February 27, 2025 • 51 mins
Picture this: You're all set to record the perfect podcast episode, but just as the conversation gets going, you realize the camera isn't on. We kick things off with a light-hearted tale of our own technical challenges before diving into the serious issue of climate change, inspired by Wisconsin's unusually warm weather. This episode isn't just about environmental impacts; it's about understanding the human reluctance to face uncomfortable truths and the societal implications when we excuse inappropriate leadership behavior.
Have you ever wondered how political rhetoric shapes our values? We take you on a journey through the complexities of political discourse, with a spotlight on the controversial statements of the current president and the public's response. By examining relationships between divisive figures and their followers, we reveal how race, gender, and power dynamics intersect in today's political landscape. Our discussion is an invitation to critically assess these dynamics and understand the motivations behind aligning with such figures, even if it means challenging your own beliefs.
Lastly, join us as we explore the art of admitting faults, drawing from personal stories of marriage and humility. It's a conversation about the power of understanding different perspectives, whether in relationships or across generations. We discuss systemic political and economic issues like birthright citizenship and tariffs, emphasizing the importance of empathy and community engagement. This episode is a call to action, encouraging you to foster equality and justice in your own life, and reminding us all of the courage it takes to stand against oppression.
Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Start again.
Ready, go, let's have it.
Hey, let's have it.
Let's have what we tried torecord.
This and yours truly here, whoworks in IT.
Yes, didn't remember to turnall the switches on.
You know, we wanted to recordLast week when we did our first.
(00:21):
You know, welcome back afterhiatus.
I never got the camera turnedon.
I mean, I could see Antoine, soat least I knew who I was
talking to, but I never turnedthe recording on.
So you know what kind of youknow inexperienced,
unprofessional boob you'reworking with here right now.
But anyways, how's it going, myman?
How are you today?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Everything is great, man.
Just you know, just enjoyedthose few good days of I guess
you call it warm weather forJanuary.
The sun was shining, movedaround a little bit, but other
than that, man, everything isgood.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, yeah, I always think of this time of year it's
the January thaw, but usuallythere's about 16 inches of snow
on the ground that has to thawas well, and this year, you know
, we've had virtually none inhere in wisconsin, especially
where I am.
And uh, I'll tell you, I wasreading, uh, we got a calendar
this this winter for, or thisyear from, uh, gosh, I think
(01:20):
it's the autobahn or no theinternational crane foundation
and Foundation and they've gotall these like creatures and
stuff and they talk about howthis kind of weather is actually
really hard on a lot of thecritters because they depend on,
like, being able to burrow intosnow and using that for
insulation in the winter.
So there might be some varmintsthat are, you know, appearing
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in places you wouldn't expectthem, just because they're
trying to keep warm.
Baby, you know we're out herein the cold.
Dude, you want to sit there andcomplain to me when you're
sitting in your Lenox furnace,heated.
You know, house, don't give methat garbage.
Come live out here.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
And global warming doesn't exist.
No, no, it doesn't.
Climate change, climate change.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
You know what's that all about.
We're gonna have to talk aboutclimate change at some point
because I I actually have anephew that is up in alaska
right now.
Uh, recording this is a fun jobwhere he records like
temperature, does probes inlakes and whatnot to see what's
happening to them.
And you know we get caughtcaught up on stuff like oh, we
don't know that, that hasn'tbeen going on forever.
You know we only recordtemperatures back 100, you know
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200 years.
So how do we know it's likewell, yeah, actually we do know
there were.
You know we only recordtemperatures back 100,.
You know 200 years.
So how do we know it's likewell, yeah, actually we do know
there were.
You know there were many iceages.
In fact, dickens, you know,lived during one when he wrote
Christmas Carol.
So, yeah, I get that.
But the thing is it's weird tome.
It's like the we don't want toaccept responsibility, or that
we could potentially beresponsible in some way.
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We would just assume, you know,like not being responsible is
some reason to feel better aboutit or to deny that it exists.
It's like, you know, well, I'venever had a car accident, so
how do I know they exist?
And then all of a sudden, youhave one right in front of you,
go, oh, I guess they do happen,but I didn't cause it.
You know, it's like I don't getthe thinking process and all
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this, but we started talkingright before we started this
recording adventure and we weretalking about the whole idea of
our current president and he, hecontinues to regularly come out
and say these outlandish things.
(03:24):
You know, and and I I think Iwas relating to how, you know,
even on the campaign trail, he,he said things like you know, oh
, I love my christians.
You know, go ahead and votethis time, christians, and you
won't have to vote again.
And you know, that's verbatim,just about.
I mean, go back and listen andlisten, it's, it's still.
I think it's still out there.
It hasn't been rescinded, likethe constitution has been from
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whitehousegov Check that out too.
But there is a.
There's like a, a tolerancelevel that's been building up.
You know, it's like the peoplethat build a tolerance level to
arsenic and they can ingest moreand more of it ultimately,
until you know it would be adose that would kill somebody
else.
You know boiling frogs, right,the experiments where they keep
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turning the Bunsen burner up alittle bit.
The frog never gets out untilit boils to death, you know.
So we're doing the same thing.
I mean this guy let's just thinkabout this for a second.
The guy did fellatio with amicrophone in front of a whole
big group of people and they alllaughed.
They thought that was funny.
He talked about Arnold Palmer'sschlong for something like five
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, 10 minutes from you know, at arally, and everybody laughed.
They thought that was thegreatest thing.
You know, it's just so.
I think about those things.
And yeah, you know, if you'rehanging out with a bunch of guys
or something and you want totalk about Arnie Schlong, you
know, let's locker room talk.
I get it.
I'm not like you know, oh myGod, they talked about a man's
penis, you know.
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So what?
But when you're in front of agroup of people, right, and you
want them to vote for you, whatdoes that tell you about us?
That people like Mike Johnson,who are professed Christians,
just glossed over that?
Oh, you know, that's just theway he is.
So my question today is we knowthis about the person, and now
this week he's come out, we havethis horrific accident where
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what?
67 people or something likethat was killed and instead of
coming out right away and sayingyou know, we're going to
investigate this, we're going tofind out what happened
immediately, we're looking for ascapegoat.
You know it was Biden and hispolicies with DEI that caused it
.
I mean, there's been multiplethings that have been thrown out
there, and so, in all of that,my question is why do we feel it
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necessary to keep talking abouthim and getting upset about the
idiotic, horrible things hesays?
Because, let's face it, he is anattention slut.
That's right.
I said that on our podcast.
He's an attention slut.
I don't expect you to say that.
Repeat that.
Antoine, you're a pastor.
You can't.
But you can say, yeah, myheathen friend Raul that I'm
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ministering to, he said thatword.
I won't say it, right?
But I'm going to say it, becausethat explains it better than
just saying he's an attentionmonger.
No, he's an attention slut.
And what do sluts do?
Right, if any kind of a slut.
The more you give themattention, the more you listen
to their slutty tales, thesluttier they become, because
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it's like oh well, you like thisbaby, I got some more
sluttiness for you.
And so my question is can we,should we, how would we avoid
talking about the slut andinstead talk about, you know,
women of character or men ofcharacter?
Let's talk about what are thethings that we can do in our
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communities, because I don'tknow that nationally, we can do
a lot right now, until midterms,and who knows then what we'll
do.
Honestly, the majority ofpeople have to vote, and I don't
know that there's a majorityyet that can look at that and go
, hmm, yeah, don't want that inoffice anymore.
So you know, what do we do?
Do we keep doing that, or do wejust say you know what I'm done
(07:07):
?
Let's focus on what we can dohere in our community.
Let's focus on what we can doamongst our friends.
Let's build a cocoon ofcompassion and decency and, you
know, integrity and care andlove.
You know like the scripturetalks about take care of the
poor and the needy and thewidows, you know, take care of
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the people that need peoplecaring for them, and ourselves,
instead of just getting upsetabout the Trumpism of the day.
You know, did you hear what hesaid?
Yeah, no, I didn't, and Ireally would rather not.
Thank you very much.
I've got this person that I'mcaring for today, an elderly man
in the neighborhood who haslost his wife.
He has, you know, no one around.
(07:50):
He's so lonely.
I'm going to go spend a couplehours and just talk with him.
He's got great stories.
You know.
Why wouldn't we do that and whatis the danger of doing that,
instead of continuing to get ourunderwear in a bundle because
he said, yet again, anotherpredictably horrible thing.
It's just like he's just backgoing.
(08:11):
What is the most horrible thingI can say?
That will piss off the numberof people and they've got some
board somewhere, right, thatthey're figuring out.
Okay, well, you could say, uh,we're going to change the gulf
of mexico to gulf of america,they'll get a big contingency,
all upset about that, andthey'll just, they'll go be
upset about that and we won'thave to worry about them.
I swear to god, he must bedoing something like that
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because it's just sopathologically logical that he
is doing the things he is doing.
All right?
Well, there I am.
I've said about my piece, I I'mgoing to shut up now and let
you talk.
Gosh, sorry, antoine.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
You're fine man and, of course, what the Bible says
man from the abundance of theheart, the mouth speaks right,
and so this person, he is doingnothing but speaking what is
truly on his heart.
And the question was do wecontinue to listen?
Can we cut him off?
Can what do we do?
We continue to give themattention is almost like we have
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to.
Unfortunately, we have tobecause we have to know what
he's trying to do, when he'strying to doing it, because,
again, in the first, his firstadministration, he didn't have
the, he didn't have theunderstanding of the power that
he had at the time, but now hedoes and he has actually
equipped himself.
He's actually put himself in aposition to execute all the
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things that he and StephenMiller are saying and trying to
bring it into about.
This week we had a test run oncutting off benefits.
Right, the very people thatvoted for him, you know, uh, uh,
uh, uh.
A senior white woman, uh, shewas uh, complaining about he's
going to cut off my food stamps.
Well, you voted for him, andbut the thing is, uh, you know,
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and the sad part to say is uh,you know, we've been conditioned
to tolerate this nonsense, youknow, of course, even over the
last time, even the first uhaccess Hollywood tape came out
grab him by whatever right.
You know, from that day forwardwe've been being conditioned to
tolerate lewdness,lasciviousness and just all this
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nonsense.
We've been tolerated to do it.
And of course now, and eventalking with some Trumpers, you
know, it's like oh, he don'tmean what he say.
Yeah, he does, he means it.
And even if he don't know, thesad part is he don't even know
what he means.
He got people in his eartelling him hey, the
conservative society, thefederalist society, this is what
the country should look like.
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Some Christian organizations Idon't want to.
I'm getting to the point whereI don't want even want to call
them Christians anymore, becausethey've yielded themselves to
the power of the enemy, becausethey've put an idol on top of
themselves.
They put just like with theIsraelites, you know.
