August 28, 2023 • 26 mins
Ever wondered just how impactful your diet and lifestyle choices are on your health? We're going to unravel some answers in this episode with the help of Dr. Gabe. We begin by tackling the aftermath of following a leaky gut repair protocol. Here's the catch - it's not a one-and-done process. Stress, lifestyle, and eagerness to reintroduce foods can all cause a relapse. It's time for some hard truths about those irresistible sugary treats and how they may be secretly sabotaging your progress.
We then navigate to the seldom-discussed link between constipation, estrogen, and leaky gut. Dr. Gabe's advice cuts through the confusion, suggesting effective remedies like magnesium citrate and Cape Aloe herbs for constipation, and highlighting the implications of infections, food intolerances, inadequate water consumption, and caffeine intake. As we delve into estrogen dominance and its contribution to a vicious cycle of leaky gut and fungal overgrowth, you'll be amazed at the interconnectedness of it all. Grounded in a simple diet change and a single herb, Dr. Gabe's approach to treating leaky gut is refreshingly uncomplicated. We also delve into identifying neurotransmitter imbalances and vitamin deficiencies, with a spotlight on dopamine and activated B6. It's time to tune in for a wealth of insights. You'll leave this episode with a renewed perspective on your health journey.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Functional Medicine and Natural
Healing Podcast, where we sharethe secrets to upgrade your
digestion, improve your hormones, restore your immune system and
detoxify your body.
I'm your host, dr HoustonAnderson.
Now let's get started.
The following discussion is foreducational purposes only.
It is not intended to diagnoseor treat any disease or disease
(00:24):
process.
Please discuss any medicaltreatments or medical
interventions with your personalphysician.
All right guys, welcome back tothe podcast.
I'm Dr Houston Anderson.
I've got Dr Gabe here today andwe're going to talk a little
bit about leaky gut again.
Our last podcast covered leakygut and two of the main
questions that we get, like whatis leaky gut and the best way
to treat leaky gut.
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So if you missed that episode,go back.
Let's go to some of theinteresting questions that come
with leaky gut.
So you listen to that podcast.
You're thinking what do I do?
What's my next step?
You're not quite to the pointwhere you need to see a doctor,
or maybe you saw a doctor andyou're all better.
So the first question I havefor you, dr Gabe, is should you
repeat a leaky gut repairprotocol and, if so, how often?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I love that because it depends.
It depends on are you followinga good diet?
Generally speaking, are youliving a healthy lifestyle?
If you are, let's say, let'sstart with stress.
So if your job is stressful oryour home life is stressful, you
might need to repeat a certaindegree of a protocol.
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But it can be specific, becauseI've had somebody come in test
for one herb and then the nexttime they come in they test for
a different herb.
But it really depends on howstressed for your lifestyle is.
If you're stressed out, maybeyou have to come in periodically
for checkups and you might needan herb when you come in.
Now.
Whether or not you have leakygut again, that's still a
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question, but something is goingdownhill because of the stress.
So maybe we're beingpreventative before leaky gut
really sets in.
Maybe it's starting that sortof thing.
Otherwise, this is a commonthing that I've seen People want
to reintroduce the foods thatthey're intolerant to and so six
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months in, three months in,whenever it is, they start
eating that food again and theneverything goes downhill and
that ends up being problematic.
Now, if they catch it and theyrealize, oh yeah, I can't have
gluten, I better go off glutenagain, it might not be no big
deal.
The last one that comes to mymind just as we're around in the
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corner, away from summer goinginto fall, of course, we got the
holidays and that's going to bethe most common time that
somebody is going to say, ah,what the heck, and they're going
to eat sugar for Halloween,they're going to eat sugar for
Thanksgiving and sugar forChristmas and probably in
between all those holidays ontop of that, and so almost
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always that's not going to gowell.
It doesn't go well for me.
Whenever I do, it Doesn't gowell for anyone, and I can
generally give advice for peopleon like you shouldn't be having
sugar every day period.
You should be having it specialevents.
So if you're going to have itaround the holidays or a really
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special event like ananniversary or something like
that, but when you do that on aday-to-day basis, it's not good.
Even on the holidays it's notgood, depending on what you're
eating.
Our local ice cream place isAndes, so if everyone loves to
go to Andes, I'm not going tothrow them under the bus.
You can look at the ingredients.
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It's generally the same type ofingredients you're going to see
everywhere else.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
If you're doing that, like the custard Andes.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, I forgot, you guys have one.
They're based here, but whenyou're eating that stuff, of
course you're not going to dovery well.
I had it with some family thatwe had a big family event and so
everyone went out to Andes.
But if you can handle a littlebit, you know a couple of days,
that's totally fine.
But if you're doing on aregular basis, those couple of
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days are going to turn rightback into the reason you came in
to see me.
So, that is most of the time toanswer your question in a very
long way is because we didsomething to end up needing that
protocol again.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
My daughter asked me one time what's the difference
between ice cream and custard?
And I was like pretty much eggs.
Right she's like.
So you're telling me custard ishealthy because it's got eggs
in it.
Right, that's protein.
Man, I thought that was prettyclever.
But yeah, no, I mean, imagineif you're sensitive to eggs and
you're eating custard as yourcheat.
You're not just getting thesugar, you're getting an immune
response, a histamine response,and you're going to feel like
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crap.
So just being aware, I mean,it's hard to be aware unless you
dialed in.
So I would say patients aresometimes the worst-of-advocates
.
Once they're healthy, theyactually can pay attention to
how they feel.
When you're sick, you have noidea what's going on.
Even if you're reacting tostuff, you don't really know
what's going on.
You're just reacting, and so Ithink that's important.
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As far as the food introduction, do you have a protocol there?
Because one of the questionshere has been on Elimination
Diet for four months.
I feel great.
How was that?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
So it depends on all the foods that they're off of.
If it's one food, then what Iusually tell them let's say with
gluten, try a little bit, seehow you feel for the next three
or four days.
Then, if you're okay, you mightwant to try a little bit more,
because not everyone's going tobe intolerant to a food for the
rest of your life.
Now it's really common for, Ithink, both of us to see one
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food, possibly long-term, thatyou're not going to be able to
eat.
That's really common.
But let's say it is that person.
They don't have that issue.
They reintroduce.
It seems to go okay.
Now with gluten, of course, I'mgoing to have some caveats.
