July 3, 2025 • 61 mins
"What's going on today in our world?" asks Rauel as he and Antowan dive deep into one of the most controversial pieces of legislation currently making waves across America – the so-called "Big Beautiful Bill."
This powerful conversation exposes the troubling psychology behind American politics today, where questioning has become threatening and dissent is immediately silenced. As Antowan points out, "The country has fallen under this dark psychology spell, man, and tactic after tactic are being used on us." The hosts unpack how this legislation effectively takes from the poorest 10% to give to the richest 10%, explaining the far-reaching implications for healthcare, education, and marginalized communities.
The discussion takes a fascinating turn when examining the phenomenon of Americans voting against their own interests – referencing Jonathan Metzl's book "Dying of Whiteness" – and how fear and manipulation drive political decision-making. "People will vote against their own best interest to keep their agenda intact," Antowan explains, highlighting the racial undertones that permeate these political dynamics. The conversation doesn't shy away from examining how privatizing healthcare will lead to more stringent eligibility requirements, higher premiums, and more Americans being denied coverage.
Perhaps most alarming is their analysis of recent constitutional challenges, including the Qatar jet gift and how it potentially violates the Emoluments Clause. "What happens when they start shooting federal judges?" Rauel asks, voicing concerns about the erosion of the rule of law. The hosts make a compelling case that focusing on upholding the rule of law could be a unifying principle for those concerned about America's direction.
Join us for this eye-opening discussion that challenges listeners to come out of their news bubbles and understand how these political decisions affect us all. Subscribe, share your thoughts, and continue the conversation as we work to protect the values that support all Americans.
Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
let's have it, let's have it.
That's what I say.
Let's have it, just like, likethe brother says, let's have it.
And you may be wondering whatit is.
Well, it is coming together.
Frame of reference comingtogether.
I'm Raul Labreche and you,young man, are who?
(00:35):
Again?
Antoine Halvin?
Ah yes, I've heard of youbefore.
Aren't you involved with thatcutting edge like reality
probing and reality revealingshow?
Frame of reference comingtogether.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Aren't you?
Oh, yeah, I'm on there.
Yeah, I roll with those guys.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
We've been hanging for what?
Two years now, something likethat Two years now, man.
This is getting to be kind ofold hat now, so like my old hat,
but mine's not.
Look at you with a Bears hat.
What is going on here, dude?
We're recording in Wisconsinand you're up in the Greenberry
area.
For goodness sakes, man, whatare you got?
A death wish, or what?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Oh man, I've been a Bears fan since then, man, but
there's some great things comingout of the team this year.
We're excited about some of themoves they made.
So every year we say this isour year, so this is our year.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
You know the Packers and the Bears have got one of
the best like long-termrivalries of any franchises out
there, I swear.
And it's fun because you knowboth working class teams you
know started out as just youknow beer hall brawlers and a
lot of that.
You know mentality, I think hasjust continued into the present
(01:55):
times.
But fun, fun, I wonder.
You know I'll pay good money tosee Pope Leo with a Bears hat
on.
I think that would be kind offun for him to show up at, you
know, easter Mass with a Bearshat on.
I think that would be kind offun for him to show up at, you
know, easter Mass with a Bearscap.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
That would get some chuckles.
Oh yeah, there's a millionmemes out there right now with
him dressed in Bears attire andall these kind of things.
So, yeah, I'm not on Instagram.
Well, let's see, I am, but I'mnot on Instagram and all the
other ones.
But you know, like my wife,she'll show me some real funny
things out there right now.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, that's.
I've been doing a sub stack andthey've got lots of, lots of
fun stuff there, too.
Got to be careful with thatstuff, though, too.
You know a lot of people sayingdid you hear what Pope Leo said
?
And it got, like, you know,transcribed, you know speeches,
and you look it up and it's like, yeah, that never happened.
I mean, you know they make itso plausible, but it's just
(02:46):
indicative of a lot of stuffgoing on these days, right, you
know I heard such and such didblah, blah, blah and really okay
, right, okay.
So.
So today, what are we talkingabout?
My man?
What's going on today in ourworld?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
we're gonna talk about that.
Uh, the big beautiful bill, man, uh, the big beautiful bill can
you even believe that that's athing?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I mean that that that they're actually making that
the way they're calling it thetriple b, right?
It's just it's being andeveryone's supposed to know the
triple b is the big beautifulbill, as I are you what that
couple of years ago, I mean backin Reaganomics days?
Can you imagine him introducingsomething and saying we've got
(03:30):
a big beautiful bill here?
It just sounds stupid.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I don't get it.
It does, man.
And the thing is, you know, ofcourse, they create these
acronyms and these silly sayingsjust to keep their base
captivated, man, and just keepthem engaged with some nonsense.
But also, at the same time,it's that illusory truth effect
where they just keep repeatingthings over and over again to
(03:57):
make them familiar, even it maynot be true, it may be bad, but
you keep hearing it enough thatyou become so familiar with it
that you just dismiss it as okay, well, that's what it is.
If they keep saying that that'swhat it is and and that's again
.
I keep saying man, the, thecountry has fallen under this,
uh, dark psychology spell, man,and just tactic after tactic are
(04:19):
being used on us man and it.
It just is a shame.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
It strikes me that the most insidious deal that has
been going on is the refusal toacknowledge another point of
view, that they're.
A refusal to acknowledge that asubstantial and intelligent
(04:45):
argument against something isnot a reason to attack it.
It's a reason to understand theframe of reference Ooh,
somebody should do a show calledthat the frame of reference
from which that question comes,because there is validity.
I mean, we say all the time,you know, perspective is 98%
reality, right?
So my perspective is there'ssome real problems here.
(05:08):
Well, we've gotten into thispsychology, this national
psychology of the minute.
Someone has a question, that'sa threat and you need to stamp
on those questions immediatelyand all that does is force
people to get in line.
So the real, the motivation isnot to understand.
The motivation is not to makesure that information is
(05:31):
correctly disseminated and, youknow, conveyed.
The motivation is to shutanyone up that might get in the
way of passing this thing.
Ride over them with a tank ifyou need to, whatever it takes,
just do not let there be anydissension whatsoever.
And it's all over the spectrum.
I mean, you can't even ask aquestion.
You can't even ask a questionwithout it becoming you know.
(05:55):
Oh, you're worried about JoeBiden and his cancer.
Is that what you're worriedabout?
You're not worried about savingsome money?
No, not you.
You ought to text me going tothat's what you're worried about
.
Huh, you're not worried aboutsaving some money?
No, not you, you ought to textme.
I mean, it's like did I say anyof that?
I asked a question.
I asked a question.
There ought to be room at thetable for questions, and if you
(06:19):
can't, answer them then that'syour attack.
Then I got to believe that thereisn't an answer to the question
, or the question is sothreatening that you don't want
to even give away a little bitof you know leeway.
That, oh you know, we hadn'tthought about that.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, and it's just again kind of going along.
What you're just saying, liketo admit if any dissension, any
question, and that's why they'retaking, that's why they're
attacking education, is so tough, man.
Like you know, the Departmentof Education, they're attacking
Harvard, any free-thinkinginstitution.
They're going to attack it andof course they're trying to it's
(06:52):
education.
You dumb down a country.
They don't have the capacity tofight or capacity to even
question, and it's going to beone opinion, one way of doing
things, one rule.
And again, that's just with thisbig beautiful bill.
That's just a tip of theiceberg of all the insidious
(07:15):
things that are really going on,man, and that's why we hope and
pray that people just come outof their own news bubble and
really see the effect of thisthing and what it'll be on other
communities, particularlymarginalized communities, colors
of community, communities ofcolor.
You know in the course, but wealso got to understand the true
motivation behind this bill isto take from the poorest 10
(07:40):
percent and give it to therichest 10 percent, right, yeah,
and it's just a shame, man,you're going to give a tax break
to the rich and make poorpeople pay for it.
And again, we were talkingabout that book offline a second
ago, dying of Whiteness.
Of course I haven't read it yet, but it was in discussion on
(08:03):
another show that I watch it yet.
But it was just a.
It was a in discussion onanother uh show that I watch and
it just basically.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
People will vote against their own best interest
to keep their agenda intact andthat's the scary part well, as
long as you can get people tothink that they're going to get
the most important stuff thatthey care about is going to be
protected, they'll vote foranything.
Um, you know that that'sultimately what this whole
movement is capitalized on isthere were a whole bunch of
people that were afraid, andthey still are afraid, and fear
(08:34):
usually turns into anger in mostmen.
I mean, that's just, that's theway we're wired.
You know, we get afraid, butthen eventually you either, you
know, succumb to the fear or youget angry enough to just, you
know, screw it.
I'm doing something about this,and you know they call that in
the battlefield that's calledcourageousness.
Right, you just, it's not that,you know heroes will tell you
(08:56):
too.
It's not that I was any moreheroic.
I just got tired of sittingthere in the foxhole getting the
crap beat out of us and decidedI had to do something right.
Foxhole, getting the crap beatout of us, and decided I had to
do something right.
So you got this whole group ofpeople that's been marginalized
because their jobs have largelybeen taken away.
They've been, you know, movedto other countries where it's
cheaper to pay for the workforceto do those jobs.
(09:17):
They've been replaced withother industries that can do the
job, disposable things insteadof cleaning old stuff, you know
cheaper cars that come fromoffshore versus them fixing your
old ones or building a bigAmerican car here, All of those
things which were legitimateconcerns.
I mean, people were sufferingall over the place, but in every
(09:40):
single freaking case, thepeople that were suffering were
not just white, they weren'tjust black, they weren't just
anything.
They were people that were nothaves.
They were people that did nothave power to control what was
going on around them, and thatpower was being wielded by
people that did have money, didhave the resources, did have
(10:02):
boards that they needed torespond to and said hey, we can
return 28% more profit if weshut down our plant in Tuscanoma
, whatever, and move it to, youknow, Puerto Vallarta, Mexico,
where the labor is, you know aquarter of what it is here, and
we'll be able to make just asgood a car, because those people
work hard, they need jobs, yada, yada, yada.
(10:25):
So it wasn't the Mexicans'fault, right?
It wasn't the people downthere's fault.
It was the people that werelooking to make more money and
spread more of that wealth tothemselves.
So not only have more moneyfrom all this profit that
they've getting over the yearsnow of having manufacturing
offshore.
But now we know that it's goingto take some time to move that
(10:49):
stuff back if it ever gets movedback, because that's a whole
other talk, right.
If they get it moved back, butin the meantime we're going to
give those guys because they pay45% of the taxes, so we're
going to give them some otherbreaks too.
And they never stopped to thinkthat, guys, the reason they pay
45% of the taxes is becausethey make so freaking much money
(11:11):
that that's that's what thatturns out into that they make so
much more than 90% of the restof us that, yeah, they pay 45%
because they've got.
Of all the money that'sgenerated, they got 95% of it.
So figure out the math.
It's just such a scarysituation Like you say, dying of
(11:33):
whiteness, because we'reteaching people to not ask
questions.
We're just getting them pissedoff about things that we know
they're pissed off about alreadyand getting them all agitated
so they won't think about oh,wait a minute, wait a minute.
That's not really true.
I don't know.
Wait a minute.
I what about this order?
Oh, don't ask any questionsabout that.
(11:55):
We're helping you.
Damn it, shut up so well.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
You know, when it comes to those jobs, man uh,
it's almost like they're nevergoing to come back.
Like you said, man uh, just uh.
You know, of course, the profitmargins are so great on labor
in other countries that they'renot going to come back.
At the same time, you know,it's like again a good portion
of America has voted againsttheir own best interests, like
with this big beautiful bill,for instance.
(12:19):
Again you're taking money fromthe least and giving it to the
most, and the sad part of it is,you know, at the end of the day
, you know these jobs are notcoming back, let's just be.
But at the same time, like okay, things that have been put in
place are being rolled back.
You know the inflationreduction act.
You know they're rolling allthose things back.
(12:42):
The chips act they're takingmoney from all those things that
were put in place to try tobring some form of manufacturing
back to the United States.
This current administration isclipping it at the kneecaps and
it's funny like we were talkingabout this prior, like during
the election season.
You know, back in earlyNovember, or so you know they
(13:03):
were sitting.
You know, you know, back inearly November, or so you know
they were sitting.
You know they had this townhall in a place that is in
Michigan, a place that the CHIPSAct built.
People were saying they don'tsee it, and it's like two of the
three, three out of two, twoout of the three young men that
stood up and spoke were likeyeah, I just bought a house
because of this factory that wasjust built here.
(13:23):
And it's like do you know whobuilt it?
Do you know how that money cameto your community?
