February 27, 2025 • 49 mins
This episode delves into the complexities of 2025 and the interplay between personal struggles and societal change. Antowan and Rauel emphasize the importance of humility, open dialogue, and education as essential tools in overcoming division and fostering a compassionate society.
• Discussing feelings of anticipation and anxiety for 2025
• Reflecting on the importance of family and community
• Addressing personal losses and mental health concerns
• The role of honesty and vulnerability in fostering unity
• Exploring the critical need for education and awareness
• Sharing stories of resilience and hope for societal change
• Encouraging listeners to embrace their narratives for healing
Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And let's have it.
Let's have what, man, oh, oh,we're going to have getting
together, the family ofreverends is going to get.
We have been vacationing, Iwish we were vacationing right
bro.
So we have been taking in theworld of entertainment.
We call it a hiatus.
(00:20):
We have been on hiatus, sodoesn't that?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
sound fancy a hiatus.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
We have been on hiatus, so doesn't that sound
fancy.
I think you know if we're on ahiatus, where's my mint julep or
my you?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
know scotch and seltzer, Because any hiatus.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I go on, should have at least one of those.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Or brand new old-fashioned.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I'm from Wisconsin, right, so at least feel rested,
right Pretty much.
But no, we've just beenslacking.
I guess that's what we've been.
We've been on slackvation orslackcation, but we're back.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
We're back, bro, we're back time with the time
with family isn't so important.
You know, that's what it's allabout.
You know, uh, you know theholiday season, just uh, taking
time for self and uh, justregrouping, really just uh,
finishing up the work of, like,the last couple of months.
You know, of the end of theyear, of course, you're always
just trying to solidify andfinish up the things from the
2024.
And, of course, now coming into2025, coming in with three
(01:14):
hands and it's just like, okay,this is a year.
You know, in our realm it hasbeen declared the year of
manifestation.
So you know, me and my ministryand the people that are walking
with us, we are walking andbelieving and trusting that the
promises of God will manifest inour lives.
So that's where we are, man, wejust get hearts of expectation
and we are just, we're reallyexcited for what's going to
(01:36):
happen.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Amen, you know, and we are, boy.
This is 2024 was such a year ofups and downs.
My wife's been struggling witha lot of health issues
throughout the year.
We lost my mother-in-law afteryears of struggling with
dementia and just failing healthcongenitive heart failure you
(02:03):
know.
So life is life, right, I meanyou just you have ups and downs,
you have hard times, you havegreat times, but then you know,
america is where America is atnow too, and you know whether
you're, you know, an avid MAGAsupporter or you're, you know,
ultra liberal or somewhere inbetween, which you know I'm, I
(02:26):
guess I've always thought ofmyself as being the guy that's
watching both sides going.
Well, that makes sense.
That makes sense.
Oh, that's really stupid.
Oh, that's terrible, you know,and the thing that worries me is
that there just aren't enoughpeople doing that anymore.
You're either all one or allthe other, and if you, you know,
even think about that, theremight be truth on the other side
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of the equation.
You're a heretic that should beburned, you know, it's just I.
So that's my question today iswhere are we now, you know.
So we, we have, we're what?
Four weeks into the new year2025.
What, what do you think 2025looks like for you?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Well, just all we can do.
It's going to require someprayer this year, that's for
sure.
Just based on the today's, the25th, you know, as of the 20th
it's like okay, here we go.
But you know, it's just.
You know we have to just.
You know, from a Christianstandpoint, a kingdom eyeball
standpoint, we just have tobelieve for good things.
(03:28):
We have to pray for theleadership of the country.
But, yes, the words from theirmouths are things are going to
be tough.
You know we see some of theactions already taking place.
You know we see that the CivilRights Act basically just got
wiped out and the thing is a lotof people don't realize how
much that document affects them.
Yes, you may be not a person ofcolor, but there were articles
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within that document thatactually gave protections to
white women and other people.
You know what I mean.
So it's like a lot of peopledon't realize that they've done
this thing to themselves.
The sad part is what we aregoing to see, and I hope people
can just come to a realizationand just not let pride kill them
(04:11):
, because a lot of people aregoing to realize that they were
wrong in their judgment, theywere wrong in their vote.
But instead of saying, hey, Iwas wrong, they're going to
suffer in silence and die.
All benefits are going to betaken away, just a lot of
privileges and things.
They're going to realize that,hey, the very thing that I was
voting against, I'm actually inthat group and instead of saying
(04:32):
I'm wrong, they're going tojust suffer in silence and die.
Versus saying, hey, that'swrong, it's okay to change your
mind, it's okay to say I waswrong and we got to give people,
we want to give people thegrace to say that and we just
hope that, uh, people are ableto say that this year hey, I was
wrong, I made a mistake, youknow?
Uh, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, yeah because that I don't know about you.
But, uh, my, uh, my life hasbeen filled with some pretty big
doozies, you know, of wrongnessand, uh, you know I look, I
second that yeah yeah, it's justlike wow, what was I thinking?
you know, and, and you know, youlook around and so many people
(05:12):
are you know, how did cya becomea thing?
Right, cya became a thing thateveryone knows what it means
because that's the modusoperandi, the mo, of the vast
majority of people in the world.
Um, I, I, you know, I'm,unfortunately, I think that's
true.
I don't have the statistics infront of me, but I'm willing to
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be challenged.
Anyone's listening wants tochallenge me with real numbers
on that, please do.
But it does seem to be.
The way of the world is to justcya, and to me that is like the
weakest of weak things that aperson can do in in retrospect.
Because if you can't own yourmistakes, if you can't own, you
know, get married, you know, andfind out how easy it is to just
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maintain that you wereabsolutely right and you, my
lady, are just absolutely wrong,that you're going to be
divorced.
It's just, it's going to happen, it can't not happen, so, and
you're going to still take yourpart of the problem with you.
You know wherever you go foryour next landing.
So can we get to the pointwhere we as a country which is
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what made america great?
You know, we want to reallytalk about what.
What made America great is.
Our country was formed on abunch of regular people for the
most part.
Yeah, a lot of leaders werelandowners.
I get all that.
Some of them were slave owners,for goodness sakes, you know so
.
But the common folk that foughtthat war that, you know, burned
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down the kingdom that was GreatBritain right, took it to task
and accomplished revolution.
They were common, ordinarypeople and all of those guys
knew that it could be better.
They knew that what they hadright now could be better and
they owned their mistakes whenthey, you know, lost a battle,
when they, whatever, they ownedtheir mistakes.
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And we don't teach that enoughthat it's okay to screw up.
Don't lie about it.
Don't lie to yourself, don'tlie to me.
You screwed up.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Now you know if we make screwing up so
reprehensible.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
If we punish people so horribly for screwing up,
then they're going to learn.
Why should I even bother tryingto do good, you know?
Because doing the good thing,admitting that I did the good
thing, you know I'd get punishedjust as badly for it.
So there's got to be somereward to doing a good thing,
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which is telling the truth,right?
You don't punish a child somuch for telling the truth that
they think, well, I'm nevergoing to do that again, never,
ever, ever, that would hurt waytoo much.
But if you say, thank you fortelling me that, john, John
let's look at what happenedthere.
Why did you do that?
Why do you think you felt likethat was a good option for you,
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right?
And why aren't we doing that inpublic forums?
Why aren't we doing when peopleare yelling at each other about
?
You know, critical race theory?
You know where are the peoplethat can just sit down and say
excuse me a minute, but do youknow what critical race theory
is?
Well, no, I don't.
I really don't.
Well, why are you so adamantagainst it if you don't even
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know what it is?
So because the vast majority ofpeople are really don't know,
know they've been told by peoplethat they trust that it's
something bad.
So they're, and because theytrust those people, they fight
hard against it, but they don'tknow what it is.
So that's, that's where, to me,where we need to be in america
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is I've I I hope that this yearholds out people learning how to
talk to each other.
As you say, the humility comesfrom admitting I was wrong doing
this.
I think we were wrong, honestly, all of us that were hoping
that Harris would get through.
I think we were wrong to letthe focus largely be about a
(09:02):
woman's rights to her body, notto say that isn't an important
thing, that that wasn't itshouldn't have been the
foundational.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
yeah, I mean to have it be the centerpiece of the
discussion instead of the, youknow, just confronting the evil
of you know what, what waswhat's going on in us, and
combating the lies.
So I, you know, I completelyagree.
There's a lot to be talkedabout in the whole combating the
lies.
So I, you know, I completelyagree, there's a lot to be
talked about in the whole areaof the right to life, the right
to choice.
(09:30):
All of that needs to bediscussed.
But we're going off target.
So I hope we get that humilitythat that says I think I think
we can do better.
Um, I think I, this is what Idid wrong, and I hope we can
also get to the point where wewant to learn again, because
there's so many people are justbuying.
You know like, we're so farinto the you know subway that we
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can't even realize that.
You know there's a stairway,sir.
We can go up and see what'soutside of the subway.
You know we can get off thetrain here and we can go up
those steps and we can seewhat's what's at this stop and
we're not, we're just staying onthe subway.
You know just, so many are justin the tunnel and in the tunnel
and it's going faster and it'sgoing faster, it's going pretty
(10:16):
soon.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
There's not going to be any stops and that's where,
again, we uh, we definitely,like you, say, we have to get
off that right now.
And again, it's going to startwith you know, when we talk
about you know, like we werejust talking about giving people
the grace to not beat them upwhen that person says, hey, I'm
wrong about this, or I misjudgedthis, or I had the wrong
information about this.
You know, of course, instead ofjust saying, hey, we told you
(10:38):
this, that and the other is justsimply now, ok, now that you
see what is, won't you cometogether and let's try to fix
this thing?
You know, of course, for MartinLuther King's birthday you know
the celebratory day, which wason the 20th I spoke at an event
and I came from a scripturePhilippians 2, 3 through 5,
where Paul Apostle Paul.
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He was saying esteem othershigher than yourselves.
And then, of course, that andif and I kind of just kind of
talked about how you know that'sa call to action, it really is.
You know, if we can, if we canactually begin to have that
mindset in this country toesteem others higher than
ourselves, because, like yousaid, we are in a CYA
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environment, everybody wants tocover, they cover, they Right
and, of course, if we can, if wecan come out of that mindset
and just simply say, hey, youknow what I was wrong.
Or even in the fact that we'rein this instance where we people
tend to say, okay, that personmade a bad mistake, they made
poor judgment, they made poordecisions in their life.
