Women and Suffering: Embracing Resilience and Love in the Face of Pain

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We're going to start oursubject on the table today.
We've got a special day plannedfor you, and so I want you to
answer me what do you think?
Who suffers the most?
Do men suffer the most, or dowomen suffer the most?
Is there such a thing assuffering in men?
Is there such a thing assuffering in the ladies and

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women?
That's our subject.
We're going to be thinkingabout talking about suffering
today, especially in women.
But 786-313-3115, we want youstart us off.
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Hey, this is Life for Jesus.
It's a call-in program, text-inprogram.
Let's go to our first callCoral Gables.
Hey, coral Gables, good morningto you.
So glad to get your call.
How are you doing this morning?

Caller (01:35):
Good morning, Pastor Raz .
How are you?
I'm good On my way to Delicias,España.

Razz (01:39):
All right, All right, Right.
Bible study happening thereright.

Caller (01:42):
Absolutely, sir.
All guys are welcome.
Delicia, españa, on Bird Roadand 74th Avenue, if you guys are
interested.

Razz (01:48):
All right.
And what's the subject today?
Where are you guys in?

Caller (01:52):
We're continuing a study .
It's a very interesting studythe different relationships or
impacts on people's lives ofinteracting with Jesus.
We went through the rich youngruler, we went through Nicodemus
and now I think we're going toanother situation Pontius Pilate
maybe, I think is the studythis morning.
So it's the interaction ofpeople once they meet the Savior

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and how their life changed ortheir impact on their life.

Razz (02:17):
You know, I like that.

Caller (02:18):
So that's, I think, what the study.
Yeah, it's a good study.

Razz (02:20):
I like that, you know, and it's in line.
It's in line with our subjecttoday.
We're talking about suffering.
Today, you know, suffering inmen, suffering in women, and
it's true that when you meetJesus, well, I could throw this
question out there Do we suffer,does suffering stop, or do we
get a better handle to deal withit?
I don't know what Coral Gablesthinks.

Caller (02:37):
You got the mic, Better handle to deal with it.
Suffering doesn't stop.
Jesus promised us that we wouldhave difficulty.
Just like Johnny said rightbefore your program started, we
will have difficulty in thislife.
And in relationship to yourquestion, from my generation,
Raz your generation I would tendto say that the women suffered
a lot more than the men, and Ithink it was probably just a

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situational thing from the erathat we came from, where they
were responsible for a number ofdifferent things, not only
theoretically theoreticallycaring for the house, caring for
the children, caring for theirhusbands, multiple job demands,
multiple requirements on theirtime and efforts, and so I saw a
lot of women from ourgeneration go through a lot of

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difficulties balancing things.
Now, from my son's generation,now, I don't know.
I got to tell you I got to tellyou we're not going to go there.

Razz (03:32):
That's a different program .
Oh, that's a different program.
But you know I appreciate CorkGables.
You definitely getting usstarted with a thorough
perspective.
You know introspection, youknow looking within.
You know what you saw in yourgeneration looking without.
I really appreciate it.
I pray you guys have a greatBible study and let's see where

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the Lord takes us here at Lifefor Jesus today.
I appreciate you and Leslie,dear to my heart, have a great
day.

Caller (04:00):
You got it, brother.

Razz (04:01):
Thank you God bless you, bye-bye, 786-313-3115.
Who's going to call next?
Hey, I think I got RichmondHeights.
It is God's Way Radio, mondaythrough Thursday, 7.04, right
here.
Live for Jesus.
Today we're going to betackling suffering in women.
But to get us started, whosuffers most?
Men suffer most or women suffermost?

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We're taking a little surveyhere.
So far we got one for one andthey say that you know what
women suffer most.
Hey, I can't.
I can't take the suspense.
Let's go to richmond heights.
Hey, good morning, richmondheights.
Your life for jesus.
This morning it's 7, 11.
How you doing this morning.

Caller (04:45):
Good morning.
In the morning I am doing well.

Razz (04:48):
Great to hear, great to hear.
So what column do I put youunder?
Do men suffer most or do womensuffer most?

Caller (05:02):
Well, since we're talking about the things of God
and this is not a early station,I have to go spiritual.
And I'm caught in the middlebecause if I go natural, I would
say, oh my God, do women havethe baby?
No, I can't go natural, I haveto go spiritual.
And I'm caught in betweenbecause of the fact that we're
going to suffer some hardshipand we have to do it as a good
soldier.
But I want to go to the pointof suffering without Christ

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soldier.
But I want to go to the pointof suffering without Christ.
And if you going through withoutChrist, men and women alike is
going to suffer equally becauseyou don't have the things of God
in your life.
So I'm going to go that routewhich, in fact, is without
Christ.
You're going to do a level ofsuffering and once you realize
that you don't supposed to dothis without Christ, you're
still going to suffer.

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Now, suffering you're going todo, but you have to do it in God
.
Man and women In God suffer thethings of Christ, because the
sun shine on the rich, the sunshine on the poor, the sun shine
on the just as well as theunjust.
However, we want God to be thatbuffer for us.
We want to suffer in Christwith tears in our eyes, heart

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full of pain and joy at the sametime.
Wow, with God is different.
This is a great subject and wecan go on, but I know them lines
are busy trying to get theirinput in.

Razz (06:19):
Yeah, you know I'm encouraged today by the Live for
Jesus listening family.
I mean, I got somebody on theline already.
The lines are full and wehaven't even gotten started.
We got special guests coming inat 730.
We got a social worker lined upto call us at 8 o'clock in the
morning.
I mean this is going to be todayan opportunity not just to

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learn on the subject hey, praywith me, richmond Heights that
whoever's listening and they'resuffering in pain, today would
be a day of a balm and Gilead.
It would be a day of healing,it would be a day of hope, it
would be a day of restoration.
And going in line with what yousaid, richmond Heights which,
by the way, you made me addanother column, you know you put
me to work this morning.
I had who suffers most, men orwomen, and then you say, well,

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without Christ, they both do.
So I'm going to put you in thecolumn for both.
They both suffer the samewithout Christ.
So you put me to work, butthat's okay, you can redeem
yourself by a quick, missionimpossible prayer Whenever
you're ready.
You got the mic.

Caller (07:17):
Father, God, we thank you God.
Now, God, we embrace thesuffering that you put on us,
because we know God at the endand at the beginning and in the
middle.
It's all good because it's allGod In Jesus' name amen.

Razz (07:34):
Thank you, you have a great day.

Caller (07:36):
Have a great one too.
Bye-bye 786-313-3115.

Razz (07:44):
I got an open line.
I don't know for how long youbetter get in.
Men, women, I got to call them.
Both suffer the same withoutChrist.
What do you say Now?
Don't just copy somebody thatcalled before you.
I want to know what you think.
I want to know your heart.
Today we're going to discussthe subject here in Life for
Jesus.
By the way, monday throughThursdays we're here 7.04 in the

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morning, suffering in Woman,but right now let's go to the
phone lines.
Hey, good morning.
Your Life for Jesus.
And you're number three.
What area of town are youcalling from?

Caller (08:18):
Good morning, Pastor Ross.
I'm calling from.

Razz (08:20):
Bentree.
You know I always love to haveBent Tree checking in, so what
do you have to say this morning,ben Tree?

Caller (08:28):
Well, first of all, thank you.
Thank you for the show and forthe opportunity to just become
part of the body of Christthrough this method.
Alright, very thankful for that, thank you.
You know, when we look atnatural disasters, diseases,

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things of nature that happen,you know there is a
discrimination between the richand the poor and between the
sexes.
The plane's going to go down,it's going to go down, it's
going to take everyone right.
That's just the way it is.
So I think that suffering, weare in a broken world, so we can

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expect to suffer, but the goodthing, the joy and the greatest
hope is that we had Jesus.
Jesus, you know, free.
We have the gift of that tosave us and to focus us on an
eternal eternity.

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You know what's in the future,so we should think about that
with hope and joy, because we'regoing to spend a long time
there.
Okay, it's not a.
Having said that, you knowsociety has lost its identity.
We are in a crisis, an identitycrisis.

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I don't mean to be politicallyincorrect, I really don't care.
I want to say it.
We suffer an identity crisiswhere men and women are being
confused.
Men and women are beingconfused, but then again it just
goes back to focusing on thegreatest gift, which is the

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living Christ, and so I think wejust need to cowboy up and
cowgirl up, grow up and moveforward with hope and joy of
what's to come for us in ChristBen Tree.

Razz (10:33):
I got to say that you covered a lot of ground but
you're leaving us at the pointof hope and at a point of man.
It's difficult.
You know I'm kind of tornbecause I know you're speaking
to the body.
I'm also thinking of thatperson that may be listening
right now and they're gettingbeaten.

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You know they're getting beaten.
There's an overpowering howwould you say it person in their
life and they're trapped.
They're trapped, but I likewhat you're saying.
You know what we have hope inJesus.
I think I'm going to put you onthe column of both.
I think what you're saying,especially from a natural
disasters perspective, bothsuffer.

