Stacy Sheard- HAI Mil to Civ

The lady of the hour, Stacy Sheard, currently sits as Chair of the board for HAI (Helicopter Association International). Her passion for uniting the international VTOL community, and her imagination for the possibilities that the future holds for this industry makes her an invaluable visionary for the AV family. She brings her extensive experience to the table as an Army veteran with time flying a wide range of helicopter platforms such as the UH-60, S76++, Bell 430, and the AW139. 
Her passion for mentoring has led her to teach workshops on the importance of networking at HAI's annual HeliExpo, and currently teaches a much needed military to civilian workshop for pilots transitioning from military to civilian pilot jobs. 
In this episode we discuss her experience, her visions for the future of VTOL, resume building & networking, and her Mil to Civ workshops. Stick around until the end of the episode, where Jose and I discuss our personal take on the future of pilot jobs, and provide names and dates of the top 3 aviation networking events of 2021-2022. 

Episode Transcript

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welcome everybody to episodenumber 10 numeral Yes. So the
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aviation inspiration, educationand entertainment. My name is

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Jose,the name Diane and we're here to
getyou guys. Hey, aviation senorita
yet a pretty interesting week Iheard you put your hand on a
helicopter dooroh, it's not funny. I was taken
out of like that is for a weekgive or take now

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I was and you know, it'sunfortunate doesn't look that
bad. It's gotten a lot better.
It's been two weeks now.
You know, the whole camp, youknow, the green hole cam that
the toy? Yeah, that's what itlooks like.
They did put me back on flightstatus, which is good. I'm glad

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to be back at it. But I got aweek off and I got to go home
and see my family. And it was myfirst time since COVID. So a
little bit of a bittersweetthing. It really just shows the
fragility of what we do. Youhurt your hand on a helicopter
door and you get taken out. AndI Yeah, so be careful there
folks. Yeah, guys, life isdangerous. I am so stoked to

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introduce the lady in the hour.
She currently sits as chair ofthe board for H AI or helicopter
Association International. Ifyou guys are unfamiliar, she is
an experienced Army veteran withextensive time flying
Blackhawks, the F 76 forChildren's Hospital in LA. And
in fact, she was the productiontest pilot for Sikorsky for many
years. And now she flies the 130nines a W 139 for the corporate

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world.
She also has a passion forsharing her knowledge on the
importance of networking andcurrently teaches military to
civilian workshops. And in thisepisode, we'll delve into her
excitement and vision forvertical lift aircraft of the
future.
The military to civilian thingis so important. I have so many

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military pilots reach out to meand ask how do I transition to a
civilian job and I don't haveall the answers. So it's so
awesome that Stacy's here toshare her knowledge on that. And
if you guys stick around at theend of the episode, we're going
to give you guys information,dates and locations of some
upcoming aviation networkingevents that hopefully you guys

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can look into and make anappearance. And now it is time
to bring out our next guest.
Miss Stacy shared, Stacey sharedtoday, everybody's gonna have a
cute little quad in theirdriveway. And we have to hold on
to an infrastructure thateverybody wants to tear away.
Hi, I'm Stacey shared and I'mforever on the fly.

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JC cheered legendary. Stacey.
Hi. Welcome to the show. Thankyou.
Thank you. Thanks for having me.
It's great to be here. I waslistening to some earlier
interviews that you guys did youdid. Aaron with Cheryl. Yeah.
And yeah, he I. I know him. Ididn't know. I listened to some

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other ones. But he was the oneperson I did know. Yeah,
he's pretty popular. Yeah. Sucha cool dude. Yeah,
I met him a long time ago. So hewas he was popular just to me.
It was a great interview toknow. Thank you. I appreciate
that. So you're currently inkind of towards the end of your

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year stint as h AIIS. Chair? Howwas this last year? Ben, it must
have been so challenging withCOVID. And how the industry just
kind of got turned upside down?
What were some of the challengesthat you faced this last year
holding that position?
Well, it's just canceled, youknow, it's the everything's
getting canceled. And then youhave to figure out how to do the

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same thing you do in persononline. It's not you know, it's
not the same. So so it's theit's the best, but it is the
most Hai has done a wonderfuljob this year of getting online
and doing more, you know,webinars and just getting out
there and talking to people andgetting people together to talk
and then a lot of backgroundnetworking. Because we have to,

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and I think everybody's having alittle bit of withdrawals from
not being around other people.
So I know so heli Expo wassupposed to be in New Orleans,
and it was supposed to have justhappened and I'm still supposed
to be on the heli Expo highright now. And then after that,
I usually hit Women in Aviation.
So so both of them down, downnot happening this year, except

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for online. February I happenedon I was looking forward to New
Orleans Ha is always a fun eventto or heli Expo is always a
really fun event to go to. AndNew Orleans would have been a
good one. The last one I went towas, I went to Atlanta, and I'm
actually from Atlanta. So it waskind of cool. I get to coincide
that trip to see my family andgo to the expo. Yeah, that was.

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That's great. Atlanta was a funone. I enjoyed that. Because it
doesn't often go to Atlanta.
Yeah, but next year, Dallas,so there's that. Yeah. Like all
the manufacturers you got?
I'm definitely going to Airbus.
There we go. I'm going to Dallasfor
sure. Yeah, absolutely. Me too.
I mean, I feel like after thiswhole lockdown. I mean, I wanted

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to go to New Orleans. And now Ijust feel like we have to go
Yeah.
Party calls in sickso can you work that way? Cuz I
think I'm going to be sick thatweek. That's amazing. So

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what do you guys both you'reboth flying at? Hello. Net. And
so what are your flying organ?
organ transplants? And that's inthe Yes,
ma'am. We're in the on the 109in the 109. And sometimes the
Twinstar. So yeah, we've beendoing that. Jose does the news.
I haven't gotten into the EMGside of things. I started off
with charter.

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Yeah, no, no, definitely. I workwith her. I do charters and like
the organ transplants but I alsodo the EMG stuff.
We also do VIP so it's a littlebit slow right now on the VIP
side. But it's starting to pickback up again, now that
everything is starting to openback up. And so that's really
good. Starting to see more stuffreally

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being on the east coast. So inNew York, it's starting to pick
back up. You know, it's beenkind of a ghost town. So it's a
little eerie when you're in theair and there's no one else
flying around and you use you'reused to all this chatter. So for
us, you know, we use we're on2302 over the rivers here. And

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you know, you're used to allthat well, not on the river. But
you have the common trafficadvisory and you're talking to
each other and chit chatting andyeah, ghost quiet. Yeah, I
would imagine what that busierspace you know, it's kind of
eerie. You're probably wonderingif your radio works or not.

