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Speaker 1 (00:03):
We've been gone a long time.
We back now.
You twins, nah, we cousins.
There are legends of peoplewith the gift of making music.
So true, it can conjure spiritsfrom the past and the future.
This gift can bring fame andfortune.
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It can conjure spirits from thepast and the future.
This gift can bring fame andfortune.
Will somebody take me in yourarms?
But it also can pierce the veilbetween life and death.
Listen here, this ain't nohouse party.
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Take me in your house partyShit.
Y'all ready to drink, y'allready to sweat till y'all stink.
You want some?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
You keep dancing with the devil.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Careful boy, You're gonna bite off more than you can
chew Love you.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
One day he's gonna follow you home.
You thought it was a problem,y'all.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
What the hell going on?
Oh, we heard tale of a party.
This world already left you fordead.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I can save you from your fate.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
You don't need no saving.
Yes, you do, and you are.
I am your way out, don't cryhe's all better now I don't
believe in magic ghosts, demons.
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I don't believe in magic Ghosts, demons, just power.
Somebody please take me, takeme, take me.
We gonna kill every last one ofyou.
Hey, I didn't mean to scare you, thought y'all done forgot
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about me in here.
Come on, open the door.
Let me on out of here.
Stay, it's you, of course, it'sme.
Open the door, that ain't yourbrother.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Love to you.
You know, it's me only thing.
I think I shat myself.
Yo, what's happening?
Peace, peace and welcome back.
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Welcome back, freedman'sAffairs, radio Freedman's
Network, your host here, vaughnBlack.
Let me get these levels rightand right out the gate.
We want to thank you fortapping back in on today, april
29th 2025.
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Wisdom born, wisdom born family, and that brings about
knowledge, knowledge, OK, so I'mhere and we're going to get
right into it.
Of course, the hot topic is theSinners movie, and I'm going to
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do my review up here, and Iwent to see it twice Because and
I may go a third time becauseit was it was so many gems in
the movie.
In the movie, first of all,let's give a big, a big, big
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applause to Ryan Coogler forputting this together, producing
this, and I think he directedit and it was distributed
through Warner Brothers Studios.
And also to Michael B Jordan,who was the principal actor in
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the film, who played twocharacters, smoke and Stack
Twins.
And also I want to give a big,big applause to, or a salute to,
actor Delroy Lindo, who playedDelta Slim in the movie.
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And this I'm when I'm tellingyou family, what I'm telling you
is this one here.
They got it right.
They got it right, he got itright and it's shaking the, it's
shaking Hollywood up.
The first week, cause it wasreleased on April 18th, the
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first week, I think it did 48million.
Second week turned right backaround and did I'm I'm
understanding it 45 million,right, and this was a 90.
The budget for the film was 90million dollars.
That was the budget, right, andso far, domestically it has
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grossed domestically well.
It has grossed 13 million andworldwide, worldwide, well,
total the total, that's the,that's the domestic growth.
The total gross, uh,domestically is 123 million.
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So they done made money off thefilm already.
And worldwide check this outfamily worldwide the film has
done $161 million grossworldwide.
Now, we're not even talkingabout merchandise and you know
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posters and stuff like that.
We're not even talking aboutthat.
And this movie is a relief.
Like I said, under WarnerBrothers in the United States it
was in 3,000 theaters, 3,347theaters nationwide, right, $90
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million budget.
It's the second week it's beenreleased.
It's the second week it's beenreleased.
It's 10 days now, well, 11 days, well, 11, 12 days now it's
been released and this movie isdoing great.
Will it get Oscars from theAcademy Awards?
I don't know.
I'm hoping so.
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I'm hoping so because thereason why it's hitting so right
with me is because the moviewas so cultural.
It was depicted and it wasabout our culture, fba
Foundation of Black AmericanFreedmen culture that's what it
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was this movie was based in, Ithink it was 1932, a place
called Clarksdale, mississippi,right, and this is right after
emancipation.
You know a little out ofemancipation.
You know this is during the JimCrow era and I definitely can
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identify with the Jim Crow erabecause in my family my
grandparents andgreat-grandparents were living
during that time Jim Crow South,and that lasted.
When did Jim Crow actuallyofficially well, did it end?
I don't have that in front ofme.
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Let me see Can I pull that up,let me see Can I pull it up.
I mean, let's go to it.
Yeah, see, I was born.
I was living doing Jim Crowbecause this is around the year
I was born.
I was living doing Jim Crowbecause this is around the year
I was born.
Jim Crow era officially endedin 1965 with the passage of the
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Civil Rights Act of 1964.
So, and the Voting Rights Actof 1965.
Yeah, so, yeah, family, that JimCrow South, this and this, what
this was based on in a littletown in Mississippi, clarksdale,
and that's the MississippiDelta down in there.
And man, I got to tell you, boy, this movie hit home.
It hit home really, reallyswell, it hit on all cylinders.
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And again, once again, saluteto the producer of the film,
ryan Coogler.
I think he produced and filmedit, I believe directed it,
produced and directed it Right,and very, very, oh, I can't.
I'm trying to think of wherecould I begin.
Hold on, let me get some musicback in.
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Trying to think of where couldwe start other than, yes, it was
Jim Crow crow, south clogsdale,mississippi.
Two brothers, two twins, uh uh,smoking stack smokestack, the
smokestack twins played bymichael b jordan.
Right, they were from that,that town in mississippi, that
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little town.
They was there, born and raisedthere, and they, as a story
would happen, they end upkilling their father.
Their father used to abuse thetwins and they end up killing
them.
And they went off and went awayto Chicago and they got into
the gangland thing in Chicagowhere they even encountered Al
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Capone.
From what the story was saying,you know.
Anyway, they 1932, they decideto go back to Mississippi.
They made their money inChicago and they said they were
going to go back home and theywent back and the plan was to
which they did.
They opened up a juke joint, asthey were notoriously called
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juke joints.
It was a place the juke jointswere a place that you could go
and just let your hair down andjust be yourself.
There was no judgment, unlikethe church.
The church was very judgmentaland they touched on those things
throughout the movie.
They touched, they touched onon that, on the church thing
throughout the movie and this iswhy there was a lot of
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christians.
Well, not well, I don't know,but there was some christians
that I saw online, you know,from the black church, and they
were talking against the movieand they was advising people to
not go see the movie because itwas very offensive to the church
.
They did uh take swipes at thechurch, but I don't think it was
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.
In my opinion it was nothingcrazy or over the top.
They just gave, they just spokewhat, what the reality is.
That's, that's what they spokeon in the movie.
I don't think the brother wastrying to to uh disrespect the
church or this uh, or to try toundermine the church in any kind
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of way.
I'm talking about the ryancoogle.
I don't think he was trying todo that, but he was just telling
the reality of what it is.
The church was very judgmentalduring that time and they
thought the blues were worldmusic, it was worldly music.
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In other words, it was evil,devil, devil music, right, this
is what they called it devilmusic.
And they didn't want people ofthe church indulging in those
kind of things in the worldlythings.
So there was a duality betweenthe church, the black church,
and the juke joints.
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See, the juke joint was veryspiritual in its own right
because that blues music theyused to listen and dance to,
that blues music was born out ofthe pain that foundational
blacks and the freedmen weregoing through.
They'd be out in the fields,and it even would touch out in
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the fields.
They'd be out there hummingMm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Mm-hmm, and that's what the blues were born out of.
There was a little bit ofgospel.
Like I said, there was aduality between the two because
the gospel music was part of ourthing too.
There was a lot of pain in thatin the gospel.
If was part of our thing too,and that was, there was a lot of
pain in that in the gospel, ifyou listen to a lot of it, some
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of those early Mahalia Jacksonrecordings you know,
unmistakably unmistakable.
So anyway, yeah, so that'swhere people would go to the
other side of the town.
They'd cross the tracks overthere to the juke joints or up
the road to the juke joints andthat's where people would go and
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let their hair down.
They could go in there, theycould cry, they could laugh,
they could sing, they coulddance, they could eat some food,
drink some liquor and you know,we was drinking whiskey and
stuff then whiskey and moonshineand drink them spirits and have
a cold beer after working allday in that hot heat.
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And we talking about a time thisis Jim Crow South, this is
after emancipation.
So we have a little moreliberties, if you will, if after
emancipation.
So we have a little moreliberties, if you will, if you
can call it that.
We had a little more libertiesto do.
Things weren't just relegatedto the stay on the plantation.
We could go to town after youwork and pick your cotton,
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because they were still pickingcotton, doing Jim Crow.
