August 9, 2025 • 24 mins
Angeline Gillings shares her journey from corporate leadership to becoming a "Business Archangel" who helps professionals achieve meaningful success while maintaining personal fulfillment. Her decision to start her own business was inspired by a profound moment watching a bird on a thin branch, teaching her to trust her own capabilities rather than external support systems.
Angeline Gillings
- Tel: +1 305 972 7751
- Website: www.ampgbusiness.com
- Email: angeline.gillings@gmail.com
- LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/angelinegillings
- YouTube: https://youtube.com/angelinegillings
• Angeline has over 30 years of corporate experience including roles as board director, managing director, and senior positions in marketing and innovation
• She describes herself as passionate, empathetic, and people-oriented with family as her core priority
• The quote "A bird sitting on a tree is never afraid of the branch but in its wings" became a pivotal inspiration for her entrepreneurial journey
• Her coaching philosophy balances business success with personal fulfillment - believing you need both to truly thrive
• She helps leaders and teams develop resilience, make smart decisions, and practice authentic leadership
• Originally from Jamaica, Angeline now lives in Miami and brings her diverse global experience to her coaching practice
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Voiceover (00:03):
Tales from the wild, stories from the heart.
A journey into the mind andsoul of fired up business
professionals, where they sharetheir vision for the future and
hear from a different non-profitorganization every month as
they create awareness of theirgoals and their needs.
Dive into a world of untamedpassion as we join our host,
(00:27):
Shireen Botha, for this month'sepisode of Friends from Wild
Places.
Shireen Botha (00:35):
All right, welcome.
Welcome.
You are listening to Shireenhere, your virtual boutique
bookkeeper and QuickBooksadvisor.
Are you running your businesswith just a CPA?
Well, think again, guys.
In today's fast-paced world,managing your finances goes
beyond just tax time.
Meet Shireen's BookkeepingServices.
(00:57):
That's me, your partner inseamless financial management.
We provide expert bookkeepingthat keeps your cash flow
healthy and your peace of mindintact.
With our tailored services,you'll save time, reduce stress
and gain insights that empoweryou to make informed decisions.
Now that's important.
(01:17):
Why settle for just compliancewhen you can thrive?
And here's a glimpse into thefuture.
I know AI-powered tools arerevolutionizing bookkeeping.
Imagine automated reports andpredictive analytics, giving you
a new edge in business.
So if you know business ownerswho rely solely on their CPA,
(01:42):
introduce us.
Or, more importantly, if that'syou, get a hold of me.
Let's take your financialmanagement to the next level,
because when your books aresmart, your business can soar.
Go, check me out at www.
shireensbookkeeping.
com and allow me to keep yourbooks clean so you don't have to
(02:04):
.
Shireen's Bookkeeping Servicesyour bookkeeper for the future.
Welcome back.
You are listening to Friendsfrom World Places with myself,
shireen, your host and myamazing co-host, Tanya Scotece.
Welcome, Hello, Tanya.
How are you doing?
Tanya Scotece (02:22):
Oh, doing great over here in the midst of the
heat in Miami.
So always and I think it'sopposite for you, shireen, right
it's, you're all snuggled up inyour jacket it's winter months
in South Africa.
Yeah, it's amazing, amazing thedifference.
So, yeah, super excited for ourpodcast this morning and super
(02:44):
excited for our guests.
So I'll turn it back to you,shireen.
Shireen Botha (02:47):
Well, thank you very much, Tanya.
Yes, I am in the winter timesat this moment in South Africa
for now.
And yes, Tanya is zooming infrom the very warm Miami, which
is pretty, pretty exciting.
I love Miami.
Very warm Miami, which ispretty, pretty exciting.
(03:10):
I love Miami.
Yeah, we have an amazing guestthis month that we're super
excited to introduce, but wecannot go any further without
chatting about our extra content.
Tanya, do you want to mentionto the listeners about the
subscription?
Tanya Scotece (03:22):
Sure.
So we have what we call ourbonus content, where it's
unedited raw material.
We dive deeper into subjectsthat maybe you want to know a
little bit more about, that arenot so family friendly.
So for just as little as $5 amonth, you can subscribe to our
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(03:43):
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the internet world or anythinglike that feel free to drop us a
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So that's what our subscriptionis, and share about our podcast
Friends from Wild Places withyour friends, colleagues,
(04:04):
businesses even team buildingexperiences.
