May 31, 2024 • 57 mins
When my brother Antowan Hallman Sr. and I began to peel back the layers of our faith, we encountered prayer in a way that was anything but expected. Join us as we navigate the profound shifts from our Catholic upbringing to an evangelical faith that thrums with the pulse of the Holy Spirit's work. This episode isn't just a conversation; it's an invitation to witness how prayer can dramatically shape one's personal journey and the world at large.
The fervor of our prayers often reveals the true state of our hearts, and in this discussion, we confront the realities of how our spiritual lives can intersect with the political landscape. Through a candid dialogue, we examine the need for repentance, the allure of deception, and the critical role of discernment in these turbulent times. As we sift through current events and our own experiences, we challenge you, our listeners, to consider whether your actions and petitions are truly rooted in God's will.
To cap off our exploration, we delve into discipleship's transformative power and the stark importance of grounding ourselves in biblical truth. Sharing personal stories of spiritual awakening, we highlight the enduring influence of mentors like Dawson Troutman and the necessity of generational guidance in the faith. As we pose the ultimate question of Jesus' identity, we invite you to ponder His place in your life with fresh eyes and a heart open to revelation. This isn't just another episode; it's a threshold where personal decisions can lead to eternal consequences.
Thanks for listening. Please check out our website at www.forsauk.com to hear great conversations on topics that need to be talked about. In these times of intense polarization we all need to find time to expand our Frame of Reference.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
let's have it well, here we are.
Here we are, folks we've, uh,we're in part two.
This is part two, I believe, ofour series which may very well
take us through the summer, theway things are going, maybe
right up to election day.
But, talking about the state ofour nation, and you know, the
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president gives a State of theUnion address every year, which
is, you know, politicallymotivated, and you know, kind of
a report card, if you will.
And my brother, antoine HallmanSr, oh, and, by the way, I'm
Raul LaBrush, if you forgot, andyou are sir Antoine Hallman Sr.
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Okay, so it's hard to get usconfused.
We want you to understand, hearthe difference in our voices.
So, and if you, if I ever getaround to getting the visual
part of this on, you'll reallybe able to see the difference
here.
Although he is much right, thefirst thing you're going to see
is that he is so much morehandsome than I am.
So maybe you want to like coverpart of your screen or
something.
That'd be fine too.
I won't be offended, it reallywon't so, but anyways, we were
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talking, we have, but anyways,we were talking, we have kind of
a limited time to talk heretoday, but we'll see how things
go, because we were praying, andas we're praying, not only was
I thinking about the power ofprayer and I don't know those of
you that are listening, youknow where you are in that but
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I'll tell you, god has taught meso much about prayer over time.
You know, I was born a Catholic,raised in a Catholic church,
and prayer is very different.
In the Catholic church, youknow, there's the Hail Marys and
the Glory Bees and the OurFathers, which are, all you know
, good prayer.
All of them are based onScripture.
They're basically verbatim, youknow scriptural portions, but
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it and, and there is somethingabout that process of being
increasingly mindful of whatthose prayers are.
But there's also a very bigdanger of becoming rote, you
know, of just doing it, becausethis is, you know, like jumping
jacks or something, and so thatwas problematic for me.
And then I, you know, I, becamean evangelical, became a
charismatic evangelical, believethat the Pentecost was not just
something that happened, youknow, thousands of years ago,
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but that the Holy Spirit isstill here among us.
And those are the same thingsthat were evident in the Acts 2
church are evident today.
So prayer became much more of apersonal thing and you know,
becoming aware of things likespeaking in tongues and having a
prayer language.
And then you get to.
You know the modern times andone of the most eloquent ways of
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thinking of prayer I thoughtwas CS Lewis, who, back in the
50s, wrote that he was an ardentprayer and had become more and
more of a fervent prayer as hegot older and he came to realize
that prayer wasn't so muchabout what he could do by asking
God for things and trying toguide God towards things that
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would be helpful to him orthings that he wanted to see
happen, but prayer was moreabout him being changed by God
through prayer.
That connection with God wasabout moving closer to God and
by doing that, the changes thathappened in him were far more
important than the things thathe was asking of God.
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And that was so profound and someaningful to me that I thought
you know, that's exactly thathe's so onto something there.
And then the final thing wasyou can think of prayer as not
only a conversation with God anda conversation with his son,
but it's also a conversationwhere we come.
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We just talked about this rightbrother, that it's a prayer
that has basically three answers, you know.
So we're looking for.
Why doesn't God answer myprayers and we don't pray?
Because how could a God thatdoes you know let's these things
happen, possibly be there?
I get it.
I get all of those things aredifficult to come to grips with,
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but God answers three ways yes,no and wait.
Yes, no and wait.
So remember that when you'repraying, if you're in line with
what God wants, what's God'splan, what God's word reveals,
yes is probably always going tobe the answer.
If you're not in line, ifyou're just doing something
based on your own selfishdesires and your own, you know
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this would be best for me asdesires and your own, you know
this would be best for me.
You know you got to rememberthat God has the right to say no
and God is always moreinterested in our character than
God is interested in ourcircumstances.
Because we can look at I lookat my life.
I mean you, brother, have got,you know life stories that are
incredibly challenging, right,and we look back at those and at
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the time we sure as heck didn'twant to go through them.
I mean, horrible things happento people regularly and there's
a huge difference between thepeople that learn to accept that
.
I don't see the reason now.
I don't understand, I don'teven agree with it happening
right now, but I trust, I havefaith that there's something
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that's going to come of thisthat will be revealing in some
way to me or to people around meof God's true character and
God's love for me.
The old song by Sandy Patty ifyou can't see God's hand in
something, trust his heart, justtrust his heart.
And then the last point is wait.
And sometimes God just sayswait.
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Sometimes he doesn't answer,like why aren't you answering me
, god?
And it comes down to God sayingwait, and that to me is
evidence of God saying you'renot there yet.
You're not there for the answerto this.
And I use that as a way to lookat maybe, maybe, just maybe,
the results of this election arean opportunity for us to learn
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to wait.
Wait for the outcome, wait foryou know, if things happen the
way I don't want them to and youknow you hate me for it if
you're of that bent.
But I don't believe that Trumpis a man that will do good
things for us, but I alsobelieve that if he is God's tool
to accomplish God's ultimatepurpose, then he will become
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that tool.
He will be part of the plan andI have to be willing to accept
that and not run from it, but tosay, hey, you know, the
Israelites got brought out toBabylon and God used that for a
purpose.
Look at what happened as aresult of that Daniel and Daniel
in the lion's den and Daniel inthe furnace.
You know the stories that cameof that, the reality of Daniel's
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faith and the model of hisfaith that came out of that.
It's just phenomenal.
How could you not say that wasGod's plan right?
The things that we asChristians, as believers in the
word of God, became aware of andhave been blessed with knowing
as a result of that, arephenomenal.
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It's just so good.
So we're talking about prayertoday.
Folks Prayer in America, andhow is it that there are so many
people, men and women of Godthat are?
I don't know what their prayersare.
Personally, I don't know whatthey're praying for.
I don't know if they're prayingto the same God I pray to or
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what is going on.
But the evangelical church rightnow, when it can't find hardly
anyone that will stand up andsay like Paul Ryan just did our
Wisconsin US representative foryears and years and years, was
the Speaker of the House for arelatively short amount of time.
Even Paul Ryan said he will notbe voting for Trump because he
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believes the character is farmore important than policies,
essentially.
But where are the evangelicalleaders that are saying, mr
Trump, we're thankful for thingsthat you've done for the
company country, we feel thatyou were in line with things
that we believe in, but yourcharacter's got to.
You got to straighten up, man,you got to fly right, dude.
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You are so anti.
What we believe in, what we holdto be true, what we hold to be
self-evident in the Bible, thishas got to stop.
You got to stop it now.
Where are the gatekeepers?
Where are the people ofintegrity that will stand up and
say no, no, I demand betterleadership.
I, you know, I demand that theworld be led by leaders that are
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men of integrity, people ofintegrity.
We're not.
We're just failing and failingmiserably, and I don't get it.
We're just failing and failingmiserably and I don't get it.
So there I go, there at mydiatribe my, my soapbox is
complete for all you.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I'm just talking to you.
What do you think?
Well, when we talk about prayer, brother, you know it's going
to.
It starts with.
It's an internal, internalprocess first.
You know.
You know because, again, peopleknow.
You hear people say I'm praying, I'm praying, but this thing is
not coming to pass.
I'm praying, I'm praying, butthis thing is not coming to pass
.
You know it's not happening.
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I don't see it and it's like,well, we have to start looking
internally.
Well, we have to start lookinginternally.
You know, the God's word says ifwe read the Bible, boy, the
Bible tells us everythingpertaining to life.
You know, of course, like youknow, in Isaiah 59, right, he'll
say, you know, hey, but theLord's hand is not shortened,
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that he cannot save, nor is hisear heavy that he cannot hear.
But your iniquities haveseparated you from your God and
your sins have hidden his facefrom you so that he will not
hear.
Now you hit me, like on our inmy Sunday sermons.
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You hit me.
I was talking about keeping ourhearts in the right posture with
God, you know, and that's whereit starts internally.
You know, of course, it's likehe's not going to, he's not
going to bless the foolery ofour hearts.
You know.
And, of course, when we arepraying, someone I heard this
one pastor say, and it madetotal sense to me.
He was like when we pray, arewe asking for the same things
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that Jesus would ask for?
You know, when we talk aboutbeing in the center of his will,
right, you know it's like, arewe praying for things that Jesus
would ask for?
You know?
Would Jesus be praying for anew house, a new car, these
things, or would Jesus bepraying that people are saved?
You know that people aredelivered from sin, people are
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forgiven.
You know, what are we prayingfor?
You know, of course, but it'sjust an internal thing, because
God's word clearly says hey, Iknow, if our heart is not in the
right posture, he can't hear,he won't hear.
I mean, this is not pastAntoine saying it.
God's word said in Isaiah 59,one through three he said it
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that I will not hear because ofthe condition of your heart.
So it starts right there and so, and then, of course this is
the thing when people are nothearing from God or things are
not coming to pass, we tend toget frustrated.
Then, yes, this is a thegreatest, one of the biggest
tricks of the enemy.
He brings in doubt, he bringsin condemnation, he brings in
anger, he brings in all thesedifferent emotions that try to
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drive us away from God.
But no, what is it?
Oh, my goodness, I want to sayfirst Chronicles.
But anyway, it's like seek theLord and his strength, seek his
presence continually.
That what the scripture says.
And so it's like in our worsttimes, in our tough times, first
things first.
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Again, we have to repent.
John the Baptist came saying,hey, repent and be baptized.
Jesus said it himself repentand be baptized.
And so when we have a repentantheart and we can say you know
what I've been wrong, lord, Ican admit that I'm wrong, I can
confess my wrongs.
You know he is quick to forgiveand will heal our land, you
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know, and.
And.
But the thing is we're intoday's world where you can give
a person the truth, which isthe Bible.
The Bible is the only truth youknow.
You can say, hey, this is whatthe Bible says about the
situation.
