April 20, 2024 • 57 mins
Embark on an enthralling voyage through the cosmos with Tom Paladino, a trailblazer in the field of scalar energy research. This episode promises to unravel the mysteries of a force that permeates our universe, offering insights into an energy form that powers life itself and connects cultures through concepts like chi, prana, and zero-point energy. As we explore these profound principles with Tom, prepare to be captivated by the poetic and artistic threads that unite celestial marvels, the harmonies of classical music, and the timeless verses of the Bible with the fabric of our daily lives.
Delicately woven into this cosmic tapestry is Nikola Tesla's electrifying legacy, his vision of energy transmission, and the technological marvels that sprouted from his genius. We pay homage to Tesla's AC triumph, reflect on his peculiar yet brilliant mind, and dream of a future where scalar energy's boundless potential reshapes our world. This is not just a history lesson; it's a glimpse into the possibilities lying dormant, awaiting rediscovery and application in a world thirsty for clean, infinite power sources.
The episode culminates with a provocative exploration of scalar energy as a universal intelligence, a concept meshing with both ancient wisdom and cutting-edge quantum physics. We challenge traditional scientific paradigms as Tom Paladino shares controversial yet fascinating ideas on scalar energy's ability to transcend the physical, nurturing our curiosity about teleportation and the transmission of nutrients. Our conversation is a clarion call for open minds and hearts to embrace a journey of discovery, where science meets spirituality, and the future is limited only by our imagination.
Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to Frame of Reference informed, intelligent
conversations about the issuesand challenges facing everyone
in today's world.
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reference.
Now here's your host, raoulLabrèche.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Well, welcome everyone to another edition of
Frame of Reference Profiles inLeadership, and tonight is an
opportunity.
This is one of the first timesI've recorded later in the
evening, here in Wisconsin atleast, so with someone that's
even later in the eveningbecause, tom, if I understand
right, you're on Eastern Coasttime, so it's something like
6.30 there, right?
So I appreciate you joining me.
(00:40):
I'm sure this should be a greattime where you could be out
having cocktails with friends ordoing something much more fun
than talking with me.
So I appreciate that you'retaking the time out to do this.
Tom, it's great to meet you,but Tom Palladino is sitting
across from me.
He is an expert in scalarenergy and a researcher in that
in Florida.
(01:00):
Scalar energy is a fundamentallife force found everywhere in
the world, space and universe.
It originates from the sun andstars, the chi, the prana, the
OM, mana, the life force, thepyramid energy, the zero point
energy are synchronous terms forscalar energy.
And yet here I am having theconducting this interview,
(01:21):
beginning in, and I have to tellyou, when I saw the word scalar
, I thought well as scalar isn'tthat like the thing you you get
on top of and it tells you youneed to hit the weights again.
You know so it was.
It's interesting to find outthat no raw, there is something
more to the world than weightscales when you're talking
scalar energy.
So, tom, thank you for joiningme today.
(01:42):
It's a pleasure to meet you andto get to know you.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I appreciate your humor.
Thank you for your audience.
Thank you, sir Well.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Tom, you know one of my New Year's resolutions.
There you go.
It's been so long since the NewYear now I've even forgotten
what that is.
But New Year's resolution isI'm going to stop trying to
introduce my guests and insteadlet my guests introduce
themselves.
So if you're in an elevator andsomeone turns to you and says
Tom, who is Tom Palladino,what's your answer to that?
(02:14):
Not that that should happen inan elevator, but it might.
You never know, right.
So be prepared.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
You never know.
So here goes.
I'm a researcher, I researchthe sun and the stars, and the
energy that I've described asscalar energy is the energy that
powers the sun and the stars.
So I am, if you will,researching the primal force of
(02:42):
the universe Scalar energy,solar energy, call it what you
will life force energy.
Why is that important?
All instructions, all energyoriginates from the sun and the
stars.
So I am going back in time tothe cause, to the first cause,
(03:02):
to the first principle of theuniverse.
And that's important because itgives the first principle of
the universe.
And that's important because itgives us greater understanding
of the universe.
If you can go back to the firstcause, it gives you really a
profound, intimate understandingof the universe.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
That's what I do for a living.
So you're researching theuncaused cause.
That's what it comes down to.
The uncaused cause.
That's what it comes down to,the uncaused cause, thank you.
So you know.
It's interesting too, becauseback when I was a kid, you know,
when I was a teenager I don'tknow if you remember Alan
Parsons at all Did you everlisten to any Alan Parsons music
(03:38):
?
So his one music that he had,he had one album I think it was
called Time Machine and he had apiece there that began that
album and it was the first timethat I ever had anyone talk
about looking up into the stars,looking up into the heavens and
gazing into that and what weknow about the universe and what
we can see just visually fromthe universe.
He said what you're reallylooking at is a time machine.
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And then, of course, the more Ilearned about the universe and
about light and the amount oftime it takes for light to get
to us, when you're looking atsomething that's four million
light years away, we have noidea what that looks like right
now, because the light we'reseeing is from four million
light years ago.
So that was a really difficultkind of concept to get my head
(04:20):
around that when we look up atthe star at night, we're looking
up at history.
Get my head around that.
When we look up at the star atnight, we're looking up at
history.
You know we're looking at atsomething that has, you know,
came long before us and willlikely be going on long after us
.
So, um, but we can talk aboutthat, okay, that's, that's
another whole thing.
That's probably a whole podcastunto itself, right there, right
?
So, tom, I I told you, I warnedyou, we try to start out with a
(04:41):
little bit of my favoritethings, so I'm going to ask you
a favorite thing right away,which is do you have a favorite
star?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
A favorite star, the sun Ah that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
And if the sun was listening, it would be upset if
you didn't say it.
Right?
If you said Sirius or something, your son would go.
Ah, excuse me, but I'm righthere, okay.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, what's most relevant, it's our son, the
solar system.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, it makes sense.
So do you go by the name ofSaul or do you just call it the
old son?
Do you have any?
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I've anglicized it.
We'll call it Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Do you have a favorite constellation?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I really don't.
I love them all.
I've never been asked that.
I really don't.
I think there's just incredibleintelligence in each
constellation and each one isunique and each one is
broadcasting unique information.
That's a profound thought.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
It really is.
Yeah, we don't think of it thatway either, do we?
We just kind of well, I thinkyou know, when you talk about
take some time to smell theflowers, I tend to think well,
take some time to gaze at thestars.
So it's a wonderful way torealize just how much there is
to not only the universe, buthow much there is to the
knowledge that we don't have, wedon't possess yet.
(06:06):
How about you have a favoritebook or a favorite author?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
the Bible, why it's truth in the beginning it was
light, so light, be light made,and that that's really the, if
you will, that the latest thatgave us the universe.
What did it start with Light?
Why you have to have energy tohave a universe.
Energy serves as instructions.
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You need intelligence,instructions to have a universe.
So God, in his grand design andthe master plan, decided that
light was going to carry thoseinstructions.
This is crucial to understandthe universe.
That's why light is the firstprinciple.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
But isn't it interesting too, when you think
of today's technology with fiberoptics, that we've been able to
communicate so much informationthrough fibers conducting light
?
So there's a lot to be unpackedin that, isn't there there?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
is, and light is the perfect instruction, it's the
perfect carrier wave andeventually we're going to get
away from physical accoutrements, we're going to get away from a
physical infrastructure andjust have everything
non-physical.
That's my prediction.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
That would be nice.
So get rid of all those uglywires that are always making
things look so unpleasant.
So how about?
Do you have a favorite poem?
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I'm down.
I like the Psalms.
I like the 150 Psalms in theOld Testament.
Those are poetic to me.
Yeah, I would say the Psalms.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Okay, they are.
Yeah, people point to mymother-in-law at the later
portions of her life and she,regularly, now when she's going
to bed, quotes the 23rd Psalm,which has always been, you know,
one of her favorites.
It's a lot of people's favoritePsalm, right, but it's been
interesting that she remembersso much of it.
But it's also indicative of howshe's failing as she struggles
with more and more parts of itas we go along.
(08:11):
But such is life, right?
So what about?
Do you have a favorite type ofmusic that you like listening to
?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Classical.
The more I get into classicalmusic I'm I've slowed down.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
When I was a kid I listened to till pop, to rock,
that's changed now, sure anyparticular composer that you
like everybody, maybe frombrahms to mozart, vato anybody
so I have friends that areclassical uh, aficionados, I
will call them and they believethat it isn't classical unless
(08:47):
it's 1900 or earlier.
Are you one of those classicalpeople?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
I'm not and I don't have a credence to that.
Why do I like classical music?
Because so often they'veincorporated the golden mean or
the divine proportion in theirmusic.
Their music has great meaningbecause their music copies
nature.
You could actually see theFibonacci sequence or other
mathematical formula in theircomposition.
(09:14):
So we copy nature.
That's the highest form of artas far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
It's interesting to have talked with people that
grow a lot of, you know, do alot of gardening or a lot of
gardening or growing plants intheir backyards or whatnot, and
they'll tell you prettyregularly that the type of music
that they try to play whenthey're out in the garden
tending to things in the morningis either classical or jazz,
and I thought that, well, thatmakes complete sense now,
doesn't it that plants would goyeah, I'm grooving to that.
(09:41):
Play some more Coltr, I'm allover that.
Or, you know, play some mozart,because I like that funky
mozart.
Baby, bring it.
So right.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
I've read some reports where classical music,
say, versus heavy metal, andplants perform much better and
had a more robust life, if youwill, under classical influence,
classical music as, say, hardrock or heavy metal.
So, there must be somethingthere.
There must be.
You know, music is intelligenceand whatever you're projecting
(10:12):
into the plants, they absorb,they incorporate that
intelligence.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah Well, you think about it too, wasn't it?
Most of the classical composers, the greats, were always trying
to describe something of beauty.
They were trying to describesomething of an emotional
component of life and the worldaround them, whereas it strikes
me that a lot of ourcontemporary heavy rock metal,
killer metal, oh gosh, that alot of that is really centered
(10:40):
around the selfish experience ofhatred, anger.
I know I'm upset, I'm, you know, counter-culturing this stupid
world that we live in.
You know, when you'rechanneling those kinds of things
, I don't know how you couldhelp, but you know, basically,
be tele, you know telecommunicating thanatos, you know
death pretty much in any way,shape or form.
So any plant worth its greeneryis going to say no, thank,
(11:02):
thank you.
I'd rather wilt than listen tothat any longer.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
So, but uh, it's so life.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Negating it doesn't make sense to me, I agree yeah,
it's interesting and it tellsyou a lot about our culture
today, doesn't it that you're,you know, we're finding people.
There is that sort of you know,forces of light versus forces
of darkness that are constantlyat one's throats.
If you will, how about I'llwrap up with this one so we can
(11:30):
get in, because there's a lot totalk about.
But is there a favorite?
And I don't quite know how todescribe this.
I've been working with thisquestion for a while, but it
comes down to is there afavorite memory or a favorite
experience that you've had, thatwhen you are looking to find a
way to maybe find center againor to just kind of calm down, or
(11:53):
just maybe it catches youunexpectedly and something
reminds you of it and it just itbrings you back to a place
where you're like I need toremember this, I need to stay in
this place more often, I needto, you know, be a part of this,
whatever it is.
Sometimes people say, when Ismell home-baked bread, it just
brings me back to thesewonderful memories.
Blah, blah, blah.
