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Speaker 1 (00:39):
The peace, peace, and welcome back to freeman's
affairs, freedman's Network.
We're back here again today,april 15th 2025.
The math for today we'redealing with is knowledge power.
Knowledge power is the math fortoday, and that borns equality,
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right, equality, right.
And this, the topics we'regoing to be talking about today,
is congruent with equality,because this is the way politics
is supposed to be set up, inequity and fairness.
And, on the line with me, I gothe's he's back, family he's
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back, and no further ado, I gotmy man, divine Prince, on the
line.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Come on on Divine and greet the folks.
What's going on, family, what'sgoing on?
Feels good to be back.
You told me that this would besome or was already my home to
spend with you and the family.
To just get back home, man.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
It really does.
This is your house.
It's going to be your housetoday, bro, and I'm going to let
you spit.
Whatever you want to talk about, we're going to get into and
that's what it's going to be.
So, family, you ready, Withoutfurther ado.
Devon, where you want to startat.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Man, I just want to make sure that, uh, we hold true
to what you just said today'smath is, and how you segway that
into equality, um, and thingsthat make.
If I wanted to make sure, I kindof discussed on what's going on
in the current, uh, politicalarena around diversity, that
same equity and inclusion, andjust let the FEM know that, even
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though initially thoseinitiatives and those policies
and programs were set up tobenefit us, those foundations of
Black Americans that you know,that was given the status of
freedom, now what it has becomeis a perverted version of what
it was supposed to be, wherecurrently, to any DEI program,
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policy or initiative, theoverwhelming majority of the
benefits and positions go towhite women.
Where only 4% of the positionsand benefits of any DEI program
or contract of any of thatnature has been laid at the feet
of the Black community.
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And we understand, because ofthe lack of disaggregation in
the data, that 4% is acombination of not just us but
also the Afro-immigrants thathave come over largely after
1980.
And so if we parse that out tofind out how much of that 4%
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actually goes to us, it will beeven less than that.
So it right in line with whatyou talked about.
There is a need for us tocreate, in the ashes of what is
being dismantled, programs andpolicies on the political arena
that benefit us and are just forus.
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So instead of 4%, we will begetting a hundred percent of
those things that we advocateand fight for.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yes, man, I'm in 100% agreeance with you on that.
Now, speaking to the DEI thing,speaking to that, it was kicked
off the way it was kicked off.
It was kicked off by the blackclergy with the boycott thing, a
nationwide boycott of DEI forcompanies, walmart, target, et
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cetera, et cetera, and it fellflat.
And then the way it was done,the way it was done and
presented to the people, itwasn't good.
The optics of it here in NewYork City, al Sharpton with the
Costco thing, the optics of itwas terrible.
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It was a, it was a performativetype of thing for the cameras.
He gave them $25 gift cards togo into Costco's to shop,
because Costco is one of theconglomerates that didn't bother
with the DEI thing.
They left their program the wayit is, on the surface.
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Who knows how they're doing iton the inside?
But they left it alone on thesurface and this is supposed to
be a buy, what they call it, abuy-in for costco, right, right,
and it was a.
It was a terrible optic gavethem 25 gift cards.
You can't get nothing out oftarget for 20, 25, damn near
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nothing.
Anyway.
The people took the cards,cameras watched them go in the
store and they went right backout, never shopped, and it
looked bad.
Then what?
A week, about a week or two ago,jamal Bryant had to finally
come out and say how ineffectivethat it was.
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He copped to it and it was abad idea to start with, because
you have, for one thing, youhave a lot of creators and
people, entrepreneurs, that arein business with Target and
Walmart and different places.
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You have black entrepreneursthat are in in actual contracts
with these companies and nowsome of them, because of this
thing, a lot of the.
I think it was target thatstarted nullifying the contracts
because of this as a backlash.
Like I said said it beforetarget makes on average daily
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from the black consumer $12million, which is a drop in the
bucket.
Compared to their daily profitmargins.
It's a drop in the bucket.
It's not even significant.
So this is why they took thebold stand that they did to
nullify the contracts with theentrepreneurs and it actually
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ended up hurting black business.
Maybe I'm wrong, but this is howI read it, okay, and I argued
with some people Some peoplecall me and text me back and
forth and and we went back andforth.
You know, sometimes people seethings different.
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I saw it as it wasn't.
It wasn't a good look, itwasn't a strategic maneuver at
all.
You did that as a performativething for the cameras.
Then you had the Jamal Bryantdo it when he was giving his
sermon I don't know if youwatched it and he was doing all
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that performative and God, youknow the crap they be doing.
You know the hooping.
The hooping, yeah, like a hoggetting ready to go to slaughter
or something.
You know what I mean.
So, because that stuff plays onthe emotion of our people, our
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people are very emotional andthey know these pastors and
preachers and ministers knowthis and they play on that and
this is how they get their money.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
But you go ahead, bro .
Yeah, no, and I want to justsay, because I mean this is a
very multilayered and nuancedconversation conversation, as
most of our conversations nowhave to be, because of just the
multiple layers they have laidon top of what they've done.
It's no longer cut and dry,black and white, right?
No pun intended.
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And so to your direct pointwhat you're talking about, I
mean just if we're going to befrank and we home right now, and
we home and we talking with thefamily, so you know, when we
talk with the family we canspeak plainly.
And so you know I'm not goingto sit here and disparage any
good, legitimate work thatReverend Al might have done in
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the past.
But even when we get outside ofhim actually being a certified,
documented informant right,when you look at his body of
work, we got to talk about it,right, but even outside of that
we could get back on that we seethat has happened to Reverend
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Al is what has happened to toomany of our organizations and
public figures over time,throughout time in our history
in this country, and what he hasbecome has just been controlled
opposition, and so what he'spaid to do is to dispel and
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disperse any energy from ourcommunity that will become
radical and inspire, create andforce the transformative change
that's needed to make a realimpact in a way in which his
symbolic gestures are claimed todo or claim to be about right.
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And so I mean, one day we gotto do a show just on Reverend Al
right, like if we can really goin and break down what he
represents, but, moreimportantly, what he has done
and what has been done throughhim by the system of white
supremacy to just continue tohold and halt any type of
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progress that our community hasachieved.
And and before I let you backin, I also want to just talk
about what jamal bryantrepresents.
Right, he see, there's a reason.
Both of them together representand are the reasons why and
this is no shot at our sisters,because we love our FBA sisters
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but you know, what makes usdifferent is what makes us great
, and the yin and yang right andhis doctrine are designed to
appeal to our women and to womenin general, because it's really
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based on a lot of feel good,empty symbolism.
And our sisters are veryempathetic and lead with their
emotions, which again makes themgreat when we're paired up
together, but separately and inthe way in which these, both,
both these systems separate us.
That's the reason why,inversely, a lot of our
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foundation of black American menhave just kind of checked out a
bulk of those institutions,because when we think about it
logically and see how much ofthis is empty symbolism with no
tangible substance, we like, allright, man, you go ahead.
We know we not going.
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Are we allowed to curse up here, do you, bro?
Do you All right?
All right, so we not going toshit on you.
I mean, that's just man cold,you know what I'm saying.
We not going to shit on you perse, but when we see you on the
bullshit, we're going to be like, all right, get ahead with that
.
And that's why, you see, in bothof their congregations, if you
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will, the overwhelming majorityare women and older people.
I won't even call them eldersbecause some of them is just not
elders in the way in which werespect elders, based on wisdom
and still pushing for thecommunity.
So that's why you see thedemographic and makeup of their
congregations look like it does.
And now that they're whollythreatened by what we're doing
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in a grassroots movement because, again, we don't play into
those gender roles, and now,more and more, there's a whole
bunch of, there's a rising tideof our sisters that's like nah,
we're not with the emptysymbolism bullshit either.
We need tangible results forourselves, because we got some
things going on for our families, our babies and for our men
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that we are standing beside.
And this unit that's comingtogether based on tangibles is
something that they are very,very afraid of and working
feverishly with the powerstructure, mind you, to try to
quell so that they can maintainsome power, the status quo and
some level of order.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
OK yeah.
I want to.
You know, I had my big brother,king, up here about a week or
two ago.
About two weeks ago I had Kingup here.
I don't know if you heard theplayback.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
No, I got to go listen to that episode.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, it was long.
We stayed up here about an hourand a half hour and 40 minutes.
We stayed up here that day.
Anyway, he reminded me back inthe 90s, um, right over here in
Brooklyn at the slave theater.
They had a program there and AlSharpton was in touch with with
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uh, asada Shakur, you knowTupac's aunt slash godmother
right and he was trying to getAssata Shakur to come to to the
slave theater to do a lecture,right, but he had the feds on
speed dial.
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This was, this was a trap toget her to come here.
If she came here, they'd havegot her on US soil.
You know she's been gone overto Cuba, exactly, you understand
, and that was the trap to gether to come here to arrest her
on US, united States soil.
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Wow, they'd have had her when Ihad forgot about it.
But King, big King, reminded me.
Malik was up here two weeks agoand reminded me of that.
And that's when we because backin the days I loved it revving
out, fat, revving out with thetracksuits and stuff and the
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perm and everything.
He was a freedom fighter, hewas fighting for the folks.
A lot of it was veryopportunistic stuff he was doing
, you know, because you know hewas almost like, but he
nonetheless, he would stand inthe face of that.
But then, but then when he gothooked in with don King and the
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mob guys, it was MichaelFrancesi and them, and Michael
Francesi recently spoke to thisand he said he told on his
YouTube channel.
Michael Francesi said he saidI'm telling you, the black
community.
That guy, reverend Al Sharpton,is a rat and he's no good.
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He will sell y'all down thepipes.
This is the worst Because,remember, they had to record of
him on a video with the cowboyhat and he's.
There was some kind of big drugdeal supposedly had went on, or
he was plugged into a drug plugor something like that.
And Don King well, they went toDon King and was the mob guys,
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because you know, don Kingalways been juiced in with them
guys and they went to Don andwas like Don, who is this guy?
We don't know him.
Don, I think Don King vouchedfor him and, you know, said some
good things about him and theywas trying to do business with
him, but he turned out to be aninformant, a rat.
It's one of them guys and theonly reason probably why they
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didn't kill him because the mobhad a little respect for the
black community back then.
The mob had a little respectfor the black community back
then.
They was, you know, because yougot to remember, back in the
Honorable Elijah Muhammad days,when the Nation of Islam, the
FOI, they were really strong.
They gave the mob headaches Alot of people don't know that,
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but they gave the mob headaches.
I know of personal stories thatI can tell you that people, the
players that were involved,told me personally the Colombo
family, all of them, fivefamilies.
They knew the presence of nomatter.
For why, guys, you know,brother Glad.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Oh, that's heavy.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah, brother Glad man, I could tell you stories
for days.
I remember one time justgetting on veering off a little
bit, they I think it was theColombo family back in those
days they were hijacking trucksand during that time in the
early 70s, late 60s, early 70s,the Honorable Ajah Muhammad had
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fleets of trucks bringing fish,meat and produce all over the
country.
One of those families hijackeda couple of those trucks, right,
yusef Shah, and those truckswere coming to New York.
Yusef Shah, who was CaptainJoseph of the FOI of the East
Coast region of the Nation ofIslam FOI paramilitary, east
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Coast region of the Nation ofIslam FOI paramilitary.
He called the bosses forwhichever family that hijacked
the trucks and said look, y'allgot 24 hours to get them trucks
back.
I think it was two or threetrucks that they hijacked.
He said y'all got 24 hours toget those trucks back with every
bit of merchandise that was inthem.
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They got those trucks back withevery bit of merchandise that
was in them.
They got those trucks back.
There was a mutual respect thatthe mob had with the Nation of
Islam.
You know the FOIs at that time,most of them dudes were
gangsters that came into thenation at that time, most of
them guys were street guys, soyou know.
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But yeah, but back to it, revanAl.
He was a he's a creep man, he'sa real creep.
When he did that move withdefense, that attempted move
with Asada Shakur, I lost allrespect for him.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Hmm, man, I could imagine.
It's rumored too that you know,on a less you know nefarious
note, but still underhanded deal, that is said that he got his
show on MSNBC, you know, becauseat the time Tom Cass was being
sued for racial discrimination,was being sued for racial
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discrimination and you know it'sbeen said they used that to pay
him off, to provide them withcover, to say, hey, they're not
really racist, they didn't dowhat they did.
And so, you know, in true rapfashion, he was like let me get
what I can get and then I'llgive you guys cover.
You know he's been operatinglike that for a really, really
long time.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Really long and it just I don't see how people but
you know people are easilymanipulated, manipulated, same
thing.
Now, I don't know much aboutthis jamal bright dude.
You know this dude, he's been inall kind of sexual scams,
scandals and with his marriageand all that stuff so how are
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y'all still going to see thisdude man and giving him that
kind of accolade the way you do?
But, like you said, it's mostlywomen and these dudes, these
dudes, they come from the hustle.
They come from the hustle, sothey know how to talk to these
women.
You understand, you know it's aform of pimping.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I'm just being honest , it's a form of pimping.
I'm just being honest, it's aform of pimping Prosperity
pimping.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, prosperity, pimping, yeah.
So, but Revenant, we have along history with him here in
this city.
Because, you got to remember,all these cats were tight with
Trump, and I was arguing withthis the other day with some
folks, that's right, all of themwere tight with Trump because
and I was arguing with this theother day with some folks,
that's right, all of them weretight with Trump because Trump,
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trump gave Jesse Jackson, Ithink, a million dollars to
start his campaign for hispresidential run.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Million dollars when Jennifer Hudson.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
That's a million dollars in the 80s.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yes, Back in the 80s, right Jennifer Hudson when her
family was murdered?
Do you know?
He put the rest of the familyup in Trump Towers for six
months.
Free of charge.
Free of charge he went to courtwith Michael Jackson every day
when Mike was on trial for theaccusations charge.
He went to court with MichaelJackson every day when Mike was
on trial for the accusationswith the children.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Oh yeah, I didn't know.
Damn, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
He went to court with him every day.
He was tight with Oprah and allof them.
He was their guy.
He was Democrat.
Then Now they'll bring up theywill bring up the Central Park
Five.
Right, let's talk about thatreal quick.
Let's talk about that realquick.
Yes, let's.
At the time, donald Trump was a.
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He was not a politician, but hewas a registered Democrat.
The prosecutor, the mayor allDemocrats at the time, the media
what they were saying at thetime when the media, what they
were saying at the time whenthat happened, we got them.
This is what the press wasputting out.
We got them.
The police commission all ofthem was Democrat.
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The whole gamut, from top tobottom, was Democrat.
He took out an ad I think it wasin the New York Times or the
Post, I think it was the Times.
He took the ad out that theyshould get the death penalty
Based on the information.
They coerced those boys intoconfessing.
But see, they were silly kidsin the park.
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Now I met one-to-turnpolitician Y.
Now I met one to turnpolitician Yusuf.
I met him.
We was doing at the time, I wasadvocating against the death
penalty at the time and he wasdoing the same thing and I met
him at a meeting up in Harlemand I got to talk to him and he
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subsequently he's a politiciannow, but anyway they were silly
kids running around doing inbecause central park back in
those days that's whereeverybody went.
That was playing hooky.
From school I went to school,high school in manhattan, so
everybody went to central park.
Either you was going there torob or you were going there to
hang out and you know, smokeyour weed or do whatever and
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kids would be wowing.
Back then they called it wowingand that's what happened.
But the cat that actually donethe assault on the woman, he
confessed to that years later,yep, and said those boys had
nothing to do with it.
But see, my thing is this whywould you?
I'm not copping to nothing.
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You're not going to make meconfess to nothing I didn't do.
I never confessed to anythingthat I did and I know I did it
and I'm not confessing to it.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Talk about that.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
And we're going to talk about that a little bit
later before we depart.
But back to these guys.
Back to these guys with thisthing, though it's just, their
time is up, their time is up.
This movement we got going.
This movement is taking on andit's getting stronger.
There's more momentum, growingday by day.