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I think probably one of thescariest landings that I've ever
done was on the Hill, a pad onthe East River. You get so close
to the bridge. I was like, Areyou serious? We're going even
closer. I felt like the rotordisc tip was right at the edge
of the bridge. And there's twoother helicopters right beside
you like you like think thenthink that? I think we could

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squeeze in here. But oh my gosh,it felt so sketchy. I guess
I can remember my first timeflying into East 34th Street to
it's a tight fit. And I remembercoming in and there's two
helicopters running on eitherside of me. And you know, okay,
just, you know. Yeah, don't getit right in that. So, yeah, I

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think yeah. And in that, youknow, a lot of times when you
depart out of that heliport,sometimes you may have a bit of
a tailwind or something, but youhave not a lot of options when
you're when you're together thatway other than backing out
backingout. Yeah, I'm sure in the
summer that can be challengingif you're close to max and it's
hot. I mean, I know New York isreally hot, but it's just

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absolutely, yeah. So in that inthose cases, some people wait,
they'll wait for someone else todepart. And then maybe a little
taxi around and then yeah,right on. Well, tell us a little
bit about yourself. Let's get toknow Stacy, how did you first
get involved with aviation? Andwhere did you find your passion
for it? Well,so I grew up in Clovis,
California. I was born inFresno.

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No, yeah. Yeah, I've been there.
I went to the rodeo.
I'm from Clovis, and I, I grewup there. And I can remember as
you know, being an 1112 year oldwatching the helicopters fly
over me to go to the fires inthe summer. So I lived in the

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San Joaquin Valley, and it's allagriculture there. So there was
a heliport not far as a fewmiles down the way for down the
wave from me called Rogershelicopters, which is still
around, and I rode my bicyclethere. I was probably 12 or
something. And I asked him for ajob and I just said, you know,

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I'll do anything. I'll sweep thehangar and clean just to be near
the helicopters. So that was thebeginning. I just sort of
watched him fly over and thoughtI want to be in one of those
going somewhere, you know, awayfrom here. So So yeah, that's,
that's where I ended up. That'sthe way Yeah, Awesome. take you

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away,did they? Did they give you a
job at Rogers? Did they knowthey had gone on. So I went and
I flew tours in the GrandCanyon. I worked for Sundance.
And then you know, I was in thearmy. But I do have a huge
appreciation for military,obviously. And I do a lot of

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military to civiliantransitioning. So typically, in
the past, I had been one of thecohorts that run the military to
civilian workshop transitionworkshop at the heli Expo.
I know, I've had so many peopleapproached me because I mean, I
was in the Coast Guard, butdidn't fly in the Coast Guard.
So I didn't I don't knowanything really about

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transitioning from militarypilot to civilian pilots. So
that's going to be really usefulinformation to people. I get so
many requests. I'm like, Ireally don't know. I'm so sorry.
So, yeah, butyou don't know. But you know,
you know, the right people.
The right people. We know Stacy.
Yeah.
A lot more than me. But yeah, Imean, it really you're only ever

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one person away from having ananswer anywhere in this
industry. So very true. That's acommon thing. But yeah, I mean,
I can i There are tons ofmentors out there. And you're
probably one of them. You don'thave to have been in the
military in order to mentorpeople transitioning out of the
military, not at all.
So you went from flying in themilitary transitioning into

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tours in the Grand Canyon flyingfor Sundance, and then where did
you go after that?
Then I went to hell in it and Iflew the s 76. Eight plus plus
for Children's Hospital LosAngeles and did a little bit of
news on the side here and thereand some corporate VIP stuff and
organ transplant, things likethat. After that, I went to work

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for elite aviation. They had onehelicopter and a whole bunch of
jets. And I worked there and Iwas a single pilot IFR, Captain
Annabelle, for 30. The recessionhit and downturn happened. And I
had been attending heli exposevery year. And just about at

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the same time, they sold theirhelicopter I was I had been
talking to Sikorsky at the timeand I got hired by Sikorsky
Aircraft Corp. So I spent thenext seven years as a production
test pilot for Sikorsky. Wow,that's so
impressive. That is impressive,man. I don't like the rain man.
It was it was a great job. Andthere was a there was a lot of

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variety. I loved it. And afterthat, I went to work to fly an
AWS 139. So in Augusta for massmutual up in outside of Boston
in Massachusetts, and then Icame back, Sikorsky is based the

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the commercial side of Sikorskyis based just outside of
Philadelphia, in Pennsylvania.
So I was here in PA for aboutseven years, went up to
Massachusetts, and then and thensomeone called me about an
acoustic 139 job back in Philly.
And that's where I am today. SoI came back. And it was a great

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opportunity. And it was a hardone to pass up. So I took the
opportunity, and I've been hereever since on the side I this
year, I'm the chair of thehelicopter Association
internationals board ofdirectors. And this is let's
see, I'm in my fifth year on theboard of directors and then next
year will be my probably finalyear, I would imagine six years

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is probably it's probably goodfor a board of directors because
there are other boards out thereand other other avenues that I
like to pursue pursue, like outin Los Angeles, I was just this
morning on a meeting with SoCalrotors. And so I still attend
those the old phpa. And then outhere we have the Eastern Region

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helicopter council. So I like toattend the meetings out here
too. And there is a lot aboutthe routing structures and the
you know, the noise issues thatwe experience in big
metropolitan areas like New YorkCity and Hamptons, and all that.
Very, very similar to LosAngeles. Yeah,
we have a lot of noise issueshere. Yeah,

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I know. Yeah, I know, we getlots of complaints. But we do
our best to find neighborly andhave some unspecified routes, or
at least try to change up theroutes. You know, if we went one
direction going to a hospital,we'll go around the different
way and try not to fly over thesame houses twice and try not to
piss off too many people.
Because that's never good forbusiness. We

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thought it was cool. Like when Ilike when I was a kid like you,
you know, like you look up andyou hear a helicopter. I'm like,
Oh my God, that's pretty cool. Inever understand like,
you right? And you're looking upand you're like, oh, where's it
going? Yeah, I mean Mix andmatch, you can, you know, it's
always your trading, hey, you'retaking away noise from someone

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else and probably gifting it tothe next neighbor.
Or gifting it. Like, you knowwhat, the next time we get a
noise complaint, I'm just gonnatell the chief just tell them
that we're gifting them thisbeautiful view of a helicopter,
a lot of people don't get to seethem. So it's a once in a
lifetime opportunity. It's apitch, you got to pitch it to

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them.
And yeah, often when I was inLA, they didn't know why they
would call up. And, you know,and you'd have to answer for it.
And so I remember saying I, Ihad to fly low, I'm really,
really sorry, I had a child onboard, they can't breathe. If
the higher you fly, the moredifficult it is for them to
breathe. So that was the bestflying Air Ambulance is just

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very helpful because at leastsomeone says, oh,
I read in the article for rotormagazine had a lot of really
awesome information about yourbackground and your journey and
the things that you're doing forH AI. And one thing that you
mentioned was how H AI is reallyfocused on uniting the global
helicopter community. And whatare some things that you see are

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beneficial and doing that? Andwhat are some of the goals that
you've had while you've beenchair of H AI to accomplish
that? Well, Ithink we started the year with a
lot of goals who which kind ofhad to push aside all the great
changes that we've had thisyear. And one of them is really
it is zoom or, or this kind ofconversation because I've spoken
probably with more people than Iever would have before the Zoom

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age. Yeah, the InternationalPartnership Program is a really
a great endeavor. Last year, thechair of the HDI board was Jan
Becker, who is Australian andand the Becker's own a
helicopter company in Australia.
And so, basically, it was we area global, we are such a small

