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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and welcome to
the Forbidden Knowledge Podcast.
My name is Nathaniel Hoitmacherand I will be your host Today.
We'll be continuing on with thelesson of true care and how
important it is to tyingeverything together and every
other aspect of our lives, andjust showing the general
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importance of this particularemotion and this particular
state of being.
I wasn't intending on going anddoing another episode on this,
but there was something thathappened in my personal life
that has made it so that way.
I feel compelled to do so, toshare a story that I feel
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perfectly encapsulates theentire point that I'm trying to
make, as well as the state ofhumanity as a whole at this
particular point in time period,and it is unfortunately a very
in my opinion, it's kind of asad story.
It's one that doesn't have toexist and yet it does.
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That doesn't have to exist andyet it does, and it is just a
perfect one to illustrate howridiculous we've become, how
disconnected we've become fromone another, in an era where we
can be more connected than atany other time, to show how
surface-level we are in terms ofour general understanding of
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things and paying lip service tothings and not actually really
caring about anything that we'retalking about on deeper levels.
And anyway, it's a personalstory in a way, in the sense
that I was part of it.
But without further ado, I'mjust going to get straight into
the story.
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Thank you so at my work, we havedifferent shifts and we have
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different things that we do ondifferent days.
I'm not going to get into whatall that is.
It's not important for thepoint of the story, but it is
for the shift part.
There's only one day that Iwork with this individual that I
have overlap with.
It's on Fridays, and it's abouta four, four and a half hour
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overlap of time period.
And then, of course, usually weare not doing similar or same
task to make it so that we willwork together due to us being on
different shifts and how thingsplay out on that particular
regard.
But on this particular day afew weeks ago, this ended up
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happening to where we were putnext to each other, back to back
, and were doing similar things.
For what was going on there?
Now, this is a young woman whois in her mid-20s.
Most heterosexual men wouldconsider her to be very
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attractive and she has a veryunique style that she has for
her personal fashion and itstands out pretty
straightforward and honestly andand it's, you know, it's
alluring in a way um, becausehow striking it is and, you know
, not everybody's going to likeit.
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Some people are going toabsolutely hate it.
Some people are going toabsolutely love it.
Uh, some people are just goingto be wondering what the heck?
Why is she wearing that typedeal?
But the point is, because ofhow unique it is and how much it
stands out, that it's obviousthat it's there and that it's
being called out to and thatkind of stuff with it.
So I don't know her all thatwell.
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She doesn't know me all thatwell on a personal level.
I decided to start chattingwith her to try to make the time
go by a little faster andwhatnot, and to just, you know,
get to know a colleague better.
And eventually we get to aroundwhere I start talking about
stuff with her and her style,and so I asked her what made it
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so that way.
She chose this style, what,what was the origins of it?
What, um, what's importantabout it for her?
Why did she basically, how itcame into being and why she
chose it and to wear thesethings and and and that kind of
stuff, and what were herinfluences and her past that
made that happen, etc.
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Well, before she even went andtold me what that stuff was in
terms of the connections intoher past and what made her where
now and kind of who she is on adeeper level a little bit, and
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whatnot.
She.
She said something that reallytook me aback.
I don't even know if sherecognized that.
She said it out loud, or maybeshe did and just needed to say
it out loud and whatnot, butwhat she had stated was the
following no one has ever askedme that question before.
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To me that was mind boggling,that nobody could, you know, ask
that question before.
It seems like the most obviousquestion to ask for someone who
dresses in such a unique way.
I mean, this is a slightexaggeration, but imagine
everybody's dressed in ourmodern clothing time period and
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whatnot.
And then suddenly you getsomeone that shows up wearing
clothes from, like, theRenaissance Fair or medieval
time period.
Okay, they obviously stand out.
That's how much her stylestands out.
It's literally stands out, it'svery unique, it's very much
that with it.
And no one has ever asked thisquestion to her before in her
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life, and she's in her mid-20s.
This is ridiculous to me.
It makes absolutely no senseand it shows how little we
actually care about one another.
Now, granted, there might bepeople that she has that are
friends or make family member orwhatever that know already and
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so they don't need to ask.
Okay, fine, but she's surelymet new people around along the
time periods from when thisstarted, because it went back to
teenage years, according to her, and whatnot.