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Ben Tree, thank you so much foryour call and thank you for
being a part of Life for Jesus.
Okay, god bless.
God bless you.
Thank you.
786-313-3115.
You could get in on this.
Men, women, what do you have tosay?
786-313-3115.
I got Pembroke Pints on theline.
I got an open line.
I got text messages that couldcome in.

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Please, please, give me a call.
Hey, I can't believe it.
Today, man, you people arereally jumping in here.
Pembroke Pines, we're on theline.
I got somebody else.
It's 718.
You're listening to God's WayRadio.

Caller (11:59):
Pembroke Pines, you got the mic.
Yeah, I'm going to have to fallin the double you know both
columns because Jesus said thatin this world you're going to
have tribulation, but I haveovercome and I will give you
peace to make it through.
I just want to read.
I just want to read from Danielum, chapter 3, 23, and I'm
going to just go down.
Okay, so these guys, uh, wereordered to um.

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Shadrach, Meshach and Abednegowere ordered to bow down when
they played music or somethinglike that.
They had to worship some.
Okay, so here's the story.
Here's the end of the story.

Razz (12:31):
I think you could appreciate this From our
generation.
It's like the family stone.
They had to dance to the music.
Yes, anyway.

Lisa (12:41):
I'm sorry I digressed there but it's your fault, I
blame you.
That's a way differentdirection.

Razz (12:46):
I blame you, pembroke Pines, but quickly go ahead.
Please read 3.23, Daniel.

Caller (12:51):
So Shadrach, meshach and Abednego were securely tied and
fell into the roaring flames.
But suddenly Nebuchadnezzarjumped up in amazement and
exclaimed to the advisors Didn'twe tie up three men and throw
them into the furnace?
Yes, your majesty, we certainlydid.

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They replied.
Look.
Nebuchadnezzar shouted I seefour men, unbound, walking
around in the fire, unarmed, andthe fourth looks like God, the
fire, unarmed, and the fourthlooks like God.
And then Nebuchadnezzar came asclose as he could to the door
of the flaming furnace and heshouted Shadrach, meshach,
abednego, servants of the MostHigh God, come out of there,

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come here.
So this is what our pastor saidthis weekend about suffering
that God, these guys lovedsuffering because they were so
close to Jesus.
They had to be ordered to comeout of suffering.
They had to be ordered, theyhad to be commanded come out of

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the suffering.
Because they were so close.

Razz (13:59):
God bless you no no, wait, wait, wait a minute, wait a
minute wait a minute.
I just got to.
I got to know you that areholding on on the line.
Please hold on.
I also have to open the door.
No, no, wait, wait, wait aminute, wait a minute, wait a
minute.
I just got to.
I got to know you that areholding on on the line.
Please hold on.
I also have to open the door.
I have somebody our guest atthe door.
It's 721.
This is the program Life forJesus, monday through Thursday
704.
The subject today is sufferingin women.
Man, what you're saying isPembroke Pines.

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I don't think you even know thechallenge of what you're saying
.
If I'm hearing you correctly,you're saying that for me to
come out of suffering, I can'twish myself out of it, I can't
push myself out of it.
I need divine intervention.
It's like suffering gets to apoint sometimes that not even

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the king of Babylon I mean, ifyou're talking about that, that
was like the power and he saysguys, come out, your suffering
is so intense.
I, with all my power, all mymoney, all my influence, all my
intelligence, I can't break thechain of suffering.
We need God.
Pembroke Pines, I don't thinkyou knew that you were going in

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that route.
I don't know.

Caller (15:06):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Well, I mean, god does
amazing things, but we can't putthem in a box, that's for sure.

Razz (15:13):
Thank you so much, god bless you God bless you.

Caller (15:15):
Jesus, you can have all this world.

Razz (15:32):
Hey, I got to open the door.
I got somebody on the line.
Please hold on, I'll be rightwith you.
You're listening to Life forJesus.
This is going to be excitingtoday.
We have two guests on the wayto the studio.
One guest has arrived already.
We have a social worker goingto call us at eight o'clock this
morning, or we're going to callthem.
The subject this morning issuffering in women.
I have two people that voted,three people that voted on.

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Both suffer the same.
I have one that voted.
Men suffer the most.
I have two that voted womensuffer the most.
But here's the question.
Here's the question what doesthis statistic say the most?
But here's the question.
Here's the question what doesthis statistic say?
What does life say?
Well, let's get in on this callhere.
We have a call coming up.
Hey, good morning, you're livefor Jesus and we have to hear

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from you.
First of all, what column do Iput you under?
Do men suffer the most?
Do women suffer the most?
Or what do you have to say?
Do men suffer the most?
Do women suffer the most?

Caller (16:25):
Or what do you have to say?
Am I on?
This is John from FIU.

Razz (16:28):
John FIU, you're on.
You know, like the lawyer guysays, you're as live as life can
be.

Caller (16:33):
All right, I was on hold .
I wasn't sure.
Okay, well, I got to tell you.
My first gut feeling at firstwas I was going to women because
you know I have four kids and Iwas there for all four births
and I never suffered through thepain that my wife went through
Not like the wife suffered,that's for sure.

Razz (16:52):
I'm glad you're being honest, otherwise you'd be in
trouble.

Caller (16:55):
Yeah, exactly.
So if I didn't say that I'd bein big trouble.
You're right.
But I gotta say, you know, whenI start really looking at what
the Bible says, you know, inLuke 9, 23 says we're called to
pick up our cross daily andreally what we're called to be
is first responders for Jesus.
You know, we're called to puton the Word of God, which is

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like our fire suit.
We're called to go into thefire.
We're called, called to head.
You know, to take sufferinghead-on, but not alone.
We're called to take it head-onwith jesus and we're called to
be those first responders, youknow.
So I think it's it's a littlebit different for a christian
because you know, like, like theuh, I forgot which color said

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it that the color said, hey,we're, we're gonna suffer.

Razz (17:43):
Jesus said it fiu, let me, let me interrupt here a second.
I'm getting I got another callon the line, but let me say I
like no, wait, wait, I like whatyou're saying.
What you're saying is, in asense, we got to deal with the
subject of suffering, but godhas provided solutions in the
believers.
In other words, that christiansneed to do more than just sit
in a pew and go to church.
They need to identify thesuffering around us and then see

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how can we address it.
Anointed by the power of God,but let me say something Finally
.
What column do I put you under?
Because I'm not going to letyou get off that easy.
You got to put your vote.

Caller (18:20):
Well, I got to say, at least in my life I've seen the
women in my life suffer morethan the men in my life.
I got to say, at least in mylife I've seen the women in my
life suffer more than the men inmy life.
I got to say, fortunately, inmy life I've been surrounded
with men that have helped tohold up those women.
But they've gone through somuch and worked so hard and gone

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through so much physically, Iwould say spiritually, probably
mentally, equal opportunitysuffering.
But I would say, physically, atleast in my life I've seen the
women in my life suffer more.

Razz (18:51):
Okay, so that means that we got three for women.
We got three for both thosepeople that put both I don't
know if they were just beingspiritual, biblical or trying to
take an easy way routenoncommittal.
But for the subject today, sofar we only have one that said
that men suffer the most.
The other say women suffer themost.
Hey, fiu, thank you so much foryour call.
God bless you.
And what station are youlistening to?

Caller (19:14):
Oh man, god's Way Radio every day.

Razz (19:16):
Okay, you got that right.
Thank you so much.
God bless you.
Thank you.
Hey, you're listening to God'sWay Radio.
This is Life for Jesus.
We have our guest in the studio.
This is going to be excitingthis morning.
Our subject today is sufferingin women.
How do we deal with it?
How do we respond to it?
How do we provide intervention?
I have Miami Shores on the linegoing to Pequeña, havana.

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Hey, miami Shores, how are youthis morning?

Caller (19:43):
I'm doing well.
Good morning.
I'll keep it short because Ican't wait to hear who you have
in the station and before I giveyou an answer, I think the one
who suffers most is the one wholoves the most.

Razz (19:54):
Wow, wait a minute, we're not going to let you get off
that easy.
That's pretty amazing whatyou're saying, because there's
generalities, there's statisticsthat show, but what you're
saying is the one that loves themost suffers the most.
Now I've got to ask you aquestion.
Isn't it true that sometimes,especially when you think about
moms, I mean, I mean, that'slove but isn't it true that moms

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have a special ability to love?

Caller (20:19):
That's who I had in mind .

Razz (20:20):
Uh-oh, the Holy Spirit's getting ahead of us.
Let me not say anything.
Miami Shores, you got the mic.

Caller (20:35):
Yes, I better just vote because otherwise I'm going to
just.
But yeah, I think women,especially in my life and my
experience, there's nocompetition.
Women suffer more.
I don't know, they're builtdifferent.
Actually, I heard a wise pastorshare a teaching that women are
, they're just, they have anability to feel more than men.
In fact, I love an illustrationthat he gave once when God

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created Eve out of Adam's side.
You know, when Adam woke up hesaid you know what I feel?
I feel, wait, I don't feel.

Razz (21:12):
Once that rip came out, men were kind of like a lot
different.

Caller (21:16):
Right.

