Unmasking Voter Suppression: The SAVE Act Controversy

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Democracy stands at a pivotal crossroads with the introduction of the SAVE Act (Safeguard Americans Voter Eligibility Act), a deceptively named piece of legislation that threatens to fundamentally alter who can participate in our electoral process. Hosts Rauel LaBreche and Antowan Hallmon Sr. pull back the curtain on this dangerous federal bill, exposing how it would require documentary proof of citizenship that approximately 21 million Americans simply don't have access to.

The conversation goes beyond surface-level politics to reveal the profound human impact of requiring birth certificates, naturalization documents, or passports for voter registration. Through personal ministry experiences helping people obtain identification, Antoine shares heartbreaking stories of Americans whose birth records have been lost, destroyed, or never properly filed – particularly affecting those born in Southern states during an era of institutional discrimination. These aren't hypothetical scenarios but real barriers faced by real Americans whose right to vote hangs in the balance.

What makes this discussion particularly powerful is how the hosts connect the practical barriers – limited office hours at government facilities, costs associated with obtaining documents, transportation challenges – with the broader pattern of voter suppression targeting marginalized communities. They methodically dismantle claims of widespread voter fraud, walking listeners through the multiple verification steps already built into our voting systems that make such fraud virtually impossible.

This episode serves as both warning and call to action. Rather than merely reacting to each new assault on voting rights, Rauel and Antowan challenge listeners to develop proactive strategies to help vulnerable voters secure necessary documentation before it's too late. They invite people of faith to examine whether policies that exclude millions from the democratic process align with core Christian values of love, compassion, and inclusion.

Have thoughts on the SAVE Act or ideas for protecting voting rights? Join the conversation at www.forsauk.com and help develop solutions that ensure every eligible American can participate in our democracy.

Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, let's have it.
Hey everybody, whoa, I got towarn you now.
Okay, I know my cohort in crimehere.
I'm Raul LaBrush, by the way,that's Raul, like Raul, remember
, because if you ever meet me inperson and you say Raul, things
aren't going to start out well,okay, so in that conversation.
But Raul LaBrush, one of thehosts here of Coming Together,

(00:24):
so frame of reference, comingTogether, and you can't do
Coming Together unless you havesomebody to come together with.
So my co-host here is a manthat we've known each other for
well over a year.
We're into our second year atleast, aren't we?
Or are we more than?

Speaker 2 (00:41):
that Not yet.
Well, we've been doing this forover a year now together, but
we actually met Salt CountyInstitute of Leadership.
Yeah, yeah, that's where weactually met, and that was about
like three, four years ago.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, something like that.
We met at one of those meals orone of those luncheons that
they did, I think, and I wascrazy enough to say, hey, I got
this idea, what would you think?
And you jumped on it, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
I forgot to ask who are you again.
What's your name?

Speaker 2 (01:14):
I keep forgetting to ask.
My name is Antoine.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Hallman Sr.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that'sright, forgive me, so for now is
it Antoine, with a whole bunchof N's, I forget now.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Antoine, just how it sounds.
Of course people don't again,they'll spell it however they
choose to.
But yeah, it's just Antoine.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
You know, my dad's name was Antoine, but it was the
French version N-T-O-I-N-E andthat was too hard for the person
that did the birth certificatewhen my grandpa came in was very
french, french, canadian.
He had a very thick accent.
He was like ah and t?

(01:53):
E he's on the woman.
It's just like what the heck ishe saying?
So she made it anthony and thenhe always he changed it to
antoine.
So, uh, you know it was knownas twin t-w-W-E-N all his life.
So you know you got an Antoine.
Antoine, I mean, you know wegot some history together, man.
So anyway.
So today's topic is what is itthat you presented the topic

(02:16):
today?
So you get to introduce it.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Oh yeah, man, Today we're talking about the SAVE Act
, the Safeguard Americans VoterEligibility Act.
Of course, in Congress it's HR22.
And of course, man, this is afederal bill, man, that would
require voters to present nodocumentary proof of US

(02:39):
citizenship.
You know, and of course, inorder to, and basically we're
looking at this, it is what itis, you know, of course, on the
surface it's like, oh, we'refighting voter fraud and things
like that, but actually what itis is a way to legalize voter
suppression.
Of course, the thing is, theymark it as a measure against
voter fraud, but again, let'sjust be clear with voter fraud,

(03:02):
it doesn't really exist.
There's been very, very minimaldocumented data, as well as
official investigative measures,that show that this is almost
non-existent.
And even in those cases thatare, there were some form of a
clerical error.
You know, and, of course, theimpact of what they're trying to
do is to systematically excludemillions of eligible voters in

(03:26):
America by creating thesedangerous precedents.
You know about what this is?
A poor policymaking man.
They want to undermine theconfidence of the existing
secure systems and justbasically tear away at the
foundation of a US democracy byplacing these, by making it
harder for Americans toparticipate in this democratic

(03:47):
process and of course the thingis with the SAVE.
Act, man, who is it going toaffect the most?
It's going to affect black,brown, indigenous immigrant
communities, man, who alreadyhave a lot of hurdles to come
over to get legal documentationof their existence, you know,

(04:07):
and of course, but this SAVE Act, again, it's trying to just,
basically, they want you toprovide proof of citizenship,
yep, and then, of course, andhow?
this documentary proof, you knowdocumentary proof in person,
meaning that there's no moreonline registrations and things
like that.
They want you to provide, likeyour birth certificate, your

(04:29):
naturalization certification ora US passport, which a lot of
people just don't have access to.
And we were talking about thissome time ago, man, where you
know one of the ministries thatwe do at FaithWorks Ministries,
and what we're going to betransferring over to the
Humility Inc.
Side of things is we helppeople get their driver's

(04:51):
license and IDs and birthcertificates so that they can
become employable thus makingthem more self-sufficient Right.
However, in our processes, youknow what we do and what we
found is like, say, you take now65 years old, I wouldn't say
that's old, but when you'retrying to agree with that, I

(05:12):
know that's where you are.
When you talk about, like, say,someone born in Louisiana,
Mississippi, Alabama, Georgiaand certain parts of Florida,
you know Mississippi, Alabama,Georgia and certain parts of
Florida, you know it's hard toget their birth certificate

(05:32):
because what thesemunicipalities and these
counties have done over theyears, of course a lot of them
have been misplaced, discarded,and then of course, they're
saying, oh, we're in the processof this annexation, one town

