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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We'll find out tonight how much the Ali fight
took out of Frazier, if anything, and we'll find out tonight
just how good George Foreman isin punching and in taking a
punch.
I think he hurt Joe Frazier.
I think Joe is hurt.
Angie Dundee, ali's trainerright next to me, is saying that
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you may hear him Down goesFrazier, down goes Frazier, down
goes Frazier.
The heavyweight champion istaking the mandatory eight count
and Foreman is as poised as canbe in a neutral corner.
He is as poised as can be.
We have a minute left in thisfirst round and already this
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fight is proving it.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Peace, peace, and welcome back to Freedman's
Affairs Radio, the Freedman'sNetwork.
Let me turn this down a littlebit.
And how are you?
On this beautiful sunrise,march 25th 2025.
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Today's math, wisdom, power andthat borns God right.
And when we go to the 25thdegree and the 1 to 40 and ask
the question how long did ittake to make devil right?
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How long did it take to makedevil?
And the answer was how long didit take to make devil Right?
How long did it take to makedevil?
And the answer was it took 600years To graph devil From the
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black man Right.
And then we'll go to seventhdegree in that same 140,.
It asks the question how fastdoes the planet travel per hour?
And the answer was 1,037 andone third miles per hour.
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Just a little something for usto think about and keep in mind.
But anyway, the little piecethat I played, we're going to go
back to that.
That was from the fight inKingston, jamaica.
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Was it Kingston, that firstfight with Foreman and Frazier?
But anyway, family, as you'veheard, as you heard, friday the
21st, we lost the great, bigGeorge Foreman, the great
champion, big George Foreman, hedeparted from us.
Big George Foreman, the greatchampion, big George Foreman.
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He departed from us and, yeah,that's what it's been, and his
family released a statement onFriday and we here to pay
tribute to that, because he wasone of our greats.
I mean, george had well, let menot call him George, I didn't
know the man personally, but MrForeman had an amazing journey
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in life and there's a lot tolearn from him, right, and we're
going to touch on those things.
We're going to touch on some ofthose things up here.
So let's go back to the clip,and that was Howard Cosell, the
famous down goes Frazier, downgoes Frazier.
But let us go back to the clip.
Let us go back.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
What some have expected.
Oh, that left is getting inthere underneath, underneath,
archie Moore is yelling.
The foreman we've got theexcitement here that we look for
.
Frazier is dazed.
He is getting hit again andagain and again.
The same head that was hit sooften by Muhammad Ali Frazier is
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day.
You see the countdown for thefirst round.
Foreman has not panicked.
Foreman is going about his job.
Foreman is all over Joe Frazier.
Frazier is down again and hemay be.
No, he is rising, he is game.
He doesn't know where he is.
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The mandatory eight count.
He doesn't know where he is.
The mandatory eight count.
He doesn't know where he is.
Now the round is about to end.
Two knockdowns in the firstround of Joe Frazier Down again.
No saving by the bell, he's upand so the fight continues.
Three knockdowns in the firstround by George Foreman.
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The stool hasn't even beenbrought out yet for Frazier.
What excitement.
You're looking at Joe Frazier.
Yancey Durham over the crowd,shocked.
But the crowd here rooting forForeman, muhammad Ali, was their
hero.
Now you're looking in slowmotion the right for the first
knockdown, clean as a whistle.
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Oh, what a first round.
Well, back in Frazier's corneras you look at them working over
Joe, the ice pack at the backof the neck to restore the
center.
Let's go to the slow-mo for thesecond knockdown.
The right again Clean as aright again Fleen.
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It was a whistle again.
We're waiting for the start nowof round two.
There was no question about thefirst round.
Three knockdowns Now.
Joe is coming out.
Adam wants to come back in ahurry.
You'll not find a gamer manthan Joe Frazier.
Joe Frazier went down threetimes in the first round.
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A caution from Arthur McCanny.
Oh, he is all over Frazieragain.
He has Frazier in the corner.
Frazier's knees buckled.
He is about, he is down.
He is down for the fourth timein the fight.
George Foreman is doing to JoeFrazier what he did as a
19-year-old to a veteran Russian, a fellow named Iona Shapula,
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in October of 1968 in the MexicoCity Arena a quick left from
George.
Another Frazier is down for thefifth time in this fight.
Fifth time, Three times in thefirst round, Twice in the second
.
But can he Check his senses?
Check Frazier's senses?
It's target practice for GeorgeBrommer.
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It is target practice.
Frazier is ready to go again.
Joe is standing there.
He goes Three times, Threetimes.
The fight is stopped.
No, it is not, it is notstopped.
Angie Dundee is screaming stopit.
Bertie Pacheco, Ali's doctornext week.
It is over, it is over, it isover.
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In the second round.
George Foreman is theheavyweight champion of the
world and I'm going up into thatring to talk to Joe Frazier,
the loser, and to George Foreman, the winner, because Joe
Frazier has been a greatchampion and deserves
consideration.
Nancy Durham hugging him.
They're going crazy aboutGeorge.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah, yeah, that was amazing.
That was when George first wonthe championship.
When he first won, the titlewas against Frazier.
He knocked Frazier down sixtimes in that fight, six times,
six times in that fight, sixtimes.
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Now this was his firstchampionship fight for Big
George, foreman the first one,and he was afraid.
He revealed later that he wasreally afraid of Joe Frazier,
because Joe Frazier would justkeep coming at you.
There was no man tougher thanJoe Frazier.
Let's understand that.
And now all three of these menare gone Frazier, ali and
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Foreman.
Now Foreman is gone, and thosemen along with others, because
the heavyweight division was soloaded during the late 60s and
70s.
It was so loaded All of thegreats Ernie Shavers, kenny
Norton, george Savallo it wasjust stacked from top to bottom.
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It wasn't boxing wasn't like itis now.
I don't really even watchboxing.
I mean, mayweather got the lastof my attention.
And then you know guys likeTank Davis.
I love me some Tank, but boxingis no longer what it was.
It's very watered down now.
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These guys don't want to fighteach other.
Everybody wants to stayundefeated and nobody wants to
really fight.
In those days those guys fought.
I mean they fought Jimmy Young,ron Lyle Ron Lyle won it
between Ron Lyle Big, georgeForeman and Ernie Shavers and
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Joe you can add Joe Louis tothat also.
But they said those four right,there were some of the hard.
They were the hardest punchersever in boxing history.
Was those guys In later yearscoming in the 80s you got young
Mike Tyson coming up.
But see, the thing with MikeTyson was and let's make no
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mistakes about it Tyson wasreally afraid of George Foreman.
This is why they never foughtin George Foreman's second
career.
They never fought because Tysonwas actually afraid of him.
He didn't want nothing to dowith him.
But George revealed too hereally didn't want nothing to do
with Tyson, but Tyson wasreally afraid of him because he
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was such a big puncher.
Now, what made the differencebetween Foreman and Tyson was
let me get a bed back in here,hold on, hold on.
The difference between Tysonand Foreman was that Tyson was
so fast and those angles hewould come at, he was so
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explosive.
He had power.
Now Don't get it twisted.
Tyson had raw power, but not onthe level of George Foreman.
George Foreman fightersdescribed getting hit by George
Foreman.
It was like somebody hittingyou with a 50-pound bag of rocks
.
That's how it felt the force.
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He would hit you with the, notthe fists but the outside of the
fists, like you're banging onthe desk.
He would hit you with that andknock you cold Out cold, knock
you out or knock you down.
He would hit you with that andknock you cold out cold, knock
you out or knock you down.
He would hit guys so hard.
Big George Foreman hit guys sohard that they would actually
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turn their backs on him becausethe equilibrium was off and they
were dazed, they didn't knowwhere they were at, so they
would be actually turning theirbacks to him.
He would have them sodiscombobulated with the force.
Tyson didn't have that kind ofpower and Ernie Shavers was
another hard hitter like that.
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And then Ali said that when hefought Shavers he wasn't afraid
of forming but he was afraid ofShavers.
He said when he fought Shavershe would hold up a high guard
and his forearms would be thereand it felt like Shavers was
punching, it felt like he wasbreaking his forearms.
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That's how hard Shavers washitting.
Ron Lyon was another hardhitter.
This is what these licks upsidethe head I believe is what
caused Ali his deterioration,you know, with the Parkinson's
and everything, getting themlicks upside the head like that
by those kind of guys.
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Because he fought all of them.
He fought Ron Lyon, he foughtBig George and he fought Shavers
.
He fought all three of them andthose were some of the hardest
punches ever recorded in boxinghistory.
But back to george foreman.
Uh, let's see, can we get getsome um reporting in here.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Hold on, let me just pull it up here weight champ,
larger than life in every way,passed away today at the age of
76.
Foreman's rags-to-riches storyis the stuff of boxing legend.
Growing up impoverished, amugger and brawler on the
streets of Texas, he foundorganized boxing as a teen,
quickly rising to Olympic champat 24, and, at 24, stunning Joe
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Frazier to become theheavyweight champion of the
world.
His ascension as dramatic ashis fall to Muhammad Ali in the
famed Rumble in the Jungle matchto lose his title.
Yet after leaving the sport andbecoming a minister, he
returned to the ring over adecade later, a new man, and
then miraculously recaptured theheavyweight title at the age of
45 against Michael Moore, whowas 19 years, his junior.
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His popularity afterwards helpedhim make millions as a pitchman
, and his George Foreman grillernearly eclipsed his boxing fame
for a time.
But the legacy he leaves to usea boxing analogy is one where
he could be down but could neverbe counted out.
Foreman's family released thefollowing statement via his
Instagram account With profoundsorrow we announce the passing
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of our beloved George EdwardForeman Sr, who peacefully
departed on March 21st 2025,surrounded by loved ones, a
devout preacher, a devotedhusband, a loving father and a
proud grand and greatgrandfather.
He lived a life marked byunwavering faith, humility and
purpose.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
We welcome an ESPN Boxing commentator, mark Kriegel
.
Now, mark, it's almost likethere were two George Foreman's.
There was the guy who playedthe heavy, really the villain,
against Muhammad Ali and Zaire ahalf a century ago.
Let's talk about that guy first, tell us about the young George
Foreman.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
Well, if you look at boxing as a continuum, he was
somewhere between he was thescary guy, so he's between Sonny
Liston and Mike Tyson.
And you know Joe Frazier wasabout as tough a guy who's ever
laced up gloves.
He put him down six times and Ithink that really crystallized
Foreman's reputation asinvincible.
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Everybody.
You know who's going to putdown Joe Frazier six times and
it set up the rumble in thejungle, arguably as famous a
fight as ever there was for Ali,which of course left Foreman, I
think, psychiatrically scarred.
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You know he was the bully whowas undone against Ali and it
was probably Ali's finest moment.
It was what he did in therope-a-dope was pretty much
improvisational and it testedhis courage and it tested
everyone's limits in watchingthis.
How long can Ali do this?
And then, of course, you sawwhat happened.
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He turned it all around on thebully.
What's different about Foremanthan perhaps anyone else is the
idea, as you cited before, ofreinventing yourself.
It's uniquely American, butit's never been done this way in
boxing.
It wasn't just coming back as apreacher and a pitchman and
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selling hamburgers or grills orwhatever it was.
It was more purposeful than anyof us knew.
As far as boxing.
The previous oldest heavyweightchampion, I believe, was Jersey
Joe Walcott, who won when hewas 37.
Foreman came back when he wasjust shy of his 46th birthday, I
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think two months shy and and indoing it he it was his own kind
of rope-a-dope that nightagainst michael moore.
I'll never forget it.
He took punches, more, was areally skilled guy and he just,
he just beat him up for ninerounds, more did with a great
right right jab and all of asudden Foreman reaches out,
slaps him with the left hook andyou see that right hand, that
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thing traveled this far.
Boom, and it puts him out.
And it was.
It was an extraordinary,extraordinary comeback and I
think that across all the othersports are metaphors for what
boxing actually is, or metaphorsfor what boxing actually is.
But what Foreman did that nightwas the most sacred thing any
athlete can do.
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He defied time and he did it ina profound way, winning by
knockout in the 10th round aftertaking extraordinary punishment
for basically nine and a halfrounds.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Unbelievable, larger than life figure winning titles
in two different decades, 20years apart, had five sons,
named them all George.
