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Ever wondered why T3 and T4 might not convert or improve when your TSH is in the normal range? Or maybe you're concerned about maintaining optimal health following thyroid or gallbladder surgeries? Join us, Dr. Houston Anderson and Dr. Gabe, as we illuminate the often murky waters of thyroid health, tackling these queries and many more. We peel back the layers of thyroid function, exploring topics like the ideal TSH range, managing health post thyroid and gallbladder operations, and, most importantly, how to determine the root cause of thyroid nodules.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Functional Medicine and Natural
Healing Podcast, where we sharethe secrets to upgrade your
digestion, improve your hormones, restore your immune system and
detoxify your body.
I'm your host, dr HoustonAnderson.
Now let's get started.
The following discussion is foreducational purposes only.
It is not intended to diagnoseor treat any disease or disease
(00:24):
process.
Please discuss any medicaltreatments or medical
interventions with your personalphysician.
All right guys, welcome back tothe podcast.
I'm Dr Houston Anderson and I'mhere with Dr Gabe and today
we're going to answer yourquestions that you submitted on
Instagram on essentially thyroid.
So some of these are alwaysalways they get interesting.
(00:46):
But we'll see what we can dohere and we'll just jump right
to it so you guys don't have towaste any time.
And I think the first questionis probably the most applicable
to the last podcast, where weshould definitely review some of
those things.
But the question is why does T3and T4 not convert or is not
improving when the TSH is normal?
So can you give me a couplescenarios, doc, where that might
(01:07):
be a scenario that you couldsee in your office?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So I think that goes back to just conversion issues
in general, so it has nothing todo with the thyroid itself.
It's like the liver, the gut,the periphery.
Something's going on there.
So whether it's reverse T3problems where I mean generally
it's inflammation, things ofthat sort that's causing reverse
T3 to be an issue or we'relooking at just general
(01:32):
conversion issues, so like needfor zinc or selenium or
something like that.
Now, of course, there's someother things that could be
affecting it, especially likewhat do you mean by TSH being
optimal?
Yeah, because I've heard like Iwas listening to one functional
medicine doctor and he saidanything above, I think 0.25 or
0.5.
(01:52):
And I was like that's low.
That's actually low.
You need it above 1.8 becausewe forget that anything below
1.8 generally is like bloodsugar or something else is
messing with the thyroid andthen you're going to end up with
some hypothyroid type symptoms.
Tsh is not jacking up and goinghigh.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
That's interesting, yeah, so the only caveat I find
is like when people aremedicating, it seems like their
TSH should be a little bit lowerin order to get quote unquote
the hit or the effect from thedrug, because obviously we know
the drug is not going to doexactly what the body does by
itself.
So sometimes I'll see that.
Yeah, because I do tell peopleone to three is a solid range if
(02:33):
you're just struggling withthyroid things Though I'm not
saying it's perfectly optimaland in fact I really struggle
with saying numbers exactly butI do like that you say when it
gets too low, we have otherproblems that we're dealing with
.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Right, Yep, yep, and we have to ask all those
questions too.
It's just like we don't knowfor sure which one it is Right
and, like you said, one to three, I'm fine with that range too,
if the person is feeling okay,right and there's no other
issues showing up.
But, generally speaking, if Isee it before low 1.8 and then
(03:05):
they're complaining of differentthyroid type symptoms and I'm
like, okay, we need toinvestigate that.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, If I look into that question and I kind of
think, like what was this persontrying to ask?
And once again I don't evenknow who the questions are
coming from and I actually trynot to worry about who they came
from.
That way I give an answerthat's applicable to all people.
But it almost makes me wonderare we being too crazy about our
T3 and T4?
When the TSH is normal?
So let's just say your TSH is abeautiful 2.0.
(03:33):
And then your doctor's like, ohyeah, but your T3 is not
optimal, so they might start tomedicate you.
So my biggest thing there andwhen I'm saying medicate you,
these are like holistic doctorsthat are a little bit too into
medicating for thyroidmedications.
And so my thought is this yeah,if your TSH is normal or in an
optimal range worse, thrown outnumbers like one to three, if
(03:55):
you feel well and your T3 and T4are off, what you're looking at
is just, like you said, theperiphery.
Go and attack some other healthproblems, see if it normalizes,
but don't mess with the thyroidtoo much.
Make sure your liver feels good, Make sure your digestion is
working well, Make sure that youdon't have systemic
inflammation, like you said,sometimes an immune disorder
that we use like oh man, all myjoints ache all the time or
(04:18):
something like that no othersigns or symptoms of
inflammation.
And then come back and retestthat T3 and T4 and you'll find
that if you fix those problems,usually it comes right in the
range that you're looking for.
So what you're saying is weshould be actually holistic,
yeah so yeah, we shouldn'tprescribe just because we have a
thyroid in our body.
(04:38):
Okay, so cool.
So let's go to the next one,because this is a pretty good
question.
It says how do you shrink yourthyroid nodule on the right side
specifically, but I think itapplies to both sides.
But how would you shrink athyroid nodule, doc.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
So it's kind of interesting.
In the last couple of weeksI've had a few Hashimoto's cases
that have popped up and each ofthem were complaining initially
of like a goiter, so just anenlarged thyroid.
Okay, like knowing the historyof the family and stuff like
that.
I was like we need to run thesetests, we need to know for sure
(05:16):
and sure enough, hashimoto's.
So really we got to figure outwhat's going on in the first
place.
Do we have some inflammation,do we have something related to
like Hashimoto's, or is theresome other type of inflammatory
mechanism going on?
And then of course there's theall iodine thing.
If it is true iodine deficiencyand you're actually getting
(05:38):
like a goiter type thing, thatshould be investigated too.
But generally I'm going to getprobably with a nodule.
I'm going to be going afterlike inflammation more than
anything and then trying tofigure out OK, is it Hashimoto's
or is it general inflammation?
Is there something else goingon elsewhere that's causing this
to come about, that sort ofthing, long before thinking
(06:00):
something more insidious whichis often overdiagnosed.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah.
So I think I think, yeah, Ithink you're right.
I think when we're talkingabout shrinking nodules, I'm
first thinking immuneinflammation and why is
something attacking that thyroid?
Is there some type of viralinfection that kind of
penetrated that tissue orsomething like that?
And then, kind of going fromthere underlying in the question
once again just me thinkingabout this patient, whoever this
(06:27):
may be like is, if you'relooking for a quick fix for any
thyroid, anything you reallyshouldn't be looking into
holistic.
And I think then that's where alot of people come in.
They like well, my friend goton thyroid medication.
I want to do it natural, sogive me the natural medication.