(05:54):
merging with another town, or inthe process of digitizing these
things, the documentation beinglost.
So when we go to look for orburned up in a fire.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
We're going to say exactly.
So when we go to look for, orburned up in a fire, we're going
to say burned up in the fire.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Exactly and when.
When we start to try to dig upsomeone's birth certificate, man
, we can't find it.
And you talk to a city clerk ortown clerk, it's like, ok, how
do we get?
This person is walking around,a human being is walking around,
basically non-existent.
A human being is walking around, basically non-existent.
And of course, me personally, Isay there's another layer to

(06:38):
this because, you know, as youknow, these local municipalities
, local city-state governmentsare being, you know, taken over
by conservatives and things likethat.
I can't help but believe that alot of these things are
intentional and deliberate.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
You know, with the misplacing, destroying of life
documents.
Yep, yep.
Deliberate, you know, with themisplacing, destroying of life
documents, yep, yep.
Well, and remember too, one ofthe other things that's required
as a form of proof is a USpassport.
Well, you can't get a USpassport unless you have birth
certificate, so that you knowthat's a prerequisite for that
document.
So two of these things areactually intimately linked to
one another.
And then the other thingthey're allowing for is enhanced

(07:04):
driver's licenses, so whichthere are very, very few states
right now that allow for that,and that basically has a code on
them, or like a special littlesymbol on them that also says
okay, this person has beenchecked with a birth certificate
that you know has proven thatthey are in fact a US citizen,
and everything is hokey-dokeythat way.

(07:27):
And that speaks to more of apractical problem.
There's two practical problemsI want to deal with.
Not only is the issue of thesedocumentation problems, but even
if your documentation doesstill exist, you can't go to a
county clerk's office in theevening.
You can't go to a countyclerk's office in the evening.
You can't go to them on theweekend.
They usually have prettyprescribed hours, like 8 till 4,

(07:50):
sometimes 8 till 4.30, someplaces 9 until 4 or 9 until 4.30
.
Well, guess what?
Most of the people that wouldhave these issues have jobs, so
how are they supposed to getthere during those daytime?

Speaker 2 (08:08):
hours?
Right, they have to do, even ifthey try to go on their lunch
break, right?

Speaker 1 (08:11):
uh, the clerk's office is closed between noon
and one, exactly so unless youknow ahead of time right where
that's going to happen and youknow so.
You're talking about peoplethat are already, in a lot of
instances, kind of kind offighting for, you know know,
just survival, living frompaycheck to paycheck.
I've been there.
I know you don't want to betaking PTO for doing something

(08:31):
like this if you don't have to,because that's time you can't
just relax.
You're, you know, waiting in aline or whatever.
If you're in a bigger city, youknow, good luck getting that
done in less than two hours.
Just because of the number ofpeople that are usually there,
for whatever reason, they areable to get off, or I don't know
how.
You know how that ends up beingbusy.
Sometimes it's just because ittakes so long with each one that

(08:52):
all you need to have is sixpeople and all of a sudden
you're way behind.
So there's the practicalityaspect of that, which, again,
you have to believe.
It's very difficult to notbelieve that.
That's part of the thinkingthrough of this process.
Hey, let's do it.
So you have to have theseparticular documents and then
let's make sure that we end uphaving it during the most
inconvenient times for most ofthese people that we're pretty

(09:15):
sure are voting against us.
Okay.
Then the other thing that reallyreally gets at me is I looked
up how much it would take.
So this is talk.
We are talking fraud, right?
So fraud.
In order for that to happen,you'd have to have like a fake
id, okay.
So I looked up fake id.
How much does it cost onaverage to get a fake id?

(09:35):
And we're not talking, you know, going down to the store having
some kid that prints them outand then, you know, paste your
picture on.
Like Hollywood would end up,you know, making you think that
that would be okay.
Maybe in the 60s you could getaway with that, but today, if
you've got a real license from areal place, you know, a
certified license or a passportit's going to be you're going to
have to have some prettysophisticated equipment.

(09:57):
So it costs I looked up itcosts between $1,100 and $1,400
to get a fake ID or fakeidentity.
If you're going to go all thatway, get a fake identity
altogether so they can't traceit to you, because that would be
the smart thing to do, anyways.
So these people that are fakingif they exist, are putting a
really significant chunk ofchange in order to make that

(10:20):
falsity work at the level thatit needs to work for this to
happen.
I'm sorry, but that seemspretty dumb that you could
expect that that's going tohappen on a widespread scale,
unless, of course, elon Musk isfunding it and saying you know,
come to this rally and we'llgive you all, we'll have a booth
set up where you can get thismade and we'll cover the cost.

(10:43):
Right, can't you see thathappen?
Maybe George Soros would getbehind that?
Huh, everybody seems to love tohate old george.
So then I just looked andthought I talked with friends of
mine that run the voter.
Uh, you know booths.
Or here here in town, herewe're a little tiny town,
prairie to sack, wisconsin 4 000people.
Okay, so if at this level ofour town, when you go to vote

(11:04):
there, you have to have apicture ID, they still accept
driver's licenses.
So you know, because we knowhow easy those are to fake too
these days with all their.
You know holographic imageryand you know the pictures that
are sealed under lamination.
And you know now there's evenanother special symbol in there.
That's clear and if you turn itaround it's holographic right.

(11:24):
There's symbols that areprinted over in the lamination.
There's our.
Our wisconsin ids are prettydang sophisticated and hard to
reproduce, but you know, if yougot 1400 laying around, not a
problem, um, anyway.
So you got to present that id.
They look up on a computer theyhave.
They're linked into a statesystem to be able to and I
believe it for well, for thenational elections.

(11:46):
They do checks into that system.
They try to find that same nameand they hold on to your
license so they can make surethey get the right spelling.
They find your name on theirregister and when they verify
that you're that person, theycheck it so that it becomes
locked.
That name becomes locked.
You can't vote again somewhereanywhere in the state because
that thing is locked.

(12:08):
So there's an issue, right?
And then, once you do that, thenyou have to go to another table
where they have a printed log,a roster of all the people that
are registered to vote,pre-registered to vote in this
area area, and they check tomake sure you're in there.
Two different people check theyhave two different lists to

(12:28):
make sure that there isn't anerror in one of the lists or
that somebody checked the wrongname you know previously,
because there's so many Smithsin the world or in our case, in
this community Brinigs right,there's a bazillion and one
Brinigs.
Those people are good Catholics.
They reproduced a lot of folks,anywho, I digress.
So they double-check thatbefore they give you a ballot.
So then you take the ballot andyou do your thing and vote for

(12:51):
who you want to, and thenthere's a little computerized
thing that it looks like acopier that you can only scan in
one way.
If you scan it in the wrong way, the machine says ah, dude, put
it back and put it in the rightway, and you put that into that
form.
It's not like it puts it in achamber where you can get at and
run it a couple of timesthrough.
Once it's in there, it's inthere and that again it's hooked

(13:13):
into the internet in lockdownto be able to vote just one time
with that piece of paper.
That piece of paper is codedwith a barcode so that it can't
be reproduced and run a secondtime, checked against a roster,
computerized Okay.

