What happens when we allow catchy slogans and fear-based rhetoric to shape our understanding of diversity and inclusion? Rauel and Antowan tackle this question head-on as they dissect the troubling misconceptions surrounding DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) policies in America.
The duo doesn't shy away from uncomfortable truths, examining how phrases like "We Will Die by DEI" manipulate emotions and bypass critical thinking. They highlight alarming Federal data showing white men still earn 33% more than Black men performing identical jobs—a depressing level of improvement from the 47% gap in 1969, and stark evidence that systemic inequalities persist despite progress.
This conversation goes beyond political talking points to examine the spiritual and ethical dimensions of justice. Antowan powerfully notes that "unbalanced scales are an abomination to God," challenging listeners who claim religious values while opposing policies that help the vulnerable. Meanwhile, Rauel calls for Americans to "be a Daniel"—standing firmly for what's right even when facing tremendous opposition.
The hosts create a rare space where complex issues around race, economics, and faith intersect without descending into partisan bickering. They argue that the true division in America isn't between races or political parties but between the privileged and disadvantaged—a perspective that challenges listeners across the political spectrum.
Whether you're confused by DEI debates, concerned about America's future, or simply seeking thoughtful conversation in a polarized time, this episode offers clarity, compassion, and a challenge to examine both facts and values. Join the conversation at www.forsauk.com and become part of a community committed to honest dialogue about our shared future.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Let's have it.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, let's
have it.
Let's have it on a spit andwe're going to turn that sucker
around on the old rotisserie andit's going to come up being so
fried and yummy that we are allgoing to just want to get in on
this meal and to the meal todayserved by chef raul labrash
(00:27):
actually raul like raul, but youknow, when you're saying chef
before it, you kind of have tofancy up the first name a little
bit raul francois labrash.
Oui, and my cohort in crime andculinary delights, mr, mr.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Antoine Hallman Sr.
And of course you know,depending on who you're talking
to, my name is spelled so manydifferent ways and I guess it's
of a French descent, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, yeah, my dad was an Antoine, you know, and
Antoine Antoine depends on whoyou're talking to right Right.
The French is supposed to beA-N-T-O-I-N-E.
So the story goes that GrandpaLaBrush was at the Department of
Records in Menominee Michigan,trying to explain.
You know what's his first nameAntoine, antoine.
(01:15):
So how do you spell that?
A-n-t-o-i-n-e.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, I got the South Side Chicago spelling spelling.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
there you go, antoine , yeah yeah, every time I do the
spell check on like the thetext to typing thing for the
show, I always have to go on andchange it from a-t-o-i-n-e to
a-t-w-o-a-n.
You know, antoine, man, antoine, oh, how much simpler can we
get it for you?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I know people like to hang on that O in my name too,
it's just Antoine.
People like Antoine, yeah,antoine.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I think that sounds like cool.
Here's my friend Antoine, Iknow right, people hang.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
They carry that, o yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
one.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Who's the comedians that do the thing where the
substitute teacher is in andhe's going through the roster
and he says A-A-Ron, so it'slike a double A-A-Ron, or Aaron.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
So it's like A-A-Ron Key and Peele.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, key and Peele, so I've got a couple of friends
that are Aarons and I'm alwayslike A-A-Ron, so how are you
doing so?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
but anyway, how you doing, man.
Hey, man, all is well.
Man, uh just uh just excitedabout continuing our
conversation from last week anduh just uh again just bringing
the awareness, uh, just uhtrying to create a safe space
for people to come in, uh, justuh share their opinions and
their thoughts and and justreally just uh try to dispel any
(02:43):
missing disinformation that'sout there.
And really, man, just upliftpeople Amen, educate, amen, yeah
.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Well, and for those of you that haven't listened to
last week's episode, actually itwould be two weeks ago now, but
I've got to tell you, dudes,ladies, gentlemen, whatever you
want to call yourself number one, what's going on in your life
that you don't have time tolisten to the first episode.
And number two, to get you alittle filled in, we started on
(03:11):
the diversity, equity andinclusion topic, which has
really gotten turned into just afarce by folks that you've
probably heard things like weWill Die by DEI.
We Will Die by DEI, and that'sa really catchy slogan, don't
(03:34):
you think?
And it made me think of a songthat I used to know really well
by a guy named Michael W Smith,and he had a song called Wired
for Sound.
That got released back in 1986.
And the chorus of it is word ofmouth is the counselor, there
(03:56):
is no need for proof.
In a world that's wired forsound, the tongue becomes a
mighty sword that battles thetruth.
In a world that's wired forsound, wisdom from the sacred
page is turned and ignored.
In a world that's wired forsound and you know the lord's
(04:20):
just so good at bringing thingsback that you know have been
part of our lives over time andthat song, that lyric, just
speaks to me volumes about whatis going on.
You know we were talking alittle bit before we started on
that.
You know, when you have anorganization and a group of
people that can use things likethey're eating the dogs, it has
nothing to do with the realityof what they're saying.
(04:43):
Whether it's happening or notis irrelevant.
What it's doing is evoking anemotional response immediately.
Because if you're going to hatesomebody, if you're going to
turn someone into an enemy, ifyou can correlate them with
eating dogs, wow, that'spowerful.
And if you can get people tonot question, even when there
(05:03):
are reporters that are sayingwe've talked with the chief of
police, we've talked with themayor of the city, there's no
evidence that that took place,it doesn't matter, because by
that point the damage is alreadydone to the folks that hate
immigrants, that feel threatenedby immigrants.
They're already equating yeah,but I bet some of them are
eating dogs.
I bet they are.
So that process that using thatwired for sound tidbit of
(05:30):
they're eating the dogs, getspeople to disengage their brain
and just let it go straightthrough to their amygdala, the
animal part that's you knowfight, flight or you know fawn,
and that's what.
That's where we're.
We're missing the boat.
I think honestly on a lot ofthis when we're talking about
dei.
When people are turning it intoa slogan of you were going to
(05:50):
die by dei, I would say wait aminute.
Wait a minute.
You're talking.
Wait a minute.
You're di.
You're talking about diversity,equity and inclusion.
Right, that's the acronym thatyou're you're talking about,
right?
I don't know, what it stands for.
Yeah, actually, diversity,equity and inclusion are what
those policies were all about.
Oh yeah, so white guys can'tget jobs, right?
Um, no, no, white guys stillget plenty of jobs.
(06:14):
I don't know if you've noticedthat when you go around to
various businesses, there's alot of white people working at
those jobs.
So not about them not gettingjobs.
It's about other people thathave a hard time getting jobs,
having an opportunity to getjobs, like women, like black
people, hispanic people.
Yeah, those are people that areincluded in that diversity,
(06:34):
equity and inclusion, but what'swrong with that?
These are people that need jobstoo.
Well, they're getting a jobbecause they're less competent
than a white guy that should getthe job.
Who do you know that's happenedto?
Where are the people thatdidn't get a job because they
were more competent, thatsomeone got a job over them
(06:54):
simply because they were blackand someone wanted to fill a
checkbox on their quota listingwhen?
Where did that happen, please,can you?
Let's investigate that, becauseI don't think that happens.
But if there is something wherea person that has the
opportunity and the ability, theskill level to be hired, race,
(07:15):
should not be a reason forprohibiting them from getting a
job and, frankly, folks, it hasbeen a reason for excluding them
.
There have been plenty of yearswhere people had signs up that
say people of color need notapply.
That's a real thing.
That's a real thing.
That has happened.
So do we want to try to be thatcountry again?
(07:37):
Is that what this is all about?
Are we trying to get back to bethe country that had those
signs?
And it was okay to make thosesigns, because white guys need
to have jobs?
Man, man, white guys, theyought to get the jobs first.
I I thought people that neededjobs should get jobs.
I thought people that arewilling to work hard for a job
should get jobs.
Isn't, isn't that what itshould be about?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
regardless.
Well, and and again, it just uh, that age-old uh tactic, uh,
you know, it's been going on forcenturies.
You know, that whitereplacement theory thing that
reverse racism.
Of course, you know, let's just, when people try to demonize
DEI, they just try to take awayfrom the actual purpose of it,
you know.
And of course they want todismiss it as some kind of
(08:20):
radical behavior or some kind ofweird or strange ideology.
And notice, I say ideology isthey try to dismiss DEI as an
ideology if they're trying todistort the purpose of it versus
understanding and acknowledgingwhat DEI actually is it's a
framework to correct thehistorical and systemic, you
(08:40):
know, injustice.
And of course now they say, oh,dei is a threat to the
merit-based system ortraditional values.
But actually, you know, whenthey mischaracterize it that way
, you know, again, they'retrying to ignite fear, you know.
And then of course, there isthis classic scapegoating, you
know, you know everything thatgoes wrong, like for the last
(09:01):
couple years, you know, leadingup to this election, and even
just shortly past, like we weretalking about.
You know, the plane crash andthe wildfires in California.
You know, of course, dei wasresponsible.
Dei was responsible, you know,and it just again just trying to
minimize the accomplishmentsand the accomplishments as well
as the.
You know what we, what peopleof color, actually do in the
(09:22):
culture.
You know, and this is where youknow what we, what people of
color, actually do in theculture.
You know, and this is where youknow we as people.
We, you know black, white,whatever you are we have to
stand up to this misinformationcampaign and, of course, like
when you know, depending on whothey're talking to, when they're
talking about DEI as thisboogeyman or this reverse racism
(09:46):
, it's woke, it's criticalracism.
When they start to spread anddo these things, it becomes in
the eyes of the beholder, itbecomes real, it becomes fair
because, you know conservatives,they'll claim that DEI promotes
hiring based on identity versusmerit.
And of course, it's like, andit's funny because now, even
when we start to hear that, oh,everything is based on merit
(10:09):
after a 400 plus year head start, now we want to base it on
merit.
No, dei is to say, hey, let'skind of take a look back, let's
even the playing ground, let'sacknowledge the systemic and
systematic things that havehappened in this country that
have put people of color at analmost a permanent disadvantage,
and let's correct this.
(10:30):
And but of course you know thesefalse narratives and these
things about you know, oh, whitepeople can't get jobs.
It's like I don't see it.
There's always jobs, like whenyou go down to, like, say,
alabama, and you know placeslike that.
I don't see who's picking thosewatermelon, you know.
You go down to Georgia who'spicking those peaches, you know
when you go down to Floridawho's picking those oranges.
(10:51):
It ain't too many.
You know, if you, if you, ifyou say you can't get a job, uh,
you ain't looking hard enough,you know.
But again, this tactic, it justuh, it's, it's, it's just a
baseline for all theundercurrent things that are
going on.
You know we talk about, youknow, just like the road, like
(11:12):
this whole attack on DEI, butunderneath there is the rollback
of civil rights and voting actsand the voting rights acts and
all these different thingstrying to, you know, trying to
get rid of the 14th Amendment,trying to take away birthright
citizenship.
