Screams and Scenes: What Makes Horror So Good?

We have a special new episode to kick off the spooky season, here we take on the challenge of convincing one of our hosts why they are wrong in hating horror films.

Listen to us discuss classics like The Ring, Cabin in the Woods, Shaun of the Dead, and a new contemporary classic The Substance. We break down why these films grip our minds and hopefully we can convince all horror haters why they're wrong.

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Episode Transcript

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Look man, we're here to talk about films. Okay, and this is for guys what?
Fuck horror movies. I don't know why they're genre. I don't know who's paying to see these things
It's it's it's like you I
Think they're a waste of breath and time
Like these directors they only do like horror movies. They need to like fucking get that's such a closed-minded

(00:22):
Stain I've seen a long insane, bro. I can't believe I don't like the premise
There's no class to a horror movie. How can you be an enjoyer of film yet reject a genre full?
You know outright just like that because I'm Christian
Let's be honest there's some substance to that

(00:43):
Lot of the horror movies out there are not the best. I don't like them
I mean a lot of a lot of rom-com movies aren't the best and I can agree with that a lot of action movies
Aren't the best I can agree with that
but just if we're looking at all the sections and subsections of
Film that's like the worst fucking genre. Okay. Yeah, but that's your opinion
But explain to me why you don't like them because I feel like for the most common across the most part

(01:08):
They're all cheap. It's all predictable
It's all like the same five fucking tropes and I get it all the other genres have the five same fucking tropes of like
the same five things it's gonna be they have a four it's very formulaic and
It's I it's it's only really being like grotesque to be grotesque. You know what scares me fucking taxes
Yeah, everywhere all at once death in Texas. It doesn't Texas. I'm like but fucking

(01:31):
Fucking chainsaw massacre or like saw movies or fucking even some of the movies that you guys talk about like all these are great
Horror movies they do not appeal to me
Yeah, somebody chase gator with a fucking uncle Sam outfit and audit paperwork and he's dumb bro. It's a sweat
No, I'm not scared of an audit. I'm scared of just like taxes period I could deal with an item

(01:52):
I feel like Nick
I'm just gonna say that, you know people watch horror movies cuz they're so used to their pedophile uncle's fucking chasing them
I was just itching to make a joke
I was like you just gotta escape from the reality. I'll give you that though get her all the tropes

(02:13):
They're they're done way too often the jump scares. They're they're relying completely on you know, the fucking cinematography where it's dark
It's creepy even the whole moves that we've kind of or the suspenseful movies that we've watched here on the product
I have not enjoyed you don't like cure
New
New
Nor
Well, all right. How about give us an example of a movie that you did enjoy somewhat at least you can't just across the board

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So you hate it all scary movie. I knew you were fuck you man scary movie
The way brothers did a fantastic job with the yeah, just realize or order brothers fucking ruined it. Yes
But on a real note, yeah, all right, you know, let's forget the Wayans brothers
Yes are the first two scary movies good. They're fantastic, but they are not horror movies

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Yeah, it's a parody on the whole genre which is in itself kind of still part of it
Let me list a few good horror movies that I think are good. Okay, and then I want to appreciate the fact that you said
You think they're yeah, I think okay. Okay number one the ring. I
Think it's just good because it's a classic but it scares nobody
scared the shit out of me now wait when you actually see the tape and

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Then you see the symbol of the ring pop up for like half of half of a second
That doesn't doesn't bring chills to your bow
because again, I feel like I could like I
Feel like there's nothing in this world that scares me to that extent where I'm like
I'm scared other than taxes other than taxes because you can't avoid taxes. You could what everything else
Okay, what's another good? You can avoid daddy. You can't avoid the IRS

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Really really can't that's probably that's probably how he's gonna go to jail through the IRS. What's the next movie? All right next one
hereditary
But like you guys like I was like, oh dude, it almost made me vomit that's a good fucking movie those fucking scary
I'm like, hey now you're taking what I said out of context. Okay

(04:09):
This guy's talking about the substance which just came out. Yes, and yes
It's kind of a horror movie. I'm sure would you say it's a horror movie more of its body horror
Yeah, it's body horror, but you know, there were some comedic stuff in there
All right, I mean body horror cuz I haven't seen it. So is it like fucking human centipede?
Is it is it tusk like what are we just see?

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you know transformation of the female body and like bones breaking and
Flesh-ripping apart typical man, but I mean the female not the male body
It was a it was a female can I interject that that?
Isaac's trying to make a point and he's going nowhere with it. Yeah, you know, you know, I lost inspiration George your piece shit

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Nick I hate you
It's okay, bro. You just can't heat on a whole fucking John or there's
Isaac is like, oh fuck the horror John and he's only seen like five horror movies
I've seen like, you know, you know which horror movie like transformed
I think like being able to appreciate it for me like I'm just really now starting to be okay with them
I used to be a little bitch paranormal activity. No, actually I haven't seen that one me neither for me was cabinet

(05:16):
Okay, it's cabin. Yeah
Oh my god, people who love that movie this mother fucker hate it and that's fine
But I think that which it was just such a shock factor to me how they like transformed like I was just like wow cool
Another fucking basic ass lash and and then they destroy all the tropes that you would expect
Destroy everything fucking twist it around into some ritual fucking bullshit crap and then start bringing out like

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Really cool monsters and like get really intricate with the designs of like like the unicorn and everything else
You're like, holy crap
So like that's why I liked it cuz I remember man you just see like holy shit
Like this is a movie where they put in some thought like that was to some extent and Sigourney Weaver at the yeah
That's true. Yeah, that's where I agree with Isaac is I am tired of movies and that's doesn't just go for horror movies