(13:34):
So if there's huge amounts offraud going on, that means you
have to have some sort of verysophisticated computer
technology and computercapabilities in order to futz
not only with those machines butfutz with the records that are
kept on these systems.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
It'll cost more to commit fraud than to actually
get your real ID and passport,etc.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Right.
So who's doing this?
You want to talk aboutconspiracy theories.
They're always giving the folksthat are liberals putting off
that this isn't know, or youknow we stole the vote.
All that jazz this is morewould require some serious you
know covering of your not onlyback end, but you know your

(14:14):
tracks to be able to see wherethe digital footprint is that
caused these problems.
Much more likely to be a statefunded kind of thing.
So if that's the case, thatRussia or Iran or the people
that want to see us screw thingsup, if they're funding that
kind of sophistication and I'mnot saying they couldn't, if
they really had sophisticatedenough programming, okay then

(14:37):
that means that our electionsare in fact corrupt and that
whoever wins that time, eitherthey didn't do a good enough job
in Iran or Russia to be able toreally influence things, or you
know something.
Anyways, I say all that becausein just talking through that
system, it's kind of crazy.
It's just crazy to think thatthere aren't other ulterior

(15:01):
motives going on here in thiswhole thing.
Other ulterior motives going onhere in this whole thing,
because the law does state thatthe bill states that those who
register to vote by mail by mail, which you know, during COVID
all evil took place, nothing butevil, because people couldn't
go to vote.
All of a sudden, this voterfraud started happening, which,

(15:22):
by the way, probably helpedRepublicans more than it helped
other people, because a lot ofthe folks that were doing that
were in nursing homes.
Right, they were the mostvulnerable citizens to COVID, so
they were the ones that weregiven the opportunity to vote by
mail.
And if they think that themajority of elderly people are
voting for Democrats, I have ahard time believing that.

(15:45):
I would think at best it's anequal split between right, so
they shall not be registered.
If you're going to vote by mail, you shall not be registered to
vote in an election for federaloffice.
Right, doesn't say anythingabout states, because they know
they can't pass it throughstates but through federal

(16:06):
office, unless that documentaryproof of United States
citizenship is presented inperson.
Well, guess what else is underattack right now?
Natural-born citizenship.
So something that isconstitutionally prescribed
since the beginning of thefoundations of our nation in the

(16:27):
constitution is beingchallenged because once they
would get this passed, once theyget through this, they have
this two-tiered approach goingon, where they're going to also
take away that, that privilegeof being a united state citizen.
If you've been born here in theUnited States, which has been
you know, they could probably goback and say that you know

(16:49):
Obama wasn't legitimately apresident.
So anything you know he did,because you know he apparently
never provided the proof whichhe did.
You know, it's just a.
It's unfathomable to me thatpeople are not realizing that
there's such, there's such adearth of information that is
not being held out there in theopen and they are taking

(17:11):
advantage Folks, they are takingadvantage of people that are
ignorant, not stupid, not stupid.
Okay, let's be careful ofcalling people stupid, because
no one likes to be called stupid.
These are smart people, even ifthey're working class mega
folks.
They're smart people, but theyare ignorant.
They don't have the time.

(17:31):
Oftentimes they're workingcheck to check, hand to mouth
kind of thing.
They don't have time to do thiskind of research and they,
frankly, wouldn't know how to doit.
So and that's part of you know,I went to college, I got a
graduate degree.
There's one thing you have tolearn when you're going after
those degrees is how to doresearch and how to ask
questions and how to make surethat you are able to critically

(17:54):
think about things.
They don't get to do that inhigh school.
Heck, in high school you'relucky to get through reading,
writing and arithmetic right,because of the things that are
just necessary to get through tograduate from high school.
So it's just, it's such amultifaceted, such a complicated
attack on things that we needto get educated in it so that we

(18:18):
can present the information andhave sources, multiple sources,
to go to, because that's theother thing.
Why do you think fake newsbecame such a big deal?
Why is that such a constanttalking point?
The fake news, the fake news,the fake news, the fake news.
And you think, well, of coursethey got to do that.

(18:38):
Because then anyone who'strying to do true journalistic
endeavors, that's, trying toverify sources, triple verify
sources before they publishanything, those people are going
to be just called fake news.
And because now you've gotten ahuge segment of society to
believe that there is such athing.
And yes, there has been such athing for the beginning, since

(18:59):
the beginning of time.
I would say that Mad Magazinewas fake news, because if you
didn't know that Mad Magazinewas parody and you know, just
being, you know, done as kind ofa fun way of kind of looking at
things and saying isn't thissilly, but it did have some
truth in it.
You could call that fake media.
So they really you got to givethem credit.

(19:21):
They are really doing thissmartly.
So think, get people, dowhatever you can to just ask
them to think you know, becausethey're not going to get it from
their sources of media.
You know you've said itmultiple, multiple times,
antoine, you know get out ofyour news bubble, challenge your
beliefs, challenge your biases,because that's the only way any

(19:42):
of us really learn.
I'm willing to accept that it isimportant to verify, it is
important to make sure.
But holy jiminy's batman, ifyou can't look at our process
right now in prairie du sac,wisconsin, and think about all
the steps you already have to gothrough, what the heck are they
worried about fraudulent mailgoing in?

(20:04):
I mean, for goodness sakes, abirth certificate is easier to
fake than a passport or adriver's license, which is
required.
Now I I do not get it, folks.
I simply do not get it that wedon't think about this more.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
I don't yet, yeah, man, it's just, it's unfortunate
that uh, majority, I'll say uh,you know, close to whoever
voted in the favor of thecurrent administration,
approximately 80 million people,I can't help, but just simply
say they have fallen under thespell of a form of a dark

(20:39):
psychology man with thegaslighting, blame, shifting,
the projection, the flat outmanipulation.
You know, a person does areally horrible thing and then
make you question your reality,make you question your thought
process, and that's what youknow, in flat out.
Some people are just along withthe brutality and the cruelness

(20:59):
of this administration.
Some people just love it.
They love the cruelty of it,but not realizing how this
affects them.
You know, with the SAVE Act man,you know, of course, when we're
talking about the requirements,the documentation that's needed
, who was affected, you know, isof course here in Wisconsin.
They've given us up until justI think we got to early May to

(21:20):
have our real ID, like you weretalking about, like the
Wisconsin IDs have gotten sosophisticated now that you know
this real ID is required fortravel.
Now, of course and it's funnyhow, like they're saying, like
to show document, documentaryproof, to vote in federal
elections, you know, is I had toshow a birth certificate to get

(21:41):
the real ID, to get the real ID.
So why wouldn't?
Because now they're saying thatthe real ID is not valid, or a
military ID is not valid unlessit's paired with additional
documents like a birthcertificate, naturalization
certificate or a passport.
But keep in mind that you needa birth certificate to get one
of the above things and so,again, it's just another hurdle.