(12:13):
Do you have something like?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
that I've had great memories as a youngster.
I had an idyllic childhood.
So I frequently look back intomy past and I say that really
was a great way for me to learn,to become enculturated, and it
always makes me smile.
My past makes me smile, I'mvery happy.
(12:35):
So if I can look to my roots,that gives me a great deal of
influence, that gives me a greatdeal of clarity.
There's always a bright spot inlife.
I know there's difficulties inlife, but concentrate on the
positive, Concentrate on how youcan improve yourself and
improve this world.
(12:55):
And I look, I've got fondmemories Fond.
That always serves as mycompass.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I'm going to go to my grave trying to get the message
across.
But I, I am so happy that Igrew up with my parents were
quite a bit older.
When they had me, they wereboth in their forties.
Dad was late for his mom wasmid forties and you know, so I,
I grew up with parents that were, you know, a lot of times
people's grandparents age Rightso, and they used to play a lot
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of.
You know, you name it, glennMiller.
You know the, the, the big bandera to.
You know Eddie Arnold andclassical music, and the closest
thing to jazz was probablyswing.
You know, but they're, theyplayed a lot of Bing Crosby and
one of his, his songs.
When he talks about you got toaccentuate the positive,
desensituate the negative anddon't mess with Mr Inbetween.
(13:50):
And I've always thought, youknow that's a great song, not
only because of the way Bingsang it, but apparently it comes
from like a gospel song of some, that it actually started in
the church and he grabbed a holdof it and turned it into a song
that you just you gottaaccentuate the positive and you
just think, well, if that isn'ta life motto, I don't know what
(14:11):
is.
So, but anyway.
So, tom, you know, let's talkabout the.
So scalar energy Now you'vetalked about that a little bit
that so scalar energy really islife force.
I mean, if we're we were talkingyou've talked about that a
little bit so scalar energyreally is life force.
I mean, if we were talking StarWars, I guess, in a
contemporary commercializedframework, that the force is
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there in everything, worksthrough everything, that it's
what helps us to communicateultimately with God, would be my
perspective on it, and that youknow, when you think about the
uncaused cause, right, how didyou come to it?
I mean, were you studying Teslaand you thought what is going
(14:54):
on here?
I need to know more about this.
What was your beginning of thelight bulb going off and going?
I need to know more about light.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
My aha moment is when I studied Tesla and Tesla would
always refer to God and hedescribed the universe from
these points of light herealized that there was this
innate energy, this, if you will, uncreated energy.
He called it radiant energy andhe wanted to control the sun,
the energy of the sun, theenergy of the stars.
(15:24):
So Tesla the reason why he'ssuch a great theorist and
inventor he copied nature.
The great inventors copy nature.
When you go against nature,you're going to fail.
So what did Tessa do later inhis life?
He copied the stars.
He started creating free energyinstruments, which were stars,
(15:45):
miniature stars, and theybehaved like a miniature star or
a miniature sun.
And when I read about his work,I said this is pure genius,
because he's been able tounderstand the secrets of nature
and copy them.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
That's the key.
No, I'm sorry, go ahead, goahead, go ahead.
I was thinking about some ofTesla's experiments that he did.
You know his ideas of.
You know.
I mean, we should have known hewas on to something when he was
talking about alternatingcurrent and, you know, started
to show how that was so muchmore potential for human
(16:24):
civilization to grow.
And you know potential forhuman civilization to grow.
And you know Edison, who ofcourse wanted direct current to
be you know the thing of thefuture, went around
electrocuting horses just toprove that.
You know this stuff was sodangerous so you got to know
that when there's somebodywalking around, you know,
electrocuting dogs and horses totry to prove you wrong, that
something is rotten in Denmark,right so.
(16:44):
And yet he fought against thatall his life.
I mean, thankfully, people likeWestinghouse came to his rescue
, right and tried to support him.
But his ideas, even today, seemcrazy.
I mean, the poor man dieddestitute in a hotel room in New
York, right with one of hisclosest friends at the time, was
a pigeon.
You know it's easy for peopleto make fun of that and say,
(17:05):
well, you know, obviously theman was crazy, right.
How do you counter that?
How do you get people to sayyeah, you're just looking at
that much of Tesla.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
He was eccentric, but he wasn't crazy.
What Tesla was?
He understood the virtue ofeverything, even pigeons.
He realized that they're verydocile creatures, very
intelligent, and he had arelationship with pigeons.
That's true, that's accurate.
So what do I see in Tesla?
A man who was gifted by God andhe followed those gifts.
Tesla had hundreds ofinventions.
(17:36):
We would not be here today, theworld would look different,
without Nikola Tesla.
He gave us the modern day ageand, whether people understand
him or not, nonetheless he's tobe commended for what he's done.
Two, three hundred, maybe fourhundred inventions, many of them
we've never seen.
They've been confiscated by theUnited States government.
(17:57):
So what is my point?
We have to look at these peoplewho've served to change our
culture for the better.
Tesla, in his effort, was a seachange for mankind.
There's no other scientistwho's contributed more to
humankind than that of NikolaTesla.
We owe him so much gratitude.
(18:18):
If we say that GeorgeWashington was the founding
father of our country, notablythe United States, I'd say that
Nikola Tesla was the foundingfather of the modern-day age.
He gave modern-day technology.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
So for people that aren't familiar with Tesla
either, can you name some of theinventions?
I don't want to be the one tosit there going ah, ah, ah,
because you're the special,you're the guest today.
You get to describe Tesla.
What are some of the top things?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
There was a confrontation between Tesla and
Edison.
Edison wanted DC electricity.
Tesla said AC is much to bepreferred, and today we only use
AC in our homes and our offices.
Why it's economical.
If we would have used DC, wewould have had to have a power
plant every half a mile or everymile.
(19:06):
That's not tenable.
So it's Tess who not only gaveus AC electricity, but it was
relatively inexpensive andrelatively safe.
Later in his life he startedworking with the phonograph.
He believed in radar.
He actually took an X-ray ofhimself, a self X-ray.
He understood these concepts.
(19:27):
Many of his accomplishmentscontributed to the radio.
A lot of people say that it wasTesla who gave us the radio,
not Marconi.
Marconi, if you will, borrowedsome of Tesla's ideas.
So it was really Tessa and hisfoundational understanding of
nature in which we could, if youwill, have this offshoot of so
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many different inventions.
He was the one who started usdown this road of AC electricity
and therefrom there are so manyinventions, there's so much
technology that resulted fromhis spinal effort, from his
central nervous system, if youwill.
We owe him a gratitude.
(20:12):
We can never repay him for hisgenius.
I firmly believe he was inspiredby God.
His genius was just unmatched.
And many times Tessa would saythat God showed him illumination
.
He actually could see aninvention in his mind.
He could actually see this.
If you will before him aninvention, he would not have to
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put it on paper.
Or he would not have to if youwill go about some type of trial
and error in his laboratory,type of trial and error in his
laboratory.
So apparently God gave him thisknowledge, this illumination,
what I would call anintellectual vision.
Now, that's quite specific.
Very few people enjoy that gift.
So if my contention is correctthat God gave him the wisdom and
(20:59):
I say so then God had a highregard for his integrity, his
integrity as an individual.
God would not give his wisdomto a person, a man of nefarious
intent.
So not only was Tesla a greatscientist, he was a great
humanitarian.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, you think about that too.
From my recollection, he camefrom a common, a common
background.
Wasn't he Slavic, if I rememberright?
So a very humble background.
He was not, you know.
Particularly when he came toAmerica he had virtually nothing
, you know, and it was reallykind of the when you look at his
(21:40):
you know steps as he came intoAmerica and then the trajectory
of his career, he always knewthat he had something very
special to offer and I thinkthat probably led people to
think he's pretty eccentric.
Who does this guy think he is?
Well, in a lot of ways he waskind of a prophet of the modern
age.
But I think of things likeyou've talked about the AC.
(22:02):
We wouldn't have motors if itwasn't for his ability to design
a motor, a three-phase motorthat can actually generate the
things that we, you know, takefor granted today.
There would be no you knowTesla car, which you know.
Thank you, elon Musk, for atleast giving Tesla the credit,
for you know the capability youhave there.
But it's a fascinating thingwhen you think about here's this
(22:23):
man that came from nothing andliterally was a prophet in so
many ways that we just take itfor granted.
We don't even understand it?
I don't think most of the timeno.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Go ahead.
His work, if you will, was soforward-thinking that… His
contemporaries could only copyhim.
Nobody matched him, nobodycould come close to his genius.
So that's a sign of a truegenius he's ahead of the field,
he's in a league of his own, andnobody, even to this day, has
(22:58):
ever been able to copy hisbrilliance no one.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Well, they can't even understand it.
I mean, he wasn't one of hislast experiments, can't even
understand it.
I mean, he, one of his, wasn'tone of his last experiments.
The thing that actually kind ofcaused his financial ruin was
this whole concept of wirelessenergy transmission.
As I remember, there was aquite a large transmitter that
he tried to construct in was itNew Jersey?
And of course, the you knowdeveloping utility businesses
(23:28):
were not thrilled with thatwhole concept because there was
an infrastructure there thatwould have been undermined if
that had been successful.
But that theory, that capacitythat he envisioned, people have
been trying to show that itactually could work and are
indeed showing that it couldwork, it actually could work and
are indeed showing that itcould work.
And you know, yet it's like no,no, no, no.
(23:49):
We have way too much investedin copper mining and the making
of wire and the making now offiber optics.
Right, how do you, how do youcombat that, Right?
Speaker 3 (23:59):
That was a threat to the military industrial complex
a hundred years ago and to thisday his research is suppressed.
For that reason, You'reabsolutely right.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
And I hope somehow that perhaps the internet will
be a way to get around that,that our ability to be
interconnected with one another,that these bits of information.
But I remember the same, Ithink sources you probably
looked at of.
You know, when Tesla died,immediately there were sort of
these mysterious people thatappeared, apparently from the
(24:31):
government, and just took boxesand boxes and boxes of
information from his room thatno one's ever seen again.
So I would think you know, youwould think that someone would
recognize that there's a wholelot of money to be made from
utilizing that information.
But you know, then again Iguess they realize that, yeah,
(24:51):
but if we will make the initialyou know savings on this, but
after that, then people won'tneed us anymore.
Once they have their thing, it'slike well, you know, just make
replaceable parts for it, then Idon't know, you know there's
got to be revenue streams there.
I just I don't get it.
I don't get why there's thisfear of something that has so
much potential to change so manylives and solve so many
(25:12):
problems and help so many people.
It's anti-God, it is totallyanti-God.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
And, frankly, it really is spearheaded by the
international bankers who wantto control the narrative, who
want to control not only bankingbut commerce.
So this is Tessa's nemesis.
In his day, tessa wanted togive to the world free energy.
Well, when it's free it's nolonger scarce you reduce the
(25:44):
scarcity significantly.
And how do you make money?
Many times, you make money offof scarcity.
That's the economic model thatmany people are following.
So what's the point?
Again, my research is to helppeople.
Tesla's a humanitarian.
I want to be a humanitarianlike Tesla.
(26:05):
We have to start solvingproblems.
You said that we have to lookfor solutions.
We're not solving our problems.
Year after year goes by, wehave the same problem.
There's no solution.
What do we need?
A new technology, we need a newway of doing things.
That's what we need.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
I'm a big star.