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That's why I brought you in onthe Godzilla tip, because that's
how it's growing.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
But you go ahead, bro , I'm talking too much, you go.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, yeah, now, I was just going to just to
piggyback on what you weresaying a couple things.
Right, so going right back towell, piggyback on what you were
saying a couple things, right,so going right back to well,
let's start with what you justsaid and we can work back to old
Reverend Al.
Right, so, real quick.
Just like you said, everybodyinvolved with that Central Park
Five were Democrats.
That's what needs to be knownand repeated.
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And they don't care about that.
They never cared about thatcase.
They really don't even give adamn about that case until and
unless it's time to use it totry to score cheap political
points against Trump and usingthat as a segue of
ineffectiveness.
Let's not forget that justduring this last election cycle,
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the failed campaign by thatIndian lady, kamala Harris they
paid, they paid, they paid, theyfooled Reverend Al yeah,
$500,000.
Let's not forget half a milliondollars.
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They paid to Reverend Al andthey paid that to Reverend Al to
squeeze the last little bit ofinfluence that up is because her
campaign failed.
She paid off Reverend Al andshe paid off Roland Martin.
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And what we found out becauseof that is that, like you said,
this movement is so much morepowerful and I speak for myself
than I thought it was at thismoment in time For us to be able
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to cause that campaign to crashand burn based on her
disrespect of our community,with her cosplaying a
foundational Black Americanwoman, then pretending to
promise us men that she wasgoing to create some policies
for us, and come to find outthere were universal programs
for everybody else.
We're done with the disrespect.
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But not only are we done withthe disrespect, what we've seen
going back to that Targetquote-unquote boycott with them
in Costco.
It quote unquote boycott withthem in Costco to his check it
pass and his dwindling influenceover our community.
We're also done with thegatekeepers.
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And that's a beautiful day forus as a group and as an ethnic
group and for this movement atlarge, because now it's us
calling the shot.
We get to say no, we're notwith the anti-symbolism, just to
tie that in a bow to bring itback around to the target.
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Like I said, quote unquote,boycott what they established
during that time when they weretalking about making some moves.
This was on their website and Ithink this is important for the
family to know.
Okay, that year when they didit, it said hey, the CEO, brian
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Cornell, who was the CEO at thetime, to share their team's
steadfast commitment to standwith Black families, share their
team's steadfast commitment tostand with Black families, to
stand with Black families, tostand with Black families and
fight against racism.
Target kicked off the work witha $10 million pledge to advance
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social justice and support ourcommunities.
But that was just the start.
Since then, target hasestablished REACH, r-e-a-c-h our
Racial Equity Action and ChangeCommittee to create an action
plan to guide our way.
The six founding members aresenior leaders from across
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Target with diverse perspectivesand expertise across the
business.
Now I'm bringing that upbecause that remember they said
we want to stand with Blackfamilies.
Now they said that.
But then when we talked aboutthe money, it said to advance
social justice that's everybodyand support our communities.
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We don't know what communitiesbecause they didn't even specify
Right, they threw the switcharound Exactly because then,
when we get to the racial equityagain, racial equity that's
everybody, because everybody hasa race.
So we hear these words, wethink it's us because that's how
we've been conditioned tobelieve.
But once you say racial equity,that's equity for all races.
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And check this out, the sixfounding members of the senior
teams they put together in thename of standing with Black
families but giving $10 millionto social justice.
Out of the six members, therewas only one Black American
person.
On this, on this, on thiscommittee that's supposed to
stand with our families againstracism.
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One out of the six was a blackAmerican and she was a woman.
Right, right, there's a whitewoman on there.
Three quote unquote people ofcolor Hispanics and a
continental African.
And this is what happens.
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Dealing with seeing that we knowthe Republicans ain't shit in
certain, in certain light.
Right, we know that.
But this is the thing that theDemocrats do on the liberal side
of things.
That makes it look like they'redoing something for us but are
practicing white supremacy witha smile.
And we got to get much betterat calling it out so that we are
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now more policy over party, andthat means any party, because
true liberation in the politicalsense for our people is
demanding policy from any side Idon't want to say both sides
from any side, I won't even sayboth sides, but any side and
making a decision based on that,so that the anti-symbolism that
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gets trotted out by the leftand this fake, rugged
individualism, you can putyourself up by the bootstrap
that gets peddled out by theright.
We can do away with all thatshit and say, no, we are
taxpaying citizens.
We've been paying in for thelongest, with the highest and
longest outstanding unpaidjustice claim debt and this
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government, regardless ofwhatever party, is going to pay
that and we're going to makesure it gets paid in full.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I'm with you.
I'm with you 100% on thatDivine, great point you just
brought up.
And while I got you on thatright there, I want to ask you,
and I'm quite sure the audiencewants to there's people that
want to know this too.
Now, I listened to the othernight.
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Uh, dana and judge joe brownwas on and they did a, they did
a live show and they weretalking about.
They had some calling peopleand they were talking about.
Some of the folks were talkingabout the freedmen and the
reparations thing, and both danaand judge joe brown well, you
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know he gets a little gravitasand he's talking we don't need
that shit.
Good, if you could do all thisstuff for yourself.
You don't need the governmentthis, this and that and then
this constant trope about we areperpetual victims.
We fall into the because.
Now, I don't.
I haven't asked Dana thisquestion about, and I want to
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ask her this Do you think,because we talk about
reparations, we're pushing forit, we're advocating for it?
Is that what you call us webeing perpetual victims and
we're looking for handouts?
Speaker 2 (33:12):
This is the talk man, that's a great.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
This is the talk and this is.
I'm tired of that trope aboutoh, y'all waiting on it, we're
not waiting on the government.
It's just like when somebodyowe you some dough in the
streets or whatever the casemight be, yeah, you're going to
get some more money, but youstill want the money they owe
you.
Just because I'm still gettingmoney elsewhere doesn't mean I
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forgot about what you owe me.
So I'm tired of the trope aboutus being beggars and we're
waiting on government handouts.
We're doing what we got to do.
Part of now, dana I understood,because she did explain some of
it.
We can.
There's a lot we can do forourselves.
(33:58):
There's a lot because we'vedone it before.
Historically we've done it.
Black Wall Street's all over theplace, but a part of that is
galvanizing the people undersome kind of call.
I think and this is a perfectplace to start with the
reparations you have differentideals of what reparations
(34:21):
should be and how we should goabout it, but nonetheless it is
a conversation.
We can all galvanize aroundTangible benefits laws to
protect us.
We can all galvanize aroundtangible benefits Laws to
protect us.
Once we do get ourselves to afinancial independent state,
(34:49):
we're going to need laws toprotect us because of what
happened before, when we got towhere we needed to be and people
just came and just took thingsfrom us to where we needed to be
, and people just came and justtook things from us and they
targeted us with different.
What do they call those things?
Those laws, those Black codes,the black codes, the when they
destroyed the townships, these?
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Eminent domain.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Eminent domain and all of this stuff, urban renewal
and things like that.
This is how they finessed usand got that stuff away from us
and finessed us.
So we need protections againstthat.
But I'm tired of the trope thatwe're just sitting around
begging for reparations, for agovernment check.
That's not what we're doingFrom this microphone right here.
(35:34):
Divine I, when we with thefoolishness, when the people in
the community are with thefoolishness, I call it out.
When they was back here about ayear or two ago, they was doing
all that shooting and carryingon around the country on 4th of
July shootouts and at theseevents in Chicago, there I was
saying I got right on them.
I got right on them.
(35:54):
If y'all don't cut thisfoolishness out, these people
are going to declare martial lawin some of these cities where
we at and you're going to havethe military locking down these
urban cities where our people at, if y'all don't cut this
foolishness out with theseshootings and carrying on.
That's what I said from thismicrophone.
(36:14):
So it's not like, no, we're notsitting around waiting for a
government handout.
First of all, it's not ahandout.
Now, judge Joe Brown.
I love him, I respect him andeverything, and he has a very
traditional mind when it comesto constitutional things, but
(36:35):
he's in character most of thetime so he gets very grovel in
his tone.
You don't need that shit, youknow he's, but he means well.
I believe he means well and,like with some of us, he's.
But he means well, I believe hemeans well and, like with some
of us, he's fed up with some ofthe behavior and I understand
(36:56):
that.
At the same time, at the sametime, you are out of touch with
what's going, you don't?
I've heard some of his, some ofhis tropes and, in my opinion,
judge, you're out of out oftouch with with the youth.
They not, these kids are notall.
These kids are not suckers andpunks.
(37:17):
Gotta, you, gotta remember alot of us older cats dropped the
ball and left these kids outhere.
So you know.
But can you speak to that?
Can you speak to that, please,devon, speak to that.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Man, I could.
First of all let me shout.
I want to give a shout out tomy sister, dana with the data,
and I will go as far as sayingthe big homie, judge Joe Brown.
I actually was on a show withDana with the data and on the
judge, and I won't go as far ascalling it a debate, but we went
(37:56):
back and forth on what youexactly what you talking about
on one of her live streams andyou know, you know again, I'm,
I'm who I am, regardless of thecompany and regardless of
whatever respect level orcashier the person has.
So what I'm about to say isnothing I didn't say to the
company in regards to whateverrespect level or cash that a
person has.
So what I'm about to say isnothing.
I didn't say to the judge'squote-unquote face because it
was online, but everything thatyou just said and pushed back on
(38:19):
I said straight up to the judgeand let him know that I
disagree with you and this iswhy and this is how what you're
saying is not factual from myperspective.
And at the end of it he waslike you know what, brother, I
don't really believe inreparations like that, but I'm
digging what you're saying andthe way in which you're going
about it.
So that is out there on Danawith the Data's YouTube show.
(38:42):
Y'all can look that up and seemy conversation that I had with
the judge.
So this is not something thatI'm making up on the fly or that
I did not say to the judgedirectly when I had the chance
to be in his company.
And again, I have respect forJudge Joe Brown.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yes, yes, I'm going to look that up because I never
saw that playback.
I never saw it.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Yeah, yeah, definitely look that up.
That was a great conversationand he had again some of those
same talking points and I wantto say this because you know, we
know we know too short that hisfavorite word we ain't going to
go there, but I just want tosay my favorite word.
As you guys would come tounderstand as we get to know
each other's family and I comehome to the station more often
than not my favorite word isnuance.
(39:21):
You're going to hear thatprobably more than I say any
other word outside of reparation, right, and so the nuance in
this conversation is somethingthat we have to become very,
very well aware of, because oncewe understand the profile of
the person we're speaking to,we'll understand the reasons why
they're saying the things thatthey're saying.
(39:41):
So when we talk about those ofus and I'm talking about us you
know, obviously we've got thewhite supremacists, we've got
the Afrants and they have theirown profile and they think
differently than we do, fortheir different reasons.
But right now I'm specificallytalking about other foundational
Black Americans, other Americanfreedmen, and why certain
(40:01):
things come out of their mouthsin the way that it do and the
way that it does.
So first we'll talk about thoseof us that kind of lean more
liberal or Democrat right thatdon't necessarily stand on the
same business that we ingrassroots stand on
wholeheartedly.
So you'll hear them talk aboutand sympathize with other groups
(40:26):
that they claim are othermarginalized minorities or
quote-unquote people of color,because they have been
socialized with that particularline of thinking to include
everybody together.
Because we are all in the sameboat, we all have the same
plight and if we work togetherwe can overthrow the system.
(40:47):
That's a very general kind offraming.
But if you understand thatportion of it, then you
understand why people on thatside will say oh no, we got to
fight for the immigrants and wegot to fight for DEI and we got
to fight for this and fight forthat because that's their
ideology.
Now to those of us and it's myfirsthand experience that this
(41:11):
is the category that Dana fallsinto I love that sister and
Judge Joe Brown.
Really Much respect to JudgeJoe Brown.
No, no, no, no, no, I'm gettingready to say their profile.
Okay, that was the sole.
The other profile was for themore liberal Democrat leaning
Right.
Okay, got you, got you.
My fault, my fault it.
(41:31):
More liberal Democrat leaning.
Okay, gotcha, gotcha.
My fault, sister Dana.
Now you good, you good, becauseI'm kind of idiot.
I wasn't really clear because Ididn't get a chance to finish
that statement, but Sister Danaand Brother Judge Joe Brown fall
into the other side, the moreconservative, right-leaning
perspective or ideology, and inthat one, that's where you get
the rugged individualism, that'swhere you get the
(41:53):
respectability politics, so tospeak, and that's where you get
this idea that they lean moreright.
Where it comes down to oh no,if I made it, you can make it.
The whole bootstrap myth comeson that side of the line.
And because of theirconservative leanings, that's
(42:13):
where you get the respectabilityof oh, those people are just
doing wrong and they deservewhat happens to them.
And so when you get somebodythat feels like you, whatever
happened to you in a system youdeserve, if you feel that way,
then you also have to feel thatanything that you want to happen
to you positively, you canaffect that within that system
(42:36):
if you just work harder or dothe right thing.
And most of the time theybecome a victim of their own.
Funny that they want to callthose of us that want
reparations for what was done tous being victimized.
They become a victim of theirown levels of success.
And so what happens is they sitthere and turn around and say,
(42:57):
well, I made it, I didn't makeany excuses, so now you got to
do the same.
And if you do exactly what I do, then you can get what I got.
Now we all know that that's notthe case, but their ideology is
built on that, so that's why itcomes out of them in that way
more oftentimes than not,because that's just what is at
(43:18):
the foundation of their being.
And so, to talk directly to whatyou said, and he says that a
lot.
Here's the fallacy with that,here's what's wrong with that
from a factual standpoint.
We don't even got to talk aboutfeelings or where each and one
of us sits.
Let's just take the facts.
Because what they said neitherside lines up with facts.
And that's the beauty of us asthe grassroots, being in the
(43:41):
middle, taking the nuancedposition, looking at both sides,
seeing what we can take thatdoes apply, and then applying it
.
But when you're on either side,you're not factually correct,
you're just partially correct,and you're taking that and then
you push it out to suit yourideology.
And so when the judge says, ohyeah, you just have this victim
(44:04):
mentality.
Well, we got to go with thefacts.
Have we, as a demographic, beensystemically targeted still to
this day and victimized 100%?
No one in a right mind or beinghonest would say no to that.
So is it a victim mentality?
If you have been victimized?
(44:26):
No, you have been a victim of acrime.
Who would say to somebodyfiling a class action suit oh,
you're just operating in yourvictim mindset?
No, you would have to prove thecase and when the case is
proven that you are victimized,you get restitution.
That's where we're at in theprogram, not a true class action
(44:51):
lawsuit in the way of thejudicial branch.
But we have already proven ourcase that we have been
victimized.
Now it's time to demand therestitution.
Now it's time to demand thereparations.
We have never sat around andwaited for anything.
We don't have that luxury,never.
(45:13):
We're the only demographic inthis country that has ever
gotten it out the mud.
That's right.
That's right.
When you hear that term, we'retalking about us.
That's right.
There's no one else that hasdone it.
And we know because, again,factually, we just got the
update on how bad it really waswhen that same Trump that people
(45:36):
say, is doing all thesenegative things and then
criticizing Doge, and they aredoing some things that are
questionable and can be viewedas negative, but the bottom line
is through those actions guesswhat they uncovered US aid.
But the bottom line is throughthose actions guess what they
uncovered US aid.
And what did those US aidmembers show us?
That we already knew and wastrying to tell the family that
(46:04):
there ain't a demographic inthis country outside of Black
Americans that is not held up bysome form of government funding
, aid resources and subsidiesPeriod, by some form of
government funding, aidresources and subsidies period.
So we got to dispel that myththat there are people, based on
their decisions alone, achievingsome level of success in this
country through some ruggedindividualism or some
(46:25):
bootstrapism.
That's just not the case.
Every demographic has gottenpublic assistance of some kind,
even if it's just governmentsubsidies, and so we have never
gotten a chance to just sitaround and I'll say this before
I take a breath.
(46:45):
So this could be more of a backand forth, but I'm not done
with this particular subject,the.
The bottom line is this whatmost people don't realize, or
most people don't even know, isthat Black Wall Street was built
(47:05):
through some form of reparation.