(06:04):
But what movies in general where they just kind of regurgitate an easy trope
Regurgitate like a basic generic plot that worked 20 years ago and just recycle everything like you know, like that's annoying to add
like to that conversation, I think
The last I think quality horror movie was probably Paranormal Activity that one actually felt

(06:25):
No, if you say some stupid shit like that's cuz you haven't been out in the theaters for the last 10 14 years
Actually look you haven't proved me wrong. Like you've showed me cure. You showed me all the other shit
These are movies from like the 90s. You know what I mean? Like I'm just showing you stuff that I like
It doesn't fit your mold. Mm-hmm, but but you know modern-day recent horror films have actually kind of I mean they say, you know

(06:45):
quote-unquote elevated horror
but I just think they're just adding another level of like see but like that gore we say like breaking bone eating flat like that doesn't
Like yeah, but one thing is me saying that and then the other thing is you're actually watching the film because in this example
The substance the film is about how you know the a woman does whatever she can to become young again to fit the

(07:08):
Standards of you know modern-day beauty standards. That's kind of the whole thing about the movie
Okay, and so the the whole thing about you know, seeing that kind of horror
It's just an exaggeration of how a woman has to change her body. Yeah to to to fit these standards
Yeah, so, you know good
I know that I couldn't watch that kind of movie because I know that that type of like gore horror

(07:29):
Kind of does get me like in a weird psychological way for whatever reason
But I can't appreciate when a movie actually
Finds a topic that's very real like that like female beauty standards or just beauty standards in general and
and finds a way to creatively kind of express it through a
To me it doesn't sound like creatively because it just sounds like they're just now adding a shock factor to something that I think is

(07:52):
Actually scary and important to talk about
Like how is that like how is that adding substance that you use?
But thing is you already criticize in film you've never seen but I think I think you could argue the same thing though for like war
movies
right like like you know you think about saving private Ryan like the idea of people who are KIA or
Missing in action in general and stuff like that like and and the efforts that we should go to to try to like save some

(08:14):
Those guys instead of just saying like oh, here's your flag
Yeah, I don't know what happened here your husband your son your wife your daughter or whatever
It's like instead like that that doesn't ever really happen
There might be one instance of like something like saving private Ryan happening in real life
But we make a bunch of war movies that show things like Fury and saving private Ryan and the Hurt Locker about these amazing

(08:36):
Soldiers this group of band of people who stood their ground and whatever. It's like you don't really do too many
Realistic war movies about like how how mundane war can be for like the people out there. I would disagree
There's a lot of realistic. Oh, yeah, there's plenty, but those are the ones that get any and I've seen them
Have you know band of brothers have you guys have you seen this show?

(08:59):
It's fantastic. I don't know you like that shit like it's a short series
Yeah, they're they're like an hour and a half each episode. They're not short series and there's like
Movie you get by each time but each fucking
But if you look at the show, it's each fucking episode is a different story about a real-life account that happened

(09:19):
See, but I feel it's not even on topic of what we're trying to discuss
Yeah, just the general point is that yes
Sometimes you have to use shock factor like I don't think that you know like comedians do it too
Like they'll say the most heinous like sexist, you know, we joke around with jokes here, too
on the pod and like you say it because you want to listen people to have a reaction you want people to actually like
Like react to you because then they might be actually listening to what you're about to say

(09:42):
You know if all of a sudden even whether you're mad at me or you're happy at me at least now you're listening
You know, and so I think that horror does that a lot like they really try to focus on how do they gain your attention?
And a lot of the times you're right Isaac. It is shock factor
Some things I know I can't handle but other times like like with cabin in the woods and stuff like that where it was fun
Shocking it was like whoa

(10:03):
I really enjoyed that personally or like other movies like I don't want to speak too generic because I know everybody
Loves silence of the lambs and I know everybody everybody loves to talk about that one. I get it
I'm not gonna stay on it for too long
But just watching the shock for me wasn't even like the gore it was the delivery
Like sir Anthony Hopkins like just just watching him like dissect open a brain in front of

(10:26):
Clarice like it was insane. There's just I remember I couldn't like I couldn't even tear my eyes away from the screen
I couldn't blink. I just felt like I was enthralled
Yeah
See, I feel like that movie really changed things in the genre
Because I don't know how many movies before that was like both horror but then also at the same time thriller
Yeah detective, you know what I mean?
I mean there obviously were like here but that one really stuck out

(10:49):
I mean you can make a point that seven is similar to absolutely
Yes, seven was definitely influenced by movie like here and then even the most recent film long legs
Yeah, obviously influenced by these kinds of movies. So I haven't seen it
It didn't really land. It didn't really land like I wanted it to I thought I think the ride
It was good for like the first two thirds and then it just falls apart. It felt like what's that other one?

(11:11):
It was a foreign film. I think it was in Spanish. It was something
when evil
When evil lurks evil I've heard you watch that I haven't seen it
I haven't heard a lot of good things about it. Maybe that should be one check out soon
see, but you know, that's the thing about the horror genre is that people try to like
Minimize it by like, you know, Oh Freddy Krueger this and that but but it's so vast just like all these other

(11:35):
Yeah, like one of the ones that I think like, you know just
That scared me personally like a holy shit
What would I do in situation? Because I mean it kind of like Isaac like I don't think if I saw a Freddy Krueger
Something like that like like I want to say I'm not as afraid of something with it because I've just searched a realistic person
Like that's an in real serial killers are real don't get me wrong
But also it's like if I was afraid of serial killers
I couldn't walk out my door because the odds of especially in like a place like LA County Orange County

(11:58):
With the amount of people we run into you've ran into a serial killer. You've ran into a murderer. Absolutely
You think so?
Pretty good you go to a mall serial killer
Maybe not as much nowadays
But like someone who's murdered or someone who's at least committed mass murder at least more than one person in their lifetime
If you go to a mall and like you stay there for a large amount of time
The odds that one person there has at least murdered a person or multiple is high what? Yeah, like there's a fact check this