You know, either they, the Holyspirit, is going to convict
them and they'll turn from whatthey were doing, or they will
just actually clamor up, getmore angry and double down on
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the lie they choose to believeand keep walking it out, and so
that's what we're starting tosee, and that's what I believe
that we're seeing in the countryright now.
Now you know, of course, whenwe're talking about, hey, this
man that's running for president, and you got a bunch of
Christian leaders lined upbehind him, which I, just for
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the life of me, I do notunderstand.
This man has not exhibited onefruit of the spirit, not one
love, joy, peace, kindness,nothing.
He has not exhibited one piece,but he is actually the epitome
of Proverbs 16 through 19 whenit says these six things the
Lord hate, and seven are anabomination to him.
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A proud look, a lying tongue,hands that shed innocent blood,
a heart that devise wicked plans, feet that are swift to run
into evil, a false witness whospeaks lies and one who spreads
the discord amongst the brethren.
He is the epitome of that, butyet a lot of Christians have
lined up behind him.
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Jesus said in his word thoughhey, in that day, many of God's
elect will be deceived.
And again, we were talking offus, off off microphone, and we
were talking Off microphone andwe were talking about this.
You know, a lot of people, evenGod select, will be deceived,
and we're seeing the Bible.
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The Bible is the only Book thathas fulfilled Prophecy.
You got all hey, no disrespectto Other religions, but not the
Quran, not Buddha's book, notHarry Krishna's book.
None of them has fulfilledprophecy.
The Bible is the only one.
And even as the New TestamentStarts to come into a prophetic
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Existence, we see it.
We see it clear as day.
And this is where, again, when,when we talk about prayer, it's
going to start with an internalthing.
Because remember David, whatdid he say after he got caught,
after he set up Uriah to bekilled?
And the prophet came to him andwas like, hey, this man did
this and that and the other.
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And David was like go get him,I'll do this and that.
And he's like it's you, andwhat did?
What was david's first response?
He ran into prayer.
Lord created, created me aclean heart, renew the right
spirit in me, take, cast me notout of your presence, take not
your holy spirit from me, and Iwill teach transgressors your
way.
He first acknowledged his own.
He.
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I mean a wholehearted repentancewhere not that 360 repentance,
where we start at the pointwe've we do the thing for a
little back to where we started,but that 180 turning away from
that thing completely and andand it takes effort, it takes
work, but it starts in prayer,starts internally, our
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individual relationships withgod.
You, you know, of course I liketo say, hey, what's in a
person's heart is between themand God, you know, and that's
where it's like so, it's likethat helps me not to take
offense, you know, because theBible tells us many in that day,
many will be offended.
It's just like we choose totake offense to things and of
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course we have to learn that.
Hey, you know, when we as menand women of God really start to
gather and believe and knowthat the infallible written word
of God is true and every issuepertaining to life is in this
word and we choose to, webelieve it with our whole heart
and then ask the Holy Spirit forguidance in this word.
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He'll direct our paths, in itand we'll be able to discern and
see.
We'll not only be able todiscern spirits, but we'll be
able to discern seasons.
You know, we will know whenthings just don't sound right.
You know, the Bible tells us I'mtrying to think Proverbs 25 or
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so.
It says it is to a king's honorto search out a matter, meaning
that we can't be the blind ledaround by the blind anymore.
We have to search out mattersfor ourselves.
We have to actually get word,and it's easier said than done.
You know, of course.
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You know there's like as apastor, I come to the
realization that some peopledon't know how to read at all.
Walk and start by giving yousome good, solid interpretation.
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That way you can eventually begin to get your own
revelation.
You've been quoting Proverbs somuch and you mentioned Proverbs
16.
I was looking at it speaks somuch to what's going on right
now.
Proverbs 16.12,.
It is an abomination for kingsto commit wicked acts, for a
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throne is established onrighteousness, so we're watching
the Stormy.
You know what is Stormy's lastname?
Richards, yes, Daniels.
Thank you, daniels.
Thank you, daniels.
Storm Daniels talking about herencounter, so lewd and livid
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that the judge had to say maybeyou shared a little too much
there, but anyways, sounds likean abomination to me, especially
given the fact that the man wasmarried and you know, saying
that the crime is that he wastrying to use hush money to keep
his chances from, you know,losing the election.
And his defense to that is no,he was trying to keep it quiet
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to protect his wife.
Well, yeah, hello, either way,the act is an abomination.
Hello, church, hello, that'syour defense, right?
Oh well, I was really justtrying to protect my wife.
Oh, great, so you're a liar andyou're, uh, you know somebody
trying to do something not sogood and then the bible's what.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
The bible doesn't say this, but it was a old uh
saying uh, it's like hey, if youlie, you steal yeah, well, and
then go a bit further.
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and in 1618, pride goes before destruction and a
haughty spirit before stumbling.
It is better to be humble inspirit with the lowly than to
divide the spoil with the proud.
He who gives attention to theword will find good, and blessed
is he who trusts in the Lord.
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So I look at that and think youknow part of where we went
wrong, and this is part of TimAlberta's book talking about how
we started in his mind.
Where it really has gotten badin the evangelical church is
that we somewhere along the linegot the idea that America and
strong American leaders is moreimportant than Christ and what
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Christ leads us to do.
And the argument and the thingthat I've been compelling my
Christian friends to do is tosay why in the world are you
aligning yourself with Trump orBiden to the expense of aligning
yourself with Jesus?
Because if you will alignyourself and it's honestly one
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of the biggest problems thatanti-Christians have,
non-christians have withChristians, just like Gandhi.
Gandhi once said I would be aChristian myself were it not for
Christians you know what kindof indictment is that to us as
Christians, we have been thepoorest representations of
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Christ.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
You know, like when we're talking, trying to
disciple people, or we're tryingto share the gospel with people
, yeah, people are like whywould I serve that God?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
At that scene.
They got Jesus signs on theCapitol.
No, that was not of God's heart.
You know, to do what was done?
No, absolutely not.
And you know, and again, it'sjust when it comes to the church
itself, when it comes because Ihate.
Well, it is what it is thechurch is.
Race is a dividing factor.
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Race is a dividing factor.
You know, of course, peoplehave chosen to believe a
different doctrine than what theBible says.
You know, people are.
You know, I heard this onepastor say we must fight and
continuously work and strive tolive by biblical principle
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versus personal preference.
But now we're starting to seein the church, personal
preference.
You know, of course, and youmix a little bit of poison in
there about oh, you're no, uh,there's an anti, there's an
anti-white sentiment in thecountry because, uh, I guess
trump did a uh time magazine, uharticle where he said uh, there
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is an anti-white settlement inthe country which pours fire on
something that probably is not.
Well, it is, let's just saythat it is, but it pours fire on
it.
But also, it's again, it'sspreading a lie.
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Right.
Well, look at what's happeningwith Tim Scott.
Right Governor Tim Scott comingout, being chosen potentially
as Trump's running mate, RightFor vice president, and he gets
asked after Trump makes astatement about how you know,
will you accept the the electionif you don't?
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win the results.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Oh, you know, will you accept the results?
And he's like, well, I believeeverything has been done
correctly and everything hasbeen done honestly and I won't
have any blah, blah, blahproblem with that whatsoever.
And but he would never answerthe question of will you accept
if you don't win?
He is not willing to acceptDouble down on that Right, right
If that if that would happen,if he doesn't win, he's already
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giving triggers, cues, to sayyou know there are people will
have to rise up or else they'regoing to lose their country.
So we know.
That was the same language, thesame metaphor that was being
used during January 6th.
Well, now, so Tim Scott getsyou know.
Questioned about the same thing, Would you be willing to accept
if Trump doesn't win?
And his response was not yes orno, His response was well, when
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President Trump wins.
And it kept, I mean like threetimes asked him but will you?
Will you, will you accept if hedoesn't win?
Well, when president trump wins?
And you're like what is goingon and you think about the, the
visuals of that right that if,if tim scott becomes his vice
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presidential running bait, Iwould not be, surprised.
I would not be surprised ifTrump would do that purely to
say, see, I'm not a racist, see,I'm not.
And that will become some sortof plank for him.
It's just, it's so, so likewicked in so many ways.
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I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I don't get how.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Tim Scott can even be there and say that I just don't
get it.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, you know, it's just like in the black community
, you know, we have this sayinghey, skin folk ain't kin folk.
You know what I mean.
And just because you're abrother, you're not a brother,
you know.
And it's like because you goagainst the very things that's
going against us.
You, you know, and it's likebecause you go against the very
things that's going against us,you know, like we're talking
about voter suppression, voterintimidation.
He is actually preaching thesethings on because we got to
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remember I think we totallybrushed over something that
Trump said.
He said that if he doesn't win,there is going to be a
bloodbath, and I don't thinkanyone paid attention to that.
That I don't want to say itscares me, but it's like that is
a that after what we saw onJanuary 6th, he, he gave them
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marching orders.
Now, I'm not a big MichaelCohen guy and thing, but he kind
of gave us.
He, like Donald Trump talks incode and when he says something,
you know you take it at hisword.
And when he says, if he doesn'twin, there's going to be a
bloodbath, that's suppression,intimidation at its face value,
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and I think, regardless of theparty that you represent vote
for, and things like that.
We really have to take thatinto heart, because a person can
say, hey, I'm a diehardrepublican and still vote for
trump and that, and even thoughyou can say, I'm a diehard
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republican, I don't like what hesaid, but I'm gonna vote for
him because he's a republican.
Now there has been a few peoplethat has said with their mouth
oh, I'm not voting for himbecause of this, that and the
and the other, but only onethat's in that booth when they
vote is them, that piece ofpaper and God.
So you know that's.
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This is where, again, prayer,god's word, is coming to light
and we have to hear it, and thethings that we are seeing come
out of the church today.
It shouldn't be discouraging.
It's been prophesied.
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So all we could do is pray.
All we can continue to do asindividuals, as churches, as
communities, is continuously gobefore the Lord.
Lord, create in me a cleanheart, renew the right spirit in
me, take this heart of stoneout of me, give me a heart of
flesh, sprinkle me clean withwater.
Lord, just make sure that myheart is in the right standing
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with you and, of course, andwhen we do that, god will answer
, he will hear and, yes, he'llshow us things about ourselves
that we don't like.
You know, I don't know how manytimes the Lord showed me
something so ugly about me.
I'm like, oh, I, it's like wedon't think about these things
until it's revealed.
And then it's like, lord, Irepent of that whole way of
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thinking.
My whole thought processpertaining to that matter was
wrong, and but we have to bestrong enough to say know what I
?
I'm gonna turn that around.
And remember I quoted, uh, thenew badger football coach, luke
fickle, when he said, uh, changeis inevitable, but growth is
optional.
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Yeah, and yes, and because,yeah, change, and this is why
where people, where the, thegrowth part doesn't take place,
because change it brings aboutpain, like this new offense that
the badgers are running.
I don't know how I feel aboutit yet, but you know, but it's
just.
But that change brings pain andchange is pain, you know, and
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with growth is going to is goingto be some pain in the growth
process.
Meaning we have to acknowledgesome things about ourselves that
we have to say, man, I waswrong.
And as a pastor that's, I'mconstantly before the Lord
saying, wow, lord, thank you forshowing me that, thank you for
showing me that.