It wasn't rugged individualism.
Those people were given thatland for the ills that was done
to them.
A lot of those people that wentto Oklahoma and founded Tulsa
were our ancestors or some ofour ancestors that were enslaved
by the five civilized tribesand civilized just means
slave-holding tribes.
Look that up.
So when we talk about this ideaof, oh no, we could, could just
(47:30):
do it without reparations, whenno other group has ever done it
without money, resources andfunding from the federal
government, that's a trope thathas been invented by the right
wing to encourage us to not lookfor redress like every other
group does.
When they are aggrieved by thisgovernment, they seek redress
(47:53):
and demand it and get it, and noone bats an eye.
We're the only people that'ssupposed to not get the redress
that we deserve.
And when you said that and talkabout if you got money and
somebody else owes you money,are you going to say you don't
need that money because you canmake more or you can get it on
your own?
Nah, and I'm going to quote thegreat scholar Big Worm.
(48:15):
He said it's not only about themoney, it's the principle, it's
the principalities.
I don't care how much money Igot.
If you owe me, you owe me.
You think Verizon says you knowwhat.
We made a billion dollars lastyear, so you don't owe us on
(48:39):
that bill.
They come in and get their$50.22 for your internet and so
guess what?
They owe us and we're working.
They owe us and we ownbusinesses.
They owe us and we hustling.
They owe us, and some of us areon public assistance.
They owe us and we hustling.
They owe us, and some of us areon public assistance.
They owe us, and some of us useEBT.
They owe us, and some of us aremultimillionaires, guess what.
(48:59):
I don't care what our standingis in this country.
You owe us, and just because Imade a billion dollars last year
, I'm coming to get my $52.23for that monthly service,
because it ain't only about themoney, it's about the
principalities.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
If I might add on to what you're saying, I'm trying
to hang with you, bro, butyou're making it very difficult.
I'm going to try to hang withyou, though.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Now you're already with me, bro.
You're right here with me.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Here it is.
Dana made a statement that shedon't want to hear nothing about
what happened before becauseshe wasn't born yet into none of
that slavery and stuff.
I wasn't born into slavery,however.
I was born into Jim Crow, youunderstand.
(49:53):
My grandparents weresharecroppers.
I don't know if I told you wasit you or King.
My father, his father, was asharecropper.
My father had 10 brothers andfour sisters.
The little ones could go toschool but if the other ones
were old enough to work, theyhad to work the crops in the
(50:14):
farm.
They weren't allowed to go toschool.
I think my father got caughtbecause he was one of the
younger ones.
It was about three or fourother brothers under him.
Baby, uh, the two younger girls, but the two older sisters,
they had to work.
My aunt Vera and my aunt, uh,jeanette, uh, jenny Weeds, they
(50:38):
called her, and anyway, I sawwith my own eyes what that life
was like, because my I, when wewould go down south, when school
let out in the summer, we wouldgo down there.
I actually stayed in the housethat my mother was born in a
shack.
(50:58):
It was a shack, I think it was.
Three bedrooms, a little roomin the kitchen, no bathroom.
They had a fresh water well inthe front and they made a
makeshift sink where they had awell, a pump, not a faucet, a
pump where they wash dishes andstuff.
(51:20):
I saw what that was and I'veheard the stories.
My father had told me directlyhow, doing sharecropping, his
father would get beat every yearbecause when they harvest the
crops they would take theproduce and the meats to the big
market to sell and they wouldtell my grandfather oh, we broke
(51:44):
even.
We didn't make a profit.
But he had a shack to stay onwith his kid family and they had
food they could eat and hewould give them a few dollars
here and there, you know, butthat was the cost.
(52:04):
Now, don't you think that had aneffect on my family through the
generations?
Those people, though I had 10uncles.
Think that had an effect on myfamily through the generations?
Those people, though?
I had 10 uncles from my father.
It was 11 boys and 4 girls.
We got one aunt left, aunt May.
She was the youngest girl.
I watched those people diethrough the decades of
(52:30):
alcoholism because they were sohurt.
Even people drank themselves todeath.
I had an uncle.
My father's baby brother diedwhen he was 33 years old.
Uncle Bill Right, I saw, I seenthe pain, you understand.
(52:53):
So in the state of Mississippiit took them 130 years after the
emancipation to ratify the 13thAmendment in the state of
Mississippi.
Right there.
1995 is when they finallyeradicated the 13th Amendment.
It took them 130 years to dothat.
(53:16):
We ain't talking about no far,far away time.
Yes, I understand what Dana andthem are saying.
I understand the mind thatJudge Joe Brown has, but man
don't sell a short like that.
(53:36):
Then, on top of all of that,you're talking about redlining
and all these things.
Housing discrimination thisstuff ain't stopping until the
1965.
Discrimination bills and stufffor housing.
Housing discrimination thisstuff ain't stopping until the
1965.
Discrimination bills and stufffor housing, fair housing I was
(53:57):
born into that, did I?
Yep, yep all of this, all ofthose things were had a residual
effect on my family.
Where would we be at had my, mygrandfather, was able to buy
(54:18):
that land or purchase that land?
Come on that land that mymother and them was born on, it
was from a man that the mannamed was Otto Miller, the
Miller place they used to callit.
That's where my mother grew up,was born in that house, in that
shack, and they worked thatland.
(54:38):
Well, actually my grandfatherhad left for a time and my
grandmother was doing domesticwork in town.
When she had to go to do thedomestic work in town, you know
they couldn't come through thefront door, they had to go
around the back to come in anddo the work.
I saw that Divine.
I saw that Because actually Icalled my mother mom, but my
(55:10):
grandmother we called her mama.
My mother would always get madat that.
You know why y'all call hermama.
That's your grandma, right?
You understand?
I saw that divine.
So when you say things likethat and you go back to the
state of mississippi in 19 notuntil 1995 they did, they Did
they finally eradicate the 13thAmendment?
Now let's, if we can, you gotanything else to say on that?
Speaker 2 (55:35):
Yeah, I wanted to say something real quick.
I couldn't just leave it there.
Go ahead, check this out, checkthis out, and I won't be long,
because I know we got othertopics to get to and we ain't
going to be up here all night,all morning, man listen, until
tonight.
So, dana and Judge, joe, andall those that well, I'm going
(55:59):
to say all of them I need tospeak for those two because I,
you know, have interacted withthem and know them.
They are smart enough to knowexactly what you said, and
that's why I'm saying whathappens is that you take what
you know to be true and youforce it through this
ideological lens.
Right, because they can'tacknowledge what you just said
and what we all know, and stillbe of the mindset of just do it
(56:22):
on your own, and so a lot oftheir identity is built up in
that.
Oh, I can just do it for myself.
And once you give way to that, alot of people are too afraid to
live in that level of truth.
Right, because I can speak formyself, I'll let you speak for
you.
I don't think there's anylimits on me based on me, but I
(56:47):
know there's limitations on mebased on this system.
Now does that mean I sit hereand do nothing?
Hell no.
I ain't never just sat aroundand did nothing the day of my
life, but I am aware of thelimitations, and so that's a
space that's kind of hard for alot of people to navigate.
So they got to convincethemselves that either on both
(57:08):
sides of the spectrum is oh, Iknow that it is, and I convinced
myself that nothing I'll dowill matter, so I'm not going to
do anything.
And then the other extreme isthere's no problem with the
system or any drawbacks.
Now I can do whatever I wantbecause I'm free and nobody
controls me, and if I want tomake it happen, it'll happen.
And we also know that that'snot true.
(57:29):
But they happen to live in oneof those extremes, because in
the nuanced area is where itgets a little bit more difficult
.
You can't just put life onautopilot.
You got to be nimble and quickon your feet and head on a
swivel, and most people don'twant to live like that.
So they live in the easierversion of those two realities
and they just happen to be onthe side of oh, I can make
anything I want happen, evenwhen they see that that doesn't
(57:52):
happen.
And so just to kind of talkabout, what you talked about is
this and this idea where shesaid, you know, you said she
said, oh, I don't want to hearabout nothing in the past.
Again, she's too smart to sayanything like that and really
mean it outside of forcing itthrough her ideological lens.
Because if we just take simplemath, simple math, simple
numbers, simple money, it'ssomething called compound
(58:16):
interest.
If we just take 10 generationsand one family got a chance to
just continually pass down moneythat gained compound interest
for 10 generations, any otherfamily for 10 straight
generations had anything thatthey earned stolen before the
(58:36):
next generation started.
You can't go back to generationfive and say, okay, hey, just
because you wasn't born in thefirst generation, and say, well,
I don't care what happenedbefore five generations, let's
start from here and move forward.
That's ridiculous, because youmissed out on five generations,
(58:58):
on the power of that compoundinterest, and for the most part
by generation five, with thefamily that did get compound
interest.
That's more than you'll everget by generation 10, even if
you started from generation five, because they started from
Generation 1.
And so I think about that and Ithink about how, in 1874 is when
(59:21):
the Freeman Bank was closed,that's right.
And at that time, over 60,000depositors had roughly about $3
million worth of their depositsstolen, never to be returned,
never to be fought for.
You know, we put us in a biggerplace to fight for that now,
(59:43):
but never since then.
But based on what I was justsaying, with that compound
interest Divine, not evencompound interest.
It's not even compound interest.
We're just talking about directto direct comparison $3 million
in 1874 and today's money isclose to $70 million in 2025.
(01:00:03):
Now, if we added compoundinterest on those deposits
because those families wouldn'tbe able to pass that wealth down
, I won't say only God knows,because a good accountant knows
how much that $78 million turnsinto a compound interest
calculated from 1874 to 2025.
See, this is the type of stuffthat makes sense.
(01:00:25):
When you are operating in truthand not pushing through an
ideological lens.
You understand very clearlythat all that was stolen.
Yeah, please, please, guys.
Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
I'm going to be real quick with this one.
I want you to come right backto it.
Good thing you brought up thatFreedman's Bank and the amount
the $3 million, and then the $70million subsequently in today's
money.
Because if you go back to mygrandparents and my
great-grandparents, where do youthink the distrust came from?
(01:00:58):
People of those eras puttingtheir money in the banks?
They didn't do it.
My grandmother and them.
They put the money under themattress.
My grandpa and them had aprivate place where he'd keep
money.
He didn't go to no bank.
When my grandmother neededsomething, he would go to
wherever his hiding place at andget her whatever she asked for
and gave it to her, and that wasthat they didn't trust the bank
(01:01:21):
because of what happened.
That $3 million that just wastaken from them.
This is what I'm talking about.
The effects, the resoundingeffects, the residual effects of
what happened to us was passedon down.
My grandmother wasn't a slave,my great-grandmother she was
(01:01:42):
probably right out of slavery,but they got the effects of what
happened.
Some people didn't trust banks.
They didn't trust God, theydidn't trust nothing because of
what happened.
Some people didn't trust banks.
They didn't trust God, theydidn't trust nothing because of
what happened to them.
That's why they kept moneyunder the mattress and in shoe
boxes and dug up holes out inthe backyard and kept piles of
money down in those places.
Big big things are coins.
(01:02:05):
They didn't go to the bank withthat stuff because of what
happened to them.
It had an effect on latergenerations.
So don't tell me, oh, I wasn'tborn in it.
I know it had an effect on me.
But go back to your point.
Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Yeah, and it's just, like I said, an ignorant
statement when you're dealing in100% of the truth and not
ideologies.
And I think that's what we gotto be very careful, when we hear
people speak, to understand isit them speaking out of truth or
is them speaking out of theirideology?
And once we start asking thatquestion and applying that, we
can take a lot of stuff with agrain of salt, dismiss a whole
(01:02:45):
bunch of it and not even getcaught up in getting emotionally
invested in anything that theythink, because we know you ain't
speaking true, we speaking outthat ideology and let's just
keep it pushing.
I ain't got time to waste withyou because you don't even
believe what you're saying andif you do, you just really a
slave to that, to that, to thatideology, and that's a whole
different issue that you needreparations for right.
And so the bottom line is thisis just like you said to even
(01:03:08):
begin to think that what hashappened in the past and accrued
over time doesn't affect thepresent is just ridiculous.
We just had a reparationspublic hearing task force public
hearing.
It was yesterday.
Well, not yesterday, it wasearly, it was on oh my goodness
(01:03:29):
the 10th April 10th, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
That was the one in co-op right.
Right, that was the one in theBronx, oh man you should have
reminded me I would have madethat one man.
Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Oh man, I got you.
Next time I got you, I'll makesure.
So the next one is going to bein May I forgot the exact date
but I'll get that date.
But it's going to be in LongIsland, so we'll see if we're
going to make it out there.
I think it's a, is it Westbury?
Something like that.
I'll get the matter of fact.
I'm going to look it up whilewe want to tell, the family can
hear about it too, before we getoff.
(01:04:03):
But that one was a special onefor me because my grandmother
lived and died in Co-op City.
So I'm a Brooklyn boy, but youknow, I got origins in the Bronx
, up there in Co-op City.
But I'm saying that to say tokind of mirror your story, when
my grandmother worked forsharecroppers in Wilmington,
(01:04:26):
north Carolina.
Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Oh man, that's a crazy story out of Wilmington.
You know the story.
Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Right, exactly, and I'm still doing genealogy to see
if we are linked to or have anyfamily or friends, descendants
of what they?
You know what they did inWilmington, that's a whole other
show, but I'm still lookingthrough that, some documents and
stuff like that, to find out ifthere's any links to my family
and what happened to those, um,those uh early political leaders
(01:04:54):
in that area.
Um, let's just drop this pointhome so we can move forward.
And I love telling this storyand I think it's perfect for
this situation.
We all know what happened withgeorge floyd and and how he's
still a caricature for the whitesupremacists to beat up on what
most people don't know talkingabout oh, I didn't live there
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and I wasn't there, so I don'tneed to hear about it was that
George Floyd'sgreat-great-grandfather.
His name was Hillary ThomasStewart.
He was a slave.
He got freed in the mid-1860s,you know, based on the Civil War
and emancipation.
So he was a freedman and thisbrother, despite having no
(01:05:37):
education, taught the enslavedpeople how to read and write.
During the time it was illegal,but he himself acquired 500
acres of land by the time he wasin his 20s and he subsequently
had that land stolen by whitefarmers.
(01:05:58):
And so we take that and projectthat forward to George Floyd's
great-great-grandfather neverhad his 500 acres of land stolen
if George Floyd, even in thatstore Passing counterfeit
(01:06:19):
Passing counterfeit allegedly,allegedly right To then have a
modern-day slave catcher kneelon his neck until he was dead a
modern day slave catcher kneelon his neck until he was dead.
See, this is the stuff that wetalk about and that's ignorant
to even begin to say where itsays oh, the past don't matter
where, everything that hashappened before us has led us to
(01:06:40):
this point that we're at now.
And even if you want to go downthat ridiculous rabbit hole of
well, I don't want to talk aboutslavery because I wasn't born
there, guess what Jim Crow andthe black code was not that long
ago and guess what, neither wasredlining All practices that
are still done today.
And so, unless you're going tostart your claim for reparations
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today or tomorrow and get itlitigated on that day or
tomorrow, tomorrow and get itlitigated on that day or
tomorrow, eventually you'regoing to have to reference some
stuff in the past to justifyyour argument.
It don't make no sense, cause,again, she was speaking a lot of
that system, but she wasspeaking out of our ideology and
(01:07:24):
not out of our intelligence,and we can leave it there.
Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Okay, great, great stuff, stuff, great stuff, great
stuff.
We got to get to moving fast ontwo things we want to touch on
before we cut out.
One is oh, finally, you know,we the professor, black truth
always tells us that when whitesupremacy is done with their
tools, they don't shelve themfor reuse, they break their
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tools.
They don't shelve them forreuse, they break their tools
because they're no longer useful, and we saw that the other day
with Jason Whitlock.
I don't know if you heard, Idon't know if you heard.
Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
You heard about it.
We talking about with NickFuentes.
Nick Fuentes, yes.
Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Nick Fuentes put Nick Fuentes yes, nick.
Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Fuentes put foot all in that big old chunky behind of
his yes.
Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
You see, yes, yes yes , you see, you know you're no
longer useful because what it is?
They're tired of thesebootlicks being put in front of
them, these mouthpiecesEssentially, that's what they
were there for for whitesupremacy to hide behind them.
The Candace Owens, vinceEllison, april Chapman, jesse
(01:08:39):
Lee Peterson this dude we'retalking about Jason Whitlock,
thomas Sowell and a bunch of theothers.
They say what white societycan't say.
That's what they were beingused for.
They take refuge in behind you.
(01:08:59):
These are talking points.
They're sick of that nowbecause it makes them look weak.
This is what Tyreek was kickingon his show.
It makes them look weak.
So they're sick of you now.
You have no more use for them.
You got blind people comingover to the Republican party.
They're saying well, theDemocrats we know the Democrats
ain't about nothing, so let's goover here to the Republicans
(01:09:20):
and see what they talking about.
They don't really want that.
This is why the position wherewe in right in the middle we
ain't on either side is the bestplace where we can be at and
this is where our strength is at.
You see, the Tim Scotts and theByron Donalds, these
bootlicking dudes.
All you're doing isre-egurgitating the talking
(01:09:42):
points for them and they sick ofyou.
Now we got to respect theseNegroes, get out of here.
So, jason Whitlock, your bigchunky behind, they sick of you
and he let you.
Nick Ferentz said the quiet partout loud.
You got your wake up call, bro,and guess what?
(01:10:03):
Guess what?
All the smoke you always gotfor black folks.
You notice these bootlicks.
They always got smoke for blackfolks.
The black church, this, theblack church, that Black pastor,
this black pastor, that it'sjust like you, me and my brother
, you my homeboy, me and mybrother.
You come to visit me and mybrother fight, you know, and I
(01:10:25):
call them all kind of names andstuff.
That don't mean you can do it,that's still my brother.
So now, how would you belooking at me if I allowed you
to go upside my brother's head?
True, you follow me.
Now they done, told you JasonWhitlock.
But here's the thing.
I think it was either.
It was nearly full of that said, if you want to find out what's
(01:10:49):
really inside of a black person, sit him in front of a white
person.
Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
And Jason Whitlock.
Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Ask him in front of a white person.
Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Right, jason Whitlock went out like a straight punk.
All the smoke you always gotfor black culture, this black
culture, that black black, thisblack black that y'all act like
savages animals.
Then the people who you talkingup for called you a token.
You ain't nothing to them.
And how did you respond to that?
(01:11:24):
You held your head down.
I don't care if if he's racist.
I don't care if some whitepeople are racist.
And you know their favoritething they love to run to Jesus
after that Mm-hmm Yep.
They love to run to Jesus.
Now you're getting religiousDumb.
People ain't got no use for you.
Man Boot, looking never endswell.
(01:11:45):
Never ends well for you.
Jesse Lee Peterson is a joke,but I understand the hustle.
You're talking this stuffbecause you're getting paid.
They don't respect that.
You're making it a hustle forthem.
This is what they truly believein.
You don't really believe whatyou be saying.
You making money off of it andthey tired of paying you money
(01:12:06):
for what their ideal is.
That's right.
And you responded like astraight sucker man.
You held your head down and youwere so gentle.
If Nick Ferentis wants to callme or tell you he wants to have
a conversation, a conversationfor what?
He told you what it is, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Now let's talk it out .
Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Ain't nothing to say.
The dude spit in your face andtold you ain't nothing, get out
of here, move your ass around,man, you understand?
Yep, same thing, same thing,and we're going to get into this
and we're going to get out ofhere.
Same thing with these Negroes.
You hear them About thisincident Out there in Texas With
(01:12:50):
the, with the young man CameloAnthony.
Right, same thing.
He should have just fought withhis hands.
Why did he have to stab himwhen they come to find out?
Well, my thing is this.
My thing is this they took hisphone and smashed it out of his
hand, smashed it on the ground.
(01:13:10):
At that point it's a robberyand if it was an iPhone that
phone was over 1,000 hours wouldhave made it a felony right,
that's a felony Right.
Why isn't that remaining brotherarrested?
That kid didn't just pull outthat knife out of his bag and
just went to stab him.
He had reason to beat it,that's right.
(01:13:32):
He was in the competition.
Those two brothers werefootball players, not track
competitors, and it's coming outthat they really shouldn't have
been there.
They had no reason to be there.
They was there to support theiralma mater, but they weren't
competing.
Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Then you set a million dollar bail for
something that should be amanslaughter Now, where the
young kid messed up at, he ranhis mouth.
This is why they tell you don'tsay anything because it's going
to be used against you.
And he, he didn't know the kidwas dead.
He asked him is he all right?
You're talking too much.
But he don't know this.
(01:14:11):
He hasn't been groomed for that.
But these two twin brothers wereknown bullies, from what I
understand.
Now, before I go any further, Iwant to make an apology to the
family because last week I madea statement about it that there
was a toxicology report thatcame back that showed the kid on
drugs.
That is.
That was a rumor.
That is true.
I apologize to the family formaking that statement and we
(01:14:34):
here on this treatments networkwe are not beyond reproach and
beyond apologizing when we'rewrong.
So I do apologize for thatmisinformation.
Man, that's huge.
How is this 5'6", 130-pound kid?
(01:14:55):
They said.
How are you going to fight a6'1", 225-pound boy football
player?
He's a track star and there'stwo of them Now.
He already told them don'ttouch me, don't touch me.
Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
He told them they were he already told them don't
touch me, Don't touch me.
He told them they were warned.
That's right, that is man,you're 100% on that.
And just to kind of piggybackon this and then go back to what
you said previously, just, youknow, I don't know how much of
the family are fight enthusiasts, whether it's boxing or UFC,
but for all those, much of thefamily are, you know, are fight
enthusiasts, whether it's boxingor UFC.
(01:15:30):
But for all those that are like, yeah, you know, he should have
just fought him with his handsor his excessive or whatever,
the case is that you're tryingto spew out there to negate his
valid self-defense claim is whatyou're essentially asking him
to do.
If you're a boxing fan, isyou're asking him?
Let's just say he's superskilled, right, let's just go
(01:15:53):
with the assumption that both ofthem are equally skilled.
You're still asking a FloydMayweather to engage in physical
combat with a Tyson Fury.
Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
Yep A damn near 90 pound, almost 100 pound
advantage.
Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Right, and more than that, because I undersold it.
It ain't Floyd Mayweatherversus Tyson Fury, it's Floyd
Mayweather versus two TysonFuries.
Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
That's right, Because they were both taking part in
the accosting him.
They were both accosting himExactly.
This is from eyewitnesses.
Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
They were both accosting him.
Yep, that's right, and so thisidea that he can just he could
afford them more.
Listen, when there's that muchof a weight difference and
there's two of them, they couldhave took his life with their
bare hands.
And I don't know how many ofy'all have been in a street
(01:17:02):
fight I've been in a couple inthese mean streets of New York.
It only takes one wrong hit tofall back your head on something
and that's it.
It don't even got to be thatthey beat him to death.
It could be one wrong hit, andwe're talking about hits coming
from two directions, from twobullies that are bigger and
(01:17:23):
stronger than you are.
I'm not sure how hisrepresentations don't argue the
case, but I know I view that asa life and death situation.
I've seen fights go terriblywrong when both people are
evenly matched.
So being overmatched andoverpowered to those numbers, to
that degree, and with potentialracism or white supremacy
fueling it and egging it on,only God knows what that man
(01:17:48):
protected himself from that daythat's right, that's day, that's
right, that's right, that'sright.
Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Yeah, man, but you got the last word, divine Cause,
when we've been up here a goodwhile.
Now, we've been up here a goodwhile and I'm gonna give you the
last word, brother.
Oh, but before you do that,before you do that, before you
do that, um, is the emailcampaign still up and running?
Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
I was.
I was going to be part of my,my, my last word Go ahead, take
off, go ahead, nah, nah, it'sall good, it's all good.
Um, what I wanted to say is, um, kind of touch on before I get
(01:18:44):
to the very last word or lastword.
I wanted to also just make acomment about what you talked.
Similar to Nick Fuentes,because even though he is a
white supremacist, let's notforget that he is a white,
hispanic white supremacist.
That's right, that's right, andwe have to understand that.
Again, going back to not viewingthings as factual but viewing
(01:19:07):
things through ideology, theDemocrats and the left wing will
tell you that Nick Fuentes is aperson of color, a fellow
historically marginalizedgentleman, because he's Hispanic
.
Nigga, please, I like that, ohman, and so I'm bringing that up
(01:19:38):
to say, at the last publichearing in the Bronx, we had
another Hispanic gentleman getup on the mic and talk about how
he did not want to seereparations happen for
Foundation of Black Americans,really, because he felt that it
was unfair that the governmentgets to choose whose dead
(01:19:58):
ancestors are important andwhose are not.
Mind you, he was an immigrantfrom Puerto Rico.
Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
He didn't even have no business there.
Really, to be honest with you,he had no business there.
There was no place for himthere.
Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
At all, and I'm saying that to say, in the same
way in which Nick Fuentesencroached on Jason Whitlock's
face, regardless of whether weknow him to be a coon or not,
there has to be a deep dive doneon these Hispanic slash Latinos
(01:20:34):
that truly believe that it iswell within their right and
agency to step into BlackAmerican spaces and territory
and speak against our claims anddoing what we're doing Like
(01:20:54):
they're back home in the countrywith their abuela, like this
has to stop.
And so again, we understand whoJason Whitlock is, and this is
by no means a defense of JasonWhitlock at all.
But again, to quote my man, bigWorm, it's the principalities.
And so I'd be damned if I'mgoing to side with a
(01:21:16):
conquistador against anybodythat is Black American.
And then we could discuss BlackAmerican business and how much
of a coon you are once we getthat conquistador out the door.
And so, because we have to talkabout Jason Whitlock's response
to Nick Fuentes versus hisresponse to Stephen A Smith, a
(01:21:40):
fellow from the left wing, againspeaking about ideologies, both
of them are detrimental toBlack American progress.
Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
They're just on separate sides of the same coin,
stephen A to come to StephenA's, a little bit of defense for
him.
He ain't bad as Jason Whitlockat least not at all at least
Stephen A will tap, dance aroundus a little bit too and try to
appease us too.
(01:22:08):
He don't go full coon now, hewon't do that.
Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
Without question, I agree.
Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
Jason Whitlock.
See what happened when I'mgoing to tell the family about
him and I told my boy this theother day.
What happened with JasonWhitlock?
Dudes like him have a built-inhate for their own culture
because look at you, you're abig, fat, unattractive man.
(01:22:35):
You've probably been hurt bysome, some beautiful black women
, anything you got sexual winesyou had to pay out of your
pocket for and that never andand chas probably tapped his
pockets and robbed him, and whenyou see that kind of hurt on
somebody when they constantlygot smoke for their own, that's
usually what it is.
Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
Yep Agree wholeheartedly.
Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
Now you got brothers and it's not always about the
looks.
I know some fat jolly brothersain't attractive or whatever in
the face.
That ain't for men to judgeanyway.
But I'm saying, man, they'tattractive or whatever in the
face.
You know that ain't for men tojudge anyway.
But I'm saying, man, they getall the women in the world, Some
of the baddest chicks, becauseof their personality and their
charisma and their swag.
It ain't about their looks,it's about their charisma and
(01:23:25):
their swag they have.
Biggie Smalls was a primeexample.
Remember what he said Black andugly, as ever, however, However
, you understand.
So, Jason Whitlock, you haven't, you're not that that means you
don't have the creativity toinvent yourself and to become a
(01:23:48):
ladies' man.
That's all that is is hurt whenyou see people kicking that and
there's a market for that.
For black people to talk aboutother black people, there's a
market for that, there's anaudience for that and there's
money to be made in that.
I could get up here and go in onculture all day and talk about
(01:24:12):
what's wrong with our community.
I could do that all day and Iprobably.
We have a big old studio andmoney and you know, papered up
from from white folks wouldprobably be sending me donations
because that's what they wantto hear and it's a black man
saying it.
But I don't do that.
We struggling up here it's agrind Not a struggle but a grind
(01:24:36):
.
But I could take the easy wayout and say you know what I want
?
A bunch of.
I go on YouTube, get a bunch ofclicks and views and likes and
create a PayPal and a Cash Appand, man, we'd be rolling
because there's an audience forthat.
But you ain't going to get thathere.
But you go ahead, man, you gotthe last word bro.
Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Yeah, so you know.
I just wanted to say I know Ipromised the family that I would
have that address, so I do haveit.
The next New York StateReparations Task Force meeting
will be on May 6th from 4 pm to8 pm.
Again, that's May 6th, from 4pm to 8 pm.
I believe that's a Tuesday, ifI'm not mistaken.
(01:25:21):
Yes, it's a Tuesday, the firstTuesday in May, and it's going
to be at SUNY College at allWestbury's recital hall.
That's two to three store HillRoad, all Westbury, new York.
One, one, five, six, eight.
Again that is going to be onMay 6th, 4 pm to 8 pm.
(01:25:44):
Suny College at all Westbury'sRecital Hall, 223 Swarthill Road
, old Westbury, new York 11568.
So, in line with that and thesegue to the last word currently
making moves in the New YorkState Legislature, we are true
(01:26:10):
believers in the New York StateLegislature.
We are true believers in thefact that you cannot accurately
repair a thing until youaccurately define a thing.
And as I've said before, and Ibelieve I said it last time I
was here with the family,african American is insufficient
(01:26:32):
.
It is a catch-all term foreverybody with melanin in the
United States of America thathas any ancestry that links back
to the continent of Africa.
So that means Afro-Caribbeans,continental Africans,
afro-hispanics and foundationalBlack Americans are all listed
as African American according tothe federal government.
(01:26:52):
And so in New York State wehave a bill which is A6341A
Again, that's A6341A and for thefirst time in in history in New
York, it would mandate that thestate of New York disaggregate
(01:27:18):
the data so that we can have ourown category for resources set
aside and, more importantly,start the process in us being
able to have policiesspecifically set aside for our
group.
So again, that's A6341A.
(01:27:38):
You guys can go read it foryourself and, if you feel so
inclined, to start making callsto your local politicians,
assemblymen, senators, assemblypeople, city council, whoever,
community leaders and let themknow that there's a bill that
(01:28:03):
accurately defines all of uswithin the black ethnic groups,
that we can start gettingpolicies done that would stand
the test of time against anyconstitutional challenge that we
know was coming from the quoteunquote right wing activists.
And so, as my brother mentionedthe email writing campaign,
(01:28:26):
currently what we're doing isthat we are getting ready to
formulate that and have that golive.
It could be at the touch of abutton and you guys can um,
click that button and send theemails out to the politicians in
new york, um, whether they beby committee or your own
personal, and all those involvedwith signing this aggregation
(01:28:49):
legislation for other groups,because they've done it before.
This is not groundbreaking tothe point where it hasn't been
done before for any other group.
It just has never been done forus.
In 2021, they did it for theAAPI community and in 2024, they
did it for the MENA.
So now it's time to do it forus, especially since we are one
(01:29:12):
of the oldest, if not the oldest, ethnic group in New York State
.
So once that goes live, pleasefollow us on Twitter X whatever
you decide to call it at USFreedman PRJ, so that's at US
F-R-E-E-D-M-E-N-P-R-J, so youcan stay abreast on what we're
(01:29:36):
talking about, what's happening,and as soon as that call to
action goes live, you will seeit there and you can participate
and we can start making thishappen.
Because if we don't advocatefor us and that's just not here
in New York State, but anywhereacross the country what we have
seen is no one else is going toadvocate for us.
The great thing about it is,like my brother here just said,
(01:29:58):
we are on the clock, we are onthe job, and now we are here
advocating for ourselves.
So everybody else has got toget out and lay down.
Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
There it is.
That said family, that said.
That said you must respect life, have respect for life, love
justice, cherish freedom and,most of all, keep the peace.
Y'all go in peace and keep thepeace and come back and see us
next week.
We'll be back here at thefreedman's network and um, thank
(01:30:28):
you, brother, thank you forcoming up here and gracing us
with your presence.
