
All of these are planetarybodies that can be seen with the
naked eye, and all of our daysare named after these planets in
(10:04):
some form or another, forwhat's happening?
You can see this with Sunday isthe day of the sun, monday is
the day of the moon, you haveTuesday, which is the day of
Mercury, and whatnot Excuse me,marty Mars, sorry.
Then you have Wednesday, whichis Mercredi in French, which
(10:24):
would give us Mercury in termsof the planet.
You have Friday, which isassociated with the goddess
Phrygia, which gives us Venus,because you have Vendredi in
French, the Venus, or what'sgoing on there.
You have saturday, which issaturn, of course, and then you
(10:47):
have thursday, which is thursday, named after the norse god,
thor, and uh, which would bejupiter, if you put it all
together, for what's going onthere.
And so it should just be areference to these various
different planetary bodies andmaking it so they're all aligned
, for what's going on there too.
I don't think it's acoincidence that it's a number.
(11:08):
Seven is the point.
I think that there's anotherconnection to all these things
that need to be laid out on thatfront, because there are these
other branches that need to bediscovered here.
It makes it so that way we haveto obviously read a lot more of
the traditions in order tobring them together and piece it
together and see if there isProblem is, some of these
stories may not have survived.
(11:29):
The poem that I'm talking abouthere is pretty much ignored by
most scholars because it doesn't.
They don't like it, it doesn'tfit for what they want to look
into, which is dumb in myopinion, because again that
means you're electing to ignoreinformation that potentially
fill in gaps or what's going on.
The elucidation makesreferences to, you know,
(11:52):
percival.
That was written by chretien detrois, who is the first
medieval scholar to go and dothis for the christian mindset
and bring that into that side ofthings with it.
Obviously it pulls fromParzival, it pulls from the
first continuation, the secondcontinuation, etc.
In other words, this issupposed to explain why certain
(12:16):
events happened that's why it'snamed the elucidation and that
it's going to give the entiretyof the understanding of the
tradition to it.
Unfortunately, I don't know ifit actually does or not at this
stage.
I know that it tantalizes andteases its reader that it will,
and maybe it seems like it can'tdo it in its 484 lines.
(12:39):
But until those 484 lines aredeep dived and until the 440,
excuse me, 84 lines are gone,and looked at the other
traditions that exist with it,it would be very difficult for
me to say one way or another.
So you have that particularfront with it.
You know there's lots of thingsthat need to be deep dived here
(13:04):
.
I just thought I'd give you anupdate on what I have been
personally doing, what I've beenpersonally researching during
this time period.
I expect to be doing moreupdates more quickly.
The plan is to try to make itso that way.
It's not that far behind incomparison to real world stuff
that I'm doing.
So I will be putting outprobably a couple videos a week.
(13:27):
Potentially they're going to beshorter, like this one is, you
know, 10, 15, maybe 20 minuteslong and just kind of letting
know where I'm at, what I'veresearched, what I haven't
researched, what's going onthere.
So yeah, that's where I'm at.
I've been looking into this poem.
It's called the Elucidation.
(13:49):
Some people have referred to itas the lost book of the Grail.
It really seems to tie a lot ofstuff together from the limited
information that I've been ableto pull from, and it is quite
clear that there's lots of stuffthat's going on there.
It talks about various differentbattles, it talks about the
Swan Knight, it talks aboutmaking it so that way the
(14:13):
Knights of the Round Table thatKing Arthur had that they want
to get vengeance on you know,the descendants of the people
who did this to the Maidens ofthe well and the fairy people.
But then they learn certainthings prevent that from
happening.
So, anyway, we'll go and deepdive more of this as time goes
(14:35):
on and things make themselvesmore apparent.
But that's what I've beentrying to figure out at this
stage of things, and so I thankyou all for coming with me on
this particular journey that Ihave done here.