They were still picking cottonbecause my mother and father
picked cotton, picked it.
I mean, they picked cotton,plenty of it.
I tell you, my grandparentswere sharecroppers.
Well, on my father's side theywere sharecroppers and they
picked cotton.
My mother picked cotton, myfather picked cotton.
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And so these places were, youknow, could, especially on
friday, saturday, you could goand you know, get you some food,
get you some nice hot friedfish and some chicken, a piece
of chicken and, and you know,get your sandwich and play cards
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.
They would have a littlegambling going on in the joint
in the back room or whatever.
It was just a place you canjust go, get down and just let
it all out, and it was a lot ofpain that they were letting out.
This is how the blues musicformed and a lot of the genres
of music that came after.
The blues came into creationbecause of the blues.
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That's why they call it thatthe blues Singing.
The blues came into creationbecause of the blues.
That's why they call it thatthe blues.
Singing the blues, you're blue.
What's bothering you so much,that got you so down, and those
people were talking about thatin the music.
Muddy Waters and all of themguys, howlin' Wolf, you know, in
fact, howlin' Wolf, you know infact Howlin' Wolf made that
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song, smokestack Lightning, andthat's what those two twins were
, the Smokestack twins, and itwas a great movie.
It's a great movie and I wouldadvise those of you who tune in
every week or who tune inperiodically, I would advise to
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go see the movie Now.
Can you take that?
I think you could take kidsthere.
There was, there's some cursingin it and there's some explicit
overages in the movie, sexualoverages, but there was nobody
that took their clothes off.
There was no nudity.
There weren't a whole lot oftwerking and all that going on
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and boochy popping all throughthe movie.
It wasn't none of that.
There was sexual overages insome of the language, but you
didn't see any nudity and youdidn't.
There was a love making scenebetween Smoke and his.
Well, let me not give it away.
Let me not give it away.
I don't want to give it forthose of you who haven't seen
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the movie, I don't want to giveup no spoilers here, but anyway,
great film.
It was very let me say thisvery symbolic.
It was a lot of if you will, alot of Easter eggs in it, a lot
of symbolic things in it, and itwas loaded.
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It was loaded with Easter eggsLoaded.
When I say Easter eggs not thatI believe in Easter, we talk
about Easter egg hunt with thekids.
You can find a lot of jewels.
In other words, it was a lot ofhidden jewels in it.
Some of them were more overtthan others, but it was a lot of
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jewels in it.
Family.
Now it's supposed to be like a,like a horror film.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
To me it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
You know, it had vampires in it.
The vampires, in how Iperceived the movie, the
vampires were representation ofwhite supremacy.
Now you had the Klan.
They were there, they were, youknow, they were in it.
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They didn't have on the robesand stuff, but the Klan they
were a part of it and I wouldview them as like the
Republicans, like most blackpeople would perceive the
Republican Party, and thevampires to me, me, the way I
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saw it, dave's side of whitesupremacy represented the
Democrats because in the film itwas the vampires they were.
They were.
I played the trailer in the verybeginning, in the opening right
, and the vampires were.
They were obsessed with the onedude preacher, the preacher's
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son.
They call him preacher and thiskid could play.
He was the twins, youngercousin and this kid could play
that guitar like a something outof this world.
He played that guitar and hecould sing.
Yeah, he had the vocals.
And the vampire leader, remickI think his name was Remick or
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something like that.
He was obsessed with this kid.
He wanted the powers from thiskid.
Like the Democrats are alwayscoming to us and they think was
when they came to the spot theywanted to get in.
They couldn't get in because weyou know we was in those days
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we were very leery of whitefolks, unlike now where you got
a lot of people, love sucking upto white folks and they want to
be around them and want to be apart of them.
You know, back then, in themdays, we knew what it was and we
stayed on one side of the track.
They stayed on the other side.
It was segregated like nothingelse we ever seen and everybody
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stayed in their lane.
So when we was in our jukejoints or whatever, we stayed.
They weren't allowed in, weweren't allowed in their places
and they weren't welcoming ours.
And this is how it went.
But now, even as we see evidenceof today how not just on the
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white society but with, uh, allother groups period are always
concerned about what we're doing.
When I say we, I'm talkingabout the foundational black
americans, the fba freedmen, I'mtalking about us from our
lineage, people always worryingabout what we thinking, what we
think about this, what we doing.
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They're always looking whatthey doing over there.
What y'all think about this,what y'all think about that,
what y'all think about, um, theisrael, palestine thing, what
y'all think about this, whaty'all think about.
You're always asking.
Everybody's always concernedabout what we're doing and we
lately we just been chillinglike, listen, we cool, y'all go
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over there with that.
We good over here.
We, we on vacation right now.
Family, we on vacation rightnow.
From all of this madness, I meanwe still got things we got to
deal with, like the case downthere in Texas with Camelo
Anthony and that family.
We still got to watch thosethings and different things, the
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Sonia Massey thing right Outthere in Illinois.
Right, we still keeping an eyeon these things and we still
lending our energy to it.
But we all that other stuff weon vacation.
Look, we sat the election outand you seen what happened.
Listen, we chilling right now.
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We good, we relaxing right now.
Y'all go out there and protestand do whatever y'all gonna do.
We gonna stand behind the ropeand just chill over here, don't
worry about what we're doing.
But you see, everybody's comingto us.
They stay coming at us.
Look at the spaces when you goon Tariq's X-Space, they all be
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calling up the whites, whitepeople, people from the diaspora
, people from the Caribbean, allcalling up.
Well, you know, worrying aboutwhat we're doing, we're not
worrying about nobody, we're notsweating, nobody else.
We on vacation, we taking ahiatus and we're focusing on our
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energy, on our concerns.
And this is what was botheringmost people and upset most
people.
You know what I'm saying.
You understand what I'm talkingabout family.
And this was what the thing wasin this film the vampires.
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They came and tried to get inthe club.
Now the thing, uh, historicallythe the tale, the thing with
the vampires is they can't comeinto your home unless you invite
them.
And see, there was a lesson inthat for us.
You know, we always and we'vehistorically we've always
invited people in because wewanted people to share in our
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joy and things we were doing.
Come on in your family, come onin.
Come to the cookout, come tothe barbecue, come on in, we got
a plate for you.
Come in, you'll sit down, havea seat, take your hat and your
coat off, get cozy, getcomfortable.
You're comfortable.
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And the same, the same peoplethat we invite in and make them
comfortable and cozy with us, isthe ones to turn around and put
their foot in our back.
And we learned this, we learnedthis right.
And now we're saying, nah, waita minute, we ain't doing that.
And all the the movie addressed.
All of that was in it.
It was crazy family.
I don't want to give away toomuch, but it's the second week
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out, so people should havealready seen this film by now.
I've seen it twice and I thinkI'm going to go back for a third
time, just for the hell of it,because I know you can't just
look at it once.
You have to, because there's somany hidden gems in it, things
that I saw the second time thatI missed.
On the first one I caught.
In the second one, in thesecond viewing, I caught it and
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I was like, oh wow, I didn'teven notice that in the first
one.
And you come back and youlisten to other people doing
reviews on it and you go back,you see it again.
You're like, ok, you pick up onthat, and then you pick up on a
little bit more.
This is what happens.
So now, right, I got a littlemore.
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Then I did the first time.
So what I'm saying is how can Igo back to it?
Yeah, as long as they kepteverything guarded and stayed
with each other and stayedfocused on their little
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community, they was fine.
The minute you invite outsideenergies into our inner circle
is when we start having problems.
And there's a lesson in thisRight, and this goes back to
pre-civil rights.
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When we were segregated, we hadall these businesses we had.
Uh, we had everything we needed.
In our own community we hadeverything we needed.
And this is why they they burntdown all of the townships and
black wall streets around thecountry because they seen we
were self-sufficient, because wehad no choice.
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We had no choice other than tosupport each other and depend on
each other, and that's what wedid, and we did it so well.
You know, you go to any littleblack town around the country,
because we had hundreds of them.
You go to a little black town.
They they had a tailor, theyhad a barber, they had
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restaurants, they had littlehotels, they had churches, they
had little schools.
They had everything they needed.
Then, in some of the biggercities, like Winston-Salem,
north Carolina, they had big cabcompanies, checkered cab
companies.
They had bus lines.
I think Dr Claus said inWinston-Salem, north Carolina,
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it was like they had a bus fleet.
They had a fleet of 500 busesand it didn't just service black
areas.
They service white areas aswell, but they were based in
black communities the minute wedesegregated right the minute we
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did that.
