Chad Halstead: Mad K-MAX

Our next guest had a super unique introduction into the helicopter world. You guys ever seen Whale Wars? Yeah he was that dude flying the MD500 off the back of the Sea Shepherd's vessel assisting in whale conservation efforts from the North Atlantic, Galapagos, Gulf of California, all the way down to Antarctica. After his stint with the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, he worked his way up from flight instructing in Robinsons to flying utility and firefighting in Hueys, 212s, and now is flying the infamous intermeshig K-MAX!

He's here to chat about his experience with the Sea Shepherds , what its like to fly the K-MAX, utility pilot life, and we dive into the role helicopters play in environmental conservation. 

Stick around at the end of the episode, where we share a short ground lesson answering Susan from Instagrams question, "What do you do if you find something wrong on preflight? And are all items no fly items?" Let's talk 91.213!

Episode Transcript

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You're listening to the forever on the fly podcast
what a baby nerds. Welcome toseason two episode two of the
forever on the fly podcast, yourbi weekly dose of aviation
inspiration, education andentertainment. I'm Jose, and I'm
Diane and we're here to get youguys on

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aviation. Yeah, so as our 20 Ohyeah, girl, tell me about it.
Here's aircraft. What abeautiful, beautiful plane.
Yeah, it's like a sports car. Ibasically felt like I was in a
flying car. That's kind of whatit was like, oh, yeah, yeah, it
was nice. It smelled like brandnew leather. And they're just
like, really pretty interior. G1000. That's like meant for

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Cirrus. That perspective plusthing is so user friendly. It
was so nice to have a key pad,like dial in my Flightplan
keypad keypad dude, I didn'teven have to twist anything.
Hardly. Wow. Yeah.
Like a peasant.
Fell real special. Just like ohmy god, I can just
type this in. Yeah, one of thosepine trees hanging from like

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your rearview mirror. And youknow what I'm talking about? Oh,
yeah, like the carwash stuff.
Yeah,it's the scent new plane. Yeah,
man. It's my friend's plane.
Gorgeous. Went down a FrenchValley got with a CSIP that's a
serious flight instructor. Youknow, some people don't think
that serious pilots are realpilots because we have a
parachute. It goes down.

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I wish I had appreciated myairplanes.
I'm not hating on it. I knowpeople who are like hating on
Sirius pilots just because wehave impaired pictures jealous.
Yeah, they're just peanut butterjelly Peanut Butter jealous that
I got a parachute. And theydon't
say this cuz it ain't right.
I think helicopters should beequipped with a parachute. So
stuff goes down. You can likeblast off the blades and a

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parachute comes up through thetop. And it'll just, you know,
I'd hate to be the test pilotfor that.
I would just like, I don't know,I'd put it on helicopters auto
pilot. And then I'd have aparachute as the pilot. And I
would like put it in hover mode.
And then I would just dive outskydive out of it and be like
y'all can try that shit on yourown up there. Yeah,

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just kind of frictions. Let itgo up.
Yeah. Oh, man. It was a verynostalgic being back at French
Valley. Yeah, that's where Joseand I used to solo all of our
students when we were flightinstructors out of Long Beach.
terrifying place on the weekend.
It is yeah, all the weekendwarriors come out to play. And
the students get let out oftheir cages and they're off to
the races.

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I had a student I can't tell youhow many times on the cross
country flight training. Wereright before I was getting ready
to sign them off. Instead ofturning west towards like LA. He
would continue east or southeasttoward San Diego. And I'm like,
why are we going this way? Wealways had to go back to French
Valley and start all over. AndI'm like, please just turn

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right. Yeah. Sowe used to follow our students
with another student to routetrain them on where they're
gonna go. And also just to makesure that the student pilot in
front is going to make it there.
Okay, English was a secondlanguage for our students. So
just making sure they messed upon any radio calls that got
confused, we could hop on there,and then we just have to redo

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the training and if we had to dothat, but yeah, even being like
a serious I was trying to runpeople over, because there's so
much faster than everybody else.
And yeah, on the downwind wouldbe like full flaps, basically,
just with a student pilot infront of us.
I think my 150 Probably couldtake you guys
Yeah. I mean, so I got everybodyextends, or downwind super far

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does like crazy patterns. AndI'll tell you what it was like
nuttiest thing I've ever seen inmy life. We were on the downwind
and there were three otherplanes. Also in the there was
one on final. And then there wastwo other ones on downwind also.
But one of them turned so closeto the runway, I thought he was
going to hit the ground final.
He was like right over therunway, like flew right over the

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dude basically was in an upwindfor the opposite runway. And
we're like, what is that doing?
And then this other pilot who isin the downwind in front of us,
he was kind of like, off to theyou know, he was like, right in
front of us. We had to kind ofoffset to the right. And yeah,
do did like a just a straight up180 Turn from base to final just

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like we're super sharp. And thenthe guy in front of us, you
know, he followed suit and wejust extended a downwind super
far. You know, we're like fivemile final. And by the time we
got to the runway thisGyrocopter decided to pop up out
of nowhere and get on therunway. But we didn't see him.
We didn't hear him. So he getson the runway. And you know,

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we're about to land and then allof a sudden we see blades
starting to rotate. We're like,dude, this guy's on the runway.
He hasn't even started hisengine yet. Oh, my God. So we're
like going around you Yeah, wewent around like three times
because people were just on therunway not getting offered. You
know this. This joker, you knowhasn't even started his engine

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yet. We couldn't see him heblended in. And yeah, anyways,
it was a total shit show downthere but
yeah, I do wish they had a towerdown there sometime.
It would have been a smart ideaor at least somebody to I don't
know. I don't know. Yeah, Idon't know you just got to be
careful so do you ever fly downthe French Valley everybody on a
weekend just be careful weekdaylike all the students and most

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like all the instructors intoBlair there all week, you know,
like soft. Yeah, by like thoseweekend warriors. They pop up
andthey just screw everything up
and on a swivel head on as well.
Yeah, exactly. That's whatthat's the term we use to make
sure you're looking for aircraftleft, right up, down all around
10 degree increments. We Rahzelaround you know, anyways,

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alright guys, let's get let'sget going here on the episode.
All right, our next guest he'shad a very interesting
helicopter career. You guys everseen Whale Wars? Yeah, he was
that dude. Why the Indy 500 offthe back of the Sea Shepherd's
vessel, assisting in whaleconservation efforts from the
North Atlantic Galapagos Gulf ofCalifornia all the way down to
Antarctica. To crazythis bad Andre has worked his