They say, hey, lord, we'regoing to trust you, we're going
to follow you.
And before Moses even came downwith the law, they were
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breaking the first two.
There'll be no other godsbefore me and don't make any
idols, you know.
And so and so they've createdthis gentleman as an idol
because he does represent whattheir perceived Ideology of what
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the country should look like.
It should be ran by white menpoint blank in the story story.
Anything else is intolerable.
And I hope white women grabthis uh and and really take hold
of this, because in this whiteman's world you're supposed to
be in the kitchen, you're notsupposed to be educated and
outspoken and all thesedifferent kind of things.
You're not supposed to be a ceo, you're not.
So they want to roll back allthese different things because
again, with the rolling back ofthe civil rights act, with the
voting rights act, all thesethings, there's clauses in there
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for white women and women as awhole and you have to really
read the whole document to gethow this thing affects you.
And then, of course, going backto the original question should
we listen to this?
Well, mayangelo said when aperson tells you who they are,
believe, believe them.
And the thing is, we have totake heed, because I'm not a Fox
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News person, but I have to tunein to see what's being said.
I have to see because that way,you know, it's an old analogy,
say how the atheist is alwaysready to debate the Christian,
but the Christian is not alwaysready to debate the atheist.
So by me tuning in over there,I at least have an idea of
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what's being said, a thought,some talking points, and I can
actually bring some scripture toit.
But with this gentleman here,everything he's trying to do in
church folks or christian, thesechristian organizations, again
I'm I'm trying not to talk downon the church because, uh, you
know john bevere, he says, uh,the church is under attack and
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is under attack by the church,and so.
But the thing is in, in this iswhere you know these folks,
they're believing him because hefits there.
He he's that, he is the puppetof their ideology.
You know, these billionaireshave bought him, they're buying,
they bought him and they can,they get this.
He, like you said, you calledhim, that s word right and he is
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, he, he, he, he is, uh, he isthe puppet.
A hand is up there because hedon't, he don't know how to talk
to these things, he don'tunderstand these things.
Well, you know, he is, he's afantastic, he's out to the, he's
out to the highest bidder.
And you know, of course, whathe wants he wants comfortable,
he wants to be rich, he wants tobe famous.
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That's that's what his whole,that's what we want his legacy
to be.
But you know, and what peoplehave to realize, is we have to
deprogram ourselves to some ofthis speech.
We have to say this is nolonger tolerable.
These things, no, this is nolonger tolerable.
These words that are being said, the actions that are being
done, the things that areattempted to be committed,
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they're no longer tolerable.
When will?
No, because, like, almost athird of the country voted for
him and now they're seeing thatthey're going to come to the
realization they actually got atest run this week, but they're
going to come to the realizationthat they're no different than
me.
They're no different and that'sthe end.
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They get the test run.
Like I say this older, she's asomewhat senior white woman Like
, oh, they're going to cut offmy benefits.
Well, you voted for this.
Well, you can't believe what he, he, he don't mean what he say.
Yes, he does.
Well, number of understand it.
And this is the thing we haveto understand that it's not him
who's talking, it's the peoplebehind him that's talking.
He's the mouthpiece, because,again, he's just the mouthpiece
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behind this movement.
And what is this movement?
It has been here since thebeginning of time White
supremacy.
It's about money.
This whole thing is about money.
And it's about power, aboutpower and control.
Money, power and control.
With the money comes the power,with the power comes the
control.
And then you do what I say, asyou do you're a second class
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citizen, you're three fifths apart of a person.
You're, you're this, you'rethat, this is who you are, this
is what you need to be and thisis what we want you.
And we're going to circumvent,we're going to bend the rules,
we're going brown America.
You know voting rights, youknow civil rights, you know.
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And then, of course, they'recutting off every avenue of
funding to the black, black andbrown community, the black and
brown business person, the blackand brown nonprofit.
Every avenue of revenue isbeing cut off as we speak.
And why?
Because this is where I this ismy thoughts, I think towards
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you and where you need to be.
And then, of course and this iswhere allies really have to
stand up, because, dr King, I'mgoing to paraphrase one of his
many famous quotes.
He said what's going to beremembered is not the voice of
the enemy, but the silence of myfriends.
Now, of course, there's friendsof our friends that have they
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are Republican.
That's just the way it is, hey,because again, you have your
ideology, you believe what youbelieve.
That's fine.
And of course, again, I'm afirm believer that something
should be controlled bygovernment.
And then there are some thingsthat you know, we have a
birthright to speaking ofbirthright, no, that threat of
that being taken away is being.
It's been thrown out there andit's just.
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We have to take him at his word,and but not only take him at
his word, but we have to reallybombard the gates of our, our
state legislators, our senators,our congressmen and women and
saying this is not what I votedfor.
You know, and again, like wesaid last week, you know, a lot
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of people are going to realizethat instead of saying, hey, I
was wrong about this, I waswrong, they'll let pride swallow
them whole, they're going tolet the price of insulin go back
up to wherever it was andthey're going to suffer in
silence and die, versus saying Iwas wrong.
So we as a people just have tosimply say we got to speak up,
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we got to talk.
And, of course, as we know thatall of these kids, let's go
back to pre-january 6th.
Remember, uh, via george floyd,the black lives matter movement
came about and then there wasall these laws against even
against peaceful protests, allthese laws, but january 6th it
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didn't apply.
You know, uh, proud, proud boyswalking down the streets with
guns in Michigan and all theseother places Shouldn't apply.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Right, I mean, that happened, what we're seeing
where we had.
You know, kyle, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
That they actually idolize that young man, and it's
just so many things that are soblatant and so contradictory to
what the US Constitution sayswe have and what we are supposed
to be as a country.
But again it just goes to showyou that there's a fragment or a
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fraction of people in thiscountry that they hate.
They just flat out hate.
There's no other word HateWhite supremacy.
It exists, it's real, it'sliving, it has taken on many
forms and fashions over thedecades, but it's still here,
yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
You know you said something a while back about
admitting you're wrong and itmade me think about I've talked
about it many times.
You know I've been married, forwe're coming up on 39 years in
August and one of the hardestthings in that 39 years has been
when we're in the heat of anargument and you know I'm sure
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that I'm right and she's usuallyis right, that you know it
becomes a matter of I can'tpossibly admit I was wrong now
because you know what happensthe next?
time we get into you know I'mgoing to she's going to be able
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to say you said you were wrongbefore.
Why aren't you wrong now?
You know I mean my imagination.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
And that's the legal, and that's why it's funny.
You just said that the verything, because, of course, the
cut the.
You know, our country is basedon laws and so the law has a
precedent and so if thisprecedent reigns and rules, this
law or precedent may be in yourfavor.
However, if you say you knowwhat I was wrong about, how my,
my stance or my position was onthat thing, rather than say we
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were wrong like you, like,you're just using that analogy.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
You know, brother, when it comes to our wives,
we're wrong almost all the time,and just I have to say too,
those times when I have, youknow, bit the bullet and said,
um, and it took quite a while, Imean, I probably is something
I've only been able to do, maybein the past five years or so is
to, you know, come back eitherin the midst of it and just kind
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of start breathing and thinking, okay, okay, you've gone far
enough here, or, you know, getcalmed down and then come back.
But when I have been able tocome back, when I have chosen
that's the important when I havechosen to come back and say,
you know what, sweetheart, I waswrong.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
How freeing is that?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
What you were saying and you were really right.
And maybe it's just because thekind of woman my wife is, she
doesn't lord that over me andyou know, and become like high
and mighty about.
Well, I knew I was right allalong.
You know there's none of that,but what it has done is
strengthen our relationship.
It's made me slowly because I'ma man slowly realize that
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fessing up and admitting thatI'm wrong really isn't that
painful.
It is humbling.
How freeing is it?
Well, very much so, because allof a sudden you're free to
exist.
The fact that I'm not alwaysright, I can't always be right.
I need to know more.
And that's probably where ourmedia, all kinds of things, get
it wrong is we need to know moreInstead of just immediately
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saying what is it?
Mark Twain's famous saying right, you know, believe nothing of
what you hear and only half ofwhat you see.
You know.
And that becomes more and moreof an issue with the media,
because they can tell you.
You can show who, what, where,how and when.
You can show those things.
They're objectively.
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This is what happened, this iswhere it happened, this is how.
These are the things that ledup to it happening, blah, blah,
blah.
But the minute you startgetting into why it happened,
you better really do someresearch, because you need to
understand both the parties thatwere involved and what they
were thinking, what was going on, why they did what they did.
And then you need to understandyour own.
Why are you seeing it the waythat you see it?
(22:08):
Because we have biases.
You know, we'll look at twopeople fighting and think that
you know, well, he's obviouslyright, she's wrong, you know no.
And a woman will look and gowhat?
She's obviously right and he'swrong.
Well, what's our bias in?
That?
That's getting in the way of usreally seeing what's going on
and it it's so telling to methat we are as a country, you
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know, saying that it's okay todo fellatio with a microphone,
it's okay to talk about ArnoldPalmer's schlong, it's okay.
Those things which would have,you know, 20 years ago, it would
have ended his career.
You know, it would have endedhis career to make fun of a
disabled reporter by doing that.
You know, and getting it ontape that he did that, because
he can't come back and say Ididn't do this, he did it.
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That would have ended hispolitical career, but we're okay
with it because that's just theway he is.
Well, I will.
I will die for your right tohave freedom of speech and to
say what you say.
But I also have a responsibilityto myself and to the people
that I you know, know that, knowme and what I want to be known
(23:16):
for to say, yeah, I don't wantto use the F-bomb anymore.
You know, I appreciate that youuse the F-bomb and I'm not
going to say that's, you know,potty mouth, I won't be around
potty mouth.
You know that's baloney too,but you can make the choice that
.
You know, I really don't wantto be around that.
So I mean my son has to learnthat with his mom, right, I mean
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, he's F-bombing things becausethat's, you know, he's a
20-something and they F-bomb youknow that F and this, that he
didn't want a stupid F-head, youknow.
And so you sit back and think,yeah, you know, I'm okay with it
.
I'm okay with it, I'm a theaterperson, what the heck?
You know, I've seen worse thanthat.
But his mom does not.
It makes her very uncomfortable.
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She doesn't like it.
So he's learned in front of mom.
I'm not going to use that word,that's respectful.
And that's where I think wereally have missed the boat with
our president.
He is not respecting any norms.
He isn't.
You know, the laws don't applyto him because he's the
president and now he can doanything in his office that
would normally be illegal and aslong as it's within the office
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of his, the scope of his powers,he can do it and not be
prosecuted for it.
I mean, he's laid in somereally integral pieces to being
lawless and you know he's gonnatake Greenland whether he wants,
you know's gonna take greenlandwhether.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Whether he wants, you know people want to let him or
not and this, and the supremecourt has, uh, given him this
pass to do so, as long as hesays this is within the scope of
his power.