We lost all of that stuff justabout damn near overnight.
We lost those those thingsbecause we so called integrated.
We never actually reallyintegrated, we just desegregated
because they never allowed usto integrate.
They didn't want us integratingwith them, they just made it
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where it was just a legislationpassed where we could go, spend
our money in theirestablishments and eat in the
restaurants with them, which Ididn't understand.
When I look back at thosethings, I don't understand why
that was so important for us,because that was it really a
part of being equal, and we gotto think this is this, is this
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is the thing that that togenerate the newer generation,
the younger generation, the GenX and the Gen Zers because I'm
Gen X and the Gen Zs and themillennials and the going down
the line to the younger, this iswhat they're looking at.
See now, like I said, the churchsome of the black church had a
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problem with this film.
Right, and in the movie it eventouched on that.
It took a little subtle shotsat the church because, um, and
at some point I guess I guessthis was a spoiler and I'm sorry
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I'm, but I gotta I gotta talkto you about it.
At some point, when thevampires finally did get into
the juke joints which the jukejoint represented our community,
right, when they finally got inand they that the leader of the
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vampire was going at the youngpreacher's son, right, he had
him and he had a hold of him andthe preacher's son, he started
what is that?
The Lord's Prayer.
He started doing the verses howdoes that thing go?
I forget it.
He starts saying his prayer.
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Right, it's common in thechurch, in the black church,
give us this day our daily bread, whatever that thing.
You know what I'm talking about.
I forget it.
But anyway, the vampire had ahold on the vampire.
It was like, yeah, you sayingthat to say what?
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Right, because it's not gonnakeep me off of you, I'm gonna
get you right.
But see now, if you for when?
You know, further back in themovie it was a.
There was a girl, um, one ofthe twins, baby mother, uh,
smoke, his, uh, this child'smother was.
The child had died.
In the movie, you know, thechild was already dead and he
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went to visit the grave and hehooked back up with the, with
the mother, but anyway, she wasa, a root worker.
She was a woman, a hoodoo woman, and that was another thing
that the church took a offenseto, that.
A lot of our people, even peoplethat were in the church, they
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would practice, they were hoodoopractitioners and we come from
a very agrarian culture talkingabout foundationals and freedmen
.
A lot of our family and people,our ancestors, were very
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spiritual and they connectedwith the spiritual world, with
the spiritual world, and theyused to do, they used to use
different remedies and stuffmedicine and they would dig up
because I can remember mygrandmother was one of those
practitioners of that, of thathoodoo, of that, of that, um,
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root work.
Because it's because all them alittle different, you got, you
got hoodoo, you have root workand you have a conjurer, a
conjurer that you know they dida lot of times.
People intertwine the three,but they all they.
They're different in their ownrights but it's all a part of
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our culture and I remember mygrandmother used to use
different rules.
Somebody was feeling bad orsomething like that, or sick or
whatever.
They would go dig up some redclay from somewhere.
If you had a swollen, you twistyour ankle or something, your
ankle was swollen, they used toget this red clay mud and put
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that on your ankle or your wrist.
You twist your wrist orsomething like that and it'd
swell up and they would put thaton the joint to bring the
swelling down and to relieve thepain.
You know a day or two of thatand you'd be like new again
because we were agrarian peopleand those roots you know, down
south they say roots.
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Because we were agrarian peopleand those roots, roots, you
know, down south they say roots,them roots put a root on you
boy.
She put a root on that boy.
That's what they used to say.
She put a root on that boy.
One guy in the back is sillylike that.
He ain't nothing wrong with him, but he got a root on him a
spell.
And those people were veryconnected to that spiritual
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realm.
And I'm going to tell you thistoo when you do go into the
history of that stuff, a lot ofthose white folks would come to
these conjurers and thesespiritual people for healing,
because them white folks wereafraid of that stuff.
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They didn't have the connectionto it like we did.
And, like I said, I canremember my grandmother using
roots and stuff like that, or ifsomebody was sick with a cough
or something, a fever orsomething like that.
She would cut an onion and putit on your chest and you know
that would bring the fever down.
And they had all different kindof little things.
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Because, remember these people,they didn't have the resources
to go to hospitals or to doctorsas we do today.
Right, we're talking about thiswas during early Jim Crow.
They didn't have resources togo jump in the car and go see no
doctor for a toothache oranything like that.
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They had to rely on theirconnection to nature in order to
get right I should say right.
So anyway, yeah, so there was awoman.
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She was in there and she waseffective.
She had made a little potionout of I think it was garlic and
pickle juice or something, andsome holy water and stuff like
that, and she was hitting themvampires with it and they was
backing up.
But now, when the head vampiredude got a hold to the
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preacher's son and was tellinghim you know cause?
He wanted his talent, he wantedthat kid's power, that kid
power, his guitar and his voicewas like a power and it touched
that in the film.
It touched it because ittouched, it encompassed the past
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music, our past, music, ourpresent and the future.
And it addressed all of that.
I don't want to give that awayto you, so I'm not, I'm almost a
brother of war, but that wasthe obsession with this vampire,
with this preacher's kid, right, and as he had a hold of him,
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so the preacher's kid, he didn'tknow nothing else but to rely
on what he knew from his father,and that was the Bible, and
started saying verses because heknew there was something evil
in front of him that had a holdof him and he remembered what
his father said If you, son, ifyou play with the devil too long
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, he eventually will follow youhome.
And he went to the Lord'sprayer right away, right, and it
wasn't working on a vampire.
So this is why a lot of youngChristian community took offense
to the film because they feltlike it downplayed the Bible and
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God's word and stuff like that.
And that's not still thereality.
And here's the reality Whitesupremacy.
Historically in this country,white supremacy was based in
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Christianity.
They were Christian people.
Those people would leave theirchurch from a service, from
hearing so-called God's wordright Preaching God's word.
They would leave out of achurch and go hang a black woman
and her children in a tree.
These are Christian people wetalking about Now.
I'm not taking any pot shots atChristianity here.
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That's not what I'm doing.
I'm talking about historicalfact.
The Bible was forced on usduring slavery and it was a
manuscript.
The book was a manuscript.
The kid, that King James Biblethat they gave us and told us
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this is what your salvation is.
This is what you believe inhere.
That book was a manuscript Toenforce their evil.
That's just a fact.
Am I calling the faith itselfevil?
That's not my call to make.
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You have to determine that.
What I'm saying here is ahistorical fact.
They used that book that bookwas a manuscript for what they
were doing and to justify and tokeep us meek, humble and
passive.
Now you take that and do whatyou will with it.
(38:03):
Maybe you don't want to listento the program anymore.
You feel offense to it.
If you're christian, I havenothing.
I was just speaking in it.
I was just on um, this brother,he, he's a christian brother, a
youtuber.
Uh, his name of his podcast isthe uh, righteous perspective,
and he's he's, uh, his name iswise, heeous Perspective, and
his name is Wise.
(38:25):
He hosts that space and I wasjust on a panel discussion with
him and some other Christianpeople and I seen them as my
family, they foundational people.
That's my family, christians orwhatever.
I have nothing against that.
I have nothing against that.
I have nothing against islam orthe hebrew.
(38:45):
I got one of my great friends.
Hebrew is like we argue all thetime, but between me and him I
wouldn't get up here and try togo at the hebrews, but we we go
at it all the time.
Good friend of mine, I don'tlisten.
If that is what you need to getyou to be better, so be it.
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I've practiced religion.
I was raised up as a Christian.
As a child, you know, weweren't religious, christian
religious like going to churchevery Sunday.
That wasn't.
My mother didn't make us do thatbecause she didn't go to church
every Sunday, you know, and Ithink because she's seen some of
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the hypocrisy in it or whateverand same with my father.
He didn't make us go to church.
If you know, my mother wentfrom.
She did go sometimes.
She went.
She didn't go every Sunday andshe didn't make us go Now.
We went occasionally, we wentwhen she would go.
She would, uh, yeah, come on,I'm going to church, so we gotta
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go with her.
You know, we kids, so we wouldgo, but as far as every Sunday
and Bible study.
And now I wasn't raised up likethat and well, all we would do
doing church is laugh, becausewe was laughing at the preacher,
you know, would be up theredoing all that howling and
yelling and carrying on.
We would just be laughing.
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So it never.
The church never took hold ofme like that, where I was like
you know, I was never into itlike that and I always felt me
personally.
I always felt it was.
I was more and I was a MalcolmX type of Black Panther type of
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guy kid growing, you know I wasrebellious, I was.
