When Knowledge Meets Reality: A Deep Dive into Black America's Future

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Speaker 1 (00:35):
Thank you for watching Peace.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Peace and welcome back to Freedman's Affairs Radio
, the Freedman's Network.
I'm your host, vaughn Black,here and right out the gate.
We want to thank you forsmashing that button and tapping
back in with us again thismorning.
We're dealing April 1st, we'redealing with knowledge, april

(01:12):
1st 2025.
Knowledge is the situation wedeal and, but today?
But today, as you hear meplaying the theme up in here,

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and like I always said at thevery beginning of this program,
when we opened, when we firststarted, I told you that these
waters had sharks in them and wegot one of those sharks up here
today with us and that is mybig brother.
I promise you he was coming upand he's here and, uh, come on

(02:00):
in, malik, peace, peace, peace.
How you feeling, black man?

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Good how you man.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, I'm feeling wonderful, wonderful, wonderful.
Anytime you come up here, man,it's like man, it's just.
I know it's going to be good.
So it's a big old smile on myface right now.
So we're going to make itspecial.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
We've been having these conversations for the last
30 years.
You just putting it, justrecording it now yeah, that's it
.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
That's it, you know, you know.
But yeah, man, it's um, the,the, this, this thing's been
crazy, crazy.
Before we get into the topicsfor today, I'd like to.
I hadn't spoke to you about it,but last week I met with the

(02:57):
United States Freedmen's Projectand the chairs, the chairman
for them.
I had a meeting with him Well,it was, it wasn't actually me
and his meeting he was.
He invited me becausetechnically, I'm not on the, the
committee, I'm not on anycommittee with them.
I'm not exactly, uh, an officialpartner or member with them I

(03:24):
don't know what the word is touse, but I work with them very
closely and, and you know, I'mvolunteering my time and
whatever I can do to help them.
And they, they've made me feellike part of the family, so
whenever they hold a meeting I'mthere.
And this meeting was, you know,it was a update on the um, the.
The um was an update on thepush for the reparations here in

(03:47):
New York State and it waspretty good.
The sister Brooke was there.
She came in.
She came in after a whilebecause they did Zoom, so there
was a few of us there at themeeting and then they opened it
up to the Zoom to other membersof the Freedmen's Project.
So yeah, so I'm a an officialmember of the group.

(04:09):
But you know I was, you knowI'm.
They treat me like family, samesame up here, when, when I,
whenever, and he told me hewanted to come back up.
Um brother divine, I don't knowif you caught that playback
with him, I did with him.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, I heard one of them.
I think it was the first oneyou did.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I only did one with him.
He's only been up here once, sothat's the one.
Yeah, he's coming back.
I believe it's next week, Ithink it's next week.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah, I heard him speaking, though on, I think,
the one you did last week.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah, I played a little clip of him.
Yeah, I played a little clip ofhim.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but he'scoming.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
That's important, man .
That is very important whatthey're doing, because you know
we learn from our mistakes, youknow, and we're looking at what
went wrong before and we seethat what went wrong before.
When you know, we turn up andthen they say, okay, well, look,

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we got to.
We got to get up off of thishere, we got to get up off
something and give these blackfolks something before they tear
this place down, you know, butin the end, when they develop it
, they do it in a way that theycan slip that language in at the
end and take back whatever itis that was given.
You know, and the Civil RightsMovement, what they did with the

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word minorities.
You know, this was supposed tobe something that was
specifically meant to repairBlack folks, but when they put
the word minority in there, thatmade it everybody eligible for
it.
Anybody could be considered aminority, and the biggest

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beneficiaries of that were whitewomen, you know, because even
though their husbands owned thebusinesses and they profited
from it, they themselves didn'town the business, so they
consider themselves a minorityand took the set aside that was
supposed to be for us to becomerepaired, you know.

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So now, with this reparationsthing, you need a committee like
that in order to look at thelanguage, because they'll try
the same thing again.
You know we already got allthese other groups that are
trying to jump on the bandwagon.
You know, saying that, oh, itshould be for all black folks,
right, but this is not somethingthat's for everybody.

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This is specific to thedescendants of the freedmen, who
were descendants of ourancestors that were enslaved.
These people came over herecenturies later.
They're not eligible for that.
They're not eligible for that,you know, and I think they know

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it.
But the position that they'rein, they feel that they have to
join the side of the people thatare in charge, or else they'll
get deported, you know, orthey'll lose the benefits that
they're getting, you know, andregardless to'll lose the
benefits that they're getting,you know, and regardless to what

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benefits they are and howthey're living, it could be a
hundred times greater than wherethey came from, you know.
So they don't want to give thatup.
So, and instead of themfighting along with us, you know
, they're in a position wherethey got to fight against us for
their own, or what they believeis their own, survival.

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You know, and it's sad, butit's good that you know, we're
waking up to the fact that wehave to look at these contracts
and we have to look at thesebills and we have to make sure
they don't put poison pills inthere.
You know, because we got peoplethat are actively fighting to

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make sure that there's nothingthat's going to be given that's
going to be race-based Right.
But our claim is not race-based, our claim is lineage-based,
you know, and we are thedescendants of the freedmen and
the freedmen were the ones thatworked, sweat bled, died in

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order for us to be able tosurvive.
You know, and they were told,they were promised certain
things.
Everybody likes to use the term40 acres and a mule and $100 to
buy a seed.
You know, but it's deeper thanthat, because it wasn't just
what they promised us that wedidn't get, it was what we built

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that they took away.
You know, and there's so manydifferent instances and places
and things that they have done.
You know that requires them torepair and one of the main
things is the income inequality.

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You know the separation.
We need the reparations so wecan repair that.
You know how separation we needthe reparations so we can
repair that.
You know how is it that the top1% own more wealth than the
bottom 90%?
You know, you got three peopleElon Musk, jeff Bezos,
zuckerberg, mark Zuckerberg,facebook yeah, they have more

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wealth than 170 millionAmericans.
You got CEOs, these majorcorporations that make 300 times
more than the average worker,and all this happened because of
this 75 trillion dollartransfer of wealth that went

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from the bottom 90% and went tothe top 50%, and it's all.
It's like a monopoly.
They can say what they want.
There are laws against it, butthey've done it.
You've got three bigcorporations, international
corporations BlackRock, vanguardand State Street.
They own 95% of Americancorporations.

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They got the economics to buypolitical power, you know, and
60% of the average Americans areliving from paycheck to
paycheck.
You know it's crazy, but thisis the position we're in and
this is why reparations issomething.

