November 15, 2025 • 24 mins
Joseph shares his transformative journey from geologist to hypnotherapist, exploring how these different fields converge to create powerful healing experiences for cancer patients, entrepreneurs, and those seeking spiritual growth.
Joseph Drumheller
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• Describes India as "the most sacred land" with deep spiritual traditions despite infrastructural challenges
• Worked with cancer patients using hypnotherapy to help them make peace with mortality through guided death experiences
• Explains how releasing suppressed emotions can create healing and stop repeating negative patterns
• Discusses crystals from a geologist's perspective, noting they emit vibrational frequencies that can affect our energy field
• Defines hypnotherapy as accessing the subconscious mind through deep relaxation to release emotions and tap into creativity
• Identifies common business challenges for healers who often lack promotional personality traits
• Emphasizes that everyone has experienced trauma that manifests as "repeating patterns" in relationships and life
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Tanya Scotece (00:35):
What a beautiful journey, though, that you
described, you know for yourself.
I actually just before I forget, I want to ask you two
questions.
One is I went to, I had anopportunity to visit India last
December and I came away fromthere just saying it is the most
sacred land that I've everexperienced, like from a just
(00:56):
there's no words to evendescribe it.
Joseph Drumheller (00:58):
but that was my I don't know what the deal
with India is.
They got all the tradition, allthe histories.
It's like this incrediblyspiritual place, yet it's a very
you know.
They just don't have their acttogether with infrastructure,
you know, and yet they're veryadvanced with like technology
and stuff.
It's just a fascinating country.
You know.
There's so many people thereand there's rich people and
there's poor people.
It's like you know, it's likeand they have the spirituality
(01:20):
stuff that I just don't.
I just maybe it's just wherethey are on the planet or the
history that they have there,but it's just it's incredible.
It's incredible.
It's, yeah, like the UnitedStates, forget about it.
We don't have anything that'sclose to touching, you know.
Tanya Scotece (01:34):
Yeah.
So my questions, based on whatyou've shared, are two things.
One is with your work with thecancer patients, what was your
like I don't want to sayintention, because maybe that's
not the right word, but, forexample, is it to have the
cancer patients make peace withwhere they are?
Was it to give them energy toeither accept where they are?
(01:56):
I mean, I don't think it was toheal them, correct, because
there's certain cancers that Imean.
It's not like I mean everybody-.
Joseph Drumheller (02:02):
Some people did go through healing
experiences, but that was notthe intention.
Tanya Scotece (02:06):
So what did you find, to kind of like summarize,
with working in that specificpopulation?
Joseph Drumheller (02:11):
What was the answer patients was everything.
It was life and death.
It was miraculous experiences.
So there were some people thatwould come in.
I'd interview them on the firstsession and I would know before
they knew that I was going tohelp this person die as
peacefully as possible.
So the first thing withhypnotherapy, when you know
people come see you for allsorts of different reasons and
(02:33):
they were entitled to have sixsessions with me as long as
they're undergoing radiationtreatment.
So some people were verymetaphysical and actually wanted
to do healing.
Okay, so I couldn't, I can't,really I couldn't approach it
that way, just because you knowthat's not what we were doing
and you know I don't want tosell hypnotherapy like that.
So but we get people to relax.
The first thing to do is justto help people relax because
(02:55):
they're under very, verystressful considerations.
You know, under very stressfulcircumstances because everyone
in the back of their mind whohas cancer whether it's, like
you know, like just a melanomaon their face or like some
serious breast cancer orsomething everyone has the same
thought in the back of theirmind and that is okay.
Is this going to take me out?
(03:15):
Is this how I die?
So, and nobody, nobody evertalks about that with cancer
patients.
And so by about the time thethird session rolled around, at
some point I wanted to talkabout death with people not all
of them, but most of them andmost people really wanted to
talk about death just becausejust to get it off their chest
(03:35):
or whatever.
And then I had for some, inorder to help them come to peace
with where they're with withcancer, I would take them
through these hypnotherapyexperience with these guided
meditations, where I would takethem through their death
experience, so they wouldactually go through their
imagined death experience andwhat it would be like on the
other side.
(03:56):
And for those that wanted to dothat, it was absolutely
phenomenal experience becausewhen they came back they
realized that there's nothing tobe afraid of, and so it helped
them deal with cancer much moreeffectively.
So when the fear of death isgone, then you can live more
fully.
You know death is a greatteacher, and then also for most
(04:17):
of the people dealing withcancer on some level, you know
having cancer it's an emotionalminefield.
You know, um, you know havingcancer it's an emotional
minefield.
So you need to to help peoplewith their emotions, and there
could be suppressed emotions inthere that are actually helping
create the cancer itself.
So at some point, usually earlyon, I'd want to take people
(04:37):
through releasing suppressedemotions from the past and
that's a big deal withhypnotherapy and um.
When you do that can create alot of emotional release for
some people, actually causephysical healing and from those
suppressed emotions from thepast.
For almost everybody it dealswith your primary family of
origin.
So if you want to go into thedeeper healing work you need to
(05:00):
be willing to deal with youremotional unresolved with your
family.
Tanya Scotece (05:07):
Very important, very important.
Joseph Drumheller (05:09):
Yeah.
You know it's so funny, joseph.
Tanya Scotece (05:13):
Correct, correct so it's so.
I feel like we are like onwhat's the word?
Like different, like parallelsof the universe, because my
former career was in medicalmedical administration and I
actually ran an oncology officefor my former boss, dr Kenneth
Kern, who specialized in breastcancer, thyroid cancer and
malignant melanoma.