You know, I was like hold on asecond here.
It doesn't work that way.
If you want to address yourthyroid health naturally, then
(06:48):
you need to completely likerevisit the story of how did you
get here.
So shrinking a nodule is notjust, you know, take something,
but yeah, definitely things likeyou know, converting factors
like a selenium or zinc wouldhelp Definitely.
Selenium has great research ondecreasing TPO antibodies.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Just by itself it's glutathione, so I mean that
alone can be super helpful.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Correct and glutathione itself can help, but
I would much prefer selenium inthe thyroid in general.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, no, no, no.
Yeah.
That's kind of what I was justmeaning Like it's going to have
like a double effect.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah, I love it, I love it so yeah, so just
addressing immune inflammationis kind of like both what we're
saying there.
But, generally speaking, onceagain, find the inflammation
Somewhere in the body.
All right, best diet andlifestyle and we'll hit the sit
in the next one.
But best diet, lifestyle andsupport after thyroidectomy.
So we don't see these patientsas often, probably.
(07:44):
But what do you think, doc?
What should we do after we'vehad our thyroid removed?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I mean generally, if I have somebody along those
lines, it's they're stillfeeling pretty cruddy afterwards
, but usually it's just like alowectomy, not like the full
thing, right.
So best diet lifestyle I meanpaleo, if there is like if the
whole reason for it to beremoved was something similar to
Hashimoto's or something alongthose lines.
(08:12):
Of course, looking for foodintolerances, etc.
As we've previously discussedwith autoimmunity, but generally
speaking it's eating a wholefood, good paleo lifestyle and
having a subsequent lifestylekind of similar in the sense
that you're outside in nature,you're cleaning up the
environment, you're trying to be, you drink filtered water.
(08:34):
You're not drinking out of glassor plastic water bottles or
anything, you're drinking out ofglass or metal and just doing
your typical over a view of likenatural health lifestyle,
really like the way that I tryto live, the way that you try to
live, yes, an entire lifestylechange, which goes back to what
you were saying earlier, thatComing to a natural doctor,
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coming to a holistic doctor.
People do come in with thisexpectation that is somewhat
similar to medicine, westernmedicine, and they just want
that quick fix.
And it's like you don'tunderstand, like we don't
intervene in the body processes.
We work with nature and workingwith nature requires you to
actually meet it halfway.
(09:16):
That's not fully where youactually are working to better
your lifestyle, better your diet, better everything, so that
nature isn't necessarily beingcompounded or beat up or messed
up because of Eating junk food,going McDonald's and everything,
everything else.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, yeah for sure.
When I think about thatquestion, I think, okay, the
first thing that most people dois they have their thyroid moved
and they think that it's beentaken care of, and I Thought, oh
yeah, like you actually stillhave to discover the reason why
you needed a thyroid activity inthe first place.
The same goes for thegallbladder here.
The all-time already had mygallbladder removed.
How could I have a gallbladderproblem?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Well, you had a gallbladder.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
You just remove the symptom, right, you just remove
that symptom and cut it out ofyour life, but the problem is
still there, because the problemwas never the thyroid in most
thyroid ectomy cases.
You know, like we've talkedabout in the previous podcast,
primary thyroid disorders arevery rare.
Yeah, so then, so then, okay.
So that's the first thing is, Iwould say, like you still need
to figure out why you got sickin the first place.
(10:19):
The second thing I would say isnow you're on a medication for
life.
Usually.
I mean, if you're only having asmall portion removed, but say
you're having, you know, a largeportion of thyroid removed,
you're on medication for lifeand you don't have as much
thyroid glandular support ofyour natural ability.
I would say pay attention toyour dosages, pay attention to
your conversion.
So if you're just on like alevel of thyroxine, you just
(10:41):
have to work with your doctor tomake sure that you're checking
those regularly and you stillhave to support converting
organs.
You still have to get yourliver and your gut healthy in
order to do those things.
You still have to have Nutrientlevels intact to support the
adrenals so that they canfunction.
With your new lack of thyroid,which are gonna take a bigger
toll now because the thyroidcan't take the toll.
(11:02):
So once again, I think maybeyou think thyroid ectomy nothing
left to do.
Thyroid ectomy means now youhave more to do and that's that
if they communicated that beforethey removed the thyroid, or if
they gave you those optionsoriginally instead of waiting
until the time when you needed athyroid ectomy, then maybe
people would have taken morelifestyle changes.
But that's kind of where we runinto that problem.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
So, yeah, yeah, like a full hysterectomy.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah, I mentioned gallbladder, but the same would
be with hysterectomy, right, youhad thinking, because it
produces hormones just as muchas thyroid producing hormones.
Yeah, so.
So I was thinking, like youknow, you get, I don't know,
polycystic ovarian syndrome,pcos, or you have endometriosis,
and so they go and do something, maybe even completely removed.
I've seen 25 year olds withtheir entire uterus removed.
(11:49):
What a shame.
But point is now that that'sremoved, you you aren't done
with your problem.
You still got to go back andfix what you was wrong with in
first place and you have to nowbabysit it more than you've ever
babysitted it before and You'reactually in a worse spot
overall now.
You may not have the symptoms,which, trust me, I know people
want relief from that, but it'sit's.
They're stuck in a place nowwhere they actually have to
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definitely take care of theirhealth more.
That was their one chance.
It's gonna go to another organif you don't take care of your
health.
So it's just a matter offollowing up on those things.
I Think you covered overallgood practices to maintain a
healthy thyroid.
Really.
Diet, stress, nutrient levelsyeah, female hormones, adrenal
hormones and thyroid hormones.
Pay attention to all three ofthose and you'll be pretty good.
(12:33):
Any other thoughts on generalpractices for a healthy thyroid?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
The only other thing that pops in my mind was just
thinking about iodine.
I know you know there's thatsmall risk that iodine can
exacerbate a Hashimoto's casebut if you've done everything to
get that under control you'reeasy not going to have an issue
with iodine but having a goodliquid iodine, like I use isol
For a liquid one but just doinglike a small dab of it on your
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forearm and then watching it forsix hours and if it absorbs
before that you need iodinegenerally.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
All right, so review that test for them.
So this is essentially anat-home thyroid test, or, sorry,
I have iodine test you can do.
How do you do it in your office, or do you send patients home
with it?
My office, just because I?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
have a little liquid roller and so I just put it on
their arm.
Of course you, you want to havelike a paper towel there.
If you get a little bit toomuch because you don't want to
get it On your clothes, it'llstain your clothes, but uh yeah
just a small circle.