So she's had a decade plus ofwearing this style or something
similar to it, and no one hasever asked her about why she
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wears the stuff that she did andwhatnot.
Now, according to her, someonedid ask it, but they were asking
it in a very demeaning way andwhatnot.
They didn't ask it from a placeof curiosity and trying to
truly understand.
They asked it in a way that hadto do with, you know, being
derogatory towards her.
Um, so there have been peoplethat have asked, of course, but
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she meant it in a way that'slike actually truly caring about
the origins of it and wantingto understand her better and
knowing that.
So, the most basic thing aboutthis person that anybody can go
and ask because it's right therein front of you, then you can
see and ask because it's rightthere in front of you, then you
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can see.
No one has taken the time toactually ask her about it in a
way that is to truly understand.
It's mind-boggling, it'sabsolutely mind-boggling People
that she has surrounded herselfwith.
They don't actually care abouther unless they already know why
, for what's going on.
They are what we would callfair weather friends.
They are people who are justthere because they want to be
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around her or make themselvesfeel good or whatever.
They're paying lip service tothe idea of being friends, but
if shit were to hit the fan,they wouldn't actually be there.
They wouldn't actually doanything with it.
They don't care about her on adeeper level because they don't
even understand her.
You can't love someone or hatesomeone until you understand
them.
It's just a fact.
You can't do that.
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You can't make it so that youtruly care about something until
you actually understand it on adeep level, or at least want to
understand it on a deep level.
This question that I asked isnot a deep level question.
I'm not asking something thatshouldn't have been asked by
somebody else and whatnot.
I mean, imagine, think of itthis way we have this thing
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called the cognitive attachmentmap, all right, and so think of
it like a bullseye for for, likearchery and whatnot, the rings
that go into it, or like adartboard for the rings that go
into it At the center of mostpeople's attachment map
cognitive attachment map istheir body, their physical self.
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Maybe, if they have children,their children are there, and
then themselves, for what'sgoing on, and that's the most
important, important part, thecore of who they are and what
they believe about themselves.
And then, as we move furtherand further out and different
layers of the rings and whatnot,we get to the very edges of
things.
Those are the other things thatare become less and less
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important as we get out closerto the edges and they define the
person less and less, and so,at least, how they view
themselves, less and less.
And so you know, obviously, ifshe's wearing this and it's
unique to her and all that it'simportant.
But it's also something that,while it might be near one of
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her core aspects of herself,it's something that's blatantly
obvious for anybody to go andask again, because it stands out
like a sore thumb.
It's just, it's just rightthere all the time for anybody
to deal with it.
And so the fact that nobodycame to her in such a way and
asked the question in a way thatwasn't coming from a place of
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assumption and wasn't comingfrom a place of being demeaning
or degrading or, um, you know,treating her like crap in some
capacity or another, andnobody's asked her.
This is just terrible.
It shows how humanity hasfallen, and to such a level,
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such a state that everything'ssurface level, everything has no
deeper meaning to stuff with it.
We can't even ask the basicquestion of why anymore.
That's been so beaten out of usthat we don't ask that of our
friends and trying to understandthem, so that way we can
understand what motivates themand understand how they think,
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why they think what they think,etc.
For what's going on.
And so this young lady has madeit so.
That way the people that arearound her and surround her have
shown their true colors.
At least in my estimation,they've shown their true colors.
Again, if they already know why, then that's a completely
different story for what's goingon.
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But everybody else, they'rejust surface level stuff.
They're there for somethingelse.
For what's going on with it.
My guess is, for part of thereason why this has occurred is
because of how a beautiful sheis and and whatnot.
Most heterosexual men wouldfind her very attractive and
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very alluring, regardless ofwhat she was wearing or not, and
you know.
So it makes it so that wayfalls into two categories
typically for men that wouldapproach her, one being that
ones that actually do approach,and then ones that don't.
The ones that don't are justgawking at her from a distance,
putting her up on a pedestal,not saying anything, not knowing
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what to do, not interacting,and maybe, if they do go over
there, they fumble over theirwords and, you know, nothing
comes of it, because too manypeople approach her all the time
.
Then the ones that actuallyapproach her they don't care
about her as an individual, theyonly care about using her.
They don't care about seeingher, they don't care about
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understanding her.