You know just science fictionin general and when you talk
about, you know, zero pointenergy, I think right away of,
like Stargate.
You know, Stargate, Atlantis,they were all about.
You know, the ZPMs that theywere trying to find because they
were the power source for justabout everything and anything.
And it was, you know, they werejust small devices but they
could plug them in and theypowered an entire city.
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I thought, boy, you know, I gotto believe that if somebody
imagined that, that it'spossible, you know, because it's
just like Star Trek.
You know, when I grew up in the60s, Star Trek was, you know, on
TV and you know my dad used tosay he loved watching Star Trek
because it gave him hope that wewould get there someday.
And you know, there's just solittle these days that gives
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people hope.
You know we're, you know,fighting against each other, for
you know you're Republican, I'mDemocrat, I like Biden, you
like Trump.
I mean, it's just so ridiculousbecause at the end of the day
it's, there is no real force atwork here besides the haves and
the have-nots, the people thathave the information or don't
have the information, the peoplethat have health and the
ability to be healthy, thepeople that are kept from things
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that would keep them healthy,the people that have all kinds
of money and the people that donot.
So at what point do you thinkthat we as a race or as a
culture, as a world, can glabonto?
What Tesla was all about, Ithink, financially, was it's
right here, it's right here, upin the sky, it's right there.
We just need to figure out howto work with it instead of
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working against it all the time.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
I say that all the time.
The number one problem in thisworld is we fight.
We're always fighting.
There's always contention.
If we work together, if 8billion people work together, no
fighting harmony it would beparadise on earth.
So we've tripped over ourselves, and that includes the
scientific community, in whichwe're fighting at one another.
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We're not helping one another.
It's, if you will, the law ofthe jungle.
If there's an invention thatcomes out that helps people
bring it out to market or atleast tell people about it, let
there be a free sharing of ideas, of technology.
I've tried to share mytechnology.
I've been stifled.
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I think my discoveries areincredible.
Frankly, I think that the laypeople, if you will, the
grassroots effort, is the key.
It's the Internet that's thekey to my success, not academia.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Sure, sure, probably be the key to our survival as a
species, up there with ham radio.
Ham radio, there's another goodsource of just, you know,
uncensored ability to shareknowledge.
So you gave me a wonderful listof questions and talking points
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, but let's talk a little bitabout the difference between
scalar energy and solar energyand solar energy.
Is there a foundationaldifference there that we need to
be aware of or be thinking as?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
we kind of unravel the framework here.
If we look at the solar panelson our, that's wonderful,
they're taking in solar energy,but it's being converted into DC
electricity, if you will, whichis an inferior type of energy.
What Tessa later in his lifewas able to do was take that
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solar energy and absorb it or,if you will, conduct it into one
of his towers.
And it was still, in itsprimary form, scalar energy.
It had not stepped down toelectromagnetic energy.
So by tapping into scalarenergy he could light up a city.
It was so efficient and it waswireless.
So here's the key when you'reworking with scalar energy it's
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free energy from the stars andthe infrastructure is free.
It's wireless energy.
There are no need for anysatellites or cell phone towers
or or, if you will, dishes, anytype of satellite.
Dish why everything isinterconnected.
It's the ether that connectsthis energy.
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So had we listened to tesla, wewould have had paradise by now.
Everybody would have the meansand access to free, clean energy
, no carbon footprint.
I know a lot of people areworried about the environment.
All of this energy isnon-physical, it cannot harm.
It's not a frequency, it's notelectromagnetic frequency, it's
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a different order and there's nobiological consequence.
I've worked with theseinstruments behind me for 30
years.
I feel better.
It's not radiation.
Radiation is impossible.
There's no chemical, if youwill.
Decomposition.
It's a different order ofenergy.
It's all nonphysicalintelligence.
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Now the point is, had welistened to Tesla and followed
his model, the world would bedecidedly different today.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
So it sounds.
The thing that I have such ahard time getting my head around
with Tesla is this concept of.
I always think you have toconvert scalar into something
else in order for it to beuseful.
You know scalar, you knowthere's photosynthesis, there's,
you know, the ability to, youknow, turn solar energy into DC.
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That somehow we don't have thatcapacity to take it as it is,
use it as it is and functionalongside it as it is.
And I try to imagine what doesa world look like where there's
a car fueled on scalar energy orwhere there is a machine that
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gathers food out of the harvestthings that we need to eat on a
grand scale, enough that wouldfeed hundreds and know, hundreds
and millions or whatever, ofpeople.
It's hard for me to imagine howare we going to figure that out
to be able to take that energythat's there and just power
things?
Are we all Obi-Wan Kenobi andwe just, you know, make it move
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and it moves, is it?
Do you think it's?
Is that where we're heading?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
That's a good point.
We consume so many resourcesthrough our typical energy
generation and it's dangerousand it pollutes, as opposed to
using scalar energy.
That's free.
You don't consume resources,it's inexpensive.
The opposite is from the sunand the stars it's nonphysical,
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it's intelligent.
So there's no chemical, there'sno carbon emission.
So what's the point?
This will solve most of ourproblems, and I could only say
that this has been suppressedand that the powers that be do
not want this alternative energy, scatter energy, as opposed to
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coal and electrical and windfarms, etc.
Why?
Because this energy is free.
You can't make money off of it.
There's no scarcity.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
So how does the translation occur?
If so, once I'm able torecognize and utilize the scalar
energy form or energy source,how does that turn into or does
it need to turn into somethingthat takes me down the road at
60 miles an hour?
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Tessa, for instance.
Tessa developed a scalar energycar and he demonstrated that
car in Buffalo, new York.
And, as the report goes, hetook the engine out of a car it
was a Pierce Arrow and he placedinside of it instead some type
of skid energy apparatus inwhich he could run around town,
so to speak, with this wirelesscar engine.
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A car engine that did notsupport itself by combustion.
There was no, if you will,gasoline or electrical charge.
He simply channeled the energyof the stars into his motor and
he was able to.
If you will, achieve thatkinetic energy through the stars
, now imagine that invention inand of itself.
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You don't need a chargingstation, you just erect an
antenna.
The antenna captures the energyof the sun and the stars and
you're completely, if you will,unencumbered.
Now you do not have to relyupon any energy source fossil
fuels, et cetera.
It was accomplished.
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Tesla had such a vehicle.
Tesla had such a vehicle.
He developed such a vehicle.
Have we seen it today?
No, it's suppressed.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
So how do we get it back?
I mean, I've read of othersimilar kinds of devices that
Tesla was able to envision andconstruct, even the Tesla coil,
which people think it's just foryou know, cool science fiction
movies.
But it actually had a purpose.
You know, he was trying todemonstrate how that kind of you
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know, collected energy could beutilized.
We just lost the ability totranslate it, I guess, somewhere
along the line.
How do we get that back?
Speaker 3 (35:44):
I use Tesla coils.
These are Tesla coils behind me.
How do we get that back?
I use Tesla coils.
These are Tesla coils behind me.
How do we get this technologyback?
We have to revisit Tesla, sadly.
We have to reinvent his work.
He accomplished it andessentially we just copy what
he's done.
In many ways, I've copied him,but you have to be very specific
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and you cannot when it comes toscalar.
You cannot find yourself, ifyou will, ensconced in
electromagnetic theory.
Scalar is a different science.
It's another branch of physics.
You have to think in this otherterm of non-physical science.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Scalar science is quite different you know it
makes me think of spiritualenergy.
You know, when you talk aboutlife force, we're talking about
the soul, ultimately, right.
And even if you accept, youknow, talk with people that
don't believe in the afterlifeand they're like well, do you
believe in science?
And I say well, yeah, of course.
I say well then you must befamiliar with Einstein's theory
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that energy can't be eithercreated or destroyed, so it has
to either transform into anotherform or it has to be.
You know, something has tohappen.
You can't create or destroy it.
And they're like oh, okay, I'mlike well then that means that
the energy of our soul has tosomehow persist.
It can't be destroyed.
So what do you think that lookslike?
You know, I have no idea Likeexactly.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
So idea like, exactly so, but at least you can't say
it doesn't exist.
So, um, which is this?
This is what tessa saw.
He saw this conservation ofenergy.
Now I know a lot of people areworried about running out of
fossil fuels.
That's an argument we can havefor years.
Let's, let's do away withfossil fuels.
Okay, if tessa could illuminatea light bulb that he would hold
in his hand, I can illuminate alight bulb now with this
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instrument.
This is what I'm speaking aboutfree energy.
Let's get away from oil, frompropane, let's get away from
nuclear reactors.
That is limited.
We've limited ourselves, right.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Well, I'm excited to see the successes we're starting
to have with fusion, becausefusion is at the core of what
our sun does all the time andit's limitless.
You know, I sometimes wondertoo if that isn't another just
you know, we're trying tosuppress that and make it as
ungodly expensive as able to doit like this, and the sun
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doesn't appear to be depletingits supply of hydrogen anytime
soon.
There should be a clue there asto what we should be able to
and need to do.
But how do you describe itsnature?
When you think about Skyler andyou're trying to get someone
that is just thinking in termsof, to me it's almost like
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thinking two-dimensionallyinstead of three-dimensionally
or maybe four-dimensionally.
Is there a simple way to kindof grab a hold of it?
Speaker 3 (38:35):
You know, if you come from a religious background,
it's consciousness or it's theintelligence of the universe.
If you're a physicist and youuse terms such as quantum
physics or quantum energy,meaning it's essentially
massless, if you will,antimatter or matter-free energy
.
So what are we getting at?
(38:55):
We're getting to the point ofintelligence where intelligence
will run the universe and itdoes.
What do I mean?
Scalar energy is theintelligence of the stars.
It's all non-physical.
So the highest order is that ofintelligence.
It's not a chemical reaction,it's not the physical plane.
Now imagine that the universeoperates through intelligence.
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What is that intelligence?
It's scalar energy.
So to somebody today, in thismodern day age, you might say
it's the Holy Spirit orconsciousness.
Again, if you will, a scientistmight call that quantum
mechanics or quantum physics.
Others might say that that is,if you will, chi or prana.
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There are different expressions, but society, cultures
throughout millennia haverealized that there's something
out there, this life force,energy that gives expression to
everything.
They were right.
God bless them.
It's true, it's accurate.
There is a universalintelligence, a universal logos.
That's the key people.
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We're at the top.
We control nature withintelligence.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Boy.
That would be a nice thing ifour country could figure that
out right now, because there isa, it seems to me, extremely
conservative effort to keeppeople from thinking, to keep
people from being intelligent,to try to suppress intelligence
in every way, shape or form,especially when it differs from
what I think.
(40:30):
Right, because that's kind ofthe be-all, end-all argument of
well, you know, it's the storyof Lucifer, right, I want to
have what that God guy has.
I think I should have that.
Well, therein goes the fall,instead of just accepting God as
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God and enjoying God and saying, god, boy, you sure have got it
together, god.
So you know why?
Mess up a good thing, we'vebeen doing that forever.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
How does oh sorry go ahead?
And I say to myself thegreatest example of intelligent
design is nature thatperpetuates itself.
How is it that the sea isconstantly churning?
Why do we have tides?
What gives us the four seasons?
What is this mechanism?
What is this intelligence thatgives us life?
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Why do we have the species thatcan sustain themselves?
What are the mechanisms inplace that allow the galaxies to
persist millennia on millennia?