So he can claim any andeverything is within the scope
of his powers, so he's do allthese, uh, executive orders are
within the scope of his powers.
But again, uh, we have to givegod praise that there are some
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people out here fighting.
But I want to go back to thepoint you were making.
You made a great point.
You know, yes, what he, the wayhe expresses himself and how he
does things is unacceptable.
But again, we've beenprogrammed to do so, but not to
know, like now, when we talkabout people expressing
themselves and being able toexpress themselves freely, we
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have to really take a step backand say, okay, this is their
upbringing, this is where theycame from, this is where they
are now.
Now, understand, you know, it'slike everyone can only
communicate on the level thatthey know.
Right, and so, and the thingwith that is is, simply, we can
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disagree with a person'smethodology on a message, but
sometimes you just can'tdisagree with the message.
You can say I didn't like howyou said it, but I 100 percent
agree with what you said and butwith this gentleman it's like I
don't agree with what you'resaying, I don't agree with how
you say it, I don't agree witheven the thought process.
And that's where you know, andthat's where that fine line you
(25:58):
know.
It's like you know, like saying, like you know, talking about
we are, like talking about howwe can have to come to the space
of letting pride go andadmitting when we're wrong.
And that applies on both sidesadmitting that we're wrong about
our stance on a matter, butalso our perception or our bias
in a matter.
(26:18):
Right, like what you're saying.
It's like you know a person cansay a thing a certain way
doesn't make it wrong, it's just.
I may disagree with themethodology in which you
communicate your message, butthe message is on point.
And when we can actually walkthat fine line and give people
grace along those lines, we'llstart to move the needle in this
(26:41):
kingdom.
Like tomorrow, man, I'mstarting a sermon series called
Love Will Win, man, and ofcourse I'm talking about in a
day, in a space, in a time whereyou know these things.
Of course, everything that we'reseeing now, it has been done
already.
You know, of course, with goingback to 1860, something right.
You know, when slavery wasabolished and all those
(27:04):
different things there.
You know the hatred, that, oh,how dare you give these people
the right and the access to dothis and that and the other?
And, of course, what happened,you know, and it's like, every
time there's some form of blackadvancement or brown advancement
, these people, they rise up andsay, okay, that's enough of
this.
You know, we want you to beback in your place.
(27:24):
And here we are again 2025.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yeah, do some research on restoration.
Right After the great Civil War, right, we started making
progress.
There were actually electedofficials that were black men,
that were in the Senate, in theHouse of Representatives, that
were becoming mayors of theirtowns and whatnot, and that went
just so far.
And then Jim Crow laws startedtaking effect and, you know,
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incarceration started reallypoaching up.
So we had to find a differentway to enslave those same people
that had been slaves.
And you know and it noticed toothat it wasn't just black
people, it was white people too.
You know, some of the mostintegrated communities are
prisons, you know, when it comesdown to it, because it's people
that don't have the ability tofight, they haven't had the
(28:10):
ability to have education, theyhaven't had the opportunities to
work towards having better jobs.
So what do they have?
They have crime as a way to getby.
You know, I get it, but wecan't talk about that because we
can never get that far in thediscussion.
It's just a never-ending vortexof crap.
(28:31):
And so I keep coming back to thequestion just how much
attention do we pay to it?
Because, I totally agree, weneed to be aware of what's going
on.
But you know, I wear Star Trekstuff all the time and one of
the best characters on Star Trekis Spock, because Spock will
sit there and watch peoplelosing their shit I mean just
emotionally, you know, going outof control and Spock will sit
(28:52):
back there and watch it all andjust go fascinating.
So I got to get to that placebecause I know exactly what
you're saying and my thing is Ijust start getting so like bound
up.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
And we all do we all do.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I got to be fascinated by it.
You know I have to figure out away to keep my mind in that
fascinating, interesting and beable to see what's really going
on, because I believe one of thethings Trump does best is
distract people from what'sreally going on.
You know, there is this issueof he says these outlandish
things so that something right,exactly, it's the magician trick
(29:31):
, right.
So?
And we need to have thatmindset that says fascinating,
so that something right, exactly, it's the magician trick, right
so.
And we need to have thatmindset that says fascinating,
so that we can dig in and say,ah, you know, it's interesting.
When he said that outlandishthing, he also passed this and
this and this, or he also, allthe sudden, you know, mark
Zuckerberg took back his youknow, dei kinds of things he had
been doing with his.
He took back the censorshipthat he was doing on Facebook.
(29:53):
Isn't that interesting?
And the media's responsibilityis to keep track of that and
keep bringing it out.
But it's also interesting thatone of the things he has
attacked from the get-go is themedia, anyone that comes out
with anything that exposessomething he doesn't want to see
or recognize or admit or haveto say I was wrong.
He's attacking those people asfake news.
(30:15):
And so you get, you know, CBS.
Now, in 60 minutes, cbs is beingsued because they did, you know
, during the election, a showwith, you know, kamala Harris
being able to talk with theinterview.
He had been offered theopportunity to do the same thing
, but he didn't do it because hewas waiting for an apology from
what Leslie Stahl or I forgether, but anyways, one of the
(30:39):
primary people who had insultedhim.
He wanted an apology from herfirst, before he would, you know
, tape a show with them and nowhe's suing them because they
gave them, you know, they gaveher, you know preferential
treatment.
Well, you know, it's likesaying I'm suing you because you
didn't shovel the walk when youcame to shovel the walk and I
didn't let you shovel the walkbecause I didn't like the way
you asked me, you know, but youhad every opportunity to get
(31:04):
your walk shoveled.
Why is it now my fault?
Why are you giving me a hardtime?
Because I didn't shovel it, youtold me not to.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
It's a smoke screen, all it is is a smoke.
You're saying moving hands.
You know, watch this car, watch, I'm gonna show you your.
Because he it's all about, no,pretending to be to his base,
you know, of course it's likehe'll give the illusion that I'm
sticking up, I'm fighting foryou and this and that and the
other, but it's like you knowwhat you're actually scared to
go on there because you knowthat they were going to ask you
some tough questions that youweren't.
(31:32):
One, we're not going to be ableto answer and two, a troop was
going to be exposed.
So it's like I'll give you allof this to say, oh, this is why
I didn't do it, and a lot ofpeople, anyone with uh, you know
uh will just simply say thatthat's, that's, that's nonsense.
You know, because, again,especially in a presidential uh
election, you're going to takeevery opportunity to get your
(31:56):
point of view out there, or evento correct some
misinterpretations, or whateverthe case may be.
You're going to want to takeevery opportunity to get out
what you need to get out.
And you know, and of course hedidn't want to do that and the
thing is, but again, like youwere just saying, like the
smoking watch, you know, we have, like you, made a good point.
(32:18):
It's like when we see a wholebunch of noise being made about
something, we got to look atwhat else is, what's happening
behind the hand, what'shappening behind the back?
You know what's happening.
You know because, like you know, we're talking about DEI, we're
talking about the cutting ofbenefits, we're talking about
all these things, but birthrightcitizenship kind of slid on in
(32:40):
there, citizenship and what itmeans.
Because again, if he says, oh,I want to end birthright
citizenship, a lot of peoplewould right away say, oh, um,
they're going to take it to this.
Uh, oh, uh, lat latinoamericans that were born in this
(33:04):
country, their uh, birthrightswill be, uh, revoked, but not
knowing that if that is passed,that precedent goes how much
further back.
And then a lot of people don'teven realize if you got a German
dad and a Polish mom, yourbirthright can be taken away
(33:26):
from you too.
And again, it's like it's thiswhole thing, man, it just.
I've just in my mind, I've hadto simplify this thing down to
it's the same thing as what it'salways been.
It's a white supremacist typeof setting.
It's about money.
You know, it's about money.
I don't want you to get ahead,I don't want you to have
(33:48):
anything and I want all themoney for myself, because the
money gives me power, power tomake decisions, power to
gerrymand and create laws and doall these things against you.
And then the power gives mecontrol, like right now.
We have a presidency, a Senateand a House under one form of
control, and glory be to Godthat I believe that he is
(34:12):
causing confusion in the camp,that they are fighting against
each other.
That's our saving grace.
How many times have we seenthem do that in the Bible?
But it's just, you know, gloryto God.
But it's like all of thesedifferent things, this is where
we are and we have to see thatthis is where we are.
And, of course, until peoplereally grasp and see that hey,
(34:33):
uh, even different sectors ofthe country, different groups,
every, everyone that you'regoing to be affected by this
thing one way or another, like,yes, I'm not 100, but I was uh
looking and they're saying likethe 25 tariffs are going to
start on canada and mexico, weare are North America and how,
(34:53):
you are two closest people,you're going to attack them and
then give China a 10% tariff andagain, people not understanding
what a tariff is and how itaffects the country.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Right, do some research.
Folks you know, or you know,talk to your friends that are
farmers, talk to your, your,your friends that you know like
to drink a lot of beer, um, thevast majority of the beer that
we drink, except, you know,obviously, micro breweries in
the lake, but you know budweiser, anheuser-busch, you know all
the products that they put outthere.
Um, their primary factories arein mexico, you know.
(35:29):
So look it up, look where youknow things are, are bottled in
the US but made in Mexico orwhatever, because the labor is
less expensive, so they can keepthe price of beer down, so that
they sell more.
Canada, right, canada, not onlydo we buy quite a bit, but we
also sell a lot to them.
So, our farming communities,they took a huge hit the last
(35:49):
time we did any significant hit,or, you know, trying to settle
down the amount of trade,because they were buying a lot
of the whey product that's abyproduct of milk, so that it,
you know, can be made intocheese and other products.
Well, they ended up not buyingnearly as much.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
What did China tell American farmers to do?
Y'all eat that soy before webuy it.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Right, exactly you can talk about things like, yeah
, we want more manufacturingjobs back in the US.
But folks understand, I'm notagainst labor getting paid.
They should absolutely be paidbetter and treated better than
we have treated labor in thepast.
But that treatment of labor hasbeen a result of profiting, you
(36:34):
know profit to shareholders,profit to the companies, and we,
frankly, got too expensive asAmerican labor got too expensive
, so they moved things offshoreso that they could make more
profit and show more money tothe bottom line for their
shareholders.
That's it.
So now, if we are successful inbringing people back, think it
(36:58):
through.
What's going to have to happento the cost of everything that
we're buying, because we'repaying more for the bottom layer
of things, or we're going to,you know, pay more for
reconstructing factories, orwe're going to pay more because
they have to put more roboticsinto it so that it makes more
money for you know, or it makesequal amounts of money, whatever
it just there are trickle-downeffects in all this that we
don't get to talk about, and wedon't talk about because we're
(37:19):
too busy grabbing the mackerelthat's been, you know, dangled
in front of us instead ofthinking well, wait a minute,
what?