My mother said that.
She said, son, I knew you wasgoing to be a problem because
you was rebellious from the timeyou was in the crib.
You was rebellious from birth.
I saw it, I saw it in you, sothat's, that's where I always
been at with it, but you know,but I'm veering off a little bit
(40:52):
and we are going to stay.
I just want to come up here anddo the review on the movie this
week and talk about that, butanyway, yeah, back to the movie.
It was so serious, man, andthen it was, uh, there was some,
you know, because during thattime there were, there were
asian people in the south atthat time, or in mississippi,
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there, and there was an asianfamily there that had a like a
little store, general store thatthey would, because during
those times they were like theneutral class group between
whites and blacks.
They would service white, thewhite community, and they would
service also the black communitybecause, remember we talking
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about Jim Crow we couldn't go,we weren't allowed to go in in
white stores and stuff like that, and they wouldn't patronize
our businesses.
But anyway, the Chinese peoplewere like a neutral thing, so
they were Chinese there andthere was a family in this movie
and then the husband and wifethey were helpful with the juke
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joint, wife, they were helpfulwith the juke joint.
But again, when the vampirescan't come in unless you invite
them in, then it was a partwhere she got all hysterical
because, um, there was a girl inthere and I forget her name.
I should have wrote it down andhad it, because she's actually
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her father in real life.
She's an actor, her father isblack and she played like a
tragic mulatto in the film andwhen the vampires first tried to
come and get in, get into theclub, and you know because,
because the twins came to thedoor, because the bouncer told,
told, told her, told him, go, go, go, get the twins and tell
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them come in, you got a problemat the door because these
vampires were trying to get in.
They looked at funny and they,they came in peace at first,
like, oh, we just, we put wemusicians and we want to come in
and play and have a good oldtime and spend some money with
y'all.
That's the democrats, we alljust one big family, right?
Remind you of the democrats,right?
(43:06):
But anyway, so they, they goand everybody's coming to the
door.
Now smoke, I mean, uh, stackshad a relationship with this, uh
, mulatto woman.
She was half black, half whiteand she comes to the door and
she's you know, she's there withstack and his brother and a
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couple other people to conjure awoman.
They all at the door and theylooking at these vampires, like
what y'all want here?
So the vampires say, oh, wecan't come here.
Oh, because our skin is white.
And I think one of the vampiressaid well, what's she doing in
there?
She's white.
So the conjurer woman says toher but she's family, that's why
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she's in here.
The woman was, she was partblack and she had her mother,
had helped give birth to thetwins when they were born.
She um, helped their mother outwith the labor and stuff like
that.
She partially raised the twins.
The mulatto woman Her motherpartially raised the twins.
So they were like a family.
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And, like I said, this woman,she could pass for white.
She was actually black but shecould pass for white and that
was what they would call thetragic mulatto.
But anyway, when they turned thevampires away from from the
club or whatever, they went ondown the road and she went down
there, she, she told stack that,um, let me go because they're
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gonna tell me more than they'regonna tell you, because they
think I'm white.
So they're going.
They're gonna talk to me morethan they would talk to you.
She went down there talk tothem and found out they was.
They was on some other kind ofthing and she.
She tried to bounce and theyended up biting her and she got
in, got infected, she became oneof them, but she went back to
the club and walked in becausethey let her in, because she,
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she, she had been there allnight, so they let her in and
that's where the infestationstarted with her.
That's right there.
And, and you get the gist of it.
As the movie goes on, you'llget it.
Why we should not?
We should always gatekeep.
And Delroy Lindo let me saythis before we depart because
I'm getting to get out of hereDelroy Lindo was was doing an
(45:22):
interview and somebody asked hima question about his thoughts
on the movie and he said youknow, when he was doing research
for the character for DeltaSlim, he did an excellent role.
Delroy Lindo is an excellentactor.
He's a London, united, uh,united kingdom, born, but he's
(45:44):
his, his background.
He's come from a jamaicanancestry, his, his family is
jamaican, but he's an excellentactor and he's always shown, uh,
the utmost respect for ourculture and our community.
Let me say that, and I rockswith del delroy lindo.
He's an.
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I even met him in person and hewas, he was good, good brother,
man, good brother, and I lovehis acting.
I will, I will go see anythinghe's a part of, I will go see it
and support it, and I love himas an actor and and he seems
like a wonderful human being,let me say say that.
But he says something veryimportant that we should all
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take here too, and that is knowyour history.
Talking about foundationals,friedman, our lineage, know your
history, know the value of yourhistory.
This is why I get up here onthis microphone every week and
do what I do, because I'm tryingto bring out and express the
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value and the greatness and therichness we come from.
Every community should do that.
Every whether you white, black,brown, red, yellow, green every
people of every ethnicityshould do that.
People of every ethnicityshould do that.
Know your history andunderstand the value of your
(47:07):
history.
Because we have a very we comefrom a very rich, valuable
history in this nation.
If it wasn't for us, thisnation wouldn't be what it is
now the great superpower andrich, big, beautiful place that
everybody's trying to get to.
Beautiful country.
I love this place.
Also to gatekeep and protectyour history.
(47:35):
You see how they're trying toerase everything now.
You see how they're trying toerase everything.
They want to take things out ofschools, know history books and
stuff and don't want to talkabout the slavery and things
like that.
We have to preserve their catsalready out the back, so it's
too late for that.
So we have to reserve thesethings.
We have to support institutionslike the schomburg research
(47:59):
center here in new york city,which we know it as the
Schomburg Library, but it'sactually an institution and it
has our history in it.
The brother has the place downthere in Los Angeles.
The Hidden History Museum, withall without everything, is
dedicated to our history.
We have to protect and gatekeepthat.
(48:20):
You see what they're trying todo with these feder, federally
um sponsored institutions, theseblack history museums.
They're trying to close them ortrying to defund them and
different things.
So we can't rely on anyone elseto do that.
We have to do that.
We have to get up here,research the history and come on
these microphones and tell them.
(48:40):
Get on these YouTube channelsand tell our history, broadcast
them on these online TV andradio networks and tell our
story, very important history,because they tried they will
erase it and we've seen evidenceof that with the hip hop thing.
(49:03):
They tried to take the hip hop,the creation of it, away and
say all these other people wereresponsible for it and that's
where it was going, and another20, if we'd have let that go in
another 20 years or so, they'dbe like yo, I didn't have
nothing to do with hip hop.
That came from Latinos andJamaicans and Caribbean people.
(49:27):
Black Americans ain't hadnothing to do with hip hop.
That's where it would haveeventually gone.
But we put a stop to it rightaway.
We got on it and killed it.
And then the brother did thedocumentary the microphone check
documentary right, and, yeah,family.
(49:47):
But we're going to get ready toget out of here.
That's my review.
That's my review and I got moreto talk about.
It's just the time.
The time will not allow it, andbut we're going to part.
We're going to come back nextweek and hopefully talk about
some more stuff and it shouldall be good.
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It should all be good.
But anyway, man, we're going toget ready to blow out of here.
We're going to get ready toblow out of here.
We're going to leave you with alittle something.
Probably.
We're gonna get ready to blowout of here.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
We're gonna get ready to blow out of here.
We're gonna leave you with alittle something.
Papa's here, papa's here whatyou come back for?
You throwing a big eventtonight.
Your money come with blood.
All money come with blood.
(50:45):
All money come with blood.
Baby, listen here, this ain'tno house party.
Y'all ready to drink?
Y'all ready to sweat?
Speaker 2 (50:53):
till y'all stink.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
You want some?
That's what I'm saying.
You keep dancing with the devil.
One day he's gonna follow youhome.
I wanna See what I hearCrickets do.
(51:15):
I Wanna See.
I wanna Still hurts coming back.
(51:38):
Why you here?
Smoke, smoke.
Why you here?
Why you're here, smoke, smoke.
Why you're here.
Our daddy was an evil man andhe passed that evil down to us.
We've been gone a long time.
We back now.
You twins, nah, we cousins.
There are legends of peoplewith the gift of making music.
So true, it can conjure spiritsfrom the past and the future.
This gift can bring fame andfortune.
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It can conjure spirits from thepast and the future.
This gift can bring fame andfortune.
Will somebody take me in yourarms?
But it also can pierce the veilbetween life and death.
Listen here, this ain't nohouse party.
(00:44):
Take me in your house partyShit.
Y'all ready to drink, y'allready to sweat till y'all stink.
You want some?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
You keep dancing with the devil.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Careful boy, You're gonna bite off more than you can
chew Love you.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
One day he's gonna follow you home.