So I saw, before I transitionedinto the mortuary world,
(05:36):
exactly what you know.
Other maybe considerations thatyou're describing as far as how
people approach their cancer,there were some people that
actually identified it.
They wore it like their cloak,like I have cancer like, and
they would almost like.
That's who they identified with.
And then there's other peoplewho never, once it was removed,
they never wanted to talk aboutit again.
You know what I mean Like andit's just how people approach
(05:59):
the same quote, unquotediagnosis, even though there's
many degrees of it, but howpeople handle it differently.
So it's fascinating.
But I want to ask one where Ihad two questions.
So one was about the cancer.
Second is the geology aspect.
So as far as understanding likecrystals, a lot of people like
the metaphysical world or youknow, just having, for example,
(06:19):
rose, quartz and amethyst andselenite around them I have a
question what is it when, forexample, like if somebody is
drawn to a certain crystal, likeit talks to them or resonate?
Would you?
From your perspective as far asa geologist, would you say that
that person needs more of it?
What is the reason for thatattraction?
(06:39):
with a crystal or a-.
Joseph Drumheller (06:41):
So crystal?
So Interestingly enough, as ageologist and with my interest
in healing and stuff, I've neverreally been drawn to crystals,
which I find really fascinating.
I don't know why that is, but Ido know that crystals give off
a vibrational frequency and theycan be used in healing.
And I would say if someonefeels drawn to a particular
crystal, they should wear it.
(07:02):
If it makes them feel good,it's probably doing something to
up their vibrational energyfield.
And I would say, yeah, have itaround.
If you, if you go into a crystalshop that has like a lot of
amethyst, you know, like purplecrystals, like those are more
common, if you can.
Well, I don't know, it's aninteresting exercise.
I'll say, if you can go in,stand in front of those crystals
(07:24):
and see if you feel anything.
You know it used to be used tobe.
I go into crystal shops.
I think they're interesting.
Now it's like if I go into acrystal shop I can't get, like
you know, more than 10 feet infront of the amethyst display
because it's too strong, youknow.
So that's part of my ownsensitivity that's developed
over time.
Tanya Scotece (07:42):
So Fascinating, fascinating, well, thank you so
much for sharing.
Fascinating, fascinating, well,thank you so much for sharing.
Uh, my two questions areanswered.
Shireen Botha (07:50):
And shireen, how about you questions for joseph,
or?
And yeah, you actually kind ofanswered some of my questions
too, so thank you for that.
But um, first of all, I'venever had that experience.
I don't know what it is to bedrawn to a crystal, but then,
you know, I haven't actuallybeen or have a.
I'd be able to have thatexperience.
I don't know if I'm just Idon't know, maybe I'm just too
numb.
Joseph Drumheller (08:10):
No, you're just, you're all unique, it's
all good.
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But, joseph, earlier on youmentioned powerful medicines.
What do you mean by powerfulmedicines, if you can give a few
(09:24):
examples of those powerfulmedicines that you learned about
and do you use them in yoursessions?
Joseph Drumheller (09:31):
okay.
So when I when I use the phrasepowerful medicine, I was kind
of borrowing some nativeamerican phrase.
So this guy has powerfulmedicine, so that's like
spiritual energies and so um.
So when I when I have learnedabout hypnotherapy and the more
I get into it, I would call thata powerful medicine, because
what we're doing is that we'regoing into the subconscious mind
(09:51):
through deep states ofrelaxation and we're actually
accessing and harnessing thepower of the subconscious mind,
which is a phenomenal tool.
That is just we're justlearning how to use it now in
the in the evolution of us as aspecies and, and I think as we
move forward, this non-invasive,holistic, energetic type
(10:14):
healings are going to becomemore commonplace and they're
going to become more in themainstream.
Right now they're still seenoutside of the box a bit, so
you're not going to see them asmuch in traditional medicine and
things like that.
But I think as we progress inthe future generations we're
going to see a lot more likethat.
But I think as we progress andin the future generations we're
going to see a lot more of that.
It's because I teach clinicalhypnotherapy certification and
(10:36):
when I started doing it 30 yearsago it was like kind of woo-woo
, you know like weird stuff.
Now I'm teaching like studentsfrom all over the world, you
know like in their 20s and 30s,and they just can't get enough
of it.
So they're good.
So these, the youngergeneration, is going to really
run with it, so yeah, Joseph,can you?
Tanya Scotece (10:54):
can you walk our listeners through like just some
basic, like if people maybejust heard of hypnosis but
they're not sure, like what itmeans, or like you know?
Can you walk through likewhether people are doing it for,
for example, weight loss orsmoking cessation, or to maybe
past life regression?
Can you walk us through justwhat it feels like and, you know
, take out or demystify some ofthe myths around?
Joseph Drumheller (11:16):
So, first of all, historically there's a lot
of misconceptions when you usethe word hypnotherapy or
hypnosis.
In particular, peopleautomatically, for whatever
reason, they go to stagehypnosis where someone's being
made to bark like a chicken orsomething like that.
So, even though that is alegitimate form of entertainment
and they are tapping into thesubconscious mind, the work that
(11:36):
I do in hypnotherapy it's aform of guided meditation.
So I take people into deeplyrelaxed states for primarily
three reasons and the first oneis to do healing.
So it's mostly emotionalhealing of suppressed emotion
that can be released from thepast, which has a huge impact on
everyone's life and they don'tknow it.