Razz (21:17):
I laugh.
I hate to admit it.
I have two ladies in the studio.
I could get in trouble.
But it's true that sometimesmen they're like this, like the
mind is gone, they're not downto earth, they don't realize all
the ramifications of acircumstance, a situation.
I know my wife, now with theLord, she sometimes had that
ability that I didn't have.

(21:38):
Yeah, so Miami Shores.
So I put your vote for women.
Anything else?
You want to say Closingstatements?
Or if you want to say a MissionImpossible prayer, five, ten
seconds, you got the mic closingstatements or, if you want to
say, a mission impossible prayerfive, 10 seconds.

Caller (21:53):
You got the mic.
Lord, I thank you for the wayyou made us.
And, lord, even though the morewe love sometimes, the more we
hurt, you're calling us to love,so let us do it, let us love
with all our might, in Jesusname, amen.

Razz (22:09):
Now think, though, my brother, you're one of those
exceptions.
There are men that areexceptional, that they do have
the ability of.
I don't know if maybe they'vebeen close to Eve enough.
You know, you, in your case,Angeline, that hey, anyway,
enough said.
God bless you.
I love you.
God bless you.
Hey, you're listening to God'sWay radio.

(22:36):
This is the program life forjesus.
It's 7 29.
I'm pressed with time here.
I gotta get two headphones out.
I got the the mic on, I got thestudio on, I got the controls
out, but I got one call.
I gotta get this call.
Hey, good morning, you're lifefor jesus, hello hi how are you?
good hey, you're seven old and Ican't wait to hear what you
have to say about this subject.
Who suffers the most, yourbrothers or you, as the sister?

Caller (23:01):
I think it's women mostly.

Razz (23:05):
You are a little bit ahead of your time.
I don't know how this ishappening.
I don't know if it's yourmother's influence in you.
But go ahead, continue.
What else do you want to say?

Caller (23:18):
Because my mom cries more than my dad.

Razz (23:21):
Oh, you're very you're observant.
I would agree with that.
Your dad is a lot like his mom.
You know they're very strong.
Hey, anything else you want tosay today, or you want to pray?

Caller (23:35):
I'll pray.

Razz (23:36):
Okay, whenever you're ready.

Caller (23:39):
Lord, thank you for this day, thank you that this time
you got to be with you, thankyou that we got to sometimes
suffer and you sometimes suffer,and I pray that we would soon
be in your house.

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Amen.

Razz (24:00):
Amen.
You know your prayer was soinsightful that we sometimes we
have to suffer, and that Godsometimes suffer.
He suffered at the cross.
Thank you so much for your call.
You definitely earned a trip toGrandpa's house.
We got some treats for you,okay.

Caller (24:15):
Okay.

Razz (24:17):
Anybody else going to talk today?

Caller (24:19):
Yes, okay.

Razz (24:22):
Good morning, good morning .
Good morning, Good morning.
Hey, buddy, how are you?
I saw a show yesterday withDavid and Goliath.
I mean, David did a good job.
Were you at that show?
Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
What do you want to say today?

Caller (24:37):
I wanted to say that women mostly suffer because they
can have pregnancies more thanone time.
My mom is going to have fourpregnancies.

Razz (24:54):
Luke, you are an amazing kid.
You're an amazing kid, that'sright.
You're focusing on pregnancyand that is a time of suffering
for ladies, for sure.
Anything else you want to say,or do you want to pray?

Caller (25:07):
There's two more things I want to say, and then I want
to pray.

Razz (25:10):
Okay.

Caller (25:11):
But I think who suffers the most is Jesus.

Razz (25:17):
You're right about that.

Caller (25:19):
Yeah, because he loved us so much that he did that for
us.

Razz (25:23):
Wow, luke, luke, you got to go to Grandpa's house.
You got two treats, okay.

Caller (25:27):
Okay, and the second thing I wanted to say is you're
the best driver.

Razz (25:32):
Oh, thank you, Luke.
I appreciate that.
Who drives you to school today?

Caller (25:37):
Dada.

Razz (25:39):
How's Dada driving today?
Is he driving good?

Caller (25:42):
Yeah.

Razz (25:43):
All right, are you happy he's back home?

Caller (25:47):
Yeah.

Razz (25:48):
Did you miss him?

Caller (25:48):
Yeah Can you miss him.
Yeah, can I pray now?

Razz (25:52):
Okay, sure, whenever you're ready.

Caller (25:55):
God, pray for this day.
Pray that everybody would stopsuffering and we know that
everybody suffers and that wewould have a good day today.
Amen.

Razz (26:16):
Amen, amen.
Anybody else that wants to talk?
Yes.
Okay, good morning.
Good morning, good morning.
Good morning.
How are you big guy?
I'm good.
I went to a show yesterday.
Somebody got a lot of trophies,huh.
Yeah.
That's very special.

Caller (26:35):
Were you expecting them?
Like, no, like the first one, Imean the last one not as much.

Razz (26:41):
Wow, that means God has his hand on you.
Huh, mm-hmm, keep it up, keepit up.
What do you want to say thismorning?

Caller (26:50):
keep it up.
What do you want to say thismorning?
I think ladies suffer the mostbecause that they have just like
bigger love and stuff and yeah.

Razz (27:01):
That's so good.
That's so good.
Hey, anything else you want tosay?
Or do you want to pray?
I'll pray.
Okay, whenever you're ready.

Caller (27:09):
Thank you for this time.
I pray that we may have a goodday and that you may do our will
today.
In Jesus' name, I pray amen.

Razz (27:17):
Amen.
Thank you for your call.
I'm a person who wants to talk.
Oh, wow good, this is a goodtreat, Good morning.
Good morning.

Caller (27:25):
Hey, good morning Pop.
How are?

Razz (27:26):
you doing, hey, doing great Better.
Now it's not every day.
We get senior pastor,missionary from Kenya, dad of
three, four, on the oven,husband to a great wife.
And what do you want to saythis morning?

Caller (27:39):
So in Kenya, pastor Ken Graves.
He shared it was, I believe,maybe six sessions and he went
through Genesis 1 through 3.
Wow, and it's a master class onthe beginning of the book of
Genesis.
So he was able to sharebiblically how women suffer more
than men and some of the pointshe made was that God created

(28:00):
women with big feelings and Godcreated men with smaller
feelings.
God created men with biggermuscles, god created women with
smaller muscles.
Generally speaking, you have acouple outliers out there, but
look at the billions of humanbeings throughout history.
General speaking, the ladiesfeel a lot more and the men feel

(28:21):
a lot less and the men are madeto protect, to care, to work
hard, and that's our curse.
And then, just for the sake oftime, one of the other things he
mentioned is you have the womanwho Christ forgave and she's so
grateful.
She loves much, she forgivesmuch, she washes Jesus with her
tears and her hair.
And Ken jokingly said many menare forgiven in Scripture.

(28:45):
None of them come to washJesus' feet with their tears and
their beards.
None of them come to washJesus' feet with their tears and
their beards.
So you just see that women,they feel much more.
And when God separated Eve outof Adam.
It says rib, but it's more soside how God took a being
created in His image and hebelieves he tore him in half and

(29:08):
he took all those feminineaspects of our God and then he
put them in half.
And he took all those feminineaspects of our God and then he
put them in Eve and he leftthose masculine aspects, the
fatherly aspects, in Adam.
So, biblically speaking andlooking at our world today, I do
believe also that it's theladies that suffer more and
that's why, even more so,biblical men should be strong,

(29:29):
should be wise, should be strongin the things of the Lord.
That way we can protect notonly the women within our own
homes, but we can protect anyladies that God would bring into
our care and in our circle.

Razz (29:42):
Well, let me tell you you're at the right point here.
We're actually six minutesbehind schedule.
I have the guests patientlywaiting in the studio, but
that's to say that yourparticipation this morning is so
welcome and you have theworld's perspective, and the
world goes in differentdirections.
The statistics, they're in linewith what you're saying,

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obviously not just from abiblical, foundational
perspective, but just from thesymptomatic expressions of the
pain, the abuse, the sufferingin women.
You made your Heavenly Fatherproud, you made your earthly
father very proud and if youwant to close us in a quick
prayer, man, we would welcomethat Whenever you're ready.
You got the mic.

Caller (30:27):
Lord, we just pray that you'd help us to be men after
your own heart and you'd helpthe ladies to be ladies after
your own heart.
Lord so you can see and blessthe radio segment.
Bless lisa, bless pop jesusname.
We pray amen amen, amen.

Razz (30:40):
Thank you, sir, love you okay, love you pop 786-313-3115.
I got somebody on the line.
I'm gonna take the uh, what tosay?
The liberty that because you,you keep good count, you're
going to forgive me.
But I got to put everything onhold.
I got to put some music.
I have my guests sitting herein the studio.
I got to set them up.
I got to get some headphonesthere ready for them.

(31:00):
So you're listening to God'sWay Radio.
This is the program live forJesus.
It's 737.
We want to get you to heaven.
Listen.
The subject today is sufferingin woman.
What does the bible say aboutthat?
What do people that have gonethrough suffering say about that
?
And at eight o'clock we have asocial worker that's going to
call and give us some, someinformation.