That's justice, that's whatthey get for not being raised
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the way I was raised and we gotto stop we have.
When Paul says that he's like,hey, we got to go back and reach
people, bring people up.
If we see that brotherstruggling, let's go get him.
We see that sister struggling,we got to go and bring her out.
We got to help.
We got to esteem others higherthan ourselves.
And if we could actually cometo that type of mindset, a lot
of the things in this countrythat exists.
(12:04):
Uh, john, pastor john beveresaid this the the church is
under attack and it's underattack by the church.
You got fractions of the churchattacking the church as a whole
with their because they want us.
And we see this live beinglived out right now.
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Where things are, people areforcing their perceived way of
life onto others and it's like,if you don't have what I have,
if you didn't have the educationI have, if you didn't come up
in this upbringing, if you justdidn't, if you didn't learn, if
you, it's shame on you that youlearned these things later in
life.
You know, it's just again.
If we could begin to just say,man, I was wrong.
(12:49):
To just say man, I was wrongBecause, like we, I applaud
those like you know, there'ssome white supremacists that
I've seen speak and they say howthey were radicalized and they,
but they repent, they come outof it and they say, yeah, I was
wrong about this.
And if we can get more and moreand more people to do that, the
country will start to take adifferent shape.
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You know, of course it.
The country will start to takea different shape, you know, of
course, and just same as on theother end, you know, there has
been harm inflicted and therehas.
Even myself, I had to come pastsome preconceived notions that
we've talked about in previousepisodes and, of course, this,
what we're talking about, thatability to say I was wrong,
that's what brought you and Itogether, yeah, saying hey.
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You know, I want to know moreabout you, I want to know more
about what you think.
I want to know, not just you.
I want to get why people thinkthe way they think on that side,
just like you asked me on thisside.
But if we can, again thedialogue has to start taking
forth now.
We're going to have to boldlyforce these conversations now
Because, again, every stream ofevery stream of, let's say, well
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, we know that all streams ofrevenue for the advancement of
color people being cut off, thatmeans resources and all these
other things are being cut off.
So it's like we're going tohave to have people reaching
across the aisle to say I needto know more from you in order
to better help you, and and viceversa, because again, we can no
longer, uh, we can't live.
All these things are based onlies and we got to get past the
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lie.
We got to get to the truth, asyou just said what do you think?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
how do you determine?
How do you determine whethersomething is true or not?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
How do you determine whether something is true or not
?
Me, yeah, in present day, whenI'm told something, I line it up
with the word of God.
I'm like what does the Biblesay about this thing?
It's just that simple.
What does the Bible say aboutthis?
Because, you know, the Biblesays let God be true and every
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man a liar.
And, of course, if we weretalking just using the political
realm, if we're talkingRepublican, Democrat, they both
tell lies.
They both do.
You know, and it's just and ofcourse how they say you vote
according to the lie that bestfits you.
But regardless of what is beingsaid, I'm like what does the
Bible say about this?
There's a pastor, his name isPastor LC Green.
He passed away a few years agoand he was mentoring me in
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ministry and one of the thingshe said was hey, when you're
asked a question, don't feellike you have to answer it on
the spot, but go and research it.
If you're being told somethingin like, say in conversation, go
and research it, just say,don't be afraid to say, say I
don't know, because you know,out of pride, we'll start
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talking there.
Before you know it, ourperception becomes truth and
then, just like that there is awhole nother narrative created.
So he was like go see what theword says about it and let the
Holy Spirit give you the wordsto say in it, because again you
know, again that's where wherewe are now.
A lot of personal perceptionshave been created into these
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narratives and the narrativeshave become reality for some
people.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah.
So just yeah, I, you know, I, I.
I just had a talk with a friendof mine this morning and it was
interesting because we talked,he, he.
We always end up baiting eachother into the
Republican-Democrat thing andI'm like, dude, you know, I'm
not a Republican.
I'm not a Democrat, politiciansare liars.
I'm not going to align myselfwith one party or the other, but
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at some point it came up thatthe Democrats are in his mind.
Democrats are.
They have to like you better,toe the line exactly or you're
out, whereas the Republicans area much bigger tent.
And I thought to myself boy,that is contrary to everything I
see.
But I wouldn't argue thatbecause it would just be a big,
you know, black hole argument.
But it's always interesting thatwhen we think we're right,
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absolutely right, we don't everlook for how we might be wrong.
We don't ever look for how wemight be wrong, and so that to
me is like the key things inleadership that I have not seen
in years and years is leadersthat are able to say you know, I
don't know.
I'm going to have to look atthat more closely.
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And the other thing, going backto kind of what we were talking
about before, is leaders thatsay you know what?
I was wrong.
I tried to it, made that pointwhen talking with this person
and I said you know, that's thething I've never liked about
Trump is that he I've neverheard him say he was wrong, and
he thought about it for a minuteand he said well, he did.
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He admitted that he was wrongwith people that he appointed
the first time around, because,you know, they ended up stabbing
him in the back and I thoughtto myself that's really not what
we're talking about here.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
No.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
But okay, okay, you think that's an example of we're
really talking about in 2025 iswe now have gone from a war
about political substance to awar on the soul of America, the
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heart of who we are, who we wantto be, who we will be as a
people.
People you know, and we havebeen a people that has on a
freaking Statue of Liberty saysyou know, give me your tired,
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your poor, your wretched, refuse, yearning to be free.
That's who we said in 1887, orwhatever Somebody fact, check me
on that date.
But when that statue gotinstalled, me on that date.
But when that statue gotinstalled, that's the plaque
that we put onto it.
How far have we gotten away fromthe soul of that plaque, the
heart of that plaque, to wherewe are today?
That one of our key issues wasbuilding a wall strong enough to
keep all of those murderers andrapists and you know it's like
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what you know, if you took theexample of the millions of
people that came through, thenumber of murderers, rapists and
whatnot that were part of thatcontingency because I wouldn't
argue that they weren't part ofthat that that group of people,
I bet you it's a lowerpercentage than what's here now,
okay, I bet you overall ratioto ratio can't prove that.
Would have to do some dataresearch.
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But you know, again, we're onthe subway tunnel.
You know I'm not going to.
Don't confuse me with a fox.
You know it's like we can't factcheck anything anymore.
That's wrong and I get.
Fact checking is a tough thingtoo, because who's the fact
checker?
Right, if you're going to dofact checking, you better have a
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fact checker that's reallycommitted to facts and not just
enforcing their you know theiragenda, whatever that agenda may
be.
So I think that's what I'mhoping for in 2025, that the
real men, women, people of Godthat really want to know the
truth, that really want to alignthemselves with compassion and
dignity and respect and caringfor one another.
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You know the first Johnscripture beloved let us love
one another for everyone.
Everyone that loves is born ofGod and knows God.
If we just do that, if we justdo that, everything gets so much
better because it's right atour fingertips.
But we've got to travel as crapand just be loving, be caring,
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be compassionate, be light inthe midst of this dark subway
tunnel.
Yeah, I mean, it's all in there.
But you and I both know youcan't really do that in a lot of
circles because people will sayoh, here it comes again,
another Bible.
Thumper Break.
Come on, hypocrite, bring it.
You know, because we have been.
There are so many freakingChristians around here that I go
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.
Who put you in a pulpit?
You know who the heck gave youthe right to call yourself a man
or woman of God.
Give me a freaking break.
So I get it.
I get it.
I get it.
It's a tough book to carry.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
But, and the thing is , it's like the book is
basically a mirror.
The Bible is a mirror and itshows you the ugly.
You and a lot of people don'twant to look at the ugly them.
No, of course, like I said,when I actually got saved and
started looking at the word, itshowed me the ugly me, and I
just praise God that he gave mea heart to repent and be
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baptized and be saved and beable to admit my wrongs and
confess my sins, that I'll behealed.
You know what I mean and butyou know I was talking to I
think I mentioned this before ina previous episode, but you
know it's like.
You know I was at a conferencein this previous episode, but
you know it's like I was at aconference and this African
pastor, he made a point.
He was saying the Bible in thehands of Westerners is, you know
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, it's dangerous and, of course,because what's happening now,
it's like.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Don't do this at home , people.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, what I mentioned on Sunday I mean not
Sunday, but on Monday, on the20th.
At that event I was like, if wecan start living more by
biblical principle and less bypersonal preference, we'll start
to move the needle in thekingdom and we'll start to see
the kingdom of God manifest.
Because again it's like it'sall about you know, my way is
right and of course now thesethings are being forced on us, a
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lot of things.
You know, like you werementioning the quote that's on
the Statue of Liberty.
It's basically true, as long asyou do what we say do.
If you do what we say do, orhow we say do it, it applies.
But we are in a space wherepeople are feeling threatened
and people just want to imposetheir way of life, their
perceived way of life, ontoothers.
And you know, and again I feellike the country has been taken
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hostage, has been bamboozled,because a lot of people have
been put into a stronghold or orfear mongered, into a way of
thinking like, oh yeah, this isbad, they are bad and this is
bad, but they're quickly goingto see what's true and what's
not, and again, it's just whenthat day comes.
We just hope that they have theability to say I'm sorry, or
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the ability to say I was wrong.
And uh, when we can, again, wecan live by biblical principle,
less by personal preference.
Well, this thing will workitself out, you know, because
again I don't want to say Idon't want to.
Just, you know, paint over that.
Oh, it'll work itself out.
But the hope, the Holy spiritof God will start to move when
the hearts of the people repentand turn back to him.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Well, and will we be the kind of people that they
feel safe enough?
I mean, fear and this kind ofwarmongering and whatnot only
works in an environment wherepeople don't feel safe, Because
if you don't feel safe, you do alot of irrational things.
If you don't feel safe, you doa lot of irrational things.
And, quite frankly, I think alot of us have made it not safe
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for folks to voice the thingsthey're afraid of.
When you're talking about thingslike we want to shut down the
border because all these rapistsand murderers, we've got to
keep them out, which was one ofthe main messages.
It still is.
That's why we've got to sendall these troops down there to
guard it, to keep all theserapists and murderers out.
But what they don't show you isthe stats of the number of
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those people versus the numberof people that are just coming
for a decent chance to make aliving.
They want to come and earnmoney and so many people that I
know that are, you know, Latinxthat are earning minimal wage or
slightly above minimum wage andliving with, you know, large
groups of people so that theycan send as much of it home as
they possibly can to theirfamilies so that their families
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back home can have a better life.