There has to be some granddesign, some incredible,
infinite intelligence thatguides the universe from the
smallest creature to the largestgalaxy.
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That is scalar energy.
It dictates everything.
Nothing misses its mark.
Scalar energy dictateseverything.
Now, if my theory is correctand we can control scalar energy
, then we have, if you will, avantage point for everything in
nature, whether it's thesmallest creature or the
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galaxies.
We now have, if you will, thatour periscope has now finally
been able to find the tool, themechanism of the universe.
It's scalar energy.
It's the intelligence foreverything.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
It makes me think of a movie that I just watched, not
too long ago.
I don't know if you rememberseveral years ago, maybe the
late 90s Contact with JodieFoster and Matthew McConaughey.
So, and you know, I thought atfirst, ah, it's kind of silly,
blah, blah, blah.
But I watched it and that movieis all about the very end, you
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know, it's all about the finaljourney that she's able to take
through this machine that's beentransmitted to them from.
You know, vega, I think, is thestar system it comes from, and
I thought, you know she, finally, this scientist, who has never
been able to admit that theremight be a God, you know, is put
through this divine experience,you know, only to find out that
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you know what is it.
Matthew McConaughey challengesher at one time.
She says prove that there's aGod.
And he said well, let me askyou this Did you love your
father?
She said prove that there's aGod.
And he said well, let me askyou this Did you love your
father?
She said yeah.
He said did he love you?
Yeah, well, prove it so.
And she just kind of well, youknow he loved you though.
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Right, well, yeah, well, proveit so.
And I just I struggle with theidea that why do we in our
brains have to make this so muchmore difficult than it is?
Which is it's not like?
God and science are twodifferent things.
They're the same thing lookingat it from different directions,
and we keep putting them.
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We keep making a war betweentwo things that are not at war,
and I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
I just don't get it.
There are equivalents.
Science and religion are anequivalence.
What one perspective is througha scientific inquiry, another
perspective is through faith,but you can arrive at the truth
from both.
So really there are anequivalence.
It's just your interpretationof the truth.
Whether it's from scientificinquiry or from faith, it
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doesn't matter, it's still thetruth.
Truth is reality, reality istruth, and I think this is what
we've seen in the past centuryand I fault in many ways the
communists for this to dumb downsociety and to say, unless you
can prove it in a laboratory,then it's not valid.
(44:46):
Well, there's a lot of thingswe can't prove, sort of like, as
you were saying, love, can youprove love?
No, nobody, I can't measurelove, but you know it's real,
you know it's valid.
Measure love, but you know it'sreal.
You, you know it's valid, right.
Maybe you can't prove itthrough empirical analysis, but
nonetheless it's.
It's an abstract but it is realright.
(45:07):
Where I think this generationis much smarter than me, than
the previous generations, Ithink we're starting to realize
that love consciousness isnecessary.
You have to have some type ofintelligence, logos, yeah, some
plasma out there thatcontributes to all of this
activity yeah yeah, there's verymuch of a.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
I think where it breaks down for me is in that
reductionist idea that we, youknow, we, we keep reducing
things to.
You know.
Well, love is just, is just aseries of electrochemical things
happening in the brain.
It's an association of thingsthat we're comfortable with,
that make us feel safe.
It's like no love is more thanthat.
Love is something that unifies.
Love is something I can't putmy finger on.
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I can't define it exactly, butI know when it's there and I
know when it's not.
We have that sensitivity.
It's just like.
The one that boggles my mind iswhen people say evolutionists,
which I have no doubt.
I look around and see thingsevolving around me all the time,
but to think that it just allhappened without an intelligent
design to it, that just makes mego.
(46:16):
Are you even intelligent?
Because I'm not really sure howyou can come to that
supposition that it just allhappened.
You know, it's just sort of arandom pool of chemicals that
you know right Forces gotinvolved and boom, there was
life.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
So you have to look at history and many times it's
been written by the winners.
You and I know that.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
So is there?
How does there's a questionhere?
How does scalar energy allowTom Palladino to enhance an
energetic state by being, by wayof their photograph, which I'm
not even sure?
I understand that question.
So I looked at it and thoughtwell, I want to know the answer
to that question, because Idon't even understand what it's
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asking.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
So don't think in electromagnetic terms, think in
quantum, which is allintelligence.
Now I'm going to hold up myphotograph.
There's an intelligence on myphotograph.
This printed piece of papernonetheless has my energy field,
my signatures on thatphotograph.
This instrument will find thatsignature and will send
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information into that forcefield, into that photographic
force field to improve my health, my quantum health.
So what am I getting at?
My photograph is placed insidethis instrument.
In so doing, I teleport to thisinstrument.
I mean that that's right.
I bilocate or I teleport.
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They've done that in Star Trek.
You can be in two places atonce.
Is it possible?
Yes, even though this is myphysical body, this is my
non-physical signature, andthere's two Toms now the flesh,
me and my photograph, which ismy energy copy, my quantum copy.
That's right.
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I bi-locate or I teleport byway of my photograph.
Or people send me theirphotograph and they teleport to
me.
Yes, and we work with theirenergy field and this instrument
can do anything from balancechakras to administer nutrients.
I have a method in which I cantake a photograph of a vitamin
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and place it next to thephotograph of the people and the
energy of riboflavin isdownloaded or imparted into
their force field.
It's a new way of looking atreality.
It's the non-physical side,it's the quantum side, in which
we don't work with people.
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We work with force fields ofpeople.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
What did Einstein call it Spooky energy at a
distance?
Am I remembering that right?
Spooky energy at a distance?
Speaker 3 (49:01):
Am I remembering that right Spooky action at a
distance.
See, einstein wasn't thethinker that Tesla was.
Tesla realized that there's twoenergies.
Einstein could never get hishead around the fact that
there's two energies.
He was stuck on electromagneticenergy, which is fine, but
there's two energies.
You can't explain the universejust by one energy.
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And again, tesla began withelectromagnetic energy, ac
electricity and later in hislife he graduated to scalar
energy.
So this and, if I may and I'mnot throwing rocks at anybody
this is the stumbling blocktoday in academia.
There's two energies.
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You have to accept both.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
You only can explain the universe by try to prove
intelligent life by virtue of.
Are they responding to ourradio, our electromagnetic
frequencies?
Are we able to see signs ofintelligent life?
And I think you know, guys,what if we're not even on the
same wavelength?
We're sending out radio wavesand expecting them to respond to
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us.
What if?
What if that's like you know metrying to communicate to you
with bumblebee, you know, byjust, and it may in fact be
totally legitimate form ofcommunication, but you don't
understand bumblebee, you don'tuse bumblebee anymore.
So how are you going tocommunicate me?
That has nothing to do withwhether or not you're
intelligent, it just has to dowith you don't speak bumblebee.
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So it strikes me that scalar iskind of the same thing in a way
, if my crude analogy that howcan we even talk about something
or expect to utilize somethingthat we can't even begin to have
a conversation about withoutsomebody going?
That's Lululand folks, becauseit sounds crazy, right, in a
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contemporary framework it soundscrazy.
How do you get past that?
Speaker 3 (51:13):
That's an emotional roadblock and unless you can
think through this, you'llalways have that emotional
roadblock roadblock and unlessyou can think through this,
you'll always have thatemotional roadblock.
I guess I could encouragepeople to read Tesla and look at
his work in Colorado Springsand Long Island, in which he had
free energy towers and he wasable to harness the energy of
the stars through these towers.
So it's valid.
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These are scientificinstruments that can control
this energy.
If it's an instrument, thenyou're working through at an
elementary level to learn thisnew science.
This is a new science.
(52:05):
Tessa had to start and he had to.
If you will, learn radiantenergy.
He made his mistakes.
We all make our mistakes, butyou have to be humble and say
I'm going to start.
This is a new branch of physicsand I realize it's different
than that of electricity and I'mwilling to be humble and I'm
willing to start.
This is a new branch of physicsand I realize it's different
than that of electricity and I'mwilling to be humble and I'm
willing to learn.
If you can do that, you'll be agreat scientist.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Well, it strikes me that anyone that is a person of
faith ought to be able to dothat.
You know, I mean, I like tothink of myself as being someone
that realizes I don't have itall figured out, and it sure
would be nice to startunderstanding it a little more,
I guess.
Ultimately, so is there.
Does scalar energy turn on theability to form our own
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nutrients?
Even I see that as one of yourquestions as well.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
Yes, yes Again, if I refer to this, by the way, I
only use photographs.
When I use this instrument, Inever use a chemical.
This is non-physical.
What do I mean If I use thisphotograph of riboflavin?
It has me, it's an energy field, it's intelligence.
So the intelligence ofriboflavin goes into me and I
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receive my nutrition throughinstructions intelligence, not
chemicals.
There's two ways to receivenutrients Biochemically, or
through food or protein shake,or through energy, through
scalar energy.
This is how I receive mynutrients energetically.
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By the way, this process isserved to suppress my appetite.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Interesting.
So there's actually a dietphotograph.
Essentially is what it comesdown to.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
So, yeah, many people on my program say that they no
longer have these hunger painsbecause throughout the day, 24
hours a day, they're receivingnutrients.
And when you receive nutrients,your body has that set point or
has that trigger and it says,well, I received all the
nutrients I need energeticallyand we're not hungry, so people
(54:23):
can miss a meal.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
Tom, there's so much more we have to talk about.
I hope we can get togetheragain and talk more, because I
am a believer that I do not knowvery much at all in this world
and I would like to know more.
And you are on to something.
Obviously you do not comeacross as a crackpot at all.
You actually do come across tome, at least as a prophet of
(54:48):
someone that is just trying tofigure out something that it's
difficult to figure out.
Yes, because it forces us tothink differently.
But as someone that comes fromthe theater, I know what it's
all about learning to thinkdifferently.
But as someone that comes fromthe theater, I know what it's
all about learning to thinkdifferently, because every play
is different and every day isdifferent.
And people that tell me I don'tlike surprises, I always look
at it and think what is wrongwith you that you don't like
(55:09):
surprises.
So, but thank you so much foryour time, Tom.
My guest today has been TomPalladino.
He's a scalar energy researcherbased in Florida, and the
scalar energy is the fundamentallife force found everywhere in
the world.
You can think of it as chi, asprana, mana, life force, pyramid
(55:29):
, energy, the force.
You can think of it any way youwant to, but it is all around
us, and if you want to deny itsexistence after talking with Tom
, I have to tell you you aredenying coffee.
So wake up and smell the coffee, because it is everywhere.
Right, Tom, Agree with that, Isthat okay?
Speaker 3 (55:49):
Yeah, please.
Thank you, well spoken.
Speaker 2 (55:52):
You've been listening to and watching, hopefully,
Frame of Reference Profiles inLeadership and, Tom, it's been
my pleasure.
Truly.
Thank you so much for your time.
And, Tom, it's been my pleasure.
Truly Thank you so much foryour time, and I want to learn
more about all those devicesbehind you Because I did see is
there a website or whatnot, Tom,that we can point people to?
They want to know more.
Speaker 3 (56:13):
Scalarlitecom S-C-A-L-L-I-E-R.
Scalarlitecom.
Speaker 2 (56:17):
Okay, and these are.
It's at least sort of a primerright of how you can at least
start the journey tounderstanding what this is and
how it works.
Speaker 3 (56:27):
By the way, I offer anybody in the world 15 days of
free sessions.
So if you take me up on it,you're going to email us your
photograph.
