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Speaker 1 (00:17):
peace, peace, peace.
And welcome back to freeman'saffairs Freedmen's Network.
I'm your host, vaughn BlackAaron Vaughn Black, that is to
be correct, and out of the gate.
We want to thank you fortapping back in with us this

(00:40):
morning, even though we're alittle late today.
Well, actually this afternoonwe're very late, got a late
start today and we apologize forthat.
Sometimes things come up andyou have to take care of that,
but we're still here.
We're still here and we'redealing with knowledge, build

(01:13):
and that manifest born in themathematics Right.
Knowledge is consciousness orawareness.
Knowledge is consciousness orawareness.
Build, destroy is notnecessarily a positive and
negative.
It can be in some instances,but it is to construct or

(01:40):
deconstruct.
That's what happens with build,destroy and for anybody who can
think they may be able to buildsomething or deconstruct
something without properknowledge and awareness, try it

(02:01):
and see how far you get.
This is why it goes in amathematical order that in that
way because you must have theawareness and knowledge first in
order to construct ordeconstruct something.
And then, when we go to the18th degree in the 140, the
question was asked what is theduty of a civilized person?

(02:22):
The question was asked what isthe duty of a civilized person?
And the answer was to thatquestion to teach civilization
to people who are savage.
Teach them civilization,righteousness, the knowledge of
themselves, the science ofeverything in life, love, peace

(02:47):
and happiness.
The science of everything inlife Love, peace and happiness
and this is what we try to do uphere at the Freemans Network is
to bring love, peace andhappiness.
But sometimes things we haveunhappy situations, and we're
going to touch on that becausethis three weeks ago and this
was just out of pure oversightthat I didn't comment on on this

(03:13):
particular situation of theIsley brothers, I totally,
totally overlooked itunintentionally and I apologize

(03:34):
for that.
And he was very pivotal in ourculture as far as providing the
soundtrack to music to a lot ofour lives.
As you know, back some monthsago we did the tribute to
Frankie Beverly, who was veryinstrumental in a lot of the
soundtracks of a lot of ourlives, but same here with Chris

(03:57):
Jasper.
Let's see, can I get a littlebit for that story, hold on.

Speaker 5 (04:01):
Good morning everyone .
All right, we start out with alittle bit of sad news this
morning.
Singer-songwriter Chris Jasper,known for shaping some of the
Isley Brothers' greatest hits,has died at the age of 73.
I want to keep you here, layingnext to me, sharing our love

(04:33):
Between the sheets.
I mean, that is a vibe.
Jasper helped write, produceand arrange several of the
legendary R&B group singles,including For the Love of you,
fight the Power in Between theSheets.
In a family statement onFacebook, the family says Jasper
joined the Isley Brothers in1973 and is credited with

(04:56):
helping them transform from avocal trio into a self-contained
six-member R&B funk group.
His songwriting talent andexpertise on keyboards and
synthesizers became thecornerstone of the group's
signature sound.
Two years later, jasperembarked on a solo career and
launched Gold City Records,where he released 17 albums,

(05:17):
including four gospel albums.
His breakout hit Superbadencouraged education and
literacy, a theme he waspassionate about his entire
career.
Jasper was diagnosed withcancer back in December of 2024.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yes, so that's the ironic part that our brother
joined.
He was a brother-in-law to theIsley brothers, the original
group, and he joined them in1973.
And ironic, ironic he died atthe age of 73.
Yeah, and um that.

(05:51):
Once again, we apologize uphere for not bringing that story
.
It was just the oversight andit was unintentional.
And, moving forward, we'regonna move to another sad
situation that we have to reporton before we go any further.
Let's get that story in here.

Speaker 8 (06:09):
Hold on just a second out of car wash in forest hill
just outside of fort worth.
Now this is a scene that isstill very active at this point
as dozens have come to see itunfold.
Fox force alex boyer joins menow with the latest on this Alex
.

Speaker 9 (06:26):
Hi Hannah.
You know we've been here allday long and so far Forest Hill
police have yet to provide uswith any additional information.
According to MedStar, though,two people were killed in a
shooting at this car wash behindme, and a family member tells
me that it was a man and hisfive-year-old daughter.
Take a look.
That same relative provided mewith this picture of Chucky

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Smith and his young daughter.
I told her birthday was justyesterday.
The two were reportedly at thisSlappies Express car wash
located off I-20 and Forest HillDrive shortly before 11 am when
they were fatally shot.
Family and friends were visiblydistraught as they arrived at
the scene of folks leaning onone another for support.

(07:09):
I spoke to Smith's aunt, who isdesperate for answers.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
All we know is that he was doing the car, cleaning
the car out, and somebody camethrough shooting and killed him
and the baby.
He was a good kid, y'all he washe didn't bother nobody, he
didn't.
Him and that baby.

Speaker 9 (07:35):
Sky4 captured part of the crime scene from up above.
You can see a red DodgeChallenger with its doors open
being processed by investigators.
Red Dodge Challenger with itsdoors open being processed by
investigators.
A neighbor told us that sheheard between 15 to 20 gunshots.
Fort Worth and Mansfield policeofficers are here assisting
with crowd control and at thispoint again, we have limited

(07:55):
information from Forest HillPolice.
The police chief told usbriefly by phone that this was
still very much an active sceneand that he would be putting out
a press release later on.
We're still waiting for that,so at this point we don't know
if they have any persons ofinterest, anybody in custody or
a motive for this deadlyencounter.
Hannah.