Shireen Botha (04:12):
So back to you, shireen, love it.
Thank you, tanya.
Yes, so back to ourintroduction of Angeline
Gillingsby.
So excited to have her thismonth.
Angeline is a businessarchangel who empowers both
experienced professionals andstudent leaders to achieve
meaningful success.
She assists frustrated leadersand teams in delivering strong
results while remaining alignedwith their sense of fulfillment.
(04:35):
Through coaching, speaking andtraining, she provides
individuals with the mindset andtools to lead with clarity,
collaborate across variousenvironments and thrive under
pressure.
Her practical, people-centeredapproach emphasizes resilience,
smart decision-making andauthentic leadership.
(04:56):
Over a corporate careerspanning more than 30 years, she
has held a variety ofleadership and specialist roles,
including board director,managing director and senior
positions in marketing, productinnovation and quality control,
sure gaining deep insight frommulti-nationals and companies
(05:19):
with a global footprint.
So that's pretty exciting.
We're so happy and excited tohave you on the show with us,
angeline.
Welcome.
Angeline Gillings (05:28):
Thank you.
Thank you so much, happy to behere.
Yes, of course.
Shireen Botha (05:34):
We always like to start our series with a little
bit of quote of the day.
Well, today we're doing a quoteof the day which has been
inspired by Angeline herself.
So, Angeline, I'm going to saythe quote, but if you don't mind
sharing with the listeners whatit means to you and how it
inspired you.
So the quote is a bird sittingon a tree is never afraid of the
(05:58):
branch but in its wings, soalways believe in yourself.
I find that such a beautifulquote, Angeline, so please tell
us a little bit of what it meansto you and what inspired you.
Angeline Gillings (06:18):
Okay, so a little story behind that.
After leaving corporate, I umdeciding what, what I wanted to
do next.
I want I knew that I wanted tospend more time pouring into
others because in corporate wewere, you know, always um facing
the numbers and, uh, thedeliverables, and I thought
(06:42):
there was a gap for me in termsof how much I was able to
support and give back to thecommunity.
So I was in two minds Do I wantto go back in a structured
working environment nine to five, or do I want to start my own
business?
Typically, starting my ownbusiness was never under
(07:05):
consideration at all.
So I was sitting outside in mygarden and I looked up and I saw
this bird on the very, very tipof what I saw was the smallest,
thinnest limb on the treesmallest thinnest limb on the
tree and it was swaying becausethe bird, while it was small
(07:27):
relative to the limb, it was abig bird.
And I sat and I looked at thebird and I said why would this
bird go on the thinnest limb onthe tree when there are so many
other branches, et cetera?
I was at the very top lookingout, and I actually took a photo
because I was so intrigued byit, was it?
(07:50):
I just looked, I was intriguedwhy was a bird on this limb and
swaying, almost feeling, as I'mthinking, that it's going to
topple off the limb?
The limb about half an hour,within one hour, after someone
(08:11):
who I was speaking with in termsof my path going forward sent
me this quote and and I saidwhat this is so strange.
I just experienced seeing thisbird on the limb and and I was,
uh, really intrigued as to whatthis bird was doing on the
thinnest limb.
And then I got this quote andimmediately I thought that was a
(08:34):
message for me.
It was about trusting my wingsand and not the branches on
which I was sitting.
And another perspective wasthat the bird was on the highest
limb and looking out, and Ithink the bird had a kind of
(08:55):
viewpoint that was justexpansive and that also spoke to
me in terms of just, expandyour horizon, look beyond the
narrow boundaries that you'refamiliar with and look beyond,
look at these wider horizons.
And it inspired me and I mademy decision.
(09:16):
I was going to start mybusiness, wow.
Shireen Botha (09:20):
I love that.
That's amazing.
Well, listeners, if you don'tknow who said that quote, it was
Charlie Wardle is the personthat said that quote, and I
think it was very inspiringquote for everyone.
Actually, I actually was verytouched when I read that quote
and I thought that is so trueand I think we all need to learn
(09:45):
to believe in our own wings andnot in the branch that we're
balancing on, and I love that.
So, yes, thank you very much,angeline for that.
Listeners, you all know thatthis is the time of the podcast
where myself and Tanya, we are alittle bit of not a little bit.