So suppressed emotion.
(11:57):
It can also be used to enhancecreativity and it can also be
used to help people developspiritually, especially in the
concept of things like spiritualawakening.
So what hypnotherapy can beused for is just about anything.
You hear it used for smokingand losing weight a lot, but
(12:18):
that's behavior modification andthat's just very the surface
level of what you can do withhypnotherapy.
So hypnotherapy, what you'redoing when you go into deeply
relaxed states, you are enteringthe subconscious mind.
So when you enter thesubconscious mind through a deep
state of relaxation, you'reessentially entering the
suspended dream state, and so,um, it's a natural, actually a
(12:41):
natural state that we go intoevery day, twice a day.
That's right before you wake upin the morning, right before
you go to sleep at night.
It's the hazy zone betweenbeing asleep and being awake,
and so what you can do in ahypnotherapy session is you can
go into that state of mind andyou can extend it for a period
of time, like up to an hour, andso when you go into the
subconscious mind, you know it'sreally important to understand
(13:04):
what the subconscious mind isfirst of all, and the
subconscious mind is the home ofthe non-physical aspects of the
human experience.
So that includes our intuition,our dreams, our creative
flashes, our memories and, mostof all, our emotions.
That's the biggest thing that Iprobably work with on everyone.
So what happens is that when weexperience so emotions are born
(13:27):
to be experienced Okay, that'stheir only job.
And so when emotions are bornor experienced, they simply
dissolve and go back into theether.
However, almost all of us infact I will say all of us even
have a natural tendency on asubconscious level to not want
to experience unpleasant emotion.
We don't want to experience ourpain.
(13:48):
We don't want to experience ourpain, we don't want to
experience our jealousy, wedon't experience our fear.
So what we do is that, on asubconscious level so we don't
know we're doing it consciouslywe avoid those emotions, and
when that happens, they getstuffed or they get suppressed
into our subconscious mind.
And so, when that happens, wehave these little living
entities of fear or pain orwhatever that living inside of
(14:10):
us, and all they want to do isthey want to be experienced.
That's their cause, that'stheir only job, right?
And so what they'll do is thatthey'll start to create
situations and scenarios in ourlives where we can experience
that pain, that fear or whatever.
So we'll start to see thesethings come up, and if we
continue to avoid those on asubconscious level again, we
don't know we're doing it whatwe'll start to see are repeating
(14:32):
patterns of the same pain overand over and over again.
Have the same problems withfinances over and over again.
You have the same problems inrelationships over and over
again.
You have the same problems inyour health over and over again.
And so, and?
And?
Who are, you know, theseunfortunate people?
Excuse me, these unfortunatepeople that have these repeating
patterns.
Want to guess, everybody soeverybody has suppressed emotion
(14:54):
inside of them, with theserepeating patterns of pain.
And so what the beauty ofhypnotherapy is and types of
energy healing you can go intothese deeply relaxed states and
when you do that, it lets downthe barrier between the
conscious and the conscious mind, called the critical faculty of
the mind.
And when that happens, thenthese suppressed emotions from
the past are there and you canessentially just release them by
(15:16):
asking them to leave.
It's a very profound experience, and when that happens is that
the repeating patterns will stop.
Okay, so or or the the problemsthat you have will diminish in
their intensity or theirfrequency.
So that's probably the mainthing that I do with people in
terms of healing.
And then, but when you get intothe subconscious mind and it
(15:38):
starts to clear out all thesesuppressed emotions from the
past, in which people reallydon't have that many of, then it
becomes a crate, it comes aconduit for higher vibrational
energy.
You know, the buzzword phrasefor now is called quantum energy
, and so this is a creativeforce, and so when you start
tapping into that, your life'sgoing to get very creative and
(16:00):
different, not only consciously,but subconsciously, you know.
You start to seesynchronicities.
You'll get into what's calleddivine flow and then when you
get into that state, then youcan start going up the different
levels of experiencing energyto higher vibrational
frequencies, and so that takestime and effort and stuff like
that, but the rewards are likefascinating the life takes on
(16:21):
very interesting.
What's that?
Tanya Scotece (16:23):
Is that what you described earlier as far as,
like you became like into music,a musician and an author?
Is that?
Joseph Drumheller (16:30):
for me, yeah, for me it happened kind of
without knowing.
It just exploded out of me.
I went through this reallycathartic experience and went
through some huge changesimmediately and then the
creativity just start pouringout.
So I think that's kind of anextreme example, but I've seen
it happen with lots of otherpeople.
When they start dealing withthese energies, life gets very
(16:51):
creative, and so that includesin business.
So you know.
So if you can take these, thislevel of awareness, and put it
into business, you know it canbe great for coming up with new
ideas and strategies, but ormaintaining problems or problem
solving and stuff.
So, like I work with, you know,a number of entrepreneurs who
you know they probably wouldn'tcome on the show and say that
(17:12):
they use this stuff onthemselves, but they do it
personally and they interject itinto their business with some
great success, and it's apersonal growth process at the
same time.
Shireen Botha (17:22):
I mean, I love that.
I love that you brought that in.
Because my next question is youknow, you being an entrepreneur
and business owner yourselfwith the academy that you've
started, what would you saywould have been one of the
biggest struggles that you'vefaced on this?
Joseph Drumheller (17:43):
Okay, so let's go back 30 years to where
I started doing hypnotherapy andall this kind of weird stuff
way, way outside of the box.
It's even outside of the boxtoday.