I don't think we should beeating it all the time.
I think it is inflammatoryperiod, though it can be in a
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healthier form, which is thesprouted, fermented sourdough.
So you can definitely get itreally really good quality and
there are some helpful nutrientsand it can be a kind of a
probiotic food too.
But that being said, whatyou're going to look for is how
do I feel Now?
I am gluten intolerant.
I can handle a whole lot morethan I used to.
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I don't get a migraineimmediately, but if I eat it
consistently for a long periodof time, it'll start to build up
and there's my migraine.
And so then the question is thefirst time that I ate it, is it
causing some low degree ofinflammation?
Most likely, most likely it'scausing some degree of
inflammation.
So it's whether or not you'recomfortable with that and
whether or not that's going tolead to something down the road,
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because migraines have been notproven.
But the hypothesis is out therethat it is some sort of
autoimmune reaction, which isinteresting because of the way
it tests.
However, because of that, Idon't want to mess with that.
I don't want to develop someautoimmune thing later down the
road, because often autoimmunediseases follow each other.
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So I don't want to mess with it.
And so for somebody who saythey're off of three or four
foods, you're going to do itwith one day at a time, one food
at a time.
You're going to wait severaldays and then you're going to
try again.
So it's common for me to pulloff foods, and this is not a
food intolerance, but it's topull off, pull foods away,
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because somebody has a fungalissue.
And so a lot of sugars, a lotof different other foods could
be fructose, so a lot of thefruits depends on the person and
so I'm going to pull them offof those and then, as the fungus
is gone, or hopefully gone,we're going to reintroduce those
foods slowly, one at a time,wait a few days in between
introduction and just see howyou feel and if it is not going
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so well, you're going to pullback.
If it's going okay, you'regoing to continue to push
forward within reason.
You're obviously not going togo back to table sugar and
throwing that all over the placeand eating custard and
cheesecake and whatnot.
But yeah, that's kind of how Iapproach elimination diet.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, I think one of the things that patients mess up
on this one is that thatreaction to that food can take
up to 72 hours or so or longerbefore it really builds up, Like
you said.
Like I'm corn sensitive myself,I mean honestly I can eat it
for like 15 days before I have asingle symptom.
I choose not to do that becausemy symptom with corn is
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typically chronic fatigue andthen I don't want to get out of
bed or record podcasts or helpany patients anymore, I just
want to lay there.
So I don't enjoy doing that, soI don't do it anymore.
But that's one thing that Ilike patients to have control
over their problems.
You want to be chronicallyfatigued all the time.
That's cool, Like go ahead,like your game.
You want to have migrainesevery day and you don't care if
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you eat gluten.
That value.
I have multiple patients toactually choose migraines over
their food intolerance.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
It doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense to me, but once again
I get it.
We all make our own choices.
Okay, here's one.
I don't know if you have muchexperience with BPC-157.
I can talk about that.
If you don't.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, you go for it.
Not a ton of experience withthat one.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I mean, I know it.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I understand it to a degree but, yeah, not a ton of
experience with it.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah.
So I was introduced to BPC-157from a bunch of phone consoles
actually, where these were UCpatients, all sort of colitis
patients, that were saying like,hey, as long as I take BPC-157,
which is pretty expensive Imean they're like $100 a bottle
and a hundred I don't know ifit's 60 caps I mean you're
looking at $100 every 10 days orso, but that they're all.
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They're bleeding stopped, right.
And so after I heard it likethe fourth or fifth time, I was
like, okay, let's try this out.
So we did try it out in theoffice and there's a BPC-157 is
really cool actually where I dosee an immediate increase in
healing effect in those patients.
That being said, it lasts abouttwo weeks.
So that's my catch.
Like it up regulatesregeneration of that gut lining
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for a period of two weeks.
It's very expensive for doingthat and it goes under, in my
opinion, the band-aid story ofglutamine, of high-dose
glutamine we didn't talk aboutthis in the last podcast but
essentially, like glutamine fora UC case, social colitis case,
the dosage matters.
You might need like 25 to 27grams a day.
If you're using that, you canuse the cheap brands and that's
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a little cheaper.
But if you're using, like apeer encapsulations or a high
intent like in a good brand ofglutamine.
I mean you could be spendinglike three, four $500 a month on
glutamine to address an acuteulcerative colitis.
Now, if you don't have a doctor, I mean maybe that's what
you're doing, but it'sinteresting.
So my kind of stance on BPC-157is it has potential, but I
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haven't seen it last and I havetried it out with multiple
patients and I haven't the bigthing about peptides in general
that I'll just kind of giveeveryone a warning peptides
promote growth.
So growth when you have astagnant growth it can be
beneficial, but growth when youalready have normal growth is
called a tumor.
So we have to be careful whenwe stimulate processes with
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exogenous things, although maybenatural, but they're very
strong, right.
So it's kind of like in thatdrug category peptides just
aren't regulated yet.
That's kind of the story.
Okay, I got a patient that or,sorry, a question here that says
constipation and hard pedals.
What pebbles, constipation,hard pebbles what do you think
you would go to first if someonehad like some severe
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constipation or pebbles comingout?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
So if it's the first time they're coming in, what I'm
gonna do is similar to whatwe've been talking about.
I wanna know if do you have aninfection?
Do you have some sort ofovergrowth?
Do you have a food intolerance?
Those are the two big ones Ineed to know.
I think I had someone hererecently with a similar thing.
I can't remember the foodintolerance off hand, but if
it's gluten, if it's dairy orsomething like that, dairy is
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really common generally to causethat, but for those people you
need to remove that and thenoftentimes the constipation gets
better.
Infection you're gonna haveinflammation in your gut and
it's gonna be really hard forthat.
Now, the other thing that'sinvolved is whether your
gallbladder's functioningcorrectly, whether your stomach
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acid is functioning correctly,and that can all cause issues
with constipation, of course.
Then you got the go-to easy,simple answers, which is are you
drinking water?
That's a helpful one or are youdrinking a ton of caffeine,
which is gonna be a diuretic,and then you're gonna be just
peeing out a lot of it, and thatcan cause an issue, though less
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common than I would see.
Last one is are you magnesiumdeficient?
Those are simple ones.
Now it depends on what part ofthe country you are and how much
food you're eating Likemagnesium is definitely one of
the harder ones.