Okay, I'll talk with you for 15days, okay.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
Scalarlitecom.
Excellent, thank you, tom.
I appreciate it.
We'll look forward to talkingto you again.
We'll figure something out, ifthat's okay with you, please.
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (56:46):
Okay, let's do it again, okay.
Welcome to Frame of Reference informed, intelligent
conversations about the issuesand challenges facing everyone
in today's world.
In-depth interviews to help youexpand and inform your frame of
reference.
Now here's your host, raoulLabrèche.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Well, welcome everyone to another edition of
Frame of Reference Profiles inLeadership, and tonight is an
opportunity.
This is one of the first timesI've recorded later in the
evening, here in Wisconsin atleast, so with someone that's
even later in the eveningbecause, tom, if I understand
right, you're on Eastern Coasttime, so it's something like
6.30 there, right?
So I appreciate you joining me.
(00:40):
I'm sure this should be a greattime where you could be out
having cocktails with friends ordoing something much more fun
than talking with me.
So I appreciate that you'retaking the time out to do this.
Tom, it's great to meet you,but Tom Palladino is sitting
across from me.
He is an expert in scalarenergy and a researcher in that
in Florida.
(01:00):
Scalar energy is a fundamentallife force found everywhere in
the world, space and universe.
It originates from the sun andstars, the chi, the prana, the
OM, mana, the life force, thepyramid energy, the zero point
energy are synchronous terms forscalar energy.
And yet here I am having theconducting this interview,
(01:21):
beginning in, and I have to tellyou, when I saw the word scalar
, I thought well as scalar isn'tthat like the thing you you get
on top of and it tells you youneed to hit the weights again.
You know so it was.
It's interesting to find outthat no raw, there is something
more to the world than weightscales when you're talking
scalar energy.
So, tom, thank you for joiningme today.
(01:42):
It's a pleasure to meet you andto get to know you.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I appreciate your humor.
Thank you for your audience.
Thank you, sir Well.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Tom, you know one of my New Year's resolutions.
There you go.
It's been so long since the NewYear now I've even forgotten
what that is.
But New Year's resolution isI'm going to stop trying to
introduce my guests and insteadlet my guests introduce
themselves.
So if you're in an elevator andsomeone turns to you and says
Tom, who is Tom Palladino,what's your answer to that?
(02:14):
Not that that should happen inan elevator, but it might.
You never know, right.
So be prepared.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
You never know.
So here goes.
I'm a researcher, I researchthe sun and the stars, and the
energy that I've described asscalar energy is the energy that
powers the sun and the stars.
So I am, if you will,researching the primal force of
(02:42):
the universe Scalar energy,solar energy, call it what you
will life force energy.
Why is that important?
All instructions, all energyoriginates from the sun and the
stars.
So I am going back in time tothe cause, to the first cause,
(03:02):
to the first principle of theuniverse.
And that's important because itgives the first principle of
the universe.
And that's important because itgives us greater understanding
of the universe.
If you can go back to the firstcause, it gives you really a
profound, intimate understandingof the universe.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
That's what I do for a living.
So you're researching theuncaused cause.
That's what it comes down to.
The uncaused cause.
That's what it comes down to,the uncaused cause, thank you.
So you know.
It's interesting too, becauseback when I was a kid, you know,
when I was a teenager I don'tknow if you remember Alan
Parsons at all Did you everlisten to any Alan Parsons music
(03:38):
?
So his one music that he had,he had one album I think it was
called Time Machine and he had apiece there that began that
album and it was the first timethat I ever had anyone talk
about looking up into the stars,looking up into the heavens and
gazing into that and what weknow about the universe and what
we can see just visually fromthe universe.
He said what you're reallylooking at is a time machine.
(03:59):
And then, of course, the more Ilearned about the universe and
about light and the amount oftime it takes for light to get
to us, when you're looking atsomething that's four million
light years away, we have noidea what that looks like right
now, because the light we'reseeing is from four million
light years ago.
So that was a really difficultkind of concept to get my head
(04:20):
around that when we look up atthe star at night, we're looking
up at history.
Get my head around that.
When we look up at the star atnight, we're looking up at
history.
You know we're looking at atsomething that has, you know,
came long before us and willlikely be going on long after us
.
So, um, but we can talk aboutthat, okay, that's, that's
another whole thing.
That's probably a whole podcastunto itself, right there, right
?
So, tom, I I told you, I warnedyou, we try to start out with a
(04:41):
little bit of my favoritethings, so I'm going to ask you
a favorite thing right away,which is do you have a favorite
star?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
A favorite star, the sun Ah that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
And if the sun was listening, it would be upset if
you didn't say it.
Right?
If you said Sirius or something, your son would go.
Ah, excuse me, but I'm righthere, okay.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, what's most relevant, it's our son, the
solar system.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, it makes sense.
So do you go by the name ofSaul or do you just call it the
old son?
Do you have any?
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I've anglicized it.
We'll call it Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Do you have a favorite constellation?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I really don't.
I love them all.
I've never been asked that.
I really don't.
I think there's just incredibleintelligence in each
constellation and each one isunique and each one is
broadcasting unique information.
That's a profound thought.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
It really is.
Yeah, we don't think of it thatway either, do we?
We just kind of well, I thinkyou know, when you talk about
take some time to smell theflowers, I tend to think well,
take some time to gaze at thestars.
So it's a wonderful way torealize just how much there is
to not only the universe, buthow much there is to the
knowledge that we don't have, wedon't possess yet.
(06:06):
How about you have a favoritebook or a favorite author?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
the Bible, why it's truth in the beginning it was
light, so light, be light made,and that that's really the, if
you will, that the latest thatgave us the universe.
What did it start with Light?
Why you have to have energy tohave a universe.
Energy serves as instructions.
(06:32):
You need intelligence,instructions to have a universe.
So God, in his grand design andthe master plan, decided that
light was going to carry thoseinstructions.
This is crucial to understandthe universe.
That's why light is the firstprinciple.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
But isn't it interesting too, when you think
of today's technology with fiberoptics, that we've been able to
communicate so much informationthrough fibers conducting light
?
So there's a lot to be unpackedin that, isn't there there?
Speaker 3 (07:07):
is, and light is the perfect instruction, it's the
perfect carrier wave andeventually we're going to get
away from physical accoutrements, we're going to get away from a
physical infrastructure andjust have everything
non-physical.
That's my prediction.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
That would be nice.
So get rid of all those uglywires that are always making
things look so unpleasant.
So how about?
Do you have a favorite poem?
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I'm down.
I like the Psalms.
I like the 150 Psalms in theOld Testament.
Those are poetic to me.
Yeah, I would say the Psalms.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Okay, they are.
Yeah, people point to mymother-in-law at the later
portions of her life and she,regularly, now when she's going
to bed, quotes the 23rd Psalm,which has always been, you know,
one of her favorites.
It's a lot of people's favoritePsalm, right, but it's been
interesting that she remembersso much of it.
But it's also indicative of howshe's failing as she struggles
with more and more parts of itas we go along.
(08:11):
But such is life, right?
So what about?
Do you have a favorite type ofmusic that you like listening to
?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Classical.
The more I get into classicalmusic I'm I've slowed down.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
When I was a kid I listened to till pop, to rock,
that's changed now, sure anyparticular composer that you
like everybody, maybe frombrahms to mozart, vato anybody
so I have friends that areclassical uh, aficionados, I
will call them and they believethat it isn't classical unless
(08:47):
it's 1900 or earlier.
Are you one of those classicalpeople?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
I'm not and I don't have a credence to that.
Why do I like classical music?
Because so often they'veincorporated the golden mean or
the divine proportion in theirmusic.
Their music has great meaningbecause their music copies
nature.
You could actually see theFibonacci sequence or other
mathematical formula in theircomposition.
(09:14):
So we copy nature.
That's the highest form of artas far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
It's interesting to have talked with people that
grow a lot of, you know, do alot of gardening or a lot of
gardening or growing plants intheir backyards or whatnot, and
they'll tell you prettyregularly that the type of music
that they try to play whenthey're out in the garden
tending to things in the morningis either classical or jazz,
and I thought that, well, thatmakes complete sense now,
doesn't it that plants would goyeah, I'm grooving to that.
(09:41):
Play some more Coltr, I'm allover that.
Or, you know, play some mozart,because I like that funky
mozart.
Baby, bring it.
So right.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
I've read some reports where classical music,
say, versus heavy metal, andplants perform much better and
had a more robust life, if youwill, under classical influence,
classical music as, say, hardrock or heavy metal.
So, there must be somethingthere.
There must be.
You know, music is intelligenceand whatever you're projecting
(10:12):
into the plants, they absorb,they incorporate that
intelligence.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah Well, you think about it too, wasn't it?
Most of the classical composers, the greats, were always trying
to describe something of beauty.
They were trying to describesomething of an emotional
component of life and the worldaround them, whereas it strikes
me that a lot of ourcontemporary heavy rock metal,
killer metal, oh gosh, that alot of that is really centered
(10:40):
around the selfish experience ofhatred, anger.
I know I'm upset, I'm, you know, counter-culturing this stupid
world that we live in.
You know, when you'rechanneling those kinds of things
, I don't know how you couldhelp, but you know, basically,
be tele, you know telecommunicating thanatos, you know
death pretty much in any way,shape or form.
So any plant worth its greeneryis going to say no, thank,
(11:02):
thank you.
I'd rather wilt than listen tothat any longer.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
So, but uh, it's so life.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Negating it doesn't make sense to me, I agree yeah,
it's interesting and it tellsyou a lot about our culture
today, doesn't it that you're,you know, we're finding people.
There is that sort of you know,forces of light versus forces
of darkness that are constantlyat one's throats.
If you will, how about I'llwrap up with this one so we can
(11:30):
get in, because there's a lot totalk about.
But is there a favorite?
And I don't quite know how todescribe this.
I've been working with thisquestion for a while, but it
comes down to is there afavorite memory or a favorite
experience that you've had, thatwhen you are looking to find a
way to maybe find center againor to just kind of calm down, or
(11:53):
just maybe it catches youunexpectedly and something
reminds you of it and it just itbrings you back to a place
where you're like I need toremember this, I need to stay in
this place more often, I needto, you know, be a part of this,
whatever it is.
Sometimes people say, when Ismell home-baked bread, it just
brings me back to thesewonderful memories.
Blah, blah, blah.
(12:13):
Do you have something like?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
that I've had great memories as a youngster.
I had an idyllic childhood.
So I frequently look back intomy past and I say that really
was a great way for me to learn,to become enculturated, and it
always makes me smile.
My past makes me smile, I'mvery happy.
(12:35):
So if I can look to my roots,that gives me a great deal of
influence, that gives me a greatdeal of clarity.
There's always a bright spot inlife.
I know there's difficulties inlife, but concentrate on the
positive, Concentrate on how youcan improve yourself and
improve this world.
(12:55):
And I look, I've got fondmemories Fond.
That always serves as mycompass.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I'm going to go to my grave trying to get the message
across.
But I, I am so happy that Igrew up with my parents were
quite a bit older.
When they had me, they wereboth in their forties.
Dad was late for his mom wasmid forties and you know, so I,
I grew up with parents that were, you know, a lot of times
people's grandparents age Rightso, and they used to play a lot
(13:27):
of.
You know, you name it, glennMiller.
You know the, the, the big bandera to.