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That's not for us to leapfrogover other groups of people or
anything like that.
It's to pay what they owe.
That's what it is.
When somebody owes you, theygot to pay and one way or
another, they they got to payand one way or another, they're
gonna pay.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
That's why I got much respect for the brothers
watching yeah, this is why I doI do what I do.
I'm up late at night a lot oftimes and I'm right back up.
I go to lay down late and I'mback up early, I get in here in
the office and start draftingemails and doing what I gotta do

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and then I start taking care ofmy business and making my daily
phone calls and doing you knowand that type of thing.
But I start off with with thework first, whether it's whether
it's research or something Ididn't do the night before and
I'll do a continuance in themorning.
But one thing you said that wasvery important, that the reason

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why for these committees anddifferent things like the United
States Freedmen Project, thereason why they're important, is
because, like you said, to makesure the language and that's
what part of what that meetingwas about the other night was
that we had there was somelanguage.
Because I'm new to a lot ofthis.

(12:14):
You know things dealing withbills and stuff like that.
I'm learning this stuff as I'mentering into this phase of this
work.
And so we're sitting there anddivine had the laptop open and
he had.
He had the um, the bill or the.

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He had the bill up on on thecomputer and I'm looking at it
and I'm looking at the languageand I'm saying and I'm pointing
to it because I didn't want tointerrupt him while he was
talking because he had the restof the people on the Zoom so I'm
pointing to the bill and I'msaying what's this?
And he addressed it right away.
He said yeah, that's thelanguage, we have to deal with

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that and it had thatAfrican-American word in it and
so on and so forth.
And he said this is part of thereason why we're meeting,
because we have we're trying toget the language aggregated out
of that language.
We're trying to get itaggregated.
And this is the proposal thatwe're pushing is to get these,

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some of these language and someof these bills aggregated.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
And then I understood that's the poison pill.
Exactly, then I understood.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
It's the poison pill.
It's the poison pill.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Exactly.
They go through all the motionslike they're going to do
something, but they putsomething in there that, in the
end, is going to sink the wholething.
You know, because as soon asyou, by putting that language in
there, then you got them.
Guys, what's his name?
Ed Bloom, or something likethat.
Ed Bloom, yeah, ed Bloom, you,yeah, you know he's dead set
against any type of race-basedbenefits for anybody, right, you

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know, and he's just sittingback and waiting, you know, and
they put this stuff.
They did it in California, youknow, and they're going to try
to do it here too.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Well, I'm going to keep it a buck with you Right
now.
The way that commission hasthis thing written up in the
language they're proposing toput on the floor, it's going to
die as soon as it's introduced.

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It will die because of therace-based situation.
It is unconstitutional to havea race based uh compensatory
proposal like that.
It's not.
It's not going.
It's going to die.
It's not even going to go upfor a vote.
And ed blum, like you said,he's sitting in the in the
bushes just waiting and see.
Now, here's the problem, here'sthe problem.
What we up against on thesecome, these commissions, whether

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it be cal, now california thosewere a lot of them were were
foundational black people theywere, they were descendants of
freeman, but we all know they,they, those negros in in high
places, the black faces in highplaces, they, they, they're not
going to do anything.
Their, their job is to not doanything.
Now, when it comes to the NewYork one, that New York, the New

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York Reparations Commission, isfilled with foreigners, filled
with foreigners.
Most of the people in thatcommission is from the Caribbean
.
Yeah, and they don't.
They're not, they're going to.
You got to go back to, tosomething Byron Donald said.
I mean, I forget, I think itwas a breakfast club he was on

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and they asked him aboutreparations and he said he was
against it because his mother isJamaican and she wouldn't be
eligible for it.
Right, and I think his fatherwas Panamanian, or something
like that.
So now that's the problem,because now, when this thing
comes up for a vote, what youthink he's going to vote, what

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you think is going to be hisvote?
No, because his, he has no.
But see, this is where theyshoot themselves in the foot and
they wonder why we delineatingbecause of you.
If you would stop and think.

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I was listening to a live thatBrother Afro Elite had put up
the other day.
He hosted a live and there wasa Jamaican sister that got up
there and spoke.
He hosted a live and there wasa Jamaican sister that got up
there and spoke, and she's theone of the first ones that I
heard say anything that made anytype of logical sense.
She said she's married to a, toa foundational.

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He's a foundational blackAmerican.
She's married to him.
And they talk about thereparations and different things
like that.
And he said to her but you'remy wife, you know if, what?
If you don't, you know you'renot going to qualify.
She's she's like don't worryabout that, because once y'all
get it, it's only a matter oftime before the rest of the

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diaspora gets it People in theCaribbean, people in the
continent of Africa.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
You know.
But see, the problem is they'renot.
You got people that have a veryshort attention span and
because of that short attentionspan, they can't see far and
plan far into the future, farinto the future.
So they don't understand that,once we get it that, that'll be

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a how did I say?
That will be a seed for them tofight for the reparations from
the people that oppressed themin their land.
And the only thing that's goingto stop that seed is that they
keep up this nonsense thatthey're doing and trying to

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prevent us from getting it.
You know, because, as far as weunderstand right, the oldest
military strategy is divide andconquer, and that's what the 1%,
these oligarchs, that's whatthey do.
If they can keep us fightingagainst each other, then we

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won't say wait a minute.
How is it that one man can havea billion dollars and the next
man can have nothing, and theyboth put forth the same money.
And the problem is what I liketo consider as, or what I like
to call, the perfection ofcapitalism.

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You know, because that's allthat it is.
Capitalism has been perfectedto the point where you've got
one person that could havebillions and billions of dollars
, you know, and it doesn'tmatter that he has exploited
these people to get there.
You know, and it's acceptable,because instead of us looking

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and striving and fighting andtrying to get codes where we can
help everybody, we're fightingagainst each other for the
crumbs that's falling off oftheir table.
The wealth in this country isalready locked down Through

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stocks, through real estate andother investments, and the
remaining 13% is what the bottom90% is fighting.
So if they can keep us fightingagainst each other, then we're

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not going to be focusing onfighting against them.
People that are exploiting uswith low wages and poor health
care.
How is it the richest countryin the world got the poorest
health care system in the world?
You know where you got 87people who are either uninsured

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or under insured.
You know, and because it's allabout the perfection of
capitalism, they make money offthe drugs.
They make money off of theinsurance companies that provide
insurance for health care.
You know, and that's what theirfocus is.
Their focus is not onpopulation health, on improving

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the health of the people.
It's all making money.
How do they make money?
And selling insurance which isused for different operations
and treatments, some of themthat are totally unnecessary.
With proper education, you know.
But I'm digressing a little bithere.

(20:56):
Let's get back to the subject.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Well, you heard me.
See, I didn't interrupt youbecause I'm following it.
You know, I'm following it.
Here it is here, it is right.
This is why the delineation wasso important.
Now see, when we saydelineation, it's not just from
other melanated people or fromdifferent countries.