And yeah, it's been real.
It's been real, it's been realand it's been tight.
Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
No, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
Peace Woo.
Hey, papa don't take no mess.
(01:31:18):
Papa don't take no mess, papais a man.
The peace, peace, and welcome back to freeman's
affairs, freedman's Network.
We're back here again today,april 15th 2025.
The math for today we'redealing with is knowledge power.
Knowledge power is the math fortoday, and that borns equality,
(01:00):
right, equality, right.
And this, the topics we'regoing to be talking about today,
is congruent with equality,because this is the way politics
is supposed to be set up, inequity and fairness.
And, on the line with me, I gothe's he's back, family he's
(01:24):
back, and no further ado, I gotmy man, divine Prince, on the
line.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Come on on Divine and greet the folks.
What's going on, family, what'sgoing on?
Feels good to be back.
You told me that this would besome or was already my home to
spend with you and the family.
To just get back home, man.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
It really does.
This is your house.
It's going to be your housetoday, bro, and I'm going to let
you spit.
Whatever you want to talk about, we're going to get into and
that's what it's going to be.
So, family, you ready, Withoutfurther ado.
Devon, where you want to startat.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Man, I just want to make sure that, uh, we hold true
to what you just said today'smath is, and how you segway that
into equality, um, and thingsthat make.
If I wanted to make sure, I kindof discussed on what's going on
in the current, uh, politicalarena around diversity, that
same equity and inclusion, andjust let the FEM know that, even
(02:29):
though initially thoseinitiatives and those policies
and programs were set up tobenefit us, those foundations of
Black Americans that you know,that was given the status of
freedom, now what it has becomeis a perverted version of what
it was supposed to be, wherecurrently, to any DEI program,
(02:53):
policy or initiative, theoverwhelming majority of the
benefits and positions go towhite women.
Where only 4% of the positionsand benefits of any DEI program
or contract of any of thatnature has been laid at the feet
of the Black community.
(03:14):
And we understand, because ofthe lack of disaggregation in
the data, that 4% is acombination of not just us but
also the Afro-immigrants thathave come over largely after
1980.
And so if we parse that out tofind out how much of that 4%
(03:39):
actually goes to us, it will beeven less than that.
So it right in line with whatyou talked about.
There is a need for us tocreate, in the ashes of what is
being dismantled, programs andpolicies on the political arena
that benefit us and are just forus.
(03:59):
So instead of 4%, we will begetting a hundred percent of
those things that we advocateand fight for.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yes, man, I'm in 100% agreeance with you on that.
Now, speaking to the DEI thing,speaking to that, it was kicked
off the way it was kicked off.
It was kicked off by the blackclergy with the boycott thing, a
nationwide boycott of DEI forcompanies, walmart, target, et
(04:32):
cetera, et cetera, and it fellflat.
And then the way it was done,the way it was done and
presented to the people, itwasn't good.
The optics of it here in NewYork City, al Sharpton with the
Costco thing, the optics of itwas terrible.
(04:54):
It was a, it was a performativetype of thing for the cameras.
He gave them $25 gift cards togo into Costco's to shop,
because Costco is one of theconglomerates that didn't bother
with the DEI thing.
They left their program the wayit is, on the surface.
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Who knows how they're doing iton the inside?
But they left it alone on thesurface and this is supposed to
be a buy, what they call it, abuy-in for costco, right, right,
and it was a.
It was a terrible optic gavethem 25 gift cards.
You can't get nothing out oftarget for 20, 25, damn near
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nothing.
Anyway.
The people took the cards,cameras watched them go in the
store and they went right backout, never shopped, and it
looked bad.
Then what?
A week, about a week or two ago,jamal Bryant had to finally
come out and say how ineffectivethat it was.
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He copped to it and it was abad idea to start with, because
you have, for one thing, youhave a lot of creators and
people, entrepreneurs, that arein business with Target and
Walmart and different places.
(06:22):
You have black entrepreneursthat are in in actual contracts
with these companies and nowsome of them, because of this
thing, a lot of the.
I think it was target thatstarted nullifying the contracts
because of this as a backlash.
Like I said said it beforetarget makes on average daily
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from the black consumer $12million, which is a drop in the
bucket.
Compared to their daily profitmargins.
It's a drop in the bucket.
It's not even significant.
So this is why they took thebold stand that they did to
nullify the contracts with theentrepreneurs and it actually
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ended up hurting black business.
Maybe I'm wrong, but this is howI read it, okay, and I argued
with some people Some peoplecall me and text me back and
forth and and we went back andforth.
You know, sometimes people seethings different.
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I saw it as it wasn't.
It wasn't a good look, itwasn't a strategic maneuver at
all.
You did that as a performativething for the cameras.
Then you had the Jamal Bryantdo it when he was giving his
sermon I don't know if youwatched it and he was doing all
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that performative and God, youknow the crap they be doing.
You know the hooping.
The hooping, yeah, like a hoggetting ready to go to slaughter
or something.
You know what I mean.
So, because that stuff plays onthe emotion of our people, our
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people are very emotional andthey know these pastors and
preachers and ministers knowthis and they play on that and
this is how they get their money.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
But you go ahead, bro .
Yeah, no, and I want to justsay, because I mean this is a
very multilayered and nuancedconversation conversation, as
most of our conversations nowhave to be, because of just the
multiple layers they have laidon top of what they've done.
It's no longer cut and dry,black and white, right?
No pun intended.
(08:56):
And so to your direct pointwhat you're talking about, I
mean just if we're going to befrank and we home right now, and
we home and we talking with thefamily, so you know, when we
talk with the family we canspeak plainly.
And so you know I'm not goingto sit here and disparage any
good, legitimate work thatReverend Al might have done in
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the past.
But even when we get outside ofhim actually being a certified,
documented informant right,when you look at his body of
work, we got to talk about it,right, but even outside of that
we could get back on that we seethat has happened to Reverend
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Al is what has happened to toomany of our organizations and
public figures over time,throughout time in our history
in this country, and what he hasbecome has just been controlled
opposition, and so what he'spaid to do is to dispel and
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disperse any energy from ourcommunity that will become
radical and inspire, create andforce the transformative change
that's needed to make a realimpact in a way in which his
symbolic gestures are claimed todo or claim to be about right.
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And so I mean, one day we gotto do a show just on Reverend Al
right, like if we can really goin and break down what he
represents, but, moreimportantly, what he has done
and what has been done throughhim by the system of white
supremacy to just continue tohold and halt any type of
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progress that our community hasachieved.
And and before I let you backin, I also want to just talk
about what jamal bryantrepresents.
Right, he see, there's a reason.
Both of them together representand are the reasons why and
this is no shot at our sisters,because we love our FBA sisters
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but you know, what makes usdifferent is what makes us great
, and the yin and yang right andhis doctrine are designed to
appeal to our women and to womenin general, because it's really
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based on a lot of feel good,empty symbolism.
And our sisters are veryempathetic and lead with their
emotions, which again makes themgreat when we're paired up
together, but separately and inthe way in which these, both,
both these systems separate us.
That's the reason why,inversely, a lot of our
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foundation of black American menhave just kind of checked out a
bulk of those institutions,because when we think about it
logically and see how much ofthis is empty symbolism with no
tangible substance, we like, allright, man, you go ahead.
We know we not going.
(12:10):
Are we allowed to curse up here, do you, bro?
Do you All right?
All right, so we not going toshit on you.
I mean, that's just man cold,you know what I'm saying.
We not going to shit on you perse, but when we see you on the
bullshit, we're going to be like, all right, get ahead with that
.
And that's why, you see, in bothof their congregations, if you
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will, the overwhelming majorityare women and older people.
I won't even call them eldersbecause some of them is just not
elders in the way in which werespect elders, based on wisdom
and still pushing for thecommunity.
So that's why you see thedemographic and makeup of their
congregations look like it does.
And now that they're whollythreatened by what we're doing
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in a grassroots movement because, again, we don't play into
those gender roles, and now,more and more, there's a whole
bunch of, there's a rising tideof our sisters that's like nah,
we're not with the emptysymbolism bullshit either.
We need tangible results forourselves, because we got some
things going on for our families, our babies and for our men
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that we are standing beside.
And this unit that's comingtogether based on tangibles is
something that they are very,very afraid of and working
feverishly with the powerstructure, mind you, to try to
quell so that they can maintainsome power, the status quo and
some level of order.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
OK yeah.
I want to.
You know, I had my big brother,king, up here about a week or
two ago.
About two weeks ago I had Kingup here.
I don't know if you heard theplayback.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
No, I got to go listen to that episode.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, it was long.
We stayed up here about an hourand a half hour and 40 minutes.
We stayed up here that day.
Anyway, he reminded me back inthe 90s, um, right over here in
Brooklyn at the slave theater.
They had a program there and AlSharpton was in touch with with
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uh, asada Shakur, you knowTupac's aunt slash godmother
right and he was trying to getAssata Shakur to come to to the
slave theater to do a lecture,right, but he had the feds on
speed dial.
(14:37):
This was, this was a trap toget her to come here.
If she came here, they'd havegot her on US soil.
You know she's been gone overto Cuba, exactly, you understand
, and that was the trap to gether to come here to arrest her
on US, united States soil.
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Wow, they'd have had her when Ihad forgot about it.
But King, big King, reminded me.
Malik was up here two weeks agoand reminded me of that.
And that's when we because backin the days I loved it revving
out, fat, revving out with thetracksuits and stuff and the
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perm and everything.
He was a freedom fighter, hewas fighting for the folks.
A lot of it was veryopportunistic stuff he was doing
, you know, because you know hewas almost like, but he
nonetheless, he would stand inthe face of that.
But then, but then when he gothooked in with don King and the
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mob guys, it was MichaelFrancesi and them, and Michael
Francesi recently spoke to thisand he said he told on his
YouTube channel.
Michael Francesi said he saidI'm telling you, the black
community.
That guy, reverend Al Sharpton,is a rat and he's no good.
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He will sell y'all down thepipes.
This is the worst Because,remember, they had to record of
him on a video with the cowboyhat and he's.
There was some kind of big drugdeal supposedly had went on, or
he was plugged into a drug plugor something like that.
And Don King well, they went toDon King and was the mob guys,
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because you know, don Kingalways been juiced in with them
guys and they went to Don andwas like Don, who is this guy?
We don't know him.
Don, I think Don King vouchedfor him and, you know, said some
good things about him and theywas trying to do business with
him, but he turned out to be aninformant, a rat.
It's one of them guys and theonly reason probably why they
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didn't kill him because the mobhad a little respect for the
black community back then.
The mob had a little respectfor the black community back
then.
They was, you know, because yougot to remember, back in the
Honorable Elijah Muhammad days,when the Nation of Islam, the
FOI, they were really strong.
They gave the mob headaches Alot of people don't know that,
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but they gave the mob headaches.
I know of personal stories thatI can tell you that people, the
players that were involved,told me personally the Colombo
family, all of them, fivefamilies.
They knew the presence of nomatter.
For why, guys, you know,brother Glad.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Oh, that's heavy.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah, brother Glad man, I could tell you stories
for days.
I remember one time justgetting on veering off a little
bit, they I think it was theColombo family back in those
days they were hijacking trucksand during that time in the
early 70s, late 60s, early 70s,the Honorable Ajah Muhammad had
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fleets of trucks bringing fish,meat and produce all over the
country.
One of those families hijackeda couple of those trucks, right,
yusef Shah, and those truckswere coming to New York.
Yusef Shah, who was CaptainJoseph of the FOI of the East
Coast region of the Nation ofIslam FOI paramilitary, east
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Coast region of the Nation ofIslam FOI paramilitary.
He called the bosses forwhichever family that hijacked
the trucks and said look, y'allgot 24 hours to get them trucks
back.
I think it was two or threetrucks that they hijacked.
He said y'all got 24 hours toget those trucks back with every
bit of merchandise that was inthem.
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They got those trucks back withevery bit of merchandise that
was in them.
They got those trucks back.
There was a mutual respect thatthe mob had with the Nation of
Islam.
You know the FOIs at that time,most of them dudes were
gangsters that came into thenation at that time, most of
them guys were street guys, soyou know.
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But yeah, but back to it, revanAl.
He was a he's a creep man, he'sa real creep.
When he did that move withdefense, that attempted move
with Asada Shakur, I lost allrespect for him.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Hmm, man, I could imagine.
It's rumored too that you know,on a less you know nefarious
note, but still underhanded deal, that is said that he got his
show on MSNBC, you know, becauseat the time Tom Cass was being
sued for racial discrimination,was being sued for racial
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discrimination and you know it'sbeen said they used that to pay
him off, to provide them withcover, to say, hey, they're not
really racist, they didn't dowhat they did.
And so, you know, in true rapfashion, he was like let me get
what I can get and then I'llgive you guys cover.
You know he's been operatinglike that for a really, really
long time.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Really long and it just I don't see how people but
you know people are easilymanipulated, manipulated, same
thing.
Now, I don't know much aboutthis jamal bright dude.
You know this dude, he's been inall kind of sexual scams,
scandals and with his marriageand all that stuff so how are
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y'all still going to see thisdude man and giving him that
kind of accolade the way you do?
But, like you said, it's mostlywomen and these dudes, these
dudes, they come from the hustle.
They come from the hustle, sothey know how to talk to these
women.
You understand, you know it's aform of pimping.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
I'm just being honest , it's a form of pimping.
I'm just being honest, it's aform of pimping Prosperity
pimping.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, prosperity, pimping, yeah.
So, but Revenant, we have along history with him here in
this city.
Because, you got to remember,all these cats were tight with
Trump, and I was arguing withthis the other day with some
folks, that's right, all of themwere tight with Trump because
and I was arguing with this theother day with some folks,
that's right, all of them weretight with Trump because Trump,
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trump gave Jesse Jackson, Ithink, a million dollars to
start his campaign for hispresidential run.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Million dollars when Jennifer Hudson.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
That's a million dollars in the 80s.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yes, Back in the 80s, right Jennifer Hudson when her
family was murdered?
Do you know?
He put the rest of the familyup in Trump Towers for six
months.
Free of charge.
Free of charge he went to courtwith Michael Jackson every day
when Mike was on trial for theaccusations charge.
He went to court with MichaelJackson every day when Mike was
on trial for the accusationswith the children.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Oh yeah, I didn't know.
Damn, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
He went to court with him every day.
He was tight with Oprah and allof them.
He was their guy.
He was Democrat.
Then Now they'll bring up theywill bring up the Central Park
Five.
Right, let's talk about thatreal quick.
Let's talk about that realquick.
Yes, let's.
At the time, donald Trump was a.
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He was not a politician, but hewas a registered Democrat.
The prosecutor, the mayor allDemocrats at the time, the media
what they were saying at thetime when the media, what they
were saying at the time whenthat happened, we got them.
This is what the press wasputting out.
We got them.
The police commission all ofthem was Democrat.
(22:38):
The whole gamut, from top tobottom, was Democrat.
He took out an ad I think it wasin the New York Times or the
Post, I think it was the Times.
He took the ad out that theyshould get the death penalty
Based on the information.
They coerced those boys intoconfessing.
But see, they were silly kidsin the park.
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Now I met one-to-turnpolitician Y.
Now I met one to turnpolitician Yusuf.
I met him.
We was doing at the time, I wasadvocating against the death
penalty at the time and he wasdoing the same thing and I met
him at a meeting up in Harlemand I got to talk to him and he
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subsequently he's a politiciannow, but anyway they were silly
kids running around doing inbecause central park back in
those days that's whereeverybody went.
That was playing hooky.
From school I went to school,high school in manhattan, so
everybody went to central park.
Either you was going there torob or you were going there to
hang out and you know, smokeyour weed or do whatever and
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kids would be wowing.
Back then they called it wowingand that's what happened.
But the cat that actually donethe assault on the woman, he
confessed to that years later,yep, and said those boys had
nothing to do with it.
But see, my thing is this whywould you?
I'm not copping to nothing.
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You're not going to make meconfess to nothing I didn't do.
I never confessed to anythingthat I did and I know I did it
and I'm not confessing to it.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Talk about that.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
And we're going to talk about that a little bit
later before we depart.
