August 3, 2024 • 42 mins
Welcome to another thrilling episode of Fright Talk with the Fright Talk guys! In today's discussion, we delve into a topic we've surprisingly not covered in detail before: alien encounters and abductions. Brother N.T. and I are excited to explore this broad yet specific subject, touching on the nuances, beliefs, and stigmas surrounding extraterrestrial phenomena.
We start by defining what alien encounters and abductions entail, sharing insights from quick online searches and personal reflections. From rural abduction stories to the potential for urban encounters, we question why these phenomena seem more prevalent in less populated areas and ponder whether time lapses could be forms of abductions.
Our conversation expands into the impact of Hollywood on our perceptions of aliens, drawing from classic and modern films like "E.T.," "Close Encounters of the Third Kind," "Independence Day," and "The Thing." We also touch on real-life accounts, such as a couple's personal abduction story and the broader implications of these encounters on society.
Join us as we navigate through theories, personal anecdotes, and cultural references, contemplating whether humanity is ready for a greater acknowledgment of extraterrestrial existence. This episode is a blend of curiosity, skepticism, and open-minded exploration of one of the most intriguing aspects of the unknown.
We invite you to share your thoughts and experiences with us on social media or via email. Until next time, stay curious and keep exploring the mysteries of the universe with Fright Talk!
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Music.
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Hello, world. Welcome back to another exciting episode of Fright Talk with us, the Fright Talk guys.
Really excited to be here with you today to talk about this next topic because
we, after much conversation, we realized we hadn't covered it.
Or if we did, we didn't cover it in the magnitude that we promised to do so today.
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So thank you so much for being here today. And And Brother N.T.,
my twin of Fright Talk, guys, welcome, my brother. How are you?
I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I'm excited about today's topic.
It's broad, but it's also specific.
We're talking about alien encounters, including alien abductions,
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and there's a stigma to it, right?
And there's so much to go through. And, you know, our listeners already know
what aliens and alien abductions and what that encompasses.
But there's a nuance to it that some people think that there is no life outside
of this earth, and some people believe that there is.
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And with that comes the whole belief system of, well, this person must be crazy
because I don't believe that anything exists outside of our planet, and so on and so forth.
So I'm really interested to dive into this topic because there's so many different
avenues that we could explore with it.
Indeed. In fact, to start us off, I think it's important for our listeners to
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understand what is an alien encounter or abduction.
So when we look at it, and I just did a quick Google here, folks,
so you could do this too. Thank you, Google and AI.
An alien abduction is when people claim to have been abducted by extraterrestrial
beings and subjected to physical and psychological experimentation.
And people who claim to have been abducted are often called abductees or experiencers
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versus the alien encounter is maybe you weren't abducted or taken away or experimented upon,
but you saw or experienced something. same.
Or you weren't removed from your environment, but the alien which was foreign
became known to you in the space you were in or the circumstance that would otherwise not be.
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Common for something that's beyond human.
And so as a result, I think these alien encounters and abductions,
however you wish to look at them, I think it's quite fascinating.
And I'll tell you why people are quick to say that an alien abduction,
oh, they happen only in rural spaces.
That they're only in rural spaces. And then I got a twist on that.
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I said, well, why not in spaces that are very progressive? Because there's so many people.
And if an alien wanted to take someone, it would be somewhat easier to get access
to people in many spaces because so many people are milling about.
And for someone to disappear, there are disappearing stories or occurrences.
People who can't be discovered to this day and have just walked or wiped away
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from the face of the earth. I wonder if there are any alien encounters or abductions
that are attributed to that.
That's a good point. I'm curious as to if maybe the reason is,
and I agree with you, a lot of alien abductions or encounters happen in rural areas,
and maybe perhaps the reason they don't happen as often in the cities or highly
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populated areas is because.
Perhaps it's an easier way for an abduction to happen if somebody is accident.
If you are, if it's an alien abduction in a city,
you're going to have a lot more
witnesses and a lot more people and just generally just a lot more eyes,
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a lot more attention where, you know, in an alien abduction somewhere in a rural
area, somebody could be out fishing at night, hunting, camping.
They took the wrong turn off of a road. And who's to say that the person wasn't
drinking or this and that?
I find it that in rural areas, it's easier to write off why an abduction happened,
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whereas in a highly populated area like the city, there's just too many of them.
Yeah, that's true. That's a very good perspective.
When I think about these alien abductions, especially, I think about body dysmorphia and extreme horror.
Or maybe it's because Hollywood has influenced, for instance,
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classic movies from E.T.
To Close Encounters for the Third Kind, where there was this abduction.
This you know well not an et but et wanted to hang out
with us but in the other the latter there was this
interest in human species and i
the idea that we can be harmed or hurt
or inspected is very violating and intrusive and it kind of like teeters on
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the fence of like body dysmorphia and extreme horror actually that that pushes
that boundary even though everything is happening internally,
you're still feeling violated,
you're still being taken advantage of, and there's nothing you can do to stop
the pain or the intrusion.
So it's very interesting how alien abductions and alien encounters,
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especially the abduction part, really keeps it in that little fine line between
those two realities, but there's still other qualities, as we know,
that make them more distinct.
Well, what do you think, Billy, is, because you had mentioned what the definition
that Google gave of an alien abduction,
but would a lapse in time also be considered an alien abduction?
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It is. If somebody is driving and then they all of a sudden they look and 10
minutes have passed, would that be some form of abduction?
Or the point that somebody brought to my wife and I in a show was that they
say when you walk into a room, you forgot something.
It was a momentary lapse of abduction. They told us at a UFO conference that we went to.
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Would you consider a time lapse a form of maybe perhaps an abduction?
I would agree. I agree. I appreciate. Tell Lady T, Lady Fright Talk that we
are, she's spot on there.
And it makes me kind of wonder now, you know, this whole notion of time lapse.
Again, let me not look at Hollywood, but thank you, Will Smith and Men in Black.
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The idea of these aliens, oh, you saw something that you shouldn't have seen. You're gone.
And that was happening from the human side to keep us protected.
But that is a genius idea to incorporate in a movie. Where did they get that?
So it makes me think of those Roswell cases and all of those other phenomena
that have come up, even the disappearance of flights.
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There are just records and accounts of things that we just don't quite understand.
So when we see these unidentified flying objects, UFOs, what are they?
There's so many things. So I think that there could be, there is that time warping
and that time lapse that you just got me thinking there. Cause even right now,
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maybe we're having one now.
Like I, as I think I'm thinking about time and if an alien all,
you know, the assumption is they only have limited time to get what they want.
Just like we do too, when we're doing experimental things. So it makes sense.
I'm always wondering, I guess because the universe is so vast,
the planet, as far as we know, that only has life on it is Earth.
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From our own interpretation, the planets that we know are in the order they
are. We're always looking at it from a human point of view.
But what if there is something else, something else that has yet to tap us in
another space or time or even a void that is quite not far?
I think this is possible. Well, you mentioned a good point when we're talking
about time and they have to get back.
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You know, time for us is a construct of man.
We have hours and minutes and seconds and days and months. That's constructed by man. It is.
We don't know if extraterrestrial life functions in the same.
Basically, I don't believe they function on our schedule.
I do believe, and let me say this for our audience. I do believe that aliens exist.
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I do believe in unidentified flying objects because I think it is arrogant to
believe that there's nothing else out there and we're the smartest beings in the galaxy.
I think that's a very arrogant perspective.
But perhaps time doesn't move the same.
And what feels like a short amount of time to us is actually a vast amount of
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time for extraterrestrials or UFOs.
The notion of time is so specific, it also helps us keep record and keep order.