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And that's where, hopefully,again, the sad part is I'm just
going to say it.
You know, a lot of the churchhas fallen under a demonic spell
.
There's a demonic spirit withinthe church right now, because,
if you saying that now, becauseif you're saying that, uh, that
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presidential candidate is a manof god and he is christ the
second coming and you believethat?
uh, let's look at matthew he whohas eyes to hear, eyes to see,
let him see.
Who has ears to hear, let themhear.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
And my goodness, Gospel of Matthew 24, 22.
Unless those days had been cutshort, no life would have been
saved.
But for the sake of the elect,those days will be cut short.
Then, if anyone says to you,behold, here is the Christ, or
there he is, do not believe him,For false Christs and false
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prophets will arise and willshow great signs and wonders so
as to mislead, if possible, eventhe elect.
I'll tell you, brother, I havebeen praying please, God, Lord,
please, make me the if possible,Make me the if possible, that
don't, Because that phrase ifpossible, the elect would be
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deceived.
That tells me that it'spossible to not be deceived, and
I want to be believed, I wantto be the elect that he cuts the
day short for, Because thoseare the people that are striving
.
I'm not a pre-tribulationistChristian.
I believe the tribulation issomething that we're going to go
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through.
True believers are going to gothrough it, Because if we don't
go through it, there's nobodythere to keep providing the way
out, Like you know, and the wordsays, God is not willing that
any should perish, but that allshould have everlasting life.
Well, I don't see how therewill be any hope for any of
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those people left behind ifwe're pre-tribulationist, if
we're gone before thetribulation occurs, so that
being one thing, but can I be,please Lord, please Lord, can I
be one that retains faith andsays, okay, even though this is
awful, even though it isapparent plainly to me that this
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man is an antichrist?
But he's even called, withinthe House of Representatives,
when they've been called asRepublicans, to vote in ways
because Trump is saying this isthe way you need to vote as
Republicans, to vote in waysbecause Trump is saying this is
the way you need to vote.
The thing when they were beingasked to.
You know, contain him, impeachhim, you know.
And they had to turn away fromthat and say we're not going to
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impeach him.
One of the senators I wish Icould remember who it was said
boy, the things that we have todo for the orange Jesus.
Look that up, the orange Jesus.
I mean.
How much more blatant, how muchmore like in your face, hello,
do you have to be in order toget that?
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That's how he's being seen.
He is, you know, the prophet.
He is the people saying youknow, I wouldn't mind having him
as king.
Well, who's supposed to be ourking in a Christian's life?
Who's on the throne in ourlives.
I mean, if you keep praying,Lord, make you the only person
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on my throne.
I challenge anyone who isthinking that Trump is the way
to go.
I challenge you just startpraying, Lord.
Help me.
Help me in my disbelief.
Help me to put you and youalone on the throne of my life.
Help me to do that today, nomatter what I see, no matter
what I hear, no matter what Ibelieve right now.
Help me to put you and youalone on the throne of my life.
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What would happen?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I've got to believe that's where love would start to
abound, because you know whatwe have done.
We have kicked Jesus off thethrone and put ourselves there
and begin to judge uh people andthings like that put America on
the throne, america's on thethrone now, that's, that's
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Alberta's point right, we're,we're worshiping.
America, yep, and we are to loveand not judge.
And you know, and it's likewhen it's just one of those
things that we pray for atFaithWorks Ministries, like Lord
, open the eyes of your people,lord, touch the hearts of your
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people, help them to see, helpthem to turn from their wicked
ways, lord, god, help them tosee, help them to turn from
their wicked ways, lord, god,help them to see what it is,
because you got highly educatedpeople, highly educated, smart
people, but they follow this manevery word.
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One of the people that used toattend our church, you know they
, they basically sold theirhouse, and gay and bought it and
built a smaller house to givehim money.
And for the life of me, I justdon't get it.
And but however, I understand,I read the Bible and I know that
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this gentleman, well, this man,Is an agent Of the Antichrist,
because, again, he's going tobring about all the Hate and
confusion and all the violenceand all these different things,
and then there, the Antichristis one that's going to Try to
bring this universal peace.
And there it is, you know.
And so we have to just Be ableto again Discern the seasons, we
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have to be able to see whatseason we're in spiritually.
Pastor John Hannah.
He says Everything is spiritual.
You have to look at it from akingdom lens.
We have to take off the worldlens and put on Our spiritual
lens and we have To pray.
We have to pray and, of course,what the Bible says, the
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affected fervent prayer of therighteous availeth much.
And of course it said, of therighteous you know, and of
course, those of us that havereceived Jesus and we had said
you know what, not only do Idesire relationship, jesus, but
I will abide in you, as in John15, one through eight.
You know, I will abide.
You are the true vine, I am thebranch, you are the source of
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life.
Everything, every good thingcomes from you.
I believe and trust you, lord,and it's like even the word,
even the Bible, parts of theBible, that I don't fully
understand, that you have notgiven me revelation on.
I believe you, but what isPsalm 119, 160,?
He says the entirety of my wordis true and my righteous
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judgments endures forever.
But also later on in Psalms hesays unbalanced scales are an
abomination to the Lord.
And so we see all theseunbalanced scales.
You know we're talking aboutdiversity, equity and inclusion.
We're talking about all these,you know, just these systemic
and systematic disadvantagesthat have been etched in stone
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in place in various institutions, and even we see the things
that are happening now.
This group of lawyers, theconservative there are so many
of these little societies thatthe world just don't even know
about, or some don't even knowabout that are just continuously
fighting to take away rights ofpeople.
I can't remember what show Iwas watching and I can't even
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remember the lawyer's name, butI want to say it's the
conservative society.
But these guys are continuouslyon the steps of the Supreme
Court fighting everything thatrelates to giving people of
color an upper hand, like justrecently, a thing where it was
like because they're holleringreverse racism now because it
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was an organization trying togive grants to Black women to
help them build businesses.
That's racist, is what theysaid, and the Supreme Court has
put a halt on theirorganizational uh operations
until this thing can be appealedand all this and that other
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kind of stuff there.
But again we see the unbalancedscales, uh, right before our
very eyes, and the thing is wecan no longer sit silent and and
and let the enemy have thecountry, the world, we, the
world is waiting for themanifestation of the sons of God
Right, and so, us being thesons of God, right, and so us
being the sons of God, the Biblesays blessed are the
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peacemakers, for they shall becalled the sons of God.
So when we are talking aboutpeace, because peace oh, I'm
going to preach on this a littlelater, actually I'm going to
preach on it at the Juneteenthcelebration, wednesday, june
19th, at Oxnard Park.
But it's like the Bible tellsus, for such as is up to you,
live peaceably with all men.
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And, of course, when we talkabout peace, peace goes way
beyond just that, oh, it's adowntime between wars, or it's a
mellow feeling.
Peace goes a lot deeper withthat because, again, peace
equals love.
And I'm going to put it alltogether on that sermon.
I'm not going to give it allaway now, but again, because
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when Isaiah prophesied it,isaiah, I want to say it's
Isaiah 9.
He was, like you know, a childwill be born, his name will be
called Wonderful Counselor,mighty God, prince of Peace.
And so when we say, hey, youknow, the Prince of Peace, god
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is love.
The world is waiting for themanifestation of the sons of God
.
The world is waiting to beloved on, to be loved on the
right way, to be loved onwithout judgment, to be loved on
without stipulation or withoutthe need for something to be
done in turn.
Because what is?
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Because a lot of people, whenwe talk about love, no love.
People think love is an emotion, like it's like an oven.
I'm a turn.
I like you today, so I'm goingto go to 500 degrees, or I don't
like it today, so I'm gonna goback down to 200.
Love is not an emotion.
Love is a choice we choose tolove and love has to be
demonstrated in action.
You know, we choose to love ourwives, right?
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That's why the Bible says nolove your wives as Christ.
So love the church.
You know, because we have tochoose to do it.
You know, because we have tochoose to do it, like, when we
choose to love Christ, he comesinto our heart by way of the
Holy Spirit and gives usguidance in these matters.
And that's where we have to getpeople, to get them back to the
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Bible.
Because people are sitting inchurches, they're going to slide
off that church right intoH-E-L-L because of the condition
of their heart.
You know, you know, and that'swhere we have to get back to the
Bible teaching.
We have to get back to peoplereading their Bibles on their
own to get this thing, because,again, when people are going off
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on things that they've heard,you know, and of course we got
this herd mentality, you know,it's like OK, you believe it, I
believe it, let's go and do this.
And it's like, again, like Isaid in the beginning of this,
it is Proverbs 25.
I want to say it is.
It is to a king's honor tosearch out a matter, meaning to
research it for yourself, getthe truth about it.
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What does the Bible say aboutit?
And when we can get to thatpoint, that's when we can start
to really crack this spirit ofhate that's over the nation and
actually trying to quicklyovercome the world.
The Bible says Satan is theprince of the power of the air
right now, but you know he willbe defeated.
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We have to.
When we can trust, believe andknow that he is a defeated foe,
we can actually start to operateTruly in the power that has
been given us.
And that's where, again, butthat power, faith, come by
hearing, and hearing by the wordof God, and so we can get back
into this word Get back and justget back.
Get back into this word getback and just get back.
Get back to Jesus.
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You know, because a lot ofpeople you know they go to
church, they go for thecharismatic pastor, they go
because their friends and familygo, but are they going to see
Jesus?
And that's what we got to getback to go to see Jesus.
Come to Jesus, come to me.
All you are burdened and heavyladen and I will give you rest
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and uh, that's, you know, uh,that's what we pray for, brother
, just a hearts to be changed.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
I've been thinking, as you're talking about prayer
and I, it struck me that prayeris kind of a story.
You know, prayers is not.
Prayer is a story of bothwhat's going on in our lives and
the story that we would want tobe told about our lives.
You know that this thinghappened and I prayed to God and
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then this happened and it waswonderful.
We want a story with a happyending, you know.
So when you're praying, you knowwhat if we asked ourselves, who
are we praying for?
Because the elements of a storyare to answer like five
questions who, what, where, whenand how.
If you answer those things,you've got the elements of what
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people look for in a story.
So, who?
Who are you praying for?
Who are you praying to?
And that's why I love thatyou're talking about prayer
coming from the word of God,because if you're praying from
the word of God, that prettymuch nails down who you're
praying to?
Because if it aligns itselfwith the word of God, then you
can know that it's coming fromthe word the mouth of God.
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Right from the word, the mouthof God, right.
What are you praying for?
You know what really is at thecore.
Are we praying right now forAmerica, because if we're
praying for America reallyseriously, why are we not
praying for the kingdom of God?
The Lord's will be done, OurFather who art in heaven,
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hallowed.
Be thy name, thy kingdom come.
Thy kingdom, come, thy will bedone.
You know it doesn't say anythingabout praying for America, and
you can call me an anti-patriotif you want, but I love this
country as much as anyone canlove a country, but I love it as
a country.
I don't love it as the Lord andthe idol of my life.
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So who, who, what?
Where are you praying?
Where are you at in your life?
You know, where am I at in mylife?
Am I at a point where I'mfeeling sorry for myself?