(31:20):
I tried to get a criminologistbut I couldn't get it early
enough.
But listen, this program we'reonly just beginning.
It's like I once was lost, butnow I'm found.

Caller (31:54):
Was blind, but now I see I do not deserve it.
I'm too far from worth it.
You're the only one who evercould be perfect.
Every day I've all shone, butyou still say I'm yours.
What a beautiful night.

(32:15):
You say, oh God, it's right onmy head, it's just in my eyes,
cause you came around, picked meoff the ground, was lost, but
now I'm found.
Amazing is how she doessomething.

(32:41):
I sit down and say I once waslost, but now I'm found Was
blind, but now I see the magicthat is in this house.

Razz (33:01):
We've seen it all.
It's right here.
I once was lost, but now I'msent, I'm better, but now I see

(33:28):
we have West Miami, patientlywaiting.
West Miami, you get the prizetoday.
I was in an activity you werethere yesterday where the guys
and the girls, the students, gotsome prizes, some trophies.
Well, let's get to West Miamihere.
Good morning, good morning.

Caller (33:46):
Good morning sir how are you, I'm well man, how are?

Razz (33:50):
you.
I'm going 1,000 miles per hour.
They're actually stretching me.
Today.
I had to set up the headphones,I had to get the mic, we have
our guests in the studio andquickly it's 7.40.
We've got to get started.
But before we continue, whatdoes West Miami want to say?

Caller (34:06):
Well, I guess the question is who suffers more?
And I've got to tell you whatcame to my mind immediately is
who's worth it suffering.

Razz (34:16):
Leave it to the accountant to come from a different angle.

Caller (34:19):
You know, when I get a cold it's like the plague.
I am really bad.
If you ask my wife, she's likeoh, it's like a baby.
When I get sick, I'm my every,you know I basically I break
down and fall apart.

Razz (34:31):
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
You're throwing a curveball atme.
Are you saying that because menare worse at suffering, they
suffer the most, or does?

Caller (34:42):
the wife suffer saying when is this baby ever going to
get it?

Razz (34:44):
That's just I don't know, that's just me.
I don't know where you'recoming from, but identify
yourself quickly here.

Caller (34:53):
Meanwhile, let me tell you my wife, I I watched her go
through.
I think she was in labor I wantto say 36 broke the 40 hours,
and like she's still talking andall that, and and I'm like man,
I'm gonna.
You know, if I, if Iexperienced that pain for five
minutes, I'd be like, all right,I'm out, I'm out, I'm out, I'm
out yeah, yeah.

Razz (35:08):
well listen, I don't mean to rush you, but I gotta rush
you today.
I got the two guests in thestudio.
We got to jump in on theirparticipation, but before I let
you go, west Miami, what do youwant to say about the subject
suffering in women?

Caller (35:19):
You got the mic part of the fall of man.
That was one thing that God wasvery specific to give the woman
.
She suffers, I think, morebecause she's got to deal with
me first of all, but second, youknow, pregnancy is a big deal

(35:40):
and really they are so much moreintimate and in tune with that
arena that they take things moreto heart and I think that that
causes them to suffer morebecause they have so much more
compassion At least my wife hasso much more compassion than I
do.

Razz (35:59):
Amazing, amazing.
Hey, good participation.
I like that Intimate and intune.
That's good stuff.
West Miami, west Miami.
God bless you.
And Sophia did good singingyesterday.

Caller (36:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she did.
She did real well.
She's listening, Baby, I loveyou, super proud of you.

Razz (36:14):
Right.
Did she get that from her momor dad?

Caller (36:17):
Definitely her mom.
She did not get it from me.

Razz (36:20):
You keep figures.
I don't know about the tune.
Hey, god bless you, man, I loveyou.
Thank you All right, bye-bye.
God's Way Radio 104.7 FM.
You could also download thephone app.

(36:41):
You go to Apple Android Store,you type in God's Way Radio,
install the app and foie gata.
Now you got the ministry.
You could use it with you.
Listen, we have our specialguests in the studio today.
They're ready to go.
Let me say good morning to them.
Let me get the things here setup.
Hey, good morning, good morning.
Can you speak a little bitcloser to the mic?
I don't know if I heard you.
Good morning, okay, now we gotyou.

(37:06):
So thank you so much for comingin.
We have the other guests.
You could also say good morning, good morning, thank you.
Good to have you with us.
And so you know I met you Imean how many years ago.
And it's funny because in ourfirst meeting it was associated
with your story about your mom'sbout with cancer.

Lisa (37:17):
Yes.

Razz (37:17):
And talk about suffering.

Lisa (37:19):
Yes, exactly that was 28 years ago, Pastor Raz.

Razz (37:22):
My goodness, I think that's one of the reasons that
women also suffer better.
They're better at keeping trackof things you know us guys we
forget, but good to have you.
Good morning, good to have youin the studio.
You're also the podcaster hostfor Faith and Friends.
Faith with Friends Faith withFriends, and how long has that
been going?

Lisa (37:38):
That's been two years running.

Razz (37:40):
Wow, so tell us a little bit about that.
I know that it got startedduring COVID.

Lisa (37:43):
It got started during COVID where my prayer group and
I would go on Zoom and we wouldmeet up to pray and encourage
each other and read God's wordand after every call we would
all say we wish other people hadthis.

Tatiana (37:55):
Like.

Lisa (37:55):
I feel bad for the people that don't have a community of
believers that can help them,and so the Lord just planted in
my heart.
I delayed a year, and then oneday he told me I was listening
to another podcast and he saidthey're not ashamed to talk
about their stuff, but you'reashamed to talk about me.
And so, november 11th, westarted.
We have almost 10,000 downloads.

Razz (38:17):
Yes.

Lisa (38:20):
And it's just me and my friends who love the Lord, and
we come to talk about Jesus.

Razz (38:22):
So excellent, so excellent and so good to have you here in
the studio this morning.
And so, as you have Faith WithFriends, that podcast, tell us a
little bit of the results thatyou've seen.
You know, here you have beenfaithful in getting the word of
God out.
You know planting the seeds and10,000 downloads.

Lisa (38:43):
I don't know how many continents you've been able to
get response from, I want to sayover 52.
52 continents, 52 countries.
It's amazing.
I'm always like who are thesepeople?
And I have to Google thecountry sometimes and look it up
and say I don't even know whereit is, because it just amazes
me how God uses our obedience toreach people.

Razz (39:02):
You know, our subject today is suffering in a woman,
and so we're getting to know youas our guest and we're seeing
how suffering will come.
But it has a lot to do withwhat we do with that suffering.
And in your case, what you'vedone is you've taken your
suffering and in return, whatyou've done is just get busy
about spreading the word of God.

(39:22):
So tell us a little bit aboutin the topics that you cover in
your podcast.
What kind of response have youseen from the listeners, the
participants, the people thatlisten?
Anything you want to say aboutthat?

Lisa (39:34):
Well, I mean, your friends are always going to support you
, right?
So you can't really trust them,to be honest, when you have a
good show.
But when you get a message fromsomebody on the other side of
the world that says I'm goingthrough a divorce and I was
encouraged today, or you hearmessages back, that's what's
really encouraging.

Razz (39:52):
Great.
So now let's jump into thesubject, and before we go on, I
want to speak to our other guest, that's here today, my
beautiful tatiana thank you forcoming in this morning you know.
Thank you for having how longhave you been friends?
22 years 25 28, 28 oh yes, 28,yes, oh, yes, 28.

Tatiana (40:12):
Yes because your mother yeah.
We were already friends.

Razz (40:14):
Excellent, excellent, and so your friendship kind of
sparks around suffering, doesn'tit?

Lisa (40:19):
It sure does it.
Sure does I have to tell thisquick story.
I met Tatiana at a politicalevent Thanksgiving, and she
overheard me telling somebodythat I was going to be praying
for my mom the next day and shegot my phone number and called
me and said I heard you prayingfor your mom, can I come?
And I'll never forget that.

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And we ended up becomingfriends.
She was there for me through mymother's death and then I was
able to be with her and hersisters when her mother passed
away.
But we really do.

Razz (40:52):
Her mom and her dad passed away.
Yes, but we really do.

Lisa (40:53):
Her mom and her dad.
Yeah, yes, exactly, but Iremember her daughter.
One day, tatiana was in thehospital and her daughter.
I said, ale, tell me the truth.
Did you read all of ourmessages?
And she shook her head yes, andI go.
Now.
You know I'm weird and Iremember her daughter.
I'll never forget this saidthat I have a friendship as
supportive and loving as my momand you's friendship is
wonderful, wonderful, yeah.

Razz (41:14):
And so how does that?
What do you attribute thatfriendship?
But you were just at the righttime at the right place.
You know some people say, oh,we just, we just had the
chemistry, the energy.
Or can you, on this program,life for Jesus credit, maybe
where friendships really comefrom, that address the
sufferings that are going tocome in life?