Just just a colorful, if I canadd one thing yes, you know he
was.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
He didn't just reinvent himself.
He was a bad guy who came backas a guy who was universally
loved.
It's a very difficult thing todo in any piece of life.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Yeah, absolutely yeah .
He basically changed everyone'smind about himself.
And really a remarkable life.
Our boxing commentator, markKriegel, sharing some memories,
some insight into George Foreman.
Mark, thank you.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Yeah, and that was was he reinvented himself and,
like I said, we're going totouch on a little bit about that
.
And there was a, there was apiece that I had.
Well, two things I want to playup here.
I want to play this here.
This was the Dick Cavett show.
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And there was the guest thatnight was Joe Frazier, bill
Cosby and Jack Benny, and theytalked about the fight.
This is a few days afterForeman had beat Frazier.
Let's go to that a little bit,hold on.
Speaker 8 (18:42):
One thing that people have been saying about you was
Frazier never realized what abeating he had taken from Ali,
and that that's why Well, theway I feel about it, I'm not
going to give anybody a criticyou know what I mean for
something that another man did,you understand I'm not going to
give.
You know I don't want to takeany critic, that you know.
When Bob Foster put like maybe10 stitches in his eyes, I
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didn't say, you know, joeFrazier did it.
You know, when George Foreman,you know, stopped me, let's say
two weeks ago, I don't think Ishould give credit to Clay.
You know what I mean.
George caught me with the shot,so I think it was George that
really won the fight.
Is there any?
chance that he switched styleson you, since you had seen him
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fight before.
Well, no, he didn't switchstyles.
You know what I mean.
He just like come out and work.
You know what I mean.
And you know big, strong fella.
And I know one thing you ask mehow well that he fight.
I don't know.
But I can tell you one thing hepunch good.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
He punch very good.
That's a model.
I'll take your word for it.
Yeah, is there any uh truth tothe this sort of rumor that your
manager was always against yourfighting him?
Speaker 8 (19:53):
well, uh, fighting, I don't know uh you know,
managers and trainers and, uh,you know, they always against uh
, something that you getinvolved in.
You know what I mean.
But uh, sometime, you know, youtake a chance.
Well it, well, what?
As long as I've been fighting,I always had a tendency of
pushing my managers a littlefaster, you know, and I really
had to want to go and they hadto put me in.
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Uh, you know, keep fighting me,keep fighting thing a lot,
because I, like I, go prettyfast in the game, you know.
So.
Therefore, you know, uh, I hadto want to fight because I
didn't want the reputation oftrying to duck or shun anybody.
I'm a fighting champion.
I had to want to fight George,and I lost the fight fair and
square.
But you know what I say.
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Back to the drawing board now.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
Is it embarrassing to go out of the house the next
day or for a couple of days?
Speaker 8 (20:41):
No, not to me because you know what I mean.
I kind of put myself togetherfor a day like this.
I didn't expect a day to comeso early, you know what I mean.
But anyway I prepare myself,you know, by being kind and nice
to everybody.
I treat everybody like I liketo be treated.
You know what I mean.
So I wasn't the type of guylike I carried a whole flock.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Let me just comment real quick.
We're going to go back to theclip, but let me comment on that
.
You heard what Joe Frazier said.
He treated people as he wantedto be treated.
Now Foreman Foreman came outthe gate.
Uh, foreman was a big, meanmean dude, big bad, mean dude,
and the people didn't reallytake the form.
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In his first career in boxinghe wasn't really liked.
Now he followed because hisidol was Sonny Liston.
And Sonny Liston was anotherbig, bad dude, big mean bad dude
, sonny Liston.
He had those dudes petrified, alot like Mike Tyson.
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That's where Tyson fashionedhis aura around Liston.
Same with Foreman.
They followed Liston With thosecold stares they would stare at
during the fight.
When they come out to get therules from the ref.
They would.
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You know the stare down man.
Them guys would look straightthrough you and the fight would
pretty much be won at that pointbecause the fear, the fear
factor, those guys with thosecold, steely eyes would be
looking at you.
And you know, I only time Iever experienced that in life
was my father had eyes like that.
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He would look at you and itseemed like he would be cutting
through your soul and that's howthese guys look, but they got
that from Sonny Liston.
Both Tyson and Foreman got thatlook from Sonny Liston.
But let's go back to the clip.
Let's go back to the clip.
Let's go back to it.
Speaker 8 (22:50):
Let's finish listening to it along with me.
You know, I call the car a fewguys that, really that they own
the payroll and I paid them.
So after this day, shit arrived.
Then I don't know how to handlemyself.
So the next day I went out, youknow, and I went to my gym and
they had welcome home champ.
You know what I mean.
So I tell them you well, that'sgood too, and I go around like
today.
They asked me what I'm comingon your show.
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I said, well, why not?
I imagine you like to have meon the show and the people want
to see what you know what is allabout.
And the one listen to me.
So therefore I'm not gonna hidefrom it, you know, because I
got whoop.
You know I've been whooped onceyou know I got whooped a lot of
time from mama.
You know what I mean, but she isgood too.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I want to tell you something we have also laid eggs
.
You know, on the stage we'vebeen licked.
Speaker 9 (23:37):
We've been licked.
On the stage I run the bombwith a joke any day then I get
hit I'm not so sure are you me.
I rather late, don't let nobodyhit me.
Well, I guess it's, but I don'tlike the different on the stage
either.
Well, if I had my druthers,jack.
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If the guy said okay, joeFrazier is gonna hit you in the
forehead or you can tell a badjoke.
No, I would rather tell a badjoke.
Okay, but if I had a choice.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
I'm going to give you a bad joke?
No, if I had a choice of JoeFrazier hitting me but that same
night I did a terrific two-hourshow.
Speaker 9 (24:24):
Then I'd be all right .
Speaker 7 (24:26):
I'd say Joe Freer hit me, you'd take the punch in
exchange for doing the show andthen go out and do the show.
Speaker 9 (24:30):
No, you're not hitting me no time.
And on top of that I'd tell abad joke too, I guess that would
be the bad joke, Joey.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
did you want the fight to go on when you knew
they were stopping it?
Speaker 8 (24:52):
Well, after I found out that I had a bad like uh
cutting my lip, you know, I gotuh rubber cut, like my teeth
right the teeth, like you know,yeah, cut into it.
So therefore, you know, it wasno argument about, you know,
keeping the fight going onbecause I already been cut.
So therefore, I rather have mylip and then, you know, keep
trying to put it together didyou ever hear from from Ali
since this?
Well, no, I didn't.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yeah, yeah, that was Bill Cosby and Jack Benny with
the little sidebar there.
But you know what?
There was a famous line in amovie.
I think it was let's Do itAgain with Bill Cosby and Cindy
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Poitier and George Foreman had acameo there, and that cameo was
classic.
I'm going to play it here andlet you hear it.
Hold on a second.
Speaker 9 (25:43):
Hey, what happened out there, billy, we're clutched
up.
Yeah, I thought we were stuckto clutch.
See you tomorrow night at outthere, billy, my clutch stuck.
Yeah, I thought what stuck yourclutch.
See you tomorrow night at Lou'sBilly.
No, sir, no poker for me.
Taking my wife to New Orleansthis weekend.
You going to see the fight, no,just taking some shows.
Do a little dancing.
Speaker 8 (25:59):
What kind of dancing you going to do with them two
left feet?
You got there Two flat leftfeet.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Yeah, if you don't watch it, you may find a flat
left foot in your navel.
Yeah, you, and who else Just mechump and a flat left foot in
your navel Look out.
Speaker 8 (26:19):
now You're going to get your clutch stuck again.
Speaker 9 (26:21):
Watch your lips because they may get you into
something that your behind can'tget you out of and you may have
two left feet dead in yoursternum.
Speaker 8 (26:30):
I think we can get it on right now.
Speaker 9 (26:32):
What, what?
Right now, because I am tiredof you, man.
Every time you come around hereit's been words back and forth.
I'm sick of it.
I don't care how much you swellup, everything's swollen.
Keep an eye on him now.
Now, no wait, don't throw nopunches.
I'm going to talk to you forone second Now.
Look, let me tell you somethingBefore we get it on.
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I just want to tell yousomething.
This is all.
I love you.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yeah, that was from let's Do it Again.
That little piece was betweenBig George Foreman and Bill
Cosby.
That was classic, classic,classic stuff.
And anytime we lose people thatwe love and we recognize up
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here on the Freedmen's Network,we're going to come up here and
pay tribute to such a great oneas George, big George Foreman.
And I wanted to say back to thesecond part of his career.
He, when he left boxing thefirst time after losing to Jimmy
Young, because after he lost toAli he had one or two more
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fights.
But the real disappointmentcame when he faced Jimmy Young
and because he beat Ron Lyle heended up knocking Ron Lyle out
and he lost to Jimmy Young, whowas a virtual come up at the
time.
He was a newcomer and thatreally scarred him.
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The loss from Ali reallybothered him really bad and it
played scarred him.
The loss from Ali really itbothered him really bad and it
played on his mind.
But the loss to Jimmy Youngreally sealed his career, his
first career in boxing.
He went into a depression andthings like that and he left
boxing and he turned to thereligion, the faith.
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He turned a Christian, hebecame a minister.
Actually he became a preacher.
He was a minister, a pastor ofa big church there in Texas,
somewhere in there, becausepeople say he was born in
Houston.
He was not born in Houston.
He was born in the Fifth Ward.
Not born in Houston, he wasborn in the fifth ward, a place
called Marshall, texas, close tothe very close to Houston, that
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fifth ward area.
But fifth ward was very toughand he grew up robbing and
stealing and stuff like thatbecause the the area was a very
impoverished area and he had to,he had, he, he was, he was a
tough guy, guy, he was a ruffian, he was out there robbing
people and early then he wasknocking people out as a young
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teenager, you know.
And he led a life of crime.
However, he went into theOlympics and won and started his
career in boxing, but those, asI say, those losses to Ali and
then to Jimmy Young really puthim out.
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It sealed his first career andhe, he.
There was a 10-year hiatus thathe didn't fight and then he
came back 10 years later andwreaked havoc through the
heavyweight division and finallyhe lost to Holyfield and I wish
I could find that clip.
But in that fight withHolyfield now, holyfield won the
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fight.
Evander Holyfield won the fightbut he said one round George
had hit him in the mouth so hardthat when he was stuck and I
seen the clip, I seen it, Iwatched it over and over.
Ever since I got news of his um, his uh, departure on friday
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I've been watching news reelsand different clips of you know
a sports center and ESPN,different clips of him and in
that fight he had with EvanderHolyfield, holyfield had hit him
.
I mean, big George had hitEvander one time and he caught
him flush, caught him flush inthe face and there was a bell
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rung for the round to end butHolyfield was stuck and the bell
rung for the round to end butHolyfield was stuck.
And he said he was just sostunned, dazed, that he had to
gather his senses to make it tothe corner.
And he said, when he got to thecorner they took his mouth
guard out and Evander Holyfieldasked his corner, did he knock
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all my teeth out?
He said it felt like he hit himin the face.
And he said he felt like heknocked all of his teeth out.
This is how hard this man hitand, like I said, the
heavyweight division was stackedand loaded from top to bottom.
I just named some of them guys.
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Jimmy Young was a virtualcome-up, he was a newcomer.
Ken Norton of them guys JimmyYoung was a virtual come up, he
was a newcomer, ken Norton, andthose guys, these guys were
great champions, great fighters.
But moving on, talking aboutanother big fella, talking about
another, let me get the bedback in here.
Hold on, hold on, get thelevels right.
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Yeah, family, I'm talking aboutanother big guy.
Oh boy, oh boy, and most peopleseen this coming.
Most people saw this coming.
We're talking about Big U fromLos Angeles, from the rolling
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60s.
Hold on, I.
I had to.
Well, let me, let me put itback up here.
Yeah, they finally got heturned himself in.
(32:55):
I believe it was Friday.
He turned him.