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See the first thing theAfricans jump up oh, you're
being divisive.
Caribbean people jump up oh,you're being divisive.
Yes, because the last time Ichecked, division is a
mathematical expression thatsolves problems.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
You understand, that's how I look at division.
So division is not a bad thing,necessarily solves problems,
and it's solving a problem thatwe have for the longest, and
that is the, the illusion thatthere was some pan-africanism,
the illusion that there was somefellowship with our kinsmen

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from across the waters, theillusion of it, and it's not
just delineation from them, it'sdelineation from the negroes,
right from our lineage.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
We delineate from them too and we're also making
it clear that the delineation isbecause of the tethers.
It's not all Africans that wehave said, okay, well, we got to
close ranks on, it's the onesthat come over here and

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undermine us.
They come over here andundermine us.
They come over here and theyfight against us.
They come on jobs and theyactively recruit one another
against us.
They tell the people don't messwith them.
These Black Americans is nogood.
Meanwhile, the whole world hasadvanced because of our culture.

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Around the world, the thingsthat we did, the things that we
say, the things that we do, theadventures that we had, you know
, the entertainment that weprovide, the sports that we
provide, all of this is ourculture and they all benefit
from it.
But they don't want us tobenefit from it.
It wouldn't be like Parasite,just sucking the blood and

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sucking the blood and suckingthe blood.
But when the host says you knowwhat?
That's enough, start flickingthem fleas off.
You know now they're panickingbecause you thought by coming
over here, you know, and joiningforces with the same ones that
colonized you in your country,that made you say, okay, I've

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got to get up out of here, letme go to America where I can
make some money.
Took all the resources out ofhere, economically deprived our
culture, there's nothing here,let me go to America, there's
nothing here, let me go toAmerica.
Instead of coming to Americaand saying, okay, let me start
from the bottom and step up andI'm going to go to the people

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that look like me, that are inthe same position, and we find
out how to move.
No, what do they do?
They join sides with the samepeople that destroyed their
country.
They come over here and joinsides with them against us.
So then we say, you know what?
Let's start taking a closerlook at things.
When that happens, right,instead of just saying, okay,

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this is all, everybody here isjust flat black, we all the same
.
Let's find out who it is that'scausing all these problems.
Okay, and put the blame whereit belongs.
Okay, if it's the foundation ofblack American that's causing
all these problems, okay, andput the blame where it belongs.
Okay, if it's a foundationalBlack American, that's a coon,
that's a tether.
We call them out and we tellyou right away.
This is Jesse Lee Peterson.
This is Vincent Everett Ellison.

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These are the people that areagainst us, and we're calling
them out, right, but they don'tcall out the ones that are
against us that are amongst them, because either they got the
same mindset as them or they'reon the side of the oppressor.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Okay, and this is the reason why we had to delineate
yeah, well see, the thing is,that is all of that, what you
said and plus the fact of thething is that is all of that.
What you said and plus the factof the matter is is that they
that's the culture they comefrom.
They over there knocking eachother upside down and cutting
each other throats and jumpingover each other, that's what

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they come from.
So when they come here, it'seasy, they can do that at home
with their own.
When they come here, man, it'sjust a thing.
But here's the thing, right, andI heard Phil Scott say this.
He said now everything you justsaid.
He said it and also he saidthat dumb folks look at you.

(26:01):
You think you doing somethingby siding with them against us,
but you don't know how crazythem folks looking at you, you
think you're doing something bysiding with them against us, but
you don't know how crazy themfolks looking at you See, when
they and like Professor BlackTruth always say, when white
supremacy gets done with theirtools, they don't put them away
and stock them where they coulduse them again, they break them.

(26:22):
They break them.
They have no use for you there'sno so what I'm saying is, now
that you done, did that?
You done served their purpose.
You done came over here.
You delineated the minute yougot off the boat or the plane or
however you got over here youdelineated.
Now they looking at you whenthey ain't got no more use for

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you.
They looking at you likealright, now, what't got no more
use for you.
They looking at you like allright now what you doing here,
man, move your ass around, getout from, get back to where you
come from.
That's why now they cryingabout the deportations, they
crying to us now.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Exactly.
They say why are you notmarching?

Speaker 2 (27:01):
with us.
I'm good man, we ain't comingout there, we marching with us.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
I'm good man, we ain't coming out there, we ain't
doing no marching.
And what did you say?
You said, oh, these Yankee boysand all these Akatas and all
these Jareel, they got all thesesecret names that they call us,
they denigrate us, call us lazyand all this here you know.
So we said okay, you know whatY'all want to stand among

(27:27):
yourself.
Okay, stand by yourself, we'regonna stand by ourselves.
Our great historian, scholar,teacher, baba john henry clark.
He said and I know it was justa pipe dream, but it was an idea
he said what Africa needs to dois close its doors.

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Don't let nobody in, don't letnobody out.
Take a complete inventory andfind out the strength that you
have right, and then startinviting people in to do
business, and that way you willalways remain on top right.

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The problem is there's no suchthing as flat black.
Not even Africans believe thatthey're flat black.
They don't even believe they'rethe same people and they can
live from the same country.
You can have different tribesin the same country, speak the
same language.
They're different tribes andthey don't even consider
themselves as brothers andsisters.

(28:32):
The only ones they consider astheir own brothers and sisters
are the ones in the same tribeor the same family.
They don't believe in blacknessover there and they don't
practice it over there.
But when they come over here,they don't believe in blackness
over there and they don'tpractice it over there.
But when they come over herethey say oh, we all the same,
everybody, african.
No man, we're not going forthat, no more.

(28:53):
Okay, we're not going for that,no more.
If you're down with us, thenyou roll with us and we're not
going by what you say, we'regoing by what you do.
That's what we look at.
What you do, what are youractions?

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Right.
And to add on to that is whenwe say, yeah, you can come over,
we want you on the sideline.
You don't speak for us, youfollow our league and you move
in our shadows.
We don't need you up fronttalking.
Move how you move in ourshadows.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
We don't need you up front talking Now.
You know that they don't evenhave a dollar amount for how
much each individual would getfrom reparations, but it's
somewhere.
It could be anywhere from$150,000 to a million dollars
per person Right Now.
There is no foundational BlackAmerican that I know that I grew

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up with that would say no, wedon't need that.
You know, unless it's somebodywho is very wealthy.
Even the people that are verywealthy ain't going to turn down
$150 to $1 million inreparation.
The only ones who say we don'tneed that are, like you said

(30:16):
that, congress.
What was his name?
Byron Donaldson, whatever hisname was.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah, Byron Donaldson , Byron Donaldson.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Yeah, it's somebody who know they're not eligible
for it and because they can'tget it they don't want you to
get it.
Talk about crabs in a barrel.
That is the real crab barrelsyndrome, you know.
But the delineation movement,man, I'm telling you I have
never been so excited about ourpeople waking up than ever

(30:48):
before.
We know this is the age ofknowledge and everything is
being revealed.
But I'm so glad that people arewaking up and when you look
back you can see this is why wewere bombarded with
mind-altering substances throughthe years.
It started with the acid andthe heroin in the 60s, then it

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went to the coke in the cracksin the 70s and the 80s and then
it went to the bollies and allthese other pills and all this
stuff.
Because they knew that you gotto keep that black mind away
from truth.
Because once the truth get inthere and it starts spreading
around, they ain't no stopping.
You know they ain't no stopping.