(10:06):
We do enjoy true crime quite abit.
We love watching all theYouTube channels and following
the latest crimes that are goingon and seeing the outcomes.
So a few podcasts ago I can'tremember, when we spoke about
the Karen Reid case, she wasactually found not guilty.
(10:30):
I know we were between, we werereally in two minds of what was
going to happen to her, butyeah, she was actually found not
guilty.
So crazy about that.
But today we're not going totalk about that, about that.
But today we're not going totalk about that.
I the second thing that I reallyenjoy doing in my spare time
(10:52):
and watching when it comes tolike YouTube channels, is
definitely the paranormal sideof things and, quite frankly,
before ghost adventures becamethis massive commercialized
thing, I actually used to watchthem when they still had their
own little channel.
So if you don't know who I'mtalking about, ghost Adventures
(11:14):
are these few guys that go inand investigate houses that are
told to have some sort of spirit, you know good or evil,
whatever and then they go withall their tools to go and, you
know, scope out the house to seeif they can get any kind of
(11:38):
response back from these spiritsin the house.
And anyway, the the ghostadventures, which is starring
erin goodwin, was one of themembers of the team.
Um, they've become quitecommercialized now and they have
this show called ghostadventures, which I'm actually
not too sure what channel youcan find it on, but, um, it's
(12:00):
definitely on one of the mainchannels, on dstv or, uh, one of
the other channeling programs.
But aaron goodwin obviously thiscase centers around him and the
attempt on his life, but theattempt on his life was actually
by his own wife and his ownwife reached out to a very um,
(12:26):
one of the criminal guys thatwere behind jail, um, and I got
paid him to go and, uh, end thelaugh of her husband, which is
aaron goodwin I'm trying not tosay all the trigger words, but
it is what it is.
Um, so basically listeners.
Yeah.
So, victoria goodwin I'm tryingnot to say all the trigger
words, but it is what it is.
Um, so basically listeners.
(12:48):
Yeah.
So victoria goodwin is eringoodwin's wife.
Um, she was arrested in march oncharges of solicitation to
commit murder and conspiracy tocommit murder after authorities.
The authorities said shecommunicated with a florida
(13:09):
inmate last year and offered topay him more than eleven
thousand five hundred dollars ina plot to have her husband
murdered.
In april, prosecutors agreed todrop the solicitation charge in
exchange for her pleadingguilty to a charge of conspiracy
to commit murder.
Authorities unraveled themurder for hire plot when the
(13:32):
inmate's cell phone was seizedas contraband.
The inmate was identified asGrant Amato, who is serving a
life sentence for the murders ofhis parents and brother.
Amato killed his family afteran argument over his obsession
with a webcam model which hadcaused turmoil in the family for
(13:54):
months.
So basically, she was foundguilty and my biggest question
here is you know, I waslistening to her written apology
in front of everybody and Iwondered to myself you know, do
you?
(14:14):
And I'm asking you, ladies now,do you think her apology was
genuine, or do you think she'sjust sorry for being caught?
Because I don't know, I justdon't know.
But I'll give you my two-saidpiece now.
Angeline, do you want to tellus your thoughts?
Angeline Gillings (14:35):
Yeah, well, put it this way, when I saw her
reading her apology, it wastouching, it was moving, she was
very emotional and you can wellI got, could be easily caught
up with just feeling sorry forher.
But as I was listening to her,my own thoughts, ron, was just
(15:00):
this is just wickedness, thatwas it.
And I believe that her emotionsreading the apology et cetera,
was more about just being scaredand afraid of possibilities of
what was to come, and I don'tbelieve it was genuine.
(15:25):
I believe her attempt wasreally what she wanted.
It just happened to not haveworked and then it had become
embarrassing.
So, while she may feel sorry,it's why.
Why is she feeling sorry?
It's probably more because ofthe consequences of having been
(15:52):
caught.
So I don't think it was genuinefrom the sense that she was
sorry that she attempted, Ithink it's more because she got
caught, it didn't work out andshe was embarrassed and all the
other things.
So I don't believe it wasgenuine.
Shireen Botha (16:10):
Right, right, I mean, goodness sakes, if you're
so unhappy in the marriage, geta divorce.
Exactly.
Tanya Scotece (16:17):
Tanya what about you?
Yeah, no, I agree.