Cheese has magnesium in it.
Legumes have magnesium and thatends up becoming a little bit
of an issue for us because we'repaleo advocates and you don't
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generally eat legumes whenyou're paleo.
So from that standpoint it canbecome a little bit difficult to
get the magnesium and there issome research saying that most
likely our ancestors got it fromdrinking spring water, which we
don't often drink spring waterif you live in the city, so you
don't get as much magnesium.
So that's one of the ones thatit's an easy answer, or at least
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an easy answer until you figureout what could be an underlying
root cause.
So like giving them somemagnesium citrate, like natural
calm you can pick up in mostgrocery stores, is an easy
answer until we get to whetherit is a food intolerance and
infection or something elsecausing that.
But yeah, that's kind of my goto.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yep, and I like the citrate form of magnesium too,
so I think that's an easy one.
There are some other herbs thatI use, like if you have severe
constipation.
I often use a Cape Allo,actually like the Douglas Labs
Cape Allo For just you know, forme to heal a gut I need to have
bowel movements, soconstipation can be really a big
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problem in the office, like.
So if you're only having abowel movement once a week, I
really don't have a chance toclear everything out but once a
week.
We talked in the last podcastthat you could heal in 72 hours.
But if you have no bowelmovements for 72 hours then
you're not gonna get any better,and so that's always like every
once in a while I'll use thatband and Cape Allo for sure is a
band they just so everyoneknows.
But like it's it will stimulatea bowel movement in most people
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and so that we don't have to use, like harsh laxatives and
things like that.
But I need a bowel movement forit to work.
Like you said, gallbladderslike the first thing to go to.
You're probably not makingenough bile, especially with the
pebbles, probably not enoughbile, a little dehydration which
could be affecting thesolubility of that bile, or
estrogen dominance causing thatbile to be strong or too
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sluggish.
So it's not really like comingout like liquidy, like it should
, which takes us to the nextquestion.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Leaking that estrogen dominance?
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yeah, that's the thing, Like like give me a
connection there because, I'llbe honest, it's not a direct
connection in my opinion, likeit's not like everyone with
estrogen dominance has leaky gut, but where do you see those
things connected?
Speaker 2 (14:54):
So oftentimes you're seeing people come in presenting
with both, especially thesedays.
How often can you say, DrAnderson, somebody has estrogen
dominance walking into youroffice.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
If they're female under 40.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Seriously, it's common.
And then how much more commonis it in men now?
It's becoming pretty common,generally speaking, and so
somewhat like leaky gut, someonewalking in, you're probably
gonna assume.
That being said, how you seethe connection goes right back
to that gallbladder or liver.
So the liver sluggish, thegallbladder sluggish, and the
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gut is often not necessarilyroot but directly connected to
it.
Because of that connection,like when you absorb things for
the gut it's gonna go throughthe liver and then through
everything else in your bodyit's gonna go through the
bloodstream.
So the liver's kind of that.
You know one of thosecheckpoints.
So if your liver's not workingwell, you're not detoxifying
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well, then we're gonna have ahuge problem.
And since the liver is directlyconnected to the gut, if your
gut is sluggish because you gotleaky gut or it's inflamed or
it's just not working, great,you're constipated, that sort of
thing.
So you're gonna see thatconnection there.
The other one that comes tomind is the connection between
fungus and estrogen dominancetoo.
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So fungal overgrowth you'regonna see fungus like having a
good time with that when you areestrogen dominant, because it
feeds off of some of that andbecause of that then your
gallbladders not gonna befunctioning correctly, you're
not gonna be able to excretebile the like you should,
leading back to our wonderfullast question of constipation.
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And then you get this horriblevicious cycle.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
And somebody's gonna be inflamed, they're gonna be
overweight and all that funthings and nothing like being
constipated, overweight andestrogen dominate, right.
That's a as I'm sure the femalesenjoy that scenario in life,
and the males too.
Like you said, I actually havea patient right now where we're
doing, you know, gynecomastiatreatment, not specifically an
overweight guy, but, like youknow, specifically having growth
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and irritation in the nipplesand it's like man.
You have to address thatbecause that's not just a nipple
problem, right, it's not just aaesthetics problem, it's not
just like you don't look goodwith your shirt off as a guy.
It's more to it.
It's telling you that there'san internal problem that has to
be addressed and it's critical.
And on that note, I'mgynecomastia.
I don't know why it matters,but I just mentioned it today.
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Like it can take a while forguys, but you have to get on top
of it and keep working on it.
Okay, so that's kind of theconnection between leaky gut and
estrogen dominance.
Just because you have leaky gutdoesn't mean it causes estrogen
dominance.
Just because you have estrogendominance, you don't have to
have leaky gut.
But let's go to kind of I'd say, one of the last couple of
questions here, or maybe thelast question.
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Someone says you know what'sthe most important thing to do.
I'm all online and I'moverwhelmed with how much I can
do.
What's my first step?
What would you say?
Give them something simple, drGabe.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
So that they're just overwhelmed with everything.
How are you gonna deal withthis?
It depends on the person andhow willing they are.
I've had people that are muchmore willing, even though they
state something like that, tofollow some of my protocols.
Sometimes I just go reallysimple and it's good that you
brought this up, because I dohave somebody here recently that
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was very much like that and soI'm taking it very slow with
them.
They have a lot going on, a lot, and so with that in mind, you
know it's maybe just a singleherb, a simple diet change, and
then we take it from there andthen, if they can handle a
little bit more, a little bitmore.
But then I have people whereyou absolutely need to fix your
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diet.
It can't be eating Doritos andCheetos and all the other stuff
and then you go gluten-free andthat's it, like that's not gonna
do the trick at all.
You're gonna have problems withthat.
So if they're feelingoverwhelmed my number one thing,
because they have leaky gut Iwould not doubt that they're not
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making their neurotransmitterscorrectly.
And if they're not making theirneurotransmitters correctly,
especially feeling overwhelmedfrom stress, I am thinking
dopamine.
Dopamine is the one that mostpeople are not paying attention
to.
You're always paying attentionto serotonin, and 90% some 90%
is created in your gut.
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Now there isn't that directconnection between the gut and
the brain the way we want it toLike.
You can't just take serotoninfrom your gut and put it in your
brain.
It doesn't work like that.