(12:25):
I don't believe that I that I read I think I believe it
I think it was like if you spent ten hours in a mall the idea that you walked past someone who's taken a life and
It could have been in self-defense
See but like I've been in stuff like that or it could have been like and especially after all the time
28 years of your life living how long ago did you do this study? This was I think like four years ago
I see that's when malls were still prevalent like oh, yeah. Well, okay

(12:48):
All right, I don't know if you've been a main place lately
Have you seen Westminster mall? Yeah, she's like in dead brick and mortar, you know
Yeah, they're dying breed bro. Okay, so we're doing a shoe drop on Nike
Oh, you know at one of those guys who was helping you he's a murderer
That's the point, but I don't know why Isaac's being fucking nitpicky

(13:14):
But that point is I'm not afraid of like those guys but like another movie to talk about like
Yeah, so I have like three black belts in taekwondo. It's not even that like for me
It's like have you guys ever seen as above so below? No, that's an older one. I mean that one that one creeps me out
That's the one the the one in France
Catacombs, yeah the catacombs in Paris and so like that idea of

(13:35):
like being lost and like then and but like one thing is like wilderness survival when you're lost but when you're lost in a place like
The catacombs and all of a sudden like you're watching like them like lose their mind
You're watching them see some crazy shit
You're watching like them react and like they're dying like things that aren't making sense are happening
like there's a couple of movies that are like that like the cave and

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Where they are like their beings and monsters that are down because it's below the certain depth of the ocean or whatever
But even just something as simple as that one where you're just like I'm in a really vast unfamiliar place
The likelihood of my death is extremely high. Yeah, like the descent. I'm really fucked me
That's a really good one. The sand is a great example as well and the caves so like I like about see

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But would that be considered horror they'd be considered suspense. I feel like well, I know as above so below
No, it's a subcategory within. Yeah pretty similar
I think suspense and horrors at two
I think it's the same thing like we talked about with true crime like like seven could be
Categorized as a thriller or like to some extent you could start saying it's true crime
You can start saying it's like an war film like everything has subsets, right? Well the way

(14:40):
Everything has subsets, but the way I categorize the movie is like what is it mostly about is either horror?
Yeah, but they're usually exclusive. No, I know I know but like if the movies like three-quarters suspense
And I'm gonna consider that a suspense movie considered then like the last section just be horror
I would say with as above so I think you just want to shit on horror so bad that you turn it
Separately, I don't know. Yeah, I can't you're yet to prove your point. Why do you hate them so much?

(15:03):
I already told you it's cheap for the most part. It's like it's not scary at all
I'm gonna sit here to pay for a two hour long fucking movie that makes zero fucking sense
I'm not scared of some guy walking. I think Isaac already said this man because it's true
You haven't proved to me why they're good either. I feel like I'm not it's not gonna work. We're not gonna prove anything
There's just so many though. It's like you can't just say across the board. They're all terrible like I'm it's no more

(15:28):
That's more of a psychological thriller, but the first time I watched it
What's scared that's like
Like like actually yeah like talking about like Midsommar. I don't like saying Midsommar. I think that's
I think it might actually be that way. I can't pronounce things. But um, I think the one time you know, you're right
I just don't say it that way
But um, but like that movie was an example when we watched it together that one fucked me up because like the opening scene is suicide

(15:54):
In a very dark way and like that one that's again a movie where it's like it's a fucking shock where it's like
If you if you were having a bad day and you watch someone like kill themselves in a violent way
you're like and that director in particular really knows how to
Create dead bodies that are disturbing to look at. Yeah, and he held on for like five seconds

(16:14):
Yeah, just a little on her face. Yeah, and like just zoomed out. Oh my god
See like like that kind of imagery sticks with you. It does right?
Yeah, you can almost see that just as much as any of the other scenes in the movie
Right, right
see what made that like movie very like appealing in a way where I'm like
I liked it because it was so horrifying was the fact that she so easily turned on her partner and decided

(16:35):
Hey, you know what? These people make me feel welcome enough that I'm gonna let them kill you
Yeah, like and that's something that not necessarily like your partner is gonna turn on you where they're gonna kill you or let you die
But it just as easily like someone let's say it's your love your life
And then they're just you're fighting protect them and then they turn on you. Yeah, exactly that that's a very real thing
And it just kind of like that fuck me up

(16:56):
It's scary to see what a human being can do under specific circumstances. That's the scary part
It doesn't have to be like, holy shit. I'm terrified. It's yeah, no, it wasn't like oh my god
I think about something see and Isaac's not even listening to see oh there was there was no jump scares
I literally Google the is suspending a horror the same consider the same genre and filming. They're not are you still on that?
God fucking damn it move that move on gator

(17:18):
I'm not moving on not saying that because I could shit on a whole fucking genre
No, I get that but you're so caught up in the specific
Isaac like this is a categorization. It doesn't matter now. I'm gonna under understandable brother
I understand but like when you guys are talking to be about a suspenseful movie and a horror movie
Those are two different things. Well, like again midsummer is not a suspense. Yeah, there's suspense in it

(17:39):
Just like there's suspense in Mad Max Fury Road, but there is that isn't a suspense
So look, I think what you're saying is that you're categorizing these, you know movies
They have a specific trope that are focused fully on gore and fully on jump scares
And those suck and I kind of I agree with you. There's what I'm saying is a tradition
What is considered a traditional horror movie? I think is absolutely horrible. Yeah, but what we're saying is that

(18:03):
I know but there's so many that's you talking but that's two different things though
Our movies bad though, that's like saying apple juice and orange juice are the same thing in my opinion
I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about anymore. You lost me. Like here's the thing though
I think you're talking about movies like, you know nightmare on Elm Street
He's thinking like it's got a we need to poo