I mean we're talking about thesize of the quarter, uh and then
just kind of dab it so thatit's not like overly wet, and
then you just watch it for sixhours and if it absorbs like
(13:35):
it's completely gone in sixhours Without you obviously
washing it or something likethat, right, um, then that's a
good indication that you neediodine.
And then you might just want tosupplement with iodine, talk to
your doctor about iodine, thatsort of thing.
But I mean I don't give like ahigh dose or anything like that.
I think it's like 400micrograms or something.
I can't remember off the top ofmy head.
(13:56):
I use a couple of differentsources of iodine the isol I do,
one drop in a glass of water.
A day if they eat it.
Otherwise it's like for generalmaintenance, like one drop
every three days or somethinglike that.
But yeah, that's, that's justmy two cents there.
And iodine is huge, especiallyfor females, because it's a big
part of ovaries as well.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah.
So big thing on iodine is itdoes competitively we talked
about this in the podcast butlast podcast but it does
Competitively fight for spots oncells.
So I like that low dose, maybea drop every three days, pretty
much for almost everyone, andthen paying attention.
Obviously if you feel like yourthroat is itchier and flamed
and maybe that thyroid backthere Start having difficulty
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swallowing.
You might want to you know,work with a practitioner on that
but Salt does not count.
Yes, I, salt does not count,and so a lot of people do say
that, hey, I add salt to my, tomy food every day and honestly,
that doesn't count forelectrolytes either.
But we'll do that in adifferent podcast.
So, alright.
So how to heal thyroid and stayoff medications if diagnosed
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with hypothyroidism is the nextquestion.
Let me just say most I can'tthink of one right now the
patient that came in with anyreasonable level of thyroid
disorder that had to go on amedication in my office on If we
had enough time, meaning likethree to six months.
So I don't see it a lot wherewe have to get people on, but
(15:21):
essentially my thing is theyneed to take a step into getting
healthier Right away and itneeds to be aggressive.
They need to go all in ratherthan like oh well, you know, I
stopped eating McDonald's, but Ijust eat a healthy fast food
restaurants now, if that's athing, right.
So maybe that's not enough,right?
If you're having thyroidproblems and you really want to
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not be on a medication ever, yougot to go pretty hardcore at it
.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, and I I would agree.
I don't really have much elseto say other than what you just
said.
I mean, I think that goes thenext question too.
It's the same type of thing.
You got to get a healthylifestyle and you got to be Some
what, like you said aggressivein that approach.
You got to jump on it.
I mean, when we're dealing withpatients like it it's still
(16:11):
aggressive, even if it's acouple weeks, in that we're
pulling things off slowly, butwe're changing stuff, like
you're moving to whole food,good, good quality foods, you're
removing any of the things thatare inflammatory generally, but
then we're looking, looking forthe major food intolerance, and
so you got to remove all thosethings and you got to be
(16:34):
Constant, like people always askwell, can I bring gluten back
in it's?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
like, no, like.
Once this is done, it's donelike you're not going back.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Generally speaking, like maybe three years down the
road you can have some sourdoughorganic bread once without it
going nuts, but you can't justgo right back to that stuff.
It's done.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, it's.
It's unfortunate thatessentially oftentimes when our
thyroid disorders develop, itdoes mean that we're at a point
of health where it's going totake a long time to rebuild that
health.
And and same with energy.
People come in with energyproblems and, yes, while I have
home run cases, it's rare thatI'm going to tell someone, hey,
yeah, we can get you out of yourchronic fatigue in a day or two
.
You know, it's more like heyhope for six months and in a bad
(17:16):
case scenario You're more like12 months.
But slowly but surely, everyday you'll have a little bit
more energy.
The thyroid is going to be thesame way.
Slowly but surely your thyroidhealth will recover.
Once you start to eliminate theantibodies, once you start to
Get your lab normals in range,once your liver is clear, once
your guts better, once yourhormones are balanced, then your
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thyroid to start healing.
So I think those are prettyimportant ones there Root causes
of Hashimoto's, hypothyroidism,of non Hashimoto's, so
something that's not autoimmune.
So not food, not infection.
What do you think, doc?
So top of the list.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Generally that I see is blood sugar, but estrogen is
going to be up there too.
So we're going to have somehigh estrogen issues or just
hormonal what says, put itreally kind of general there,
hormonal problems, um,conversion issues aren't really
top of the list, but I mean I dosee them from time to time and
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then, um, stress, like kind ofgeneral stressors to the body,
what is are going to causehypothyroidism for sure, like
there's definitely some otherones, like I Saw relatively
recently somebody with lowdopamine and so because they had
a dopamine deficiency, they hadhypothyroidism.
That's coming one in, like thelast several years.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
But still, um, those are some of the big ones that I
would see in my office would behormones, blood sugar and then
like kind of general stress.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, so you could do like a secondary I'm thinking
secondary brain like uh, uh, youknow more like a pituitary
issue.
That's not reallyhypothyroidism, um, real.
So I guess the answer isquestion directly.
The answer is that nonHashimoto's hypothyroidism is
like Hashimoto's hypothyroidism,which is it's not really the
thyroid.
Um, so we can see it, it's.
It's another problem.
(19:05):
Um, when you were going throughthe different things that you
said, it's like I think thoseare all accurate that I think,
if you can look, go through yourlifestyle and figure out what's
the most chronic of those, youknow, have you been, have you
been eating bad for a long time?
Okay, well then, it's probablythat.
Have you had lifestyle stressfor a super long time?
Maybe a really bad marriage ora horrible job?
Um, if it's only been a monthor six months, okay, whatever,
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like the body can handle somestress.
But if, if you can go back inyour life and say like, hey,
this is really just worn me downover a long period of time,
that may be the guy that's kindof, uh, the the obvious one to
start doing things with.
I guess is is the way.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
I think that's why I would put estrogen and blood
sugar at the top of the list,because they're so stinking
common.
Yeah, you better think aboutthem first and then start going
on the other ones.
And that's just common Ingeneral practice.
It may not fit everyone.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Well, yeah, and if you think about, like, how long
as someone had insulin problems,well, how long have they been
gaining weight?
You know, years?
Take an estrogen issue how, howmany?
So obviously females have moreHashimoto's and thyroid
disorders, but how many of themsay their periods have been bad
since they were 12?
Yeah, team, half of them atleast.
You know so.
(20:16):
So it's like they've had thathormone imbalance.
Now let's get not necessarilytheir fault when they're 13
years old, right, and we have alot of girls in my office right
now going through differenttransitions and we're trying to
figure that out early, ratherthan when they're 35 and can't
figure out their patterns, orbefore the doctor tells them
Then they have to go in birthcontrol to control their
hormones.