You know Eddie Arnold andclassical music, and the closest
thing to jazz was probablyswing.
You know, but they're, theyplayed a lot of Bing Crosby and
one of his, his songs.
When he talks about you got toaccentuate the positive,
desensituate the negative anddon't mess with Mr Inbetween.
(13:50):
And I've always thought, youknow that's a great song, not
only because of the way Bingsang it, but apparently it comes
from like a gospel song of some, that it actually started in
the church and he grabbed a holdof it and turned it into a song
that you just you gottaaccentuate the positive and you
just think, well, if that isn'ta life motto, I don't know what
(14:11):
is.
So, but anyway.
So, tom, you know, let's talkabout the.
So scalar energy Now you'vetalked about that a little bit
that so scalar energy really islife force.
I mean, if we're we were talkingyou've talked about that a
little bit so scalar energyreally is life force.
I mean, if we were talking StarWars, I guess, in a
contemporary commercializedframework, that the force is
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there in everything, worksthrough everything, that it's
what helps us to communicateultimately with God, would be my
perspective on it, and that youknow, when you think about the
uncaused cause, right, how didyou come to it?
I mean, were you studying Teslaand you thought what is going
(14:54):
on here?
I need to know more about this.
What was your beginning of thelight bulb going off and going?
I need to know more about light.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
My aha moment is when I studied Tesla and Tesla would
always refer to God and hedescribed the universe from
these points of light herealized that there was this
innate energy, this, if you will, uncreated energy.
He called it radiant energy andhe wanted to control the sun,
the energy of the sun, theenergy of the stars.
(15:24):
So Tesla the reason why he'ssuch a great theorist and
inventor he copied nature.
The great inventors copy nature.
When you go against nature,you're going to fail.
So what did Tessa do later inhis life?
He copied the stars.
He started creating free energyinstruments, which were stars,
(15:45):
miniature stars, and theybehaved like a miniature star or
a miniature sun.
And when I read about his work,I said this is pure genius,
because he's been able tounderstand the secrets of nature
and copy them.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
That's the key.
No, I'm sorry, go ahead, goahead, go ahead.
I was thinking about some ofTesla's experiments that he did.
You know his ideas of.
You know.
I mean, we should have known hewas on to something when he was
talking about alternatingcurrent and, you know, started
to show how that was so muchmore potential for human
(16:24):
civilization to grow.
And you know potential forhuman civilization to grow.
And you know Edison, who ofcourse wanted direct current to
be you know the thing of thefuture, went around
electrocuting horses just toprove that.
You know this stuff was sodangerous so you got to know
that when there's somebodywalking around, you know,
electrocuting dogs and horses totry to prove you wrong, that
something is rotten in Denmark,right so.
(16:44):
And yet he fought against thatall his life.
I mean, thankfully, people likeWestinghouse came to his rescue
, right and tried to support him.
But his ideas, even today, seemcrazy.
I mean, the poor man dieddestitute in a hotel room in New
York, right with one of hisclosest friends at the time, was
a pigeon.
You know it's easy for peopleto make fun of that and say,
(17:05):
well, you know, obviously theman was crazy, right.
How do you counter that?
How do you get people to sayyeah, you're just looking at
that much of Tesla.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
He was eccentric, but he wasn't crazy.
What Tesla was?
He understood the virtue ofeverything, even pigeons.
He realized that they're verydocile creatures, very
intelligent, and he had arelationship with pigeons.
That's true, that's accurate.
So what do I see in Tesla?
A man who was gifted by God andhe followed those gifts.
Tesla had hundreds ofinventions.
(17:36):
We would not be here today, theworld would look different,
without Nikola Tesla.
He gave us the modern day ageand, whether people understand
him or not, nonetheless he's tobe commended for what he's done.
Two, three hundred, maybe fourhundred inventions, many of them
we've never seen.
They've been confiscated by theUnited States government.
(17:57):
So what is my point?
We have to look at these peoplewho've served to change our
culture for the better.
Tesla, in his effort, was a seachange for mankind.
There's no other scientistwho's contributed more to
humankind than that of NikolaTesla.
We owe him so much gratitude.
(18:18):
If we say that GeorgeWashington was the founding
father of our country, notablythe United States, I'd say that
Nikola Tesla was the foundingfather of the modern-day age.
He gave modern-day technology.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
So for people that aren't familiar with Tesla
either, can you name some of theinventions?
I don't want to be the one tosit there going ah, ah, ah,
because you're the special,you're the guest today.
You get to describe Tesla.
What are some of the top things?
Speaker 3 (18:45):
There was a confrontation between Tesla and
Edison.
Edison wanted DC electricity.
Tesla said AC is much to bepreferred, and today we only use
AC in our homes and our offices.
Why it's economical.
If we would have used DC, wewould have had to have a power
plant every half a mile or everymile.
(19:06):
That's not tenable.
So it's Tess who not only gaveus AC electricity, but it was
relatively inexpensive andrelatively safe.
Later in his life he startedworking with the phonograph.
He believed in radar.
He actually took an X-ray ofhimself, a self X-ray.
He understood these concepts.
(19:27):
Many of his accomplishmentscontributed to the radio.
A lot of people say that it wasTesla who gave us the radio,
not Marconi.
Marconi, if you will, borrowedsome of Tesla's ideas.
So it was really Tessa and hisfoundational understanding of
nature in which we could, if youwill, have this offshoot of so
(19:51):
many different inventions.
He was the one who started usdown this road of AC electricity
and therefrom there are so manyinventions, there's so much
technology that resulted fromhis spinal effort, from his
central nervous system, if youwill.
We owe him a gratitude.
(20:12):
We can never repay him for hisgenius.
I firmly believe he was inspiredby God.
His genius was just unmatched.
And many times Tessa would saythat God showed him illumination
.
He actually could see aninvention in his mind.
He could actually see this.
If you will before him aninvention, he would not have to
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put it on paper.
Or he would not have to if youwill go about some type of trial
and error in his laboratory,type of trial and error in his
laboratory.
So apparently God gave him thisknowledge, this illumination,
what I would call anintellectual vision.
Now, that's quite specific.
Very few people enjoy that gift.
So if my contention is correctthat God gave him the wisdom and
(20:59):
I say so then God had a highregard for his integrity, his
integrity as an individual.
God would not give his wisdomto a person, a man of nefarious
intent.
So not only was Tesla a greatscientist, he was a great
humanitarian.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, you think about that too.
From my recollection, he camefrom a common, a common
background.
Wasn't he Slavic, if I rememberright?
So a very humble background.
He was not, you know.
Particularly when he came toAmerica he had virtually nothing
, you know, and it was reallykind of the when you look at his
(21:40):
you know steps as he came intoAmerica and then the trajectory
of his career, he always knewthat he had something very
special to offer and I thinkthat probably led people to
think he's pretty eccentric.
Who does this guy think he is?
Well, in a lot of ways he waskind of a prophet of the modern
age.
But I think of things likeyou've talked about the AC.
(22:02):
We wouldn't have motors if itwasn't for his ability to design
a motor, a three-phase motorthat can actually generate the
things that we, you know, takefor granted today.
There would be no you knowTesla car, which you know.
Thank you, elon Musk, for atleast giving Tesla the credit,
for you know the capability youhave there.
But it's a fascinating thingwhen you think about here's this
(22:23):
man that came from nothing andliterally was a prophet in so
many ways that we just take itfor granted.
We don't even understand it?
I don't think most of the timeno.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Go ahead.
His work, if you will, was soforward-thinking that… His
contemporaries could only copyhim.
Nobody matched him, nobodycould come close to his genius.
So that's a sign of a truegenius he's ahead of the field,
he's in a league of his own, andnobody, even to this day, has
(22:58):
ever been able to copy hisbrilliance no one.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Well, they can't even understand it.
I mean, he wasn't one of hislast experiments, can't even
understand it.
I mean, he, one of his, wasn'tone of his last experiments.
The thing that actually kind ofcaused his financial ruin was
this whole concept of wirelessenergy transmission.
As I remember, there was aquite a large transmitter that
he tried to construct in was itNew Jersey?
And of course, the you knowdeveloping utility businesses
(23:28):
were not thrilled with thatwhole concept because there was
an infrastructure there thatwould have been undermined if
that had been successful.
But that theory, that capacitythat he envisioned, people have
been trying to show that itactually could work and are
indeed showing that it couldwork, it actually could work and
are indeed showing that itcould work.
And you know, yet it's like no,no, no, no.
(23:49):
We have way too much investedin copper mining and the making
of wire and the making now offiber optics.
Right, how do you, how do youcombat that, Right?
Speaker 3 (23:59):
That was a threat to the military industrial complex
a hundred years ago and to thisday his research is suppressed.
For that reason, You'reabsolutely right.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
And I hope somehow that perhaps the internet will
be a way to get around that,that our ability to be
interconnected with one another,that these bits of information.
But I remember the same, Ithink sources you probably
looked at of.
You know, when Tesla died,immediately there were sort of
these mysterious people thatappeared, apparently from the
(24:31):
government, and just took boxesand boxes and boxes of
information from his room thatno one's ever seen again.
So I would think you know, youwould think that someone would
recognize that there's a wholelot of money to be made from
utilizing that information.
But you know, then again Iguess they realize that, yeah,
(24:51):
but if we will make the initialyou know savings on this, but
after that, then people won'tneed us anymore.
Once they have their thing, it'slike well, you know, just make
replaceable parts for it, then Idon't know, you know there's
got to be revenue streams there.
I just I don't get it.
I don't get why there's thisfear of something that has so
much potential to change so manylives and solve so many
(25:12):
problems and help so many people.
It's anti-God, it is totallyanti-God.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
And, frankly, it really is spearheaded by the
international bankers who wantto control the narrative, who
want to control not only bankingbut commerce.
So this is Tessa's nemesis.
In his day, tessa wanted togive to the world free energy.
Well, when it's free it's nolonger scarce you reduce the
(25:44):
scarcity significantly.
And how do you make money?
Many times, you make money offof scarcity.
That's the economic model thatmany people are following.
So what's the point?
Again, my research is to helppeople.
Tesla's a humanitarian.
I want to be a humanitarianlike Tesla.
(26:05):
We have to start solvingproblems.
You said that we have to lookfor solutions.
We're not solving our problems.
Year after year goes by, wehave the same problem.
There's no solution.
What do we need?
A new technology, we need a newway of doing things.
That's what we need.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
I'm a big star.
You know just science fictionin general and when you talk
about, you know, zero pointenergy, I think right away of,
like Stargate.
You know, Stargate, Atlantis,they were all about.
You know, the ZPMs that theywere trying to find because they
were the power source for justabout everything and anything.
And it was, you know, they werejust small devices but they
could plug them in and theypowered an entire city.
(26:51):
I thought, boy, you know, I gotto believe that if somebody
imagined that, that it'spossible, you know, because it's
just like Star Trek.
You know, when I grew up in the60s, Star Trek was, you know, on
TV and you know my dad used tosay he loved watching Star Trek
because it gave him hope that wewould get there someday.
And you know, there's just solittle these days that gives
(27:12):
people hope.
You know we're, you know,fighting against each other, for
you know you're Republican, I'mDemocrat, I like Biden, you
like Trump.
I mean, it's just so ridiculousbecause at the end of the day
it's, there is no real force atwork here besides the haves and
the have-nots, the people thathave the information or don't
have the information, the peoplethat have health and the
ability to be healthy, thepeople that are kept from things
(27:34):
that would keep them healthy,the people that have all kinds
of money and the people that donot.