So what if we remove the aspects of time, right? Human time,
human time, from the equation?
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Well, then maybe that could be the very factor or one of the variables that
these aliens are looking at.
Why are humans so fascinated on time?
Why are they so interested in power and greed and other vices, perhaps?
Why are they so fascinated with understanding other species beyond their own kind, right?
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There could be a fascination to learn, just like we are with other things that are not like us.
So it's, and then I go back to the notion of life beyond planet Earth.
We go out there in all kinds of...
Through exploratory physics, through astronomers and space work.
And people always say, well, why are we funding this? Why are we doing this?
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And even more importantly, why haven't we seen something out there?
Maybe it's already seen us.
Humankind's devices can only go so far and keep us only so safe.
What if there's another species that could trump us and really give us a run
for our own money and understanding our own existence?
So I agree with you. I think there's something more there that perhaps it does
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and i don't want to look at it as scary i don't want to talk about it from that
point of view but it's kind of fun to do so because movies don't help i know
movies don't help but they also do inform they help us inform that we are we
make we're not alone folks.
Yeah yeah and you know the there you know there was project blue boat for the
air force when they would see a ufo and stuff like that and and folks i encourage
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you to look up Project Little Book and what it was and all that.
But Men in Black was a thing.
Like, that did exist. People that saw things that they believed to be an unidentified
flying object or an alien encounter because they were fishing at midnight in
their canoe on a pond with the full moon.
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I just painted a really gruesome picture in there. I'm like, an ominous picture.
But these people would state that they saw something, thing,
and then they get a visitor or visitors saying, no, that's not really what you saw.
And you're not telling people that's what you saw.
You made it be deemed as crazy.
And of course, nobody wants to be especially, and we're talking about the time
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of the 50s, 60s, nobody wants to be deemed as crazy.
Oh, that person saw something, you know, saw an alien or this and that.
So there was a systematic approach to.
Make people believe that if they saw
for a long time that if they saw something or had some
sort of otherworldly experience that they
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were mentally unwell which is
you know which is unfair because think about how many people experience something
and then had to keep it in and not share it now we do i acknowledge that there's
people that have done throughout time a bunch of hoaxes when it when it comes
to aliens and alien encounters.
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There's countless people that have said that they've said something that they
didn't, but I don't believe everybody is lying about it either.
As far as a scary aspect, I don't know.
You know, you see, you mentioned E.T., so you get the friendly E.T.,
but then there's always like Independence Day.
Yes, which that, that was 6-6-96?
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What was it? It was 4, because it was the Independence Day. It was on July 4th.
July. Oh, that's right. That's right. That's right.
It was July 4th. That's right. Of 96.
I think it was. Right. Oh, my gosh. I remember I went to the movies to see it.
So did I. And I saw the day it was released.
And this was before social media, folks. So for those of you who are younger
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generations, there was light before, you know, social media.
And I'm not criticizing.
You got to understand how that really had an impact on
society because it brought in all worldviews when
these spaceships arrived and docked in
different atmospheres around the the
globe and for once humanity had to
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unite to fight to survive what
a great concept i still love that movie i enjoyed it so much i in fact maybe
about three years ago during you know post covid i saw it online that movie
transformed the game in terms of what an alien can look like but but nadine
can i let me ask this then so then what would you classify we say an alien encounter
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Let's look at it from the encounter standpoint.
Would the movie It be an alien related?
Or the thing, not it, the thing. Oh, the thing. The thing. Oh,
with the, in Antarctica.
Yeah, in Antarctica. Yeah. Would that be alien categorized? I think so.
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I think so. I don't, I mean, yeah, I guess it would be.
Wouldn't it? Because you have this otherworldly presence there.
And, you know, we're talking about these, you know, we talk about Independence
Day and And we talk about that idea of, hey, you've got to unite and put aside differences.
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And we all know as mankind, we have a lot of pretty differences.
But you think back to, I don't recall the year, but you remember,
you and I weren't alive then. So let me say this, but we know the story.
You recall the story of Orson Welles reading War of the Worlds on the radio.
Absolutely. And people interpreted it as an actual Martian attack and people went hysterical.
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And then they accused orson welles of you know trying to commit a hoax and he's
like listen in the beginning of the show i said i was reading from a book if
you turn it tuned in in the middle,
that's that's not on me but also you consider the source at this time radio
was everything radio was your news it was your entertainment because they had
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shows it's how you would hear sports you turn on the radio at that time you
hear about aliens attacking and then people going crazy outside their house.
Oh, I saw little green men and this and that.
And, you know, it gives that idea of, you know, Billy, if mankind were to see,
if mankind were to see aliens, if aliens actually visited in the masses.
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I don't think human beings are ready for that. I'm going to be honest with you.
I mean, it all started when people were fighting for toilet paper. Yeah.
Maybe aliens started that. No, but you're right.
You're right. I mean, think about that. You make a good point there.
The idea that if you, we're not ready to see it because we got our own things.
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And that makes me wonder, then why study us?
If we're being abducted and studied. Well, maybe we want to study that so that
we don't create this history elsewhere in another species.
That makes lots of sense, right? When we look at the understanding of science
and history and why they so much matter.
I'm curious, though, when I think when people look at aliens.
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Okay, I'm going to go down the rabbit hole here with some other movies associated with aliens.
I mentioned the thing. Okay, gremlins.
Is the gremlins, they're aliens? I would consider them aliens.
Okay so i'll throw out another one what were those little things they were oh
gosh they weren't goodies they were like little things that were rolled up in little balls,
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and they came from outer space well killer clowns from
outer space they were like there's another one there killer clowns
out of space is another example which by the way
i heard they're making a series on yeah they're making
a series on it yep yeah i'm hearing and that
is hard and that's the the other thing with technology and like
with radio being the powerful tool and power communication
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back in the day now we have social media we have the internet the internet is
the most viable right and then with its twin ai or the child birth out of internet
right you get ai now it really tries to advance things and i'm wondering okay
humans did we create this stuff.
We created it, at least as far as we know. Or did we borrow?
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Or maybe someone who was abducted came back and just got enlightened a little
bit more and was able to create these constructs that we're now beginning to enjoy.
So all rhetorical questions, but the point here is this, folks.
I think sometimes we fear the thing that we cannot understand.
And that means it becomes foreign. It is alien to us.
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And so there is where we begin to
understand that is in that acknowledgement that we begin to
bridge the divide and i think that may be so scary may
not be so scary after all yeah i you know
i met a couple and it was not in
a in an alien conference but i met a
couple and very nice couple and they were talking to me
and he had alien tattoos and uh there was
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a sign on the table that had the image of
a gray alien and it said alien under and he approached me and he said i'd like
you to know that that's an offensive term they don't like that term and i said
they well they they haven't said anything to me who is they he said well they prefer.
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The term extraterrestrial and i said and how would you know that you know because
at this point i'm just kind of being sarcastic i'm you know because what an
odd thing to say to me right,
he said well i was abducted by an alien i said okay and he said and so was my wife.
And i said well tell me that story because if you're gonna
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tell me listen this is the same thing as
if you told me i saw mothman if you saw mothman i don't care what i'm doing
i'm gonna drop it because i want to hear the story so i said tell me that story
and he says he was driving i I believe it was somewhere in Arizona and he was
driving with his wife and she was the passenger. He was the driver.
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There was a time lapse that we discussed time lapse.
And before he knew it, he was somewhere else in his life. They didn't know how they got there.
They both had remembered different scenes of being on a table.
You know, like an alien hanging over them and stuff. And he said, and they chipped me.