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way up from Robeez to flyingutility and firefighting and QE
two twelves. And now it's flyingthe infamous k max. He's here
to chat about his experiencewith the Sea Shepherd's what
it's like to fly the k maxutility pilot life and the role
of helicopters play andconservation. And at the end of
the episode, we're gonna do ashort ground lesson. I got a
question through Instagram fromSusan and Susan, this is for

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you. What do you do when youfind something on your pre
flight check? Are all the thingsthat you find no fly issues.
Wonderful question, Susan. Andwe are going to answer that
again at the end of the episode.
All right, we're gonna bring outour next guest. Chad Halston.
When we were in Antarctica, wewere primarily trying to search

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for illegal fishing or illegalwhaling vessels. Hi, I'm Chad
Austin, and I'm forever on thefly there's, there's my bear.
There you are.

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My name is Jose, by the way. I'mgonna go. Hey, I'm
Chad. It's me. Nice to meet youtoo.
Dude. Chad is joining us all theway from Utah. Yeah,
I'm in Moab Utah. Oh, cool.
You're still in Moab. Nice. Iwas just there. Not too long ago
when I messaged you a couple ofweeks ago. It's beautiful there.

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It really is. Yeah, I mean, he'slike, one other time. It was
very short and sweet. And now Iget get to fly around and kind
of explore a bit more and I'mreally not gonna fly a lot
today. I did not. Oh, I flewpoint three.
Whoo. All right now you'reflying the k max. Yeah,
yeah. Yeah, we're here on fire.
So Blimey, k max.

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Man. That's badass. We have amutual friend. His name is
Flavio. If you're out there,Fulvio. He, he definitely man.
That's his dream helicopteramigo. That's all he ever wants
to fly all the time. So if youever use Yeah, k max. Yeah.
Anytime I watch videos of thosethings starting up, it's like, I
don't know, I know the bladesaren't gonna hit. But there's

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like, just seeing it. Slowlyspinning up. The blades always
look like they're gonna makecontact. It's nerve racking.
How do you get checked out in kmax? Like, because it's only
single?
Yeah, single seat. So mostpeople go to command School,
which is in Connecticut, that'swhere the factory is. And that's
where they're built. And theystart you out in the Husky,

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which is a, like a 1950s oldCatholic Air Force training as a
two seater. And it's, it's, youknow, it's got the same
international rotor system. Soyou learn the behavior of the
intermeshing rotor, kind of theway that it behaves. And then
after four hours, they just putyou in a k max, and it's feels

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every bit like your first solo.
I'll say that as the Huskieslike it's rough. And so when you
get in the K MAX, it's such apleasure.
Were you scared? Were younervous? When you went solo in
your first time on the game?
Actually,I mean, sure, you know, you just
you just hope you don't roll thething or like, you know, yeah,
mess something up. Or it'salways it's anytime you get in,

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checked out a new aircraft andyou have to solely you're like,
what did I forget? You know, Iguess you know, yeah, good.
lights are out. Let's go.
I hear that.
So I always found it reallyfascinating that they use a
helicopter with wooden blades tofight fire.
Right. Yeah. I know. To theblades, we got to protect the

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forest. That's why we got tokeep those forests around.
Yeah, there you go. Gotta keepmaking k max blades. Save the
forest build. Awesome. Well,let's start from the beginning.
Where are you from? Where didyou grow up? How did you get
into aviation? And yeah, let'shear it.
Sure. So I'm from a small townoutside of Philadelphia,

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Pennsylvania Lancaster. Hello.
Yeah. It's called Westchesterabout halfway between
Philadelphia and Lancaster. Allright, yeah, after, you know,
after high school, I went toschool in New York City, and I
loved aviation. But I think thatI just thought that, you know,
growing up in Pennsylvania, theonly helicopters I saw were the
EMS helicopters or military.

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And, and both of those justdidn't really intrigued me. And
as far as the airplane side ofthings, it was kind of same
thing was military or theairlines. And so you know, as it
goes life, just point you in acertain direction, you kind of
just follow it. So as Imentioned, I went to school in
New York. And after school, Ikind of had this this desire to

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like travel, maybe volunteerkind of have a little bit of
adventure after spending fouryears kind of studying something
and you know, being in the wholeschooling system. So I ended up
joining a conservationorganization, and flew down to
Australia, and got on board aship as a deckhand. And I had
some kind of, you know, handyskills with welding and

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carpentry and whatnot, and endedup working as a deckhand and
thought I was going to go on,maybe stay there for five
months. And ended up stickingaround for five years. And
throughout kind of my experienceon this ship, I started as a
deckhand. And I worked in theengine room and kind of worked

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in all areas of the ship. Andabout halfway through, we had a
helicopter on board, we startedwith a huge 300. And then we had
a Mt. 500. And I kind of startedlooking back at that helicopter
thinking like, how cool wouldthat be? And one of our pilots
kind of saw something in me andthe way that I operated the

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boats and kind of, you know, hadthis conversation with me talked
about what, you know, why don'tI go and learn how to fly. And
in the moment, I thought thatmaybe it was a little bit too
late. I think I was like, 23 atthe time, but I thought I
already went to school forsomething, you know, maybe,
maybe it's a little bit too lateand, and he kind of told me his

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story. And I realized that therewas still plenty of opportunity
to be had. And so throughout thenext few years of working on the
ship, I take like a month offand I rushed back to the states
and get a rating come back andget to fly with him and fly off
the ship. And you know, get someDurban time, which was pretty

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surreal. And so I did that forkind of a few years. That's kind
of what kicked me off intoflying.
So that the organization youworked for where the sea
shepherds, right, yeah. Oceanicconservation group. Yeah, so
they were you ever on WhaleWars? Sure. You get that
question all the time.