So one of my biggest strugglesin doing this is that, because
it's outside of the box, it'snon-traditional.
My biggest challenge has beenmaking money.
So and that's not uncommon fora lot of healers, and so one is
because we don't possess all thepersonality traits necessary to
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be successful in business.
So many healers, they're highlysensitive, they're empathic and
they're introverted, so theydon't have the promotional
personality type.
They may not have the emotionaland mental toughness to get
through certain parts ofbusiness when you go through the
(18:25):
ups and downs or you have to dosome serious problem solving.
So that's a problem for a lotof healers, and so how I have
overcome it, it's just it's likeit's a.
It's one day at a time.
You know and keep focused onwhat it is you're doing and why
are you doing it, you know.
And so one thing about anybodyin business, especially healers,
(18:46):
it's like you know you alwayshear the need.
Well, you need to perseverebecause you know times are going
to get tough and at some pointyou're going to have to cut back
, you know, or you're going tohave to persevere through the
hard times.
Well, if you're born to do whatyou're doing, if it's your
mission in life, you don't needto persevere because you're
(19:06):
going to do it, no matter what,because it's what mission in
life.
You don't need to perseverebecause you're going to do it no
matter what, because it's whatyou're born to do.
So you know it can knock youdown flat, but you're still
going to do it.
Shireen Botha (19:14):
So you know, would that be your way?
Because that would be my nextquestion.
Absolutely, I can't stop.
Joseph Drumheller (19:21):
I couldn't stop if I wanted to.
I was born to do what I do, andthe nature component adds to it.
So it's like, you know, comewhatever I'm, you know, stick
with this to the end.
Plus, it's fascinating.
It's absolutely fascinating.
You know, and, and you can seehow other people that changes
their lives and and how it makesthem come alive and be the
fullest version, who, whothey're meant to be.
(19:42):
You know so, and and noteveryone's a healer.
So you can, I can, helpbusiness people, you know.
I can help athletes, you know,and stuff like that.
So it's just, I don't know, I'mhooked.
I've been in it for a long time.
Tanya Scotece (19:54):
It's fascinating, fascinating, just hearing your
journey.
So what would you say, though,joseph?
Is there a distinction betweenenergy healers and
hypnotherapists?
Yes, like.
Do you put them together?
Is yours more of ahypnotherapists?
Joseph Drumheller (20:07):
Like, yes, so yeah, there was a combined
field Mine's a combined, sothey're they're complementary
modalities.
So usually if I was to takesomeone who didn't know anything
I wanted to go to be thegreatest healer they could be, I
would take them throughhypnotherapy first, because
that's where you're going to.
When you learn to do it and youstart doing that other people,
you're going to have to gothrough your own healing process
and so you're going to beclearing out your suppressed
(20:30):
emotions from the past and allthat stuff.
And then you're going to beopen up to be this conduit and
then that's when I would starttraining you in energy healing,
because there's techniques youcan do to it.
Now, of course, not everybodydoes that.
Everyone does, has their ownway to go.
They might start with energyhealing and never do
hypnotherapy or vice versa.
But but hypnotherapy edit, andit in its purest and truest form
(20:51):
is a form of spiritual healing.
Now you won't hear that frompeople who just do it for weight
loss or, um, you know, quitsmoking or behavior modification
and stuff.
And then there might be somepeople who even teach
hypnotherapy, who wouldn'trecognize it as that either.
But my experience just becausemy journey has been very
spiritual from the get-go umhypnotherapy has naturally led
(21:15):
me into higher spiritual realms.
Right, and it's a naturalprogression in my experience
okay.
Tanya Scotece (21:26):
So, like you've touched on for example, so for
our listeners out there, forexample, athletes or people who
want to be athletes, maybe youknow, try hypnotherapy.
You've also tried people, youknow, maybe behavior
modifications you've tried.
I guess there's probably thetrauma component too, right,
people with PTSD or complex PTSD.
Joseph Drumheller (21:45):
Well, everybody has a form of PTSD,
everybody.
Everybody has experiencedtrauma when they're young and it
affects their behavior whenthey become adults.
It's from the suppressedemotion.
It could be.
You have problems inrelationships Like you get
divorced because of this personis treating you a certain way.
You get into your next marriageand this different person, but
(22:07):
they're still treating you thesame way.
So what?
That is telling you that,because it's a repeating pattern
, has nothing to do with theother person.
It's what's going on inside ofyou and so, and so everybody has
that.
That affects different parts oftheir lives.
You know it can be abandonmentissues, um, you know, not being
successful, repeating patterns,health issues, you, you know.
(22:28):
So it's like it's, it's, ithits.
Almost every everyone has it,has some repeating pattern at
some point where hypnotherapycould very likely help them.
Tanya Scotece (22:38):
You know would you say like a core belief, like
the core beliefs, like ittouches on our like, you know
those kind of core beliefs thatwe have like and people like,
for example, like people aren'tif you feel like I'm not good
enough, I'm not smart enough,I'm not, whatever, loved enough
or whatever, those fears does,that kind of um absolutely.
Joseph Drumheller (22:55):
So those, those beliefs are subconscious,
so we're not consciously awareof them.
And and so the, the um, the notgood enough.
The unworthiness is so huge inso many millions and millions of
people's lives that that wedon't achieve our potential
because of how we were beratedor treated as a child.
We just want to support, giventhe love that we needed.
(23:16):
You know, and that's not,that's not our parents' fault.
You know that happened to their, their parents and their
parents and their parents, asfar back as you want to go.