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What do you mean they chipped you? And he proceeded to lift his pant leg and
showed me what looked like a bun right above his ankle.
And I was like, yeah, okay. You know, I'm thinking to myself,
go to a dermatologist. You know what I'm saying? Like, I mean,
you know, that's the logical part of it.
But then he said, my wife was with me. And she has one too.
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And the wife showed me her. And it looked exactly like it.
Now, I found that so intriguing only because that is the first individual I've met that ever.
That's the only people I've ever met that said that they have been abducted by a.
You know, I've heard stories. People have been abducted by aliens and they had
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some sort of medical condition.
And somehow that medical condition gets fixed after their abduction or whatever
the case is. But I found it very interesting because he was very serious about
not calling an alien an alien.
To call it an extraterrestrial, it came out of a place, I don't want to use
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the term fear, but the term respect.
Well, I like it. And that makes sense. I mean, that could be considered a form.
His experience could be traumatic.
He and his wife are able to come back and function the way they do, but they are very aware.
And like you said the idea of being chipped means that you can be logged you're
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logged and you can also be tracked and now you got me thinking about the Arizona
notion I remember reading in an article that.
The West Coast is more likely to have sightings of UFOs or alien encounters or abductions.
And part of that is because of atmospheric aspects. For instance,
the notion that the skies are darker.
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We have light. Like where you and I are, we're on the East Coast.
And the more south you are, it gets dark late in the summers, right?
The days are longer. So therefore, if I want to abduct or visit,
I need to do it with a little bit more obscurity, and night helps provide that.
So that kind of makes sense. And then even more so, the hotbed for you,
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like Area 51, remember the classic there?
I mean, all these things are on the West Coast. They're westbound.
And I thought it was so interesting that this article in particular just really
reinforced that idea. I'm like, oh, wait a minute.
So then, wait a minute. So then Seattle has dark skies. It rains a lot sometimes
in Seattle, Washington.
I've been there and it's like, oh my gosh, it's like, does it ever end?
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It also has dark sky days.
And I'm thinking, hmm, it's also on the West Coast. So it's like,
look at all these other aspects.
I'm wondering if there's something to that. So just a thought there,
the fact that he mentioned that.
And And the fact that he had a courage when he spoke to you about it,
was his wife with you when he spoke about it? It was just you and a wife?
His wife was with him. Did she also share some encounters too?
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It was just that one encounter. Just that one?
Yes. He did show me the leg that was chipped and she corroborated his story
because they were in the car together.
And, you know, I try to be very respectful of people and their,
I don't know people's experience.
I'm not on knowing if somebody says
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hey this is what I experienced you know unless it's something very outlandish
like I saw a unicorn fight Loch Ness Monster I'm not going to ridicule anybody
or anything like that they clearly experienced something they clearly both had the same mark,
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and they both were genuinely and Lee.
Respectful of it it wasn't like
a hee hee ha ha it was like yes this happened
to me and it happened in this day in this
time you know so on and so forth so i don't know and i think some people want
to hear those stories that some people don't want to hear those stories i think
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that there's a lot of people that just don't believe in extraterrestrials and
don't in ufo or if they They think that it's an unidentified flying object,
that perhaps it's just a rocket or a project or something military or political
in nature, and not necessarily something otherworld.
And the more we see it, Nadim, in the media, I think the more it begins to make sense.
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Like, for instance, it's very common now for us to watch a major network,
and they'll say there's this unidentified flying object that was spotted over
Miami or over California or Georgia.
And it's mentioned in the nightly news.
And I think what happens is as people begin to, we haven't seen that before, by the way.
I was in a recent decade, that's become very popular and more accepting,
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which means the more you see things, the more it begins to transfer people's,
or I should say, transform people's notions of what is real versus what is not.
I think it begins to make people become less skeptical.
And I learned that it's over 100,000 sightings. I mean, in America since 2000.
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I was like, that's crazy. And that's amazing at the same time too.
And this is not UFO folks. They don't, this is, it's UFO reporting,
but it's more than just seeing something.
This is all types of encounters, but primarily those that were logged as unidentifying
flying objects biologics via the maps of our federal records in the federal
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spaces that govern the atmospheres.
And so I think that's pretty notable to say there. And that's only been 20 years,
folks, 20 plus years that we're talking here.
Billy, are you under the impression, and I'm not, you know, the way I think
of it, I think of extraterrestrials or aliens the way I do in that there's probably
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different species of extraterrestrial.
And do you believe that anywhere in your mind, do you believe that any aliens
have, when they are observing us or abduction,
have sinister goals for humankind or towards the people, at least,
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that they're having these encounters with?
I would say no. And that's a really good question.
Because if they did, then they would have already accomplished that.
And if they've done it, then they've hit it and it's been out of view so much
that we don't know or have confirmed record of that extremity. Right.
But for those who've returned, you know, from these abductions or encounters,
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they seem to speak and live and thrive like the rest of us.
And so what makes me think, wait a minute, some have been left to,
you know, some people were spared with intention.
There's a reason why it's spared. I mean, maybe we're human chess,
you know, pawns on a board.
And this is a great way to play human chess and see how it works.
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You know there's only 20 of our brain work with
every day maybe they want to find out what's that other 80 maybe
they can use the other 80 right you know
and we won't even go there with the encounter notion we could
actually the encounter notion of the egyptians
and how pyramids were built and how other
ancient historic sites or spaces
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right seem to thrive before the the
constructs of modern humankind nothing no tools
but hey math works and it's real and so it's
very interesting now or even the guy the the dean you remember here in miami
the latvian immigrant who built coral castle oh yeah down there in homestead
i mean what a fascinating spot i mean people said this man was four what four
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eight four or ten and he had all these two
ton pieces of coral and he actually relocated this castle to where it is now.
Okay. Well, how did he move all that? How did he do all that along?
Like some say he, he, you know, he possessed the abilities of the Egyptians,
the ancient knowledge of creations, but he also was a Mason.
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So maybe he had some of the ancient notions. It's like all these,
and above all the alien one, right?
These notions that he did have some assistance and it may not have been a human kind to do it.
Yeah. Yeah, because you see some things that you cannot explain.
That's the thing. A lot of people say, well, there's something that I can't
explain away with science or with the explanation that we know of.
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So it must not be something otherworldly when, in fact, it can be.
I want to dive in a little bit to the bit of a rabbit hole now, but stick with me.
Alien encounters through dreams. Is it possible people have alien encounters
in dreams, so they dreamt of an alien encounter, and in actuality,
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it was a real alien encounter?
Or it's just us as humans interpret it as something we saw in a dream?
Ooh, that's so good. Because when we sleep, we're most vulnerable.
Right. And also, we also restore and revitalize organs, right?
And so therefore, everything we dream, how often do
we dream and feel deja vu right our notion of
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deja vu that is a really good notion you got me
stumped there i think because there's there's a possibility there
because through our dreams we can it's like
a window into the human mind yeah let's
think about how many of our dreams we don't
remember true how many times do we have
a dream and you're like it happened to me yesterday day i had a dream and
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i'm like i remember this part but i don't remember this
part so and it kind of
but but i kind of that kind of plays into the into the notion of you know encounters
can happen in various ways and people reported i didn't even realize how large
that number was until you said it i mean a thousand since can you say 2002 well
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2000 since 2000 that's a massive amount of evil.
It's a lot. Massive? That is a lot.
And these encounters, it's not always just, oh, I saw something in the sky or I saw a being.
No, these are people that are saying, hey, I saw something that looked like this.
Now, do you think that Hollywood has...
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I guess, convince people that aliens or extraterrestrials should look a certain
way with the bugged out eyes and the big head and gray and green Martians?