But back to these guys.
Back to these guys with thisthing, though it's just, their
time is up, their time is up.
This movement we got going.
This movement is taking on andit's getting stronger.
There's more momentum, growingday by day.
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That's why I brought you in onthe Godzilla tip, because that's
how it's growing.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
But you go ahead, bro , I'm talking too much, you go.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, yeah, now, I was just going to just to
piggyback on what you weresaying a couple things.
Right, so going right back towell, piggyback on what you were
saying a couple things, right,so going right back to well,
let's start with what you justsaid and we can work back to old
Reverend Al.
Right, so, real quick.
Just like you said, everybodyinvolved with that Central Park
Five were Democrats.
That's what needs to be knownand repeated.
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And they don't care about that.
They never cared about thatcase.
They really don't even give adamn about that case until and
unless it's time to use it totry to score cheap political
points against Trump and usingthat as a segue of
ineffectiveness.
Let's not forget that justduring this last election cycle,
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the failed campaign by thatIndian lady, kamala Harris they
paid, they paid, they paid, theyfooled Reverend Al yeah,
$500,000.
Let's not forget half a milliondollars.
(26:06):
They paid to Reverend Al andthey paid that to Reverend Al to
squeeze the last little bit ofinfluence that up is because her
campaign failed.
She paid off Reverend Al andshe paid off Roland Martin.
(26:36):
And what we found out becauseof that is that, like you said,
this movement is so much morepowerful and I speak for myself
than I thought it was at thismoment in time For us to be able
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to cause that campaign to crashand burn based on her
disrespect of our community,with her cosplaying a
foundational Black Americanwoman, then pretending to
promise us men that she wasgoing to create some policies
for us, and come to find outthere were universal programs
for everybody else.
We're done with the disrespect.
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But not only are we done withthe disrespect, what we've seen
going back to that Targetquote-unquote boycott with them
in Costco.
It quote unquote boycott withthem in Costco to his check it
pass and his dwindling influenceover our community.
We're also done with thegatekeepers.
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And that's a beautiful day forus as a group and as an ethnic
group and for this movement atlarge, because now it's us
calling the shot.
We get to say no, we're notwith the anti-symbolism, just to
tie that in a bow to bring itback around to the target.
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Like I said, quote unquote,boycott what they established
during that time when they weretalking about making some moves.
This was on their website and Ithink this is important for the
family to know.
Okay, that year when they didit, it said hey, the CEO, brian
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Cornell, who was the CEO at thetime, to share their team's
steadfast commitment to standwith Black families, share their
team's steadfast commitment tostand with Black families, to
stand with Black families, tostand with Black families and
fight against racism.
Target kicked off the work witha $10 million pledge to advance
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social justice and support ourcommunities.
But that was just the start.
Since then, target hasestablished REACH, r-e-a-c-h our
Racial Equity Action and ChangeCommittee to create an action
plan to guide our way.
The six founding members aresenior leaders from across
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Target with diverse perspectivesand expertise across the
business.
Now I'm bringing that upbecause that remember they said
we want to stand with Blackfamilies.
Now they said that.
But then when we talked aboutthe money, it said to advance
social justice that's everybodyand support our communities.
(29:27):
We don't know what communitiesbecause they didn't even specify
Right, they threw the switcharound Exactly because then,
when we get to the racial equityagain, racial equity that's
everybody, because everybody hasa race.
So we hear these words, wethink it's us because that's how
we've been conditioned tobelieve.
But once you say racial equity,that's equity for all races.
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And check this out, the sixfounding members of the senior
teams they put together in thename of standing with Black
families but giving $10 millionto social justice.
Out of the six members, therewas only one Black American
person.
On this, on this, on thiscommittee that's supposed to
stand with our families againstracism.
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One out of the six was a blackAmerican and she was a woman.
Right, right, there's a whitewoman on there.
Three quote unquote people ofcolor Hispanics and a
continental African.
And this is what happens.
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Dealing with seeing that we knowthe Republicans ain't shit in
certain, in certain light.
Right, we know that.
But this is the thing that theDemocrats do on the liberal side
of things.
That makes it look like they'redoing something for us but are
practicing white supremacy witha smile.
And we got to get much betterat calling it out so that we are
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now more policy over party, andthat means any party, because
true liberation in the politicalsense for our people is
demanding policy from any side Idon't want to say both sides
from any side, I won't even sayboth sides, but any side and
making a decision based on that,so that the anti-symbolism that
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gets trotted out by the leftand this fake, rugged
individualism, you can putyourself up by the bootstrap
that gets peddled out by theright.
We can do away with all thatshit and say, no, we are
taxpaying citizens.
We've been paying in for thelongest, with the highest and
longest outstanding unpaidjustice claim debt and this
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government, regardless ofwhatever party, is going to pay
that and we're going to makesure it gets paid in full.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I'm with you.
I'm with you 100% on thatDivine, great point you just
brought up.
And while I got you on thatright there, I want to ask you,
and I'm quite sure the audiencewants to there's people that
want to know this too.
Now, I listened to the othernight.
(32:12):
Uh, dana and judge joe brownwas on and they did a, they did
a live show and they weretalking about.
They had some calling peopleand they were talking about.
Some of the folks were talkingabout the freedmen and the
reparations thing, and both danaand judge joe brown well, you
(32:32):
know he gets a little gravitasand he's talking we don't need
that shit.
Good, if you could do all thisstuff for yourself.
You don't need the governmentthis, this and that and then
this constant trope about we areperpetual victims.
We fall into the because.
Now, I don't.
I haven't asked Dana thisquestion about, and I want to
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ask her this Do you think,because we talk about
reparations, we're pushing forit, we're advocating for it?
Is that what you call us webeing perpetual victims and
we're looking for handouts?
Speaker 2 (33:12):
This is the talk man, that's a great.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
This is the talk and this is.
I'm tired of that trope aboutoh, y'all waiting on it, we're
not waiting on the government.
It's just like when somebodyowe you some dough in the
streets or whatever the casemight be, yeah, you're going to
get some more money, but youstill want the money they owe
you.
Just because I'm still gettingmoney elsewhere doesn't mean I
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forgot about what you owe me.
So I'm tired of the trope aboutus being beggars and we're
waiting on government handouts.
We're doing what we got to do.
Part of now, dana I understood,because she did explain some of
it.
We can.
There's a lot we can do forourselves.
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There's a lot because we'vedone it before.
Historically we've done it.
Black Wall Street's all over theplace, but a part of that is
galvanizing the people undersome kind of call.
I think and this is a perfectplace to start with the
reparations you have differentideals of what reparations
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should be and how we should goabout it, but nonetheless it is
a conversation.
We can all galvanize aroundTangible benefits laws to
protect us.
We can all galvanize aroundtangible benefits Laws to
protect us.
Once we do get ourselves to afinancial independent state,
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we're going to need laws toprotect us because of what
happened before, when we got towhere we needed to be and people
just came and just took thingsfrom us to where we needed to be
, and people just came and justtook things from us and they
targeted us with different.
What do they call those things?
Those laws, those Black codes,the black codes, the when they
destroyed the townships, these?
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Eminent domain.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Eminent domain and all of this stuff, urban renewal
and things like that.
This is how they finessed usand got that stuff away from us
and finessed us.
So we need protections againstthat.
But I'm tired of the trope thatwe're just sitting around
begging for reparations, for agovernment check.
That's not what we're doingFrom this microphone right here.
(35:34):
Divine I, when we with thefoolishness, when the people in
the community are with thefoolishness, I call it out.
When they was back here about ayear or two ago, they was doing
all that shooting and carryingon around the country on 4th of
July shootouts and at theseevents in Chicago, there I was
saying I got right on them.
I got right on them.
(35:54):
If y'all don't cut thisfoolishness out, these people
are going to declare martial lawin some of these cities where
we at and you're going to havethe military locking down these
urban cities where our people at, if y'all don't cut this
foolishness out with theseshootings and carrying on.
That's what I said from thismicrophone.
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So it's not like, no, we're notsitting around waiting for a
government handout.
First of all, it's not ahandout.
Now, judge Joe Brown.
I love him, I respect him andeverything, and he has a very
traditional mind when it comesto constitutional things, but
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he's in character most of thetime so he gets very grovel in
his tone.
You don't need that shit, youknow he's, but he means well.
I believe he means well and,like with some of us, he's.
But he means well, I believe hemeans well and, like with some
of us, he's fed up with some ofthe behavior and I understand
(36:56):
that.
At the same time, at the sametime, you are out of touch with
what's going, you don't?
I've heard some of his, some ofhis tropes and, in my opinion,
judge, you're out of out oftouch with with the youth.
They not, these kids are notall.
These kids are not suckers andpunks.
(37:17):
Gotta, you, gotta remember alot of us older cats dropped the
ball and left these kids outhere.
So you know.
But can you speak to that?
Can you speak to that, please,devon, speak to that.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Man, I could.
First of all let me shout.
I want to give a shout out tomy sister, dana with the data,
and I will go as far as sayingthe big homie, judge Joe Brown.
I actually was on a show withDana with the data and on the
judge, and I won't go as far ascalling it a debate, but we went
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back and forth on what youexactly what you talking about
on one of her live streams andyou know, you know again, I'm,
I'm who I am, regardless of thecompany and regardless of
whatever respect level orcashier the person has.
So what I'm about to say isnothing I didn't say to the
company in regards to whateverrespect level or cash that a
person has.
So what I'm about to say isnothing.
I didn't say to the judge'squote-unquote face because it
was online, but everything thatyou just said and pushed back on
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I said straight up to the judgeand let him know that I
disagree with you and this iswhy and this is how what you're
saying is not factual from myperspective.
And at the end of it he waslike you know what, brother, I
don't really believe inreparations like that, but I'm
digging what you're saying andthe way in which you're going
about it.
So that is out there on Danawith the Data's YouTube show.
(38:42):
Y'all can look that up and seemy conversation that I had with
the judge.
So this is not something thatI'm making up on the fly or that
I did not say to the judgedirectly when I had the chance
to be in his company.
And again, I have respect forJudge Joe Brown.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yes, yes, I'm going to look that up because I never
saw that playback.
I never saw it.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Yeah, yeah, definitely look that up.
That was a great conversationand he had again some of those
same talking points and I wantto say this because you know, we
know we know too short that hisfavorite word we ain't going to
go there, but I just want tosay my favorite word.
As you guys would come tounderstand as we get to know
each other's family and I comehome to the station more often
than not my favorite word isnuance.
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You're going to hear thatprobably more than I say any
other word outside of reparation, right, and so the nuance in
this conversation is somethingthat we have to become very,
very well aware of, because oncewe understand the profile of
the person we're speaking to,we'll understand the reasons why
they're saying the things thatthey're saying.
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So when we talk about those ofus and I'm talking about us you
know, obviously we've got thewhite supremacists, we've got
the Afrants and they have theirown profile and they think
differently than we do, fortheir different reasons.
But right now I'm specificallytalking about other foundational
Black Americans, other Americanfreedmen, and why certain
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things come out of their mouthsin the way that it do and the
way that it does.
So first we'll talk about thoseof us that kind of lean more
liberal or Democrat right thatdon't necessarily stand on the
same business that we ingrassroots stand on
wholeheartedly.
So you'll hear them talk aboutand sympathize with other groups
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that they claim are othermarginalized minorities or
quote-unquote people of color,because they have been
socialized with that particularline of thinking to include
everybody together.
Because we are all in the sameboat, we all have the same
plight and if we work togetherwe can overthrow the system.
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That's a very general kind offraming.
But if you understand thatportion of it, then you
understand why people on thatside will say oh no, we got to
fight for the immigrants and wegot to fight for DEI and we got
to fight for this and fight forthat because that's their
ideology.
Now to those of us and it's myfirsthand experience that this
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is the category that Dana fallsinto I love that sister and
Judge Joe Brown.
Really Much respect to JudgeJoe Brown.
No, no, no, no, no, I'm gettingready to say their profile.
Okay, that was the sole.
The other profile was for themore liberal Democrat leaning
Right.
Okay, got you, got you.
My fault, my fault it.
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More liberal Democrat leaning.
Okay, gotcha, gotcha.
My fault, sister Dana.
Now you good, you good, becauseI'm kind of idiot.
I wasn't really clear because Ididn't get a chance to finish
that statement, but Sister Danaand Brother Judge Joe Brown fall
into the other side, the moreconservative, right-leaning
perspective or ideology, and inthat one, that's where you get
the rugged individualism, that'swhere you get the
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respectability politics, so tospeak, and that's where you get
this idea that they lean moreright.
Where it comes down to oh no,if I made it, you can make it.
The whole bootstrap myth comeson that side of the line.
And because of theirconservative leanings, that's
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where you get the respectabilityof oh, those people are just
doing wrong and they deservewhat happens to them.
And so when you get somebodythat feels like you, whatever
happened to you in a system youdeserve, if you feel that way,
then you also have to feel thatanything that you want to happen
to you positively, you canaffect that within that system
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if you just work harder or dothe right thing.
And most of the time theybecome a victim of their own.
Funny that they want to callthose of us that want
reparations for what was done tous being victimized.
They become a victim of theirown levels of success.
And so what happens is they sitthere and turn around and say,
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well, I made it, I didn't makeany excuses, so now you got to
do the same.
And if you do exactly what I do, then you can get what I got.
Now we all know that that's notthe case, but their ideology is
built on that, so that's why itcomes out of them in that way
more oftentimes than not,because that's just what is at
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the foundation of their being.
And so, to talk directly to whatyou said, and he says that a
lot.
Here's the fallacy with that,here's what's wrong with that
from a factual standpoint.
We don't even got to talk aboutfeelings or where each and one
of us sits.
Let's just take the facts.
Because what they said neitherside lines up with facts.
And that's the beauty of us asthe grassroots, being in the
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middle, taking the nuancedposition, looking at both sides,
seeing what we can take thatdoes apply, and then applying it
.
But when you're on either side,you're not factually correct,
you're just partially correct,and you're taking that and then
you push it out to suit yourideology.
And so when the judge says, ohyeah, you just have this victim
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mentality.
Well, we got to go with thefacts.
Have we, as a demographic, beensystemically targeted still to
this day and victimized 100%?
No one in a right mind or beinghonest would say no to that.
So is it a victim mentality?
If you have been victimized?
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No, you have been a victim of acrime.
Who would say to somebodyfiling a class action suit oh,
you're just operating in yourvictim mindset?
No, you would have to prove thecase and when the case is
proven that you are victimized,you get restitution.
That's where we're at in theprogram, not a true class action
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lawsuit in the way of thejudicial branch.
But we have already proven ourcase that we have been
victimized.
Now it's time to demand therestitution.
Now it's time to demand thereparations.
We have never sat around andwaited for anything.
We don't have that luxury,never.
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We're the only demographic inthis country that has ever
gotten it out the mud.
That's right.
That's right.
When you hear that term, we'retalking about us.
That's right.
There's no one else that hasdone it.
And we know because, again,factually, we just got the
update on how bad it really waswhen that same Trump that people
(45:36):
say, is doing all thesenegative things and then
criticizing Doge, and they aredoing some things that are
questionable and can be viewedas negative, but the bottom line
is through those actions guesswhat they uncovered US aid.
But the bottom line is throughthose actions guess what they
uncovered US aid.
And what did those US aidmembers show us?
That we already knew and wastrying to tell the family that
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there ain't a demographic inthis country outside of Black
Americans that is not held up bysome form of government funding
, aid resources and subsidiesPeriod, by some form of
government funding, aidresources and subsidies period.
So we got to dispel that myththat there are people, based on
their decisions alone, achievingsome level of success in this
country through some ruggedindividualism or some
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bootstrapism.
That's just not the case.
Every demographic has gottenpublic assistance of some kind,
even if it's just governmentsubsidies, and so we have never
gotten a chance to just sitaround and I'll say this before
I take a breath.
(46:45):
So this could be more of a backand forth, but I'm not done
with this particular subject,the.