But the same mechanisms areactually, and so with dopamine,
about 50% is made gut, and so ifwe're noticing something like
that, I am going to directlyaddress that.
So I'm gonna ask questions.
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I'm gonna be like are youlacking concern for others?
Do you have feelings ofhopelessness or worthlessness?
Do you have kind of a moreagitated depression, like you're
on edge?
You can easily lose your temper.
There could be like low libidoalready present, maybe some
addiction issues.
But then the big one that I'llask how's your motivation,
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especially in the morning?
And if those are all checked,I'm going straight to dopamine
and I wanna know where are theybreaking down in the pathway
that we create, how we createdopamine?
A lot of these people are gonnahave thyroid issues too,
whether secondary or primary,and so you're just drawing these
connections between all of them.
And then I wanna know whichvitamin or mineral most likely
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they're deficient in, andprobably by most common for me,
is the activated B6, paradoxal5-phosphate.
I see that a lot.
It's not the only one, but itis common for dopamine and this
will help them in the meantime.
It is not going to fix theproblem.
It's gonna help them in themeantime get things pumped, get
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it going, and so then the diet,the changes, the herbs and so on
can do the work behind thescene that really needs to be
done, but this can at least helpthem deal with the stress in
the meantime.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, you went from simple to complex.
I'm going to give you that.
But I will say I will say,essentially what you did was two
fold.
Is the overwhelm?
Was that whole second part?
If you're just feelingoverwhelmed in general, I think
he just gave you a lot ofinsight into that.
As far as just going straight,leaky, got what to do, Like you
said, clean up the diet, takeone antimicrobial that one of us
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recommends.
That's pretty good.
I mean, you can go to the lastpodcast with three or four,
choose one.
Clean up your diet, call it aday.
Whatever.
Your version of cleaning up thediet is right If that's a
flawless diet, great.
If you can't do a flawless diet, great.
You know, start cutting back,get your health on the right
journey, and I would say that'sthe basics.
That's all the questions we hadfor today.
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We didn't have a ton today thisweek.
Do you have any specific onesthat you hear all the time that
you want to talk about today,Doc?
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I mean we probably covered most of the ones that I
tend to hear with leaky gut.
Like, most people are concernedbecause they hear it, they're
scared.
The only other thing that Icould imagine that would show up
is leaky brain.
I have heard a lot of peopletalk about the gut brain axis
and how important that is, whichI kind of just indirectly
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answered with the dopamine sideof things.
Yeah, you for sure will havebleed over into that.
The other big one is like GABA,because people are just overly
stressed or anxious and a lot oftimes they just need some GABA.
So there are great herbs forthat.
There is also just, you know,taking B6 or zinc or something
like that can help.
And the only other thing like,yeah, you mentioned, I want
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complex.
You'll probably always going tohear me kind of do a little bit
of that, because one of thethings that bothers me when I
listen to podcasts is peoplehold back.
I don't want doctors or anyoneto hold back.
As much as it's difficult maybeto understand, I don't want
anyone to hold back when youknow your health is on the line.
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It's not necessary that I'mtrying to hide this behind a
paywall or anything like that.
It's information that I'velearned, that me and Dr Anderson
have learned that we reallywant to help people get better,
and so if we can provide justthat one little thing that could
help you get better, we'regoing to do that instead of
talking only in generalities.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I like that.
It does get complex, hence Imean that was the other thing I
thought about what's like theeasiest way to get better from a
leaky gut?
Give Dr David call, get on thephone, have him figure it out
for you and just followinstructions.
You know, he says take threepills a day.
You take three pills a day.
That's really, that's a reallysimple way to do it is get
someone else to do it for you,someone that's trained in things
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like that.
But no, I love the passion forhealing people.
I think that one of thequestions we went over when we
were going to add Dr Gabe as aco host was you know, are we
going to put all this researchout there?
And my direct answer was no,we're not going to put any
research.
You can, fact check me all daylong.
I don't care.
That's your time, but I'm notgoing to spend my time providing
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research articles for you toverify what I see, and my job is
to go and do my own researchand come up with conclusions
clinically.
But I think that that's theevolution of holistic medicine.
What you need is doctors thatcan think on their own, assess
the tall, the, all the articlesthat you read all of the
research that you read and thenhow does that apply to the
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patient?
So, like you said, like youprobably wouldn't treat a leaky
gut with depression withoutgetting them something for that
depression, even if it's assimple as B six.
So I love that.
Last thing I'll say is justbecause he was mine and, like
you said, don't hold back right,but everyone takes these be
complexes and I just drives mecrazy.
So let's say that you do haveanxiety and you stack like a or
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dopamine issues.
Let's go back to your exampledopamine issues and you're
feeling like a target in themorning, low motivation, you
know, not not really interestedin doing anything with life
right now.
And if you take a B six and afive mthf, most of the time
you'll actually end up neutral,right.
So not always.
Sometimes people do need allthe B vitamins.
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But I, my experience is this ifyou're doing B vitamins, you
want to do them individually tosee the response.
And even that B six is required, you know, for healthy
metabolism, the glutamine thatyou're taking.
So there's a lot of reasons totake that B six.
I'm not opposed all themethylation products, I'm just
saying probably be six was morecommon in my office previously.
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I use a little less now, butdefinitely probably one of the
most common.
I do use some combo products ofB six and B nine, just to be
transparent right there, butthere's only specific brands
that actually seem to have theright ratios, that that promote
brain health the way that I wantto.
So once again, I think I thinkjust paying attention, and once
again calling a doctor.
If Dr Gabe can figure out thatit's low dopamine versus low
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serotonin, both of them feel bador somewhat depressed.
Both of them are somewhat not sohappy in life.
But the doctor can tease thatout for you a little bit, and so
that's all I would say.
You can reach out to either oneof us.
I'm easily accessible onInstagram.
Probably for about anothermonth I'm still answering DMs,
but if you listen to this over amonth from now, that's going to
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be blocked off because we gettoo many DMs in a day and it's
hard to keep up.
So definitely you can schedulea phone console with me or you
can schedule a phone consolewith Dr Gabe.
Any final words, doc?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
No, I love it, love everything you just said.
Yeah, 100%, I like you.
I mean I am easy to get a holdof and stuff, but yeah, I start
to get overwhelmed, like you.
Same thing, it's just I got tohave focus for the patients that
I do.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
So, once again, not a paywall thing, just trying to
make sure that we can serve thepeople that we do, making sure
we can get back to the emailsand the people that have
committed to seeing usfinancially.