I agree with the conversationthis morning as far as just you
know, just disingenuous, and Ithink you know this is my
opinion, having studied incriminal forensics, criminal
justice, in the mortuary world,so I'm around dead bodies quite
a bit.
I've been around dead bodiessince I started mortuary in 2003
(16:39):
.
And I will share with you thatyou know.
There's a very interesting thingis if it's in the moment, like,
let's say, for example, in afleeting moment, somebody pulls
out something a gun, a knife orsomething and, you know, commits
murder, you almost canunderstand that moment.
As far as that, you know justthat anger, you know, cannot
(17:06):
regulate their own emotions,which is problematic as opposed
to a premeditated, step-by-step,the research, the conversations
that you know, when you seepeople on the internet Googling
ways to kill people and how arethey going to die and how long
does it take, and all theseextra types of add-ons, so to
speak.
So when you're havingconversations and planning
add-ons, so to speak.
So when you're havingconversations and planning, you
(17:27):
can actually stop at any time,right, you can actually stop.
So when you go through with it,in my opinion, people are,
they're upset because they gotcaught, and that's that's how I
I.
That was my takeaway from thespecific.
You know reading.
You know reading the, theletter, you know.
Another thing that I alwaysfind interesting is, you know,
sometimes I almost wonder ifthey even write their own letter
(17:48):
, because sometimes it's almostlike it doesn't even sound like
their own voice.
So I don't know.
That's another wholeconversation, but that's my two
cents.
Shireen Botha (17:57):
Right, I know you took the words right out of my
mouth, tanya I just feel likeshe tried everything.
She tried to say that you knowevery anything that she thought
that people wanted to hear,until she ran out of excuses and
she ran out of ideas of whatshe was gonna do and eventually
she was like okay, well, now I'mgonna spend time in jail.
(18:21):
And when she was reading fromthe letter, there was other than
the crocodile tears which, I'msorry, I just it was very like
there wasn't.
I didn't feel anything like Ijust sat there listening to her
and I really didn't feel anysort of an emotion towards her.
Um, so, yeah, I think, as Isaid, you know, I think she's
(18:46):
going to the right place andthere is enough time while she's
behind bars to change.
I'm not saying that you can'tchange.
You can and you can change yourlife, turn your life around and
make better decisions movingforward.
There's always space to becomea better person.
(19:07):
Moving forward, there's alwaysspace to become a better person.
So, um, I wish her all the bestand I hope that she really does
, uh, turn her life around andbecome a better person.
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Um, wonderful angeline.
First of all, I really wouldlove to know a little bit about
(20:33):
who you are, um, and let thelisteners know a little bit
about your background okay.
Angeline Gillings (20:40):
So I, I am passionate, I'm empathetic and
love people my family, mychildren, my granddaughter Now I
have a young granddaughter andmy extended family is my heart,
it's my everything, they're myeverything, my family.
(21:03):
I love working with people, andpart of the choice that I made
in terms of the work that I dohad to do with the fact that I
wanted not just to work withleaders, but with teams.
So I want teams to be engaged,to be collaborative, to be
(21:30):
supportive of each other.
I like peace, I like success,and so I would like to support
businesses, and my aim is tosupport businesses, emerging
leaders, to be their best self.
One of the things that I said tomyself as I was starting
(21:53):
business just based on my own,over 30 years of being in
corporate life and I mentionedearlier about chasing the
numbers and you know just alwaysgoing, going, going.
You know just always going,going, going.
One of the things that reallyguides me now, as I'm supporting
(22:20):
my you know my plans, is thatit's about thriving and being
successful in business, but yourpersonal fulfillment must be a
part of that, and it's somethingthat I'm not letting go.
Yes, we're going for thesuccess in the business, but the
success in business is not all.
It's about your personalfulfillment.
So you have to define that foryourself, you have to define
those boundaries and what drivesyou to to be happy, and that's
(22:47):
so important for me.
So, um, that's it in a nutshell.
Anything more about my um worklife, then we can talk a little
about it.
Shireen Botha (22:57):
But that's it in a quick nutshell um, angeline, I
can't put my finger on it.
Uh, your, where are youoriginally from?
Angeline Gillings (23:09):
I'm from Jamaica.
Yes, I'm from Jamaica, livingin Miami Florida, so I'm very
proud of my Jamaican roots.