(22:03):
It's a deliberate attack, man.
The impact on marginalized,rural and communities of color
man, it's just another hurdle.
It's a deliberate attack, man.
You know, the impact onmarginalized, rural and
communities of color man is justout.
It's just crazy.
You know, of course, a lot ofcommunities, man, we don't have
access to these requireddocuments, you know, and, of
course, like we're just talkingabout the cost involved in even
getting them.
That's why we are one of thereasons that one of our

(22:25):
ministries is to help people gettheir IDs and things like that,
their birth certificates, tohelp them become employable and
more self-sufficient.
But now the primary focus is sothey have the vital records
necessary to vote.
And, of course, when we'retalking about this whole thing,
it's like now you can't, youhave to do this, you have to do
all of this in person.

(22:45):
Now, if you're a rural person,if you're living in a rural area
, how far do you have to travelto get to a office to present
these documents?
If you have a ride?
And I'm going to use this as anexample 75, 80 year old white
lady Live alone.
She, she, she participates in ademocratic process by voting,

(23:09):
by mail.
But you're telling her shevoted for this administration.
But now she's starting to seehow the thing that she voted for
is affecting her.
Because, again, this, thesethings are targeted.
But a lot of people didn't know.
All these things won't affectme.
I can vote in a certain way, Icould do these things, you know.

(23:30):
I can know I'm voting for thisparticular administration
because their economic policiesor their policies on immigration
, quote, unquote, you know.
But it's again now they'restarting to really see how these
things affect them.
Because not only is this thingaffecting people of color, but
it's affecting married women,married white women.

(23:51):
You know, now it's like justthink, if you're your marriage,
your birth certificate says onething and your state ID has your
married name on it.
Now you got to go and dig upyour marriage license here in
Green Bay and dig up yourmarriage license.
Here in Green Bay, one of ourpastor friends, her husband,
passed away about four or fiveyears ago and now, of course, as

(24:16):
we start to move towards therequirement of having this real
ID, she went down and, of course, her married name is one but
her birth name is another.
She had to go through years andyears of documents to find her,
her marriage certificate.
And, of course and just thinkabout this, you know, you know a
lot of again in in rural,marginalized, poor communities.

(24:41):
Think about how often you haveto move.
For one economic issue oranother.
You have to move.
You economic issue or another,you have to move.
You have to pick up and moveand in the course of these
transient times and transientspaces, documents are lost,
birth certificates are lost,marriage licenses are lost and,
and it's like it just flat out,hey, over time you forgot where
you put it.
And then, of course, uh, it'sjust these things where it's

(25:01):
like these herb, thesedeliberate hurdles put in place
to impact certain groups ofpeople, and this includes white
women.
And then this is where it'slike okay, you really got to, we
really got to.
Like you said, it's like we haveto really start calling light
to this.
We see this big thing on thesurface, but there are so many

(25:23):
things undercurrent that aregoing on.
But there are so many thingsundercurrent that are going on.
You know, of course, like justtalking about the discriminatory
impact on women.
You know, it's just like.
You know, it's basicallytelling you hey, I don't trust
you to participate in ademocratic process unless you
can prove that you, who you are,and it's just, it's just

(25:43):
outlandish.
You know, and it's just, it'sbasically legalizing voter
suppression is what this isdoing and if we're not careful,
it is targeted racism.
You know you're trying todeliberately disenfranchise tens
of millions of people.
You know, 20, approximately 21million Americans lack the
proper documentation to get theinformation required for the

(26:05):
SAVE Act.
And keep this in mind, like yousaid you made this point Many
of them are already registeredvoters.
But, however, if, coming inthese upcoming elections, if
they can't provide what the, ifit makes it through Congress,
which we have to get, we have tobe in Senator Ron Johnson's ear
saying, hey, don't vote forthis because it went through the

(26:27):
House really, really fast.
Yeah, it wasn't even talkedabout, it just came to the floor
, boom, and all of them votedfor it.
Now it's in the House, is it isin the seat of the Senate to
vote this thing through.
So we got to reach out to oursenators and say, hey, no don't,
we don't like this, we don'tlike that Because, again, even

(26:52):
though it was targeted at onegroup of people, but you start
to see how it affects everyone.
You know again, you know, likewe saw that last week, a couple
weeks ago, with the hands onmovement, you know, of course, a
lot of people when they reallystart to come out of their news
bubbles and see how the actionsof this administration are
really starting to affect them,ie their Social Security,
medicaid, you know, you saw alot of people of all

(27:12):
nationalities out in those linesbecause they say it affects
them and it's unfortunate to say, you know, you saw some white
farmers saying you know, evenwith the cutting of USA, they
say they'll still vote for him.
And again, man, just when we'retalking about this, say that.
You know we really, the cuttingof USA, they say they'll still
vote for him.
And but again, man, just whenwe're talking about the Save Act
, you know we really have tostand up against it, we have to
speak out against it.
We have to bombard Senator RonJohnson's doorstep and his

(27:36):
phones and telling him no, ifyou vote yes to this, you are
not representing us.
You know, and of course.
But that's uh, it's just.
It's just, it's a bad thing.
Requiring people to try to bein person and they're not having
any kind of online or mail inalternatives is is this thing is

(27:56):
designed to exclude, not toprotect voting rights is to
exclude people from voting and,of course, when they do, uh,
they try to weaponizebureaucracy, maintaining the
racial hierarchies of theelectoral process, right Cause
again, like you know, it's funnyhow, like this current
administration says hey, youknow, we're trying to cut out

(28:18):
bureaucracy by cutting all theheads of these, uh, the EPA and
USDA and the CDC.
They're cutting all thesebureaucracies but they want to
create one when it comes tovoting, and so these people,
they can't have it, or revenue,the external revenue service.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
right, if you can cut that off, then you've got all
kinds of ways to get rid ofthings that now you've got to
balance the budget because we'renot charging you income taxes.
We're your saviors.
We're not charging that.
Oh, there is going to be aservice fee for using internal
revenue service, though, just soyou know, it's just not going
to be tax free.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
And, like you said, brother, it's like, under the
guise or under the banner ofelection security, they strip
away the rights of eligiblevoters, undermining the trusted
programs that we already have inplace, minding the approach,
the trusted programs that wealready have in place.
But it also it'll like, say,again going back to like, saying