That is but long story short.
Find me on Instagram.
We have all some of the videofrom this podcast as well as
like just replays so it canremind you of the stuff that we
talked about.
You'll find both Dr Gabe and meon Instagram and then come find
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us there and hang out with usand find more information that
you may be missing, and we'llbring another podcast and
another week for you.
Thanks a lot for listening.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yep, see you next time.
Welcome to the Functional Medicine and Natural
Healing Podcast, where we sharethe secrets to upgrade your
digestion, improve your hormones, restore your immune system and
detoxify your body.
I'm your host, dr HoustonAnderson.
Now let's get started.
The following discussion is foreducational purposes only.
It is not intended to diagnoseor treat any disease or disease
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process.
Please discuss any medicaltreatments or medical
interventions with your personalphysician.
All right guys, welcome back tothe podcast.
I'm Dr Houston Anderson.
I've got Dr Gabe here today andwe're going to talk a little
bit about leaky gut again.
Our last podcast covered leakygut and two of the main
questions that we get, like whatis leaky gut and the best way
to treat leaky gut.
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So if you missed that episode,go back.
Let's go to some of theinteresting questions that come
with leaky gut.
So you listen to that podcast.
You're thinking what do I do?
What's my next step?
You're not quite to the pointwhere you need to see a doctor,
or maybe you saw a doctor andyou're all better.
So the first question I havefor you, dr Gabe, is should you
repeat a leaky gut repairprotocol and, if so, how often?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I love that because it depends.
It depends on are you followinga good diet?
Generally speaking, are youliving a healthy lifestyle?
If you are, let's say, let'sstart with stress.
So if your job is stressful oryour home life is stressful, you
might need to repeat a certaindegree of a protocol.
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But it can be specific, becauseI've had somebody come in test
for one herb and then the nexttime they come in they test for
a different herb.
But it really depends on howstressed for your lifestyle is.
If you're stressed out, maybeyou have to come in periodically
for checkups and you might needan herb when you come in.
Now.
Whether or not you have leakygut again, that's still a
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question, but something is goingdownhill because of the stress.
So maybe we're beingpreventative before leaky gut
really sets in.
Maybe it's starting that sortof thing.
Otherwise, this is a commonthing that I've seen People want
to reintroduce the foods thatthey're intolerant to and so six
(02:09):
months in, three months in,whenever it is, they start
eating that food again and theneverything goes downhill and
that ends up being problematic.
Now, if they catch it and theyrealize, oh yeah, I can't have
gluten, I better go off glutenagain, it might not be no big
deal.
The last one that comes to mymind just as we're around in the
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corner, away from summer goinginto fall, of course, we got the
holidays and that's going to bethe most common time that
somebody is going to say, ah,what the heck, and they're going
to eat sugar for Halloween,they're going to eat sugar for
Thanksgiving and sugar forChristmas and probably in
between all those holidays ontop of that, and so almost
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always that's not going to gowell.
It doesn't go well for me.
Whenever I do, it Doesn't gowell for anyone, and I can
generally give advice for peopleon like you shouldn't be having
sugar every day period.
You should be having it specialevents.
So if you're going to have itaround the holidays or a really
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special event like ananniversary or something like
that, but when you do that on aday-to-day basis, it's not good.
Even on the holidays it's notgood, depending on what you're
eating.
Our local ice cream place isAndes, so if everyone loves to
go to Andes, I'm not going tothrow them under the bus.
You can look at the ingredients.
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It's generally the same type ofingredients you're going to see
everywhere else.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
If you're doing that, like the custard Andes.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, I forgot, you guys have one.
They're based here, but whenyou're eating that stuff, of
course you're not going to dovery well.
I had it with some family thatwe had a big family event and so
everyone went out to Andes.
But if you can handle a littlebit, you know a couple of days,
that's totally fine.
But if you're doing on aregular basis, those couple of
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days are going to turn rightback into the reason you came in
to see me.
So, that is most of the time toanswer your question in a very
long way is because we didsomething to end up needing that
protocol again.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
My daughter asked me one time what's the difference
between ice cream and custard?
And I was like pretty much eggs.
Right she's like.
So you're telling me custard ishealthy because it's got eggs
in it.
Right, that's protein.
Man, I thought that was prettyclever.
But yeah, no, I mean, imagineif you're sensitive to eggs and
you're eating custard as yourcheat.
You're not just getting thesugar, you're getting an immune
response, a histamine response,and you're going to feel like
(04:38):
crap.
So just being aware, I mean,it's hard to be aware unless you
dialed in.
So I would say patients aresometimes the worst-of-advocates
.
Once they're healthy, theyactually can pay attention to
how they feel.
When you're sick, you have noidea what's going on.
Even if you're reacting tostuff, you don't really know
what's going on.
You're just reacting, and so Ithink that's important.
(04:59):
As far as the food introduction, do you have a protocol there?
Because one of the questionshere has been on Elimination
Diet for four months.
I feel great.
How was that?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
So it depends on all the foods that they're off of.
If it's one food, then what Iusually tell them let's say with
gluten, try a little bit, seehow you feel for the next three
or four days.
Then, if you're okay, you mightwant to try a little bit more,
because not everyone's going tobe intolerant to a food for the
rest of your life.
Now it's really common for, Ithink, both of us to see one
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food, possibly long-term, thatyou're not going to be able to
eat.
That's really common.
But let's say it is that person.
They don't have that issue.
They reintroduce.
It seems to go okay.
Now with gluten, of course, I'mgoing to have some caveats.
I don't think we should beeating it all the time.
I think it is inflammatoryperiod, though it can be in a
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healthier form, which is thesprouted, fermented sourdough.
So you can definitely get itreally really good quality and
there are some helpful nutrientsand it can be a kind of a
probiotic food too.
But that being said, whatyou're going to look for is how
do I feel Now?
I am gluten intolerant.
I can handle a whole lot morethan I used to.
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I don't get a migraineimmediately, but if I eat it
consistently for a long periodof time, it'll start to build up
and there's my migraine.
And so then the question is thefirst time that I ate it, is it
causing some low degree ofinflammation?
Most likely, most likely it'scausing some degree of
inflammation.
So it's whether or not you'recomfortable with that and
whether or not that's going tolead to something down the road,
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because migraines have been notproven.