Or do you think that's something that people have seen and they're reporting on that?
Or do you think Hollywood has kind of swayed them, kind of preloaded their brain
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with that image before the actual encounter?
I think Hollywood's drawn from some of the prior observations of what they perceive,
meaning human experiences perceive what these aliens look like.
I was reading some, I mean, this is maybe about three or four years ago,
reading some information on this blog where the gentleman was talking about
this historic record of UFOs.
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And he said that there was a common thread among the record,
the notion of the heads, the spaces, the voices, the speech,
the fact that they were highly intelligent, so they were able to adapt to any
language of the species they were engaging.
It could be from human to rabbit.
And so I'm always wondering, when Hollywood does it, it depends on from whom Hollywood does it.
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Think about this. this alien the movie i love that movie um sigourney weaver
rocked but it was definitely sci-fi and horror right okay so then i classify
alien with post encounters of the third kind.
Or i'm gonna go back to let me go back and think for a minute the thing the thing okay so we got
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these different notions it's like
okay it became almost like it's all speculative form of
fiction or reality because it's
not entirely sci-fi it's not entirely horror but it's definitely something i
don't ever want to experience or it's not something i want to see so it plays
into all those notions i think hollywood did a phenomenal job and let me say
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uh predator another one oh that was excellent and then i got predator versus
alien so it's like you have these things and,
it's almost like i'm expecting the alien to
look bad and want to hurt me right which i'm
just a shout out to the last predator movie that was called prey
i don't know the name of that actress but she was what is she good oh man so
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good and the movie was fantastic oh so wonderful and i just love how it played
off of so many vulnerabilities yeah yeah yeah and i wanted to give that quick Quick shout out,
since you mentioned the Predator.
Billy, do you feel that the masses, society, would be ready for...
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I'm not going to say, you know, welcoming aliens or anything like that.
Would the masses and society be ready
for a greater acknowledgement of the existence of these beings? Or...
Is it for people's own protection not to mention anything? Because people do
have a sense to panic and people do have a herd mentality generally in society.
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So do you think it's better for
people to know or better for people to not know? I know it's a tough one.
It's a good question because the more I know, sometimes the worse off I can be.
But then just because you know something doesn't mean you can't take it to your
grave and you can't keep it to your chest. Yeah.
And so as a result of that, I'm always wondering if the not knowing,
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well, the knowing makes you better or worse.
I mean, it goes for any other kind of encounter. You look at ghosts,
look at other cryptids that people have seen or experienced.
I now know it's okay to know, but then the question is, after you know,
what do you do with what you know?
That's where it gets interesting because then I can monetize it,
right? Yeah, absolutely. I could monetize it. I could keep it to my chest.
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I could try to seek it again and want to experience it more.
I could want it to envelop me.
These avenues aren't that many, actually, with the knowledge of knowing and
experience and connection.
So it's a really tough reality. I think that the more people who are touched,
I think that we're only seeing it. I'm looking at this from a Western point of view.
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And those numbers I gave you earlier, I did a little quick little Google search.
And I want to shout out to the Axios website.
It gave a national view, the confirmed number for 2020-2023,
112,914 sightings in the National UFO Reporting Center alone.
Yeah. And so that was and that's quite phenomenal. Phenomenal. So I don't know.
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Yeah. And I'm going to say this for folks listening. I don't believe 112,000 people are lying.
I just don't believe, I'm not saying it's not possible that some of them may
not be telling the truth, but you got to think about it.
A lot of people that have had these empowers want to share their story,
sometimes to monetize it, but sometimes simply to share it.
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Like a lot of people, depending on their job, you know, or what they do or their
status in society, they have a lot to lose by coming forward.
Forward, they could be ridiculed, they could, you know, even lose their job,
they could be ostracized by people because people say, well,
that person is, you know, crazy.
So it takes a lot for people to come forward. But here's the other part of the thing. How.
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People who've been in the airport have said that they've seen unidentified flying objects.
How many people who have visited different places around the world have had
these encounters that have shaken people up?
For some people, it's, you know, their entire lives has not been the same since.
And sometimes it's positive and sometimes it's negative.
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You mentioned Cryptid, the Flatwoods monster in West Point. Not West Point, sorry.
Point Pleasant. what's virginia that monster
was said to be an alien that was you know 10 feet
tall the people in the woods stuff like that and so
there's there's a line there where you
say you know why are these people i almost feel
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like when somebody comes out and says hey
i had this encounter do you get the
feeling billy that people are just being kind of i don't
want to use the term ignored but blown off yeah and
they dismiss and they're also labeled you know
as a the result of it right because if you i
mean think of the thing that you know we think of the things that we each individually
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experience that's so unique to someone else oh that's
different that had to happen to you why me you know did i become the messenger
right and then it it doesn't help and i love peel peel you're our guy you know
note came out and then no put a whole other spin out on what that could look
like right from an alien encounter or that other movie nadim there There was another movie.
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Remember the people were, what was it called? They were in a house and I think
John Goodman, John Goodman was in it.
And they were, it was a word and it was also alien related.
Oh yes. I know what you're talking about, but I don't remember the film.
Oh my gosh. I can't remember.
And so, but that particular movie as well. I'm looking at these new versions
of what alien encounters can look like.
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And I'm wondering, it's actually not a very heavily tapped market when you look at it.
You don't get these as often as you will a new icon
of horror or another chucky or a remake so it's interesting
when they do come along i do pay attention more because i'm
aware i mean ai i mean are they alien this i love ai and i think it's pretty
cool and i think they're a healthy and unhealthy way of using it okay but ai
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you're also now becoming the trend you're creating a new transformation of that
or even megan you know the movie that you know with these dolls and robots and
AI influence there, too. Yeah.
You know, like, look at these things and maybe the alien is so familiar to us
that it's offering us something that we very need.
And that gives it the power for us to surrender to it. Right. So, yeah.
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Yeah. And let me tell you something.
AI is great, but AI is scary. It could be a very scary place. AI is...
Folks, AI is self-learning. When you search for one thing and you search for
another and it meshes together and creates something completely different, it's just self-learn.
So AI could be great because let me tell you something, it's very,
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as you know, because you and I have both used it, it's very convenient.
If you're posting something on eBay to sell, they now have AI description that
based on the title, it'll shoot out a description for you.
But with that same notion, it could also be scary. And can AI be something extraterrestrial?
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I mean, maybe it could be. I wouldn't put it past. It's just such a,
it's a fascinating idea.
And I think that, you know, with a lot of things, it kind of goes full steam ahead.
And then people are like, oh, wait a minute, it grew too fast.
It's like, yeah, but now it's too late.
True, true. true and i don't know
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i i think that people i do
believe that people in the city have less as you mentioned earlier
less encounters than people in
rural areas but i also believe that
people have had you know we talked about the
numbers reported but think about the numbers unreported the
people that have a certain status or
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don't want to be labeled in a certain way and so they don't come
forward and they keep that to themselves and that you know
and here comes the horror part it's not just about aliens and
enemy encounters people encounter things all the time that are creepy that are
scary that are unexplained and they don't say a word about it so if you think
about the numbers that are reported think about how many people don't say a
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thing about it like you said keep it to their chest till they till they die.
I love the fact that we covered this, Nadeem, and I'm sure our listeners too.
Folks, let us know what you think. Hit us up on our social media,
on Fright Talk Guys, on Instagram, Fright Talk as well, Fright Talk at gmail.com,
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Post in the comments or the emails what you're thinking about UFOs.
Because when I first started, and I have to give the props to my brother here, when Brother N.T.
First gave the idea of abductions, I thought, well, what avenue can it go?