So that's kind of aninteresting one there.
(20:39):
All right, how to reverseHashimoto's, I'm gonna refer
back to the last podcast.
So so, yeah, it's a greatquestion because reversing
Hashimoto's is important.
But, generally speaking, youknow all the things that he
mentioned in the last question.
And then, once those are allgood and once your thyroid has
the nutrients that it needs,you're addressing a little bit
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of inflammation, or immunedysregulation is a better word
Almost like resetting thatimmune system at the end.
So you have all these problems.
You have fix, then reset orcalm down the inflammation of
the immune system, balance itout, and that's what's gonna
kind of like Finally reverse theHashimoto's, or the tendency
towards it and then you justmanage flare-ups from there on,
like because we're all Humansand we're going to be affected
(21:25):
by something.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, I mean they're not that common, but a flare-up
can't happen.
So it's on the table and youjust you know that's where we,
as natural doctors, is likecoming for a checkup
periodically if you're feelinglike junk coming for a checkup,
otherwise, generally it's gonnabe pretty good.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, I mean I would say that for almost any
diagnosis.
If you actually have adiagnosis, you should probably
be working with someone.
If you're just like, hey, Ihave general malaise or fatigue,
okay, you can go at it byyourself, go off some of our
recommendations.
But if you know that you haveHashimoto's, elevated antibodies
, your time is limited.
I mean, your thyroid is gettingdestroyed every day, so you
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might as well do something andgo see a doctor so that you can
find someone that can help youstart getting on that story.
I know it's hard to find gooddoctors.
You can always reach out to us.
We do our best to find peoplefor you, but it is hard.
I mean we can't find anexcellent doctor in every city,
hence why we both still offerphone consultations.
Yep, all right.
(22:25):
Last question of the day, onceyou divide it into three how do
heavy metals, parasites andcandida affect the thyroid?
You want to choose any one ofthose doc.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Let's go to candida.
I Mean we see it so stickingoff and I mean it's gonna kind
of apply for everything.
Like generally speaking, you'regoing to see two major avenues
going towards autoimmunity in asense, because that's what I'm
gonna look at with these three.
I'm gonna think autoimmune yeah, if that's on the table.
Obviously, having a candidainfection or any infections
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going to cause you to feel kindof malaise, like that fatigue,
you're not gonna feel very goodand your thyroid is gonna have a
secondary effect they're aheavy metals, probably even to.
But I'm gonna go from Aautoimmune standpoint that with
candida or any of these types ofthings, you're going to end up
with most likely, whether fromit or something else leaky gut,
(23:24):
and with leaky gut you're gonnawind up with inflammation that
is gonna turn systemic.
And then you can run into whatwe've talked about before
molecular mimicry, where yourbody is going to not mistake but
broaden its search for thisforeign substance, so Candida,
so this fungi, and then it'sgoing to end up attacking the
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thyroid in the process of tryingto get rid of this issue.
And with that then you got someautoimmune issue stemming from
a fungus that needs to beeradicated.
Once it's eradicated, immunesystems bounce, things go back
to normal and like you see thatwith other infections, like I
wrote an article on my websiteabout H pylori a case study on H
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pylori causing alopecia ariataso an autoimmune that causes you
to lose your hair and I thinkthat's gonna probably apply to
the other ones too.
What you wanna say about it?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, no, I think you covered them in general.
I mean, we're not gonna do awhole podcast on heavy metals
and parasites right now or onyeast infections, but I think
when it goes to that autoimmunedisease, one thing for people
need to know is it does includeall tissue destruction.
It's not just your thyroidthat's getting damaged.
Your thyroid is your screamer,it's the guy that's talking the
loudest in the room, and that'swhy I like to actually lab test
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for thyroid so often.
Even if you don't have a thyroidproblem, if it starts to get
mildly off, I can say, hey,there's some some type of
inflammation or other systemthat's going wrong and we wanna
make sure that that whole systemis good.
If you've got like I said, ifyou're like 45 years old and
think you have arthritis, I meanyou probably have tissue
destruction everywhere.
If you're 35 years old, afemale, and have Hashimoto's,
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it's not just your thyroidthat's getting damaged.
There's a lot of inflammationin the system, now more towards
the thyroid.
But the old saying in differentautoimmune courses that we've
probably both taken is simplythat you get one autoimmune
disease, you get threeautoimmune diseases, and so it's
.
And so, while I like thatstatement because it brings the
awareness to patients.
(25:27):
The reality is you only getthree if you don't take care of
the first one.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Correct, so take your thyroid.
I was liking it If I wanted toscare somebody to like a pack of
wolves, and each wolfrepresents a different
autoimmune, so it's only amatter of time.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, but obviously if you take care of the leader
or the wolf or the pack, theleader of the pack, the wolf
kind of pack kind of dissipatesor goes somewhere else or feels,
in that analogy feelsintimidated.
But yeah, that's the story islike.
If your thyroid antibodies arehigh and you get those to go
down and you feel great, it'snot like you need to develop a
new autoimmune disease everyweek if you feel great, but it's
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when you don't feel great andyou let that perpetuate that
your health goes downhill.
So, once again, just myencouragement for you to go and
take care of your health thoselistening to the podcast and
make sure that they are findinga doctor they can work with.
That is truly holistic, notjust someone that will write you
a script.
I get that phone call every day.
I probably get that call fivetimes a week.
Hey, I need to refill myprescription.
(26:26):
Will you guys do that for me?
I saw that you treat thyroid inyour office and it's like, oh,
actually we won't do that foryou and we don't want to do that
for you, though we do realizethat some people are on their
medications already.
In fact, probably 50% of womenlistening to this podcast are
gonna be on a medication and, asI said in last podcast, the
goal one is to feel good on yourmedication.
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Then we can decide if you canwork with a practitioner and get
off your medication.
That's a whole differentprocess than getting you to
where you're functioning welland then once again getting off
of.
It depends on how long you'vebeen taking that drug.
All right.
Any final thoughts on thethyroid today, doc?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I don't know.
I think we wrapped it up prettywell.
I mean, this is the thyroid.
It's important to deal with it.
It's important to live healthy,good lifestyle.
So that's just gonna be ageneral course of action that
we're gonna take with everyonecoming in.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Great.
So, like I said, both Dr GabeandI are offering phone
consultations right now and thenyou can find us on Instagram
and that's where we got allthese questions from.
So we'll do these podcastsevery couple of weeks and we are
gonna ask you guys whatquestions do you have?
The harder the question, thebetter, because those are the
ones that don't get answered.