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Yep. Yeah, there's a few seasonswhere you'll see me and a
slightly longer hair. You know,the the Hillary sailor. Yeah,
you're not messing around. Yeah.
Yeah, I was like, Well, I ain'tgonna lie to you. I never
watched oil wars, but I alwayssaw the promos on the Discovery
Channel. You know, and it's,it's, um, it's reality TV. And

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so it's like a little dramatizeat this time. You just like kind
of can't help but watch some.
Yeah, it's good. Like in hotels,like you watched Deadliest
Catch. Right? You know, yeah, I,truckers.
Have you seen or did you workwith that one cap? The one

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Captain everyone was his name?
Yeah. Was he? Hey, yeah. How washe in person?
You know, he also he's withinkind of the conservation
movement. He was a pioneer, andstill is. And he's got years of

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experience and stories. He's oneof the smartest guys that I've
ever met. I mean, you would youwould never challenge him to
Trivial Pursuit or at all. Soyeah, it was it's one of those
things. It was always cool beingaround him and, you know,

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playing poker hearing stories.
Yeah, yeah. No, it's alwaysunfortunate when people get
portrayed a certain way onreality TV and I'm like, I
wonder what that guy's actuallylike and, and like, you know,
real live to sit down and chatwith him. I just remembered. I
mean, South Park just laid onthat one episode about him

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thinking that he got shot. Whatdid you think of that episode?
I'm just curious. As someone whowas
you got to, you know, you got toappreciate it. I will say South
Park did an amazing job, butjust roasting them. super gross.
I've seen that episode of SouthPark, but I never seen the row

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wars. And that was pretty fun.
That was the only episode ofSouth Park I think I've ever
seen.
You miss now?
I know. When you were on theshow, were you flying for them
at that point? Or were you stillworking as a boats in?
So I started? I think, as Imentioned, the first two years I
was driving the boats and kindof working on deck. Right. Yeah.

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And then the last two years thatI was on there. And they did, I
think they did document one ofthe seasons where I started to
transition into the helicopter.
You know, whenever you have theopportunity to fly, you're
always trying to sell yourselfon on why, you know, you should
get into that seat. And so onboard, we only had one pilot,
and there was days that we wouldfly, you know, maybe eight hours

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a day, it's tiring, the sunnever goes down in Antarctica.
And so, you know, it was kind ofgood that I had this experience
years on board. I had ahelicopter pilots rating, so I
could kind of share some of thatworkload. And most of the pilots
that we that worked for us werevery kind of encouraging and

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supportive of that. So it was agreat opportunity for me to get
in get some time.
Oh, that's great. How oftenwould you fly?
It depends on you know, with theorganization, we had different
campaign. So when we were inAntarctica, we were primarily
trying to search for illegalfishing or illegal whaling

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vessels. And so we would flypretty often because, you know,
the Southern Ocean is massive.
And this is one of the reasonsthat there's no other tool like
a helicopter. Diana's, you know,a ship's radar maybe sees 15
miles, you know, 16 miles. So ifwe were searching for vessels,

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it was only you can see to thehorizon. So once we got the
helicopter up, we would dosearch patterns of, you know,
big triangles of 80 miles, 80miles, 80 miles. So if we were
searching for vessels, or wefelt that we were nuber, you
know, we may fly, you know, forsix, eight hours a day.
Cumulative over a season,probably not that much, maybe

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100 hours a season, so for thesummer, I'd call a season. So
not a great deal. Butwhen you were doing the mission
with the helicopters, how wouldyou use your helicopter in
deterring? Like illegal fishing?
What do you guys do like lowpasses? Or what what exactly
what do you how would you use ahelicopter?

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So the reason that we use thehelicopter with a conservation
organization, there's a few mainreasons one is searching for
vessels. As you mentioned, radarhas a very short range even 15
Miles is pretty short. So we'duse it as a search tool. We'd
use it as a documenting tool andthen you know sometimes to get a

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closer look at type of activitywas going on if it was illegal
if they were documented vesselsYeah, it just it allows you to
see a lot closer than Yeah, shipup up alongside it might be a
little bit more recklessGotcha. Yeah different mindset
surveillance Jose, we're talkingsurveillance we're not talking

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attack out there with Indy 500If you're like doing passes and
stuffnow you're throwing the stink
bombs on the on the illegal bad,my bad I had a different idea in
my mind.
No, and that's and that'ssomething that with the aviation

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side of things, it is still FAAregulated. You know, it's it's a
North America registeredaircraft. And as you guys know,
like the the FAA rules like youkind of can't mess around. So
when it came to the helicopter,it was like, pure professional
business. We never we reallynever used the helicopter as an

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antagonizingyou weren't hot dogs.
Not to mention on this Pine HillRight.
Now, my other question is nowthis one might be a little
silly, but with a moving targeton the vessel and you're going
as you said, you were you know,searching outside the radius

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outside the radar capabilitiesof the vessel that you will land
at? Would there be like a, Iwould imagine it's just a GPS
signal to get back to it. Orwhat do you be using?
Yeah, we would use, we would useGPS, obviously, we would have a
number of radios on board, butthere was times that we would
want to kind of radio silence.
And so we would use satphones.

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And we would use either we'dLincoln into the aircraft's
audio, and we'd make a directsat call to get a lat long. And
we'd always measured like thetrajectory of the ship. So if
the ship was heading south, we'dkind of measure out like, where
are you going to be in one hour,and then we would fly a course
so that we could get back tothat point within an hour. And,

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and you know, most of the time,it was always there.
Most of the time.
You know, weather comes in, orsand or squall lines and you
can't see what's right on theother side. And you got to just
push through it so yeah, thatwas Yeah, I was curious about
the weather down there inAntarctica. Did it get was it so

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cold that you didn't have toworry about icing or was it just
cold enough that you really hadto worry about it?
Um, it's it's probably just coldenough because the season we
would go down would be theAntarctic summer so Antarctica
is for sure cold but on anaverage day in the summer the

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weather's actually pretty goodyou know it's pretty dry pretty
clear skies there's there'sreally not much precipitation.
So now again, to go back to kindof the purpose of searching if
the weather the visibility wasso poor that we couldn't see
1530 Miles there's really nopoint in flying. So anytime the

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weather was bad, flying was outof the question anyways, so you
never really put yourself in anybad scenarios
where you're you're onmeteorologists on the ship
making those calls or did heactually have a meteor? Yeah,
yep. It's a lot of just look outthe window. You know, you can
get some you know, some weathercharts but for the most part,

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it's it's look out the windowand dog. Actually squat. That's
crazy. Look atthe finger put it up in the air.
A little old Kentucky windage onthe way back to the ship.
Remember when? When I was aninstructor out here and I asked
my student Hey, man, did youcheck the weather? And he looked

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at me and he looks outside thewindow. He goes I think it's
good. I was like, get to thecomputer you full? Yeah, it was
it was pretty funny. No, that isnot how we check the weather.
But yeah, if you have no otherchoice, no other options. Yeah.