But yet, at the same time, theyvoted against their own best
interests and the thing is,those plants are probably going
to close.
We pray that they don't, butthose jobs are going to be taken
away because of what thisadministration is dying to do,
which is give money to therichest people in the country.
(13:45):
Here and again, it's like theimpact on all of us man is going
to just, we got people in Texasdying to measles man, yeah, you
know we get.
You know, of course, like,hospitals are closing all over
the place, you know.
And then, of course, it's goingto be, I think, this conference
.
I can't remember where I heardit, but it was like there was a
conversation about, you know,like medical student enrollment.
(14:08):
No, that's down.
You know, it's like people arelike, generally want to be
doctors, are like, well, I don'tknow, you know.
And of course, when we talkabout you know, with this thing,
with cutting health care andcutting insurances and all these
different things, it's going tojust be a less healthy America,
man.
It's going to.
Of course, this is going tohurt us more than it helps us,
(14:29):
you know.
And of course the other sideknows this, man.
You know they've done thenumbers, they've ran the numbers
.
You know it's going to make aless healthy workforce.
It's going to decreaseproductivity, man.
It's going to rise health carecosts, man, and people are just
still not getting this.
Man.
This is the sad part.
It's going to be a lot ofplaces again, with hospitals and
(14:52):
healthcare providers.
They're going to start to closeor they're going to be turning
people away because, hey, yourinsurance is inadequate or is
not covered.
And then, of course, justthinking about these people with
pre-existing illnesses, youknow, diabetes, etc.
You know we're in a tough spaceand I just hope people's eyes
are open to see that we reallyneed to stand up against this
(15:14):
thing.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, and when we realize it, will it be too late?
You know it's scary to thinkabout, but you know we keep
talking about.
You know it's scary to thinkabout, but you know we keep
talking about.
You know well, the 2026elections, that'll turn things
around.
It's like you really think wegot that long, huh?
What's your plan B or C or D?
(15:36):
Because I'm not convinced that.
I don't know.
I don't know, you know.
It strikes me that when you'redoing things as outlandish as
what are being done right now,you're not worried about getting
(15:57):
reelected.
You're, you're, I don't know.
People behave that way whenthey've just gotten a cancer
diagnosis, you know.
When you know you've got sixmonths to live, you know, you
figure what the hell they're nothaving an election in 2026.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
if it's up to them, you know what I mean.
They're trying to lock thisthing down with the SAVE Act.
What we were talking about acouple weeks ago, the SAVE Act,
you know, of course you'reasking for all these additional
pieces of identification to beeligible to vote and then, of
course, in the process, in themeanwhile, they are actually
purging voter scrolls all overthe country.
(16:31):
A lot of people have lost theirability to vote and don't even
know it, and it's just again allthese little things that are
going again.
What we're talking about?
this bill, big, better, big,beautiful bill bill it's just
the tip of what's really goingon underneath, man.
And then, of course, you know,and, yes, when we talk about the
(16:51):
haves and have nots, you know,just, from my eyes, man, this is
all racial.
You know, it's all racial, itit?
To me, it boils down to race.
I know, of course, no, you cansay it's the have and have nots,
but it's about race, it's aboutwhite supremacy and, like we
were saying, like even peoplethat don't necessarily agree
with the white supremacy part,they're still going to fall in
(17:12):
line with the, with the marchingorders of the administration,
even if it hurts them, andthat's the scary part.
So it's like no reasoning withsome of these people and it's
like can't you see what this isgoing to do?
You know, like we're talkingall children, all older adults,
all people with disabilities aregoing to be the most affected
(17:33):
by this thing.
When we're talking aboutcutting Medicaid or SNAP, you
know people in nursing homes,people that need personal care,
and it just goes.
It's just just.
That goes beyond race.
Yeah, when people voted forthis administration, they're
(18:16):
still saying they still supporthim.
And again, it's just.
It's just like you're talkingto a wall when you're talking
with some of these things.
It's just, it's like you'retalking to a wall when you're
talking with some of thesethings, but it's like we just
have to keep sounding the alarmman.
We have to keep speaking outand talking about what these
things actually mean and whenpeople hopefully they'll
actually realize the impact oneverybody, not just a group of
(18:37):
people like they thought itwould.
You know, of course, uh, it's,uh, it's going to affect us all
in the long run.
You know, of course.
And cause, at the end of the day, you know, with this
administration, with the, withthe threat of cutting the social
security, with the threat ofcutting medicaid, they're trying
to privatize all these thingsagain so the upper rich half can
(18:59):
kind of portion and ration outwhat they think the rest of us
should have and a lot of peopledon't get, but they're in the
same boat as us.
Yeah, if you don't make xamount of dollars, you're in
this boat, and then that's whyyou see people rising up.
You know certain groups ofpeople starting to rise up.
Well, what about?
Hey, what about that?
And it's like you voted for it,right?
(19:19):
You know, it's like uh, youknow roland martin, he has this
shirt F-A-F-O, and just blinkaround and find out.
You know, yeah, yeah, and youknow F-O.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I've looked up your book Dying of Whiteness.
It's by a man named JonathanMetzl.
He's a doctor and the premiseof it is in election after
election, conservative whiteAmericans have embraced
politicians who pledged to maketheir lives great again.
But as physician Jonathan MMetzl shows in Dying of
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Whiteness, the policies thatresult actually place white
Americans at ever greater riskof sickness and death.
Interviewing a range ofeveryday Americans, metzl
examines how racial resentmenthas fueled program laws in
Missouri, resistance to theAffordable Care Act in Tennessee
(20:18):
and cuts to schools and socialservices in Kansas.
He shows these policies' costsincreasing deaths by gun suicide
, falling life expectancies andrising dropout rates.
Well, now doesn't that soundlike a wonderful world to live
in.
So it is true that we arekilling ourselves, we're
(20:48):
allowing.
I don't understand.
Help me understand how you canbelieve that you are a Christian
and you have convenientlyforgotten that that which you do
unto the least of these, you dounto me as well.
How do you cognitivelyundissonate the dissonance that
(21:14):
occurs from living a life thatsays you know, I am pro-life,
pro-life, pro-life, but screwyou once you're born.
You know, Exactly, Screw you.
I mean, you know I will protectthat baby's right to be born
until the day I die.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Or we want to give certain groups of women $5,000
to have a baby.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or $1,000 to put into theiraccounts.
You know, once they're bornright, you're going to get a
$1,000 rebate and up to $5,000,right for a savings account.
You know it's interestingbecause you know, whenever that
stuff is done, it's always huh,wow, that's a really good idea.
(22:00):
And then you start to peel backthe curtain and go, huh, and
put that curtain down.
Boy, what are you doing?
It's like when you lift up thelady's skirt to don't.
What's it going to take?
What's it going to take for usto wake up and say wait a minute
(22:22):
, wait a minute.
Privatizing healthcare means theonly way you privatize
something is if somebody knowsthey can make money on it.
You don't privatize somethingthat is a losing proposition.
Nobody's going to invest in it.
You're not going to get a boardto support it.
It ain't going to happen.
So follow the money right.
(22:43):
If he really is serious aboutprivatizing it, you're exactly
right.
It's going to become a systemwhere they're going to cut costs
.
You don't hire.
You know if you're privatizinganything, you don't hire a bunch
of people to make life easierfor the single person that's
working.
You hire exactly as many as youneed to get the job done and
(23:04):
then you squeeze that person asmuch as you can to get as much
work out of them as possible sothat the bottom line is better.
You can go to the boardrooms atthe end of the year and say,
gentlemen, we thought we weregoing to make $6 billion, but
through some efficiencies andscrewing a whole bunch of people
, we made $8 billion.
So thank you very much.
I'll take my bonus now.
Appreciate talking with youagain.
(23:25):
You know, I mean it's just and,yeah, it is racist, because
these folks that have been liedto and lied to themselves for so
long are being lied to by abunch of really important white
men that they think are just.
You know, look at howsuccessful that guy is.
He must be really brilliant.
Yeah, no, he just knows how toscrew people really well.
(23:47):
Um, you know, because he wentto the you know, whites only
club of screw everybody aroundyou as much as possible so that
you come out on top.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
It's just a class you have to take.
Because people are really justthe eyes have to be opened.
You know, the veil has to betorn on these just really the
impact on it all.
You know, of course, likeyou're saying, the provocation
of it.
You know, of course, who'sgoing to benefit Insurance
companies.
You know, if you cut Medicaidand those things, insurance
(24:17):
companies are going to benefitbecause again, they're going to
pick and choose who they chooseto cover.
Of course, premiums are going togo up through the roof on all,
and then, of course, there'sgoing to be a lot of people
turned away and then there'sgoing to just be they're going
to make the majority of themoney by doing less work.
They're going to make moremoney doing less work.
Well, of course.
(24:38):
And then, of course, even whenit comes to prescriptions, you
know, oh, my goodness, you know,remember when insulin?
You know they got it down to$35?
Yeah, Now, what are you goingto do?
You're going to be back topaying a good portion of your
fixed income just for aprescription, and these are the
(24:59):
things that people voted for,you know.
And, of course, when we starttalking about all these things,
the whole economy at large.
Again we got people dying ofsomething that was eradicated
forever ago measles, you know.
Then you put a guy that, avaccine denier or I don't know
what, that Robert F, I don'tknow what to call them anymore.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Anti vaxxers yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Him.
I just guess you just call himcrazy, I mean brain.
So I don't know if you saw thepicture of him swimming in that
DC Creek.
You know where it's like.
You know it's like all theseliving organisms that make
people sick.
He's swimming in that dc creek.
You know where it's like, uh,you know it's like all these
living organisms that uh makepeople sick.
He's swimming in it and that'sthe person that is uh giving us
(25:42):
uh health care advice.
And but, yeah, it's like again,when it comes to these things,
no, insurance companies, they'regoing to benefit the most.
Um, all these uh public healthcare programs, they're going to
go away.
And, of course, again, rememberhow people still have not a lot
of people have not been able todifferentiate Obamacare from
the Affordable Care Act.
(26:03):
They don't realize it's thesame thing and we're still stuck
there, you know, and it's likejust shifting people from public
to private insurance is goingto just lead to so much more
complexities in this thing.
Man, they're going to be morestringent on eligibility.
There's going to be, you know,just, it's going to be more
difficult for people to accessaffordable health care, and
(26:24):
that's where the country isgoing to get sick.
My wife checked this book out ofthe library years ago and I
want to.
I can't remember, but I waslike I jokingly said that she
got us on the list, but it waslike how to destroy a country
from within.
It was talking about attackingthe health care system,
attacking the education system.
You know, like we take away aperson's ability to think, you
(26:45):
know, and it's like you get itjust, and it was just all these
list of things and it's like wow, I'm starting to see these
things live and present.
And you know, but we knew itwas coming with Project 2025.
We knew it was coming.
A lot of people was like, oh no, they ain't finna do that.
But lo and behold, here we are.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah right, you know, I had this thought and it
strikes me that so much of thisstuff is being done to increase
the likelihood.
There's a movie called StrawDogs years ago it was made by
(27:29):
Sam Peckinpah and really violentfilm has.
Probably I don't know enough, Ihaven't seen enough movies but
it has one of the most violentrape scenes in any movie and
Peckinpah took a lot of griefover that.
But he wanted to show how uglyrape really was.
(27:51):
But the point of the rape wasto continue to push the central
character who was played byDustin Hoffman.
And the straw dog is a termthat's used, I guess, in Ireland
.
I had not heard of it beforethen, but apparently you put a
dog on a leash, you keeptaunting it and eventually it
(28:11):
will turn into just an insanelyattack-everything dog.
And Dustin Hoffman is that strawdog.
Right, he starts out as justthis wonderful intellectual man
(28:31):
who loves.
They've moved to the Irishcountryside, it's a beautiful
place, His wife is from thereand you know, lo and behold,
there are some old, old, youknow good old boy, Ireland guys
that see her and she's done wellfor herself by marrying this
American, Dustin Hoffman, andthey're still, you know, working
(28:54):
class guys, whatnot.
She is not smart and tauntsthem and she ends up being the
one that's raped by a guy thatshe had relationships with when
she was younger.
And he takes her right.
And not only does he take her,but then his brother, who's
waiting in there, takes her too,and it's just like fuck around,
(29:15):
find out.
Right here it is, in you knowliving color.
My point in all of this is itstrikes me that all of this I
can say it because I'm not thereverend with the sole intent of
getting poor people and blackpeople, people of color, so
(29:38):
pissed off that they revolt,that they start protesting in
the streets in a big way.
And this time he won't have anygenerals saying you can't go
out there and shoot them all.
Well, can't we just shoot themin the legs?