So you know, it's like it's justthe way it is, and so when
you're in that situation, theonly thing you can do is like to
take steps to heal yourself,and that's going to hurt
children, you know so.
You know so it's.
It hits us all.
You know we're all woundedpeople.
(23:37):
Yeah, on some level.
Tanya Scotece (23:39):
Trying to get home.
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Dive into a world of untamedpassion.
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As we join our host, ShireenBotha, for this month's episode
of Friends from Wild Places.
Tanya Scotece (00:35):
What a beautiful journey, though, that you
described, you know for yourself.
I actually just before I forget, I want to ask you two
questions.
One is I went to, I had anopportunity to visit India last
December and I came away fromthere just saying it is the most
sacred land that I've everexperienced, like from a just
(00:56):
there's no words to evendescribe it.
Joseph Drumheller (00:58):
but that was my I don't know what the deal
with India is.
They got all the tradition, allthe histories.
It's like this incrediblyspiritual place, yet it's a very
you know.
They just don't have their acttogether with infrastructure,
you know, and yet they're veryadvanced with like technology
and stuff.
It's just a fascinating country.
You know.
There's so many people thereand there's rich people and
there's poor people.
It's like you know, it's likeand they have the spirituality
(01:20):
stuff that I just don't.
I just maybe it's just wherethey are on the planet or the
history that they have there,but it's just it's incredible.
It's incredible.
It's, yeah, like the UnitedStates, forget about it.
We don't have anything that'sclose to touching, you know.
Tanya Scotece (01:34):
Yeah.
So my questions, based on whatyou've shared, are two things.
One is with your work with thecancer patients, what was your
like I don't want to sayintention, because maybe that's
not the right word, but, forexample, is it to have the
cancer patients make peace withwhere they are?
Was it to give them energy toeither accept where they are?
(01:56):
I mean, I don't think it was toheal them, correct, because
there's certain cancers that Imean.
It's not like I mean everybody-.
Joseph Drumheller (02:02):
Some people did go through healing
experiences, but that was notthe intention.
Tanya Scotece (02:06):
So what did you find, to kind of like summarize,
with working in that specificpopulation?
Joseph Drumheller (02:11):
What was the answer patients was everything.
It was life and death.
It was miraculous experiences.
So there were some people thatwould come in.
I'd interview them on the firstsession and I would know before
they knew that I was going tohelp this person die as
peacefully as possible.
So the first thing withhypnotherapy, when you know
people come see you for allsorts of different reasons and
(02:33):
they were entitled to have sixsessions with me as long as
they're undergoing radiationtreatment.
So some people were verymetaphysical and actually wanted
to do healing.
Okay, so I couldn't, I can't,really I couldn't approach it
that way, just because you knowthat's not what we were doing
and you know I don't want tosell hypnotherapy like that.
So but we get people to relax.
The first thing to do is justto help people relax because
(02:55):
they're under very, verystressful considerations.
You know, under very stressfulcircumstances because everyone
in the back of their mind whohas cancer whether it's, like
you know, like just a melanomaon their face or like some
serious breast cancer orsomething everyone has the same
thought in the back of theirmind and that is okay.
Is this going to take me out?
(03:15):
Is this how I die?
So, and nobody, nobody evertalks about that with cancer
patients.
And so by about the time thethird session rolled around, at
some point I wanted to talkabout death with people not all
of them, but most of them andmost people really wanted to
talk about death just becausejust to get it off their chest
(03:35):
or whatever.
And then I had for some, inorder to help them come to peace
with where they're with withcancer, I would take them
through these hypnotherapyexperience with these guided
meditations, where I would takethem through their death
experience, so they wouldactually go through their
imagined death experience andwhat it would be like on the
other side.
(03:56):
And for those that wanted to dothat, it was absolutely
phenomenal experience becausewhen they came back they
realized that there's nothing tobe afraid of, and so it helped
them deal with cancer much moreeffectively.
So when the fear of death isgone, then you can live more
fully.
You know death is a greatteacher, and then also for most
(04:17):
of the people dealing withcancer on some level, you know
having cancer it's an emotionalminefield.
You know, um, you know havingcancer it's an emotional
minefield.
So you need to to help peoplewith their emotions, and there
could be suppressed emotions inthere that are actually helping
create the cancer itself.
So at some point, usually earlyon, I'd want to take people
(04:37):
through releasing suppressedemotions from the past and
that's a big deal withhypnotherapy and um.
When you do that can create alot of emotional release for
some people, actually causephysical healing and from those
suppressed emotions from thepast.
For almost everybody it dealswith your primary family of
origin.
So if you want to go into thedeeper healing work you need to
(05:00):
be willing to deal with youremotional unresolved with your
family.
Tanya Scotece (05:07):
Very important, very important.
Joseph Drumheller (05:09):
Yeah.
You know it's so funny, joseph.
Tanya Scotece (05:13):
Correct, correct so it's so.
I feel like we are like onwhat's the word?
Like different, like parallelsof the universe, because my
former career was in medicalmedical administration and I
actually ran an oncology officefor my former boss, dr Kenneth
Kern, who specialized in breastcancer, thyroid cancer and
malignant melanoma.
So I saw, before I transitionedinto the mortuary world,
(05:36):
exactly what you know.
Other maybe considerations thatyou're describing as far as how
people approach their cancer,there were some people that
actually identified it.
They wore it like their cloak,like I have cancer like, and
they would almost like.
That's who they identified with.