I mean, they're some of themost self-sacrificing people I
know, some of the most lovingpeople.
I know because of what they'retrying to do, and now we're
going to hurt them.
And are we even thinking farenough to realize that?
Well, you know who's going todo all the cleaning that these
folks are doing for us?
Who's going to do all thecooking that these folks are
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doing, who's going to like?
This past summer we had cablecompanies putting fiber in in
area and there were a bunch ofhispanic men that were digging
holes in the 90 plus degreeweather, digging big, honking
holes like shoulder depth holesso that stuff could get pushed
through.
And they there's not a whiteguy among them.
There's not a single white guy,because no white guy in the
world wants to do that job right.
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So here we are now with this.
Okay, we come good, now we gotthis done.
But between that and betweentariffs alone, when I think
about tariffs, does anyoneunderstand how tariffs work?
You know exactly.
It's just you know.
And does anyone you know?
When we're combating that'swhat's the other thing like in
the whole election process,saying you know?
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Vice president har Harris wasthe borders are.
Oh my God, why didn't that getknocked down immediately?
Borders are.
Do you know what a vicepresident does?
Have you taken civics classever?
Because I think high schoolershave to take civics class.
Vice president basically doessquat.
That's why he himself called itthe most meaningless job in the
world, talking about JD Vance.
(25:53):
So we have to have a way tolovingly, compassionately,
humbly, respectfully, leadpeople to think about things.
Maybe that's the part I hopeand pray for the most in 2025,
that we learn that it's okay tothink about things, that it's
(26:14):
okay to challenge our ownbeliefs about things and say,
yeah, I just don't know.
That's part of, like you said,part of the reason I wanted to
have the conversations with youis I just don't know what it is
to be a black man in America.
I can never know that, just asI will never know what it is to
be a woman in America, just as Iwill never know a lot of things
.
But I would like to understandit, and I would like to
(26:38):
understand that because I thinkit makes me a better person to
understand it instead of justlike have this picture of it,
that I keep making things fitinto the picture, even though
it's, you know, not even lookinglike a picture anymore, because
it's got so much fuzz and crapon it that you're not even sure
what the original looked like.
I don't know, man, I hope wecan move the needle.
(27:03):
I hope if anyone's listening andwatching or whatnot that if
you've got ideas, if you thinkthings you'd like us to talk
about or you want to get it inon the do, because the only way
we're going to get through thisis together.
We've got to figure out a wayto stop being Republican and
Democrat and stop being whateverand start being people that
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look at other people and saythat's not right.
That person shouldn't betreated like that.
Yes, we're just going to makethe problem worse if we keep
letting that happen, becausewhen you want to talk about any
of our social problems that wehave in America the things that
are not making America great,they start with those
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conversations making them better.
Start with those conversationsbeing had to say you know, know
what?
We have screwed this up royally.
I admit it, and it wasn't justthe democrats, wasn't just we
screwed this up royally.
How are we going to fix it?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
yes, and, and you're exactly right, and I just wish
we could come to equitablesolutions to the problems,
because you know, like, whenthey, like you said, getting rid
of, uh, not just takingrepublican and democrat out of
it, because at the end of theday, I'm like you said, getting
rid of uh, not just takingrepublican and democrat out of
it, because at the end of theday, I'm like you know people
say, oh, we don't want to go, wedon't want the government, all
in our business.
There are some things that Ijust think need to be universal,
across the board voting rights,you know, basic civil and human
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rights, uh, and I would even befor the monitoring of our
natural resources, you know,like, if.
However, if they like say, youknow, of course, like water
consumption, all these differentkind of things, right things to
minimize waste, think I wouldbe all for it.
However, in this, in thiscontext, I have to say that, you
(28:45):
know, I would be all for it ifit could be all dispersed in an
equitable manner, not this groupgetting more than the other.
I would be.
So, from a federal standpoint,I would be all for it.
But now, of course, the powersthat be now are saying, hey, I
want to give it back to thestates, I want to give it back
to the states, I want to give itback to the states.
(29:07):
And again we've seen what ishappening in the states.
The states are creating theselaws.
It's like how can one thingexist in Georgia and not exist
in Wisconsin, or vice versa?
And that's where we are, and wegot all these individual ways
of thinking.
But majority of those statesare on the same agenda.
(29:29):
They're on the same path.
They have the same agenda.
They're on the same path.
They have the same mindset.
They have one goal in mind andat the end of the day, I always
say it's race, and money is whatthis thing comes down to.
Like I said, the currentadministration.
They just cut out the CivilRights Act, basically, and and
they're basically cutting offall avenues of resources to
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people of color, and they'vegiven corporations the right and
the ability, or even the excuse, to say, well, we don't no
longer have to offer DIinitiatives, we don't know how
to have that anymore, and buteverybody's doing this out of
fear.
They don't even realize thatthey.
They realize it, but it's likethey're going along with it,
(30:14):
because a lot of times peopleneed an excuse to do what they
really want to do anyway.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Well, people are running the show or know exactly
what they're doing.
Yeah it's yeah it's really easyand part of it is the the chess
playing that goes on in all ofit.
You know we'll move.
You know, look at stuff likethe Gulf of America.
Right, the Gulf of America wasone of those things where you
(30:39):
know we're going to annexGreenland and we're going to.
You know Canada is going tobecome the 51st state.
All that stuff that is like, so, like inflammatory, and you
know idiots that we are, many ofus just get all, oh, my god,
what are they doing?
Why would they do that?
Oh, that's so stupid.
It's like I don't care what'sreally going on, because all of
(31:02):
that kinds of stuff it'sstrategically done to be able to
get you to not see what they'rereally trying to do.
You know, it's like there it is, it's that whole thing that a
magician does.
You know, they'll always tellyou.
If you want to really know howa trick works, watch the hand
that they don't want you towatch, right, because they'll do
something with this hand.
That's really very interesting.
But it's the hand that's notcalling any attention to itself
(31:25):
that's really getting the magicdone.
You that's not calling anyattention to itself, that's
really getting the magic done,absolutely.
And I'll be the first to admitI'm horrible at doing that.
The only thing I can do is,from my acting background, I go
I wonder who benefits from thisthe most?
And it comes back to RalphAbernathy man.
(31:46):
I'm so thankful that as a youngcollege kid in Waukesha,
wisconsin, ralph Abernathy couldcome and talk to one of our
classes.
We had convocations and hebasically distinguished lecture
thing.
And if anybody doesn't knowRalph Abernathy, look him up.
But he was a trusted lieutenantof Martin Luther King's and was
the chosen successor for MLKgoing forward.
(32:09):
And I didn't even know that atthe time.
Ralph Albert who's this guy?
And then you know finally waslike oh, I probably should
listen to this guy.
So, anyways, the keynote of hiswhole speech is that white guys
remember that the differences inthis world are not between the
whites and the blacks, they'renot between the yellows and the
reds, they're not between thepink polka dotted and the purple
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striped people.
The differences in this worldare between the haves and the
have-nots.
It's the haves' responsibilityto provide opportunities and the
methods for people that arehave-nots to become haves, and
it is the have-nots'responsibility to avail
themselves of thoseopportunities and to use them as
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responsibly and diligently aspossible.
I'm paraphrasing, but the gistof that is yeah, our world is
not built that way, our worlddoes not work that way, and that
is what will make America great.
If anything will make anycountry, any world, great, it
will be haves and have-notsfunctioning in that manner that
there would.
You know, I don't care ifthere's an oligarchy or not an
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oligarchy, if the oligarchy iscommitted towards building up
the have-nots and the have-notsunderstand that the way for them
to be a have is to takeadvantage of these opportunities
and use them as much aspossible.
Fantastic, that's the way ithave is to take advantage of
these opportunities and use themas much as possible.
Fantastic, that's the way it'sworking.
But that's why all the stuffyou're talking about, all the
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programs that are disappearing,all the grant for things that
are disappearing.
They are making it so much moredifficult for us to achieve
that world, because the haves inthis equation have decided that
they will have more if they cutoff more of that stuff, which
is their own stupidity, becauseany half with half a brain will
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recognize that the way to makemore money is not to keep more
money.
The way to make more money isto give more money for things
that will give other people moremoney, so that we all have more
money.
And someday we'll get to belike Star Trek and we won't even
have this stupid money stuffanymore and it'll just be
according to capability.
(34:16):
You know you work, you're takencare of, don't worry about it.
You want that?
Fantastic, go for it.
That's fine.
We love that.
That's great.
What are you doing today?
Oh, I'm going to work on making, you know, a better kind of
more tasty water.
Oh, fantastic, good.
What are you doing today?
Nothing, okay.
Well, you've got to go dosomething, because you can't
just sit there and not doanything.
(34:37):
You know everything's takencare of for you, not just so you
can sit around and do nothing.
You've got to be doingsomething for the betterment of
all of us.
You know, I mean I'moversimplifying it, but goodness
gracious, that's if we couldget the human heart of man.
You know, heart is deceitful,above all things, and
desperately wicked.
Who can know it?
Well, I know it.
I know my heart very well and Ican tell you, if I didn't know
(34:59):
how to say it, I was wrong and Idon't know.
You know, I don't think myheart would be in nearly as good
shape as it is.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, and it's like I love what you were saying, like
how you know, it's like theyhave all these different
distractions that are going on.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Like you said, Greenland starting to fight with
Panama and all these differentkinds of things.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
You know they're all distractions and again, I just
can't help.
This is my personal thoughtthis administration is the money
grab, their friend.
America is about to be bled dry, and that's what I believe.
And, like you said, they'retaking money from the poor and
(35:45):
giving it to the rich.
And it's almost like, again, myperception, people only want
two classes Haves, have, nots.
They want to put you in thisspace and I was talking about
talking about this a couple ofyou know, in one of our earlier
(36:06):
episodes where it's like, youknow, of course, how do you
basically, you know, capture apeople, you marginalize them,
you cut off all avenues ofresources and then you
marginalize them, you kind offorce them to their own little
separate spaces, and then, ofcourse, you create laws against
them and then you agitate theminto breaking the law.
And you know, and it's like,then, of course, the laws
(36:28):
themselves.
You know they're biasly imposed.
You know, like, say, january6th, prior to January 6th, there
was a law about, oh, you know,of course, remember Trump.