Shireen Botha (23:21):
I love it Just shows you how we have visitors
that are entrepreneurs andbusiness owners from all over
the world, that have moved fromone place to another, that just
have genuinely unique journeysand inspiring stories to tell,
and Angeline is one of thosepeople.
Tanya Scotece (23:43):
So tune in next week for part two from Friends
from Wild Places.
Voiceover (23:50):
You've been listening to Friends from Wild Places
with Shireen Botha.
Be sure to subscribe to thepodcast from the links to catch
every episode and unleash yourpassion.
Tales from the wild, stories from the heart.
A journey into the mind andsoul of fired up business
professionals, where they sharetheir vision for the future and
hear from a different non-profitorganization every month as
they create awareness of theirgoals and their needs.
Dive into a world of untamedpassion as we join our host,
(00:27):
Shireen Botha, for this month'sepisode of Friends from Wild
Places.
Shireen Botha (00:35):
All right, welcome.
Welcome.
You are listening to Shireenhere, your virtual boutique
bookkeeper and QuickBooksadvisor.
Are you running your businesswith just a CPA?
Well, think again, guys.
In today's fast-paced world,managing your finances goes
beyond just tax time.
Meet Shireen's BookkeepingServices.
(00:57):
That's me, your partner inseamless financial management.
We provide expert bookkeepingthat keeps your cash flow
healthy and your peace of mindintact.
With our tailored services,you'll save time, reduce stress
and gain insights that empoweryou to make informed decisions.
Now that's important.
(01:17):
Why settle for just compliancewhen you can thrive?
And here's a glimpse into thefuture.
I know AI-powered tools arerevolutionizing bookkeeping.
Imagine automated reports andpredictive analytics, giving you
a new edge in business.
So if you know business ownerswho rely solely on their CPA,
(01:42):
introduce us.
Or, more importantly, if that'syou, get a hold of me.
Let's take your financialmanagement to the next level,
because when your books aresmart, your business can soar.
Go, check me out at www.
shireensbookkeeping.
com and allow me to keep yourbooks clean so you don't have to
(02:04):
.
Shireen's Bookkeeping Servicesyour bookkeeper for the future.
Welcome back.
You are listening to Friendsfrom World Places with myself,
shireen, your host and myamazing co-host, Tanya Scotece.
Welcome, Hello, Tanya.
How are you doing?
Tanya Scotece (02:22):
Oh, doing great over here in the midst of the
heat in Miami.
So always and I think it'sopposite for you, shireen, right
it's, you're all snuggled up inyour jacket it's winter months
in South Africa.
Yeah, it's amazing, amazing thedifference.
So, yeah, super excited for ourpodcast this morning and super
(02:44):
excited for our guests.
So I'll turn it back to you,shireen.
Shireen Botha (02:47):
Well, thank you very much, Tanya.
Yes, I am in the winter timesat this moment in South Africa
for now.
And yes, Tanya is zooming infrom the very warm Miami, which
is pretty, pretty exciting.
I love Miami.
Very warm Miami, which ispretty, pretty exciting.
(03:10):
I love Miami.
Yeah, we have an amazing guestthis month that we're super
excited to introduce, but wecannot go any further without
chatting about our extra content.
Tanya, do you want to mentionto the listeners about the
subscription?
Tanya Scotece (03:22):
Sure.
So we have what we call ourbonus content, where it's
unedited raw material.
We dive deeper into subjectsthat maybe you want to know a
little bit more about, that arenot so family friendly.
So for just as little as $5 amonth, you can subscribe to our
additional content and get allthe scoop.
(03:43):
You can also request topics, soif there's something that you
just want to know more about,maybe you can't find it out in
the internet world or anythinglike that feel free to drop us a
line and we'd be happy tocollaborate more on the topic of
your choice.
So that's what our subscriptionis, and share about our podcast
Friends from Wild Places withyour friends, colleagues,
(04:04):
businesses even team buildingexperiences.
Shireen Botha (04:12):
So back to you, shireen, love it.
Thank you, tanya.
Yes, so back to ourintroduction of Angeline
Gillingsby.
So excited to have her thismonth.
Angeline is a businessarchangel who empowers both
experienced professionals andstudent leaders to achieve
meaningful success.
She assists frustrated leadersand teams in delivering strong
results while remaining alignedwith their sense of fulfillment.