But I'm thinking so critically and more seriously, compared to all the other
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things that we talk about in horror, we're really having a serious conversation here.
And it's one that is not of concern, folks. Please do not be alarmed.
It's one of great fascination. we're watching
in muted fascination this phenomenon happen and continuing
to happen everywhere it's pretty cool to watch yeah i
agree and i listen i'm only
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as good as my partner so i appreciate it billy and that
we had this and it's like you said we we dug in deep there it is not this is
not to alarm people but i think more than anything is to give credit to those
people that come forward you know note that the people that have said that they've
seen something Not all of them are just making it up.
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Hello, world. Welcome back to another exciting episode of Fright Talk with us, the Fright Talk guys.
Really excited to be here with you today to talk about this next topic because
we, after much conversation, we realized we hadn't covered it.
Or if we did, we didn't cover it in the magnitude that we promised to do so today.
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So thank you so much for being here today. And And Brother N.T.,
my twin of Fright Talk, guys, welcome, my brother. How are you?
I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I'm excited about today's topic.
It's broad, but it's also specific.
We're talking about alien encounters, including alien abductions,
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and there's a stigma to it, right?
And there's so much to go through. And, you know, our listeners already know
what aliens and alien abductions and what that encompasses.
But there's a nuance to it that some people think that there is no life outside
of this earth, and some people believe that there is.
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And with that comes the whole belief system of, well, this person must be crazy
because I don't believe that anything exists outside of our planet, and so on and so forth.
So I'm really interested to dive into this topic because there's so many different
avenues that we could explore with it.
Indeed. In fact, to start us off, I think it's important for our listeners to
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understand what is an alien encounter or abduction.
So when we look at it, and I just did a quick Google here, folks,
so you could do this too. Thank you, Google and AI.
An alien abduction is when people claim to have been abducted by extraterrestrial
beings and subjected to physical and psychological experimentation.
And people who claim to have been abducted are often called abductees or experiencers
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versus the alien encounter is maybe you weren't abducted or taken away or experimented upon,
but you saw or experienced something. same.
Or you weren't removed from your environment, but the alien which was foreign
became known to you in the space you were in or the circumstance that would otherwise not be.
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Common for something that's beyond human.
And so as a result, I think these alien encounters and abductions,
however you wish to look at them, I think it's quite fascinating.
And I'll tell you why people are quick to say that an alien abduction,
oh, they happen only in rural spaces.
That they're only in rural spaces. And then I got a twist on that.
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I said, well, why not in spaces that are very progressive? Because there's so many people.
And if an alien wanted to take someone, it would be somewhat easier to get access
to people in many spaces because so many people are milling about.
And for someone to disappear, there are disappearing stories or occurrences.
People who can't be discovered to this day and have just walked or wiped away
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from the face of the earth. I wonder if there are any alien encounters or abductions
that are attributed to that.
That's a good point. I'm curious as to if maybe the reason is,
and I agree with you, a lot of alien abductions or encounters happen in rural areas,
and maybe perhaps the reason they don't happen as often in the cities or highly
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populated areas is because.
Perhaps it's an easier way for an abduction to happen if somebody is accident.
If you are, if it's an alien abduction in a city,
you're going to have a lot more
witnesses and a lot more people and just generally just a lot more eyes,
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a lot more attention where, you know, in an alien abduction somewhere in a rural
area, somebody could be out fishing at night, hunting, camping.
They took the wrong turn off of a road. And who's to say that the person wasn't
drinking or this and that?
I find it that in rural areas, it's easier to write off why an abduction happened,
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whereas in a highly populated area like the city, there's just too many of them.
Yeah, that's true. That's a very good perspective.
When I think about these alien abductions, especially, I think about body dysmorphia and extreme horror.
Or maybe it's because Hollywood has influenced, for instance,
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classic movies from E.T.
To Close Encounters for the Third Kind, where there was this abduction.
This you know well not an et but et wanted to hang out
with us but in the other the latter there was this
interest in human species and i
the idea that we can be harmed or hurt
or inspected is very violating and intrusive and it kind of like teeters on
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the fence of like body dysmorphia and extreme horror actually that that pushes
that boundary even though everything is happening internally,
you're still feeling violated,
you're still being taken advantage of, and there's nothing you can do to stop
the pain or the intrusion.
So it's very interesting how alien abductions and alien encounters,
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especially the abduction part, really keeps it in that little fine line between
those two realities, but there's still other qualities, as we know,
that make them more distinct.
Well, what do you think, Billy, is, because you had mentioned what the definition
that Google gave of an alien abduction,
but would a lapse in time also be considered an alien abduction?
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It is. If somebody is driving and then they all of a sudden they look and 10
minutes have passed, would that be some form of abduction?
Or the point that somebody brought to my wife and I in a show was that they
say when you walk into a room, you forgot something.
It was a momentary lapse of abduction. They told us at a UFO conference that we went to.
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Would you consider a time lapse a form of maybe perhaps an abduction?
I would agree. I agree. I appreciate. Tell Lady T, Lady Fright Talk that we
are, she's spot on there.
And it makes me kind of wonder now, you know, this whole notion of time lapse.
Again, let me not look at Hollywood, but thank you, Will Smith and Men in Black.
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The idea of these aliens, oh, you saw something that you shouldn't have seen. You're gone.
And that was happening from the human side to keep us protected.
But that is a genius idea to incorporate in a movie. Where did they get that?
So it makes me think of those Roswell cases and all of those other phenomena
that have come up, even the disappearance of flights.
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There are just records and accounts of things that we just don't quite understand.
So when we see these unidentified flying objects, UFOs, what are they?
There's so many things. So I think that there could be, there is that time warping
and that time lapse that you just got me thinking there. Cause even right now,
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maybe we're having one now.
Like I, as I think I'm thinking about time and if an alien all,
you know, the assumption is they only have limited time to get what they want.
Just like we do too, when we're doing experimental things. So it makes sense.
I'm always wondering, I guess because the universe is so vast,
the planet, as far as we know, that only has life on it is Earth.
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From our own interpretation, the planets that we know are in the order they
are. We're always looking at it from a human point of view.
But what if there is something else, something else that has yet to tap us in
another space or time or even a void that is quite not far?
I think this is possible. Well, you mentioned a good point when we're talking
about time and they have to get back.
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You know, time for us is a construct of man.
We have hours and minutes and seconds and days and months. That's constructed by man. It is.
We don't know if extraterrestrial life functions in the same.
Basically, I don't believe they function on our schedule.
I do believe, and let me say this for our audience. I do believe that aliens exist.
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I do believe in unidentified flying objects because I think it is arrogant to
believe that there's nothing else out there and we're the smartest beings in the galaxy.
I think that's a very arrogant perspective.
But perhaps time doesn't move the same.
And what feels like a short amount of time to us is actually a vast amount of
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time for extraterrestrials or UFOs.
The notion of time is so specific, it also helps us keep record and keep order.
So what if we remove the aspects of time, right? Human time,
human time, from the equation?
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Well, then maybe that could be the very factor or one of the variables that
these aliens are looking at.
Why are humans so fascinated on time?
Why are they so interested in power and greed and other vices, perhaps?
Why are they so fascinated with understanding other species beyond their own kind, right?
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There could be a fascination to learn, just like we are with other things that are not like us.
So it's, and then I go back to the notion of life beyond planet Earth.
We go out there in all kinds of...
Through exploratory physics, through astronomers and space work.
And people always say, well, why are we funding this? Why are we doing this?
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And even more importantly, why haven't we seen something out there?
Maybe it's already seen us.
Humankind's devices can only go so far and keep us only so safe.
