Looking Good, Feeling Better: The Price of Vanity

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What's the real cost of looking good? Dave and Matt rip the price tag off beauty treatments in this candid, eye-opening episode that explores what we're willing to spend to feel confident in our own skin.

From Botox adventures to gastric sleeve surgery, the guys share surprisingly personal stories about their own cosmetic journeys. Dave reveals his first-time Botox experience, while Matt opens up about losing over 40kg through weight loss surgery and the unexpected psychological impact that followed. Their honest accounts highlight how these procedures aren't just about vanity—they're deeply connected to self-confidence and mental wellbeing.

The financial reality is staggering. Beyond the headline-grabbing procedures, we're talking about the steady drip of everyday beauty maintenance that adds up over time. Did you know the average makeup user spends $3,600 annually? Or that a simple eye lift starts at $4,500 but can reach $14,000? The guys break down these costs with their trademark humor while contemplating what beauty standards really mean in the gay community.

What makes this conversation particularly refreshing is how Dave and Matt explore both sides of cosmetic enhancement—celebrating the confidence boost of well-done procedures while cautioning against taking things too far. Through stories about friends who've had successful treatments alongside celebrity cautionary tales, they navigate the fine line between enhancement and excess. Listen in for a judgment-free discussion about looking good, feeling good, and determining your own beauty budget limits.

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 1 (00:59):
Fully Grown Homos with Dave and Matt.
Good morning, another week isgone.
Another episode ahead, I know,and it's bloody cold, still matt
.
Good morning, another week isgone, another episode ahead I
know, and it's bloody cold stillit's fucking freezing it is
this week it's been like onedegrees.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well, that's, that's and then feels like minus zero
and 25.
But oh, I'm breathing a bitheavy here, sorry that's all
right.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
That's not more for you.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
You're breathing heavy I've got a bit of a cold
coming, I think, I think anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
No, stop being like that.
I'm not.
If you say it it happens, itdoes happen, it does Always
Anyway.
So, yeah, so like it was likeone degrees here, here being
Penrith, yep Right, and then Igot to the city or in penrith,

(01:48):
in penrith, but it wassignificantly colder.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, in the city I don't know how that works
because you are closer to thesea, so that might be the sea
breeze coming across chillingthings in the middle of the
fucking city.
There's no ocean around,normally, normally we are colder
here because we're at thebottom of the base of the blue
mountains and that's where thecold air drops.
It was icy because warm airrises, cold air drops.
So the cold air dropping offthe mountains causes a lot more
cooler effect in the area.
That's why, with richmond andpenrith, get colder areas you're

(02:11):
listening to dave and matt withweather chat.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Didn't come here to talk about weather day.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Well, anyway, but it's been fucking cold, just
definitely, like you know,meteorology day physics yep, I
don't get any of that shit.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
I know I'm pretty, but yeah.
So on today's episode we'regoing to chat about well, no,
hang on, what are we going to do?
We're going to do a weeklywrap-up first, aren't we then?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, goquick.
Weekly wrap-up.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Let's go nothing.
Oh look, I mean I've done a bitmore on the house, which is
good, so I'm literally about 9596 percent complete inside.
Yep, hopefully this week we'llget that wrapped up and then
it's just all minor touch-upsand stuff inside, yeah, and then
I'll be excited to start thefront of the house, which is, to
me, going to be the gamechanger for me aesthetically
aesthetically?
yeah, definitely definitely I'vegot to try and get the trees
removed at the back.
It's just money after money,after money, and you know I

(03:05):
stress about that all the time.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yes, so if any listeners want to fund Dave,
he'll do shit for you.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Or just check out Matt's OnlyFans pay him a
shitload of money and he'll giveit to me.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yay, win-win, oh yeah , yeah, or we could just win a
lotto, probably got that?

Speaker 2 (03:21):
no, we haven't.
We fucking tried that as well.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
We did try that didn't win 100 million.
Well, nobody's won at themoment because nobody's fucking
come forward.
We won 1995, as a group of usdidn't we and then we reinvested
that and won 11.70.
So we're getting there, we'regetting getting less and less.
Next week we'll win fourdollars um can't even play there
, you go um.
But all my week has been againworking and unpacking.

(03:43):
We went, we went to the club.
Is there any reason why you'resitting there?
I don't know, because my lipsare dry.
Well, stop fucking sulkingaround.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
I'm sorry, I'll give you a cock and I'll fucking make
a bit of noise.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
I'll give you a cock in a second.
I already gave you one, butyeah, yeah.
So my week's basically beenunpacking stuff.
It's good man.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
It's a house now, isn't it?
It's a house, it's a house,it's very cozy.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Oh, and one really exciting thing that we've done
this week.
What have we done?
We've managed to work out orwhen I say we, it was a
collaborative event, it wasBecause you did message me, try
this, try this, try this, trythis and I was already trying

(04:28):
all that.
I then we've actually got ourpodcasts set up to take calls,
live calls so we can actuallytake calls and record them.
Um, so we're ready to actuallyhave listeners.
So if you'd like to be alistener I'm sorry, a part of
our podcast, if you want to bepart of our podcast, yeah,
anybody right, shoot us amessage on on instagram and
we'll arrange a time and a dateand when it suits us both and we
can actually do it, it'll beawesome.

(04:48):
That also means thatpotentially, we can jump onto
other podcasts.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Finally, and we have got a couple that we are, we've
got a couple that we'd love todo, we've got a couple that we'd
love to hook up with and that,but yeah, so so things are
getting better and better andbetter and I'm a pretty techie
guy and we've reached the 50podcast.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, we're over 50 episodes now.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
So, yeah, we're established now, so that's
really cool as well.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
That's exciting as well.
So we've got lots of listeners.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
So thank you for listening Listeners from around
the world like North Korea.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
I know North Korea Right.
Shout out to North Korea.
They Korea Right.
Shout out to North Korea.
They love you.
Shout out to all our listenersaround the world.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
It's just weird to see the demographics of people
out there Two blokes two averageblokes from the western suburbs
of Sydney.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Different backgrounds Well, you're originally from a
completely different area of theworld, obviously, but there are
listeners in the UK too.
Yeah, there's listeners in theUK.
There's listeners everywhere.
There's even listeners in theUK too.
Yeah, there's listeners in theUK.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
There's listeners everywhere, even listeners in
Mount Druitt.
Yeah, absolutely yeah, so it'sgood.
So that's down to you as well,all of you.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Well, yeah, thank you very much for spreading our
podcast around and sharing itaround and do that for more and
more and more, and then we canretire and we'll never have
money.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
We're never going to retire, are we?
Everyone knows you don't make asingle cent from podcasting and
you can't sit still for twoseconds without having to do
anything.
Go fuck yourself.
Yeah, you're right, you can't.
You're right, I can't, I can't,you're never going to retire.
No, you might dream of it, butyou never do it.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
I'd love to.
I like the idea of In adifferent way, but we did.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
We went to the club as well.
We went to see State of Origin,didn't we?
Which was awesome, was it?
I don't know, it was very cold.
Remember we went down to Sears.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
It was fucking cold, yeah, but it's cold everywhere,
it's always full of hot guysthere on the fucking.
State of Origin.
Oh State of.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Origin night's always full of beef.
Yep, yep yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
I did.
We only watched the first.
Did we watch all of them?

Speaker 2 (06:43):
We watched.
Well, we were upstairs on theraffle, weren't we?

Speaker 1 (06:45):
on the first part, Did we watch all the?

Speaker 2 (06:46):
game then.
No, we had to come home.
Yeah, because it was fucking.
Because you had things to doyou were working and I had to go
back and I had a few things tosort out before.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Yeah, my builders came the next day.
Yeah, more like fucking wankedoff.
I didn't wank off.
Maybe Probably did.
Actually I think I did have ajerk, yeah well yeah, but that's
not unusual for me.
They said that something aboutlike, on average, it should jerk

(07:16):
off to keep you healthy 21 daysa month, right, and I said, hey
, I'm fucking super fit.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
You do that a day, don't you?

Speaker 1 (07:23):
You do 21 sessions a day.
Oh, no, not that it would bered raw, but yeah, sometimes two
or three.
You have no testosterone left.
Yeah, or your hair will fallout.
Oh it is, it's too late.
Anyway, this week's topic, dave.
What are we going to chat about?