But the hypothesis is out therethat it is some sort of
autoimmune reaction, which isinteresting because of the way
it tests.
However, because of that, Idon't want to mess with that.
I don't want to develop someautoimmune thing later down the
road, because often autoimmunediseases follow each other.
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So I don't want to mess with it.
And so for somebody who saythey're off of three or four
foods, you're going to do itwith one day at a time, one food
at a time.
You're going to wait severaldays and then you're going to
try again.
So it's common for me to pulloff foods, and this is not a
food intolerance, but it's topull off, pull foods away,
(07:14):
because somebody has a fungalissue.
And so a lot of sugars, a lotof different other foods could
be fructose, so a lot of thefruits depends on the person and
so I'm going to pull them offof those and then, as the fungus
is gone, or hopefully gone,we're going to reintroduce those
foods slowly, one at a time,wait a few days in between
introduction and just see howyou feel and if it is not going
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so well, you're going to pullback.
If it's going okay, you'regoing to continue to push
forward within reason.
You're obviously not going togo back to table sugar and
throwing that all over the placeand eating custard and
cheesecake and whatnot.
But yeah, that's kind of how Iapproach elimination diet.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, I think one of the things that patients mess up
on this one is that thatreaction to that food can take
up to 72 hours or so or longerbefore it really builds up, Like
you said.
Like I'm corn sensitive myself,I mean honestly I can eat it
for like 15 days before I have asingle symptom.
I choose not to do that becausemy symptom with corn is
(08:15):
typically chronic fatigue andthen I don't want to get out of
bed or record podcasts or helpany patients anymore, I just
want to lay there.
So I don't enjoy doing that, soI don't do it anymore.
But that's one thing that Ilike patients to have control
over their problems.
You want to be chronicallyfatigued all the time.
That's cool, Like go ahead,like your game.
You want to have migrainesevery day and you don't care if
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you eat gluten.
That value.
I have multiple patients toactually choose migraines over
their food intolerance.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
It doesn't make any sense to me.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense to me, but once again
I get it.
We all make our own choices.
Okay, here's one.
I don't know if you have muchexperience with BPC-157.
I can talk about that.
If you don't.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, you go for it.
Not a ton of experience withthat one.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I mean, I know it.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I understand it to a degree but, yeah, not a ton of
experience with it.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah.
So I was introduced to BPC-157from a bunch of phone consoles
actually, where these were UCpatients, all sort of colitis
patients, that were saying like,hey, as long as I take BPC-157,
which is pretty expensive Imean they're like $100 a bottle
and a hundred I don't know ifit's 60 caps I mean you're
looking at $100 every 10 days orso, but that they're all.
(09:26):
They're bleeding stopped, right.
And so after I heard it likethe fourth or fifth time, I was
like, okay, let's try this out.
So we did try it out in theoffice and there's a BPC-157 is
really cool actually where I dosee an immediate increase in
healing effect in those patients.
That being said, it lasts abouttwo weeks.
So that's my catch.
Like it up regulatesregeneration of that gut lining
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for a period of two weeks.
It's very expensive for doingthat and it goes under, in my
opinion, the band-aid story ofglutamine, of high-dose
glutamine we didn't talk aboutthis in the last podcast but
essentially, like glutamine fora UC case, social colitis case,
the dosage matters.
You might need like 25 to 27grams a day.
If you're using that, you canuse the cheap brands and that's
(10:11):
a little cheaper.
But if you're using, like apeer encapsulations or a high
intent like in a good brand ofglutamine.
I mean you could be spendinglike three, four $500 a month on
glutamine to address an acuteulcerative colitis.
Now, if you don't have a doctor, I mean maybe that's what
you're doing, but it'sinteresting.
So my kind of stance on BPC-157is it has potential, but I
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haven't seen it last and I havetried it out with multiple
patients and I haven't the bigthing about peptides in general
that I'll just kind of giveeveryone a warning peptides
promote growth.
So growth when you have astagnant growth it can be
beneficial, but growth when youalready have normal growth is
called a tumor.
So we have to be careful whenwe stimulate processes with
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exogenous things, although maybenatural, but they're very
strong, right.
So it's kind of like in thatdrug category peptides just
aren't regulated yet.
That's kind of the story.
Okay, I got a patient that or,sorry, a question here that says
constipation and hard pedals.
What pebbles, constipation,hard pebbles what do you think
you would go to first if someonehad like some severe
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constipation or pebbles comingout?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
So if it's the first time they're coming in, what I'm
gonna do is similar to whatwe've been talking about.
I wanna know if do you have aninfection?
Do you have some sort ofovergrowth?
Do you have a food intolerance?
Those are the two big ones Ineed to know.
I think I had someone hererecently with a similar thing.
I can't remember the foodintolerance off hand, but if
it's gluten, if it's dairy orsomething like that, dairy is
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really common generally to causethat, but for those people you
need to remove that and thenoftentimes the constipation gets
better.
Infection you're gonna haveinflammation in your gut and
it's gonna be really hard forthat.
Now, the other thing that'sinvolved is whether your
gallbladder's functioningcorrectly, whether your stomach
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acid is functioning correctly,and that can all cause issues
with constipation, of course.
Then you got the go-to easy,simple answers, which is are you
drinking water?
That's a helpful one or are youdrinking a ton of caffeine,
which is gonna be a diuretic,and then you're gonna be just
peeing out a lot of it, and thatcan cause an issue, though less
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common than I would see.
Last one is are you magnesiumdeficient?
Those are simple ones.
Now it depends on what part ofthe country you are and how much
food you're eating Likemagnesium is definitely one of
the harder ones.
Cheese has magnesium in it.
Legumes have magnesium and thatends up becoming a little bit
of an issue for us because we'repaleo advocates and you don't
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generally eat legumes whenyou're paleo.
So from that standpoint it canbecome a little bit difficult to
get the magnesium and there issome research saying that most
likely our ancestors got it fromdrinking spring water, which we
don't often drink spring waterif you live in the city, so you
don't get as much magnesium.
So that's one of the ones thatit's an easy answer, or at least
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an easy answer until you figureout what could be an underlying
root cause.
So like giving them somemagnesium citrate, like natural
calm you can pick up in mostgrocery stores, is an easy
answer until we get to whetherit is a food intolerance and
infection or something elsecausing that.