Recorded conversation, Can't wejust shoot them in the legs?
And General Miley is like no,you can't do that on US citizens
(29:59):
.
So there won't be anybody thistime to stop the bloodshed.
It won't be the National Guardcoming to rescue people, it will
be the National Guard coming toeradicate people.
And I don't you know people can, I guess, get all over me for
(30:22):
even suggesting that that wouldbe the end game.
But it makes sense that youjust keep pushing and pushing,
and pushing.
And even the nicest, calmest,most warm and fuzzy, I think the
dog that they show in theexample of this, the beginning
of the movie, is like aschnauzer.
You know this cute littleScottish schnauzer or Scottish
(30:46):
terrier or whatnot.
They turn him into just a nasty, nasty dog and I worry what's
the solution to keep them fromwinning that end game that way?
Because I've noticed, even with, like, the protests that have
been going on around area foryou know, hands off, that it's
(31:07):
been pretty white, which I'vebeen good with because I don't
want there to be any, you know,thing of, oh, it's a black
people, blah, blah, blah.
If it's white people, it's hardto have that argument right.
So, but you know, at what pointdo you think the black
community is just going to sayfuck this man, fuck this, fuck
(31:27):
you, I don't care anymore, thisis fucking insane, we're not
fucking putting up with thisanymore.
And, you know, run right intothe machine gun this anymore.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
And, you know, run right into the, the machine gun,
well, and that's uh, and againthat is uh.
That is a kind of the end gameof the course that goes back a
few years ago when they actuallystarted, uh, you know,
lightening all these, uh, allthe gun legislation.
They're trying to make iteasier and easier for people to
carry guns, you know, especiallyin those southern states,
because remember, they weretalking about a new civil war.
And of course, uh, and thenit's like uh, it was uh on the
news, uh, a white gentleman.
(32:00):
I can't remember what state hewas in, but he was like when do
we get to start shooting people?
And it's like whoa montana, youknow.
And it's yeah, and it's likewhen do we?
It's like whoa, and then, but,you know, again it's like yeah,
that's what, that's what this,uh.
That's why we say man, no, it'suh, it's this is all racial.
In my eyes, it's all racial.
Of course, you're going tomarginalize people and then
(32:20):
you're going to create lawsagainst that people, then you're
going to agitate that peopleand then you're going to execute
that law, and then, of course,yes, we're just praying that it
doesn't lead to bloodshed, butwe're just praying that we take
the proper actions and wecontinue to.
We've got to reach out to theseelected officials, man.
We got to reach out to thesesenators and representatives and
(32:41):
express our opposition to theseproposed bills and laws that
they're trying to set.
And we got to participate insome form of advocacy, you know.
We got to get involved and wegot to join organizations and
campaigns that are looking toprotect those social safety nets
.
And then, of course, againgoing back to what we've been
(33:03):
talking about since thebeginning, brother, it's just
like people need to be learned,they need to get informed, they
need to vote.
And of course, again becausethis thing is again talking
about the big beautiful billit's again talking about the big
beautiful bill.
There's the SAVE Act underneaththis that's again trying to
marginalize the black vote andthe brown vote.
There's environmental racism,structural racism, there's
(33:27):
economic racism.
It's all these different things, man.
I know we say the haves andhave-nots, but in my eyes it's
starting to become more and moreracial, because again, anything
that supports anything black orbrown is being taken away.
And then again people arestarting to say, well, I got
caught up in the same fishnet.
And now it's like you hear alittle bit of a pushback, but at
(33:51):
the same time they'll stillvote for the same person.
And that's where, you know,again, we just have to get more
involved, we have to startsticking up.
You know, in the course andthis, even though, like say, in
some areas you got a good mix ofpeople, the problems still
(34:11):
exist.
But I do my concern is also forthose areas where they like,
say, the Louisianas, theMississippis, the Tennessees,
where there are predominantlyblack communities that are being
subject to these cancer causingcompanies.
And you know, it's just so muchgoing on beyond what we see.
And that's where we're justtrying to get people to open
(34:31):
their eyes, come out of theirnews bubble and really just
start to say, hey, this is notright.
Again, you know it's, we're not.
No, I'm not an end timespreacher, but the Bible says
there'll be wars and rumors ofwars.
You know, brother againstbrother, sister against brother,
(34:53):
absolutely.
And there's so many differentthings and we're seeing them
play out, and so we just have topray, but in the meantime, man
just praying that the scales arecoming off people's eyes,
because the impact of thesethings don't just affect one
group of people, they affect usall.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
If it were possible in those end days, even the
elect would be deceived.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
They are being deceived because you got some
prominent preachers man areactually voting for this guy and
actually supporting this guy.
You know and again, you know,and that's where you know.
Of course, as a pastor, youknow, of course some of my
gripes have been with the churchbecause a lot of people say
where is the church in all ofthis?
You know, of course, some of mygripes have been with the
church because a lot of peoplesay where is the church in all
(35:40):
of this?
Of course, I used to ask yearsago, like when I was a part of a
group in the Bear Bore.
I was like, hey, are y'allpreaching on race?
And, of course, are y'allpreaching on this?
Because this is what needs tobe talked about.
Are y'all preaching on this?
Because, again, now you have alot of churches in areas they're
not preaching.
They're not even preachingJesus anymore.
They're.
(36:00):
You know, trump is the goldencalf and that's all they're
preaching is like church is nowa rally and rally in Jesus.
Yeah, yes, and no, cause he saidhey, uh, you know, people honor
them with their mouths, buttheir hearts are far from them.
You know, and it's a brother.
(36:22):
You know we are praying because, uh, we're in a, we're in a,
we're in a tough space and wejust know, when we talk about,
you know, republican anddemocrat, you know, of course,
no, we, you and I, we both agreeand disagree on both sides of
the fence.
But you know, and again, it'slike when we talk about one
group, like we were talkingabout you know, earlier, it like
, you know, on the Republicanside of things, in my eyes it's
(36:44):
all about white supremacy.
Even those that don'tnecessarily agree with it, they
are falling in line.
And so, like on the left side,we've got to have one goal, one
point of view that we all lineup behind.
And I would say, hey, let'sline up behind the law, let's
line up behind.
(37:04):
And I would say, hey, let'sline up behind the law, let's
line up behind keeping that.
And because I know, likethere's all this bickering
underneath this big tent andnothing's getting done and
you're just uh, letting people,we're basically being walked all
over, you know, again, with allthese uh bills that are being
thrown up and passed.
And of course we're going tosee man, we're going to see it's
(37:34):
hard to not feel like it'spointless.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
You know which is exactly the emotional state, I
think.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
And that's what they're trying.
That's the intent.
Remember, steve Bannon saidthat he's like every day, throw
out three different things Keepthem scattering, keep them off
balance.
Keep them off balance, keepthem off keel, have them chasing
their tails in a circle whilewe're getting one thing.
If we can get one thing througha day, they've won.
And they're doing, they'reexecuting that to a t.
(38:09):
And, of course, again, when itcomes to a lot of the things
that are going on, a lot ofpeople don't care about.
Yes, uh, medicaid right now.
No, uh, this, uh, big,beautiful bill.
It's surprisingly that majorityof of Americans don't care that
you're going to take money frompoor people and give it to rich
people.
It's almost like they don'tcare.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, it's like I think peopleare so used to being screwed,
you know, like, okay, so they'rescrewing me.
Yeah, so what?
As long as I got my beer, aslong as I got my hamburger, as
long as I got my reality TV showthat I can watch, I mean, we've
gotten, you know, such asignificant part of the nation
(38:53):
has been kind of lulled intothis Pied Piper state that we're
, you know, just following thePied Piper wherever you know and
he can lead us right off acliff and we'll just keep
following because that tune isawful nice, that flute sounds
awful good, you know, kind ofthing.
Yeah, I mean, it's just theonly thing that gets me through
(39:19):
most days is thinking well, god,you got a plan.
Just help me see what your planfor me is in it, because to
think it's going to be won byhuman hands and not by spiritual
swords, I think that's wherethe exhaustion comes in.
And thankfully, I've seen a lotof different types in this
(39:41):
movement.
I don't see a lot of zealots,you know.
I see a lot of, you know,people that you know appear to
just be strong.
You know, there's a lot ofstrong men in this movement.
You know a lot of strong womenthat are, you know, really
fighting for justice and truthand yada, yada, yada.
(40:02):
But I don't see many zealots,which I don't see that
righteousness thing comingthrough very often anymore.
It's more petulance than it isrighteousness.
So I'm waiting for thatrighteous voice that comes out
and is willing to challenge the,that righteous voice that comes
(40:24):
out and is willing to challengethe status quo with
respectfulness and just lasersharp precision of not getting
caught up.
You know, it'd be like the WestWing type of thing.
You know where Aaron Sorkin canjust write some beautiful,
beautiful speeches that you knowif, if there are people in the
(40:45):
world that can have command ofthe facts and the data as well
as those characters do, and toargue against stupidity on any
front.
You know you can.
It's like you know spock takingthe test to get him back to
being spock, and in star trek,what is it?
Voyage, voyage, home, and he'sjust answering like questions
from three different computersat the same time and he's just,
(41:06):
you know, all over the placewith physics questions and
philosophy questions and youknow, boom, boom, boom, boom,
boom.
I'd like to have those kinds ofpeople on a team that can just,
you know, stupid question orstupid point comes up and
they've got the knowledge andthe things in their head enough
to say okay, on article 16.4 ofthis bill, you state blah, blah,
blah.
What does that mean to you?
(41:28):
Well, as we said before no, no,no.
I asked you direct.
What does that mean to you?
No, no, no, I asked you.
What does that mean to you?
If we have to take the whole 15minutes that I have to talk
with you, I am going to get astraight answer from you on that
one thing.
So I don't care who you've beencoached by here that said just
keep obfuscating, keepdeflecting, keep deflecting,
(41:49):
keep bouncing, keep bouncing,keep bouncing.
I'm not going to let you dothat.
I'm going to tell you righthere, right now bitch, you
aren't going to answer thisquestion, so you want to keep
dancing with me?
I'm okay with dancing thisquestion?
So you want to keep dancingwith me?
I'm okay with dancing, butyou're going to answer this
question.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
And that's where you know, again, it's like when
we're talking about, you know,our spirituality, man, and being
men, men of God, and there'swomen, mighty women of God out
there.
You know, of course we have tofight, you're exactly right.
You know a person that get thatangelic wisdom, that can talk
to every situation in a way thatis not emotional, and of course
, that's kind of my feel rightthere.
It's like, you know, it's likeagain, it's like when somebody
(42:25):
says something super stupid,it's like what is wrong with you
?
And then, of course, but at thesame time, it's like, you know,
it's like so you're trying tofight with the right heart's
posture Because, again, we can't, you know, repay evil with evil
(42:46):
but overcome evil with good,and of course, we can be just as
loud, but we just got to keepthe right heart's posture.
And, yes, and there's thosepeople like you're saying,
brother, there's people outthere that can do exactly what
you're asking, but you know, ofcourse they are afraid, you know
, they know all they got to dois mention your name and then
you're going to get a bombardedwith a bunch of hate mail and
people, but no one past thehouse, honking and all those
kinds of things, and and, andit's like the intimidate again,
(43:07):
white supremacy, man, theintimidation of it all, uh, the
voter suppression, part of itall, uh, all the bills and
things that are being passed tomarginalize, to minimalize, uh,
to basically uh, keep, you know,the system, systemic and
systematic issues at bay.
Yeah, and it is just like, again, man, we, the world, is waiting
(43:29):
for the manifestation of thesons of God.
Man, and you know, of coursethe sons of God are those that
are going to tell the truth,regardless of the consequence to
us.
You know, and that's that'swhat we are.
And so, and when we, we, I'lltell the truth.
But, like you said, man, justbeing able to know is a.
I'm paraphrasing this scripture, but it says like don't debate
(43:52):
with a fool, because people fromafar won't know who the fool is
.
And so it's like we have to, wecan't get into foolish debate,
but at the same time you don'twant to let this lie go on
anymore, you know, and, like yousaid, if we don't have the
intellect or the eloquency ofspeech to combat that, you know,
(44:13):
that's a kind of puts us righton level with them.
And so it's like man, I totallyagree, brother.
And so it's like man.
I totally agree, brother.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
It's like that's why, when we were talking earlier,
you know, it's like having someyoung people in the camp that we
haven't really defined what'sthe lay down.
Throw yourself on a mine,whatever issue that needs to be.
That's the battle.
That is the battle that we'regoing to fight and not get
(44:56):
thrown off.
You know the one thing, becauseI think you're right there are
people that just say thesestupid things and it's like a
distraction and you have to beable to just say hey, you know
what?