(18:23):
Blood I like to be screaming you're talking about slasher. No, no, I'm also talking about what the fuck is that one movie?
That it's like aliens or some shit like that aliens. No
Alien versus no
The first oh, there's a horrible the pretty
I'll tell you right now, but like this I like movies like that are just like they're trying to really like oh, okay

(18:46):
You know what signs down to the thing. The thing is an amazing
Thing
Great horror great horror because again, it's the idea of like yes, there is gore in it
There is a creature but that's not what's scary. It's who is it? Who is it?
it's it's the idea that could be any one of you fucks, you know, and of course it'd be a Latino because

(19:08):
Full disclosure, we're all Latino. We just don't like them though
So I was identifies with his Japanese side though. It's crazy only when it's convenient. Hey, I can use it
Don't be jealous cuz you can't yes. I am jealous. See I Isaac still think about oh, it was the fourth time
I've seen the fourth kind. I'm arrival. I rivals good arrival was not a horror movie, but arrival was good. Yeah

(19:29):
Like arrival is what you would call a complete suspense movie like it was a thriller like to some I don't even call it that
Just sci-fi really because it was really like like that
The theme in the music at some points can be a little scary like like they they they made you feel like are they gonna jump-scare?
Me, but it never happened. It was just a good movie. Well, I like a rebel

(19:49):
Yeah, they had a little bit of elements of suspense. So like why are they here? Yeah, no exactly you that's the theme around it
You're just like is it gonna be one of them? But I'm just kind of a brought up a good topic
Which is there's a big difference between American horror films and European horror films or even Japanese horror films or even Japanese
Exactly. I guess we all European I can speak about Japanese and you know, you can't cuz you've only seen wait

(20:13):
Give me give me a good example of European one because I'm trying to think and I'm like there's a very well-known
film called martyrs, which I haven't seen but it's apparently very explicit and very
ex-actual explicit or
God Andre like that that movie's about like two women, right? Will I get abused and they're

(20:36):
So it's like clockwork orange I think of I've seen trailers for that one. I haven't seen it though
he just he's like
manipulating them and like
Torturing them and like in their home and you know, and that's that's very disturbing and another one that I
Find really horrible is one called funny games not because it's a bad movie
But just because the experience that you go through it's it's not terrifying but it's horrible to see what's what what happens to this family

(21:03):
you know how they how they how they you know the things that they go through essentially like it's scary to watch because it's
like you as a person you're like I
You know the like I can't be in this situation that this is this so disgusting
This is bad and but you just keep watching and you know that it's but awful ways
Funny games you said yes called funny funny people, but is that enjoyable every Adam Sandler movie is it's not enjoyable to me

(21:27):
You be Halloween. It's not a classic but it's it's an experience, you know
And I'm all about having an experience whether it you know, it's a negative or positive feeling
You know, you'd rather go to a movie and elicit a extreme reaction whether it's positive or negative and I get that
It's like the last thing I want us to go to movie like that. I just was just waiting

(21:48):
That's exactly that was my argument on old boy because people have like it's such an explicit nature and like crazy
But I'm like it made me feel something not something good, but I felt something. Yeah, I was like fuck dude
It's just anything. Am I just solidify that you yourself are right? I want to fuck your daughter
That that you're just a regular human being who would not do something horrible like this, you know what I mean?

(22:10):
Yeah
and so I
Think that's the the cool part about horror films that they push these boundaries and they make you see things that you normally wouldn't
Want to see right and at the end you always come out with like who you know
Like that was that was crazy and I think horror
Like one of the things that might speak to why some of us don't appreciate as much
I know like for me it's it's been a growing thing. It's been a journey to try to appreciate it because my girlfriend loves horror movies

(22:35):
So like there were times where like I just had to step up and be like
I know how much she wants to see a horror movie right now
I've been making her watch the things I want to watch like I got to step up. I got to watch something
Right. It's time for me to like, you know
It's time for me to do
dick off
But anyway, um, what's it called?
Let's grow for me sound bite for me. What I really wanted to do is kind of try to analyze that but I see it as

(23:03):
I don't want to get too into like personal with her especially without her permission
But like she has a lot of anxiety. She's had a lot of anxiety throughout her life. And I know
No, I mean that's what
I'm gonna leave and I think a lot of her friends too and a lot of the people who really
Enjoy horror are people who like are able to kind of go on that journey of anxiety like because I feel like

(23:25):
It's the same thing for comedy movies, right?
If you're living a very stressful life and you don't find a release to laugh you want to you crave comedy
You're like I need something that's gonna make me laugh since it's gonna make me like unwind, you know
Or I need an action movie that's gonna make me go whoa and just throw me
but if you're if you're pent up in some sort of like like like like whether it's fear anxiety, whatever you're scared about something that's

(23:47):
Going on in your life
You're nervous about something getting a good scare in and feeling that release of like all those emotions
Allows you to kind of help process and push that away in your personal life and what you're personally dealing with
So someone like Isaac who's really good at dealing with stress
He's got a lot of stress in his life who has no need to deal to add additional stress and trauma through

(24:08):
Like the experiences that are going on in a horror movie
Of course that I can understand why these aren't gonna resonate with you
Just like someone who is like a comedian always says I don't want to watch comedies. That's my life
All I do is make jokes and they love horror movies. You're saying that Isaac is always in a horror movie every
The taxes brother taxes always on his ass

(24:29):
I think he did he can't stop talking to him. Hey, dude, you know, he's trying to get them
I'm trying to get that million, you know, hey, whatever you gotta do
Let's just say I supplied
Hey, let me just tell you right now. I think I have the baby. Yeah, he's got the baby
You need some you hit your boy up. I still got like a whole palette
But no, I think what a horror movie I have like it has to be realistic