The bottom line is this whatmost people don't realize, or
most people don't even know, isthat Black Wall Street was built
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through some form of reparation.
It wasn't rugged individualism.
Those people were given thatland for the ills that was done
to them.
A lot of those people that wentto Oklahoma and founded Tulsa
were our ancestors or some ofour ancestors that were enslaved
by the five civilized tribesand civilized just means
slave-holding tribes.
Look that up.
So when we talk about this ideaof, oh no, we could, could just
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do it without reparations, whenno other group has ever done it
without money, resources andfunding from the federal
government, that's a trope thathas been invented by the right
wing to encourage us to not lookfor redress like every other
group does.
When they are aggrieved by thisgovernment, they seek redress
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and demand it and get it, and noone bats an eye.
We're the only people that'ssupposed to not get the redress
that we deserve.
And when you said that and talkabout if you got money and
somebody else owes you money,are you going to say you don't
need that money because you canmake more or you can get it on
your own?
Nah, and I'm going to quote thegreat scholar Big Worm.
(48:15):
He said it's not only about themoney, it's the principle, it's
the principalities.
I don't care how much money Igot.
If you owe me, you owe me.
You think Verizon says you knowwhat.
We made a billion dollars lastyear, so you don't owe us on
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that bill.
They come in and get their$50.22 for your internet and so
guess what?
They owe us and we're working.
They owe us and we ownbusinesses.
They owe us and we hustling.
They owe us, and some of us areon public assistance.
They owe us and we hustling.
They owe us, and some of us areon public assistance.
They owe us, and some of us useEBT.
They owe us, and some of us aremultimillionaires, guess what.
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I don't care what our standingis in this country.
You owe us, and just because Imade a billion dollars last year
, I'm coming to get my $52.23for that monthly service,
because it ain't only about themoney, it's about the
principalities.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
If I might add on to what you're saying, I'm trying
to hang with you, bro, butyou're making it very difficult.
I'm going to try to hang withyou, though.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Now you're already with me, bro.
You're right here with me.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Here it is.
Dana made a statement that shedon't want to hear nothing about
what happened before becauseshe wasn't born yet into none of
that slavery and stuff.
I wasn't born into slavery,however.
I was born into Jim Crow, youunderstand.
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My grandparents weresharecroppers.
I don't know if I told you wasit you or King.
My father, his father, was asharecropper.
My father had 10 brothers andfour sisters.
The little ones could go toschool but if the other ones
were old enough to work, theyhad to work the crops in the
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farm.
They weren't allowed to go toschool.
I think my father got caughtbecause he was one of the
younger ones.
It was about three or fourother brothers under him.
Baby, uh, the two younger girls, but the two older sisters,
they had to work.
My aunt Vera and my aunt, uh,jeanette, uh, jenny Weeds, they
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called her, and anyway, I sawwith my own eyes what that life
was like, because my I, when wewould go down south, when school
let out in the summer, we wouldgo down there.
I actually stayed in the housethat my mother was born in a
shack.
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It was a shack, I think it was.
Three bedrooms, a little roomin the kitchen, no bathroom.
They had a fresh water well inthe front and they made a
makeshift sink where they had awell, a pump, not a faucet, a
pump where they wash dishes andstuff.
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I saw what that was and I'veheard the stories.
My father had told me directlyhow, doing sharecropping, his
father would get beat every yearbecause when they harvest the
crops they would take theproduce and the meats to the big
market to sell and they wouldtell my grandfather oh, we broke
(51:44):
even.
We didn't make a profit.
But he had a shack to stay onwith his kid family and they had
food they could eat and hewould give them a few dollars
here and there, you know, butthat was the cost.
(52:04):
Now, don't you think that had aneffect on my family through the
generations?
Those people, though I had 10uncles.
Think that had an effect on myfamily through the generations?
Those people, though?
I had 10 uncles from my father.
It was 11 boys and 4 girls.
We got one aunt left, aunt May.
She was the youngest girl.
I watched those people diethrough the decades of
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alcoholism because they were sohurt.
Even people drank themselves todeath.
I had an uncle.
My father's baby brother diedwhen he was 33 years old.
Uncle Bill Right, I saw, I seenthe pain, you understand.
(52:53):
So in the state of Mississippiit took them 130 years after the
emancipation to ratify the 13thAmendment in the state of
Mississippi.
Right there.
1995 is when they finallyeradicated the 13th Amendment.
It took them 130 years to dothat.
(53:16):
We ain't talking about no far,far away time.
Yes, I understand what Dana andthem are saying.
I understand the mind thatJudge Joe Brown has, but man
don't sell a short like that.
(53:36):
Then, on top of all of that,you're talking about redlining
and all these things.
Housing discrimination thisstuff ain't stopping until the
1965.
Discrimination bills and stufffor housing.
Housing discrimination thisstuff ain't stopping until the
1965.
Discrimination bills and stufffor housing, fair housing I was
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born into that, did I?
Yep, yep all of this, all ofthose things were had a residual
effect on my family.
Where would we be at had my, mygrandfather, was able to buy
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that land or purchase that land?
Come on that land that mymother and them was born on, it
was from a man that the mannamed was Otto Miller, the
Miller place they used to callit.
That's where my mother grew up,was born in that house, in that
shack, and they worked thatland.
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Well, actually my grandfatherhad left for a time and my
grandmother was doing domesticwork in town.
When she had to go to do thedomestic work in town, you know
they couldn't come through thefront door, they had to go
around the back to come in anddo the work.
I saw that Divine.
I saw that Because actually Icalled my mother mom, but my
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grandmother we called her mama.
My mother would always get madat that.
You know why y'all call hermama.
That's your grandma, right?
You understand?
I saw that divine.
So when you say things likethat and you go back to the
state of mississippi in 19 notuntil 1995 they did, they Did
they finally eradicate the 13thAmendment?
Now let's, if we can, you gotanything else to say on that?
Speaker 2 (55:35):
Yeah, I wanted to say something real quick.
I couldn't just leave it there.
Go ahead, check this out, checkthis out, and I won't be long,
because I know we got othertopics to get to and we ain't
going to be up here all night,all morning, man listen, until
tonight.
So, dana and Judge, joe, andall those that well, I'm going
(55:59):
to say all of them I need tospeak for those two because I,
you know, have interacted withthem and know them.
They are smart enough to knowexactly what you said, and
that's why I'm saying whathappens is that you take what
you know to be true and youforce it through this
ideological lens.
Right, because they can'tacknowledge what you just said
and what we all know, and stillbe of the mindset of just do it
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on your own, and so a lot oftheir identity is built up in
that.
Oh, I can just do it for myself.
And once you give way to that, alot of people are too afraid to
live in that level of truth.
Right, because I can speak formyself, I'll let you speak for
you.
I don't think there's anylimits on me based on me, but I
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know there's limitations on mebased on this system.
Now does that mean I sit hereand do nothing?
Hell no.
I ain't never just sat aroundand did nothing the day of my
life, but I am aware of thelimitations, and so that's a
space that's kind of hard for alot of people to navigate.
So they got to convincethemselves that either on both
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sides of the spectrum is oh, Iknow that it is, and I convinced
myself that nothing I'll dowill matter, so I'm not going to
do anything.
And then the other extreme isthere's no problem with the
system or any drawbacks.
Now I can do whatever I wantbecause I'm free and nobody
controls me, and if I want tomake it happen, it'll happen.
And we also know that that'snot true.
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But they happen to live in oneof those extremes, because in
the nuanced area is where itgets a little bit more difficult
.
You can't just put life onautopilot.
You got to be nimble and quickon your feet and head on a
swivel, and most people don'twant to live like that.
So they live in the easierversion of those two realities
and they just happen to be onthe side of oh, I can make
anything I want happen, evenwhen they see that that doesn't
(57:52):
happen.
And so just to kind of talkabout, what you talked about is
this and this idea where shesaid, you know, you said she
said, oh, I don't want to hearabout nothing in the past.
Again, she's too smart to sayanything like that and really
mean it outside of forcing itthrough her ideological lens.
Because if we just take simplemath, simple math, simple
numbers, simple money, it'ssomething called compound
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interest.
If we just take 10 generationsand one family got a chance to
just continually pass down moneythat gained compound interest
for 10 generations, any otherfamily for 10 straight
generations had anything thatthey earned stolen before the
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next generation started.
You can't go back to generationfive and say, okay, hey, just
because you wasn't born in thefirst generation, and say, well,
I don't care what happenedbefore five generations, let's
start from here and move forward.
That's ridiculous, because youmissed out on five generations,
(58:58):
on the power of that compoundinterest, and for the most part
by generation five, with thefamily that did get compound
interest.
That's more than you'll everget by generation 10, even if
you started from generation five, because they started from
Generation 1.
And so I think about that and Ithink about how, in 1874 is when
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the Freeman Bank was closed,that's right.
And at that time, over 60,000depositors had roughly about $3
million worth of their depositsstolen, never to be returned,
never to be fought for.
You know, we put us in a biggerplace to fight for that now,
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but never since then.
But based on what I was justsaying, with that compound
interest Divine, not evencompound interest.
It's not even compound interest.
We're just talking about directto direct comparison $3 million
in 1874 and today's money isclose to $70 million in 2025.
(01:00:03):
Now, if we added compoundinterest on those deposits
because those families wouldn'tbe able to pass that wealth down
, I won't say only God knows,because a good accountant knows
how much that $78 million turnsinto a compound interest
calculated from 1874 to 2025.
See, this is the type of stuffthat makes sense.
(01:00:25):
When you are operating in truthand not pushing through an
ideological lens.
You understand very clearlythat all that was stolen.
Yeah, please, please, guys.
Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
I'm going to be real quick with this one.
I want you to come right backto it.
Good thing you brought up thatFreedman's Bank and the amount
the $3 million, and then the $70million subsequently in today's
money.
Because if you go back to mygrandparents and my
great-grandparents, where do youthink the distrust came from?
(01:00:58):
People of those eras puttingtheir money in the banks?
They didn't do it.
My grandmother and them.
They put the money under themattress.
My grandpa and them had aprivate place where he'd keep
money.
He didn't go to no bank.
When my grandmother neededsomething, he would go to
wherever his hiding place at andget her whatever she asked for
and gave it to her, and that wasthat they didn't trust the bank
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because of what happened.
That $3 million that just wastaken from them.
This is what I'm talking about.
The effects, the resoundingeffects, the residual effects of
what happened to us was passedon down.
My grandmother wasn't a slave,my great-grandmother she was
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probably right out of slavery,but they got the effects of what
happened.
Some people didn't trust banks.
They didn't trust God, theydidn't trust nothing because of
what happened.
Some people didn't trust banks.
They didn't trust God, theydidn't trust nothing because of
what happened to them.
That's why they kept moneyunder the mattress and in shoe
boxes and dug up holes out inthe backyard and kept piles of
money down in those places.
Big big things are coins.
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They didn't go to the bank withthat stuff because of what
happened to them.
It had an effect on latergenerations.
So don't tell me, oh, I wasn'tborn in it.
I know it had an effect on me.
But go back to your point.
Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Yeah, and it's just, like I said, an ignorant
statement when you're dealing in100% of the truth and not
ideologies.
And I think that's what we gotto be very careful, when we hear
people speak, to understand isit them speaking out of truth or
is them speaking out of theirideology?
And once we start asking thatquestion and applying that, we
can take a lot of stuff with agrain of salt, dismiss a whole
(01:02:45):
bunch of it and not even getcaught up in getting emotionally
invested in anything that theythink, because we know you ain't
speaking true, we speaking outthat ideology and let's just
keep it pushing.
I ain't got time to waste withyou because you don't even
believe what you're saying andif you do, you just really a
slave to that, to that, to thatideology, and that's a whole
different issue that you needreparations for right.
And so the bottom line is thisis just like you said to even
(01:03:08):
begin to think that what hashappened in the past and accrued
over time doesn't affect thepresent is just ridiculous.
We just had a reparationspublic hearing task force public
hearing.
It was yesterday.
Well, not yesterday, it wasearly, it was on oh my goodness
(01:03:29):
the 10th April 10th, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
That was the one in co-op right.
Right, that was the one in theBronx, oh man you should have
reminded me I would have madethat one man.
Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Oh man, I got you.
Next time I got you, I'll makesure.
So the next one is going to bein May I forgot the exact date
but I'll get that date.
But it's going to be in LongIsland, so we'll see if we're
going to make it out there.
I think it's a, is it Westbury?
Something like that.
I'll get the matter of fact.
I'm going to look it up whilewe want to tell, the family can
hear about it too, before we getoff.
(01:04:03):
But that one was a special onefor me because my grandmother
lived and died in Co-op City.
So I'm a Brooklyn boy, but youknow, I got origins in the Bronx
, up there in Co-op City.
But I'm saying that to say tokind of mirror your story, when
my grandmother worked forsharecroppers in Wilmington,
(01:04:26):
north Carolina.
Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Oh man, that's a crazy story out of Wilmington.
You know the story.
Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Right, exactly, and I'm still doing genealogy to see
if we are linked to or have anyfamily or friends, descendants
of what they?
You know what they did inWilmington, that's a whole other
show, but I'm still lookingthrough that, some documents and
stuff like that, to find out ifthere's any links to my family
and what happened to those, um,those uh early political leaders
(01:04:54):
in that area.
Um, let's just drop this pointhome so we can move forward.
And I love telling this storyand I think it's perfect for
this situation.
We all know what happened withgeorge floyd and and how he's
still a caricature for the whitesupremacists to beat up on what
most people don't know talkingabout oh, I didn't live there
(01:05:14):
and I wasn't there, so I don'tneed to hear about it was that
George Floyd'sgreat-great-grandfather.
His name was Hillary ThomasStewart.
He was a slave.
He got freed in the mid-1860s,you know, based on the Civil War
and emancipation.
So he was a freedman and thisbrother, despite having no
(01:05:37):
education, taught the enslavedpeople how to read and write.
During the time it was illegal,but he himself acquired 500
acres of land by the time he wasin his 20s and he subsequently
had that land stolen by whitefarmers.
(01:05:58):
And so we take that and projectthat forward to George Floyd's
great-great-grandfather neverhad his 500 acres of land stolen
if George Floyd, even in thatstore Passing counterfeit
(01:06:19):
Passing counterfeit allegedly,allegedly right To then have a
modern-day slave catcher kneelon his neck until he was dead a
modern day slave catcher kneelon his neck until he was dead.
See, this is the stuff that wetalk about and that's ignorant
to even begin to say where itsays oh, the past don't matter
where, everything that hashappened before us has led us to
(01:06:40):
this point that we're at now.
And even if you want to go downthat ridiculous rabbit hole of
well, I don't want to talk aboutslavery because I wasn't born
there, guess what Jim Crow andthe black code was not that long
ago and guess what, neither wasredlining All practices that
are still done today.
And so, unless you're going tostart your claim for reparations
(01:07:03):
today or tomorrow and get itlitigated on that day or
tomorrow, tomorrow and get itlitigated on that day or
tomorrow, eventually you'regoing to have to reference some
stuff in the past to justifyyour argument.
It don't make no sense, cause,again, she was speaking a lot of
that system, but she wasspeaking out of our ideology and
(01:07:24):
not out of our intelligence,and we can leave it there.
Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Okay, great, great stuff, stuff, great stuff, great
stuff.
We got to get to moving fast ontwo things we want to touch on
before we cut out.
One is oh, finally, you know,we the professor, black truth
always tells us that when whitesupremacy is done with their
tools, they don't shelve themfor reuse, they break their
(01:07:49):
tools.
They don't shelve them forreuse, they break their tools
because they're no longer useful, and we saw that the other day
with Jason Whitlock.
I don't know if you heard, Idon't know if you heard.
Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
You heard about it.
We talking about with NickFuentes.
Nick Fuentes, yes.
Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Nick Fuentes put Nick Fuentes yes, nick.
Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Fuentes put foot all in that big old chunky behind of
his yes.
Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
You see, yes, yes yes , you see, you know you're no
longer useful because what it is?
They're tired of thesebootlicks being put in front of
them, these mouthpiecesEssentially, that's what they
were there for for whitesupremacy to hide behind them.