You know, the stories willbecome more and more clear as we
get further and further into itfor the information that's
(14:56):
happening with it, and I'm goingto be pulling from my extensive
knowledge that I already have,while adding to it at the same
time, and so I hope you foundthis entertaining and somewhat
useful for the next stages ofwhat's going on here.
I'll see you in a couple ofdays, thank you.
Hello and welcome back to the Forbidden Knowledge
Podcast.
I am your host, nathanielHoitmacher.
Today we'll be going back intothe Arthurian myth and tradition
.
This time we'll be talkingabout a poem that I had
discovered called theElucidation.
It's a very, very short poem.
It's an anonymous poem that wasmade in about the 1220s or so
(00:26):
is what it seems to be circathat time period, maybe a little
later, and it seems to besomething that has to do with
what one could call like thefairy agreement, the fairy
accord.
It makes references to multipleother Arthurian myths and
traditions.
At least so far as I can tell,I'm still obviously in the
(00:47):
beginning of researching allthis stuff, so it'll take some
time for me to get used toseeing everything.
Just yet it's taking thisjourney with you all at the same
time as I'm actually doing it.
I know the last time we saidwe're going to talk more about
Wolfram von Aschenbach'sParzival, but this particular
(01:08):
one really caught my eye and I'mgoing with it instead for the
time being.
One of the things that it talksabout is the fairies, as I
mentioned before.
So this is something that Iknow very little about,
something I'm going to have todeep dive myself and learn more
(01:28):
about that particular aspect ofit.
I can flat out tell you, fromthe limited information that I
do have, that they are not thisdiminutive meaning small
creatures that are sprite-likeor whatever.
That was a romantic notion thatwas created literally in the
Romance period by the peoplethat were doing so in the
(01:48):
Victorian era, which means thatwhat we are used to thinking of
them as small little creaturesthat have wings, that are, you
know, flitting around us andthat kind of stuff like
Tinkerbell or whatever that'snot how they actually are.
They seem much more akin towhat we would see in Lord of the
(02:10):
Rings in terms of kind of likean elven thing.
I'm not saying we should equatethem with elves.
I'm saying that they seem to becloser to that.
Based upon my currentunderstanding of them and the
little bit of research that I'vedone into that, it is quite
clear that, at least in thetradition, that is, in the
elucidation, that the particularstory that's being told here
(02:49):
about the fairies and whatnot isthe fact that they themselves
represent another realm, thatthere's a spiritual component
rather than just the physicalrealm that we currently all
understand around us at thisparticular point in time period.
And you have, where thesefairies, specifically maidens
that there are.
They are guarding these wellsand when someone comes to these
(03:10):
wells they make it so that waythey give them food and respite
from their travels and that kindof stuff type hospitality, if
you will that anybody can get.
It doesn't matter who they areor why they're there and and
that kind of stuff with it.
And each one of these fairieshas a golden cup, as it is
referred to, and whatnot.
(03:31):
My suspicion is is that this issomething that is a holdout
from a traveler thing with that,with the Celtic peoples and
Gaelic peoples that are thereand even potentially the Breton
peoples themselves and Pictishpeoples and whatnot.
I do know for a fact that theNordic peoples had this idea of
(03:54):
when someone was coming to theirplace, that they needed to make
it so that way these travelersas long as they were not there
to do any harm to them, ofcourse, course were welcomed and
that they were to be given allbenefits of the doubt and make
it so that way they were givengreat hospitality with great
food, a place of lodging, tostay and all that other stuff
with it.
This is a theme that was there.
(04:16):
It seems to be a theme, that'swith these other groups of
people that were studying andand that kind of stuff which
makes us that way.
It's highly probable that, ifthat is the case, that it is a
indo-european type idea, whichis most certainly the case to a
certain extent.
So we see this happening withit.
(04:36):
But then we also see that,unfortunately, there's this king
, king named Agamemnon, whodecides that he's going to
violate the maidens of thesewells quite literally and rape
them, and then his men go and dothe same thing and then they
are taken and abducted away, andwhen that happens, it makes it
(05:00):
so that way we start getting awasteland and that there is
destruction throughout theentire country of Logros, as
it's called Now.