I'm sorry?
That's a lie on a whole bunchof different levels, but I don't
have time for that right now.
Here you do it.
After we get done, please comefind me and I'll explain to you
why.
No, I'm sorry, Really, that isjust.
(45:18):
There's so many things wrongwith that argument and I
apologize that you've beenbrought into believing that
that's true, but it's not.
So let's talk about that later.
I will make time for you.
After this thing is done, wewill talk as long as you need to
talk, but we're not talkingabout that right now.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Exactly, ben.
That's why I was saying, likeyou know how the other party,
they got their marching ordersand from my eyes it's white
supremacy.
And if Democrats can just say,you know what we're going to,
the rule of law, let's just stayright there.
Rule of law, stay right there,because I mean, like these
(45:57):
pardons that just came out, man.
You know, larry Hoover was injail since before I was born.
You know, well-known Chicagogangster.
He got his sentence commutedbut of course now it's still a
state issue.
But they're going to find a wayto finagle him out.
They let a couple of rappersout and again it's all
manipulation and it's just.
You know, people are stillfalling for the same thing.
You know, is he the guy thatwas?
Speaker 1 (46:15):
a Chicago gang.
He started a Chicago gang.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Oh yeah, larry Hoover .
Back in the 60s man, that'swhen I was a kid His name was
still in the streets because hewas still running things.
He got even behind, even inprison man in 1997.
He was convicted of running amass network, even from behind
(46:40):
bars, but Trump commuted hissentence, you know again.
So is he just?
Speaker 1 (46:48):
more useful on this side than he is in there.
I mean in terms of stirring up,just getting more black people
in trouble and getting them putin jail.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
He's going to catch a few I hate to use this word.
He's going to catch a fewpeople, a few unlearned people.
He's going to catch them, yeah,because again, like again with
with the genre or the group ofpeople that he know the rappers,
the gang leader and anotherperson they all fit into this
(47:18):
cultural group, right, or thisparticular group of people.
And so, like he's gonna, he'sagain 2026, going after this.
You're gonna catch a smallgroup of people and then, of
course, they're gonna be,they're gonna.
You know FAFO, just like theseblack MAGA people learn hey, we
won, we won.
And then the white guy says allwe wanted was your vote, yeah.
(47:39):
And then the black guy gets onsocial media and starts I was
rejected by Megan after I votedfor him.
It's like, what did you expect?
But yeah, man, with everythingthat's going on, man, it's just,
you know we have to stayprayerful, but we also have to
keep speaking.
You know, like this platform,man, we're doing just that and I
know that eventually we willgrab the steam that is needed
(48:02):
and uh, do you think it is ruleof law?
Speaker 1 (48:04):
is that the thing we should just focus on?
Rule of law, maintain right now.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Right now, yeah, because if we actually focus on
the rule of law, a lot of thesethings will actually all these
um executive orders that arejust, again, distractions they
can actually be cast down rightaway and we can keep moving
Because, again, technically, aconvicted felon cannot serve as
president right, and so a lot ofthe things that he's doing is
(48:31):
illegal.
If we can just focus on therule of law and when we focus on
the rule of law, even thoughthe law isn't perfect, it is
what's in place right now untilwe can get the right people in,
even though the law isn'tperfect, it is what's in place
right now until we can get theright people in there to do the
right things with it.
And of course, there's a lot ofholes that need to be patched
up within the law.
But of course, again with theseexecutive orders, like one ACLU
(48:54):
lawyer said, unfortunately wecan't sue or combat everything,
because we have a real weakchance of winning and if we give
them the win, we set aprecedence in that particular
thing, meaning that if thiscomes up again, there's
precedent that it was ruled inanother person's another favor.
(49:15):
You know what I mean?
Right, and so that's what it'slike it's a lot of things that
are going.
So, for me, just let's focus onthe law right now, the law, the
rule of law, because I mean Ithink that'll clean up a lot of
things that are going on.
So, for me, just let's focus onthe law right now, the law, the
rule of law, because I mean, Ithink that'll clean up a lot of
things.
I mean because, again, trumptaking a you know a jet from
Qatar they are.
Remember I don't know what, hisnet when he started running for
(49:38):
president in 2000,.
What was it?
16, 16, yeah, 15.
He had a net worth of less than2 billion.
Uh, the last I heard he is uhapproaching that, uh, the 30, 40
billion mark now.
He had less than 2 billiondollar net worth, but now again
he's a prophet of the presidencyman and again, a lot of the
(50:01):
things that he's doing.
They're so blatant, but yet noone will stand up to him,
particularly on that other side,because right now they have the
votes in the House and in theSenate to stop him, but they
won't.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
So that whole thing.
I love this because talk aboutrule of law the whole qatar um
gift deal, okay, and let'sremember, the gift is to the
united states of america until2026, at which point it will be
a gift to the trump nationalwhatever memorial library, which
then means he can use it forwhatever he wants, okay.
(50:36):
So, anyways, there's a thingcalled the emoluments Clause,
which is Article 1, section 9,paragraph 8 of that US
Constitution thing.
I've heard about it a couple oftimes lately.
That generally prohibitsfederal office holders from
receiving any gift, payment orother thing of value from a
(50:58):
foreign state or its rulers,officers or representatives.
It's also called the ForeignEmoluments Clause.
It affects the executive branch.
So the guys that you know wrotethis constitution, as much as
they were stupid about whatthree-fifths of a person meant,
which you know hello, you canlook up that if you don't know
(51:21):
what we're talking about.
But that when I thought, heardI as a white guy I didn't know
that that was even in ourconstitution, and I'm like holy
crap, what the hell were theythinking?
And now I know what they werethinking too.
Anyways, the emoluments clauseis there because of exactly what
this is doing.
Have you seen the pictures ofthis jet, have you seen?
It is called a palace on wingsokay, a palace in the air, and
(51:44):
it is.
It's got so many doodads andfancy marble whatever's and he's
so happy because they giftedthis.
I'm damn right, I'm gonna keepit damn right.
We should say thank you, ohokay.
Yeah, a country that has hadthe kinds of affluence as well
as the interactions that Qatarhas, we're going to keep a gift
(52:06):
from that like that.
And they're saying people thatif there was anything close to
that under a Democraticpresident, anything close to
that would have been received.
It would have just been like soirate.
But again, this is rule of law,not the craziness of the thing.
The atrocity is so far outside,beyond the pale, that it's like
(52:27):
what you know.
We are exhausted from just the.
What crazy ass shit did he dotoday?
You know wow, isn't that wow?
But wait a minute, what aboutthe rule of law?
Where are we at with the ruleof law?
Where are we at?
Because right now, they're beingextremely effective at wearing
down the judicial branch.
There's so much being done andso many cases that are flooding
(52:52):
the judicial system with theatrocities and the stupidity and
the just audaciousness of someof the absurdity and sanity of
some of the stuff that'shappening.
It's just wearing out thatsystem.
And then, as those people areworn out, what do you do?
You keep battering them, right.
So now you're getting all ofthese attacks on the liberal
judges.
(53:12):
Don't forget about the factthat half of them are appointed
More than half of them, I think,if you look at the numbers were
appointed by people like Reaganor Bush, or goodness gracious.
They're not exactly peoplecoming from a staunch liberal
background, but he's attackingthem on those grounds.
He's attacking them as beingthey are going to keep it from
(53:34):
making America safe again.
They're going to make it so Ican't do what I promised to do
for you people.
They're making the judges theenemies and if they're
successful at doing that withenough people, then there will
be no rule of law, because it isa judge's responsibility.
That's what a judge does isthey enforce and interpret and
(53:58):
continue to preserve the rule oflaw.
You don't go into a court oflaw and pull the shit that you
can pull on the streets, becauseyou know that in a court, there
are things like contempt.
In a court, you can beprosecuted for lying about
things In a court, you have tobe able to prove that what you
say is what happened.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Right, there is no fiddle-ly-fahoddley-foodly-fah
going on where you can just saywell, that's a mean thing that
he said whatever, wait, becauseyou know, like, in just even
just if the law was just simplybeing upheld to its highest best
regard right now, a lot of thelawsuits, a lot of the things
(54:40):
that are going on, like you said, on like you said, but you know
, people will be getting beingheld in contempt, you know, of
course, and then it's like, uh,when these people go before, uh,
these, uh, in thesecongressional hearings and
things like that, it's amazinghow it's like they'll say the
very thing in front of a camera,but they will not say it under
oath, and those kind of thingshave to be called out, and it's
like, hey, you just got outthere in front of a camera and
(55:03):
said this but why can't you sayit now?
And just something simple asthat, just, uh, pointing those
things out.
But again, you know, like,you're saying, like the, you
know they uh demonize the judgesfor calling out these things
and, of course, uh, forexecuting, for you know,
basically, for following the law.
And again, you, you blabber allthis stuff out in the media,
(55:25):
but in a courtroom you won't saythat, and then again, these
things are just being you know.
Then, of course, it keeps thatbase up broad.
They're really fighting for us,they're really doing this and
that, and the other is like no,they're not.
You know, it's just this is alot of it's a lot of stage play.
This is a lot of stage play.
It's theatrics.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
Well, what happens when they start shooting federal
judges.
Somebody gets all whipped upinto a lather and goes and
shoots a couple federal judgesbecause they're obviously
getting in the way of my man,trump, and they need to go.
They're wicked, wicked judgesand we need to get rid of these
wicked liberal, libertard judgesor whatever, and that we need
to get rid of these wickedliberal, libertard judges or
(56:03):
whatever.
You know not only that frothingup, but the other thing that
they've done that's insidiously.
I mean, these are smart people,but appointing somebody like
Pam Bondi as the attorneygeneral.
You know, or you know somebodythat is going to take our
marching orders from thepresident, which is not what an
attorney general is supposed todo.
(56:23):
They're supposed to take theirmarching orders from the
Department of Justice, ie thejudicial branch of the
government.
So even if a judicial branchdetermines that somebody has
committed a criminal offense,that they are held in contempt,
that they need to go to jail,like Steve Bannon did, right,
who are they going to get toenforce that right now?
Do you think Pam Bondi is goingto carry out an order from the
(56:46):
Supreme Court or a federal judge?
You think she's going to dothat?
That's going to be a realinteresting constitutional
crisis when that moment comes,because it's coming.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
Absolutely.
And, like you said, it's not anif but it's a when, and that's
what.
Are we going to be ready forthat?
And it's like how many peopleare going to stand up for the
law?
And again, just picking a side.
You know, when we talk abouteach side got its own marching
orders.
Instead of you know, we got tofind one thing to get behind and
fight for it.
(57:17):
And, just like they got onething, even if a lot of them
don't disagree, agree with it,they're fighting for that one
thing.
And so that's where we are,brother, and but you know, just
hope people just again come outof their news bubbles and see
how Everything that's been goingon is affecting us all as a
(57:51):
country and is our health, ourhealth, our finances, our
relationships, you know,communities everything is being
affected by these divisions, man, and we're in a.
I just thank God that I'm aChristian, you know.
I thank God that he has given mea different lens to look
through and, like we were saying, it's like, you know, of course
, being able to talk to thesethings without emotion uh, I'm
getting better at it, but at thesame time, it's like we have to
fight these things in the rightheart's posture and that's
(58:12):
where you know we gotta get toeven more so because, again, you
know when the enemy can bringour heart out of the right
posture we've actually falleneven a step below the person
that's doing the nonsense,because we've stepped beneath
them.
And so just, uh, you know, justgetting, you know, starting with
the church, just getting people, you know back to Jesus saying,
(58:33):
hey, you know our Jesus doesn'tclimb walls and bust out
windows.
I know the Bible clearly tellsus you can't say you love God
and hate people.
You know unbalanced skills arean abomination to the Lord.
The Lord, he hates six thingshe hates, and the seventh is an
abomination to him.
It's like people theycherry-pick scripture to fit
(58:53):
what they want it to fit.
But it's like you're going toeither follow the whole Bible or
none of it.
Speaker 1 (59:01):
And there's got to be room at the table for guys with
Bears hats and Star Trek hats,and that's as Walter Cronkite
used to say, and that's the wayit is on May 31st 2025 in these
United States of America.
So thanks, folks, thanks,united States of America.
(59:21):
So, folks, thanks.
I'm Raul LaBrush and this guyhere, the fun man that I talk
with on this show, you areAntoine Hallman.
Antoine Hallman Sr.
Aren't you, antoine?
Speaker 2 (59:34):
Yeah, I'm Sr.
However, I've just been goingback to saying Antoine Hallman.
Speaker 1 (59:39):
You're just plain old Antoine Hallman Either or Okay,
either.