We don't want to regurgitatethe information that's online
(27:35):
there and hopefully we saidsomething today that irritates
you, aggravates you or, evenbetter, makes you think a little
bit about your thyroid andmakes you take some action to
get healthier.
But we will see you guys nextweek on the next podcast and
find us on Instagram to ask somemore questions.
Thanks, doc Yep take care.
Welcome to the Functional Medicine and Natural
Healing Podcast, where we sharethe secrets to upgrade your
digestion, improve your hormones, restore your immune system and
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I'm your host, dr HoustonAnderson.
Now let's get started.
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It is not intended to diagnoseor treat any disease or disease
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Please discuss any medicaltreatments or medical
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All right guys, welcome back tothe podcast.
I'm Dr Houston Anderson and I'mhere with Dr Gabe and today
we're going to answer yourquestions that you submitted on
Instagram on essentially thyroid.
So some of these are alwaysalways they get interesting.
(00:46):
But we'll see what we can dohere and we'll just jump right
to it so you guys don't have towaste any time.
And I think the first questionis probably the most applicable
to the last podcast, where weshould definitely review some of
those things.
But the question is why does T3and T4 not convert or is not
improving when the TSH is normal?
So can you give me a couplescenarios, doc, where that might
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be a scenario that you couldsee in your office?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So I think that goes back to just conversion issues
in general, so it has nothing todo with the thyroid itself.
It's like the liver, the gut,the periphery.
Something's going on there.
So whether it's reverse T3problems where I mean generally
it's inflammation, things ofthat sort that's causing reverse
T3 to be an issue or we'relooking at just general
(01:32):
conversion issues, so like needfor zinc or selenium or
something like that.
Now, of course, there's someother things that could be
affecting it, especially likewhat do you mean by TSH being
optimal?
Yeah, because I've heard like Iwas listening to one functional
medicine doctor and he saidanything above, I think 0.25 or
0.5.
(01:52):
And I was like that's low.
That's actually low.
You need it above 1.8 becausewe forget that anything below
1.8 generally is like bloodsugar or something else is
messing with the thyroid andthen you're going to end up with
some hypothyroid type symptoms.
Tsh is not jacking up and goinghigh.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
That's interesting, yeah, so the only caveat I find
is like when people aremedicating, it seems like their
TSH should be a little bit lowerin order to get quote unquote
the hit or the effect from thedrug, because obviously we know
the drug is not going to doexactly what the body does by
itself.
So sometimes I'll see that.
Yeah, because I do tell peopleone to three is a solid range if
(02:33):
you're just struggling withthyroid things Though I'm not
saying it's perfectly optimaland in fact I really struggle
with saying numbers exactly butI do like that you say when it
gets too low, we have otherproblems that we're dealing with
.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Right, Yep, yep, and we have to ask all those
questions too.
It's just like we don't knowfor sure which one it is Right
and, like you said, one to three, I'm fine with that range too,
if the person is feeling okay,right and there's no other
issues showing up.
But, generally speaking, if Isee it before low 1.8 and then
(03:05):
they're complaining of differentthyroid type symptoms and I'm
like, okay, we need toinvestigate that.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah, If I look into that question and I kind of
think, like what was this persontrying to ask?
And once again I don't evenknow who the questions are
coming from and I actually trynot to worry about who they came
from.
That way I give an answerthat's applicable to all people.
But it almost makes me wonderare we being too crazy about our
T3 and T4?
When the TSH is normal?
So let's just say your TSH is abeautiful 2.0.
(03:33):
And then your doctor's like, ohyeah, but your T3 is not
optimal, so they might start tomedicate you.
So my biggest thing there andwhen I'm saying medicate you,
these are like holistic doctorsthat are a little bit too into
medicating for thyroidmedications.
And so my thought is this yeah,if your TSH is normal or in an
optimal range worse, thrown outnumbers like one to three, if
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you feel well and your T3 and T4are off, what you're looking at
is just, like you said, theperiphery.
Go and attack some other healthproblems, see if it normalizes,
but don't mess with the thyroidtoo much.
Make sure your liver feels good, Make sure your digestion is
working well, Make sure that youdon't have systemic
inflammation, like you said,sometimes an immune disorder
that we use like oh man, all myjoints ache all the time or
(04:18):
something like that no othersigns or symptoms of
inflammation.
And then come back and retestthat T3 and T4 and you'll find
that if you fix those problems,usually it comes right in the
range that you're looking for.
So what you're saying is weshould be actually holistic,
yeah so yeah, we shouldn'tprescribe just because we have a
thyroid in our body.
(04:38):
Okay, so cool.
So let's go to the next one,because this is a pretty good
question.
It says how do you shrink yourthyroid nodule on the right side
specifically, but I think itapplies to both sides.
But how would you shrink athyroid nodule, doc.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
So it's kind of interesting.
In the last couple of weeksI've had a few Hashimoto's cases
that have popped up and each ofthem were complaining initially
of like a goiter, so just anenlarged thyroid.
Okay, like knowing the historyof the family and stuff like
that.
I was like we need to run thesetests, we need to know for sure
(05:16):
and sure enough, hashimoto's.
So really we got to figure outwhat's going on in the first
place.
Do we have some inflammation,do we have something related to
like Hashimoto's, or is theresome other type of inflammatory
mechanism going on?
And then of course there's theall iodine thing.
If it is true iodine deficiencyand you're actually getting
(05:38):
like a goiter type thing, thatshould be investigated too.
But generally I'm going to getprobably with a nodule.
I'm going to be going afterlike inflammation more than
anything and then trying tofigure out OK, is it Hashimoto's
or is it general inflammation?
Is there something else goingon elsewhere that's causing this
to come about, that sort ofthing, long before thinking
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something more insidious whichis often overdiagnosed.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah.
So I think I think, yeah, Ithink you're right.
I think when we're talkingabout shrinking nodules, I'm
first thinking immuneinflammation and why is
something attacking that thyroid?
Is there some type of viralinfection that kind of
penetrated that tissue orsomething like that?
And then, kind of going fromthere underlying in the question
once again just me thinkingabout this patient, whoever this
(06:27):
may be like is, if you'relooking for a quick fix for any
thyroid, anything you reallyshouldn't be looking into
holistic.
And I think then that's where alot of people come in.
They like well, my friend goton thyroid medication.
I want to do it natural, sogive me the natural medication.
You know, I was like hold on asecond here.
It doesn't work that way.
If you want to address yourthyroid health naturally, then
(06:48):
you need to completely likerevisit the story of how did you
get here.
So shrinking a nodule is notjust, you know, take something,
but yeah, definitely things likeyou know, converting factors
like a selenium or zinc wouldhelp Definitely.