Logros is the name for theBritish Isles, which would, in
this case, would include Ireland, it would include Scotland, it
(05:21):
would include Wales, it wouldinclude England, it would
include the Isle of man and allthe surrounding territories that
are immediately part of theUnited Kingdom and Ireland.
So that's what I mean byBritish Isles on that particular
front there.
And so it's the entire kingdomthat is now in disarray because
(05:42):
of this violation of thehospitality of the maidens and
them getting to do anything forpeople that come by with it.
According to the story the poemthat is, which is only about 484
lines long, which sounds likeit might be a long thing, but if
you were to print it out in abook, it would maybe be 10 pages
or less printed out in a bookand maybe be 10 pages or less.
(06:09):
Um, one of the things thathappens on that particular story
idea is that it mentions thatthere are seven, uh, attempts at
the grail and seven parts of tothe story and whatnot.
Um, so this immediately bringsto mind a couple of ideas that
that are happening there.
You have seven chakra systemsand seven centers for what's
(06:29):
going on there.
For those of you who think thatthat is a huge stretch and that
is just an Eastern idea, thatis, simply put, not the case.
We can see this notion insideof Kabbalah, where it is Western
mysticism that goes on there,using specific notions that are
happening with it.
They have what are called dualchakras, one that are expressed
(06:52):
inwardly and one that areexpressed outwardly, making it
so that way you have morechakras than just the seven in
terms of how they are understood, but in reality there are only
seven.
We also have to where the Vedictradition is 100% from the
Indo-European groups or theProto-Indo-European groups,
which include the Nordic peopleand, of course, the most
(07:13):
importantly the ones that we'restudying, the Gaelic-Celtic
people and Breton people.
And so when you add all thattogether for what's going on,
you get to where there's adirect connection between the
two sides, for it I will giveyou an example of this for
what's happening Inside of theNordic tradition, just very
(07:36):
briefly there is somethingthat's called the Dis or the
Disir, which has to do withbasically all the female
entities in general, which hasto do with basically all the
female entities in general.
And you have in the Vedictradition, you have some entity
that is known as the Dasana, andDisir and Dasana are cognates
(07:57):
with one another.
They come from the sameetymological roots for what it
is.
And there's other things thatprove definitively that the
Vedic tradition is completelywrapped up with the
Indo-European side of things andthat the notion of there being
a chakra-type system for what'sthat that would be for the
(08:19):
Western civilization, theWestern side of things, and then
not just the Eastern side, forthis is very easy to understand
and see that there areconnections there that would
make that very possible andplausible.
I'm not saying it isdefinitively the case.
I'm saying that it seems verylikely that it's talking about
that and by activating each oneof these chakras, each one of
these branches of the story thatmakes us that way, the whole
(08:42):
entirety of the grail's questand tradition can be revealed
properly.
Now, why am I bringing that up?
Well, clearly, it has to dowith the spiritual understanding
of things that are going onhere.
Otherwise, you wouldn't havethese otherworldly beings that
are being talked about in termsof fairies and an accord that's
broken, that needs to berestored.
You also have to where you havethe candelabra right, which is
(09:13):
the seven branched thing thatyou see for the candles and
whatnot.
You know the menorah is alsocalled, and so when you have
that aspect of it as well, itcould be another reference to
those aspects to bring it.
You know there's seven days ofthe week and those seven days of
the week were based upon godsand, in this case, planetary
bodies.
Specifically, you have to wearthe seven planetary bodies that
(09:35):
are on.
That particular thing would bewhat we could see with the naked
eye.
So, on that particular front,it would be the sun, the moon,
venus, mars, mercury, jupiterand Saturn.
All of these are planetarybodies that can be seen with the
naked eye, and all of our daysare named after these planets in
(10:04):
some form or another, forwhat's happening?