(29:12):
, having to have these variousforms of id.
If you don't have these variousforms of id, they'll
criminalize that process.
They'll try to criminalize thatdiscrepancy in your
documentation, like, say, amarried woman going to vote if
she don't have her marriagecertificate, her birth
certificate and and her, if allthree of these things have to
match up with current addressesand xyz and all these different

(29:33):
things.
But if you don't, if they don'tmatch up, they're gonna.
They're gonna try to charge youwith some kind of voter fraud
or put a they want to have uh,many documented cases of voter
fraud on record to justify thiswhole thing.
And so they're going to createuh, they're going to create
cases of voter fraud.
And the thing is, when you digdeeper, you'll see that they're

(29:55):
not voter fraud.
They'll just be simply saying,hey, what the actual idea, the
actual case will be, is simplyhey, I don't have the access to
get the documentation that isneeded for this.
But you know, of course, ifthey't have the access to get
the documentation that is neededfor this, but you know, of
course, if they're talking abouttrying to put the SAVE Act in
place, man, it'll codify votersuppression, man, this is just

(30:16):
one of those things, man, wejust cannot let sit.
You know, we people and this ispeople all races, all colors,
all religions, all politicalaffiliations, it affects
everybody.
Because again and again, man,just I'll say this and I'll
yield, it's just a lot of peoplevoted for this administration,

(30:39):
man.
Because again they say, oh, itwas his economic policy or his
immigrant policy.
I have a firm belief thatpeople vote for people based on
what they do, and of course,people are seeing what this man
has done, even in his first term.
No, he is a blatant racist.
He hates people.
You know, let's just say it, hehates people.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
He humiliates anyone that stands against him and he's
very cruel.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
He's very cruel.
He's very cruel and people lovethe fact that other
marginalized groups of peopleare going to be held under a
hammer or under a thumb or justbe like.
You know what's happening inimmigration right now.
This is just cruelty, man, thisis borderline.
It's actually I'm going to sayit it's inhumane, like you know
what's going on, but the thingis.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
They are smashing people's windows in their cars
smashing them with sledgehammersand pulling people out of their
cars and shoving them into vans.
I mean it is ridiculous and weare letting it happen.
We're letting it happen.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
And people have voted for this, but now they're
starting to see how it actuallyaffects them.
And again we here at a frame ofreference, coming together,
we're not only calling thisthing out, but we're also giving
it make, trying to create asafe space for people to come
and say, hey, I was wrong.
Let's now, let's come to thetable and see how can we start

(32:07):
to combat these things.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
And that's what we're trying to do here create a safe
space to say hey, I was wrong?

Speaker 2 (32:12):
How many times have you and I both said hey, I was
wrong?

Speaker 1 (32:15):
about that.
Oh man, come on, I'm wrong morethan I'm right.
Ask my wife, She'll tell you,or my kids.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
I'm in this grief.
But yeah, man, this legalizedvoter suppression.
But yeah, man, it's legalizedvoter suppression.
And again, man, it's the costof even hosting elections are
going to go up.
There's so many bad things thatare going to happen with this
act if it goes through, and wejust have to fight.
We have to fight with the rightheart's posture of being
Christians.
You know, of course, we don'trepay evil with evil.
We overcome evil with good.

(32:42):
You know, we just have to.
We have to.
We can be bold, we can even beloud, but we have to keep the
right heart posture.
And when I say right heartposture, we're standing.
You know, we're livingaccording and acting according
to God's biblical principlesversus our own personal
preferences.
And that's where you know wewill win this thing.
Love will win.

(33:02):
I encourage people to go backand watch my sermon for February
.
Love will win because itaddresses a lot of these things
as far as racial unforgivenessand all these different things.
But yeah, this act, instead ofsolving a voter issue, it
actually create a voting crisis.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
I I'm kind of getting more cynical as I get older.
I do believe, you know, I'veread to the end of the book and
I do believe that there is a.
You know the story turns outfine and the reality is, though,
I don't know if we're in thetribulation right now or if

(33:42):
that's yet to come.
If it's, you know, hard toimagine, but, you know, is it
going to get much worse beforeit gets any better?
I just don't know.
So my cynicism takes over inthat I want to be prepared, and
it's hard, honestly, it's hardfor me to believe that we can
win this battle, win this battlejust because in our state, in

(34:05):
Wisconsin, and in the nationalyou know Congress, the Democrats
have us, you know, a majority.
So the way that we're going towin is by getting the Democrats
that are the majority, gettingenough of them to believe that,
okay, go ahead, vote for this,but you're not going to get in

(34:28):
office again.
So you know if you're ready forthat.
And at that point then, youknow, does it all get turned
around?
You know, potentially, you knowit could get turned around when
you've got a differentadministration in, but the key
will be whether or not you canget a different you know
administration in.
So they are recognizing thatthey've got a pretty short

(34:49):
window here to get this, getthis passed, cause if they don't
get it figured out by 2026,it's, it's going to be, you know
, it's going to be hard for themto ever get it to happen.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
This has been the most hardest hundred days of any
presidency to this point.
Yep, you know, uh, and, ofcourse, and like I was watching
one news show just saying howthese people, they're actually
everything they're doing is justtest runs, the deliberate
disobeying of judicialprecedences and things like that
.
They are testing the waters,man, in its first 100 days.

(35:25):
They're testing the watersbecause, again, if we're not
careful, we got four more yearsof this man.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
If we, if not more Lord willing, if not more Right.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
So my, my point is I'm just going to say man again,
this whole thing is designed tofrustrate people out.
They threaten people out ofparticipating in democracy, but
they also want to frustratepeople out.
They threaten people out ofparticipating in democracy, but
they also want to frustrate youout of participating, right
right.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
So my encouragement you know where my cynicism gets
encouraged is I want to thinkbeyond what they're doing right
now.
I am tired of doing nothing butreacting to what Trump does, to
what his administration isdoing.
I am sick and tired of it andas an actor at heart, I know the

(36:12):
difference between actors andthe rest of the people that I
know, actors and artists ingeneral.
We know how to innovate.
So let's stop chasing the tail,because these guys are the tail
end of humanity.
They are the butthole ofhumanity.
Nothing that is coming out ofthem is nothing but shit.
Okay, I'm saying it becauseAntoine can't.

(36:33):
He's a minister.
I get that, so I am.
I am the voice of vulgarityhere on frame of reference
coming together, but you know itis literally.
It is nothing but shit that iscoming out of this butthole of
an administration.
So I'm probably going to gettaken away by the NSA for having
said that, but the reality isthat we own the list, man.