He was like, he hated the BlackLives Matter movement, so he
created laws about gathering andthings like that, but those
things were not, they were notimposed.
However, he let those peoplefree, but that's a whole other
(36:51):
thing.
Yeah, yeah, but uh, it's likethat's a whole other thing.
But it's like, yeah, but it'slike when we can get to the
space where we, you know, like,say, we look at the hand that
the magician doesn't want us tosee, is where we can really say,
okay, oh, I see, but, but I see, I see through the smoke.
And that's where we can reallysay, ok, oh, I see, but I see, I
see through the smoke.
And that's where we, as acountry, we have to start seeing
(37:12):
through the smoke, through thegood speech.
And again, because a lot of thishate speech, it, it resonates
and we it was told by the votingnumbers A lot of people are
feeling that way.
And I'm not going to say allrepublicans are racist or all
republicans, uh, hate otherpeople, but there's, if every,
(37:33):
anything absent of love is hate.
And so if you say, hey, I agreewith giving tax cuts to the
rich, but you're sitting in aspace where you're making less
than a hundred thousand dollarsa year, I it's like, okay, you
need to.
We need a financial literacycourse.
We need to teach you whatterrorists actually are.
We need to show you, uh, theactual functions of actual
(37:56):
government.
You know what the president does, the you know judicial branch,
the executive branch, you know.
I mean we have to really getget back to education so people
can make sound choices versusgoing off of what they heard
martha say.
You know, martha said, oh, thisis that and the other.
And it's like you actuallybelieve that and you'll waste
years of your life running offon a lie.
And, like you say, if we canjust simply say I don't know and
(38:20):
I'm sorry, we can start to getsomewhere, walls will start to
come down.
With God's help With God's help.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Man.
Well, so there you have it 2025.
The work is set before us,isn't it, oh man?
But?
But I believe that a friend ofmine and I old, old friend of
mine, been friends for over 40years had lunch the other day,
and I forget who the person washe was talking about.
(38:56):
It was a podcast and thegentleman that was being
interviewed was kind of talkingabout the state of the nation
right now and the gloom and doom, darkness of you know what's
all going on with all theseexecutive orders and stuff.
He said and I it just, I, just,you know.
And the guy, finally the host,said stop it, stop it, this
(39:17):
thing's right.
Yes, it's dark, it's a hardtime.
You, you be the light, you doit, you be the light.
And I thought, yeah, it reallyis kind of that simple, isn't it
?
It's?
You know, we can sit around andthink about how horrible, how
awful this is and, oh, this isgoing to be just terrible.
And he's going to do this andthat and everything.
(39:38):
It's just like okay, but how isthat going to help us be the
light?
How is that?
I still believe wholeheartedly,like Margaret Mead said it best
you know years ago, that youknow, never underestimate the
power of a small group ofpassionate people to change the
world, because, in fact, it'sthe only thing that ever has.
(40:00):
So, be a small group, whereveryou are.
Form that small group of peoplethat get passionate about
looking at this world and saying, no, we're not going to let all
this stuff that people foughtso hard for, that television
covered of people just wantingto be able to have a decent spot
(40:20):
on a bus having dogs sicked onthem by a police chief, know
that.
Just didn't think they werehuman.
So he sucked you know sick dogson them.
He, you know, got the firedepartment to hose them down
with you know full power firehoses.
That enough of America said,saw that and said no enough, and
(40:43):
it started to change.
Wow, because we, we asAmericans said, as Americans
said, that's not who we are, andwe were again moving towards it
.
George Floyd, you know, don'tgive me this nonsense about you
know, george Floyd was not ahero.
George Floyd crystallizedsomething for America that makes
him heroic, regardless of whatother problems the poor guy had
(41:05):
throughout his life.
He crystallized just how racistwe were in a moment that again
we looked at and said videocameras showed what happened to
George Floyd by a police officerthat was unregulated, a police
officer that had the system, hadfailed him and he had failed
(41:26):
within it to keep himselfregulated and remember what his
job was.
And the anger, fury, fear,whatever took over.
And, worse than that, threeother officers watched it happen
and enough of america rose upand said no, that can't happen
anymore.
And I'll tell you what, ifanything, scared the shit out of
(41:46):
the haves.
That scared the shit out ofthem because they started seeing
just how many people startedreacting to that and marching
that with masks, people marchedand marched and marched to say
not anymore, this can't happen,and not just in america, across
the world.
So we can do it.
We do have there there.
(42:06):
There is that spirit in Americaand in the world that says no,
we just want people to have afair chance.
We just want everyone to beable to have an opportunity to
live with dignity and compassionand to be able to care for
people and be able to be lovedand be loved just.
(42:29):
We just don't need any othernonsense that says that you're
better than I am and I'm betterthan you are because of anything
.
We're not, we're just.
We're all trying to make it.
We're just trying to getthrough, we're trying to become
better.
I hope, and if you're not partof that equation, then just
please step aside so that peoplethat do want to be part of that
(42:51):
equation can make it happen,because you'll benefit Really.
If you don't want toparticipate, fine, but you'll
still benefit from that worldbeing constructed.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
And I love it, ben, and you know, and it's like you
know when we talk about you know, the issues of George Ford and
we saw the outcome of it and themovements that came forth.
You know, again thisadministration has, again, with
all these executive orders andeven prior to someone taking
office, you know, just all thesethings were just all avenues of
(43:22):
expressing yourself, lifting upyour voice, are were being cut
off, very slowly, behind thescenes being cut off and, like
we say, like you know, of course, a peaceful gathering of color
people and people of you know,people of color, is demonized.
You know, and again, we sawJanuary 6th.
(43:43):
We saw that when other cultures, other races, other people,
people start to advance, startto get ahead, start to move the
needle and I hate to say this,but it's true uh, white
supremacy is still here.
It has always been.
It just has been cloaked inother forms and other manners,
but it's starting to show itselfeven more blatantly.
(44:05):
Uh, because, again, cause againfor them to cut off the civil,
for them to eliminate the civilrights act and just gut it
completely.
That is a sign.
And the thing is now, it's likewe need people to come together.
It's like, uh, you know, whenthe Bible tells us, hey, uh, be
of good courage.
Uh, fear not, for I'm the Lord,your God, that goes before you.
(44:28):
We're going to need people ofall races to stand up and speak.
You know, I'm going toparaphrase a part of Dr Martin
Luther King's speech where hesays the voice of my enemy won't
be remembered.
It's the silence of my friendsthat's going to be remembered.
And so we can't sit silent andwe have to just say Lord, help
(44:50):
us.
And then, but also, we're in aspace, we're in a time where we
have to peacefully come together.
We have to have open hearts,open minds, talk these things
out and speak to what ishappening.
And again it's going to go backto people swallowing their pride
, saying, hey, I was wrong aboutthis thing.
But it's going to take the painof the hand that's on the
(45:13):
country right now to come downon them as well as the rest of
us, for them to see.
And some of them are going toagain say I was wrong, but some
of them are going to just sufferin silence and die.
They'd rather do that than sayI was wrong.
And when we can get, when westart to again speak in our
(45:35):
voices the right way, thecorrect way, and again, we don't
want to offend, we don't wantto antagonize, we don't want to
blame, we don't want to shame or, you know, we don't want to do
any of those things.
We just simply say, hey, I wantyou to hear what I'm saying,
and then I want to hear whatyou're saying too.
Let's put these two things onthe table and really, let's get
(45:56):
to the heart of a matter.
Let's shake out what's not true, what's nonsense.
Let's shake it out and get tothese core things that we can
come together on and start tomove on right now, because again
, but again, it is yeah, yeah,it's just going to take us.
This thing is going to we're insome interesting times and all
(46:22):
we can do is pray, pray, pray.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
There's an old friend of mine, preacher friend,
friend used to say uh, justremember to speak the truth in
love.
And then he would stop and saybecause, remember, speaking the
truth without love is too hard,speaking that love without truth
is too soft.
So speak the truth in love.
(46:45):
And that that's a hard line totoe, right, because I'm going to
tell you the truth, and it'snot without love, and it's just
like you're a piece of crap.
That's what you are.
I'm not listening to you.
Or we come and say, okay, I'mgoing to tell you the truth
because I care about you sodeeply.
That's just bullshit too.
(47:06):
I'm sorry, because you look atthat and say I don't believe
this person at all.
That's just, these are snakegales, snake oil salesman or or,
uh, you know some kind of idiot, I don't know but you know.
So either one or I really wantto help you.
I'd really do um somewhere inthe line in the middle of that
is let's try to tow that linefor 2025.
(47:27):
That says you know what?
I don't know that, I believethat I don't know that.
That's right, but show me I'mwrong.
You know, like I don't, andthat's kind of how we started
this whole thing.
Right was the.
I don't know that this is reallystupid, but I keep thinking
about the fact that.
You know, I was thinking thatall black guys like listen to
(47:48):
hip hop, you know, and they'relike rapping all the time and
you're like, hey, man, one of myfavorite bands is Journey.
You know, I'm like dude, I loveJourney too.
It's like okay.
So if we can do it on thesimple things, I think we've
been doing some harder thingsthan that too, but that was one
of the moments where I was likecool, you know.
Now I just had one of my stupidthings challenged and I finally
(48:09):
am understanding something Ididn't understand before, and
Lord knows I got so much furtherto go.
But you know, I'm on thejourney with you, dude, that's
it All right.
So next time, same place, samebat channel right and we've got
to figure out.
You know what's the nextchapter.
Look like, what are we doingtoday?
What's our modus operandi, ourMO?
(48:31):
So figure it out.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
It's like what are you going to do to move the
needle?
What are you going to do tomake a change?
What are you going to do totransform your mind?
Because you know we have totransform our minds, transform
our speech, transform ourbehaviors.
Where can you start?
Speaker 1 (48:46):
There you go, and so if you're interested in that
tune in next time, Same place,same channel for coming together
.
So, frame of reference comingtogether.
I am Raul Francis Desi-AldulaBrush and you, young man, are
Pastor Antoine J Holland Sr.
And we are trying to figure itout, america.
(49:07):
We're trying to figure it out,america.
We're trying to figure it outBecause there's no reason why we
can't all be like comingtogether.
There just isn't.
We're the only thing keeping usfrom coming together.
So do that.
Heart check, baby.
Take care.
Thanks for joining us.
Folks Been a pleasure and you,my man, always a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
All right, got you, brother, see you.
And let's have it.