Speaker 8 (08:13):
Looking for some more answers there.
All right, alex, appreciateyour work there.
Police are still working leadsand evidence after a father and
his five-year-old daughter weremurdered in Forest Hill just
south of Fort.

Speaker 6 (08:22):
Worth.
We know from surveillanceimages there were at least two
attackers.
Fox 4's Dionne Anglin has thelatest on the investigation
tonight.
Dionne.

Speaker 11 (08:32):
Heather Steve a day following the shocking double
murder of father and hisdaughter.
The police investigationcontinues and now city leaders,
local community leaders aresounding off in outrage.
And there is this.
These are still images fromsurveillance video obtained by

(08:53):
TMZ.
There's a view of a victim,ronnie Sibley, in bright colored
clothing, running across theparking lot of the car wash and
two men chasing him.
Parking lot of the car wash andtwo men chasing him.
Seconds later, cars speed awayand Sibley a rap music artist
who goes by, lil Ronnie, laydead near his vehicle, gunned

(09:14):
down His five-year-old littlegirl, armani Sibley, who was
still inside that vehicle, alsokilled by gunfire.
Our own Sky 4 video shows thatcrime scene on Monday, with
markers placed by a slew ofshell casings from the gunfire.
Today, elected officials fromForest Hill, fort Worth, came
together with faith leaders andadvocates against gun violence
to issue a message to thecommunity.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
We always talk about healing and making a change and
wanting to see a change.

Speaker 12 (09:42):
when moments like these happen, let's stop the
knee-jerk reaction and let'smake sure we're working
continually to make sure that afamily don't have to deal with
this type of tragedy.

Speaker 11 (09:52):
Phil police said earlier they would give an
update on the case.
They later canceled that andnow the chief says that there
could be more information tocome tomorrow.
On Wednesday Now, five-year-oldArmani was a part of a local
cheerleader group, safari Sports.
That group has issued astatement expressing they are

(10:12):
devastated and praying for thefamily.
The community support continues.
An online fundraiser hasdonations thus far totaling more
than $27,000.

Speaker 6 (10:24):
A manhunt is underway for two capital murder suspects
who killed a father anddaughter in Forest Hill.
Good evening, I'm Steve Vigor.
Police say 24-year-old AdonisRobinson and 21-year-old Jacoby
Russell are responsible forshooting and killing a local
rapper, Ronnie Sibley, and his5-year-old daughter Monday at a
car wash.
Fox 4's Dionne Anglin has thelatest from police Dionne.

Speaker 11 (10:47):
Hi there, Steve.
The police chief here in ForestHill says the search is on for
the two men responsible for thisdouble murder.
The chief also called themcowards.
Two capital murder suspects arenow identified and subjects of
a manhunt.

Speaker 13 (11:06):
They're scared, they're cowards, they're hiding.

Speaker 11 (11:08):
They are 24-year-old Adonis Robinson and 21-year-old
Jacoby Russell, both of FortWorth.
Investigators say the two arethe gunmen captured by
surveillance cameras at a carwash Monday during the ambush
and double murder of music rapartist Ronnie Sibley and his

(11:29):
five-year-old daughter Armani.

Speaker 13 (11:32):
We have public enemy number one, Adonis Robinson,
who is also a registered sexoffender.
Public enemy number two, JacobyRussell, who's on the run
Public records show.

Speaker 11 (11:43):
Robinson was arrested in 2019 and later
convicted for the violentassault of a woman who was
walking along a trail nearMarine Creek Reservoir.
Forest Hill police will notspeculate on a motive in the
double murders, nor will theysay if or how the suspects and
victims are connected.
Pointing out, the Texas Rangersare the lead agency in the

(12:07):
investigation.

Speaker 13 (12:08):
Based on the music industry that he's a part of.
It is all part of theinvestigation and, like I said
earlier, we're in a fact-findingbase.
Everything that's being put outis being reviewed and analyzed
by the Texas.

Speaker 11 (12:21):
Rangers.
We know from surveillanceimages obtained by TMZ that
Sibley was chased on footthrough the car wash parking lot
before he was shot.
Police say it's unclear ifRobinson and Russell could be
hiding out in the Metroplex.
However, they are the subjectof a nationwide be on the

(12:41):
lookout alert.

Speaker 13 (12:43):
They are dangerous, they are armed and we need you
to please call 911 and let ourpolice officers respond and take
appropriate action.

Speaker 11 (12:52):
Now we asked the police chief if there was a
vehicle description to go alongwith this search.
The chief let us know that thevehicle used during the double
murder is already recovered.
He would not say where thatvehicle was found.

Speaker 8 (13:05):
The manhunt continues for the second of two suspects
accused of murdering a fatherand his five-year-old daughter
at a car wash.
One suspect in the Forest Hillshootings was arrested yesterday
in Southeast Texas.
Fox 4's Dionne Anglin isfollowing the developments in
this case.