(04:35):
Through coaching, speaking andtraining, she provides
individuals with the mindset andtools to lead with clarity,
collaborate across variousenvironments and thrive under
pressure.
Her practical, people-centeredapproach emphasizes resilience,
smart decision-making andauthentic leadership.
(04:56):
Over a corporate careerspanning more than 30 years, she
has held a variety ofleadership and specialist roles,
including board director,managing director and senior
positions in marketing, productinnovation and quality control,
sure gaining deep insight frommulti-nationals and companies
(05:19):
with a global footprint.
So that's pretty exciting.
We're so happy and excited tohave you on the show with us,
angeline.
Welcome.
Angeline Gillings (05:28):
Thank you.
Thank you so much, happy to behere.
Yes, of course.
Shireen Botha (05:34):
We always like to start our series with a little
bit of quote of the day.
Well, today we're doing a quoteof the day which has been
inspired by Angeline herself.
So, Angeline, I'm going to saythe quote, but if you don't mind
sharing with the listeners whatit means to you and how it
inspired you.
So the quote is a bird sittingon a tree is never afraid of the
(05:58):
branch but in its wings, soalways believe in yourself.
I find that such a beautifulquote, Angeline, so please tell
us a little bit of what it meansto you and what inspired you.
Angeline Gillings (06:18):
Okay, so a little story behind that.
After leaving corporate, I umdeciding what, what I wanted to
do next.
I want I knew that I wanted tospend more time pouring into
others because in corporate wewere, you know, always um facing
the numbers and, uh, thedeliverables, and I thought
(06:42):
there was a gap for me in termsof how much I was able to
support and give back to thecommunity.
So I was in two minds Do I wantto go back in a structured
working environment nine to five, or do I want to start my own
business?
Typically, starting my ownbusiness was never under
(07:05):
consideration at all.
So I was sitting outside in mygarden and I looked up and I saw
this bird on the very, very tipof what I saw was the smallest,
thinnest limb on the treesmallest thinnest limb on the
tree and it was swaying becausethe bird, while it was small
(07:27):
relative to the limb, it was abig bird.
And I sat and I looked at thebird and I said why would this
bird go on the thinnest limb onthe tree when there are so many
other branches, et cetera?
I was at the very top lookingout, and I actually took a photo
because I was so intrigued byit, was it?
(07:50):
I just looked, I was intriguedwhy was a bird on this limb and
swaying, almost feeling, as I'mthinking, that it's going to
topple off the limb?
The limb about half an hour,within one hour, after someone
(08:11):
who I was speaking with in termsof my path going forward sent
me this quote and and I saidwhat this is so strange.
I just experienced seeing thisbird on the limb and and I was,
uh, really intrigued as to whatthis bird was doing on the
thinnest limb.
And then I got this quote andimmediately I thought that was a
(08:34):
message for me.
It was about trusting my wingsand and not the branches on
which I was sitting.
And another perspective wasthat the bird was on the highest
limb and looking out, and Ithink the bird had a kind of
(08:55):
viewpoint that was justexpansive and that also spoke to
me in terms of just, expandyour horizon, look beyond the
narrow boundaries that you'refamiliar with and look beyond,
look at these wider horizons.
And it inspired me and I mademy decision.
(09:16):
I was going to start mybusiness, wow.
Shireen Botha (09:20):
I love that.
That's amazing.
Well, listeners, if you don'tknow who said that quote, it was
Charlie Wardle is the personthat said that quote, and I
think it was very inspiringquote for everyone.
Actually, I actually was verytouched when I read that quote
and I thought that is so trueand I think we all need to learn
(09:45):
to believe in our own wings andnot in the branch that we're
balancing on, and I love that.
So, yes, thank you very much,angeline for that.
Listeners, you all know thatthis is the time of the podcast
where myself and Tanya, we are alittle bit of not a little bit.
(10:06):
We do enjoy true crime quite abit.
We love watching all theYouTube channels and following
the latest crimes that are goingon and seeing the outcomes.
So a few podcasts ago I can'tremember, when we spoke about
the Karen Reid case, she wasactually found not guilty.
(10:30):
I know we were between, we werereally in two minds of what was
going to happen to her, butyeah, she was actually found not
guilty.
So crazy about that.
But today we're not going totalk about that, about that.