Speaker 2 (07:41):
We're talking about the cost of looking good, matt,
and feeling good.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, feeling good too, because looking good makes
you feel good sometimes, andthis is generalisation to
everybody on the planet Earth.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
What about the aliens ?
Why are you being?

Speaker 2 (07:54):
exclusive.
Okay, I'll include the alienstoo.
I don't know what the cost ofthem are.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
You know what I mean, and how much Botox do they need
?
Or maybe they're supplying uswith it.
So we're just going to have abit of chit-chat around it.
Dave has done the investigativejournalism side of this one and
done all the deep dive surgery,and I'm just going to fucking
wrap it on and put my two centsworth in, or when we're talking
about cosmetic surgeries andstuff like that, it's never two

(08:20):
cents.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Well, I've just made up a generalization of like what
the average person wouldnormally look towards having you
know I mean, and what theywould like to have done.
If that makes, sense so it'sonly covering a small percentage
of what has or is out thereshould I say you know, I mean,
and look how this topic cameabout.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
I guess is because as a gay community we are kind of
obsessed.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Well, I dyed my hair last night and I was like
fucking hell.
What have I done?
I thought, no, it's too dark,that's not natural, I know.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
I dyed my beard as well, just as an FYI.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
And I'm like, okay, maybe I should stop.
Yes, or maybe not go as dark,yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
So yeah, the thing is that, like it's, yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
It.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
It's vanity and we're all very vain, Like I've had
Botox for years now.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, but it works.
That's the good thing about it.
It does, it does.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
It makes me look slightly smoother and younger
and not as haggard.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
See, I'm all for cosmetic surgery when it's
necessary and when it's notoverdone.
Yeah, exactly, when you justfine-tune yourself, it looks
good, and also keeping withinthe parameters of your
affordability as well, becausethat's where people can go so
wrong.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Oh, we can end up costing a pretty penny, so you
know so.
So, from my own experience,let's go with the simplest one
first.
Like botox, all right, becauseeveryone and and and I talked to
dave into actually having botoxbefore we went on holidays.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yep, didn't need much convincing, but it sort of Look
, I mean I was surprised.
I was A surprised at the effectof it afterwards, yeah, but
also I was also surprised at howmuch it does cost.
Yeah, Because you had told meliterally half the price.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Well, look, in previous times I'd actually gone
and it was like 500 bucks rightfrom my full face.
Now, again, again, I don't getflattened to beyond recognition.
I get enough to stabilize myforehead right, just a little
bit around my eyes so that I canstill have some movement, but
it actually corrects my lazy eyeand stuff like that as well,

(10:20):
and a little bit in the middle,because I've got a giant dint in
the middle of my freaking head.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
That's where he has his cock stuck in it Pretty much
, yeah, and that's where my ballrest is.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Put your hair, your dimple, on your forehead, yeah
and like so.
They put a decent quantity in,but they put more in mine,
didn't they?
That's where I'm going.
That's exactly where I'm going,and I can't remember how much
it was this time, I think it wasaround $800 or $700 or $800,

(10:52):
something like that which againlasted for a good six months.
Sometimes you can stretch it outto seven, eight months and
stuff like that, depending onhow frequently you're having it
done.
Now I'm definitely due for atop up.
I am overdue, but at thiscurrent financial status, I'm
just I'm not.
I'm not in that realm at themoment.

(11:13):
So I'm just gonna take a littlebreak for a while and then and
then get back to it.
But yeah, so, um, it's winteras well.
It's winter, so I'm not goinganywhere exactly.
We're not on the beach.
I'm hibernating.
My, my face is already frozen,but yeah, so I've had it done
for years and stuff like that.
But look, dave's firstexperience.
Well, his first experience washe wanted to come and watch me

(11:34):
get it done, right, but I wasmore interested in watching the
dog, didn't you?
Yeah, well, we got there andthe doctor had a fucking giant
bulge in his pants and Dave wasbusy watching.
The doctor didn't even see asingle needle go in my face.
Holy, oh yeah, it wasdefinitely a hot dog, yeah, and,
um, definitely had a big bulge.
And I'm sitting there kind oflike focus, you know, you know

(11:54):
how?
No, you know how when you get amassage, yeah right, and you
put your hands beside the tableand they sort of go past me sort
of like accidentally, onpurpose, rub them, give them a
little rub.
I was thinking how do I do thiswith the doctor?
Yeah, and with dave there aswell?
Yeah, and with dave there aswell.
We know you would have joinedin, there's no denying about
that he would have fuckinginstigated.
He would dave, would have gotmy head and would grab his cock

(12:16):
so I would have said what's thatfor doc?

Speaker 2 (12:18):
and he's like what I just put it to his cock.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah where can I inject that?
Yeah, but yeah.
So Dave came along to view thefirst time around Yep, and then
before we went on holidays wewent to a different one, didn't
we?

Speaker 2 (12:31):
We went to a different clinic then the second
time because the nurse did itfor us that time.
Yeah, the nurse did it thattime.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah, yeah, because that was the clinic that I'd
been to previously, but I don'tknow, for some reason, why I
went to a different one.
Yeah, it was a cost as well,wasn't it?
It was a cost as well?
Yeah, oh, that's because I wasgetting Botox from that place.
But I get Desport, which is thegeneric brand, which is
perfectly fine, absolutely.
It's significantly cheaper, butthey end up putting double the

(12:57):
amount in and it does kick inpretty much instantly as well.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yours was literally less than a few days much
instantly as well.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Yours was literally less than a few days, less than
a day, sort of.
You start to feel it all gonice and tight and it's such a
good feeling, uh.
But yeah, so we went there and,um, dave had his done and I had
to wait, didn't I?

Speaker 2 (13:16):
because I mean, I had cataract surgery, hadn't I?
They had to wait for me to havethat settled so I had it done
like a week before we went awayon holiday, didn't we?

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Super impressed because and we'd go to- laser
clinics at Penrith.
I highly recommend them.
I think Courtney was the girlthat did ours, or Elise One of
those we had the same nurseanyway but super impressed
because they actually said toDave no, we can't do yours today
.
You need to make sure thatyou're off your antibiotics and

(13:45):
that your surgery is settleddown and all that kind of stuff.
So they're very, veryprofessional with it, so it was
really professional the doctor,like they do a bit of a
telehealth examination with adoctor and all that kind of
stuff and he says yay or nay,yep, and I was really surprised
that they actually said no Yep,because I thought it was just a,

(14:06):
oh, we'll do anyone, I get somemoney.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
But it is actually really, really good to see that
they actually have morals andstuff like that, yeah yeah, um,
but then dave got his done andpain factor oh look, I was it
was just like short, sharplittle, stingy little little
pricks.
Yeah, but again because she had, because I got quite thick skin
.
Now, um, and I haven't hadanything done since I've got
lots of wrinkles and frown linesand she said, oh look, we're

(14:30):
probably gonna have to putyou're gonna need a bit buddy I
don't know.
Yeah, um, I think she actuallyused even more than she thought
she was going to use, justbecause she said, okay, well,
we'll just make sure.
And I asked her why and shegoes it's because people like
Matt and people like youngerpeople now in their 20s are
getting it done, because itstops the onset of these
wrinkles appearing at midlife.

(14:51):
So she said, had you had thatdone, you wouldn't need it
anywhere near half, even a thirdof what you had.
So she said, because you're alate starter, she said I need to
inject more into it.
And it worked.
It said I need to inject moreinto it and it worked.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
It did work really well, didn't it I?