You thought it was a problem,y'all.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
What the hell going on?
Oh, we heard tale of a party.
This world already left you fordead.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I can save you from your fate.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
You don't need no saving.
Yes, you do, and you are.
I am your way out, don't cryhe's all better now I don't
believe in magic ghosts, demons.
(01:46):
I don't believe in magic Ghosts, demons, just power.
Somebody please take me, takeme, take me.
We gonna kill every last one ofyou.
Hey, I didn't mean to scare you, thought y'all done forgot
(02:23):
about me in here.
Come on, open the door.
Let me on out of here.
Stay, it's you, of course, it'sme.
Open the door, that ain't yourbrother.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Love to you.
You know, it's me only thing.
I think I shat myself.
Yo, what's happening?
Peace, peace and welcome back.
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Welcome back, freedman'sAffairs, radio Freedman's
Network, your host here, vaughnBlack.
Let me get these levels rightand right out the gate.
We want to thank you fortapping back in on today, april
29th 2025.
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Wisdom born, wisdom born family, and that brings about
knowledge, knowledge, OK, so I'mhere and we're going to get
right into it.
Of course, the hot topic is theSinners movie, and I'm going to
(03:44):
do my review up here, and Iwent to see it twice Because and
I may go a third time becauseit was it was so many gems in
the movie.
In the movie, first of all,let's give a big, a big, big
(04:07):
applause to Ryan Coogler forputting this together, producing
this, and I think he directedit and it was distributed
through Warner Brothers Studios.
And also to Michael B Jordan,who was the principal actor in
(04:30):
the film, who played twocharacters, smoke and Stack
Twins.
And also I want to give a big,big applause to, or a salute to,
actor Delroy Lindo, who playedDelta Slim in the movie.
(04:50):
And this I'm when I'm tellingyou family, what I'm telling you
is this one here.
They got it right.
They got it right, he got itright and it's shaking the, it's
shaking Hollywood up.
The first week, cause it wasreleased on April 18th, the
(05:11):
first week, I think it did 48million.
Second week turned right backaround and did I'm I'm
understanding it 45 million,right, and this was a 90.
The budget for the film was 90million dollars.
That was the budget, right, andso far, domestically it has
(05:38):
grossed domestically well.
It has grossed 13 million andworldwide, worldwide, well,
total the total, that's the,that's the domestic growth.
The total gross, uh,domestically is 123 million.
(05:59):
So they done made money off thefilm already.
And worldwide check this outfamily worldwide the film has
done $161 million grossworldwide.
Now, we're not even talkingabout merchandise and you know
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posters and stuff like that.
We're not even talking aboutthat.
And this movie is a relief.
Like I said, under WarnerBrothers in the United States it
was in 3,000 theaters, 3,347theaters nationwide, right, $90
(06:41):
million budget.
It's the second week it's beenreleased.
It's the second week it's beenreleased.
It's 10 days now, well, 11 days, well, 11, 12 days now it's
been released and this movie isdoing great.
Will it get Oscars from theAcademy Awards?
I don't know.
I'm hoping so.
(07:02):
I'm hoping so because thereason why it's hitting so right
with me is because the moviewas so cultural.
It was depicted and it wasabout our culture, fba
Foundation of Black AmericanFreedmen culture that's what it
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was this movie was based in, Ithink it was 1932, a place
called Clarksdale, mississippi,right, and this is right after
emancipation.
You know a little out ofemancipation.
You know this is during the JimCrow era and I definitely can
(07:50):
identify with the Jim Crow erabecause in my family my
grandparents andgreat-grandparents were living
during that time Jim Crow South,and that lasted.
When did Jim Crow actuallyofficially well, did it end?
I don't have that in front ofme.
(08:11):
Let me see Can I pull that up,let me see Can I pull it up.
I mean, let's go to it.
Yeah, see, I was born.
I was living doing Jim Crowbecause this is around the year
I was born.
I was living doing Jim Crowbecause this is around the year
I was born.
Jim Crow era officially endedin 1965 with the passage of the
(08:34):
Civil Rights Act of 1964.
So, and the Voting Rights Actof 1965.
Yeah, so, yeah, family, that JimCrow South, this and this, what
this was based on in a littletown in Mississippi, clarksdale,
and that's the MississippiDelta down in there.
And man, I got to tell you, boy, this movie hit home.
It hit home really, reallyswell, it hit on all cylinders.
(08:57):
And again, once again, saluteto the producer of the film,
ryan Coogler.
I think he produced and filmedit, I believe directed it,
produced and directed it Right,and very, very, oh, I can't.
I'm trying to think of wherecould I begin.
Hold on, let me get some musicback in.
(09:18):
Trying to think of where couldwe start other than, yes, it was
Jim Crow crow, south clogsdale,mississippi.
Two brothers, two twins, uh uh,smoking stack smokestack, the
smokestack twins played bymichael b jordan.
Right, they were from that,that town in mississippi, that
(09:40):
little town.
They was there, born and raisedthere, and they, as a story
would happen, they end upkilling their father.
Their father used to abuse thetwins and they end up killing
them.
And they went off and went awayto Chicago and they got into
the gangland thing in Chicagowhere they even encountered Al
(10:03):
Capone.
From what the story was saying,you know.
Anyway, they 1932, they decideto go back to Mississippi.
They made their money inChicago and they said they were
going to go back home and theywent back and the plan was to
which they did.
They opened up a juke joint, asthey were notoriously called
(10:30):
juke joints.
It was a place the juke jointswere a place that you could go
and just let your hair down andjust be yourself.
There was no judgment, unlikethe church.
The church was very judgmentaland they touched on those things
throughout the movie.
They touched, they touched onon that, on the church thing
throughout the movie and this iswhy there was a lot of
(10:53):
christians.
Well, not well, I don't know,but there was some christians
that I saw online, you know,from the black church, and they
were talking against the movieand they was advising people to
not go see the movie because itwas very offensive to the church
.
They did uh take swipes at thechurch, but I don't think it was
(11:14):
.
In my opinion it was nothingcrazy or over the top.
They just gave, they just spokewhat, what the reality is.
That's, that's what they spokeon in the movie.
I don't think the brother wastrying to to uh disrespect the
church or this uh, or to try toundermine the church in any kind
(11:35):
of way.
I'm talking about the ryancoogle.
I don't think he was trying todo that, but he was just telling
the reality of what it is.
The church was very judgmentalduring that time and they
thought the blues were worldmusic, it was worldly music.
(11:57):
In other words, it was evil,devil, devil music, right, this
is what they called it devilmusic.
And they didn't want people ofthe church indulging in those
kind of things in the worldlythings.
So there was a duality betweenthe church, the black church,
and the juke joints.
(12:17):
See, the juke joint was veryspiritual in its own right
because that blues music theyused to listen and dance to,
that blues music was born out ofthe pain that foundational
blacks and the freedmen weregoing through.
They'd be out in the fields,and it even would touch out in
(12:40):
the fields.
They'd be out there hummingMm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Mm-hmm, and that's what the blues were born out of.
There was a little bit ofgospel.
Like I said, there was aduality between the two because
the gospel music was part of ourthing too.
There was a lot of pain in thatin the gospel.
If was part of our thing too,and that was, there was a lot of
pain in that in the gospel, ifyou listen to a lot of it, some
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of those early Mahalia Jacksonrecordings you know,
unmistakably unmistakable.
So anyway, yeah, so that'swhere people would go to the
other side of the town.
They'd cross the tracks overthere to the juke joints or up
the road to the juke joints andthat's where people would go and
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let their hair down.
They could go in there, theycould cry, they could laugh,
they could sing, they coulddance, they could eat some food,
drink some liquor and you know,we was drinking whiskey and
stuff then whiskey and moonshineand drink them spirits and have
a cold beer after working allday in that hot heat.
(13:59):
And we talking about a time thisis Jim Crow South, this is
after emancipation.
So we have a little moreliberties, if you will, if after
emancipation.
So we have a little moreliberties, if you will, if you
can call it that.
We had a little more libertiesto do.
Things weren't just relegatedto the stay on the plantation.
We could go to town after youwork and pick your cotton,
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because they were still pickingcotton, doing Jim Crow.
They were still picking cottonbecause my mother and father
picked cotton, picked it.
I mean, they picked cotton,plenty of it.
I tell you, my grandparentswere sharecroppers.
Well, on my father's side theywere sharecroppers and they
picked cotton.
My mother picked cotton, myfather picked cotton.