But yeah, that's kind of my goto.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yep, and I like the citrate form of magnesium too,
so I think that's an easy one.
There are some other herbs thatI use, like if you have severe
constipation.
I often use a Cape Allo,actually like the Douglas Labs
Cape Allo For just you know, forme to heal a gut I need to have
bowel movements, soconstipation can be really a big
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problem in the office, like.
So if you're only having abowel movement once a week, I
really don't have a chance toclear everything out but once a
week.
We talked in the last podcastthat you could heal in 72 hours.
But if you have no bowelmovements for 72 hours then
you're not gonna get any better,and so that's always like every
once in a while I'll use thatband and Cape Allo for sure is a
band they just so everyoneknows.
But like it's it will stimulatea bowel movement in most people
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and so that we don't have to use, like harsh laxatives and
things like that.
But I need a bowel movement forit to work.
Like you said, gallbladderslike the first thing to go to.
You're probably not makingenough bile, especially with the
pebbles, probably not enoughbile, a little dehydration which
could be affecting thesolubility of that bile, or
estrogen dominance causing thatbile to be strong or too
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sluggish.
So it's not really like comingout like liquidy, like it should
, which takes us to the nextquestion.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Leaking that estrogen dominance?
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Yeah, that's the thing, Like like give me a
connection there because, I'llbe honest, it's not a direct
connection in my opinion, likeit's not like everyone with
estrogen dominance has leaky gut, but where do you see those
things connected?
Speaker 2 (14:54):
So oftentimes you're seeing people come in presenting
with both, especially thesedays.
How often can you say, DrAnderson, somebody has estrogen
dominance walking into youroffice.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
If they're female under 40.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Seriously, it's common.
And then how much more commonis it in men now?
It's becoming pretty common,generally speaking, and so
somewhat like leaky gut, someonewalking in, you're probably
gonna assume.
That being said, how you seethe connection goes right back
to that gallbladder or liver.
So the liver sluggish, thegallbladder sluggish, and the
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gut is often not necessarilyroot but directly connected to
it.
Because of that connection,like when you absorb things for
the gut it's gonna go throughthe liver and then through
everything else in your bodyit's gonna go through the
bloodstream.
So the liver's kind of that.
You know one of thosecheckpoints.
So if your liver's not workingwell, you're not detoxifying
(15:52):
well, then we're gonna have ahuge problem.
And since the liver is directlyconnected to the gut, if your
gut is sluggish because you gotleaky gut or it's inflamed or
it's just not working, great,you're constipated, that sort of
thing.
So you're gonna see thatconnection there.
The other one that comes tomind is the connection between
fungus and estrogen dominancetoo.
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So fungal overgrowth you'regonna see fungus like having a
good time with that when you areestrogen dominant, because it
feeds off of some of that andbecause of that then your
gallbladders not gonna befunctioning correctly, you're
not gonna be able to excretebile the like you should,
leading back to our wonderfullast question of constipation.
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And then you get this horriblevicious cycle.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
And somebody's gonna be inflamed, they're gonna be
overweight and all that funthings and nothing like being
constipated, overweight andestrogen dominate, right.
That's a as I'm sure the femalesenjoy that scenario in life,
and the males too.
Like you said, I actually havea patient right now where we're
doing, you know, gynecomastiatreatment, not specifically an
overweight guy, but, like youknow, specifically having growth
(16:58):
and irritation in the nipplesand it's like man.
You have to address thatbecause that's not just a nipple
problem, right, it's not just aaesthetics problem, it's not
just like you don't look goodwith your shirt off as a guy.
It's more to it.
It's telling you that there'san internal problem that has to
be addressed and it's critical.
And on that note, I'mgynecomastia.
I don't know why it matters,but I just mentioned it today.
(17:18):
Like it can take a while forguys, but you have to get on top
of it and keep working on it.
Okay, so that's kind of theconnection between leaky gut and
estrogen dominance.
Just because you have leaky gutdoesn't mean it causes estrogen
dominance.
Just because you have estrogendominance, you don't have to
have leaky gut.
But let's go to kind of I'd say, one of the last couple of
questions here, or maybe thelast question.
(17:38):
Someone says you know what'sthe most important thing to do.
I'm all online and I'moverwhelmed with how much I can
do.
What's my first step?
What would you say?
Give them something simple, drGabe.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
So that they're just overwhelmed with everything.
How are you gonna deal withthis?
It depends on the person andhow willing they are.
I've had people that are muchmore willing, even though they
state something like that, tofollow some of my protocols.
Sometimes I just go reallysimple and it's good that you
brought this up, because I dohave somebody here recently that
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was very much like that and soI'm taking it very slow with
them.
They have a lot going on, a lot, and so with that in mind, you
know it's maybe just a singleherb, a simple diet change, and
then we take it from there andthen, if they can handle a
little bit more, a little bitmore.
But then I have people whereyou absolutely need to fix your
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diet.
It can't be eating Doritos andCheetos and all the other stuff
and then you go gluten-free andthat's it, like that's not gonna
do the trick at all.
You're gonna have problems withthat.
So if they're feelingoverwhelmed my number one thing,
because they have leaky gut Iwould not doubt that they're not
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making their neurotransmitterscorrectly.
And if they're not making theirneurotransmitters correctly,
especially feeling overwhelmedfrom stress, I am thinking
dopamine.
Dopamine is the one that mostpeople are not paying attention
to.
You're always paying attentionto serotonin, and 90% some 90%
is created in your gut.
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Now there isn't that directconnection between the gut and
the brain the way we want it toLike.
You can't just take serotoninfrom your gut and put it in your
brain.
It doesn't work like that.
But the same mechanisms areactually, and so with dopamine,
about 50% is made gut, and so ifwe're noticing something like
that, I am going to directlyaddress that.
So I'm gonna ask questions.
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I'm gonna be like are youlacking concern for others?
Do you have feelings ofhopelessness or worthlessness?
Do you have kind of a moreagitated depression, like you're
on edge?
You can easily lose your temper.
There could be like low libidoalready present, maybe some
addiction issues.
But then the big one that I'llask how's your motivation,
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especially in the morning?
And if those are all checked,I'm going straight to dopamine
and I wanna know where are theybreaking down in the pathway
that we create, how we createdopamine?