(24:53):
It can't like I think it throws me out at the point that it just becomes
Like just shock factor. I feel like if it's realistic to a point
With a little bit of shock, but when it just like wow
Like they they went to over the tower just doesn't feel real
Where can I ask like sense of the lab like like sense of that when he's like I could imagine a creepy fuck opening up

(25:16):
A guy's fucking brain that is is like it's probably having it's probably happen like that feels like realistic
It feels like it could happen. I
Feel like you know what fuck if this actually I've actually if I actually saw somebody doing this this scares the shit out of me
but if I'm gonna go watch like
Like suspect what was the show the movie just watch that just came out the substance the substance and you're telling me like

(25:40):
But like oh, you know what scary? Yeah, the fact that like women do have to go through like all these bodies
It's more feel what's going on and then they're trying to change it, but then oh it becomes she becomes like a grotesque
Sorry
Monster that literally this literally what yeah why that doesn't sound appealing to me doesn't even sound realistic
Yeah, but like not even that is it a little to me there be realistic
Yeah, it's like we we watch movies to escape from reality and like not have to deal with

(26:03):
I'm what's funny about that film is I think my wife
Enjoyed a lot more than I did because there are things that she goes through as a woman that understands more
Obviously more than than than I ever would in them in the movie really hey, but you're president
That's why thank you. You don't do it that thank you, buddy
But you know what's interesting is I guess to give Isaac a little bit of love real quick
What's the what's the tropes you guys don't like like for me one that I can't see?

(26:26):
What's right jumps here? Sorry not tropes
What kind of horror movies do you guys dislike because for me all of the religious horror movies where it's like the nun?
The exorcism like yes, I can agree that Annabelle and all those they're scary. I'm not gonna say they're not but I
Know that technically if you are religious like it says that demons the devil and all those things are gonna come for you

(26:48):
But it's like the idea that like you're getting fucked that hard in the ass
And and nobody's actually like witness this is the end
Like that's my point like I feel like it'd be something like this is the end
It's not gonna be like the conjuring where it's like oh, yeah
There was this one family and for whatever reason only this once these two people are the only ones who have any
Recollection that all this shit happened to them and we're gonna tell you this right now. It's like now

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Dragon ball it's elevated as fuck like the piano slid over because there was an earthquake and you're just like, haha
Are you sure that wasn't your ass moving it? Yeah
Yeah, like passion of the Christ another one not the best, you know, hey, they're making a sequel man
I'm not even kidding. No Gibson is doing it. Hey, you fucking killed it the first one blazing saddles

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That was a scary young Frankenstein
Well, I mean one of my favorites was definitely
Tucker and Dale versus hell. Yeah
It's a parody literally of every horror movie also when he says that but I say scary movie it's crazy
Yeah, but no this one that has like actual heart
No, and not like the first two scary movies are all the other ones. Yeah, we can all agree on that

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We can agree on that but Tucker and Dale versus evil like it was it was literally like scary movie was scary themes in a complete
Comedy movie versus Tucker and Dale versus evil was a horror movie where it was just like a character like comedic characters that could not
For the life of them like escape the realities of what was happening
They could not escape the tropes like they didn't want to be the tropes. They're literally unwillingly

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They plucked two characters from a different movie and put it into this scary movie. Yeah, it was like having
That's what made it work. It made it feel like you were watching like Scooby-Doo and Shaggy or some shit in the middle of one of those
You're like what the fuck? Yes scary movies to to blatant. It's literally
Yeah, if I start to make you feel like movie 43 or the garage throwing them in there. Yeah, see, but those are fun
I like to watch those and to your point. Yeah, I'm not really fan of those religious stuff

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But actually funny enough when I watch any like sort of religious scary movie
It already freaks me the fuck out just because religion is associated to it
Yeah, that's just a childhood thing because you know, I was real still in funny
I was gonna say the same thing the first like the first exorcist that I watched as a kid
I was horrified because I was like this is real this could happen

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You could get demonic possession because I was so indoctrinated with I do. Yeah
Can you believe that and I was just like oh my god, this is a doc. You know what happened?
This is why he's a general at times. Yeah, it's the demons still there. Got to take him out
And he's in his pants. I can see him right now. So if you guys know any priests, you know
Could exercise me. Let me know. Another good one is Master of Disguise. I mean

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Classic. That can be multiple people. It could be one of us. I mean, that's devil work
Think about it. Obviously. Turtle. Turtle. What's some non-horror movies that were scary?
For you like just the premise or like the idea of like what the fuck like phone booth
Phone booth was actually a pretty that was a suspenseful but that was like just the idea that you can get wrapped

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Yeah, you guys ever seen that one. No, is that Jake Gyllenhaal or was that that's the guy that plays the penguin?
Conferral was Colin Farrell. That's how young he was. Sorry. It's Colin Farrell. Oh, I'm just calling for L. Williams
I'm just kidding. Yeah, Colin Farrell Williams did a great job. Yeah, but that she was like to fuck that
Yeah, cuz that feels kind of realistic. I'm like something not is a school shooter shit where it's like

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You could just be the wrong place the wrong time and here you are like the right no, cuz so the premise of that movie
Shooting like every three days. Yeah, he gets caught up inside a phone booth
No, cuz this is the whole point is that George you're laughing at a serious matter. Yeah, it's kids die
Why would you say that's what I'm not funny? It's like when you were talking about old boy and about all that pedophile shit
You're fucking crazy George. Hey, we're gonna move on. I'm gonna pay for your better health cuz you need you need help

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You need Jesus. All right, if you guys need professional therapy at a low low
Use code for guys one for no therapy cuz we're not sponsored. They're like fuck those four
We get sued for this. No, cuz I said not a sponsor, right? And also we're giving them like kind of like a free slot
Yeah, you know
Also, please follow us at our social media. But yeah movies like movies like that like phone booth where

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The whole premise of it just to not spoil too much
But so George understands where we're coming from is a dude goes basically gets gets wrapped up in a scheme where he's the one inside
A phone booth answers a call from a guy basically saying like you need to follow my instructions or else
I'm either gonna kill people or kill you so he's automatically responsible for like something terrible
That's gonna be calling Charles like you're bullshitting me guys. He starts showing similar to the what's the key on one speed?