It's all these, thisgaslighting of DEI is just a
(11:32):
voice, it's theatrics, you know,it's playing to a group of
people, you know.
And of course, like the sadpart is, I just figure it's a
master class in manipulation,because if people actually
really just slow down, took alook and if they even care to,
let's just start there, becausea lot of people don't even care
to know about.
(11:53):
They don't care to know whatanother person's struggle is or
care to know what anotherperson's plight is.
They don't care to know.
But just, even with that, it'sjust getting to get into that
place of understanding and theywant to take that away because
again, like we're trying towhitewash history, say, oh,
slavery was, you know theywanted it.
(12:13):
And it's like no, you know.
And then, of course, justminimizing and taking away the
contributions of people of colorin this country.
Then you say I can't get a job,I can't get a job.
No, that's not true.
There's jobs everywhere, youknow.
If you, if you, if you want ajob, you can get a job, you know
.
But again, it's just uh whenthey try to demonize DEI in this
(12:33):
way.
It's hurtful, it's shameful,you know.
And then again it's just uh,it's blame shifting as well, you
know.
When we talk about blameshifting, you know, of course,
like when you point out aproblem, you become the issue.
So we ignore the problem andstart to attack you.
(12:54):
And so that's where all thisdeflection and projection and
this manipulation starts to takeplace.
And if we are, if we don't openour eyes and ears, a lot of the
Bible tells us many, even evenGod's elect, will be deceived.
And we see in a lot of peoplebeing deceived by a lot of
rhetoric, in all these theatrics, and it's like oh, look at this
(13:16):
, Look at my right hand, andwhat, never mind what my left
hand is doing, and it's allthese different things and it's
like but we just saw over thispast weekend, you know when.
It's like when these stocks andwhen these tariffs came out,
and all these different thingslike, oh, because a lot of
people was like, oh, that onlywas supposed to attack them this
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and that and the other.
But it's like you got tounderstand if you ain't making a
certain amount of money, you're, you fall, whether you're a
white male, you know, living inrural wherever, if you're not
making an X amount of dollars,you fit into the DEI class too.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
What I don't get.
Yeah, we've talked about thathow many times.
Right, the differences betweenpeople in this world are not
between whites and blacks or,you know, democrats and
Republicans.
It's between the haves and thehave-nots.
And, like it or not, in thiscountry, you know and this
speaks to the whole issue ofwhite fragility we, as white
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folk, we do not understand atall what it is like to be a
black man in this country.
We don't.
There's just no way we can say,oh, I have all kinds of black
friends.
I consider myself so blessed tohave Antoine in my life and his
wife Ramona.
If you think he's on fire, youshould meet Ramona, boy.
She's like whoo that womancomes in.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
You.
You know god has come in theroom right, you just know it.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
So so we are, we are becoming such.
I I'm hoping I'm gonna speakfor you, antoine, antoine, with
an antoine um, hoping I'mspeaking for you, but, um, we
become good friends and and itit continues to amaze me what
God is doing in us through ourfriendship.
(15:08):
And yet I still do not have anyidea what it is like to be a
black man in America.
I can't experience because I'mnot that person.
I don't have to deal with whathe deals with on a daily basis.
When people look at him andimmediately say, oh, there's a
black guy, I mean, you know, Iguess I deal with some of it.
When they look at me and sayI'm a white guy, especially, I
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guess, if I was on the southside of Chicago.
Maybe I don't know, but it'snot the same.
So I say all that because weneed to somehow come up with a
way of looking at reality thatdoesn't threaten us but
emboldens us to make change,because when we get caught up in
the well, there are plenty ofwhite, black guys, but there's
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white guys that blah, blah, blah.
You're missing the point.
The point is not whether or notyou know a guy got a good deal
or a bad deal because we werewhite or black.
The point is that a guy got abad deal because he's just not
the right side of the fence, youknow.
He just doesn't have enoughmoney to be able to fight it and
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we're all victims of that.
So why don't we join togetheragainst that and do something
about it?
And I point to just some databecause I like data.
You know people have all kindsof opinions, but data is really
important.
And one of the things I justcalled up off the Federal
Reserve Bank of St Louis.
So if somebody wants to say, oh, this is, you know, skewed data
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or whatnot, go right ahead.
But it's just Federal ReserveBank of St Louis and they don't
have a whole lot to gain byputting these kinds of numbers
out there.
But they put a survey togetherthat showed the white and black
wage gaps that grew orstabilized after declining
periods of time in an economyAmong white men and adult white
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women and adult black women.
The disparity between thosefolks in 1989 was projected to
be somewhere in the neighborhoodof five percent-ish.
The real discrepancy betweenthose groups of people was
almost 30 percent.
So people didn't think it wasthat bad, but in reality, it was
(17:17):
pretty bad.
So we take it all the way upnow to 2022, and that disparity,
after all that had been done,that was.
You know, there were really, Ithink, pretty, pretty good
efforts.
I mean, people were trying toget diversity, equity and
inclusion policies enacted, yada, yada right.
Even after all that time, stillin 2022, the projected to be
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about 10%, but they were stillat like 21%.
So, and now what's going tohappen now since 2022?
With adult black men and adultwhite men.
Oh, now it gets really fun,okay, in 1969, before any of the
diversity DEI stuff happened,they projected that the
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difference was really only about7%.
That's what they projected.
In reality, the numbers lookedmore like 47% disparity.
So that means an average whiteguy doing the same job as an
average black guy, they're goingto get 47% more for doing that
job than a black guy doing thesame job.
(18:26):
You want to talk about feeling,you know, mad.
That's a pretty good reason tofeel mad All the way now to 2022
.
So that's 1969.
We take it all the way to 2022.
Again, the perceived differencewas very low.
You know, maybe 7%.
That's predicted.
That's the difference betweenthem them because you know we're
much more enlightened now.
(18:46):
Right, yeah, maybe got a littlebetter, but the real difference
was more like 33%.
So still, they're making 33%more just by being a white guy
than a black guy doing the samejob.
So sit back please.
Somebody out there, please tellme You're a white guy and you
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got a job and you're gettingpaid 33% more than a black guy
doing the same job.
Feel good about that.
Isn't that kind of like aparticipation award when you're
on a baseball team and you neverhit the ball once in your life.
But you come to practices everyweek and you try, but you just
can't play baseball.
And you get a participationaward.
(19:29):
That drives some people.
I know nuts.
You get a participation awardfor showing up to work.
No, that's part of theexpectation You're coming to
work.
So put it in that frame ofreference, shall we?
You really think that there's adisparity going on here?
There is, and the disparity hasbeen on the white side of the
equation, and it's bad enoughthat the disparity is there.
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But then the people that havethe puppet strings, that are
pulling it all are making youthink you, white guy, they're
making you think that yourproblem is not what they're
doing up there pulling thosestrings.
It's this black guy who, rightout of the gates, is going to
make 33% less than you do fordoing the same job.
So that to me is like that oldthing that remember I don't know
(20:13):
if they ever said this in yourcircles, antoine how the
Christian army is the only armythat actually shoots its wounded
.
That's what we're being led todo, folks.
We're shooting our wounded.
We got people that are justtrying to get ahead, and when
you go to a mall.
(20:33):
I went to a mall not too longago in Madison and there was
this I don't know, probably20-something, maybe early
30-something big black guycleaning the floors and whatnot
you know all the food area.
And I'm thinking to myself.
I want to go up and just saythanks so much for you know
cleaning up after all us folks.
(20:55):
I really appreciate it.
And shame on me.
I was like he's going to thinkI'm like the weirdest white dude
ever in the entire world thatI'm just pointing it out.
No, I wanted to point outsomething to say.
These are people that areworking in thankless jobs, jobs.
You know whether there arepeople outside our door here
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this summer when it was ahundred and something in the
shade digging holes for fiberoptic cable to be lied put in
for a huge you know com companyfor four guys four latinx guys
digging a hole.
That's the kind of jobs thatpeople are getting.
And now we're attacking thosesame people.
The IRS is sharing informationwith INS so they can find people
(21:37):
that are paying taxes.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
They're paying taxes.
And this is the part because alot of those jobs are paying 20
plus dollars an hour and it'slike you had every opportunity
to apply for the job.
And again, just thedemonization of DEI.
You know, people want to sayDEI is not about handing out
unearned opportunities, but it'sjust acknowledging and
recognizing that we all don'tstart from the same place.
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The reality is that America hasnever been an even playing
ground, right, it has never beenlevel, you know.
But DEI, you know it aims tokind of create one.
You know, by creating thesekind of structures, kind of
structures it tried to elevate,recognize the diverse voices.
Of course, when we talk aboutpeople of color in academics,
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entrepreneurship, science,medicine, art, whatever, it goes
unnoticed, it goes uncelebrated.
And again we see thewhitewashing of history as they
try to move towards themerit-based system.
Now, after a 400-plus year headstart, and it's just like we
have to learn to embraceinclusion and equity, because
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that's what is going to makethis country grow.
And even over this past week ofnews, you know, just because a
person fits a certain stature, awhite male doesn't know.
I hate to say this, but youknow, the best In the United
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States presidency, the best mandidn't get the job, the best man
or woman didn't get the job,and of course, that's where we
are.
But again, it's just like whenyou create this boogeyman, you
invoke fear and you do all thesethings to shift the mind, and
again, there's a bunch ofpsychological tactics at play
(23:28):
here that I wish people wouldreally open their eyes to,
because it's just scary.
How to just me looking like,wow, these people have really,
you know, bit this apple andbelieve this.
And it's like, and even a lotof them don't believe it, but
they say you know what, instanding up with my friends or
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in I believe, certain, I thinkAmerica should be this way
They'll fight for something thatthey don't necessarily believe
in.
But it's just, this is a scarytime, you know, and of course,
we have to defend and advanceDEI in this terrible climate of
resistance.
You know, we got to reject thefalse narratives that try to
demonize it.
We got to educate ourselves andothers about the true purpose
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of diversity, equity andinclusion, and it starts with
sharing accurate information.
Schools, workforces, churches,social media activists,
educators, leaders.
We need to be more bold incalling out racist rhetoric
connecting the dots between DEIand systemic oppression.
Because again, this barking onthe top level of things, there
(24:33):
is so much going on underneath,like the defunding of HBCUs, the
defunding of the NAACP, everything that advances people of
color is being defunded.
Of course, even with the partsof USAID actually benefited the
farmers and other people in theUnited States itself.
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But they took it away with theintent of hurting someone else,
not realizing that it's hurtingthemselves.
And then again that's a hardissue.
Right there You'll cut off yourown foot to spite someone else.
But again we got to just haveto really just start calling
these things out.
You know we can no longer besilent about these things.
(25:16):
You know, of course we got tosupport policies, we got to
support leaders who defendaffirmative action, inclusive
hiring, equitable funding andmarginal for people that are
marginalized.
