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March 21, 2025 35 mins

We opened the episode with a continuation of our Villains Month coverage, diving into the more nuanced territory of morally gray characters. In this third week, we shifted from examining outright villains to exploring the blurred lines between villains and antiheroes.

While often confusing, this distinction can help deepen our understanding of literary characters and narrative structure. We discussed how selfish motives and chaotic actions typically define villains, whereas antiheroes may lack traditional heroic qualities but are still driven by noble or relatable goals.

What Is On Our Nightstands

Before diving into the main theme, we shared what’s currently on our nightstands. Arthur has just finished Transmentation | Transcience by Darkly Lem, a multi-universe sci-fi thriller recently released by Blackstone Publishing. He’s moving on to Rhino: The Rise of a Warrior by Nicholas Sainsbury Smith, which is being described as a Conan-meets-Mad-Max-style story set in the Hell Divers universe. A book review will be published soon.

Meaghan, on the other hand, is juggling a few books. She’s reading an advanced copy of When She Was Gone by Sarah Foster, a psychological thriller that explores family estrangement and disappearance through multiple POVs.

She’s also in the early chapters of Grady Hendrix’s Witchcraft for Wayward Girls, which touches on the dark history of homes for “troubled” girls, wrapped in Hendrix’s signature dark humor. Additionally, she’s reading Scythe and Sparrow by Brynn Weaver on her subway commutes - the final installment in the Ruinous Love trilogy, known for its dark romance and black comedy. The first book, Butcher and Blackbird, is even getting a film adaptation.

Defining Villains vs. Antiheroes

Our main discussion centered around defining the differences between villains and antiheroes. We agreed that villains are typically characterized by outright selfishness, chaos, and harm with little to no regard for others. They oppose the protagonist and often revel in destruction or dominance.

Antiheroes, in contrast, may lack traditional heroic qualities - like moral clarity, compassion, or honor - but are usually driven by a personal code or a higher, sometimes noble, purpose. Their actions might be questionable, but their motives often aim toward the greater good. For example, they may take morally ambiguous paths to achieve just ends.

We used Patrick Bateman from American Psycho and Joe Goldberg from You to illustrate this line. While both offer internal justifications for their actions, we agree that their intentions and outcomes mark them more as villains than antiheroes. They may rationalize what they do, but ultimately their actions are self-serving and destructive.

Another great example we discussed was Zayden from Fourth Wing. Though initially perceived as a villain by the protagonist, Violet, his motivations are revealed to be much more layered, shifting his status into antihero territory. Similar shifts occur in characters like Rhysand from ACOTAR, who is misunderstood early on but ultimately acts with benevolent intentions.

The Complexity of Character Roles in Narrative Structure

We examined how literary structure, especially multiple POV storytelling, can alter our perceptions of characters. With multiple viewpoints, we often gain deeper insight into the inner motivations of a character who might otherwise appear villainous from another perspective.

Meaghan made the point that antiheroes don’t need to be the main character. In stories with multiple perspectives, an antihero can be a supporting or secondary character whose actions significantly impact the narrative, even if they're not the protagonist.

We discussed characters like Captain Ahab from Moby Dick, Jay Gatsby, and Shakespearean figures like Macbeth and Hamlet. These figures blur the lines between heroism and villainy by embodying both admirable and damning traits. Captain Ahab is fueled by vengeance but is also driven by deeper human emotions, while Gatsby’s immoral actions are motivated by love and longing.

We touched on how world-building can influence a character’s perceived morality. In tightly defined universes, a single action might shift a character fro

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