So at what point do you thinkthat we as a race or as a
culture, as a world, can glabonto?
What Tesla was all about, Ithink, financially, was it's
right here, it's right here, upin the sky, it's right there.
We just need to figure out howto work with it instead of
(27:56):
working against it all the time.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
I say that all the time.
The number one problem in thisworld is we fight.
We're always fighting.
There's always contention.
If we work together, if 8billion people work together, no
fighting harmony it would beparadise on earth.
So we've tripped over ourselves, and that includes the
scientific community, in whichwe're fighting at one another.
(28:20):
We're not helping one another.
It's, if you will, the law ofthe jungle.
If there's an invention thatcomes out that helps people
bring it out to market or atleast tell people about it, let
there be a free sharing of ideas, of technology.
I've tried to share mytechnology.
I've been stifled.
(28:41):
I think my discoveries areincredible.
Frankly, I think that the laypeople, if you will, the
grassroots effort, is the key.
It's the Internet that's thekey to my success, not academia.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Sure, sure, probably be the key to our survival as a
species, up there with ham radio.
Ham radio, there's another goodsource of just, you know,
uncensored ability to shareknowledge.
So you gave me a wonderful listof questions and talking points
(29:16):
, but let's talk a little bitabout the difference between
scalar energy and solar energyand solar energy.
Is there a foundationaldifference there that we need to
be aware of or be thinking as?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
we kind of unravel the framework here.
If we look at the solar panelson our, that's wonderful,
they're taking in solar energy,but it's being converted into DC
electricity, if you will, whichis an inferior type of energy.
What Tessa later in his lifewas able to do was take that
(29:54):
solar energy and absorb it or,if you will, conduct it into one
of his towers.
And it was still, in itsprimary form, scalar energy.
It had not stepped down toelectromagnetic energy.
So by tapping into scalarenergy he could light up a city.
It was so efficient and it waswireless.
So here's the key when you'reworking with scalar energy it's
(30:18):
free energy from the stars andthe infrastructure is free.
It's wireless energy.
There are no need for anysatellites or cell phone towers
or or, if you will, dishes, anytype of satellite.
Dish why everything isinterconnected.
It's the ether that connectsthis energy.
(30:39):
So had we listened to tesla, wewould have had paradise by now.
Everybody would have the meansand access to free, clean energy
, no carbon footprint.
I know a lot of people areworried about the environment.
All of this energy isnon-physical, it cannot harm.
It's not a frequency, it's notelectromagnetic frequency, it's
(31:02):
a different order and there's nobiological consequence.
I've worked with theseinstruments behind me for 30
years.
I feel better.
It's not radiation.
Radiation is impossible.
There's no chemical, if youwill.
Decomposition.
It's a different order ofenergy.
It's all nonphysicalintelligence.
(31:23):
Now the point is, had welistened to Tesla and followed
his model, the world would bedecidedly different today.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
So it sounds.
The thing that I have such ahard time getting my head around
with Tesla is this concept of.
I always think you have toconvert scalar into something
else in order for it to beuseful.
You know scalar, you knowthere's photosynthesis, there's,
you know, the ability to, youknow, turn solar energy into DC.
(31:58):
That somehow we don't have thatcapacity to take it as it is,
use it as it is and functionalongside it as it is.
And I try to imagine what doesa world look like where there's
a car fueled on scalar energy orwhere there is a machine that
(32:18):
gathers food out of the harvestthings that we need to eat on a
grand scale, enough that wouldfeed hundreds and know, hundreds
and millions or whatever, ofpeople.
It's hard for me to imagine howare we going to figure that out
to be able to take that energythat's there and just power
things?
Are we all Obi-Wan Kenobi andwe just, you know, make it move
(32:40):
and it moves, is it?
Do you think it's?
Is that where we're heading?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
That's a good point.
We consume so many resourcesthrough our typical energy
generation and it's dangerousand it pollutes, as opposed to
using scalar energy.
That's free.
You don't consume resources,it's inexpensive.
The opposite is from the sunand the stars it's nonphysical,
(33:06):
it's intelligent.
So there's no chemical, there'sno carbon emission.
So what's the point?
This will solve most of ourproblems, and I could only say
that this has been suppressedand that the powers that be do
not want this alternative energy, scatter energy, as opposed to
(33:26):
coal and electrical and windfarms, etc.
Why?
Because this energy is free.
You can't make money off of it.
There's no scarcity.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
So how does the translation occur?
If so, once I'm able torecognize and utilize the scalar
energy form or energy source,how does that turn into or does
it need to turn into somethingthat takes me down the road at
60 miles an hour?
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Tessa, for instance.
Tessa developed a scalar energycar and he demonstrated that
car in Buffalo, new York.
And, as the report goes, hetook the engine out of a car it
was a Pierce Arrow and he placedinside of it instead some type
of skid energy apparatus inwhich he could run around town,
so to speak, with this wirelesscar engine.
(34:22):
A car engine that did notsupport itself by combustion.
There was no, if you will,gasoline or electrical charge.
He simply channeled the energyof the stars into his motor and
he was able to.
If you will, achieve thatkinetic energy through the stars
, now imagine that invention inand of itself.
(34:44):
You don't need a chargingstation, you just erect an
antenna.
The antenna captures the energyof the sun and the stars and
you're completely, if you will,unencumbered.
Now you do not have to relyupon any energy source fossil
fuels, et cetera.
It was accomplished.
(35:05):
Tesla had such a vehicle.
Tesla had such a vehicle.
He developed such a vehicle.
Have we seen it today?
No, it's suppressed.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
So how do we get it back?
I mean, I've read of othersimilar kinds of devices that
Tesla was able to envision andconstruct, even the Tesla coil,
which people think it's just foryou know, cool science fiction
movies.
But it actually had a purpose.
You know, he was trying todemonstrate how that kind of you
(35:35):
know, collected energy could beutilized.
We just lost the ability totranslate it, I guess, somewhere
along the line.
How do we get that back?
Speaker 3 (35:44):
I use Tesla coils.
These are Tesla coils behind me.
How do we get that back?
I use Tesla coils.
These are Tesla coils behind me.
How do we get this technologyback?
We have to revisit Tesla, sadly.
We have to reinvent his work.
He accomplished it andessentially we just copy what
he's done.
In many ways, I've copied him,but you have to be very specific
(36:05):
and you cannot when it comes toscalar.
You cannot find yourself, ifyou will, ensconced in
electromagnetic theory.
Scalar is a different science.
It's another branch of physics.
You have to think in this otherterm of non-physical science.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Scalar science is quite different you know it
makes me think of spiritualenergy.
You know, when you talk aboutlife force, we're talking about
the soul, ultimately, right.
And even if you accept, youknow, talk with people that
don't believe in the afterlifeand they're like well, do you
believe in science?
And I say well, yeah, of course.
I say well then you must befamiliar with Einstein's theory
(36:41):
that energy can't be eithercreated or destroyed, so it has
to either transform into anotherform or it has to be.
You know, something has tohappen.
You can't create or destroy it.
And they're like oh, okay, I'mlike well then that means that
the energy of our soul has tosomehow persist.
It can't be destroyed.
So what do you think that lookslike?
You know, I have no idea Likeexactly.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
So idea like, exactly so, but at least you can't say
it doesn't exist.
So, um, which is this?
This is what tessa saw.
He saw this conservation ofenergy.
Now I know a lot of people areworried about running out of
fossil fuels.
That's an argument we can havefor years.
Let's, let's do away withfossil fuels.
Okay, if tessa could illuminatea light bulb that he would hold
in his hand, I can illuminate alight bulb now with this
(37:29):
instrument.
This is what I'm speaking aboutfree energy.
Let's get away from oil, frompropane, let's get away from
nuclear reactors.
That is limited.
We've limited ourselves, right.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Well, I'm excited to see the successes we're starting
to have with fusion, becausefusion is at the core of what
our sun does all the time andit's limitless.
You know, I sometimes wondertoo if that isn't another just
you know, we're trying tosuppress that and make it as
ungodly expensive as able to doit like this, and the sun
(38:05):
doesn't appear to be depletingits supply of hydrogen anytime
soon.
There should be a clue there asto what we should be able to
and need to do.
But how do you describe itsnature?
When you think about Skyler andyou're trying to get someone
that is just thinking in termsof, to me it's almost like
(38:25):
thinking two-dimensionallyinstead of three-dimensionally
or maybe four-dimensionally.
Is there a simple way to kindof grab a hold of it?
Speaker 3 (38:35):
You know, if you come from a religious background,
it's consciousness or it's theintelligence of the universe.
If you're a physicist and youuse terms such as quantum
physics or quantum energy,meaning it's essentially
massless, if you will,antimatter or matter-free energy
.
So what are we getting at?
(38:55):
We're getting to the point ofintelligence where intelligence
will run the universe and itdoes.
What do I mean?
Scalar energy is theintelligence of the stars.
It's all non-physical.
So the highest order is that ofintelligence.
It's not a chemical reaction,it's not the physical plane.
Now imagine that the universeoperates through intelligence.
(39:19):
What is that intelligence?
It's scalar energy.
So to somebody today, in thismodern day age, you might say
it's the Holy Spirit orconsciousness.
Again, if you will, a scientistmight call that quantum
mechanics or quantum physics.
Others might say that that is,if you will, chi or prana.
(39:41):
There are different expressions, but society, cultures
throughout millennia haverealized that there's something
out there, this life force,energy that gives expression to
everything.
They were right.
God bless them.
It's true, it's accurate.
There is a universalintelligence, a universal logos.
That's the key people.
(40:03):
We're at the top.
We control nature withintelligence.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Boy.
That would be a nice thing ifour country could figure that
out right now, because there isa, it seems to me, extremely
conservative effort to keeppeople from thinking, to keep
people from being intelligent,to try to suppress intelligence
in every way, shape or form,especially when it differs from
what I think.
(40:30):
Right, because that's kind ofthe be-all, end-all argument of
well, you know, it's the storyof Lucifer, right, I want to
have what that God guy has.
I think I should have that.
Well, therein goes the fall,instead of just accepting God as
(40:51):
God and enjoying God and saying, god, boy, you sure have got it
together, god.
So you know why?
Mess up a good thing, we'vebeen doing that forever.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
How does oh sorry go ahead?
And I say to myself thegreatest example of intelligent
design is nature thatperpetuates itself.
How is it that the sea isconstantly churning?
Why do we have tides?
What gives us the four seasons?
What is this mechanism?
What is this intelligence thatgives us life?
(41:24):
Why do we have the species thatcan sustain themselves?
What are the mechanisms inplace that allow the galaxies to
persist millennia on millennia?
There has to be some granddesign, some incredible,
infinite intelligence thatguides the universe from the
smallest creature to the largestgalaxy.
(41:47):
That is scalar energy.
It dictates everything.
Nothing misses its mark.
Scalar energy dictateseverything.
Now, if my theory is correctand we can control scalar energy
, then we have, if you will, avantage point for everything in
nature, whether it's thesmallest creature or the
(42:07):
galaxies.
We now have, if you will, thatour periscope has now finally
been able to find the tool, themechanism of the universe.
It's scalar energy.
It's the intelligence foreverything.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
It makes me think of a movie that I just watched, not
too long ago.