Speaker 2 (15:03):
mean they're coming back now, but I mean I've got to
wait until I've finished therenovation, sell the house, and
then I'll be able to afford toget it done.
Yeah, um, but look again, it'ssomething I know that I would do
.
Um, I mean I'd like to have aface, not a facelift, but you
know the eye lifts.
So you pull, you pull the skinback on your eye, just tiny yeah
, I don't like that.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Dave's actually sort of grabbing the sides of his
face and pulling him back.
It's really quite amusing.
So yeah, yeah, but look, itdefinitely works.
Are there risks?
Apparently, so there's like thedroopy eye thing that you can
get and stuff like that, but Idon't know if it's actually as
prevalent anymore.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
But it was weird because I asked you at the time
what it felt like when you saidthis game was tightening,
because to me I didn't know whatthe sensation was, but when it
happened it happened gradually,but I could feel it sort of like
on my face.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, you feel it pulling on your face, but it was
like there's little hooks itwas weird and they're getting
wound in tighter and tighter.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
I thought it was going to be something really
horrific, like it's going tojust like tighten up and you're
not going to be able to moveanything.
You know what I mean?
No, but no, it was quiteimpressive and I was happy with
it.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
It's a cool sensation too yeah, it was when you
actually sort of go to themirror and you go to lift your
eyebrows and you can't.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
I would never have lip fillers.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
I don't see the point in them day I don't want to
spoil them no, but yeah look,I'd have everyone know, as you
said, if I did win a lotto,first thing I'd go is to a
cosmetic surgeon.
I'd go head to toe.
No way I'd get everything done.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
I wouldn't let you have your lips done.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
I'd get toenails done and your eyes don't need to be
done.
He's got beautiful eyes, Idon't need lashes um.
I'd have, I'd have look, I'dget a square jaw put on, because
I'd love a square jaw, you'remasculine anyway.
I don't think I like a squarejaw, I think it's.
I think it's cool, it is verymasculine.
I get a massive dong put on,obviously.
Why do you need that?
You don't want to walk aroundwith it?

(16:56):
Yeah, um, but it wouldn't beyou then would it get six pack.
Um, you'd be fucking someonewith an artificial pecs.
I'd getcs.
I'd get fucking bicep implants.
I'd have a liposuction tummytuck yeah, I'd have lipo.
Well, I've kind of had a tummytuck.
No, I haven't had a tummy tuck.
No, you haven't.
I've had gastric sleeve surgeryand I was going to talk about
that later but why not jump in?

Speaker 2 (17:17):
But you've never had skin removed from your stomach,
like when you lost the weight.
You didn't have that excessskin, no, even under your arms
or anything, did you?

Speaker 1 (17:24):
No, I'm very lucky in that sense that I've always
worked out, always had some formof exercise, so I think the
elasticity in my skin hasactually been quite good, mainly
in the bed yeah, there as well.
But I've always drank plenty ofI won't say water because it's
not water.
I've drank plenty of fluidSemen, because it's not water.

(17:44):
I've drank plenty of fluidCoffee, that's semen.
Sometimes Protein shakes,protein yay.
So I've always been wellhydrated.
Let's go with that.
So therefore, I didn't reallyneed to have the sleeve surgery
like the aftercare.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
And you haven't also had medical conditions like
diabetes or anything else, haveyou?
No, I was pre-diabetic.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
I was pre-everything when I was heavier, so I've lost
over 40 kilos, 44 kilos.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
That was years ago, wasn't it About five years, four
years ago.
But you've done well.
You've kept it off, haven't you?
I mean, you know you put alittle bit on, like winter would
be, but you lose australianweight, you're not?

Speaker 1 (18:20):
yeah well, through moving I've actually lost about
three kilos I know I've seen you, you have lost weight.
Yeah, three kilos.
It's like, oh yes, I'm gonnamove every week.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
No, I'm not fucking where I've gone from like losing
weight after being in thehospital to put it back on again
now.
So I've got to lose it again.
Sorry, you're still lookinggood, still looking good.
Um, I just feel it.
I know what my tight feel.
My clothes start feeling tightand I think now I've got back
off now yeah, well, no more nomore biscuits.
There's not biscuits for me, orlollies as much as chips.
I love chips.
I love potato products, I lovethem.

(18:49):
Dave loves crisps and chips andchips and anything that's
potato, potato, yeah.
Or savory, savory and semen,semen, semen, yeah, yeah, anyway
.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah.
So, I had my gastric sleevesurgery.
Now that costs me.
Technically it cost me aroundnearly 20K.
Now, 15,000 of that came out ofmy super because it was
considered to belife-threatening, yep.
So I got the doctor to write anote and the doctor said please
don't take this note as gospel,but this is what we have to

(19:24):
actually write on here, yep,right.
And he basically wrote that ifI didn't have the surgery, I'd
die, yep.
Now the government seesthousands of these forms every
day, yep.
So they know that it's.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
But it's your money as well that pays me.
You know what I?

Speaker 1 (19:36):
mean yes, but I do get them trying to hold on to it
because otherwise I'd see shinythings.
I want to go and buy it all thetime.
Oh, you do we.
We know that I'd be my superwould be no, I worry about when
matt retires.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
He'll have like one day of retirement and he'll be
broke.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
I'll be back at work by the end of the week, I'll go,
yay, retirement party.
And then it'll be like theweekend will come and I'll go
fuck guys when I come back.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
It's a part-time work .

Speaker 1 (20:05):
I've spent my half a million bucks already.
It will definitely happen, weknow no.
This is why I'm actuallymapping out a retirement plan
now, right.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
He's going to get a caravan.
He's going to park it on theside Me I'm parking on site.
Make some meat pies.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
I'm not making meat pies, I'm just fucking going
straight from glory hole toglory hole, you're gonna blow
your way through society.
You're gonna blow your money,I'm gonna blow cross country.
Um, there you go, um no, so soI had my gastric sleeve surgery.
It cost about, like I said then, almost the best part of
20k,000, almost Yep.
So that was actually, I guess,a form of cosmetic surgery.

(20:45):
Of course it is absolutely so,yeah, but I've gotten so much
healthier because of it.
Now, I don't know if you knowlisteners, but I'm a bit ADHD
and so on the flip side of mygastric sleeve surgery, it was
actually happening during COVID,so I had to buy some exercise
equipment when exerciseequipment was at a premium price

(21:05):
so I couldn't get any in thestores because no one had it in
stores.
So I went on to places likegumtree and marketplace and all
those places and bought it.
And I bought all these weightsthat don't even fit on the
fucking belt, the, the bars thatI actually bought.
Um, I bought because I couldn'tfind a workout bench.
I bought, and for those of ademographic that are similar,

(21:30):
like you'll remember, the stepsthat you're actually using the
step classes at the gym, Ibought like six of those and
step them on top of each otherand use those as a bench right
to do my, my bench work, any,all that kind of stuff, my
lifting and all that kind ofstuff, my, my pushes and pulls
and fucking all the exercise.
I'm clearly a personal trainerhere, um, but I bought all this

(21:54):
equipment and used it, but then,when the gyms opened back up, I
because I needed every piece ofequipment you could possibly
mention, obviously it wasn'tjust that.
You just needed to have the theexcuse to look at guys in the
gym well, and then no, then Iwent back to the gym, but I
actually went to a crossfit gymand I was doing like seven,
eight crossfit sessions a week,right.

(22:16):
So I have never been fitterthan I was then, right, and it
got really obsessive.
I get the cult of CrossFitright.
It's a cult, it's exercisewhich is really good for you,
but it's cult-like.
And everyone there was such agreat community, right, and I
felt so good, I looked so good,but it was actually a detriment

(22:39):
to me because I wasn't seeinganyone else.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
but you became unhealthy as well, didn't you?

Speaker 1 (22:43):
because you got too thin as well, I got too thin,
like I was down to like nearly81 and a half, 82 kilos.
You're six foot, I'm six foottwo and I looked emaciated.
Yeah, I didn't look good so Ikind of stopped.
I had to wind it back because afew people said are you okay?
Right, and I didn't have thesurgery so that I could be
skinny.
I had it so I could be healthy,and so now I try and get well.