You know, of course this goesback to the Homestead Act, it
goes back to steering andredlining.
No, these challenges we have tomeet them head on and voting
the right people in.
And again, I like how oneRepublican said this.
(25:38):
He was like he didn't like whatwas happening in his party, the
party of old.
He was like we're going to haveto lose a few cycles for this
thing to get right.
But again people are hanging onfor whiteness, for their dear
life, because again they'veinvoked this.
Such a fear of, oh, our race isgoing to be tainted, oh, this
(26:01):
is that and the other, and it'slike no, this is.
It's about loving people, plainand simple.
You know, of course, you know,when we talk about, you know, a
lot of these people claimthey're Christian.
You know, they say all thesedifferent kinds of things but
they are not following the word.
You know, like Deuteronomy 10,19 says you must love the
foreigner, for you wereforeigners in the land of Egypt,
(26:22):
we.
And then, of course, you know,and it's just like you know,
again, people, same people, thatsays, hey, uh, I, I'm a
Christian, I'm a Christian, I'ma Christian.
It's like, ok, are you?
Are you reading God's word?
Are you truly reading God'sword?
Because you know, no,unbalanced scales are an
(26:43):
abomination to God.
Uneven playing fields are anabomination to him.
When you stack the deck againstanother, that's, that's an
abomination to him.
Deck against another, that's anabomination to him.
When you lie about another race,like the deportation of all
these Latin American people,it's just targeted, it's all, to
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invoke fear.
They don't want these peoplespeaking out.
They don't want them votingthey don't want them.
It's just, again, it's aboutprotecting their ideology of
what america's supposed to looklike.
Because, as you're removing allthese people of color out of
the country, but yet you'regiving visas to white south
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africans and if you noticesomething about, uh, that
particular movement, they'rewhite south af South Africans
are coming into this country.
They're getting legalized inall other countries of the world
, and then, of course, you see,people are like well, why does
President Trump want to takeGreenland?
Because there is his perceivedlevel of whiteness.
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It's a lot of whiteness overthere.
Let's just call it what it is.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Well, they have a lot of gemstones too, so there's
some money being made inGreenland.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Exactly and again.
But it's like all these things,you know, it's like there's so
many undercurrent things happenbelow the surface of this, this
DEI argument, and, of course,again, you scapegoat DEI to
really take away from what'sreally going.
Instead of addressing the issue, you want to scapegoat it or
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demonize it, you want to deflectand project.
And this is where we, asAmericans, we just have to say
hey, I'm going to make aconcentrated effort to learn
more about other people, I'mgoing to make a concentrated
effort to learn civics, thebasic functions of government,
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all these different things.
Because people don't realize.
They're like oh yeah, we wantto cut government spending.
It's like, no, what he's doing,he's taking all the safeguards
out of the way so he can do whathe want to do.
The people, like all theinspector generals, fired them
all because those are the guysthat keep things in place, you
know.
And, of course, when you removeall the safeguards, you can
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deregulate.
Because, again, if you thinkabout what this does, you know
we ain't gonna be able to knowwhat's in our food.
Fda, cdc, all thoseorganizations we're not.
Yep, uh, we're your favoritefishing hole somewhere in the
country or in the state.
You ain't going to be able tofish there no more, because
there's going to be stuffgetting dumped in it because the
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deregulating of these differententities and again we have to
really just take a step back andsay, hey, dei is not bad is
again.
United States has never been afair, equal level playing ground
and there has been 400 plusyears of evidence that shows
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that.
You know, there has beensystemic and systematic things
in place to keep differentpeople below and.
But now, as DEI calls thesethings out, it's being demonized
.
So just I just encourage peopleto just say, hey, I want to
learn more, go.
Just like I watch a lot ofdifferent, like there's a couple
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of podcasts I really like towatch.
You know, I don't know if youever heard of the defiant
lawyers.
You know these two lawyers.
They are African-Americanlawyers.
One of them, he's a strong manof God and he equates the
current things to scripture andI love how he does that and
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that's one of my news sources.
And of course, again, whenwe're talking about news sources
, of course a lot of the thingsthat I was mentioning previously
.
You know you ain't going to seethem on mainstream news.
You're not going to see them onMSNBC, cnn, fox, newsmax and
all these other stations.
So I look to, like RolandMartin, I look to, you know,
(30:47):
brian Tyler Cohen, I look toplaces like that to really get
some news.
Like I said, I watch Fox News, Iwatch Newsmax to see what's
being said, because in today Ihate to say it, you know, but
it's almost like you have toprepare an argument or prepare
your factual statements todispel what's being said.
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You know, and that's where weare Cause, like you know, in in
the Christian realm, you know,we always encourage people to
read their Bible, study yourBible, pray, you know, of course
.
And then there is one pastortold me this.
He was like it's important formen and women of God to really
know the Bible, because whenwe're talking like cause, the
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Bible tells us hey, don't debatewith a fool, because people
from afar won't know who thefool is.
But when we come up againstcertain things, right, you know,
like this pastor, he told me hewas like the atheist is always
ready for the Christian, but theChristian is not always ready
for the atheist, meaning that ifyou're in a space where there's
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a maybe even a level tone,sensible conversation, the
atheist will appear to be right,because we're not ready, we are
not educated, we're not studiedup, we're not prayed up, we're
not strengthened applies in thisrealm.
You know, when we just you know, because people are taking
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missing disinformation as gospel.
They're not researching forthemselves, they're not feeding
themselves, they're not doingthe basic thing, and you know,
and we just have to learn todefend ourselves and our future.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
No, of course, again, it's going to take all of us
course, again, it's going totake all of us one decide why we
believe it.
I, I just, uh, I'm on a kickfor lyrics today.
For some reason, I I also.
There's an artist, uh, it'sinteresting because michael w
smith and stephen curse chapmanwere two artists christian
artists that I got hooked on toearly, when ann and I were first
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dating and then got married orwhatnot, so those two have stuck
with me.
I just watched a Michael WSmith video with the guys that
have King Country, so it was socool to see.
You know, here he is in his 60s, like I am, with these two
young 30-somethings singing oneof his songs that you know is my
Place in this World is the nameof the tune.
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But it made me go back andlisten to some other stuff.
And Stephen Curtis Chapman putout a song a couple years ago
called In Living Color, and it'sabout a relationship he had
with a kid back when he wasearly.
He said whatever happened toCarlton Bell, my best friend, in
the seventh grade we played oursnare drum side by side in the
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middle school marching bandDisney parade, raised our money
to ride the bus to Orlando,knocking on doors up and down
the street selling those bars ofthe world's finest chocolate
and splitting every third onebetween him and me.
So you get it.
You got to know who thisrelationship right.
Everybody's hopefully had afriend like that.
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I know I did.
And then the chorus is.
And his skin was black and myskin was white and the sky was
blue and the future was brightand our blood ran red in both
our veins and we were bothlooking at the world and living
color and he talks.
This whole song is kind ofabout.
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You know their relationship andhow.
In high school he moved away.
They lost track of each other.
He finally looked them up againwhen they got older and he did
a little research.
I found his picture.
I recognized his smileimmediately.
He moved out west raising kids,working in a factory.
He moved out west raising kidsworking in a factory, got sick
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and passed away in 2016.
Looking at his face as a grownman got me thinking how
different life can be while somuch stays the same.
His friend said he was a goodman, loved his God and loved his
family.
Did not surprise me that hisgood heart remained, but his
skin was black and my skin waswhite.
Oh, wait, wait, sorry his skinwas black and I wonder if my
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friend felt judged and afraid inways that I've never been, and
it weighs heavy on my heart.
But then I think of where he isnow in living color.
Well, I know these things areall way more complicated.
So much is broken beyond fixing, it can seem, and, if I'm
honest, I'm scared to even writeand sing this song.
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I don't want to somehow say thewrong thing, but I was thinking
, maybe if I told our story,maybe I could help someone
remember and believe thatthere's a lot of goodness and
wonder left in this broken world, just like there was back then
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for Carlton and me.
That's the power.
That's the power, ladies andgentlemen.
That's the power that we have.
It's the relationships that wehave with other people that
teach us that we're all in thesame battle together, trying to
hold it together, trying toraise our families, trying to
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make sure that maybe my son whojust got engaged, and make sure
that I leave the world maybelittle better place and that
he's prepared to fight for evena better place.
But who do we want to be,america?
Who do we want to be?
Do we want to be the peoplethat go back to colored section
in restaurants, because that'swhere we're heading.
You don't think we're headingthere.
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You ain't watching the news oryou need to watch more of it and
get in touch with what's goingon.
Is that who we want to be?
Or we want to be the place thatsays you know what.
I don't care what color yourskin is.
That doesn't.
That couldn't matter less to me.
I want to know the quality ofyour character.
I want to know that your yesmeans yes and your no means no.
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I want to know that you knowhow to love people.
I want to know that you knowhow to admit when you're wrong.
And I'll tell you, that's thething I see so little of in our
leadership today.
When's the last time you heardPresident Donald Trump say I was
wrong about that, even when hebacked off on tariffs?
If he would have said you knowwhat I know, I think tariffs are
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a really good thing, I thinkthey're a powerful tool, but I
think I maybe got a little crazywith them I would have so much
more respect for him than justwhat he does now, which is and
if you read his book the Art ofthe Deal, he was taught never,
ever, ever, ever, admit you werewrong.
Ever, don't, ever do that.
And to me, everybody here knowsthose people in your life that
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never admit that they're wrong.
Yeah, I think of them asassholes.
Huh, they're just.
Oh, don't talk to that guy.
He's an asshole because he'snever wrong.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
I think we got a new T-shirt coming, man MAGA, our
version of MAGA.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Make A blanks go away .
I'll say it for you Makeassholes go away.
Doesn't that have a ring to it?
He can't say he's a preacher,but I can say make assholes go
away.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
I think we need to coin that right away.
That's ours.
Anybody out there listening?
That's ours.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Drink java.
That makes assholes go away.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Eat my celery.
It makes assholes go away.
So you know, eat my issue.
It also creates resentmentamongst people and that's what
they want to do.
And that's where we have to saywait a minute.
That does it, because a lot ofpeople know right from wrong.
I'm giving every the world thebenefit of the doubt.
In some cases they know rightfrom wrong, but it's just a lot
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of times again, people don'twant to admit.
No, they say like when a persontells me that they they don't
agree with trump, but they agreewith his policy, I'm like are
you kidding me?
Yeah, you know, really, are you?
Are you serious?
You know?
Are you for losing between 16and 40 000 in your 401k over the
last week?
Are you really for that?
Speaker 2 (39:15):
I had 150,000 in front of my work.
For me, You're okay with that.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Are you really for your parents?
your grandparents or even yourSSI being taken away.
Are you really for that?
And again, it's like it's just.
It's just.
I have to just believe that.
I have to trust in God'sjustice here.