What if there's another species that could trump us and really give us a run
for our own money and understanding our own existence?
So I agree with you. I think there's something more there that perhaps it does
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and i don't want to look at it as scary i don't want to talk about it from that
point of view but it's kind of fun to do so because movies don't help i know
movies don't help but they also do inform they help us inform that we are we
make we're not alone folks.
Yeah yeah and you know the there you know there was project blue boat for the
air force when they would see a ufo and stuff like that and and folks i encourage
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you to look up Project Little Book and what it was and all that.
But Men in Black was a thing.
Like, that did exist. People that saw things that they believed to be an unidentified
flying object or an alien encounter because they were fishing at midnight in
their canoe on a pond with the full moon.
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I just painted a really gruesome picture in there. I'm like, an ominous picture.
But these people would state that they saw something, thing,
and then they get a visitor or visitors saying, no, that's not really what you saw.
And you're not telling people that's what you saw.
You made it be deemed as crazy.
And of course, nobody wants to be especially, and we're talking about the time
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of the 50s, 60s, nobody wants to be deemed as crazy.
Oh, that person saw something, you know, saw an alien or this and that.
So there was a systematic approach to.
Make people believe that if they saw
for a long time that if they saw something or had some
sort of otherworldly experience that they
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were mentally unwell which is
you know which is unfair because think about how many people experience something
and then had to keep it in and not share it now we do i acknowledge that there's
people that have done throughout time a bunch of hoaxes when it when it comes
to aliens and alien encounters.
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There's countless people that have said that they've said something that they
didn't, but I don't believe everybody is lying about it either.
As far as a scary aspect, I don't know.
You know, you see, you mentioned E.T., so you get the friendly E.T.,
but then there's always like Independence Day.
Yes, which that, that was 6-6-96?
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What was it? It was 4, because it was the Independence Day. It was on July 4th.
July. Oh, that's right. That's right. That's right.
It was July 4th. That's right. Of 96.
I think it was. Right. Oh, my gosh. I remember I went to the movies to see it.
So did I. And I saw the day it was released.
And this was before social media, folks. So for those of you who are younger
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generations, there was light before, you know, social media.
And I'm not criticizing.
You got to understand how that really had an impact on
society because it brought in all worldviews when
these spaceships arrived and docked in
different atmospheres around the the
globe and for once humanity had to
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unite to fight to survive what
a great concept i still love that movie i enjoyed it so much i in fact maybe
about three years ago during you know post covid i saw it online that movie
transformed the game in terms of what an alien can look like but but nadine
can i let me ask this then so then what would you classify we say an alien encounter
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Let's look at it from the encounter standpoint.
Would the movie It be an alien related?
Or the thing, not it, the thing. Oh, the thing. The thing. Oh,
with the, in Antarctica.
Yeah, in Antarctica. Yeah. Would that be alien categorized? I think so.
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I think so. I don't, I mean, yeah, I guess it would be.
Wouldn't it? Because you have this otherworldly presence there.
And, you know, we're talking about these, you know, we talk about Independence
Day and And we talk about that idea of, hey, you've got to unite and put aside differences.
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And we all know as mankind, we have a lot of pretty differences.
But you think back to, I don't recall the year, but you remember,
you and I weren't alive then. So let me say this, but we know the story.
You recall the story of Orson Welles reading War of the Worlds on the radio.
Absolutely. And people interpreted it as an actual Martian attack and people went hysterical.
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And then they accused orson welles of you know trying to commit a hoax and he's
like listen in the beginning of the show i said i was reading from a book if
you turn it tuned in in the middle,
that's that's not on me but also you consider the source at this time radio
was everything radio was your news it was your entertainment because they had
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shows it's how you would hear sports you turn on the radio at that time you
hear about aliens attacking and then people going crazy outside their house.
Oh, I saw little green men and this and that.
And, you know, it gives that idea of, you know, Billy, if mankind were to see,
if mankind were to see aliens, if aliens actually visited in the masses.
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I don't think human beings are ready for that. I'm going to be honest with you.
I mean, it all started when people were fighting for toilet paper. Yeah.
Maybe aliens started that. No, but you're right.
You're right. I mean, think about that. You make a good point there.
The idea that if you, we're not ready to see it because we got our own things.
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And that makes me wonder, then why study us?
If we're being abducted and studied. Well, maybe we want to study that so that
we don't create this history elsewhere in another species.
That makes lots of sense, right? When we look at the understanding of science
and history and why they so much matter.
I'm curious, though, when I think when people look at aliens.
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Okay, I'm going to go down the rabbit hole here with some other movies associated with aliens.
I mentioned the thing. Okay, gremlins.
Is the gremlins, they're aliens? I would consider them aliens.
Okay so i'll throw out another one what were those little things they were oh
gosh they weren't goodies they were like little things that were rolled up in little balls,
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and they came from outer space well killer clowns from
outer space they were like there's another one there killer clowns
out of space is another example which by the way
i heard they're making a series on yeah they're making
a series on it yep yeah i'm hearing and that
is hard and that's the the other thing with technology and like
with radio being the powerful tool and power communication
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back in the day now we have social media we have the internet the internet is
the most viable right and then with its twin ai or the child birth out of internet
right you get ai now it really tries to advance things and i'm wondering okay
humans did we create this stuff.
We created it, at least as far as we know. Or did we borrow?
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Or maybe someone who was abducted came back and just got enlightened a little
bit more and was able to create these constructs that we're now beginning to enjoy.
So all rhetorical questions, but the point here is this, folks.
I think sometimes we fear the thing that we cannot understand.
And that means it becomes foreign. It is alien to us.
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And so there is where we begin to
understand that is in that acknowledgement that we begin to
bridge the divide and i think that may be so scary may
not be so scary after all yeah i you know
i met a couple and it was not in
a in an alien conference but i met a
couple and very nice couple and they were talking to me
and he had alien tattoos and uh there was
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a sign on the table that had the image of
a gray alien and it said alien under and he approached me and he said i'd like
you to know that that's an offensive term they don't like that term and i said
they well they they haven't said anything to me who is they he said well they prefer.
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The term extraterrestrial and i said and how would you know that you know because
at this point i'm just kind of being sarcastic i'm you know because what an
odd thing to say to me right,
he said well i was abducted by an alien i said okay and he said and so was my wife.
And i said well tell me that story because if you're gonna
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tell me listen this is the same thing as
if you told me i saw mothman if you saw mothman i don't care what i'm doing
i'm gonna drop it because i want to hear the story so i said tell me that story
and he says he was driving i I believe it was somewhere in Arizona and he was
driving with his wife and she was the passenger. He was the driver.
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There was a time lapse that we discussed time lapse.
And before he knew it, he was somewhere else in his life. They didn't know how they got there.
They both had remembered different scenes of being on a table.
You know, like an alien hanging over them and stuff. And he said, and they chipped me.
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What do you mean they chipped you? And he proceeded to lift his pant leg and
showed me what looked like a bun right above his ankle.
And I was like, yeah, okay. You know, I'm thinking to myself,
go to a dermatologist. You know what I'm saying? Like, I mean,
you know, that's the logical part of it.
But then he said, my wife was with me. And she has one too.
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And the wife showed me her. And it looked exactly like it.
Now, I found that so intriguing only because that is the first individual I've met that ever.
That's the only people I've ever met that said that they have been abducted by a.
You know, I've heard stories. People have been abducted by aliens and they had
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some sort of medical condition.
And somehow that medical condition gets fixed after their abduction or whatever
the case is. But I found it very interesting because he was very serious about
not calling an alien an alien.