(23:06):
I've been really bad with themove and all that kind of stuff
in winter, but I've sort oftried and get to the gym two,
three times a week.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
You've also moved and you've also set up a new job
and everything else.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
So I mean it's difficult.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
It's just a fine tuning period at the moment for
you.
Yeah, so I do try and get tothe gym two to three times
working.
Dave, you got some gym stats ongym prices, yeah, yeah.
So basically, I mean, one ofthe actual things I've got down
here, matt, is types of thingswe do to look good and younger
and fitter, and obviously gymmembership is one of the top
things that most people aspireto.
Every year they put on theirlist and never go, never go,
spend a fucking fortune.
But the actual average costthis is the average is a basic
gym is 62 a month per person,you know, and I can stack up,

(23:49):
especially if you're not usingit you know well, I think I pay
30 something dollars, 34 or 36 afortnight.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Fortnight, yeah, so it's about 62 ish.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Yeah, so it's about that.
Yeah, so that's the averagecost.
You know, I mean this is allbased in like australia, sort of
like.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah so um, that's what I've, but I I do
try and use mine.
Yeah, um, I try.
Yeah, if not for the gym, forthe sauna and the steam room
again.
I mean, you can go to gyms arefar more expensive as well,
depending what they've got therefor you, depending on the
facilities, facilities, like Iknow that… Atmosphere,
atmosphere in Penrith, they'relike fucking 60 odd bucks a week

(24:25):
.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
They've got a normal one and they've got the superior
one, haven't they?
Because it's got the pool andstuff in it.
So, again, it's all relevant towhat you are after and what
you're going to pay for Now, ifyou're using it or you get the
government to pay for it orwhoever else, your bosses or
your work environment.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
We have this thing in Australia called Fitness
Passport, which is forgovernment employees and certain
different groups.
I'm not sure who's actuallyeligible for it, but it gives
you it really cheaply and allthen you've got to do is pay for
your pass to enter these gyms,and it's really really good,
really well priced, the goodthing about a lot of the gyms as
well is they're franchised, soyou can use like fitness first

(25:02):
and what's the other one?
That's 24 hours, anytimefitness.
But again, there's a downside to24-hour gyms as well, because
the cleanliness doesn't get donelike you were saying yeah, well
, look like I said one of thefitness firsts that I go to, or
that I used to go to more.
So, um, I went there and it's.
It had three toilet cubicles,three bathroom cubicles with

(25:23):
toilets in them, right, butthere was one that still had its
wall up, but there was one thathad no wall separating the
toilets, right, for about threemonths plus, right.
So every time you'd go there,right, if you needed to use the
toilet, you'd either have towait for that one cubicle that
had the toilet as it stood byitself.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Right've been having to do it all the time.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Or you'd go into one side.
You'd have to make sure bothdoors were shut and you were
just in there using one of thetoilets and the other toilets
then rendered completely notusable, or you'd take a shit in
one and somebody walks in to goand sit in the other one and
you've got no wall in betweenyou, which never happened,
obviously, but it was just like.
In some cultures that's allnormal.

(26:02):
It was like fix the fuckingwall.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Like it's not that hard to put a wall up, and it's
no excuse because you think yougo to the gym to be safe.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yeah, and, like I said, I'm paying like nearly $36
a fortnight and all that kindof stuff.
So I've got lots of membersthat are paying the same sort of
membership prices.
To get a builder to come in andput up a wall is not that
tricky.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
I know it's one of those things, anyway.
So, moving on from the gym,what other type of things?
I mean?
We've mentioned Botox, matt.
So the average cost of Botoxwhich I've got down here where
did I put it?
Here we go.
Okay, so the average treatmentcost for Botox is anything from
$130 to $700.
Now we know that's slightlymore.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
But again, it depends on what level you're coming in
at.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
It depends on where you're having it done.
You know what I mean.
So, again, I mean that's just aballpark figure.
If you go over to Double Bay,you're paying a lot more.
So all the cost things I'mgoing to mention are all stuff
I've just googled online andjust got approximate average
costs.
Okay, so, apart from those mattI mean, you've got things such
as eye lifts, face lifts, buttlifts, chin lifts, boob jobs,

(27:08):
teeth how much is an eye liftdave?
so an eye lift would cost you.
So I'll look on my thing.
Okay, so it depends.
You've got two types.
You've got the upper eyelidsand the lower eyelids, or you
can have a combined.
I wouldn't mind both.
So upper eyelids are areanything from $4,500 to $8,000.
Now I don't know what theprocedure involves, so that
actually sounds quite horrific.
If you're going to be payingthat much money, you know what I

(27:29):
mean.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, I'd want it to be a proper job.
So the thing is yeah, you'd belooking at bruising afterwards.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Well, again, I mean, everything is relevant too.
The main cost of all theseprocedures, especially the
bigger ones, are down toanesthetics, surgeons, hospital
costs, et cetera, et cetera.
So you have to take that intomind, into bear in mind.
You know the cost of this.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
You have to factor in Some health covers will cover
you for certain procedures aswell.
I haven't looked into thatbecause there's no point.
No cosmetic is ever coveredunder healthcare.
No, nothing, not even yourhospital admission,
unfortunately.
Oh, wow, yeah, yeah nothing atall.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Um, so a lower lot.
The lower eyelids are actuallymore expensive, I don't know why
.
Because there seems to be lessof it than no, because it's
saggy.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
It's the part that goes saggy like yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Well, their average costs are four thousand five
hundred to fourteen thousandholy shit, I know right.
And the combined cost if youhave a combined upper and lower
eyelid lift, it's between onesorry 15 000 and 20 000.
Wow, I'm assuming that's forboth eyes, not just I wouldn't
hope.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, I would hope.
So yeah, fucking hell.
That like.
Could you imagine?
I've only got 20k at the moment.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
You just do one, you know if you offset that, if it
does work.
I mean, if it's like along-term thing, it's like 10
years worth of like you know itwouldn't be my lifetime.
You're not going to havecosmetic surgery like botox and
stuff around your eyes andthat's going to save you money,
so it's all relevant, isn't it?
You know, you add it up andwork out what you're paying
relevant to your earnings aswell yeah, exactly, and what you
really want out of life,because we've seen some

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horrendous people, oh look.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
I've watched Botched maybe once or twice in my life.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
That's a good series Because I get scared I love
those two doctors, those twoguys are so good, I mean in
terms of like their genuineness.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, but I can't watch it because I think to
myself I know that once I get mymulti-million dollar win, I'm
going to end up on that TV show,otherwise, yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
I otherwise, yeah, can guarantee.
So you know.
Um, one of the biggest coststhat we spend are on our teeth,
and that's unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
I mean dentists are so expensive to go to and just
having just a basic removal ofit like a tooth extraction, and
I was impressed that it didn'tcost me that much.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Well, it did in relevance to what it is well I
could have done it for one tooth.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
I could have done it home for less.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
But no, well, I'm is, but it's a necessity, you have
no choice.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
It's not cosmetic treatment.
We're going for because we wantto have it look better.
It's because we need to havethat done.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
But I also where that could have been covered from a
healthcare perspective.
I've chosen not to put that onmy private health, so you don't
benefit from it Because I don'tspend that much on dentistry no
so therefore, I'd rather paythat $800 when I do need it,
once every 5, 10, 15 years.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
But the sad thing is, if it was more affordability,
then people would get it done ona regular basis and their teeth
wouldn't go as bad as they do.
Yeah, correct, but again, it'sall about trying to keep people
in that sort of like needs, Isuppose.
Yeah, correct, correct.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
The other things I've got down here, like I said,
matt, are things, but we know.
So dentistry yeah, likedentistry, there's actually a
big overseas market.
There is.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Right.
One of our friends has justbeen over, hasn't he?
There is Right.
One of our friends has justbeen over, hasn't he?

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Over to Vietnam to have his done, remember, yes, he
has actually yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
I mean I'm not sure of the cost.
We haven't spoken to him whathe paid, but we know another
friend of ours- A friend of ourspaid quite a pretty penny here.
A lot of people have used superto get it and the government
again will let you do thatbecause for your teeth teeth
look amazing.
Yeah, well, we know, we talkedabout him before yeah yeah,
that's mark anthony.
Mark anthony, yeah, and like Isaid, I mean you know he he's a

(31:06):
handsome guy I was just soimpressed.
I just, you know, his teeth lookamazing.
Yeah, they look spectacular,they do, I mean.
And he spent, I think he said,about 70k on his yeah, but then
he went to a top specialist andhe's got like reoccurring
treatment going forwardafterwards and he's like I think
they're insured or whatever,and I mean to make sure that if
anything goes wrong they replacethem.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
He was sucking a dick in chips, I don't know what.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
I have never spoken to him about the length of the
procedure and stuff like that,cause I mean it does take time.
Like our friend that went toVietnam, they had it done a year
prior, so they had all theteeth removed and had all the um
, the pegs and stuff.
Then you have to wait a yearfor your mouth to heal up
properly and then they fit theactual, proper um yeah, they
take the mold, they do all that,they screw it all in.
So it's not a quick thing, no,no.