Let's have what, man, oh, oh,we're going to have getting
together, the family ofreverends is going to get.
We have been vacationing, Iwish we were vacationing right
bro.
So we have been taking in theworld of entertainment.
We call it a hiatus.
(00:20):
We have been on hiatus, sodoesn't that?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
sound fancy a hiatus.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
We have been on hiatus, so doesn't that sound
fancy.
I think you know if we're on ahiatus, where's my mint julep or
my you?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
know scotch and seltzer, Because any hiatus.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I go on, should have at least one of those.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Or brand new old-fashioned.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I'm from Wisconsin, right, so at least feel rested,
right Pretty much.
But no, we've just beenslacking.
I guess that's what we've been.
We've been on slackvation orslackcation, but we're back.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
We're back, bro, we're back time with the time
with family isn't so important.
You know, that's what it's allabout.
You know, uh, you know theholiday season, just uh, taking
time for self and uh, justregrouping, really just uh,
finishing up the work of, like,the last couple of months.
You know, of the end of theyear, of course, you're always
just trying to solidify andfinish up the things from the
2024.
And, of course, now coming into2025, coming in with three
(01:14):
hands and it's just like, okay,this is a year.
You know, in our realm it hasbeen declared the year of
manifestation.
So you know, me and my ministryand the people that are walking
with us, we are walking andbelieving and trusting that the
promises of God will manifest inour lives.
So that's where we are, man, wejust get hearts of expectation
and we are just, we're reallyexcited for what's going to
(01:36):
happen.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Amen, you know, and we are, boy.
This is 2024 was such a year ofups and downs.
My wife's been struggling witha lot of health issues
throughout the year.
We lost my mother-in-law afteryears of struggling with
dementia and just failing healthcongenitive heart failure you
(02:03):
know.
So life is life, right, I meanyou just you have ups and downs,
you have hard times, you havegreat times, but then you know,
america is where America is atnow too, and you know whether
you're, you know, an avid MAGAsupporter or you're, you know,
ultra liberal or somewhere inbetween, which you know I'm, I
(02:26):
guess I've always thought ofmyself as being the guy that's
watching both sides going.
Well, that makes sense.
That makes sense.
Oh, that's really stupid.
Oh, that's terrible, you know,and the thing that worries me is
that there just aren't enoughpeople doing that anymore.
You're either all one or allthe other, and if you, you know,
even think about that, theremight be truth on the other side
(02:47):
of the equation.
You're a heretic that should beburned, you know, it's just I.
So that's my question today iswhere are we now, you know.
So we, we have, we're what?
Four weeks into the new year2025.
What, what do you think 2025looks like for you?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Well, just all we can do.
It's going to require someprayer this year, that's for
sure.
Just based on the today's, the25th, you know, as of the 20th
it's like okay, here we go.
But you know, it's just.
You know we have to just.
You know, from a Christianstandpoint, a kingdom eyeball
standpoint, we just have tobelieve for good things.
(03:28):
We have to pray for theleadership of the country.
But, yes, the words from theirmouths are things are going to
be tough.
You know we see some of theactions already taking place.
You know we see that the CivilRights Act basically just got
wiped out and the thing is a lotof people don't realize how
much that document affects them.
Yes, you may be not a person ofcolor, but there were articles
(03:50):
within that document thatactually gave protections to
white women and other people.
You know what I mean.
So it's like a lot of peopledon't realize that they've done
this thing to themselves.
The sad part is what we aregoing to see, and I hope people
can just come to a realizationand just not let pride kill them
(04:11):
, because a lot of people aregoing to realize that they were
wrong in their judgment, theywere wrong in their vote.
But instead of saying, hey, Iwas wrong, they're going to
suffer in silence and die.
All benefits are going to betaken away, just a lot of
privileges and things.
They're going to realize that,hey, the very thing that I was
voting against, I'm actually inthat group and instead of saying
(04:32):
I'm wrong, they're going tojust suffer in silence and die.
Versus saying, hey, that'swrong, it's okay to change your
mind, it's okay to say I waswrong and we got to give people,
we want to give people thegrace to say that and we just
hope that, uh, people are ableto say that this year hey, I was
wrong, I made a mistake, youknow?
Uh, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, yeah because that I don't know about you.
But, uh, my, uh, my life hasbeen filled with some pretty big
doozies, you know, of wrongnessand, uh, you know I look, I
second that yeah yeah, it's justlike wow, what was I thinking?
you know, and, and you know, youlook around and so many people
(05:12):
are you know, how did cya becomea thing?
Right, cya became a thing thateveryone knows what it means
because that's the modusoperandi, the mo, of the vast
majority of people in the world.
Um, I, I, you know, I'm,unfortunately, I think that's
true.
I don't have the statistics infront of me, but I'm willing to
(05:33):
be challenged.
Anyone's listening wants tochallenge me with real numbers
on that, please do.
But it does seem to be.
The way of the world is to justcya, and to me that is like the
weakest of weak things that aperson can do in in retrospect.
Because if you can't own yourmistakes, if you can't own, you
know, get married, you know, andfind out how easy it is to just
(05:56):
maintain that you wereabsolutely right and you, my
lady, are just absolutely wrong,that you're going to be
divorced.
It's just, it's going to happen, it can't not happen, so, and
you're going to still take yourpart of the problem with you.
You know wherever you go foryour next landing.
So can we get to the pointwhere we as a country which is
(06:19):
what made america great?
You know, we want to reallytalk about what.
What made America great is.
Our country was formed on abunch of regular people for the
most part.
Yeah, a lot of leaders werelandowners.
I get all that.
Some of them were slave owners,for goodness sakes, you know so
.
But the common folk that foughtthat war that, you know, burned
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down the kingdom that was GreatBritain right, took it to task
and accomplished revolution.
They were common, ordinarypeople and all of those guys
knew that it could be better.
They knew that what they hadright now could be better and
they owned their mistakes whenthey, you know, lost a battle,
when they, whatever, they ownedtheir mistakes.
(07:01):
And we don't teach that enoughthat it's okay to screw up.
Don't lie about it.
Don't lie to yourself, don'tlie to me.
You screwed up.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Now you know if we make screwing up so
reprehensible.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
If we punish people so horribly for screwing up,
then they're going to learn.
Why should I even bother tryingto do good, you know?
Because doing the good thing,admitting that I did the good
thing, you know I'd get punishedjust as badly for it.
So there's got to be somereward to doing a good thing,
(07:34):
which is telling the truth,right?
You don't punish a child somuch for telling the truth that
they think, well, I'm nevergoing to do that again, never,
ever, ever, that would hurt waytoo much.
But if you say, thank you fortelling me that, john, John
let's look at what happenedthere.
Why did you do that?
Why do you think you felt likethat was a good option for you,
(07:57):
right?
And why aren't we doing that inpublic forums?
Why aren't we doing when peopleare yelling at each other about
?
You know, critical race theory?
You know where are the peoplethat can just sit down and say
excuse me a minute, but do youknow what critical race theory
is?
Well, no, I don't.
I really don't.
Well, why are you so adamantagainst it if you don't even
(08:19):
know what it is?
So because the vast majority ofpeople are really don't know,
know they've been told by peoplethat they trust that it's
something bad.
So they're, and because theytrust those people, they fight
hard against it, but they don'tknow what it is.
So that's, that's where, to me,where we need to be in america
(08:40):
is I've I I hope that this yearholds out people learning how to
talk to each other.
As you say, the humility comesfrom admitting I was wrong doing
this.
I think we were wrong, honestly, all of us that were hoping
that Harris would get through.
I think we were wrong to letthe focus largely be about a
(09:02):
woman's rights to her body, notto say that isn't an important
thing, that that wasn't itshouldn't have been the
foundational.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 1 (09:10):
yeah, I mean to have it be the centerpiece of the
discussion instead of the, youknow, just confronting the evil
of you know what, what waswhat's going on in us, and
combating the lies.
So I, you know, I completelyagree.
There's a lot to be talkedabout in the whole combating the
lies.
So I, you know, I completelyagree, there's a lot to be
talked about in the whole areaof the right to life, the right
to choice.
(09:30):
All of that needs to bediscussed.
But we're going off target.
So I hope we get that humilitythat that says I think I think
we can do better.
Um, I think I, this is what Idid wrong, and I hope we can
also get to the point where wewant to learn again, because
there's so many people are justbuying.
You know like, we're so farinto the you know subway that we
(09:55):
can't even realize that.
You know there's a stairway,sir.
We can go up and see what'soutside of the subway.
You know we can get off thetrain here and we can go up
those steps and we can seewhat's what's at this stop and
we're not, we're just staying onthe subway.
You know just, so many are justin the tunnel and in the tunnel
and it's going faster and it'sgoing faster, it's going pretty
(10:16):
soon.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
There's not going to be any stops and that's where,
again, we uh, we definitely,like you, say, we have to get
off that right now.
And again, it's going to startwith you know, when we talk
about you know, like we werejust talking about giving people
the grace to not beat them upwhen that person says, hey, I'm
wrong about this, or I misjudgedthis, or I had the wrong
information about this.
You know, of course, instead ofjust saying, hey, we told you
(10:38):
this, that and the other is justsimply now, ok, now that you
see what is, won't you cometogether and let's try to fix
this thing?
You know, of course, for MartinLuther King's birthday you know
the celebratory day, which wason the 20th I spoke at an event
and I came from a scripturePhilippians 2, 3 through 5,
where Paul Apostle Paul.
(10:59):
He was saying esteem othershigher than yourselves.
And then, of course, that andif and I kind of just kind of
talked about how you know that'sa call to action, it really is.
You know, if we can, if we canactually begin to have that
mindset in this country toesteem others higher than
ourselves, because, like yousaid, we are in a CYA
(11:20):
environment, everybody wants tocover, they cover, they Right
and, of course, if we can, if wecan come out of that mindset
and just simply say, hey, youknow what I was wrong.
Or even in the fact that we'rein this instance where we people
tend to say, okay, that personmade a bad mistake, they made
poor judgment, they made poordecisions in their life.
That's justice, that's whatthey get for not being raised
(11:43):
the way I was raised and we gotto stop we have.
When Paul says that he's like,hey, we got to go back and reach
people, bring people up.
If we see that brotherstruggling, let's go get him.
We see that sister struggling,we got to go and bring her out.
We got to help.
We got to esteem others higherthan ourselves.