I think it was Friday he turnedhimself in because they ran
down and raided like 19 or 20 ofthese guys from the rolling 60
crips out there in Los Angelesand you know, big U was one of
the heads, he was one of the topguys there for a long time with
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the Rolling 60s Crip set outthere in California and I think
it was 19 of them on thisindictment and he's been charged
and I got to tell you, family,I looked at the indictment.
I looked at the indictment.
I went on the government siteand pulled it up.
I'm telling you they loaded himup with charges and there was a
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15 year investigation from 2010.
They've been investigating thisdude and his activities.
It comes to no surprise to methat this happened, because now,
back when Nipsey Hussle, ourgreat brother, nipsey Hussle the
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rapper, when he was on Alive,there was talk circling around
that Big U's name came up inthis thing.
Right Now I don't know whetherhe has something to do with it
or not, I don't know.
I'm reporting because this iswhat I do.
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I don't have it.
I really as it's as it standsright now.
It's too early for me to forman opinion and I don't really
want to form an opinion.
I'm here to as as a, as aneutral party, just reporting.
What is?
What is out there Now, this,this I didn't bring in the
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actual indictment up here, butthis here is a is a press
release, a press release fromthe US attorney's office from
the Central District ofCalifornia.
This is the press release afterhe turned himself in or when
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they came down with thesesweeping indictments.
Right, and we're going to gointo it a little bit.
We're going to go into it.
I'm going to read a little bitof the indictment.
Hold on, let me just get mylevel here.
Okay, let's uh, let's pull itup and read.
So there's a long story here,but the indictment was longer
(35:37):
than this.
This did all of the language,the legal language.
That's why I said, you knowwhat, let me not bring
indictment up here.
Let me read from the, from thepress release okay, in its title
long time rolling 60s cripleader and show business
entrepreneur charged in federalcomplaint alleging racketeering
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crimes.
18 other rolling 60 60 membersand associates charged federally
.
Los Angeles, a longtime leaderof the South Los Angeles-based
Rolling 60's neighborhood Cripsstreet gang, who also is an
entertainment entrepreneur and aself-proclaimed community
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activist, has been charged in afederal complaint alleging he
ran a criminal enterprise thatcommitted a series of
racketeering crimes, includingextortion, human trafficking,
fraud and the 2021 murder of aninspiring rap musician.
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The Justice Departmentannounced today Eugene Henley Jr
, 58, aka Big U, of the HydePark neighborhood of South Los
Angeles, is charged in thecomplaint with conspiracy to
violate the racketeer,influenced and corrupt
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organization otherwise known asthe RICO Act and corrupt
organization otherwise known asthe RICO Act.
Two other alleged members ofthe criminal enterprise,
sylvester Robertson, 59, aka Vae, of Northridge, and Mark Martin
, 50, aka Bearclaw, of theBeverlywood area of Los Angeles,
were arrested today on the samecriminal complaint in which
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Henley is charged.
Roberson and Martin areexpected to make their initial
appearances this afternoon inUnited States District Court in
downtown Los Angeles.
Henley is considered a fugitive, so at this point he hadn't
turned himself in yet.
So they considered him as afugitive.
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So at this point he hadn'tturned himself in yet.
So they considered him as afugitive because they contact
you when they come in to get you.
They usually contact you or getword to you, some kind of way
that look, hey, we got this onyou, come on in and talk to us
and like that.
So they.
I'm quite sure I don't know ifI don't quote me on this, but
I'm quite sure he knew.
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Let's continue.
The allegations in thecomplaint unsealed today reveal
a criminal enterprise thatengaged in murder, extortion,
human trafficking and fraud, allled by a supposed anti-gang
activist and purported musicentrepreneur who is nothing more
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than a violent street criminal,said acting US United States
Attorney Joseph McNally.
Eliminating gangs and organizedcrime is the department of
justice Top priority.
Today's charges and arreststarget the leadership of this
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criminal outfit and will makethe neighborhoods of Los Angeles
safer.
It's all cap, all as cap.
They just they always.
And this is one thing.
Now I'm not taking up.
I can't sit here and defend BigU.
I don't know the brother I, Ican't defend him.
But what?
I will tell you a lot.
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When they do these, thesepressers, and they put these
statements out to the public,they're gonna paint these guys
as straight monsters.
Now, whether they were or not,I don't know.
Ok, let's back to it.
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Today's charges and arreststarget the leadership of this
criminal outfit will make theneighborhoods of Los Angeles
safer.
I am grateful for the work ofour prosecutors and law
enforcement partners, of ourprosecutors and law enforcement
partners.
The lead defendant and othersin this case have for too long
gotten away with violent crimes,violent acts and stealing money
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from taxpayers andwell-intentioned donors, whether
they used intimidation tacticsor well-influenced as
purportedly rehabilitatedoriginal gangsters, said Akil
Davis, the assistant director incharge of the FBI's Los Angeles
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field office.
The FBI and our partners haveworked for four years to bring
justice in this case and willcontinue to root out this kind
of criminal behavior plaguingthe streets of Los Angeles More
cap, more cap.
In total, law enforcement inthe last 24 hours arrested 10
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rolling 60 members andassociates who are charged with
various federal crimes,including drug trafficking,
racketeering, conspiracy andfirearms offenses.
Four defendants already were incustody.
Law enforcement is seeking thewhereabouts of five other
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defendants, three of whom areexpected to be in custody
shortly.
Two defendants, includingHenley, are considered fugitives
.
Right, let me get back in here.
According to an affidavit filedwith the criminal complaint
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field monday, filed monday andunsealed today, from 2010 to the
present, henley's criminalgroup, identified in court
documents as the Big UEnterprise, operated as a
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mafia-like organization thatutilized Henley's stature and
longstanding association withthe Rolling Sixties and other
street gangs to intimidatebusinesses, individuals in Los
Angeles.
Henley is widely regarded as aleader within the rolling
sixties and rose to prominencein the street gang during the
1980s.
While the big U enterprise attimes partnered with the rolling
sixties and other criminalelements for mutual benefit, the
big U enterprise is a distinctand independent criminal
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enterprise engaged in criminalactivity, including murder,
extortion, robbery, trafficking,trafficking and exploiting sex
workers, fraud and illegalgambling.
They just piling on here.
For example, in January of 2021, henley murdered a victim
identified in the affidavit asRW, an aspiring musician.
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Musician signed to Unique Music, henley and Martin's music
label.
Shortly before RW's murder,henley and Unique Music paid for
RW to travel to Las Vegas torecord music at a Grammy Award
winning music producer studio.
But RW did not record at theagreed upon rate and instead
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recorded a defamatory song aboutHenley, causing Henley and
Robinson to travel to Las Vegasto confront him.
Henley allegedly drove RW toNorth Las Vegas, shot him in the
head and dragged the victim'sbody off Interstate 15 into the
desert and left it in a ditch.
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Henley returned to Los Angeleswith Robinson and ordered studio
workers to leave, while hisassociate removed security
surveillance footage from thestudio.
Henley allegedly later orderedwitnesses to not speak with law
enforcement about RW's murder.
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Not only did the enterpriseexpand its power through
violence, fear and intimidation,but it also used social media
platforms, documentaries,podcast interviews and henley's
reputation and status as an ogin quotations original gangster
to create fame for, and stoke ofstoke fear of, the big u
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enterprise, its members and itsassociates.
And furthermore, in furtheranceof the end of the enterprise,
henley allegedly submitted afraudulent application for a
covet 19 pandemic relief loan inwhich he claimed that Unique
Music was operating at a$200,000 profit in 2019, despite
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operating at a $5,000 loss thatyear, which would have
disqualified it from loaneligibility and PPP loans.
Enriched itself by defraudingdonors to nonprofit entities
under the control of the Big UEnterprise, including Henley's
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charity Developing Options.
That was the name of thecharity, the Developing Options,
a Hyde Park-based nonprofit.
Henley marketed DevelopingOptions as giving South Los
Angeles youth alternativechoices to gang violence, drugs
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and other criminal activity, butthe Big U enterprise allegedly
used it as a front forfraudulent purposes and to
insulate its members fromsuspicion by law enforcement.
Henley allegedly embezzledlarge donations that celebrities
and award-winning companiesmade to developing options,
which henley immediatelyconverted to his personal bank
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account.
According to the complaint,developing options is primarily
funded through the city of LosAngeles mayor's office, through
the Gang Reduction YouthDevelopment Foundation, portions
of which receive federalfunding, but also receives
donations from prominent sources, including NBA players.
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The RICO charges against MrHenley and his associates
reflect a pattern of crimes thatruns the gambit from extortion
to tax evasions, all under theumbrella of a well-organized
criminal organization led by MrHenley, says Special Agent in
Charge Tyler Hatcher, irsCriminal Complaint Investigation
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, criminal Investigation,criminal complaint investigation
, criminal investigation LosAngeles field office.
Additionally, mr Henleyallegedly duped the county of
Los Angeles by running acharitable organization that
promoted anti-gang solutionswhile continuing criminal
activity that was directlycontrary to his charity.
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Right, it was fellow lawenforcement organizations,
criminal organizations, a bunchof cap right there.
From day one, the Los AngelesPolice Department has been proud
to stand shoulder to shoulderwith the FBI in this critical
investigation, said Los AngelesPolice Chief Jim McDonald.
Invulnerable enterpriseprovided by the Operation South
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Bureau FBI Task Force on theRolling 60s criminal street gang
has played a pivotal role insecuring these charges.
This is a major step forward inour ongoing fight against gang
violence and it brings hope andrelief to a community that has
been that has endured far toomuch.
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Together, we will continue toprotect and serve, working
tirelessly to ensure the safetyof our neighborhoods.
And that's the end of the.
The press release and again alot of it is capped and they
sensationalized a lot of thethings in here.
But I looked at the indictmentand I'm telling you, family,
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they loaded him up, they loadedhim up heavy on them charges.
They want this dude gone.
They don't never want him backNow.
Big U was a very imposingfigure in the California,
california, los angeles area andthis is something I've heard
from people in the industry thatI know personally and also
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through all the differentarticles and things like that.
He's very imposing.
Hold on um.
The thing I just can'tunderstand about all of this Is
that you, an OG from the 80s,and you up there on these social
(48:42):
media platforms talking Big you, my brother, man, come on bro.
How did you fall in?
How did you fall in?
How did you fall?
I know I was talking to my ladythe other day and she's you
know, I I'm not in the streets,no more.
I would be out.
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If I was out there now, I wouldbe.
I would be lost as a sheep inthe ocean.
Because I don't, I don'tunderstand.
We are in a time now thateverything is about attention.
Attention is the new drug now.
It's the new drug of choice.
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It's attention.
You got gangsters that are onYouTube, they on Facebook, they
on Instagram, they on X, theytweeting, they tweet, they do.
I mean, these are street guysdoing this and I don't
understand it.
The time, the era I come from,guys didn't did not want to be
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known.
They didn't.
If you were in real criminalactivity and you was into the
streets doing what you do, youdidn't want the fame and the
notoriety.
I don't know when that stuffstarted.
I really don't know when itstarted.
The ball was dropped somewhere.
I think John Gotti played intothat because he was very frowned
(50:16):
upon because of his flamboyancyand his showmanship in the
Coastal North.
Those guys, the mafia guys,they didn't like that.
I think that's the beginning ofit.
But it's so far now that theseguys, you got to understand
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these agencies, these lawenforcement agencies FBI, CIA,
whatever local law enforcement.
They have units assigned tothese gangs and street,
different street organizationsand stuff like that.
Their job is to come in in themorning or whenever the shift is
on, get their coffee, theirbreakfast or whatever, and they
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set up the computer screens andthey on Instagram, they on
YouTube, they on Facebook, theyon LinkedIn, they on this, they
on that rumble and blah, blah,blah, blah, blah, blah.
They all over the place and theyjust hit the play button and
listen, look and listen and forsome reason, these guys it's not
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just blacks doing it, it's alot of it's more of us doing it
than it's because the Italiansis doing it too.
Everybody's doing it, but theseguys love to go on these
platforms.
Vlad and all this.
You see Boosie, all the time.
He's always on Vlad talkingabout stuff, and you don't
supposed to talk about what youdid out there in the street.
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Talk about the music man.
Talk about what you're doing inthe neighborhoods with the
community or whatever.