(36:53):
Right.
Well, you know, and hopefullythey won't wipe out this podcast
before it gets to the rightpeople.
So if you can adopt thephilosophy that, okay, do what
you can, do what you have timefor to call senators.
But in our state, ron Johnson,he's not going to listen to me.
He's already accepted that he'snot going to win an election
with my vote, so what does hecare?

(37:13):
What I think the number ofrepresentatives that are
Republicans that have gottentheir butts chewed by having
their town meetings, whichthey're supposed to have with
their constituencies, they'renow dialing in, right, the war
was the place they're nowdialing in, right, the war was
the place where they actuallyhad a cutout, a life-size cutout
, of the representative, andthen he phoned in to the thing.

(37:38):
So it's like are you kidding me?
A cutout representative, that'sa paperboard thing, their foam
core, you know person.
And then that's supposed tosuffice, for I couldn't make it
here but I sent my foam coredummy, you know.
So here they are trying toavoid any direct conflict with
people in contact, right Contactwith anybody that might, you
know, differ with their opinion.
So they are hiding, they arehiding under rocks to avoid

(38:00):
doing that.
So can those guys be convincedenough that, okay, do you want
to try to take the chance thatyou're not going to get into
office?
And the only thing that makessense to me that they are
banking on is that it won'tmatter what these people think,
because by the time 2026 comesaround, they're not going to be
able to be voted out.

(38:21):
So we have two strategies, fromwhat I can tell, that we can
utilize.
One is now mobilize, just likeyou are, antoine.
Mobilize so that you can helpas many people as you possibly
can to get legitimate IDs.
You know, if they're homeboundpeople that have done mail order
, figure out now how you'regoing to get those people not
only to voting stations, but howare you going to get them these

(38:44):
legitimate types of ID so thatthey can vote.
Get that figured out and figureit out now, because you've only
got until 2026 to do that, ifthis damn thing passes, okay.
So that's number one mobilizefor that now.
Forget about what the he's goingto do tomorrow to piss you off,
because he's probably got apost-it note board or bulletin

(39:06):
board that's the size of Miami,that they're just putting things
up to it and saying, okay,which of these things will get
the most people upset so that wecan distract them from what we
want to do.
And it'll be like magic, right,it'll be magic that they will
watch them just scurry like abunch of bunnies in a hat, right
, it's just.

(39:26):
It's so obvious that that'swhat's going on and we are
stupid enough to fall for it.
We are stupid enough tocontinue to respond to his
idiocy of the Gulf of America.
Come on, who gives a rat's buttright now, if he wants to call
it that, fine.
I got bigger battles, like howam I going to get these people

(39:48):
their legitimate documentationthat they need in order to be
legitimate voters?
So, get that figured out, okay.
And then the other thing thatjust gets me is that we need to
start figuring out what ouragenda is if we don't pass this
stuff and 2026 does end up beingthe last straw.

(40:09):
I don't think it can be thelast straw.
I think we better bestrategizing now what the,
either the protests or the, theactions that we're going to take
as a country of people thatwant a civil, want a
compassionate, want a diverse,equality-driven,

(40:30):
inclusively-driven society thatsays you know what?
I don't agree withtranssexualism.
I don't personally, but I'm notgoing to tell you that you're
going to hell because you do.
That's not my place.
I am not God.
Okay, god gets to make thatjudgment and if he looks at the
heart of a person and decidesthat you know what that was

(40:52):
earthly stuff, we're not.
You love people.
You know.
You love people.
You were compassionate.
You help people around youEnter the kingdom, right?
I don't know, it's not my jobto know that stuff and I will
fight to the finish with anyonethat tells me they're going to
hell.
Oh yeah, when did you becomeGod Exactly?

(41:14):
When did you become God?
I would like to know, becauseif you're going to sit there and
point to scriptures that saythat that's true, I can point to
one, if not two, if not threeother scriptures that tell you
to put that in measure, to putthat in a perspective that has
to make sense with that otherthing.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Exactly, man.
People cherry pick scripturesto fit their motive, of
scriptures to fit their motive.
Uh, what did god?
When god came off of the mountman in exodus 34, uh, 34, 6.
He came down and told in person.
He came down and told us who hewas.
He was a gracious and mercifulgod.

(41:53):
No, no, slow to anger,steadfast and everlasting love,
meaning he loves us all,regardless of our lifestyle,
political affiliation, race,color, whatever.
He loves us all, regardless ofour lifestyle, political
affiliation, race, color,whatever.
He loves us all.
And again, like you were justsaying, man, we have to stand up
for every right because, again,a lot of people aren't even
familiar or haven't even heardof this thing.

(42:13):
That is what we're talkingabout today.
A lot of people haven't evenheard of it.
You know they're because, likeon fox news, they're not going
to say too much about this,because, again, they don't want
to bring light to what.
Because, again, when peoplereally get the just of this,
they'll know how much itactually affects them or they
bought the line that it'scorrupt.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
We have corrupt elections.
We have to do something becausethere's no way trump could have
lost to biden.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
No way, you know yes because you know, and again,
like man, you know, like, uh,again, just these people as a
whole man, you know, like, again, just these people as a whole
man, you know, you know we talkbecause these people, these
people, tomorrow they're goingto call, they're going to I'm
just going to say this, I'm justgoing to say it they're going
to allegedly celebrate the risenChrist with foul hearts and he,

(42:57):
when he says, you honor me withyour lips, but your heart be
far from me, that is what it is.
Because you know these peopleknow they're saying they're
Christian, but they're theseacts of hate, man, these acts of
racism, you know these acts ofsuppression, you know these
stripping away of rights, andagain, you do it all under the
guise of voters, electoralsafety or whatever.

(43:18):
And then this save, that it'snot a step towards stronger
elections.
You know, it is basicallyinstitutionalized voter
suppression.
You know, just legitimized bylaw.
You know we got to reject thisSAVE Act, you know, because it
masquerades as some type ofreform, but it's going to
actually be regression.