Tatiana (41:33):
Absolutely.
I think it's always a God thing.
I think God orchestrates ourfriendships, our relationships,
our lives, and because of thatwe're blessed.
We're blessed that we have aHeavenly Father that just gives
us a support group, whether it'schurch or outside of church,
but he just gathers everyonethat loves him together and

(41:55):
those that are coming to knowhim.
He just brings people alongsidethat can join in their journey
and their walk with them786-313-3115.

Razz (42:06):
That's the phone number you can call.
Thank you so much for that,because I got a belief.
I prayed about the program.
I'm sure you as well.
One of the things I love aboutradio is like we're here, we see
the mics, we see everything infront of us, but we don't see
the people that are listening.
We have no idea who.
By dovetailing on what you justsaid the design of God, that

(42:28):
maybe somebody, maybe you justtune into this radio station,
maybe you were channel surfing,maybe Alexa you gave Alexa an
order and Alexa put God's WayRadio on there.
Because, at the end of the day,god is ultimately in control.
That you're suffering andyou're hurting and you need a
friend.
And maybe you've been burnt bythe friends of this world that
come at you as long as they canget something from you, and then

(42:50):
, when you're dry and you got nomore to give and you need a
friend, that's when they justdrop you and they leave you and
they go someplace else.
So what you're saying is thatGod is in control, that no
matter how much we're suffering,god will orchestrate the
situations in our lives thatsomeone can overhear.
Somebody say man, I got a sickmom and I'm going to tend to her

(43:12):
and that person, sparked by thespirit of God, would say you
know, god is there in spirit,but I'm going to be a
representation of God there,kind of like in body.
You know, in the flesh, and youknow sometimes I think
Christians are very spiritualbut they miss out, that they're
late or they don't come at all.
But anyway, to get into thesubject, that they're late or

(43:32):
they don't come at all, butanyway, to get into the subject
suffering in women, either oneof you ladies, what would you
have to say about that?
I know you've prepared, I knowyou've prayed.
I've got to keep an eye on theclock here, because at 8 o'clock
I'm going to call or a socialworker is going to call just to
give us that perspective ofsomeone that works with families
, and I don't know if they wantto say their name or not.
You know, lisa, we use yourname because you got that

(43:56):
podcast with Faith with Friends.
I was going to have you remainin anonymity, but maybe in
another program we would,because you know, sometimes we
can't speak about our sufferingsbecause it's too early.
You know there's still too muchgoing on.
But it's amazing how sometimesyou look at people and you have
no idea what their life is orwhat they're going through.

(44:17):
But, miss Lisa, to get usstarted, when it has to do with
suffering in women, what wouldyou have to say about that
subject this morning?

Lisa (44:25):
Well, I would say, if you think you're suffering today and
you're the only one suffering,like you said, from the outside
we all look like we're doinggreat but, everybody has burdens
, everybody has some sufferingin their lives and I think it's
important to remember that Goddoesn't leave us, he doesn't
forsake us.
But sometimes when we'resuffering, we feel the most
alone because you're surroundedwith sadness or darkness.

(44:46):
I think of that scripture thatsays we go from glory to glory,
and Tatiana and I always teaseour cup is not half empty and
it's not full.
Our cup as believers overflowsBecause, at the end of the day,
it's not because of the goodtimes, it's because of the
presence of God through times ofreal suffering and real pain,
and we all have it.

Razz (45:07):
I got to stop you a second .
I hate to interrupt thatthought, but that's explosive.
I got to stop you a second.
I hate to interrupt that thought, but that's explosive.
You know the world would sayhalf full, half empty.
You know, being negative, beingpositive, You're saying that
there's another perspective as afollower of Jesus, and so for
the person that's listening,that's suffering.
Let me stop a second here andkind of like define suffering,

(45:33):
An experience or somethingthat's unpleasant, Suffering To
be affected or subject to anillness, an ailment.
They give the example right Hisdaughter suffered from
agoraphobia.
You know there's so manysicknesses, there's so many
diseases.
You know people are afraid ofleaving their house.

(45:57):
You know, they're confined totheir house.
But what you're saying is soimportant.
You know my cup is half full,my cup is half empty.
Repeat what did you say aboutoverflow?
I mean, expand a little bit onthat, please, yeah our cup as
believers overflows.

Lisa (46:11):
We have access to every gift of the Spirit.
We have access to God Himselfthrough prayer.
We have access to otherbelievers that walk through life
.
So it's a decision that youmake when you're suffering to
reach out to a friend for help.
We have a mutual friend,jeanette, who always talks about
okay, but let's remove theemotion.
Remove the emotion for a minutewhat's really happening.

(46:33):
And sometimes it's just assimple as that, like Tatiana
didn't call me back last night.
Now I'm upset and I'm sad andnow my mind is going crazy.
But when I take the emotionaway from it, what happened?
Well, maybe she was cookingdinner and she forgot.
Like, sometimes, women, ourminds are busy all the time,
most of us and so sometimes it'sself-inflicted, self-inflicted

(46:54):
suffering.
And you know, all sufferingcomes from the fall, right,
everything we're going throughwhether I'm hurt because I hurt
myself, because of a baddecision, or somebody else hurt
me, or it's sickness or deathit's all from the fall.
So the closer we get to Jesus,the less impact that suffering
will have on us and then we canturn that suffering into growth

(47:18):
and change in our lives to beand look more like Jesus.

Razz (47:22):
I think we're going to take a little break.
I think we're going to comeback.
I think I want to put somemusic and let that kind of like
simmer, that all suffering comesfrom sin and that what you're
saying and before I let you goon this thought here what you're
saying is that in the midst ofsuffering, in the valley of
suffering, in the valley ofshadow of death, it's not the

(47:42):
suffering that overpowers, it'snot the suffering that's in
control.
What you're saying is that Godis in control, but for God to be
in control, what you're sayingis there's some human
responsibility of how I respond,how a woman, how you listening
right now, how you would respondto suffering.
You've got to come again withthat, because that you know.

(48:03):
Are you saying that I have some?
Are you saying that I'm notpowerless?
Are you saying that a personthat's suffering is not
powerless?
I mean, expand on that a littlebit, please.

Lisa (48:12):
I mean, I think we have access to prayer where we can
process these things right.
You can talk to God about itand I know it always changes the
way that you feel, the way thatyou view things, when you go to
God and say I'm really hurtbecause of this, having had
cancer, having to process thatbefore the Lord, am I going to
be okay?
Process that before the Lord,am I going to be okay?
Am I going to live?
Am I going to die?
And we're all going to die.

(48:33):
I have bad news for you.
Like my pastor always says, 10out of 10, we're all leaving,
some of us earlier than weplanned, but that suffering,
taking it to God, even yourchildhood, whatever experiences
you had, whatever traumas you'veexperienced, taking it to God,
processing it to God and thenasking him show me and teach me
how I can grow through this.

Razz (48:54):
This is Life for Jesus.
Monday through Thursday, 7 or 4in the morning, we're here.
The subject today is sufferingin women.
We have two guests in thestudio.
You just said something aboutcancer, which means that you had
cancer.
You suffered through that.
When we come back, we're goingto talk a little bit more about

(49:25):
that.
Stay tuned, call somebody, tellthem to tune in 104.7 FM God's
Way Radio.
Who stands in the fire besideme?
He roars like a lion.

Caller (49:37):
He bled as the lamb.
He carries my healing in Hishands.
Jesus, there is a name I callin times of trouble.
There is a song that comfortsin the night.

(50:04):
There is a voice that calms astorm that rages.
He is Jesus.
Jesus who walks on the waters,who speaks to the sea, who

(50:24):
stands in the fire beside me.
He roars like a lion.
He lay as a lamb.
He carries my healing in Hishands.
Jesus, messiah, my Savior,there is power in your name.

(51:01):
You're my rocket, my redeemer.
There is power in your name, inyour name.
You walk on the waters, youspeak to the sea, you stand in

(51:28):
the fire beside me.

Razz (51:40):
You roar like a lion, you carry my healing in your hands,
you walk on the waters, youspeak to the sea.
Hey, you're listening to Lifefor Jesus.
Our program today is onsuffering in women.
We have two guests in thestudio today.
It's 7.58.
In a few minutes we're going tospeak to one of our social

(52:04):
workers that we know and they'regoing to give us a little bit
of information on suffering.
But before we do that, let'sget back to our guest.
Ms Lisa, you mentionedsomething about cancer and one
of the research notes that I gotwas that one of the things that
contributes to suffering isillness.
Here you have a healthy body,you have life, you have dreams,

(52:28):
you have plans and all of asudden you get this side block
kind of crash that says, hey,your body's in trouble, so you
were diagnosed with cancer.

Lisa (52:38):
Yes, I was diagnosed with cancer at 39, and I have to say
I'm what you call a reluctantministry, because the Lord did,
through that cancer, give me aministry to other people that
are sick.
Through that cancer, give me aministry to other people that
are sick, but that's definitelynot the ministry that I wanted
or desired.
But I can clearly see now thatthat is something that he had

(53:00):
for me Because, as going throughit, the Bible says you comfort
those with my comfort thatyou've received.
And so when you go throughsomething like that and God
carries you through and youcompletely lean in on him, then
you're able to show others theway through it right.
You're able to encourage others.
And suffering is a beautifulthing because suffering usually

(53:23):
will open people's heart andthey're more willing to hear you
, to pray with you.
Somebody who doesn't want tohear about God with a diagnosis
like that?
The fear of God gets them, andnow, all of a sudden, they're
very open to whatever you wantto talk to them about.
It's beautiful.