I really I have to trust in hisjustice.
I have to remember how we weretalking a couple of weeks ago.
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Like we have to, we have tofight, but we have to fight from
the right heart.
Posture Cause again, if we repayevil with evil, no, nothing
good has come of it.
And of course, like say, youknow, one person throws a blow,
we throw a blow.
That'll go on for years.
But if we step out of the wayand let God throw the blow, it's
a once and for all kind ofthing.
And so that's why I encouragepeople.
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Hey, you know, like I wastalking with some people the
other day and I was like, hey,we have to us.
Forgiving people does not excusetheir sin or their wrongdoing.
It releases us from the prisonof resentment and bitterness.
And when we are released fromthe prison of resentment and
bitterness, we have a peace.
And God's power can onlyoperate in the peace, because if
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we're chaos for chaos, we can'thear God, we can't hear him,
his Holy Spirit ain't flowingthrough us, because our heart is
not in the right posture andwhen we can actually take a step
back and say, hey, okay, god,lord, jesus, you see what's
going on.
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You know he told us that theweapons of our warfare are not
carnal, but mighty, through God,to the pulling down the
strongholds we have.
You know, we as Christians firsthave to understand that this
whole thing is spiritual.
We have to understand that inEphesians 6, starting around
verse 10, he talks about whatwe're up against.
And if you take a step back andlook, he says we do not wrestle
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against flesh and blood, butagainst principalities, rulers
of darkness of this age,spiritual wickedness in heavenly
place.
If you look at these things,people read their Bible, they'll
see what we're up against.
And this thing goes beyond DEI.
This is a spiritual issue.
But like that scripture, I justread Deuteronomy 10, 19.
(41:28):
He says, hey, love theforeigners in your land.
And when we are, it's like myheart goes out to that young man
that was is a few people, thatwere two people that I'm aware
of, one hairdresser and then thegentleman in DC, but also now
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they're trying to deport thatstudent from Columbia.
You, this thing that we'reseeing has been going on since
the beginning of time.
This is racial, this is racism,this is white supremacy, this
is white ring conservatism.
And it's no tiptoeing ordancing around it and and again.
(42:19):
It's just like when, again,they don't want to demonize the
promotion of equity, diversity,equity, inclusion, and that's
where people I just want peopleto open their eyes I just say,
hey, take a step back.
If you're a christian, youbetter be in your Bible right
now.
You know, as I say this and I'mgoing to try to end, but when
we summarize Matthew 25, when hestarted talking about the
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separation of the sheep and thegoat, right, he says you know,
whatever I'm going to summarizeit he says whatever you did or
did not do for the least of thebrethren, you did it or didn't
do it for me.
That's Jesus talking here.
You know, like if you fed themwhen they were hungry, you gave
them drink when they werethirsty, you visited them in
prison, but if you didn't dothose things, you did it for me
(43:02):
or you didn't do it for me.
And this is where you know whenmy sword is up against some of
these churches.
I just I call it what it isBecause you know they're
preaching and teaching.
Did you see the KennethCopeland thing where he said the
devil is black?
No, did you see that video?
(43:22):
No, go and look it up.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Oh nice, I taped him anyway so that's good.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
He said the devil is black.
And then it's like you know,there's a, and again it's him,
the Andrew Womack's and a coupleof other people in the world
that they support this anti-DEI,they support this stuff, and
but yet they say they are menand women of God and so, but God
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says in his word you can't sayyou love God and hate people.
That's first John 4, 20 and 21.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
You know, I think of that old saying look who's
calling the kettle black.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Well, look who's calling the devil black huh and
just go find that clip man.
It's kind of dishearteningbecause in my young walk, you
know, kenneth Copeland was oneof those shows I would watch on
Daystar.
But I stopped watching Day starbecause of some some of the
nonsense that was going on overthere and but yeah, just.
I remember seeing him onTrinity, Trinity.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Broadcasting Network.
Yeah, and I didn't like himfrom the beginning.
He was a prosperity preacher.
I never liked prosperitypreachers.
It just it's too easy and I,you know it's one of those
things where you know, it's oneof those things where you know,
honestly, just never sent rightand praise God for my wife
because she saw through itfaster than any of us did.
That you know when you're, whenyou're praying, that you know.
Yeah, of course God wants allsorts of wonderful things for us
(44:49):
, but they're not necessarilypromised to us in this world.
Okay, number one and number two, if that's what you're hanging
on to, is that God's blessingsare dependent upon what he gives
me and allows me to have interms of worldly goods.
That's kind of a shallowunderstanding of what really God
is about, because there aremuch deeper blessings that God
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will and does give us, becausehe's not interested in our
comfort, he's interested in ourcharacter.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
So I think at this time that we're we are in.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
we are in Babylon right now, folks, we're in
Babylon.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
We're marching ourselves toward Babylon, right,
I mean we're just okay, where'sit going?
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Oh, it's that way, president Trump is that way,
let's go, you know and that'swhy I just, I get so like we
need Daniels.
Be a Daniel.
Be a Daniel right now, you know.
Be someone that stands up andit's going to do what's right,
that you know is willing to bethrown into the lion's den and
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come out the next morningunscathed.
And the guy that threw you inthere gets thrown in and he
becomes an hors d'oeuvre.
Be a Daniel.
Be a Daniel who walks into afurnace with his three friends
and, you know, comes outunscathed, even though when the
door to the furnace was open,the guy that opened the door
became, you know, smithereensright away.
Be a Daniel.
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Be the person that stands.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
You hit the nail on the head there, brother.
It's like with the three Hebrewboys.
We need more of that, you know.
Of course, it's like, yeah,we're not going to bow to your
God, you know, and they did itwith all due respect to.
It's like, with all due respect, king, we can't do that.
And then it's like, hey, youknow.
And the thing is they were likehey, if our God deliver us, you
know which we believe he will.
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You know, even if he doesn't,we still don't believe to the
end.
And that's me.
They're going to hang on.
We need to hang on to what weknow is right, to the very end,
regardless of what we're beingtold.
No, of course, and it's likewe're seeing one thing and
hearing another, and that's aclassic, that's the classic
(46:51):
Stump peach towards thisadministration.
I must say one thing, becauseit's no good in public, but
behind, in actuality.
This is what I'm doing andpeople, I can't be the only one
in the world seeing this.
I just can't be and and so.
But it's like, when are peoplegoing to say you know what your
words and actions got to line up?
(47:11):
You know, it's like either behot or be cold, be one way or
the other.
But you know, you know, stopplaying games, and you know so.
But either way, man I'm justI'll tell you, we just need to
go, need to pray, we need tostudy, we need to read, we need
to educate, we need to beinformed and we need to act.
You know, like last weekend,with the hands off thing Uh huh,
(47:34):
it had no, everyone wassticking up for their particular
issue, but, you know, a lot ofthose folks still say they'll
still vote for Trump.
And that's where it's like OK,you know, you know.
And that's where it's like OK,you know, like in all these
different states where you know,like the abortion rights
legislation would pass on thestate, but you'll still vote for
the person in office that'sgoing to try to circumvent that
(47:58):
law that you just passed.
And so it's just really peoplejust being informed, man, and
start being brave enough to goagainst the grain, to go against
the neighborhood, to go againstthe church, to go against the
family.
You know, of course, what didJesus say?
Speaker 2 (48:15):
He said hey.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
I came to bring division amongst, you know, the
family.
That's what it's going to beand I'll pull that scripture up
next week.
But this thing is not going tobe peachy, you know.
But I want to be on the rightside of history on this one, and
I encourage other people to beon the right side of history as
well.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Please, please.
Yeah, there's.
Maybe this can be a topic fortalking to at some point, but
I'll tell you the.
The thing that I have to keeppraying about myself is um,
there was a a some sort of awhite evangelical community uh,
(48:55):
convention congress thing.
I forgot I to look it up, but Ibelieve it was in Florida and
it was during the electionprocess, during the campaign
process, and Trump's standing upbefore this group of people and
saying, oh my Christians, Ilove my Christians, just vote
for me one more time and youwon't have to vote anymore.
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And I don't know if people justlike heard it and then didn't
hear it or thought, oh, he'sjust joking, but it makes me
think we may not have time untilthe 2026 elections, folks.
It may just be that might be acarrot that's lured to make us
think we can wait until then,but be aware that that third
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term.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
There's a plan that third term Nugget has been
dropped.
I was just joking, I was justjoking.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
I mean, he was on Fox News and interviewed about you
know, would you run again in2028?
He said no, no, I don't want torun in 2028.
Okay, well, now all of a suddenhe's gotten ways that he could
do it.
I don't know.
I mean, maybe I have toultimately say God, it's in your
hands.
I want to pray your will bedone.
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Help me see what I need to doin your plan.
Help me to understand my partin your plan, not your part in
my plan.
What's Lincoln saying to thegenerals of both sides of this
great conflict of ours?
Say that God is on their side.
My only prayer is that I am onGod's side and that's where we
(50:32):
need to be on God's side,whether you believe in God or
believe God is love or God isfeel free, but God is God.
We are not, and we eitherbelieve that this is part of the
process and we need to play ourpart with passion and fury and
(50:53):
whatever it takes.
But, yeah, I pray for you,brother.
Pray that we have the courageto stand up and do what's right
according to the word yeah, youknow we just keep doing what
we're doing in the same time inthese discussions.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
please know, folks, that this is not just us
bantering and going back andforth and trying to just point
the finger at someone.
We're also trying to create asafe space for a person to come
and say hey, ask a question oreven feel free to disagree.
You know, but just you know,this is a safe space, you know,
to come and share your thoughts,and we love to hear them
(51:34):
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Speaker 2 (51:44):
So it's a one-stop shopping kind of place.
If you want to just hearconversations and, like I said,
contribute to the conversation,please don't contribute to the
hate.
There's a lot of hate going on.
Rather not have hate.
But if you've got seriousconcerns, questions, things
you're afraid of, save space,share those, be vulnerable, be
humble in saying I don't haveall the answers, because we'll
(52:07):
be the first people to admit wedon't have all the answers, but
we want to talk about thequestions.
So right, yep, live in a placewhere you still can do that, so
let's keep it that way.
Yay, okay, yep, live in a placewhere you still can do that, so
let's keep it that way.
Yay, so okay.
And with that being said, myname is Raul Francis Desiel
Labrache, otherwise known asChef Labrache.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
What did you say?
That was Desiel.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Oh, that's yeah, that's my family's name, desiel
or Delgel, depending on where.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
We were actually delgale de labrash, which
apparently means they're calledlabrash, so I don't know what.
What that was all about,something, something.
One of my great, great, great,great, great, great, great,
great great grandfathers did so.
Uh, I wasn't there.
Um, anyways, and uh, and youare, sir, I remember you
someplace where we met.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
Antoine Hallman Sr, that's right.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
Is that Antoine, with an N at the end of it?