(43:39):
And if we can make it throughthis man, you know we, we have
to make it through this because,again, this is just the
beginning of what we've seen theother rights that are being
taken away a woman's right tochoose who.
Who has the right, other thanthat woman herself, than to say

(44:01):
what she chooses to do with herbody?
Her and her doctor makes thatchoice.
If a person wants to live anLGBTQ lifestyle, who can tell
them that they cannot?
We as pastors.
That's one of the main reasonsthat we are a Christian,
non-denominational church,because we say all are welcome.
We will not deny anyone JesusChrist because of whatever
denominational bylaw that anykind of church allegiance or

(44:25):
federation may have.
You come to Christ and that'swhy you know.
Again, man, getting back tothis act itself and the people
that are trying to invoke thisact, they say they're Christian,
but, man, their hearts aresaying otherwise and the Bible
tells us that we'll know them bytheir fruits and, of course,
their fruits.
Nothing referred to materialwealth is referring to what they

(44:47):
have done, what they have stood.
What side of history are you on?
And again, it's like thesepeople are going to be sitting
up in churches saying hallelujah, hallelujah, but they have so
much hate in their heart.
And of course we know 1 John, 4, 20 and 21 tells us plainly you
cannot say you love God andhate people?
You can't.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Well, and judgment.
So much judgment right.
Judge not that ye be not judged.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Love and not judged.
That's what we're supposed todo.
You said it.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
I want to point out that you know what are the two
commandments.
Jesus himself, okay, what arethe commandments that he was
asked?
What are the most importantcommandments, lord?
You know he's talking aboutthese in both at least, matthew
and Mark, and what does he say?
He says you shall love the Lord, your God, with all your heart,
with all your soul, with allyour mind and with all your

(45:35):
strength.
And the second is this theseare the two that matter you
should love your neighbor asyourself.
So, second is this these arethe two that matter.
You should love your neighboras yourself.
So my biggest hope you know,the thing that counters my
cynicism the most is that thepeople that are on the side of
this are breaking rule numberone and rule number two, the two
commandments that he called usto do more than anything else,

(45:56):
because people are loving money,they're loving their own
security, they're loving Trump,they're loving this.
You know Republican strategy ofyou know put America first.
Right.
So we have our idols right.
You have your idols that areyou're placing above God.
Cause, if you love the Lord,your God, with all your heart
and all your soul and all yourmind and all your strength, I

(46:16):
guarantee you take care of thatfirst, you'll start seeing
things in a different light.
And if you love your neighboras you love yourself, because I
feel so blessed.
I have two neighbors, oneacross the street from me and
one right to my left, that bothhave trans flags up right now
and I think to myself God, thankyou for putting me in a place
where I get to love on thesepeople without any sense of one

(46:39):
has had a daughter that you know, biologically born daughter
that now is his son, you know,and went in.
Another is a biological sonthat went to being their
daughter and they're so muchhappier after having done that.
And then I look at things likethe scientific research that's
being done, where it's not justX and Y.
We've been trained that it'sjust X and Y.

(47:01):
Do some research it's actuallyXYY, there's XXY, so there are
different combinations of thatparticular gene.
That gives some scientificcredence for why these people
feel.
Why is it such a struggle?
I myself grew up as a veryemotional passionate.
Have you figured that one out?
I myself grew up as a veryemotional passionate.

(47:22):
Have you figured that one outkid that had balls whipped at my
head when we would playbombardment by one kid in
particular that just didn't likeme because I guess I was too
whatever.
And he would throw balls at myhead from like three feet away
and yell faggot.
Not a nice word, I know.
Sorry, but that's what he said,and you know so, loving thy

(47:43):
Lord, thy God, love yourneighbor, man.
If we would get that right,church, if we would get that
right, think of how differentthe world would be, because we
would be just letting the chaffburn away and focus on the real
fruits of what we ought to bedoing.
And I'm not blind enough tothink that Christianity is the

(48:07):
way that everybody has to go.
I just want people to love oneanother, beloved.
Let us love one another foreveryone that loves.
Everyone that loves, knows Godand is born of God.
So I keep coming for that, evenwith all those Buddhists and
those you know, Confucianistsand Muslims.
Hey, I have met some of themost loving, wonderful people,

(48:28):
friends that are Muslim beliefsystem, okay, religion that I
would walk through fire forthose folks because they're so
loving and compassionate and sogiving.
You're going to be the judgethat sits back and says that
yeah, they're not getting toheaven because you said I am the
way and the truth and the life.
No one comes to God but throughme.

(48:50):
Well, how do you know that I amas in God, the Father, who is
merciful and would have, that noone would perish but that
everyone would have everlastinglife?
How do you reconcile that withyour judgment that says I'm the
one keeping the register hereand I'm telling you you ain't

(49:12):
worth my time, boy, because youis a Muslim.
I'm sorry, dude, we need totalk because that is not the God
of love.
I'm sorry, dude, we need totalk because that is not the God
of love, that is not the Godthat Jesus was incarnate, as
that is not how he operates.

(49:33):
He came, jesus came.
So all of that Old Testamentjudgment and stoning people
because they ate meat, whatever,that they violated one of the
dietary rules of Jewish law Allof that stuff was kind of put
aside when Jesus came.
And what is his ministry?
Even Gandhi said I love theirChrist, I would follow their

(49:54):
Christ.
I'm not so sure about theChristians.
I'm paraphrasing, but his takeon it was jesus aha, thumbs up
christians, not so much you knowso we're running out of time,
man, I'm sorry, I'm just goingon and on.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
So no, no, man, this is, this is, this is a great and
excellent you know, of course,again, man, you know, when you
talked about those uh, twocommandments that the lord gave
us, uh, love that god with allthat heart, mind, soul and
strength, and then love thatneighbor as thyself.
Now, again, when we starttalking about loving thy
neighbor as thyself, we have totake that first piece, because a
lot of people just don't lovethemselves, man, and it reflects

(50:32):
in their behavior.
Whatever a man thinks of in hisheart, so is he in his behavior
.
And some of us in society, withall the sensationalism of
materialistic things, and it'slike the world is teaching
people to hate themselves.
Man, if you don't meet thiscertain criteria, you don't fit

(50:54):
in.
If you don't, if you think thisway, you don't fit in, or you
don't look this way, you know,or, even worse, exactly, and
that's why I say, man, thecountry has fallen under this,
uh, really dark psychology ofmanipulation, blame, shifting,
gaslighting and all thosedifferent things, man, and but
we have to get back to that verything loving ourselves.

(51:14):
You know, of course we.
You know even the very firstthing, that god, you know, know
when Jesus says love thy Godwith all thy heart, mind, soul
and strength.
We can't even love God unlesswe receive his love first.
When we can receive that we areloved by Jesus, then we can
love God back, because we can'tlove unless we've been

(51:35):
influenced by his love.
That's the first thing, becausethat's where a lot of us fall
short.
We don't know the enemy ofbeing your ear with all kind of
things.
Hey, uh, you did this, youthought that you did this, you
thought that.
So that means you're notchristian.
You you're, you're, you livethis way, you do this thing.
You're not christian.
But the thing is, god loves us,jesus loves us, and that's what

(51:55):
we have to get to the point of,uh, really getting that first.
That is the first hurdle, uh,that I'm in in in our ministry
when I'm talking to people bootson the ground, they feel alone,
they don't feel loved.
They've been to churches.
They'd be like, hey, I tried,uh, I tried going to church, I
tried religion.
It didn't work.
And I'm I have to say, hey, didyou go to church for this