You can see this with Sunday isthe day of the sun, monday is
the day of the moon, you haveTuesday, which is the day of
Mercury, and whatnot Excuse me,marty Mars, sorry.
Then you have Wednesday, whichis Mercredi in French, which
(10:24):
would give us Mercury in termsof the planet.
You have Friday, which isassociated with the goddess
Phrygia, which gives us Venus,because you have Vendredi in
French, the Venus, or what'sgoing on there.
You have saturday, which issaturn, of course, and then you
(10:47):
have thursday, which is thursday, named after the norse god,
thor, and uh, which would bejupiter, if you put it all
together, for what's going onthere.
And so it should just be areference to these various
different planetary bodies andmaking it so they're all aligned
, for what's going on there too.
I don't think it's acoincidence that it's a number.
(11:08):
Seven is the point.
I think that there's anotherconnection to all these things
that need to be laid out on thatfront, because there are these
other branches that need to bediscovered here.
It makes it so that way we haveto obviously read a lot more of
the traditions in order tobring them together and piece it
together and see if there isProblem is, some of these
stories may not have survived.
(11:29):
The poem that I'm talking abouthere is pretty much ignored by
most scholars because it doesn't.
They don't like it, it doesn'tfit for what they want to look
into, which is dumb in myopinion, because again that
means you're electing to ignoreinformation that potentially
fill in gaps or what's going on.
The elucidation makesreferences to, you know,
(11:52):
percival.
That was written by chretien detrois, who is the first
medieval scholar to go and dothis for the christian mindset
and bring that into that side ofthings with it.
Obviously it pulls fromParzival, it pulls from the
first continuation, the secondcontinuation, etc.
In other words, this issupposed to explain why certain
(12:16):
events happened that's why it'snamed the elucidation and that
it's going to give the entiretyof the understanding of the
tradition to it.
Unfortunately, I don't know ifit actually does or not at this
stage.
I know that it tantalizes andteases its reader that it will,
and maybe it seems like it can'tdo it in its 484 lines.
(12:39):
But until those 484 lines aredeep dived and until the 440,
excuse me, 84 lines are gone,and looked at the other
traditions that exist with it,it would be very difficult for
me to say one way or another.
So you have that particularfront with it.
You know there's lots of thingsthat need to be deep dived here
(13:04):
.
I just thought I'd give you anupdate on what I have been
personally doing, what I've beenpersonally researching during
this time period.
I expect to be doing moreupdates more quickly.
The plan is to try to make itso that way.
It's not that far behind incomparison to real world stuff
that I'm doing.
So I will be putting outprobably a couple videos a week.
(13:27):
Potentially they're going to beshorter, like this one is, you
know, 10, 15, maybe 20 minuteslong and just kind of letting
know where I'm at, what I'veresearched, what I haven't
researched, what's going onthere.
So yeah, that's where I'm at.
I've been looking into this poem.
It's called the Elucidation.
(13:49):
Some people have referred to itas the lost book of the Grail.
It really seems to tie a lot ofstuff together from the limited
information that I've been ableto pull from, and it is quite
clear that there's lots of stuffthat's going on there.
It talks about various differentbattles, it talks about the
Swan Knight, it talks aboutmaking it so that way the
(14:13):
Knights of the Round Table thatKing Arthur had that they want
to get vengeance on you know,the descendants of the people
who did this to the Maidens ofthe well and the fairy people.
But then they learn certainthings prevent that from
happening.
So, anyway, we'll go and deepdive more of this as time goes
(14:35):
on and things make themselvesmore apparent.
But that's what I've beentrying to figure out at this
stage of things, and so I thankyou all for coming with me on
this particular journey that Ihave done here.
You know, the stories willbecome more and more clear as we
get further and further into itfor the information that's
(14:56):
happening with it, and I'm goingto be pulling from my extensive
knowledge that I already have,while adding to it at the same
time, and so I hope you foundthis entertaining and somewhat
useful for the next stages ofwhat's going on here.
I'll see you in a couple ofdays, thank you.
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