Speaker 11 (13:20):
Dionne Hannah not many details, but authorities do
confirm the one arrest and saythey are working many leads
hoping to apprehend the secondsuspect.
Forest Hill double murdersuspect Adonis Robinson is in
custody, with the Texas RangersPolice revealing he was captured

(13:41):
Thursday in Livingston, texas,about 75 miles northeast of
Houston.
Details surrounding how24-year-old Robinson was tracked
down are still unclear.
Fort Worth police haveacknowledged we assisted on the
arrest efforts.
A second suspect, 21-year-oldJacoby Russell, is still on the

(14:03):
run.
Investigators identifiedRobinson and Russell Wednesday,
saying both are responsible forthe murders of Ronnie Sibley,
whose rap music stage name isLil Ronnie, and his
five-year-old daughter Armani.
The ambush shooting that leftbehind dozens of shell casings
played out Monday at a car washin the 6500 block of Forest Hill

(14:28):
Drive.
Investigators say theyrecovered the vehicle the
suspects used during the murders.
They would not reveal where itwas found Following Robinson's
capture.
The Forest Hill PoliceDepartment noted the arrest
results from relentlessinvestigation and coordination.
The investigation remainsongoing as we work to bring the

(14:51):
second suspect, jacoby Russell,into custody.
I reached out to a familyspokesperson for a reaction for
their reaction to Thursday'sarrest.
The response they are not yetready to make any comment.
That's the very latest.
Live, hannah, back to you.

Speaker 10 (15:12):
Police confirmed that they have arrested the
second suspect in this week'sdouble murder in Forest Hill.
21-year-old Jacoby Russell isbeing held in the Tarrant County
Jail without bond.
He was booked for capitalmurder as well as previous
charges.
Late this afternoon Police sayRussell and 24-year-old Adonis

(15:32):
Robinson killed 30-year-oldRonnie Sibley and his
five-year-old daughter Armani.
Both were shot at a car wash onMonday.
Robinson was captured yesterdayin Livingston, texas, that's
northeast of Houston.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, yeah, oh man, oh, wow.
I let that play for a little bitbecause the investigation was
continuing and the stories werecontinuing, so I let it play
until they caught the last guy,the Jacoby Russell cat.

(16:11):
These alleged killers One ofthe guys I don't know which one,
I'm not clear which one one ofthem left a identification
inside the car that they pulledoff in.
They left the scene of theincident and one of them left an

(16:33):
ID.
I guess it was frantic by then.
I want to say that they calledthese guys, both of them public
enemies in this manhunt, right,and that was because of the
five-year-old baby that waskilled in this incident.
And you know, your heart justbleeds for the family, for that,

(16:58):
for the child.
And also I want to say this, Iwant to say this, and also I
want to say this.
I want to say this this seemslike it wasn't no, just spur of
the moment happened, or two guysgot, a couple of guys got into.
You know these guys probablyknew each other.
You know the shooters and thevictim.

(17:18):
They probably knew each other.
I don't know if it was somekind of beef.
It's not clear, and theinvestigators are not saying
what the reason for theshootings were.
My thought would be right now,in this premature analogy, is
that it's the street.

(17:39):
The street happens, the streetshappen and unfortunately, two
people lost their lives thefather and, of course that, that
little, sweet, beautiful littlebaby.
If y'all seen the pictures ofher and it just breaks your

(18:02):
heart that this had to happen,this, this way.
And these young men these areyoung men in their 30s, late 20s
and 30s uh and it's, it's justa waste.
I don't know what happened ifthere was a beef or or you know,

(18:24):
you just don't.
To the family of the littlegirl and her mother and the rest
of the family Condolences.
And you know, you got the otherside to it where they alleged
shooters.
These were young men also and Iwould hope that they didn't
know that the child was in thecar and you know they, they was

(18:45):
just trying to kill this, thisother young man, and that's a
tragedy within itself, thatincident, but I would, I would
hope that they didn't intend tokill that child, even though
they intended to kill him.
You heard somebody, a witness,say that it was.
They heard 15 to 20 shots andthey chased this, this young man

(19:10):
, across the, across the carwash.
You could see the video of himrunning.
So it was something.
It was something previously inon on the stove brewing that
caused this deletion.
I should say it's homicide andyeah, yeah, yeah.

(19:33):
Well, unfortunately, we have tomove on.
We have to report these things,as heartbreaking and sad as
they are.
We have to report this.
But let's try to make things alittle bit lighter and we're
going to go to a, as I said, uh,last year, this time I started

(19:53):
a, a, um, a, a segment of theprogram that I said I was going
to continue, and it is calledthe.
I coined it, the, the, theculture session, the culture
session.
For right now, that's what Ihad originally coined it and

(20:15):
I've gotten away from that overthe last year.
But we want to start gettingback to that where we start to
recognize people from ourlineage, our past heroes and our
great ones, and we want to payhomage to them.
So we had to bring you the newsof the passing of brother um

(20:35):
chris jasper, and then theshooting incident there in fort
worth, texas.
But now, but now we want toflip the page a little bit to a
great woman in our culture, andthis one touched me because it
was close to home.
It's right there in Pineville,south Carolina.
And let's go to the story.
Hold on.

Speaker 7 (20:53):
The South Carolina Hall of Fame was founded in
Myrtle Beach in 1973 torecognize and honor contemporary
and past citizens who have madeoutstanding contributions to
South Carolina's heritage,history and progress.

Speaker 12 (21:10):
In the early 1920s, for many South Carolinians
living in Pineville and thesurrounding countryside, finding
adequate health care was achallenge due to its virtual
non-existence.
One courageous woman wouldsingle-handedly answer that
challenge, becoming their angelin twilight, changing health

(21:33):
care in Berkeley County forever.
Maude Evelyn Callan was born in1898 in Tallahassee, Florida.
One of 13 sisters, she wasorphaned at the age of six and
raised in the home of her uncle,Dr William Gunn, Tallahassee's

(21:54):
first black physician.
She studied nursing at FloridaA&M University and Tuskegee
Institute in Alabama.
In 1923, she was called toPineville, South Carolina, as a
medical missionary, creatingmakeshift clinics wherever she

(22:14):
could.
Maude Callen was one of onlynine nurse midwives in South
Carolina at the time.