And if we could actually cometo that type of mindset, a lot
of the things in this countrythat exists.
(12:04):
Uh, john, pastor john beveresaid this the the church is
under attack and it's underattack by the church.
You got fractions of the churchattacking the church as a whole
with their because they want us.
And we see this live beinglived out right now.
(12:25):
Where things are, people areforcing their perceived way of
life onto others and it's like,if you don't have what I have,
if you didn't have the educationI have, if you didn't come up
in this upbringing, if you justdidn't, if you didn't learn, if
you, it's shame on you that youlearned these things later in
life.
You know, it's just again.
If we could begin to just say,man, I was wrong.
(12:49):
To just say man, I was wrongBecause, like we, I applaud
those like you know, there'ssome white supremacists that
I've seen speak and they say howthey were radicalized and they,
but they repent, they come outof it and they say, yeah, I was
wrong about this.
And if we can get more and moreand more people to do that, the
country will start to take adifferent shape.
(13:10):
You know, of course it.
The country will start to takea different shape, you know, of
course, and just same as on theother end, you know, there has
been harm inflicted and therehas.
Even myself, I had to come pastsome preconceived notions that
we've talked about in previousepisodes and, of course, this,
what we're talking about, thatability to say I was wrong,
that's what brought you and Itogether, yeah, saying hey.
(13:31):
You know, I want to know moreabout you, I want to know more
about what you think.
I want to know, not just you.
I want to get why people thinkthe way they think on that side,
just like you asked me on thisside.
But if we can, again thedialogue has to start taking
forth now.
We're going to have to boldlyforce these conversations now
Because, again, every stream ofevery stream of, let's say, well
(13:56):
, we know that all streams ofrevenue for the advancement of
color people being cut off, thatmeans resources and all these
other things are being cut off.
So it's like we're going tohave to have people reaching
across the aisle to say I needto know more from you in order
to better help you, and and viceversa, because again, we can no
longer, uh, we can't live.
All these things are based onlies and we got to get past the
(14:18):
lie.
We got to get to the truth, asyou just said what do you think?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
how do you determine?
How do you determine whethersomething is true or not?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
How do you determine whether something is true or not
?
Me, yeah, in present day, whenI'm told something, I line it up
with the word of God.
I'm like what does the Biblesay about this thing?
It's just that simple.
What does the Bible say aboutthis?
Because, you know, the Biblesays let God be true and every
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man a liar.
And, of course, if we weretalking just using the political
realm, if we're talkingRepublican, Democrat, they both
tell lies.
They both do.
You know, and it's just and ofcourse how they say you vote
according to the lie that bestfits you.
But regardless of what is beingsaid, I'm like what does the
Bible say about this?
There's a pastor, his name isPastor LC Green.
He passed away a few years agoand he was mentoring me in
(15:15):
ministry and one of the thingshe said was hey, when you're
asked a question, don't feellike you have to answer it on
the spot, but go and research it.
If you're being told somethingin like, say in conversation, go
and research it, just say,don't be afraid to say, say I
don't know, because you know,out of pride, we'll start
(15:36):
talking there.
Before you know it, ourperception becomes truth and
then, just like that there is awhole nother narrative created.
So he was like go see what theword says about it and let the
Holy Spirit give you the wordsto say in it, because again you
know, again that's where wherewe are now.
A lot of personal perceptionshave been created into these
(15:56):
narratives and the narrativeshave become reality for some
people.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah.
So just yeah, I, you know, I, I.
I just had a talk with a friendof mine this morning and it was
interesting because we talked,he, he.
We always end up baiting eachother into the
Republican-Democrat thing andI'm like, dude, you know, I'm
not a Republican.
I'm not a Democrat, politiciansare liars.
I'm not going to align myselfwith one party or the other, but
(16:22):
at some point it came up thatthe Democrats are in his mind.
Democrats are.
They have to like you better,toe the line exactly or you're
out, whereas the Republicans area much bigger tent.
And I thought to myself boy,that is contrary to everything I
see.
But I wouldn't argue thatbecause it would just be a big,
you know, black hole argument.
But it's always interesting thatwhen we think we're right,
(16:46):
absolutely right, we don't everlook for how we might be wrong.
We don't ever look for how wemight be wrong, and so that to
me is like the key things inleadership that I have not seen
in years and years is leadersthat are able to say you know, I
don't know.
I'm going to have to look atthat more closely.
(17:06):
And the other thing, going backto kind of what we were talking
about before, is leaders thatsay you know what?
I was wrong.
I tried to it, made that pointwhen talking with this person
and I said you know, that's thething I've never liked about
Trump is that he I've neverheard him say he was wrong, and
he thought about it for a minuteand he said well, he did.
(17:27):
He admitted that he was wrongwith people that he appointed
the first time around, because,you know, they ended up stabbing
him in the back and I thoughtto myself that's really not what
we're talking about here.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
No.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
But okay, okay, you think that's an example of we're
really talking about in 2025 iswe now have gone from a war
about political substance to awar on the soul of America, the
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heart of who we are, who we wantto be, who we will be as a
people.
People you know, and we havebeen a people that has on a
freaking Statue of Liberty saysyou know, give me your tired,
(18:26):
your poor, your wretched, refuse, yearning to be free.
That's who we said in 1887, orwhatever Somebody fact, check me
on that date.
But when that statue gotinstalled, me on that date.
But when that statue gotinstalled, that's the plaque
that we put onto it.
How far have we gotten away fromthe soul of that plaque, the
heart of that plaque, to wherewe are today?
That one of our key issues wasbuilding a wall strong enough to
keep all of those murderers andrapists and you know it's like
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what you know, if you took theexample of the millions of
people that came through, thenumber of murderers, rapists and
whatnot that were part of thatcontingency because I wouldn't
argue that they weren't part ofthat that that group of people,
I bet you it's a lowerpercentage than what's here now,
okay, I bet you overall ratioto ratio can't prove that.
Would have to do some dataresearch.
(19:12):
But you know, again, we're onthe subway tunnel.
You know I'm not going to.
Don't confuse me with a fox.
You know it's like we can't factcheck anything anymore.
That's wrong and I get.
Fact checking is a tough thingtoo, because who's the fact
checker?
Right, if you're going to dofact checking, you better have a
(19:33):
fact checker that's reallycommitted to facts and not just
enforcing their you know theiragenda, whatever that agenda may
be.
So I think that's what I'mhoping for in 2025, that the
real men, women, people of Godthat really want to know the
truth, that really want to alignthemselves with compassion and
dignity and respect and caringfor one another.
(19:56):
You know the first Johnscripture beloved let us love
one another for everyone.
Everyone that loves is born ofGod and knows God.
If we just do that, if we justdo that, everything gets so much
better because it's right atour fingertips.
But we've got to travel as crapand just be loving, be caring,
(20:20):
be compassionate, be light inthe midst of this dark subway
tunnel.
Yeah, I mean, it's all in there.
But you and I both know youcan't really do that in a lot of
circles because people will sayoh, here it comes again,
another Bible.
Thumper Break.
Come on, hypocrite, bring it.
You know, because we have been.
There are so many freakingChristians around here that I go
(20:41):
.
Who put you in a pulpit?
You know who the heck gave youthe right to call yourself a man
or woman of God.
Give me a freaking break.
So I get it.
I get it.
I get it.
It's a tough book to carry.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
But, and the thing is , it's like the book is
basically a mirror.
The Bible is a mirror and itshows you the ugly.
You and a lot of people don'twant to look at the ugly them.
No, of course, like I said,when I actually got saved and
started looking at the word, itshowed me the ugly me, and I
just praise God that he gave mea heart to repent and be
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baptized and be saved and beable to admit my wrongs and
confess my sins, that I'll behealed.
You know what I mean and butyou know I was talking to I
think I mentioned this before ina previous episode, but you
know it's like.
You know I was at a conferencein this previous episode, but
you know it's like I was at aconference and this African
pastor, he made a point.
He was saying the Bible in thehands of Westerners is, you know
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, it's dangerous and, of course,because what's happening now,
it's like.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Don't do this at home , people.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, what I mentioned on Sunday I mean not
Sunday, but on Monday, on the20th.
At that event I was like, if wecan start living more by
biblical principle and less bypersonal preference, we'll start
to move the needle in thekingdom and we'll start to see
the kingdom of God manifest.
Because again it's like it'sall about you know, my way is
right and of course now thesethings are being forced on us, a
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lot of things.
You know, like you werementioning the quote that's on
the Statue of Liberty.
It's basically true, as long asyou do what we say do.
If you do what we say do, orhow we say do it, it applies.
But we are in a space wherepeople are feeling threatened
and people just want to imposetheir way of life, their
perceived way of life, ontoothers.
And you know, and again I feellike the country has been taken
(22:30):
hostage, has been bamboozled,because a lot of people have
been put into a stronghold or orfear mongered, into a way of
thinking like, oh yeah, this isbad, they are bad and this is
bad, but they're quickly goingto see what's true and what's
not, and again, it's just whenthat day comes.
We just hope that they have theability to say I'm sorry, or
(22:53):
the ability to say I was wrong.
And uh, when we can, again, wecan live by biblical principle,
less by personal preference.
Well, this thing will workitself out, you know, because
again I don't want to say Idon't want to.
Just, you know, paint over that.
Oh, it'll work itself out.
But the hope, the Holy spiritof God will start to move when
the hearts of the people repentand turn back to him.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Well, and will we be the kind of people that they
feel safe enough?
I mean, fear and this kind ofwarmongering and whatnot only
works in an environment wherepeople don't feel safe, Because
if you don't feel safe, you do alot of irrational things.
If you don't feel safe, you doa lot of irrational things.
And, quite frankly, I think alot of us have made it not safe
(23:38):
for folks to voice the thingsthey're afraid of.
When you're talking about thingslike we want to shut down the
border because all these rapistsand murderers, we've got to
keep them out, which was one ofthe main messages.
It still is.
That's why we've got to sendall these troops down there to
guard it, to keep all theserapists and murderers out.
But what they don't show you isthe stats of the number of
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those people versus the numberof people that are just coming
for a decent chance to make aliving.
They want to come and earnmoney and so many people that I
know that are, you know, Latinxthat are earning minimal wage or
slightly above minimum wage andliving with, you know, large
groups of people so that theycan send as much of it home as
they possibly can to theirfamilies so that their families
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back home can have a better life.
I mean, they're some of themost self-sacrificing people I
know, some of the most lovingpeople.