The Candace Owens, vinceEllison, april Chapman, jesse
(01:08:39):
Lee Peterson this dude we'retalking about Jason Whitlock,
thomas Sowell and a bunch of theothers.
They say what white societycan't say.
That's what they were beingused for.
They take refuge in behind you.
(01:08:59):
These are talking points.
They're sick of that nowbecause it makes them look weak.
This is what Tyreek was kickingon his show.
It makes them look weak.
So they're sick of you now.
You have no more use for them.
You got blind people comingover to the Republican party.
They're saying well, theDemocrats we know the Democrats
ain't about nothing, so let's goover here to the Republicans
(01:09:20):
and see what they talking about.
They don't really want that.
This is why the position wherewe in right in the middle we
ain't on either side is the bestplace where we can be at and
this is where our strength is at.
You see, the Tim Scotts and theByron Donalds, these
bootlicking dudes.
All you're doing isre-egurgitating the talking
(01:09:42):
points for them and they sick ofyou.
Now we got to respect theseNegroes, get out of here.
So, jason Whitlock, your bigchunky behind, they sick of you
and he let you.
Nick Ferentz said the quiet partout loud.
You got your wake up call, bro,and guess what?
(01:10:03):
Guess what?
All the smoke you always gotfor black folks.
You notice these bootlicks.
They always got smoke for blackfolks.
The black church, this, theblack church, that Black pastor,
this black pastor, that it'sjust like you, me and my brother
, you my homeboy, me and mybrother.
You come to visit me and mybrother fight, you know, and I
(01:10:25):
call them all kind of names andstuff.
That don't mean you can do it,that's still my brother.
So now, how would you belooking at me if I allowed you
to go upside my brother's head?
True, you follow me.
Now they done, told you JasonWhitlock.
But here's the thing.
I think it was either.
It was nearly full of that said, if you want to find out what's
(01:10:49):
really inside of a black person, sit him in front of a white
person.
Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
And Jason Whitlock.
Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Ask him in front of a white person.
Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Right, jason Whitlock went out like a straight punk.
All the smoke you always gotfor black culture, this black
culture, that black black, thisblack black that y'all act like
savages animals.
Then the people who you talkingup for called you a token.
You ain't nothing to them.
And how did you respond to that?
(01:11:24):
You held your head down.
I don't care if if he's racist.
I don't care if some whitepeople are racist.
And you know their favoritething they love to run to Jesus
after that Mm-hmm Yep.
They love to run to Jesus.
Now you're getting religiousDumb.
People ain't got no use for you.
Man Boot, looking never endswell.
(01:11:45):
Never ends well for you.
Jesse Lee Peterson is a joke,but I understand the hustle.
You're talking this stuffbecause you're getting paid.
They don't respect that.
You're making it a hustle forthem.
This is what they truly believein.
You don't really believe whatyou be saying.
You making money off of it andthey tired of paying you money
(01:12:06):
for what their ideal is.
That's right.
And you responded like astraight sucker man.
You held your head down and youwere so gentle.
If Nick Ferentis wants to callme or tell you he wants to have
a conversation, a conversationfor what?
He told you what it is, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Now let's talk it out .
Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Ain't nothing to say.
The dude spit in your face andtold you ain't nothing, get out
of here, move your ass around,man, you understand?
Yep, same thing, same thing,and we're going to get into this
and we're going to get out ofhere.
Same thing with these Negroes.
You hear them About thisincident Out there in Texas With
(01:12:50):
the, with the young man CameloAnthony.
Right, same thing.
He should have just fought withhis hands.
Why did he have to stab himwhen they come to find out?
Well, my thing is this.
My thing is this they took hisphone and smashed it out of his
hand, smashed it on the ground.
(01:13:10):
At that point it's a robberyand if it was an iPhone that
phone was over 1,000 hours wouldhave made it a felony right,
that's a felony Right.
Why isn't that remaining brotherarrested?
That kid didn't just pull outthat knife out of his bag and
just went to stab him.
He had reason to beat it,that's right.
(01:13:32):
He was in the competition.
Those two brothers werefootball players, not track
competitors, and it's coming outthat they really shouldn't have
been there.
They had no reason to be there.
They was there to support theiralma mater, but they weren't
competing.
Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Then you set a million dollar bail for
something that should be amanslaughter Now, where the
young kid messed up at, he ranhis mouth.
This is why they tell you don'tsay anything because it's going
to be used against you.
And he, he didn't know the kidwas dead.
He asked him is he all right?
You're talking too much.
But he don't know this.
(01:14:11):
He hasn't been groomed for that.
But these two twin brothers wereknown bullies, from what I
understand.
Now, before I go any further, Iwant to make an apology to the
family because last week I madea statement about it that there
was a toxicology report thatcame back that showed the kid on
drugs.
That is.
That was a rumor.
That is true.
I apologize to the family formaking that statement and we
(01:14:34):
here on this treatments networkwe are not beyond reproach and
beyond apologizing when we'rewrong.
So I do apologize for thatmisinformation.
Man, that's huge.
How is this 5'6", 130-pound kid?
(01:14:55):
They said.
How are you going to fight a6'1", 225-pound boy football
player?
He's a track star and there'stwo of them Now.
He already told them don'ttouch me, don't touch me.
Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
He told them they were he already told them don't
touch me, Don't touch me.
He told them they were warned.
That's right, that is man,you're 100% on that.
And just to kind of piggybackon this and then go back to what
you said previously, just, youknow, I don't know how much of
the family are fight enthusiasts, whether it's boxing or UFC,
but for all those, much of thefamily are, you know, are fight
enthusiasts, whether it's boxingor UFC.
(01:15:30):
But for all those that are like, yeah, you know, he should have
just fought him with his handsor his excessive or whatever,
the case is that you're tryingto spew out there to negate his
valid self-defense claim is whatyou're essentially asking him
to do.
If you're a boxing fan, isyou're asking him?
Let's just say he's superskilled, right, let's just go
(01:15:53):
with the assumption that both ofthem are equally skilled.
You're still asking a FloydMayweather to engage in physical
combat with a Tyson Fury.
Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
Yep A damn near 90 pound, almost 100 pound
advantage.
Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Right, and more than that, because I undersold it.
It ain't Floyd Mayweatherversus Tyson Fury, it's Floyd
Mayweather versus two TysonFuries.
Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
That's right, Because they were both taking part in
the accosting him.
They were both accosting himExactly.
This is from eyewitnesses.
Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
They were both accosting him.
Yep, that's right, and so thisidea that he can just he could
afford them more.
Listen, when there's that muchof a weight difference and
there's two of them, they couldhave took his life with their
bare hands.
And I don't know how many ofy'all have been in a street
(01:17:02):
fight I've been in a couple inthese mean streets of New York.
It only takes one wrong hit tofall back your head on something
and that's it.
It don't even got to be thatthey beat him to death.
It could be one wrong hit, andwe're talking about hits coming
from two directions, from twobullies that are bigger and
(01:17:23):
stronger than you are.
I'm not sure how hisrepresentations don't argue the
case, but I know I view that asa life and death situation.
I've seen fights go terriblywrong when both people are
evenly matched.
So being overmatched andoverpowered to those numbers, to
that degree, and with potentialracism or white supremacy
fueling it and egging it on,only God knows what that man
(01:17:48):
protected himself from that daythat's right, that's day, that's
right, that's right, that'sright.
Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Yeah, man, but you got the last word, divine Cause,
when we've been up here a goodwhile.
Now, we've been up here a goodwhile and I'm gonna give you the
last word, brother.
Oh, but before you do that,before you do that, before you
do that, um, is the emailcampaign still up and running?
Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
I was.
I was going to be part of my,my, my last word Go ahead, take
off, go ahead, nah, nah, it'sall good, it's all good.
Um, what I wanted to say is, um, kind of touch on before I get
(01:18:44):
to the very last word or lastword.
I wanted to also just make acomment about what you talked.
Similar to Nick Fuentes,because even though he is a
white supremacist, let's notforget that he is a white,
hispanic white supremacist.
That's right, that's right, andwe have to understand that.
Again, going back to not viewingthings as factual but viewing
(01:19:07):
things through ideology, theDemocrats and the left wing will
tell you that Nick Fuentes is aperson of color, a fellow
historically marginalizedgentleman, because he's Hispanic
.
Nigga, please, I like that, ohman, and so I'm bringing that up
(01:19:38):
to say, at the last publichearing in the Bronx, we had
another Hispanic gentleman getup on the mic and talk about how
he did not want to seereparations happen for
Foundation of Black Americans,really, because he felt that it
was unfair that the governmentgets to choose whose dead
(01:19:58):
ancestors are important andwhose are not.
Mind you, he was an immigrantfrom Puerto Rico.
Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
He didn't even have no business there.
Really, to be honest with you,he had no business there.
There was no place for himthere.
Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
At all, and I'm saying that to say, in the same
way in which Nick Fuentesencroached on Jason Whitlock's
face, regardless of whether weknow him to be a coon or not,
there has to be a deep dive doneon these Hispanic slash Latinos
(01:20:34):
that truly believe that it iswell within their right and
agency to step into BlackAmerican spaces and territory
and speak against our claims anddoing what we're doing Like
(01:20:54):
they're back home in the countrywith their abuela, like this
has to stop.
And so again, we understand whoJason Whitlock is, and this is
by no means a defense of JasonWhitlock at all.
But again, to quote my man, bigWorm, it's the principalities.
And so I'd be damned if I'mgoing to side with a
(01:21:16):
conquistador against anybodythat is Black American.
And then we could discuss BlackAmerican business and how much
of a coon you are once we getthat conquistador out the door.
And so, because we have to talkabout Jason Whitlock's response
to Nick Fuentes versus hisresponse to Stephen A Smith, a
(01:21:40):
fellow from the left wing, againspeaking about ideologies, both
of them are detrimental toBlack American progress.
Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
They're just on separate sides of the same coin,
stephen A to come to StephenA's, a little bit of defense for
him.
He ain't bad as Jason Whitlockat least not at all at least
Stephen A will tap, dance aroundus a little bit too and try to
appease us too.
(01:22:08):
He don't go full coon now, hewon't do that.
Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
Without question, I agree.
Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
Jason Whitlock.
See what happened when I'mgoing to tell the family about
him and I told my boy this theother day.
What happened with JasonWhitlock?
Dudes like him have a built-inhate for their own culture
because look at you, you're abig, fat, unattractive man.
(01:22:35):
You've probably been hurt bysome, some beautiful black women
, anything you got sexual winesyou had to pay out of your
pocket for and that never andand chas probably tapped his
pockets and robbed him, and whenyou see that kind of hurt on
somebody when they constantlygot smoke for their own, that's
usually what it is.
Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
Yep Agree wholeheartedly.
Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
Now you got brothers and it's not always about the
looks.
I know some fat jolly brothersain't attractive or whatever in
the face.
That ain't for men to judgeanyway.
But I'm saying, man, they'tattractive or whatever in the
face.
You know that ain't for men tojudge anyway.
But I'm saying, man, they getall the women in the world, Some
of the baddest chicks, becauseof their personality and their
charisma and their swag.
It ain't about their looks,it's about their charisma and
(01:23:25):
their swag they have.
Biggie Smalls was a primeexample.
Remember what he said Black andugly, as ever, however, However
, you understand.
So, Jason Whitlock, you haven't, you're not that that means you
don't have the creativity toinvent yourself and to become a
(01:23:48):
ladies' man.
That's all that is is hurt whenyou see people kicking that and
there's a market for that.
For black people to talk aboutother black people, there's a
market for that, there's anaudience for that and there's
money to be made in that.
I could get up here and go in onculture all day and talk about
(01:24:12):
what's wrong with our community.
I could do that all day and Iprobably.
We have a big old studio andmoney and you know, papered up
from from white folks wouldprobably be sending me donations
because that's what they wantto hear and it's a black man
saying it.
But I don't do that.
We struggling up here it's agrind Not a struggle but a grind
(01:24:36):
.
But I could take the easy wayout and say you know what I want
?
A bunch of.
I go on YouTube, get a bunch ofclicks and views and likes and
create a PayPal and a Cash Appand, man, we'd be rolling
because there's an audience forthat.
But you ain't going to get thathere.
But you go ahead, man, you gotthe last word bro.
Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Yeah, so you know.
I just wanted to say I know Ipromised the family that I would
have that address, so I do haveit.
The next New York StateReparations Task Force meeting
will be on May 6th from 4 pm to8 pm.
Again, that's May 6th, from 4pm to 8 pm.
I believe that's a Tuesday, ifI'm not mistaken.
(01:25:21):
Yes, it's a Tuesday, the firstTuesday in May, and it's going
to be at SUNY College at allWestbury's recital hall.
That's two to three store HillRoad, all Westbury, new York.
One, one, five, six, eight.
Again that is going to be onMay 6th, 4 pm to 8 pm.
(01:25:44):
Suny College at all Westbury'sRecital Hall, 223 Swarthill Road
, old Westbury, new York 11568.
So, in line with that and thesegue to the last word currently
making moves in the New YorkState Legislature, we are true
(01:26:10):
believers in the New York StateLegislature.
We are true believers in thefact that you cannot accurately
repair a thing until youaccurately define a thing.
And as I've said before, and Ibelieve I said it last time I
was here with the family,african American is insufficient
(01:26:32):
.
It is a catch-all term foreverybody with melanin in the
United States of America thathas any ancestry that links back
to the continent of Africa.
So that means Afro-Caribbeans,continental Africans,
afro-hispanics and foundationalBlack Americans are all listed
as African American according tothe federal government.
(01:26:52):
And so in New York State wehave a bill which is A6341A
Again, that's A6341A and for thefirst time in in history in New
York, it would mandate that thestate of New York disaggregate
(01:27:18):
the data so that we can have ourown category for resources set
aside and, more importantly,start the process in us being
able to have policiesspecifically set aside for our
group.
So again, that's A6341A.
(01:27:38):
You guys can go read it foryourself and, if you feel so
inclined, to start making callsto your local politicians,
assemblymen, senators, assemblypeople, city council, whoever,
community leaders and let themknow that there's a bill that
(01:28:03):
accurately defines all of uswithin the black ethnic groups,
that we can start gettingpolicies done that would stand
the test of time against anyconstitutional challenge that we
know was coming from the quoteunquote right wing activists.
And so, as my brother mentionedthe email writing campaign,
(01:28:26):
currently what we're doing isthat we are getting ready to
formulate that and have that golive.
It could be at the touch of abutton and you guys can um,
click that button and send theemails out to the politicians in
new york, um, whether they beby committee or your own
personal, and all those involvedwith signing this aggregation
(01:28:49):
legislation for other groups,because they've done it before.
This is not groundbreaking tothe point where it hasn't been
done before for any other group.
It just has never been done forus.
In 2021, they did it for theAAPI community and in 2024, they
did it for the MENA.
So now it's time to do it forus, especially since we are one
(01:29:12):
of the oldest, if not the oldest, ethnic group in New York State
.
So once that goes live, pleasefollow us on Twitter X whatever
you decide to call it at USFreedman PRJ, so that's at US
F-R-E-E-D-M-E-N-P-R-J, so youcan stay abreast on what we're
(01:29:36):
talking about, what's happening,and as soon as that call to
action goes live, you will seeit there and you can participate
and we can start making thishappen.
Because if we don't advocatefor us and that's just not here
in New York State, but anywhereacross the country what we have
seen is no one else is going toadvocate for us.
The great thing about it is,like my brother here just said,
(01:29:58):
we are on the clock, we are onthe job, and now we are here
advocating for ourselves.
So everybody else has got toget out and lay down.
Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
There it is.
That said family, that said.
That said you must respect life, have respect for life, love
justice, cherish freedom and,most of all, keep the peace.
Y'all go in peace and keep thepeace and come back and see us
next week.
We'll be back here at thefreedman's network and um, thank
(01:30:28):
you, brother, thank you forcoming up here and gracing us
with your presence.
And yeah, it's been real.
It's been real, it's been realand it's been tight.
Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
No, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
Peace Woo.
Hey, papa don't take no mess.
(01:31:18):
Papa don't take no mess, papais a man.
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