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industry. And we are veryconnected. If you've been to
heli Expo, you've probably metinternational members of H AI.
And and there are a lot ofsimilar issues that we may have
solved in one in one country andhave a great answer for solving
a problem and can just show youknow, so someone doesn't have
to, you know, rewrite a manualor figure out a new, you know,

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reinventing the wheel each timeis never a good thing. So they
can take good information anduse it in their country. So, so
I think right now, one of thebig countries that we're trying
to create an alliance with isIndia. They, you know, they have
it's, it's all I've flown inIndia, when I worked for
Sikorsky and it is very much anairplane society and it's very

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rigid. You know, I never tookoff present position from an
airport, there are all thesesmall little issues that could
make flying so much easier.
Everything was IFR, you had tofile IFR everywhere you went.
So, you know, there is goinginto the future, you know where
we are now, with generalaviation, where we are one of

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the best places to be in generalaviation, just because we have
such freedoms here. Well, theydon't have the same freedoms in
a lot of other places. And andand there's also not a lot of
access to general aviation and alot of other places just because
of the money and the lack ofsponsors sponsorship, or
teaching or training someone howto fly, it's expensive. And they

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have to look for sponsors withmoney. And so hai Women in
Aviation internationals, allthese organizations that really
try to push forward scholarshipsand sponsorships and some way to
globally unite to get the globalaviation community in the air
flying in every country to beable to display it down pilots

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and maintenance technicians andeverybody on their own. And how
do you do it? And what are thebest ways? How do you train, so
we have that information. Andinstead of just, you know,
holding on to the knowledge andnot letting anybody else know, I
think it's all about justsharing your knowledge with
everyone else make it easier forthem. So that's in essence,
that's what it is. And also itmakes them stronger. I think a

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country that has a small generalaviation industry that's just
starting to build up, they cansay they have the backing of,
you know, say the NCAA Mi CHaior a Opa, you know, that they
are consulting with and and thisis where all of these rules come
from. And it helps you know,governments that are starting

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down this road, it helps them toput rules that is similar to
ours in place. So they canfacilitate so it doesn't take
years and years and years tocome up with new rulings. Like I
mean, the FAA, typically it cantake years to come up with a new
rule. It is unusual lately thatfor the urban Air Mobility
infrastructure, they've beenable to put out rules a lot

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faster, because they need toKeep up because it's growing so
quickly. So, so we've been ableto get better just as you know,
the FAA. So it's, it's been,it's been a great couple of
years, actually, to get us on aspeed track, urban Air Mobility
is just kind of pushing us. Soso it's great. It's great to be

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pushed by technology. I mean,similar with Tesla. So yeah, I
think it's great. And, you know,and people might laugh, but
truly, I don't know, if youremember the Jetsons? Yeah,
everybody's gonna have a cutelittle quad in their driveway,
totally, you're gonna want to gosomewhere. And we have to hold

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on to an infrastructure thateverybody wants to tear away.
Because it's, you know,helicopter is not accessible to
the common citizen person. Yeah,the common New Yorker can't
afford a helicopter flight overto JFK, or a helicopter flight
from say, Burbank over to La xto get on their plane and miss
all the traffic. So they don'thave that access, but what it's

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becoming more accessible. And inone day, it'll be quieter, and
it'll be more electric. And itwill transport people without
roads,some of the heavy toll stuff
that they're starting toproduce, and oh, man, it's kind
of insane. That's crazy. Theworld has gotten so crowded, and

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traffic has gotten so bad, Ithink anybody's looking for a
way to get to their destinationsfaster and cheaper and more
efficiently.
And the infrastructure is there,it's just yeah, it is there,
it's just finding a way for allthese aircraft to fly through
the air. And practice avoidanceof, you know, like, we can avoid

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obstacles, with our equipment,with equipment that's installed
on our aircraft. And if you flydrones or anything like that,
you know that they have obstacleavoidance built in. So these
things built into the futureaircraft are going to be flying
around, are going to be huge,you know, and increasing safety
and all of these things, youknow, but the infrastructure

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that we have now, the big job ispreserving it for what is to
come. And that's what's coming,you know, verta ports, and, you
know, small quads, and all ofthese things are going to become
cheaper and cheaper and more andmore accessible. So, so it is
it's so one of our big battles,like in Los Angeles, it's the
same in New York, I think mostpeople don't understand we're

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preserving the hell imports.
Because we need thatinfrastructure. Because what's
coming is going to meet it andmore.
Is there a lot of pressure toshut down? Hello ports? And
because it because of noise?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, hugepressures. And, but at the same
time, they want their Amazonpackages, and those are going to

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start coming, you know, in, it'snot going to be long before
they're going to be coming bythrough air, right through a
drone dropping off packages, orat least to a central point. So
So yeah, I mean, things aremoving quickly. And I think the
average person, you know, can'teven envision it. So why would
you even think of preservinginfrastructure now? Because you

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know, as I know, once an airportgoes away, doesn't ever come
back. Right? It's rare for Imean, who's building new
airports anywhere? Yeah, you'reright. Yeah, they go away. They
don't come back.
Yeah, we're kind of waiting tosee what happens with Santa
Monica airport over here.
There's so much pressure. Imean, I think they were saying
it's gonna be shut down by2018. They were talking about
it. Yeah, they want to shut itdown by I think 2022. But I

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don't see it happening. Justbecause like, I think le X needs
that buffer. You know, like,before you actually get into the
Bravo, I think like that deltaserves as like a way to go
off. You know, what it does isall it does is add more pressure
to all the other airports. Itmakes all the other places
noisier. So and I don't think Ithink they stopped, stopped

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accepting government funds atSanta Monica, with the idea of
closing down but then theydidn't have a good closing down
plan. And that could be part ofit, too. We're dealing with the
same thing on the east coastwith East Hampton airport. They
don't want to accept any morefunds so that they can shut
down. They're scheduled to shutdown this year, I believe it is
yes, this year in September. Andif they shut that down, you know

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what it does, it just increasesthe pressure on all the other
airports around it, businessmoves and the noise doesn't
really go away. It just pushesit around around so you don't
really solve the problem thatthey were after. It just pushes
it to other areas. Well, we'llsee how that ends up as well.
We've got the same thing outhere. And I remember Santa
Monica was an issue even when Iwas flying in LA so it's always

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been an issue.
I mean, so much stuff going on.
But yeah, preserving it's goingto be important because all
those people it's not going tobe long till there's two person
quads or those four person quadsare going to be something they
want to they want to fly around.
I can't wait for that to happen.
Like you're talking about it,I'm like, Yes,

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I can absolutely see that I cansee, I can see you program you
get in, you program your GPS,where you're going. And the ATC
system schedules this GPS flightplan for you at an altitude and
an airspeed and everything tokeep you safe. And you've got
obstacle, you know, you've gotall of your proximity devices on

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board that keeps you fromhitting anything, if they've got
you low level, and an aircraftis coming, it'll call it out,
and I'll make adjustments, youknow, so like an advanced tee
cast system. And this is thegeneral public that maybe
doesn't have that, you know,you're used to driving a car,
but you're not used to having alook below you. And you know,

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and all these other places thatnormal people that drive in a
car don't look. So it's going tobe a transition. And the best
way to do that, I think is justthe plan someone's GPS routing,
send them on their way and getthem there safely. And they may
have to wait for a window tojump in on their on their track.
So I think it's great. And Ithink that it does help with the