Don't talk about stuff, musicman.
Talk about what you're doing inthe neighborhoods with the
community or whatever.
Don't talk about stuff you did.
You know these guys, man,everybody wants to be a badass,
everybody wants to be bad.
And look, see, I got 30 niggaswith me and we want club.
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Just goofiness.
I don't understand thestupidity behind it.
Big you, you had to know oncethe whispers there was whispers
about you having something to dowith the death of a well-liked
person like Nipsey Hussle.
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Once you understood and gotwind of that that your name was
circulating, you were supposedto start your exit because you
had to know this time was coming.
They probably was already onyou.
They probably was already onyou, but you had to know they
(52:52):
was coming.
Right, and you still was on.
You know, I got let me see, canI find it, family.
Let me see, can I find it.
That clip of this guy talkingtalking.
Hold on, let me see Can I findthis stuff with this guy.
Man, I couldn't believe it.
Yeah, I know where it is, Icouldn't believe it.
(53:13):
Hold on.
Now here's a clip of him.
This is Big U.
This is Big U Talking about thecheck-in thing.
Hold on, you're going to makeit out.
Speaker 9 (53:26):
You're going to make it out, don't matter, you're a
nice, go hard.
Speaker 8 (53:43):
Movie production in the hood.
Speaker 3 (53:46):
That's how we do it, young man.
Speaker 8 (53:49):
Top flight baby GB running this here movie set in
the hood.
Come on out here.
Come on out here and check inwith GB getting these movies
done.
You better know it.
Anytime you want to do moviesin the hood, just check it in.
We can make sure it's donemovies, videos.
But if you don't check it in,oh well, let's go check your ass
(54:12):
out.
We're going to check you in,all right, we're going to check
in all of your equipment.
We're going to check in all ofyour equipment.
Speaker 3 (54:24):
Now you heard him.
He really told right then, andthere you told on yourself, you
told on yourself.
In other words, they came down,some production company came
down to the hood in LA to filmsomething a movie, a video,
whatever it was and you postedsomething on the social media
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talking about coming down thehood.
You got you talking aboutyou're going to do a movie.
You got you better check in orwe're going to check you in,
like that's extortion, that'sextortion, right there.
Now all the feds and lawenforcement did was hit the play
button and let you talk.
Let you talk.
These guys man getting on, theyare no jumping in, vlad, and
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they're always talking andtalking about street business.
You know, the golden rule wasalways you don't discuss street
business, you don't discuss that.
And these guys, they studiedman, they studied yapping,
because everybody wantsattention, everybody wants to be
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the baddest dude and they wantthe attention.
See what I'm doing over here.
Look at me to be the baddestdude, and they want the
attention.
See what I'm doing over here,look at me.
Even I used to say all the timeyou, you had guys back in the
90s and stuff early 2000 he hadwould have big um music systems
in the cars and the trucks andstuff.
So you come down the street,man, every you, you could hear a
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dude coming from blocks awaybecause the bass would be
shaking the sidewalk and you'dbe saying, man, what the hell is
that you hear this music comingfrom four or five blocks away?
And when you finally come towhere you're at, the music is so
loud, music is so loud, and youand you're saying to yourself,
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how is he sitting in there withthat, driving with that, gotta
be blowing your eardrums out.
What's?
What's the purpose of that?
Because you want attention.
See rolling down the street.
You know that bass is boomingand music is loud as hell and
everybody gotta look.
People gotta look at that andsee where it's coming from.
So you want eyes on you.
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I never wanted this is just me.
I was always a shy person, buteven when I was doing what I was
doing, I didn't want nobody toknow that what I was doing, I
didn't want that to be known.
But these guys, they, everybodywants to be seen.
There's more, there's more.
(56:59):
Let us go to it.
We got to get ready to get outof here soon, really fast.
Let's see what this one's about.
Hold on.
Speaker 9 (57:10):
When did the DNA come back?
Speaker 2 (57:12):
It came back two months ago.
Speaker 9 (57:15):
And they still ain't arrested the nigga.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
Well, they told me, between me and you, please
between me and you, don't tellnobody, because they don't want
nobody to know.
They're going to be making anarrest the end of March, the
beginning of April Gotcha, I'mgoing to sit back and watch the
show and they're basically goingto put his case and Nipsey
(57:42):
Hussle's case together.
The same person that the DNA Imean the lawyer for Nipsey
Hussle is going to be doing mybrother's case too.
Speaker 9 (57:55):
You mean the DA?
Speaker 2 (57:56):
Yeah, district Attorney.
Oh, okay.
Speaker 3 (58:00):
Yeah, now that was the sister of the guy, the RW
guy from the murder in Las Vegason the Interstate 15.
That was the mother, not thesister.
The mother, now she had thiscall, this phone conversation
with wag 100.
He recorded it and he came outwith it saying he knew, he knew
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all the time.
You know, everybody want to besee.
I told y'all I was privy to theinformation.
I I knew what was going on.
That's his angle from it and ithelps build his credibility as
far as information goes.
I don't understand, becausehe's supposed to be a gangbanger
to a affiliate.
(58:43):
Well, he's a businessman, hehas businesses going on but he's
a talker too.
He talks and talks, and talks,talks.
I don't understand it.
But hey, hey, this is what itis family.
But these, now that that theysupposedly from what I read in
the indictment there was DNAfrom Big U, they found under
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that kid's fingernails matchesBig U.
Now they're going to try to tiethat murder in with the Nipsey
Hussle situation.
Then there's talk of remember Idid a some time ago, I did
about a year or two when thisfirst happened the PNB Rock
young man that was murdered outin California at the Roscoe's
(59:27):
Chicken and Waffles.
He was unaligned for his jury.
Now there's people, there'sscenes, there's talk, there's
there's sayings, this talkcirculating now that that you,
big you and this other dude um,what's this loose cannon dude
had something to do with thatand from what I understand, they
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were supposedly in therestaurant when this robbery
took place.
I I don't know if it was towatch to make sure everything
went off right, but I'm going toplay something.
Hold on from that, hold on,let's get to it.
Here it is, hold on.
Speaker 9 (01:00:05):
Rock got killed In the Nebraska.
So I felt it was like super,super messed up because at the
end of the day, it was me andBig Useless in there when it
happened.
So when it happened I wish Icould have just told him like
(01:00:27):
bro, just give up the jury andwe get it back to you later.
Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
But it just happened so fast and yeah, now that's the
loose cannon dude he's.
He's caught up in thisindictment too.
He was charged in this.
He's on this complaint alongwith Big U and them Now.
They said he would date him andBig U was in the restaurant
when this robbery went down.
And you heard him say that hewished he could have just told
(01:00:55):
the homie they'll give up yourjewelry.
We got you.
Later on we're gonna get itback for you.
Just give it up right now.
And this, uh, this is a messman.
This is a mess.
And then big you did on it, onhim turning himself in.
He shot a couple of videos, acouple of shorts and you, he
asking people to pray for him.
And it's going to be years offhis life.
(01:01:16):
Man, you can't go aroundthrowing your weight around like
that man and bullying everybodyand extorting people.
And now you're asking people topray for you.
I don't know, I'm not here tojudge.
I'm not here to judge big you.
I don't know the brother, butonce your name came up in an
(01:01:39):
ipsy situation, bro, you weresupposed to go sit down
somewhere.
You were supposed to go sitdown somewhere.
Tarik did a, did a program onhis youtube channel the day,
talking about this type of thinghere, where, guys, you know,
when you're in the street, thepurpose is, the reason why you
get in the street is becauseother choices have dried up or
you feel like you don't.
(01:02:00):
You, you're trapped in there's,there's no money or whatever.
You can't get no job orwhatever the case might be.
You might not have theeducation or whatever.
So you got to turn to the, tothe underworld life.
But the goal, the goal isalways to make to get out, get
in and get out.
Only a fool wants to stay doingcrime your whole life, the.
(01:02:22):
The object of the game is toget in, make what you gotta do
what you gotta do and get out.
Once you start hitting licksand you start making money and
you're starting to make animpact and you're getting your
weight up, you're supposed to begetting ready to make your exit
away from that life becauseyou're not there to stay.
(01:02:44):
And this is a lot of themistakes a lot of people make.
This is why a lot of these kidsfollow these rappers, because
they glorify street business andit's not to be glorified.
Street things happen.
We've always had undergroundsocieties, always Crime is.
(01:03:05):
As long as human beings aregoing to be in existence,
there's going to be crime.
So we're not here to argue thatpoint.
But the objection is to get inand get out of it.
It's not there for you to staythere.
It's not a life you want towake up every day and just be an
(01:03:26):
outlaw or a criminal At somepoint.
You want that to change.
Because you start having kids,children, you start having a
family, or whatever the casemight be.
You don't want that same life.
Because you start having kids,children you start having a
family, or whatever the casemight be, you don't want that
same life for your children.
I don't know there's peoplelike that, that the, the, the
lifestyle goes from generationto generation, but I don't know.
(01:03:48):
I don't know any parent thatdoesn't want better for their
children in.
In other words, I'm doing whatI'm doing to put you in school
maybe private school, or maybecollege or whatever or to get
you a trade where you can openyour own business.
I'm making these sacrifices nowfor you to have better than I
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did.
I don't want you going throughthis.
What kind of example would Iset as your parent or your uncle
or your older elder in yourfamily?
If I'm stay doing this and I'mhelping you do it, I'm
glorifying it.
Man, we don't want to.
Let's, let's, um.
But the last thing I want totouch on family before we get
out of here.
(01:04:28):
We got to get, we got to blow,we got to blow, um, this talk
and we're to.
I'm going to set everything upfor us to talk about it next
week and, malik, you're comingup next week, so get ready
because you're coming up nextweek.
King will be here and we'regoing to talk.
Is talk now about how Trump isrolling back certain civil
(01:04:51):
rights legislation, withgovernment contractors or
whatever the case might be, andthey were looking to see how we
were going to react to it andthey're just not getting the
reaction that they thought theywas going to get, because we're
not sweating that.
My thing is this Bring it.
Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Bring it.
Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
Yes, segregation, bring it.
I'm begging, begging you, I'mbegging white society.
I'm begging president trump.
Yes, bring back segregation,and I'll tell you why before we
depart.
I'll tell you why.
Because pre-desegregation,because we never integrated, but
pre-segregate,pre-desegregation, we had black
(01:05:34):
townships, we had much moreblack-owned businesses, we had
our marriage rates in ourcommunity were much higher,
right, and we relied on eachother.
So, bring it back, becausethat's going to force us to do
commerce with each other and tostop with all the silliness in
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the party and get down tobusiness and we will be forced
to deal with each other like weused to.
Instead, all this hate and allthis foolishness and all this
foolery and monkey businessgoing on in the community, we'll
be forced back into a timewhere we rely on each other and
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we work with each other, needeach other more.
So please bring I'm begging you, I'm begging you, president
Trump bring it back.
Yes, I would love to seesegregation come back.
Oh, yeah, yeah, let's bring itback.
Well, I ain't got to go.
When I want to go buy a car, Ican go to a black dealership.
When I want to go to a bank orwhatever, I can go to a
(01:06:39):
black-owned bank and have accesswhere I wouldn't have it in
present time.
So bring it back, because ourfamilies, our family unity was
much stronger pre-desegregationright, we were doing business
with each other, we had morebusiness.
We didn't have all this, thesesingle mother households and all
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this.
We didn't have all of that.
So so go to work, baby.
Yes, you, you, you know.
Go to work.
Go to work, president Trump, goto work, ted, yes, and me and
my man, malik, we going to be uphere next week talking about
this, but right now we got tobounce up out of here In the
words, in the words of Big Kingyou must respect life, love
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justice, cherish freedom andtreasure peace.
Y'all go in peace and keep thepeace.
And we're going to be back,we're going to be back next week
and, like I said, we're goingto talk about it.
I wanted to play some of mybrother, phil Scott's, up here,
but we don't, we out of time andwe got to go.
And, yeah, come on back.
Come on back, cause we got some.
We got some hot grease waitingfor the fire.
(01:07:47):
Peace, thank you.
We'll find out tonight how much the Ali fight
took out of Frazier, if anything, and we'll find out tonight
just how good George Foreman isin punching and in taking a
punch.