(31:33):
They can do whatever they want.
They ain't no stopping.
The Lineation Movement is strong.
People are understanding.
You know people who at one timewe could say oh, these people
are slaves of a mental death, ofpower.
They don't know people arewaking up.
The mental death part is vastlydiminishing.

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It hasn't went away yet, butit's vastly diminishing and
there are many of us that arewaking up.
It's a beautiful thing.
It's a beautiful thing towitness.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Right, that's why that Pan-African stuff is dead.
That's dead.
They can put the nail in thecoffin because that's over with.
But here's the thing.
Here's the thing.
What you just said is going tosegue into the actual We've
never been up here 32 minutesalready but the actual topics

(32:25):
that we intended to touch.
You just segued right into that, and that is um.
I'm gonna bring up I don't knowif you, if you're aware of the
um, the, the executive order bypresident trump one one, two,
four, six, and let's, can wepull it up here?
Let me see, can I pull it uphere?

(32:45):
Yeah, there it is.
Yeah, executive order one one,four, two, one one, two, four,
six, signed by President LyndonMays Johnson in 1965, required
federal contractors andsubcontractors to take

(33:08):
affirmative action to ensureequal employment opportunity,
and it was rescinded byPresident Donald Trump on
January 21st of 2025.
Now, you know what that is?
What that's about, right?
That's about the, the right forcontractors to ban people using

(33:40):
the same restrooms, and thatkind of thing.
You know?
Uh, you remember about a week ortwo ago they was, it was a real
hot topic and people werelosing their minds about it,
especially on the democraticleft, and they, they been.
They been trying to get.
Wow, what was that?

(34:04):
Yeah, I heard a noise like likeit was okay, that's you, that's
you fumbling around back there,okay, but yeah, okay, yeah, I
could hear clear through the mic.
But here, here's the thing.
Right, um, the the.
So here's the thing with this.

(34:32):
If they are rolling back andgoing back to segregation, so
what Now?
You had black folks jumping upand down two weeks ago.
Oh, they're trying to go backto segregation.
You had Roland Martin and allof them.
He was losing his mind.
Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep,beep, beep, beep, beep, beep,
beep, beep, beep, beep.
You understand, trying tofearmonger and get folks excited

(34:58):
because they don't have ananswer for why this man is back
in the White House.
So they reaching at everything.
So when he did this executiveorder, when he rescinded it,
that's what he did.
He rescinded the order andpeople are losing their minds
and they trying to fear, mongerand get us excited about.
Well, we all, we all going tolet him just do that.

(35:20):
Yeah, why are you not heremarching in this and that?
You know, reverend Allen, yeah,we got to get down there and
march.
We got to go marching.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Real Slim Shady.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
That nigga, there, that nigga there boy, that nigga
there, lord, I wish he would.
Just the great sky would openand he'd just go away Right.
The faster the better.
Man, that dude there, man, himbetween him, and that Maxine

(35:57):
Waters, and that Jim Clyburn andthat bunch.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
But you know something I look at them as
being necessary evils to adegree, because you know,
whenever you're in a situationlike this, you have to figure
out a way to come out, make thebest of it, in other words, you
know.
So what I use Sharpton for is,in conversations when I have

(36:24):
with certain people, you bringup their name and you see how
they feel about it.
That gives you an idea of wherethat person's head is at.
You know you're missing out onsomething.
Oh yeah, sharpton, that's myman.
He's fighting for this,fighting that.
I look at him and I'm like you,damn idiot.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Damn it, billy.
You just almost made me choke.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
God, that's the way I look at them, because I mean
this dude has did so much uhthat's ridiculous you know what
I'm saying.

(37:04):
I mean, he actually tried to getAsada Shakur to come to the
slave theater in Brooklyn.
Remember the slave theater,right?
Yeah, I remember.
Yeah, he tried to get AssataShakur to come to the slave
theater to do a lecture, right.
Meanwhile he had the feds onspeed dial.

(37:24):
If she would have came theywould have got her, they would
have caught her on US soil.
And once I heard he did that, Isaid oh man, how you going to
try to do something like that?
Sisters shot her.
You know this was a livingexample of resistance against
the government.

(37:44):
She bounced with the Cubans andgot asylum in Cuba and been
over there ever since Livinglove, and she sees also Tupac's
godmother, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yeah, she's Tupac's godmother.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
She was Matulu Shakur's sister, I believe.
Okay, she was Matulu Shakur'ssister and Matulu was Tupac's
stepfather, right right, right,yeah, so yeah, but she's the
aunt and the godmother.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Mm-hmm, yeah, so once you yeah, you, pull a jack leg,
move like that.
I ain't got no use for themtype of dudes, man.
And that remind me of something.
And just for a littlehousekeeping here, family that's
listening to the program today,don't forget.

(38:43):
Don't forget.
Go to changeorg and we have aemail campaign going on to the
commission, the decision makersin the commission for the new
york state reparations um to uhcommittee.
We have an email campaign andwe emailing them.
The emails are already set up.
They were set up by this thing.

(39:04):
Sister brooke did it and shedid an amazing job setting this
thing up.
So go to changeorg and send theemail.
All you have to do is press thebutton.
You can draft your own email,but the emails are already
drafted.
They just need you to registeryour name and everything and
sign the petition and then hitthe email, send the email.

(39:27):
We're trying to it's an emailcampaign and it's also a
petition to, like we said,trying to get the bill
aggregated you know from thelanguage that it's currently
written in and we're reallytrying to appeal to the
commission to say look, wehoping y'all would do the right
thing.
We know they're not going to doit because, like I said,

(39:48):
they're full of foreigners andthey don't want us to have it.
Most of those people areCaribbean.
They don't want us to have itand that's why they drafted it
up the way they did and they'regoing to present it like that
and it's going to die right onthe floor.
So all of this is theater,really pretty much theater.
And I spoke to Devon and heknows this.
But yeah, but I don't want toget too far.

(40:08):
But, yeah, go there.
And that reminds me last weekago, last week ago, and I'm
going to send this program tohim so he can hear it, because
I'm going to call you out.
I'm going to call you out.
Last week ago I was messagingback and forth with the brother
I told you from Jersey.
He's a Mason Good friend ofmine.

(40:32):
I've been knowing him for years.
I've been knowing him since Iwas a kid, you know.
But I told him about it and Isaid you know, do me a favor,
man, you know, hit the email andsend it.
And his first reaction was thisnigga, this nigga.
You know what he said to me.
You know what he said.
He messaged me back.
I'm going to have to get backto you on that.

(40:57):
I'm going to have to get back toyou on that man nigga hit the
email and send it what yougetting back for you ain't no
need to get back to me.
Hit the email and send it, man,what are you talking about?
They ain't gonna Huh.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Scared of what.
Scared of what.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Nigga.
You retired.
He's a retired cop from Jersey.
Retired, you damn.
I think he close, if he not 70,close to it.
Scared of what?
Well, you know, people don'tlike to be targeted.
No one wants to be targeted.
Target you for what?
What are they going to do?
Take your time, the feds goingto investigate you Because you

(41:42):
sent the email.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Huh, what did Jason Black call them?