It doesn't have to be forsexual purposes, for the use,
although it can be.
For that it could be that theyjust want eye candy, someone
that they can take with them andhave them on that for it.
So you know, maybe some friendsdon't ask these questions, but a
romantic, potential romanticpartner should, um, you know, it
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doesn't matter whether she's inthe men or women, I don don't
know.
None of that matters in any way, shape or form.
The point is, is that nobody inher circle has ever told her
that, and she felt the need toacknowledge the fact that I had
done something that no one elsehad done before in the way and
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manner in which I did it, thatno one else had done before in
the way and manner in which Idid it, and you know that's just
sad to me.
It's a very sad situation andyou know, I'm wanting a positive
outcome for her and I'm wantingher to, you know, get people
who actually care about her inher life and to make it so that
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way she has that.
For you know, she has to makeher choices for what's going on
there, and I'm I don't know herall that well.
I'm not going to try to pushthe issue in any way, shape or
form for what's going on there.
But this is true of many otherfacets of humanity as well.
Where, you know, there's, say,a homeless person and whatnot,
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how many of people now are doingTikTok videos or YouTube shorts
or whatever the deal is,showing them helping this
homeless person?
They don't actually care aboutthe homeless person.
They're not actually teachingthem how to be not homeless or
helping them to buy a house orgetting them a job or doing
anything else that comes alongwith that.
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They're just using the homelessperson to get likes and
approval on their particularsocial media platform of choice.
This is the state of humanity.
This is how far we have fallenin terms of not actually taking
care of one another and focusingonly on surface level stuff
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that doesn't actually have anymeaning whatsoever.
Now, I'm not saying every humanbeing on the planet is this way
and I'm not saying that all oflife is this way and that nobody
cares about anything at all,because if that were the case,
everything would be fallingapart really fast and we'd be in
a much worse state than we are.
But there's too many people whoare in this state and there's
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too many people who, you know,only give surface-level
attention to things andsurface-level care to things,
and it has a ripple effect overeverything and everything that
goes on in our lives and whatnot.
People have no clue about thelevel of apathy that there is in
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this world and that it's rising, and the more that the apathy
rises, the problems we're gonnasee for everybody.
Because if nobody cares aboutthat, well, and whatever doesn't
get done, imagine the peoplewho, uh, take care of our
plumbing and sewage.
Ah, I don't care, the world'sgoing to shit anyway.
Well then we're going to havediseases rampant and whatnot.
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Oh, I don't care about dealingwith this electrical outage and
whatnot during the snowstorm.
Well then, people might freezeto death.
People have to care to a certaindegree in order to make this
work for stuff with it.
It's what binds us together asa species.
It's what makes it so.
That way we go and do thethings that need to be done on a
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higher level for things with it.
If we get rid of our care andthink that we can function just
as robotic beings, we cannot.
It will not work for us.
It will never work for us.
It has never worked for us.
It's not something that doesanything with it.
We are human beings.
We have emotions, we haveemotional needs.
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We are social creatures.
We have social needs that aregoing on with it, and we all
need to do better and step up totaking care of ourselves and
taking care of other people andthe world around us.
Instead of making it so that way, we fall into the trap of
apathy.
We need to make it so that waywe decide that we want to make
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the world a better place, evenif it's just a tiny amount for
what's going on.
This is what Gandhi meant bybeing, by saying be the change
you want to see in the world.
That's what it is.
You have to become that changefor what's going on.
That's what this podcast is forme and whatnot.
I have decided that I careenough to create a podcast about
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these various different topicsand put it out there and try to
make it so.
That way I spread what I found,what I think is important to
other people and trying to makeit so.
That way I spread what I found,what I think is important to
other people and trying to makeit so that way I create a better
world for all of us.
If every single person wasdoing this on the planet and
making it so that way theyweren't just thinking about
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themselves all the time and madeit so that way they gave a
little bit to everybody else forwhat's going on in terms of
their time, their attention,their care, whatever it is, and
whatnot.
And making it so that way everysingle person on the planet did
this to the best of theircapability, we would have such a
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better society that would beunfathomable to us compared to
what it is now, because we arein a state of degradation and
decay in comparison to what wecould be due to the fact that we
don't give a damn about any ofthis stuff anymore, that we
don't actually truly care aboutstuff.