I think he hurt Joe Frazier.
I think Joe is hurt.
Angie Dundee, ali's trainerright next to me, is saying that
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you may hear him Down goesFrazier, down goes Frazier, down
goes Frazier.
The heavyweight champion istaking the mandatory eight count
and Foreman is as poised as canbe in a neutral corner.
He is as poised as can be.
We have a minute left in thisfirst round and already this
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fight is proving it.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Peace, peace, and welcome back to Freedman's
Affairs Radio, the Freedman'sNetwork.
Let me turn this down a littlebit.
And how are you?
On this beautiful sunrise,march 25th 2025.
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Today's math, wisdom, power andthat borns God right.
And when we go to the 25thdegree and the 1 to 40 and ask
the question how long did ittake to make devil right?
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How long did it take to makedevil?
And the answer was how long didit take to make devil Right?
How long did it take to makedevil?
And the answer was it took 600years To graph devil From the
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black man Right.
And then we'll go to seventhdegree in that same 140,.
It asks the question how fastdoes the planet travel per hour?
And the answer was 1,037 andone third miles per hour.
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Just a little something for usto think about and keep in mind.
But anyway, the little piecethat I played, we're going to go
back to that.
That was from the fight inKingston, jamaica.
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Was it Kingston, that firstfight with Foreman and Frazier?
But anyway, family, as you'veheard, as you heard, friday the
21st, we lost the great, bigGeorge Foreman, the great
champion, big George Foreman, hedeparted from us.
Big George Foreman, the greatchampion, big George Foreman.
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He departed from us and, yeah,that's what it's been, and his
family released a statement onFriday and we here to pay
tribute to that, because he wasone of our greats.
I mean, george had well, let menot call him George, I didn't
know the man personally, but MrForeman had an amazing journey
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in life and there's a lot tolearn from him, right, and we're
going to touch on those things.
We're going to touch on some ofthose things up here.
So let's go back to the clip,and that was Howard Cosell, the
famous down goes Frazier, downgoes Frazier.
But let us go back to the clip.
Let us go back.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
What some have expected.
Oh, that left is getting inthere underneath, underneath,
archie Moore is yelling.
The foreman we've got theexcitement here that we look for
.
Frazier is dazed.
He is getting hit again andagain and again.
The same head that was hit sooften by Muhammad Ali Frazier is
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day.
You see the countdown for thefirst round.
Foreman has not panicked.
Foreman is going about his job.
Foreman is all over Joe Frazier.
Frazier is down again and hemay be.
No, he is rising, he is game.
He doesn't know where he is.
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The mandatory eight count.
He doesn't know where he is.
The mandatory eight count.
He doesn't know where he is.
Now the round is about to end.
Two knockdowns in the firstround of Joe Frazier Down again.
No saving by the bell, he's upand so the fight continues.
Three knockdowns in the firstround by George Foreman.
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The stool hasn't even beenbrought out yet for Frazier.
What excitement.
You're looking at Joe Frazier.
Yancey Durham over the crowd,shocked.
But the crowd here rooting forForeman, muhammad Ali, was their
hero.
Now you're looking in slowmotion the right for the first
knockdown, clean as a whistle.
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Oh, what a first round.
Well, back in Frazier's corneras you look at them working over
Joe, the ice pack at the backof the neck to restore the
center.
Let's go to the slow-mo for thesecond knockdown.
The right again Clean as aright again Fleen.
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It was a whistle again.
We're waiting for the start nowof round two.
There was no question about thefirst round.
Three knockdowns Now.
Joe is coming out.
Adam wants to come back in ahurry.
You'll not find a gamer manthan Joe Frazier.
Joe Frazier went down threetimes in the first round.
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A caution from Arthur McCanny.
Oh, he is all over Frazieragain.
He has Frazier in the corner.
Frazier's knees buckled.
He is about, he is down.
He is down for the fourth timein the fight.
George Foreman is doing to JoeFrazier what he did as a
19-year-old to a veteran Russian, a fellow named Iona Shapula,
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in October of 1968 in the MexicoCity Arena a quick left from
George.
Another Frazier is down for thefifth time in this fight.
Fifth time, Three times in thefirst round, Twice in the second
.
But can he Check his senses?
Check Frazier's senses?
It's target practice for GeorgeBrommer.
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It is target practice.
Frazier is ready to go again.
Joe is standing there.
He goes Three times, Threetimes.
The fight is stopped.
No, it is not, it is notstopped.
Angie Dundee is screaming stopit.
Bertie Pacheco, Ali's doctornext week.
It is over, it is over, it isover.
(07:23):
In the second round.
George Foreman is theheavyweight champion of the
world and I'm going up into thatring to talk to Joe Frazier,
the loser, and to George Foreman, the winner, because Joe
Frazier has been a greatchampion and deserves
consideration.
Nancy Durham hugging him.
They're going crazy aboutGeorge.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeah, yeah, that was amazing.
That was when George first wonthe championship.
When he first won, the titlewas against Frazier.
He knocked Frazier down sixtimes in that fight, six times,
six times in that fight, sixtimes.
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Now this was his firstchampionship fight for Big
George, foreman the first one,and he was afraid.
He revealed later that he wasreally afraid of Joe Frazier,
because Joe Frazier would justkeep coming at you.
There was no man tougher thanJoe Frazier.
Let's understand that.
And now all three of these menare gone Frazier, ali and
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Foreman.
Now Foreman is gone, and thosemen along with others, because
the heavyweight division was soloaded during the late 60s and
70s.
It was so loaded All of thegreats Ernie Shavers, kenny
Norton, george Savallo it wasjust stacked from top to bottom.
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It wasn't boxing wasn't like itis now.
I don't really even watchboxing.
I mean, mayweather got the lastof my attention.
And then you know guys likeTank Davis.
I love me some Tank, but boxingis no longer what it was.
It's very watered down now.
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These guys don't want to fighteach other.
Everybody wants to stayundefeated and nobody wants to
really fight.
In those days those guys fought.
I mean they fought Jimmy Young,ron Lyle Ron Lyle won it
between Ron Lyle Big, georgeForeman and Ernie Shavers and
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Joe you can add Joe Louis tothat also.
But they said those four right,there were some of the hard.
They were the hardest punchersever in boxing history.
Was those guys In later yearscoming in the 80s you got young
Mike Tyson coming up.
But see, the thing with MikeTyson was and let's make no
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mistakes about it Tyson wasreally afraid of George Foreman.
This is why they never foughtin George Foreman's second
career.
They never fought because Tysonwas actually afraid of him.
He didn't want nothing to dowith him.
But George revealed too hereally didn't want nothing to do
with Tyson, but Tyson wasreally afraid of him because he
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was such a big puncher.
Now, what made the differencebetween Foreman and Tyson was
let me get a bed back in here,hold on, hold on.
The difference between Tysonand Foreman was that Tyson was
so fast and those angles hewould come at, he was so
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explosive.
He had power.
Now Don't get it twisted.
Tyson had raw power, but not onthe level of George Foreman.
George Foreman fightersdescribed getting hit by George
Foreman.
It was like somebody hittingyou with a 50-pound bag of rocks
.
That's how it felt the force.
(11:11):
He would hit you with the, notthe fists but the outside of the
fists, like you're banging onthe desk.
He would hit you with that andknock you cold Out cold, knock
you out or knock you down.
He would hit you with that andknock you cold out cold, knock
you out or knock you down.
He would hit guys so hard.
Big George Foreman hit guys sohard that they would actually
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turn their backs on him becausethe equilibrium was off and they
were dazed, they didn't knowwhere they were at, so they
would be actually turning theirbacks to him.
He would have them sodiscombobulated with the force.
Tyson didn't have that kind ofpower and Ernie Shavers was
another hard hitter like that.
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And then Ali said that when hefought Shavers he wasn't afraid
of forming but he was afraid ofShavers.
He said when he fought Shavershe would hold up a high guard
and his forearms would be thereand it felt like Shavers was
punching, it felt like he wasbreaking his forearms.
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That's how hard Shavers washitting.
Ron Lyon was another hardhitter.
This is what these licks upsidethe head I believe is what
caused Ali his deterioration,you know, with the Parkinson's
and everything, getting themlicks upside the head like that
by those kind of guys.
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Because he fought all of them.
He fought Ron Lyon, he foughtBig George and he fought Shavers
.
He fought all three of them andthose were some of the hardest
punches ever recorded in boxinghistory.
But back to george foreman.
Uh, let's see, can we get getsome um reporting in here.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Hold on, let me just pull it up here weight champ,
larger than life in every way,passed away today at the age of
76.
Foreman's rags-to-riches storyis the stuff of boxing legend.
Growing up impoverished, amugger and brawler on the
streets of Texas, he foundorganized boxing as a teen,
quickly rising to Olympic champat 24, and, at 24, stunning Joe
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Frazier to become theheavyweight champion of the
world.
His ascension as dramatic ashis fall to Muhammad Ali in the
famed Rumble in the Jungle matchto lose his title.
Yet after leaving the sport andbecoming a minister, he
returned to the ring over adecade later, a new man, and
then miraculously recaptured theheavyweight title at the age of
45 against Michael Moore, whowas 19 years, his junior.
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His popularity afterwards helpedhim make millions as a pitchman
, and his George Foreman grillernearly eclipsed his boxing fame
for a time.
But the legacy he leaves to usea boxing analogy is one where
he could be down but could neverbe counted out.
Foreman's family released thefollowing statement via his
Instagram account With profoundsorrow we announce the passing
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of our beloved George EdwardForeman Sr, who peacefully
departed on March 21st 2025,surrounded by loved ones, a
devout preacher, a devotedhusband, a loving father and a
proud grand and greatgrandfather.
He lived a life marked byunwavering faith, humility and
purpose.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
We welcome an ESPN Boxing commentator, mark Kriegel
.
Now, mark, it's almost likethere were two George Foreman's.
There was the guy who playedthe heavy, really the villain,
against Muhammad Ali and Zaire ahalf a century ago.
Let's talk about that guy first, tell us about the young George
Foreman.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
Well, if you look at boxing as a continuum, he was
somewhere between he was thescary guy, so he's between Sonny
Liston and Mike Tyson.
And you know Joe Frazier wasabout as tough a guy who's ever
laced up gloves.
He put him down six times and Ithink that really crystallized
Foreman's reputation asinvincible.
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Everybody.
You know who's going to putdown Joe Frazier six times and
it set up the rumble in thejungle, arguably as famous a
fight as ever there was for Ali,which of course left Foreman, I
think, psychiatrically scarred.
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You know he was the bully whowas undone against Ali and it
was probably Ali's finest moment.
It was what he did in therope-a-dope was pretty much
improvisational and it testedhis courage and it tested
everyone's limits in watchingthis.
How long can Ali do this?
And then, of course, you sawwhat happened.
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He turned it all around on thebully.
What's different about Foremanthan perhaps anyone else is the
idea, as you cited before, ofreinventing yourself.
It's uniquely American, butit's never been done this way in
boxing.
It wasn't just coming back as apreacher and a pitchman and
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selling hamburgers or grills orwhatever it was.
It was more purposeful than anyof us knew.
As far as boxing.
The previous oldest heavyweightchampion, I believe, was Jersey
Joe Walcott, who won when hewas 37.
Foreman came back when he wasjust shy of his 46th birthday, I
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think two months shy and and indoing it he it was his own kind
of rope-a-dope that nightagainst michael moore.
I'll never forget it.
He took punches, more, was areally skilled guy and he just,
he just beat him up for ninerounds, more did with a great
right right jab and all of asudden Foreman reaches out,
slaps him with the left hook andyou see that right hand, that
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thing traveled this far.
Boom, and it puts him out.
And it was.
It was an extraordinary,extraordinary comeback and I
think that across all the othersports are metaphors for what
boxing actually is, or metaphorsfor what boxing actually is.
But what Foreman did that nightwas the most sacred thing any
athlete can do.
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He defied time and he did it ina profound way, winning by
knockout in the 10th round aftertaking extraordinary punishment
for basically nine and a halfrounds.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Unbelievable, larger than life figure winning titles
in two different decades, 20years apart, had five sons,
named them all George.