Or.
You're just plain old AntoineHolman Either or Okay, either or
so could we build a show ofthat.
It's all Russian.
Plain old Antoine Holman.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
Well, my speech is very plain and that's why people
it's like they expect somethingsuper deep and it's like nope.
Let's see how simple this is.
And you know, the Bible saysthe power of the Holy Ghost can
only operate in peace, and sowhen we are, you know, minds
(01:00:09):
free of clutter, his power canoperate.
Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Amen, all right folks , thanks for listening.
So much tuning in here on Frameof Reference coming together
and I hope you'll tune in againnext time and you'll co-find
5,000 or five or six or 10,000of your friends and have them
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and comment at www.4FORSalkcom.
All right, take care everybody.
(01:00:33):
Bye y'all, thank you.
let's have it, let's have it.
That's what I say.
Let's have it, just like, likethe brother says, let's have it.
And you may be wondering whatit is.
Well, it is coming together.
Frame of reference comingtogether.
I'm Raul Labreche and you,young man, are who?
(00:35):
Again?
Antoine Halvin?
Ah yes, I've heard of youbefore.
Aren't you involved with thatcutting edge like reality
probing and reality revealingshow?
Frame of reference comingtogether.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Aren't you?
Oh, yeah, I'm on there.
Yeah, I roll with those guys.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
We've been hanging for what?
Two years now, something likethat Two years now, man.
This is getting to be kind ofold hat now, so like my old hat,
but mine's not.
Look at you with a Bears hat.
What is going on here, dude?
We're recording in Wisconsinand you're up in the Greenberry
area.
For goodness sakes, man, whatare you got?
A death wish, or what?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Oh man, I've been a Bears fan since then, man, but
there's some great things comingout of the team this year.
We're excited about some of themoves they made.
So every year we say this isour year, so this is our year.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
You know the Packers and the Bears have got one of
the best like long-termrivalries of any franchises out
there, I swear.
And it's fun because you knowboth working class teams you
know started out as just youknow beer hall brawlers and a
lot of that.
You know mentality, I think hasjust continued into the present
(01:55):
times.
But fun, fun, I wonder.
You know I'll pay good money tosee Pope Leo with a Bears hat
on.
I think that would be kind offun for him to show up at, you
know, easter Mass with a Bearshat on.
I think that would be kind offun for him to show up at, you
know, easter Mass with a Bearscap.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
That would get some chuckles.
Oh yeah, there's a millionmemes out there right now with
him dressed in Bears attire andall these kind of things.
So, yeah, I'm not on Instagram.
Well, let's see, I am, but I'mnot on Instagram and all the
other ones.
But you know, like my wife,she'll show me some real funny
things out there right now.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, that's.
I've been doing a sub stack andthey've got lots of, lots of
fun stuff there, too.
Got to be careful with thatstuff, though, too.
You know a lot of people sayingdid you hear what Pope Leo said
?
And it got, like, you know,transcribed, you know speeches,
and you look it up and it's like, yeah, that never happened.
I mean, you know they make itso plausible, but it's just
(02:46):
indicative of a lot of stuffgoing on these days, right, you
know I heard such and such didblah, blah, blah and really okay
, right, okay.
So.
So today, what are we talkingabout?
My man?
What's going on today in ourworld?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
we're gonna talk about that.
Uh, the big beautiful bill, man, uh, the big beautiful bill can
you even believe that that's athing?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I mean that that that they're actually making that
the way they're calling it thetriple b, right?
It's just it's being andeveryone's supposed to know the
triple b is the big beautifulbill, as I are you what that
couple of years ago, I mean backin Reaganomics days?
Can you imagine him introducingsomething and saying we've got
(03:30):
a big beautiful bill here?
It just sounds stupid.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I don't get it.
It does, man.
And the thing is, you know, ofcourse, they create these
acronyms and these silly sayingsjust to keep their base
captivated, man, and just keepthem engaged with some nonsense.
But also, at the same time,it's that illusory truth effect
where they just keep repeatingthings over and over again to
(03:57):
make them familiar, even it maynot be true, it may be bad, but
you keep hearing it enough thatyou become so familiar with it
that you just dismiss it as okay, well, that's what it is.
If they keep saying that that'swhat it is and and that's again
.
I keep saying man, the, thecountry has fallen under this,
uh, dark psychology spell, man,and just tactic after tactic are
(04:19):
being used on us man and it.
It just is a shame.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
It strikes me that the most insidious deal that has
been going on is the refusal toacknowledge another point of
view, that they're.
A refusal to acknowledge that asubstantial and intelligent
(04:45):
argument against something isnot a reason to attack it.
It's a reason to understand theframe of reference Ooh,
somebody should do a show calledthat the frame of reference
from which that question comes,because there is validity.
I mean, we say all the time,you know, perspective is 98%
reality, right?
So my perspective is there'ssome real problems here.
(05:08):
Well, we've gotten into thispsychology, this national
psychology of the minute.
Someone has a question, that'sa threat and you need to stamp
on those questions immediatelyand all that does is force
people to get in line.
So the real, the motivation isnot to understand.
The motivation is not to makesure that information is
(05:31):
correctly disseminated and, youknow, conveyed.
The motivation is to shutanyone up that might get in the
way of passing this thing.
Ride over them with a tank ifyou need to, whatever it takes,
just do not let there be anydissension whatsoever.
And it's all over the spectrum.
I mean, you can't even ask aquestion.
You can't even ask a questionwithout it becoming you know.
(05:55):
Oh, you're worried about JoeBiden and his cancer.
Is that what you're worriedabout?
You're not worried about savingsome money?
No, not you.
You ought to text me going tothat's what you're worried about
.
Huh, you're not worried aboutsaving some money?
No, not you, you ought to textme.
I mean, it's like did I say anyof that?
I asked a question.
I asked a question.
There ought to be room at thetable for questions, and if you
(06:19):
can't, answer them then that'syour attack.
Then I got to believe that thereisn't an answer to the question
, or the question is sothreatening that you don't want
to even give away a little bitof you know leeway.
That, oh you know, we hadn'tthought about that.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, and it's just again kind of going along.
What you're just saying, liketo admit if any dissension, any
question, and that's why they'retaking, that's why they're
attacking education, is so tough, man.
Like you know, the Departmentof Education, they're attacking
Harvard, any free-thinkinginstitution.
They're going to attack it andof course they're trying to it's
(06:52):
education.
You dumb down a country.
They don't have the capacity tofight or capacity to even
question, and it's going to beone opinion, one way of doing
things, one rule.
And again, that's just with thisbig beautiful bill.
That's just a tip of theiceberg of all the insidious
(07:15):
things that are really going on,man, and that's why we hope and
pray that people just come outof their own news bubble and
really see the effect of thisthing and what it'll be on other
communities, particularlymarginalized communities, colors
of community, communities ofcolor.
You know in the course, but wealso got to understand the true
motivation behind this bill isto take from the poorest 10
(07:40):
percent and give it to therichest 10 percent, right, yeah,
and it's just a shame, man,you're going to give a tax break
to the rich and make poorpeople pay for it.
And again, we were talkingabout that book offline a second
ago, dying of Whiteness.
Of course I haven't read it yet, but it was in discussion on
(08:03):
another show that I watch it yet.
But it was just a.
It was a in discussion onanother uh show that I watch and
it just basically.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
People will vote against their own best interest
to keep their agenda intact andthat's the scary part well, as
long as you can get people tothink that they're going to get
the most important stuff thatthey care about is going to be
protected, they'll vote foranything.
Um, you know that that'sultimately what this whole
movement is capitalized on isthere were a whole bunch of
people that were afraid, andthey still are afraid, and fear
(08:34):
usually turns into anger in mostmen.
I mean, that's just, that's theway we're wired.
You know, we get afraid, butthen eventually you either, you
know, succumb to the fear or youget angry enough to just, you
know, screw it.
I'm doing something about this,and you know they call that in
the battlefield that's calledcourageousness.
Right, you just, it's not that,you know heroes will tell you
(08:56):
too.
It's not that I was any moreheroic.
I just got tired of sittingthere in the foxhole getting the
crap beat out of us and decidedI had to do something right.
Foxhole, getting the crap beatout of us, and decided I had to
do something right.
So you got this whole group ofpeople that's been marginalized
because their jobs have largelybeen taken away.
They've been, you know, movedto other countries where it's
cheaper to pay for the workforceto do those jobs.
(09:17):
They've been replaced withother industries that can do the
job, disposable things insteadof cleaning old stuff, you know
cheaper cars that come fromoffshore versus them fixing your
old ones or building a bigAmerican car here, All of those
things which were legitimateconcerns.
I mean, people were sufferingall over the place, but in every
(09:40):
single freaking case, thepeople that were suffering were
not just white, they weren'tjust black, they weren't just
anything.
They were people that were nothaves.
They were people that did nothave power to control what was
going on around them, and thatpower was being wielded by
people that did have money, didhave the resources, did have
(10:02):
boards that they needed torespond to and said hey, we can
return 28% more profit if weshut down our plant in Tuscanoma
, whatever, and move it to, youknow, Puerto Vallarta, Mexico,
where the labor is, you know aquarter of what it is here, and
we'll be able to make just asgood a car, because those people
work hard, they need jobs, yada, yada, yada.
(10:25):
So it wasn't the Mexicans'fault, right?
It wasn't the people downthere's fault.
It was the people that werelooking to make more money and
spread more of that wealth tothemselves.
So not only have more moneyfrom all this profit that
they've getting over the yearsnow of having manufacturing
offshore.
But now we know that it's goingto take some time to move that
(10:49):
stuff back if it ever gets movedback, because that's a whole
other talk, right.
If they get it moved back, butin the meantime we're going to
give those guys because they pay45% of the taxes, so we're
going to give them some otherbreaks too.
And they never stopped to thinkthat, guys, the reason they pay
45% of the taxes is becausethey make so freaking much money
(11:11):
that that's that's what thatturns out into that they make so
much more than 90% of the restof us that, yeah, they pay 45%
because they've got.
Of all the money that'sgenerated, they got 95% of it.
So figure out the math.
It's just such a scarysituation Like you say, dying of
(11:33):
whiteness, because we'reteaching people to not ask
questions.
We're just getting them pissedoff about things that we know
they're pissed off about alreadyand getting them all agitated
so they won't think about oh,wait a minute, wait a minute.
That's not really true.
I don't know.
Wait a minute.
I what about this order?
Oh, don't ask any questionsabout that.
(11:55):
We're helping you.
Damn it, shut up so well.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
You know, when it comes to those jobs, man uh,
it's almost like they're nevergoing to come back.
Like you said, man uh, just uh.
You know, of course, the profitmargins are so great on labor
in other countries that they'renot going to come back.
At the same time, you know,it's like again a good portion
of America has voted againsttheir own best interests, like
with this big beautiful bill,for instance.
(12:19):
Again you're taking money fromthe least and giving it to the
most, and the sad part of it is,you know, at the end of the day
, you know these jobs are notcoming back, let's just be.
But at the same time, like okay, things that have been put in
place are being rolled back.
You know the inflationreduction act.
You know they're rolling allthose things back.
(12:42):
The chips act they're takingmoney from all those things that
were put in place to try tobring some form of manufacturing
back to the United States.
This current administration isclipping it at the kneecaps and
it's funny like we were talkingabout this prior, like during
the election season.
You know, back in earlyNovember, or so you know they
(13:03):
were sitting.
You know, you know, back inearly November, or so you know
they were sitting.
You know they had this townhall in a place that is in
Michigan, a place that the CHIPSAct built.
People were saying they don'tsee it, and it's like two of the
three, three out of two, twoout of the three young men that
stood up and spoke were likeyeah, I just bought a house
because of this factory that wasjust built here.
(13:23):
And it's like do you know whobuilt it?
Do you know how that money cameto your community?
But yet, at the same time, theyvoted against their own best
interests and the thing is,those plants are probably going
to close.
We pray that they don't, butthose jobs are going to be taken
away because of what thisadministration is dying to do,
which is give money to therichest people in the country.
(13:45):
Here and again, it's like theimpact on all of us man is going
to just, we got people in Texasdying to measles man, yeah, you
know we get.
You know, of course, like,hospitals are closing all over
the place, you know.
And then, of course, it's goingto be, I think, this conference
.
I can't remember where I heardit, but it was like there was a
conversation about, you know,like medical student enrollment.
(14:08):
No, that's down.
You know, it's like people arelike, generally want to be
doctors, are like, well, I don'tknow, you know.
And of course, when we talkabout you know, with this thing,
with cutting health care andcutting insurances and all these
different things, it's going tojust be a less healthy America,
man.