Speaker 2 (41:48):
old niggas, that's what he calling.
You got to watch them.
Old niggas.
I couldn't believe it, man, youdo that much of a coward.

(42:10):
What are you scared of?

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Well, the thing they're afraid because first of
all, they came up with beliefs.
Now, today's degree isknowledge.
That's right.
Knowledge, we know, is thefoundation of everything, from
the cradle to the grave.

(42:34):
You know.
This is why, you know, ourscriptures tell us to seek
knowledge from the cradle to thegrave, to the grave Opposed to
belief.
You know, belief is secondary toknowledge.
You know, in terms ofdeveloping your wisdom, because
the wisdom is born out of theexperiences that are gained
through the application ofknowledge.
You know, in terms ofdeveloping your wisdom, because
the wisdom is born out of theexperiences that are gained
through the application ofknowledge.

(42:54):
You know, and you know a childthat is told to stay away from
the fire because it's hot, youknow, may or may not believe it.
You know that belief may borncuriosity to seek the knowledge
of if the fire is hot, if theexperience is that, if he
experiences that fire, he willknow that it's hot and he don't

(43:16):
have to believe it anymore.
That's right, it's crazy man.
You know belief is not reallyreality, because reality is what
, that's what you are, what youdo, what you think.
Belief is a means to escape frommonotonous and a cruel
existence.

(43:36):
Belief divides people into what?
Hindu, buddhist, muslim,christian, socialist, capitalist
, and on and on.
Knowledge brings like-mindedpeople together because at the
basis of that knowledge and atthe experience of that knowledge

(43:58):
, you gain wisdom from it andfrom that wisdom you gave
understanding.
And that understanding, whenyou apply, it, becomes your
culture.
Your culture is one of freedom,and that freedom brings you
power or refinement.
So the culture and the freedombrings you your power and
refinement.
Refinement only means to cleanyourself up mentally as well as

(44:22):
physically.
But you can't clean yourself upmentally or physically if you
don't have the knowledge, if allyou're doing is believing.
Believing is a doubt, if it'ssomething that's as you know.
I try to tell it to my brothersthat are really into that
religion that if somethingthat's as important as your very

(44:46):
salvation, don't you think thatneeds to be studied until it
becomes knowledge?
Instead of just believingsomething, shouldn't you study
it until it becomes knowledge,until it becomes exact science,

(45:08):
like the comedian George CarlinI heard him say one time.
He said they have convinced usthat there's an invisible man in
the sky who sees everything,knows everything, and you know
what he needs money.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
He needs your money.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
He needs your money, right, he needs your money, he
needs your money.
And now, if that is not enoughto wake somebody up, I don't
know what is, I don't know whatis, you know?

Speaker 2 (45:42):
What it is, malik, and to be honest, and now
there's some people that are notinformed or not aware because
they haven't been See, this iswhy we've been fortunate,
brother, you and I have beenfortunate to go through
different phases of life,seeking knowledge of self and

(46:04):
going through the lessons andgoing through the rigors of the
dean, and we've been blessed inthat way, even up until now, to
sit back and say you know what?
That wasn't it, it ain't hithome like that.
And then now I want to say thetwilight of our lives we've come

(46:34):
to an understanding that whatwas originally planted in us is
what we needed to build on.
Now.
Those experiences that we wentthrough were necessary, but now
we're at a point where we're'regoing back to the foundation
it's just like when you were inschool, right?

Speaker 3 (46:55):
you go through preschool, kindergarten, first
grade, second grade, whatever.
As you advance the highergrades, the work becomes more
difficult, becomes morechallenging and because of the
knowledge that you got at ayounger age, you build on that
and you add on it, and that setsup a strong enough foundation

(47:19):
mentally for you to withstandthe weight of powerful knowledge
.
If you've been taught the samething when you're five years old
that you taught when you're 10years old, that's no advancement
.
And then when you're 15 andthen you're 20, you start the
same thing.
And then, when you get grown,they teach it to you again.

(47:41):
But now they tell you that yougot to keep it a secret because
the rest of the world don't know.
The rest of the world don'tknow what know.
I said well, I don't know what.
There's nothing that you learnin those so-called lodges that
people don't know.
A lot of it is just mythology.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
That's what I be trying to tell this dude, right
Like dog, don't you know?
They gave y'all 30, 33 degrees,right, 33 and one-third degree,
or something like that theygave them 30.
Man, I don't realize.
Muhammad gave us 120 degreesoff the rip.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
What are you talking about, man?
Hold on Just a second, I'mgoing to let you go Hold that
thought.
Then he sends me these videoclips and stuff.
Video clips.
Man, I don't need no videoclips.
That stuff you sent me I doneseen 10 times already before you
sent it.
I need you to elaborate on whatyou know.

(48:45):
I don't need to see no videoclips.
Who you trying to convince Me?
Or yourself, right?

Speaker 3 (48:51):
I've been.
I don't need to see no videoclips.
Who you trying to convince me?
Or yourself, right?

Speaker 2 (48:54):
I've been knowing.
I've been knowing thisinformation since I was about 12
, 13 years old.
That's what you talking about,man.
It's old to me, really, but I Ihumor you With it a little bit
and you know, let you engagelike you're telling me something
, but you're never able toelaborate or break anything down

(49:16):
.
And that's where the candy isin the breakdown, and that's
what we was trained.
You and I were trained to dothat from very young.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
That's right To teach he who is a savage civilization
, righteousness, the knowledgeof the self and the science of
everything in life.
No peace in that.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
This is why that's our duty, that's our duty as a
civilized person.
That's why that's why, at yourage, what you still scared of
man, don't you know some of themost boldest, baddest cats.
Be the most boldest cats.
Old men, don't take no stufffrom nobody because you don't

(50:01):
see life already.
You know you ain't fair ornothing.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
The older you get, the more fearless you get yeah,
but the other thing too is youhave to that indoctrination has
to be broken.
You know, and indoctrinationthat comes from it can either
come through the miseducation ofthe school system right, it

(50:28):
also comes through themisunderstanding of different
cultural aspects like religionand the value of sports and play
and recreation, and all of that.
You know that indoctrination,because you get indoctrinated
when you go through the system,through the school system, you

(50:49):
get through the social system,through the social system.
You can get indoctrinated Atsome point.
That indoctrination has to bebroken, and I think with us it
got broken at a young age withthe introduction of 120 degrees,
because 120 degrees it coversevery aspect of society on a

(51:13):
knowledge level right Now.
Once you get that and you startto apply it to the way that you
live and the things that you doevery day, you know, then that
adds another 120 and you get 240.
And once you reach theunderstanding of that, then you
have 360, which is a cipher,which is a circle, a complete

(51:35):
circle consisting of 363, whichdoesn't mean that you don't have
to learn anymore, it means thatyou just have to go on to the
next cycle and you have to getknowledge of that wisdom, of
that understanding of that,learn how to live, whiz for that
Understanding of that, learninghow to live Culture, refine
yourself, clean yourself upmentally as well as physically,

(51:55):
and reach the higher level ofunderstanding.
You know, and I mean, like yousay, this is something that
we've been blessed with, and formany, many years.
It was frustrating because yousaid, well, damn, when is
everybody else going to catch up?
You know.
So you started like swaying alittle bit because you didn't

(52:17):
have, unless you had,contemporaries that thought the
same as you, you might getpulled into some negative
situation.
You get out of it, but you canstill get pulled into it because
you don't have like-mindedpeople around you.
You know, and that's one of theproblems we have.
But now I'm saying somebeautiful things to so many

(52:39):
people and it's something thatit ain't something that just
started.
You know, I started noticingthis back in like 2003, 2002, I
said wait a minute, man, you gota lot of people out here that
are awake.
You know that, know what'sgoing on.
You know you got different typeof conscience.