And then there's other peoplewho never, once it was removed,
they never wanted to talk aboutit again.
You know what I mean Like andit's just how people approach
(05:59):
the same quote, unquotediagnosis, even though there's
many degrees of it, but howpeople handle it differently.
So it's fascinating.
But I want to ask one where Ihad two questions.
So one was about the cancer.
Second is the geology aspect.
So as far as understanding likecrystals, a lot of people like
the metaphysical world or youknow, just having, for example,
(06:19):
rose, quartz and amethyst andselenite around them I have a
question what is it when, forexample, like if somebody is
drawn to a certain crystal, likeit talks to them or resonate?
Would you?
From your perspective as far asa geologist, would you say that
that person needs more of it?
What is the reason for thatattraction?
(06:39):
with a crystal or a-.
Joseph Drumheller (06:41):
So crystal?
So Interestingly enough, as ageologist and with my interest
in healing and stuff, I've neverreally been drawn to crystals,
which I find really fascinating.
I don't know why that is, but Ido know that crystals give off
a vibrational frequency and theycan be used in healing.
And I would say if someonefeels drawn to a particular
crystal, they should wear it.
(07:02):
If it makes them feel good,it's probably doing something to
up their vibrational energyfield.
And I would say, yeah, have itaround.
If you, if you go into a crystalshop that has like a lot of
amethyst, you know, like purplecrystals, like those are more
common, if you can.
Well, I don't know, it's aninteresting exercise.
I'll say, if you can go in,stand in front of those crystals
(07:24):
and see if you feel anything.
You know it used to be used tobe.
I go into crystal shops.
I think they're interesting.
Now it's like if I go into acrystal shop I can't get, like
you know, more than 10 feet infront of the amethyst display
because it's too strong, youknow.
So that's part of my ownsensitivity that's developed
over time.
Tanya Scotece (07:42):
So Fascinating, fascinating, well, thank you so
much for sharing.
Fascinating, fascinating, well,thank you so much for sharing.
Uh, my two questions areanswered.
Shireen Botha (07:50):
And shireen, how about you questions for joseph,
or?
And yeah, you actually kind ofanswered some of my questions
too, so thank you for that.
But um, first of all, I'venever had that experience.
I don't know what it is to bedrawn to a crystal, but then,
you know, I haven't actuallybeen or have a.
I'd be able to have thatexperience.
I don't know if I'm just Idon't know, maybe I'm just too
numb.
Joseph Drumheller (08:10):
No, you're just, you're all unique, it's
all good.
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But, joseph, earlier on youmentioned powerful medicines.
What do you mean by powerfulmedicines, if you can give a few
(09:24):
examples of those powerfulmedicines that you learned about
and do you use them in yoursessions?
Joseph Drumheller (09:31):
okay.
So when I when I use the phrasepowerful medicine, I was kind
of borrowing some nativeamerican phrase.
So this guy has powerfulmedicine, so that's like
spiritual energies and so um.
So when I when I have learnedabout hypnotherapy and the more
I get into it, I would call thata powerful medicine, because
what we're doing is that we'regoing into the subconscious mind
(09:51):
through deep states ofrelaxation and we're actually
accessing and harnessing thepower of the subconscious mind,
which is a phenomenal tool.
That is just we're justlearning how to use it now in
the in the evolution of us as aspecies and, and I think as we
move forward, this non-invasive,holistic, energetic type
(10:14):
healings are going to becomemore commonplace and they're
going to become more in themainstream.
Right now they're still seenoutside of the box a bit, so
you're not going to see them asmuch in traditional medicine and
things like that.
But I think as we progress inthe future generations we're
going to see a lot more likethat.
But I think as we progress andin the future generations we're
going to see a lot more of that.
It's because I teach clinicalhypnotherapy certification and
(10:36):
when I started doing it 30 yearsago it was like kind of woo-woo
, you know like weird stuff.
Now I'm teaching like studentsfrom all over the world, you
know like in their 20s and 30s,and they just can't get enough
of it.
So they're good.
So these, the youngergeneration, is going to really
run with it, so yeah, Joseph,can you?
Tanya Scotece (10:54):
can you walk our listeners through like just some
basic, like if people maybejust heard of hypnosis but
they're not sure, like what itmeans, or like you know?
Can you walk through likewhether people are doing it for,
for example, weight loss orsmoking cessation, or to maybe
past life regression?
Can you walk us through justwhat it feels like and, you know
, take out or demystify some ofthe myths around?
Joseph Drumheller (11:16):
So, first of all, historically there's a lot
of misconceptions when you usethe word hypnotherapy or
hypnosis.
In particular, peopleautomatically, for whatever
reason, they go to stagehypnosis where someone's being
made to bark like a chicken orsomething like that.
So, even though that is alegitimate form of entertainment
and they are tapping into thesubconscious mind, the work that
(11:36):
I do in hypnotherapy it's aform of guided meditation.
So I take people into deeplyrelaxed states for primarily
three reasons and the first oneis to do healing.
So it's mostly emotionalhealing of suppressed emotion
that can be released from thepast, which has a huge impact on
everyone's life and they don'tknow it.
So suppressed emotion.
(11:57):
It can also be used to enhancecreativity and it can also be
used to help people developspiritually, especially in the
concept of things like spiritualawakening.
So what hypnotherapy can beused for is just about anything.
You hear it used for smokingand losing weight a lot, but
(12:18):
that's behavior modification andthat's just very the surface
level of what you can do withhypnotherapy.