Speaker 15 (22:21):
Ms Callen was very instrumental in bringing health
care to this area.
For some people she was theirdoctor.

Speaker 16 (22:30):
Very important to the whole community.
She was everybody's friend,helping everybody, giving you a
free shot, what you couldn't payfor.
She was more than just a nurse.
She was a doctor too, Becauseyou didn't have to go to the
doctor after they left her.

Speaker 15 (22:51):
She was not only a nurse, she was a doctor.
A lot of people that couldn'tgo to the doctor in San Spiegel,
ms Marge Callen was our doctor.

Speaker 12 (23:03):
In 1936, maud Callen joined the Berkeley County
Health Department as a publichealth nurse, providing
vaccinations and examinations,keeping records on children's
eyes and teeth and trainingmidwives.

Speaker 17 (23:19):
I've always said that she's the mother Teresa of
Berkeley County because she gaveso much.

Speaker 15 (23:28):
She trained a whole lot of midwives that helped
others.
Her legacy was passed on.
I am a product of one of hermidwives Me and my brothers and
ancestors.
I probably was Mark Callen'smidwife.

Speaker 18 (23:47):
I do remember my grandmother just telling me the
night in which my mother wentinto delivery.
It was like, I guess, a littlechaos there, but my grandfather
went I don't remember if it washorse and buggy or with a truck
and picked up one of the localmidwife that she had trained In
1951, Life magazine published a12-page photo essay by

(24:12):
prize-winning photographerEugene Smith.

Speaker 12 (24:15):
This article generated thousands of dollars
in contributions.
Nurse Callen would use thismoney to support a modern health
clinic next to her church inPineville.

Speaker 17 (24:27):
The article in this magazine really took her out of
Pineville.
Smith was an award-winningphotographer and he captured the
essence.
When I look at these pictures Isee he just captures the
essence of the area of thepersonality of Maude Callan.
This is a classic shot here adelivery of a baby, and this is

(24:51):
at 5.30 am.
The way Smith does this, withthe series of delivery, the pain
of childbirth, the baby born,the mother comforting the
daughter and finally the babyarrives and then Maude looking

(25:14):
out holding what looks like aCoke and resting a while after
more than 27 hours, these twopages tell a story about a
childbirth.
Here she has her bag and she hasher lantern.
She used to carry that lanternaround with her because in many

(25:36):
places, sometimes when shearrived, she had to have light
because they had to go and findthe lamp and light the lamp.
What's interesting is that shotwhere she's walking over a
branch where the water is highafter rain and you had to walk
from one puddle, one, a highpiece of dirt, to another, then

(25:59):
to a log and then to somethingelse before you got over it.
That was always the problem,and I know that she had that old
Chevrolet or something that shedrove and I can imagine that
many times she got in bogsbecause I've seen so many of
those cars and they'd have toput hay and stuff under them to
get them or rock them out.
So it was really an ordeal thatshe handled so well.

Speaker 16 (26:23):
This was the first baby she delivered and he now is
86 years old, my brother-in-law.

Speaker 19 (26:31):
When I was born I was a sick little baby, a little
baby.
But some people say I ain'tgoing to live, but most of my
babies could die.
I say, yeah, you ain't going todo it because you swore a
little, but I live.
I surprised them because Ididn't die.
I live and I live from then upto now, and Marla Callen was my
doctor.

Speaker 12 (26:53):
Today at Claflin University in Orangeburg, South
Carolina, Marla Callen's niece,Julia Dean Satterwhite, is a
registered nurse at the StudentHealth Center.
She recalls helping her AuntMaude at the tender age of five.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
I can remember a time , even at that young age, her
husband was sick Richard Callanwe affectionately called him
Uncle Dick and she would allowme to give him medicine, his
heart medication.
I would have to check his pulse.
At that young age she taught mehow to do it, with this being

(27:32):
her alarm clock.
I would watch for 60 seconds,count his pulse, and if it was
60 or greater then I could givehim the tablet.
And that's exactly what I woulddo, and she would say great job
, one day you're going to be agood nurse.
And I was like a good nurse.
She told me that so many times.

(27:54):
I actually believed it andfollowed in her foot tracks.

Speaker 12 (27:59):
Maude Callen retired from her clinic in 1971, but
continued to serve the communityas manager of the Senior
Citizen Nutrition Council inPineville.
She delivered meals on wheelsfive days a week, as shown here
in the 1983 CBS News segment Onthe Road with Charles Caroll.

(28:19):
She says she works part-time.
Part-time to Maud Callen isfrom early in the morning until
the middle of the afternoon.

Speaker 14 (28:27):
Miss Carrie, I want you to get your other plate
there.
I've seen people in need somuch and there's so much to be
done.
I decided within myself that Iwas going to make some effort in
order to help them to live abetter life.

Speaker 20 (28:51):
I can see.
I can see in spirituality andthe Christian way of life that
Maude Callan passed more thanjust medical help to this area.
I have a wonderful congregationof Christian-loving people and

(29:14):
I think Maude Callan I knowMaude Callan had a lot to do
with that.

Speaker 14 (29:18):
I visited when she did the nutrition center and she
was wonderful with thoseelderly people.
She was just phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
I want to always remember her for her kindness.
You know, in my neighborhoodshe did a lot of things for
people.
And she always said to me don'tgive to the people that have
always give to the needy.