Am I on pity street?
Am I on, you know?
Oh, I wish this wasn'thappening street.
Am I, you know, on doubt street?
Am I on, you know?
Oh, I wish this wasn'thappening street.
Am I, you know, on doubt street?
Am I on angry street?
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You know where am I?
Because there are places that wecan be in that will affect our
prayer and affect what we'repraying for and who we're
praying to.
Right, and then the when.
You know, I find it interesting.
Who is it that talks about?
You know we're tragedyChristians.
We're tragedy prayers.
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You know so, when things gettough, it drives people to their
knees.
You know you're in the middleof a battle soldiers oftentimes.
You know, foxhole Christians.
Right, the bullets are whizzingby, the bombs are blowing off
around them and they're on theirknees going please, god, get me
through this, please, god.
Those are effectual, ferventprayers.
I can tell you that.
So, because they're at thatpoint.
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So where are you?
Are you at a point where you'rejust feeling so driven that you
know if there's a God?
I'm hedging my bets here, god,I'm just hedging my bets here
that if you're out there, I needyou now.
Okay, so I need, if you don'tmind.
And then, how are we praying?
Is probably, maybe is the mostimportant thing with what's
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going on right now is how are wepraying?
How?
I'll challenge anyoneevangelical.
You've got a MDiv, whatever youhave.
Okay, I challenge you.
I know I'm not.
I don't have an mdiv, I havenot studied theology, I've not
studied eschatology, I don'thave all those learned things.
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I'm matthew, okay I'm.
I'm a fisherman.
I'm I'm peter, okay, I'm.
I am that level.
And I will remind you all thatthose are the people that Jesus
chose as apostles.
He didn't have a seminary.
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In fact, the people that weregoing through seminarial studies
at that day and age were thepeople he fought against
regularly.
So let's get that straight yourdegrees are not what answers
who you are as a Christ follower.
That's not it.
And if you can't admit that,then you know pride comes before
a big fall.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
That's a great point, brother, you know, of course
I've been in the presence ofpeople that can, you know?
Basically, get the Biblememorized from front to back but
not have the Holy Spirit.
And that's what we need to livein this world.
That's what we need toreplicate the image and culture
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of Jesus.
You know, that's what we need,the Holy Spirit.
We need the guidance of theHoly Spirit to teach us these
things, to bring these things tomemories, to pray for us,
because when we don't know howto pray, as we ought to know how
to pray, the Holy Spirit makesintercession for us.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
You know, and that's where the Bible is not a tool to
beat people down.
The Bible is a tool to liftpeople up Right.
So if you're going to, use theBible as a you know something to
just beat people, to say youare living against God and, you
know, be a righteous person inlaw, boy.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
You know, which is how I see a lot of preachers
using it, you know, and that'swhere exactly, and that's where,
again, like when the HolySpirit is praying for us, and
intercession for us.
And again, the parts of prayer,you know, of course.
You know we give adoration toGod, we confess our sins, we
thank God and we givesupplication, right, we pray,
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and you know, and it's like, andthen the other part of that is
listening.
You know we have to sit silentand listen.
You know for what instructionsthe Lord has for us next or what
he is trying to show us.
Because, again, you know, I'm afirm believer that God speaks
to all of us and a lot of usdon't like what we hear.
And, again, you can eitheraccept the correction from God,
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you can accept the correction oryou can try and tune it out and
just double down on the liethat you believe.
Because one of my favoritechapters in the Bible I've said
this numerous times John,chapter eight.
You know, of course, uh, youknow he had, uh, just uh,
forgiven the adulterous woman.
Then, of course, uh, theyconfront him.
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We are children of Abraham.
He was like Abraham is ourfather.
It was like Abraham is yourfather.
You would know God and youwould know me, and it and it,
just it.
He just basically ripped fromthe shreds.
And I love that.
Uh, I love that chapter andlove that.
I love that chapter and butthat's where we are.
You know, we people, you knowwe Honor God with our lips but
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our hearts are far from him andwe just have to, and we have to
get our hearts towards Jesus.
We have to get back to that andof course it's going to take
some hard things from all of usto when God shows us us we
either going to change or we'regoing to double down on the lie,
and that's we have free will todo so.
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But again, I just choose tobelieve the Bible and, like you
were saying, I'm no theologian,I don't have any degrees in
ministry.
I just when the pastor said,hey, the Lord said, or no,
ordain you into your pastorate.
I'm like, no, I don't want to.
I see what you go through.
I don't want to do this.
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But if it's God's call, so beit.
And all you can do is just sayLord, equip me to do this,
because I can't do this in myflesh.
Antoine Hallman can't do this.
I need your spirit, I need yourHoly Spirit to do this for me.
You know, like that Solomonprayer.
Lord, teach me how to go in andout amongst your people, teach
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me how to judge your peoplecorrectly.
I don't want, I don't know howto do this.
I need you to help me do this.
And but again, it just it's aninternal thing, because here's
the thing, you know, and Ipreached on this a few times
it's like we have to take offthe immediate glasses and put on
the eternal glasses.
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You know, we tend to fight andwrestle and run towards the
immediate things house, car, oldclothes, this and that and the
other but are we really worriedabout our soul?
Do we know?
You know because, okay, lord,you know, because a lot of
people in the world, they seemto think, oh, if I just do, okay
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by people, if I just, you know,I'm nice to people, I do this
and that and the other, I'll beokay.
Jesus said I am the way, thetruth and the life.
The only way is through me.
And so we have to exhibit hisculture, manifest his nature,
that people will be saved,because people ain't going to
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read their Bibles, they're goingto read you.
And like you were sayingearlier, man, you made a great
point, brother, about you know,it's hard to get.
It's hard to decide.
I don't want to say it's hardto disciple, but people are
saying, hey, like you mentioned,gandhi is like I'd be a
Christian if it wasn't for theChristians, and that's how we're
being looked at even presentday.
And so there's a remnant.
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There's a remnant that's goingto stay faithful.
That's going to stay faithfuland I just pray that I'm a part
of that remnant and that I willcontinuously preach and teach
the word of God in its entiretyand in total truth.
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And I guess one of the thingsabout myself I've in the last
let's see, this is 2024.
This is 2024.
Well, since 2011, I've beentelling the total Truth about
myself and everything I hear andsee, and it's almost like
telling the truth To a fault.
But I'll say this I feel sofree because I can tell the
truth that way and I ain't gotto remember a lie.
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And I'll tell the truthRegardless of the consequence to
myself, because, again, it'sjust remember a lie.
And I'll tell the truthregardless of the consequence to
myself, because, again, it'sjust, uh, I just I'm, I'm, you
know, I'm free, I'm healed, I'mredeemed, I'm blessed.
I have to think back to whatJesus did on the cross to give
me life now.
And he died.
I was bought at a price.
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It's no longer I who live, butthe Christ that lives in me, in
the life that I now live, in theflesh.
I live by faith in him.
And what does Jesus want?
He wants souls saved, bottomline.
He wants every.
You know, god wants everyone toconfess Jesus Lord and will be
saved.
And so all of our activities inthe roundabout way, at end of
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the day it's about saving souls,and but not only just getting
souls saved but discipling themin the word that they may be
disciples for Jesus as well.
You know, there's a BillyGraham's.
I was in the discipleshiptraining and I did not know this
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gentleman.
It was a couple of blurbs onhim Dawson Troutman, the founder
of the Navigators.
I did not know that he was.
Billy Graham called on himBecause Billy Graham was like
hey, billy Graham Got thesestadiums packed full of people,
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Right, and people are confessingJesus Lord.
But he's like OK, dawson, howdo we keep these people in line?
You know, how do we?
How do we stay in touch withthem?
How do we keep discipling them?
And that's where DawsonTroutman came in.
And that's what you know canget people to confess Jesus, but
we also have to walk themthrough it.
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Then, of course, dawson Troutman, you know he was talking about
how you know, sometimes,discipleship, you know it may
happen in smaller groups.
Uh, that way, you, you raise upchildren and grandchildren.
Generational discipleship iswhat he called it as I parap,
paraphrase it generationaldiscipleship where you, as the
dad, you're going to raise upsome children, then your
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children are going to raise upsome children and their children
, and so on and so forth.
And we got this generationaldiscipleship going on.
And that's where we want to getback to.
We want to get back on trackwith that, know, as a country,
as a nation, as a world.
Uh, get back on that, you know.
And, um, because again, at thispoint, you know it's uh, not
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our will, but that will be doneon earth as it is in heaven,
because god's sole purpose, whathe wanted he was like, he
wanted the earth to replicateheaven.
He wanted heaven on earth iswhat he desires.
And, of course, how do we dothat?
By confessing his son is Lordand believing that he was raised
from the dead because of thisconfession will be saved, and uh
, yeah, there you have it.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
There you have it.
Well, folks, uh, we got startedlate today.
Uh, my brother and I try to donine until 10 am on a Saturday
morning.
We got started late because wegot praying.
Now in that prayer, getting inthe way of plans, oh boy, and
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here we are about 40 minutesover what we tried to do.
But you know, I'm thankful.
I'm thankful for you, brother,and I'm thankful for the
opportunity to talk aboutsomething that's so critically
important to us today.
So, and you know, if my peoplewill humble themselves, if my
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people will humble themselvesand pray, I read somebody not
too long ago I was talking about.
The danger of that prayer isthat it presumes that we are the
chosen people of God.
It presumes that America is thenew Israel, and I'm not sure
that there's a really biblicalfoundation for believing that.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
It depends on who's preaching.
Yeah, who is israel.
You know, like, if it's, uh,depending on, like, what church
you go to, uh, if you go to ablack church or where the
israelites we are, if you go toa white jesus, we're the
israelites.
You go to an asian church wherethe israelites are hispanics,
or where the israelites,everybody, want to be the
israelites.
But remember, the israeliteskept messing up so many,
regardless of who god, he god,loved them and forgave them and
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continuously blessed them inregard and but we're, in a sense
, we're all grafted in.
That's the thing.
You know.
We are the promise of abraham.
You know?
I'll give you the sentence as ainnumerable well in that
scripture that I read before,right, the word that's used in
that.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
To me, that we translate, elect can also mean
the chosen, you know.
So you know, if it werepossible, even the chosen would
be deceived.
So, uh, if it were possible andI have to say I think it's
possible, um, in fact, it'sproving out to be possible, if
not probable, in a lot of cases.
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So so, brother, thank you,thank you, thank you, thank you
for being willing to, as always,so freely share of your mind
and your spirit and your heart.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
Well, just thank God, man, because I believe you know
the Lord is going to do a thingthrough this eventually.
You know we just be thosewilling agents, that's all.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
Amen and amen.
You have been listening toFrame of Reference Coming
Together.
I never even said that at thebeginning.
This is Frame of Reference.
Coming Together, that's justFrame of Reference.
Coming Together and Jesus Christis a way to come together, a
new way to come together.
So if this is uncomfortablebecause all these guys are doing
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the Jesus thing again, you knowevery knee will bow, every
tongue will confess, and it'snot mine to decide whose knee
and whose tongue.
I don't get to decide that.
That's God's job.