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What's the key on one speed? What kind of like in the sense of like you're wrapped up in a situation where multiple people are gonna die
This is like a sniper. You make a good point
This is like a sniper training a gun on you and people are like where the fuck are the sniper coming from?
So it's like I think that one they did a really like a much better job than speed of playing up the suspense
Which made it seem scary like for me I was gonna think more of like something like imagine living like the world of like the Hunger Games

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Like it's crazy. It's like a child like book and whatever but having to realize that
Oh shit, like your life can be thrown away just because and go into just just fucking battle royal battle royal with kids
Like it's crazy. The original is better than hungry. I'm still watch fuck. Oh, yeah battle royale real
Damn, you're right. He looks so young. He does dude. Yeah, I've never seen this movie. It's fucking great. It's really old Schumacher

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That's that's a really good movie. He directed Batman Batman forever. It's a really good movie. I was cob
It's a lot of Lex's right now telling you hard recommend. I'm putting on the watch list right now
Yeah, you know, it's a really good horror movie. That isn't scary at all to me
Dracula with Gary Oldman and Keanu Reeves and Winona Ryder. I haven't I really I love the whole look the whole aesthetic of that film

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Just like the fucking you know, the stylist the wardrobe people they just created such a world and Coppola just
Just a gorgeous movie all around and you know the the way that it was so it was really faithful to the material due to the original
Dracula book which was really amazing and I mean Keanu Reeves was not the best actor to this day to this day to me

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He just he's just really cool. You know, what's another movie that comes to mind? I wasn't done with my point, but
You really need to see you really need to see Dracula. Yeah, you want to say something George? No, no
Have you ever watched Queen of the Damned? Yeah, the aesthetic is fantastic and the soundtrack, but it's not a good movie
It's not a good I would argue and this one's gonna piss you off a little bit. Maybe I'm hoping it doesn't just let me cook

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Let's see, uh, ash versus evil dead, especially evil dead 2. I mean, I love those movies. No, I'm saying that it isn't scary
Like it's a horror. No, they're like scary at all. But like that static is super dope. Yeah. Okay
I'm just wanted to make sure I know like the evil dead rises is that one that rise that one was a little scary for sure
The one before that evil dead which was like the remake or whatever that one was more even more terrifying

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Yeah, I was worried about those. You know, it's a movie that scared the shit out of me inception
That's what got you. Yeah, did you see inception? I don't know why I said yes. Yeah, my head was like in city. Yeah
I was thinking I was like wait. Yeah
Not a horror movie inception, but I like that. Can I tell you why I feel like in my crazy-ass fucking head?

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I can inception myself and go to like layers like that. You just get lost in this good law and then the IRS is chasing you
It's just the IR. Nah, it wouldn't be the I read the matrix where it's mr. Anderson. Mr. Anderson. Mr. Riser Perrone
Yeah, you didn't finish your taxes. Yeah
It's just your technically if your little brother does that to him. Oh

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Dude fucking Chris dress up as Neo
I'm actually gonna do that this year
Maybe yeah, she and be Neil this year. No, cuz I think Chris would be a better look for that do it
I want to see we can do a neo off damn bro. Neo. He is cuz he has a look. I'm sorry
Yeah, he has a look. He does have a little
We could all just be agent Smith and then you're you're not see Alexis looks more like an agency

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I need a Trinity though. Who's gonna be my trim if I have not your wife
Guess who his wife is gonna play
It's obvious Oracle or the Morpheus Morpheus come on even he knew come on
As this podcast has been going Isaac and I just gone lower and lower

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That's what you like to see get low with it
We're just getting low but what other settings?
What do you think is worse though? Like you're missing a part of your trip or you come back and then you're like, oh fuck
No, I you're making work
You know and your class and everybody's laughing and pointing at your small wiener, right?
And it's not even cold sexually. No, I don't know any of that's like all that bad

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Or you got a chubby and they call you up to the class and you have to you know
Do some math with your math and then and then nobody notices that you have a chubby. Yeah, it's crazy
That's for talking about from creepy boy, you know, this is not man. I always don't just dream
Let's get back on topic five four three
two fuck scary movies honestly like

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Yeah, I mean you you've done nothing to convince us that you're right
You've done nothing to me to convince me. Otherwise, you know, it's not our job to convince you
Otherwise, it's your job to convince you our movies are shitty. Okay, all the movies that's the unpopular opinion here
All the movies you guys have brought up had
From in my opinion have been in the suspense category and then boom book is closed his opinion. He said it doesn't count

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Yep, boom. We made it made it. All right, that's for guys one film
That's for guys one film. Thank you for listening in
All right, I just want to know because you know, even though Isaac's a fucking hater
He's probably not gonna have an answer for this. But what are your guys's you already know my hair?
I said it earlier favorite scary films
Whether it's favorite or maybe most memorable or like the first one that made you shit yourself piss yourself. Whatever

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Yeah, which one's cabin in the woods? I think it's just it was just so different
I already talked about it earlier on the pod. I think it just it changes a scary
I think there was elements of it that that did creep me out. I think once it started getting crazy
Yeah, like it took me out of the scary and it just more like shocked
But like and it wasn't like like shock like gore or shock like some crazy like premise or sorry something like I'm along the core