Speaker 14 (29:39):
She really stepped up to the plate.
She had that compassion to dealwith people and she saw the
need and she didn't let nothingturn her back.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Nothing stopped her.

Speaker 12 (29:51):
Maude Callen died in 1990.
It is estimated she deliveredbetween 600 and 800 babies,
trained some 400 midwives andbrought health care to thousands
.
To them, nurse Maude Callan wastheir angel in twilight.

Speaker 16 (30:09):
She loved people, she would do anything for you
and she was just Maude Callum.
Amen, amen, yes indeed.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yes, indeed, salute to Miss Maud Callan.
She is gone from us.
I think they said in 1990 sheleft us.
You know she passed on, shetransitioned and yeah, but I
thought that was.
I thought that was a beautifulstory.
She wasn't the actual firstblack midwife.

(31:11):
She wasn't.
That started the midwife thingofficially was recorded in the
early 1600s, um, and it wasanother woman.
Uh, I believe her last name wasrobison robison.
And then there was another ladyafter her named mahoney, her

(31:34):
last black woman.
Oh, both of them foundationalwomen in mahoney.
Now the Robinson woman, Ibelieve, was a freedman.
No, she wasn't a freedman.
It was too early, early 1600s.
She might have been a slave,but this inspired me to do what
inspired me to do that littlepiece on Miss Maude Callan was

(31:58):
remember, a few weeks ago I dida piece on Erin Stratton.
That was the white woman inRichmond, virginia, that had
been arrested and charged forthe.
She was let me see, let me allthese things pop up all the time

(32:19):
.
And she was let me see, let meX this thing.
All these things pop up all thetime.
Oh yeah, she was charged withabusing the newborns at a
Virginia hospital.
They had been sufferingmysterious injuries out of
nowhere and they did theinvestigation.
It was many children.
I'm looking at a picture righthere with one of the children's

(32:43):
father, dominic Hackney, showingan image of his newborn son,
noah, on his cell phone.
The infant wears a brace on hisbroken left leg.
This is what this woman wasdoing.
So that story has been stickingin my craw for weeks since I

(33:04):
reported on it and I've beenchecking, you know, keeping tabs
on the story.
Now she's bonded out Since thenshe has bonded out.
So she's walking around nowshe's out on the lawn.
She's still going to court, Iwould um surmise, and I'm gonna
keep a close eye on that and seewhere where the case is gonna

(33:26):
go.
But the you know, the reason whyI'm bringing this up is not
only that story but thevitalities of black women, that
that that don't make it throughbirth.
You know, giving birth, therates of fatalities as opposed

(33:48):
to white women, and there'ssomething wrong.
See, this is why we got to getback, we're going to have to get
these kind of things back,these knowledge of how to do
these things.
You know, this has come to.
We have midwiveswives because alot of our people starting to
really with all of the healthconsciousness and the the

(34:09):
healthier living, we're nottrusting the medical field.
We're not trusting the medicalindustry anymore, the doctors in
there.
Then you can't even go to thehospital to give birth to your
child because these people,wicked people like this, trying
to break their bones and abusethem and hurt them and in some

(34:29):
cases may even kill the infant,the newborn.
So we getting away fromconventional medical industry,
the pharmacy, they, you know ourpeople.
We're suffering from high bloodpressure, diabetes and obesity
and all this stuff and it's thefood that's killing us.
So a lot of people starting tosee getting health conscious.

(34:51):
They're getting away from.
We still love our soul food,but we looking for.
We are looking for healthier orbetter ingredients, better
ingredients that won't keep ussick.
You understand, because whathappens after you so long are

(35:11):
eating the same way sooner orlater you're going to be taking
medicine and your medicine willbe your food Instead of your
food being your medicine.
Your medicine, your food.
So we don't want that.
We want our food to be ourmedicine, because the food is
actually supposed to heal youand make you whole and nourish

(35:33):
you.
So we want to get back to that.
But that's what inspired methat story about, about that
woman in Richmond, virginia, thenurse that was breaking the
bones and abusing the newborns.
That and the fact of thefatality rate of black women
giving birth in these hospitalsand we are not trusting the

(35:57):
medical industry anymore.
A lot of our people, you know,even in education, a lot of
people want to homeschool theirkids, so we're getting away from
the system.
Family.
And that brings me into to thelast story, last thing we're
going to cover here todaybecause we're going to get out
of here real soon.
But anyway, right here in thestate that I reside, in, new

(36:21):
York State, let me get a bedback in here.
The New York, new York State,has a reparations commission put
together by Governor KathyHochul I believe that's how you

(36:41):
pronounce her name, hochul,right, and I got to tell you
family what's happening is it'sa waste of time, the way that
it's currently ran.
Now you've seen what happenedback in the summer with the
California ReparationsCommission.

(37:01):
There they waited to the 11thhour and then they crashed, they
crashed it out, they crashed itout.
The bill didn't even get to thefloor to for a vote and it was
just a recommendation.
After a year too long study, arecommendation after a year too

(37:22):
long study, and it went to the.
It was supposed to go to thefloor for a vote, to go up to
Gavin Newsom, and it never evenmade it to the floor because of
those, those legislators, theblack caucus legislators there,
they crashed it out at the 11thhour at the behest of Gavin
Newsom.
So here in New York, here in NewYork city, well, new York City,
well, new York State, we have areparations commission that are

(37:48):
full of foreigners.
They're black people, but theyare not freedmen, they are not
FBA and people.
Why y'all making such a big?
Because we have to.
These people cannot representus.
They have.
They should not be in ourreparations discussions.
They should be on the sidelineswith their support.