Is that that kind of?
Speaker 1 (53:03):
Antoine, antoine, antoine, no long N.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
With a long N You've got the short N Gotcha Until
next time.
Everyone thanks for listening.
Be safe, Be healthy, Amen.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
Amen.
Let's have it.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, let's
have it.
Let's have it on a spit andwe're going to turn that sucker
around on the old rotisserie andit's going to come up being so
fried and yummy that we are allgoing to just want to get in on
this meal and to the meal todayserved by chef raul labrash
(00:27):
actually raul like raul, but youknow, when you're saying chef
before it, you kind of have tofancy up the first name a little
bit raul francois labrash.
Oui, and my cohort in crime andculinary delights, mr, mr.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Antoine Hallman Sr.
And of course you know,depending on who you're talking
to, my name is spelled so manydifferent ways and I guess it's
of a French descent, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yeah, yeah, my dad was an Antoine, you know, and
Antoine Antoine depends on whoyou're talking to right Right.
The French is supposed to beA-N-T-O-I-N-E.
So the story goes that GrandpaLaBrush was at the Department of
Records in Menominee Michigan,trying to explain.
You know what's his first nameAntoine, antoine.
(01:15):
So how do you spell that?
A-n-t-o-i-n-e.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, I got the South Side Chicago spelling spelling.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
there you go, antoine , yeah yeah, every time I do the
spell check on like the thetext to typing thing for the
show, I always have to go on andchange it from a-t-o-i-n-e to
a-t-w-o-a-n.
You know, antoine, man, antoine, oh, how much simpler can we
get it for you?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I know people like to hang on that O in my name too,
it's just Antoine.
People like Antoine, yeah,antoine.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I think that sounds like cool.
Here's my friend Antoine, Iknow right, people hang.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
They carry that, o yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
one.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Who's the comedians that do the thing where the
substitute teacher is in andhe's going through the roster
and he says A-A-Ron, so it'slike a double A-A-Ron, or Aaron.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
So it's like A-A-Ron Key and Peele.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, key and Peele, so I've got a couple of friends
that are Aarons and I'm alwayslike A-A-Ron, so how are you
doing so?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
but anyway, how you doing, man.
Hey, man, all is well.
Man, uh just uh just excitedabout continuing our
conversation from last week anduh just uh again just bringing
the awareness, uh, just uhtrying to create a safe space
for people to come in, uh, justuh share their opinions and
their thoughts and and justreally just uh try to dispel any
(02:43):
missing disinformation that'sout there.
And really, man, just upliftpeople Amen, educate, amen, yeah
.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Well, and for those of you that haven't listened to
last week's episode, actually itwould be two weeks ago now, but
I've got to tell you, dudes,ladies, gentlemen, whatever you
want to call yourself number one, what's going on in your life
that you don't have time tolisten to the first episode.
And number two, to get you alittle filled in, we started on
(03:11):
the diversity, equity andinclusion topic, which has
really gotten turned into just afarce by folks that you've
probably heard things like weWill Die by DEI.
We Will Die by DEI, and that'sa really catchy slogan, don't
(03:34):
you think?
And it made me think of a songthat I used to know really well
by a guy named Michael W Smith,and he had a song called Wired
for Sound.
That got released back in 1986.
And the chorus of it is word ofmouth is the counselor, there
(03:56):
is no need for proof.
In a world that's wired forsound, the tongue becomes a
mighty sword that battles thetruth.
In a world that's wired forsound, wisdom from the sacred
page is turned and ignored.
In a world that's wired forsound and you know the lord's
(04:20):
just so good at bringing thingsback that you know have been
part of our lives over time andthat song, that lyric, just
speaks to me volumes about whatis going on.
You know we were talking alittle bit before we started on
that.
You know, when you have anorganization and a group of
people that can use things likethey're eating the dogs, it has
nothing to do with the realityof what they're saying.
(04:43):
Whether it's happening or notis irrelevant.
What it's doing is evoking anemotional response immediately.
Because if you're going to hatesomebody, if you're going to
turn someone into an enemy, ifyou can correlate them with
eating dogs, wow, that'spowerful.
And if you can get people tonot question, even when there
(05:03):
are reporters that are sayingwe've talked with the chief of
police, we've talked with themayor of the city, there's no
evidence that that took place,it doesn't matter, because by
that point the damage is alreadydone to the folks that hate
immigrants, that feel threatenedby immigrants.
They're already equating yeah,but I bet some of them are
eating dogs.
I bet they are.
So that process that using thatwired for sound tidbit of
(05:30):
they're eating the dogs, getspeople to disengage their brain
and just let it go straightthrough to their amygdala, the
animal part that's you knowfight, flight or you know fawn,
and that's what.
That's where we're.
We're missing the boat.
I think honestly on a lot ofthis when we're talking about
dei.
When people are turning it intoa slogan of you were going to
(05:50):
die by dei, I would say wait aminute.
Wait a minute.
You're talking.
Wait a minute.
You're di.
You're talking about diversity,equity and inclusion.
Right, that's the acronym thatyou're you're talking about,
right?
I don't know, what it stands for.
Yeah, actually, diversity,equity and inclusion are what
those policies were all about.
Oh yeah, so white guys can'tget jobs, right?
Um, no, no, white guys stillget plenty of jobs.
(06:14):
I don't know if you've noticedthat when you go around to
various businesses, there's alot of white people working at
those jobs.
So not about them not gettingjobs.
It's about other people thathave a hard time getting jobs,
having an opportunity to getjobs, like women, like black
people, hispanic people.
Yeah, those are people that areincluded in that diversity,
(06:34):
equity and inclusion, but what'swrong with that?
These are people that need jobstoo.
Well, they're getting a jobbecause they're less competent
than a white guy that should getthe job.
Who do you know that's happenedto?
Where are the people thatdidn't get a job because they
were more competent, thatsomeone got a job over them
(06:54):
simply because they were blackand someone wanted to fill a
checkbox on their quota listingwhen?
Where did that happen, please,can you?
Let's investigate that, becauseI don't think that happens.
But if there is something wherea person that has the
opportunity and the ability, theskill level to be hired, race,
(07:15):
should not be a reason forprohibiting them from getting a
job and, frankly, folks, it hasbeen a reason for excluding them
.
There have been plenty of yearswhere people had signs up that
say people of color need notapply.
That's a real thing.
That's a real thing.
That has happened.
So do we want to try to be thatcountry again?
(07:37):
Is that what this is all about?
Are we trying to get back to bethe country that had those
signs?
And it was okay to make thosesigns, because white guys need
to have jobs?
Man, man, white guys, theyought to get the jobs first.
I I thought people that neededjobs should get jobs.
I thought people that arewilling to work hard for a job
should get jobs.
Isn't, isn't that what itshould be about?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
regardless.
Well, and and again, it just uh, that age-old uh tactic, uh,
you know, it's been going on forcenturies.
You know, that whitereplacement theory thing that
reverse racism.
Of course, you know, let's just, when people try to demonize
DEI, they just try to take awayfrom the actual purpose of it,
you know.
And of course they want todismiss it as some kind of
(08:20):
radical behavior or some kind ofweird or strange ideology.
And notice, I say ideology isthey try to dismiss DEI as an
ideology if they're trying todistort the purpose of it versus
understanding and acknowledgingwhat DEI actually is it's a
framework to correct thehistorical and systemic, you
(08:40):
know, injustice.
And of course now they say, oh,dei is a threat to the
merit-based system ortraditional values.
But actually, you know, whenthey mischaracterize it that way
, you know, again, they'retrying to ignite fear, you know.
And then of course, there isthis classic scapegoating, you
know, you know everything thatgoes wrong, like for the last
(09:01):
couple years, you know, leadingup to this election, and even
just shortly past, like we weretalking about.
You know, the plane crash andthe wildfires in California.
You know, of course, dei wasresponsible.
Dei was responsible, you know,and it just again just trying to
minimize the accomplishmentsand the accomplishments as well
as the.
You know what we, what peopleof color, actually do in the
(09:22):
culture.
You know, and this is where youknow what we, what people of
color, actually do in theculture.
You know, and this is where youknow we as people.
We, you know black, white,whatever you are we have to
stand up to this misinformationcampaign and, of course, like
when you know, depending on whothey're talking to, when they're
talking about DEI as thisboogeyman or this reverse racism
(09:46):
, it's woke, it's criticalracism.
When they start to spread anddo these things, it becomes in
the eyes of the beholder, itbecomes real, it becomes fair
because, you know conservatives,they'll claim that DEI promotes
hiring based on identity versusmerit.
And of course, it's like, andit's funny because now, even
when we start to hear that, oh,everything is based on merit
(10:09):
after a 400 plus year head start, now we want to base it on
merit.
No, dei is to say, hey, let'skind of take a look back, let's
even the playing ground, let'sacknowledge the systemic and
systematic things that havehappened in this country that
have put people of color at analmost a permanent disadvantage,
and let's correct this.
(10:30):
And but of course you know thesefalse narratives and these
things about you know, oh, whitepeople can't get jobs.
It's like I don't see it.
There's always jobs, like whenyou go down to, like, say,
alabama, and you know placeslike that.
I don't see who's picking thosewatermelon, you know.
You go down to Georgia who'spicking those peaches, you know
when you go down to Floridawho's picking those oranges.
(10:51):
It ain't too many.
You know, if you, if you, ifyou say you can't get a job, uh,
you ain't looking hard enough,you know.
But again, this tactic, it justuh, it's, it's, it's just a
baseline for all theundercurrent things that are
going on.
You know we talk about, youknow, just like the road, like
(11:12):
this whole attack on DEI, butunderneath there is the rollback
of civil rights and voting actsand the voting rights acts and
all these different thingstrying to, you know, trying to
get rid of the 14th Amendment,trying to take away birthright
citizenship.
It's all these, thisgaslighting of DEI is just a
(11:32):
voice, it's theatrics, you know,it's playing to a group of
people, you know.
And of course, like the sadpart is, I just figure it's a
master class in manipulation,because if people actually
really just slow down, took alook and if they even care to,
let's just start there, becausea lot of people don't even care
to know about.
(11:53):
They don't care to know whatanother person's struggle is or
care to know what anotherperson's plight is.
They don't care to know.
But just, even with that, it'sjust getting to get into that
place of understanding and theywant to take that away because
again, like we're trying towhitewash history, say, oh,
slavery was, you know theywanted it.
(12:13):
And it's like no, you know.
And then, of course, justminimizing and taking away the
contributions of people of colorin this country.
Then you say I can't get a job,I can't get a job.
No, that's not true.
There's jobs everywhere, youknow.
If you, if you, if you want ajob, you can get a job, you know
.
But again, it's just uh whenthey try to demonize DEI in this
(12:33):
way.
It's hurtful, it's shameful,you know.
And then again it's just uh,it's blame shifting as well, you
know.