But today we're not going totalk about that.
I the second thing that I reallyenjoy doing in my spare time
(10:52):
and watching when it comes tolike YouTube channels, is
definitely the paranormal sideof things and, quite frankly,
before ghost adventures becamethis massive commercialized
thing, I actually used to watchthem when they still had their
own little channel.
So if you don't know who I'mtalking about, ghost Adventures
(11:14):
are these few guys that go inand investigate houses that are
told to have some sort of spirit, you know good or evil,
whatever and then they go withall their tools to go and, you
know, scope out the house to seeif they can get any kind of
(11:38):
response back from these spiritsin the house.
And anyway, the the ghostadventures, which is starring
erin goodwin, was one of themembers of the team.
Um, they've become quitecommercialized now and they have
this show called ghostadventures, which I'm actually
not too sure what channel youcan find it on, but, um, it's
(12:00):
definitely on one of the mainchannels, on dstv or, uh, one of
the other channeling programs.
But aaron goodwin obviously thiscase centers around him and the
attempt on his life, but theattempt on his life was actually
by his own wife and his ownwife reached out to a very um,
(12:26):
one of the criminal guys thatwere behind jail, um, and I got
paid him to go and, uh, end thelaugh of her husband, which is
aaron goodwin I'm trying not tosay all the trigger words, but
it is what it is.
Um, so basically listeners.
Yeah.
So, victoria goodwin I'm tryingnot to say all the trigger
words, but it is what it is.
Um, so basically listeners.
(12:48):
Yeah.
So victoria goodwin is eringoodwin's wife.
Um, she was arrested in march oncharges of solicitation to
commit murder and conspiracy tocommit murder after authorities.
The authorities said shecommunicated with a florida
(13:09):
inmate last year and offered topay him more than eleven
thousand five hundred dollars ina plot to have her husband
murdered.
In april, prosecutors agreed todrop the solicitation charge in
exchange for her pleadingguilty to a charge of conspiracy
to commit murder.
Authorities unraveled themurder for hire plot when the
(13:32):
inmate's cell phone was seizedas contraband.
The inmate was identified asGrant Amato, who is serving a
life sentence for the murders ofhis parents and brother.
Amato killed his family afteran argument over his obsession
with a webcam model which hadcaused turmoil in the family for
(13:54):
months.
So basically, she was foundguilty and my biggest question
here is you know, I waslistening to her written apology
in front of everybody and Iwondered to myself you know, do
you?
(14:14):
And I'm asking you, ladies now,do you think her apology was
genuine, or do you think she'sjust sorry for being caught?
Because I don't know, I justdon't know.
But I'll give you my two-saidpiece now.
Angeline, do you want to tellus your thoughts?
Angeline Gillings (14:35):
Yeah, well, put it this way, when I saw her
reading her apology, it wastouching, it was moving, she was
very emotional and you can wellI got, could be easily caught
up with just feeling sorry forher.
But as I was listening to her,my own thoughts, ron, was just
(15:00):
this is just wickedness, thatwas it.
And I believe that her emotionsreading the apology et cetera,
was more about just being scaredand afraid of possibilities of
what was to come, and I don'tbelieve it was genuine.
(15:25):
I believe her attempt wasreally what she wanted.
It just happened to not haveworked and then it had become
embarrassing.
So, while she may feel sorry,it's why.
Why is she feeling sorry?
It's probably more because ofthe consequences of having been
(15:52):
caught.
So I don't think it was genuinefrom the sense that she was
sorry that she attempted, Ithink it's more because she got
caught, it didn't work out andshe was embarrassed and all the
other things.
So I don't believe it wasgenuine.
Shireen Botha (16:10):
Right, right, I mean, goodness sakes, if you're
so unhappy in the marriage, geta divorce.
Exactly.
Tanya Scotece (16:17):
Tanya what about you?
Yeah, no, I agree.
I agree with the conversationthis morning as far as just you
know, just disingenuous, and Ithink you know this is my
opinion, having studied incriminal forensics, criminal
justice, in the mortuary world,so I'm around dead bodies quite
a bit.
I've been around dead bodiessince I started mortuary in 2003
(16:39):
.
And I will share with you thatyou know.
There's a very interesting thingis if it's in the moment, like,
let's say, for example, in afleeting moment, somebody pulls
out something a gun, a knife orsomething and, you know, commits
murder, you almost canunderstand that moment.