(31:51):
But you know, if you're goingto go overseas and you know it's
worth doing, you get a holidayout of it as well.
Yeah, and it can work I mean myex-wife when we went to
Thailand.
this is like 10, 15 years ago.
She had crowns fitted and itworked out cheaper for her.
I think over here they weregoing to cost us like $10,000.
You know you're talking about15 years ago, so that's still a
lot of money then.
And she got the x-rays done.

(32:13):
We went to Thailand and we hadthe holiday for two weeks, we
had the spending money and wehad all her treatment done and
it only cost us $5,000.
So therefore, you know it was awin-win for all of us?

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Yeah, definitely definitely.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
So I would say to people look around, look around,
but don't just go to any dodgyperson, because I mean, you know
, you see all these horrorstories?

Speaker 1 (32:31):
You do see horror stories.
You do People having pig tentimplanted?
Yep.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
So the you know, the biggest thing that a lot of
people do women-wise.
They have boob jobs, all right,and that can be a very
expensive thing as well.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Yeah, but they also can look great.
So my niece had a boob job,right, and she had small boobs.
She didn't have no boobs, shehad small boobs, but she got
them basically to match herframe, to match her frame, right
.
So basically what it did forher, apart from the

(33:06):
aesthetically right it lookedgreat, right, they look, they're
great boobs, right.
But it gave her a level ofconfidence, right, that was just
unseen from her in the past,right, um so, but they looked
fantastic.
But also what it did was it gotme really, really drunk and

(33:27):
Dave's looking at me blankly ashow do her boobs affect you?
Well, when we went to my otherniece's wedding in Fiji, she was
in a bikini with her new boobsand she'd go up to the bartender
and ask him for a vodka guava,right, and he'd be pouring, but
he wasn't looking into the glassat all.
So I got really long paws.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
I was shit-faced because of her boobs.
I was expecting to see all theguys hanging around her and you
getting drunk.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
No, no, no, just the bartender.
He was just literally longpouring because he just couldn't
take his eyes off her.
Awesome, it was great, it wasgreat.
But look, boob jobs.
If they're done correctly,right, they look amazing.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
But the other side.
I mean you can get women thatare very conscious of the size
of their breasts, like myex-wife.
She had a brood reduction andluckily she had that done for
the military and that was a goodthing.
But I remember her goingthrough it and I was trying to
talk her out of it because Ifelt you know, you don't need to
have it.
But she kept on saying that whenshe was being spoken to, people
weren't looking at her face,they were just looking at her
tits all the time, and shebecame very paranoid about it to

(34:33):
the point where she felt that,you know, this was not what she
wanted, again psychologically,you know, I mean, and I remember
her having it done and itlooked horrendous.
When she came out hospital Ipicked her up and well, I just
went.
Oh, I'm gay now I'm not, no, butit just looked absolutely
horrendous.
You know the pain, yeah, thepain, but also the actual
scarring that was thereinitially, and the scarring
healed it really well.
But the sad thing is I think mysister's had a breast stop

(34:55):
reduction as well and my mom butthey grew back again, I mean
over time, that the actualbreasts have become bigger again
, anyway.
Okay, so you know, I don't knowwhere to win, win.
I don't know why it happens, Idon't know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Anyway, so I get my dick cut.
Don't know, maybe if I get mydick cut it'll grow bigger.
Well, should we try and do it?
No, I'm leaving my dick.
I'm leaving my dick.
I like it.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
But anyway, the average cost going on to cost
because we're going to run outof time, otherwise is between
$8,000 and $20,000 for just anormal boob job.
Yeah, again, so you get abigger proportion.
I think most people have thosesaline implants only these days.
I don't know.
I don't know, I've neverthought about it.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
No, I've never thought about it.
I don't know why I've neededboobs.
But then you look at peoplelike Katie Price, the UK model.
Jordan yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
I mean, she's had like fucking 15,000 boob jobs
and it's to the point where howbig do you go?
And it's ridiculous and I'veseen some people that look,
absolutely, there's a woman inthe club.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
She had hers done and they're fucking huge, remember.
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, but shelooked good though.
In my opinion she looked amazing, like I know you guys went oh,
but if I was going to get, andshe had had a lot of work done
and I mean a lot, right, but Ithink that if I think she looks
spectacular and I think ifyou're going to get work done,

(36:14):
that's how you want to look,right, um, but it's too.
Beauty is beauty, and and whyyou're getting the work is a
question for you.
Right the same, with any kindof work, whether it be cosmetic,
injectables or or surgery initself, is up to the individual
to to work out why they want itand how they want it and how far
they want to go.
Yeah, but if you're going to doit and we all know that if I

(36:39):
was a girl I would be getting itdone you would, right, like I
said to you guys.
I said I'd be gettingeverything done.
I'd be getting my snatchtightened every six months
because I'd need it, because I'dbe getting thrashed.
Um, especially if I looked asgood as she did, I'd be just
lining up and fucking bendingover and getting absolutely
smashed to smithereens.
So I'd need a rejuvenation,revagination, um, you loaf, doc,

(37:06):
another stitch, he'd say.
But I just did one and I'll sayanother couple.
Then there you go.
Um, you make me laugh, but yeah, but yeah, so yeah, boob jobs.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
So on the list of things I've got here, matt, I
just want to ask what you wouldhave done right.
So I've got like Botox, whichyou know you had done An eye
lift you said you would suggest.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, I facelift right, because the the thing is
that, with pulling your hairback further onto your on, what
I would have done and I don'tknow if this is actually a
procedure is, even though, whenI lost all my weight, the one
area that I've still got like,I've still got a lump in the
back of my head right, I've toldyou that's where you can get
knocked out all the time.
No, it's where people grab thehead or from when they're doing

(37:54):
me from behind, but it's likethis little line in the back
where my head is.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
So that's where the sling lies probably.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
I'd like to have that smoothed out.
Um, okay, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
I don't know, I'm sure they could do that.
I'm sure they can do anythingyeah, but I'd have that done,
yeah, but I mean the.
The actual price for faceliftmac is between twelve thousand
and seventy thousand dollars,average being 20k to 35k,
depending what you haven't done.
But again, I mean you look atsome of these celebrities I've
had done and they, they lookreally good some look amazing

(38:28):
but other ones that they look sogood beforehand and they
haven't done, like mickey rookand stuff like that.
Yeah, I mean it.
Just where do you stop?
And it just becomes to thepoint where you can't and they
look ridiculous, they lookabsolutely horrific.
That woman, that's cat womanyeah she was beautiful
beforehand.
She was so pretty if you lookat her pictures beforehand,
because I was- doing it rightthe same with donia.

(38:48):
Uh, dan, is it yeah?

Speaker 1 (38:50):
I mean sheulham-Sassi yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
I mean, she wasn't that bad looking, she wasn't
great.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
She was never good looking.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
No, but she was better before she had the
surgery.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Far, far better.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
She's tried to make improvements, but that's what
I'm saying People are makingimprovements but it goes wrong
even more, yeah, and they lookhorrendous.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
It depends on what you're trying to achieve and
your level of realism, and youdo take guidance from a doctor
when you're doing that kind ofthing, I guess.
But you're putting a lot offaith in somebody else's hands.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
But there's also a lot of great doctors out there
as well.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
If you don't look properly, yeah, and do your
research is the biggest take out, I guess, like nose jobs, all
that kind of stuff, and yournose keeps growing.
You do, I mean it does, andyour ears, and your ears.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
And your fingernails and your cock and your boobs.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
No, there was another part that I mentioned a while
ago.
I can't remember what it wasnow, but it was a real surprise
that it keeps growing as well.
Your tongue?
No, it wasn't your tongue.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
It was your ears.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
I can't remember what it was, but anyway.
Your foreskin, your foreskin,mine stopped growing when it got
cut off Anyway.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yeah, there you go.
That's cosmetic surgery Okay.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Cosmetic surgery at fucking birth almost.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Okay, there you go.
Do that.
Thanks, mum and dad, anyway.
So, apart from the maincosmetic surgeries, everybody
has haircuts.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Yeah, everybody has the want to have makeup nails
and they can still be expensiveover the time, you know.
So so the average pedicure,manicure and all that kind of
stuff and when I say average Imean a penrith, um yep so what?