So hypnotherapy, what you'redoing when you go into deeply
relaxed states, you are enteringthe subconscious mind.
So when you enter thesubconscious mind through a deep
state of relaxation, you'reessentially entering the
suspended dream state, and so,um, it's a natural, actually a
(12:41):
natural state that we go intoevery day, twice a day.
That's right before you wake upin the morning, right before
you go to sleep at night.
It's the hazy zone betweenbeing asleep and being awake,
and so what you can do in ahypnotherapy session is you can
go into that state of mind andyou can extend it for a period
of time, like up to an hour, andso when you go into the
subconscious mind, you know it'sreally important to understand
(13:04):
what the subconscious mind isfirst of all, and the
subconscious mind is the home ofthe non-physical aspects of the
human experience.
So that includes our intuition,our dreams, our creative
flashes, our memories and, mostof all, our emotions.
That's the biggest thing that Iprobably work with on everyone.
So what happens is that when weexperience so emotions are born
(13:27):
to be experienced Okay, that'stheir only job.
And so when emotions are bornor experienced, they simply
dissolve and go back into theether.
However, almost all of us infact I will say all of us even
have a natural tendency on asubconscious level to not want
to experience unpleasant emotion.
We don't want to experience ourpain.
(13:48):
We don't want to experience ourpain, we don't want to
experience our jealousy, wedon't experience our fear.
So what we do is that, on asubconscious level so we don't
know we're doing it consciouslywe avoid those emotions, and
when that happens, they getstuffed or they get suppressed
into our subconscious mind.
And so, when that happens, wehave these little living
entities of fear or pain orwhatever that living inside of
(14:10):
us, and all they want to do isthey want to be experienced.
That's their cause, that'stheir only job, right?
And so what they'll do is thatthey'll start to create
situations and scenarios in ourlives where we can experience
that pain, that fear or whatever.
So we'll start to see thesethings come up, and if we
continue to avoid those on asubconscious level again, we
don't know we're doing it whatwe'll start to see are repeating
(14:32):
patterns of the same pain overand over and over again.
Have the same problems withfinances over and over again.
You have the same problems inrelationships over and over
again.
You have the same problems inyour health over and over again.
And so, and?
And?
Who are, you know, theseunfortunate people?
Excuse me, these unfortunatepeople that have these repeating
patterns.
Want to guess, everybody soeverybody has suppressed emotion
(14:54):
inside of them, with theserepeating patterns of pain.
And so what the beauty ofhypnotherapy is and types of
energy healing you can go intothese deeply relaxed states and
when you do that, it lets downthe barrier between the
conscious and the conscious mind, called the critical faculty of
the mind.
And when that happens, thenthese suppressed emotions from
the past are there and you canessentially just release them by
(15:16):
asking them to leave.
It's a very profound experience, and when that happens is that
the repeating patterns will stop.
Okay, so or or the the problemsthat you have will diminish in
their intensity or theirfrequency.
So that's probably the mainthing that I do with people in
terms of healing.
And then, but when you get intothe subconscious mind and it
(15:38):
starts to clear out all thesesuppressed emotions from the
past, in which people reallydon't have that many of, then it
becomes a crate, it comes aconduit for higher vibrational
energy.
You know, the buzzword phrasefor now is called quantum energy
, and so this is a creativeforce, and so when you start
tapping into that, your life'sgoing to get very creative and
(16:00):
different, not only consciously,but subconsciously, you know.
You start to seesynchronicities.
You'll get into what's calleddivine flow and then when you
get into that state, then youcan start going up the different
levels of experiencing energyto higher vibrational
frequencies, and so that takestime and effort and stuff like
that, but the rewards are likefascinating the life takes on
(16:21):
very interesting.
What's that?
Tanya Scotece (16:23):
Is that what you described earlier as far as,
like you became like into music,a musician and an author?
Is that?
Joseph Drumheller (16:30):
for me, yeah, for me it happened kind of
without knowing.
It just exploded out of me.
I went through this reallycathartic experience and went
through some huge changesimmediately and then the
creativity just start pouringout.
So I think that's kind of anextreme example, but I've seen
it happen with lots of otherpeople.
When they start dealing withthese energies, life gets very
(16:51):
creative, and so that includesin business.
So you know.
So if you can take these, thislevel of awareness, and put it
into business, you know it canbe great for coming up with new
ideas and strategies, but ormaintaining problems or problem
solving and stuff.
So, like I work with, you know,a number of entrepreneurs who
you know they probably wouldn'tcome on the show and say that
(17:12):
they use this stuff onthemselves, but they do it
personally and they interject itinto their business with some
great success, and it's apersonal growth process at the
same time.
Shireen Botha (17:22):
I mean, I love that.
I love that you brought that in.
Because my next question is youknow, you being an entrepreneur
and business owner yourselfwith the academy that you've
started, what would you saywould have been one of the
biggest struggles that you'vefaced on this?
Joseph Drumheller (17:43):
Okay, so let's go back 30 years to where
I started doing hypnotherapy andall this kind of weird stuff
way, way outside of the box.
It's even outside of the boxtoday.
So one of my biggest strugglesin doing this is that, because
it's outside of the box, it'snon-traditional.
My biggest challenge has beenmaking money.
So and that's not uncommon fora lot of healers, and so one is
because we don't possess all thepersonality traits necessary to
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be successful in business.
So many healers, they're highlysensitive, they're empathic and
they're introverted, so theydon't have the promotional
personality type.