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You want to know if someonecares about you.
Not by their words, it's bytheir actions.
What they do, what they say, ismeaningless.
What anybody says ismeaningless and you and the
other part of it is you can alsodo it by their lack of actions.
For what's happening in thecase of the person who I was
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speaking about earlier andwhatnot, the young lady that I
work with she doesn't haveanybody in my estimation that
has ever given a true damn abouther on a deep level Again
excluding those who mightalready know the answer to the
question that I asked.
It's absurd to me know theanswer to the question that I
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asked.
It's absurd to me we can't eventake the time to ask questions
of our fellow human beings andtry to understand them and make
it so that way we can determineyou know anything about them
whatsoever.
Maybe this is why there's somany problems with politics too
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Making it so that way we decidethat we know what the other side
is and that they're alreadyevil or whatever the deal is, or
that we don't need to look intothat and that kind of stuff
because you know, heaven forbid.
We actually try to figure outtruth and whatnot.
That's the other part of thisis that people don't want to
know things, for what's going on.
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Our curiosity has been beatenout of us to the point that we
are becoming more and morerobotic and that kind of stuff
with it.
And then social media has madeit so.
That way all the worst parts ofus are getting, you know,
exposed and put up there andmaking it so that way more
people think it's okay to behavethat way for what's going on
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and making everything worse withit.
Because now we're giving ourtime and attention to trying to
get more time and more attentionfrom other people and get
validation that way way as ifsomehow whoever has the most
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like likes on facebook or themost subscribers on tiktok or
followers on tiktok or whatever,and on youtube and that kind of
stuff, or the most retweets onx slash twitter, that that
somehow means anything of anyimportance whatsoever.
Yeah, maybe it feels good inthe moment, but it doesn't
actually mean anything in termsof the grand scheme of things
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for helping out anybody else.
It doesn't mean anything interms of making our lives have
purpose and meaning.
Now, all we're doing is seekingexternal validation from some
other source, which can be takenaway at any moment by the
change in the algorithm or bythe whims of how the people feel
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about something and whatnot,rather than having anything of
any substance whatsoever that'sgrounded in tangible reality.
It's ironic that we are moreconnected than ever before in
terms of their capacity tointeract with each other, and
yet the relationships that wehave are more shallow than ever
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before, just for whatever,whatever that's worth, and I
would really truly cautionpeople into thinking that just
because everybody else is doingsomething that you need to be
doing it too.
People need to figure out whatthey actually care about, what's
actually important to them,what they want out of life, and
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not worry about anybody else.
I think, unfortunately for thisyoung woman, that she needs to
figure out what's important toher on a deeper level and try to
find somebody else that she canresonate with, that she can
have deeper connection with andmake it so that way she
surrounds herself by people whoactually truly care about her,
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and that she might feel likeshe's stuck with the particular
group that she has right now,because she doesn't have anybody
else and that she doesn't knowwhat else to do about the
particular situation and shethinks that, well, at least they
give me some time, they give mesome attention for what's going
on, even if it's not the levelthat I desire or that I deserve
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or that I want.
I don't know, I'm not her.
Maybe I'm making too manyassumptions and too many
speculative leaps for what'sgoing on there, but I can flat
out tell you definitively thatthis royally pissed me off to
hear that nobody's even botheredto ask her the legitimate
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question of hey, I noticed thatyou dress in a manner that's
very unique in comparison toeverybody else.
Do you mind telling me whatyour inspirations were and what
the origins of it were and howthis came into being?
Seems like it's important toyou.
Something along those lines.
It's all would have taken.
Suddenly, now you're having areal conversation with a real
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human being and you're gettingto know them on a deeper level,
with what's going on and you'reusing stuff that's right in
front of you instead of makingit so that we, you, you make all
these assumptions about theperson and that you think you
know where they're coming fromautomatically, or their past, or
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the struggles that they've comefrom with it that's the other
part is that too many peoplemake too many assumptions about
stuff with it.
Anyway, I've gone on this tiradeslash rant long enough.
I thank you all for listeningthat who that stayed with me.
I hope that you got somethingout of it, even though it's a
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little different from what Inormally do.
Uh, on here, it was importantto me to talk about and I'll see
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