Speaker 2 (40:24):
what would you have done?
Would you have it monthly,would you have it by monthly?

Speaker 1 (40:27):
so, myself I've.
I probably don't go as often asI want to Right, never been,
because I just don't have thetime.
I know you're a pussy, youwon't do it.
Well, I buy my nails anyway, sothere's no point in me fucking
no it is.
It makes them feel really good,it makes them shiny, it makes
them glossy, it makes it likeand if you have colour put on
them as well, it makes your hairjobs look sexy you like that?

Speaker 2 (40:48):
oh wow, there you go.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
So good ones, dave, there you are but goes faster,
um, like a lamborghini, like alittle um, um.
No, look I.
I love a pedicure and amanicure because it just feels
so good.
The part that feels really goodfor a pedicure is when they're

(41:10):
scraping all that crap off yourfeet, all that bottom stuff off
your feet.
Oh, I get it yeah, it's amazing, it's gross.
You walk out and you go.
Oh my God.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
But you had one in Singapore, didn't you?
Yeah, I had one in SingaporeBecause I left you there, didn't
I yeah?

Speaker 1 (41:21):
yeah, but it actually look, it does feel really good,
you, you feel really freshafter just a pedicure and
manicure.
Okay, and they can like.
I've had some bad pedicures,Like before I went on Tipping
Point, I went to a place in StMary's and it was fucking
horrific and I felt like they'dchopped my hands up and didn't

(41:43):
do a very good job at all.
I thought I could have actuallydone it myself at home and had
a better result.
And I was going on camera rightwhere my hands needed to be
Immaculate Immaculate becauselike Close-up shots yeah,
Close-up shots of your handspressed in a buzzer.
So it was just like fuck, whatam I going to do now?

Speaker 2 (42:01):
So I basically frantically got a nail file and
got them down and moisturiseddaily and sitting there, and
like I made sure I was handready, hand model ready, I was
surprised I didn't get hired forhand modeling after that.
Um, but yeah, anyway.
So but yeah, just the averagecost per person per month is

(42:22):
between 30 to 160 dollars onmail stuff.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
So if you're having your nails done, yep, done, did,
done with with gel tip, yourGel tip, finger extensions,
nails yeah, all that kind ofstuff or anything fancy Yep, you
will pay obviously more, yep,but you've got to also get some

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reviews and work out whereyou're going.
Because one of our friends,brittany, she's been to a couple
of not so great places, yep,and they are obvious and it's
really obvious.
And, like the one, she's beento a couple of not-so-great
places Yep, and they are obviousand it's really obvious.
And the ones she's got at themoment are beautiful, beautiful,
absolutely beautiful, reallynice, kind of like a Tiffany
blue.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
The thing is, I like the way that she does change the
colours all the time.
Yeah, yeah, it's really goodyeah it's cool.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
I mean it does a complete opposite, completely
different color.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
You're like what the fuck is wrong with me correct,
but they do look nice and shedoes look after them so well.
Yeah, I mean she was a bitpissed off the other week with
her haircut she had because shewas going to get it dyed, wasn't
she?
Or she was gonna, I don't know,I can't remember.
She had a procedure done and itjust basically just turned out
to be just a normal cut andnormal cuts for women are
averaged between um 45 up to 175.

(43:31):
But she paid 175 and she hadnothing done.
So she was very pissed offabout it and I don't I don't
blame her.
I mean I mustn't have been therefor that conversation, because
women's haircut, even just thebasic haircut, costs like twice
as much as men's.
Yeah, well, I don't knowwhether it's because of the
length, but they don't have alot taken off.
I don't get it, you.
I mean, is it because they sitand talk and drink coffee all

(43:52):
day?
I don't know.
I don't know and that's notbeing stereotypical I don't know
.
I don't know what a women'ssalon is like.
I've never been.
I know they talk a lot.
All I've seen is on TV shows,men's haircuts which you don't
have to worry about as much no,but I did the other week you did
?
yeah, because I'm bloody saving,died.

(44:13):
But the average men's haircutand I can confirm this is true
is between 25 and 50, but Ithink more so if you're having a
beard trim, it's like more like50, because they charge you 50
for both, don't they normally?
Yeah, yeah, um, but again, Imean, it's all relevant to what
you want to look like, and Ihave have mine done every four
weeks, so that all adds up.
Yeah, you know what I mean.
So you're talking, you know,over the year.

(44:34):
You're talking a couple ofhundred dollars just on haircuts
a year, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Oh, more than that, no, just on average, just the
basic.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
I'm just saying it's $25 each time.
Yeah, Makeup is a massive,massive amount of money.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
It's a huge industry Huge industry, dave and it's
used from everyone, from,obviously, women.
Yeah, men have it on.
Men are now getting more intothe makeup.
I've got concealer that I wearfrequently.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Well, I think we've all got something in our
cupboards that we use somewhere.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
And I was really pissed off because I couldn't
find it and I thought I'dactually lost it.
And it was my Tom Fordconcealer.
Right, and it cost me $85 forthis tiny little stick of
concealer and it was perfect, itwas amazing.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
It's like the eye serums.
You know what I mean.
If you can't afford Botox andpeople use them, they're fucking
expensive to buy, reallyexpensive.
How do they work?
Not all of them Questionable,questionable, anyway.
So the average price for makeupa year is $3,600.
That's the average right, whichequates to about $300 a month.
I know drag queens spend waymore than that.

(45:37):
Well, exactly, but women ingeneral can spend more Depends
on what brand you're going foras well, if you've got a certain
brand, if you're going toSephora, right, they've got some
quality shit, right.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
And if you're paying for quality, animal cruelty free
, all that kind of stuff.
But then if you're usingproducts like Emco that you buy
from bullies and stuff like that, it's just as good, absolutely.
It's been given some reallyhigh praise in the makeup
industry and again, it's areally, really good product,

(46:09):
good quality product.
I'm not sponsored by Emco, justas an FYI, but I know that I
watch Glow Up, I watch Face Off,I watch all these makeup shows
because I love reality TV, butGlow Up, their palettes that
they use.
I obviously watch RuPaul's DragRace and Anastasia Beverly
Hills.
She's a massive sponsor of theshow.

(46:30):
That product costs a fuckingbomb, right, so I'm in Crolon.
All of those.
They cost an absolute fortuneto make up.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
There's two other things I didn't mention.
So butt lifts as well.
They're 9,000 to 15,000.
Okay, I don't want to forgetthem because I've written them
down.
And the other thing is lipfillers.
Lip fillers can be anythingfrom 400 to 1,500 per treatment,
with the average being 600 to1,000 per millimetre.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
That says, or millilitre sorry, millimetre,
millilitre, millilitre, I think,which is a tiny little amount,
I know, right, a tiny littlevial, however, if done correctly
.
So again, one of my nieces,right, not the same one with the
boobs, but the other one right,she had lip fillers, right, and
she didn't go overboard, shejust had enough because, again,

(47:22):
she thought she'd always hadvery thin lips, right, so she
got them, so that they basicallyjust pop them up a little bit,
right, they're her own lips,yeah, yeah, but she got them
done, just the right amount andlooked amazing.
She always was beautiful,anyway, but just a tiny little
top up right, and it just lookedamazing.

(47:43):
Now, our other friend, miami.
She used to get lips, she got alot, but she would go excessive
sometimes, sometimes and we'dgo, hey, stop it.
But she likes to look like ablob doll In a good way.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
In a good way she does.
She's gorgeous, absolutelygorgeous.
I love it Stunning.
We know that.
But she knows how to treat herface.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
She's a beautiful woman.
She's a beautiful woman insideand out.
She's an expert in makeup aswell.
She is very good.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
And she looks good, doesn't she?

Speaker 1 (48:16):
She's sexy as hell.
She's a selfie queen, isn't she?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she loves it.
You'll go somewhere and peoplego.
Where is she?
I was about to say, I think,when she was lopping the tree.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
The other week she was there at the front of the
tree.
Yeah, correct, but she, like Isaid, she looks good for it and
she knows when to do it andwhere to go and do it and you
know how much is enough.
You know, correct, correct, andshe, she looks after herself
really well.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
So, yeah, so I think um looking good, feeling good.
I think that pretty much coverswell the last bit I've got here
is clovered in fashion.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Obviously I haven't done any research because it's
all relevant to everybody else,but we must spend a fortune on
shoes, handbags.
I could go on, and on, and onand on.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Well, I know I recently bought a pair of RMs
for like 700 bucks RM Williamsand they look good and they're
comfy as hell.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
But how often are you going to?