Just just a colorful, if I canadd one thing yes, you know he
was.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
He didn't just reinvent himself.
He was a bad guy who came backas a guy who was universally
loved.
It's a very difficult thing todo in any piece of life.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Yeah, absolutely yeah .
He basically changed everyone'smind about himself.
And really a remarkable life.
Our boxing commentator, markKriegel, sharing some memories,
some insight into George Foreman.
Mark, thank you.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Yeah, and that was was he reinvented himself and,
like I said, we're going totouch on a little bit about that
.
And there was a, there was apiece that I had.
Well, two things I want to playup here.
I want to play this here.
This was the Dick Cavett show.
(18:22):
And there was the guest thatnight was Joe Frazier, bill
Cosby and Jack Benny, and theytalked about the fight.
This is a few days afterForeman had beat Frazier.
Let's go to that a little bit,hold on.
Speaker 8 (18:42):
One thing that people have been saying about you was
Frazier never realized what abeating he had taken from Ali,
and that that's why Well, theway I feel about it, I'm not
going to give anybody a criticyou know what I mean for
something that another man did,you understand I'm not going to
give.
You know I don't want to takeany critic, that you know.
When Bob Foster put like maybe10 stitches in his eyes, I
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didn't say, you know, joeFrazier did it.
You know, when George Foreman,you know, stopped me, let's say
two weeks ago, I don't think Ishould give credit to Clay.
You know what I mean.
George caught me with the shot,so I think it was George that
really won the fight.
Is there any?
chance that he switched styleson you, since you had seen him
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fight before.
Well, no, he didn't switchstyles.
You know what I mean.
He just like come out and work.
You know what I mean.
And you know big, strong fella.
And I know one thing you ask mehow well that he fight.
I don't know.
But I can tell you one thing hepunch good.
Speaker 7 (19:44):
He punch very good.
That's a model.
I'll take your word for it.
Yeah, is there any uh truth tothe this sort of rumor that your
manager was always against yourfighting him?
Speaker 8 (19:53):
well, uh, fighting, I don't know uh you know,
managers and trainers and, uh,you know, they always against uh
, something that you getinvolved in.
You know what I mean.
But uh, sometime, you know, youtake a chance.
Well it, well, what?
As long as I've been fighting,I always had a tendency of
pushing my managers a littlefaster, you know, and I really
had to want to go and they hadto put me in.
(20:15):
Uh, you know, keep fighting me,keep fighting thing a lot,
because I, like I, go prettyfast in the game, you know.
So.
Therefore, you know, uh, I hadto want to fight because I
didn't want the reputation oftrying to duck or shun anybody.
I'm a fighting champion.
I had to want to fight George,and I lost the fight fair and
square.
But you know what I say.
(20:35):
Back to the drawing board now.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
Is it embarrassing to go out of the house the next
day or for a couple of days?
Speaker 8 (20:41):
No, not to me because you know what I mean.
I kind of put myself togetherfor a day like this.
I didn't expect a day to comeso early, you know what I mean.
But anyway I prepare myself,you know, by being kind and nice
to everybody.
I treat everybody like I liketo be treated.
You know what I mean.
So I wasn't the type of guylike I carried a whole flock.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
Let me just comment real quick.
We're going to go back to theclip, but let me comment on that
.
You heard what Joe Frazier said.
He treated people as he wantedto be treated.
Now Foreman Foreman came outthe gate.
Uh, foreman was a big, meanmean dude, big bad, mean dude,
and the people didn't reallytake the form.
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In his first career in boxinghe wasn't really liked.
Now he followed because hisidol was Sonny Liston.
And Sonny Liston was anotherbig, bad dude, big mean bad dude
, sonny Liston.
He had those dudes petrified, alot like Mike Tyson.
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That's where Tyson fashionedhis aura around Liston.
Same with Foreman.
They followed Liston With thosecold stares they would stare at
during the fight.
When they come out to get therules from the ref.
They would.
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You know the stare down man.
Them guys would look straightthrough you and the fight would
pretty much be won at that pointbecause the fear, the fear
factor, those guys with thosecold, steely eyes would be
looking at you.
And you know, I only time Iever experienced that in life
was my father had eyes like that.
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He would look at you and itseemed like he would be cutting
through your soul and that's howthese guys look, but they got
that from Sonny Liston.
Both Tyson and Foreman got thatlook from Sonny Liston.
But let's go back to the clip.
Let's go back to the clip.
Let's go back to it.
Speaker 8 (22:50):
Let's finish listening to it along with me.
You know, I call the car a fewguys that, really that they own
the payroll and I paid them.
So after this day, shit arrived.
Then I don't know how to handlemyself.
So the next day I went out, youknow, and I went to my gym and
they had welcome home champ.
You know what I mean.
So I tell them you well, that'sgood too, and I go around like
today.
They asked me what I'm comingon your show.
(23:11):
I said, well, why not?
I imagine you like to have meon the show and the people want
to see what you know what is allabout.
And the one listen to me.
So therefore I'm not gonna hidefrom it, you know, because I
got whoop.
You know I've been whooped onceyou know I got whooped a lot of
time from mama.
You know what I mean, but she isgood too.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I want to tell you something we have also laid eggs
.
You know, on the stage we'vebeen licked.
Speaker 9 (23:37):
We've been licked.
On the stage I run the bombwith a joke any day then I get
hit I'm not so sure are you me.
I rather late, don't let nobodyhit me.
Well, I guess it's, but I don'tlike the different on the stage
either.
Well, if I had my druthers,jack.
(23:58):
If the guy said okay, joeFrazier is gonna hit you in the
forehead or you can tell a badjoke.
No, I would rather tell a badjoke.
Okay, but if I had a choice.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
I'm going to give you a bad joke?
No, if I had a choice of JoeFrazier hitting me but that same
night I did a terrific two-hourshow.
Speaker 9 (24:24):
Then I'd be all right .
Speaker 7 (24:26):
I'd say Joe Freer hit me, you'd take the punch in
exchange for doing the show andthen go out and do the show.
Speaker 9 (24:30):
No, you're not hitting me no time.
And on top of that I'd tell abad joke too, I guess that would
be the bad joke, Joey.
Speaker 7 (24:41):
did you want the fight to go on when you knew
they were stopping it?
Speaker 8 (24:52):
Well, after I found out that I had a bad like uh
cutting my lip, you know, I gotuh rubber cut, like my teeth
right the teeth, like you know,yeah, cut into it.
So therefore, you know, it wasno argument about, you know,
keeping the fight going onbecause I already been cut.
So therefore, I rather have mylip and then, you know, keep
trying to put it together didyou ever hear from from Ali
since this?
Well, no, I didn't.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yeah, yeah, that was Bill Cosby and Jack Benny with
the little sidebar there.
But you know what?
There was a famous line in amovie.
I think it was let's Do itAgain with Bill Cosby and Cindy
(25:29):
Poitier and George Foreman had acameo there, and that cameo was
classic.
I'm going to play it here andlet you hear it.
Hold on a second.
Speaker 9 (25:43):
Hey, what happened out there, billy, we're clutched
up.
Yeah, I thought we were stuckto clutch.
See you tomorrow night at outthere, billy, my clutch stuck.
Yeah, I thought what stuck yourclutch.
See you tomorrow night at Lou'sBilly.
No, sir, no poker for me.
Taking my wife to New Orleansthis weekend.
You going to see the fight, no,just taking some shows.
Do a little dancing.
Speaker 8 (25:59):
What kind of dancing you going to do with them two
left feet?
You got there Two flat leftfeet.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Yeah, if you don't watch it, you may find a flat
left foot in your navel.
Yeah, you, and who else Just mechump and a flat left foot in
your navel Look out.
Speaker 8 (26:19):
now You're going to get your clutch stuck again.
Speaker 9 (26:21):
Watch your lips because they may get you into
something that your behind can'tget you out of and you may have
two left feet dead in yoursternum.
Speaker 8 (26:30):
I think we can get it on right now.
Speaker 9 (26:32):
What, what?
Right now, because I am tiredof you, man.
Every time you come around hereit's been words back and forth.
I'm sick of it.
I don't care how much you swellup, everything's swollen.
Keep an eye on him now.
Now, no wait, don't throw nopunches.
I'm going to talk to you forone second Now.
Look, let me tell you somethingBefore we get it on.
(26:55):
I just want to tell yousomething.
This is all.
I love you.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yeah, that was from let's Do it Again.
That little piece was betweenBig George Foreman and Bill
Cosby.
That was classic, classic,classic stuff.
And anytime we lose people thatwe love and we recognize up
(27:20):
here on the Freedmen's Network,we're going to come up here and
pay tribute to such a great oneas George, big George Foreman.
And I wanted to say back to thesecond part of his career.
He, when he left boxing thefirst time after losing to Jimmy
Young, because after he lost toAli he had one or two more
(27:41):
fights.
But the real disappointmentcame when he faced Jimmy Young
and because he beat Ron Lyle heended up knocking Ron Lyle out
and he lost to Jimmy Young, whowas a virtual come up at the
time.
He was a newcomer and thatreally scarred him.
(28:03):
The loss from Ali reallybothered him really bad and it
played scarred him.
The loss from Ali really itbothered him really bad and it
played on his mind.
But the loss to Jimmy Youngreally sealed his career, his
first career in boxing.
He went into a depression andthings like that and he left
boxing and he turned to thereligion, the faith.
(28:27):
He turned a Christian, hebecame a minister.
Actually he became a preacher.
He was a minister, a pastor ofa big church there in Texas,
somewhere in there, becausepeople say he was born in
Houston.
He was not born in Houston.
He was born in the Fifth Ward.
Not born in Houston, he wasborn in the fifth ward, a place
called Marshall, texas, close tothe very close to Houston, that
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fifth ward area.
But fifth ward was very toughand he grew up robbing and
stealing and stuff like thatbecause the the area was a very
impoverished area and he had to,he had, he, he was, he was a
tough guy, guy, he was a ruffian, he was out there robbing
people and early then he wasknocking people out as a young
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teenager, you know.
And he led a life of crime.
However, he went into theOlympics and won and started his
career in boxing, but those, asI say, those losses to Ali and
then to Jimmy Young really puthim out.
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It sealed his first career andhe, he.
There was a 10-year hiatus thathe didn't fight and then he
came back 10 years later andwreaked havoc through the
heavyweight division and finallyhe lost to Holyfield and I wish
I could find that clip.
But in that fight withHolyfield now, holyfield won the
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fight.
Evander Holyfield won the fightbut he said one round George
had hit him in the mouth so hardthat when he was stuck and I
seen the clip, I seen it, Iwatched it over and over.
Ever since I got news of his um, his uh, departure on friday
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I've been watching news reelsand different clips of you know
a sports center and ESPN,different clips of him and in
that fight he had with EvanderHolyfield, holyfield had hit him
.
I mean, big George had hitEvander one time and he caught
him flush, caught him flush inthe face and there was a bell
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rung for the round to end butHolyfield was stuck and the bell
rung for the round to end butHolyfield was stuck.
And he said he was just sostunned, dazed, that he had to
gather his senses to make it tothe corner.
And he said, when he got to thecorner they took his mouth
guard out and Evander Holyfieldasked his corner, did he knock
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all my teeth out?
He said it felt like he hit himin the face.
And he said he felt like heknocked all of his teeth out.
This is how hard this man hitand, like I said, the
heavyweight division was stackedand loaded from top to bottom.
I just named some of them guys.
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Jimmy Young was a virtualcome-up, he was a newcomer.
Ken Norton of them guys JimmyYoung was a virtual come up, he
was a newcomer, ken Norton, andthose guys, these guys were
great champions, great fighters.
But moving on, talking aboutanother big fella, talking about
another, let me get the bedback in here.
Hold on, hold on, get thelevels right.
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Yeah, family, I'm talking aboutanother big guy.
Oh boy, oh boy, and most peopleseen this coming.
Most people saw this coming.
We're talking about Big U fromLos Angeles, from the rolling
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60s.
Hold on, I.
I had to.
Well, let me, let me put itback up here.
Yeah, they finally got heturned himself in.
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I believe it was Friday.
He turned him.