When we talk about blameshifting, you know, of course,
like when you point out aproblem, you become the issue.
So we ignore the problem andstart to attack you.
(12:54):
And so that's where all thisdeflection and projection and
this manipulation starts to takeplace.
And if we are, if we don't openour eyes and ears, a lot of the
Bible tells us many, even evenGod's elect, will be deceived.
And we see in a lot of peoplebeing deceived by a lot of
rhetoric, in all these theatrics, and it's like oh, look at this
(13:16):
, Look at my right hand, andwhat, never mind what my left
hand is doing, and it's allthese different things and it's
like but we just saw over thispast weekend, you know when.
It's like when these stocks andwhen these tariffs came out,
and all these different thingslike, oh, because a lot of
people was like, oh, that onlywas supposed to attack them this
(13:43):
and that and the other.
But it's like you got tounderstand if you ain't making a
certain amount of money, you're, you fall, whether you're a
white male, you know, living inrural wherever, if you're not
making an X amount of dollars,you fit into the DEI class too.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
What I don't get.
Yeah, we've talked about thathow many times.
Right, the differences betweenpeople in this world are not
between whites and blacks or,you know, democrats and
Republicans.
It's between the haves and thehave-nots.
And, like it or not, in thiscountry, you know and this
speaks to the whole issue ofwhite fragility we, as white
(14:19):
folk, we do not understand atall what it is like to be a
black man in this country.
We don't.
There's just no way we can say,oh, I have all kinds of black
friends.
I consider myself so blessed tohave Antoine in my life and his
wife Ramona.
If you think he's on fire, youshould meet Ramona, boy.
She's like whoo that womancomes in.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
You.
You know god has come in theroom right, you just know it.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
So so we are, we are becoming such.
I I'm hoping I'm gonna speakfor you, antoine, antoine, with
an antoine um, hoping I'mspeaking for you, but, um, we
become good friends and and itit continues to amaze me what
God is doing in us through ourfriendship.
(15:08):
And yet I still do not have anyidea what it is like to be a
black man in America.
I can't experience because I'mnot that person.
I don't have to deal with whathe deals with on a daily basis.
When people look at him andimmediately say, oh, there's a
black guy, I mean, you know, Iguess I deal with some of it.
When they look at me and sayI'm a white guy, especially, I
(15:29):
guess, if I was on the southside of Chicago.
Maybe I don't know, but it'snot the same.
So I say all that because weneed to somehow come up with a
way of looking at reality thatdoesn't threaten us but
emboldens us to make change,because when we get caught up in
the well, there are plenty ofwhite, black guys, but there's
(15:51):
white guys that blah, blah, blah.
You're missing the point.
The point is not whether or notyou know a guy got a good deal
or a bad deal because we werewhite or black.
The point is that a guy got abad deal because he's just not
the right side of the fence, youknow.
He just doesn't have enoughmoney to be able to fight it and
(16:12):
we're all victims of that.
So why don't we join togetheragainst that and do something
about it?
And I point to just some databecause I like data.
You know people have all kindsof opinions, but data is really
important.
And one of the things I justcalled up off the Federal
Reserve Bank of St Louis.
So if somebody wants to say, oh, this is, you know, skewed data
(16:33):
or whatnot, go right ahead.
But it's just Federal ReserveBank of St Louis and they don't
have a whole lot to gain byputting these kinds of numbers
out there.
But they put a survey togetherthat showed the white and black
wage gaps that grew orstabilized after declining
periods of time in an economyAmong white men and adult white
(16:56):
women and adult black women.
The disparity between thosefolks in 1989 was projected to
be somewhere in the neighborhoodof five percent-ish.
The real discrepancy betweenthose groups of people was
almost 30 percent.
So people didn't think it wasthat bad, but in reality, it was
(17:17):
pretty bad.
So we take it all the way upnow to 2022, and that disparity,
after all that had been done,that was.
You know, there were really, Ithink, pretty, pretty good
efforts.
I mean, people were trying toget diversity, equity and
inclusion policies enacted, yada, yada right.
Even after all that time, stillin 2022, the projected to be
(17:42):
about 10%, but they were stillat like 21%.
So, and now what's going tohappen now since 2022?
With adult black men and adultwhite men.
Oh, now it gets really fun,okay, in 1969, before any of the
diversity DEI stuff happened,they projected that the
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difference was really only about7%.
That's what they projected.
In reality, the numbers lookedmore like 47% disparity.
So that means an average whiteguy doing the same job as an
average black guy, they're goingto get 47% more for doing that
job than a black guy doing thesame job.
(18:26):
You want to talk about feeling,you know, mad.
That's a pretty good reason tofeel mad All the way now to 2022
.
So that's 1969.
We take it all the way to 2022.
Again, the perceived differencewas very low.
You know, maybe 7%.
That's predicted.
That's the difference betweenthem them because you know we're
much more enlightened now.
(18:46):
Right, yeah, maybe got a littlebetter, but the real difference
was more like 33%.
So still, they're making 33%more just by being a white guy
than a black guy doing the samejob.
So sit back please.
Somebody out there, please tellme You're a white guy and you
(19:07):
got a job and you're gettingpaid 33% more than a black guy
doing the same job.
Feel good about that.
Isn't that kind of like aparticipation award when you're
on a baseball team and you neverhit the ball once in your life.
But you come to practices everyweek and you try, but you just
can't play baseball.
And you get a participationaward.
(19:29):
That drives some people.
I know nuts.
You get a participation awardfor showing up to work.
No, that's part of theexpectation You're coming to
work.
So put it in that frame ofreference, shall we?
You really think that there's adisparity going on here?
There is, and the disparity hasbeen on the white side of the
equation, and it's bad enoughthat the disparity is there.
(19:51):
But then the people that havethe puppet strings, that are
pulling it all are making youthink you, white guy, they're
making you think that yourproblem is not what they're
doing up there pulling thosestrings.
It's this black guy who, rightout of the gates, is going to
make 33% less than you do fordoing the same job.
So that to me is like that oldthing that remember I don't know
(20:13):
if they ever said this in yourcircles, antoine how the
Christian army is the only armythat actually shoots its wounded
.
That's what we're being led todo, folks.
We're shooting our wounded.
We got people that are justtrying to get ahead, and when
you go to a mall.
(20:33):
I went to a mall not too longago in Madison and there was
this I don't know, probably20-something, maybe early
30-something big black guycleaning the floors and whatnot
you know all the food area.
And I'm thinking to myself.
I want to go up and just saythanks so much for you know
cleaning up after all us folks.
(20:55):
I really appreciate it.
And shame on me.
I was like he's going to thinkI'm like the weirdest white dude
ever in the entire world thatI'm just pointing it out.
No, I wanted to point outsomething to say.
These are people that areworking in thankless jobs, jobs.
You know whether there arepeople outside our door here
(21:16):
this summer when it was ahundred and something in the
shade digging holes for fiberoptic cable to be lied put in
for a huge you know com companyfor four guys four latinx guys
digging a hole.
That's the kind of jobs thatpeople are getting.
And now we're attacking thosesame people.
The IRS is sharing informationwith INS so they can find people
(21:37):
that are paying taxes.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
They're paying taxes.
And this is the part because alot of those jobs are paying 20
plus dollars an hour and it'slike you had every opportunity
to apply for the job.
And again, just thedemonization of DEI.
You know, people want to sayDEI is not about handing out
unearned opportunities, but it'sjust acknowledging and
recognizing that we all don'tstart from the same place.
(22:00):
The reality is that America hasnever been an even playing
ground, right, it has never beenlevel, you know.
But DEI, you know it aims tokind of create one.
You know, by creating thesekind of structures, kind of
structures it tried to elevate,recognize the diverse voices.
Of course, when we talk aboutpeople of color in academics,
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entrepreneurship, science,medicine, art, whatever, it goes
unnoticed, it goes uncelebrated.
And again we see thewhitewashing of history as they
try to move towards themerit-based system.
Now, after a 400-plus year headstart, and it's just like we
have to learn to embraceinclusion and equity, because
(22:43):
that's what is going to makethis country grow.
And even over this past week ofnews, you know, just because a
person fits a certain stature, awhite male doesn't know.
I hate to say this, but youknow, the best In the United
(23:06):
States presidency, the best mandidn't get the job, the best man
or woman didn't get the job,and of course, that's where we
are.
But again, it's just like whenyou create this boogeyman, you
invoke fear and you do all thesethings to shift the mind, and
again, there's a bunch ofpsychological tactics at play
(23:28):
here that I wish people wouldreally open their eyes to,
because it's just scary.
How to just me looking like,wow, these people have really,
you know, bit this apple andbelieve this.
And it's like, and even a lotof them don't believe it, but
they say you know what, instanding up with my friends or
(23:50):
in I believe, certain, I thinkAmerica should be this way
They'll fight for something thatthey don't necessarily believe
in.
But it's just, this is a scarytime, you know, and of course,
we have to defend and advanceDEI in this terrible climate of
resistance.
You know, we got to reject thefalse narratives that try to
demonize it.
We got to educate ourselves andothers about the true purpose
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of diversity, equity andinclusion, and it starts with
sharing accurate information.
Schools, workforces, churches,social media activists,
educators, leaders.
We need to be more bold incalling out racist rhetoric
connecting the dots between DEIand systemic oppression.
Because again, this barking onthe top level of things, there
(24:33):
is so much going on underneath,like the defunding of HBCUs, the
defunding of the NAACP, everything that advances people of
color is being defunded.
Of course, even with the partsof USAID actually benefited the
farmers and other people in theUnited States itself.
(24:55):
But they took it away with theintent of hurting someone else,
not realizing that it's hurtingthemselves.
And then again that's a hardissue.
Right there You'll cut off yourown foot to spite someone else.
But again we got to just haveto really just start calling
these things out.
You know we can no longer besilent about these things.
(25:16):
You know, of course we got tosupport policies, we got to
support leaders who defendaffirmative action, inclusive
hiring, equitable funding andmarginal for people that are
marginalized.
You know, of course this goesback to the Homestead Act, it
goes back to steering andredlining.
No, these challenges we have tomeet them head on and voting
the right people in.
And again, I like how oneRepublican said this.
(25:38):
He was like he didn't like whatwas happening in his party, the
party of old.
He was like we're going to haveto lose a few cycles for this
thing to get right.
But again people are hanging onfor whiteness, for their dear
life, because again they'veinvoked this.
Such a fear of, oh, our race isgoing to be tainted, oh, this
(26:01):
is that and the other, and it'slike no, this is.
It's about loving people, plainand simple.
You know, of course, you know,when we talk about, you know, a
lot of these people claimthey're Christian.
You know, they say all thesedifferent kinds of things but
they are not following the word.
You know, like Deuteronomy 10,19 says you must love the
foreigner, for you wereforeigners in the land of Egypt,
(26:22):
we.