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roads, there's definitely atraffic issue in LA. How far
out do you imagine this type ofa massive transition would take
you know from now, how manyyears from now, do you think
before we actually get there?
Well, I think that thetechnology, once again, is going
to push the FAA, it is pushingthe FAA and it is pushing. Many

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manufacturers are pushingsystem. And it's great though,
because you know, you don't wantto wait on the system to create
all the rules before thetechnology comes. We kind of
have to adjust as we go andadapt as we go. You know, just
from the meetings, I attendedthe people I listened to I know
in the next five years in thenext what 10 years or so we're

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not looking at pilots to goaway. Not at this point, what
we're looking at is, you know,is packages being delivered, and
piloted aircraft to take peoplearound maybe with hybrid or
partially electric vehicles tostart with, I think that there's
going to be a transitionaryperiod but the technology once

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it it's already taking off. Soonce it once it takes hold, and
and a lot of other people startgetting into the game, yeah,
straight up,that curve is going to go so
fast.
And if you're already a Vitolpilot, which we are, then that's
where you're headed, you knowthat there are people are going

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to be looking for pilots. Sojust like people, you know, the
people were looking for drone orUAS pilots, they're still going
to be looking for veto pilots.
So if you look around Bellhelicopters changed their name
there now Bell, you know, if youHai is in the process of looking
at, you know, a name change,because the future is not just

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helicopter, the future iseverything vertical takeoff and
land, that those are that'swhere we're going, we're going
just anything vertical. And whoknows what what that's going to
look like. But I think openingup to that and, and going
through that transition is iswhere we are especially younger
people getting into the industrynow. You know, worried about it,

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they're worried about all kindsof issues like jobs and
everything else. I think it'sthe rails are greased. Jump on,
because this is an industry,this is an industry that you
will be needed in, you know, ifyou can fly an aircraft that
hovers. I think they're justgoing to get easier and easier
to fly. Yeah. So as you guysprobably know, the more advanced

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aircraft you get in it'sactually easier, easier, you
know, the bigger the aircraftand the more automation it has,
it's all of a sudden you'relike, oh, I
don't have to do anything. Yeah,I have nightmares all the time
that I have to jump back in anAR 22. And I'm like, I don't
know how to play and singanymore.
You should have saw me singingit. I started instructing again,

(28:59):
part time when the first time Igot up with one of my good
friends is an instructor and thechief pilot at this place and I
got to put them in the 44. Andwhen I picked up I was like,
what is happening? I thought Iwas like such a noob I was like,

(29:20):
Hey, don't judge me. Don't don'tjudge. I'm getting this hold on.
Just give me a couple minutes.
You know,it's awesome for you to do it to
go back and appreciate where youcame from. And it's a big deal.
I mean, for me coming from themilitary. I flew large aircraft
from the start I flew a YUI youknow, all through flight school.
So you know the single engineturbine I didn't know that, that

(29:41):
civilian pilots on the outsidewere flying our 20 twos or
Schweitzer's and then laterafter all of that I went to fly
a Schweitzer to get my CFI andthe appreciation was quick for
me. Yeah, okay, I see. I seewhat all the hubbub was about. I

(30:02):
got it. Yeah, it is. It's, it'sdifferent. Yeah. So yeah, I have
a total appreciation for bothsides. So I think I think this
civilian train background and amilitary background, that we
both have so many differentskills, and together working
with all these different peoplethat bring different skills to
the table, just really makes awell rounded workplace when you

(30:24):
all come from different placeswith different experiences the
pool from I think it's perfect.
Yeah, I love it.
Well, Justin, out there onInstagram. I hope that answered
your question. I got a guyasking me today what I thought
the industry was gonna look likein 10 to 15 years. I'm like, I
don't know. It changes year toyear. But you know, this is

(30:46):
actually you know, hopefully,hopefully, this helps you out
out there.
I can't wait for those quads.
You're talking about them. Iknow, I'm gonna buy one of those
ASAP.
I know it's exciting. It was afew years ago at the heli Expo.
There was this little quad itwas like a matte blue. It was
gorgeous, I think have a pictureof it on my phone. And they had

(31:07):
a video with a guy in a flightsuit test flying it. It was a
two seater. And I was like,Where'd you fly it? Yeah, I
wanted all the oh, we just flewit. We tracked it in here. But
we've been flying test flying itand it flies great. And then
we're just working out, youknow, all the different issues
that come. So I mean, thetechnology is amazing. And and

(31:28):
the hybrid technology and thebackup, you know, when something
fails, you know, this is gonnaback it up was with coaxial you
know, you got to rotor systems.
If one goes out, you've got onethat picks up speed, you know,
for your RPM and the others thatcompensate. So the emergency
procedures are already beingworked through. And it is
amazing. I mean, all that teststuff. I can absolutely geek out

(31:52):
when I listen to someone talkabout you know, the failures.
And this happened. And we didthis and this is when we
discovered something so failuresis like an opportunity to learn
learn. I love this. Yeah,I know. Yeah.
I don't want to be bothered forthat. I appreciate you wherever

(32:15):
you're at in the world. Youwouldn't pay me enough for the
for the beta twoSure, it'll all be worked out
and they're all automaticallyadjust rpm and everything and
then it probably you'll hit ahome button and it'll take you
to a nice beautiful littlelanding spot in your driveway.

(32:37):
Yeah, I mean, the, my buddy hasa serious jet, the SF 50. And
there's a RTB button just areturn to base of the pilot
becomes incapacitated, all thepassenger has to do is just hit
that red button. And it'll findthe nearest approach bring you
all the way down to the runwayshut down the engines on the
runway and just completely handsoff. It's kind of insane, but I

(33:02):
would imagine that same kind oftechnology would be used.
It's pretty bad.
It's pretty cool. Yeah, it'spretty cool. It makes me feel
real safe.
Yeah, I'd be like I'm gonna goIMC
you get woken up by the wheelshitting the runway just like Oh

(33:25):
god. Oh, we're here. Crazy.
Welcome back, everybody.
Thank you for flying sleepy air.
So for all those questions,people that are worried about
should I be studying to become apilot or paying all this money
to become a pilot because itlooks like we're not going to
need pilots? Well, I think we'regoing to need pilots for
a while a lot of time, peopleare going to be ready for

(33:50):
another airlines we're talkingabout going down to lease like
single pilot with all theautomation and everything Wheezy
Yeah, but people aren't likeready for that even
Yeah, and I think that's the bigpoint is that is that you have
to you have to make peoplecomfortable. So in that they're
gonna want to make everyone feelas safe as possible and two

(34:11):
pilots a trained crew one tobackup the other I mean that's
that's perfect. So I mean, I'msure there are many aircraft a
single pilot can fly and landjust fine but having to is just
that extra insurance that everyperson that pays for an airline
ticket onceknow for sure what I when I was
flying for the regionals i ireally liked the crew dynamic of

(34:32):
flying and just having likethese checks, checks and
balances and the standards likeupheld so like it was just it
was comforting to know thateverything had a yes or no there
was no gray area. It was likethis is what we're doing and
that's that, you know, so likeit was take the stress out of
it. It does parents butno, I wonder just with younger