But he is our Lord of our livesand if that makes you
uncomfortable, I just invite youto consider it.
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Josh McDowell says it reallyastutely Jesus is either a liar,
a lunatic or who he says he is.
So decide.
He's not a great teacher, he'snot another great prophet.
He didn't give room for that.
He's a liar, he's a lunatic, orhe's who he says he is.
So look at who he says he is soand then you determine if you
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think he's a liar or a lunatic.
Everybody gets to make thatchoice.
So thank you for joining ushere on Frame of Reference
Coming together.
I am Raul LaBrush and AntoineHallman, sr.
Indeed, we are.
So you guys have a great week.
We'll tune in again.
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good thing to confess before theLord what's really going on,
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and we'll join you in prayer,take care.
let's have it well, here we are.
Here we are, folks we've, uh,we're in part two.
This is part two, I believe, ofour series which may very well
take us through the summer, theway things are going, maybe
right up to election day.
But, talking about the state ofour nation, and you know, the
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president gives a State of theUnion address every year, which
is, you know, politicallymotivated, and you know, kind of
a report card, if you will.
And my brother, antoine HallmanSr, oh, and, by the way, I'm
Raul LaBrush, if you forgot, andyou are sir Antoine Hallman Sr.
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Okay, so it's hard to get usconfused.
We want you to understand, hearthe difference in our voices.
So, and if you, if I ever getaround to getting the visual
part of this on, you'll reallybe able to see the difference
here.
Although he is much right, thefirst thing you're going to see
is that he is so much morehandsome than I am.
So maybe you want to like coverpart of your screen or
something.
That'd be fine too.
I won't be offended, it reallywon't so, but anyways, we were
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talking, we have, but anyways,we were talking, we have kind of
a limited time to talk heretoday, but we'll see how things
go, because we were praying, andas we're praying, not only was
I thinking about the power ofprayer and I don't know those of
you that are listening, youknow where you are in that but
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I'll tell you, god has taught meso much about prayer over time.
You know, I was born a Catholic,raised in a Catholic church,
and prayer is very different.
In the Catholic church, youknow, there's the Hail Marys and
the Glory Bees and the OurFathers, which are, all you know
, good prayer.
All of them are based onScripture.
They're basically verbatim, youknow scriptural portions, but
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it and, and there is somethingabout that process of being
increasingly mindful of whatthose prayers are.
But there's also a very bigdanger of becoming rote, you
know, of just doing it, becausethis is, you know, like jumping
jacks or something, and so thatwas problematic for me.
And then I, you know, I, becamean evangelical, became a
charismatic evangelical, believethat the Pentecost was not just
something that happened, youknow, thousands of years ago,
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but that the Holy Spirit isstill here among us.
And those are the same thingsthat were evident in the Acts 2
church are evident today.
So prayer became much more of apersonal thing and you know,
becoming aware of things likespeaking in tongues and having a
prayer language.
And then you get to.
You know the modern times andone of the most eloquent ways of
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thinking of prayer I thoughtwas CS Lewis, who, back in the
50s, wrote that he was an ardentprayer and had become more and
more of a fervent prayer as hegot older and he came to realize
that prayer wasn't so muchabout what he could do by asking
God for things and trying toguide God towards things that
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would be helpful to him orthings that he wanted to see
happen, but prayer was moreabout him being changed by God
through prayer.
That connection with God wasabout moving closer to God and
by doing that, the changes thathappened in him were far more
important than the things thathe was asking of God.
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And that was so profound and someaningful to me that I thought
you know, that's exactly thathe's so onto something there.
And then the final thing wasyou can think of prayer as not
only a conversation with God anda conversation with his son,
but it's also a conversationwhere we come.
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We just talked about this rightbrother, that it's a prayer
that has basically three answers, you know.
So we're looking for.
Why doesn't God answer myprayers and we don't pray?
Because how could a God thatdoes you know let's these things
happen, possibly be there?
I get it.
I get all of those things aredifficult to come to grips with,
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but God answers three ways yes,no and wait.
Yes, no and wait.
So remember that when you'repraying, if you're in line with
what God wants, what's God'splan, what God's word reveals,
yes is probably always going tobe the answer.
If you're not in line, ifyou're just doing something
based on your own selfishdesires and your own, you know
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this would be best for me asdesires and your own, you know
this would be best for me.
You know you got to rememberthat God has the right to say no
and God is always moreinterested in our character than
God is interested in ourcircumstances.
Because we can look at I lookat my life.
I mean you, brother, have got,you know life stories that are
incredibly challenging, right,and we look back at those and at
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the time we sure as heck didn'twant to go through them.
I mean, horrible things happento people regularly and there's
a huge difference between thepeople that learn to accept that
.
I don't see the reason now.
I don't understand, I don'teven agree with it happening
right now, but I trust, I havefaith that there's something
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that's going to come of thisthat will be revealing in some
way to me or to people around meof God's true character and
God's love for me.
The old song by Sandy Patty ifyou can't see God's hand in
something, trust his heart, justtrust his heart.
And then the last point is wait.
And sometimes God just sayswait.
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Sometimes he doesn't answer,like why aren't you answering me
, god?
And it comes down to God sayingwait, and that to me is
evidence of God saying you'renot there yet.
You're not there for the answerto this.
And I use that as a way to lookat maybe, maybe, just maybe,
the results of this election arean opportunity for us to learn
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to wait.
Wait for the outcome, wait foryou know, if things happen the
way I don't want them to and youknow you hate me for it if
you're of that bent.
But I don't believe that Trumpis a man that will do good
things for us, but I alsobelieve that if he is God's tool
to accomplish God's ultimatepurpose, then he will become
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that tool.
He will be part of the plan andI have to be willing to accept
that and not run from it, but tosay, hey, you know, the
Israelites got brought out toBabylon and God used that for a
purpose.
Look at what happened as aresult of that Daniel and Daniel
in the lion's den and Daniel inthe furnace.
You know the stories that cameof that, the reality of Daniel's
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faith and the model of hisfaith that came out of that.
It's just phenomenal.
How could you not say that wasGod's plan right?
The things that we asChristians, as believers in the
word of God, became aware of andhave been blessed with knowing
as a result of that, arephenomenal.
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It's just so good.
So we're talking about prayertoday.
Folks Prayer in America, andhow is it that there are so many
people, men and women of Godthat are?
I don't know what their prayersare.
Personally, I don't know whatthey're praying for.
I don't know if they're prayingto the same God I pray to or
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what is going on.
But the evangelical church rightnow, when it can't find hardly
anyone that will stand up andsay like Paul Ryan just did our
Wisconsin US representative foryears and years and years, was
the Speaker of the House for arelatively short amount of time.
Even Paul Ryan said he will notbe voting for Trump because he
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believes the character is farmore important than policies,
essentially.
But where are the evangelicalleaders that are saying, mr
Trump, we're thankful for thingsthat you've done for the
company country, we feel thatyou were in line with things
that we believe in, but yourcharacter's got to.
You got to straighten up, man,you got to fly right, dude.
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You are so anti.
What we believe in, what we holdto be true, what we hold to be
self-evident in the Bible, thishas got to stop.
You got to stop it now.
Where are the gatekeepers?
Where are the people ofintegrity that will stand up and
say no, no, I demand betterleadership.
I, you know, I demand that theworld be led by leaders that are
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men of integrity, people ofintegrity.
We're not.
We're just failing and failingmiserably, and I don't get it.
We're just failing and failingmiserably and I don't get it.
So there I go, there at mydiatribe my, my soapbox is
complete for all you.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I'm just talking to you.
What do you think?
Well, when we talk about prayer, brother, you know it's going
to.
It starts with.
It's an internal, internalprocess first.
You know.
You know because, again, peopleknow.
You hear people say I'm praying, I'm praying, but this thing is
not coming to pass.
I'm praying, I'm praying, butthis thing is not coming to pass
.
You know it's not happening.
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I don't see it and it's like,well, we have to start looking
internally.
Well, we have to start lookinginternally.
You know, the God's word says ifwe read the Bible, boy, the
Bible tells us everythingpertaining to life.
You know, of course, like youknow, in Isaiah 59, right, he'll
say, you know, hey, but theLord's hand is not shortened,
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that he cannot save, nor is hisear heavy that he cannot hear.
But your iniquities haveseparated you from your God and
your sins have hidden his facefrom you so that he will not
hear.
Now you hit me, like on our inmy Sunday sermons.
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You hit me.
I was talking about keeping ourhearts in the right posture with
God, you know, and that's whereit starts internally.
You know, of course, it's likehe's not going to, he's not
going to bless the foolery ofour hearts.
You know.
And, of course, when we arepraying, someone I heard this
one pastor say, and it madetotal sense to me.
He was like when we pray, arewe asking for the same things
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that Jesus would ask for?
You know, when we talk aboutbeing in the center of his will,
right, you know it's like, arewe praying for things that Jesus
would ask for?
You know?
Would Jesus be praying for anew house, a new car, these
things, or would Jesus bepraying that people are saved?
You know that people aredelivered from sin, people are
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forgiven.
You know, what are we prayingfor?
You know, of course, but it'sjust an internal thing, because
God's word clearly says hey, Iknow, if our heart is not in the
right posture, he can't hear,he won't hear.
I mean, this is not pastAntoine saying it.
God's word said in Isaiah 59,one through three he said it
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that I will not hear because ofthe condition of your heart.
So it starts right there and so, and then, of course this is
the thing when people are nothearing from God or things are
not coming to pass, we tend toget frustrated.
Then, yes, this is a thegreatest, one of the biggest
tricks of the enemy.
He brings in doubt, he bringsin condemnation, he brings in
anger, he brings in all thesedifferent emotions that try to
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drive us away from God.
But no, what is it?
Oh, my goodness, I want to sayfirst Chronicles.
But anyway, it's like seek theLord and his strength, seek his
presence continually.
That what the scripture says.
And so it's like in our worsttimes, in our tough times, first
things first.
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Again, we have to repent.
John the Baptist came saying,hey, repent and be baptized.
Jesus said it himself repentand be baptized.
And so when we have a repentantheart and we can say you know
what I've been wrong, lord, Ican admit that I'm wrong, I can
confess my wrongs.
You know he is quick to forgiveand will heal our land, you
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know, and.
And.
But the thing is we're intoday's world where you can give
a person the truth, which isthe Bible.
The Bible is the only truth youknow.
You can say, hey, this is whatthe Bible says about the
situation.
You know, either they, the Holyspirit, is going to convict
them and they'll turn from whatthey were doing, or they will
just actually clamor up, getmore angry and double down on
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the lie they choose to believeand keep walking it out, and so
that's what we're starting tosee, and that's what I believe
that we're seeing in the countryright now.
Now you know, of course, whenwe're talking about, hey, this
man that's running for president, and you got a bunch of
Christian leaders lined upbehind him, which I, just for
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the life of me, I do notunderstand.
This man has not exhibited onefruit of the spirit, not one
love, joy, peace, kindness,nothing.
He has not exhibited one piece,but he is actually the epitome
of Proverbs 16 through 19 whenit says these six things the
Lord hate, and seven are anabomination to him.