Selenium has great research ondecreasing TPO antibodies.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Just by itself it's glutathione, so I mean that
alone can be super helpful.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Correct and glutathione itself can help, but
I would much prefer selenium inthe thyroid in general.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, no, no, no.
Yeah.
That's kind of what I was justmeaning Like it's going to have
like a double effect.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah, I love it, I love it so yeah, so just
addressing immune inflammationis kind of like both what we're
saying there.
But, generally speaking, onceagain, find the inflammation
Somewhere in the body.
All right, best diet andlifestyle and we'll hit the sit
in the next one.
But best diet, lifestyle andsupport after thyroidectomy.
So we don't see these patientsas often, probably.
(07:44):
But what do you think, doc?
What should we do after we'vehad our thyroid removed?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I mean generally, if I have somebody along those
lines, it's they're stillfeeling pretty cruddy afterwards
, but usually it's just like alowectomy, not like the full
thing, right.
So best diet lifestyle I meanpaleo, if there is like if the
whole reason for it to beremoved was something similar to
Hashimoto's or something alongthose lines.
(08:12):
Of course, looking for foodintolerances, etc.
As we've previously discussedwith autoimmunity, but generally
speaking it's eating a wholefood, good paleo lifestyle and
having a subsequent lifestylekind of similar in the sense
that you're outside in nature,you're cleaning up the
environment, you're trying to be, you drink filtered water.
(08:34):
You're not drinking out of glassor plastic water bottles or
anything, you're drinking out ofglass or metal and just doing
your typical over a view of likenatural health lifestyle,
really like the way that I tryto live, the way that you try to
live, yes, an entire lifestylechange, which goes back to what
you were saying earlier, thatComing to a natural doctor,
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coming to a holistic doctor.
People do come in with thisexpectation that is somewhat
similar to medicine, westernmedicine, and they just want
that quick fix.
And it's like you don'tunderstand, like we don't
intervene in the body processes.
We work with nature and workingwith nature requires you to
actually meet it halfway.
(09:16):
That's not fully where youactually are working to better
your lifestyle, better your diet, better everything, so that
nature isn't necessarily beingcompounded or beat up or messed
up because of Eating junk food,going McDonald's and everything,
everything else.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, yeah for sure.
When I think about thatquestion, I think, okay, the
first thing that most people dois they have their thyroid moved
and they think that it's beentaken care of, and I Thought, oh
yeah, like you actually stillhave to discover the reason why
you needed a thyroid activity inthe first place.
The same goes for thegallbladder here.
The all-time already had mygallbladder removed.
How could I have a gallbladderproblem?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Well, you had a gallbladder.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
You just remove the symptom, right, you just remove
that symptom and cut it out ofyour life, but the problem is
still there, because the problemwas never the thyroid in most
thyroid ectomy cases.
You know, like we've talkedabout in the previous podcast,
primary thyroid disorders arevery rare.
Yeah, so then, so then, okay.
So that's the first thing is, Iwould say, like you still need
to figure out why you got sickin the first place.
(10:19):
The second thing I would say isnow you're on a medication for
life.
Usually.
I mean, if you're only having asmall portion removed, but say
you're having, you know, a largeportion of thyroid removed,
you're on medication for lifeand you don't have as much
thyroid glandular support ofyour natural ability.
I would say pay attention toyour dosages, pay attention to
your conversion.
So if you're just on like alevel of thyroxine, you just
(10:41):
have to work with your doctor tomake sure that you're checking
those regularly and you stillhave to support converting
organs.
You still have to get yourliver and your gut healthy in
order to do those things.
You still have to have Nutrientlevels intact to support the
adrenals so that they canfunction.
With your new lack of thyroid,which are gonna take a bigger
toll now because the thyroidcan't take the toll.
(11:02):
So once again, I think maybeyou think thyroid ectomy nothing
left to do.
Thyroid ectomy means now youhave more to do and that's that
if they communicated that beforethey removed the thyroid, or if
they gave you those optionsoriginally instead of waiting
until the time when you needed athyroid ectomy, then maybe
people would have taken morelifestyle changes.
But that's kind of where we runinto that problem.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
So, yeah, yeah, like a full hysterectomy.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah, I mentioned gallbladder, but the same would
be with hysterectomy, right, youhad thinking, because it
produces hormones just as muchas thyroid producing hormones.
Yeah, so.
So I was thinking, like youknow, you get, I don't know,
polycystic ovarian syndrome,pcos, or you have endometriosis,
and so they go and do something, maybe even completely removed.
I've seen 25 year olds withtheir entire uterus removed.
(11:49):
What a shame.
But point is now that that'sremoved, you you aren't done
with your problem.
You still got to go back andfix what you was wrong with in
first place and you have to nowbabysit it more than you've ever
babysitted it before and You'reactually in a worse spot
overall now.
You may not have the symptoms,which, trust me, I know people
want relief from that, but it'sit's.
They're stuck in a place nowwhere they actually have to
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definitely take care of theirhealth more.
That was their one chance.
It's gonna go to another organif you don't take care of your
health.
So it's just a matter offollowing up on those things.
I Think you covered overallgood practices to maintain a
healthy thyroid.
Really.
Diet, stress, nutrient levelsyeah, female hormones, adrenal
hormones and thyroid hormones.
Pay attention to all three ofthose and you'll be pretty good.
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Any other thoughts on generalpractices for a healthy thyroid?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
The only other thing that pops in my mind was just
thinking about iodine.
I know you know there's thatsmall risk that iodine can
exacerbate a Hashimoto's casebut if you've done everything to
get that under control you'reeasy not going to have an issue
with iodine but having a goodliquid iodine, like I use isol
For a liquid one but just doinglike a small dab of it on your
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forearm and then watching it forsix hours and if it absorbs
before that you need iodinegenerally.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
All right, so review that test for them.
So this is essentially anat-home thyroid test, or, sorry,
I have iodine test you can do.
How do you do it in your office, or do you send patients home
with it?
My office, just because I?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
have a little liquid roller and so I just put it on
their arm.
Of course you, you want to havelike a paper towel there.
If you get a little bit toomuch because you don't want to
get it On your clothes, it'llstain your clothes, but uh yeah
just a small circle.
I mean we're talking about thesize of the quarter, uh and then
just kind of dab it so thatit's not like overly wet, and
then you just watch it for sixhours and if it absorbs like
(13:35):
it's completely gone in sixhours Without you obviously
washing it or something likethat, right, um, then that's a
good indication that you neediodine.
And then you might just want tosupplement with iodine, talk to
your doctor about iodine, thatsort of thing.
But I mean I don't give like ahigh dose or anything like that.