Razz (53:37):
So here you are, a mom, a wife, young kids you know,
active, participant in ourcommunity, many friends, and
they tell you have cancer To theperson that's listening, how do
you describe that suffering?
I mean, what is the pain, whatis the agony that comes in, what
is the despair?

(53:57):
Can you speak on that?

Lisa (53:59):
Well, it's a wall of fear that hits you immediately and,
all of the sudden, the Christianease of I'm ready to go when
you are Lord and you'reconfronted with I'm not going to
be here for my kid's wedding.
I'm not going to be here for mykid's wedding.
I'm not going to be here for mykid's graduation.
What's going to happen to me?
And the enemy, the spiritualaspect, comes in and the enemy

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will whisper in your ear.
You're going to die alone.
You're going to be in pain, butthat's where it's important to
write God's word in your heart,because suffering is going to
come If you're alive you'regoing to experience suffering.
So, because suffering is goingto come, if you're alive, you're
going to experience suffering.
So I would say now, if you'renot suffering, write God's word
in your heart, because that isyour tool and your weapon to
combat it.

Razz (54:41):
We'll be back.
We have a little bit of waterthere for you.
Thank you, shifting gears here.
A second, tatiana.
What would you have to say tothe lady that maybe the
statistics that I was looking atit's like one out of three
women suffer and suffering a lotof times comes from a
relationship with a person?
You know a person.

(55:01):
You know whether it be in themarriage category, whether you
are not married.
What would you say to the ladythat's listening that right now
she's suffering?
She's suffering because ofverbal abuse, because of
physical abuse, because ofemotional abuse.
First of all, maybe I should askyou, and both of you could

(55:24):
answer is that a reality?
Or is that just something thatwe see in the movies?
Is it just something good forplays and drama and screen?
Or is it a reality in our worldthat that woman that the
statistics show they suffer most, they suffer most because
there's an abusive male in theirlife that's just taking
advantage?
What do you have to say aboutthat?
Is that a reality in our worldor not?

(55:44):
I mean your experience, yourfriends, people that you know.
Either one of you can speak onthe subject.
You got the mic.

Tatiana (55:50):
Yes, well, obviously it is very real, and I just want
to say that if there's anybodyin a physical abuse you know,
reach out to some kind of localorganization that can help you
of suffering.
Absolutely the most importantthing during my experience has

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been to draw near to God Atfirst.
You want to try to resolve it,you want to try to get some kind
of advice or suggestions fromyour friends, and the suffering
is so, especially when let metalk about rejection, suffering
is so especially when let metalk about rejection Like that
suffering of rejection in arelationship that just turns

(56:38):
your life upside down, and itturns and it just makes your
heart and you go through a lotof.
You go first through anger.
You go first through, maybe,fear of losing the family, fear
of losing everything that you'veworked so hard, whether it's a
long-term marriage or even a fewyears.

(56:59):
You just pour all of your heartand all of your life into this
one person and I'm speaking fromthat experience.
And that really just breaksyour heart.
But God is close to the brokenheart it says in the Bible.
So I turned to friends, I turnedto family and ultimately God

(57:25):
was the one who just kind ofmended my heart.
He mended my wounds.
And there's going to besuffering and I've gone through
not only relationship sufferingbut I've gone through physical
suffering and again Jesus wasthere and he's the one who kind

(57:45):
of just held me in his armsthrough that physical suffering
and his word.
And I remember, as I was justtelling you that I remember Isel
, your wife, giving me thePsalms, a little book just on
the Psalms, and how, when we'resuffering, our heart is broken,

(58:07):
our life is turned upside down,whether it's a relationship,
whether it's a physical, whetherit's maybe even persecution.
You know there's stillpersecution in this world.
So when we turn to the Psalms,when we turn to God's Word, it
just helps us, give us thatwe're not alone, that we're not

(58:27):
alone, that he never leaves us,that he never forsakes us, that
when you're broken, come to me,because I am the healer.
I heal the wounds of yourbroken heart, of your mind, of
things of the past, and I canset you on a firm foundation
when your foundation has beenbroken.

(58:47):
So that is just so importantand so necessary and so vital.
Yeah, it's vital because we'regoing to go through suffering
and I was just hearing I'm goingto be a grandmother, yeah, this
year, and I'm going to be agrandmother of a daughter, of a
woman, of a, of a female, of adaughter, and I just can't and I

(59:08):
think about you know, I want toprepare her heart.
From the beginning I've beenpraying for her even before
she's born, because women dosuffer more and we all suffer.
We all suffer because God saysthere will be trouble in this.
So I want to be preparing thatyoung heart for those things
that she's going to face.

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And her parents are going togive her a wonderful education,
a wonderful home, things, andthat's great.
But suffering is going to comeand when it does, I want to be
that person that has built upthat faith in her, that has
shown her look, when there issuffering, there's one person

(59:52):
you can turn to and that's Jesus.

Razz (59:54):
You know there's so much to what you have said.
You know you said you turned toGod and then you said you
turned to God's Word.
And then you mentioned howYissel gave you that little
booklet on the Psalms.
You know that for you,listening, maybe you think about
the Bible and you see this book, 66 books actually compiled
into one, and you say where do Istart?
And to be able to start in themiddle, you know there's no

(01:00:14):
coincidence that the book ofPsalms is close to the middle of
the Bible.
It's kind of like the heart wewere talking about it a little
while ago how the Psalms arewritten by human beings that are
going through sufferings and intheir moment of suffering.
Something else that youmentioned, tatiana, is man turn
to God.
You know, seek God, seek theLord.
You know, on average, nearly 20people per minute are

(01:00:38):
physically abused by an intimatepartner in the United States
during one year.
That equates to 10 million womenand men.
And, to make it more specific,one out of every four women
experience severe intimatepartner physical violence, you

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know?
So we're here in one minute andpraise God we got air
conditioning.
I don't know what you think,but I think these studios are.
You know, this is like a workof God.
How.
God put all of this together.
But in our safety, welfare here, atmosphere, man, what does it
say?
Here, 20 people right now arebeing abused and going through
suffering.
I'm gonna play a little bit ofmusic.

(01:01:22):
I'm gonna be right back.
We are gonna try to secure thephone call of a social worker
just to continue to build onthis subject that.
You know, it's not just a groupof christians that got together.
We're not just trying to have asubject for a radio program,
but we're using a radio programto address a need and a subject
in our society and hoping thatGod breathes life and response

(01:01:42):
and throws what do they callthat, that lifeline, to someone
that's listening.
Because one of the beautifulthings about our guests in our
studio is that you've been there, you've been through it and
you've come through the otherside.
You know, and I can see Jesusin you.
You know we're able to smileand laugh and so don't touch
that dial, we're going to beright back.

(01:02:03):
You're listening to God's WayRadio, live for Jesus.
Monday through Thursday 7.04 inthe morning.
I think I ran out of time so wecan't do that.
Let me see how I can do this.
Give me a second here.
Yes, oh, please Great.

Lisa (01:02:19):
Tatiana, I just want to say one thing.
This is why I love Tatiananumber one Because, tatiana, you
know it's easy for me to talkabout cancer and suffering,
because I survived cancer, right, tatiana?
She talks about herrelationship and the
difficulties that she had.
She was almost three years,almost completely homebound

(01:02:40):
Sickness.

Razz (01:02:41):
Yeah, she had sickness.
Her health was totally impaired.

Lisa (01:02:43):
Yes, but her marriage was not restored and we prayed for
that, we trusted, we believedfor that.
But God had better plans forher, and so I think that's
important to say, because it'svery easy for people who've gone
through suffering to sit on aradio station and saying but God
is good.
Well, tatiana didn't get whather heart's desire was, and yet
God is good.

Razz (01:03:03):
You know I got to address that because again as a pastor,
I've been through it.
I wish yours was the first oneand the only one, and what.
I mean by that is godly womenthat pray for a change in their
husband or to be equalopportunity employers here.
Godly men that pray for theirwife to come around, and

(01:03:23):
sometimes they don't, becauseGod gives freedom to choose.
You know, god gives freedom tochoose.
Are the prayers not answered?
Yes, they are, but they're justanswered beyond the scope of
what we think.
Right.
Because God is able to allow hisson to go to the cross the
death but then there's life,there's resurrection.

(01:03:46):
You know, that's an amazing,but I like the fact that you
bring that up.
I got some music cued.
You could continue to talk.
I don't want to be rude.
You know I'm listening but I'mnot looking at you.
But I'm also have to dial the,the social worker that we have
online.
But I would like either one ofyou to expound a little bit more
on that to the person that'slistening that maybe here's what
they're saying.
Yeah, I did that.