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A proud look, a lying tongue,hands that shed innocent blood,
a heart that devise wicked plans, feet that are swift to run
into evil, a false witness whospeaks lies and one who spreads
the discord amongst the brethren.
He is the epitome of that, butyet a lot of Christians have
lined up behind him.
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Jesus said in his word thoughhey, in that day, many of God's
elect will be deceived.
And again, we were talking offus, off off microphone, and we
were talking Off microphone andwe were talking about this.
You know, a lot of people, evenGod select, will be deceived,
and we're seeing the Bible.
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The Bible is the only Book thathas fulfilled Prophecy.
You got all hey, no disrespectto Other religions, but not the
Quran, not Buddha's book, notHarry Krishna's book.
None of them has fulfilledprophecy.
The Bible is the only one.
And even as the New TestamentStarts to come into a prophetic
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Existence, we see it.
We see it clear as day.
And this is where, again, when,when we talk about prayer, it's
going to start with an internalthing.
Because remember David, whatdid he say after he got caught,
after he set up Uriah to bekilled?
And the prophet came to him andwas like, hey, this man did
this and that and the other.
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And David was like go get him,I'll do this and that.
And he's like it's you, andwhat did?
What was david's first response?
He ran into prayer.
Lord created, created me aclean heart, renew the right
spirit in me, take, cast me notout of your presence, take not
your holy spirit from me, and Iwill teach transgressors your
way.
He first acknowledged his own.
He.
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I mean a wholehearted repentancewhere not that 360 repentance,
where we start at the pointwe've we do the thing for a
little back to where we started,but that 180 turning away from
that thing completely and andand it takes effort, it takes
work, but it starts in prayer,starts internally, our
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individual relationships withgod.
You, you know, of course I liketo say, hey, what's in a
person's heart is between themand God, you know, and that's
where it's like so, it's likethat helps me not to take
offense, you know, because theBible tells us many in that day,
many will be offended.
It's just like we choose totake offense to things and of
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course we have to learn that.
Hey, you know, when we as menand women of God really start to
gather and believe and knowthat the infallible written word
of God is true and every issuepertaining to life is in this
word and we choose to, webelieve it with our whole heart
and then ask the Holy Spirit forguidance in this word.
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He'll direct our paths, in itand we'll be able to discern and
see.
We'll not only be able todiscern spirits, but we'll be
able to discern seasons.
You know, we will know whenthings just don't sound right.
You know, the Bible tells us I'mtrying to think Proverbs 25 or
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so.
It says it is to a king's honorto search out a matter, meaning
that we can't be the blind ledaround by the blind anymore.
We have to search out mattersfor ourselves.
We have to actually get word,and it's easier said than done.
You know, of course.
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You know there's like as apastor, I come to the
realization that some peopledon't know how to read at all.
Walk and start by giving yousome good, solid interpretation.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
That way you can eventually begin to get your own
revelation.
You've been quoting Proverbs somuch and you mentioned Proverbs
16.
I was looking at it speaks somuch to what's going on right
now.
Proverbs 16.12,.
It is an abomination for kingsto commit wicked acts, for a
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throne is established onrighteousness, so we're watching
the Stormy.
You know what is Stormy's lastname?
Richards, yes, Daniels.
Thank you, daniels.
Thank you, daniels.
Storm Daniels talking about herencounter, so lewd and livid
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that the judge had to say maybeyou shared a little too much
there, but anyways, sounds likean abomination to me, especially
given the fact that the man wasmarried and you know, saying
that the crime is that he wastrying to use hush money to keep
his chances from, you know,losing the election.
And his defense to that is no,he was trying to keep it quiet
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to protect his wife.
Well, yeah, hello, either way,the act is an abomination.
Hello, church, hello, that'syour defense, right?
Oh well, I was really justtrying to protect my wife.
Oh, great, so you're a liar andyou're, uh, you know somebody
trying to do something not sogood and then the bible's what.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
The bible doesn't say this, but it was a old uh
saying uh, it's like hey, if youlie, you steal yeah, well, and
then go a bit further.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
and in 1618, pride goes before destruction and a
haughty spirit before stumbling.
It is better to be humble inspirit with the lowly than to
divide the spoil with the proud.
He who gives attention to theword will find good, and blessed
is he who trusts in the Lord.
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So I look at that and think youknow part of where we went
wrong, and this is part of TimAlberta's book talking about how
we started in his mind.
Where it really has gotten badin the evangelical church is
that we somewhere along the linegot the idea that America and
strong American leaders is moreimportant than Christ and what
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Christ leads us to do.
And the argument and the thingthat I've been compelling my
Christian friends to do is tosay why in the world are you
aligning yourself with Trump orBiden to the expense of aligning
yourself with Jesus?
Because if you will alignyourself and it's honestly one
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of the biggest problems thatanti-Christians have,
non-christians have withChristians, just like Gandhi.
Gandhi once said I would be aChristian myself were it not for
Christians you know what kindof indictment is that to us as
Christians, we have been thepoorest representations of
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Christ.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
You know, like when we're talking, trying to
disciple people, or we're tryingto share the gospel with people
, yeah, people are like whywould I serve that God?
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
At that scene.
They got Jesus signs on theCapitol.
No, that was not of God's heart.
You know, to do what was done?
No, absolutely not.
And you know, and again, it'sjust when it comes to the church
itself, when it comes because Ihate.
Well, it is what it is thechurch is.
Race is a dividing factor.
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Race is a dividing factor.
You know, of course, peoplehave chosen to believe a
different doctrine than what theBible says.
You know, people are.
You know, I heard this onepastor say we must fight and
continuously work and strive tolive by biblical principle
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versus personal preference.
But now we're starting to seein the church, personal
preference.
You know, of course, and youmix a little bit of poison in
there about oh, you're no, uh,there's an anti, there's an
anti-white sentiment in thecountry because, uh, I guess
trump did a uh time magazine, uharticle where he said uh, there
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is an anti-white settlement inthe country which pours fire on
something that probably is not.
Well, it is, let's just saythat it is, but it pours fire on
it.
But also, it's again, it'sspreading a lie.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Right.
Well, look at what's happeningwith Tim Scott.
Right Governor Tim Scott comingout, being chosen potentially
as Trump's running mate, RightFor vice president, and he gets
asked after Trump makes astatement about how you know,
will you accept the the electionif you don't?
Speaker 1 (22:15):
win the results.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Oh, you know, will you accept the results?
And he's like, well, I believeeverything has been done
correctly and everything hasbeen done honestly and I won't
have any blah, blah, blahproblem with that whatsoever.
And but he would never answerthe question of will you accept
if you don't win?
He is not willing to acceptDouble down on that Right, right
If that if that would happen,if he doesn't win, he's already
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giving triggers, cues, to sayyou know there are people will
have to rise up or else they'regoing to lose their country.
So we know.
That was the same language, thesame metaphor that was being
used during January 6th.
Well, now, so Tim Scott getsyou know.
Questioned about the same thing, Would you be willing to accept
if Trump doesn't win?
And his response was not yes orno, His response was well, when
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President Trump wins.
And it kept, I mean like threetimes asked him but will you?
Will you, will you accept if hedoesn't win?
Well, when president trump wins?
And you're like what is goingon and you think about the, the
visuals of that right that if,if tim scott becomes his vice
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presidential running bait, Iwould not be, surprised.
I would not be surprised ifTrump would do that purely to
say, see, I'm not a racist, see,I'm not.
And that will become some sortof plank for him.
It's just, it's so, so likewicked in so many ways.
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I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I don't get how.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Tim Scott can even be there and say that I just don't
get it.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, you know, it's just like in the black community
, you know, we have this sayinghey, skin folk ain't kin folk.
You know what I mean.
And just because you're abrother, you're not a brother,
you know.
And it's like because you goagainst the very things that's
going against us.
You, you know, and it's likebecause you go against the very
things that's going against us,you know, like we're talking
about voter suppression, voterintimidation.
He is actually preaching thesethings on because we got to
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remember I think we totallybrushed over something that
Trump said.
He said that if he doesn't win,there is going to be a
bloodbath, and I don't thinkanyone paid attention to that.
That I don't want to say itscares me, but it's like that is
a that after what we saw onJanuary 6th, he, he gave them
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marching orders.
Now, I'm not a big MichaelCohen guy and thing, but he kind
of gave us.
He, like Donald Trump talks incode and when he says something,
you know you take it at hisword.
And when he says, if he doesn'twin, there's going to be a
bloodbath, that's suppression,intimidation at its face value,
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and I think, regardless of theparty that you represent vote
for, and things like that.
We really have to take thatinto heart, because a person can
say, hey, I'm a diehardrepublican and still vote for
trump and that, and even thoughyou can say, I'm a diehard
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republican, I don't like what hesaid, but I'm gonna vote for
him because he's a republican.
Now there has been a few peoplethat has said with their mouth
oh, I'm not voting for himbecause of this, that and the
and the other, but only onethat's in that booth when they
vote is them, that piece ofpaper and God.
So you know that's.
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This is where, again, prayer,god's word, is coming to light
and we have to hear it, and thethings that we are seeing come
out of the church today.
It shouldn't be discouraging.
It's been prophesied.
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So all we could do is pray.
All we can continue to do asindividuals, as churches, as
communities, is continuously gobefore the Lord.
Lord, create in me a cleanheart, renew the right spirit in
me, take this heart of stoneout of me, give me a heart of
flesh, sprinkle me clean withwater.
Lord, just make sure that myheart is in the right standing
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with you and, of course, andwhen we do that, god will answer
, he will hear and, yes, he'llshow us things about ourselves
that we don't like.
You know, I don't know how manytimes the Lord showed me
something so ugly about me.
I'm like, oh, I, it's like wedon't think about these things
until it's revealed.
And then it's like, lord, Irepent of that whole way of
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thinking.
My whole thought processpertaining to that matter was
wrong, and but we have to bestrong enough to say know what I
?
I'm gonna turn that around.
And remember I quoted, uh, thenew badger football coach, luke
fickle, when he said, uh, changeis inevitable, but growth is
optional.
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Yeah, and yes, and because,yeah, change, and this is why
where people, where the, thegrowth part doesn't take place,
because change it brings aboutpain, like this new offense that
the badgers are running.
I don't know how I feel aboutit yet, but you know, but it's
just.
But that change brings pain andchange is pain, you know, and
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with growth is going to is goingto be some pain in the growth
process.
Meaning we have to acknowledgesome things about ourselves that
we have to say, man, I waswrong.
And as a pastor that's, I'mconstantly before the Lord
saying, wow, lord, thank you forshowing me that, thank you for
showing me that.
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And that's where, hopefully,again, the sad part is I'm just
going to say it.
You know, a lot of the churchhas fallen under a demonic spell
.
There's a demonic spirit withinthe church right now, because,
if you saying that now, becauseif you're saying that, uh, that
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presidential candidate is a manof god and he is christ the
second coming and you believethat?
uh, let's look at matthew he whohas eyes to hear, eyes to see,
let him see.
Who has ears to hear, let themhear.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
And my goodness, Gospel of Matthew 24, 22.
Unless those days had been cutshort, no life would have been
saved.
But for the sake of the elect,those days will be cut short.