(52:17):
sensationalism?
Did you go to church because,uh, this certain group of family
and friends went to this church?
Or did you go to church becauseof this, certain group of
family and friends went to thischurch.
Or did you go to see Jesus?
Did you go to meet himpersonally?
Did you go desiring andhungering for a relationship
with Jesus?
Because that's where we willfall short.
If we're going to church justto check the box, we got it
wrong.
We got to be going to see himand that's where a lot of us

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fall short, when we don'trealize that God loves us.
And then that allows the door tobe open for things like this,
like again, man, the SAVE Actman, it's targeted racism, man,
that's all it is.
Of course, this just reflectsthe history of voter suppression
.
It's almost like a voter taxbecause, again, all the
documentation and all the hoopsyou got to go through to get the

(53:04):
necessary documentation, yougot to pay money to get all
these different things, it'sjust, it's a voter.
It's a voter tax man.
And also the discriminationfactor of it man, it just, it's
just real.
And again, this is just one ofthose many surface things that's
going on, amen, but there areso many effects underneath and

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they affect us all so thinkabout it right.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Think about what you can do.
Let's anticipate god help us,but let's anticipate that this
thing does become law.
Yes, start strategizing, youknow?
Don't, don't wait for it happen, don't be reactive be proactive
.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
That's why, that's where the my answer.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
You know the marches and stuff are proactive, right.
So yes, but it's.
They're also reactive.
They wouldn't be happening ifit wasn't for stuff that he's
doing.
So strategy what?
And there are better minds thanmine that can figure out how to
do these things, but we've gotto figure out first what's our
agenda, what are we willing togo to the mat for?

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Be on one accord.
There you go, man.
You hit it on the head, man, soanyway we've got to wrap this
up, dude.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
You've got DoorDash, and I do, and I've got a family
that wants to go out for Easterbrunch with not only tomorrow,
but, and I got a family thatwants to go out for Easter
brunch with not only tomorrow,but we got to do an Easter thing
today too.
Goodness sakes, we'recelebrating this thing all
weekend long.
Oh yeah, that kind of seemedappropriate, doesn't it?
Sorry, I couldn't help but joke.

(54:35):
We're going to be coming backto this, obviously in the next
few weeks.
We'll know if this passes ornot.
But really seriously, folks,let's stop being reactive.
Let's figure out a strategy,for how are we going to dig out
of this hole that is being dugfor us?
Because there's been so muchtalk about the financial impact

(54:55):
of tariffs.
Again, I think that's adistraction too, because if
we're going to not love the Lord, thy God, with all our heart,
all our mind too, because ifwe're going to not love the Lord
, thy God, with all our heart,all our mind, of course we're
going to be sidetracked by that.
If we're not going to love ourneighbor as we love ourselves,
we're going to be sidetracked byall of this Y'all.
And our trans can't be in themilitary and if you can't use

(55:18):
that, she them him.
Nonsense it's just yoursignature.
Now we get distracted by allthat stuff rather than just
saying you know what, dowhatever you want.
I'm taking my high road notonly in not getting caught up in
that nonsense and that crapthat's coming out of your
butthole, but I'm going to focuson things that are going to

(55:41):
unify.
Look at community things you cando.
Look at you know stuff you cando to embrace the people around
you and make them feel like thespace that you're in, wherever
that may be the neighborhood,the community, that it's a safe
place for everyone and that whenpeople come, as they will, to
try to make a stand of hatredand a stand of you know these

(56:03):
people are.
You know they're angry aboutall kinds of things and I I'm
not saying they're they don'thave legitimate anger and and
you know some of what they'refeeling.
But the reality is they've losttrack of the good that can be
done by just being loving andcompassionate and empathetic.
Because when, when push comesto shove, when we're in a bad

(56:24):
place, the people I remember themost are the ones that came to
our rescue, that helped, thatsaw, they didn't judge me, they
just helped.
So be thinking about that andwe'll talk more.
Right, dude, you're not goingto like not talk to me now?
Right, we're going to keeptalking.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Oh man, this is ongoing.
Man.
People need to be informed,people need to be healed, they
need to be made whole, they needto be educated, they need to
know that there's people outhere that's going to show
empathy and compassion througheducation and understanding man.
So just the wheel's going tokeep turning.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
So if you've got something you want to add to the
discussion wwwforsauk, that'sF-O-R-S-A-U-Kcom We'd love to
hear from you, even if you'reangry about stuff.
But, you know, just share it ina way that we can understand
what really is coming at andthen be willing to discuss where
you may be right.
I'm willing to admit whenpeople are right on.

(57:20):
Dead on, we did need to dosomething to cut back federal
expense.
I'm all for that.
My biggest problem with it is Iwork in computers.
I know that when you've gotcomplex systems, you don't go at
them with a hacksaw.
You go at them first byunderstanding exactly where the
things are problematic and thenunderstanding what's the best
way to pare it down, because Ican't just rip circuit boards

(57:42):
out of computers if they're not.
You know, working with the, youknow the right program, the
right way.
I got to figure out where thatproblem is and then figure out
do I have a device driver issue?
Do I have a problem with?
You know calls that are beingmade to the registry?
Do I have a problem with apatch that needs to be applied?
I mean there's a lot morecomplexity to this situation

(58:03):
than there is to the computersthat I deal with on a daily
basis, but I'm Raul Rush and youcan disagree with me as much as
you want on wwwforsaukcom.
I'm more than happy to admitwhen I'm wrong and I hope that
you'll be willing to do the same.
Or just say hey, good job, guys, appreciate it Right.

(58:24):
And who are you again, sir?
I keep forgetting it's one homeand senior.
Oh yeah, okay, you're probablygoing to say will you stop
asking me that?
But I don't know how to saydude, you know whatever.
Maybe we have to come up with awhere it's like I'm Ronald
Rudge and I'm Anton.
You know, we'll just get usedto that kind of thing and we'll
figure it out.
Yeah, we'll figure it outsomewhere along the line.
So thanks for joining us.

(58:45):
Folks Really appreciate yourtime and, you know, tell your
friends, tell your family, tellyour chickens, tell your dogs,
tell whoever you need to tell totune in and listen, please, and
think about the things we'retalking about.
Okay, right, right, dude, allright man.
All right man, take care.
Folks Talk to you in a coupleweeks.
We're on a biweekly schedulenow, so we want to give you some

(59:08):
time in between to decompress.
Okay, take care y'all.
Oh, sorry, I did not mean to dothat, dude.
I hit the wrong button.
I did not mean to do that, dude.

(59:44):
I hit the wrong button.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cutyou off like that, but happy
Easter.
I wanted to say happy Easterand hope you guys have a
fantastic time celebrating thathe is risen.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
So,