What's in that mackerel.
Anyways, it looks kind of green.
I don't know.
I don't know that that camefrom good water.
No, we're just sucking themackerel down, going love that
mackerel.
So it's just funny, come on.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
And that's where, again, we have to have a full
understanding of everything andagain, we were talking about
this last season, but it's justhaving a full understanding of
every branch of government, theexecutive, judicial, legislative
branch understanding what theydo and what they do and what
their purposes are, just likewhat you just made a great point
(38:04):
about labor and its cost.
You know, and of course it tookme some years to really figure
this out.
You know, because I just andand honestly my ignorance and my
obliviousness, like when I wasworking at oscar meyer back in
1994, just a few years out ofhigh school, you know, making
great money and of course we inmadison, wisconsin, we're making
(38:25):
12, 13 bucks an hour, right,but what oscar meyer started to
do?
They started to ship out allthe production lines to
fullerton, california, wherethey were able to pay people
half of what they were paying us.
And it was just and we didn'tget it.
We, not, a lot of us didn't getit.
And, of course, just a youngperson like myself just like,
(38:45):
okay, I'm making all this moneyat this young age, this is great
, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But how it affected otherpeople, like the people that
were being there for 20, 30years.
They had these really nicecushy jobs in the Lunchable
section.
You know where.
You just put the cracker in thehole and you know.
But then it's like, ok, thisperson is in their 60s, but now
(39:06):
I'm going to put you back onthis line and their seniority is
going to bump me out, right,right, and it's like all these
trickle-down things and you hitit on the head.
We have to really understandand know there's always a cause
and effect, yeah, and we have tounderstand the reason behind
(39:27):
the cause and then the long-termeffect of that cause.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
All right, we're going to try to stick to our
agenda here.
Right, we had a time thing.
Closing thoughts, Antoine.
Closing thoughts.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Well, no, it's just a simply put we have to believe,
we have to we it's like we, muchas we don't want to give this
person this attention we have tolisten, we have to have, we
have.
Lord, give us eyes to see andears to hear and the ability to
discern, because you know, and.
But not only give us theability to discern, but give us
a biblical action on what stepsto take to fight these things.
(40:01):
Because, again, you know, evenif we try to take the fight to
them, there's laws have beencreated to stop our fight.
So it's like we have to listento what's being said.
There's no, I'm hanging outwith a younger group because I
want to see their forms oforganization now, because, again
(40:22):
, it's like we're talking aboutorganizing and getting this word
out and getting people tounderstand they are the future
of this country and what needsto go and how it needs to go.
So it's like me and my 50something mind.
It's like okay, I need a freshway of thinking, I need a better
way of seeing this thing.
Yes, I have a premise of what'swrong, but how do we attack it?
(40:43):
How do we move the needle?
But in, of course, in my spaceand where I am, and I'm just so
grateful for the love that hasbeen given to me through my Lord
and Savior, jesus Christ, thatI can't help but love how he
loved me.
And of course, just because Ilove and forgive a person don't
mean I condone their sin, it'sjust simply put.
I can't allow it to change howI feel, I can't allow these
(41:07):
things to change my heart'sposture.
So it just, yes, it takes meinto a deeper space of prayer.
I mean, it's just, I candisagree with you, but I can't
let my disagreement turn intohate, because then all I'm doing
is mimicking the poor behaviorthat has been exhibited towards
me.
(41:27):
So if we we again going back towhat we said last week if we can
get people of God, let's startin the church first.
If we can get these MikeJohnson's and all these people
that are sitting in Congresssaying I'm a Christian, I'm a
Christian Louisiana, tennessee,kentucky If these Christians
start to live by biblicalprinciple and less by personal
(41:49):
preference, watch the needlemove.
So that's my final thought onit.
You know, just, we it, just Ican't allow my heart to be
turned, regardless of what issaid, done or thought.
And but at the same time, wecan't condone the behavior.
We have to speak up and outagainst it in a positive form.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Yeah, the more you've been talking, the more I've
been thinking about both mycomment about Spock and being
able to be less emotionallycharged and more intellectually
engaged.
You know to be fascinated by it, Because, you know, Spock never
says he doesn't have emotions,he just says you know, through
logic, they've learned how to,you know, utilize the emotions
(42:34):
and channel them in moreeffective, constructive ways.
So, and I really want to learnand I hope we all can learn that
it's not about the emotionalangst and anger that it causes
in us.
It needs to be about thecompassion for the people that
wanted him as the president.
(42:54):
You know what was it?
What did he ignite in them?
What did he appear?
Because, you know, Luciferappears as an angel of light.
He appeared to them to besomething that they're longing
for, that we long for.
He appeared to be a savior tomany of them for restoring
(43:18):
America, making America greatagain, right, Restoring
America's greatness, and that'ssomething that, if patriotic
people want, right, that's a,that's a passionate thing.
People die for that Right, andsomehow, though, we lost the
ability to think it through andsay what's the best way to get
(43:40):
there, the best way to becomegreat, and I see it more and
more like well, we need to bethe light on the hill.
We need to be the people thatare loving those elderly people
in our neighborhoods that livenext door, that are in nursing
homes.
(44:01):
You know that if you feelcalled, there isn't a nursing
home.
I don't think in the entireUnited States or even in the
world that wouldn't welcomehaving you come on a weekly or
monthly basis to just talk orplay music.
You know, shame on me.
I play guitar and for years Ithought, you know, I should just
go over once a month orwhatever, and just play some
(44:24):
hymns on the guitar, you know,and lead people in song and just
be someone that shows I care,Because that's where I think we
lost the boat.
You know, those of us that are,you know I put it on educated
folks A lot of us have been sobusy being smart about things we
forgot to be kind, we forgot tobe compassionate, we forgot to
(44:48):
be engaged in life, so that thepeople that didn't get educated
have felt like we were sayingall along you're dumb, you don't
understand this, and that's onus the anger that those folks
were feeling.
We played a part in that by notbeing respectful.
(45:08):
I mean, I work with guys thatnever went beyond high school
and I respect, though, what theydo.
They've worked hard all theirlives.
They've been very successful ina lot of things.
That should command my respect.
I can't be walking around going.
Yeah, I'm one of two peoplehere at this company that have a
master's degree.
(45:29):
Master's degree that's the kindof you know.
I'm obviously in caricaturingit, but that's how it's seen.
So let's get back, strip allthe way that nonsense and let's
be watching, listening to whathe's saying and saying.
(45:49):
Okay, fascinating.
Who is this directed at and howcan I get them?
Because we're not going to winagain unless we figure out a way
to reach that spectrum ofpeople that don't think we care,
that don't think that themessage of compassion and DEI
and equal rights, and you know,equal opportunities that those
(46:11):
really are not just for blackpeople, those are for everybody.
Because, whether or not youbelieve, you know in these
things that are horrible, thathappen, whether you, however,
you want to make it, can't wejust admit that it was horrible,
that it happened?
You know people white folks getall upset that well I never had
a slave.
I never did any of that, and youknow.
(46:33):
You know what I didn't either.
But the reality is, can't wejust feel bad about this
happening, that people did thisto other people?
Why does it have to be about?
Well, I don't like feelingguilty because I'm white, not
guilty, but you're white.
You're guilty because you'rewhite.
You're guilty because you're aperson that sits back and lets
this crap happen.
(46:54):
That's why you're guilty.
That's what you should feel badabout.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Period and let's not mistake guilt for just having a
feeling about it.
Of course, a lot of timesthat's it.
Don't mistake guilt forsomething else.
It's just like if the Lordstirs something up in your
spirit, they don't mean I needto feel guilty about it, just
say, ok, for whatever reason,this thing is on my heart to
make some have a voice about itor a movement about it, and let
(47:22):
that happen.
It ain't necessarily becauseexposing things ain't about
trying to guilt other people.
You know, of course I'll saythat.
I've said this in numerousother platforms.
It's just like you know, it'salmost like the country is tired
of hearing the black man cryand it's like, ok, I've heard
that already, now I get it, Iget it, I get it.
Now it's like no, you don't getit because here it is again.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yeah, there's a wonderful moment in I think it's
in Avengers 1, where they firstare coming together.
In Captain America Beautifulscene, there's an older guy,
loki, has come and he's causingall this chaos and getting
people, this large group ofpeople, to kneel before him and
he's saying you know your newlord, blah, blah, blah, whatever
(48:05):
.
You know his pompous nonsense.
And one of the elderly guys inthe crowd stands up and he says
no, I'm not going to kneelbefore you.
There have always been men likeyou that want others to kneel.
And I'm not going to kneel.
And Loki's like see people, letthis elderly gentleman be an
example to you of what happens.
(48:25):
And just as he's about to shoot, blast this guy into
smithereens.
Captain America jumps in withhis shield, blocks the blast
that's coming off and saves thisguy.
And it's like such a moment,yeah, and it's like you know
what?
There's something veryfigurative about that.
Let's be Captain America, let'sbe Captain America that jumps
(48:46):
in the middle of this stuffthat's going on, where people
are being attacked, people ofcolor are being attacked right
now Shadrach, meshach andAbednego.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
You almost described that scene.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Let's do it.
Let's just do that.
Okay, let's set our mind onthat and not on the you know,
just depravity of the minds thatare guiding the picture right
now, Because if we don't, we'regoing to end up just seeing the
picture they wanted to see allthe time and it's going to be
against the law to show anyother picture, and all of our
(49:20):
freedoms that we thought we werefighting for are just going to
be gone.
And that's just a reality ofhow fascism works.
And you know, I don't know.
I pray, pray, God, open oureyes, you know, let us see
what's going on around us andlet us be compassionate enough
to understand how we got thereand convicted enough to get out
(49:43):
Right, To get out of this.
Wake up.
I want to be awake and be awareand do something to help the
people in the nursing home.
That's so much more rewardingthan what we're doing right now,
oh gosh.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
We just have to believe that love will win.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Indeed, there you go, you're starting a series on it.
I heard that this guy, antoineHolliman Sr, was going to be
doing a series on that?
Did you hear that?
I heard that Love will win.
Well, I'm Raul LaBrescia.
What's your name?
Again, I keep forgetting.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
Antoine Holliman Sr.
Oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
Thank you for reminding me.
I'm 64 years old, I forget somuch.
I'm like where am I all thetime lately?
But together we are a frame ofreference, coming together, and
we hope this conversation atleast I do hope gives you
something to think about,something to talk about.
We hope you'll tell yourfriends to listen and to say
(50:43):
what these guys got to say.
And if you don't agree with us,that's fine.
Don't agree with us, but youknow, figure out why you think
what you think and you know whywe're wrong, and maybe maybe
think about how we might beright, because that's important
to consider with anyone youargue with, including my wife.