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I definitely. I think most SoCalpilots are kind of guilty of
that. When you when you saywell, I drove into work. I saw
it.
I saw my pirate looks clear.
Lookspretty good. Yeah, man. So when
you are when you're flying downthere and Arctic waters, did you
ever get to go and land onshort, and hang out with the

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scientists down there?
We did. Yeah, a few times. Wewere in an area where there was
a bass. I think there's like 15or 17 bases down there. But we
would run into a few. TheFrench, Australian and the
American a few times just wewere anchored just offshore off

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on a shelf and somebody calls uson the radio and, and basically
says that what do you what doyou guys do and you want to come
shore for coffee tomorrow, whichI was like, blown away. Looking
at this research hat that's onthe shore that was built in 1912
by Douglas Mawson? Dang, then,you know, we're gonna go ashore.
So there was a little bit ofplaying involved. And yeah, that

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we would take the helicopter upon icebergs occasionally. Yeah,
iceberg straight ahead. Didyou ever have bear paws on your
helicopter when you land onon that one? We didn't know I
don't I mean, I think that forwe probably should have just
intended to land on solid groundor back on the ship.

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Yeah. Yeah, like all the waydown and just slide back up.
As you're having your coffee andyour mt 500 just sliding away I
kind of have this extra long,really good.
Kind of a lot of surface area.

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So how many hours did you havewhen you first started working
there because you just keptgoing back and forth and getting
your ratings andI I got my private and 43 hours.
And so my 44th hour was an MD500 Get the hell out of here.
Wow, did you find thatchallenging, you know, going

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straight into the aircraft?
I mean, you know, we just talkedabout ship landings for a
second. Oh, yeah, that, that a200 foot patrol ship, it was
built for the Scottradefisheries, and then we bought it
and we kind of modified it andput this helicopter deck on the
back. And so you know, landingon a small vessel that's

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pitching and rolling in the sea.
And the pad is so close, we hada retractable hanger, which
blocks the horizon. And so whatyou know, you're learning to
keep the attitude of theaircraft nice and stable while
ignoring the movement of theship and the item, you know,
this platform that you're tryingto land on, while timing the
swell. So it definitely took awhile. And you know, for the

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first handful of hours iscomplete and I'm you got it. You
got the landing, and you justwatch, you know, so it's it was
kind of a steep learning curve.
But at the same time, anybodythat's flown over water, that's
about the least challenging typeof flying there is in the years

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following, you know, the pinkline on the GPS. So that was
kind of balanced between thislike very simple of it with my
45 hours. I was amazing atfollowing up. Thank you to
taking off and landing on theship. It was like a huge
learning curve.
Yeah, I bet. Have you everlanded on it? You know, you've
never landed on a ship. Now.
Yeah, me neitherlanded on decks, like river

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decks. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that'scool. And I landed on glaciers.
Oh, yeah,that's true. You did a stint in
Alaska. Yeah. Yeah. It's like aniceberg.
Yeah, it's a big iceberg. Youknow, I feel it's pretty big

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iceberg. Landing on a ship at 45hours. That's pretty intense.
Man.
That's impressive that you madeit happen.
You made it. We're actuallyjealous. So you got to find me.
545 hours. I still haven't beeneaten butter. Jealous.
I haven't been able to find him,either. And, yeah, that looks

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like a fun, fun little thingthat looks like
a 22 but like on Super steroids.
Yeah, totally. Yeah, we're aboutthey're almost like as short as
22 They're short littlehelicopters. Oh, yeah.
They can hug up against that.
But it looks so nimble. Youknow? Like they're just like,
Have you ever seen that movie?
What was the movie called? Arethe guys in a dress now? He
picks up the Mt. 500 inside thehangar. Any? Yeah, a dangerous

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game. So if you have it's onYouTube, look up a dangerous
game. And this guy picks up thehelicopter inside the hangar
it's an MT 500 Any ever taxisout and he plays soccer with the
skid with kids that are likehanging out around the hangar I
think they're in Mexico orsomething. And then Arizona the

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entire the entire the entirefilm. The entire film was just
MD 500 stunts. And it was likethis big chase of like bad guys.
And yeah, it's pretty cool.
Yeah, itis pretty cool. Not seen this,
man.
I know when I first saw it waslike how every aviation movie

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that I've ever watched.
I think he had started in thatmovie. Because it shows all the
gauges and it's like maybe hehas a couple seconds in the
transient. You know?
I'm just sitting there like, one1002 And that okay, he's good.
He's good.

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Oh, yeah, yeah. So today, youknow, I've been I've been on
this documentary binge andsupposed to be meeting this big
producer soon, like next week.
So I've been trying to watch allof his all of his movies before
I meet him. So I have stuff totalk about with him. And I was
like scrolling through hisdocumentaries this morning. And
I saw this one called alive. Andhave you ever seen it about the

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rugby team that goes down? Yeah,the film. I guess it is a
documentary. Yeah, technically adog. It's kind of hard to say.
Of course. They're not gonnahave any footage up there in the
in the Andes. They had to remakeit. Yeah, the
film the rugby team.
The rugby Yeah. But yeah, it'ssuper super classic. Yes. So her

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first time watching it. It wasmy first time watching it. I
didn't know what it was. And Iwas like, Oh, this guy's he's
interested in aviation so thatthat's good. And I'm like, oh
airplane. So then I clicked onit and started watching it. Of
course in the first 10 minutes,his planes going down. And I am
like, clenching my teeth. Likeoh my god. This is just on the

(30:04):
topic of watching aviationmovies. But yeah, it was like I
went I didn't know what toexpect. I didn't really like
look at what it was about. Ijust sort of played it as oh my
gosh, that was a that was anintense intense movie.
Yeah that whole Yeah, that mightbe a tough one to bridge
generally aviation into.