(01:04:06):
I did that god thing, I didthat bible thing, I did that
prayer thing.
I did that Bible thing, I didthat prayer thing and you know
what?
My life just fell apart.
You know, I wrecked, I hit thewall and maybe you're still
suffering because God has youlistening right now, because
there's more to the story thatyou need to know.
So either one of you you couldpick up there.
What is it like when you prayand it doesn't look like your

(01:04:30):
prayers are going to be answeredthe way you thought they were
going to be answered?
What is that like?
How do you deal with thatsuffering?

Tatiana (01:04:36):
Well, I think that, and I prayed for a very long time
and I tried to make thismarriage work.
I saw many counselors, manyChristian counselors.
I did everything.
But I just wonder, I think thatsometimes, as Christians, we
want to work, we want to writeout how our story is going to

(01:05:02):
end, and especially me, I'm sucha, you know, I want everything
to end beautifully, like a fairytale, but you know, I just
can't put my marriage oranything above Jesus and above
what he desires for my life, andso much so.
But in my experience, it wasgreat because I continued to

(01:05:24):
pray and although I saw it notgoing the direction that I
wanted, I was just still.
I was still and praying, andpraying, and God opened the door
where I just all I had to dowas walk out.
And many times I didn't,because I didn't have the
courage to, because I didn'twant to lose that family, I
didn't want to lose those 30years that I had built up,

(01:05:47):
invested, invested, poured into.

Razz (01:05:49):
You know it's interesting.
You're saying God opened thedoor and you had to walk out,
and again watching from theoutside in how sometimes the
Lord just takes us out.

Tatiana (01:06:00):
The Lord leads you out, he opens the door and I was
just quietly sitting, I waspraying, and something, a couple
of hours after I had beenpraying, that door just opened
and I said, lord, I'm just goingto walk through it because I
just see your hand, I amgrabbing onto you and you're
leading, and he led me right out.

Razz (01:06:22):
So it's interesting because, in summary, for the
person that's suffering, you'rebringing so many things to the
table and one of them is that inyour suffering, don't hold down
just to your desired end forthe story, exactly Because God
is bigger.
Hold on to God, let God writethe story, let God take you in
the direction that God wants totake you.

(01:06:44):
And not that God is mean, notthat God is violating anybody's
opportunity, but I love Godbecause the word of God says God
will not contend with menforever.
So sometimes God gives you anopportunity for you to repent,
for you to respond.
And again, I love radio becauseyou never know who's listening.
You never know who's listeningand how God gives opportunity to
repent and sometimes peopledon't, and so the opportunity

(01:07:08):
that God had for you is past,but you can still repent.
You can still repent and maybere-engage in God doing a new
work in your life, god doing adifferent work in your life.
I'm gonna call this guest that'sholding on.
Maybe, lisa and Tatiana, youguys can talk amongst each other
and let the conversation,because this is a talk program,

(01:07:29):
a talk show.
But we have marriage,relationship suffering.
We have health suffering.
What happens when you suffer somuch in a situation that now
your health is affected.
And now you realize man, on topof everything, I got this.
What do I do here?
Any way that you could answeror add to that?

Lisa (01:07:50):
you got the mic hear any way that you could answer or add
to that.
You got the mic.
Well, I can say that withtatiana, after three years of
debilitating illness, I meanreally I, really.
I remember my friend told meyou need to accept that she
might not make it, and and Ireally it was.
It was a really a hard time ofsuffering and I remember tatiana

(01:08:10):
taught me through that whatlong suffering looks like.
And I heard a pastor say oncethat long suffering is suffering
until God changes things,because sometimes you cannot
make the decision for yourself.
And what happened with Tatianawas we ended up at a hospital in
another city and Tatiana endedup not breathing and God just

(01:08:32):
delivered her in one moment,delivered her from everything
that was going on in her life,and I saw all the prayers of
three years come together.
And that's why I love the Bible,because it says she waited 40
years.
She waited 30 years, you know,Moses did and all of a sudden,
and I'm like how is that all ofa sudden?
We've been praying for threeyears, what do you mean?

(01:08:54):
But it was all of a sudden.
I saw God's hand deliver andheal and it was a beautiful
thing and I'm so thankful thathe did.

Razz (01:09:02):
Yes, You're listening to Life for Jesus.
The program today is Sufferingin Women.
We have guests in the studio.
Lisa Tatiana, thank you forcoming in.
Thank you for being here.
The studio, lisa Tatiana, thankyou for coming in.
You just mentioned somethingwhich is it's really radical how
you wait and you wait and youpray, and you pray and you know,
by God's grace, we had anopportunity of being part of

(01:09:23):
that together.
And you're thinking, man, thisis not happening.
And then the aspect of like,what's going on here.
You know what's going on hereBecause a lot of it was unknown
at the time, absolutely how Godreveals things.
You know how God will not bemocked.
But here's what I love aboutwhat you said and you got to

(01:09:45):
repeat that it's like you'repraying, you're praying and then
all of a sudden you're sayingthat the breakthrough comes you
know, the healing comes.
I mean, what would you say tothe person that's listening?
That they're maybe about togive up.
They're thinking nothing isever going to happen.
This is just my lot and,unfortunately, sometimes people

(01:10:06):
they make a permanent decisionfor a temporary problem.
You know they take matter intotheir own hands.
What would either one of yousay about that?
You know, quickly, if you couldjust answer that question,
we'll get back to it.
I think we have our guestholding on the line here,
someone that you both know.
But what would you say aboutthat to the person that's
thinking man, I'm just going tocheck out, I'm just going to

(01:10:27):
slit my wrist, I'm going to takesome pills, I'm going to just
take a shot, blow my brains out.
Why would you say that's not theright decision?

Lisa (01:10:35):
Well, you just said it.
It's a permanent solution to atemporary problem.
It's all suffering.
Your situation might not change, but God can change you.
And if you're suffering, you'regoing through something.
Know that God has a plan foryour life If you're still alive.
God has not revealed hiscomplete plan for your life
because if not, you wouldn't behere.
So hold on, Hold on to Jesus,Seek help.

(01:10:57):
If you're thinking about endingyour life or this isn't worth
it, then you definitely need tocall a church, call a counselor.
You need to find help.
Today it's drastic like that,right?
Don't go another day byyourself in your mind thinking
these thoughts.
Those thoughts are not of God.
Those thoughts are of the enemy786-286-7729, you could call.

Razz (01:11:21):
Right now you could call that number.
786-286-pray P-R-A-Y 786, youcould call.
Right now you could call thatnumber.
786-286-pray P-R-A-Y 786.
You could call.

Tatiana (01:11:30):
I just want to say when you feel hopeless, I thought
about, I read this.
I actually wrote this.
It was in 2019.
I have it here in my Bible.
Please write in your Biblejournal whatever you're
suffering, because when you lookback, you see how God, his
mighty hand, at work in yourBible journal.
Whatever yourself, because whenyou look back, you see how God,
his mighty hand, at work inyour life.
So I wrote this in 2019.

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And this is exactly it says.
Reading this Psalm, this isexactly what I'm feeling.
And it says in Psalm 143, versefour.
It says so my spirit growsfaint within me, my heart within
me is dismayed.
I just didn't have any words,even to pray.
I just was so dismayed, sofaint within me.

(01:12:15):
I just I remember the days oflong ago.
But then it says I remember thedays of long ago.
I meditate on all your worksand consider what your hands
have done.
So then I think I ponder onGod's faithfulness and that it
says here your faithfulness,lord, preserved me, it preserves
me, it gives me hope.

(01:12:36):
It gives me hope because I sawGod work in other times in my
life and I thought about that.
Well, he can do the same thathe did even in the Bible.
What he did for so many womenin the Bible, he can do for me
today, because he's the God ofyesterday, today and tomorrow.

Razz (01:12:56):
Very good, very good.
Thank you so much.
This is the program Life forJesus.
It's 819.
No-transcript we got a fewminutes left in the program
today, but let's go to a guesthere this morning.
Let me see if I got this right.
Good morning, are you there?
Thank you for your patience,hello.

Caller (01:13:10):
Yes, good morning, I'm here.
Thank you for having me thismorning.

Razz (01:13:13):
Thank you for being with us.
I know you're a social worker.
I don't know if I want to getyou in trouble at work or
anything, so you could justspeak as an undisclosed
professional, but I thought Iwould have you on the program
because you know for any, Ithink, sometimes Christians,
they're not in tune with theworld.
Here you are you go from houseto house, you deal from family

(01:13:36):
to family, students in school.
Is suffering in women somethingthat's a reality from your
professional experience andperspective?

Caller (01:13:47):
It is, and I do want to say good morning to the guests.
So good morning ladies.
It's been a pleasure listeningin this morning.

Razz (01:13:55):
Hold on one second.
Okay, now we got you.
We got you.
Okay, go ahead Continue.
Thank you, thank you.