(53:00):
You got some people that arepolitically conscious and people
that are spiritually conscious,people that are economically,
financially conscious.
You know, they know how to getthat bag, you know, and it takes
all of these different aspectsto come together.
That's what unity means, whenyou can bring all these

(53:21):
different aspects.
Unity in the community meansbuilding the things that are
necessary for communities tosurvive and to thrive.
You need grocery stores, youneed supermarkets, you need
hospitals, you need banks.
These are the things that arenecessary for a community to

(53:42):
grow, and that's the type ofunity that's needed.
The only way you're going toget that unity is going to have
to be a code and understandingyour lineage.
That, right, there should be acode.
If you understand your lineageand you love yourself, then you

(54:03):
love your neighbor.
You know, if your neighbor isnot worthy of it, then you
delineate.
You know we delineate nonsense.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
That's right.
That's right, that's right.
Now I want to talk to twopoints you did real quick and
then we're going to move becausewe're getting close to that
time.
Two things that you said.
One I want to address is let metell you something I know now

(54:36):
that I've been born to do this.
You know why my mother has toldme as far back as I can
remember.
She said, boy, I knew you wasgoing to be a problem because
you was rebellious from the crib.
She said I knew you was goingto be a problem.

(54:57):
You understand that to thepoint.
I was born in this worldknowing something was wrong from
the crib.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
It wasn't nothing wrong, it was something right.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Well, in the essence of it, yes, but the way things
were going, I knew something waswrong and I remember telling my
father.
I remember telling my fatherone time and Dr King was on the
TV screen and I don't knowsomething was going on.
And I said to my father, I saidman, I said I hate white people

(55:38):
and man, I almost got a buttcutting for that and he and I
couldn't understand it because Ididn't know Dr King.
But I knew something in myspirit was telling me that he
was the man, he was good.

(56:01):
Something about him was tellingme that.
And I'd seen how we were beingtreated from the TV screen,
black and white little TV screen, and I remember the visions of
the hoses and all that stuff.
So I knew something was wrong.
And my mother said, she saidI'm boy.
She said I know you was gonnabe a rebellious one.
She said you've been rebellingever since the crib, before you

(56:24):
could walk, you was rebelling.
There you go.
So, yeah, the, the um, theother thing that I got on, I
forgot what it was you weresaying you would say you was
dropping so much.
Sometime I gotta stop youbecause I'll be trying to gather
it, you, you'll be.
That's why I love when you comeup here, man, I love it and and

(56:44):
and the family love it also.
They love when you come up here.
But yeah, we're gonna move into.
You've been paying attention toin in the rap world, the hip-hop
world, with our people.
These brothers been gettingcharges.
They just charged this littleyellow, yellow dude with the
with the uh murder for hire forfor mo three and and and all of

(57:06):
that.
And then los angeles, calCalifornia has been in this last
week or two has been shook toits core with the thing with Big
U and the Rolling 60s and them,and I talked about it a little
bit last week but I didn't gointo too much of it.
But see, here's the thing Tariqdid, a did.

(57:26):
He hosted a live where he wastalking about this gangster
gossip, gossiping gangsters.
I've never seen nothing likethis.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
These dudes are indicting themselves yeah, you
know, when it comes to thatwhole uh term gangster,

(57:57):
gangbanging, gangs you know Itry to look at it from a
perspective of what I know agangster to be.
Now, when I was coming up, theonly gangsters I knew were a

(58:23):
number of gangsters.
They were real gangsters.
They were organized, they hadplaces of business, they had
people that worked for them.
When you see the way theydressed, they didn't dress any
different than anybody else.
They don't go into an officejob or a business, open business

(58:49):
or whatever you know, and theywere generally respectable
people.
You know, that's my vision witha gangster.
Now, with West Coast Rap NWAcame out, they were talking
about gangsters, gangsters.
To me that wasn't gangsters,that was gangbanging.

(59:12):
There's a difference betweengangster and gangbanging.
You know, and these guys, whenyou look back, gangbanging
there's a difference betweengangster and gangbanging.
And these guys, when you lookback at rap music, right, we
know that the rappers from the80s were basically just

(59:34):
imitating the drug boys from the70s the way they dressed, all
that gaudy jewelry, a lot ofjewelry, you know sports suits
like Adidas suits, you knowstuff like that.
It was Playboys and all thatother stuff.

(59:55):
But mainly this is what therappers were doing.
They were looking up to thedrug dealers from the 70s
because they were the ones withthe money and the cars and women
were chasing them.
And this is what people look.
This is what the rappers wouldimitate.

(01:00:16):
And then you had the rappers inthe 90s that were imitating the
rappers from the 80s, who wouldonly imitate the drug boys.
So you had imitators imitatingother people and in the 2000s
you got the rappers imitatingthe rappers from the 90s that
are imitating rappers from the80s who were imitating the drug.

(01:00:40):
It's on and on.
Now you got layers and layersof imitators.
You got these niggas coming uphere excuse my language coming
up here on these podcaststalking about drugs that they
were things that they were doingback 20, 30 years ago.
You got these other catsrunning around telling my days

(01:01:03):
that when somebody comes totheir town they got to check in.
You know, and it's amazing thatthe things that they would say
on these podcasts and even whenthey know that the feds are

(01:01:25):
looking at the internet andmaking cases.
You just see what happened withthis guy, young Thug, down in
Atlanta.
They just made a whole case outof listening to their music.
And of course, you had otherpeople that started ratting.
You know they get threatenedwith doing more than 24 hours in

(01:01:50):
jail and giving them aMcDonald's cheeseburger and
they'll tell on everybody.
You know there's no loyalty tothe game.
People are telling onthemselves.
You know.
It's just.
I mean, I'm so far removed fromthat that I just sit back and

(01:02:12):
I'm amazed, you know.
I'm amazed because I know.
I'm amazed Because I know whenI was coming up, you had folks
that used to come around andtake pictures a lot.
They wouldn't even get in thepictures.
The real gangsters don't takeno pictures.
I don't know To this day, Idon't.
If you're careful, the firstthing they're going to think
about this dude must be inpolice or something.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
To this day, I don't like people taking pictures of
me because everybody want to golive.
They on Instagram, they postingon Facebook.
To this day, I don't like it.
Now I've learned to deal withit a little better, because I
used to get really offended whenpeople would come up.
You had a function or gatheringor something, a party or

(01:02:57):
something, and people hey, letme get a picture.
Stop doing that, please stopasking me to take pictures.
And I had to ask my side totalk to myself like yo, you no
longer in the streets, no moreman.
What's the problem?