Then, if anyone says to you,behold, here is the Christ, or
there he is, do not believe him,For false Christs and false
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prophets will arise and willshow great signs and wonders so
as to mislead, if possible, eventhe elect.
I'll tell you, brother, I havebeen praying please, God, Lord,
please, make me the if possible,Make me the if possible, that
don't, Because that phrase ifpossible, the elect would be
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deceived.
That tells me that it'spossible to not be deceived, and
I want to be believed, I wantto be the elect that he cuts the
day short for, Because thoseare the people that are striving
.
I'm not a pre-tribulationistChristian.
I believe the tribulation issomething that we're going to go
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through.
True believers are going to gothrough it, Because if we don't
go through it, there's nobodythere to keep providing the way
out, Like you know, and the wordsays, God is not willing that
any should perish, but that allshould have everlasting life.
Well, I don't see how therewill be any hope for any of
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those people left behind ifwe're pre-tribulationist, if
we're gone before thetribulation occurs, so that
being one thing, but can I be,please Lord, please Lord, can I
be one that retains faith andsays, okay, even though this is
awful, even though it isapparent plainly to me that this
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man is an antichrist?
But he's even called, withinthe House of Representatives,
when they've been called asRepublicans, to vote in ways
because Trump is saying this isthe way you need to vote as
Republicans, to vote in waysbecause Trump is saying this is
the way you need to vote.
The thing when they were beingasked to.
You know, contain him, impeachhim, you know.
And they had to turn away fromthat and say we're not going to
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impeach him.
One of the senators I wish Icould remember who it was said
boy, the things that we have todo for the orange Jesus.
Look that up, the orange Jesus.
I mean.
How much more blatant, how muchmore like in your face, hello,
do you have to be in order toget that?
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That's how he's being seen.
He is, you know, the prophet.
He is the people saying youknow, I wouldn't mind having him
as king.
Well, who's supposed to be ourking in a Christian's life?
Who's on the throne in ourlives.
I mean, if you keep praying,Lord, make you the only person
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on my throne.
I challenge anyone who isthinking that Trump is the way
to go.
I challenge you just startpraying, Lord.
Help me.
Help me in my disbelief.
Help me to put you and youalone on the throne of my life.
Help me to do that today, nomatter what I see, no matter
what I hear, no matter what Ibelieve right now.
Help me to put you and youalone on the throne of my life.
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What would happen?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I've got to believe that's where love would start to
abound, because you know whatwe have done.
We have kicked Jesus off thethrone and put ourselves there
and begin to judge uh people andthings like that put America on
the throne, america's on thethrone now, that's, that's
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Alberta's point right, we're,we're worshiping.
America, yep, and we are to loveand not judge.
And you know, and it's likewhen it's just one of those
things that we pray for atFaithWorks Ministries, like Lord
, open the eyes of your people,lord, touch the hearts of your
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people, help them to see, helpthem to turn from their wicked
ways, lord, god, help them tosee, help them to turn from
their wicked ways, lord, god,help them to see what it is,
because you got highly educatedpeople, highly educated, smart
people, but they follow this manevery word.
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One of the people that used toattend our church, you know they
, they basically sold theirhouse, and gay and bought it and
built a smaller house to givehim money.
And for the life of me, I justdon't get it.
And but however, I understand,I read the Bible and I know that
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this gentleman, well, this man,Is an agent Of the Antichrist,
because, again, he's going tobring about all the Hate and
confusion and all the violenceand all these different things,
and then there, the Antichristis one that's going to Try to
bring this universal peace.
And there it is, you know.
And so we have to just Be ableto again Discern the seasons, we
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have to be able to see whatseason we're in spiritually.
Pastor John Hannah.
He says Everything is spiritual.
You have to look at it from akingdom lens.
We have to take off the worldlens and put on Our spiritual
lens and we have To pray.
We have to pray and, of course,what the Bible says, the
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affected fervent prayer of therighteous availeth much.
And of course it said, of therighteous you know, and of
course, those of us that havereceived Jesus and we had said
you know what, not only do Idesire relationship, jesus, but
I will abide in you, as in John15, one through eight.
You know, I will abide.
You are the true vine, I am thebranch, you are the source of
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life.
Everything, every good thingcomes from you.
I believe and trust you, lord,and it's like even the word,
even the Bible, parts of theBible, that I don't fully
understand, that you have notgiven me revelation on.
I believe you, but what isPsalm 119, 160,?
He says the entirety of my wordis true and my righteous
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judgments endures forever.
But also later on in Psalms hesays unbalanced scales are an
abomination to the Lord.
And so we see all theseunbalanced scales.
You know we're talking aboutdiversity, equity and inclusion.
We're talking about all these,you know, just these systemic
and systematic disadvantagesthat have been etched in stone
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in place in various institutions, and even we see the things
that are happening now.
This group of lawyers, theconservative there are so many
of these little societies thatthe world just don't even know
about, or some don't even knowabout that are just continuously
fighting to take away rights ofpeople.
I can't remember what show Iwas watching and I can't even
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remember the lawyer's name, butI want to say it's the
conservative society.
But these guys are continuouslyon the steps of the Supreme
Court fighting everything thatrelates to giving people of
color an upper hand, like justrecently, a thing where it was
like because they're holleringreverse racism now because it
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was an organization trying togive grants to Black women to
help them build businesses.
That's racist, is what theysaid, and the Supreme Court has
put a halt on theirorganizational uh operations
until this thing can be appealedand all this and that other
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kind of stuff there.
But again we see the unbalancedscales, uh, right before our
very eyes, and the thing is wecan no longer sit silent and and
and let the enemy have thecountry, the world, we, the
world is waiting for themanifestation of the sons of God
Right, and so, us being thesons of God, right, and so us
being the sons of God, the Biblesays blessed are the
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peacemakers, for they shall becalled the sons of God.
So when we are talking aboutpeace, because peace oh, I'm
going to preach on this a littlelater, actually I'm going to
preach on it at the Juneteenthcelebration, wednesday, june
19th, at Oxnard Park.
But it's like the Bible tellsus, for such as is up to you,
live peaceably with all men.
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And, of course, when we talkabout peace, peace goes way
beyond just that, oh, it's adowntime between wars, or it's a
mellow feeling.
Peace goes a lot deeper withthat because, again, peace
equals love.
And I'm going to put it alltogether on that sermon.
I'm not going to give it allaway now, but again, because
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when Isaiah prophesied it,isaiah, I want to say it's
Isaiah 9.
He was, like you know, a childwill be born, his name will be
called Wonderful Counselor,mighty God, prince of Peace.
And so when we say, hey, youknow, the Prince of Peace, god
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is love.
The world is waiting for themanifestation of the sons of God
.
The world is waiting to beloved on, to be loved on the
right way, to be loved onwithout judgment, to be loved on
without stipulation or withoutthe need for something to be
done in turn.
Because what is?
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Because a lot of people, whenwe talk about love, no love.
People think love is an emotion, like it's like an oven.
I'm a turn.
I like you today, so I'm goingto go to 500 degrees, or I don't
like it today, so I'm gonna goback down to 200.
Love is not an emotion.
Love is a choice we choose tolove and love has to be
demonstrated in action.
You know, we choose to love ourwives, right?
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That's why the Bible says nolove your wives as Christ.
So love the church.
You know, because we have tochoose to do it.
You know, because we have tochoose to do it, like, when we
choose to love Christ, he comesinto our heart by way of the
Holy Spirit and gives usguidance in these matters.
And that's where we have to getpeople, to get them back to the
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Bible.
Because people are sitting inchurches, they're going to slide
off that church right intoH-E-L-L because of the condition
of their heart.
You know, you know, and that'swhere we have to get back to the
Bible teaching.
We have to get back to peoplereading their Bibles on their
own to get this thing, because,again, when people are going off
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on things that they've heard,you know, and of course we got
this herd mentality, you know,it's like OK, you believe it, I
believe it, let's go and do this.
And it's like, again, like Isaid in the beginning of this,
it is Proverbs 25.
I want to say it is.
It is to a king's honor tosearch out a matter, meaning to
research it for yourself, getthe truth about it.
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What does the Bible say aboutit?
And when we can get to thatpoint, that's when we can start
to really crack this spirit ofhate that's over the nation and
actually trying to quicklyovercome the world.
The Bible says Satan is theprince of the power of the air
right now, but you know he willbe defeated.
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We have to.
When we can trust, believe andknow that he is a defeated foe,
we can actually start to operateTruly in the power that has
been given us.
And that's where, again, butthat power, faith, come by
hearing, and hearing by the wordof God, and so we can get back
into this word Get back and justget back.
Get back into this word getback and just get back.
Get back to Jesus.
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You know, because a lot ofpeople you know they go to
church, they go for thecharismatic pastor, they go
because their friends and familygo, but are they going to see
Jesus?
And that's what we got to getback to go to see Jesus.
Come to Jesus, come to me.
All you are burdened and heavyladen and I will give you rest
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and uh, that's, you know, uh,that's what we pray for, brother
, just a hearts to be changed.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
I've been thinking, as you're talking about prayer
and I, it struck me that prayeris kind of a story.
You know, prayers is not.
Prayer is a story of bothwhat's going on in our lives and
the story that we would want tobe told about our lives.
You know that this thinghappened and I prayed to God and
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then this happened and it waswonderful.
We want a story with a happyending, you know.
So when you're praying, you knowwhat if we asked ourselves, who
are we praying for?
Because the elements of a storyare to answer like five
questions who, what, where, whenand how.
If you answer those things,you've got the elements of what
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people look for in a story.
So, who?
Who are you praying for?
Who are you praying to?
And that's why I love thatyou're talking about prayer
coming from the word of God,because if you're praying from
the word of God, that prettymuch nails down who you're
praying to?
Because if it aligns itselfwith the word of God, then you
can know that it's coming fromthe word the mouth of God.
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Right from the word, the mouthof God, right.
What are you praying for?
You know what really is at thecore.
Are we praying right now forAmerica, because if we're
praying for America reallyseriously, why are we not
praying for the kingdom of God?
The Lord's will be done, OurFather who art in heaven,
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hallowed.
Be thy name, thy kingdom come.
Thy kingdom, come, thy will bedone.
You know it doesn't say anythingabout praying for America, and
you can call me an anti-patriotif you want, but I love this
country as much as anyone canlove a country, but I love it as
a country.
I don't love it as the Lord andthe idol of my life.
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So who, who, what?
Where are you praying?
Where are you at in your life?
You know, where am I at in mylife?
Am I at a point where I'mfeeling sorry for myself?
Am I on pity street?
Am I on, you know?
Oh, I wish this wasn'thappening street.
Am I, you know, on doubt street?
Am I on, you know?
Oh, I wish this wasn'thappening street.
Am I, you know, on doubt street?
Am I on angry street?
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You know where am I?
Because there are places that wecan be in that will affect our
prayer and affect what we'repraying for and who we're
praying to.
Right, and then the when.
You know, I find it interesting.
Who is it that talks about?
You know we're tragedyChristians.
We're tragedy prayers.
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You know so, when things gettough, it drives people to their
knees.
You know you're in the middleof a battle soldiers oftentimes.
You know, foxhole Christians.