(38:12):
If they're not going to support, okay, fine, still stay on the
side, do not get involved.
And this is by design family,because they know these people
are not going to do the rightthing Because they have.
Let me bring up my man.
Let me bring up my man.
I'm going to first let y'allhear my man, devon Spit.

(38:32):
I was trying to get this onlast week's program.
I couldn't get it, but I'mgoing to let you hear it now,
but I'm going to let you hear itnow.
I'm going to let you hear itnow.
Hold on, I'm going to bring itin here.

Speaker 21 (38:46):
Workshop educating the legislators and the public
on how to get reparationscorrect and constitutionally
sound.
There seems to be someconfusion about when we talk
about who we are and where wecame from.
I want to be very, very clear.
Those families whose ancestorswere enslaved and emancipated in
the United States of Americaare indigenous to the United
States of America.

(39:06):
By 1850, our families weremulti-generational Americans,
though we have ancestors who areAfrican-Americans of Africa.
It becomes a misnomer and a tooland term of erasure because
everybody with melanin isAfrican-American in the United
States of America.
And so what has happened isthat this bill has become a

(39:28):
racial justice bill, and racialjustice is not reparations, and
so we cannot talk aboutcorrecting harms when the bill
inflicts another harm.
And so, after the event inQueens in December, commissioner
Lurie Daniel favors to thepublic video where she talked
about getting into thelegislation, understanding it,

(39:50):
so you can know what thecommission is responsible for
and what the legislators areresponsible for.
So I did just that, even thoughwe did that the entire time
when we advocated for this billto be vetoed so it could become
constitutionally sound.
And so in the duties portion ofthat bill, it does ask and
implore this commission study arace yeah, that was my man,

(40:11):
divine spitting.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
That was the end of that little clip.
Um, I don't have any more.
I don't think of divine, let mesee.
No, I don't have any more ofthat.
Uh, that was uh, that was up inrochester couple of weeks ago,
about a month ago.
That was up in Rochester, newYork.
They had it here.
I didn't make that one.
I was at the one in Decemberthat our brother spoke about and
remember I had Divine up here.

(40:32):
I had him up here and we had adiscussion back in January, but
that was him spitting rightthere.
But anyway, anyway, now I lastnight I was tuned into Afro
Elite.
I was tuned into Afro Elite andhere's some of we're going to

(40:54):
now.
This was this live.
He did a live panel with SisterBrooke and Sage here from New
York City.
Sage, I think, is from Harlem,I believe he's from Manhattan
somewhere, and Sister Brooke isover here in Brooklyn with me.
Now she's a spitter boy, shecan spit and I'm going to see if

(41:20):
I can play a little bit of that.
But I was.
She was on afro elite's uhprogram last night on his
youtube channel and they had apanel.
And let's tune into some.
I'm gonna be skipping around,so please be patient.
I'm gonna skip around and wecan do, and then after this,
we're gonna get out of here hangon.

Speaker 22 (41:36):
It's an it's.
It's about whether we need weneed to put pressure on the
legislator.
That is why I compiled thislist.
To these the legislators forthe bill, the sponsors, the
co-sponsors I added the leadsponsors of HR 40 on the one for
that one, just like AyannaPressley and Corey Booker, and

(41:59):
things like that.
And then so there's aboutthere's quite a few legislators
that co-sponsored the bill.
So it's way more than since Imight say I just sent all three.
There's definitely more thanthree.
Just hit view, all at thebottom there's quite a few
legislators.
So my vision is for theDemocratic registration numbers

(42:24):
to tank right.
So let's say they go from Idon't know how many registered
voters they have in the country,but let's say it's 2 million, I
don't know.
Let's say they have 2 millionregistered voters.
I want, in the next few months,for that to go down like by
half you know what I mean Likeor at least by 44 million.

(42:46):
You know what I mean Like 44million of us.
We need to, you know, pull awayfrom them.
So, um, I would like to seetheir numbers be dramatically
reduced because of us de umunregistering from the
democratic party, then whileit's simultaneously while
we-unregistering from theDemocratic Party, then while and
simultaneously while we'reunregistering from the
Democratic Party, that theselegislators are receiving emails

(43:09):
, because most of these areDemocrats, we know that right.
So, while the Democratic Partyis tanking, they are receiving
emails about howunconstitutional this bill is
and HR 40 is, and so that willsend a message now I'm going to
pause it right there and thenwe're going to skip to something

(43:31):
else.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
We're going to continue and then we'll skip to
something else.
But what she's talking about?
Family now, this is a call toaction that I'm asking you, who
come up here every week, wholisten to me, this is a call to
action from your brother, fromyour warrior Von Black, up here.
I'm asking you, all of you wholisten to me, I don't care if

(44:05):
you're here in the United States, you're in Britain, wherever
you're at.
There is a call to action ifyou go to changeorg online
petition that we have generatedthat.
Well, sister brooke put ittogether.
She's generated a petition, anonline petition to to petition
this on unconstitutional bill.
Because, uh, what is it here?
Um, excuse me for the noise,it's um changeorg and the

(44:31):
petition is if you type in thesearch bar, the petition is
demand replacement, replaceunconstitutional bill A7691.
That is bill A7691 and replaceit with a constitutionally sound

(44:53):
bill.
That is the petition.
And they set up an email whereall you got to do is hit the
button.
Now, family, a lot of times weask our people to.
You know, you hear theYouTubers on their channels and
they're saying hit the likesbutton, hit the thumbs up on
your way in and, you know, hitthe subscribe button.