I think it's like 400micrograms or something.
I can't remember off the top ofmy head.
(13:56):
I use a couple of differentsources of iodine the isol I do,
one drop in a glass of water.
A day if they eat it.
Otherwise it's like for generalmaintenance, like one drop
every three days or somethinglike that.
But yeah, that's, that's justmy two cents there.
And iodine is huge, especiallyfor females, because it's a big
part of ovaries as well.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah.
So big thing on iodine is itdoes competitively we talked
about this in the podcast butlast podcast but it does
Competitively fight for spots oncells.
So I like that low dose, maybea drop every three days, pretty
much for almost everyone, andthen paying attention.
Obviously if you feel like yourthroat is itchier and flamed
and maybe that thyroid backthere Start having difficulty
(14:38):
swallowing.
You might want to you know,work with a practitioner on that
but Salt does not count.
Yes, I, salt does not count,and so a lot of people do say
that, hey, I add salt to my, tomy food every day and honestly,
that doesn't count forelectrolytes either.
But we'll do that in adifferent podcast.
So, alright.
So how to heal thyroid and stayoff medications if diagnosed
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with hypothyroidism is the nextquestion.
Let me just say most I can'tthink of one right now the
patient that came in with anyreasonable level of thyroid
disorder that had to go on amedication in my office on If we
had enough time, meaning likethree to six months.
So I don't see it a lot wherewe have to get people on, but
(15:21):
essentially my thing is theyneed to take a step into getting
healthier Right away and itneeds to be aggressive.
They need to go all in ratherthan like oh well, you know, I
stopped eating McDonald's, but Ijust eat a healthy fast food
restaurants now, if that's athing, right.
So maybe that's not enough,right?
If you're having thyroidproblems and you really want to
(15:43):
not be on a medication ever, yougot to go pretty hardcore at it
.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, and I I would agree.
I don't really have much elseto say other than what you just
said.
I mean, I think that goes thenext question too.
It's the same type of thing.
You got to get a healthylifestyle and you got to be Some
what, like you said aggressivein that approach.
You got to jump on it.
I mean, when we're dealing withpatients like it it's still
(16:11):
aggressive, even if it's acouple weeks, in that we're
pulling things off slowly, butwe're changing stuff, like
you're moving to whole food,good, good quality foods, you're
removing any of the things thatare inflammatory generally, but
then we're looking, looking forthe major food intolerance, and
so you got to remove all thosethings and you got to be
(16:34):
Constant, like people always askwell, can I bring gluten back
in it's?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
like, no, like.
Once this is done, it's donelike you're not going back.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Generally speaking, like maybe three years down the
road you can have some sourdoughorganic bread once without it
going nuts, but you can't justgo right back to that stuff.
It's done.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, it's.
It's unfortunate thatessentially oftentimes when our
thyroid disorders develop, itdoes mean that we're at a point
of health where it's going totake a long time to rebuild that
health.
And and same with energy.
People come in with energyproblems and, yes, while I have
home run cases, it's rare thatI'm going to tell someone, hey,
yeah, we can get you out of yourchronic fatigue in a day or two
.
You know, it's more like heyhope for six months and in a bad
(17:16):
case scenario You're more like12 months.
But slowly but surely, everyday you'll have a little bit
more energy.
The thyroid is going to be thesame way.
Slowly but surely your thyroidhealth will recover.
Once you start to eliminate theantibodies, once you start to
Get your lab normals in range,once your liver is clear, once
your guts better, once yourhormones are balanced, then your
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thyroid to start healing.
So I think those are prettyimportant ones there Root causes
of Hashimoto's, hypothyroidism,of non Hashimoto's, so
something that's not autoimmune.
So not food, not infection.
What do you think, doc?
So top of the list.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Generally that I see is blood sugar, but estrogen is
going to be up there too.
So we're going to have somehigh estrogen issues or just
hormonal what says, put itreally kind of general there,
hormonal problems, um,conversion issues aren't really
top of the list, but I mean I dosee them from time to time and
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then, um, stress, like kind ofgeneral stressors to the body,
what is are going to causehypothyroidism for sure, like
there's definitely some otherones, like I Saw relatively
recently somebody with lowdopamine and so because they had
a dopamine deficiency, they hadhypothyroidism.
That's coming one in, like thelast several years.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
But still, um, those are some of the big ones that I
would see in my office would behormones, blood sugar and then
like kind of general stress.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, so you could do like a secondary I'm thinking
secondary brain like uh, uh, youknow more like a pituitary
issue.
That's not reallyhypothyroidism, um, real.
So I guess the answer isquestion directly.
The answer is that nonHashimoto's hypothyroidism is
like Hashimoto's hypothyroidism,which is it's not really the
thyroid.
Um, so we can see it, it's.
It's another problem.
(19:05):
Um, when you were going throughthe different things that you
said, it's like I think thoseare all accurate that I think,
if you can look, go through yourlifestyle and figure out what's
the most chronic of those, youknow, have you been, have you
been eating bad for a long time?
Okay, well then, it's probablythat.
Have you had lifestyle stressfor a super long time?
Maybe a really bad marriage ora horrible job?
Um, if it's only been a monthor six months, okay, whatever,
(19:28):
like the body can handle somestress.
But if, if you can go back inyour life and say like, hey,
this is really just worn me downover a long period of time,
that may be the guy that's kindof, uh, the the obvious one to
start doing things with.
I guess is is the way.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
I think that's why I would put estrogen and blood
sugar at the top of the list,because they're so stinking
common.
Yeah, you better think aboutthem first and then start going
on the other ones.
And that's just common Ingeneral practice.
It may not fit everyone.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Well, yeah, and if you think about, like, how long
as someone had insulin problems,well, how long have they been
gaining weight?
You know, years?
Take an estrogen issue how, howmany?
So obviously females have moreHashimoto's and thyroid
disorders, but how many of themsay their periods have been bad
since they were 12?
Yeah, team, half of them atleast.
You know so.
(20:16):
So it's like they've had thathormone imbalance.
Now let's get not necessarilytheir fault when they're 13
years old, right, and we have alot of girls in my office right
now going through differenttransitions and we're trying to
figure that out early, ratherthan when they're 35 and can't
figure out their patterns, orbefore the doctor tells them
Then they have to go in birthcontrol to control their
hormones.
So that's kind of aninteresting one there.
(20:39):
All right, how to reverseHashimoto's, I'm gonna refer
back to the last podcast.
So so, yeah, it's a greatquestion because reversing
Hashimoto's is important.
But, generally speaking, youknow all the things that he
mentioned in the last question.