Caller (01:14:00):
No, so again just wanted to say good morning to the
guests that you have in theradio.
It's just been very, it's beena pleasure just listening.
Thank you To all that the Lordis doing and how the Lord is
using.
But to answer your question,suffering in women in my purview

(01:14:20):
, right in the area that I workin, I see it in young women, as
you know, in mature women.
So it's not an age situation.
You know.
Suffering comes in manydifferent ways.
In the current season that I'min with work, I'm seeing a lot

(01:14:44):
of suffering of moms, ofchildren with special needs.
Also, you know, dating back tothe pandemic that seemed so long
ago, but it wasn't Many womenthat experienced domestic
violence when everyone was home.
There was so much tension,changes in finances.

(01:15:06):
You know a lot of needs thatarose, both you know, physical,
financial, emotional.
So there is there's sufferingin many, many different ways.
But, going back to some of thethings that the guest shared
this morning, there is adifference when you're suffering

(01:15:31):
in isolation than when you'resuffering with the Lord and with
godly people that he would putin your midst.

Razz (01:15:41):
I hate to interrupt you.
This is too good.
What you're saying to thelistener is if you're suffering,
don't do it in isolation.
You know you're thinking you'renot worth anything, you're
thinking nobody cares.
But right now that's why you'rehere, that's why the guests are
here, that's why the subject isbeing covered in the radio
today that God does care, godwants to do something.
But let me ask you this question.

(01:16:02):
So what you're saying is I needto get with God and I need to
get to God's people.
So that would be a yes or noquestion.
But then here's the otherquestion how do I get to God's
people?
Because sometimes I go to achurch and everybody's screaming
and jumping up and down and I'mthinking man, I didn't sign up
for this, this is crazy, thesepeople.
And then you go to anotherchurch and it's like frozen

(01:16:22):
chosen and there's nothinghappening there but candles and
incense.
And so, ms Social Worker, whichyou give people help and you
give them lists and resources.
First question is how do I getto God's people?
Should I get to God's people?
And then the other question ishow do I find God's people?
You got the mic.

Caller (01:16:43):
Yes, so you get to God's people by first being with God.
And I think of, you know, goingback to scripture, I think of
of Hagar, um, you know she's awoman that you know, according
to scripture, um, you know, did,did not know God intimately,
you know, initially, Um, and shewent through a situation where

(01:17:05):
you know she was, she was forcedinto a situation that she
didn't, she didn't choose.
And here she is a single mom,and not only a single mom, but
she was kicked out of her homeand, you know, rejected and, you
know, abandoned, yes, and sentinto homelessness.
And you know she was sitting,you know, under a tree and

(01:17:26):
looking at her son from adistance and thinking, man, you
know, I'm going to see my sondie.
And we're out here, isolated,you know, alone, and then the
God who sees, because God, hesees us, he sees.

Razz (01:17:40):
He sees suffering, amen.

Caller (01:17:42):
And the God who sees approached her, you know, and
sent her back, sent her back tothat place where the suffering
began, you know.
So sometimes, you know, one ofthe guests you know shared that.
You know, even as believers inthe Lord, you know suffering is

(01:18:04):
part of life.
You know, jesus says it in thisworld.
You're going to have trouble,but we're not to fear because he
has overcome.
You know, and at least theverse that the Lord has given me
for this year, I believe, andyou know John 10, 10,.
You know that the enemy comesto steal, to kill and destroy,
but Jesus has come to give uslife, and life abundantly.

(01:18:24):
So where do we find godlypeople, first spending that time
with God, and then God willguide us to the people that he
has handpicked for us to supportus during those difficult times
.

Razz (01:18:43):
So love what you're saying , you know, because again, the
world's perspective is takematters into your own hands.
You know, get something done,do something, the Martha
syndrome right, and then whatyou're saying is the Mary
ointment, which is sit at thefeet of Jesus and he'll guide
you to the right place.
I don't know if you have anyclosing statements.
We have 825.

(01:19:04):
Our time is just about done.
I don't want to get into yourwork schedule.
I so thank you for being here.
We have such a diversifiedgroup here today and you bring
the Dominican, you know, tasteand flavor to it, which I'm so
glad.
But any closing statements thatyou might have, please?

Caller (01:19:29):
please.
So just focus, focus on theLord.
You know it's so clichesometimes, but really in the
Word of God, in in spending timein prayer, he does.
He does speak to our hearts andhe does calm our hearts.
You know again.
You know speaking with moms thatare suffering through having,
you know, children with specialneeds and feeling isolated.

(01:19:50):
The ones that sound and areable to rejoice are the ones
that say but you know what?
But God gave me this child.
But you know what?
But I trust that God is goingto help me, so it goes back to
you know what?
But I trust that God is goingto help me, so it goes back to
you could be in a very difficultsituation, but we do not have
to be alone.
We're not alone, but do werecognize that God is wanting to

(01:20:14):
be in our midst?
So many times?
You know, there's that also,that behavior where you can push
God away, but when you allowGod to come in to a situation,
he is faithful to work in andthrough it, and then he works in
and through us in the process.
So my encouragement would be nomatter what situation you're in
, seek the Lord.

(01:20:36):
If your life is at risk, youneed to find help immediately.
There are some situations wherewe need to flee, we need to flee
.

Razz (01:20:44):
So if there's a situation, where your life is at risk.
Flee Run for your life.

Caller (01:20:48):
You know, flee and hold on to the Lord, and God will put
people in your midst that willhelp you through it, thank you.
So I will just share that lastverse that John 10 said.
Yes, john 10 10, yes, you knowthat where the enemy has come to

(01:21:10):
steal and kill and destroy,jesus has come to give life, and
to give it abundantly.
So may we just bask in in thatword, and may the Lord bless you
all and thank you for having methank you.

Razz (01:21:18):
You know you.
You gave me a rhyme insuffering let God in, so that.
So that's good.
Thank you so much.
We'll have you back sometime,okay, god bless you.
Thank you.

Lisa (01:21:29):
God bless you.
Thank you so much Thank you Bye, bye, thank you.

Razz (01:21:32):
Okay.
So, ladies, we got to wrap itup.
I'm going to give you likemaybe one or two minutes.
I see you got your Bible open,you.
I can't thank you enough forbeing here today.
I like what our caller juststated, how she said, man, if
you're in a dire situation, itcould be life and death.
You got bruises, you got blood,you got pain.

(01:21:57):
Just get out of that situation.
Forget about it in a sense.
Oh, he's going to come around,he's going to get it.
It's my fault, no, it's notyour fault.
It's abuse.
It's what you call suffering,and there's a godly suffering,
but then there's a demonic devilsuffering that wants to destroy
your life.
Don't stand for that.
You don't have to stand forthat.
But, ladies, back to youSuffering in women.
I think it's been established.

(01:22:18):
Statistics show women do suffermore.
You know, and I like Pastor,senior Pastor Sack, how he
brought that biblicalperspective, which you can't
deny it, bibl more.
You know, and I like Pastor,senior Pastor Sack, how he
brought that biblicalperspective, which you can't
deny it biblically, you can'tdeny it statistically, but in
your closing statements, and wegot to have you back.
I hope you want to come backone day, you know.

Lisa (01:22:34):
Oh yeah, we're coming back .

Caller (01:22:35):
You can't get rid of us Good.

Lisa (01:22:38):
So let me just say this Quickly the Bible tells us in
Romans 5 that we don't onlyboast in God in hope of the
glory of God, but also in theglory of suffering.
Why?
Why would I boast in suffering?
It's because God has a purposefor suffering.
He doesn't design all suffering,he doesn't send all suffering,
but if you're suffering, he'sallowed it, it's passed through

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his loving hands.
And this is what God's wordsays that that suffering will
produce in you if you get better, which is meaning closer to
Jesus.
Instead of bitter, it says itproduces perseverance, character
and hope.
And hope does not put us toshame, because God's love has
been poured out into the heartthrough the Holy Spirit that

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he's given us, and then we havehope and we also have help.

Tatiana (01:23:23):
Yes, I can testify to that.
Amen.
I love that.
It's true.
Suffering is never wasted inGod's kingdom.
So I lift up my eyes.
It says in Psalm 121, I lift upmy eyes to the mountains.
Where does my help come from?
My help comes from the Lord,the maker of heaven and earth.
Women, men, anyone who'ssuffering, draw near to God.

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He's there.
He's waiting with his open arms.
He's our helper.

Razz (01:23:51):
Amen.
You know the scriptures saythat weeping may last through a
night, but joy will come in themorning.
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I want to thank again my guests.
Lisa Tatiana, thank you so muchfor coming.
The undisclosed social worker Istill want to say her name.

Lisa (01:24:10):
Me too.

Razz (01:24:11):
She is such a special, vibrant lady, and one of the
things that we have in commontoday in this program is that
our guests, they know sufferingfirsthand.
It's not just something theyread in a book or they saw in a
movie, but they walk through thevalley of suffering and here
you are.

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The Lord is faithful to bringyou through.
So if the Lord has brought ourguests through, the Lord can
bring you through your sufferingtoo.
You just have to seek the Lord.
I like that other scripturethat says God brings beauty from
ashes.
Well, you're right now livingin ashes, but God wants to bring
you to beauty.
So thank you so much for beinga part of the program today.
I'm going to wait that the well.
Let's do this.
I'm just going to go to ournext program already in progress

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Tatiana (01:25:01):
Thank you.
Thank you.

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