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Yeah, I mean, there's certain things that never leave
you, it just never, neverleaves you.
Like you could be going, youcould be driving out of block
and you, you can see, you cansee 5-0 and you recognize it.
And the person you're in thecar with don't even know nothing
.
You're like oh, how do you know?

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
You, you know, and then you gotta think so why am I
even worried about it?
You know, man, like you said,I'm so far removed.
I'm so far removed from it.
This is why, like, I don't talkabout these things much up here
on the podcast and people wantto.
Oh, you know, you don't nevertalk about none of the good
juicy, the hot tea stuff,because I'm not a gossiping dude
.
Now we got to talk about thesethings because it happened out

(01:04:07):
there in LA and Big U and themare big figures in the community
.
Now, I don't the check-in thingthat was with J Prince and all
of them was doing that.
See, the thing with me withthat is why I'm against.

(01:04:28):
That is because anybody thatcome to LA is supposed to check
in.
Right, this is what'sestablished.
Is that all the way around theboard or is that for just the
black entertainers and the blackathletes?
Because do you make some ofthese white people and Spanish
people check in when they cometo LA?

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
Billy Joel, the piano man got to check in, right?

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Do they check in?

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Larry Bird, is he checking in Right?

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Now, one of the lawyers, this dude, bruce Rivers
I forgot if I'm going to lookhim up.
And he did, he did.
I got it up here.
I got it up here.
I might play a little bit of it.
Hold on.
He said he got this littlesegment that he calls Stop
Self-Snitching.
Hold on, hold on.

(01:05:17):
Segment that he calls stop selfsnitching hold on 60s
indictment in la uh.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Rolling 60s is a gang out in the old gang.
It's a club, it's not a gang.
Um well, it is a bunch ofpeople who are getting indicted
for rico in the uh la area.
I mean, here's the deal If I wasgoing into LA and their
territory, I suppose I probablywould check in, just because you

(01:05:43):
wouldn't want the hassle andthe repercussion of not checking
in.
And that's what they'redesigned to do.
It's like he forgot what he wasdoing was illegal and it's
total self-snitching.
And every one of these videos,every one of these Instagram
posts, every one of these youknow you got chicken or it's
going to get hot.

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You know all that shit is goingto bite him in the ass.
Today we are reacting to therolling 60s indictment.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Now that was a lawyer .
This is a criminal lawyer,right Big U.
I've seen from last week, I'veseen about 4 or 5 videos he
talking about that check inthing.
Now what that is is extortion.
Well, well, he's in the feds.

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San Quentin is a state joint,but I get what you're saying.
He's in the feds.
San Quentin is a state joint,but I get what you're saying.
He's done because they also gotmurder charges on him, as I'm
understanding.
I read the indictment.
I read the indictment and King,when I tell you, man, they
loaded him up, they loaded himup with them charges he should

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have known from.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
You know, these kids don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
But this dude is out, he's up there with us.
He ain't no kid.
He's not no young kid.
Big U is about close to my age.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Physically, yes, Physically, he is our age.
What about his mental age?
You know what I mean?
Because when you look at what'sgoing on with these kids right,
a lot of these rappers theydon't care no more.
They would rather blow up ballout for a year and either get

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killed or go to jail.
Then they don't see past threeor four months ahead, you know,
and it ain't just the onesthat's in the street, you know.
You got, I think he done calmeddown Ball player out of South
Carolina, Jay Morant.

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Morant, jay Morant, john Morant,yeah, john Morant, yeah every
time you turn around he gettingcaught with a pistol.
And John Moran, yeah, everytime you turn around he getting
caught with a pistol.
And you work for $150, $200million and you getting caught
with a pistol every time.
Take a lesson from 50 Cent.
When he was going through allthat stuff, all that shootout

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mess, what did he do?
That nigga hired NYPD assecurity and he ain't got to
carry a gun.
Because now you got 20 peoplearound you carrying guns.
But these guys, they don't know.
They think that they got the Alot of what it is.
They come from an economicallydeprived community, right, and

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they've been blessed with atalent or they motivated
themselves into a position wherethey can make a lot of money
with sports with their ownathletic ability right, and they
don't realize that that comeswith responsibility.

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You got a responsibility toyourself and to your family
first and then to your community, you know.
And that responsibility don'tmean acting like somebody who's
out there fighting over crumbs,because really, if you're out
there fighting over crumbsBecause really if you're out
there and you're in the streetyou're fighting over crumbs you

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know, if you make it to the NBAand you got a $150 million
contract, you're on a wholeother level Now.
You're on a level where you canadvance yourself, your family
and your community, and I'm notsaying the whole community.
It may only be a grocery storethat you open up, it may only be

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a doctor's office that you openup.
You know it ain't got to be forthe whole community.
But do something.
Don't just run around with gunsand buy millions of dollars
worth of cars, ride around andget arrested.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Come on well see, yeah, I'm in 100% agreement with
you on that.
But here's the problem here's ahuge part of the problem.
When you look at who's raisingthese cats, when you look at
who's raising these cats, whenyou look at who's raising them,

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you understand a little more.
You know not just the streets,but even if the parent is
raising them usually it's amother raising these dudes and
you can't know.
There's no woman that can tutora male into a man.
It's not going to happen.

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Now there's mothers that havedone good jobs in raising their
sons into respectable adults.
But to be a man is not a womanthat I've ever met that had that
ability.

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And it's soft because yournature is to.
Now, I don't know about in yourhousehold, but in my household
my mother was the one that weplayed on If Pop said no, we

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figured out a way to circumventthat, to go to Ma and get Ma to
agree with the thing or whatever.
But see, my pops was not to beplayed with.
When he said what it was,that's what Every once in a blue
moon you might got.
When he said what it was,that's what Every once in a blue
moon you might got, lucky,depending on what it was, and
she might would say, well, letthat boy do such and such, such

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and such and don't worry aboutit or whatever.
Every once in a blue moon hemight would cop to it and be
like all right, get out of myface, man Go, just go.
But most.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
You know what they say.
They say that the mother lovesher son and raises her daughters
Right, and that the fatherloves his daughter and raises
her son.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Now, that was the home I grew up in.
That was it my little sister tothis day can't.
She hates my guts.
She hates the mention of myname because of the way my
mother treated me.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
She hate the name.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
She hate the mention of my name.
My uncle told me one time hesaid when you come down here,
man, you better stay with me,cause she gonna put a car track
out on your ass.
Man, that child hates me withevery fiber of her being.