And then, of course, you know,and it's just like you know,
again, people, same people, thatsays, hey, uh, I, I'm a
Christian, I'm a Christian, I'ma Christian.
It's like, ok, are you?
Are you reading God's word?
Are you truly reading God'sword?
Because you know, no,unbalanced scales are an
(26:43):
abomination to God.
Uneven playing fields are anabomination to him.
When you stack the deck againstanother, that's, that's an
abomination to him.
Deck against another, that's anabomination to him.
When you lie about another race,like the deportation of all
these Latin American people,it's just targeted, it's all, to
(27:04):
invoke fear.
They don't want these peoplespeaking out.
They don't want them votingthey don't want them.
It's just, again, it's aboutprotecting their ideology of
what america's supposed to looklike.
Because, as you're removing allthese people of color out of
the country, but yet you'regiving visas to white south
(27:26):
africans and if you noticesomething about, uh, that
particular movement, they'rewhite south af South Africans
are coming into this country.
They're getting legalized inall other countries of the world
, and then, of course, you see,people are like well, why does
President Trump want to takeGreenland?
Because there is his perceivedlevel of whiteness.
(27:47):
It's a lot of whiteness overthere.
Let's just call it what it is.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Well, they have a lot of gemstones too, so there's
some money being made inGreenland.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Exactly and again.
But it's like all these things,you know, it's like there's so
many undercurrent things happenbelow the surface of this, this
DEI argument, and, of course,again, you scapegoat DEI to
really take away from what'sreally going.
Instead of addressing the issue, you want to scapegoat it or
(28:19):
demonize it, you want to deflectand project.
And this is where we, asAmericans, we just have to say
hey, I'm going to make aconcentrated effort to learn
more about other people, I'mgoing to make a concentrated
effort to learn civics, thebasic functions of government,
(28:40):
all these different things.
Because people don't realize.
They're like oh yeah, we wantto cut government spending.
It's like, no, what he's doing,he's taking all the safeguards
out of the way so he can do whathe want to do.
The people, like all theinspector generals, fired them
all because those are the guysthat keep things in place, you
know.
And, of course, when you removeall the safeguards, you can
(29:00):
deregulate.
Because, again, if you thinkabout what this does, you know
we ain't gonna be able to knowwhat's in our food.
Fda, cdc, all thoseorganizations we're not.
Yep, uh, we're your favoritefishing hole somewhere in the
country or in the state.
You ain't going to be able tofish there no more, because
there's going to be stuffgetting dumped in it because the
(29:20):
deregulating of these differententities and again we have to
really just take a step back andsay, hey, dei is not bad is
again.
United States has never been afair, equal level playing ground
and there has been 400 plusyears of evidence that shows
(29:41):
that.
You know, there has beensystemic and systematic things
in place to keep differentpeople below and.
But now, as DEI calls thesethings out, it's being demonized
.
So just I just encourage peopleto just say, hey, I want to
learn more, go.
Just like I watch a lot ofdifferent, like there's a couple
(30:03):
of podcasts I really like towatch.
You know, I don't know if youever heard of the defiant
lawyers.
You know these two lawyers.
They are African-Americanlawyers.
One of them, he's a strong manof God and he equates the
current things to scripture andI love how he does that and
(30:25):
that's one of my news sources.
And of course, again, whenwe're talking about news sources
, of course a lot of the thingsthat I was mentioning previously
.
You know you ain't going to seethem on mainstream news.
You're not going to see them onMSNBC, cnn, fox, newsmax and
all these other stations.
So I look to, like RolandMartin, I look to, you know,
(30:47):
brian Tyler Cohen, I look toplaces like that to really get
some news.
Like I said, I watch Fox News, Iwatch Newsmax to see what's
being said, because in today Ihate to say it, you know, but
it's almost like you have toprepare an argument or prepare
your factual statements todispel what's being said.
(31:09):
You know, and that's where weare Cause, like you know, in in
the Christian realm, you know,we always encourage people to
read their Bible, study yourBible, pray, you know, of course
.
And then there is one pastortold me this.
He was like it's important formen and women of God to really
know the Bible, because whenwe're talking like cause, the
(31:31):
Bible tells us hey, don't debatewith a fool, because people
from afar won't know who thefool is.
But when we come up againstcertain things, right, you know,
like this pastor, he told me hewas like the atheist is always
ready for the Christian, but theChristian is not always ready
for the atheist, meaning that ifyou're in a space where there's
(31:54):
a maybe even a level tone,sensible conversation, the
atheist will appear to be right,because we're not ready, we are
not educated, we're not studiedup, we're not prayed up, we're
not strengthened applies in thisrealm.
You know, when we just you know, because people are taking
(32:15):
missing disinformation as gospel.
They're not researching forthemselves, they're not feeding
themselves, they're not doingthe basic thing, and you know,
and we just have to learn todefend ourselves and our future.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
No, of course, again, it's going to take all of us
course, again, it's going totake all of us one decide why we
believe it.
I, I just, uh, I'm on a kickfor lyrics today.
For some reason, I I also.
There's an artist, uh, it'sinteresting because michael w
smith and stephen curse chapmanwere two artists christian
artists that I got hooked on toearly, when ann and I were first
(32:50):
dating and then got married orwhatnot, so those two have stuck
with me.
I just watched a Michael WSmith video with the guys that
have King Country, so it was socool to see.
You know, here he is in his 60s, like I am, with these two
young 30-somethings singing oneof his songs that you know is my
Place in this World is the nameof the tune.
(33:10):
But it made me go back andlisten to some other stuff.
And Stephen Curtis Chapman putout a song a couple years ago
called In Living Color, and it'sabout a relationship he had
with a kid back when he wasearly.
He said whatever happened toCarlton Bell, my best friend, in
the seventh grade we played oursnare drum side by side in the
(33:32):
middle school marching bandDisney parade, raised our money
to ride the bus to Orlando,knocking on doors up and down
the street selling those bars ofthe world's finest chocolate
and splitting every third onebetween him and me.
So you get it.
You got to know who thisrelationship right.
Everybody's hopefully had afriend like that.
(33:54):
I know I did.
And then the chorus is.
And his skin was black and myskin was white and the sky was
blue and the future was brightand our blood ran red in both
our veins and we were bothlooking at the world and living
color and he talks.
This whole song is kind ofabout.
(34:14):
You know their relationship andhow.
In high school he moved away.
They lost track of each other.
He finally looked them up againwhen they got older and he did
a little research.
I found his picture.
I recognized his smileimmediately.
He moved out west raising kids,working in a factory.
He moved out west raising kidsworking in a factory, got sick
(34:37):
and passed away in 2016.
Looking at his face as a grownman got me thinking how
different life can be while somuch stays the same.
His friend said he was a goodman, loved his God and loved his
family.
Did not surprise me that hisgood heart remained, but his
skin was black and my skin waswhite.
Oh, wait, wait, sorry his skinwas black and I wonder if my
(34:59):
friend felt judged and afraid inways that I've never been, and
it weighs heavy on my heart.
But then I think of where he isnow in living color.
Well, I know these things areall way more complicated.
So much is broken beyond fixing, it can seem, and, if I'm
honest, I'm scared to even writeand sing this song.
(35:22):
I don't want to somehow say thewrong thing, but I was thinking
, maybe if I told our story,maybe I could help someone
remember and believe thatthere's a lot of goodness and
wonder left in this broken world, just like there was back then
(35:43):
for Carlton and me.
That's the power.
That's the power, ladies andgentlemen.
That's the power that we have.
It's the relationships that wehave with other people that
teach us that we're all in thesame battle together, trying to
hold it together, trying toraise our families, trying to
(36:04):
make sure that maybe my son whojust got engaged, and make sure
that I leave the world maybelittle better place and that
he's prepared to fight for evena better place.
But who do we want to be,america?
Who do we want to be?
Do we want to be the peoplethat go back to colored section
in restaurants, because that'swhere we're heading.
You don't think we're headingthere.
(36:26):
You ain't watching the news oryou need to watch more of it and
get in touch with what's goingon.
Is that who we want to be?
Or we want to be the place thatsays you know what.
I don't care what color yourskin is.
That doesn't.
That couldn't matter less to me.
I want to know the quality ofyour character.
I want to know that your yesmeans yes and your no means no.
(36:46):
I want to know that you knowhow to love people.
I want to know that you knowhow to admit when you're wrong.
And I'll tell you, that's thething I see so little of in our
leadership today.
When's the last time you heardPresident Donald Trump say I was
wrong about that, even when hebacked off on tariffs?
If he would have said you knowwhat I know, I think tariffs are
(37:10):
a really good thing, I thinkthey're a powerful tool, but I
think I maybe got a little crazywith them I would have so much
more respect for him than justwhat he does now, which is and
if you read his book the Art ofthe Deal, he was taught never,
ever, ever, ever, admit you werewrong.
Ever, don't, ever do that.
And to me, everybody here knowsthose people in your life that
(37:32):
never admit that they're wrong.
Yeah, I think of them asassholes.
Huh, they're just.
Oh, don't talk to that guy.
He's an asshole because he'snever wrong.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
I think we got a new T-shirt coming, man MAGA, our
version of MAGA.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Make A blanks go away .
I'll say it for you Makeassholes go away.
Doesn't that have a ring to it?
He can't say he's a preacher,but I can say make assholes go
away.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
I think we need to coin that right away.
That's ours.
Anybody out there listening?
That's ours.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Drink java.
That makes assholes go away.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Eat my celery.
It makes assholes go away.
So you know, eat my issue.
It also creates resentmentamongst people and that's what
they want to do.
And that's where we have to saywait a minute.
That does it, because a lot ofpeople know right from wrong.
I'm giving every the world thebenefit of the doubt.
In some cases they know rightfrom wrong, but it's just a lot
(38:55):
of times again, people don'twant to admit.
No, they say like when a persontells me that they they don't
agree with trump, but they agreewith his policy, I'm like are
you kidding me?
Yeah, you know, really, are you?
Are you serious?
You know?
Are you for losing between 16and 40 000 in your 401k over the
last week?
Are you really for that?
Speaker 2 (39:15):
I had 150,000 in front of my work.
For me, You're okay with that.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Are you really for your parents?
your grandparents or even yourSSI being taken away.
Are you really for that?
And again, it's like it's just.
It's just.
I have to just believe that.
I have to trust in God'sjustice here.
I really I have to trust in hisjustice.
I have to remember how we weretalking a couple of weeks ago.
(39:42):
Like we have to, we have tofight, but we have to fight from
the right heart.
Posture Cause again, if we repayevil with evil, no, nothing
good has come of it.
And of course, like say, youknow, one person throws a blow,
we throw a blow.
That'll go on for years.
But if we step out of the wayand let God throw the blow, it's
a once and for all kind ofthing.
And so that's why I encouragepeople.
(40:03):
Hey, you know, like I wastalking with some people the
other day and I was like, hey,we have to us.