(51:04):
So right, dude, see you nextweek, same time, same bat
channel.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
All right, man All right Take care.
Have a great week here.
I'll try to give a call thisweek, man, I guess, depending on
what happened in the news,right?
Yeah, I'm going to snoozethrough the news.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Thank you very much All right man.
Start again.
Ready, go, let's have it.
Hey, let's have it.
Let's have what we tried torecord.
This and yours truly here, whoworks in IT.
Yes, didn't remember to turnall the switches on.
You know, we wanted to recordLast week when we did our first.
(00:21):
You know, welcome back afterhiatus.
I never got the camera turnedon.
I mean, I could see Antoine, soat least I knew who I was
talking to, but I never turnedthe recording on.
So you know what kind of youknow inexperienced,
unprofessional boob you'reworking with here right now.
But anyways, how's it going, myman?
How are you today?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Everything is great, man.
Just you know, just enjoyedthose few good days of I guess
you call it warm weather forJanuary.
The sun was shining, movedaround a little bit, but other
than that, man, everything isgood.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, yeah, I always think of this time of year it's
the January thaw, but usuallythere's about 16 inches of snow
on the ground that has to thawas well, and this year, you know
, we've had virtually none inhere in wisconsin, especially
where I am.
And uh, I'll tell you, I wasreading, uh, we got a calendar
this this winter for, or thisyear from, uh, gosh, I think
(01:20):
it's the autobahn or no theinternational crane foundation
and Foundation and they've gotall these like creatures and
stuff and they talk about howthis kind of weather is actually
really hard on a lot of thecritters because they depend on,
like, being able to burrow intosnow and using that for
insulation in the winter.
So there might be some varmintsthat are, you know, appearing
(01:40):
in places you wouldn't expectthem, just because they're
trying to keep warm.
Baby, you know we're out herein the cold.
Dude, you want to sit there andcomplain to me when you're
sitting in your Lenox furnace,heated.
You know, house, don't give methat garbage.
Come live out here.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
And global warming doesn't exist.
No, no, it doesn't.
Climate change, climate change.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
You know what's that all about.
We're gonna have to talk aboutclimate change at some point
because I I actually have anephew that is up in alaska
right now.
Uh, recording this is a fun jobwhere he records like
temperature, does probes inlakes and whatnot to see what's
happening to them.
And you know we get caughtcaught up on stuff like oh, we
don't know that, that hasn'tbeen going on forever.
You know we only recordtemperatures back 100, you know
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200 years.
So how do we know it's likewell, yeah, actually we do know
there were.
You know we only recordtemperatures back 100,.
You know 200 years.
So how do we know it's likewell, yeah, actually we do know
there were.
You know there were many iceages.
In fact, dickens, you know,lived during one when he wrote
Christmas Carol.
So, yeah, I get that.
But the thing is it's weird tome.
It's like the we don't want toaccept responsibility, or that
we could potentially beresponsible in some way.
(02:42):
We would just assume, you know,like not being responsible is
some reason to feel better aboutit or to deny that it exists.
It's like, you know, well, I'venever had a car accident, so
how do I know they exist?
And then all of a sudden, youhave one right in front of you,
go, oh, I guess they do happen,but I didn't cause it.
You know, it's like I don't getthe thinking process and all
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this, but we started talkingright before we started this
recording adventure and we weretalking about the whole idea of
our current president and he, hecontinues to regularly come out
and say these outlandish things.
(03:24):
You know, and and I I think Iwas relating to how, you know,
even on the campaign trail, he,he said things like you know, oh
, I love my christians.
You know, go ahead and votethis time, christians, and you
won't have to vote again.
And you know, that's verbatim,just about.
I mean, go back and listen andlisten, it's, it's still.
I think it's still out there.
It hasn't been rescinded, likethe constitution has been from
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whitehousegov Check that out too.
But there is a.
There's like a, a tolerancelevel that's been building up.
You know, it's like the peoplethat build a tolerance level to
arsenic and they can ingest moreand more of it ultimately,
until you know it would be adose that would kill somebody
else.
You know boiling frogs, right,the experiments where they keep
(04:10):
turning the Bunsen burner up alittle bit.
The frog never gets out untilit boils to death, you know.
So we're doing the same thing.
I mean this guy let's just thinkabout this for a second.
The guy did fellatio with amicrophone in front of a whole
big group of people and they alllaughed.
They thought that was funny.
He talked about Arnold Palmer'sschlong for something like five
(04:32):
, 10 minutes from you know, at arally, and everybody laughed.
They thought that was thegreatest thing.
You know, it's just so.
I think about those things.
And yeah, you know, if you'rehanging out with a bunch of guys
or something and you want totalk about Arnie Schlong, you
know, let's locker room talk.
I get it.
I'm not like you know, oh myGod, they talked about a man's
penis, you know.
(04:54):
So what?
But when you're in front of agroup of people, right, and you
want them to vote for you, whatdoes that tell you about us?
That people like Mike Johnson,who are professed Christians,
just glossed over that?
Oh, you know, that's just theway he is.
So my question today is we knowthis about the person, and now
this week he's come out, we havethis horrific accident where
(05:19):
what?
67 people or something likethat was killed and instead of
coming out right away and sayingyou know, we're going to
investigate this, we're going tofind out what happened
immediately, we're looking for ascapegoat.
You know it was Biden and hispolicies with DEI that caused it
.
I mean, there's been multiplethings that have been thrown out
there, and so, in all of that,my question is why do we feel it
(05:39):
necessary to keep talking abouthim and getting upset about the
idiotic, horrible things hesays?
Because, let's face it, he is anattention slut.
That's right.
I said that on our podcast.
He's an attention slut.
I don't expect you to say that.
Repeat that.
Antoine, you're a pastor.
You can't.
But you can say, yeah, myheathen friend Raul that I'm
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ministering to, he said thatword.
I won't say it, right?
But I'm going to say it, becausethat explains it better than
just saying he's an attentionmonger.
No, he's an attention slut.
And what do sluts do?
Right, if any kind of a slut.
The more you give themattention, the more you listen
to their slutty tales, thesluttier they become, because
(06:23):
it's like oh well, you like thisbaby, I got some more
sluttiness for you.
And so my question is can we,should we, how would we avoid
talking about the slut andinstead talk about, you know,
women of character or men ofcharacter?
Let's talk about what are thethings that we can do in our
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communities, because I don'tknow that nationally, we can do
a lot right now, until midterms,and who knows then what we'll
do.
Honestly, the majority ofpeople have to vote, and I don't
know that there's a majorityyet that can look at that and go
, hmm, yeah, don't want that inoffice anymore.
So you know, what do we do?
Do we keep doing that, or do wejust say you know what I'm done
(07:07):
?
Let's focus on what we can dohere in our community.
Let's focus on what we can doamongst our friends.
Let's build a cocoon ofcompassion and decency and, you
know, integrity and care andlove.
You know like the scripturetalks about take care of the
poor and the needy and thewidows, you know, take care of
(07:29):
the people that need peoplecaring for them, and ourselves,
instead of just getting upsetabout the Trumpism of the day.
You know, did you hear what hesaid?
Yeah, no, I didn't, and Ireally would rather not.
Thank you very much.
I've got this person that I'mcaring for today, an elderly man
in the neighborhood who haslost his wife.
He has, you know, no one around.
(07:50):
He's so lonely.
I'm going to go spend a couplehours and just talk with him.
He's got great stories.
You know.
Why wouldn't we do that and whatis the danger of doing that,
instead of continuing to get ourunderwear in a bundle because
he said, yet again, anotherpredictably horrible thing.
It's just like he's just backgoing.
(08:11):
What is the most horrible thingI can say?
That will piss off the numberof people and they've got some
board somewhere, right, thatthey're figuring out.
Okay, well, you could say, uh,we're going to change the gulf
of mexico to gulf of america,they'll get a big contingency,
all upset about that, andthey'll just, they'll go be
upset about that and we won'thave to worry about them.
I swear to god, he must bedoing something like that
(08:33):
because it's just sopathologically logical that he
is doing the things he is doing.
All right?
Well, there I am.
I've said about my piece, I I'mgoing to shut up now and let
you talk.
Gosh, sorry, antoine.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
You're fine man and, of course, what the Bible says
man from the abundance of theheart, the mouth speaks right,
and so this person, he is doingnothing but speaking what is
truly on his heart.
And the question was do wecontinue to listen?
Can we cut him off?
Can what do we do?
We continue to give themattention is almost like we have
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to.
Unfortunately, we have tobecause we have to know what
he's trying to do, when he'strying to doing it, because,
again, in the first, his firstadministration, he didn't have
the, he didn't have theunderstanding of the power that
he had at the time, but now hedoes and he has actually
equipped himself.
He's actually put himself in aposition to execute all the
(09:31):
things that he and StephenMiller are saying and trying to
bring it into about.
This week we had a test run oncutting off benefits.
Right, the very people thatvoted for him, you know, uh, uh,
uh, uh.
A senior white woman, uh, shewas uh, complaining about he's
going to cut off my food stamps.
Well, you voted for him, andbut the thing is, uh, you know,
(09:54):
and the sad part to say is uh,you know, we've been conditioned
to tolerate this nonsense, youknow, of course, even over the
last time, even the first uhaccess Hollywood tape came out
grab him by whatever right.
You know, from that day forwardwe've been being conditioned to
tolerate lewdness,lasciviousness and just all this
(10:16):
nonsense.
We've been tolerated to do it.
And of course now, and eventalking with some Trumpers, you
know, it's like oh, he don'tmean what he say.
Yeah, he does, he means it.
And even if he don't know, thesad part is he don't even know
what he means.
He got people in his eartelling him hey, the
conservative society, thefederalist society, this is what
the country should look like.
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Some Christian organizations Idon't want to.
I'm getting to the point whereI don't want even want to call
them Christians anymore, becausethey've yielded themselves to
the power of the enemy, becausethey've put an idol on top of
themselves.
They put just like with theIsraelites, you know.
They say, hey, lord, we'regoing to trust you, we're going
to follow you.
And before Moses even came downwith the law, they were
(11:00):
breaking the first two.
There'll be no other godsbefore me and don't make any
idols, you know.
And so and so they've createdthis gentleman as an idol
because he does represent whattheir perceived Ideology of what
(11:28):
the country should look like.
It should be ran by white menpoint blank in the story story.
Anything else is intolerable.
And I hope white women grabthis uh and and really take hold
of this, because in this whiteman's world you're supposed to
be in the kitchen, you're notsupposed to be educated and
outspoken and all thesedifferent kind of things.
You're not supposed to be a ceo, you're not.