They may not have the emotionaland mental toughness to get
through certain parts ofbusiness when you go through the
(18:25):
ups and downs or you have to dosome serious problem solving.
So that's a problem for a lotof healers, and so how I have
overcome it, it's just it's likeit's a.
It's one day at a time.
You know and keep focused onwhat it is you're doing and why
are you doing it, you know.
And so one thing about anybodyin business, especially healers,
(18:46):
it's like you know you alwayshear the need.
Well, you need to perseverebecause you know times are going
to get tough and at some pointyou're going to have to cut back
, you know, or you're going tohave to persevere through the
hard times.
Well, if you're born to do whatyou're doing, if it's your
mission in life, you don't needto persevere because you're
(19:06):
going to do it, no matter what,because it's what mission in
life.
You don't need to perseverebecause you're going to do it no
matter what, because it's whatyou're born to do.
So you know it can knock youdown flat, but you're still
going to do it.
Shireen Botha (19:14):
So you know, would that be your way?
Because that would be my nextquestion.
Absolutely, I can't stop.
Joseph Drumheller (19:21):
I couldn't stop if I wanted to.
I was born to do what I do, andthe nature component adds to it.
So it's like, you know, comewhatever I'm, you know, stick
with this to the end.
Plus, it's fascinating.
It's absolutely fascinating.
You know, and, and you can seehow other people that changes
their lives and and how it makesthem come alive and be the
fullest version, who, whothey're meant to be.
(19:42):
You know so, and and noteveryone's a healer.
So you can, I can, helpbusiness people, you know.
I can help athletes, you know,and stuff like that.
So it's just, I don't know, I'mhooked.
I've been in it for a long time.
Tanya Scotece (19:54):
It's fascinating, fascinating, just hearing your
journey.
So what would you say, though,joseph?
Is there a distinction betweenenergy healers and
hypnotherapists?
Yes, like.
Do you put them together?
Is yours more of ahypnotherapists?
Joseph Drumheller (20:07):
Like, yes, so yeah, there was a combined
field Mine's a combined, sothey're they're complementary
modalities.
So usually if I was to takesomeone who didn't know anything
I wanted to go to be thegreatest healer they could be, I
would take them throughhypnotherapy first, because
that's where you're going to.
When you learn to do it and youstart doing that other people,
you're going to have to gothrough your own healing process
and so you're going to beclearing out your suppressed
(20:30):
emotions from the past and allthat stuff.
And then you're going to beopen up to be this conduit and
then that's when I would starttraining you in energy healing,
because there's techniques youcan do to it.
Now, of course, not everybodydoes that.
Everyone does, has their ownway to go.
They might start with energyhealing and never do
hypnotherapy or vice versa.
But but hypnotherapy edit, andit in its purest and truest form
(20:51):
is a form of spiritual healing.
Now you won't hear that frompeople who just do it for weight
loss or, um, you know, quitsmoking or behavior modification
and stuff.
And then there might be somepeople who even teach
hypnotherapy, who wouldn'trecognize it as that either.
But my experience just becausemy journey has been very
spiritual from the get-go umhypnotherapy has naturally led
(21:15):
me into higher spiritual realms.
Right, and it's a naturalprogression in my experience
okay.
Tanya Scotece (21:26):
So, like you've touched on for example, so for
our listeners out there, forexample, athletes or people who
want to be athletes, maybe youknow, try hypnotherapy.
You've also tried people, youknow, maybe behavior
modifications you've tried.
I guess there's probably thetrauma component too, right,
people with PTSD or complex PTSD.
Joseph Drumheller (21:45):
Well, everybody has a form of PTSD,
everybody.
Everybody has experiencedtrauma when they're young and it
affects their behavior whenthey become adults.
It's from the suppressedemotion.
It could be.
You have problems inrelationships Like you get
divorced because of this personis treating you a certain way.
You get into your next marriageand this different person, but
(22:07):
they're still treating you thesame way.
So what?
That is telling you that,because it's a repeating pattern
, has nothing to do with theother person.
It's what's going on inside ofyou and so, and so everybody has
that.
That affects different parts oftheir lives.
You know it can be abandonmentissues, um, you know, not being
successful, repeating patterns,health issues, you, you know.
(22:28):
So it's like it's, it's, ithits.
Almost every everyone has it,has some repeating pattern at
some point where hypnotherapycould very likely help them.
Tanya Scotece (22:38):
You know would you say like a core belief, like
the core beliefs, like ittouches on our like, you know
those kind of core beliefs thatwe have like and people like,
for example, like people aren'tif you feel like I'm not good
enough, I'm not smart enough,I'm not, whatever, loved enough
or whatever, those fears does,that kind of um absolutely.
Joseph Drumheller (22:55):
So those, those beliefs are subconscious,
so we're not consciously awareof them.
And and so the, the um, the notgood enough.
The unworthiness is so huge inso many millions and millions of
people's lives that that wedon't achieve our potential
because of how we were beratedor treated as a child.
We just want to support, giventhe love that we needed.
(23:16):
You know, and that's not,that's not our parents' fault.
You know that happened to their, their parents and their
parents and their parents, asfar back as you want to go.
So you know, it's like it's justthe way it is, and so when
you're in that situation, theonly thing you can do is like to
take steps to heal yourself,and that's going to hurt
children, you know so.
You know so it's.
It hits us all.
You know we're all woundedpeople.
(23:37):
Yeah, on some level.
Tanya Scotece (23:39):
Trying to get home.
Shireen Botha (23:42):
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