I think it was Friday he turnedhimself in because they ran
down and raided like 19 or 20 ofthese guys from the rolling 60
crips out there in Los Angelesand you know, big U was one of
the heads, he was one of the topguys there for a long time with
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the Rolling 60s Crip set outthere in California and I think
it was 19 of them on thisindictment and he's been charged
and I got to tell you, family,I looked at the indictment.
I looked at the indictment.
I went on the government siteand pulled it up.
I'm telling you they loaded himup with charges and there was a
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15 year investigation from 2010.
They've been investigating thisdude and his activities.
It comes to no surprise to methat this happened, because now,
back when Nipsey Hussle, ourgreat brother, nipsey Hussle the
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rapper, when he was on Alive,there was talk circling around
that Big U's name came up inthis thing.
Right Now I don't know whetherhe has something to do with it
or not, I don't know.
I'm reporting because this iswhat I do.
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I don't have it.
I really as it's as it standsright now.
It's too early for me to forman opinion and I don't really
want to form an opinion.
I'm here to as as a, as aneutral party, just reporting.
What is?
What is out there Now, this,this I didn't bring in the
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actual indictment up here, butthis here is a is a press
release, a press release fromthe US attorney's office from
the Central District ofCalifornia.
This is the press release afterhe turned himself in or when
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they came down with thesesweeping indictments.
Right, and we're going to gointo it a little bit.
We're going to go into it.
I'm going to read a little bitof the indictment.
Hold on, let me just get mylevel here.
Okay, let's uh, let's pull itup and read.
So there's a long story here,but the indictment was longer
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than this.
This did all of the language,the legal language.
That's why I said, you knowwhat, let me not bring
indictment up here.
Let me read from the, from thepress release okay, in its title
long time rolling 60s cripleader and show business
entrepreneur charged in federalcomplaint alleging racketeering
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crimes.
18 other rolling 60 60 membersand associates charged federally
.
Los Angeles, a longtime leaderof the South Los Angeles-based
Rolling 60's neighborhood Cripsstreet gang, who also is an
entertainment entrepreneur and aself-proclaimed community
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activist, has been charged in afederal complaint alleging he
ran a criminal enterprise thatcommitted a series of
racketeering crimes, includingextortion, human trafficking,
fraud and the 2021 murder of aninspiring rap musician.
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The Justice Departmentannounced today Eugene Henley Jr
, 58, aka Big U, of the HydePark neighborhood of South Los
Angeles, is charged in thecomplaint with conspiracy to
violate the racketeer,influenced and corrupt
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organization otherwise known asthe RICO Act and corrupt
organization otherwise known asthe RICO Act.
Two other alleged members ofthe criminal enterprise,
sylvester Robertson, 59, aka Vae, of Northridge, and Mark Martin
, 50, aka Bearclaw, of theBeverlywood area of Los Angeles,
were arrested today on the samecriminal complaint in which
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Henley is charged.
Roberson and Martin areexpected to make their initial
appearances this afternoon inUnited States District Court in
downtown Los Angeles.
Henley is considered a fugitive, so at this point he hadn't
turned himself in yet.
So they considered him as afugitive.
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So at this point he hadn'tturned himself in yet.
So they considered him as afugitive because they contact
you when they come in to get you.
They usually contact you or getword to you, some kind of way
that look, hey, we got this onyou, come on in and talk to us
and like that.
So they.
I'm quite sure I don't know ifI don't quote me on this, but
I'm quite sure he knew.
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Let's continue.
The allegations in thecomplaint unsealed today reveal
a criminal enterprise thatengaged in murder, extortion,
human trafficking and fraud, allled by a supposed anti-gang
activist and purported musicentrepreneur who is nothing more
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than a violent street criminal,said acting US United States
Attorney Joseph McNally.
Eliminating gangs and organizedcrime is the department of
justice Top priority.
Today's charges and arreststarget the leadership of this
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criminal outfit and will makethe neighborhoods of Los Angeles
safer.
It's all cap, all as cap.
They just they always.
And this is one thing.
Now I'm not taking up.
I can't sit here and defend BigU.
I don't know the brother I, Ican't defend him.
But what?
I will tell you a lot.
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When they do these, thesepressers, and they put these
statements out to the public,they're gonna paint these guys
as straight monsters.
Now, whether they were or not,I don't know.
Ok, let's back to it.
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Today's charges and arreststarget the leadership of this
criminal outfit will make theneighborhoods of Los Angeles
safer.
I am grateful for the work ofour prosecutors and law
enforcement partners, of ourprosecutors and law enforcement
partners.
The lead defendant and othersin this case have for too long
gotten away with violent crimes,violent acts and stealing money
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from taxpayers andwell-intentioned donors, whether
they used intimidation tacticsor well-influenced as
purportedly rehabilitatedoriginal gangsters, said Akil
Davis, the assistant director incharge of the FBI's Los Angeles
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field office.
The FBI and our partners haveworked for four years to bring
justice in this case and willcontinue to root out this kind
of criminal behavior plaguingthe streets of Los Angeles More
cap, more cap.
In total, law enforcement inthe last 24 hours arrested 10
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rolling 60 members andassociates who are charged with
various federal crimes,including drug trafficking,
racketeering, conspiracy andfirearms offenses.
Four defendants already were incustody.
Law enforcement is seeking thewhereabouts of five other
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defendants, three of whom areexpected to be in custody
shortly.
Two defendants, includingHenley, are considered fugitives
.
Right, let me get back in here.
According to an affidavit filedwith the criminal complaint
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field monday, filed monday andunsealed today, from 2010 to the
present, henley's criminalgroup, identified in court
documents as the Big UEnterprise, operated as a
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mafia-like organization thatutilized Henley's stature and
longstanding association withthe Rolling Sixties and other
street gangs to intimidatebusinesses, individuals in Los
Angeles.
Henley is widely regarded as aleader within the rolling
sixties and rose to prominencein the street gang during the
1980s.
While the big U enterprise attimes partnered with the rolling
sixties and other criminalelements for mutual benefit, the
big U enterprise is a distinctand independent criminal
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enterprise engaged in criminalactivity, including murder,
extortion, robbery, trafficking,trafficking and exploiting sex
workers, fraud and illegalgambling.
They just piling on here.
For example, in January of 2021, henley murdered a victim
identified in the affidavit asRW, an aspiring musician.
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Musician signed to Unique Music, henley and Martin's music
label.
Shortly before RW's murder,henley and Unique Music paid for
RW to travel to Las Vegas torecord music at a Grammy Award
winning music producer studio.
But RW did not record at theagreed upon rate and instead
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recorded a defamatory song aboutHenley, causing Henley and
Robinson to travel to Las Vegasto confront him.
Henley allegedly drove RW toNorth Las Vegas, shot him in the
head and dragged the victim'sbody off Interstate 15 into the
desert and left it in a ditch.
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Henley returned to Los Angeleswith Robinson and ordered studio
workers to leave, while hisassociate removed security
surveillance footage from thestudio.
Henley allegedly later orderedwitnesses to not speak with law
enforcement about RW's murder.
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Not only did the enterpriseexpand its power through
violence, fear and intimidation,but it also used social media
platforms, documentaries,podcast interviews and henley's
reputation and status as an ogin quotations original gangster
to create fame for, and stoke ofstoke fear of, the big u
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enterprise, its members and itsassociates.
And furthermore, in furtheranceof the end of the enterprise,
henley allegedly submitted afraudulent application for a
covet 19 pandemic relief loan inwhich he claimed that Unique
Music was operating at a$200,000 profit in 2019, despite
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operating at a $5,000 loss thatyear, which would have
disqualified it from loaneligibility and PPP loans.
Enriched itself by defraudingdonors to nonprofit entities
under the control of the Big UEnterprise, including Henley's
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charity Developing Options.
That was the name of thecharity, the Developing Options,
a Hyde Park-based nonprofit.
Henley marketed DevelopingOptions as giving South Los
Angeles youth alternativechoices to gang violence, drugs
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and other criminal activity, butthe Big U enterprise allegedly
used it as a front forfraudulent purposes and to
insulate its members fromsuspicion by law enforcement.
Henley allegedly embezzledlarge donations that celebrities
and award-winning companiesmade to developing options,
which henley immediatelyconverted to his personal bank
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account.
According to the complaint,developing options is primarily
funded through the city of LosAngeles mayor's office, through
the Gang Reduction YouthDevelopment Foundation, portions
of which receive federalfunding, but also receives
donations from prominent sources, including NBA players.
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The RICO charges against MrHenley and his associates
reflect a pattern of crimes thatruns the gambit from extortion
to tax evasions, all under theumbrella of a well-organized
criminal organization led by MrHenley, says Special Agent in
Charge Tyler Hatcher, irsCriminal Complaint Investigation
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, criminal Investigation,criminal complaint investigation
, criminal investigation LosAngeles field office.
Additionally, mr Henleyallegedly duped the county of
Los Angeles by running acharitable organization that
promoted anti-gang solutionswhile continuing criminal
activity that was directlycontrary to his charity.
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Right, it was fellow lawenforcement organizations,
criminal organizations, a bunchof cap right there.
From day one, the Los AngelesPolice Department has been proud
to stand shoulder to shoulderwith the FBI in this critical
investigation, said Los AngelesPolice Chief Jim McDonald.
Invulnerable enterpriseprovided by the Operation South
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Bureau FBI Task Force on theRolling 60s criminal street gang
has played a pivotal role insecuring these charges.
This is a major step forward inour ongoing fight against gang
violence and it brings hope andrelief to a community that has
been that has endured far toomuch.
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Together, we will continue toprotect and serve, working
tirelessly to ensure the safetyof our neighborhoods.
And that's the end of the.
The press release and again alot of it is capped and they
sensationalized a lot of thethings in here.
But I looked at the indictmentand I'm telling you, family,
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they loaded him up, they loadedhim up heavy on them charges.
They want this dude gone.
They don't never want him backNow.
Big U was a very imposingfigure in the California,
california, los angeles area andthis is something I've heard
from people in the industry thatI know personally and also
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through all the differentarticles and things like that.
He's very imposing.
Hold on um.
The thing I just can'tunderstand about all of this Is
that you, an OG from the 80s,and you up there on these social
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media platforms talking Big you, my brother, man, come on bro.
How did you fall in?
How did you fall in?
How did you fall?
I know I was talking to my ladythe other day and she's you
know, I I'm not in the streets,no more.
I would be out.
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If I was out there now, I wouldbe.
I would be lost as a sheep inthe ocean.
Because I don't, I don'tunderstand.
We are in a time now thateverything is about attention.
Attention is the new drug now.
It's the new drug of choice.
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It's attention.
You got gangsters that are onYouTube, they on Facebook, they
on Instagram, they on X, theytweeting, they tweet, they do.
I mean, these are street guysdoing this and I don't
understand it.
The time, the era I come from,guys didn't did not want to be
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known.
They didn't.
If you were in real criminalactivity and you was into the
streets doing what you do, youdidn't want the fame and the
notoriety.
I don't know when that stuffstarted.
I really don't know when itstarted.
The ball was dropped somewhere.
I think John Gotti played intothat because he was very frowned
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upon because of his flamboyancyand his showmanship in the
Coastal North.
Those guys, the mafia guys,they didn't like that.
I think that's the beginning ofit.
But it's so far now that theseguys, you got to understand
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these agencies, these lawenforcement agencies FBI, CIA,
whatever local law enforcement.
They have units assigned tothese gangs and street,
different street organizationsand stuff like that.
Their job is to come in in themorning or whenever the shift is
on, get their coffee, theirbreakfast or whatever, and they
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set up the computer screens andthey on Instagram, they on
YouTube, they on Facebook, theyon LinkedIn, they on this, they
on that rumble and blah, blah,blah, blah, blah, blah.
They all over the place and theyjust hit the play button and
listen, look and listen and forsome reason, these guys it's not
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just blacks doing it, it's alot of it's more of us doing it
than it's because the Italiansis doing it too.
Everybody's doing it, but theseguys love to go on these
platforms.
Vlad and all this.
You see Boosie, all the time.
He's always on Vlad talkingabout stuff, and you don't
supposed to talk about what youdid out there in the street.
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Talk about the music man.