I don't know if you rememberseveral years ago, maybe the
late 90s Contact with JodieFoster and Matthew McConaughey.
So, and you know, I thought atfirst, ah, it's kind of silly,
blah, blah, blah.
But I watched it and that movieis all about the very end, you
(42:48):
know, it's all about the finaljourney that she's able to take
through this machine that's beentransmitted to them from.
You know, vega, I think, is thestar system it comes from, and
I thought, you know she, finally, this scientist, who has never
been able to admit that theremight be a God, you know, is put
through this divine experience,you know, only to find out that
(43:10):
you know what is it.
Matthew McConaughey challengesher at one time.
She says prove that there's aGod.
And he said well, let me askyou this Did you love your
father?
She said prove that there's aGod.
And he said well, let me askyou this Did you love your
father?
She said yeah.
He said did he love you?
Yeah, well, prove it so.
And she just kind of well, youknow he loved you though.
(43:32):
Right, well, yeah, well, proveit so.
And I just I struggle with theidea that why do we in our
brains have to make this so muchmore difficult than it is?
Which is it's not like?
God and science are twodifferent things.
They're the same thing lookingat it from different directions,
and we keep putting them.
(43:54):
We keep making a war betweentwo things that are not at war,
and I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
I just don't get it.
There are equivalents.
Science and religion are anequivalence.
What one perspective is througha scientific inquiry, another
perspective is through faith,but you can arrive at the truth
from both.
So really there are anequivalence.
It's just your interpretationof the truth.
Whether it's from scientificinquiry or from faith, it
(44:25):
doesn't matter, it's still thetruth.
Truth is reality, reality istruth, and I think this is what
we've seen in the past centuryand I fault in many ways the
communists for this to dumb downsociety and to say, unless you
can prove it in a laboratory,then it's not valid.
(44:46):
Well, there's a lot of thingswe can't prove, sort of like, as
you were saying, love, can youprove love?
No, nobody, I can't measurelove, but you know it's real,
you know it's valid.
Measure love, but you know it'sreal.
You, you know it's valid, right.
Maybe you can't prove itthrough empirical analysis, but
nonetheless it's.
It's an abstract but it is realright.
(45:07):
Where I think this generationis much smarter than me, than
the previous generations, Ithink we're starting to realize
that love consciousness isnecessary.
You have to have some type ofintelligence, logos, yeah, some
plasma out there thatcontributes to all of this
activity yeah yeah, there's verymuch of a.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
I think where it breaks down for me is in that
reductionist idea that we, youknow, we, we keep reducing
things to.
You know.
Well, love is just, is just aseries of electrochemical things
happening in the brain.
It's an association of thingsthat we're comfortable with,
that make us feel safe.
It's like no love is more thanthat.
Love is something that unifies.
Love is something I can't putmy finger on.
(45:53):
I can't define it exactly, butI know when it's there and I
know when it's not.
We have that sensitivity.
It's just like.
The one that boggles my mind iswhen people say evolutionists,
which I have no doubt.
I look around and see thingsevolving around me all the time,
but to think that it just allhappened without an intelligent
design to it, that just makes mego.
(46:16):
Are you even intelligent?
Because I'm not really sure howyou can come to that
supposition that it just allhappened.
You know, it's just sort of arandom pool of chemicals that
you know right Forces gotinvolved and boom, there was
life.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
So you have to look at history and many times it's
been written by the winners.
You and I know that.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
So is there?
How does there's a questionhere?
How does scalar energy allowTom Palladino to enhance an
energetic state by being, by wayof their photograph, which I'm
not even sure?
I understand that question.
So I looked at it and thoughtwell, I want to know the answer
to that question, because Idon't even understand what it's
(47:02):
asking.
Speaker 3 (47:04):
So don't think in electromagnetic terms, think in
quantum, which is allintelligence.
Now I'm going to hold up myphotograph.
There's an intelligence on myphotograph.
This printed piece of papernonetheless has my energy field,
my signatures on thatphotograph.
This instrument will find thatsignature and will send
(47:27):
information into that forcefield, into that photographic
force field to improve my health, my quantum health.
So what am I getting at?
My photograph is placed insidethis instrument.
In so doing, I teleport to thisinstrument.
I mean that that's right.
I bilocate or I teleport.
(47:48):
They've done that in Star Trek.
You can be in two places atonce.
Is it possible?
Yes, even though this is myphysical body, this is my
non-physical signature, andthere's two Toms now the flesh,
me and my photograph, which ismy energy copy, my quantum copy.
That's right.
(48:09):
I bi-locate or I teleport byway of my photograph.
Or people send me theirphotograph and they teleport to
me.
Yes, and we work with theirenergy field and this instrument
can do anything from balancechakras to administer nutrients.
I have a method in which I cantake a photograph of a vitamin
(48:31):
and place it next to thephotograph of the people and the
energy of riboflavin isdownloaded or imparted into
their force field.
It's a new way of looking atreality.
It's the non-physical side,it's the quantum side, in which
we don't work with people.
(48:52):
We work with force fields ofpeople.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
What did Einstein call it Spooky energy at a
distance?
Am I remembering that right?
Spooky energy at a distance?
Speaker 3 (49:01):
Am I remembering that right Spooky action at a
distance.
See, einstein wasn't thethinker that Tesla was.
Tesla realized that there's twoenergies.
Einstein could never get hishead around the fact that
there's two energies.
He was stuck on electromagneticenergy, which is fine, but
there's two energies.
You can't explain the universejust by one energy.
(49:23):
And again, tesla began withelectromagnetic energy, ac
electricity and later in hislife he graduated to scalar
energy.
So this and, if I may and I'mnot throwing rocks at anybody
this is the stumbling blocktoday in academia.
There's two energies.
(49:44):
You have to accept both.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
You only can explain the universe by try to prove
intelligent life by virtue of.
Are they responding to ourradio, our electromagnetic
frequencies?
Are we able to see signs ofintelligent life?
And I think you know, guys,what if we're not even on the
same wavelength?
We're sending out radio wavesand expecting them to respond to
(50:21):
us.
What if?
What if that's like you know metrying to communicate to you
with bumblebee, you know, byjust, and it may in fact be
totally legitimate form ofcommunication, but you don't
understand bumblebee, you don'tuse bumblebee anymore.
So how are you going tocommunicate me?
That has nothing to do withwhether or not you're
intelligent, it just has to dowith you don't speak bumblebee.
(50:43):
So it strikes me that scalar iskind of the same thing in a way
, if my crude analogy that howcan we even talk about something
or expect to utilize somethingthat we can't even begin to have
a conversation about withoutsomebody going?
That's Lululand folks, becauseit sounds crazy, right, in a
(51:07):
contemporary framework it soundscrazy.
How do you get past that?
Speaker 3 (51:13):
That's an emotional roadblock and unless you can
think through this, you'llalways have that emotional
roadblock roadblock and unlessyou can think through this,
you'll always have thatemotional roadblock.
I guess I could encouragepeople to read Tesla and look at
his work in Colorado Springsand Long Island, in which he had
free energy towers and he wasable to harness the energy of
the stars through these towers.
So it's valid.
(51:35):
These are scientificinstruments that can control
this energy.
If it's an instrument, thenyou're working through at an
elementary level to learn thisnew science.
This is a new science.
(52:05):
Tessa had to start and he had to.
If you will, learn radiantenergy.
He made his mistakes.
We all make our mistakes, butyou have to be humble and say
I'm going to start.
This is a new branch of physicsand I realize it's different
than that of electricity and I'mwilling to be humble and I'm
willing to start.
This is a new branch of physicsand I realize it's different
than that of electricity and I'mwilling to be humble and I'm
willing to learn.
If you can do that, you'll be agreat scientist.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Well, it strikes me that anyone that is a person of
faith ought to be able to dothat.
You know, I mean, I like tothink of myself as being someone
that realizes I don't have itall figured out, and it sure
would be nice to startunderstanding it a little more,
I guess.
Ultimately, so is there.
Does scalar energy turn on theability to form our own
(52:50):
nutrients?
Even I see that as one of yourquestions as well.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
Yes, yes Again, if I refer to this, by the way, I
only use photographs.
When I use this instrument, Inever use a chemical.
This is non-physical.
What do I mean If I use thisphotograph of riboflavin?
It has me, it's an energy field, it's intelligence.
So the intelligence ofriboflavin goes into me and I
(53:24):
receive my nutrition throughinstructions intelligence, not
chemicals.
There's two ways to receivenutrients Biochemically, or
through food or protein shake,or through energy, through
scalar energy.
This is how I receive mynutrients energetically.
(53:46):
By the way, this process isserved to suppress my appetite.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
Interesting.
So there's actually a dietphotograph.
Essentially is what it comesdown to.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
So, yeah, many people on my program say that they no
longer have these hunger painsbecause throughout the day, 24
hours a day, they're receivingnutrients.
And when you receive nutrients,your body has that set point or
has that trigger and it says,well, I received all the
nutrients I need energeticallyand we're not hungry, so people
(54:23):
can miss a meal.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
Tom, there's so much more we have to talk about.
I hope we can get togetheragain and talk more, because I
am a believer that I do not knowvery much at all in this world
and I would like to know more.
And you are on to something.
Obviously you do not comeacross as a crackpot at all.
You actually do come across tome, at least as a prophet of
(54:48):
someone that is just trying tofigure out something that it's
difficult to figure out.
Yes, because it forces us tothink differently.
But as someone that comes fromthe theater, I know what it's
all about learning to thinkdifferently.
But as someone that comes fromthe theater, I know what it's
all about learning to thinkdifferently, because every play
is different and every day isdifferent.
And people that tell me I don'tlike surprises, I always look
at it and think what is wrongwith you that you don't like
(55:09):
surprises.
So, but thank you so much foryour time, Tom.
My guest today has been TomPalladino.
He's a scalar energy researcherbased in Florida, and the
scalar energy is the fundamentallife force found everywhere in
the world.
You can think of it as chi, asprana, mana, life force, pyramid
(55:29):
, energy, the force.
You can think of it any way youwant to, but it is all around
us, and if you want to deny itsexistence after talking with Tom
, I have to tell you you aredenying coffee.
So wake up and smell the coffee, because it is everywhere.
Right, Tom, Agree with that, Isthat okay?
Speaker 3 (55:49):
Yeah, please.
Thank you, well spoken.
Speaker 2 (55:52):
You've been listening to and watching, hopefully,
Frame of Reference Profiles inLeadership and, Tom, it's been
my pleasure.
Truly.
Thank you so much for your time.
And, Tom, it's been my pleasure.
Truly Thank you so much foryour time, and I want to learn
more about all those devicesbehind you Because I did see is
there a website or whatnot, Tom,that we can point people to?
They want to know more.
Speaker 3 (56:13):
Scalarlitecom S-C-A-L-L-I-E-R.
Scalarlitecom.
Speaker 2 (56:17):
Okay, and these are.
It's at least sort of a primerright of how you can at least
start the journey tounderstanding what this is and
how it works.
Speaker 3 (56:27):
By the way, I offer anybody in the world 15 days of
free sessions.
So if you take me up on it,you're going to email us your
photograph.
Okay, I'll talk with you for 15days, okay.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
Scalarlitecom.
Excellent, thank you, tom.
I appreciate it.
We'll look forward to talkingto you again.
We'll figure something out, ifthat's okay with you, please.
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (56:46):
Okay, let's do it again, okay.
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