(34:53):
generations that are growing upGen Z and below growing up with
some much technology. I wonderif Phil be a little bit more on
board with going into moreautomation and maybe single
pilot kids growing up with allthe drones these days? Yeah,
they're opento it. I mean, you know, in the
reverse to look how quickly theyadapted to math, they without

(35:14):
question, they'll just put theirmasks on. So anything can become
normal. So it's the good, thebad. And that's what I thought
all the little kids like theyknow exactly when they put those
masks on. Exactly. When they cantake them off. They're much
better at this than we are.
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Theyjust kind of go with it. Oh,

(35:38):
this is the new normal. Okay.
Okay,I guess that's what we're doing.
I know, I saw an actual robotgoing down the street the other
day on Main Street in SantaMonica. Like a little square
robot with an antenna stickingup and like, Oh, my God, we're
there. We have robots going downthe street and stopping at
crosswalks. Like what ishappening? It's like this new

(35:59):
food delivery system thatthey're trying out, which I'm
sure there's some guy sitting athome with, you know, in his
mom's basement with a remotecontrol of delivering food to
people with this little robotthing, but it was so cute. But
yeah, it was definitely a signof the times, like oh my god,
I felt the same way. I was downin Santa Monica and I saw robot
dog. Like it was just likewalking around. I'm like, What

(36:21):
the heck is like it was like arobot, you know?
The What is it the HAI award forfor Oregon trance transport. So
H AI, we had to get the boardhad to change the ruling
process. Because it's only everbeen helicopters that can you

(36:42):
know, helicopter associatedcompanies that can win these
awards. We've had to change itto urban air mobility or
unmanned or drone. And they wereable to win an award by doing an
organ transplantthat was in a University of
Maryland, right? I believe.
Yeah, I know. I remember seeingthat and just thinking I'm out
of the job.

(37:06):
concept though, just flies, GPS,say frog. Maybe you couldn't fly
in fog and land on the heliportor whatever, you know, whatever
the case may be, or it's toorisky to send humans. So you
send a drone and tryto turn down many flights for
weather. Even just hopping overthe hill from Van Nuys to Santa

(37:29):
Monica, on the other side of thehill, marine layer rolls in and
boom, completely engulfs UCLA,and you can't land there. So I
mean, that would be an amazingalternative. When we finally get
there.
Yeah. And I think that the GPSrouting and approach procedures,
so right, so for my company, forinstance, we have a hell pad.

(37:52):
And during bad weather, wecouldn't get to it. So we it's
took about a year is a year longprocess to get a point in space,
a GPS points, space approachdirectly to our helo pad. And,
and that process, the length ofit. And you know, if flying a
helicopter into it, perhaps thatwhole process gets automated and

(38:13):
sped up for future aircraft,because there's going to be so
many more of them. And they aregoing to point in space
locations, they're not going toorder in airports, where they
can be 12 different approachesfor that airport, they're going
to appoint on top of a hospital.
And so air ambulance companiescreate approaches to their
hospitals. So quads and whateverything's going to be using

(38:37):
those approaches, and more willhave to be created. So the
infrastructure needs to grow. Soit's, yeah, it's exciting times,
there's a lot to do. And if youare, you're good with
algorithms, and you understandaviation, and you like how
approaches work. There's workthere's work for you in the
future, to make these pointspace GPS approaches.

(39:00):
How long was the process about ayear
now? It was about a year andit's we have a little heliport,
it's a hell pad actually justnorth of Philadelphia, there's,
there's an airport about fourmiles to the north of us. So
what we were doing was we woulddo the GPS, you know, approach
into the airport, and then we'dhang a left and fly underneath
the this the cloud ceiling forfour miles until we made it.

(39:24):
Well, some days that can getpretty sketchy. So what we
needed was an approach where webreak out where we see the pad.
And if we don't we just goaround. So so that's what we
have, and it has paid itself offin spades. Yeah, I mean, I think
it costs you know, probably alittle over $30,000 By the end
of it, but the the time and themoney and everything. It saved

(39:48):
us that many times that we'vegotten to use it. It's just
something that we'd never goback.
How high is the minimum whereyou guys to break out, give us a
ceiling DGL this runs atabout just over 600 feet, so
it's not as low as you can get,but and the reason why is we're
we're in a kind of a ridgeValley, there's a river there.
The thing is, is, from theairport, there are antennas and
hilly areas in between for fourmiles, if four miles doesn't

(40:12):
sound like a lot, but whenweather and visibility have
dropped considerably,you don't want to be flying
around all of those things.
You know, as you're going lowerand lower and slower and slower,
you're like clenching your mouthsalivating. You're like, I don't
know.
Yeah, so yeah, this is part ofbeing a helicopter pilot is

(40:34):
these are considerations thatdon't often come up when you're,
I mean, I'm sorry, but airlinepilots don't make the approach
into LA x, and then hang left togo park it in somebody's you
know, on the top of the buildingor, you know, on a, you know, on
a hella pad somewhere. And, andI remember I have a memory of
flying in, I was on I was on acopter approach into one of the

(40:58):
major airports out here inguardia and we flew the
approach, and then hung right.
And I beelined it for East 34thStreet. And the guy was with had
been flying jets for the last 12years. And he said, How do you
know where to go? From there?
Yeah, you break off of theapproach and there's no lighting

(41:22):
configuration to lead you there.
There's no runway lighting,there's nothing. And I said,
Well, we just went from IMC to,you know, VMC you know, I know
where it is. There's a building.
There's a river that you know,and I'm dead reckoning at this
point plus I have a GPS areathat you fly in, and then we'll

(41:45):
take off VFR down the river andthen we go to the middle of the
river and we pop back up intothe clouds and join an IFR route
to get out of the city. So thisVFR IFR to VFR is not something
that's really that you're doingin the airlines. It's a
completely different mindset andand you have to prepare for it.
Otherwise, it'd be like, yeah,there's a fun way. I've just
broke out. Now I can see thisbig, giant happy airport that's

(42:07):
drawing me in, but I can't landthere. I mean, this is how we
operate. But this isn't whattypical airline people. They're
like you did what? And then youwent VFR for the next three
miles. So so it is it'sdifferent, it's a different,
it's a different kind of flying.
And that sort of automation thatgets you to that point, it'll be

(42:29):
good. In the future. If it getsyou GPS, you know, exactly to
where you are, yeah, exactlywhere you need to go. Because in
the future, people aren't goingto be professional pilots, but
they may have you know, anaircraft, so it'll have to be a
little bit it'll have to be somesort of road in the sky. Whether
that's a green line youraircraft is is following or some

(42:51):
images soyou the boxes that you shouldn't
approach down throughyour spidey senses to get to
where you need to go are so onpoint. Just be like I just You
were supposed to fly. Oh,there's the help or crazy. Wow,

(43:16):
how did you do it? Just thatgood.
Use a little Kentucky windage.
Yeah. When did you know likewhen you're shooting?
Oh, no, I don't.
Nevermind. That's a differentdifferent episode.

(43:37):
Got it. Got it. Yeah. Hello. Idid shoot expert while I was in
the Coast Guard. I did. I hadgood aim.
She showed me a postcard andwhat were you? I was in the army
as well. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I wasArmy. Yeah, I was, uh, I was in
the 82nd for about five years.
And okay, yeah, that was a gruntthough. So I didn't fly.