Forgiving people does not excusetheir sin or their wrongdoing.
It releases us from the prisonof resentment and bitterness.
And when we are released fromthe prison of resentment and
bitterness, we have a peace.
And God's power can onlyoperate in the peace, because if
(40:27):
we're chaos for chaos, we can'thear God, we can't hear him,
his Holy Spirit ain't flowingthrough us, because our heart is
not in the right posture andwhen we can actually take a step
back and say, hey, okay, god,lord, jesus, you see what's
going on.
(40:47):
You know he told us that theweapons of our warfare are not
carnal, but mighty, through God,to the pulling down the
strongholds we have.
You know, we as Christians firsthave to understand that this
whole thing is spiritual.
We have to understand that inEphesians 6, starting around
verse 10, he talks about whatwe're up against.
And if you take a step back andlook, he says we do not wrestle
(41:08):
against flesh and blood, butagainst principalities, rulers
of darkness of this age,spiritual wickedness in heavenly
place.
If you look at these things,people read their Bible, they'll
see what we're up against.
And this thing goes beyond DEI.
This is a spiritual issue.
But like that scripture, I justread Deuteronomy 10, 19.
(41:28):
He says, hey, love theforeigners in your land.
And when we are, it's like myheart goes out to that young man
that was is a few people, thatwere two people that I'm aware
of, one hairdresser and then thegentleman in DC, but also now
(41:53):
they're trying to deport thatstudent from Columbia.
You, this thing that we'reseeing has been going on since
the beginning of time.
This is racial, this is racism,this is white supremacy, this
is white ring conservatism.
And it's no tiptoeing ordancing around it and and again.
(42:19):
It's just like when, again,they don't want to demonize the
promotion of equity, diversity,equity, inclusion, and that's
where people I just want peopleto open their eyes I just say,
hey, take a step back.
If you're a christian, youbetter be in your Bible right
now.
You know, as I say this and I'mgoing to try to end, but when
we summarize Matthew 25, when hestarted talking about the
(42:41):
separation of the sheep and thegoat, right, he says you know,
whatever I'm going to summarizeit he says whatever you did or
did not do for the least of thebrethren, you did it or didn't
do it for me.
That's Jesus talking here.
You know, like if you fed themwhen they were hungry, you gave
them drink when they werethirsty, you visited them in
prison, but if you didn't dothose things, you did it for me
(43:02):
or you didn't do it for me.
And this is where you know whenmy sword is up against some of
these churches.
I just I call it what it isBecause you know they're
preaching and teaching.
Did you see the KennethCopeland thing where he said the
devil is black?
No, did you see that video?
(43:22):
No, go and look it up.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Oh nice, I taped him anyway so that's good.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
He said the devil is black.
And then it's like you know,there's a, and again it's him,
the Andrew Womack's and a coupleof other people in the world
that they support this anti-DEI,they support this stuff, and
but yet they say they are menand women of God and so, but God
(43:51):
says in his word you can't sayyou love God and hate people.
That's first John 4, 20 and 21.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
You know, I think of that old saying look who's
calling the kettle black.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Well, look who's calling the devil black huh and
just go find that clip man.
It's kind of dishearteningbecause in my young walk, you
know, kenneth Copeland was oneof those shows I would watch on
Daystar.
But I stopped watching Day starbecause of some some of the
nonsense that was going on overthere and but yeah, just.
I remember seeing him onTrinity, Trinity.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Broadcasting Network.
Yeah, and I didn't like himfrom the beginning.
He was a prosperity preacher.
I never liked prosperitypreachers.
It just it's too easy and I,you know it's one of those
things where you know, it's oneof those things where you know,
honestly, just never sent rightand praise God for my wife
because she saw through itfaster than any of us did.
That you know when you're, whenyou're praying, that you know.
Yeah, of course God wants allsorts of wonderful things for us
(44:49):
, but they're not necessarilypromised to us in this world.
Okay, number one and number two, if that's what you're hanging
on to, is that God's blessingsare dependent upon what he gives
me and allows me to have interms of worldly goods.
That's kind of a shallowunderstanding of what really God
is about, because there aremuch deeper blessings that God
(45:09):
will and does give us, becausehe's not interested in our
comfort, he's interested in ourcharacter.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
So I think at this time that we're we are in.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
we are in Babylon right now, folks, we're in
Babylon.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
We're marching ourselves toward Babylon, right,
I mean we're just okay, where'sit going?
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Oh, it's that way, president Trump is that way,
let's go, you know and that'swhy I just, I get so like we
need Daniels.
Be a Daniel.
Be a Daniel right now, you know.
Be someone that stands up andit's going to do what's right,
that you know is willing to bethrown into the lion's den and
(45:46):
come out the next morningunscathed.
And the guy that threw you inthere gets thrown in and he
becomes an hors d'oeuvre.
Be a Daniel.
Be a Daniel who walks into afurnace with his three friends
and, you know, comes outunscathed, even though when the
door to the furnace was open,the guy that opened the door
became, you know, smithereensright away.
Be a Daniel.
(46:06):
Be the person that stands.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
You hit the nail on the head there, brother.
It's like with the three Hebrewboys.
We need more of that, you know.
Of course, it's like, yeah,we're not going to bow to your
God, you know, and they did itwith all due respect to.
It's like, with all due respect, king, we can't do that.
And then it's like, hey, youknow.
And the thing is they were likehey, if our God deliver us, you
know which we believe he will.
(46:30):
You know, even if he doesn't,we still don't believe to the
end.
And that's me.
They're going to hang on.
We need to hang on to what weknow is right, to the very end,
regardless of what we're beingtold.
No, of course, and it's likewe're seeing one thing and
hearing another, and that's aclassic, that's the classic
(46:51):
Stump peach towards thisadministration.
I must say one thing, becauseit's no good in public, but
behind, in actuality.
This is what I'm doing andpeople, I can't be the only one
in the world seeing this.
I just can't be and and so.
But it's like, when are peoplegoing to say you know what your
words and actions got to line up?
(47:11):
You know, it's like either behot or be cold, be one way or
the other.
But you know, you know, stopplaying games, and you know so.
But either way, man I'm justI'll tell you, we just need to
go, need to pray, we need tostudy, we need to read, we need
to educate, we need to beinformed and we need to act.
You know, like last weekend,with the hands off thing Uh huh,
(47:34):
it had no, everyone wassticking up for their particular
issue, but, you know, a lot ofthose folks still say they'll
still vote for Trump.
And that's where it's like OK,you know, you know.
And that's where it's like OK,you know, like in all these
different states where you know,like the abortion rights
legislation would pass on thestate, but you'll still vote for
the person in office that'sgoing to try to circumvent that
(47:58):
law that you just passed.
And so it's just really peoplejust being informed, man, and
start being brave enough to goagainst the grain, to go against
the neighborhood, to go againstthe church, to go against the
family.
You know, of course, what didJesus say?
Speaker 2 (48:15):
He said hey.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
I came to bring division amongst, you know, the
family.
That's what it's going to beand I'll pull that scripture up
next week.
But this thing is not going tobe peachy, you know.
But I want to be on the rightside of history on this one, and
I encourage other people to beon the right side of history as
well.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Please, please.
Yeah, there's.
Maybe this can be a topic fortalking to at some point, but
I'll tell you the.
The thing that I have to keeppraying about myself is um,
there was a a some sort of awhite evangelical community uh,
(48:55):
convention congress thing.
I forgot I to look it up, but Ibelieve it was in Florida and
it was during the electionprocess, during the campaign
process, and Trump's standing upbefore this group of people and
saying, oh my Christians, Ilove my Christians, just vote
for me one more time and youwon't have to vote anymore.
(49:16):
And I don't know if people justlike heard it and then didn't
hear it or thought, oh, he'sjust joking, but it makes me
think we may not have time untilthe 2026 elections, folks.
It may just be that might be acarrot that's lured to make us
think we can wait until then,but be aware that that third
(49:39):
term.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
There's a plan that third term Nugget has been
dropped.
I was just joking, I was justjoking.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
I mean, he was on Fox News and interviewed about you
know, would you run again in2028?
He said no, no, I don't want torun in 2028.
Okay, well, now all of a suddenhe's gotten ways that he could
do it.
I don't know.
I mean, maybe I have toultimately say God, it's in your
hands.
I want to pray your will bedone.
(50:08):
Help me see what I need to doin your plan.
Help me to understand my partin your plan, not your part in
my plan.
What's Lincoln saying to thegenerals of both sides of this
great conflict of ours?
Say that God is on their side.
My only prayer is that I am onGod's side and that's where we
(50:32):
need to be on God's side,whether you believe in God or
believe God is love or God isfeel free, but God is God.
We are not, and we eitherbelieve that this is part of the
process and we need to play ourpart with passion and fury and
(50:53):
whatever it takes.
But, yeah, I pray for you,brother.
Pray that we have the courageto stand up and do what's right
according to the word yeah, youknow we just keep doing what
we're doing in the same time inthese discussions.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
please know, folks, that this is not just us
bantering and going back andforth and trying to just point
the finger at someone.
We're also trying to create asafe space for a person to come
and say hey, ask a question oreven feel free to disagree.
You know, but just you know,this is a safe space, you know,
to come and share your thoughts,and we love to hear them
(51:34):
www.4Saukcom F-O-R-S-A-U-KcomFrame of reference coming
together and frame of referenceprofiles and leadership.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
So it's a one-stop shopping kind of place.
If you want to just hearconversations and, like I said,
contribute to the conversation,please don't contribute to the
hate.
There's a lot of hate going on.
Rather not have hate.
But if you've got seriousconcerns, questions, things
you're afraid of, save space,share those, be vulnerable, be
humble in saying I don't haveall the answers, because we'll
(52:07):
be the first people to admit wedon't have all the answers, but
we want to talk about thequestions.
So right, yep, live in a placewhere you still can do that, so
let's keep it that way.
Yay, okay, yep, live in a placewhere you still can do that, so
let's keep it that way.
Yay, so okay.
And with that being said, myname is Raul Francis Desiel
Labrache, otherwise known asChef Labrache.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
What did you say?
That was Desiel.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Oh, that's yeah, that's my family's name, desiel
or Delgel, depending on where.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
We were actually delgale de labrash, which
apparently means they're calledlabrash, so I don't know what.
What that was all about,something, something.
One of my great, great, great,great, great, great, great,
great great grandfathers did so.
Uh, I wasn't there.
Um, anyways, and uh, and youare, sir, I remember you
someplace where we met.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
Antoine Hallman Sr, that's right.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
Is that Antoine, with an N at the end of it?
Is that that kind of?
Speaker 1 (53:03):
Antoine, antoine, antoine, no long N.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
With a long N You've got the short N Gotcha Until
next time.
Everyone thanks for listening.
Be safe, Be healthy, Amen.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
Amen.
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