It's going to.
Of course, this is going tohurt us more than it helps us,
(14:29):
you know.
And of course the other sideknows this, man.
You know they've done thenumbers, they've ran the numbers
.
You know it's going to make aless healthy workforce.
It's going to decreaseproductivity, man.
It's going to rise health carecosts, man, and people are just
still not getting this.
Man.
This is the sad part.
It's going to be a lot ofplaces again, with hospitals and
(14:52):
healthcare providers.
They're going to start to closeor they're going to be turning
people away because, hey, yourinsurance is inadequate or is
not covered.
And then, of course, justthinking about these people with
pre-existing illnesses, youknow, diabetes, etc.
You know we're in a tough spaceand I just hope people's eyes
are open to see that we reallyneed to stand up against this
(15:14):
thing.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, and when we realize it, will it be too late?
You know it's scary to thinkabout, but you know we keep
talking about.
You know it's scary to thinkabout, but you know we keep
talking about.
You know well, the 2026elections, that'll turn things
around.
It's like you really think wegot that long, huh?
What's your plan B or C or D?
(15:36):
Because I'm not convinced that.
I don't know.
I don't know, you know.
It strikes me that when you'redoing things as outlandish as
what are being done right now,you're not worried about getting
(15:57):
reelected.
You're, you're, I don't know.
People behave that way whenthey've just gotten a cancer
diagnosis, you know.
When you know you've got sixmonths to live, you know, you
figure what the hell they're nothaving an election in 2026.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
if it's up to them, you know what I mean.
They're trying to lock thisthing down with the SAVE Act.
What we were talking about acouple weeks ago, the SAVE Act,
you know, of course you'reasking for all these additional
pieces of identification to beeligible to vote and then, of
course, in the process, in themeanwhile, they are actually
purging voter scrolls all overthe country.
(16:31):
A lot of people have lost theirability to vote and don't even
know it, and it's just again allthese little things that are
going again.
What we're talking about?
this bill, big, better, big,beautiful bill bill it's just
the tip of what's really goingon underneath, man.
And then, of course, you know,and, yes, when we talk about the
(16:51):
haves and have nots, you know,just, from my eyes, man, this is
all racial.
You know, it's all racial, itit?
To me, it boils down to race.
I know, of course, no, you cansay it's the have and have nots,
but it's about race, it's aboutwhite supremacy and, like we
were saying, like even peoplethat don't necessarily agree
with the white supremacy part,they're still going to fall in
(17:12):
line with the, with the marchingorders of the administration,
even if it hurts them, andthat's the scary part.
So it's like no reasoning withsome of these people and it's
like can't you see what this isgoing to do?
You know, like we're talkingall children, all older adults,
all people with disabilities aregoing to be the most affected
(17:33):
by this thing.
When we're talking aboutcutting Medicaid or SNAP, you
know people in nursing homes,people that need personal care,
and it just goes.
It's just just.
That goes beyond race.
Yeah, when people voted forthis administration, they're
(18:16):
still saying they still supporthim.
And again, it's just.
It's just like you're talkingto a wall when you're talking
with some of these things.
It's just, it's like you'retalking to a wall when you're
talking with some of thesethings, but it's like we just
have to keep sounding the alarmman.
We have to keep speaking outand talking about what these
things actually mean and whenpeople hopefully they'll
actually realize the impact oneverybody, not just a group of
(18:37):
people like they thought itwould.
You know, of course, uh, it's,uh, it's going to affect us all
in the long run.
You know, of course.
And cause, at the end of the day, you know, with this
administration, with the, withthe threat of cutting the social
security, with the threat ofcutting medicaid, they're trying
to privatize all these thingsagain so the upper rich half can
(18:59):
kind of portion and ration outwhat they think the rest of us
should have and a lot of peopledon't get, but they're in the
same boat as us.
Yeah, if you don't make xamount of dollars, you're in
this boat, and then that's whyyou see people rising up.
You know certain groups ofpeople starting to rise up.
Well, what about?
Hey, what about that?
And it's like you voted for it,right?
(19:19):
You know, it's like uh, youknow roland martin, he has this
shirt F-A-F-O, and just blinkaround and find out.
You know, yeah, yeah, and youknow F-O.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
I've looked up your book Dying of Whiteness.
It's by a man named JonathanMetzl.
He's a doctor and the premiseof it is in election after
election, conservative whiteAmericans have embraced
politicians who pledged to maketheir lives great again.
But as physician Jonathan MMetzl shows in Dying of
(19:58):
Whiteness, the policies thatresult actually place white
Americans at ever greater riskof sickness and death.
Interviewing a range ofeveryday Americans, metzl
examines how racial resentmenthas fueled program laws in
Missouri, resistance to theAffordable Care Act in Tennessee
(20:18):
and cuts to schools and socialservices in Kansas.
He shows these policies' costsincreasing deaths by gun suicide
, falling life expectancies andrising dropout rates.
Well, now doesn't that soundlike a wonderful world to live
in.
So it is true that we arekilling ourselves, we're
(20:48):
allowing.
I don't understand.
Help me understand how you canbelieve that you are a Christian
and you have convenientlyforgotten that that which you do
unto the least of these, you dounto me as well.
How do you cognitivelyundissonate the dissonance that
(21:14):
occurs from living a life thatsays you know, I am pro-life,
pro-life, pro-life, but screwyou once you're born.
You know, Exactly, Screw you.
I mean, you know I will protectthat baby's right to be born
until the day I die.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Or we want to give certain groups of women $5,000
to have a baby.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or $1,000 to put into theiraccounts.
You know, once they're bornright, you're going to get a
$1,000 rebate and up to $5,000,right for a savings account.
You know it's interestingbecause you know, whenever that
stuff is done, it's always huh,wow, that's a really good idea.
(22:00):
And then you start to peel backthe curtain and go, huh, and
put that curtain down.
Boy, what are you doing?
It's like when you lift up thelady's skirt to don't.
What's it going to take?
What's it going to take for usto wake up and say wait a minute
(22:22):
, wait a minute.
Privatizing healthcare means theonly way you privatize
something is if somebody knowsthey can make money on it.
You don't privatize somethingthat is a losing proposition.
Nobody's going to invest in it.
You're not going to get a boardto support it.
It ain't going to happen.
So follow the money right.
(22:43):
If he really is serious aboutprivatizing it, you're exactly
right.
It's going to become a systemwhere they're going to cut costs
.
You don't hire.
You know if you're privatizinganything, you don't hire a bunch
of people to make life easierfor the single person that's
working.
You hire exactly as many as youneed to get the job done and
(23:04):
then you squeeze that person asmuch as you can to get as much
work out of them as possible sothat the bottom line is better.
You can go to the boardrooms atthe end of the year and say,
gentlemen, we thought we weregoing to make $6 billion, but
through some efficiencies andscrewing a whole bunch of people
, we made $8 billion.
So thank you very much.
I'll take my bonus now.
Appreciate talking with youagain.
(23:25):
You know, I mean it's just and,yeah, it is racist, because
these folks that have been liedto and lied to themselves for so
long are being lied to by abunch of really important white
men that they think are just.
You know, look at howsuccessful that guy is.
He must be really brilliant.
Yeah, no, he just knows how toscrew people really well.
(23:47):
Um, you know, because he wentto the you know, whites only
club of screw everybody aroundyou as much as possible so that
you come out on top.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
It's just a class you have to take.
Because people are really justthe eyes have to be opened.
You know, the veil has to betorn on these just really the
impact on it all.
You know, of course, likeyou're saying, the provocation
of it.
You know, of course, who'sgoing to benefit Insurance
companies.
You know, if you cut Medicaidand those things, insurance
(24:17):
companies are going to benefitbecause again, they're going to
pick and choose who they chooseto cover.
Of course, premiums are going togo up through the roof on all,
and then, of course, there'sgoing to be a lot of people
turned away and then there'sgoing to just be they're going
to make the majority of themoney by doing less work.
They're going to make moremoney doing less work.
Well, of course.
(24:38):
And then, of course, even whenit comes to prescriptions, you
know, oh, my goodness, you know,remember when insulin?
You know they got it down to$35?
Yeah, Now, what are you goingto do?
You're going to be back topaying a good portion of your
fixed income just for aprescription, and these are the
(24:59):
things that people voted for,you know.
And, of course, when we starttalking about all these things,
the whole economy at large.
Again we got people dying ofsomething that was eradicated
forever ago measles, you know.
Then you put a guy that, avaccine denier or I don't know
what, that Robert F, I don'tknow what to call them anymore.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Anti vaxxers yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Him.
I just guess you just call himcrazy, I mean brain.
So I don't know if you saw thepicture of him swimming in that
DC Creek.
You know where it's like.
You know it's like all theseliving organisms that make
people sick.
He's swimming in that dc creek.
You know where it's like, uh,you know it's like all these
living organisms that uh makepeople sick.
He's swimming in it and that'sthe person that is uh giving us
(25:42):
uh health care advice.
And but, yeah, it's like again,when it comes to these things,
no, insurance companies, they'regoing to benefit the most.
Um, all these uh public healthcare programs, they're going to
go away.
And, of course, again, rememberhow people still have not a lot
of people have not been able todifferentiate Obamacare from
the Affordable Care Act.
(26:03):
They don't realize it's thesame thing and we're still stuck
there, you know, and it's likejust shifting people from public
to private insurance is goingto just lead to so much more
complexities in this thing.
Man, they're going to be morestringent on eligibility.
There's going to be, you know,just, it's going to be more
difficult for people to accessaffordable health care, and
(26:24):
that's where the country isgoing to get sick.
My wife checked this book out ofthe library years ago and I
want to.
I can't remember, but I waslike I jokingly said that she
got us on the list, but it waslike how to destroy a country
from within.
It was talking about attackingthe health care system,
attacking the education system.
You know, like we take away aperson's ability to think, you
(26:45):
know, and it's like you get itjust, and it was just all these
list of things and it's like wow, I'm starting to see these
things live and present.
And you know, but we knew itwas coming with Project 2025.
We knew it was coming.
A lot of people was like, oh no, they ain't finna do that.
But lo and behold, here we are.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah right, you know, I had this thought and it
strikes me that so much of thisstuff is being done to increase
the likelihood.
There's a movie called StrawDogs years ago it was made by
(27:29):
Sam Peckinpah and really violentfilm has.
Probably I don't know enough, Ihaven't seen enough movies but
it has one of the most violentrape scenes in any movie and
Peckinpah took a lot of griefover that.
But he wanted to show how uglyrape really was.
(27:51):
But the point of the rape wasto continue to push the central
character who was played byDustin Hoffman.
And the straw dog is a termthat's used, I guess, in Ireland
.
I had not heard of it beforethen, but apparently you put a
dog on a leash, you keeptaunting it and eventually it
(28:11):
will turn into just an insanelyattack-everything dog.
And Dustin Hoffman is that strawdog.
Right, he starts out as justthis wonderful intellectual man
(28:31):
who loves.
They've moved to the Irishcountryside, it's a beautiful
place, His wife is from thereand you know, lo and behold,
there are some old, old, youknow good old boy, Ireland guys
that see her and she's done wellfor herself by marrying this
American, Dustin Hoffman, andthey're still, you know, working
(28:54):
class guys, whatnot.
She is not smart and tauntsthem and she ends up being the
one that's raped by a guy thatshe had relationships with when
she was younger.
And he takes her right.
And not only does he take her,but then his brother, who's
waiting in there, takes her too,and it's just like fuck around,
(29:15):
find out.
Right here it is, in you knowliving color.
My point in all of this is itstrikes me that all of this I
can say it because I'm not thereverend with the sole intent of
getting poor people and blackpeople, people of color, so
(29:38):
pissed off that they revolt,that they start protesting in
the streets in a big way.
And this time he won't have anygenerals saying you can't go
out there and shoot them all.
Well, can't we just shoot themin the legs?
Recorded conversation, Can't wejust shoot them in the legs?
And General Miley is like no,you can't do that on US citizens
(29:59):
.
So there won't be anybody thistime to stop the bloodshed.
It won't be the National Guardcoming to rescue people, it will
be the National Guard coming toeradicate people.
And I don't you know people can, I guess, get all over me for
(30:22):
even suggesting that that wouldbe the end game.
But it makes sense that youjust keep pushing and pushing,
and pushing.
And even the nicest, calmest,most warm and fuzzy, I think the
dog that they show in theexample of this, the beginning
of the movie, is like aschnauzer.
You know this cute littleScottish schnauzer or Scottish
(30:46):
terrier or whatnot.
They turn him into just a nasty, nasty dog and I worry what's
the solution to keep them fromwinning that end game that way?