(30:25):
Hey, kids go watch this movielife. You got the highest Oh,
no. Oh, shit. It's not too soonjoke about this right now. That

(30:47):
was a horrible thing. That wasbad. Okay, well, let's continue
with your store. I continuallyalmost kill Jose sound good.
Yeah. Solid. Yeah, I don't haveto get the cheese clear lately

(31:15):
lately. Lately, this chick hasbeen coming out with some gems.
Is that how you built all ofyour flight time? Or what was
your next step in your aviationcareer? Because you obviously
continued on on this path. Andyeah, see shepherds at some
point.
So the whole ship experience wasreally beneficial, you know, for

(31:39):
all five years. But, you know,the downside was is that we just
really didn't fly that much. Norwas I really challenged that
much. You know, as I mentioned,the most exciting part was like
getting on and off the shit. Andthen it was a little bit kind of
mundane. And so I really wantedto just expand my career. And

(32:00):
one of the pilots that we had onboard, I remember him, you know,
show me pictures of cubies andtwo twelves and fighting fire.
And he's kind of showing me theadventures of utility pilot, and
it just seemed so attractive. SoI left the ship with the
intentions of kind of buildingjust building more flight time

(32:21):
because, you know, when I left,I only had a couple 100 hours,
which, as we know, is really notmuch to go anywhere with. And,
you know, from the start, hereally encouraged me to go the
flight instructor route. Justsaid, Hey, if you want time, if
you want to, you know, get timefast and be an instructor do a

(32:42):
year of instructing and you'llprobably have 1000 hours and you
can pick and choose what youwant to do. So I went back to
California did my CFI did mydouble ly and ended up getting
hired at the school that Itrained at
was the name of the game knowthat I had Sega know the name of
the school. The flight schoolyou went to

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Yeah, the company in SouthernCalifornia has heli stream. And
this kind of ironic because theoriginal pilot on Sea Shepherd
worked for heli stream. So thatwas kind of how I knew of Heli
stream. And so I startedinstructing there and meanwhile,

(33:26):
you know, I was trying to shovemy foot into the utility in long
line world so I was trying to goon whatever flights I could
building more turbine timegetting a different aircraft.
Yeah, so like most people'sstory did instructing for a
couple years transitioned up tosome turbans got into some

(33:47):
powerline patrol, you know, flewthe A star flew the 500 H 145.
And then got into the Hueys, thebelt 205 and the belt 212 Nice
and those kind of from thestart, I can I can remember
sitting on the ship looking atpictures of belt two twelves

(34:07):
fighting fire. And that justseemed like the coolest thing.
So the amazing thing aboutworking for heli stream was that
they did everything they didflight training, ID photo video
tours, power line fire prettymuch everything except EMS and
booze. So there was a lot ofdiversity and I got tons of

(34:29):
experience there and they reallyjust helped me fast track my
career right to where I youknow, I really wanted to get to
so nice with a good oldRod. Rod Anderson, Mr.
Anderson rod Anderson. Yeah, ashe has. She has is he as tough
as everyone says he is.
checkridehard, but he he's really one of

(34:53):
the just one of the nicest guysand it's such a pleasure to fly
with. So He's he's a he's anamazing guy. Yeah, I
heard he's just superknowledgeable and his check
rides are really hard. But yeah,but yeah, I've only heard good
things but just that he's prettydead on check rides and such.

(35:15):
He's one of the most humble guysbut slowly as you get to know
him, you realize his place inaviation and the history with
Robinson aircraft and helpingright as far as and setting a
world record for the hoverrecord and a bell 47. And, yeah,
I mean, it's, he's got he's gota lot of experience and a lot of

(35:37):
stories.
Wait, what was that worldrecord? I've never heard of it.
Like what? Soif you look it up, it took place
in Anaheim stadium, in a in anold bell 47, an old wheeled
version model, and they did ahover for 50 hours, and I won't
say how many minutes but andthey took places and they taped

(36:02):
eggs to the bottoms of thewheels to prove Hey, this thing
has never touched the ground.
And they stayed there andAnaheim stadium and they hovered
for 50 hours to set the newGuinness Book of World Records
50 And it was they were justhigh ceiling while they were
hovering,hot fueling they think they had
a stack of like pallets and theywould use that to climb in and

(36:25):
out of the aircraft while oneperson was hovering and then
they'd kind of watch outcontrols move over to the other
side. Now take their breaka bit Disneyland was pissed
there for two days.

(36:57):
Oh my that that's how I neverheard that happening. That's
really cool. I mean, that'scrazy. But that's cool. How many
pilots did they use alltogether? It wasn't just two
guys switching back and forth.
Or I thinkthere was three pilots you know,
if you if you ever go into helistream, there's pictures on the
wall. There's you know, there'sthe Guinness Book of World

(37:19):
Records certificate that's onthe wall. And now that aircraft
that Bill 47 is in theSmithsonian, yet. Washington DC.
Ah,how cool Nettie claim to fame.
Yeah. I get tired of hovering.
I'm five hours over a fire. Letalone 50 Yeah, this

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Yeah. Oh, man. All these peoplewanting to set world records.
Jen, this guy.
I got started thinking myown. I know now I want to set a
worldrecord. I'm gonna be drunk.
housekeys record the one withthe football drop. You know,
like 500 feet, you know, on thehelicopter. He throws a
football. You guys gonna beatit? Yeah. And that's gonna be
your claim to fame. I'm gonna do550 Oh. Tom Brady.

(38:12):
I'm gonna call him up right now.
So I used to work on a yachtright after the Coast Guard. And
it was it was the owner of theNew Orleans Saints. private
yacht. Mr. Benson. I didn't knowanything about football. It's i
This is a little off topic. Ijust it just reminded me that
Tom Brady. I was like, oh, yeah,that dude. But I mean, obviously
Tom Brady doesn't play for NewOrleans. But that dude, um, so

(38:32):
yeah, there is a one time I knowagain. I know nothing about
football. Someone was like, Oh,you're from Atlanta. Are you a
Falcons fan? Like I'm not a bigfan of basketball. They're like
Never mind. Oh gosh. What's hisname? The quarterback. Drew
Brees Drew Brees. So Drew Brees,calls up the boat to talk to Mr.