Speaker 1 (49:02):
wear them, though, every single day.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
I wear them Even to work now.
Yeah, why?

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Yeah, Sorry, I also wear my depending on what I'm
doing for the day.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Yeah, because I wouldn't wear really good shoes
to wear you.
They're good shoes becausethey're comfy and they're hard
wearing.
I get it.
I get it.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
But I also wear my hockers.
I bought a pair of blackhockers as well, and they're
comfy as hell.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
I suppose you've got to if you're buying things that
you know are practical andthey're good value for what they
need.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Yes, and they actually work out to be good
value, because they're going tolast me for a long time.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
I'm not knocking anybody for buying it, but what
I'm saying is the cost that wespend on average.
That's what I'm saying, is not.
I know we'll be digressing, sowe'll end up wrapping up shortly
anyway.
Yes, we're going to, but whatI'm saying is you know, we all
are guilty of spending money onourselves, and that's a good
thing.
That's a good thing.
How much we spend relevant toour earnings and how much we

(49:52):
spend relevant to what we reallywant, and what we need is a
debate unnecessary, necessary,necessary, oh fuck, why can't?

Speaker 1 (50:00):
I say necessarily necessity, right?
Because I cannot in unpackingmy house or into this house, I
cannot physically fit everythingin my wardrobes.
No, so I'm going to have tocull again.
Yay, I can't.
I can't take a bite, becauseyou have got five?
Yeah, I know exactly.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
But you just need to put them in a box, put them
under the bed and just leavethem, you know what I mean Until
the next move.
And then you'll say fuck, do I?
Need this holding onto thingssentimentally, or whether
because we think one day we'regoing to fit into it or whether
you know it's got emotional ties.
It's stupid, I know, yeah,clothing, humans are fucking
fucked up like that but lookinggood, feeling good, but look, I

(50:39):
mean it's good, I mean it's.
It's a big eye-opener for melooking at some of these prices.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
But I knew that some of them were my take is the
other thing as well.
Tattoos, oh my god, stop, let'snot.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
But what I'm saying is I mean there's so many things
that people can do which isclassified as looking good
looking good, and that's good,you know, I mean so you know,
and you don't knock yourself fordoing it, but please, I would
say, to be responsible for whereyou stop and draw the line and
what you need, what yourelatively need I'd say if it
makes you feel good, do it.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Yeah, at what cost, though?
Whatever.
Whatever, if it makes you lookgood, yep, and feel good.
More importantly, the goodthing is we're all guilty of
doing something or other.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
You know, and that's the good thing about it.
So we're living life and yeah,good on the industries for
making the money out of us yep,all right.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
so, looking good, feeling good done, yay, all
right, all right.
Now our regular segment, our,our newest edition of regular
segment.
Fuck, that's hard.
Thanks to Denny Boy whosuggested that, and his show
should be not too far away.
Yep, looking forward to it,denny.
Yep.
But yeah, is Icks and Peeves.

(51:46):
Icks and Peeves.
So, dave, you can start offthis week.
Okay, icks and Peeves.
Ics and peeves.
So, dave, you can start offthis week.
Okay, x and peeve, what areyour x slash?

Speaker 2 (51:58):
yeah, so my first ick or peeve is people pushing in
the queues so give us an examplepeople pushing in like line for
food, for food or concerts,even worse, where you're queuing
up and someone just fuckingwalks in front and they're going
to stick in front of you.
You know what I?

Speaker 1 (52:14):
mean, you know what I share, this peeve right, but
you know where I share it themost and it really grinds my
gears.
Where's that Is if we're inline for raffle tickets.
Oh, right, yeah, yeah yeah, andthere is just say, somebody is
in front of us with a friend yepsorry, somebody's in front of

(52:37):
us, and so I've sat there andI've calculated exactly how many
, what numbers you want, whatnumbers I want, but all of a
sudden one of their friendswalks up and then they also buy
raffle tickets.
So I get pushed back.
So I think that could have beenmy fucking winning raffle
tickets, and then, if they getdrawn out, you should see me
fucking steam.
Right, it just goes.
That was my fucking ticket.
You know it works well, though,when it works, then you do when

(52:58):
it works in my favor.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Yeah, it works really well.
Yeah, you could even push it in.
No, but pushing in justgeneralization.
People pushing in, I mean somepeople inadvertently push in but
they don't realize they'redoing it, because they don't
know where the fucking cues are,because they can't fucking look
dumb yeah, dumb uh, but most ofthe people.
There are certain cultureswhich I'm not going to main
anybody because at the end ofdays we're not, we're not, we're
not sort of like that sort ofpeople, that sort of like dub on

(53:20):
people, but but there arecertain cultures that do have a
natural clueless.
Yeah, they just think thatthey're entitled to be in the
queue before you and thatfucking grinds my fucking gears.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Yeah, but yeah so yeah, but so I get, I get that.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
I'm all right with swearing, yeah, but I realize I
swear a lot on this podcast, doyou?
Yeah, I don't listen back.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
You know that I do.
I say cunt all the time in reallife.
Um, but anyway, um, but yeah,but definitely is.
That definitely is a pet peeveof mine as well, and I think
many listeners will freakingassimilate with that pushing in
thing.
Okay, so what have you got?
So I've got one that reallybugs me.
Right, because escalators,travelators, whatever you call

(54:01):
them, they're not, they don'thave a fucking stop sign at the
entry, all right, but what whenyou're getting on or off?
When you're getting on and off,they don't have a stop sign so
you don't step onto this thingand you don't just stand still.
You're supposed to get.
They're there to help you makeyour journey quicker, so you're
meant to carry on walking yeah,You're meant to carry on walking
right, especially travellers atthe airport.

(54:22):
Right, yep, they're there to getyou there quicker.
They're not actually utilize totake you there.
Right, and it really bugs me,right, so it bugs me when people
don't walk on them.
Right, so this is a double p,almost right, but bugs me when
people just don't continuewalking.
Yeah, but what really bugs meis when you're on there, you're

(54:43):
supposed to.
If you're going to stand stilllike a fucking moron, keep to
the right, keep to the leftright so people can make their
way down the right.
But there are lots of people.
They just stand there side byside with their friends and I
always go excuse me, and theyjust look at you as if to say
how fucking rude.
And I'm thinking, no, you'rejust a dumb, fucking cunt.

(55:04):
Um, that won't move to the leftright, just move to the left,
all right, it's really not thathard or when you're in a
shopping centre and the fuckingescalator.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
One way is not working.
You've got to go fuckingtraipsing down.
How?

Speaker 1 (55:16):
far.
No, the Penrith one alwaysshits me to tears because it
never, ever works and you've gotto go one side works, one side
doesn't, so just turn it off.
So people can walk up and downit instead it's really not that
hard.
But also, the one thing thatreally does my head in but it's
not a peeve, it just confuses meis when I step on an escalator,

(55:39):
and it's not working and it'snot working and you feel really
weird and you feel like you'regoing to walk.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Yeah, it's a strange sensation.
I think our minds are there,probably thinking it's going to
move.
Yeah and it doesn't, and youjust stand there and you think
what's going on?
It feels really weird, evenwalking up it then doesn't it
yeah.
So bloody move to the leftright people Move to the right,
jump up and down and turn around, or I'll fucking push you right
I will push you down thatescalator as well.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
But yeah, All right.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Talking of places like the plazas and stuff like
that and shop centres.
Next pet peeve of mine is kidsscreaming in places where
parents don't do anything aboutit.
I can't stand the sound offucking screaming kids.
I mean, I don't know mytolerance of level of noise and
like I said last week it's justgone, fucking I'm very old now