And then, once those are allgood and once your thyroid has
the nutrients that it needs,you're addressing a little bit
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of inflammation, or immunedysregulation is a better word
Almost like resetting thatimmune system at the end.
So you have all these problems.
You have fix, then reset orcalm down the inflammation of
the immune system, balance itout, and that's what's gonna
kind of like Finally reverse theHashimoto's, or the tendency
towards it and then you justmanage flare-ups from there on,
like because we're all Humansand we're going to be affected
(21:25):
by something.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, I mean they're not that common, but a flare-up
can't happen.
So it's on the table and youjust you know that's where we,
as natural doctors, is likecoming for a checkup
periodically if you're feelinglike junk coming for a checkup,
otherwise, generally it's gonnabe pretty good.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, I mean I would say that for almost any
diagnosis.
If you actually have adiagnosis, you should probably
be working with someone.
If you're just like, hey, Ihave general malaise or fatigue,
okay, you can go at it byyourself, go off some of our
recommendations.
But if you know that you haveHashimoto's, elevated antibodies
, your time is limited.
I mean, your thyroid is gettingdestroyed every day, so you
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might as well do something andgo see a doctor so that you can
find someone that can help youstart getting on that story.
I know it's hard to find gooddoctors.
You can always reach out to us.
We do our best to find peoplefor you, but it is hard.
I mean we can't find anexcellent doctor in every city,
hence why we both still offerphone consultations.
Yep, all right.
(22:25):
Last question of the day, onceyou divide it into three how do
heavy metals, parasites andcandida affect the thyroid?
You want to choose any one ofthose doc.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Let's go to candida.
I Mean we see it so stickingoff and I mean it's gonna kind
of apply for everything.
Like generally speaking, you'regoing to see two major avenues
going towards autoimmunity in asense, because that's what I'm
gonna look at with these three.
I'm gonna think autoimmune yeah, if that's on the table.
Obviously, having a candidainfection or any infections
(23:00):
going to cause you to feel kindof malaise, like that fatigue,
you're not gonna feel very goodand your thyroid is gonna have a
secondary effect they're aheavy metals, probably even to.
But I'm gonna go from Aautoimmune standpoint that with
candida or any of these types ofthings, you're going to end up
with most likely, whether fromit or something else leaky gut,
(23:24):
and with leaky gut you're gonnawind up with inflammation that
is gonna turn systemic.
And then you can run into whatwe've talked about before
molecular mimicry, where yourbody is going to not mistake but
broaden its search for thisforeign substance, so Candida,
so this fungi, and then it'sgoing to end up attacking the
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thyroid in the process of tryingto get rid of this issue.
And with that then you got someautoimmune issue stemming from
a fungus that needs to beeradicated.
Once it's eradicated, immunesystems bounce, things go back
to normal and like you see thatwith other infections, like I
wrote an article on my websiteabout H pylori a case study on H
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pylori causing alopecia ariataso an autoimmune that causes you
to lose your hair and I thinkthat's gonna probably apply to
the other ones too.
What you wanna say about it?
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, no, I think you covered them in general.
I mean, we're not gonna do awhole podcast on heavy metals
and parasites right now or onyeast infections, but I think
when it goes to that autoimmunedisease, one thing for people
need to know is it does includeall tissue destruction.
It's not just your thyroidthat's getting damaged.
Your thyroid is your screamer,it's the guy that's talking the
loudest in the room, and that'swhy I like to actually lab test
(24:44):
for thyroid so often.
Even if you don't have a thyroidproblem, if it starts to get
mildly off, I can say, hey,there's some some type of
inflammation or other systemthat's going wrong and we wanna
make sure that that whole systemis good.
If you've got like I said, ifyou're like 45 years old and
think you have arthritis, I meanyou probably have tissue
destruction everywhere.
If you're 35 years old, afemale, and have Hashimoto's,
(25:07):
it's not just your thyroidthat's getting damaged.
There's a lot of inflammationin the system, now more towards
the thyroid.
But the old saying in differentautoimmune courses that we've
probably both taken is simplythat you get one autoimmune
disease, you get threeautoimmune diseases, and so it's
.
And so, while I like thatstatement because it brings the
awareness to patients.
(25:27):
The reality is you only getthree if you don't take care of
the first one.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Correct, so take your thyroid.
I was liking it If I wanted toscare somebody to like a pack of
wolves, and each wolfrepresents a different
autoimmune, so it's only amatter of time.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, but obviously if you take care of the leader
or the wolf or the pack, theleader of the pack, the wolf
kind of pack kind of dissipatesor goes somewhere else or feels,
in that analogy feelsintimidated.
But yeah, that's the story islike.
If your thyroid antibodies arehigh and you get those to go
down and you feel great, it'snot like you need to develop a
new autoimmune disease everyweek if you feel great, but it's
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when you don't feel great andyou let that perpetuate that
your health goes downhill.
So, once again, just myencouragement for you to go and
take care of your health thoselistening to the podcast and
make sure that they are findinga doctor they can work with.
That is truly holistic, notjust someone that will write you
a script.
I get that phone call every day.
I probably get that call fivetimes a week.
Hey, I need to refill myprescription.
(26:26):
Will you guys do that for me?
I saw that you treat thyroid inyour office and it's like, oh,
actually we won't do that foryou and we don't want to do that
for you, though we do realizethat some people are on their
medications already.
In fact, probably 50% of womenlistening to this podcast are
gonna be on a medication and, asI said in last podcast, the
goal one is to feel good on yourmedication.
(26:46):
Then we can decide if you canwork with a practitioner and get
off your medication.
That's a whole differentprocess than getting you to
where you're functioning welland then once again getting off
of.
It depends on how long you'vebeen taking that drug.
All right.
Any final thoughts on thethyroid today, doc?
Speaker 2 (27:01):
I don't know.
I think we wrapped it up prettywell.
I mean, this is the thyroid.
It's important to deal with it.
It's important to live healthy,good lifestyle.
So that's just gonna be ageneral course of action that
we're gonna take with everyonecoming in.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Great.
So, like I said, both Dr GabeandI are offering phone
consultations right now and thenyou can find us on Instagram
and that's where we got allthese questions from.
So we'll do these podcastsevery couple of weeks and we are
gonna ask you guys whatquestions do you have?
The harder the question, thebetter, because those are the
ones that don't get answered.
We don't want to regurgitatethe information that's online
(27:35):
there and hopefully we saidsomething today that irritates
you, aggravates you or, evenbetter, makes you think a little
bit about your thyroid andmakes you take some action to
get healthier.
But we will see you guys nextweek on the next podcast and
find us on Instagram to ask somemore questions.
Thanks, doc Yep take care.
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