(38:54):
Benson. And this was back whenthe whole NFL lockdown thing was
happening when they wanted allthe owners to open their books
and they were all refusing 2011Yep, that was back then. Yes, it
was 2000 limit. So I pick up thephone and he's like, Hi, this is
Drew Brees going to talk to Mr.
Benson. I'm like, Sure noproblem. You know, like, can you

(39:14):
please hold and one of the girlson my boat like Who was that?
I'm like, I don't know. Some guynamed breezy. She was like Drew
Brees is on the phone. I waslike, yeah, why? Who is that?
She was like, Girl you need todo some research. So I had no
idea. Yeah, I looked him up onthe Oh, yeah, this dude's a
pretty big deal.

(39:35):
Yeah, some guy named breezy.
Oh, man. All right, back to backto aviation. So now you work for
you left heli stream and thenwhat was your next move
after heli stream I position toget into the k max. It's a
company Rotax that's based inAnchorage, Alaska. And that was

(39:55):
kind of the motivation wasgetting into a new aircraft. I
think most people look at the KMAX and would love to fly it. I
mean, you know, the, thetransition from maybe most
people is like, you get up intolike a, a dual pilot aircraft
like a Blackhawk or a 61 orsomething like that. That came

(40:17):
axis has this appeal of beingable to lift a lot. It's a very
unique aircraft, and it's justone seat. And with that, it's
just kind of a change of paceinto going to do new stuff,
learn a new aircraft fly in newareas.
All right, changing it up, Ilike it. And what's your
schedule, likewith Rotax, I work at 12, when
we're on fire, or a 1414, ifwe're doing a power line, or

(40:39):
other lifting, logging or othertypes of jobs, kind of talking
about the K MAX, it is kind ofit is kind of a weird
helicopter, it does somedifferent things. And a lot of k
max pilots will kind of tell youthat they've had some scary
moments. So maybe I've got thatlined up down the road. We're
not,we're not gonna we're not gonna

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put that out there. But I amcurious how it auto rotates.
The next auto rotates kind oflike a dream, it descends it
like 900 feet per minute, 800feet per minute. The one weird
thing is that in normal flightor power on, you're flying at

(41:23):
100 to 104. And when it autorotates, depending on the
density altitude, it goes downto like, between 75 and 80. So
you watch that needle go, godown really low. And you're, you
know, you do sit there, I hopeit stops moving, I hope it stops

(41:45):
moving. And then it stabilizesat 82 or 80, depending on on
what you're at. If it's reallycold, that rotor really wants to
droop. But it's slow. It justcruises you got all the time to
think.
Wow, that's nice. Yeah, that'spretty awesome. Do you know the
actual measurement of clearanceand between those blades? Like

(42:07):
when they're starting up inbetween? Yeah. Like when they're
crossing over?
Yeah, so the so theintermeshing, they're always 90
degrees off. And the blades passprobably. So a blade will pass
over a hub. And it's probablymaybe it's only like a foot and

(42:30):
a half. But because of the wayyou know, in forward flight, the
flapping the blades want toactually go further apart.
Okay,so there is a way to make some
touch. But you got to really,like be rough on the components,
you got to really try. And youhave what's called a blade to

(42:54):
hub strike, where a blade willkind of bump off of the other
hub. And obviously, it's areally bad thing. It's really
rare. As I mentioned, you got toreally like
try to make it happen. Yeah,man. Crazy. Yeah. Wouldn't want

(43:14):
that. Blade strike on the hub?
No, thanks. That so next timeyou're planning k max, just
lowest. Just yeah, good, easy,man. Take it easy. Do you still
do any conservation work in youroff time,
it's kind of tough. One of thereasons that I haven't wanted to

(43:36):
switch companies was to be ableto have more time off. When you
work for a company that's 10minutes away, usually you get
called in. So I was just workinga lot more than I felt that I
needed to. So right now kind ofthat's my hopes is that working
a schedule with more off time,then I can kind of do some more
volunteer work or moreconservation work.

(43:56):
Some people say that you can'tbe a conservationist and be a
pilot at the same time with howwe burn fuel and how it can be
detrimental to polluting theenvironment. And what would you
say to that kind of thoughtprocess as a conservationist,
I think on you know, yourinitial impression of
helicopters is that they're notvery environmentally friendly,
or whatever, you know, they burnjet fuel, yada, yada, yada, they

(44:17):
burn a lot of jet fuelsometimes. But the things that
we do with helicopters, there'sno other tool. And sometimes we
have to use helicopters to kindof help whether we're protecting
the environment, using them forconservation at some point may
be electric helicopters, butit's not going to happen anytime
soon. So if we have to usehelicopters to protect the

(44:39):
forest or if we have to usehelicopters to protect the
ocean. We just don't have abetter tool. So I think it's
it's kind of a tough thing whenwhen we start to talk about
environmentalism and protectingthe environment or preserving

(44:59):
wealth We have left, weobviously have certain needs
that need to be met. We all weneed fuel, whether it's
petroleum based, we need paperproducts that we need wood,
we're building houses. So how dowe get those resources, for
example, logging, if you bringup logging to any
environmentalist, they usuallywe'll cringe because this idea

(45:20):
of clear cut, you know, forestrycomes into mind. And that really
is, it's really unattractive,we're cutting, you know, you're
wiping out a whole hillside,you're destroying habitat, and
you're also depleting, you know,the future generations for those
trees to be able to kind of dropseeds and continue the next
generation of trees. But withthings like helicopter logging,

(45:43):
that's the most gentle way thatwe can extract timber or wood
products. And by doing justsmall selective logging. So
that's pretty much the reasonthat the k max was built, you
know, the, the k max was builtas this work truck. And it was
kind of designed with thingslike logging in mind. So if we

(46:04):
can do this selective logging,where we don't need to cut a
road into a mountain, and we canjust drop along line in, pluck a
group of doubt, and leavenothing behind. But you know,
maybe a stump and you know, notmuch left. And that's really the
best thing that we can do.
Environmentalism, in a way givesaviation a job, a lot of these

(46:28):
protections that are put inplace is almost like job
security. If we think aboutpowerline patrol, you got two
choices, we need power, nobody'sgoing to argue it. Okay. So do
you want the local forest tojust have roads cut through it,
big roads just cut up throughour national forest and our

(46:49):
national parks, or you can usetelecom actors, to place people
in there without roads to buildthese structures to build power
lines. And again, you don'tleave anything behind. So as
long as we have thoseenvironmental protections in
place, it almost is givingaviation job security,

(47:11):
patrolling them, maintainingthem, building them,
the other aspect of it is evenusing it in the forestry service
or in like the gameboard enjoyyour tagging conserving animals
or going to the hatcheries andreplenishing the fishes and
stuff like that, you know, like,there's a lot of different jobs
that helicopters do that a lotof people don't understand the

(47:33):
that they do, or the tools thatthey use for EMS is like even
though it's not conservation,but like, even in the EMS road,
when you're rescuing somebodystuck in the mountains, a
helicopter is the only way out.
So it'sthe fastest and most effective
toollike and alive, they got rescued
by to Huey, full circle.