I know because of what they'retrying to do, and now we're
going to hurt them.
And are we even thinking farenough to realize that?
Well, you know who's going todo all the cleaning that these
folks are doing for us?
Who's going to do all thecooking that these folks are
(24:48):
doing, who's going to like?
This past summer we had cablecompanies putting fiber in in
area and there were a bunch ofhispanic men that were digging
holes in the 90 plus degreeweather, digging big, honking
holes like shoulder depth holesso that stuff could get pushed
through.
And they there's not a whiteguy among them.
There's not a single white guy,because no white guy in the
world wants to do that job right.
(25:10):
So here we are now with this.
Okay, we come good, now we gotthis done.
But between that and betweentariffs alone, when I think
about tariffs, does anyoneunderstand how tariffs work?
You know exactly.
It's just you know.
And does anyone you know?
When we're combating that'swhat's the other thing like in
the whole election process,saying you know?
(25:31):
Vice president har Harris wasthe borders are.
Oh my God, why didn't that getknocked down immediately?
Borders are.
Do you know what a vicepresident does?
Have you taken civics classever?
Because I think high schoolershave to take civics class.
Vice president basically doessquat.
That's why he himself called itthe most meaningless job in the
world, talking about JD Vance.
(25:53):
So we have to have a way tolovingly, compassionately,
humbly, respectfully, leadpeople to think about things.
Maybe that's the part I hopeand pray for the most in 2025,
that we learn that it's okay tothink about things, that it's
(26:14):
okay to challenge our ownbeliefs about things and say,
yeah, I just don't know.
That's part of, like you said,part of the reason I wanted to
have the conversations with youis I just don't know what it is
to be a black man in America.
I can never know that, just asI will never know what it is to
be a woman in America, just as Iwill never know a lot of things
.
But I would like to understandit, and I would like to
(26:38):
understand that because I thinkit makes me a better person to
understand it instead of justlike have this picture of it,
that I keep making things fitinto the picture, even though
it's, you know, not even lookinglike a picture anymore, because
it's got so much fuzz and crapon it that you're not even sure
what the original looked like.
I don't know, man, I hope wecan move the needle.
(27:03):
I hope if anyone's listening andwatching or whatnot that if
you've got ideas, if you thinkthings you'd like us to talk
about or you want to get it inon the do, because the only way
we're going to get through thisis together.
We've got to figure out a wayto stop being Republican and
Democrat and stop being whateverand start being people that
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look at other people and saythat's not right.
That person shouldn't betreated like that.
Yes, we're just going to makethe problem worse if we keep
letting that happen, becausewhen you want to talk about any
of our social problems that wehave in America the things that
are not making America great,they start with those
(27:45):
conversations making them better.
Start with those conversationsbeing had to say you know, know
what?
We have screwed this up royally.
I admit it, and it wasn't justthe democrats, wasn't just we
screwed this up royally.
How are we going to fix it?
Speaker 2 (28:00):
yes, and, and you're exactly right, and I just wish
we could come to equitablesolutions to the problems,
because you know, like, whenthey, like you said, getting rid
of, uh, not just takingrepublican and democrat out of
it, because at the end of theday, I'm like you said, getting
rid of uh, not just takingrepublican and democrat out of
it, because at the end of theday, I'm like you know people
say, oh, we don't want to go, wedon't want the government, all
in our business.
There are some things that Ijust think need to be universal,
across the board voting rights,you know, basic civil and human
(28:24):
rights, uh, and I would even befor the monitoring of our
natural resources, you know,like, if.
However, if they like say, youknow, of course, like water
consumption, all these differentkind of things, right things to
minimize waste, think I wouldbe all for it.
However, in this, in thiscontext, I have to say that, you
(28:45):
know, I would be all for it ifit could be all dispersed in an
equitable manner, not this groupgetting more than the other.
I would be.
So, from a federal standpoint,I would be all for it.
But now, of course, the powersthat be now are saying, hey, I
want to give it back to thestates, I want to give it back
to the states, I want to give itback to the states.
(29:07):
And again we've seen what ishappening in the states.
The states are creating theselaws.
It's like how can one thingexist in Georgia and not exist
in Wisconsin, or vice versa?
And that's where we are, and wegot all these individual ways
of thinking.
But majority of those statesare on the same agenda.
(29:29):
They're on the same path.
They have the same agenda.
They're on the same path.
They have the same mindset.
They have one goal in mind andat the end of the day, I always
say it's race, and money is whatthis thing comes down to.
Like I said, the currentadministration.
They just cut out the CivilRights Act, basically, and and
they're basically cutting offall avenues of resources to
(29:53):
people of color, and they'vegiven corporations the right and
the ability, or even the excuse, to say, well, we don't no
longer have to offer DIinitiatives, we don't know how
to have that anymore, and buteverybody's doing this out of
fear.
They don't even realize thatthey.
They realize it, but it's likethey're going along with it,
(30:14):
because a lot of times peopleneed an excuse to do what they
really want to do anyway.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Well, people are running the show or know exactly
what they're doing.
Yeah it's yeah it's really easyand part of it is the the chess
playing that goes on in all ofit.
You know we'll move.
You know, look at stuff likethe Gulf of America.
Right, the Gulf of America wasone of those things where you
(30:39):
know we're going to annexGreenland and we're going to.
You know Canada is going tobecome the 51st state.
All that stuff that is like, so, like inflammatory, and you
know idiots that we are, many ofus just get all, oh, my god,
what are they doing?
Why would they do that?
Oh, that's so stupid.
It's like I don't care what'sreally going on, because all of
(31:02):
that kinds of stuff it'sstrategically done to be able to
get you to not see what they'rereally trying to do.
You know, it's like there it is, it's that whole thing that a
magician does.
You know, they'll always tellyou.
If you want to really know howa trick works, watch the hand
that they don't want you towatch, right, because they'll do
something with this hand.
That's really very interesting.
But it's the hand that's notcalling any attention to itself
(31:25):
that's really getting the magicdone.
You that's not calling anyattention to itself, that's
really getting the magic done,absolutely.
And I'll be the first to admitI'm horrible at doing that.
The only thing I can do is,from my acting background, I go
I wonder who benefits from thisthe most?
And it comes back to RalphAbernathy man.
(31:46):
I'm so thankful that as a youngcollege kid in Waukesha,
wisconsin, ralph Abernathy couldcome and talk to one of our
classes.
We had convocations and hebasically distinguished lecture
thing.
And if anybody doesn't knowRalph Abernathy, look him up.
But he was a trusted lieutenantof Martin Luther King's and was
the chosen successor for MLKgoing forward.
(32:09):
And I didn't even know that atthe time.
Ralph Albert who's this guy?
And then you know finally waslike oh, I probably should
listen to this guy.
So, anyways, the keynote of hiswhole speech is that white guys
remember that the differences inthis world are not between the
whites and the blacks, they'renot between the yellows and the
reds, they're not between thepink polka dotted and the purple
(32:31):
striped people.
The differences in this worldare between the haves and the
have-nots.
It's the haves' responsibilityto provide opportunities and the
methods for people that arehave-nots to become haves, and
it is the have-nots'responsibility to avail
themselves of thoseopportunities and to use them as
(32:52):
responsibly and diligently aspossible.
I'm paraphrasing, but the gistof that is yeah, our world is
not built that way, our worlddoes not work that way, and that
is what will make America great.
If anything will make anycountry, any world, great, it
will be haves and have-notsfunctioning in that manner that
there would.
You know, I don't care ifthere's an oligarchy or not an
(33:14):
oligarchy, if the oligarchy iscommitted towards building up
the have-nots and the have-notsunderstand that the way for them
to be a have is to takeadvantage of these opportunities
and use them as much aspossible.
Fantastic, that's the way ithave is to take advantage of
these opportunities and use themas much as possible.
Fantastic, that's the way it'sworking.
But that's why all the stuffyou're talking about, all the
(33:35):
programs that are disappearing,all the grant for things that
are disappearing.
They are making it so much moredifficult for us to achieve
that world, because the haves inthis equation have decided that
they will have more if they cutoff more of that stuff, which
is their own stupidity, becauseany half with half a brain will
(33:56):
recognize that the way to makemore money is not to keep more
money.
The way to make more money isto give more money for things
that will give other people moremoney, so that we all have more
money.
And someday we'll get to belike Star Trek and we won't even
have this stupid money stuffanymore and it'll just be
according to capability.
(34:16):
You know you work, you're takencare of, don't worry about it.
You want that?
Fantastic, go for it.
That's fine.
We love that.
That's great.
What are you doing today?
Oh, I'm going to work on making, you know, a better kind of
more tasty water.
Oh, fantastic, good.
What are you doing today?
Nothing, okay.
Well, you've got to go dosomething, because you can't
just sit there and not doanything.
(34:37):
You know everything's takencare of for you, not just so you
can sit around and do nothing.
You've got to be doingsomething for the betterment of
all of us.
You know, I mean I'moversimplifying it, but goodness
gracious, that's if we couldget the human heart of man.
You know, heart is deceitful,above all things, and
desperately wicked.
Who can know it?
Well, I know it.
I know my heart very well and Ican tell you, if I didn't know
(34:59):
how to say it, I was wrong and Idon't know.
You know, I don't think myheart would be in nearly as good
shape as it is.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, and it's like I love what you were saying, like
how you know, it's like theyhave all these different
distractions that are going on.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Like you said, Greenland starting to fight with
Panama and all these differentkinds of things.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
You know they're all distractions and again, I just
can't help.
This is my personal thoughtthis administration is the money
grab, their friend.
America is about to be bled dry, and that's what I believe.
And, like you said, they'retaking money from the poor and
(35:45):
giving it to the rich.
And it's almost like, again, myperception, people only want
two classes Haves, have, nots.
They want to put you in thisspace and I was talking about
talking about this a couple ofyou know, in one of our earlier
(36:06):
episodes where it's like, youknow, of course, how do you
basically, you know, capture apeople, you marginalize them,
you cut off all avenues ofresources and then you
marginalize them, you kind offorce them to their own little
separate spaces, and then, ofcourse, you create laws against
them and then you agitate theminto breaking the law.
And you know, and it's like,then, of course, the laws
(36:28):
themselves.
You know they're biasly imposed.
You know, like, say, january6th, prior to January 6th, there
was a law about, oh, you know,of course, remember Trump.