Right, the bullets are whizzingby, the bombs are blowing off
around them and they're on theirknees going please, god, get me
through this, please, god.
Those are effectual, ferventprayers.
I can tell you that.
So, because they're at thatpoint.
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So where are you?
Are you at a point where you'rejust feeling so driven that you
know if there's a God?
I'm hedging my bets here, god,I'm just hedging my bets here
that if you're out there, I needyou now.
Okay, so I need, if you don'tmind.
And then, how are we praying?
Is probably, maybe is the mostimportant thing with what's
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going on right now is how are wepraying?
How?
I'll challenge anyoneevangelical.
You've got a MDiv, whatever youhave.
Okay, I challenge you.
I know I'm not.
I don't have an mdiv, I havenot studied theology, I've not
studied eschatology, I don'thave all those learned things.
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I'm matthew, okay I'm.
I'm a fisherman.
I'm I'm peter, okay, I'm.
I am that level.
And I will remind you all thatthose are the people that Jesus
chose as apostles.
He didn't have a seminary.
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In fact, the people that weregoing through seminarial studies
at that day and age were thepeople he fought against
regularly.
So let's get that straight yourdegrees are not what answers
who you are as a Christ follower.
That's not it.
And if you can't admit that,then you know pride comes before
a big fall.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
That's a great point, brother, you know, of course
I've been in the presence ofpeople that can, you know?
Basically, get the Biblememorized from front to back but
not have the Holy Spirit.
And that's what we need to livein this world.
That's what we need toreplicate the image and culture
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of Jesus.
You know, that's what we need,the Holy Spirit.
We need the guidance of theHoly Spirit to teach us these
things, to bring these things tomemories, to pray for us,
because when we don't know howto pray, as we ought to know how
to pray, the Holy Spirit makesintercession for us.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
You know, and that's where the Bible is not a tool to
beat people down.
The Bible is a tool to liftpeople up Right.
So if you're going to, use theBible as a you know something to
just beat people, to say youare living against God and, you
know, be a righteous person inlaw, boy.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
You know, which is how I see a lot of preachers
using it, you know, and that'swhere exactly, and that's where,
again, like when the HolySpirit is praying for us, and
intercession for us.
And again, the parts of prayer,you know, of course.
You know we give adoration toGod, we confess our sins, we
thank God and we givesupplication, right, we pray,
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and you know, and it's like, andthen the other part of that is
listening.
You know we have to sit silentand listen.
You know for what instructionsthe Lord has for us next or what
he is trying to show us.
Because, again, you know, I'm afirm believer that God speaks
to all of us and a lot of usdon't like what we hear.
And, again, you can eitheraccept the correction from God,
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you can accept the correction oryou can try and tune it out and
just double down on the liethat you believe.
Because one of my favoritechapters in the Bible I've said
this numerous times John,chapter eight.
You know, of course, uh, youknow he had, uh, just uh,
forgiven the adulterous woman.
Then, of course, uh, theyconfront him.
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We are children of Abraham.
He was like Abraham is ourfather.
It was like Abraham is yourfather.
You would know God and youwould know me, and it and it,
just it.
He just basically ripped fromthe shreds.
And I love that.
Uh, I love that chapter andlove that.
I love that chapter and butthat's where we are.
You know, we people, you knowwe Honor God with our lips but
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our hearts are far from him andwe just have to, and we have to
get our hearts towards Jesus.
We have to get back to that andof course it's going to take
some hard things from all of usto when God shows us us we
either going to change or we'regoing to double down on the lie,
and that's we have free will todo so.
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But again, I just choose tobelieve the Bible and, like you
were saying, I'm no theologian,I don't have any degrees in
ministry.
I just when the pastor said,hey, the Lord said, or no,
ordain you into your pastorate.
I'm like, no, I don't want to.
I see what you go through.
I don't want to do this.
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But if it's God's call, so beit.
And all you can do is just sayLord, equip me to do this,
because I can't do this in myflesh.
Antoine Hallman can't do this.
I need your spirit, I need yourHoly Spirit to do this for me.
You know, like that Solomonprayer.
Lord, teach me how to go in andout amongst your people, teach
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me how to judge your peoplecorrectly.
I don't want, I don't know howto do this.
I need you to help me do this.
And but again, it just it's aninternal thing, because here's
the thing, you know, and Ipreached on this a few times
it's like we have to take offthe immediate glasses and put on
the eternal glasses.
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You know, we tend to fight andwrestle and run towards the
immediate things house, car, oldclothes, this and that and the
other but are we really worriedabout our soul?
Do we know?
You know because, okay, lord,you know, because a lot of
people in the world, they seemto think, oh, if I just do, okay
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by people, if I just, you know,I'm nice to people, I do this
and that and the other, I'll beokay.
Jesus said I am the way, thetruth and the life.
The only way is through me.
And so we have to exhibit hisculture, manifest his nature,
that people will be saved,because people ain't going to
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read their Bibles, they're goingto read you.
And like you were sayingearlier, man, you made a great
point, brother, about you know,it's hard to get.
It's hard to decide.
I don't want to say it's hardto disciple, but people are
saying, hey, like you mentioned,gandhi is like I'd be a
Christian if it wasn't for theChristians, and that's how we're
being looked at even presentday.
And so there's a remnant.
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There's a remnant that's goingto stay faithful.
That's going to stay faithfuland I just pray that I'm a part
of that remnant and that I willcontinuously preach and teach
the word of God in its entiretyand in total truth.
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And I guess one of the thingsabout myself I've in the last
let's see, this is 2024.
This is 2024.
Well, since 2011, I've beentelling the total Truth about
myself and everything I hear andsee, and it's almost like
telling the truth To a fault.
But I'll say this I feel sofree because I can tell the
truth that way and I ain't gotto remember a lie.
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And I'll tell the truthRegardless of the consequence to
myself, because, again, it'sjust remember a lie.
And I'll tell the truthregardless of the consequence to
myself, because, again, it'sjust, uh, I just I'm, I'm, you
know, I'm free, I'm healed, I'mredeemed, I'm blessed.
I have to think back to whatJesus did on the cross to give
me life now.
And he died.
I was bought at a price.
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It's no longer I who live, butthe Christ that lives in me, in
the life that I now live, in theflesh.
I live by faith in him.
And what does Jesus want?
He wants souls saved, bottomline.
He wants every.
You know, god wants everyone toconfess Jesus Lord and will be
saved.
And so all of our activities inthe roundabout way, at end of
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the day it's about saving souls,and but not only just getting
souls saved but discipling themin the word that they may be
disciples for Jesus as well.
You know, there's a BillyGraham's.
I was in the discipleshiptraining and I did not know this
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gentleman.
It was a couple of blurbs onhim Dawson Troutman, the founder
of the Navigators.
I did not know that he was.
Billy Graham called on himBecause Billy Graham was like
hey, billy Graham Got thesestadiums packed full of people,
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Right, and people are confessingJesus Lord.
But he's like OK, dawson, howdo we keep these people in line?
You know, how do we?
How do we stay in touch withthem?
How do we keep discipling them?
And that's where DawsonTroutman came in.
And that's what you know canget people to confess Jesus, but
we also have to walk themthrough it.
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Then, of course, dawson Troutman, you know he was talking about
how you know, sometimes,discipleship, you know it may
happen in smaller groups.
Uh, that way, you, you raise upchildren and grandchildren.
Generational discipleship iswhat he called it as I parap,
paraphrase it generationaldiscipleship where you, as the
dad, you're going to raise upsome children, then your
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children are going to raise upsome children and their children
, and so on and so forth.
And we got this generationaldiscipleship going on.
And that's where we want to getback to.
We want to get back on trackwith that, know, as a country,
as a nation, as a world.
Uh, get back on that, you know.
And, um, because again, at thispoint, you know it's uh, not
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our will, but that will be doneon earth as it is in heaven,
because god's sole purpose, whathe wanted he was like, he
wanted the earth to replicateheaven.
He wanted heaven on earth iswhat he desires.
And, of course, how do we dothat?
By confessing his son is Lordand believing that he was raised
from the dead because of thisconfession will be saved, and uh
, yeah, there you have it.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
There you have it.
Well, folks, uh, we got startedlate today.
Uh, my brother and I try to donine until 10 am on a Saturday
morning.
We got started late because wegot praying.
Now in that prayer, getting inthe way of plans, oh boy, and
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here we are about 40 minutesover what we tried to do.
But you know, I'm thankful.
I'm thankful for you, brother,and I'm thankful for the
opportunity to talk aboutsomething that's so critically
important to us today.
So, and you know, if my peoplewill humble themselves, if my
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people will humble themselvesand pray, I read somebody not
too long ago I was talking about.
The danger of that prayer isthat it presumes that we are the
chosen people of God.
It presumes that America is thenew Israel, and I'm not sure
that there's a really biblicalfoundation for believing that.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
It depends on who's preaching.
Yeah, who is israel.
You know, like, if it's, uh,depending on, like, what church
you go to, uh, if you go to ablack church or where the
israelites we are, if you go toa white jesus, we're the
israelites.
You go to an asian church wherethe israelites are hispanics,
or where the israelites,everybody, want to be the
israelites.
But remember, the israeliteskept messing up so many,
regardless of who god, he god,loved them and forgave them and
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continuously blessed them inregard and but we're, in a sense
, we're all grafted in.
That's the thing.
You know.
We are the promise of abraham.
You know?
I'll give you the sentence as ainnumerable well in that
scripture that I read before,right, the word that's used in
that.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
To me, that we translate, elect can also mean
the chosen, you know.
So you know, if it werepossible, even the chosen would
be deceived.
So, uh, if it were possible andI have to say I think it's
possible, um, in fact, it'sproving out to be possible, if
not probable, in a lot of cases.
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So so, brother, thank you,thank you, thank you, thank you
for being willing to, as always,so freely share of your mind
and your spirit and your heart.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
Well, just thank God, man, because I believe you know
the Lord is going to do a thingthrough this eventually.
You know we just be thosewilling agents, that's all.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
Amen and amen.
You have been listening toFrame of Reference Coming
Together.
I never even said that at thebeginning.
This is Frame of Reference.
Coming Together, that's justFrame of Reference.
Coming Together and Jesus Christis a way to come together, a
new way to come together.
So if this is uncomfortablebecause all these guys are doing
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the Jesus thing again, you knowevery knee will bow, every
tongue will confess, and it'snot mine to decide whose knee
and whose tongue.
I don't get to decide that.
That's God's job.
But he is our Lord of our livesand if that makes you
uncomfortable, I just invite youto consider it.
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Josh McDowell says it reallyastutely Jesus is either a liar,
a lunatic or who he says he is.
So decide.
He's not a great teacher, he'snot another great prophet.
He didn't give room for that.
He's a liar, he's a lunatic, orhe's who he says he is.
So look at who he says he is soand then you determine if you
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think he's a liar or a lunatic.
Everybody gets to make thatchoice.
So thank you for joining ushere on Frame of Reference
Coming together.
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to make, go to www.4soccom andthere's a place there where you
can blog your heart out and letus know and it's a good thing,
good thing to confess before theLord what's really going on,
(57:47):
and we'll join you in prayer,take care.
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