As far as that, you know justthat anger, you know, cannot
(17:06):
regulate their own emotions,which is problematic as opposed
to a premeditated, step-by-step,the research, the conversations
that you know, when you seepeople on the internet Googling
ways to kill people and how arethey going to die and how long
does it take, and all theseextra types of add-ons, so to
speak.
So when you're havingconversations and planning
add-ons, so to speak.
So when you're havingconversations and planning, you
(17:27):
can actually stop at any time,right, you can actually stop.
So when you go through with it,in my opinion, people are,
they're upset because they gotcaught, and that's that's how I
I.
That was my takeaway from thespecific.
You know reading.
You know reading the, theletter, you know.
Another thing that I alwaysfind interesting is, you know,
sometimes I almost wonder ifthey even write their own letter
(17:48):
, because sometimes it's almostlike it doesn't even sound like
their own voice.
So I don't know.
That's another wholeconversation, but that's my two
cents.
Shireen Botha (17:57):
Right, I know you took the words right out of my
mouth, tanya I just feel likeshe tried everything.
She tried to say that you knowevery anything that she thought
that people wanted to hear,until she ran out of excuses and
she ran out of ideas of whatshe was gonna do and eventually
she was like okay, well, now I'mgonna spend time in jail.
(18:21):
And when she was reading fromthe letter, there was other than
the crocodile tears which, I'msorry, I just it was very like
there wasn't.
I didn't feel anything like Ijust sat there listening to her
and I really didn't feel anysort of an emotion towards her.
Um, so, yeah, I think, as Isaid, you know, I think she's
(18:46):
going to the right place andthere is enough time while she's
behind bars to change.
I'm not saying that you can'tchange.
You can and you can change yourlife, turn your life around and
make better decisions movingforward.
There's always space to becomea better person.
(19:07):
Moving forward, there's alwaysspace to become a better person.
So, um, I wish her all the bestand I hope that she really does
, uh, turn her life around andbecome a better person.
Um, and then, on saying that, Iwould love to just pop in with
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So, buzzsprout, let's createsomething new together.
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Um, wonderful angeline.
First of all, I really wouldlove to know a little bit about
(20:33):
who you are, um, and let thelisteners know a little bit
about your background okay.
Angeline Gillings (20:40):
So I, I am passionate, I'm empathetic and
love people my family, mychildren, my granddaughter Now I
have a young granddaughter andmy extended family is my heart,
it's my everything, they're myeverything, my family.
(21:03):
I love working with people, andpart of the choice that I made
in terms of the work that I dohad to do with the fact that I
wanted not just to work withleaders, but with teams.
So I want teams to be engaged,to be collaborative, to be
(21:30):
supportive of each other.
I like peace, I like success,and so I would like to support
businesses, and my aim is tosupport businesses, emerging
leaders, to be their best self.
One of the things that I said tomyself as I was starting
(21:53):
business just based on my own,over 30 years of being in
corporate life and I mentionedearlier about chasing the
numbers and you know just alwaysgoing, going, going.
You know just always going,going, going.
One of the things that reallyguides me now, as I'm supporting
(22:20):
my you know my plans, is thatit's about thriving and being
successful in business, but yourpersonal fulfillment must be a
part of that, and it's somethingthat I'm not letting go.
Yes, we're going for thesuccess in the business, but the
success in business is not all.
It's about your personalfulfillment.
So you have to define that foryourself, you have to define
those boundaries and what drivesyou to to be happy, and that's
(22:47):
so important for me.
So, um, that's it in a nutshell.
Anything more about my um worklife, then we can talk a little
about it.
Shireen Botha (22:57):
But that's it in a quick nutshell um, angeline, I
can't put my finger on it.
Uh, your, where are youoriginally from?
Angeline Gillings (23:09):
I'm from Jamaica.
Yes, I'm from Jamaica, livingin Miami Florida, so I'm very
proud of my Jamaican roots.
Shireen Botha (23:21):
I love it Just shows you how we have visitors
that are entrepreneurs andbusiness owners from all over
the world, that have moved fromone place to another, that just
have genuinely unique journeysand inspiring stories to tell,
and Angeline is one of thosepeople.
Tanya Scotece (23:43):
So tune in next week for part two from Friends
from Wild Places.
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