Because I've noticed, even with, like, the protests that have
been going on around area foryou know, hands off, that it's
(31:07):
been pretty white, which I'vebeen good with because I don't
want there to be any, you know,thing of, oh, it's a black
people, blah, blah, blah.
If it's white people, it's hardto have that argument right.
So, but you know, at what pointdo you think the black
community is just going to sayfuck this man, fuck this, fuck
(31:27):
you, I don't care anymore, thisis fucking insane, we're not
fucking putting up with thisanymore.
And, you know, run right intothe machine gun this anymore.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
And, you know, run right into the, the machine gun,
well, and that's uh, and againthat is uh.
That is a kind of the end gameof the course that goes back a
few years ago when they actuallystarted, uh, you know,
lightening all these, uh, allthe gun legislation.
They're trying to make iteasier and easier for people to
carry guns, you know, especiallyin those southern states,
because remember, they weretalking about a new civil war.
And of course, uh, and thenit's like uh, it was uh on the
news, uh, a white gentleman.
(32:00):
I can't remember what state hewas in, but he was like when do
we get to start shooting people?
And it's like whoa montana, youknow.
And it's yeah, and it's likewhen do we?
It's like whoa, and then, but,you know, again it's like yeah,
that's what, that's what this,uh.
That's why we say man, no, it'suh, it's this is all racial.
In my eyes, it's all racial.
Of course, you're going tomarginalize people and then
(32:20):
you're going to create lawsagainst that people, then you're
going to agitate that peopleand then you're going to execute
that law, and then, of course,yes, we're just praying that it
doesn't lead to bloodshed, butwe're just praying that we take
the proper actions and wecontinue to.
We've got to reach out to theseelected officials, man.
We got to reach out to thesesenators and representatives and
(32:41):
express our opposition to theseproposed bills and laws that
they're trying to set.
And we got to participate insome form of advocacy, you know.
We got to get involved and wegot to join organizations and
campaigns that are looking toprotect those social safety nets
.
And then, of course, againgoing back to what we've been
(33:03):
talking about since thebeginning, brother, it's just
like people need to be learned,they need to get informed, they
need to vote.
And of course, again becausethis thing is again talking
about the big beautiful billit's again talking about the big
beautiful bill.
There's the SAVE Act underneaththis that's again trying to
marginalize the black vote andthe brown vote.
There's environmental racism,structural racism, there's
(33:27):
economic racism.
It's all these different things, man.
I know we say the haves andhave-nots, but in my eyes it's
starting to become more and moreracial, because again, anything
that supports anything black orbrown is being taken away.
And then again people arestarting to say, well, I got
caught up in the same fishnet.
And now it's like you hear alittle bit of a pushback, but at
(33:51):
the same time they'll stillvote for the same person.
And that's where, you know,again, we just have to get more
involved, we have to startsticking up.
You know, in the course andthis, even though, like say, in
some areas you got a good mix ofpeople, the problems still
(34:11):
exist.
But I do my concern is also forthose areas where they like,
say, the Louisianas, theMississippis, the Tennessees,
where there are predominantlyblack communities that are being
subject to these cancer causingcompanies.
And you know, it's just so muchgoing on beyond what we see.
And that's where we're justtrying to get people to open
(34:31):
their eyes, come out of theirnews bubble and really just
start to say, hey, this is notright.
Again, you know it's, we're not.
No, I'm not an end timespreacher, but the Bible says
there'll be wars and rumors ofwars.
You know, brother againstbrother, sister against brother,
(34:53):
absolutely.
And there's so many differentthings and we're seeing them
play out, and so we just have topray, but in the meantime, man
just praying that the scales arecoming off people's eyes,
because the impact of thesethings don't just affect one
group of people, they affect usall.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
If it were possible in those end days, even the
elect would be deceived.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
They are being deceived because you got some
prominent preachers man areactually voting for this guy and
actually supporting this guy.
You know and again, you know,and that's where you know.
Of course, as a pastor, youknow, of course some of my
gripes have been with the churchbecause a lot of people say
where is the church in all ofthis?
You know, of course, some of mygripes have been with the
church because a lot of peoplesay where is the church in all
(35:40):
of this?
Of course, I used to ask yearsago, like when I was a part of a
group in the Bear Bore.
I was like, hey, are y'allpreaching on race?
And, of course, are y'allpreaching on this?
Because this is what needs tobe talked about.
Are y'all preaching on this?
Because, again, now you have alot of churches in areas they're
not preaching.
They're not even preachingJesus anymore.
They're.
(36:00):
You know, trump is the goldencalf and that's all they're
preaching is like church is nowa rally and rally in Jesus.
Yeah, yes, and no, cause he saidhey, uh, you know, people honor
them with their mouths, buttheir hearts are far from them.
You know, and it's a brother.
(36:22):
You know we are praying because, uh, we're in a, we're in a,
we're in a tough space and wejust know, when we talk about,
you know, republican anddemocrat, you know, of course,
no, we, you and I, we both agreeand disagree on both sides of
the fence.
But you know, and again, it'slike when we talk about one
group, like we were talkingabout you know, earlier, it like
, you know, on the Republicanside of things, in my eyes it's
(36:44):
all about white supremacy.
Even those that don'tnecessarily agree with it, they
are falling in line.
And so, like on the left side,we've got to have one goal, one
point of view that we all lineup behind.
And I would say, hey, let'sline up behind the law, let's
line up behind.
(37:04):
And I would say, hey, let'sline up behind the law, let's
line up behind keeping that.
And because I know, likethere's all this bickering
underneath this big tent andnothing's getting done and
you're just uh, letting people,we're basically being walked all
over, you know, again, with allthese uh bills that are being
thrown up and passed.
And of course we're going tosee man, we're going to see it's
(37:34):
hard to not feel like it'spointless.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
You know which is exactly the emotional state, I
think.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
And that's what they're trying.
That's the intent.
Remember, steve Bannon saidthat he's like every day, throw
out three different things Keepthem scattering, keep them off
balance.
Keep them off balance, keepthem off keel, have them chasing
their tails in a circle whilewe're getting one thing.
If we can get one thing througha day, they've won.
And they're doing, they'reexecuting that to a t.
(38:09):
And, of course, again, when itcomes to a lot of the things
that are going on, a lot ofpeople don't care about.
Yes, uh, medicaid right now.
No, uh, this, uh, big,beautiful bill.
It's surprisingly that majorityof of Americans don't care that
you're going to take money frompoor people and give it to rich
people.
It's almost like they don'tcare.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, it's like I think peopleare so used to being screwed,
you know, like, okay, so they'rescrewing me.
Yeah, so what?
As long as I got my beer, aslong as I got my hamburger, as
long as I got my reality TV showthat I can watch, I mean, we've
gotten, you know, such asignificant part of the nation
(38:53):
has been kind of lulled intothis Pied Piper state that we're
, you know, just following thePied Piper wherever you know and
he can lead us right off acliff and we'll just keep
following because that tune isawful nice, that flute sounds
awful good, you know, kind ofthing.
Yeah, I mean, it's just theonly thing that gets me through
(39:19):
most days is thinking well, god,you got a plan.
Just help me see what your planfor me is in it, because to
think it's going to be won byhuman hands and not by spiritual
swords, I think that's wherethe exhaustion comes in.
And thankfully, I've seen a lotof different types in this
(39:41):
movement.
I don't see a lot of zealots,you know.
I see a lot of, you know,people that you know appear to
just be strong.
You know, there's a lot ofstrong men in this movement.
You know a lot of strong womenthat are, you know, really
fighting for justice and truthand yada, yada, yada.
(40:02):
But I don't see many zealots,which I don't see that
righteousness thing comingthrough very often anymore.
It's more petulance than it isrighteousness.
So I'm waiting for thatrighteous voice that comes out
and is willing to challenge the,that righteous voice that comes
(40:24):
out and is willing to challengethe status quo with
respectfulness and just lasersharp precision of not getting
caught up.
You know, it'd be like the WestWing type of thing.
You know where Aaron Sorkin canjust write some beautiful,
beautiful speeches that you knowif, if there are people in the
(40:45):
world that can have command ofthe facts and the data as well
as those characters do, and toargue against stupidity on any
front.
You know you can.
It's like you know spock takingthe test to get him back to
being spock, and in star trek,what is it?
Voyage, voyage, home, and he'sjust answering like questions
from three different computersat the same time and he's just,
(41:06):
you know, all over the placewith physics questions and
philosophy questions and youknow, boom, boom, boom, boom,
boom.
I'd like to have those kinds ofpeople on a team that can just,
you know, stupid question orstupid point comes up and
they've got the knowledge andthe things in their head enough
to say okay, on article 16.4 ofthis bill, you state blah, blah,
blah.
What does that mean to you?
(41:28):
Well, as we said before no, no,no.
I asked you direct.
What does that mean to you?
No, no, no, I asked you.
What does that mean to you?
If we have to take the whole 15minutes that I have to talk
with you, I am going to get astraight answer from you on that
one thing.
So I don't care who you've beencoached by here that said just
keep obfuscating, keepdeflecting, keep deflecting,
(41:49):
keep bouncing, keep bouncing,keep bouncing.
I'm not going to let you dothat.
I'm going to tell you righthere, right now bitch, you
aren't going to answer thisquestion, so you want to keep
dancing with me?
I'm okay with dancing thisquestion?
So you want to keep dancingwith me?
I'm okay with dancing, butyou're going to answer this
question.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
And that's where you know, again, it's like when
we're talking about, you know,our spirituality, man, and being
men, men of God, and there'swomen, mighty women of God out
there.
You know, of course we have tofight, you're exactly right.
You know a person that get thatangelic wisdom, that can talk
to every situation in a way thatis not emotional, and of course
, that's kind of my feel rightthere.
It's like, you know, it's likeagain, it's like when somebody
(42:25):
says something super stupid,it's like what is wrong with you
?
And then, of course, but at thesame time, it's like, you know,
it's like so you're trying tofight with the right heart's
posture Because, again, we can't, you know, repay evil with evil
(42:46):
but overcome evil with good,and of course, we can be just as
loud, but we just got to keepthe right heart's posture.
And, yes, and there's thosepeople like you're saying,
brother, there's people outthere that can do exactly what
you're asking, but you know, ofcourse they are afraid, you know
, they know all they got to dois mention your name and then
you're going to get a bombardedwith a bunch of hate mail and
people, but no one past thehouse, honking and all those
kinds of things, and and, andit's like the intimidate again,
(43:07):
white supremacy, man, theintimidation of it all, uh, the
voter suppression, part of itall, uh, all the bills and
things that are being passed tomarginalize, to minimalize, uh,
to basically uh, keep, you know,the system, systemic and
systematic issues at bay.
Yeah, and it is just like, again, man, we, the world, is waiting
(43:29):
for the manifestation of thesons of God.
Man, and you know, of coursethe sons of God are those that
are going to tell the truth,regardless of the consequence to
us.
You know, and that's that'swhat we are.
And so, and when we, we, I'lltell the truth.
But, like you said, man, justbeing able to know is a.
I'm paraphrasing this scripture, but it says like don't debate
(43:52):
with a fool, because people fromafar won't know who the fool is
.
And so it's like we have to, wecan't get into foolish debate,
but at the same time you don'twant to let this lie go on
anymore, you know, and, like yousaid, if we don't have the
intellect or the eloquency ofspeech to combat that, you know,
(44:13):
that's a kind of puts us righton level with them.
And so it's like man, I totallyagree, brother.
And so it's like man.
I totally agree, brother.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
It's like that's why, when we were talking earlier,
you know, it's like having someyoung people in the camp that we
haven't really defined what'sthe lay down.
Throw yourself on a mine,whatever issue that needs to be.
That's the battle.
That is the battle that we'regoing to fight and not get
(44:56):
thrown off.
You know the one thing, becauseI think you're right there are
people that just say thesestupid things and it's like a
distraction and you have to beable to just say hey, you know
what?
I'm sorry?
That's a lie on a whole bunchof different levels, but I don't
have time for that right now.
Here you do it.
After we get done, please comefind me and I'll explain to you
why.
No, I'm sorry, Really, that isjust.
(45:18):
There's so many things wrongwith that argument and I
apologize that you've beenbrought into believing that
that's true, but it's not.
So let's talk about that later.
I will make time for you.
After this thing is done, wewill talk as long as you need to
talk, but we're not talkingabout that right now.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Exactly, ben.
That's why I was saying, likeyou know how the other party,
they got their marching ordersand from my eyes it's white
supremacy.
And if Democrats can just say,you know what we're going to,
the rule of law, let's just stayright there.
Rule of law, stay right there,because I mean, like these
(45:57):
pardons that just came out, man.