So they want to roll back allthese different things because
again, with the rolling back ofthe civil rights act, with the
voting rights act, all thesethings, there's clauses in there
(11:48):
for white women and women as awhole and you have to really
read the whole document to gethow this thing affects you.
And then, of course, going backto the original question should
we listen to this?
Well, mayangelo said when aperson tells you who they are,
believe, believe them.
And the thing is, we have totake heed, because I'm not a Fox
(12:10):
News person, but I have to tunein to see what's being said.
I have to see because that way,you know, it's an old analogy,
say how the atheist is alwaysready to debate the Christian,
but the Christian is not alwaysready to debate the atheist.
So by me tuning in over there,I at least have an idea of
(12:31):
what's being said, a thought,some talking points, and I can
actually bring some scripture toit.
But with this gentleman here,everything he's trying to do in
church folks or christian, thesechristian organizations, again
I'm I'm trying not to talk downon the church because, uh, you
know john bevere, he says, uh,the church is under attack and
(12:53):
is under attack by the church,and so.
But the thing is in, in this iswhere you know these folks,
they're believing him because hefits there.
He he's that, he is the puppetof their ideology.
You know, these billionaireshave bought him, they're buying,
they bought him and they can,they get this.
He, like you said, you calledhim, that s word right and he is
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, he, he, he, he is, uh, he isthe puppet.
A hand is up there because hedon't, he don't know how to talk
to these things, he don'tunderstand these things.
Well, you know, he is, he's afantastic, he's out to the, he's
out to the highest bidder.
And you know, of course, whathe wants he wants comfortable,
he wants to be rich, he wants tobe famous.
(13:37):
That's that's what his whole,that's what we want his legacy
to be.
But you know, and what peoplehave to realize, is we have to
deprogram ourselves to some ofthis speech.
We have to say this is nolonger tolerable.
These things, no, this is nolonger tolerable.
These words that are being said, the actions that are being
done, the things that areattempted to be committed,
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they're no longer tolerable.
When will?
No, because, like, almost athird of the country voted for
him and now they're seeing thatthey're going to come to the
realization they actually got atest run this week, but they're
going to come to the realizationthat they're no different than
me.
They're no different and that'sthe end.
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They get the test run.
Like I say this older, she's asomewhat senior white woman Like
, oh, they're going to cut offmy benefits.
Well, you voted for this.
Well, you can't believe what he, he, he don't mean what he say.
Yes, he does.
Well, number of understand it.
And this is the thing we haveto understand that it's not him
who's talking, it's the peoplebehind him that's talking.
He's the mouthpiece, because,again, he's just the mouthpiece
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behind this movement.
And what is this movement?
It has been here since thebeginning of time White
supremacy.
It's about money.
This whole thing is about money.
And it's about power, aboutpower and control.
Money, power and control.
With the money comes the power,with the power comes the
control.
And then you do what I say, asyou do you're a second class
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citizen, you're three fifths apart of a person.
You're, you're this, you'rethat, this is who you are, this
is what you need to be and thisis what we want you.
And we're going to circumvent,we're going to bend the rules,
we're going brown America.
You know voting rights, youknow civil rights, you know.
(15:30):
And then, of course, they'recutting off every avenue of
funding to the black, black andbrown community, the black and
brown business person, the blackand brown nonprofit.
Every avenue of revenue isbeing cut off as we speak.
And why?
Because this is where I this ismy thoughts, I think towards
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you and where you need to be.
And then, of course and this iswhere allies really have to
stand up, because, dr King, I'mgoing to paraphrase one of his
many famous quotes.
He said what's going to beremembered is not the voice of
the enemy, but the silence of myfriends.
Now, of course, there's friendsof our friends that have they
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are Republican.
That's just the way it is, hey,because again, you have your
ideology, you believe what youbelieve.
That's fine.
And of course, again, I'm afirm believer that something
should be controlled bygovernment.
And then there are some thingsthat you know, we have a
birthright to speaking ofbirthright, no, that threat of
that being taken away is being.
It's been thrown out there andit's just.
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We have to take him at his word,and but not only take him at
his word, but we have to reallybombard the gates of our, our
state legislators, our senators,our congressmen and women and
saying this is not what I votedfor.
You know, and again, like wesaid last week, you know, a lot
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of people are going to realizethat instead of saying, hey, I
was wrong about this, I waswrong, they'll let pride swallow
them whole, they're going tolet the price of insulin go back
up to wherever it was andthey're going to suffer in
silence and die, versus saying Iwas wrong.
So we as a people just have tosimply say we got to speak up,
(17:18):
we got to talk.
And, of course, as we know thatall of these kids, let's go
back to pre-january 6th.
Remember, uh, via george floyd,the black lives matter movement
came about and then there wasall these laws against even
against peaceful protests, allthese laws, but january 6th it
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didn't apply.
You know, uh, proud, proud boyswalking down the streets with
guns in Michigan and all theseother places Shouldn't apply.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Right, I mean, that happened, what we're seeing
where we had.
You know, kyle, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
That they actually idolize that young man, and it's
just so many things that are soblatant and so contradictory to
what the US Constitution sayswe have and what we are supposed
to be as a country.
But again it just goes to showyou that there's a fragment or a
(18:16):
fraction of people in thiscountry that they hate.
They just flat out hate.
There's no other word HateWhite supremacy.
It exists, it's real, it'sliving, it has taken on many
forms and fashions over thedecades, but it's still here,
yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
You know you said something a while back about
admitting you're wrong and itmade me think about I've talked
about it many times.
You know I've been married, forwe're coming up on 39 years in
August and one of the hardestthings in that 39 years has been
when we're in the heat of anargument and you know I'm sure
(18:58):
that I'm right and she's usuallyis right, that you know it
becomes a matter of I can'tpossibly admit I was wrong now
because you know what happensthe next?
time we get into you know I'mgoing to she's going to be able
(19:20):
to say you said you were wrongbefore.
Why aren't you wrong now?
You know I mean my imagination.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
And that's the legal, and that's why it's funny.
You just said that the verything, because, of course, the
cut the.
You know, our country is basedon laws and so the law has a
precedent and so if thisprecedent reigns and rules, this
law or precedent may be in yourfavor.
However, if you say you knowwhat I was wrong about, how my,
my stance or my position was onthat thing, rather than say we
(19:51):
were wrong like you, like,you're just using that analogy.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
You know, brother, when it comes to our wives,
we're wrong almost all the time,and just I have to say too,
those times when I have, youknow, bit the bullet and said,
um, and it took quite a while, Imean, I probably is something
I've only been able to do, maybein the past five years or so is
to, you know, come back eitherin the midst of it and just kind
(20:16):
of start breathing and thinking, okay, okay, you've gone far
enough here, or, you know, getcalmed down and then come back.
But when I have been able tocome back, when I have chosen
that's the important when I havechosen to come back and say,
you know what, sweetheart, I waswrong.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
How freeing is that?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
What you were saying and you were really right.
And maybe it's just because thekind of woman my wife is, she
doesn't lord that over me andyou know, and become like high
and mighty about.
Well, I knew I was right allalong.
You know there's none of that,but what it has done is
strengthen our relationship.
It's made me slowly because I'ma man slowly realize that
(21:02):
fessing up and admitting thatI'm wrong really isn't that
painful.
It is humbling.
How freeing is it?
Well, very much so, because allof a sudden you're free to
exist.
The fact that I'm not alwaysright, I can't always be right.
I need to know more.
And that's probably where ourmedia, all kinds of things, get
it wrong is we need to know moreInstead of just immediately
(21:25):
saying what is it?
Mark Twain's famous saying right, you know, believe nothing of
what you hear and only half ofwhat you see.
You know.
And that becomes more and moreof an issue with the media,
because they can tell you.
You can show who, what, where,how and when.
You can show those things.
They're objectively.
(21:45):
This is what happened, this iswhere it happened, this is how.
These are the things that ledup to it happening, blah, blah,
blah.
But the minute you startgetting into why it happened,
you better really do someresearch, because you need to
understand both the parties thatwere involved and what they
were thinking, what was going on, why they did what they did.
And then you need to understandyour own.
Why are you seeing it the waythat you see it?
(22:08):
Because we have biases.
You know, we'll look at twopeople fighting and think that
you know, well, he's obviouslyright, she's wrong, you know no.
And a woman will look and gowhat?
She's obviously right and he'swrong.
Well, what's our bias in?
That?
That's getting in the way of usreally seeing what's going on
and it it's so telling to methat we are as a country, you
(22:32):
know, saying that it's okay todo fellatio with a microphone,
it's okay to talk about ArnoldPalmer's schlong, it's okay.
Those things which would have,you know, 20 years ago, it would
have ended his career.
You know, it would have endedhis career to make fun of a
disabled reporter by doing that.
You know, and getting it ontape that he did that, because
he can't come back and say Ididn't do this, he did it.
(22:55):
That would have ended hispolitical career, but we're okay
with it because that's just theway he is.
Well, I will.
I will die for your right tohave freedom of speech and to
say what you say.
But I also have a responsibilityto myself and to the people
that I you know, know that, knowme and what I want to be known
(23:16):
for to say, yeah, I don't wantto use the F-bomb anymore.
You know, I appreciate that youuse the F-bomb and I'm not
going to say that's, you know,potty mouth, I won't be around
potty mouth.
You know that's baloney too,but you can make the choice that
.
You know, I really don't wantto be around that.
So I mean my son has to learnthat with his mom, right, I mean
(23:37):
, he's F-bombing things becausethat's, you know, he's a
20-something and they F-bomb youknow that F and this, that he
didn't want a stupid F-head, youknow.
And so you sit back and think,yeah, you know, I'm okay with it
.
I'm okay with it, I'm a theaterperson, what the heck?
You know, I've seen worse thanthat.
But his mom does not.
It makes her very uncomfortable.
(23:57):
She doesn't like it.
So he's learned in front of mom.
I'm not going to use that word,that's respectful.
And that's where I think wereally have missed the boat with
our president.
He is not respecting any norms.
He isn't.
You know, the laws don't applyto him because he's the
president and now he can doanything in his office that
would normally be illegal and aslong as it's within the office
(24:21):
of his, the scope of his powers,he can do it and not be
prosecuted for it.
I mean, he's laid in somereally integral pieces to being
lawless and you know he's gonnatake Greenland whether he wants,
you know's gonna take greenlandwhether.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Whether he wants, you know people want to let him or
not and this, and the supremecourt has, uh, given him this
pass to do so, as long as hesays this is within the scope of
his power.
So he can claim any andeverything is within the scope
of his powers, so he's do allthese, uh, executive orders are
within the scope of his powers.
But again, uh, we have to givegod praise that there are some
(24:54):
people out here fighting.
But I want to go back to thepoint you were making.
You made a great point.
You know, yes, what he, the wayhe expresses himself and how he
does things is unacceptable.