To call it an extraterrestrial, it came out of a place, I don't want to use
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the term fear, but the term respect.
Well, I like it. And that makes sense. I mean, that could be considered a form.
His experience could be traumatic.
He and his wife are able to come back and function the way they do, but they are very aware.
And like you said the idea of being chipped means that you can be logged you're
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logged and you can also be tracked and now you got me thinking about the Arizona
notion I remember reading in an article that.
The West Coast is more likely to have sightings of UFOs or alien encounters or abductions.
And part of that is because of atmospheric aspects. For instance,
the notion that the skies are darker.
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We have light. Like where you and I are, we're on the East Coast.
And the more south you are, it gets dark late in the summers, right?
The days are longer. So therefore, if I want to abduct or visit,
I need to do it with a little bit more obscurity, and night helps provide that.
So that kind of makes sense. And then even more so, the hotbed for you,
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like Area 51, remember the classic there?
I mean, all these things are on the West Coast. They're westbound.
And I thought it was so interesting that this article in particular just really
reinforced that idea. I'm like, oh, wait a minute.
So then, wait a minute. So then Seattle has dark skies. It rains a lot sometimes
in Seattle, Washington.
I've been there and it's like, oh my gosh, it's like, does it ever end?
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It also has dark sky days.
And I'm thinking, hmm, it's also on the West Coast. So it's like,
look at all these other aspects.
I'm wondering if there's something to that. So just a thought there,
the fact that he mentioned that.
And And the fact that he had a courage when he spoke to you about it,
was his wife with you when he spoke about it? It was just you and a wife?
His wife was with him. Did she also share some encounters too?
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It was just that one encounter. Just that one?
Yes. He did show me the leg that was chipped and she corroborated his story
because they were in the car together.
And, you know, I try to be very respectful of people and their,
I don't know people's experience.
I'm not on knowing if somebody says
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hey this is what I experienced you know unless it's something very outlandish
like I saw a unicorn fight Loch Ness Monster I'm not going to ridicule anybody
or anything like that they clearly experienced something they clearly both had the same mark,
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and they both were genuinely and Lee.
Respectful of it it wasn't like
a hee hee ha ha it was like yes this happened
to me and it happened in this day in this
time you know so on and so forth so i don't know and i think some people want
to hear those stories that some people don't want to hear those stories i think
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that there's a lot of people that just don't believe in extraterrestrials and
don't in ufo or if they They think that it's an unidentified flying object,
that perhaps it's just a rocket or a project or something military or political
in nature, and not necessarily something otherworld.
And the more we see it, Nadim, in the media, I think the more it begins to make sense.
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Like, for instance, it's very common now for us to watch a major network,
and they'll say there's this unidentified flying object that was spotted over
Miami or over California or Georgia.
And it's mentioned in the nightly news.
And I think what happens is as people begin to, we haven't seen that before, by the way.
I was in a recent decade, that's become very popular and more accepting,
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which means the more you see things, the more it begins to transfer people's,
or I should say, transform people's notions of what is real versus what is not.
I think it begins to make people become less skeptical.
And I learned that it's over 100,000 sightings. I mean, in America since 2000.
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I was like, that's crazy. And that's amazing at the same time too.
And this is not UFO folks. They don't, this is, it's UFO reporting,
but it's more than just seeing something.
This is all types of encounters, but primarily those that were logged as unidentifying
flying objects biologics via the maps of our federal records in the federal
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spaces that govern the atmospheres.
And so I think that's pretty notable to say there. And that's only been 20 years,
folks, 20 plus years that we're talking here.
Billy, are you under the impression, and I'm not, you know, the way I think
of it, I think of extraterrestrials or aliens the way I do in that there's probably
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different species of extraterrestrial.
And do you believe that anywhere in your mind, do you believe that any aliens
have, when they are observing us or abduction,
have sinister goals for humankind or towards the people, at least,
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that they're having these encounters with?
I would say no. And that's a really good question.
Because if they did, then they would have already accomplished that.
And if they've done it, then they've hit it and it's been out of view so much
that we don't know or have confirmed record of that extremity. Right.
But for those who've returned, you know, from these abductions or encounters,
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they seem to speak and live and thrive like the rest of us.
And so what makes me think, wait a minute, some have been left to,
you know, some people were spared with intention.
There's a reason why it's spared. I mean, maybe we're human chess,
you know, pawns on a board.
And this is a great way to play human chess and see how it works.
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You know there's only 20 of our brain work with
every day maybe they want to find out what's that other 80 maybe
they can use the other 80 right you know
and we won't even go there with the encounter notion we could
actually the encounter notion of the egyptians
and how pyramids were built and how other
ancient historic sites or spaces
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right seem to thrive before the the
constructs of modern humankind nothing no tools
but hey math works and it's real and so it's
very interesting now or even the guy the the dean you remember here in miami
the latvian immigrant who built coral castle oh yeah down there in homestead
i mean what a fascinating spot i mean people said this man was four what four
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eight four or ten and he had all these two
ton pieces of coral and he actually relocated this castle to where it is now.
Okay. Well, how did he move all that? How did he do all that along?
Like some say he, he, you know, he possessed the abilities of the Egyptians,
the ancient knowledge of creations, but he also was a Mason.
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So maybe he had some of the ancient notions. It's like all these,
and above all the alien one, right?
These notions that he did have some assistance and it may not have been a human kind to do it.
Yeah. Yeah, because you see some things that you cannot explain.
That's the thing. A lot of people say, well, there's something that I can't
explain away with science or with the explanation that we know of.
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So it must not be something otherworldly when, in fact, it can be.
I want to dive in a little bit to the bit of a rabbit hole now, but stick with me.
Alien encounters through dreams. Is it possible people have alien encounters
in dreams, so they dreamt of an alien encounter, and in actuality,
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it was a real alien encounter?
Or it's just us as humans interpret it as something we saw in a dream?
Ooh, that's so good. Because when we sleep, we're most vulnerable.
Right. And also, we also restore and revitalize organs, right?
And so therefore, everything we dream, how often do
we dream and feel deja vu right our notion of
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deja vu that is a really good notion you got me
stumped there i think because there's there's a possibility there
because through our dreams we can it's like
a window into the human mind yeah let's
think about how many of our dreams we don't
remember true how many times do we have
a dream and you're like it happened to me yesterday day i had a dream and
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i'm like i remember this part but i don't remember this
part so and it kind of
but but i kind of that kind of plays into the into the notion of you know encounters
can happen in various ways and people reported i didn't even realize how large
that number was until you said it i mean a thousand since can you say 2002 well
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2000 since 2000 that's a massive amount of evil.
It's a lot. Massive? That is a lot.
And these encounters, it's not always just, oh, I saw something in the sky or I saw a being.
No, these are people that are saying, hey, I saw something that looked like this.
Now, do you think that Hollywood has...
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I guess, convince people that aliens or extraterrestrials should look a certain
way with the bugged out eyes and the big head and gray and green Martians?
Or do you think that's something that people have seen and they're reporting on that?
Or do you think Hollywood has kind of swayed them, kind of preloaded their brain
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with that image before the actual encounter?
I think Hollywood's drawn from some of the prior observations of what they perceive,
meaning human experiences perceive what these aliens look like.
I was reading some, I mean, this is maybe about three or four years ago,
reading some information on this blog where the gentleman was talking about
this historic record of UFOs.
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And he said that there was a common thread among the record,
the notion of the heads, the spaces, the voices, the speech,
the fact that they were highly intelligent, so they were able to adapt to any
language of the species they were engaging.
It could be from human to rabbit.
And so I'm always wondering, when Hollywood does it, it depends on from whom Hollywood does it.