(48:00):
Besides that, you did mention acouple of other things like
tourism, like how is tourismaffecting conservation. And one
of the points that you've madeto me before was that it's
giving people visibility ofthese national parks and
beautiful areas that it makespeople feel more connected to
those places and want to helppreserve them and conserve them.

(48:23):
So that was also a really goodpoint that you've made. I would
say, you get more bang for yourbuck. With helicopters and
conservation than you dodamaging the environment. I
think it probably outweighs thegood. Good outweighs the bad.
Don't have bang for your buckwas the right. phrase to use
there. But yeah, yeah,definitely.

(48:44):
Somebody's got to pay andeverything, you know, everything
costs something real. So youknow, if we think about some of
the things that and I'll justsay from personal experience, or
from the companies that I'veworked for, if there weren't
environmental protections inplace, or if there wasn't
wildlife sensitive areas, wewouldn't have flown a helicopter

(49:08):
there. They would just be a roadalready in place. And they would
have graded it, brought somebulldozers in and just built the
structures you know, with withforestry, or firefighting. You
know, for years I did initialattack or heli attack where our

(49:30):
job is, you know, I have a crewof eight firefighters on board.
And that helicopter is thefastest way to get to that fire
while it's still tiny. And ifyou can catch that firewall,
it's, you know, just an acre andyou've got a good chance of
stopping it and SouthernCalifornia we're no strangers to
fire. Once it gets beyond acertain size, you know, 125 10

(49:53):
helicopters. It's just not goingto do anything. It's a tool that
I don't want to say I would loveto see get replaced because I'd
be out of a job. But that's justmy confidence and knowing that a
vertical takeoff and landingaircraft like a helicopter, it's
got jobs for years.
Yeah, I definitely we, you know,I don't know if you listen to
our podcast with Stacey shared,but yeah, she we really got into

(50:16):
detail about where she believesEvie toll is going and I think
she thinks it's closer, closerthan we think. Even just going
to heli Expo and seeing all thedifferent designs that people
are coming up with theirprototypes, and I think it's
right around the corner. I don'tthink it's that far away. It's
definitely going to be withinour lifetime. I don't know about

(50:37):
what actually was intended. 20years 10 Yeah, I would say 20 a
good solid 20 years from now alot of things like logging and,
and FBI will have giant jetpacksuits. That's right now,
I think that we'll see it alittle bit sooner. Ironically,
again, there's no tool like ahelicopter, I worked. I did some

(51:00):
work lifting a electric VTOLaircraft and repositioning it,
lifting it with a long lineunder a Huey and repositioning
it to a place where it couldexpand it's for flight testing
the company Joby aviation, andthey've made a fully electric

(51:21):
vertical takeoff and landing sixpropeller aircraft that when I
saw it, I've done two lifts forit. And I did it I think four
years ago and the first time Ithought, This is nuts, this
isn't this isn't happening. Andthen I just did another one last
year. And I was blown away. Imean to if you look it up this

(51:44):
videos of it, it's so quiet, itcan fly for an hour and a half
it cruises fast. And it's hereand it's fully autonomous. It's
it's unmanned, what was thecompany's views of it Joby j ob
y JOV y au pair that ladies andgentlemen Joby. They're here to
stay go public bye.

(52:09):
And they've received so muchfunding from companies like
Toyota, and so it's coming. Youknow, I think we're a long way
away from electric airliners.
Yeah, but, but we're gettingthere. Yeah, if one day they've
got an aircraft that can fly 700gallon Bambi Bucket on fire?
I'll fly it. Sounds great.

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Do you have a family?
I got a fiance and a baby girlthat's coming in October.
Yes, congratulations. That's soexciting.
Various. So that's also kind of,you know, the beauties of the
schedule. Yes, I'm away for 12days. But that also means that

(52:55):
I'm at home 12 days. And sopeople usually kind of asking
like, well, isn't it tough? Youknow, but to me. That's like,
that's 12 Mornings, afternoons,evenings that I'll get to spend
with my family versus if Iworked. Monday through Friday,

(53:15):
nine to five, you know, LAtraffic get home late. Like I
have more quality time to spendwith them.
Yeah, that's good to hear.
Because you hear so many timeswith utility, maybe in your
earlier years in utility whenyou had to be away maybe longer
and didn't have that 12 and 12schedule and maybe a 12 and two
during fire season, which is areally common schedule that go

(53:36):
to they call it aids, aviationinduced divorce syndrome. Yeah.
Like it's a real thing. Youknow, and you're away from home.
It's hard to maintain a familylife, but it sounds like I mean,
I would agree with you, I 12.
And 12 is a nice, nice, niceschedule. Yeah, that's a really
nice schedule. It's like longenough, you can go and do some

(53:58):
cool stuff and or be at homewith your family and long enough
that you get to miss them at thesame time.
That's a long day. Is that atravel day back? Or is it the
13th today? Is that a travel?
Yeah, yeah, I've been I've beenvery lucky that my schedules are
my contracts have beenrelatively close to home. So
that 12 day, I'm home that nighthave eaten in and I'm usually

(54:23):
close enough that, you know, myfiance would just come up and
hang out for a few days and thengo back. So I've definitely had
it pretty precocious.
So yeah, man. Well,yeah, it is tough. You know, in
the industry, it's, I think thateverybody has a period where
they need to cut their teeth andsacrifice and work a ridiculous

(54:45):
schedule for probably not muchmoney, but that's kind of
unfortunately that's kind of thename of the game. So if you have
a partner who's supportive, keepthem close, and let them know
how much you appreciate thatsupport. Because, you know, it's
it's not everybody's down forthat. Yeah, true story.