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Sizes it was about the crazy premise. That's what I liked and don't get me wrong
There's other like scarier movies like the conjuring and Annabelle like that
But I think for me was just the inventiveness of that movie like the like it was just completely different
It was out of left field. Nobody expected that, you know, I was gonna say too that I saw cabinet
It was first time with George and another friend of ours funny enough. I hated on that movie so much

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Yeah, we originally watched it. However, my oil has changed but but the the funny thing is that I didn't want to see it
He wanted to see it cuz I was like nah
I don't do scary movies cuz I was like a little bitch, you know
And yeah at the end of the film I ended up fucking loving it
I like bought the DVD the blur and all that shit and George is such a fucking hater
He was like, that's the worst movie I've ever seen in my life. I was so like you're just dogging on that

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It was do it dog water. I mean, I think that that's how your taste changes when you're a kid
Well, that's the thing too
Cuz like I mean as a kid as a teenager I was more like I want to see this last year
Yeah, like all that and this is shitting on all that so I'm like, what the fuck is this?
This is not a type of movie that I wanted to watch. I was expecting something completely
I don't even know if we paid for it. Probably not. No, we probably snuck in because back then we didn't pay for movies ever

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But I still don't have a aim to hear no no, but now that I
Re-watch it I get it cuz it's like there's so many other films that this is shitting on and like it
Reinvents it and it does it well and it it makes sense. I think it's good
But back then I did not appreciate I was like, how long did it take you to come around?
Watching a lot more horror movies and movies in general and it kind of made me realize oh

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I see what they did there. It makes sense because then don't get me wrong, you know what would I like?
Still about the genre of horror one thing I will say Isaac is I can rewatch like the original Halloween and yeah
It's like it's like inventing the slasher genre with like when you watch the originals of like Freddie or Jason or Michael Myers
Like but you still enjoy it like the original Halloween is a really good movie and it is a definite slasher movie

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It's definitely like yes, like I like probably Isaac and other lot of other people like that would never happen to me
I wouldn't I wouldn't commit all of the stupid mistakes that these kids were making
But yes, I also imagine like if this is a small town where nothing bad ever fucking happens just like scream
It's like fuck. Yeah, of course. They're doing stupid shit. They're not paying attention
They're going out past curfew even though there's a killer on the loose

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So it's it's it's great
Like that's what was cool about scream to is even having that character who was literally saying he's like, oh whoever loses their virginity
They're gonna be the ones who die. Yeah, whoever says I'll be back soon. They're gonna be the ones that die
You know what scream was kind of genius cuz this started off with Drew Barrymore
They did fucking killed her. Yes, and they're already the stakes are like up here with that
Yeah, you know and like and that's just like that wasn't heard of at the time. I think yeah

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I come and there's actual state even having two killers
Right where you're just like you're fighting the whole time to figure out who is the killer and then revealing?
Oh, there's two of them. I've only ever seen the first one. I haven't seen any no me neither
I haven't seen any the remakes just do a marathon. We could absolutely. Oh, you know, what's another one?
That's scary
I know what you did last summer in the sense where it's like imagine murdering someone gets from thinking you got away with it

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And then it's just like hey, I know what you did. That's what terrifies George
a secret coming back to
Oh my god, that's nothing real has ever been said that's literally his greatest fucking
He just outed himself skeletons in the closet, baby. We all got him
George's is going to the closets Isaac's is taxes. We really little just little by little figuring it out

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We're we're getting what about you Alexis. What was your favorite horror movie?
I think to me it's the the ring now one don't really creep me the fuck out
Because it kind of it kind of goes along with like the old like, you know shit's going down
There's like a demon here this or an evil spirit and then they figure it out
right and
Then you think the movie's over and then it's not

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because this ghost is actually an evil fucking ghost like through and through and like the the dread just doesn't stop and
That shit really stuck with me and especially when you see the tape that apparently kills everybody in like seven days
That's the last thing that because like they they play, you know the whole lore and it's like, oh shit
I saw it. Am I gonna die in seven days, you know, I was like younger when I saw it

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Yeah, and so that that really stuck out to me and even when I saw it a few years ago
I had to see it on my phone just because of like the
imagery dudes like scared like when she when they when the ghosts like twists people's faces and when she's like coming out of
The TV just crawling out of the TV. It's like like what how do you react to that?
How do you feel about like that monster versus other monsters?

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Cuz like I always make the case of like well if Michael Myers isn't running why the fuck can't people outrun?
At least Jason runs Freddie runs, right, you know, but like with the ring. I've always been like kick that little girl
But you know what it is those characters have kicked little those characters having fun
Versus this character like it's just full hate
You know what I mean, and that's what's scary cuz and it's not even like, uh, you know physical being it's it's like a spirit

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Yeah, it's the same thing with like that's the whole thing for me with like religious. Yeah exactly that where it's like
Yeah, it's it's it's they're all hateful malevolent beings and it's it's kind of cheap to be able to say like
There's nothing you can do about it kind of right
You just have to keep saying the power of Christ compels you the power of Christ and like holy water and all this
But those are the kinds of movies that make me scared to look at a mirror. Yes, I'm like, oh shit

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Like what's behind me? That's just cuz all the jump scares. Yeah, exactly, but it still gets me, you know
What about you George was your favorite horror movie?
you know what I think it has to be some of the classics like
I really enjoyed I mean enjoyed like it's it terrified me the first extras and just fucked me up as a kid
Yeah, and then also like a paranormal activities one has been stuck with me for the longest fucking time

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Because I think it really
Opened up the whole found footage, you know genre and in one category actually the Blair Witch project
I know but this was but that one reinvigorate. Yeah
I think that one reinvigorate. Yeah, it really and also for me, you know watching it back then
I was just kind of like I kind of felt like I thought it was real