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And so these places were, youknow, could, especially on
friday, saturday, you could goand you know, get you some food,
get you some nice hot friedfish and some chicken, a piece
of chicken and, and you know,get your sandwich and play cards
(15:00):
.
They would have a littlegambling going on in the joint
in the back room or whatever.
It was just a place you canjust go, get down and just let
it all out, and it was a lot ofpain that they were letting out.
This is how the blues musicformed and a lot of the genres
of music that came after.
The blues came into creationbecause of the blues.
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That's why they call it thatthe blues Singing.
The blues came into creationbecause of the blues.
That's why they call it thatthe blues.
Singing the blues, you're blue.
What's bothering you so much,that got you so down, and those
people were talking about thatin the music.
Muddy Waters and all of themguys, howlin' Wolf, you know, in
fact, howlin' Wolf, you know infact Howlin' Wolf made that
(15:50):
song, smokestack Lightning, andthat's what those two twins were
, the Smokestack twins, and itwas a great movie.
It's a great movie and I wouldadvise those of you who tune in
every week or who tune inperiodically, I would advise to
(16:13):
go see the movie Now.
Can you take that?
I think you could take kidsthere.
There was, there's some cursingin it and there's some explicit
overages in the movie, sexualoverages, but there was nobody
that took their clothes off.
There was no nudity.
There weren't a whole lot oftwerking and all that going on
(16:36):
and boochy popping all throughthe movie.
It wasn't none of that.
There was sexual overages insome of the language, but you
didn't see any nudity and youdidn't.
There was a love making scenebetween Smoke and his.
Well, let me not give it away.
Let me not give it away.
I don't want to give it forthose of you who haven't seen
(16:58):
the movie, I don't want to giveup no spoilers here, but anyway,
great film.
It was very let me say thisvery symbolic.
It was a lot of if you will, alot of Easter eggs in it, a lot
of symbolic things in it, and itwas loaded.
(17:23):
It was loaded with Easter eggsLoaded.
When I say Easter eggs not thatI believe in Easter, we talk
about Easter egg hunt with thekids.
You can find a lot of jewels.
In other words, it was a lot ofhidden jewels in it.
Some of them were more overtthan others, but it was a lot of
(17:44):
jewels in it.
Family.
Now it's supposed to be like a,like a horror film.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
To me it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
You know, it had vampires in it.
The vampires, in how Iperceived the movie, the
vampires were representation ofwhite supremacy.
Now you had the Klan.
They were there, they were, youknow, they were in it.
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They didn't have on the robesand stuff, but the Klan they
were a part of it and I wouldview them as like the
Republicans, like most blackpeople would perceive the
Republican Party, and thevampires to me, me, the way I
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saw it, dave's side of whitesupremacy represented the
Democrats because in the film itwas the vampires they were.
They were.
I played the trailer in the verybeginning, in the opening right
, and the vampires were.
They were obsessed with the onedude preacher, the preacher's
(19:00):
son.
They call him preacher and thiskid could play.
He was the twins, youngercousin and this kid could play
that guitar like a something outof this world.
He played that guitar and hecould sing.
Yeah, he had the vocals.
And the vampire leader, remickI think his name was Remick or
(19:26):
something like that.
He was obsessed with this kid.
He wanted the powers from thiskid.
Like the Democrats are alwayscoming to us and they think was
when they came to the spot theywanted to get in.
They couldn't get in because weyou know we was in those days
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we were very leery of whitefolks, unlike now where you got
a lot of people, love sucking upto white folks and they want to
be around them and want to be apart of them.
You know, back then, in themdays, we knew what it was and we
stayed on one side of the track.
They stayed on the other side.
It was segregated like nothingelse we ever seen and everybody
(20:11):
stayed in their lane.
So when we was in our jukejoints or whatever, we stayed.
They weren't allowed in, weweren't allowed in their places
and they weren't welcoming ours.
And this is how it went.
But now, even as we see evidenceof today how not just on the
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white society but with, uh, allother groups period are always
concerned about what we're doing.
When I say we, I'm talkingabout the foundational black
americans, the fba freedmen, I'mtalking about us from our
lineage, people always worryingabout what we thinking, what we
think about this, what we doing.
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They're always looking whatthey doing over there.
What y'all think about this,what y'all think about that,
what y'all think about, um, theisrael, palestine thing, what
y'all think about this, whaty'all think about.
You're always asking.
Everybody's always concernedabout what we're doing and we
lately we just been chillinglike, listen, we cool, y'all go
(21:17):
over there with that.
We good over here.
We, we on vacation right now.
Family, we on vacation rightnow.
From all of this madness, I meanwe still got things we got to
deal with, like the case downthere in Texas with Camelo
Anthony and that family.
We still got to watch thosethings and different things, the
(21:41):
Sonia Massey thing right Outthere in Illinois.
Right, we still keeping an eyeon these things and we still
lending our energy to it.
But we all that other stuff weon vacation.
Look, we sat the election outand you seen what happened.
Listen, we chilling right now.
(22:02):
We good, we relaxing right now.
Y'all go out there and protestand do whatever y'all gonna do.
We gonna stand behind the ropeand just chill over here, don't
worry about what we're doing.
But you see, everybody's comingto us.
They stay coming at us.
Look at the spaces when you goon Tariq's X-Space, they all be
(22:26):
calling up the whites, whitepeople, people from the diaspora
, people from the Caribbean, allcalling up.
Well, you know, worrying aboutwhat we're doing, we're not
worrying about nobody, we're notsweating, nobody else.
We on vacation, we taking ahiatus and we're focusing on our
(22:49):
energy, on our concerns.
And this is what was botheringmost people and upset most
people.
You know what I'm saying.
You understand what I'm talkingabout family.
And this was what the thing wasin this film the vampires.
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They came and tried to get inthe club.
Now the thing, uh, historicallythe the tale, the thing with
the vampires is they can't comeinto your home unless you invite
them.
And see, there was a lesson inthat for us.
You know, we always and we'vehistorically we've always
invited people in because wewanted people to share in our
(23:33):
joy and things we were doing.
Come on in your family, come onin.
Come to the cookout, come tothe barbecue, come on in, we got
a plate for you.
Come in, you'll sit down, havea seat, take your hat and your
coat off, get cozy, getcomfortable.
You're comfortable.
(23:57):
And the same, the same peoplethat we invite in and make them
comfortable and cozy with us, isthe ones to turn around and put
their foot in our back.
And we learned this, we learnedthis right.
And now we're saying, nah, waita minute, we ain't doing that.
And all the the movie addressed.
All of that was in it.
It was crazy family.
I don't want to give away toomuch, but it's the second week
(24:21):
out, so people should havealready seen this film by now.
I've seen it twice and I thinkI'm going to go back for a third
time, just for the hell of it,because I know you can't just
look at it once.
You have to, because there's somany hidden gems in it, things
that I saw the second time thatI missed.
On the first one I caught.
In the second one, in thesecond viewing, I caught it and
(24:44):
I was like, oh wow, I didn'teven notice that in the first
one.
And you come back and youlisten to other people doing
reviews on it and you go back,you see it again.
You're like, ok, you pick up onthat, and then you pick up on a
little bit more.
This is what happens.
So now, right, I got a littlemore.
(25:10):
Then I did the first time.
So what I'm saying is how can Igo back to it?
Yeah, as long as they kepteverything guarded and stayed
with each other and stayedfocused on their little
(25:34):
community, they was fine.
The minute you invite outsideenergies into our inner circle
is when we start having problems.
And there's a lesson in thisRight, and this goes back to
pre-civil rights.
(25:55):
When we were segregated, we hadall these businesses we had.
Uh, we had everything we needed.
In our own community we hadeverything we needed.
And this is why they they burntdown all of the townships and
black wall streets around thecountry because they seen we
were self-sufficient, because wehad no choice.
(26:17):
We had no choice other than tosupport each other and depend on
each other, and that's what wedid, and we did it so well.
You know, you go to any littleblack town around the country,
because we had hundreds of them.
You go to a little black town.
They they had a tailor, theyhad a barber, they had
(26:38):
restaurants, they had littlehotels, they had churches, they
had little schools.
They had everything they needed.
Then, in some of the biggercities, like Winston-Salem,
north Carolina, they had big cabcompanies, checkered cab
companies.
They had bus lines.
I think Dr Claus said inWinston-Salem, north Carolina,
(27:03):
it was like they had a bus fleet.
They had a fleet of 500 busesand it didn't just service black
areas.