He was like, he hated the BlackLives Matter movement, so he
created laws about gathering andthings like that, but those
things were not, they were notimposed.
However, he let those peoplefree, but that's a whole other
(36:51):
thing.
Yeah, yeah, but uh, it's likethat's a whole other thing.
But it's like, yeah, but it'slike when we can get to the
space where we, you know, like,say, we look at the hand that
the magician doesn't want us tosee, is where we can really say,
okay, oh, I see, but, but I see, I see through the smoke.
And that's where we can reallysay, ok, oh, I see, but I see, I
see through the smoke.
And that's where we, as acountry, we have to start seeing
(37:12):
through the smoke, through thegood speech.
And again, because a lot of thishate speech, it, it resonates
and we it was told by the votingnumbers A lot of people are
feeling that way.
And I'm not going to say allrepublicans are racist or all
republicans, uh, hate otherpeople, but there's, if every,
(37:33):
anything absent of love is hate.
And so if you say, hey, I agreewith giving tax cuts to the
rich, but you're sitting in aspace where you're making less
than a hundred thousand dollarsa year, I it's like, okay, you
need to.
We need a financial literacycourse.
We need to teach you whatterrorists actually are.
We need to show you, uh, theactual functions of actual
(37:56):
government.
You know what the president does, the you know judicial branch,
the executive branch, you know.
I mean we have to really getget back to education so people
can make sound choices versusgoing off of what they heard
martha say.
You know, martha said, oh, thisis that and the other.
And it's like you actuallybelieve that and you'll waste
years of your life running offon a lie.
And, like you say, if we canjust simply say I don't know and
(38:20):
I'm sorry, we can start to getsomewhere, walls will start to
come down.
With God's help With God's help.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Man.
Well, so there you have it 2025.
The work is set before us,isn't it, oh man?
But?
But I believe that a friend ofmine and I old, old friend of
mine, been friends for over 40years had lunch the other day,
and I forget who the person washe was talking about.
(38:56):
It was a podcast and thegentleman that was being
interviewed was kind of talkingabout the state of the nation
right now and the gloom and doom, darkness of you know what's
all going on with all theseexecutive orders and stuff.
He said and I it just, I, just,you know.
And the guy, finally the host,said stop it, stop it, this
(39:17):
thing's right.
Yes, it's dark, it's a hardtime.
You, you be the light, you doit, you be the light.
And I thought, yeah, it reallyis kind of that simple, isn't it
?
It's?
You know, we can sit around andthink about how horrible, how
awful this is and, oh, this isgoing to be just terrible.
And he's going to do this andthat and everything.
(39:38):
It's just like okay, but how isthat going to help us be the
light?
How is that?
I still believe wholeheartedly,like Margaret Mead said it best
you know years ago, that youknow, never underestimate the
power of a small group ofpassionate people to change the
world, because, in fact, it'sthe only thing that ever has.
(40:00):
So, be a small group, whereveryou are.
Form that small group of peoplethat get passionate about
looking at this world and saying, no, we're not going to let all
this stuff that people foughtso hard for, that television
covered of people just wantingto be able to have a decent spot
(40:20):
on a bus having dogs sicked onthem by a police chief, know
that.
Just didn't think they werehuman.
So he sucked you know sick dogson them.
He, you know, got the firedepartment to hose them down
with you know full power firehoses.
That enough of America said,saw that and said no enough, and
(40:43):
it started to change.
Wow, because we, we asAmericans said, as Americans
said, that's not who we are, andwe were again moving towards it
.
George Floyd, you know, don'tgive me this nonsense about you
know, george Floyd was not ahero.
George Floyd crystallizedsomething for America that makes
him heroic, regardless of whatother problems the poor guy had
(41:05):
throughout his life.
He crystallized just how racistwe were in a moment that again
we looked at and said videocameras showed what happened to
George Floyd by a police officerthat was unregulated, a police
officer that had the system, hadfailed him and he had failed
(41:26):
within it to keep himselfregulated and remember what his
job was.
And the anger, fury, fear,whatever took over.
And, worse than that, threeother officers watched it happen
and enough of america rose upand said no, that can't happen
anymore.
And I'll tell you what, ifanything, scared the shit out of
(41:46):
the haves.
That scared the shit out ofthem because they started seeing
just how many people startedreacting to that and marching
that with masks, people marchedand marched and marched to say
not anymore, this can't happen,and not just in america, across
the world.
So we can do it.
We do have there there.
(42:06):
There is that spirit in Americaand in the world that says no,
we just want people to have afair chance.
We just want everyone to beable to have an opportunity to
live with dignity and compassionand to be able to care for
people and be able to be lovedand be loved just.
(42:29):
We just don't need any othernonsense that says that you're
better than I am and I'm betterthan you are because of anything
.
We're not, we're just.
We're all trying to make it.
We're just trying to getthrough, we're trying to become
better.
I hope, and if you're not partof that equation, then just
please step aside so that peoplethat do want to be part of that
(42:51):
equation can make it happen,because you'll benefit Really.
If you don't want toparticipate, fine, but you'll
still benefit from that worldbeing constructed.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
And I love it, ben, and you know, and it's like you
know when we talk about you know, the issues of George Ford and
we saw the outcome of it and themovements that came forth.
You know, again thisadministration has, again, with
all these executive orders andeven prior to someone taking
office, you know, just all thesethings were just all avenues of
(43:22):
expressing yourself, lifting upyour voice, are were being cut
off, very slowly, behind thescenes being cut off and, like
we say, like you know, of course, a peaceful gathering of color
people and people of you know,people of color, is demonized.
You know, and again, we sawJanuary 6th.
(43:43):
We saw that when other cultures, other races, other people,
people start to advance, startto get ahead, start to move the
needle and I hate to say this,but it's true uh, white
supremacy is still here.
It has always been.
It just has been cloaked inother forms and other manners,
but it's starting to show itselfeven more blatantly.
(44:05):
Uh, because, again, cause againfor them to cut off the civil,
for them to eliminate the civilrights act and just gut it
completely.
That is a sign.
And the thing is now, it's likewe need people to come together.
It's like, uh, you know, whenthe Bible tells us, hey, uh, be
of good courage.
Uh, fear not, for I'm the Lord,your God, that goes before you.
(44:28):
We're going to need people ofall races to stand up and speak.
You know, I'm going toparaphrase a part of Dr Martin
Luther King's speech where hesays the voice of my enemy won't
be remembered.
It's the silence of my friendsthat's going to be remembered.
And so we can't sit silent andwe have to just say Lord, help
(44:50):
us.
And then, but also, we're in aspace, we're in a time where we
have to peacefully come together.
We have to have open hearts,open minds, talk these things
out and speak to what ishappening.
And again it's going to go backto people swallowing their pride
, saying, hey, I was wrong aboutthis thing.
But it's going to take the painof the hand that's on the
(45:13):
country right now to come downon them as well as the rest of
us, for them to see.
And some of them are going toagain say I was wrong, but some
of them are going to just sufferin silence and die.
They'd rather do that than sayI was wrong.
And when we can get, when westart to again speak in our
(45:35):
voices the right way, thecorrect way, and again, we don't
want to offend, we don't wantto antagonize, we don't want to
blame, we don't want to shame or, you know, we don't want to do
any of those things.
We just simply say, hey, I wantyou to hear what I'm saying,
and then I want to hear whatyou're saying too.
Let's put these two things onthe table and really, let's get
(45:56):
to the heart of a matter.
Let's shake out what's not true, what's nonsense.
Let's shake it out and get tothese core things that we can
come together on and start tomove on right now, because again
, but again, it is yeah, yeah,it's just going to take us.
This thing is going to we're insome interesting times and all
(46:22):
we can do is pray, pray, pray.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
There's an old friend of mine, preacher friend,
friend used to say uh, justremember to speak the truth in
love.
And then he would stop and saybecause, remember, speaking the
truth without love is too hard,speaking that love without truth
is too soft.
So speak the truth in love.
(46:45):
And that that's a hard line totoe, right, because I'm going to
tell you the truth, and it'snot without love, and it's just
like you're a piece of crap.
That's what you are.
I'm not listening to you.
Or we come and say, okay, I'mgoing to tell you the truth
because I care about you sodeeply.
That's just bullshit too.
(47:06):
I'm sorry, because you look atthat and say I don't believe
this person at all.
That's just, these are snakegales, snake oil salesman or or,
uh, you know some kind of idiot, I don't know but you know.
So either one or I really wantto help you.
I'd really do um somewhere inthe line in the middle of that
is let's try to tow that linefor 2025.
(47:27):
That says you know what?
I don't know that, I believethat I don't know that.
That's right, but show me I'mwrong.
You know, like I don't, andthat's kind of how we started
this whole thing.
Right was the.
I don't know that this is reallystupid, but I keep thinking
about the fact that.
You know, I was thinking thatall black guys like listen to
(47:48):
hip hop, you know, and they'relike rapping all the time and
you're like, hey, man, one of myfavorite bands is Journey.
You know, I'm like dude, I loveJourney too.
It's like okay.
So if we can do it on thesimple things, I think we've
been doing some harder thingsthan that too, but that was one
of the moments where I was likecool, you know.
Now I just had one of my stupidthings challenged and I finally
(48:09):
am understanding something Ididn't understand before, and
Lord knows I got so much furtherto go.
But you know, I'm on thejourney with you, dude, that's
it All right.
So next time, same place, samebat channel right and we've got
to figure out.
You know what's the nextchapter.
Look like, what are we doingtoday?
What's our modus operandi, ourMO?
(48:31):
So figure it out.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
It's like what are you going to do to move the
needle?
What are you going to do tomake a change?
What are you going to do totransform your mind?
Because you know we have totransform our minds, transform
our speech, transform ourbehaviors.
Where can you start?
Speaker 1 (48:46):
There you go, and so if you're interested in that
tune in next time, Same place,same channel for coming together
.
So, frame of reference comingtogether.
I am Raul Francis Desi-AldulaBrush and you, young man, are
Pastor Antoine J Holland Sr.
And we are trying to figure itout, america.
(49:07):
We're trying to figure it out,america.
We're trying to figure it outBecause there's no reason why we
can't all be like comingtogether.
There just isn't.
We're the only thing keeping usfrom coming together.
So do that.
Heart check, baby.
Take care.
Thanks for joining us.
Folks Been a pleasure and you,my man, always a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
All right, got you, brother, see you.
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