(55:07):
Yeah. So, you know, I go back towhen I started before I learned
to fly. And I had these mentorsor I had these older guys that
were kind of pushing me in thedirection of aviation
helicopters, and the things thatthey gave me. You know, whether
it's flying tips or justsupport. It's, it's really

(55:30):
priceless. And so the one thingI love about aviation is that
there's always, you know, atsome point along your career,
somebody helped you out, maybesomebody took your, you know,
ride along, or somebody put aword in for you to get a job,
told you to come out and flytheir plane or their helicopter
with you. And that's somethingI'm always trying to pay

(55:53):
forward. You know, a lot oftimes, I'll have an empty seat
next to me. And so I always tryand grab somebody, you know,
that could really benefit fromthat experience, even just
sitting and watching what otherpeople do, you know, we learn
through people with moreexperiences. So you know, being
a mentor, I feel like I'm, youknow, I haven't been flying that

(56:15):
long. And I'm not that old tomaybe be a mentor, but I'm
always trying to pass thatforward and help people however,
I can.
Yeah, for sure. I always feltlike I never understood when you
get pilots, and there's a fewout there that have their egos
really high. You know, like,looked down on like, Guys, it's
lower time or try not to helpand they're just dicks. No. And

(56:36):
it's just like, why? You know,like, I never used to.
We all were there at some point.
You know, we all were a freshCFI with 200 hours. And we were
a fresh, you know, commercialpilot with 1000 hours, and we're
just, you know,kind of cut our teeth in the
game.
Yeah, we're just wide eyed. Likelooking around, like, trying to

(56:59):
imagine ourselves in theirshoes. And yeah, you get some
grumps, I hope to never come offlike that. I hope to never have
an ego with it. And yeah, I'llsit and chat about helicopters
and tell you what, what I didand what I think that you should
do. And, you know, along thoselines, it's never too late to
that's one of my favorite thingswith aviation is that people get

(57:22):
into flying, when sometimes whenthey're 15. And that's so cool.
Sometimes when they're 40 Yeah,it might be cooler.
I get a lot of people on myInstagram asking me if it's too
late to get into aviation. I'mlike, It's not to wait. But if
you want a 20 year career inairlines, maybe a little too
late, but it's definitely nottoo late to start flying. Well.

(57:43):
Great. That's wonderful. AndChad's phone number for all you
people.
If you guys want to get intoutility and play games, he's
here to help everyone know,totally paying it forward. We've
all been there. And yeah, that'ssuper important. And, you know,

(58:07):
sometimes not gonna lie. Youjust don't really feel like
talking to people, or you've hada really long flying day, and
it's just not your day. Andmaybe you do feel a little
grumpy and someone approachesyou at the wrong time. Just tell
them. Hey, man, it's been areally long day. I'd really love
to help you out. But let me giveyou my contact information. I'd

(58:28):
love to chat about this anothertime, you know. And that's all
the time we have for today.
Thank you so much, Chad fortaking the time out of your day
to talk to us and share yourstory. Thanks my
bad for not watching World War.
It is your bad. It's a prettydope show.
Hey, thanks, guys. This wasreally fun by brighter.

(58:49):
ground school is in session.
Alright, AV nerds. Welcome toyour groundschool at the end of
the episode, thanks for stickingaround. We're going to answer
Susan's question. What do you dowhen you find something wrong on
your preflight check? And areall of those things you find no
fly issues? Well, first of all,great question. If you have

(59:11):
something broken on pre flight,what in the heck do you do next?
Well, we're going to turn to91.2 13 of the federal
regulations to answer and thefirst part of the regulations
discusses minimum equipmentlist. And E ELLs, and very
basically an MDL is an agreementbetween the FAA and the operator

(59:31):
for equipment that may beinoperative on the aircraft as
long as they abide by certaininstructions and maintenance
procedures listed. However,you're not going to find these
on training aircraft. So let'sjust skip ahead a little 91 213
says a person may take off anaircraft with inoperative
instruments and equipmentprovided a couple things.
There's a lot of legal jargon inthese regulations. So we're

(59:54):
gonna make it real simple. Soone, it can't be part of the
type certification for that.
aircraft meaning the approvaldesign for that aircraft and all
the components including thingslike propellers, your engine,
your control stations, youobviously don't want any of
those things inoperative beforeyou fly them to if any of the

(01:00:14):
equipment that you find on yourpre flight is indicated as
required on the aircraftequipment list or kinds of
Operation equipment list for thekind of flight operation being
conducted. Number three, if anyof those pieces of equipment are
required by 91 205 or any otherrule of this part for this
specific kind of flightoperation being conducted, okay.

(01:00:35):
Basically 91 205 is the part ofthe far that lists all of the
equipment that is required forday VFR, night VFR and
instrument. So if any of thepieces of equipment that you
find are on that list, you maynot take off. And number four,
last but not least, is Fitzrequired by an airworthiness

(01:00:57):
directive and a D are legallyenforceable rules required by
the FAA in accordance with 14CFR Part 39 to correct an unsafe
condition in a product.
Basically, the FAA came out withrequired maintenance items for
specific make and models ofaircraft, and you can find those
listed on the FAA website.
Alright, so, in summation, if itis part of a type certification,

(01:01:23):
if it's required by the kinds ofOperation equipment list, if
it's listed in 91 205, orrequired to be operational by an
airworthiness directive, you maynot take off. Now, if you
absolutely need to fly theaircraft to a place where
maintenance can be performed,you can request a special flight
permit. I know you're allspecial out there, but you still

(01:01:44):
need to get permission from yourlocal Fisto your flight
standards district office. Sowhat are you do if you find
something on the aircraft that'sinoperative? That's not any of
those things? Can you just takethe aircraft off and go on your
merry way? Well, actually,there's still a couple of things
that you need to do before youcan take off. One thing that you

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could do is remove that piece ofequipment or instrument, in
which case you would need a newweight and balance for that
aircraft, or you can deactivateand placard in operative. Now,
how do you deactivate something?
Well, before you start pullingcircuit breakers and
deactivating things yourself,just consult with your
maintenance guys, and make surethat it doesn't require further
maintenance for you todeactivate it. And if they give

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you the go ahead, go ahead andjust pull the circuit breaker
for that piece of equipment andyou're going to want to give
yourself a friendly reminderthat that piece of equipment is
broken so you don't accidentallyuse it in flight by throwing on
an inoperative sticker on thatpiece of equipment. Well I'm out
of breath you guys and that isthe end of the lesson. Thank you
so much for sticking around. Andif you're still here, don't

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