You know, larry Hoover was injail since before I was born.
You know, well-known Chicagogangster.
He got his sentence commutedbut of course now it's still a
state issue.
But they're going to find a wayto finagle him out.
They let a couple of rappersout and again it's all
manipulation and it's just.
You know, people are stillfalling for the same thing.
You know, is he the guy thatwas?
Speaker 1 (46:15):
a Chicago gang.
He started a Chicago gang.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Oh yeah, larry Hoover .
Back in the 60s man, that'swhen I was a kid His name was
still in the streets because hewas still running things.
He got even behind, even inprison man in 1997.
He was convicted of running amass network, even from behind
(46:40):
bars, but Trump commuted hissentence, you know again.
So is he just?
Speaker 1 (46:48):
more useful on this side than he is in there.
I mean in terms of stirring up,just getting more black people
in trouble and getting them putin jail.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
He's going to catch a few I hate to use this word.
He's going to catch a fewpeople, a few unlearned people.
He's going to catch them, yeah,because again, like again with
with the genre or the group ofpeople that he know the rappers,
the gang leader and anotherperson they all fit into this
(47:18):
cultural group, right, or thisparticular group of people.
And so, like he's gonna, he'sagain 2026, going after this.
You're gonna catch a smallgroup of people and then, of
course, they're gonna be,they're gonna.
You know FAFO, just like theseblack MAGA people learn hey, we
won, we won.
And then the white guy says allwe wanted was your vote, yeah.
(47:39):
And then the black guy gets onsocial media and starts I was
rejected by Megan after I votedfor him.
It's like, what did you expect?
But yeah, man, with everythingthat's going on, man, it's just,
you know we have to stayprayerful, but we also have to
keep speaking.
You know, like this platform,man, we're doing just that and I
know that eventually we willgrab the steam that is needed
(48:02):
and uh, do you think it is ruleof law?
Speaker 1 (48:04):
is that the thing we should just focus on?
Rule of law, maintain right now.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Right now, yeah, because if we actually focus on
the rule of law, a lot of thesethings will actually all these
um executive orders that arejust, again, distractions they
can actually be cast down rightaway and we can keep moving
Because, again, technically, aconvicted felon cannot serve as
president right, and so a lot ofthe things that he's doing is
(48:31):
illegal.
If we can just focus on therule of law and when we focus on
the rule of law, even thoughthe law isn't perfect, it is
what's in place right now untilwe can get the right people in,
even though the law isn'tperfect, it is what's in place
right now until we can get theright people in there to do the
right things with it.
And of course, there's a lot ofholes that need to be patched
up within the law.
But of course, again with theseexecutive orders, like one ACLU
(48:54):
lawyer said, unfortunately wecan't sue or combat everything,
because we have a real weakchance of winning and if we give
them the win, we set aprecedence in that particular
thing, meaning that if thiscomes up again, there's
precedent that it was ruled inanother person's another favor.
(49:15):
You know what I mean?
Right, and so that's what it'slike it's a lot of things that
are going.
So, for me, just let's focus onthe law right now, the law, the
rule of law, because I mean Ithink that'll clean up a lot of
things that are going on.
So, for me, just let's focus onthe law right now, the law, the
rule of law, because I mean, Ithink that'll clean up a lot of
things.
I mean because, again, trumptaking a you know a jet from
Qatar they are.
Remember I don't know what, hisnet when he started running for
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president in 2000,.
What was it?
16, 16, yeah, 15.
He had a net worth of less than2 billion.
Uh, the last I heard he is uhapproaching that, uh, the 30, 40
billion mark now.
He had less than 2 billiondollar net worth, but now again
he's a prophet of the presidencyman and again, a lot of the
(50:01):
things that he's doing.
They're so blatant, but yet noone will stand up to him,
particularly on that other side,because right now they have the
votes in the House and in theSenate to stop him, but they
won't.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
So that whole thing.
I love this because talk aboutrule of law the whole qatar um
gift deal, okay, and let'sremember, the gift is to the
united states of america until2026, at which point it will be
a gift to the trump nationalwhatever memorial library, which
then means he can use it forwhatever he wants, okay.
(50:36):
So, anyways, there's a thingcalled the emoluments Clause,
which is Article 1, section 9,paragraph 8 of that US
Constitution thing.
I've heard about it a couple oftimes lately.
That generally prohibitsfederal office holders from
receiving any gift, payment orother thing of value from a
(50:58):
foreign state or its rulers,officers or representatives.
It's also called the ForeignEmoluments Clause.
It affects the executive branch.
So the guys that you know wrotethis constitution, as much as
they were stupid about whatthree-fifths of a person meant,
which you know hello, you canlook up that if you don't know
(51:21):
what we're talking about.
But that when I thought, heardI as a white guy I didn't know
that that was even in ourconstitution, and I'm like holy
crap, what the hell were theythinking?
And now I know what they werethinking too.
Anyways, the emoluments clauseis there because of exactly what
this is doing.
Have you seen the pictures ofthis jet, have you seen?
It is called a palace on wingsokay, a palace in the air, and
(51:44):
it is.
It's got so many doodads andfancy marble whatever's and he's
so happy because they giftedthis.
I'm damn right, I'm gonna keepit damn right.
We should say thank you, ohokay.
Yeah, a country that has hadthe kinds of affluence as well
as the interactions that Qatarhas, we're going to keep a gift
(52:06):
from that like that.
And they're saying people thatif there was anything close to
that under a Democraticpresident, anything close to
that would have been received.
It would have just been like soirate.
But again, this is rule of law,not the craziness of the thing.
The atrocity is so far outside,beyond the pale, that it's like
(52:27):
what you know.
We are exhausted from just the.
What crazy ass shit did he dotoday?
You know wow, isn't that wow?
But wait a minute, what aboutthe rule of law?
Where are we at with the ruleof law?
Where are we at?
Because right now, they're beingextremely effective at wearing
down the judicial branch.
There's so much being done andso many cases that are flooding
(52:52):
the judicial system with theatrocities and the stupidity and
the just audaciousness of someof the absurdity and sanity of
some of the stuff that'shappening.
It's just wearing out thatsystem.
And then, as those people areworn out, what do you do?
You keep battering them, right.
So now you're getting all ofthese attacks on the liberal
judges.
(53:12):
Don't forget about the factthat half of them are appointed
More than half of them, I think,if you look at the numbers were
appointed by people like Reaganor Bush, or goodness gracious.
They're not exactly peoplecoming from a staunch liberal
background, but he's attackingthem on those grounds.
He's attacking them as beingthey are going to keep it from
(53:34):
making America safe again.
They're going to make it so Ican't do what I promised to do
for you people.
They're making the judges theenemies and if they're
successful at doing that withenough people, then there will
be no rule of law, because it isa judge's responsibility.
That's what a judge does isthey enforce and interpret and
(53:58):
continue to preserve the rule oflaw.
You don't go into a court oflaw and pull the shit that you
can pull on the streets, becauseyou know that in a court, there
are things like contempt.
In a court, you can beprosecuted for lying about
things In a court, you have tobe able to prove that what you
say is what happened.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Right, there is no fiddle-ly-fahoddley-foodly-fah
going on where you can just saywell, that's a mean thing that
he said whatever, wait, becauseyou know, like, in just even
just if the law was just simplybeing upheld to its highest best
regard right now, a lot of thelawsuits, a lot of the things
(54:40):
that are going on, like you said, on like you said, but you know
, people will be getting beingheld in contempt, you know, of
course, and then it's like, uh,when these people go before, uh,
these, uh, in thesecongressional hearings and
things like that, it's amazinghow it's like they'll say the
very thing in front of a camera,but they will not say it under
oath, and those kind of thingshave to be called out, and it's
like, hey, you just got outthere in front of a camera and
(55:03):
said this but why can't you sayit now?
And just something simple asthat, just, uh, pointing those
things out.
But again, you know, like,you're saying, like the, you
know they uh demonize the judgesfor calling out these things
and, of course, uh, forexecuting, for you know,
basically, for following the law.
And again, you, you blabber allthis stuff out in the media,
(55:25):
but in a courtroom you won't saythat, and then again, these
things are just being you know.
Then, of course, it keeps thatbase up broad.
They're really fighting for us,they're really doing this and
that, and the other is like no,they're not.
You know, it's just this is alot of it's a lot of stage play.
This is a lot of stage play.
It's theatrics.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
Well, what happens when they start shooting federal
judges.
Somebody gets all whipped upinto a lather and goes and
shoots a couple federal judgesbecause they're obviously
getting in the way of my man,trump, and they need to go.
They're wicked, wicked judgesand we need to get rid of these
wicked liberal, libertard judgesor whatever, and that we need
to get rid of these wickedliberal, libertard judges or
(56:03):
whatever.
You know not only that frothingup, but the other thing that
they've done that's insidiously.
I mean, these are smart people,but appointing somebody like
Pam Bondi as the attorneygeneral.
You know, or you know somebodythat is going to take our
marching orders from thepresident, which is not what an
attorney general is supposed todo.
(56:23):
They're supposed to take theirmarching orders from the
Department of Justice, ie thejudicial branch of the
government.
So even if a judicial branchdetermines that somebody has
committed a criminal offense,that they are held in contempt,
that they need to go to jail,like Steve Bannon did, right,
who are they going to get toenforce that right now?
Do you think Pam Bondi is goingto carry out an order from the
(56:46):
Supreme Court or a federal judge?
You think she's going to dothat?
That's going to be a realinteresting constitutional
crisis when that moment comes,because it's coming.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
Absolutely.
And, like you said, it's not anif but it's a when, and that's
what.
Are we going to be ready forthat?
And it's like how many peopleare going to stand up for the
law?
And again, just picking a side.
You know, when we talk abouteach side got its own marching
orders.
Instead of you know, we got tofind one thing to get behind and
fight for it.
(57:17):
And, just like they got onething, even if a lot of them
don't disagree, agree with it,they're fighting for that one
thing.
And so that's where we are,brother, and but you know, just
hope people just again come outof their news bubbles and see
how Everything that's been goingon is affecting us all as a
(57:51):
country and is our health, ourhealth, our finances, our
relationships, you know,communities everything is being
affected by these divisions, man, and we're in a.
I just thank God that I'm aChristian, you know.
I thank God that he has given mea different lens to look
through and, like we were saying, it's like, you know, of course
, being able to talk to thesethings without emotion uh, I'm
getting better at it, but at thesame time, it's like we have to
fight these things in the rightheart's posture and that's
(58:12):
where you know we gotta get toeven more so because, again, you
know when the enemy can bringour heart out of the right
posture we've actually falleneven a step below the person
that's doing the nonsense,because we've stepped beneath
them.
And so just, uh, you know, justgetting, you know, starting with
the church, just getting people, you know back to Jesus saying,
(58:33):
hey, you know our Jesus doesn'tclimb walls and bust out
windows.
I know the Bible clearly tellsus you can't say you love God
and hate people.
You know unbalanced skills arean abomination to the Lord.
The Lord, he hates six thingshe hates, and the seventh is an
abomination to him.
It's like people theycherry-pick scripture to fit
(58:53):
what they want it to fit.
But it's like you're going toeither follow the whole Bible or
none of it.
Speaker 1 (59:01):
And there's got to be room at the table for guys with
Bears hats and Star Trek hats,and that's as Walter Cronkite
used to say, and that's the wayit is on May 31st 2025 in these
United States of America.
So thanks, folks, thanks,united States of America.
(59:21):
So, folks, thanks.
I'm Raul LaBrush and this guyhere, the fun man that I talk
with on this show, you areAntoine Hallman.
Antoine Hallman Sr.
Aren't you, antoine?
Speaker 2 (59:34):
Yeah, I'm Sr.
However, I've just been goingback to saying Antoine Hallman.
Speaker 1 (59:39):
You're just plain old Antoine Hallman Either or Okay,
either.
Or.
You're just plain old AntoineHolman Either or Okay, either or
so could we build a show ofthat.
It's all Russian.
Plain old Antoine Holman.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
Well, my speech is very plain and that's why people
it's like they expect somethingsuper deep and it's like nope.
Let's see how simple this is.
And you know, the Bible saysthe power of the Holy Ghost can
only operate in peace, and sowhen we are, you know, minds
(01:00:09):
free of clutter, his power canoperate.
Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Amen, all right folks , thanks for listening.
So much tuning in here on Frameof Reference coming together
and I hope you'll tune in againnext time and you'll co-find
5,000 or five or six or 10,000of your friends and have them
listen to you, because we'd surelike to have you hear the show
and comment at www.4FORSalkcom.
All right, take care everybody.
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Bye y'all, thank you.
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