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It's just like oh they found this fucking footage these people actually got murdered
There's fucking ghosts and demonic things going on. Obviously now as older. I'm like, okay, it's kind of silly
And at the time you got to think about it, too
I think YouTube was probably like around its peak and so you already kind of have that that YouTube culture going around and then you
See something like this where it's like, oh fuck
Yeah, you can like I would watch so many of those, you know, just montages where it's like ghosts caught on tape

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Yeah, I remember that and then it's like, you know the middle of the night or you're by yourself
You're on your phone or the computer and you kind of scream the fuck out of yourself and you find I gotta turn it
I'm gonna turn it off. Yeah, but that stuff under the covers literally stuck with me and it fucked me up when I first watched it
Especially back then
Now it's like a little bit different. Yeah, but I also one thing that I don't think we talked about was zombie movies

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I think there's so many good zombie movies. I mean
Yeah, like 28 days later that fucking movie they hired
professional athletes to play the zombies and
Imagine a fucking zombie that's trying to kill you and he's running full fucking sprint Usain Bolt
Like your ass is done dude. Your ass is grass zombies really scared me too. Just I think yeah

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I think zombies used to scare me more but I feel like as an adult
I'm just such a fucking realistic pessimist bitch that like I'm always just like no
No, I know it's not real but it's like creepy to even think about like, alright, do you guys watch quarantine?
Like that that yeah, you're stuck in a hotel and you're quarantined in there. There's motherfuckers trying to eat
World War Z was also crazy. Right, Andres gave me the head nod. You like quarantine

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Yeah, World War Z zombies were insane too
Like that scene where they're fucking climbing the wall and getting up to the dawn of the dead to Sean of the dead
You want to talk about a fucking great horror movie Isaac that is fucking funny Sean of the dead
It was just out in theaters again, too
I missed it like that's that's a phenomenal horror movie where it's like yeah
It doesn't they reinvented the zombie trope to make it. Yeah, you know, it's a better movie hot fuzz

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I knew you guys a hot fuzz. Fuck. Yeah
What's the only did world's end? Yeah world's end was good. Yeah, how fuzz was fucking sick?
That movie's fucking hilarious. You do that one at some point what they need to do more with fucking monsters is
Is shit like Cloverfield and 10 Cloverfield Lane like over paradoxes?
All right, it wasn't as good obviously but like the idea of like like Taiju movies don't always have to be fucking Godzilla or

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doesn't have to fucking
time
You didn't have it in them, okay
Just resorted to
He's not even saying anything. Yeah, he's like whatever I can add. He's so I'm not defeated
I just like you guys you suck. That's what he's like

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The three out of four people enjoying this conversation. Yeah, you know what?
I'm gonna start out with George sucks the most look at least we're not having a fucking bland ass opinion with nothing
I give you guys don't accept my reasons different. No, no his explanation is I hate horror movie. Why cuz they
Give you a list of six. Well, I think the biggest bullshit is that I think for Isaac if it has suspense

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It's no longer
Once he notices it's a different genre. He's like, oh, no, it's not a horror movie
I genuinely am trying this whole time to think of a movie that has no suspense that is a horror movie
That's not possible because how do you build the scare with suspense? Like you have to have suspense to build the scare
And that's what makes it a cheap movie

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You're gonna fucking die on this hill, but and I hope that's like you're wrong
I know what he agrees with you. It's like saying I hate war movies cuz they always have guns like yeah
War doesn't always have guns. That's what makes it a horrible movie
Why can't you just respect my opinion? Yeah, I respect your opinion
I wait you wait, do you just say I respect your opinion?
Hey, I can shoot on you, but I respect it. That's two different things

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I don't know. It's similar with the whole horror thing. Oh man. You just don't see it and that's fucking crazy
Wow, that's crazy, but you know what?
I'm still horror movies are fun. And now you know, I want to see a good horror movie with you guys
You know what in the spirit of Halloween? I hope we release this episode early in October
Recommend some more movies. Yeah, we're gonna keep trying to watch those movies

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Yeah, the next horror movie we're gonna watch hocus pocus to
With his rule was watching shut up one with this
We're gonna kick off a series of horror films that we are probably gonna enjoy and Isaac is just gonna I'm gonna shit on him
So fucking hard on I'm like and that's gonna be fun to watch
I'm gonna watch here just cut out all of Isaac the whole thing. This is gonna be I it's Isaac's birthday month

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But it's also his worst month. Yeah, it's just horror movies every week
I think I need a bad guy and Isaac likes to play the bad guy sometimes. I know he does
I don't like to I just need to then that's the crazy party
That's his outlet is is yelling at people beating the bad guy. So he doesn't know the horror movie
Yeah, actually, I think Gator is secretly fucking all these horror characters. Like he's Jason. He's fucking

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How many people that's why he hates them he's just like how are those he doesn't want want people to know dude
And now he just goes lurks and start killing people. Yeah. He says he loves watching people. I do
That's one of my favorite past times. I like I like making up stories for them in my head. It's crazy. See something
It was fun doing this kind of episode format because it's you know

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We're just finally just discussing a genre versus specific film
And I think I think we should do this a little bit more off by it without Isaac cuz he has nothing to offer
When he came to war I had a free for all this episode, but I kind of like it
I agree with you. I think that Gator so my suggestion again search
Guys on a hill what watch nobody's gonna listen. Oh watch it be super popular

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But anyways, it's fun. If you guys have any good horror recommendations send it our way
Through letterbox through our email Instagram tick tock wherever I still have the reward for whoever sends us an email first or a DM
Yeah, we haven't got that but thanks for listening guys and remember. It's four guys one one