(56:26):
in that regard.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
It seems too cranky on me and trendy.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Oh fucking hell, it just grows.
It grinds me, it does grind meand screaming kids, their
parents just there and they'reletting them running around
screaming and doing whateverthey're doing.
Yeah, I'm just thinking controlyour fucking kids right now.
Put it back in its cage, yeah,or throw it out the window.
One of the two, or muzzle it.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Yeah, again, parents get really badly looked at when
they have them on those leashthings, whereas I think a leash
and a muzzle is fine.
We do it to animals, don't we?
We do it to our dogs.
Our dogs don't bark as much askids scream.
No, my girls don't.
They're good girls most of thetime.
So that's a little one of mypet peeves.
What did I write there, dave,let me have a look at your

(57:07):
writing.
Oh my God, Good luck if you canfucking read it, the bottom one
.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
What the fuck it looks like Kinky Boy.
Oh, the toilets in the urinalswashing hands.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Oh yeah, the hand washing.
That's what it says.
I can clearly read that.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Like.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Kinky Boy used to be.
I don't know what I've written.
Hand washing All right, men.
I don't know about womenbecause I don't go into the
women's bathrooms often but men,even if you've gone for a piss,
wash your hands, right, it'snot that hard, right?
If you've gone for a shit,definitely wash your hands.
I think we went through this inCOVID, where they sat there and

(57:49):
they taught every human on theplanet how to wash their hands.
Just wash your fucking hands,it's not that hard.
I sit there and if I see a guyin there with his child, right,
and he's walking out and he'snot teaching his child, I want
to go.
Oi, like, you know what?
Are you raising a fuckingneanderthal?
Yep, right, like, because I'mthinking to myself that kid's

(58:11):
never going to learn.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
I would understand if the sinks weren't working or
there was no soap or there wasnothing else, but even washing
with water is better thannothing.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Water is actually proven to be like.
From a food safety backgroundthat I've been part of, washing
your hands with water alone isperfectly fine.
Yep, right, it is because wedid this whole spray, like your
hand with the bacteria kind ofthing, as part of a food safety
thing, and people will wash withwater and with soap and it's
just as effective.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Well, I think it's marginally less effective.
It doesn't compute to me whythey just walk past it.
It's there, it's right there.
They have to walk past itanyway.
I really don't understandeither.
And then you think they'regoing out there pushing the door
handles, touching everythingelse, and then we're following
them afterwards and we'refucking getting their fucking
dirty, stained, fucking fingersor stained fucking hands
everywhere.
I mean like don't get me wrong.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
I've had random dicks in my mouth and everywhere I
know.
But what I'm saying is but like, just wash your hands, yeah
exactly Wash your fucking hands.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
I've got one more to wrap it up with.
Yep, no, I've got one more foryou, have you?
Okay, good man.
The other one is when peopleare out walking their dogs and
they let their dog shit on thepath or shit on the garden and
they've got no common sense topick it up, or they just look
around and just carry on walking.
Yep, that's gross.
That pisses me off.
That's gross.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
And I would never.
Okay, I would never.
Oh, he's a get-out-of-jail-freecard, right.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
No, but what you've done in the past is that it's in
scrub land and it's like runnypoo and you can't pick it up.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
If it's runny, I would get stuff up and throw it
over the top, so that at leastpeople aren't going to step
through Like an animal would doin the wild.
Correct, but you wouldn't leaveit in the pathway.
You wouldn it in the pathway,you wouldn't leave it in front
and if the if a dog does shit,you know we pick it up.
95, I pick it up all the time.
Yeah, unless it's like reallyrunny and it's going to be
impossible to pick up.

(59:58):
Yeah, and that's very, veryrare for my girls because they
have a really good diet.
Yeah, um, but like, yeah, ifit's very runny, then I'll sort
of get dirt and fucking leavesand pretty much bury that but
it's when they, when they lookaround and you can see them look
at you and you think and theyjust walk off.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
And you think you fucking dirty cunt.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Yeah, would you shit on the fucking lawn?
They probably would looking atthem.
They probably would looking atthem.
But yeah, so yeah, that'sdefinitely a pet peeve of mine
as well, and I know lots ofpeople share that, especially
the councils, because they putfucking signs up everywhere, yep
.
So, yeah.
So my last one is a pet peevethat I know you can definitely

(01:00:33):
relate to.
Right Now, if I'm getting readyfor sexy time, right, if I'm
thinking to myself I want tohook up with somebody, right,
one of my biggest pet peeves isnot being ready as in, clean,
right.
So if I'm thinking to myselfbecause I'm verse, right, pet
peeves is not being ready as inclean, right, right, yep.
So if I'm thinking to myselfbecause I'm verse, right, if I

(01:00:55):
think there's a chance that I'mgoing to get fucked today, right
, like any day, right, every day, every day, I'll make sure that
I've douched and prepped andmade sure that I'm ready.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
I think your bum is the cleanest bum in the world,
isn't it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Yay, no, I'm joking, no, but I will make sure that
I'm ready.
Yeah, so it really annoys mewhen, if you're going to a sex
on premises, for example, right,a sauna, church, whatever- you
want to call?
it Been to a couple, been to acouple right.
And you go in there and youmight feel like today you're

(01:01:28):
going to top right, so you'renot going to get clean, right,
which I still clean, even if I'mgoing to top right, just in
case, just in case, right, justin case, right.
But then if somebody startsplaying around and you're
thinking, oh okay, I'll just letthem in, no, don't let them in.
Say no, right, it's really thateasy.

(01:01:49):
Say no, sorry, buddy, I'm letthem in.
Say no, right, it's really thateasy.
Say no, sorry, buddy, I'm notready, right, it's really that
simple.
They're not gonna get angry atyou or whatever, because it's
consensual anyway, right.
But fucking douche, like, it'snot that hard.
A bit of squirty water up yourclacker away, you go nice and
clean, easy.
It's not a long and arduousprocess, so it's just not that

(01:02:15):
hard to be clean and ready forsex, right.
And I get that there's alwaysgoing to be a little bit.
If you're playing in thebackyard, there's going to be a
bit of dirt, right.
So I get that occasionally it'sgoing to be a little bit, yep.
But I guess in recent timesI've been to the sauna Church
Church and fucking fuckedsomebody and it wasn't a little

(01:02:39):
bit of dirt, it was just likefull on and it's just like, and
then that puts me off.
It puts me off for the whole day.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
I sit down and go like, and the thing is, people
get UTIs from that as well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Because you can get it in your so, it in your japs
eye and it goes up and itinfects your fucking bladder.
Yep.
So yeah, pet peeves, and that'sthe same for everybody, with
women as well.
Yeah, because you know blokes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Well, no, well, women pegging blokes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
They should do it too .

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Yeah, women, pegging blokes, definitely Blokes.
Douche yourself ready.
But like even I think, when Iwas talking to one of my girls
Miami, you know who you are shedidn't know a lot about douching
but she said, funnily enough,she's never shat on somebody's
dick.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
She said that she knows of right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
So I said oh, so most guys will just take that anyway
, because they don't get inoften enough from straight girls
.
So yeah, Straight girls.
So yeah, but yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
And that's pretty much it.
I mean I've got no more eggs atthe moment.
Well, you've got a fucking list, we've got to stop this session
because it's going to go toolong.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Yep, but yeah, that's been our session for today.
Our looking good, feeling great, I Feeling great.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
I hope you all do feel good and look good too.
Yeah, spending a little bit ofmoney is good, yeah, but
spending excessive money on Fordis not so good.
Go wild, fuck it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
That's what I say, absolutely All right.
Well, I've been, if you want tocontact us for any topic that
you'd like us to cover off.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
How do I do that?
Dave, you can contact us on oursocial platforms, any of them.
Fully Grown Homeless yeah,mainly Instagram with you,
because you like your Instagram.
Yep, yeah, we have got an emailfullygrownhomelesspodcast at
gmailcom.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Yeah, you can email us there, but obviously socials
are probably easier yeah, and ifyou'd like to be a guest, hit
us up on our socials, yeahabsolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Please, please, please and again.
Thank you again to all ourfollowers around.
We know we're covering topicsthat you're enjoying.
Yeah, and just let us know andwe'll just talk about things
that you want to talk about,that you know about and if you
want to be a guest and talkabout a particular subject, um
happy to go down that path yeah,better go down that path and
phone in and we'll see you doing, danny, and a few other

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podcasters as well.
A few others, yeah, but yeahall right.

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