(45:13):
And sometimes it's so hardgetting people do that.
Now, the bigger influencersthey can.
Whatever they ask, they get itright away because people
they're very influential, theyhave big followers and big
platforms.
We doing the best we can uphere to do our part and I'm
asking all of you, I'm askingall of you who listen to this

(45:36):
program go to changeorg, signthe petition.
Right, I signed a petition andI also emailed.
The email is already writtenout.
She did a this.
Sister Brooke did a masterfuljob setting everything up.

(45:56):
All you got to do is hit thebutton.
You don't even have to typenothing.
You just hit the button andthese people going to get the
emails.
They already.
The last time I looked they wasalmost at 300 and they need
about 250 more for the campaignto be effective.
Hopefully we can get a coupleof 30,000 more emails and get it

(46:21):
up there to these legislatorsto tell them that this bill is
not right and once again, thatis Bill A7691 for the new york
state reparations.
Please, all of you I'm gonnasay it again go to changeorg.
It's all.
Everything is set up.

(46:43):
If you go to afro elite'syoutube channel and watch the uh
the panel from last night, it'sa three-hour program but they,
they repeatedly set the link up.
They repeatedly set the link upand you can go there and get
the link.
But I'm telling you what it isright here.
I'm telling you what the linkis.
It's on changeorg.

(47:05):
I went in there today.
I didn't do it last night.
I was too tired to um.
I had other stuff going onafter the.
It was a long three-hour.
I had other stuff going onafter.
It was a long three hour stream.
It was a three hour live streamand I was so tired and I still
had some things.
I had some work I had to do, soI didn't.
I couldn't do it last, but Idid it today.
I did it first thing today.

(47:26):
I came in, came into office hereand I got busy with the emails
and all it was the emailsalready written out.
Now you can customize your ownemail If you want to add
something, a little spice to it.
You know you don't want to beunprofessional and use foul
language or anything like that,but the emails are already

(47:46):
written up.
Emails are already.
All you got to do is hit thebutton under each legislator
that it goes to and the emailgoes right to them.
So that's what we're trying todo flood them with the emails
and let them know.
They on notice already, but youunderstand.
And also we're calling for allof the FBA and the freedmen.

(48:13):
We're calling for you to.
If you are registered democratic, if you're a registered
democrat, you can still vote.
You vote for whatever you want,you vote your interest.
But we're asking the freedmenFBA foundational black Americans

(48:35):
we here asking the freedmen FBAfoundational black Americans we
here on the grassroots areasking you to unregister from
the Democratic Party andregister as a non-party
independent.
And in my thinking, becausethat's what I am, I'm not
registered to any party.
I'm an independent.

(48:55):
I'm registered as anindependent voter.
I'm not tied to any party.
I vote on policies.
I don't vote on party orcandidates, I vote on policies.
It's like that old thing in theold west they used to say a
hired gun.

(49:15):
That's, that's what.
That's how I look at this thing.
But anyway, like I'm sayingfamily, we want to really show
them what could happen when youplay with us.
You play with us with the, withthe California reparations
thing.
You've seen what happened in thegeneral election.
Vp Harris got washed.

(49:37):
Kamala Harris, kamala or Kamalawhatever her name is that chick
she got washed and it wasbecause of a lot of black people
stayed home and sat theelection out and we didn't.
A lot of us didn't vote and wewant them to know.
This is just the start of thegravy train.

(49:59):
This is just the start and Ileft the comment.
When I signed the petition, Ileft the comment.
My comment is up there becauseyou can use my comment, you can
use other people who commentedand send your voice to it, but
don't just, don't just sign thepetition.
Send the email, changeorg.
So now that you I talked aboutthat, we want to get back to it,

(50:22):
let's let's get back to it.

Speaker 23 (50:23):
Let's get back to it then at that point they will
have to come to us yeah, that'show we get it, that's how we get
stuff done that's how we get itdone all right, because they're
going to come with hat in handwhen they realize they right now
they think they can wait forwhatever reason.
They're delusional enough tobelieve that they can wait us

(50:45):
out, just the same way that theythought they they could wait us
out with the last election.
And we're gonna let them knowthis isn't a trend that's going
to die.
This isn't something that wasgoing to die.
We're not going to losemomentum, we're not going to
slow down, we're not going tocompromise.
This is the new way forward.
The status quo has changed.

(51:06):
So you can either fall andcompletely not be a viable
political party at all andthat's cool or you can have hat
in hand and you can come to thetable and say what do I need to
do?
Let me sign the check.
Just let me know what I need todo to get back in your good
gracious.
Those are your only two options.

(51:27):
You know, would they tell usthat we got a compromise quote
unquote for the lesser of twoevils?
Well, now we're giving you allthe lesser of two evils.
You can either do what we sayall the way, or you can just not
exist anymore.
Those are, those are your twoevils.
You have to deal with it.
It's not evil, but to you it'sevil.