(43:58):
Okay. No, I mean, there's a lotof I have a friend of mine. That
was Coast Guard. She wasn't apilot in the Coast Guard. But
she came out and she doesmilitary to civilian and she's
now a pilot though. But she wasa crew. She's a crew member
while she was inOh, yeah, yeah, I wanted to go
aviation. But at the time, itwas moving. So slowly. I joined
went to boot camp, and then theygot sent to a station as a non

(44:23):
rate and they told me it wasgoing to be two years until I
could get into an aviationrelated job. So that was half of
my enlistment. So it didn'treally make sense for me to go
that direction. And I justbecame a mechanic at the station
that I was at was messy, and Ijust needed to get out of there.

(44:43):
So I threw my name on thequickest list to get out of
there. I was a wrench Turner.
Yeah, basically, they really goI think that there's a leak down
there in the build your smallright like there's 30 foot seas
out here. Yeah, you'll be fineon my legs. Gonna try to figure
out where this stupid leak is.
Yeah, it was a miserableexistence. I really hated my Not

(45:06):
gonna lie. But you know, and in2011, they opened up everybody's
contract and they said, if youwant to get out, you can get
out. They had a huge budget cutfor Homeland Security. And I was
planning on getting out early.
And then Deepwater Horizonhappened. And I was stationed on

(45:26):
a patrol about out of Miami andyou're not going anywhere. So we
ended up having to go toPascagoula, Mississippi for
three months patrolling theoutside of the oil spill. And
but when I when I got out, acouple years later, I ended up
going to flight school andgetting it all paid for which
was, you know, Primo? Yeah, Ithink I probably had over
$200,000 worth of flighttraining paid for by the GI
Bill, between helicopter andairplane training. Wow. Yeah, I

(45:50):
had a NVG course I did turbinetransition. Yeah. This was back
in the day when the VA wasactually willing to pay for all
this stuff. And yeah, you know,nowadays, they've pulled out of
a lot of schools, a lot ofschools are taking advantage of
the VA and kind of ruined it foreverybody. So there's still a

(46:11):
couple of universities out therethat have pretty solid flight
programs that people can do usethe GI bill for, like Southern
Utah University leading edgeleading edge, Oregon. Yeah. So
Stacey, I remember reading inthe rotor magazine article about
you that you used to teach aclass on networking at heli
Expo. And you also teach a milto civilian class that teaches

(46:36):
people what to expect whenyou're transitioning from
military flying to civilianflying, which is really
important, because there's not alot of resources out there for
that. We talked a lot aboutnetworking and mentorship in
this podcast, but coming from anexpert such as yourself, what
are some of your pointers advicewhen it comes to networking in
this industry? And can you tellus a little bit about the

(46:58):
military to civilian workshopsthat you put on,
you need a network of peoplewith similar interests to help
advise and guide you along?
Certainly, you know, anyone cando this on their own. But this
is such a small aviation ingeneral is such a small
industry. And and basically, weall share a similar passion. So

(47:19):
when it gets down to it, if youwalk up to someone in aviation,
they have similar passionate asyou. And they may not realize
it, but they everyone has theability to mentor someone else,
even if they don't feel likethey're experienced enough to be
a mentor. They are. So if youhave a mentor, if you're

(47:39):
networking, if you're talking toother people that you see some
somebody doing something youwant to do. And you ask them,
Hey, how did you get to whereyou are? What, you know, how did
you get there? What did you do,find out what they did, and and
ask them for advice. And thenyou'll get on the road to the
place you want to be in ashorter amount of time. Truly.

(48:00):
And along the way, you can dothe same thing for everybody
else that's following you up.
Because why figure it out all byyourself, when there's just this
huge number of people out therethat love this industry so much
love what they do, and just wantto share it with you and show
you how to do it. I don't thinkthere's not too many people out

(48:23):
there that wouldn't reveal, youknow, everything they know, to
help somebody else to save thema little bit of time or trouble
or help somebody else out. Iknow that for military to
civilian transitions, it's thishuge thing. You know, I was I
was transitioning out of themilitary, I had no idea. You

(48:45):
know, what was required, what myresume should look like, I could
piece together how to maybe showup for an interview, how to
dress, I didn't know thequestions exactly what they were
going to ask me what that mightentail. I didn't know I might go
on a flight. There are a numberof things I didn't know. So why
not ask somebody, why not havesomeone that does the hiring for

(49:06):
that company, because they willbe willing to prepare you and
get you ready for interviews. Ihave a number of friends that do
hiring for different companies.
And they can be reached andfound on LinkedIn. And you just
ask them questions, and they'llhelp you. So yeah, the
information is there, all youhave to do is make the first
step and ask a question and aska question. And, and especially

(49:27):
resumes. You know, that's that'sone of the big things I have
several articles on my LinkedInprofile. And one of them is
resumes that include kind ofmilitary to civilian, here's how
it should look. Here's it shouldbe one page should be very
clean, easy to read, not toomessy, not full of all that
military fluff. You know, if youwere a nuclear, biological

(49:48):
chemical, trainer and officer,whatever, yeah, it's probably
not something a helicopteroperator would be looking for.
So you might be able to leavethat off. So There's a number of
questions so and logging time,that's a big one in the
military. Most, I would say mostpilots don't keep their own
logbook in the military, theylet the military keep it for

(50:11):
them. And in that the militarydoesn't keep it in accordance
with the FA Rs. Even though mostmilitary pilots have a pilot's
certificate, after theygraduate, they go and get their
pilot's certificate. So they arean FAA certificated pilot, and
they're not keeping a logbook inaccordance with the FA Rs. It's
just stuff you don't know untilyou get

(50:33):
out. Wow. Yeah, I didn't knowthat. I didn't know that
stuff you don't know. And thenthere's a lot of questions even,
you know, it's funny. I've beenon the civilian side for a long
time now. And I've had civiliantrained pilots asked me well,
you know, I've noticed that wehired a pilot that came out of,

(50:53):
you know, the military. And, youknow, they're never flying
directly from the airport to thelocation that we've asked them
to go there. They're goingoutside of airspace, you know,
they're not talking to anyone,they're not flying a to b,
they're kind of circumnavigatingairspace and things like that.
And it's like, oh, well,depending on you know, what

(51:14):
service they were in, perhapsthey are shy to talk to, you
know, terror controllers, ordon't understand the concept or
that time is money here. Becausein the military, you know, you
plan to leave at a certain timeand arrive at a certain time how
you get there. If it's not a tob may not be as big of a deal.
But on the civilian side, it'sabout making, you're making

(51:36):
money. It's a very expensiveaircraft. This is a lot of fuel
costs. If you can fly a to b,well, you should be
you're going to be called intothe office like so.
Are you doing on where you comefrom? You might, you might think
about how you do things in adifferent way. So you know, and

(51:58):
I said, Well, just mention it tothem. Tell them don't be shy, no
direct. That's how we do it, youknow, and there's just a lot of
little, tiny, peculiar thingsthat you might see a military
trained person do, just becausethat's how they learned how to
do it.
That's what the primacy. Yeah,exactly, exactly. And it's a
transition to learn that, oh,this is another way. And it