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She hates me.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
Seeing you getting away with stuff that she
couldn't get Right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
And the way my mother treated.
You know, I couldn't do nowrong for my mother, I couldn't
do no wrong for her.
You know, and thank goodness,thank the universe, that my
father was there, because Iprobably would have been a mushy
little sucker if he wasn'taround.
Yeah, because my father was notto be played with.
He was not to be played with.
He had that James Evans thing,he had that down man to the core

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.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
That's where James Evans got it from.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Man, look here, that dude man.
He look at you, man, and you belike okay, I'm going to deal
with this nigga, you know what Imean.
And my pops, he didn't.
He didn't pop, did not talk, hedidn't repeat himself.
He's a nigga.
If you can Han, you can hear,Cause he spoke very clear and

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precisely.
He did not nigga.
If you can Han, you can hearBecause he spoke very clear and
precisely.
He did not play, Not with me,he didn't play, he told he would
tell you.
Man, nigga, I'll take thischair and break it over your
back if you don't get out of myface.
That wasn't a joke, though, manwhat Get out of my sight Now?

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Them girls.
He ain't never touched themgirls.
He never touched them girls,never.
That's why I would, I wouldpush, I would push my kid sister
, I would push her To do a lotof the Things, because I know
she wasn't Going to get nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
I never one time.
I never one time, you know, wehad got old enough to my mother
would go to work and then, youknow, it would be a couple hours
before my father would comehome.
So it was getting hot aroundthe time, you know, springtime
or whatever All the kids wasoutside playing but we had to

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stay in till my pop got home.
So I devised a little scheme,because my mother was at work
and she would get off a littlelater.
And I devised a little schemeto get out one day.
So I went and I cut the.
I cut the screens that used tobe in the window.
I cut the screen that used tobe in the window.

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I cut the screen right and well, I told my little sister to do
it.
I cut the screen and we'regoing to call mom at the job and
tell her somebody was trying toget in the house.
And we did that and she saidalright, well, y'all get out of
here and go go around the corner.
Her best friend was right, well, y'all get out of here and go

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around the corner.
Her best friend was this ladynamed Tina.
Y'all go around to Tina andstay there till your father come
.
So we did.
That's how we got out.
So when my pop got home she musthave called and told him what
happened or whatever like that.
And while we was outside,before he got home and he went

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and investigate that thing,right, and he said to me.
He said he asked my sister whathappened here.
She told him man, somebody wastrying to get in here.
Father looked at that thing,said he looked at me.
He said nigga, you put thisbaby up to this, right, you did
this.
This is you.
I'm saying I don't think babyup to this, right, you did this.
This is you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
I'm saying I'm like what he figured that shit out
right away, look, look.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
He realized that the screen was cut from the inside,
not from the outside.
Man, that nigga went crazy youknow, how much it gonna cost me
to fix that screen.
Nigga you crazy and the jig wasup.

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And the jig was up.
But I say all I have to say,you know, thank the universe
that he was there, because he'sthe one that kept the man
principle in the home.
He kept that man principle inthe home and this is what's
missing and what's reallyhurting a lot of our community

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or whatever Like that.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
And them cats, they ain't got no knowledge.
Them cats, I don't know what isit?
West them cats, they ain't gotno knowledge.
Them cats, I don't know what isit?
West Coast cats, they ain't gotno knowledge.
Man, when they just like lookat this dude, what he did here
it is you had a $300 millionrecord company.
You had the best producer inthe world, dr Dre.

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You got Snoop Dogg in the primeof his life, tupac in the prime
of his life, you know.
You set to make billions andwhat do you do?

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
you bring that gang shit you couldn't get away from
the monkey shit, you had to dothe monkey shit.
You couldn't get away from themonkey shit, you had to do the
monkey shit.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
He bring that P-Ru blood, P-Ru bullshit into that
game.
You know what I'm saying andthe things that they said they
was doing was crazy, man, youknow to each other.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I was talking to my lady the
other day.
I think that was yeah, theother day.
I was talking to my lady theother day, I think that was yeah
, the other day.
I was talking to her and we wastalking about that thing
because I was always crazy aboutPac and Pac, even though he
came from a revolutionarybackground and he had a natural
spirit of a leader, he was soangry because he was looking for

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leadership.
That wasn't there.
This is why he was so angry andso opposing.
He had that opposing aura abouthim Because he needed some
leadership.
Then, when you get with thisbig goofball, he got you doing
all this stupid little hood rattype of shit you know, fighting

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and carrying on.
He should have never beeninvolved in that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
You were supposed to protect him from that man you in
the club, you in the casino,stomping somebody out over a
chain?

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
that you ain't had nothing to do with.
They should have told he.
Should have told Pop, you stayhere.
Matter of fact, go upstairs tothe room.
We got this you know, how muchmoney.
They said you didn't protectthe kid from danger man.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
You know how much money they said Park had with
the guy $8,000.
They said he had a Bentley thatbelonged.
The Bentley was in the deathrow name.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Death row right In the corporation Walking on.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
Wilshire Boulevard I guess Wilshire Boulevard is like
Fifth Avenue.
He had an apartment WilshireBoulevard death row name, you
know and it was his.
It was Quincy Jones' daughter,wasn't it?
Quincy Jones' daughter?
I think Quincy Jones' daughterand Jada Pinkett that went to

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finish a call and told her youneed to take care of business,
you need to get the rights tohis music and that's it.
Don't worry about what hedidn't have, what they took from
whatever.
Get the rights to his music.
She got the rights to his musicand within one year his estate
was over 100,000.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
First year yeah, because theywas abusing him.
They was abusing him.
They was abusing him.
Yeah, they wasn't giving himnothing.
They wasn't giving him nothing,you know.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
Cadillac records.
They threw that Cadillacrecords thing on him.
Yeah, a couple of gold chainsand ball house, taking the ball
to Vegas.
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
Yeah, keep buying a pound of weed, the last and for
a week, and all that dumb shit.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
That's where he came from, man, you know, yeah, he
came from a Finnish core.
Yep.
You know, straight uprevolutionary Took on her own,
defended herself in court andbeat the trial.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
That's right, that's right.
This is why I loved it.
I was telling my lady the otherday I said I loved it, I love
big, I love big.
But man Pac was just on anotherlevel to me, he was just on
another level, the name that shegave him, tupac Amaru.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
He's like a revolutionary freedom fighter in
Peru or somewhere Right Oldschool Mayan or Inca or some
shit.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
Yeah, well, big fella , we got to get ready to depart,
man, and get up on out of here.
We done been up here longenough.
I wish we could stay more.
Yeah, and it's always apleasure out of here.
We done been up here longenough.
I wish we could stay more.
Yeah, and it's always apleasure to have you up here,
man.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
Always a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
You know, give it to them, man.
Give it to them before we go.

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
Alright, you know, when we sign out, that respect
life, love justice, cherishfreedom and treasure the peace
and with that we gonna boogiepeace peace, we'll be right back

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