(51:54):
So you know, I appreciate youractivism.
I appreciate you signing thispetition and doing all of this
stuff To make sure that peopleknow Family.
We got a call to action.
We have a mission.
We got to make sure that westay on it.
Sage, I appreciate youractivism.
I also appreciate the fact thatyou are, you are brother, jason

(52:14):
, all y'all y'all are very on it.
As far as the hate crime billOK, because that's something
that's very, very important andit shouldn't only be bought up
when we have a major incident.
You know what I'm saying.
It shouldn't have to be whereyou got a peyton gendron running
into, because we also got totalk about that.

(52:34):
Happened in new york too, uh,where the the shooter came into
um a gruff buffalo, yeah buffalo, wasn't that buffalo new york
right?
that well, that's the state ofnew york right upstate, yeah,
yeah okay, okay, well, I meanthat's, that's still a relevant
situation, yeah, and it happenednot long ago.

(52:55):
That didn't happen long ago.
This ain't like the, the, the1950s or something like that.
This, this, not happened longago.
So we can't just talk about ahate crime bill when we have a
major situation pop off, like ajordan neely or like another
mass shooting or Dylan Roof orwhatever the case is.
This got to be a consistentthing, because there's so many

(53:19):
situations like Jordan Neelythat don't go reported, that we
just don't know about right, andthere's one more thing, um, I
don't I'm not exactly sure, butI know, um that there's a lot of
talk about this.

Speaker 22 (53:35):
The next thing we need to work on is the
delineation.
Well, actually we need to beworking on this simultaneously,
and I've been working on thereparations a little bit more,
but we need to delineate on astate level, state and federal
level.
That's part of what the billthat the US Freedmen Project put

(53:57):
forth.
It also talks about usdelineating on.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Let me explain what she's talking about right there.
That's Sister Brooke, that'sher, that's her and if I get a
chance before we get out of here, I'm going to play her
statement at the Rochesterhearing.
But what she's talking abouthere.
As far as the delineation, Iand I talked to Devon about this
about a week ago.

(54:23):
I talked to him we didn't talkabout this when he when he came
up on it on the program, when hecame on the podcast, but I
talked to him about it on thephone about a week ago and we
were bouncing things, somethings off each other.
You know things I'm doing overhere and things he's doing over
there because he is the chairfor the US United States
freedmen project.
So he I expressed to him Ithink that we should push for a

(54:50):
status a.
We already federally recognizestatus.
The freedmen are federallyrecognized.
However, we need a situationsomewhat like the five Native
American federally recognizedtribes.
They have what they call cardscard carrying federally

(55:11):
recognized tribes.
They are card carriers and weneed something similar like that
, where these cards arefederally recognized by card
carrying people of the Freedmenstatus and that's what she's
talking about here and Devon isworking on that and I promised
that I would help him inwhatever way he needs me.

(55:33):
If he wants to come up on hereand speak and talk about it,
he's welcome.
I told him this is his home andhe's welcome to come up here
anytime, and these are thethings that we're working on.
Now I'm not going to.
I talked to him about somethings because I'm going to need
some of their help from peoplelike Divine Sage and the Sister
Brooke for some things that I'mgoing to need some of their help
from people like Divine Sageand the Sister Brooke for some

(55:55):
things that I'm putting together, and I'm not going to talk
about them right here with youright now.
When they start manifesting,then we'll talk about it.
But back to it.
Back to it.
The audio got knocked out forsome reason.
Audio's knocked out.
I don't know what happened here, but anyway, back to.
Oh, let me get the music backback in here anyway.

(56:15):
Oh, family, I don't know whydoes that happen?
I don't know if it's thissystem or what, but anyway,
we're gonna get ready, we'vebeen up here long enough and,
once again, family, go to go tochangeorg.
The petition is there.
Everything is laid out.

(56:35):
Sign the petition.
Don't just do that sign thepetition and then go, stroll
down and go to the email section.
Where, where they, where, whereit says ledger email legislator
, go there, hit the button.
All you gotta do is hit thebutton.
Everything is written out.
She's written that out already.
And, um, we gonna, we gonna getready and blow out of here,

(56:58):
cause we been up here longenough.
And um, in the words of Malik,you must respect life, love
justice and cherish freedom, andy'all go in peace and keep the
peace, and we gonna rock out.
We gonna rock out with a littlesomething.
You must respect life, lovejustice and cherish freedom, and
y'all go in peace and keep thepeace, and we're going to rock
out.
We're going to rock out with alittle something.

(57:21):
We're going to rock out with alittle.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
We're going to leave you with a little something,
thank you.
How is it making you gottafight the powers that be?
Got so many voices Sitting onthe scene Giving up, all around
me, faces full of pain.
I try to play my music this day.

(58:54):
My music's too loud.
I try talking about it.
I got to be run around and whenI roll with the punches I got
knocked on the ground by allthis bullshit going down.
Hey, time is truly wasted.
There's no getting straight.
Smile isn an amazing.

(59:15):
We gotta fight the problemsthat we I don't understand
People wanna say those that gotthe answers Red tape in the way.

(59:36):
I can do it easy.
That's just half the fun.
Now we know Singing aboutsatisfaction Keeps me on the run
.
I try to play my music.
Say, say my music's too loud.
I try talking about it.

(59:57):
I got the big run around andwhen I roll with the punches I
got knocked on the ground by allthis bullshit going down.
Oh, time is truly wasted.
There's no guarantee.
Hey, smile is in the making,wasted.
There's no guarantee.
Smile isn't making we gottafight the powers that be.

(01:00:20):
Got so many voices Stayin' onthe scene, givin' up all around
me, faces full of pain.

(01:00:48):
Thank you.
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