They service white areas aswell, but they were based in
black communities the minute wedesegregated right the minute we
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did that.
We lost all of that stuff justabout damn near overnight.
We lost those those thingsbecause we so called integrated.
We never actually reallyintegrated, we just desegregated
because they never allowed usto integrate.
They didn't want us integratingwith them, they just made it
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where it was just a legislationpassed where we could go, spend
our money in theirestablishments and eat in the
restaurants with them, which Ididn't understand.
When I look back at thosethings, I don't understand why
that was so important for us,because that was it really a
part of being equal, and we gotto think this is this, is this
(28:08):
is the thing that that togenerate the newer generation,
the younger generation, the GenX and the Gen Zers because I'm
Gen X and the Gen Zs and themillennials and the going down
the line to the younger, this iswhat they're looking at.
See now, like I said, the churchsome of the black church had a
(28:29):
problem with this film.
Right, and in the movie it eventouched on that.
It took a little subtle shotsat the church because, um, and
at some point I guess I guessthis was a spoiler and I'm sorry
(28:52):
I'm, but I gotta I gotta talkto you about it.
At some point, when thevampires finally did get into
the juke joints which the jukejoint represented our community,
right, when they finally got inand they that the leader of the
(29:12):
vampire was going at the youngpreacher's son, right, he had
him and he had a hold of him andthe preacher's son, he started
what is that?
The Lord's Prayer.
He started doing the verses howdoes that thing go?
I forget it.
He starts saying his prayer.
(29:36):
Right, it's common in thechurch, in the black church,
give us this day our daily bread, whatever that thing.
You know what I'm talking about.
I forget it.
But anyway, the vampire had ahold on the vampire.
It was like, yeah, you sayingthat to say what?
(30:04):
Right, because it's not gonnakeep me off of you, I'm gonna
get you right.
But see now, if you for when?
You know, further back in themovie it was a.
There was a girl, um, one ofthe twins, baby mother, uh,
smoke, his, uh, this child'smother was.
The child had died.
In the movie, you know, thechild was already dead and he
(30:25):
went to visit the grave and hehooked back up with the, with
the mother, but anyway, she wasa, a root worker.
She was a woman, a hoodoo woman, and that was another thing
that the church took a offenseto, that.
A lot of our people, even peoplethat were in the church, they
(30:46):
would practice, they were hoodoopractitioners and we come from
a very agrarian culture talkingabout foundationals and freedmen
.
A lot of our family and people,our ancestors, were very
(31:06):
spiritual and they connectedwith the spiritual world, with
the spiritual world, and theyused to do, they used to use
different remedies and stuffmedicine and they would dig up
because I can remember mygrandmother was one of those
practitioners of that, of thathoodoo, of that, of that, um,
(31:29):
root work.
Because it's because all them alittle different, you got, you
got hoodoo, you have root workand you have a conjurer, a
conjurer that you know they dida lot of times.
People intertwine the three,but they all they.
They're different in their ownrights but it's all a part of
(31:51):
our culture and I remember mygrandmother used to use
different rules.
Somebody was feeling bad orsomething like that, or sick or
whatever.
They would go dig up some redclay from somewhere.
If you had a swollen, you twistyour ankle or something, your
ankle was swollen, they used toget this red clay mud and put
(32:14):
that on your ankle or your wrist.
You twist your wrist orsomething like that and it'd
swell up and they would put thaton the joint to bring the
swelling down and to relieve thepain.
You know a day or two of thatand you'd be like new again
because we were agrarian peopleand those roots you know, down
south they say roots.
(32:34):
Because we were agrarian peopleand those roots, roots, you
know, down south they say roots,them roots put a root on you
boy.
She put a root on that boy.
That's what they used to say.
She put a root on that boy.
One guy in the back is sillylike that.
He ain't nothing wrong with him, but he got a root on him a
spell.
And those people were veryconnected to that spiritual
(32:57):
realm.
And I'm going to tell you thistoo when you do go into the
history of that stuff, a lot ofthose white folks would come to
these conjurers and thesespiritual people for healing,
because them white folks wereafraid of that stuff.
(33:19):
They didn't have the connectionto it like we did.
And, like I said, I canremember my grandmother using
roots and stuff like that, or ifsomebody was sick with a cough
or something, a fever orsomething like that.
She would cut an onion and putit on your chest and you know
that would bring the fever down.
And they had all different kindof little things.
(33:40):
Because, remember these people,they didn't have the resources
to go to hospitals or to doctorsas we do today.
Right, we're talking about thiswas during early Jim Crow.
They didn't have resources togo jump in the car and go see no
doctor for a toothache oranything like that.
(34:01):
They had to rely on theirconnection to nature in order to
get right I should say right.
So anyway, yeah, so there was awoman.
(34:22):
She was in there and she waseffective.
She had made a little potionout of I think it was garlic and
pickle juice or something, andsome holy water and stuff like
that, and she was hitting themvampires with it and they was
backing up.
But now, when the head vampiredude got a hold to the
(34:43):
preacher's son and was tellinghim you know cause?
He wanted his talent, he wantedthat kid's power, that kid
power, his guitar and his voicewas like a power and it touched
that in the film.
It touched it because ittouched, it encompassed the past
(35:05):
music, our past, music, ourpresent and the future.
And it addressed all of that.
I don't want to give that awayto you, so I'm not, I'm almost a
brother of war, but that wasthe obsession with this vampire,
with this preacher's kid, right, and as he had a hold of him,
(35:29):
so the preacher's kid, he didn'tknow nothing else but to rely
on what he knew from his father,and that was the Bible, and
started saying verses because heknew there was something evil
in front of him that had a holdof him and he remembered what
his father said If you, son, ifyou play with the devil too long
(35:52):
, he eventually will follow youhome.
And he went to the Lord'sprayer right away, right, and it
wasn't working on a vampire.
So this is why a lot of youngChristian community took offense
to the film because they feltlike it downplayed the Bible and
(36:15):
God's word and stuff like that.
And that's not still thereality.
And here's the reality Whitesupremacy.
Historically in this country,white supremacy was based in
(36:35):
Christianity.
They were Christian people.
Those people would leave theirchurch from a service, from
hearing so-called God's wordright Preaching God's word.
They would leave out of achurch and go hang a black woman
and her children in a tree.
These are Christian people wetalking about Now.
I'm not taking any pot shots atChristianity here.
(36:56):
That's not what I'm doing.
I'm talking about historicalfact.
The Bible was forced on usduring slavery and it was a
manuscript.
The book was a manuscript.
The kid, that King James Biblethat they gave us and told us
(37:17):
this is what your salvation is.
This is what you believe inhere.
That book was a manuscript Toenforce their evil.
That's just a fact.
Am I calling the faith itselfevil?
That's not my call to make.
(37:39):
You have to determine that.
What I'm saying here is ahistorical fact.
They used that book that bookwas a manuscript for what they
were doing and to justify and tokeep us meek, humble and
passive.
Now you take that and do whatyou will with it.
(38:03):
Maybe you don't want to listento the program anymore.
You feel offense to it.
If you're christian, I havenothing.
I was just speaking in it.
I was just on um, this brother,he, he's a christian brother, a
youtuber.
Uh, his name of his podcast isthe uh, righteous perspective,
and he's he's, uh, his name iswise, heeous Perspective, and
his name is Wise.
(38:25):
He hosts that space and I wasjust on a panel discussion with
him and some other Christianpeople and I seen them as my
family, they foundational people.
That's my family, christians orwhatever.
I have nothing against that.
I have nothing against that.
I have nothing against islam orthe hebrew.
(38:45):
I got one of my great friends.
Hebrew is like we argue all thetime, but between me and him I
wouldn't get up here and try togo at the hebrews, but we we go
at it all the time.
Good friend of mine, I don'tlisten.
If that is what you need to getyou to be better, so be it.
(39:07):
I've practiced religion.
I was raised up as a Christian.
As a child, you know, weweren't religious, christian
religious like going to churchevery Sunday.
That wasn't.
My mother didn't make us do thatbecause she didn't go to church
every Sunday, you know, and Ithink because she's seen some of
(39:28):
the hypocrisy in it or whateverand same with my father.
He didn't make us go to church.
If you know, my mother wentfrom.
She did go sometimes.
She went.
She didn't go every Sunday andshe didn't make us go Now.
We went occasionally, we wentwhen she would go.
She would, uh, yeah, come on,I'm going to church, so we gotta
(39:50):
go with her.
You know, we kids, so we wouldgo, but as far as every Sunday
and Bible study.