(52:21):
actually works pretty well. Andit's what the bosses want me to
do.
Right? So do what they say.
Yeah, so it's just a lot oflittle things and, and the
transition, it's bigger thanjust than actually flying. It's
leaving the military and you'releaving after many, many years

(52:43):
of someone your paycheckarriving on time, you know, what
you're going to wear to workevery day, you know where to go,
if you get sick, you know, wherethe dentist is, you know, where
everything is, everything's, youknow, you pay for it, but it's
paid for, and you're gettingout, you have no medical
insurance, no, dentist, no, youknow, you're gonna have to find
a job, make a living and payyour rent or your mortgage, you

(53:06):
lose all that security, it's ascary thing. And, and it's it
takes it's a transition, it'ssomething that needs to be
prepared for. And not everybodyknows everything that's coming.
And not everybody knows howexpensive life is or can be. So
you know, when you've lived inthat, and both of you know, you
lived in that military life,it's sort of a small little

(53:29):
utopia. Everything's taken careof, you know what to expect. You
get orders for the next place.
Movers come take your stuff. Youknow, it's all done. And it's
very orderly, and you get out ofthe military. And it's chaos.
Yeah. You have to do everything.
You don't even know where tostart. So it's it's scary and

(53:49):
confusing. And there's theredoesn't seem to be any order to
it. And so I think that's a bigthing for a lot of people
getting out.
Do you have any webinars comingup currently for military to
civilian transition?
I did one there's a there'scurrently one webinar that's in
the the logs for milta Civ thisyear. I think they are coming

(54:11):
out with the another one. And Ithink we're going to try to get
some different people on it thistime. But I think there were
about four or five of us on onthe last one. So milta says, you
know hai webinar, it's on thewebsite with a lot of other
webinars depending on yourinterests, what you want to
listen to and watch. But yeah,and all of the people usually in
every one of the webinars at AGIthey'll put their LinkedIn, you

(54:34):
know, you can access them andask them questions. So
that's great. That's a greatresource. Yeah, that is really
good. And your LinkedIn profile.
You said you had a couple ofresources for people as well.
Your resume template, yeah,resume templates. You're totally
connected across the board inthe industry. So I'm sure people
out there will be able toconnect with you somehow. Or
like one degree of separation inthis industry.

(54:59):
All right. I have tons of I haveat least two resume templates
for maintenance technicians andalso for helicopter pilots.
They, you anybody can use them.
You don't have to come from themilitary. But they're built to
kind of help military people seewhat it's supposed to look like
and what they can make theirslook like, for civilian people
use the same kind of template,you know, and it's pretty

(55:21):
simple. I write an article onone page clean. Here's the
information from the top to thebottom what you know what should
have in it. Because honestly,when you're looking for a job, a
resume is a great thing. Youwant it to reflect who you are,
and you want it to look justgreat. But a resume is honestly
a formality. How you want to getthe job is you want to network,

(55:44):
right? You want to show up, youwant to shake hands, you want to
put a face in front of theresume and say, Hi, this is me.
Every job that I've gotten sofar in aviation has been through
somebody. And I think networkingis really a nice thing. I would
pretty much follow her everyevery job. She does like one

(56:04):
year later. I'm there. That'sfine. I'm like, I got you. I got
a bad day hiring over there likeseriously? Yes, yes, they are.
Yeah. We were flight instructorsin Long Beach together. And then
I went out to fly Grand Canyontours. And then like a year
later, he showed up flying GrandCanyon tours. And then he went

(56:25):
to the airlines I went to Nyanand flew for a private owner for
a little bit. And then I cameout here to Helina Well, I was
about to go into the airlines, Iwas on my way to SkyWest. And
like a month before my startdate, I got the call from heli
net saying that they had acharter position open. And I
think my heart was just way morein helicopters than it was

(56:46):
flying for the airlines anddoing organ transplant stuff was
just calling me a little bitstronger, I guess. And I did a
quick one at went to heli net.
And then yeah, like a yearlater,
like clockwork, COVID hit andcompany went out of business,
his company went out ofbusiness. I was supposed to
actually be up in Alaska thissummer. And I quit heli net. And

(57:09):
I was about to go fly forNorstar just because I wanted
the experience of flying inAlaska. And I was like, You know
what, why not? I mean, it's likea 50% pay cut. But you know, I
just wanted the experience ofgetting Alaska time. And then
COVID hit, and Canada close downtheir borders. Man, I really
don't think there's gonna be aseason immediately called my old

(57:31):
Jeep pilots gonna pick up myjob. Luckily, he hadn't filled
my spot yet. So got saved alittle bit there for COVID
If I took her spot, but likeyou're not welcome senorita
mean, the airlines and theairlines are coming back as
well. Now, I mean, luckilyeverything's starting to slowly,

(57:51):
snail's pace back. But yeah, Iunderstand the poll on the
helicopter side. And you'veprobably noticed how it's full
of passionate jobs like airambulance and organ transplant,
these are things that arepersonally sat at a spying, you
know, helping other people is acommon is a common passion I
see. Among, amongst everyone,you know, in general, but

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especially helicopter people,they're really chasing, not just
a job but a passion. So, youknow, and, and it's part of your
happiness. So with, I see that alot in helicopter pilots and,
and depending on where you go,you know, you'll you'll take
little less money to live in agreat geographical location, or,

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you know, do a job that justmake sure you're inside happy,
you know, your heart happy, soyou have to be happy. And that's
what we're all after.
I know, I was just a flycitation 10 Aside from working
at heli net, personally, likeflying helicopters is just, it's
different. It's different. It'sjust, I don't know, it's

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something I love. It's somethingthat I enjoy doing. Don't get me
wrong, the citation 10 is prettycool. But like it's pretty cool.
Yeah, it's pretty cool. But itjust is a different type of
flying. I love flying ingeneral. So like flying
airplanes or helicopters. It'sall pretty cool with me. But
helicopters, just like I feellike it's a little bit more
intimate. Does that make sense?
Yeah. And I feel like you'reactually on the sticks a little

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bit more and you're doing yourthing and I want to you know,
depart from the airport from mypresent position. taxiways,
taxiways that was a learningcurve when I got to Chicago
here, my first time. And I ittakes us about 15 minutes to get

(59:38):
to the gate, you know, after welanded, and I was like, what EFF
is going on here? Like, yeah, Ilooked at the captain. I'm like,
bro, I don't even know what theycall. I don't even know. They
told me right now.
In my job right now we have aGulfstream 550 And so the

(59:59):
helicopter or oftentimes willwill go to the you know the work
of Ella pad pick up thepassengers and then drop them
off at the Jet the jet fliesaway. Say they come back into
Philly. We go fly into meet thejet and grab the passengers and
we've flown in to meet the jetand waited and waited and
waited. And the taxi they werethere across a couple of runways

(01:00:24):
and like oh my god, you weretexting. He's coming. So much
jet fuel burn in here. Shutdown. So yeah, so I feel for
them and then the boss gets onand he's like, Oh my God, what
are we like? It took us forever.
20 minutes just to get to thehelicopter. Yeah. So we're

(01:00:44):
thinking can we pick up and goto them?
Foxtrot three to pass apassenger change out? Can we
just go to them kind of runningbehind schedule?