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Think about this. this alien the movie i love that movie um sigourney weaver
rocked but it was definitely sci-fi and horror right okay so then i classify
alien with post encounters of the third kind.
Or i'm gonna go back to let me go back and think for a minute the thing the thing okay so we got
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these different notions it's like
okay it became almost like it's all speculative form of
fiction or reality because it's
not entirely sci-fi it's not entirely horror but it's definitely something i
don't ever want to experience or it's not something i want to see so it plays
into all those notions i think hollywood did a phenomenal job and let me say
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uh predator another one oh that was excellent and then i got predator versus
alien so it's like you have these things and,
it's almost like i'm expecting the alien to
look bad and want to hurt me right which i'm
just a shout out to the last predator movie that was called prey
i don't know the name of that actress but she was what is she good oh man so
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good and the movie was fantastic oh so wonderful and i just love how it played
off of so many vulnerabilities yeah yeah yeah and i wanted to give that quick Quick shout out,
since you mentioned the Predator.
Billy, do you feel that the masses, society, would be ready for...
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I'm not going to say, you know, welcoming aliens or anything like that.
Would the masses and society be ready
for a greater acknowledgement of the existence of these beings? Or...
Is it for people's own protection not to mention anything? Because people do
have a sense to panic and people do have a herd mentality generally in society.
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So do you think it's better for
people to know or better for people to not know? I know it's a tough one.
It's a good question because the more I know, sometimes the worse off I can be.
But then just because you know something doesn't mean you can't take it to your
grave and you can't keep it to your chest. Yeah.
And so as a result of that, I'm always wondering if the not knowing,
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well, the knowing makes you better or worse.
I mean, it goes for any other kind of encounter. You look at ghosts,
look at other cryptids that people have seen or experienced.
I now know it's okay to know, but then the question is, after you know,
what do you do with what you know?
That's where it gets interesting because then I can monetize it,
right? Yeah, absolutely. I could monetize it. I could keep it to my chest.
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I could try to seek it again and want to experience it more.
I could want it to envelop me.
These avenues aren't that many, actually, with the knowledge of knowing and
experience and connection.
So it's a really tough reality. I think that the more people who are touched,
I think that we're only seeing it. I'm looking at this from a Western point of view.
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And those numbers I gave you earlier, I did a little quick little Google search.
And I want to shout out to the Axios website.
It gave a national view, the confirmed number for 2020-2023,
112,914 sightings in the National UFO Reporting Center alone.
Yeah. And so that was and that's quite phenomenal. Phenomenal. So I don't know.
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Yeah. And I'm going to say this for folks listening. I don't believe 112,000 people are lying.
I just don't believe, I'm not saying it's not possible that some of them may
not be telling the truth, but you got to think about it.
A lot of people that have had these empowers want to share their story,
sometimes to monetize it, but sometimes simply to share it.
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Like a lot of people, depending on their job, you know, or what they do or their
status in society, they have a lot to lose by coming forward.
Forward, they could be ridiculed, they could, you know, even lose their job,
they could be ostracized by people because people say, well,
that person is, you know, crazy.
So it takes a lot for people to come forward. But here's the other part of the thing. How.
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People who've been in the airport have said that they've seen unidentified flying objects.
How many people who have visited different places around the world have had
these encounters that have shaken people up?
For some people, it's, you know, their entire lives has not been the same since.
And sometimes it's positive and sometimes it's negative.
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You mentioned Cryptid, the Flatwoods monster in West Point. Not West Point, sorry.
Point Pleasant. what's virginia that monster
was said to be an alien that was you know 10 feet
tall the people in the woods stuff like that and so
there's there's a line there where you
say you know why are these people i almost feel
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like when somebody comes out and says hey
i had this encounter do you get the
feeling billy that people are just being kind of i don't
want to use the term ignored but blown off yeah and
they dismiss and they're also labeled you know
as a the result of it right because if you i
mean think of the thing that you know we think of the things that we each individually
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experience that's so unique to someone else oh that's
different that had to happen to you why me you know did i become the messenger
right and then it it doesn't help and i love peel peel you're our guy you know
note came out and then no put a whole other spin out on what that could look
like right from an alien encounter or that other movie nadim there There was another movie.
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Remember the people were, what was it called? They were in a house and I think
John Goodman, John Goodman was in it.
And they were, it was a word and it was also alien related.
Oh yes. I know what you're talking about, but I don't remember the film.
Oh my gosh. I can't remember.
And so, but that particular movie as well. I'm looking at these new versions
of what alien encounters can look like.
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And I'm wondering, it's actually not a very heavily tapped market when you look at it.
You don't get these as often as you will a new icon
of horror or another chucky or a remake so it's interesting
when they do come along i do pay attention more because i'm
aware i mean ai i mean are they alien this i love ai and i think it's pretty
cool and i think they're a healthy and unhealthy way of using it okay but ai
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you're also now becoming the trend you're creating a new transformation of that
or even megan you know the movie that you know with these dolls and robots and
AI influence there, too. Yeah.
You know, like, look at these things and maybe the alien is so familiar to us
that it's offering us something that we very need.
And that gives it the power for us to surrender to it. Right. So, yeah.
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Yeah. And let me tell you something.
AI is great, but AI is scary. It could be a very scary place. AI is...
Folks, AI is self-learning. When you search for one thing and you search for
another and it meshes together and creates something completely different, it's just self-learn.
So AI could be great because let me tell you something, it's very,
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as you know, because you and I have both used it, it's very convenient.
If you're posting something on eBay to sell, they now have AI description that
based on the title, it'll shoot out a description for you.
But with that same notion, it could also be scary. And can AI be something extraterrestrial?
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I mean, maybe it could be. I wouldn't put it past. It's just such a,
it's a fascinating idea.
And I think that, you know, with a lot of things, it kind of goes full steam ahead.
And then people are like, oh, wait a minute, it grew too fast.
It's like, yeah, but now it's too late.
True, true. true and i don't know
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i i think that people i do
believe that people in the city have less as you mentioned earlier
less encounters than people in
rural areas but i also believe that
people have had you know we talked about the
numbers reported but think about the numbers unreported the
people that have a certain status or
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don't want to be labeled in a certain way and so they don't come
forward and they keep that to themselves and that you know
and here comes the horror part it's not just about aliens and
enemy encounters people encounter things all the time that are creepy that are
scary that are unexplained and they don't say a word about it so if you think
about the numbers that are reported think about how many people don't say a
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thing about it like you said keep it to their chest till they till they die.
I love the fact that we covered this, Nadeem, and I'm sure our listeners too.
Folks, let us know what you think. Hit us up on our social media,
on Fright Talk Guys, on Instagram, Fright Talk as well, Fright Talk at gmail.com,
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We have all these avenues. We want to hear your thoughts.
Post in the comments or the emails what you're thinking about UFOs.
Because when I first started, and I have to give the props to my brother here, when Brother N.T.
First gave the idea of abductions, I thought, well, what avenue can it go?
But I'm thinking so critically and more seriously, compared to all the other
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things that we talk about in horror, we're really having a serious conversation here.
And it's one that is not of concern, folks. Please do not be alarmed.
It's one of great fascination. we're watching
in muted fascination this phenomenon happen and continuing
to happen everywhere it's pretty cool to watch yeah i
agree and i listen i'm only
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as good as my partner so i appreciate it billy and that
we had this and it's like you said we we dug in deep there it is not this is
not to alarm people but i think more than anything is to give credit to those
people that come forward you know note that the people that have said that they've
seen something Not all of them are just making it up.
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These people have legitimate concerns and encounters, and we don't have an explanation
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