But again, we've beenprogrammed to do so, but not to
know, like now, when we talkabout people expressing
themselves and being able toexpress themselves freely, we
(25:14):
have to really take a step backand say, okay, this is their
upbringing, this is where theycame from, this is where they
are now.
Now, understand, you know, it'slike everyone can only
communicate on the level thatthey know.
Right, and so, and the thingwith that is is, simply, we can
(25:35):
disagree with a person'smethodology on a message, but
sometimes you just can'tdisagree with the message.
You can say I didn't like howyou said it, but I 100 percent
agree with what you said and butwith this gentleman it's like I
don't agree with what you'resaying, I don't agree with how
you say it, I don't agree witheven the thought process.
And that's where you know, andthat's where that fine line you
(25:58):
know.
It's like you know, like saying, like you know, talking about
we are, like talking about howwe can have to come to the space
of letting pride go andadmitting when we're wrong.
And that applies on both sidesadmitting that we're wrong about
our stance on a matter, butalso our perception or our bias
in a matter.
(26:18):
Right, like what you're saying.
It's like you know a person cansay a thing a certain way
doesn't make it wrong, it's just.
I may disagree with themethodology in which you
communicate your message, butthe message is on point.
And when we can actually walkthat fine line and give people
grace along those lines, we'llstart to move the needle in this
(26:41):
kingdom.
Like tomorrow, man, I'mstarting a sermon series called
Love Will Win, man, and ofcourse I'm talking about in a
day, in a space, in a time whereyou know these things.
Of course, everything that we'reseeing now, it has been done
already.
You know, of course, with goingback to 1860, something right.
You know, when slavery wasabolished and all those
(27:04):
different things there.
You know the hatred, that, oh,how dare you give these people
the right and the access to dothis and that and the other?
And, of course, what happened,you know, and it's like, every
time there's some form of blackadvancement or brown advancement
, these people, they rise up andsay, okay, that's enough of
this.
You know, we want you to beback in your place.
(27:24):
And here we are again 2025.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yeah, do some research on restoration.
Right After the great Civil War, right, we started making
progress.
There were actually electedofficials that were black men,
that were in the Senate, in theHouse of Representatives, that
were becoming mayors of theirtowns and whatnot, and that went
just so far.
And then Jim Crow laws startedtaking effect and, you know,
(27:48):
incarceration started reallypoaching up.
So we had to find a differentway to enslave those same people
that had been slaves.
And you know and it noticed toothat it wasn't just black
people, it was white people too.
You know, some of the mostintegrated communities are
prisons, you know, when it comesdown to it, because it's people
that don't have the ability tofight, they haven't had the
(28:10):
ability to have education, theyhaven't had the opportunities to
work towards having better jobs.
So what do they have?
They have crime as a way to getby.
You know, I get it, but wecan't talk about that because we
can never get that far in thediscussion.
It's just a never-ending vortexof crap.
(28:31):
And so I keep coming back to thequestion just how much
attention do we pay to it?
Because, I totally agree, weneed to be aware of what's going
on.
But you know, I wear Star Trekstuff all the time and one of
the best characters on Star Trekis Spock, because Spock will
sit there and watch peoplelosing their shit I mean just
emotionally, you know, going outof control and Spock will sit
(28:52):
back there and watch it all andjust go fascinating.
So I got to get to that placebecause I know exactly what
you're saying and my thing is Ijust start getting so like bound
up.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
And we all do we all do.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I got to be fascinated by it.
You know I have to figure out away to keep my mind in that
fascinating, interesting and beable to see what's really going
on, because I believe one of thethings Trump does best is
distract people from what'sreally going on.
You know, there is this issueof he says these outlandish
things so that something right,exactly, it's the magician trick
(29:31):
, right.
So?
And we need to have thatmindset that says fascinating,
so that something right, exactly, it's the magician trick, right
so.
And we need to have thatmindset that says fascinating,
so that we can dig in and say,ah, you know, it's interesting.
When he said that outlandishthing, he also passed this and
this and this, or he also, allthe sudden, you know, mark
Zuckerberg took back his youknow, dei kinds of things he had
been doing with his.
He took back the censorshipthat he was doing on Facebook.
(29:53):
Isn't that interesting?
And the media's responsibilityis to keep track of that and
keep bringing it out.
But it's also interesting thatone of the things he has
attacked from the get-go is themedia, anyone that comes out
with anything that exposessomething he doesn't want to see
or recognize or admit or haveto say I was wrong.
He's attacking those people asfake news.
(30:15):
And so you get, you know, CBS.
Now, in 60 minutes, cbs is beingsued because they did, you know
, during the election, a showwith, you know, kamala Harris
being able to talk with theinterview.
He had been offered theopportunity to do the same thing
, but he didn't do it because hewas waiting for an apology from
what Leslie Stahl or I forgether, but anyways, one of the
(30:39):
primary people who had insultedhim.
He wanted an apology from herfirst, before he would, you know
, tape a show with them and nowhe's suing them because they
gave them, you know, they gaveher, you know preferential
treatment.
Well, you know, it's likesaying I'm suing you because you
didn't shovel the walk when youcame to shovel the walk and I
didn't let you shovel the walkbecause I didn't like the way
you asked me, you know, but youhad every opportunity to get
(31:04):
your walk shoveled.
Why is it now my fault?
Why are you giving me a hardtime?
Because I didn't shovel it, youtold me not to.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
It's a smoke screen, all it is is a smoke.
You're saying moving hands.
You know, watch this car, watch, I'm gonna show you your.
Because he it's all about, no,pretending to be to his base,
you know, of course it's likehe'll give the illusion that I'm
sticking up, I'm fighting foryou and this and that and the
other, but it's like you knowwhat you're actually scared to
go on there because you knowthat they were going to ask you
some tough questions that youweren't.
(31:32):
One, we're not going to be ableto answer and two, a troop was
going to be exposed.
So it's like I'll give you allof this to say, oh, this is why
I didn't do it, and a lot ofpeople, anyone with uh, you know
uh will just simply say thatthat's, that's, that's nonsense.
You know, because, again,especially in a presidential uh
election, you're going to takeevery opportunity to get your
(31:56):
point of view out there, or evento correct some
misinterpretations, or whateverthe case may be.
You're going to want to takeevery opportunity to get out
what you need to get out.
And you know, and of course hedidn't want to do that and the
thing is, but again, like youwere just saying, like the
smoking watch, you know, we have, like you, made a good point.
(32:18):
It's like when we see a wholebunch of noise being made about
something, we got to look atwhat else is, what's happening
behind the hand, what'shappening behind the back?
You know what's happening.
You know because, like you know, we're talking about DEI, we're
talking about the cutting ofbenefits, we're talking about
all these things, but birthrightcitizenship kind of slid on in
(32:40):
there, citizenship and what itmeans.
Because again, if he says, oh,I want to end birthright
citizenship, a lot of peoplewould right away say, oh, um,
they're going to take it to this.
Uh, oh, uh, lat latinoamericans that were born in this
(33:04):
country, their uh, birthrightswill be, uh, revoked, but not
knowing that if that is passed,that precedent goes how much
further back.
And then a lot of people don'teven realize if you got a German
dad and a Polish mom, yourbirthright can be taken away
(33:26):
from you too.
And again, it's like it's thiswhole thing, man, it just.
I've just in my mind, I've hadto simplify this thing down to
it's the same thing as what it'salways been.
It's a white supremacist typeof setting.
It's about money.
You know, it's about money.
I don't want you to get ahead,I don't want you to have
(33:48):
anything and I want all themoney for myself, because the
money gives me power, power tomake decisions, power to
gerrymand and create laws and doall these things against you.
And then the power gives mecontrol, like right now.
We have a presidency, a Senateand a House under one form of
control, and glory be to Godthat I believe that he is
(34:12):
causing confusion in the camp,that they are fighting against
each other.
That's our saving grace.
How many times have we seenthem do that in the Bible?
But it's just, you know, gloryto God.
But it's like all of thesedifferent things, this is where
we are and we have to see thatthis is where we are.
And, of course, until peoplereally grasp and see that hey,
(34:33):
uh, even different sectors ofthe country, different groups,
every, everyone that you'regoing to be affected by this
thing one way or another, like,yes, I'm not 100, but I was uh
looking and they're saying likethe 25 tariffs are going to
start on canada and mexico, weare are North America and how,
(34:53):
you are two closest people,you're going to attack them and
then give China a 10% tariff andagain, people not understanding
what a tariff is and how itaffects the country.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Right, do some research.
Folks you know, or you know,talk to your friends that are
farmers, talk to your, your,your friends that you know like
to drink a lot of beer, um, thevast majority of the beer that
we drink, except, you know,obviously, micro breweries in
the lake, but you know budweiser, anheuser-busch, you know all
the products that they put outthere.
Um, their primary factories arein mexico, you know.
(35:29):
So look it up, look where youknow things are, are bottled in
the US but made in Mexico orwhatever, because the labor is
less expensive, so they can keepthe price of beer down, so that
they sell more.
Canada, right, canada, not onlydo we buy quite a bit, but we
also sell a lot to them.
So, our farming communities,they took a huge hit the last
(35:49):
time we did any significant hit,or, you know, trying to settle
down the amount of trade,because they were buying a lot
of the whey product that's abyproduct of milk, so that it,
you know, can be made intocheese and other products.
Well, they ended up not buyingnearly as much.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
What did China tell American farmers to do?
Y'all eat that soy before webuy it.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Right, exactly you can talk about things like, yeah
, we want more manufacturingjobs back in the US.
But folks understand, I'm notagainst labor getting paid.
They should absolutely be paidbetter and treated better than
we have treated labor in thepast.
But that treatment of labor hasbeen a result of profiting, you
(36:34):
know profit to shareholders,profit to the companies, and we,
frankly, got too expensive asAmerican labor got too expensive
, so they moved things offshoreso that they could make more
profit and show more money tothe bottom line for their
shareholders.
That's it.
So now, if we are successful inbringing people back, think it
(36:58):
through.
What's going to have to happento the cost of everything that
we're buying, because we'repaying more for the bottom layer
of things, or we're going to,you know, pay more for
reconstructing factories, orwe're going to pay more because
they have to put more roboticsinto it so that it makes more
money for you know, or it makesequal amounts of money, whatever
it just there are trickle-downeffects in all this that we
don't get to talk about, and wedon't talk about because we're
(37:19):
too busy grabbing the mackerelthat's been, you know, dangled
in front of us instead ofthinking well, wait a minute,
what?
What's in that mackerel.
Anyways, it looks kind of green.
I don't know.
I don't know that that camefrom good water.
No, we're just sucking themackerel down, going love that
mackerel.