And now I wasn't raised up likethat and well, all we would do
doing church is laugh, becausewe was laughing at the preacher,
you know, would be up theredoing all that howling and
yelling and carrying on.
We would just be laughing.
(40:11):
So it never.
The church never took hold ofme like that, where I was like
you know, I was never into itlike that and I always felt me
personally.
I always felt it was.
I was more and I was a MalcolmX type of Black Panther type of
(40:32):
guy kid growing, you know I wasrebellious, I was.
My mother said that.
She said, son, I knew you wasgoing to be a problem because
you was rebellious from the timeyou was in the crib.
You was rebellious from birth.
I saw it, I saw it in you, sothat's, that's where I always
been at with it, but you know,but I'm veering off a little bit
(40:52):
and we are going to stay.
I just want to come up here anddo the review on the movie this
week and talk about that, butanyway, yeah, back to the movie.
It was so serious, man, andthen it was, uh, there was some,
you know, because during thattime there were, there were
asian people in the south atthat time, or in mississippi,
(41:16):
there, and there was an asianfamily there that had a like a
little store, general store thatthey would, because during
those times they were like theneutral class group between
whites and blacks.
They would service white, thewhite community, and they would
service also the black communitybecause, remember we talking
(41:38):
about Jim Crow we couldn't go,we weren't allowed to go in in
white stores and stuff like that, and they wouldn't patronize
our businesses.
But anyway, the Chinese peoplewere like a neutral thing, so
they were Chinese there andthere was a family in this movie
and then the husband and wifethey were helpful with the juke
(42:02):
joint, wife, they were helpfulwith the juke joint.
But again, when the vampirescan't come in unless you invite
them in, then it was a partwhere she got all hysterical
because, um, there was a girl inthere and I forget her name.
I should have wrote it down andhad it, because she's actually
(42:22):
her father in real life.
She's an actor, her father isblack and she played like a
tragic mulatto in the film andwhen the vampires first tried to
come and get in, get into theclub, and you know because,
because the twins came to thedoor, because the bouncer told,
told, told her, told him, go, go, go, get the twins and tell
(42:45):
them come in, you got a problemat the door because these
vampires were trying to get in.
They looked at funny and they,they came in peace at first,
like, oh, we just, we put wemusicians and we want to come in
and play and have a good oldtime and spend some money with
y'all.
That's the democrats, we alljust one big family, right?
Remind you of the democrats,right?
(43:06):
But anyway, so they, they goand everybody's coming to the
door.
Now smoke, I mean, uh, stackshad a relationship with this, uh
, mulatto woman.
She was half black, half whiteand she comes to the door and
she's you know, she's there withstack and his brother and a
(43:28):
couple other people to conjure awoman.
They all at the door and theylooking at these vampires, like
what y'all want here?
So the vampires say, oh, wecan't come here.
Oh, because our skin is white.
And I think one of the vampiressaid well, what's she doing in
there?
She's white.
So the conjurer woman says toher but she's family, that's why
(43:49):
she's in here.
The woman was, she was partblack and she had her mother,
had helped give birth to thetwins when they were born.
She um, helped their mother outwith the labor and stuff like
that.
She partially raised the twins.
The mulatto woman Her motherpartially raised the twins.
So they were like a family.
(44:10):
And, like I said, this woman,she could pass for white.
She was actually black but shecould pass for white and that
was what they would call thetragic mulatto.
But anyway, when they turned thevampires away from from the
club or whatever, they went ondown the road and she went down
there, she, she told stack that,um, let me go because they're
(44:36):
gonna tell me more than they'regonna tell you, because they
think I'm white.
So they're going.
They're gonna talk to me morethan they would talk to you.
She went down there talk tothem and found out they was.
They was on some other kind ofthing and she.
She tried to bounce and theyended up biting her and she got
in, got infected, she became oneof them, but she went back to
the club and walked in becausethey let her in, because she,
(44:58):
she, she had been there allnight, so they let her in and
that's where the infestationstarted with her.
That's right there.
And, and you get the gist of it.
As the movie goes on, you'llget it.
Why we should not?
We should always gatekeep.
And Delroy Lindo let me saythis before we depart because
I'm getting to get out of hereDelroy Lindo was was doing an
(45:22):
interview and somebody asked hima question about his thoughts
on the movie and he said youknow, when he was doing research
for the character for DeltaSlim, he did an excellent role.
Delroy Lindo is an excellentactor.
He's a London, united, uh,united kingdom, born, but he's
(45:44):
his, his background.
He's come from a jamaicanancestry, his, his family is
jamaican, but he's an excellentactor and he's always shown, uh,
the utmost respect for ourculture and our community.
Let me say that, and I rockswith del delroy lindo.
He's an.
(46:04):
I even met him in person and hewas, he was good, good brother,
man, good brother, and I lovehis acting.
I will, I will go see anythinghe's a part of, I will go see it
and support it, and I love himas an actor and and he seems
like a wonderful human being,let me say say that.
But he says something veryimportant that we should all
(46:24):
take here too, and that is knowyour history.
Talking about foundationals,friedman, our lineage, know your
history, know the value of yourhistory.
This is why I get up here onthis microphone every week and
do what I do, because I'm tryingto bring out and express the
(46:47):
value and the greatness and therichness we come from.
Every community should do that.
Every whether you white, black,brown, red, yellow, green every
people of every ethnicityshould do that.
People of every ethnicityshould do that.
Know your history andunderstand the value of your
(47:07):
history.
Because we have a very we comefrom a very rich, valuable
history in this nation.
If it wasn't for us, thisnation wouldn't be what it is
now the great superpower andrich, big, beautiful place that
everybody's trying to get to.
Beautiful country.
I love this place.
Also to gatekeep and protectyour history.
(47:35):
You see how they're trying toerase everything now.
You see how they're trying toerase everything.
They want to take things out ofschools, know history books and
stuff and don't want to talkabout the slavery and things
like that.
We have to preserve their catsalready out the back, so it's
too late for that.
So we have to reserve thesethings.
We have to support institutionslike the schomburg research
(47:59):
center here in new york city,which we know it as the
Schomburg Library, but it'sactually an institution and it
has our history in it.
The brother has the place downthere in Los Angeles.
The Hidden History Museum, withall without everything, is
dedicated to our history.
We have to protect and gatekeepthat.
(48:20):
You see what they're trying todo with these feder, federally
um sponsored institutions, theseblack history museums.
They're trying to close them ortrying to defund them and
different things.
So we can't rely on anyone elseto do that.
We have to do that.
We have to get up here,research the history and come on
these microphones and tell them.
(48:40):
Get on these YouTube channelsand tell our history, broadcast
them on these online TV andradio networks and tell our
story, very important history,because they tried they will
erase it and we've seen evidenceof that with the hip hop thing.
(49:03):
They tried to take the hip hop,the creation of it, away and
say all these other people wereresponsible for it and that's
where it was going, and another20, if we'd have let that go in
another 20 years or so, they'dbe like yo, I didn't have
nothing to do with hip hop.
That came from Latinos andJamaicans and Caribbean people.
(49:27):
Black Americans ain't hadnothing to do with hip hop.
That's where it would haveeventually gone.
But we put a stop to it rightaway.
We got on it and killed it.
And then the brother did thedocumentary the microphone check
documentary right, and, yeah,family.
(49:47):
But we're going to get ready toget out of here.
That's my review.
That's my review and I got moreto talk about.
It's just the time.
The time will not allow it, andbut we're going to part.
We're going to come back nextweek and hopefully talk about
some more stuff and it shouldall be good.
(50:14):
It should all be good.
But anyway, man, we're going toget ready to blow out of here.
We're going to get ready toblow out of here.
We're going to leave you with alittle something.
Probably.
We're gonna get ready to blowout of here.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
We're gonna get ready to blow out of here.
We're gonna leave you with alittle something.
Papa's here, papa's here whatyou come back for?
You throwing a big eventtonight.
Your money come with blood.
All money come with blood.
(50:45):
All money come with blood.
Baby, listen here, this ain'tno house party.
Y'all ready to drink?
Y'all ready to sweat?
Speaker 2 (50:53):
till y'all stink.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
You want some?
That's what I'm saying.
You keep dancing with the devil.
One day he's gonna follow youhome.
I wanna See what I hearCrickets do.
(51:15):
I Wanna See.
I wanna Still hurts coming back.
(51:38):
Why you here?
Smoke, smoke.
Why you here?
Why you're here, smoke, smoke.
Why you're here.
Our daddy was an evil man andhe passed that evil down to us.
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