A lot of these people are gonnahave thyroid issues too,
whether secondary or primary,and so you're just drawing these
connections between all of them.
And then I wanna know whichvitamin or mineral most likely
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they're deficient in, andprobably by most common for me,
is the activated B6, paradoxal5-phosphate.
I see that a lot.
It's not the only one, but itis common for dopamine and this
will help them in the meantime.
It is not going to fix theproblem.
It's gonna help them in themeantime get things pumped, get
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it going, and so then the diet,the changes, the herbs and so on
can do the work behind thescene that really needs to be
done, but this can at least helpthem deal with the stress in
the meantime.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, you went from simple to complex.
I'm going to give you that.
But I will say I will say,essentially what you did was two
fold.
Is the overwhelm?
Was that whole second part?
If you're just feelingoverwhelmed in general, I think
he just gave you a lot ofinsight into that.
As far as just going straight,leaky, got what to do, Like you
said, clean up the diet, takeone antimicrobial that one of us
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recommends.
That's pretty good.
I mean, you can go to the lastpodcast with three or four,
choose one.
Clean up your diet, call it aday.
Whatever.
Your version of cleaning up thediet is right If that's a
flawless diet, great.
If you can't do a flawless diet, great.
You know, start cutting back,get your health on the right
journey, and I would say that'sthe basics.
That's all the questions we hadfor today.
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We didn't have a ton today thisweek.
Do you have any specific onesthat you hear all the time that
you want to talk about today,Doc?
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I mean we probably covered most of the ones that I
tend to hear with leaky gut.
Like, most people are concernedbecause they hear it, they're
scared.
The only other thing that Icould imagine that would show up
is leaky brain.
I have heard a lot of peopletalk about the gut brain axis
and how important that is, whichI kind of just indirectly
(22:07):
answered with the dopamine sideof things.
Yeah, you for sure will havebleed over into that.
The other big one is like GABA,because people are just overly
stressed or anxious and a lot oftimes they just need some GABA.
So there are great herbs forthat.
There is also just, you know,taking B6 or zinc or something
like that can help.
And the only other thing like,yeah, you mentioned, I want
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complex.
You'll probably always going tohear me kind of do a little bit
of that, because one of thethings that bothers me when I
listen to podcasts is peoplehold back.
I don't want doctors or anyoneto hold back.
As much as it's difficult maybeto understand, I don't want
anyone to hold back when youknow your health is on the line.
(22:49):
It's not necessary that I'mtrying to hide this behind a
paywall or anything like that.
It's information that I'velearned, that me and Dr Anderson
have learned that we reallywant to help people get better,
and so if we can provide justthat one little thing that could
help you get better, we'regoing to do that instead of
talking only in generalities.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
I like that.
It does get complex, hence Imean that was the other thing I
thought about what's like theeasiest way to get better from a
leaky gut?
Give Dr David call, get on thephone, have him figure it out
for you and just followinstructions.
You know, he says take threepills a day.
You take three pills a day.
That's really, that's a reallysimple way to do it is get
someone else to do it for you,someone that's trained in things
(23:30):
like that.
But no, I love the passion forhealing people.
I think that one of thequestions we went over when we
were going to add Dr Gabe as aco host was you know, are we
going to put all this researchout there?
And my direct answer was no,we're not going to put any
research.
You can, fact check me all daylong.
I don't care.
That's your time, but I'm notgoing to spend my time providing
(23:52):
research articles for you toverify what I see, and my job is
to go and do my own researchand come up with conclusions
clinically.
But I think that that's theevolution of holistic medicine.
What you need is doctors thatcan think on their own, assess
the tall, the, all the articlesthat you read all of the
research that you read and thenhow does that apply to the
(24:13):
patient?
So, like you said, like youprobably wouldn't treat a leaky
gut with depression withoutgetting them something for that
depression, even if it's assimple as B six.
So I love that.
Last thing I'll say is justbecause he was mine and, like
you said, don't hold back right,but everyone takes these be
complexes and I just drives mecrazy.
So let's say that you do haveanxiety and you stack like a or
(24:36):
dopamine issues.
Let's go back to your exampledopamine issues and you're
feeling like a target in themorning, low motivation, you
know, not not really interestedin doing anything with life
right now.
And if you take a B six and afive mthf, most of the time
you'll actually end up neutral,right.
So not always.
Sometimes people do need allthe B vitamins.
(24:56):
But I, my experience is this ifyou're doing B vitamins, you
want to do them individually tosee the response.
And even that B six is required, you know, for healthy
metabolism, the glutamine thatyou're taking.
So there's a lot of reasons totake that B six.
I'm not opposed all themethylation products, I'm just
saying probably be six was morecommon in my office previously.
(25:16):
I use a little less now, butdefinitely probably one of the
most common.
I do use some combo products ofB six and B nine, just to be
transparent right there, butthere's only specific brands
that actually seem to have theright ratios, that that promote
brain health the way that I wantto.
So once again, I think I thinkjust paying attention, and once
again calling a doctor.
If Dr Gabe can figure out thatit's low dopamine versus low
(25:37):
serotonin, both of them feel bador somewhat depressed.
Both of them are somewhat not sohappy in life.
But the doctor can tease thatout for you a little bit, and so
that's all I would say.
You can reach out to either oneof us.
I'm easily accessible onInstagram.
Probably for about anothermonth I'm still answering DMs,
but if you listen to this over amonth from now, that's going to
(26:00):
be blocked off because we gettoo many DMs in a day and it's
hard to keep up.
So definitely you can schedulea phone console with me or you
can schedule a phone consolewith Dr Gabe.
Any final words, doc?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
No, I love it, love everything you just said.
Yeah, 100%, I like you.
I mean I am easy to get a holdof and stuff, but yeah, I start
to get overwhelmed, like you.
Same thing, it's just I got tohave focus for the patients that
I do.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
So, once again, not a paywall thing, just trying to
make sure that we can serve thepeople that we do, making sure
we can get back to the emailsand the people that have
committed to seeing usfinancially.
That is but long story short.
Find me on Instagram.
We have all some of the videofrom this podcast as well as
like just replays so it canremind you of the stuff that we
talked about.
You'll find both Dr Gabe and meon Instagram and then come find
(26:49):
us there and hang out with usand find more information that
you may be missing, and we'llbring another podcast and
another week for you.
Thanks a lot for listening.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yep, see you next time.
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