Talk about what you're doing inthe neighborhoods with the
community or whatever.
Don't talk about stuff, musicman.
Talk about what you're doing inthe neighborhoods with the
community or whatever.
Don't talk about stuff you did.
You know these guys, man,everybody wants to be a badass,
everybody wants to be bad.
And look, see, I got 30 niggaswith me and we want club.
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Just goofiness.
I don't understand thestupidity behind it.
Big you, you had to know oncethe whispers there was whispers
about you having something to dowith the death of a well-liked
person like Nipsey Hussle.
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Once you understood and gotwind of that that your name was
circulating, you were supposedto start your exit because you
had to know this time was coming.
They probably was already onyou.
They probably was already onyou, but you had to know they
(52:52):
was coming.
Right, and you still was on.
You know, I got let me see, canI find it, family.
Let me see, can I find it.
That clip of this guy talkingtalking.
Hold on, let me see Can I findthis stuff with this guy.
Man, I couldn't believe it.
Yeah, I know where it is, Icouldn't believe it.
(53:13):
Hold on.
Now here's a clip of him.
This is Big U.
This is Big U Talking about thecheck-in thing.
Hold on, you're going to makeit out.
Speaker 9 (53:26):
You're going to make it out, don't matter, you're a
nice, go hard.
Speaker 8 (53:43):
Movie production in the hood.
Speaker 3 (53:46):
That's how we do it, young man.
Speaker 8 (53:49):
Top flight baby GB running this here movie set in
the hood.
Come on out here.
Come on out here and check inwith GB getting these movies
done.
You better know it.
Anytime you want to do moviesin the hood, just check it in.
We can make sure it's donemovies, videos.
But if you don't check it in,oh well, let's go check your ass
(54:12):
out.
We're going to check you in,all right, we're going to check
in all of your equipment.
We're going to check in all ofyour equipment.
Speaker 3 (54:24):
Now you heard him.
He really told right then, andthere you told on yourself, you
told on yourself.
In other words, they came down,some production company came
down to the hood in LA to filmsomething a movie, a video,
whatever it was and you postedsomething on the social media
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talking about coming down thehood.
You got you talking aboutyou're going to do a movie.
You got you better check in orwe're going to check you in,
like that's extortion, that'sextortion, right there.
Now all the feds and lawenforcement did was hit the play
button and let you talk.
Let you talk.
These guys man getting on, theyare no jumping in, vlad, and
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they're always talking andtalking about street business.
You know, the golden rule wasalways you don't discuss street
business, you don't discuss that.
And these guys, they studiedman, they studied yapping,
because everybody wantsattention, everybody wants to be
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the baddest dude and they wantthe attention.
See what I'm doing over here.
Look at me to be the baddestdude, and they want the
attention.
See what I'm doing over here,look at me.
Even I used to say all the timeyou, you had guys back in the
90s and stuff early 2000 he hadwould have big um music systems
in the cars and the trucks andstuff.
So you come down the street,man, every you, you could hear a
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dude coming from blocks awaybecause the bass would be
shaking the sidewalk and you'dbe saying, man, what the hell is
that you hear this music comingfrom four or five blocks away?
And when you finally come towhere you're at, the music is so
loud, music is so loud, and youand you're saying to yourself,
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how is he sitting in there withthat, driving with that, gotta
be blowing your eardrums out.
What's?
What's the purpose of that?
Because you want attention.
See rolling down the street.
You know that bass is boomingand music is loud as hell and
everybody gotta look.
People gotta look at that andsee where it's coming from.
So you want eyes on you.
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I never wanted this is just me.
I was always a shy person, buteven when I was doing what I was
doing, I didn't want nobody toknow that what I was doing, I
didn't want that to be known.
But these guys, they, everybodywants to be seen.
There's more, there's more.
(56:59):
Let us go to it.
We got to get ready to get outof here soon, really fast.
Let's see what this one's about.
Hold on.
Speaker 9 (57:10):
When did the DNA come back?
Speaker 2 (57:12):
It came back two months ago.
Speaker 9 (57:15):
And they still ain't arrested the nigga.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
Well, they told me, between me and you, please
between me and you, don't tellnobody, because they don't want
nobody to know.
They're going to be making anarrest the end of March, the
beginning of April Gotcha, I'mgoing to sit back and watch the
show and they're basically goingto put his case and Nipsey
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Hussle's case together.
The same person that the DNA Imean the lawyer for Nipsey
Hussle is going to be doing mybrother's case too.
Speaker 9 (57:55):
You mean the DA?
Speaker 2 (57:56):
Yeah, district Attorney.
Oh, okay.
Speaker 3 (58:00):
Yeah, now that was the sister of the guy, the RW
guy from the murder in Las Vegason the Interstate 15.
That was the mother, not thesister.
The mother, now she had thiscall, this phone conversation
with wag 100.
He recorded it and he came outwith it saying he knew, he knew
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all the time.
You know, everybody want to besee.
I told y'all I was privy to theinformation.
I I knew what was going on.
That's his angle from it and ithelps build his credibility as
far as information goes.
I don't understand, becausehe's supposed to be a gangbanger
to a affiliate.
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Well, he's a businessman, hehas businesses going on but he's
a talker too.
He talks and talks, and talks,talks.
I don't understand it.
But hey, hey, this is what itis family.
But these, now that that theysupposedly from what I read in
the indictment there was DNAfrom Big U, they found under
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that kid's fingernails matchesBig U.
Now they're going to try to tiethat murder in with the Nipsey
Hussle situation.
Then there's talk of remember Idid a some time ago, I did
about a year or two when thisfirst happened the PNB Rock
young man that was murdered outin California at the Roscoe's
(59:27):
Chicken and Waffles.
He was unaligned for his jury.
Now there's people, there'sscenes, there's talk, there's
there's sayings, this talkcirculating now that that you,
big you and this other dude um,what's this loose cannon dude
had something to do with thatand from what I understand, they
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were supposedly in therestaurant when this robbery
took place.
I I don't know if it was towatch to make sure everything
went off right, but I'm going toplay something.
Hold on from that, hold on,let's get to it.
Here it is, hold on.
Speaker 9 (01:00:05):
Rock got killed In the Nebraska.
So I felt it was like super,super messed up because at the
end of the day, it was me andBig Useless in there when it
happened.
So when it happened I wish Icould have just told him like
(01:00:27):
bro, just give up the jury andwe get it back to you later.
Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
But it just happened so fast and yeah, now that's the
loose cannon dude he's.
He's caught up in thisindictment too.
He was charged in this.
He's on this complaint alongwith Big U and them Now.
They said he would date him andBig U was in the restaurant
when this robbery went down.
And you heard him say that hewished he could have just told
(01:00:55):
the homie they'll give up yourjewelry.
We got you.
Later on we're gonna get itback for you.
Just give it up right now.
And this, uh, this is a messman.
This is a mess.
And then big you did on it, onhim turning himself in.
He shot a couple of videos, acouple of shorts and you, he
asking people to pray for him.
And it's going to be years offhis life.
(01:01:16):
Man, you can't go aroundthrowing your weight around like
that man and bullying everybodyand extorting people.
And now you're asking people topray for you.
I don't know, I'm not here tojudge.
I'm not here to judge big you.
I don't know the brother, butonce your name came up in an
(01:01:39):
ipsy situation, bro, you weresupposed to go sit down
somewhere.
You were supposed to go sitdown somewhere.
Tarik did a, did a program onhis youtube channel the day,
talking about this type of thinghere, where, guys, you know,
when you're in the street, thepurpose is, the reason why you
get in the street is becauseother choices have dried up or
you feel like you don't.
(01:02:00):
You, you're trapped in there's,there's no money or whatever.
You can't get no job orwhatever the case might be.
You might not have theeducation or whatever.
So you got to turn to the, tothe underworld life.
But the goal, the goal isalways to make to get out, get
in and get out.
Only a fool wants to stay doingcrime your whole life, the.
(01:02:22):
The object of the game is toget in, make what you gotta do
what you gotta do and get out.
Once you start hitting licksand you start making money and
you're starting to make animpact and you're getting your
weight up, you're supposed to begetting ready to make your exit
away from that life becauseyou're not there to stay.
(01:02:44):
And this is a lot of themistakes a lot of people make.
This is why a lot of these kidsfollow these rappers, because
they glorify street business andit's not to be glorified.
Street things happen.
We've always had undergroundsocieties, always Crime is.
(01:03:05):
As long as human beings aregoing to be in existence,
there's going to be crime.
So we're not here to argue thatpoint.
But the objection is to get inand get out of it.
It's not there for you to staythere.
It's not a life you want towake up every day and just be an
(01:03:26):
outlaw or a criminal At somepoint.
You want that to change.
Because you start having kids,children, you start having a
family, or whatever the casemight be.
You don't want that same life.
Because you start having kids,children you start having a
family, or whatever the casemight be, you don't want that
same life for your children.
I don't know there's peoplelike that, that the, the, the
lifestyle goes from generationto generation, but I don't know.
(01:03:48):
I don't know any parent thatdoesn't want better for their
children in.
In other words, I'm doing whatI'm doing to put you in school
maybe private school, or maybecollege or whatever or to get
you a trade where you can openyour own business.
I'm making these sacrifices nowfor you to have better than I
(01:04:08):
did.
I don't want you going throughthis.
What kind of example would Iset as your parent or your uncle
or your older elder in yourfamily?
If I'm stay doing this and I'mhelping you do it, I'm
glorifying it.
Man, we don't want to.
Let's, let's, um.
But the last thing I want totouch on family before we get
out of here.
(01:04:28):
We got to get, we got to blow,we got to blow, um, this talk
and we're to.
I'm going to set everything upfor us to talk about it next
week and, malik, you're comingup next week, so get ready
because you're coming up nextweek.
King will be here and we'regoing to talk.
Is talk now about how Trump isrolling back certain civil
(01:04:51):
rights legislation, withgovernment contractors or
whatever the case might be, andthey were looking to see how we
were going to react to it andthey're just not getting the
reaction that they thought theywas going to get, because we're
not sweating that.
My thing is this Bring it.
Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Bring it.
Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
Yes, segregation, bring it.
I'm begging, begging you, I'mbegging white society.
I'm begging president trump.
Yes, bring back segregation,and I'll tell you why before we
depart.
I'll tell you why.
Because pre-desegregation,because we never integrated, but
pre-segregate,pre-desegregation, we had black
(01:05:34):
townships, we had much moreblack-owned businesses, we had
our marriage rates in ourcommunity were much higher,
right, and we relied on eachother.
So, bring it back, becausethat's going to force us to do
commerce with each other and tostop with all the silliness in
(01:05:56):
the party and get down tobusiness and we will be forced
to deal with each other like weused to.
Instead, all this hate and allthis foolishness and all this
foolery and monkey businessgoing on in the community, we'll
be forced back into a timewhere we rely on each other and
(01:06:16):
we work with each other, needeach other more.
So please bring I'm begging you, I'm begging you, president
Trump bring it back.
Yes, I would love to seesegregation come back.
Oh, yeah, yeah, let's bring itback.
Well, I ain't got to go.
When I want to go buy a car, Ican go to a black dealership.
When I want to go to a bank orwhatever, I can go to a
(01:06:39):
black-owned bank and have accesswhere I wouldn't have it in
present time.
So bring it back, because ourfamilies, our family unity was
much stronger pre-desegregationright, we were doing business
with each other, we had morebusiness.
We didn't have all this, thesesingle mother households and all
(01:07:01):
this.
We didn't have all of that.
So so go to work, baby.
Yes, you, you, you know.
Go to work.
Go to work, president Trump, goto work, ted, yes, and me and
my man, malik, we going to be uphere next week talking about
this, but right now we got tobounce up out of here In the
words, in the words of Big Kingyou must respect life, love
(01:07:24):
justice, cherish freedom andtreasure peace.
Y'all go in peace and keep thepeace.
And we're going to be back,we're going to be back next week
and, like I said, we're goingto talk about it.
I wanted to play some of mybrother, phil Scott's, up here,
but we don't, we out of time andwe got to go.
And, yeah, come on back.
Come on back, cause we got some.
We got some hot grease waitingfor the fire.
(01:07:47):
Peace, thank you.
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