So it's just funny, come on.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
And that's where, again, we have to have a full
understanding of everything andagain, we were talking about
this last season, but it's justhaving a full understanding of
every branch of government, theexecutive, judicial, legislative
branch understanding what theydo and what they do and what
their purposes are, just likewhat you just made a great point
(38:04):
about labor and its cost.
You know, and of course it tookme some years to really figure
this out.
You know, because I just andand honestly my ignorance and my
obliviousness, like when I wasworking at oscar meyer back in
1994, just a few years out ofhigh school, you know, making
great money and of course we inmadison, wisconsin, we're making
(38:25):
12, 13 bucks an hour, right,but what oscar meyer started to
do?
They started to ship out allthe production lines to
fullerton, california, wherethey were able to pay people
half of what they were paying us.
And it was just and we didn'tget it.
We, not, a lot of us didn't getit.
And, of course, just a youngperson like myself just like,
(38:45):
okay, I'm making all this moneyat this young age, this is great
, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But how it affected otherpeople, like the people that
were being there for 20, 30years.
They had these really nicecushy jobs in the Lunchable
section.
You know where.
You just put the cracker in thehole and you know.
But then it's like, ok, thisperson is in their 60s, but now
(39:06):
I'm going to put you back onthis line and their seniority is
going to bump me out, right,right, and it's like all these
trickle-down things and you hitit on the head.
We have to really understandand know there's always a cause
and effect, yeah, and we have tounderstand the reason behind
(39:27):
the cause and then the long-termeffect of that cause.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
All right, we're going to try to stick to our
agenda here.
Right, we had a time thing.
Closing thoughts, Antoine.
Closing thoughts.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Well, no, it's just a simply put we have to believe,
we have to we it's like we, muchas we don't want to give this
person this attention we have tolisten, we have to have, we
have.
Lord, give us eyes to see andears to hear and the ability to
discern, because you know, and.
But not only give us theability to discern, but give us
a biblical action on what stepsto take to fight these things.
(40:01):
Because, again, you know, evenif we try to take the fight to
them, there's laws have beencreated to stop our fight.
So it's like we have to listento what's being said.
There's no, I'm hanging outwith a younger group because I
want to see their forms oforganization now, because, again
(40:22):
, it's like we're talking aboutorganizing and getting this word
out and getting people tounderstand they are the future
of this country and what needsto go and how it needs to go.
So it's like me and my 50something mind.
It's like okay, I need a freshway of thinking, I need a better
way of seeing this thing.
Yes, I have a premise of what'swrong, but how do we attack it?
(40:43):
How do we move the needle?
But in, of course, in my spaceand where I am, and I'm just so
grateful for the love that hasbeen given to me through my Lord
and Savior, jesus Christ, thatI can't help but love how he
loved me.
And of course, just because Ilove and forgive a person don't
mean I condone their sin, it'sjust simply put.
I can't allow it to change howI feel, I can't allow these
(41:07):
things to change my heart'sposture.
So it just, yes, it takes meinto a deeper space of prayer.
I mean, it's just, I candisagree with you, but I can't
let my disagreement turn intohate, because then all I'm doing
is mimicking the poor behaviorthat has been exhibited towards
me.
(41:27):
So if we we again going back towhat we said last week if we can
get people of God, let's startin the church first.
If we can get these MikeJohnson's and all these people
that are sitting in Congresssaying I'm a Christian, I'm a
Christian Louisiana, tennessee,kentucky If these Christians
start to live by biblicalprinciple and less by personal
(41:49):
preference, watch the needlemove.
So that's my final thought onit.
You know, just, we it, just Ican't allow my heart to be
turned, regardless of what issaid, done or thought.
And but at the same time, wecan't condone the behavior.
We have to speak up and outagainst it in a positive form.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Yeah, the more you've been talking, the more I've
been thinking about both mycomment about Spock and being
able to be less emotionallycharged and more intellectually
engaged.
You know to be fascinated by it, Because, you know, Spock never
says he doesn't have emotions,he just says you know, through
logic, they've learned how to,you know, utilize the emotions
(42:34):
and channel them in moreeffective, constructive ways.
So, and I really want to learnand I hope we all can learn that
it's not about the emotionalangst and anger that it causes
in us.
It needs to be about thecompassion for the people that
wanted him as the president.
(42:54):
You know what was it?
What did he ignite in them?
What did he appear?
Because, you know, Luciferappears as an angel of light.
He appeared to them to besomething that they're longing
for, that we long for.
He appeared to be a savior tomany of them for restoring
(43:18):
America, making America greatagain, right, Restoring
America's greatness, and that'ssomething that, if patriotic
people want, right, that's a,that's a passionate thing.
People die for that Right, andsomehow, though, we lost the
ability to think it through andsay what's the best way to get
(43:40):
there, the best way to becomegreat, and I see it more and
more like well, we need to bethe light on the hill.
We need to be the people thatare loving those elderly people
in our neighborhoods that livenext door, that are in nursing
homes.
(44:01):
You know that if you feelcalled, there isn't a nursing
home.
I don't think in the entireUnited States or even in the
world that wouldn't welcomehaving you come on a weekly or
monthly basis to just talk orplay music.
You know, shame on me.
I play guitar and for years Ithought, you know, I should just
go over once a month orwhatever, and just play some
(44:24):
hymns on the guitar, you know,and lead people in song and just
be someone that shows I care,Because that's where I think we
lost the boat.
You know, those of us that are,you know I put it on educated
folks A lot of us have been sobusy being smart about things we
forgot to be kind, we forgot tobe compassionate, we forgot to
(44:48):
be engaged in life, so that thepeople that didn't get educated
have felt like we were sayingall along you're dumb, you don't
understand this, and that's onus the anger that those folks
were feeling.
We played a part in that by notbeing respectful.
(45:08):
I mean, I work with guys thatnever went beyond high school
and I respect, though, what theydo.
They've worked hard all theirlives.
They've been very successful ina lot of things.
That should command my respect.
I can't be walking around going.
Yeah, I'm one of two peoplehere at this company that have a
master's degree.
(45:29):
Master's degree that's the kindof you know.
I'm obviously in caricaturingit, but that's how it's seen.
So let's get back, strip allthe way that nonsense and let's
be watching, listening to whathe's saying and saying.
(45:49):
Okay, fascinating.
Who is this directed at and howcan I get them?
Because we're not going to winagain unless we figure out a way
to reach that spectrum ofpeople that don't think we care,
that don't think that themessage of compassion and DEI
and equal rights, and you know,equal opportunities that those
(46:11):
really are not just for blackpeople, those are for everybody.
Because, whether or not youbelieve, you know in these
things that are horrible, thathappen, whether you, however,
you want to make it, can't wejust admit that it was horrible,
that it happened?
You know people white folks getall upset that well I never had
a slave.
I never did any of that, and youknow.
(46:33):
You know what I didn't either.
But the reality is, can't wejust feel bad about this
happening, that people did thisto other people?
Why does it have to be about?
Well, I don't like feelingguilty because I'm white, not
guilty, but you're white.
You're guilty because you'rewhite.
You're guilty because you're aperson that sits back and lets
this crap happen.
(46:54):
That's why you're guilty.
That's what you should feel badabout.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Period and let's not mistake guilt for just having a
feeling about it.
Of course, a lot of timesthat's it.
Don't mistake guilt forsomething else.
It's just like if the Lordstirs something up in your
spirit, they don't mean I needto feel guilty about it, just
say, ok, for whatever reason,this thing is on my heart to
make some have a voice about itor a movement about it, and let
(47:22):
that happen.
It ain't necessarily becauseexposing things ain't about
trying to guilt other people.
You know, of course I'll saythat.
I've said this in numerousother platforms.
It's just like you know, it'salmost like the country is tired
of hearing the black man cryand it's like, ok, I've heard
that already, now I get it, Iget it, I get it.
Now it's like no, you don't getit because here it is again.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yeah, there's a wonderful moment in I think it's
in Avengers 1, where they firstare coming together.
In Captain America Beautifulscene, there's an older guy,
loki, has come and he's causingall this chaos and getting
people, this large group ofpeople, to kneel before him and
he's saying you know your newlord, blah, blah, blah, whatever
(48:05):
.
You know his pompous nonsense.
And one of the elderly guys inthe crowd stands up and he says
no, I'm not going to kneelbefore you.
There have always been men likeyou that want others to kneel.
And I'm not going to kneel.
And Loki's like see people, letthis elderly gentleman be an
example to you of what happens.
(48:25):
And just as he's about to shoot, blast this guy into
smithereens.
Captain America jumps in withhis shield, blocks the blast
that's coming off and saves thisguy.
And it's like such a moment,yeah, and it's like you know
what?
There's something veryfigurative about that.
Let's be Captain America, let'sbe Captain America that jumps
(48:46):
in the middle of this stuffthat's going on, where people
are being attacked, people ofcolor are being attacked right
now Shadrach, meshach andAbednego.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
You almost described that scene.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Let's do it.
Let's just do that.
Okay, let's set our mind onthat and not on the you know,
just depravity of the minds thatare guiding the picture right
now, Because if we don't, we'regoing to end up just seeing the
picture they wanted to see allthe time and it's going to be
against the law to show anyother picture, and all of our
(49:20):
freedoms that we thought we werefighting for are just going to
be gone.
And that's just a reality ofhow fascism works.
And you know, I don't know.
I pray, pray, God, open oureyes, you know, let us see
what's going on around us andlet us be compassionate enough
to understand how we got thereand convicted enough to get out
(49:43):
Right, To get out of this.
Wake up.
I want to be awake and be awareand do something to help the
people in the nursing home.
That's so much more rewardingthan what we're doing right now,
oh gosh.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
We just have to believe that love will win.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Indeed, there you go, you're starting a series on it.
I heard that this guy, antoineHolliman Sr, was going to be
doing a series on that?
Did you hear that?
I heard that Love will win.
Well, I'm Raul LaBrescia.
What's your name?
Again, I keep forgetting.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
Antoine Holliman Sr.
Oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
Thank you for reminding me.
I'm 64 years old, I forget somuch.
I'm like where am I all thetime lately?
But together we are a frame ofreference, coming together, and
we hope this conversation atleast I do hope gives you
something to think about,something to talk about.
We hope you'll tell yourfriends to listen and to say
(50:43):
what these guys got to say.
And if you don't agree with us,that's fine.
Don't agree with us, but youknow, figure out why you think
what you think and you know whywe're wrong, and maybe maybe
think about how we might beright, because that's important
to consider with anyone youargue with, including my wife.
(51:04):
So right, dude, see you nextweek, same time, same bat
channel.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
All right, man All right Take care.
Have a great week here.
I'll try to give a call thisweek, man, I guess, depending on
what happened in the news,right?
Yeah, I'm going to snoozethrough the news.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Thank you very much All right man.
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