(01:01:04):
I'm gonna run out of gas sittinghere on the tarmac.
Minimum fuel, I have to go.
You're on? You're on the term.
Oh, do you like what are youdoing minimum fuel? Well, gosh,
Stacy, it's been an absolutepleasure. You are such an

(01:01:27):
inspiration to perspectivepilots around the world. And
thank you so much for sharingyour story. You have so much
experience and knowledge toshare with with everybody and
with the world. And we havelisteners all around the globe,
too. So we're very popular inSweden. Actually, apparently
number two or number two isYeah, shout out to my sweet not

(01:01:52):
sure what number two is butyeah, we have listeners on
almost every continent.
Yes. Funny when we got the whenshe told me about I was like
what? Am I gonna do the next JoeRogan?
Watch out? Joe, we're coming foryou. On the fly. San Jose. We're
getting there shakenbake. But now thank you so much
for coming on. And man, yourresumes kick ass. I was like,

(01:02:16):
dang, man.
I said to you in a Word doc. Soyou can fashion it with your
stuff inthere. I'm just gonna take your
name out and put my PDFtemplate, I got the Stacey
shared template.

(01:02:37):
I mean, I didn't invent thething, of course. But that exact
template is everywhere you seeit again and again. And again.
We do resume reviews at heliExpo for free. And, and you
you'll see them again and again.
Again, everyone's like, Whereare these coming from?

(01:02:58):
So proud of yourself. You'remaking a difference in the
industry and forI want us all to look good. I
don't want to look I don't wantus to look a hot mess when we go
in for an interview wheneverybody ready. You know, all
that stuff is the fluff anyway,they're hiring you. That's just
the papers that accompany youwhy stress over that? Paperwork?
Yeah. That's right. All right.

(01:03:27):
Well, hey, I know there'sthere's way too much to talk
about. AndI know we could talk to you
forever. For real. I don't evenknow how long What time is it
right now? It's 411. Yeah, Imean, we've been going a little
over an hour or so. Yeah, great,we got some great content, we
usually like to keep it down toabout an hour. So a couple of
our episodes are a little overbut which is totally fine.
Because it's such goodinformation. You know what

(01:03:48):
people will will sit through it,we get so much good feedback
from people out there, throughInstagram, by the way, everybody
out there who's sending usreally amazing reviews to our
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(01:04:33):
there. So oh my gosh, I can'twait for hai heli Expo.
I can't wait. Yes. I mean,either. Yeah, we're
gonna see there. Yeah,look, I'm gonna buy your first
Margarita. Do you drink?
You buy me a drink. I'm yoursfor as long as it takes to drink

(01:04:55):
that drink. Yeah, you can ask mealmost Yeah. templates for that
one came fromYeah, your Smooth Criminal
scenery. They're like, Man, thisinterview went by like, Quick,
Quick Man scenery to Stacey wasa pretty cool chick. It's just
dope. Yeah, you know, I can'tbelieve where this industry is

(01:05:16):
going, you know, she like, kindof opened up my eyes to a whole
new different ballgame of whereI think helicopters are gonna
go.
Yeah, I mean, she, like you canjust feel her excitement. Like
she literally was so lit upduring this conversation when
she was talking about the futureof like quads and, you know,

(01:05:37):
VTOL aircraft and where we'reheading. And I get a lot of
people that approached me whoare thinking about going to
flight school, and they justdon't know if getting into
aviation, if it's the righttiming, or, who knows, like,
when is the right timing? Idon't know. But in this
industry, I like changes year toyear. But I think I mean, I

(01:05:58):
think we're definitely goingmore into electric or hybrid
vehicles, which is cool, it'sgoing to be better for the
environment, it's going to bequieter. It's going to improve
traffic. But super cool. Youjust think about like the
Jetsons. Oh, yeah, you know,we're heading there.
Not only that, but like, I'vejust feel even right now, I
know, we're just barely gettingthrough the pandemic, but the

(01:06:21):
aviation market as a whole, Ithink it's going to be on the up
and up. Yeah. And we're alwaysgonna need pilots, at least
system monitors, you know, Idon't think it's going to be
fully autonomous when it comesto certain things.
And it's going to take a whilebefore people get comfortable,
especially passionate passengercarrying aircraft for people to
feel comfortable withautomation, that much

(01:06:41):
automation. But yeah, it's, uh,I definitely think we're heading
towards an exciting time. Ithink that the industry is not
going to go away anytime soon.
And if people want to getinvolved with aviation, it's
actually kind of the perfecttime to start right now. Because
in a couple of years, even like,in this next year, the airline
business is gonna go, it's gonnaskyrocket. And before the

(01:07:05):
pandemic, there was already apilot shortage, and the airlines
were really desperate for peopleto start flying for them. And
when travel comes back in a bigway, which it will, they're
going to need a lot of hands ondeck, you know?
Yeah, both in the airlines andin the helicopter helicopter
industry.

(01:07:25):
Yeah, I mean, we, it's insane. Iwould see from the beginning of
when I started my career goingto heli Expo, and you'd go to
the job fair, there were linesout the door when I first
started. And with, with peoplehaving their resumes and
networking, in the last one thatI went to, it was like ghost

(01:07:47):
town, and then in the job fair,part of the part of the expo,
yeah, there weren't that manypeople's like, where all the
people were all the flightinstructors that are looking for
their next step. Where are they?
And honestly, I mean, it's justthere's a shortage across the
board. And I think a big part ofit has to do with how expensive
it is.
Yeah. Qualified pilots for theposition. Right, you know,

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totally. So I definitely thinkthere's going to be a need for
both helicopter pilots andairplane pilots. You know, after
two years from now, so somebodystarted flight school today, and
got all of their flight ratingsin the next two years, I think
that the job market is going tobe wide open. And then that's
my, my personal take on it.

(01:08:30):
I very similar.
Yeah, you agree. I do agree.
Cool, man. So we've all beenkind of bummed with the pandemic
and all the cancellation of allof our amazing networking events
and air shows and places wherepeople who have a similar
passion for aviation can gatherin the world. And we're going to
go over now that things arestarting to open up. And

(01:08:54):
organizations are starting toput shows on again, they're
starting to put networkingevents on again, the top three
networking aviation events thatwe could come up with in order
here, here they are.
Oshkosh 2021. The EAA Airventureis back this year, Khalid lujah,

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July 26 to August 1. So go aheadand get your tickets now, folks,
because it's online,the NBA, the national business
aviation Association, they'regoing to be hosting an event in
Las Vegas, October 12 through14th. That's going to be a great
networking event. And make sureyou guys go online and check
that out if that's somethingyou're interested in as well.

(01:09:42):
H AI heli Expo is also back in2022, though, march 7 to the
10th. So if you've alreadypurchased your tickets for New
Orleans, I believe you could geta full refund back or you could
have those ticketstransferred over to 2022 Yeah,
that's gonna be in Dallas, TexasTech.

(01:10:02):
Yeah, I'm going down for sure.
We're gonna be there soyou guys better show up so we
can meet all of you guys face toface. We'd love to see you
there. And hope you guys have abeautiful rest of your day.
That's the end of the episodethis week, and we'll catch you
in a couple of weeks later.